Liverpool Banter Archive January 22 2012

 

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22 Jan 2012 23:23:55
Hey eds

Just want to say am a follower of the site this two years and can I just say this past few months it seems to have gone down hill and not the eds...
We seem to have some idiots who think because the papers mention a player name and luc in the same page we have him signed are that lad rodes scores and he is the next Messi and some lad even said we are swapping big Andy for him. ThesE people need to KOP on..


 

 

22 Jan 2012 23:17:10
That joao texiera, I thinks hes good enough to go into the first team. I watched him and his sporting lisbon demolish us in the next gen series hes a class act kinda similar to are suso!

ACHILLES.


"are suso"?
Was that meant to be "our Suso"?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 23:16:09
ed do you think money is ruining the game?DORSET RED {Ed001's Note - it ruined the game the day the Premier League was created.}


I'm with ed001, it has even ruined the point of view of a lot of supporters, even they are looking at the most financially viable options rather than showing their support. But more importantly at the highest level, we've seen loyalty, pride and passion become a rare commodity with players, managers and owners. We should consider ourselves lucky to have "most" of our supporters showing their passion and loyalty(number's declining), and we should be happy to see a few players and a manager that loves the club more than the money they're being paid to be there.

P.S, this partly explains the british player policy, once we find the right players, they will give their heart and soul for the club, rather than the mercenaries looking to give their career a leg up. Yes, the money has made english players very expensive, but i hardly think that's the fault of LFC.

So finally, to answer your question, yes, on many levels the game has been raped by the money invovled, we're seeing this now as we try to build a club based on loyalty and pride, not the City/Chelsea way.

Red7.


You only need to read this site to see how money has negatively affected the game - people moaning about Carroll because he cost 35m as if that is supposed to guarantee 20 goals a season.

cozinoz


They moan about caroll because he is a poor player , we signed him because he looked good against us even terry mac who helped train him at newcastle said he was like bambi.


Is it possible to put in the terms of sale when we buy players, that the selling club may not disclose the selling price, and that we will not disclose what we've paid??

If the punters don't know what the players cost it could really help ease the pressure on players and staff alike.

Red7. {Ed002's Note - Not any more. All transfer costs have to be declared and will be recorded on a UEFA maintained database.}


Well that's no good...

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 23:12:21
quick question for you all, if you had over £100 million to spend would you have brought downing,carroll, henderson and charlie adam? click agree if you wouldn't and disagree if you would.RedTurk


They all cost total of 78m so who would you of got for that redturk?name those players who would of joined on low wages and no europe.so 4 players.DORSET RED


They only cost 78 million, but the answer is obviously a no. If it does go pear-shaped and Kenny is sacked at some point, it will be his poor signings that would have cost him.

Ash


I would of bought Hendo and Adam , never rated Downing however I think Carroll was a strewed buy because of how well he was playing and the potential which hasn't paid off unfortunately, hindsight would be a brilliant thing.


Turan - LW £11m
Falcao - ST £34m
Parker - CDM £5m
Hazard - RW £35m
Sinclair - LW £8m
crouch - ST £7m

Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Lucas
Hazard Suarez Turan
Falcao

Doni
Johnson Carra Coates Robinson
Parker Spearing
Sterling Suso Sinclair
Crouch

would do a damm sight better than what we have now..

BigD


Well if you want my answer, go and have a look at the few cheap french players newcastle brought in, who dalglish had an option of through comolli but refused. I would bought mousa sissoko (charlie adam) instead of downing (arda turan, perotti, ramirez, munain,mata, granero, navas, honda, boudebouz,griezmann, eduardo salvio, adem ljajic, hoillett etc. instead of henderson (lucas,coutinho,mario gotze, christian eriksen,miralem pjanic, nuri sahin, yohan cobaye, honda, etc.) instead of andy carroll (ill leave this to you guys, this is the easiest especially when you have 35mil to spend.)RedTurk


We bid 25mil for Jones and offered higher wages than ManU.....Still he preferred ManU........

Learn to respect the shirt and the players who wear the shirt...

Your views are a disgrace Red Turk.....

Its a disgrace that King Kenny's good work is being slammed by the club fans...

Fans like you believe the farce by the media and link money with success on the field....

Grow Up

LiverBird


And you would be costing LFC a ridiculous amount in annual wages, redturkey, without any guarantee of success.

cozinoz {Ed016's Note - The simple flaw in his argument is the wage budget. remember it was very tight due to deadwood, still is deadwood}


And Kenny has signed more deadwood to compound the problem, nice one Kenny.


Kenny has just added 3 more players to that deadwood list. U dont need to be a genius to guess those 3 players.
Indian Buzzer


Moan moan moan


Henderson yes - he has good potential & £16m could still turn out to be a bargain.
Carroll yes - but not for £35m, I'd have gone to £20m maximum.
Downing no - now that was a panic buy!
Adam - for £6.5m he seemed a bargain but that looks dodgy now.
Coates yes.
Enrique i'd have been 50 - 50 on but for £7m probably yes.
Doni - no.
Bellamy - i was underwhelmed at his signing but how well he has done.
So i'd have spent £37m approx.
I'd have gone out & spent the remainder on two forwards & two wingers.
Llorente at £30m & a young striker (Wickham perhaps) £10m.
Wingers - Duff (impact sub) at £3m & maybe Shaquiri at £12m.
£8m left over i believe.
RedTurk, take no notice lad.
Say whats on your mind mate!
Sick of the blind followers.
Living in the past they are!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 23:02:54
Happy to have a discussion if you had the respect/balls to leave a name

Oh bye the way the special one has never done more than 3 years at any club and is disliked by many so to be clear you would rather swap over 100 hundred years of proud history for potentially 2-3 years of success.

Talk of a peric victory

Chris
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Chris,
Sorry if you thought i was being disrespectful.
That kind of person I am not!
Call me Kevin if you like mate.
How would we "SWAP" 100 years of history for 3 years of success.
As i said below, how has Mourinho effected Madrid's history?
Inter's?
Porto's?
Chelsea's?
Mourinho wanted the job back in 2004 but was turned down instead of Rafa.
I would happily take 3 years of success yes.
Who wouldn't?
So tell me now how Mourinho has "swapped" his previous team's histories?
Very interested to get your reply.
Why would you think i haven't "The Balls" just because i didn't leave my sign off name?
Come on now!
If Kenny fails, i will tweet John Henry day & night & beg him to go get Mourinho.
As for the Fergie comment, that was more tongue in cheek but some folk on here are a little touchy i guess?
Awww ha ha!!!
"Kevin"


Mourinho has no respect nor dignity whatsoever he's also an arrogant big head.

Dalglish is a true gent , respects everyone no matter what race,age,sex or profession you are in, look what he did for the club during Hillsborough that's something no other manager would do.

On top of all this Dalglish is a true football great both on the pitch or on the sidelines, his records/medals speaks for itself.

Tom.


On the Inter part, did he not inherit a league winning side with little money due to the small thing called the world wide recession?!
Moratti didn't see the point in buying / fixing what wasn't broken when he hadn't that much money to start with.
Most of Mourinho's players at Inter were inherited even when he left.
This was probably partly why Rafa failed - remember Rafa had to publicly ask for Moratti to back him / sack him.
Bad idea me thinks!


Tom,
How on earth does that make the team he manages less successful?
I did say IF Dalglish fails by the way!
Hodgson is a true gent also so why didn't we keep him.
Nice guys don't always finish first.
Yes Kenny was a football legend on & off the field & what he did for the Hillsborough victims families was amazing (cost him his sanity nearly) but that does not mean he has a job in the hot seat for life.
Even Kenny will tell you, no one man is bigger than the club.
For the sake of the club, if we keep going as we are, Kenny will walk away - i have no doubt about this.
Hopefully it won't come to this but IF it does I'd want Mourinho as he'd bring top top players who would take us back up that table.
"Kevin"


In reply to Kevin, don't know where you're from or what your motivations are, but if you can entertain Mourinho as a Liverpool manager, then I think you're missing something mate, and really just don't get it. In fact if I have to explain it to you then i'm probably wasting my time. I'll have a go anyway. The man is the ultimate egotist who uses desperate, success starved clubs to help further his own ambition and personal pathway. He does this without the inhibitions of
fair play, decency, class, morals or respect. His win at all cost attitude and arrogance has made him an antithesis of the beautiful game and of any true football fan. Liverpool football club is an institution, a way of life, and carries in its DNA a moral fortitude which Mourinho could never begin to understand.To trade all this for the two or three years of the relative success that he would most probably bring seems too big a price to pay. I'm sure any true red, who are proper supporters, not just glory hunters, would probably agree with these sentiments. Christ even the mancs are debating whether they could stomach him!

David


Dalglish is the man to achieve success , Mourinho is a disgrace to football.

Tom.


No reply Chris?
Gotta go now - waited a couple of hours for your reply as you promised but have my bed calling.
I take it you had no actual legitimate reasons then?!
Nighty night,
"Kevin"


Mourinho is a disgrace to football.

He may be a winner but apart from that he is an utter disgrace.

LiverBird


Thanks for your reply David.
I have to disagree though.
I have been a supporter for nearly 25 years, have gone to many games (not as many as i'd have liked but that's work for ya), spent thousands of pounds on following the team.
I became a fan the night we lost in injury time to Arsenal as i watched on tv in '89.
When i saw the Liverpool supporter's reaction to what happened (staying behind to applaud Arsenal) i decided i wanted to be a part of that & started doing some research on the club.
So you can hardly call me a glory hunter.
The more i read the more i liked as i researched.
I was in awe of Houghton, Barnes, Aldridge & Beardsley.
My family hail from Liverpool as well but moved away just before i landed in the world.
Mourinho has hardly tarnished Chelsea has he?
Did he tarnish Porto?
Inter?
Madrid?
Yes he's egotistical perhaps but so what?!
I really don't care.
I'll put it to you this way, how can you be a true supporter of Liverpool FC if you don't want success?
Why do top players love to play for Mourinho?
Because he's a fantastic manager who brings success.
Top players still join Chelsea to this day because of what Mourinho started there.
Rafa hardly covered himself in glory at times did he but we still liked him generally?!
Suarez now is hardly covered in glory & yet he is loved by one & all at LFC including me.
If we want success again (which I do, not sure you do) we have to look to the best manager & best players out there.
Mourinho is that manager.
I'm missing nothing David except Liverpool being a top club again - right now we are NOT a top 5 team in England never mind Europe - wake up man & stop living off our history, Mourinho would turn it all around for the now.
Who knows, he might stay beyond the 3 years if things went well.
He's a winner!
I would rather Kenny did it but if not I'll more than happily welcome Jose.
David, living in the past like you're doing & not wanting certain individuals like what you're saying are reasons why we will not get back to where we were - snobbery.
We can't have that attitude if we want to progress.
Cutting of your nose despite your face n all.
Feel free to abuse me now because i'm fairly sure you can't offer an intelligent response other than "Mourinho is a egotistical so n so who only thinks of himself" blah blah.
I don't care personally so long as he brings us back near the top or to the top.
Alright David?
"Kevin"


The biggest problem with our club is our inability to let go off the past. Why feel proud of something we achieved 2-3 decades back, when the world has changed so much, yet we continue to hug the past. It only gives rival supporters a chance to mock us, n i dont blame them. All this respect, dignity... nt gonna win us anything. U wanna be the best, buy the best, even if their attitude stinks. Ronaldo, inspite of being a money grabbing mercenary still has achieved more than adam, downing... players who dreamt abt playing for us. Mourinho is a better manager than kenny, n thats a fact whether u like it or not.
Indian Buzzer


I agree mostly with you Indian Buzzer.
We should & must be proud of our past though.
It's something to be very proud of in the main.
But we have to end this snobbery that we seem to have..."I don't want Bent because...." Or "I don't want Mourinho because..."
I know we probably will never have Jose manage us, due mainly to us snubbing him in 2004.
But I for one would welcome him with open arms if Kenny fails.
The snobbery is presumably because we WERE such a successful club - those days are gone.
We need to start over & be humble.
It's my one & only criticism of some LFC fans, thinking we're too good for some managers / players.
I see people say that certain players are "not Liverpool quality" - what does that actually mean?
What defines a "Liverpool quality player"?
For me, it's a player who will fight to the death for his fellow players & fans, giving 100% effore in every game.
Kuyt for example is not the most skillful but always worked his socks off until this season.
He is clearly unable to do what he used to do work-wise so he now has no major qualities left for us to use so we need to move him on in the nicest possible & most respectful way.
Carroll, the same seemingly, he doesn't seem to have the heart, moans a lot without putting in a shift.
Sorry to say i don't see what he offers.
Adam, not trying at all in my opinion.
Lucas, again a fairly limited player but by god he works hard so he deserves his place - i always liked him as he always worked hard against the sound of stupid fans' moans & groans & even boos.
Hope those "fans" are ashamed now.
Carra is a prime example.
When he came along first, i didn't like him as a player much & couldn't see what he brought.
Then he slowly came out of his shell & even though very limited as a footballer, he became a very important player.
Love his heart.
Anyway, until the snobs end their crusade - we'll never be anywhere near where we were.
Look at Madrid, they took Mourinho warts n all & Ronaldo with his giant ego.
Where are they now?
Top of their league - don't forget they have Barca in their league who seemed unstoppable.
But anything is possible if we work together.
"Kevin"


Hi Kevin
First chance i've had to reply to your post.
I fear you're missing the point again mate. Yes he would undoubtedly bring some success for a season or two, maybe three or four who knows, but it's the way that he goes about getting it that most true reds I know find abhorrent. The cheating, cynical anti-football that he is quite regularly reduced to. Remember the running up the line with finger to lips to goad the Liverpool fans, do you really want success that bad? are you that desperate you would be willing to put up with him? What about the gouging of an rival coaches eye, I could go on and on about his lack of class. The man's win at all cost attitude might placate some glory hunter fans, but I guarantee that it would alienate most of the the others. LFC is a representation of the community and it's people, and i'll tell you for a fact that most Liverpool people see Maureen for what he really is and could not stomach him. And yes the Suarez incident, and the way it was subsequently handled, does leave a nasty tatse in the mouth, the same taste would be left if we had to have success on Mourinho's terms. Every season that goes by without the title is painful. We live and breathe Liverpool Football club up here, if you were a true supporter of Liverpool football club you'd realise that every now and again there are things more important than success, like respect, class and dignity, all things Liverpool aspire to and the very things that Mourinho will never have. If that's the only way we could have success then you can keep it. Support them through thick and thin, respect what they stand for, and try and understand that the majority of true reds fans would never have anything to do with Mourinho. You say you're no glory hunter, but would be willing to accept all his s**t just for glory! that is almost the defiftion of the term isn't it? Trust me there would be absolute bedlam up here if they ever appointed him. Luckily though it will never happen, as the club are aware of this strength of feeling. By all means next time you're up here feel free to walk around the pubs of south Liverpool and canvass opinion on the subject. Then you'll get a better idea of what we think of Mourinho up here. In fact just go and watch a game in which any of his team are playing and feel the strength of support for the opposition, whoever they may be....... Brian Reade if you're out there please help me explain!!

David


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:57:09
Next season will be our season, Fact.


Is this 1991 or 2012?
This has been going on that long (1991).
Let's get real...we need to sign "world class" not EPL class....FACT!!
No more Charlie Adam type of players.
We have better in our reserve squad (Spearing).


Ive been saying that for 20 seasons haha


No it won't - FACT


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:51:56
Jelavic and Krasic you think there is a reasonable chance they will sign?

Thanks Mark


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:27:40
WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS KENNY IN JAN:


Krasic (loan): I think he is keen to come not sure if Kenny wants him though, he would provide more for Carroll

Diego Forlan (loan): This all depends on Tevez signing for them and Kenny being interested. However could be just what we are missing a real natural goalscorer who could also calm Suarez down a bit.

Nigel De jong (£10-15 million): Desperate to get out of city with Euro 2012 fast approaching and they seem to be actively chasing a replacement in De Rossi



barnesjnr 777


They would never sign for liverpool, it would be a step backwards in their careers


How many people had thought of Krasic up until recent reports? How many have seen him play even? Juve are sh**e at the moment, if they're getting rid, then maybe he's not the answer that everyone thinks he is.

David


Nigel De Jong?? Lucas is only injured, not dead, he'll be back eventually, and spearing will be back very soon. Nigel De Jong is a thug, not somebody i would welcome to our club. On that note, Krasic is just a terrible footballer. Forlan is great, but not realistic, he's not long moved to a new club and is also not far from retirement, he can only get slower.

Red7.


What we are missing and it was painfully obvious on sat was a destroyer in midfield someone to protect the back four Him and lucas could play together when hes back especially against big teams like our match on weds with man city. Charlie Adam also rely needs this sort of player, remember how good he was playing with lucas.


barnesjnr777


So no negative tactics, but still want 2 defensive midfielders??

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:20:32
Im hearing a few man u players are out of the cup game! Any truth i didnt see much of the games today? Cheers lads

@kop_bailey


Who cares who plays we will have them either way!

Tom.


Phil Jones will be, but still don't think its going to change the fact LOLverpool will be out


It wasnt funny when you said it the first time


I quite enjoyed it if i'm beein honest you scouser


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:41:33
If liverpool are to purchase a striker would he be eligible to play in the carling cup? not saying we'll sign one before wednesday but if we do? {Ed002's Note - It depends who it is and when he signs.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:40:55
You lot should consider turning fifa and football manager off because some of the names you lot are reeling off are never going to sign for LOLverpool.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:39:21
As businessmen, it seems clear to me that Henry & co have been happy to spend 20m or more on a player if that player has either or all of the following:

Youth with potential
Statistically proven ability
Proven in EPL
Future resale value

This gives LFC a good chance of success and FSG a better chance of a return on their investment. So I was wondering, with this criteria in mind, which player would you spend 20m-25m on? The choices narrow when you look at a player in terms of a 3-5 year investment rather than immediate impact. If you exclude those players who hold a regular place in a successful team (eg. Alonso) and exclude those who, for whatever reason, would not likely come to LFC (eg. rooney, thank god), who would your main target be?

cozinoz


Players like Eriksen , Hazard etc if they don't aim for this standard of potential then we will never get back to our previous heights.

Tom.


Well said Tom.
"Kevin"


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:39:06
Its not often both sides of Manchester get to destroy you in 1 week so keep your chin held up high


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:35:45
Still worshipping at the feet of KK ? Deluded muppets - when will u f*****g wake up - tactically inept and clueless when it comes to transfers - personally I'd give him a contract for life - but maybe that's just me lol


Karma will come and when it does happily re-post that ridiculous post.

Tom.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:12:20
Think we should go for roberto soldado and esteban granero or philippe coutinho


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:08:45
who is that player from inter maccas talking anyone have any idea?


Jurgen Klinsmann


 

 

22 Jan 2012 22:08:14
Why is everyone so interested in david texeira? Do we really need another unknown waste of space. We need to buy a striker at around 24-26 with experience that can hold the ball up and finish. Spend 20mil. Someone to partner saurez. Carroll can't even control a football nevermind score. We don't need a winger right now. A striker is priority. Eds do you expect a striker with experience to be brought in? Thanks. Stew7 {Ed001's Note - how do you know he will be a waste of space if he is unknown to you?}


Its people like you who work in liverpool that are deluded and want to spend big money on average players eg.carroll,adam,downing etc. Weve had the money to improve and it hasnt been put to use


Both the texeiras look promising.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:54:37
Before i get attacked about liking the idea of Mourinho coming in if Kenny can't do the job, please tell me why it would be a bad idea.
He has been a success everywhere he's gone.
Could attract the very best players.
Yes he's arrogant but so what?!
If he wins us the league, i couldn't care less if he pulls his pants down at Wembley in front of the queen & swings his hose over his shoulder.
I'm a fan of 20+ years & want to see us winning & playing well, not being embarrassed by Bolton Wanderers.
He (Mourinho) hasn't hurt Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid has he?
Maybe Liverpool fans who don't want him need to ask themselves what they want from supporting the club?!
I want success like in Istanbul not continuous failure like with gentlemen like Evans, Hodgson & now potentially Kenny.
I'd even take Fergie if it allowed success to return.
Stop being snobs Liverpool "supporters"!
"We don't want Mourinho, Bent, Defoe".
Why not if they improve us?
Some people might even say Mourinho & Suarez might be perfect for each other - they are both similarly arrogant!
So before berating me, give me good reasons why i'm wrong please or are you too scared to have a real discussion lol?!


"I'd even take Fergie if it allowed success to return"
I saw that statement, clicked disagree and moved on

cozinoz


Would love it if he was the manager,don't no why people don't like him.he would make anfield a fortress again,teams would fear us once again,which player wouldn't want to player for him


Happy to have a discussion if you had the respect/balls to leave a name

Oh bye the way the special one has never done more than 3 years at any club and is disliked by many so to be clear you would rather swap over 100 hundred years of proud history for potentially 2-3 years of success.

Talk of a peric victory

Chris


I want to win to but I'd like to win with the utmost respect by treating every opponent with the utmost respect , the squad receiving recognition (Mourinho thinks he's the only reason his teams win) and having dignity.

Mourinho is a no Dalglish is the man who will win us 19 & 20, now be patient.

Tom.


Mourinho will never manage Liverpool. He said so himself.
Get over it!

Bill


Hit the disagree button all you like but if you don't give reasons, your vote counts for nothing!
I'm reasonably open minded on this so please change my mind if you can or dare lol.


Because he spends millions so succeed in the short term. Both inter and Chelsea have an aged squad because he was not in
terested in the long term success.. Which is why I dont want him.

The southern red


Only the special one can bring home the league for the 19th time. Zaydan123


Are you mad southern red?
He bought Duff at 24, Robben at 22, Drogba at 25, Cech at 23.
You're deluded pal.
He became manager nearly 8 years ago at Chelsea, yes 8 years ago.
Some of those players are still there playing as first choice - Mourinho left nearly 5 years ago.
That's all his fault is it?!
Oh my lord!!!
Check his transfer record dude!
Every squad he inherits he does spend quite a bit yes but is it your money or something?
Dude, see the bigger picture please.
If he came, we won the league & got far in the Champions League, are you telling me he would not be looked at as a god by Liverpool fans?
I'm not just talking Liverpool fans living in Liverpool - i'm talking the world over.
The man is an icon & i'd rather we got him than the Mancs.
"Kevin"


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:39:33
Watched both games today, as I am sure most of you did. I think we all must admit that the quality of football being played by those teams is well beyond us right now. That kid Chamberlain looks something special (starring against the Mancs too). I know we couldn't afford Aguero's wages, etc. but oh what joy it would have been to watch him and Suarez work up front.....

I only wish we played enjoyable football ( I think we did for one or two games this season, but none since Suarez left).


Most our games have been enjoyable but ultimately frustrating because we cant find the net. Loved the Stoke game despite the result.

cozinoz


What do you expect, missing Suarez is like taking Messi out of Barcelona.

Tom.


We r more dependent on suarez than barca r on messi. they can still call on world class players like sanchez, fabregas, iniesta, xavi...........
we have only and only gerrard.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:40:50
Let's face facts. Football has now got nothing to do with passion for a club. We are never going to compete without spending millions for greedy players! I would rather have a team of Carra's and finish 5th every year than have a Ballotelli or a Tevez on £200000 a week! Bring on the hungry youth. Sterling is a must along with Coady.


Youngsters these days!
Never even heard of
Money can't by me love...


You'll be lucky to finish 5th tbh

also, we'll see how loyal Suarez is this summer. if he goes 5th would be an even bigger struggle next yr!

Gav United


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:40:02
All This Nonsense On Transfer Has Got To Stop We Aint Getting 20 Messi's Or Something Soory To Dissapoint You All But Every Fan Including Me Must be Dieing To Find Who We Will Sign I Am 100% Sure We Will Cmon It s January last time for the final part of the seasons push I Bett At Least 2-4 Players Will Arrive And They Wont Be defoe-jelavic-bent-sinclair etc.
What You Think Eds There Will Be Dranma Of Course Who Expected Torres To Leave Last Year No one SO WAIT AND SEE!

Livers Till I Die!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:31:22
Guillem Balague :

Luis Suarez will DEFINTIVELY stay in Liverpool.


Lots changes in football in 6months


Ya he'll move to the bitters lol!


Stunning


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:31:18
Is the possible sale of G. Johnson football motivated or financial motivated? From a financial point of view, Glen is at the peak of his career and should fetch a good price and could easily be replaced by younger, less payed and arguably equally good Kelly. This seems to be the ideal of the FSG policy. In principle, I suppose the same may apply to Carroll, Henderson and Adam, that they will be sold at a profit in 4-5 years when their careers peak? This all makes good financial sense. But from a football perspective, can we really expect to win a premiership title with this model? One problem is easy to point out, if Kelly gets injured next year, flanno will (most likely) be Kelly's cover. While he's a good player, he still young, still learning the ropes and would be a weak point in the side that could get easily exploited by opposing teams. My big worry is that we are putting out faith in a football model, which worked well for baseball - there's a huge difference in contact between the two sports. To win the premiere league you need to have a strong squad, which means keeping certain players rather than selling them. I guess we will have to wait to see how all this is going to work out.
RedAce.


I highly doubt youll make a profit on any of your players except suarez, in most cases you paid for more than what they are worth


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:31:03
David Texeira scored again today.

LFC had someone watching him at the game..


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:30:54
What we really lack is that player who can beat his man and produce a moment of brilliance. Players like aquilani and babel, who before everyone goes on about how rubbish they were, they could be game changing. Go through defenders with some fluid play! Something that most of the time we lack.

Hate to say it but most of the players we brought are only reliable players, players who are good players but will never be able to produce those moments of brilliance . I do really hope they prove me wrong.

No point discussing transfers because we won't really know until they have happened.

Regards

The southern red


Babel was a genius at getting past his man. Problem is he always forgot to take the ball with him.

cozinoz


I agree too many safe players... lacking a couple of flair players.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:29:30
why are people saying we should sack kenny ! WTF ! we are doin considerably better than we where the first half of the season , we have been playing well (bar last two results ) where just not taking are chances, also in carling cup semi final

In kenny we trust Y.N.W.A


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:28:41
We are closer to the bottom three than man city enough said!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:28:20
Anyone know much about this milos krasic, not seen much apart from youtube clips. Looks half decent, bags of pace, can't really go by youtube though.

Are we actually intrested.


He's bad.

Tom.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:27:36
Is evra suspended 4 next week now it said it was his 5th booking, bit suspect if u ask me, obviously didn't fancy the reception.
Steve


Nope, need 10 bookings now after the turn of the year i think?!


What goes around comes around - Suarez due back at OT so careful wot u wish for


(i) If a Player accumulates five cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the Playing Season and 31 December (including any FTCM played on that day) in the same Season, he will be suspended automatically for a period covering: - One First Team Match

(ii) If a Player accumulates five cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the Playing Season and the last day of the same Season, he will be: - Warned as to his Future Conduct


But he took a knock so might miss it through injury. United looked the best today, only saving grace they got a lot of injuries but don't fancy liverpools chances.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:24:19
There's nothing wrong with Kenny or his coaching staff the signings he made are all doing okay apart from Carroll which is glaringly bad because of the position he plays which is so important on the park "Centre Forward". He's supposed to be the spearhead of our attacks a player to hold the ball up be difficult well nigh impossible to dispossess, lay it off to the wing, burst into the box get on the end of things.
The fact he can do none of these things at the level required is seriously affecting our overall play and confidence. Bet secretly Kenny wishes he never had bought him.
kidmillions


Adam has been a complete failure lad.
He cannot even do his own basics anymore (set pieces).


Adam was doing ok with the excellent Lucas alongside him and Suarez upfront and now with those 2 missing and the lack of goals, he's suffering just like the rest of the team.
kidmillions


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:22:04
First post for a while I think
It is quite simple if you do not speculate to accumulate then we not succeed.we
Are not looking like team that can score goals and it need fixing ( I do
Believe in Carrol and king Kenny )but we need
To sort this problem out in this window fact if not we will
Fall behind the others teams
1 top class striker I do not care who help up
2 some one who (solado)
Can put ball in the box as neither of
Our wingers do it enough
We (pace power
Need to act know simple


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:21:58
I've followed Charlie Adam his whole career. I see him constantly getting a lot of abuse from fans. Charlie is a player where if you support him he will play well but if you get on his back his performances will be poor. At Rangers the fans never backed him so he flopped but at Blackpool he was their hero and he played well knowing this. I bet if you lot were to give him a break and not Jeer him his game will vastly improve. I would like to hear everyone elses take on this.


When was he jeered at LFC?
Am i missing something?
I don't like him but would never jeer him!


Jeer him? never heard any1 jeer him.its not that ppl dont like him its the fact that hes not performing at the moment.even his corners are poor.and we all know how good he is at them

ste


He had an awful game against Bolton. However, recently he was improving and when Lucas is in the team he plays better and can get forward. He has scored a couple of important goal, against chelsea and wolves, however, to be fair both of these were shot which were going well wide and got deflected in. Some of his passing is very good but could he not tackle a toffee tart. In short, he a player who needs to play to his strengths and is not at all a defensive midfield player.


Chelsea?


It was man city wasnt it? I remember johnson n maxi scoring against chelski.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:21:36
watching Real V Atletico Bilbao. What a team Bilbao have. Ed Remember Mikel San Jose...he's been a rock in defence for Bilbao...Munian, Llorente, Javi Martinez...these are the sort of players we should be attracting. And it hurts to see Arbeloa on the right for Real. He's miles better than Johnson. Not to mention Alonso of course. Ed, any chance of Llorente and Javi Martinez joining Liverpool? {Ed001's Note - I wish, I would love both, Martinez is the best young central midfielder around, in my opinion. Very little chance though, they might sell one to enable them to keep the other. By the way, I fully agree on San Jose, I always thought we should keep him, he was a ball playing centre half, and we need one.}


I think i remember something about homesickness for Mikel, was it something like that??

Red7. {Ed001's Note - he wanted to play first team football and was told he had no chance, so he asked to go home. I don't know of any homesickness issue, but I never asked, it is perfectly possible that was part of the problem.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:19:11
Bring back Aqualini .
Kenny isnt right he bought average players where Aqualini is class. Kenny thinks Aqualini is lightweight but look at Silva Man City and Modric Spurs.
Doesnt make sense we are going stale with BELOW AVERAGE players. {Ed001's Note - give it a rest, Aquilani is not fit to lace Silva's boots.}


Neither r adam, downing n carrol.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:17:09
Ed, who was the S.Texeira that Ed0016 was referring to the other day? Which one is that? The one from Lisbon or Groningen? {Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry.}


There is 2 Texeira . David and Joao. one is 18 J.Texeira from Lisboa. another is 20 D. Texeira from Holland . we have intarest in both. J.Tex is done wait for medical. and D.Tex is Intarest not final


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:16:53
We've obviously missed another great opportunity this weekend. Although we are now having our blip,these are temporary. Arsenal just look s**te and with Chelsea looking extremely vulnerable we have every chance of 4th. We still have to play both of them at home. I'm just like everyone else in thinking we need some signings to ignite us again. Clearly the vibes are not great that this is going to happen. However, I just pray Kuyt and Maxi do not wear the red shirt again. Kuyt has turned into the most one dimensional player in the premiership. He seems incapable of anything meaningful or productive at the moment. I cannot believe that none of the academy players would do a worse job. Anyway roll on Wednesday. A result there would be a massive lift for everyone. DM YNWA.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 21:16:50
ive said for ages we had £ to spend in summer and who we get average players Henderson , Adams, Downing and the disgraceful Carroll who is the worst number 9 to wear the Liverpool shirt.


I think the only thing you have said for ages is "glory, glory, man utd)

cozinoz


You obviously don't remember El Hadj Diouf


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:47:41
Ed001, I seen your comments about Glen and his wages earlier, I was just wondering what your thoughts
On Gerrard and his wages are?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - Gerrard gets paid more, but he has earnt the right to be paid more, whereas I don't see that Johnson has. He was excellent last season, but this season he has been poor, at best, except his one appearance on the left.}


He was good last season because he was on the left, seems to concentrate more?

dmedly {Ed001's Note - that's what I think, he has to really concentrate on his game on the left, whereas on the right he goes to sleep.}


His defending was and still is suspect, but his previous pro was his attacking and overlapping ability. I can't remember bar te Chelsea goal him making one incisive run this season. They all seem endless or half arsed, unlike Enrique who goes with intent (perhaps tried to much but at least tries). It's the same with Adam, happy to do the Hollywood pass or wonder goal, but no interest to track or do the dirty work. He's been found out recently with Lucas and its a shame given his early form. It's been an average season, with some promise.

Papa G


What a stupid question to ask abwt gerrard and his wages! And well said ed001.

ACHILLES.


Gerrard Deserve that money. Don't Forget how Man Utd, Chelsea , and Real show him money but he sty with Liverpool. so money not buy his Love for the club. and still he is the best Midfielder of the world. its our Bad Luck when Suarez in Field Gerrard injury and when Gerrard Back Suarez Suspend .

R-R


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:58:44
I am genuinely petrified by some of the posts that think we should sign anyone and everyone. Even when the Eds argue about replacing Johnson with Kelly, they get berated for the club 'not showing ambution'. The club is a business after all, and our owners will not bankroll it's future existence. If you can save 60k a week by replacing one player for another and improving the team.....you do it! We won't sell Johnson by him sitting on the bench and Kelly has years ahead if him. All of the money saved with this, and selling kuyt, maxi, cole and aquilani can be put towards excellent younger players with lower wage demands, in the summer. But we aren't in the summer and we haven't sold them yet, so have faith that our club is being run well financially and the benefits will come next season when we can shape a younger, better team.
Pieboy1812


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:47:28
Suggest people watch SS1 and Madrid vs Bilbao. Great players on show, Llorente just scored a beauty! Llorente and Martinez are 2 players I would love to see at our club.

RedSG


I agree redSG especially about Martinez I think he is the perfect midfielder although i think there really is no chance of getting him

Square tomato


There's not a club in the world that would turn down Martinez, this means competition would be stiff if he was ever put on the market.

Red7. {Ed001's Note - the Spanish, in the main, do have a soft spot for Liverpool. Everything from the Beatles to our great club, so we might well stand a good chance.}


Why do the spanish have a soft spot for us ed? maybe its bcoz of rafa n all the spanish players that played for us, n were respected back in spain.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - I suspect it is more to do with the Beatles.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:44:53
Was it true that stevie g was in the centre circle after game berating players. can someone confirm or deny and give me a link if possible.
cheers

Taffytel


In all honesty, I listened to the game on the radio, and it didn't sound like Gerrard had the best of games either..?

dmedly


What like that fool Phil Brown? I hope he didn't, anyway; we're better than that. Let's hope he doesn't sing Sloop John B in the center circle, if we win on Wednesday either.
Rigsby.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:44:49
Alright guys,

I'm not going to come on here and slag off everything about Liverpool like lfc and co do on the United page after a bad result but I just thought I would come on and here some of the opinions of our friends down the road...I also thought I'd give you my opinion on your club.

Manager - Erm, I know he's an Icon down at anfield but he doesn't look up to it for me, I think he's come a long and made it seem as if you were going to be amazing straight away. His signings have been pretty poor to a certain extent also. I'd give him a little more time but if you're in this position next year then I'll strongly consider whether or not kenny can bring you back to your former glory.

GK - Top keeper, no doubt about that but he doesn't seem to be up for it this year, But I'll personally put it down to your back 4.

Back 4 - It's terrible, yes you've got future players such as Kelly and Coates but apart from that you haven't really got the quality of player that will get into any of the top 6 sides. Johnson is way to inconsistent, Carragher isn't the player he once was and Skrtel...the less said the better.

Midfield - Bar Lucas and Gerrard you've got nobody who I think would get into the majority or EPL sides and stand out as a top player. Adam had a great year at Blackpool because Vaughan done all the work, Henderson is a great prospect but i'm not sure whether the price tag is adding pressure to him.

Wings - Downing isn't a bad player, but you could of got somebody like Adam Johnson or dempsey.

Up top - I don't think Carroll is a bad player at all, I think he needs the right sort of service which is completely different to the way you play so he's not going to fit in your team no matter what. It's like having Klose and then playing the ball across the floor all the time.

apart from him I think you need another established goal getting forward, personally I would say somebody along the lines of Demba Ba, with the same playing style - although I wouldn't actually suggest him.

I think you're falling into the same hole as us at the moment, neither of us are playing well and are looking towards building up our weak areas and using our kids as the excuse for why we're not buying or as an excuse for why you'll dominate for years.

Well, I think both of us need to realise that out of the youth maybe 3 or 4 will make it and only 1 of them will go onto the best brilliant.

The Moon.


The defense has been exceptinal this season besides yesterday, what are you talking about


Collectively their marking is poor, individually they're terrible.


The defence must be really bad because that's why we have one of the best defensive records in in the league

RedMachine


I swear some people don't even take notice to the things we're doing right, they're more than happy to sit back and pounce when something goes wrong though...

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:39:53
Just watching the madrid game and in the build up they have said that Mourinho promised Granero more playing time. He came on against barcelona and has started tonight and hey concluded he is going nowhere so lets forget about it please


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:38:04
Lucas has got to be next Liverpool captain for me, can't fault his commitment, desire to prove people wrong and understanding of what the clubs about. Could say the same about Pepe but keepers as captains don't do it for me.

Sam.


Gerrard said years ago that Pepe should be our next Captain, but now Lucas front runner with Suarez


I would say suarez, he simply is everything you want in a football player. he puts in 110 % effort but he has the class to go with it, captain of ajax and you can see why, he is an inspiration for the rest of the team to up there game.RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:30:36
G.B just said that Granero will stay after being offered minutes by J.M. This game will be a great game to watch Llorente,Maritnez,Muniain,De Marcos,Ander.H.

MarcaRed


And you can add SAN JOSE who used to play for us


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:24:07
was so happy i nearly cryed when suarez scored his first goal in his first match for us, i dont think id have this feeling with defoe or bent i want so see a new striker which makes our footbal more beautiful...


I thought the same when Torres scored against Chelsea all them years ago!

dmedly


Was so happy i nearly cryed when suarez scored his first goal in his first match for us, i dont think id have this feeling with defoe or bent i want so see a new striker which makes our footbal more beautiful

Are you for real?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:20:47
kenny get ur finger out get rid of skirtel agger rodregues kuyt caroll and bring in 2 good center halfs 2 top class midfielders and 2 good top proven strikers thats what we need2 win the league thats what we need


Get rid of Skrtel and Agger?? Wow. Just... wow.


Agger? Are you kidding me no-one plays with more heart the same for skrtel they have been exceptionally well this seaspn despite what people might think we have one of the best defences.
It baffles me that you'd gladly get ris of him!
S


It's as easy as that!


Get rid of skrtel and agger are you daft they've bin solid all season they had a shakey game against bolton but who on the liverpool team didnt?

ACHILLES.


Are u serious? Sell agger? Win the league?
Do u actually understand football?!


Anonymous LFC critic strikes yet again zzzzzzz

cozinoz


What.

The.

F**k.

Are you on.........

(About)

That is honestly one of the most irrational reactions to a loss i have ever heard of..... Jesus......

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:14:14
Hey Eds, whats going on with Joao Texieria.
Cheers
-Dhananjay {Ed016's Note - Kenny has admitted that the Academy are interested, I suspet a 1 million pound deal}


To be fair, kenny's comment about the academy being interested is abit of a put off for any player coming in, he cant be any worse then charlie adam or henderson, im sure at 19 he can play a few 1st team matches.RedTurk


It's a Commoli signing - read between the lines.


Or maybe rodolfo borrel had a say in the signing.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:58:29
Granero starts for Madrid.

MarcaRed


So that's it he not coming, it just gets worse, rodney!


You're acting like we were in negotiations with Granero. By the looks of it he was never even up for sale, let alone a target... take it easy.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:11:51
why have we gone from creating the most chances in the league and having the best defence in the league to being in this mess playing slow football always giving it back to the keeper in the Bolton game there just was no enthusiasm but i think kenny has realised and he is going to make a few changes to the team for the next few games by the way he was speaking in the interview after the game yesterday ynwa



DOM LOVELOCK


Problem is when your finding it difficult to score goals and then Concede an early goal at Bolton. There's no way back? and so it proved. It sticks out like a sore thumb, the players don't believe in Carroll.
kidmillions


The same slow style was used in the europa league , and it just does not suit Liverpool at all , we need a lot more pace ,
redforever


 

 

22 Jan 2012 20:11:49
Ed's firstly sorry for quite a large presence, trying to avoid work. But what's your opinion of Nathan Redmond. He seems a very good prospect and he seems
To have grounded feet. I know we made a mild enquiry in the summer. Have you heard anything more? With him and sterling on either Wing in the future that could be a very potent set of wingers. Cheers
The southern red {Ed001's Note - he does look a good prospect for the future, though his crossing needs a lot of work, it is very wayward. He also needs to learn to do a bit more than just a quick stepover, he needs to learn how to mix up his game.}


Cheers for the responce ed1

The southern red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:36:06
Can't wait till Wednesday when these so called 'supporters' crawl back under the rocks. Dalglish!

Jatt YNWA


What makes you the perfect "supporter"?
Accepting 2nd class players?
Get real!!! {Ed016's Note - Look up the definition of Supporter.}


Getting to that final won't paper over many cracks lad - wake up!
The real supporters are frustrated at our poor players playing like Sunday park players - yes Adam, i'm talking about you mainly!
Carroll is just NOT up to playing for us unfortunately!
When we signed him i was so excited, more so than signing Suarez, what a let down!!! {Ed016's Note - the reason they did was so they would not pick up injuries or suspensions, a lot of selfishness on the weekend, they will bring it on wednesday and saturday}


Why should i support players who don't give us their all!
Supporters not allowed to be upset at players slacking off Ed no?
A real supporter supports the team not the players who don't care end of!
If you want to carry on supporting a half arsed Adam & Carroll playing for your / our club that's your choice!
I've been a fan for 25 years nearly & have an individual voice & opinion but i respect everyone's opinion so show a bit of respect for mine please.
"Look up" respect instead Ed perhaps?!


Well as a 'supporter' we give backing, but if these players are not doing what they get paid to do and at least try then we are entitled to voice our concerns. In the same way if some fans are shouting filth on sidelines, these players are doing it on pitch. And the end result should be the same. Ship them out.
If you can't get yourself up for every game at a great club like ours, you don't deserve to be here and certainly don't deserve our support. And it'sfunny how some of the edds let the abuse happen when its players like Aqua man who made it obvious he did n't want to be here. Those players yesterday ( except bellamy ) are in the same boat. They don't deserve to get paid.

Taffytel


Should i support Adam the next time he has a stinker, misses a pen, scores another own goal?
Getting sick of blind support now!
Did you blindly support when Poulsen was hounded or Lucas for that matter?
This is my first time turning against a player (Adam) since the 80's.
He's woeful & does the same mistakes in every single game - not tracking back, giving away pointless & dangerous free kicks, can't tackle, cant sprint, cant cross, keeps trying passes beyond his ability.
Need i continue?


So if adam scores the winner in the f.a cup final u wont celerbrate?

ste liverpool


I hope your right Ed016! If they don't I hope KK carries out his threat to the under-performing players

RedSG


Trust me, Adam won't do it!
If he did, I'll celebrate because I'm a Liverpool fan, not a Charlie Adam fan.
Just like I'll get mad when he doesn't put his shift in.
He was awful yesterday, has been awful for about 7 or 8 games now but still doesn't make up for it with effort.
He should look at Henderson, not playing well either but runs his socks off for the cause.


Who did you turn against in the 80's?
That was our greatest team! Was it Dalglish? Rush? Barnes?

No pleasing some people.


I should have said "This is my first time turning against a player since i became a fan in the 80's" - sorry!
This is my first time ever being so angry with one of ours.
I wasn't a big fan of Burrows back then having had a little think about it but supported him 100%.
I even supported Sean Dundee in the 90's for the love of god lol.


The "support" in the word "supporter" is a dead giveaway people.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:34:50
the only saving grace this weekend is the leage table could have been much much worse. 9 days left in this window. time to either back the manager or sack him. i know what i want but that wont happen. still hoping for top 4 but thats all it is now, hope. i've no confidence in this current squad to get the goals needed for a real push this season. so if by feb1 we dont have a new striker or 2 its time to right this season off and give some of the kids coming through a chance for next year. kevin,


Six points off Top four with 3 and a half months to go and you are ready to write this season off, Kevin? I guess you turned the game off against Milan when the Maldini goal went in? Have faith and hope and SUPPORT YOUR TEAM.

cozinoz


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:47:05
Just a shout out to the great Lucas Leiva, who just tweeted that he is on his way home (Liverpool) can the rest of the team learn from this guy you have to live and breath Liverpool. It's the passion and determination that this guy has shown that has made him into a Liverpool and brazil regular.

Lucas you legend, I hope you never leave!

The Southern Red


Any idea, roughly when Lucas will be fit again ??


I love lucas and i new we would miss him as much as we have done,i like players that never give up for LFC...irish kopitie


Unless he heals quicker than anticipated I don't see him returning by the end of the season unfortunatly. Here's hoping spearing can continue to grow into a similar player.

The southern red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:38:30
Although I do understand the reasoning behind letting Glen Johnson leave in the summer, what makes the most sense to me is shifting him up to right wing after the Euro championship. If his concern is over losing his England place before the summer, then let him play at RB until the summer before shifting him up to RW and moving Kelly to RB. This would save us a lot of money on a decent RW, but it would also keep Johnson happy. I'm sure the staff will sort it out, but that seems like a reasonable option to me. Thoughts?

Thanks!

CSeiling


Was thinking the same thing !! B


But there are a lot better right wingers who would have a better attitude and on less wages, and who dont have specific contract agreements.

The southern red {Ed016's Note - I see Glen moving in the summer, to Madrid or PSG}


I think his future will depend on the Champions League. If we were (somehow) to make fourth we will need two quality right backs for the league and Europe, he could cover left back and possibly right midfield, the revenue might justify keeping him... but if not I think a European move may be on the agenda...

Richards


I think his wages are the bigger issue - he's just not worth the expenditure


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:38:05
got a question for everyone.connor coady is the most physical ready for 1st team now would you play him instead of adam.

believable coady
unbelievable adam

DORSET RED

p.s
forgot to add i see silva as physically ready so would like to see him given games aswell come on for bellamy for 10-15mins.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:28:54
Ahoy - got to be honest it has taken almost a full day for the red mist to lift after yesterdays effort.

I have to come clean and admit I turned ESPN off yesterday to watch Paddy McGuinness on Take Me Out - switching off one bunch of desperate money grabbing last chance make up wearing weak willed fame hungry tarts - for 30 young ladies after a date on ITV.

NO LIKEY.

BOILED ONIONS.


Here Here !! B


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:27:40
Looks like the Jury has returned a verdict of ''Play The Youngsters'' Kenny. Pay heed or repent at your leisure !!


"repent at your leisure"

Are you watching the God Channel again?


''At your leisure'', being a reference to KD's possible lack of employment in the not to distant future.The yanks are not known for their patience when moneys being flushed down the toilet.Fortunately KD does not need divine intervention or a miracle,just to play the youngsters !! Brendan


And when Kenny finishes outside the top 10 after playing the youngsters you'll be the first to slate him then?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:27:24
Messi just scored a bullet header!
Andy, please take note!
He's 8 inches shorter than you!
FFS!


My hubby said the same while watching the match.
hibsylfc


Yes and he's about a gazillion times more skillful than andy


You wish mate lol!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:26:32
Where has all this Johnson to leave stuff come from? we don't need him to leave we just need kenny to realise he'd be better on the rw with Kelly at rb, downing on the left with bellamy and Carroll (for now) up top.

Fester


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:23:00
I'm a fan of LFC since 1989 & must say i am concerned.
I have watched many footballers come & go.
I have never seen a 23 year old (Carroll) improve that much from that age so he has little or no excuse.
Think about it, Carroll will not improve much from now on.
Yes he will get some confidence back eventually, but improve to world class levels - no!
We need to admit in the summer a mistake was made with him & Adam & sell them on - both are not good enough!
We need to sell Kuyt, Maxi & Johnson (to assist the wages situation), maybe ask Carra to retire & move into coaching / being an ambassador for the club.
We need to sign Carra's replacement (should have been Cahill), a right winger of quality & pace, an attacking midfielder to allow Gerrard rests, a central midfielder in his late 20's of high experience to help Henderson, Spearing, Coady & Shelvey along with their progression (Gerrard can't do it all alone).
We need then to break the bank for Llorente (ideally now in January - should have been attempted at the start of January).
We also need to fork out big style for one top quality poacher.
Maybe sign an upcoming player like Texieira & use him in Llorente's absence.
If we can do this, we will get top 4 easily next season surely - only problem is, have we the money?!
It will cost about £130m to do this with about £30m back for selling Carroll, Adam, Kuyt, Johnson & Maxi.
We need to give the kids a few games from now on.
We won't claw the 6 points back in my opinion.
If we go 9 behind after playing Spurs, then we have to look to next season & give the likes of Suso & Sterling a few games along with Kelly, Coates, Shelvey & Coady.
Look at Arsenal today with Chamberlain, ask yourself would he have started for us by now if we bought him, i doubt it & he was top class.
How will we ever know if our youths are good enough until we play them in matches?
Owen was 17 when he had his debut, Fowler 18 if i remember correctly.
Age is but a number.
Sorry for the long post but i'm sick of poor players getting a game week in & out when they add nothing ie Adam especially.
Aren't you?


If you think a player peaks by 23 you need to look again.

McSnuggles {Ed016's Note - Michael Owen...sorry that was 19. oh well.}


You are judging Carrol too quick. Give him a partner and he will be fine.Kuyt , yes cash in , Maxi yes go , Adam, well maybe try him for a while longer , but if he gives another free kick away just outside the area ......well ban him from Anfield!lol...Shelvy has to be given the chance..he is good, very good , and will prove himself. I have just stated on the rumour site that Bent maybe a good purchase ...Carrol is one of a partnership, not a lone striker...get him a partner, and if it still doesn`t work then ok admit defeat, but i still think the lad has got what it takes!Pinhead. Y.N.W.A {Ed016's Note - I want to know why Bellamy is taking corners...isn't that what Adam was supposed to be brought in for}


McSnuggles,
Give me some of your examples then buddy!
I'm talking modern day players, not Ian Wright, John Aldridge etc.
There were smaller scouting networks back in the 80's & before then so they clearly slipped through the smaller networks of the larger clubs.
Are you saying Messi for example will get better?
Has Ronaldo improved since 2008/09?
Come on now & open your eyes!
Anonymous poster.


Torres was 23 when he peaked i believe to add to my side of the discussion, i'm the original poster by the way!


He was brought in for that but unfortunately none of Adam's corners manage to beat the first man. Been really disappointed with his set pieces since he joined tbh.

Chally


We are judging Carroll to quick? How long Should we judge him? he,s had 12 month,s and he,s a poor imitation of a footballer!when he get,s the ball 9 time,s outta 10 he mess,es the move up! he do,es it that much that opposing fan,s laugh when he recieve,s the ball! take your blinker,s off Pinhead and say it how it is concerning Big Andy! he is last! No name Warrior!


When we bought Carrol he had a serious knee injury.....listen I`m not saying you are wrong but give the lad a chance.....I kinda remember a certain Henry being slated after a season at Arsenal, ......didn`t do too bad did he??!! Carrol is young, and lets be honest here, the chances he has had have not been layed on a plate have they!?The whole set up has been shocking.....as much as i like the lad my biggest disapointment has been Downing, but again time. For gods sake fella, this time last year we face oblivion!!!!!Pinhead Y.N.W.A


Pinhead he get's entangled with his own leg's when he trie's to do a sprint! nuff said! no name Warrior!


Henry was 20 i believe & was more like Babel.
Look how that ended up after 3 & a half seasons.
He's too interested in Twitter than his football!
Carroll - ask Capello what he thinks of his behaviour.
He's in his late 60's & is one of the most successful managers & former players of all time.
Maybe, just maybe we should listen to him?!
I DO want to give Andy more chances but not sure he feels the same about LFC to tell the truth.


So he needs it layed on a plate for him? and yes he has had it layed on a plate for him, he couldn't do much with it tho, £35mil and he needs it layed on a plate for him, give me a break. can we swap him for alan shearer??RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:17:14
Kenny if you follow this site please,for f--ks sake,play some of the yougsters,why spend a small fortune this window when there there, waiting to show what they can do.We all know who they are,give them a go and let the young foreigners you might be signing see what there up against for a place and vice-versa it can only be good for the older players as well,a kick up the arse !! Brendan
{Ed016's Note - I'm on it Brendan.;) kk}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:15:06
Ok now that I have had time to settle down. We have had a few bad games in a row, but we have played great this season. We have malt shots and most shots on target and I think 2nd best defensive record in the league. If th goal was 2 inches higher and wider we would be about 20 goals better off and In the running for the title. Luck has just not been with us. Opposition goalies all seen to have the game of their life at anfield. Keep the faith eventually, statistically, we have to get some good fortune. Might have to wait for next year but it will come. {Ed016's Note - yeah i mean look whats happening on wednesday. Semi final at Anfield. I believe no one can beat us there on a night like that}


Life would be great if everything was two inches bigger & wider to be fair lol!


Not everything... the peg might be 2 inches bigger, but so's the hole....


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:14:34
I honestly don't know who at LFC is performing worse at the moment, the team or the fans.... It's close either way! {Ed016's Note - Both. The players need support....thats what supporters are for}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:12:00
i cant believe people on here are asking for rafa to come back , there is better managers out there , i cant believe all you fans have forgotten all rafas bad points , the torres sub , when stevie g scratched his head , or his negative tactics , putting defenders on when we need a win and were getting beat , trying to counter attack teams that dont attack ,plus the reading defeats home and away , plus his bad buys {Ed016's Note - agreed, but he did come pretty damn close to winning the league, not that I believe Kenny will be going anywhere after just one season}


You picked out all the pionts the media used to beat rafa with .
what about all the good things he did dont just pick out the bad,
soul man


Not to take anything away from your post, but that entire scenario with Torres' sub was video put together by the news agency. Torres was subbed off and Stevie G's "reaction" actually occurred upwards of 5 minutes later.

McSnuggles


You can't really take away the fact that Rafa bought players such as Alonso, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Johnson, etc. You can't help but think that if Rafa was manager last summer, he'd have found a way to lure Mata to Anfield instead of Downing. {Ed001's Note - yes, by lumbering us with another huge contract that we couldn't afford!}


Rafa was playing politic,s with Hick,s and Gillett! if we,d of won the Champion's league in 2007 and the premiere in 2009 do you think we'd of got rid of them as easy as we did in 2010? not likely! and who are these better manager's that are out there? Rafa had alot more good point's than bad one's! he brought Hick's and Gillett's true colour's to the fore!


Wrong McSnuggles!
Against Birmingham away, Torres was subbed & Gerrard instantly gave a withering look at the manager!
Look again.
A bit like Van Persie today..


Think youre mistaken pal,gerrard pulled the face as torres came off the pitch,rob


23 Jan 2012 00:45:46
no it wasn't. I remember watching the match and losing it.

This video off youtube also proves it was his reaction at the time as you can see torres just running out of shot. It was his long sleeve shirt. It was defo his reaction to the subbing of torres

www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00D23R63ig


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:11:36
first and foremost, no fan can deny that we are in a better position in all aspects than this time last year where as i recall were in at around 12th. i do agree that recently we have played below par and we are in need of specific additions in the form of a right winger, a foreward and a creative midfielder.

but to turn on the club like this is not the liverpool way! as the great bill shankly once said "if you can't support us when we lose or draw, don''t support us when we win" this epitomises the way fans have it set in their brain that we should be winning everygame. look at all the scores this year in the league i would say most weekends there has been a great upset. one man who does put things in perspective is a certain rocky balboa, who talks of how its not how hard you can hit, but how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.
lets put this into football perspective. at present liverpool are able to compete against any team in the league and we have results to prove this but as shown we are unable to kill of the so called lesser teams in the league, not insulting their ability or their passion because there has been many great moments for the lower clubs this year! but rocky puts it as once being hit down you have to keep moving forward. this is what we have to do, it is all well and good going on and on about how diabolical the bolton performance was. Kenny has pointed that out but what im trying to get at is that the most important thing from this is that we move forward from it and learn from this mistake.

whatever the case. should people be solely calling for kenny's head after 6 months of being in full control of the club? no 1 full season should be the bare minimum for any liverpool manager, bar major exceptions ala hodgson who was is merely a mid table club manager.

i think the players have to take most of the responsibility because however hard kenny works with them, if they don't put in the effort and the passion for the club then we are never going to get the results.

lets look at the squad at present and new signings.

goalkeepers - i would say we have minimal issues with this, reina is a world class keeper and doni although havent seen him much seems adequate back up.

defence - im sorry to say this but johnson needs to go, his forward play is getting worse along with his dreadful defensive ability. in my personal opinion i dont think kelly is the right replacement. i believe that he should be moved into the centre but that is just my opinion. im sure he would be very good RB aswell. CB - probably skrtels and agger's worst defensive desplay of the season however they in general have been on top of their game and Coates showed against stoke that he is a more than adequate back up. LB enrique, i believe that he is very good, but what is important is that he doesnt become complacement as shown against bolton, tries too hard to keep hold of the ball in any situation, although good sometimes, other times just not showing enough respect to the opposite number.

Midfield - i feel sorry for henderson, i think that he works very hard for the team and if played in his proper position can be a very capable CM. we are lacking a RM desperatly, kuyt is past it. adam has been poor for me, he just doesnt seem to have the level of ability that he did have maybe he was just a big fish in a small pond. i hope he can turn it around. lucas, no need to say anything. spearing, what a lad, i am against any negative comments about this fella he has done nothing but put his all into every game. and against bolton it genuinely showed that we missed his breaking up of play. downing is a must on the left, him and enrique worked quite well together and with a run of games, could do well for themselves. january is never a good time to buy players especially with the euro's but if granero is available than i would take him. but for me shelvey could be a potential person to take this role, as shown at blackpool.

forwards - suarez, although top quality, needs to work on his accuracy. but other than that very good player sorely missed. carroll, i dont know what to say. sometimes he shows his potential other times he makes heskey look world class. bellamy i would personally say signing of the season. a passionate player and he puts his all into every game he plays.

right well to end this sorry for the massive essay but i needed to get it all out. if you have read this far thankyou for listening to me, and i hope you take note of what i am trying to get accross.

peace out

the southern red ( YNWA )


Good assessment, pretty well agree with all of that. I would only add that we also need a left winger because I don't see Downing as the solution.


Thanks. I do see where you are coming from but I do believe that with a run of games in the same position and with enrique he will really up his game because I do agree at present he hasn't been the leading assists taker that was around last year

The southern red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:04:35
Right here goes
The Bolton game will hopefully give some of the players a much needed kick up the backside.

Kenny is the right man for us.

Hopefully the morons that come on here and say we shouldn't play with a DM against lesser teams will now realise how vital one is.

Maybe people will now see the quality Spearing has got.

Why are people blaming Bellamy for the handbags with Reo-Coker? Reo-Coker tried to wind up Craige and instead managed to get himself into a hissy fit.

KT!


Bellamy is a legend gives all he has for us so we should give him all we have.
k-h


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:04:31
After January:
4-4-2
25 Reina
34 Kelly
37 Skrtel
5 Agger
3 Enrique
17 Krasic
8 Gerrard
20 Spearing
19 Downing
7 Suarez
10 Soldado
Subs:
1 Doni, 2 Johnson, 26 Adam, 14 Henderson, 15 Hoillet, 9 Carroll, 39 Bellamy


Don't expect that many signings especially Soldado

As the Ed's have been saying expect 1/2 at most

Hans


If that happens I'll be well happy.....however, being realistic, NO CHANCE!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:02:25
buying british was a terible thing to do in my opinion all our (home grown) buys have flopped and none are worth more than what we paid which shows you their transfer techniques are terrible comolli and kenny really need to rethink their policy and buy perhaps the best of south america, best of europe and best of africa then that way we will have a stronger team and be honest if we sold carroll henderson downing and adam tomorrow would you be horrified or relieved cos I know what I would be. Ed your opinion would be handy and I couldnt care if anyone thought Im an person im just going by what I think would benefit the club.


Man of the south east {Ed001's Note - I think you are judging far too soon, never heard of patience?}


Dalglish bought all brittish player's in the 87 88 season! he did well in that season as there were hardly any foreign player's in the league at the time as English club's were banned from europe, he did it again with Blackburn! but with the game changing so fast they went from champion's championship side in 2 3 season's! Now we've gone from a cosmopolitan side to buying brittish crap! and it look's like it's third time unlucky for Dagger's in the transfer market buying brittish player's! as the one's he's bought I:E Downing,Adam,Henderson and last but not least Carroll are not LFC standard! Ed001 say's patience how long should we give them ED? {Ed001's Note - at least another season, at the very least, after this one. People need to grow up and learn a bit of patience.}


Patience?
I'm waiting 22 years since the last league title?
How long should we be asked to wait?
I would love to have your patience Ed but i'm fed up of players like Adam getting picked over the likes of Coady who hasn't even got a subs appearance yet.
You could say we're lucky to even be still in existence but as a fan, i want success, otherwise i'll go on just being miserable for the next 22 years watching the next Elhadj Diouf, Adam, Dundee, Traore being brought in to have us flirt with 10th place.
Call me selfish, but i spend enough money on my club to have a say.
Barcelona's fans bought out their club to get their say - we never will, but we are entitled to be annoyed with things going wrong just as much as we are entitled to be happy when we win a game or trophy no?! {Ed001's Note - I don't care how much you spend or how long you have had to wait. You are a spoilt little brat if you think that we have a right to EXPECT success. You are selfish if you think that's what football is about. We have been lucky to win all our trophies, plenty of fans go a lifetime never seeing their club win a major trophy. Perhaps you should just be thankful that you have had the good fortune to follow a club that has won things, instead of a lower league club with no hope.}


Never said i EXPECTED success!
I want success.
Don't you?


By the way, i'd be happy to follow a lower league club who win nothing so long as the club listens to their fans.
I & nearly any LFC fan i have spoken to recently wants a proven goalscoring striker since about October.
We've had Oct, Nov, Dec & most of Jan & still this has not been addressed.
I want to know why?!
Yes i am a spoilt little brat of 33 years of age lol!
Sticks & stones - have we sunk to the level of name calling now?
Are you sure you're not the "little" person here lol? {Ed001's Note - you are acting like a spoilt little brat. Just because you want a striker does not mean the club has to buy one. The club has not had any of Oct, Nov or Dec to address it, in case you haven't noticed, the transfer window is shut in those months.}


Oh god, must i spell it out any plainer lol?
I meant we could have set up a transfer or started seriously scouting for that position.
Am I the only LFC fan looking for a striker then as you suggested Ed?
You think we don't need one then?
Clearly Carroll & Kuyt are natural goalscoring poachers.
Ed, seriously!
Please think about what you're suggesting before posting it.
We cannot score for $hit but still refuse to buy a striker.
That's not only my opinion kiddo.
And i'll say it again, "sticks & stones" but whatever makes you feel better about yourself i guess.
Very childish indeed, lol!!!
Name calling is a definitive sign of a lack of intelligence most world leading psychologists reckon.
Well, that's what my psychologist lecturer told me after he called me a "4 eyed head wrecker" lol.
Can i call you names in return then lol?
How about "Tiddles" lol? {Ed001's Note - yes, yes, a lack of intelligence coming from someone who uses multiple exclamation marks on something that isn't even an exclamation. If you are unable to understand that the club, as has been said many times over the last few months, have been scouting hundreds of players, then that is your problem. If your stupid enough to think that the club should base its transfer policy on appeasing your wishes and demands, then more fool you. I would prefer to leave the scouts and management to make their own decisions, based on what they feel is right.}


To a point I actually agree with you Ed.
But where we'll have to agree to disagree is when you say I should have no say in what my club does!!! (Exclamation mark x 6)
We have every right to our say when we pump in enough money into the club's coffers.
We have had plenty of time to make signings since January 1st so why haven't we I wonder?
By the way Ed / Tiddles (lol), as seen as we're now pointing out each other's mistakes in their posts, on your last reply you made an error.
3rd line from the bottom.
I'll let you try to figure that one out!! (Exclamation mark x 3) Lol!
I can assist you more if you still can't see it.
Maybe now you can see why my psychology lecturer called me a head wrecker?
Did i make any mistakes on this post? Lol.. {Ed001's Note - I think you need to spend a bit more time with a psychologist to sort out your self worth issues. Clearly you feel that a description of your actions amounts to a personal insult, which suggests a, no doubt hidden, lack of self esteem. Added to your fake jovialty, lol on the end of sentences which had no humour in them etc, I would suggest you probably aren't as happy as you are trying to pretend to be. Allied to your move to bring in to the conversation the fact that you have listened to lectures, and trying to add the weight of a lecturer's nonsense comments about intellect, shows a severe lack of self confidence. You obviously feel a need to reassure yourself that you are right constantly. Likewise, your desire to feel a need to have an input into the club, just because you put some money into it. Luckily for the club, they are not there to pander to the wishes of the fans, otherwise we would end up with no club, due to the ludicrous demands of fans for 'star names' every transfer window.}


Know about lack of esteem from experience do you ed?
Takes one to know one allegedly.
Oh man, thanks for the lesson in how I feel about myself.
Do you feel better about yourself mate by pointing out errors?
By name calling behind your screen?
By trying to psychologically evaluate someone (wrongly i might add) & try to make them feel smaller than you?
I bet you have spectacles (look a little nerdy), a thin or no hair line, fat (ish), single & have no potential to progress in life or work?
That's my evaluation of you from my psychological training.
I bet i got at least 2 of those character assessments right.
I'd bet my right nut on it in fact.
My fake confidence to cover my lack of self esteem is about to bloat if I'm right.
No lols or no exclamation marks so far so you can relax.
You've bitten off more than you can chew with this here me thinks.
You, i believe wouldn't know good humour if it slapped your bare ar$e i reckon pettle.
Remember, sticks & stones mate.
And remember, you started the name calling "Tiddles" lol. (Oops!)
The only thing fake about me is my Mother's nubbin.
Can i put a "Lol" in here now as i thought that was reasonably funny?
So how was my assessment of you?
How many did i get right?
At least 2 i'll bet?! {Ed001's Note - is that really all you have? Bless. That was laughable at least, not funny, just laughable. Starting with the childish insults, descending into pathetic little jibes, and generally going nowhere but up your own backside. Obviously I was spot on, or you wouldn't have even bothered to respond. You did get one right, I do wear glasses, but your 'psychological training' is absolutely useless if that is the opinion you are forming. Again you assume that a description of your actions is name calling, clearly you fail to understand the distinction between the two. I would suggest you study a bit harder, it is a very important distinction for someone who is claiming to be studying psychology to understand. As for do I feel better? Not really, why would I? This is just words on a screen after all, it is hardly going to evoke feelings as I have no emotional investment in whether you are pleased or displeased, as I have no emotional connection to you whatsoever. You don't have a name to be identified with, so to me you are just another nameless poster, one of thousands I deal with each and every day. But, if it will make you feel better, I will pretend to be feeling better, just for you. Though I fail to understand what I meant to be feeling better than? Perhaps you could explain to me, in your 'professional' opinion, just what I am supposed to be feeling better about?}


On your last point ed, Barca aren't doing too bad using a similar idea to what you mention.
And by the way, you suggest i have a lack of intelligence due to my number of exclamation marks & them being in the wrong sentences but then say that is not a personal insult?
So you are suggesting if someone is called thick / stupid, they should not take it as an insult?
Wow, where do you get these ideas from?
But in any case, i don't take your insults personally as you'd actually have to have my respect or I'd have to know you to have you insult me in a personal way.
I don't know you, so why would i feel insulted by your childish attitude because you feel insecure & feel the need to do so just to make you feel better?
Maybe that's how you operate but not me.
Loving the banter though.
Notice i still haven't called you names though (unlike what you did) & won't as i have some common courtesy, maybe you could learn a thing or two there.
Respect is earned, you are not earning it & not covering yourself in glory here to be honest.
My Daddy is bigger than yours etc.
I'm taking my ball home.
Don't tell me you were / are one of those too?! {Ed001's Note - I have never said the use of multiple exclamation marks was a clue to your intelligence level. I said your misuse of multiple exclamations after a statement that was not an exclamation leaves you in no position to comment on my intelligence. I think your lack of ability to read and digest the words on the screen tell their own story, don't you? Actually you will find I described your actions, not called you names. Again you are failing to understand a fundamental difference, it is quite worrying that your understanding of the English language is so lacking. Especially if, as you claim to be, you are studying psychology, where being able to fully understand what is being said is vital. It is amazing how you feel so hard done by, such a victim, despite numerous attempts to discredit my intelligence throughout this thread. I guess there is a psychological message you could learn from it, if you applied your mind fully and read and digested the words correctly. As for respect, what has that got to do with anything? I have never asked, nor do I require your respect. Why have you even brought that into the equation?}


Holy crap Ed.
You've actually gone mad on me here.
Genuinely, i'm actualy loving the banter here & mean NO harm.
I did say I'm a head wrecker.
All in good fun from my side but we don't seem to share the same humour i guess.
If you can't see what I mean by me saying "Do you feel better name calling", then I can't help you professionally as you have no basic concept of psychology.
I'd give you some lessons but fear it'd all go over your baldy, spectacled head.
Oh wait, you said you have hair, a comb over is it?
Are you sure you have hair?
Are you sure you're not slightly fat around the gut?
I'm assessing that you used to have dark hair & you are definitely slightly fat.
"Sam" my psychic guide who i borrow from Derek Acorah from time to time has told me this & he is never wrong.
Stop lying to feel better about yourself.
As i say, I'm only bantering with you, nothing I say is meant in a potentially insulting way & I apologise if it seems like it, sincerely..
Oh, you can call me "Ms. Tessmacher" if you like so i have a name.
That's a lovely nerdy movie name I think.
Love the site by the way.
Good banter. {Ed001's Note - I suppose you were half right on the bald, close enough, I will give you half a point on that one as it is shaved. As for head wrecker, nope, not really, it is hard for someone to go mad, unless they were sane to begin with. After ten years doing this site, I don't think I can lay claim to any trace of sanity.}


Well I guess I'll make a terrible psychologist then eh?
Well i never said I was studying psychology did I?
I said my lecturer said blah blah - it didn't suggest i actually studied it as i was too busy chasing the ladies & consuming ridiculous amounts of beer.
I'm sure you're fairly intelligent n all but i'm just bantering back with you.
That shouldn't be hard to spot surely.
You do seem a little worried about having your intelligence questioned, maybe you need to sit down with a qualified psychologist?!
It took up quite a bit of your last reply.
I'm finding it hard to concentrate to be honest on some of your writings as you are asking me so many questions as you don't seem to have many answers of your own.
Just playin, relax.
On the respect thing, well you did start name calling at the start which shows a lack of knowledge & respect.
I was simply pointing that out to you.
I don't believe in name calling as i'm an adult.
You can say you didn't name call all you like but you did earlier which is clear for all to see, if i did it to you / other editors i'd probably be banned & the other posters would start the "You poor Eds have a hard job putting up with all the abuse" blah blah.
Well, as the song says - it cuts both ways.
If you would like some respect in life then you need to show some.
If you don't want any from posters then carry on as you are.
I would have thought that you would like to have nice conversations on here than nasty slagging matches & having to delete abusive posts.
Maybe you like the abuse, but that's a whole other psychological issue isn't it?
But if you want an easy life, then make life easy for yourself by showing some initial respect instead of starting off on a bad footing.
Is that not within your capability?
Respect is a big thing in life - there's not nearly enough in these times.
Now, there was today's psychological lesson for you.
£300 please,
Miss Tessmacher {Ed001's Note - I have absolutely no idea what you said then, sorry, got bored after the first line and skipped the rest. I am sure it was very interesting though, well done.}


Touche!
My posts are slightly on the long side.
All the best "Tiddles" lol, talk to you soon perhaps.
As i said, good banter, please don't take any as an insult - which this site is meant to be all about i believe (banter).
Think i won the psychological battle?!
But we can call it a draw so everyone's a winner maybe?!
Good night kiddo.
Miss Tessmacher


 

 

22 Jan 2012 19:01:50
Just watched Arsenal playing the Mancs, Van Persie was class again but a bit lightweight. I see Arsenal needing a big front man to compliment all their intricate build up play.
....Oxlaide CHamberlain - Andy Carroll - Theo Walcott. What a forward line that would be. Big Andy would get all the service he requires and would be banging them in for fun in no time
allowing Arsenal to cash in on Van Persie who's no-where near as good as Carroll or as young.
We'll buy Van Persie. Sad to see Carroll go but at least we get Van Persie
kidmillions


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:50:16
Valid points Chuck mate.

Ozone


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:49:35
I think after this weekend, it is fair to say we have been relatively lucky that our rivals for fourth place also dropped points. But we are unlucky that our dropped points were against Bolton, near the bottom.

jolly Red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:47:32
Hello Ed,
Another rumour about Bent and Jelavic. Don't know if true, we'll find out in the next 10 days at most. But to be fair, can it gat any worse as far is scoring goes? Even if we sign Bent and Defoe and Jelavic or whoever else, if they don't score, will it be much different from today? And if Liverpool don't sign any new strikers or wingers will it get worse? Don't think so. My point is, it can only get better either way, so lets keep our fingers crossed for the Reds.
tom


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:45:13
very disappointed with effort and workrate the worst i have seen since we played portsmouth away under Rafa in his last year.adam looked overweight and slow and even Gerrard did not follow back,glad Kenny let them know and will be hoping for alot more effort and commitment on Wednesday,if we are beaten by a bit of magic we can take that but cannot take being out faught


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:42:34
I dont want king kenny to be out but i want Kenny to take bold decisions and take Carrol, downing, henderson , adam , out of the team n play bellers,SHELVEY ( oh god why cant manager see he is twice hendo?), + two new players a winger (Navas/lennon) and a striker (soldado). But guys seriously if Rafa had spent this much money and bought this s**t then we'll would have been this much patient with him?
Charlie adam is worse than downing and hendo, the ogre cant run 5 yards, then why on earth is he a footballer?
with 80m we could've had Bale, Rvpersie and couple of good players who would've been atleast FOOTBALLERS.
Perhaps Arsene wenger would've built an entire team with 80m and it would be above us. Please be bold kenny we know you love lfc but its not working right now.
Long live the King.....YNWA
REDistani.


I agree with you mate Shelvey is brilliant twice the player of Hendo


Carroll - he has hit a wall with confidence and touch and doesn't know what to do on the pitch anymore...

Downing - not had much to aim at all season in my opinion.

Adam - not too bad on the ball but unreliable when need to defend.

Henderson - I think for his age, he's doing just fine so I disagree on that one.

We need players who are starving hungry... and not just after the next nice pay deal!


We couldn't of got Bale or RVP.
Could you imagine a midfield 3 of Adam, Gerrard and Shelvey? Where would the defending come from?

KT! {Ed016's Note - The defence}


Thanks Ed lol.

I mean the runners that come from midfield would get even more joy>

KT!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:40:44
we could be sitting fifth and proud after the weekends games. Arsenal, Newcastle lost, Chelsea draw. What a waste of chance.


Just two fewer draws at home would have done it!! {Ed016's Note - Yep}


If's and and's may pots and pans

We didn't and we aren't


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:39:41
if 2 key players are took out of any team in the prem they will struggle Liverpool will come good once Suarez comes back and Lucas we will be a different team we do need one or 2 signings a goal scorer and a wide man with speed and we need to give the young talent a chance we will never know if there going to be good enuf if we don't give them a chance ynwa



DOM LOVELOCK


I agree - but, and I hate to say it, Utd have done without so many key players this season and look where they are... no excuse.


YAYA, KOLO, KOMPANY. and can still loan adebyior, and not play tevez and still top the league.. RIO and VIDIC, make shift full backs and united can get a job done.. thats the difference. and btw, its not long ago ppl were demanding lucas was flogged on. K


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:38:01
LFC set to sign Morcambe FC's young stiker Lewis Alessandra for 750k


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:37:42
Have to say with the results ths weekend we might just have to away with yesterday's result. Fingers crossed they'll pull their finger out and hopefully KK can add a couple of faces and they'll kick on and challenge.

Personally would like to see Krasic, Sow and Honda brought in........wishful thinking by the look of it though!

Mark from Selby


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:37:08
come on kenny give youth a chance


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:35:53
Time for dalglish to be on his way i think. The money he has wasted. Who in their right mind would give him more to throw away in jan. Another clearout wanted at lfc starting with management.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:35:44
Hi Guys

Just face it These Yonks are no better than the last lot.....

No decent signings in this Windows, NO STRIKER

Why? They want KD out and replace him with a YES MAN

YONKS OUT!


What a load of rubbish lad, They've put their hands in their pockets and handle business much better.


How are FSG no better than the two clowns?

They saved the club and our now running it properly, no more 60k a week Voronin's, much better commercially and lots more.

KT!


Get a grip mate!
U sound like a manc
ItsNotRocketScience


Dont be an idiot. they've invested over £100m into the club, they're a hell of a lot better than the last 2 clowns. even if dalglish did waste the money, surely its still assuring knowing the owners are willing to spend that kind of money?


Things aren't going well but that's not FSG's fault - the players need to take closer account of themselves and KK needs to dip into the youth squad a little more to invigorate the play.

We're a hell of a lot better off than we were with the two idiots from before.

Suffolkn'red {Ed016's Note - The players were to concerned about the two cup finals on the weekend, a total let down mentally on their part}


I'd replace Kenny with Rafa! Simple's! no name Warrior!


Ed016 their professional footballer's who get paid thousand's of pound's every week! so what your saying is that their not mentally strong enough? Dont think so Ed016


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:27:00
Mourinho? I'd guess he'd won the league playing negative football then Not Celebrate when the medals are handed throw it to the crowd then Leave!! F"!,:n Brilliant. Have some respect for The Club!! Short term glory to the cost of the club
If I offered you a fiver for your granny you'd snap my hand off YNWA


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:26:43
I've calmed down after yesterday... Nd thinking about it now I still think we'll get 4th or 5th just wait and see you'll love dalglish again in a couple of weeks. We need to see some of the form of 2nd half last year when dalglish started. Ed's what do you think the problem is? In my opinion we're missing lucas more than anything we didn't have any strikers last year but we destroyed a few teams.

KingMiz


Got to say that the balance in midfield was all wrong. Adam and Gerrard did not take any responsibility for tracking back and it was no surprise when 2 Bolton midfielders scored. A simple switch of Henderson and Gerrard would have made all the difference to me as Henderson tracks back more than either of them put together. Brian


Still think we'll make 4th 5th KingMiz! what good will getting 5th do? I'll tell ya! Kenny will get the boot if we dont make 4th at least!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:25:57
Was it me or yesterday was Bellamy the out-out striker up front for us, with Andy Carroll playing slightly deeper role than
he normally does?


Andy Carroll was everywhere deep in defence on the wing everywhere except up front! and in those other position's he still had no idea what to do!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:24:34
trying to put some positivity out there for everyone, so look on the bright side, in the last 3 league games we have gained on arsenal ! 1 point !! haha, they have lost 3, we have drawn 1 and lost 2, progress lads, Progress
....nothing like taking advantage is there


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:19:43
Shocking performance yesterday. I really do think some players got a bit over confident and thought thought they had to turn up to win.
But fan's to be calling for K.'s head are a f***in joke. Go on RedTurk,tell us you'd get in who's available at this time of year.
tell us all that if's past his sell by date as a manager. A man like the king deserves's to be judged after a full season min,not after every f***in match.
I'll judge him then myself,but until then i'll reserve it till I see the final league table.
If its not upto scratch where a club of our stature could or should be then i'm all for a bit of pissin and moaning about what's goin on.
Until then let's unite and get behind the team instead of constantly whining like little pussy's.

Jonson


Great post. And welcome back Johnson, the vegetables have been breeding in your absence. Lol

MIKEY
(king kenny forever)


Jonson did i not say i respect kenny and i never said he should be sacked now, and i agree he should be judged at the end of the season. I was pointing to a few of his signings who are simply a big waste of money and the fact the owners dont want to continue giving him the funds as we can see, we havent bought anyone in even though we need it.RedTurk


Over Confident on the back of What Performance? Think it's more like we conceded an early goal and the whole team to to a man knew we then had to score 2 to win.
And to a man! none of them believed we could because of our abysmal scoring form and abysmal centre forward.
kidmillions


"Shocking performance yesterday. I really do think some players got a bit over confident and thought thought they had to turn up to win."

Ain't that a bit of whinge!

I do agree though... Dalglish out now is not the answer.


He shouldn't be judged after a season, he should be judged after three. It takes time. This is a big week but if things go to plan we'll be in a cup final and on a run in the fa cup after knocking out utd. I'll take that this season and accept 6th or 7th in the league.

With the exception of Carroll, the players who have been brought in are doing fine. Let's face it if Kenny had a full squad available to him with a prolific striker, we are capable of wupping anyone convincingly.

Carroll did show signs of improvement yesterday in the first half but reverted back to bad habits in the second half. I won't buy into this lack of service argument, he just doesn't get himself in the right positions. We still need a striker to push on.

Kenny will get this right and it'll be like going back in time to the eighties. You need some patience chaps.

Ozone


Spot on Ozone We need to give Kenny Time all great managers have to be ruthless; when the time comes think kenny will do the right thing it will just take time to ship out the non-triers and the just plain not good-enoughs. By the way all managers make some bad buys it's how quickly you deal with it that counts.
kidmillions


Normally agree with you mate,but on this ocassion I do not think that any success we may achieve in either of the cups would make up for the abject failure of not getting back in the Champions League.
Our whole future depends on qualification for C.L,without it future signings will be difficult and not of the quality we expect and holding on to our existing players will also be very difficult.

It is time to review what has been achieved,without the rose tinted glasses that Kennys return brought about,and decide whether the return on the investment has been worthwhile.In my opinion most of the investment over the last year has been a waste (of those bought only Suarez and Enrique would not bring massive losses if moved on)
Lets hope it all comes together but in reality I have spent the last 20 years in the misguided hope/belief/dream that things will improve and its not getting better.

Derek


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:15:57
Ed001...2 quick things. First, great site and excellent info. Second, it's Ozil not Oezil. That's been driving me crazy. {Ed002's Note - No. It is Oezil if there is no umlaut in the font set.}


And that's why you don't try to correct someone who's smarter than you. Lol

KT!


No, its Oeziellllllll if there is no Turkish Hasti before the z - seriously?!
WTF like?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:12:48
Ed after Kenny's blast yesterday regarding our players gutless performance, do you think this the catalist for the deadwood in the squad to be shifted out Kuyt/ Maxi, maybe Carroll out on loan? Plus it would be interesting to know who you would like to see added to the squad this January transfer window. These rumours do get out of hand and I'm really curious what sensible players you would go for.

Totally addicted to this site

Anarchy


 

 

22 Jan 2012 18:03:22
such a shame for this weekends results, Arsenal lost, Newcastle lost, spurs lost, Chelsea drew, not just us though slipping up but so annoyed at yesterday results.
Need to win cup though to guarantee Europe next season although champ league would be even better 4th place!
John


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:54:55
Liverpool will finish where we are, we must have some of the most deluded fans in the world.we need players with pace and not kuyt adam an shelvey,just shows how bad are squad is when he wouldn't get into any team in the premier league only ours!!


Shelvey is actually a very good prospect

The southern red


May agree with Kuyt/Adam statement, but Shelvey is coming along nicely, can tackle, pass and gets forward.


Shelvey has pace and to be honest he has more promise than henderson.

ACHILLES. {Ed016's Note - his head is also stream lined}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:42:18
I am a Liverpool supporter over thirty years, but who wouldn't rather watch arsenal, spurs , city, Chelsea even Swansea?The point I'm making is to attract new supporters you need a decent product! If the club is to get back to the top without a sheik mansour we need supporters who will spend there money on Liverpool. If you were a kid who would you go watch?not the rubbish we've become accustomed to


Disagree with you, we have been playing
very attractive football most of the season, lots of movement and good passing, we've dominated possession. We lost against bolton and drew against stoke but we're playing good football.


Even if we played like Stoke i'd still want to watch LFC over any team in the world.

KT!


Ouch, but possibly some truth...


We played bad against stoke aswell so its starting to become regular that we play like this its only with suarez in the team that we greate chances , with no new players comig in inthink suarez will go next year


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:37:45
Ironic:

Blackburn Rovers striker and BBC pundit Jason Roberts on Twitter: "Balotelli...not 100% either way! For what it's worth I don't think it's a sending off but I don't think you can be sure. Movement was not 'natural' but he was facing the other way, and never glanced backwards. Only he will know..."


It's clear cut. Worse than Pepe's ugly stamp as it was more potentially dangerous. Disgusting behaviour afterwards too, as he smiled to the spurs players , pretending it was an accident. He , alongside Lescott for his elbow , should get suspensions.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:36:19
Oxlade Chamberlain is only 18 and he is now a regular starter in Arsenal. He was man of the match against Man U.What I want to tell is that what is KK waiting to give Sterliing, suso, Coady, Ibe or Morgan a chance in the first team.


What about Toni Silva RW. He is 19 next month and has been playing well. Camberlain gave everyone a lift. That's what we need


Regular starter after his first start? haha

KT!


1 start is a regular starter?


Exactly what I was going to write, we need these players to be introduced sooner rather than later, any of them would put in a better performance than Kuyt or Carroll and the fans would absolutely bring the house down for them.


Pretty sure Morgan 'll be a better option than Immature Carroll, Sterling better than Downing...whoh..Money wasted... Kenny has to take some blame come on Carroll for 35M.. kiss my ass.. we r robbed. 35M strikers score 20-25 goals per season....if u can't find a quality striker worth of 35M why waste it on an Immature just for the sake of buying a 35M striker..


Today was his first start


Not isn't!!


Ibe is like 14 why would he start?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:35:51
It is clear for everyone to see that the team not only lack creativity but also an attacking edge in the striking department. More importantly does Kenny or the owners. If the answer is no then we will continue to struggle. The good news is that Suarez will back soon.

Everyone has been critical of Kenny's signings. Suarez, Enrique and Bellamy have not been too bad have they?. To me Downing and Henderson look to have no confidence, Adam overweight and slow whilst Carroll looks unwilling to work hard.

Moving forward we do need a DM and a RW plus a striker. On Wednesday I would bring Kelly, Spearing (if fit) and Shelvey back in.

My team for Wednesday

Reina

Kelly Carragher Agger Enrique

Bellamy Spearing Gerrard Downing

Shelvey

?? (apologies Carroll or Kuyt not worth a carrott)


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:34:56
Were simply not good enough and the signings are awful,i think we should bring in the young players who are very eager and hungry.Sterling.morgan,suso,and shelvey bring these boys in they have to be better than players thats playing now.if kenny cant motivate the players maybe he can try the young ones,i have been watching them on lfc channell and look very good,remember fowler,owen,mcmanaman,gearrd all broke into team when they were kids,we cant go on the way we are,lets be positive kenny and give the kids a chance and push forward in a positive manner....irish kopitie


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:30:55
Hi eds I know it's not a rumour related question but just wondering I know luis Suarez is banned and the 8 match ban started against man city In the league defeat 3 0 but I'm just wondering when the ban finishes as people say its the middle of feb but my calculations if we count the city game in mid week plus man utd at weekend leaves 1 more match so affective ly he should be back for the match against Spurs is this correct eds ps top site by the way I've never posted b4 but read it every day thnx eds {Ed002's Note - You are correct.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:25:41
People defending the scottish league should look at some facts: scott macdonald (celtic), kenny miller (rangers), kris boyd (rangers) all were scoring bags of goals in scotland and anthony stokes (celtic) is scoring loads now ,yet he couldn't score in the prem with sunderland! Not to mention lafferty, healy! O.'K hansen, nicol, dalglish came from scotland! YEARS ago! Jelavic isn't what Liverpool need! And having a punt isn't spending £11million on him! It will be intersting to see who we buy! Because the next 2 games could prove pivotal in Lfc and kk season! Come on REDMEN! Prove your worthy to wear the liver bird on your chest! Y.N.W.A


Er pal, Carrol? your ex Torres? could not hit the proverbial barn door ha ha


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:22:36
I posted yesterday asking peoples opinion of who they would want as manager if fsg let kenny go but i got lost amongst the moaners and bring back rafa posts and didnt get many replies, so who would people want to come in, i cant think of many realistic managers that would do better than kenny, whats ur thoughts everyone and eds?

RED DOGG


I reckon Joachim Lowe, the German national team coach. He has created an exciting vibrant team, would be interesting to see what he could do, if he had permanent team to work with.
The only other one would be Jurgen Klopp of Dortmund.
Other than that there can't many other top class managers out there.
Si


I think kenny will take us to the summer and if he knows hes taking the club forward , then great , but if not then the german manger joachim low would be a good shout , young , attacking and he would bring some top notch german talent in..............lfc


Guus Hiddink


The special one


I said

Frank Rijkaard
Johan Cruyff
Guus Hiddink

or someone who would be a gamble - Frank De Boer.

Tom.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:25:32
So we buy Adam - who excelled playing with freedom in a midfield 3 where his lack of mobility was covered - and try convert him to an orthodox CM in a 4-4-2 or even expect him to play more a DM role when he clearly can't tackle. Is it his fault he looks rubbish? Even his set piece deliveries have gone to rubbish since he arrived. Why?

We buy Downing as a get to the by-line LW to supply Carroll then play him constantly on the right under instruction to play safe, not make runs fwd and always stop and pass back to keep possession and not try take players on. Is it his fault he looks rubbish?

We buy Hendo and a talented young box-to-box CM then try play him on the right where he as with Downing seems under instruction to stop, pass back and keep possession. Is it his fault he looks avg?

Carroll was a big unfit lug who bullied defenders but stayed in the box and scored a few from crosses. He now looks leaner and slightly fitter but weak and not winning battles against CD's. He also seems to being forced into linking up play which he clearly will never be a ball-playing CF. So why did we buy him? Is it a wonder he looks rubbish?

Perhaps we need to re-evaluate the way we playing and the players we buy. These were all decent players who have come to us and now look completely bereft of confidence and playing a way that doesn't suit them at all. Even our other players look clueless and all over the place. Kenny should settle on a style and formation and get players who suit it. I actually feel sorry for these lads. I do not think that they are not giving 100%. Something is def not right at the moment.

Chuck Norris


I'm just being honest and saying it's how it is, it's not good enough 7th and the way were playing at the moment, no point about being in denial, i agree give him till end of season and then see, but not looking good at moment, really hope we get 4th.

irish kopitie


Goood one chuck again,i posted the same last nite all of a sudden these players have turned bad ones,i dont think so its down to tactics and players out of position,then the team is low in confidence as a result of this,maybe we give some younger players a chance....


Agree but Carroll should simply never of been bought, a panic buy.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:17:49
We want the special one


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:16:38
Shocker yesterday but Kenny called it right ... the players just did not perform. The performance level will be back 4 next 2 games as we've always raised our games against the top 6 - so it will be interesting to see how we play against Wolves in 10 days time.

For now I think we need to look at re jiggn the team until the Suarez ban has completed.

1. Adam and Gerrard haven't worked well as a midfield pairing and Henderson doesn't make an impact at RM. I'd prefer Spearing and Gerrard as the two with Hendo in front.

2. I'd love to see a Kelly RB and Johnson RM for next 3 games ( but I know it is unlikely). I'd prefer Kelly at RB so that leaves RM as either Kuyt or Bellamy - has to be Bellamy if fit.

3. Instruct Carroll to just stay up field and create movement and Hendo to link up with him as much as possible. Some 1st time crossess into box would be good too.

I'm disappointed with the League performnces we've had so far bu I'm sticking by the team and manager and fans. Everyone's entitled to their opinion - its just that we have missed Suarez and Lucas so much, Kuyt seems to lost any form he once possessed and the new players (minus Carroll) have all started to have dips in form at the same time ( Downing was playing well at start of season, Adam had sum gud performances too).

The Carroll question won't ever go away until he starts scoring/contributing more or he leaves Liverpool. I think he has had poor service and other factors but I'd have expected a bit more from him. I think we have to agree that unless we play more to his strengths it mite take a while for the potential we gambled on to develop.

Then again I'm sure he cud deflect one in on Wed's and he will be a god, thas football fans for you, fickle as f***.

D 2308


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:07:34
Reina
Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique
Johnson, Gerrard, Shelvey, Downing,
Bellamy, Carroll


Best 11 we have, without Suarez or Lucas.


I'm sorry but Kuyt is better than Carroll! even though he's like a chicken with no head he's still better than Andy Pandy!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:07:32
Hey Ed's , i think the whole liverpool squad are pathetic and seriously disrespect the liverpool shirt with the exception of bellamy , suarez and gerrard , king kenny was furious after the bolton game and hinted he could axe players so my question to use is do use think kenny will do an massive clear out by the summer? my honest opinion and i think i speak for most lfc fans is they are NOT good enough , i love the club but ever since 2009 liverpool style of play with lack of quality really makes me sick sorry to say , its like you already know how the game will turn out to be after the 1st minute of the game , things have to change for once and for all !! {Ed001's Note - we are already in the midst of a mass clearout, it is just not easy getting rid of players that are on huge wages, no one will match those. Something we can thank Rafa for, dross like Degen and Voronin on obscene wages and refusing to take a paycut to move. Who on earth will pay Glen Johnson 90k a week on his present form, for instance?}


Ok ed but you see apart from 1 season rafa had liverpool in the top 4 every season and 2 champions league finals in a row, not to mention continously competing in the champions league, not just entering it. Can you seriously continue to criticise rafa when he took us 2 points away from the title? he is a genius, just ask a player who was managed by him, didi hamann.RedTurk


It certainly feels as though we got rid of a load of dead wood over the summer and then bought in the next generation of it - albeit on smaller wages.

Ash


Perhaps we should try and get Anzhi Makhachkala interested? They were stupid enough to pay £13m for Yuri Zhirkov after all...


Stop with the Rafa nonsence, so called fans like you are part of the problem at this club now. Rafa will never, never, ever be considered for another big job again


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:03:01
As much as I want to say we will be in the top 4 it is unrealistic. Teams win this league by beating all the teams they are supposed to beat. Even with losing here and there to the other top teams winning when you are expected to is what wins championships. Look at our record against lower tier teams the last 3 years. Not good.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 17:02:15
Liverpool need to scrap the notion that this squad is good enough, AGGER was the only penetrating force yesterday!
Johnson: Not consistant enough at RB should be a winger Kelly should start RB.
Kuyt: Fantastic servant but time has come.
Adam:Lazy gives the ball away, superstar in his own head
Downing: really think he has the potential, but potential wins nothing if you dont reach it,
Henderson: understudy to Gerrard! not a midfield partner yet
Maxi:needs to be moved on
Carroll: will never live the £35m down but has been very unlucky in most matches, no confidence, still hes not scoring and thats not good enough!
we need 2 strikers, cm and winger!
there are players not getting into starting 11s who need game time with the Euros coming up! we could take on loan to get us top 4 then go after our main targets with CL in the bag.
Cm
Ozil
Nigel De Jong

Wingers
A. Johnson


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:54:40
We want The SPECIAL ONE. Zaydan123


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:52:40
One of the reasons Man Utd have dominated for so long under Alex Ferguson is because he always buys players with lots of pace! Griggs, Ronaldo, Nani, etc. You need pace to be successful in the premiership, and our players are too slow to catch a cold! This is one of the main reasons why we can't break down defensive teams! Apart from Sureaz, we're too slow in attack!!


Craig Bellamy's the fastest attacking player not Suarez


I have been saying that to my LFC mates for ages. The speed of todays game makes it a necessity to have pace. Being quick of mind will only get you so far. {Ed016's Note - It has become more athletic, pace is a big factor but it will only get you so far (normally the touch line) and if you do not have the right intelligence you will only get so far, ala Babel, Cisse, Walcott, Lennon}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:49:26
Hi eds and everyone else,.
After sulking to myself over Saturday result I have come to a confusion and as ever the optimistic fan have come up with a theory.
Kenny took charge last year when we were deflated anddidnt rally hold any interest or threat in any competition.ie. no pressure
Every fan pundit and I bet some players now believe 4th is a hard task for us. I think we"ll do city on wed and tails will be up. For utd game. After this we will all be backing off with the abuse, the team should then perform as we always do feb on wards, suarez will be back watch car roll bang in 4 goals before he's back. We can only hope that the season continues as it has been for the likes of chelsea arsenal and spurs whereby they will lose or draw games unexpectdley. If'we can put a 10 game run together we can finish 5th and win cup and give the fa cup a good go it will be a steady improvment from last year and I imagine the books must be looking better with fsg in charge. Look we will be ok, need some quality additins no doubt to bed in ready for the charge in new season so we can start well. 4th isn't happening as if we win every game left our points tally will not be high enough to merit top 4 finish compared to last few years. 64 points is a minimum in my opion. Please post love the site, love LFC


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:47:37
I would like to wish all Chinese and non Chinese users on this site, a very happy Lunar New Year.

Keith YNWA


Gung ho fat chow,


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:38:06
Lots of people saying we will get there in the end - well never - if it's always one step forward two steps back.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:29:42
Just watching the Arsenal game.
I'd love that Oxlade-Chamberlain at Liverpool.
What happened to him in Summer ed, cos I know we were interested.
Was it just his old man wanted him to go to North London ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - he always wanted the Arsenal move.}


Would have loved ramsay


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:35:08
22 Jan 2012 15:25:00
Citeh 3 v 2 Spurs !
Good news in the race for fourth.
ANFIELDPETE

I agree AnfieldPete - but we have been in this joyous position before - only to watch watch them squander the opportunity


It's only good news if we take advantage of the opportunity...seen any evidence of that lately??

Fact is, with Chelsea and Aresenal showing cracks, the time is NOW for LFC to get back into the CL. That's why our recent efforts are all the more frustrating.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:34:49
Whatever players are signed now or in the summer it's pace we need. We are chronically slow and have been for some time. This isn't seria a, you can't break down teams with forwards with the mobility on an oil tanker. Kuyt, carrol,Adam, maxi etc all too slow!


Kuyt-slow plus age, Carroll slow-lazy even his pony tail swinnnnnngs slowwwwwwwly
Skyrtle cash in while we can? don't really need him, Maxi-age, thats it 4 players we won't miss and will at least get some money for? Put a another few bob in the pot and lets go shopping for 2 proper players a mobile and clever goalscoring centre forward and a midfield playmaker in the mould of Fabregas.
kidmillions


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:33:38
Heard from a very reliable source that Liverpools new stadium will be sponsored by Coca-Cola and be known as the Coca-Cola stadium and will be one oft he biggest stadium sponsorships in the world any insight into this Ed's ?! {Ed002's Note - Not right now.}


The way we sre playing,we would be lucky to get sponsored by fray bentos,


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:24:16
Evening eds and fellow reds , i know we were poor
yesterday ,and i think we could have problems over our next four games .so to try and save face i would go back to basics and if we have to use carroll how newcastle did then so be it . or our season will be over this time next week cheers psv


Thats what was tried yesterday


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:22:44
hey lads i have been doing alot of thinking especialy after yesterday, who are we kidding this is not liverpool football club like it use to be, we are not top 4 contenders maybe 7th or 8, its a joke like. new owners came in they have spent nothing, they spent the money they got from selling toress, babel ect. we cant sign any top players because they wouldnt come to us anymore, we need to do something quick and fast to let the club and owners no how us fans feel about it, lets face it we are goin to sign no1 either this month its not on, we signed carrol, henderson, adam, downing, i wouldnt put any of them in the reservs, we need to let the club no how we feel, and for them to show us support by spending money on top class players, not over rated youngsters that wouldnt score in a whore house with there pants down round there ankles and money falling out of there pockets, please edds post this, i want to no what ye and evry1 else thinks

thanks
abbeyfeale red


You're talking nonsense mate. We're 6 points off 4th and Arsenal and Chelsea, both of whom we've beaten this season, have to visit Anfield. I'd be willing to bet you were slating Lucas 2 years ago now he's one of our best players. Be patient. This time last year we were 13th Kenny's doing well.

Kieran.


I think you should make a banner, and take it to anfield, to show your support of how you would like the club to spend money, so i can see you on tv, bein the only person with a banner, and laugh at you. I agree we should spend money, but showing your anger and whatever you would like to do, is not quite the way to go about it

Carb


I would stop thinking mate


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:15:51
Everyone just needs to remember that no news, is good news.

Jolly Red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:14:07
Rafa first 38 games 58pts, Kenny first 38 games 67pts……. nuff said

5times*****


What did Rafa spend in his first 38?


Correct, but Rafa won the Champions League. {Ed001's Note - and Kenny has won the Premier League, which is meant to be our bread and butter. We need to start winning that first and foremost.}


Rafa won CL in those 58 games & FINISHED 5th


But wasnt we competing at the top level in europe midweek aswell not bad for a managers first season in a foreign league.. oh i seem to remember rafa won us the european cup in his first season with us nuff said


Kk has best success rate of any liverpool manager including shankly and paisley 59 per cent fact

alan waddle


Raga had the luxury of taking over Liverpool as a top 4 side. Kenny took over Liverpool as a top 12 team with CL footie no where in sight. Add to that the emergence of Citeh & Spurs & you see the job he has to do.

The Irish Rover


Pointless comparing two of the best LFC managers, they both did well, but apples ain't oranges. KD needs time to develop his team, Rafa has expressed an interest in managing LFC once more, but NOT at KD's expense. Expect KD to get all the time he needs to get it right, and he will

ferd


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:09:54
come on eds... give us some goss


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:07:10
Just answering some questions posted earlier on about results and gerrard being back . He's by far our best player but his best position is right wing , all his best goal scoring seasons have come in that position .people are worrying about Luis leaving what about pepe? I'm sorry to say I love kenny but HIS signings have been poor apart from Bellamy , Enrique , and maybe in time Henderson and of course Luis !


You mean all Kenny's signing minus 2?


So more or less everyone LOL!


Maybe but 75 mill on carol , downing , Henderson !!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:04:40
Does anyone else think it time to let Bellamy leave the club. He is poor excuse for a human being and doesn't deserve to be at such a good club.

"The foundations the football club have always been built on is respect for other people" kenny.

He really doesn't have any respect for other players.


What planet are you on ?? Give me 11 Craig Bellamy's on the pitch and we might be challenging for the title. He always gives 100% and maybe he does wind a few players up but the main reason is he is a poor loser. I wish we had alot more llike him with his never say die attitude !!

REDBOY


Wow! Finally someone blames Bellamy! How rewarding for the man who's had countless knee operations, yet was the only one who seemed to be willing to have a go at Bolton even if it meant giving an earful to Reo-Coker! Unbelievable! In my humble opinion, Bellamy should be rewarded with his own Kop song simply in respect to the effort he's been putting in!


What an idiot. Bellamy has Passion and fire in his belly and others can learn from him you plonker


Hes the only one that can or look like score. Cud any of ye see Kuyt latching on to the ball that Carroll layed off for Bellamy


I dont see what Bellamy has done wrong? The bickering yesterday with Reo-Coker goes back to the west ham days when Bellamy was filmed takin the mick out of him, Bellamy is a great player, gave it his all yesterday, probably the only Pool player to actually turn up, your off your head m8 if you want to let him go after half a season.

Carb


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:03:20
lets foret about signing anyone this month, i honestly dont think it will happen, expect KK to move back upstairs end of season, FSG wanted short term stability only....

In my mind we should be looking at Brendan Rodgers coming in the summer at least his teams play how we;d like lpool to play

He would be the best signing we could make, kk wont be given money to buy players the next manager wont want

Lots of rumours linking us with Swansea players but theres not much point in signing players who are playing well but wont play the same under a different manager, look at Carroll.....


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:01:01
for all those who care to Liverpool, you must say something, our team goes down, the team played without any idea, we have no creation., our great club Liverpool FC to be associated with names of players (not to offend anyone) Zhelev .. , Dyer ... Zaha .. folks this is LIVERPOOL Football Club = 18 titles, 5 = Champions League. We have tens of millions of fans around the world that I am the best example is from romania and I love this club and greatly hurts me to see where he got the club. only solution I see is JOSE MURINHO. Alone can bring the club up there where it belongs. It can attract players with value, and can bring trophies. Mr. Henry please bring JOSE


 

 

22 Jan 2012 16:00:13
Remember Kenny its only a game, don't take it too seriously, The old style of managing from top to bottom has long gone.

It doesn't matter if the team doesn't win week in and out. Its more important that your golf handicap doesn't slip

Mark Hughes


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:59:23
Rafa's time is gone....plz don't bring him back...Kenny is stabilizing the club the best he can. Bring in a new face.. but not now..in the summer if we continue to play horribly. Till then stop this Rafa bs. I just hope the owners are not as fickle..


It's not about being fickle - it's about wanting a world class manager and one that can attract world class names even if the club itself wouldn't really be able to due to the position they are in.
Rafa ricks both of those boxes - FACT!!


And alot will say his best isnt good enough


Then a lot will be wrong. No change there then

ferd


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:58:43
Soldado scored again in a stuttering Valencia side...granted we're more than stuttering but would like to think we would try our damndest to try get hold on this lad...fair enough if he doesn't wana join without champs league football and after ydays performance can't blame him but gota be worth breaking the bank for.

Also agree with other posts Krasic on loan would be a no brainer...might be a whinger but if we could get him on loan the boys got skills and wouldn't struggle to get a starting birth here to be fair.

Just think if we don't sign a right winger and a striker in this window we can kiss goodbye to top 4...although also understanding it's hard to get the right players at the right price but there are enough bargains around if we look hard enough even as short term options i don't think we take advantage of the loan system as much as we should!

Anyways lets hope ydays game was a once off bcos while we've dropped silly points a lot this season we've played pretty well in most games and just haven't killed off teams...yday was a complete and utter shambles and nice to see Kenny tear a few strips off them.

Hopefully we stuff city on wed and get a shot at some silverware...granted it's only the C.C but a trophy is a trophy at this current time and the way we're playing could be our way into Europe. Looking forward to having lil Luis back though will be like a new signing!

CMON U REDMEN!


Ed002already made it clear Juventus does NOT wan't to LOAN Krasic.

AG {Ed002's Note - If Liverpool wish to wait until the last minute and if he has not been sold, it may then be an option.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:58:23
Why dont people understand that the reason we are in this position is because we bought average players at ridiculous prices! the players we bought were at their clubs i.e... blackpool, newcastle, villa, sunderland etc.. for a reason. (no disrespect to them clubs) but how can we expect to be challenging for 4th with these players?

now we are being linked with morrison, dempsey etc.. these players are good for norwich, good for fulham, NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR LIVERPOOL!

Harley


Dempsey is good enough for anyone imo.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa


Arent you just a total idiot... so gareth bale is a bad player cause he came from southhampton


Ibrahimovic is bad because he played for Malmo?

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:58:13
I have a good feeling that against city, the players will come out all guns blazing to prove a point after the disgusting display yesterday and produce a good win which will in turn win us the carling cup final.
If not, serious questions need to be addressed.
Steve


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:52:11
Just watched the Spurs vs City game.
All I can say is Howard Webb is as blind as a bat.
I hope the FA rule on both the Lescott and Balotelli incidents, because both should have been automatic red cards.
I really fancy our chances against City (League Cup) if Lescott is suspended, think AC should give Savic a torrid time (hoping!).
Yes, I would love to win the EPL, but we are a way off that, so will settle for a cup victory (or at least a final), to bring back some confidence to the team.
Food for thought.


Balotelli especially. Sly and Dangerous. Then he had the cheek to pretend it was accidental to Parker himself.


What lescott incident are you talking about?


Lescott's forearm smash, can't recall the Spurs player, very nasty, dirty b**tard.


Lescott deliberate forearm smash to face of Spurs player, should have been penalty, and straight Red card, come to think of it, I think he was on a yellow already.
Craig Burley remarked on it, and said that will be on the DVD arriving on FA's desk tomorrow.


Lescotts forearm smash was on Younous Kabul (spelling).


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:51:28
Is it really Kenny's or Carrol's fault that Torres handed in a TR in the last few days of the window? Was it Kenny's or Hendo's fault Meireles couldn't agree on contractual talks? I'm sure he'd have to face the same kind of rubbish being thrown at him had he not bought Hendo or Carrol who was knocking in goals for fun at that time of the season! We'd have the same ol' "why is money not being splashed to replace our players?" had Kenny promoted a youngster who was as well struggling to find a foothold week-in, week-out! Thoughts....
Kenny-YNWA
sama491


Agree with you there, But KENNY could have defo kept Meireles. HE was one of our good players, and even I would be p*****d if an unproven youngster (no offence to henderson) earned more than me. He did really boost our chances of qualifying and I think it was a mistake to let him go.

PITSILFC


He wasn't knocking in goals for fun? He was injured.
kidmillions


Didn't Luka Modric also want a move to Chelsea. Tottenham forced him to stay and said no to player power.....look where they are now.

GuvTOB


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:51:03
I love the club dearly,but seeing us get spanked by bolton is making me question kenny,AGAIN,just like i did all those years ago,about if he is up to the job or not,dont get me wrong,his man management is 2nd to none,but if he cant see the problems in front of him he has to go!!,we need 3 of 4 players FAST,if he doesn't make this happen,i can see people turning on him !


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:50:33
Too many people with short memories on this site... remember when we were about 15th under Hodgson? Kenny has done remarkably well to get us to within 6 points of 4th place in a year, despite losing Torres and having Gerrard out for most of the year. 6 points is nothing we can easily still get champions league this season.

Kieran.


The bloody reason were 6 points of 4th is because chelsea n arsenal are hopeless also, its been a hopless season, hopefully we turn things around, we arent good enough for champs lge spot
how many points are we off tenth??
5 gold stars


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:50:21
Unlike apparently most on here, I don't feel the players or manager we have are "crap". What they are is significantly underperforming and to me what needs to be sorted is why? Last year, Carroll at Newcastle was a beast, moving constantly, making runs into the box and just generally being a nuisance. Adam at Blackpool (at least for the first half of the season) was amazing to watch even when playing against some of the best teams. So what's the problem? There likely are a lot of factors, but for me the biggest failing I've seen from KK is the team as a whole either a) aren't playing a position they're comfortable in (e.g. Adam playing too deep, Henderson on the wing, Carroll all by himself on the other side of the pitch, etc) and/or b) the players aren't real clear on what they're supposed to be doing. Both of these seem like simple fixes to me.

With respect to yesterday, personally I think KK should've pulled SG out at around 55-60 mins and brought on Jamie, moving Agger into a CDM sort of position. The team needed a leader on the pitch and yesterday, for whatever reason, Stevie just wasn't up for it.


Carroll clearly doesnt have the same passion for us that he had for Newcastle, quite simple really, u can train hard, try hard whatever but if his heart ain't in it he will never be the same, he was told to leave, never wanted to leave apart from the extra beer tokens he received, he can't lie to himself, the sooner we get rid the sooner we can get someone in that is interested in playing for us, how much time did he actually have to consider the move away from his home town? Couple of hours? Actually sympathise with the poor gypsy lookin sod.

Chiz


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:49:38
Forget Rafa as Kenny have nothing to do with Rafa leave or sty. if you guys say Rafa should give one more year may be yes. that was not even this owner or Kenny's decision. so sty behind the team and support Kenny. EPL top 4 use huge money its not easy to cope with them. need time a part of Carroll Kenny's sign is not that bad Downing start well but don't know why he look lost now. We miss Lucas so much and after Suarez suspension its hurt us so much.

-HHH-


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:43:41


Hi ed love the sigh.


This porb will not get posted due to the size but here it goes


I hate to say it, and I know I will get ridiculed for saying this form all the reds but we have to look at the reality of LFC and what we have become. We where once the team to beat, challenging for the title, and guaranteed champions league football every year. We are a poor team at the moment and certainly do not look like a champions league team.

We do not kill teams off, certainly do not score enough goals and I do not by the excuse that the all keepers play a blinder against us.

We have spent almost 100million in the last two windows on players who are not performing and are not Liverpool FC players. Even Saurez who has been our best buy in years has failed to score. Why have we not went and spent money on top quality players years ago when we had the chance like the likes of Matta, and silva to name but a few.

We spent 35mil on Carroll who is a 6.2ft 12stone power house who hasn't performed at all. When we could have gone and got a much better and more prolific striker like Radamel Falcao.

In Carroll's defence though, there is no the quality, no early ball which his style of play demands. This just emphases Liverpool are lacking real class and will fall away more and more in the season.

PS I am not blaming Carroll just emphasising how bad Liverpool fc are at the moment.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:40:41
A lot of people unhappy with our transfer activity in the summer, and lack of now.

We made mistakes in the summer in our strategy, not the "buy british" and "Premier League proven" but buy to get the best out of Carroll.

Last summer we should have built our team around Luis Suarez, our best player, not a player who has only played half our games.

Luis Suarez was sensational last season, we needed to buy in order to allow him to fully express himself, the players brought aren't the type to get the best out of him.

Downing, Adam, and Hendo were brought in for the crossing ability to service Carroll. I think Henderson would have been the only one signed had we looked to get the best out of Suarez. I remember Guillem Balague tweeting we had a choice between Mata and Downing, and we chose Downing. I was seething when I saw this! You can imagine Mata and Suarez linking up...

We need to act now in order to rescue our season! I have faith in KK to bring back the glory days, but he needs admit he made some errors last summer.

RedSG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:36:34
Groningen win 2 - 1 over Heracles. and D.Texeira on Target.

R-R


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:32:58
After watching the game yesterday I'm not
gonna rant and rave about Lenny going, in
fact he picked the perfect team (I thought)
the fact we played SO badly isn't his fault,
to be fair though, and i know I'll be slated for
saying it but, AC actually had a fairly good
game. His hold up was better, his flick-on
for bellers goal was what I've been wanting to
see from him, the biggest downside was the
performance of Adam, he wasn't at his best last
night, but I'm not slating the team, one bad game
doesn't make us a poor team!
We could do with some new additions, yes
ADDITIONS, not replacements for players. We
just need players to 'accent' the rest of team, all
we really lack is another striker (we have 2, the current
top 4 have 3/4) and some flair, possibly a RW,
but we need creating flair more than a particular
position. Personally I'd love to see Tevez, I know
it won't happen but with him wanting to show
City what they're missing he'd be a big addition


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:30:43
To all who want Rafa back

Think about why you want it?

There is no what Henry would have RAFA back as from statments made by Henry about the club after he took over Henry he is under the "right" impression that Rafa left a mess behind him.


I think it is safe to say that the mess was all down to H&G.
A lot of LFC fans would love to have Rafa back and it's quite easy to see why.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:28:57
Hey EDS

just wondering if i'm far off here:

January
Joao and David will join probably
and Krasic on loan

Hoilett and lLuuk and someone like a Mata/Ramsey in summer

What do you think ed? am i far off?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:27:41
Ive supported Liverpool for 27 years .If Mourinho became manager i would no longerfollow them. in fact i wouldnt care if they got relegated. Is it (a) i never was a real fan or (b) some things are worth supporting and some things arent . and a scumbag isnt.

D


You can't be so emotional man. Mourinho means trophy. Real may Lost To Barca again but Real will win La Liga. and at this moment beat Barca and win trophy is a Great job. so I will welcome Mourinho if he join us.


Never a real fan, you support the club not the man, whoever is in charge. Your the kind of person that dosent know what it means to support this great club. your privileged


If the manager delivers I don't care about personality


D what on earth are you talking about? Mourinho is absolute quality. He may be cocky and brash but he also takes the pressure off players by being the centre of attention. He has excellent man management skills, an excellent record and is just what this league needs again. I would love Mourinho at Liverpool regardless of what it cost. I know we all love Kenny as he is a legened at Liverpool, but we need to put that to one side to consider whether we think he is the person to drive us forward and i'm not so sure he is.

NeilP


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:25:00
Citeh 3 v 2 Spurs !!
Good news in the race for fourth.
ANFIELDPETE


Get real, you cant even beat a bottom three team,simple ,ya want to hope ya make top six, thats the problem with you supporters you automatically think because of ya club name you should be champions lge, but fact you are not good enough to be among the top boys ya might have to lower ya expectations.when ya manager buys dross for 100m(apart from ya south american forward) what do you expect.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 15:24:56
So for two weeks in a row the teams above us have all dropped points. If we would have won against Bolton & Stoke we would be sat in fourth by now....

Shame.


But they all say the very same thing!

MR EM


It is the end of the season that counts .

Qwerty


If yer granny had balls she'd be your granda


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:59:10
Just watchin City V Spurs. It's sad to say but we are miles away from their level.


We've played City twice this season, beat them once and drew once(should have won)

That's not miles away!

MR EM


I must have imagined them playing s**te and still beating us 3-0 at the Etihad then, get your facts straight person boy.


Miles away!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:58:08
I always said we should have gone in for Scott Parker and watching him every game i still maintain he is a fantastic footballer and would have been a huge addition if we had gone for him.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:54:22
The current liverpool team are a shambles.If we are honest we have 3 world class players in Gerrard,Reina and suarez and the rest are rubbish who wouldnt get into any top 6 side and sadly that is the problem and that is why we are only a top ten side now.


I don't think any of our back four are rubbish, Agger and Enrique would get into almost all of the top 6 and Johnson would get into most squads. Lucas is better than any holding midfielder bar maybe Scott Parker. I'll give you the rest through, well except Bellamy.

Papa G


On our day we can beat anyone in the top 6 - what lets the team down is fans like you! Please, please go & support someone else - it's free to do ... go for it mate.

dd


Lucas Agger Enrique would walk into any and i mean ANY prem team you helmet


Very true that we're not performing, but there's more than 3 quality players for the starting eleven...but we do lack depth. I think the following would start, but nobody else in the squad, bar young guys like Kelly, Spearing and Coates would get a look in any top 6 side:

Reina
? - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique
Lucas - ?
Gerrard
Suarez - ? - Bellamy

-Shane.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:51:55
Not a rumour I know but to move in the right direction as a club we must buy better players than we sell we must learn from making the wrong decisions in the transfer market ask yourself which 3 players would you prefer in our team Henderson Carroll and downing or Alonso mascherano and Torres i know 1 or 2 of these didn't want to stay at the club but these are the type of quality we need 3 of them would give us champions league football and 3 won't we are a big club let's start buying like one please post Ed would like to know your thoughts


Your right that they're better players, but weren't they all bought when we had champions league football?

Oh and for the record all three wanted to leave. Torres but in a transfer request, Masch went on protest and Alonso quietly and politely forced the move.

Papa G


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:49:27
eds. i'm reading alot of posts saying we should bring back rafa as we were always in the top four under him.but if i remember correctly when rafa was in charge the prem.was only a top 4 every year. man.u, chelski, arsenal and liverpool. know there is man city and spuds in mix surely thats more of a problem for kenny.plus the players kenny has signed have all played poorly apart from saurez, enrique and bellamy yet every player he signed were playing really well for there old teams last year. we are only 2 players away from being able to get into the top 3 or 4 a good striker and creative mid.
buddy's reds


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:45:28
Now is the time to pull together more than ever! Yesterday was dire no doubt and not putting in the 100% effort is inexcusable when wearing the red shirt.

I think we sit a good 30 yards too deep and do not commit anywhere enough men forward into attacks. No penetration or running in behind from anyone. Not to mention the lack of pressing the ball. I think it is more tactical then bad players personally. (Although Glen Johnson is just as bad has he has always been. How he keeps young Kelly out the team is a mystery.)

Which is why I find it all the more perplexing as last season when KK took over there was energy about our game. Pressing high up the pitch and runners from deep all over the place and we looked like we could score. Why the change this season?

Your thoughts please guys. I think if we can get back to the the style and system of the back end of last season then we can still nab 4th. A speedy winger please before close of play Jan 31st will help though. Why has no Liverpool manager addressed this problem for the best part of 15 years?

Thanks guys,

Davey


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:45:25
Not a rumour but since RAFA has left we have gone backwards. Let's get behind the team they need us more now than ever . One game away from wembley and then just a small matter of the F.A Cup on sat


Where did we finish in Rafas last season in charge again?

davethebutcher


Easy to say that Dave. History will be kinder to Rafa than to the plastics who wanted him out.

ferd


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:40:05
hi ed, i have read all the posts and we seemed to be linked with most players, kenny seems to be keeping quiet, do you think we will sign someone if so who? {Ed002's Note - We are not going to speculate - it is easier just to let people vent for a while.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:39:28
Afternoon Ed's. Do you think Liverpool should dip into the transfer market after last nights new low and try and sure up the team?

It might seem like a knee jerk reaction from a poor performance, but we lost points against the likes of Swansea, Norwich, Fulham, Wigan, Stoke, Sunderland and Blackburn. Now Bolton. It kills to admit it, but we look like a mediocre outfit, ineffective in front of goal.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:36:32
Rafa as manager , kenny in charge of youth , Steve Clarke as rafas number 2 ! The answer is there !


But what's the Question? Is it "What would make an unbeatable team of the decade in FIFA Manager 2012"?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:33:07
6 1st team players WILL leave this summer!.

The other thing I heard is they may bring Benitez back in the summer 2013 unless Kenny wins trophies and challenges for the title.

Upto now though, the owners have given the manager their FULL support.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:31:44
Scottybhoy

That's a nice thought I've got to admit. Would be nice.

Spriggo


Cheers mate, I love my two clubs dearly and Im into getting the boys into the first team. i look at barca and when you see all those players in the team that came through the reserves is amazing. Imagine in the new stadium with silva,sterling,adjorgan, morgan,coady, texiera and the rest winning trophys for Liverpool. I think thats why KK and DC are taking there time in assesing what areas to spend money in and what areas were going have a reserve player for, would rather see boys coming through than spending millions on over rate players. Not having a pop at any players at the club at the moment, Carroll with be a big part in this plan, as with Hendo, adam maybe, good squad player. So we all should be happy and enjoy the ride, there's going be ups and downs but that's football. Eds you's must get a sore head after we get beat honestly to many fans panic, great job bye the way YNWA

Scottybhoy 1888


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:24:20
I think Dalglish is being very stubborn, I love the man and always will do but if we don't sign any forward players in this window it will be a huge step backwards.
We need to really challenge for 4th and show everyone that we deserve to be in the champions league, if we finish 7th then come the summer we won't be signing the Hazards, Higuains or anyone like that we will be spending another 30 million on Nathan Dyer and Joe Allen!
Snap up Sow, sign Krasic on loan till the summer and see where that takes us. Not adding to our dire forwards - bar Suarez - would be a sin!
Come on Kenny! YNWA


Why do yee deserve to be in the champions league??what makes yee think yee deserve it,living on past glories as usual,time to join the back of a long que for the champions league places


Don't blame Kenny mate. He's gotta get RedTurk's signature on the cheques, and he's holding out !
The Real KB


Spot on, these fans are delusional,they have fallen down the pecking order lke newcastle,blackburn,(teams that were up there but now gone)


Why do you think kd will be given big money when he didnt buy well last time.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:16:42
I was gutted when Rafa left. Most of the older hands on here will remember how much I have tried to defend his reign. When I seen Hodgson arrive, part of me was thinking, well you never know, it might work out, but a large part of me was very uneasy. I expect a lot of fans felt the same, but kept their own counsel, prepared to give the new man a chance to prove himself. I felt exactly the same when Carroll came, I had a very uneasy feeling in my stomach, but was prepared to be surprised pleasantly. That said, it also occurred to me that 35m was too much to pay, NOT because I didn't think we couldn't afford it, but because I could never see us selling him for anywhere near it in 2, 3 or 5 seasons. That said, it has been said on here that Torres's price to Chelsea was Carroll plus 15m, so between them be it.

Despite criticizing Kenny's record on here over a year ago, sparking the David Speedie standard of player debate, I must stress that the very last thing we need right now is to sack Kenny. IT WILL IMPROVE. So if you come on here just to have a 500 word whinge about Kenny, please, please consider supporting Man City or Chelsea, because the real LFC fans are tired of listening to your whining. We are in this for the long haul, and we take the rough with the smooth. And when someone gives their all for the club then they will NEVER walk alone. We Are, and always will be, Liverpool Football Club.

ferd

"If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs and blaming it on you"


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:23:08
It hurts to see the team that you have supported for the last 10 years to perform in a way that they did against bolton. I know KD is to l'pool what fregie is to Utd , but i think he is missing a point. Being linked to Sow,Villa(before injury),Soldado and the rest is very promising, but the fact is we don't see beyond Defoe or some other young TALENT . The last time we got a talent it costed us 35 mil and gave us 6 goals in 35 odd matches. I know Kenny feels as devastated as us, but the thing is he has to take some strong steps to improve it. Eds , you and mecca know more than most of us about our transfer policies, but do you think we can put that extra effort and get some international big shots???Thankyou - IndianKopite


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:22:33
why have we not blood any talent yet?
spurs do it arsenal do it man u do it
everyone but liverpool have done it give coady ect a go !
dannybhoy


Flanagan, Kelly, Spearing, Shelvy....
ItsNotRocketScience


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:16:42
Its not all doom and gloom after yesterday. We are still in two cups and have a good chance of winning both.

Lets be a little more patient and wait until the end of the season and see what trophies we have before passing judgement. One thing is for certain though, if the players did have their mind on the next two games it is down to Kenny as manager to keep their mind on the game at hand so he should take responsibility for that failing.

It seemed to me yesterday we had a distinct lack of teamwork and organisation. There were times when adam and Johnson were at CB while Skrtel and and Agger were both attacking.

I cant see us bringing anyone in now, I cant imagine FSG granting more money to Dalglish in this window. I think he will be told to work with what he's got, not as if he hasnt had anything to spend. The problem up front is a tricky one,I think Carroll did ok yesterday, he set up one goal and if Bellers had spotted Gerrard in the middle when Carroll put him through he wouldve contributed to another.

How come many posters on here are happy for Suarez to create but not score but when Carroll does it they say that he was bought to score? If Carroll creates goals whats the issue? Good enough for Suarez, good enough for Carroll. Bit worrying now that even Carroll has more assists than downing.

Stop crying for Sow everyone, yeah he might have issued a come get me plea but that doesnt make him good enough. I've watched him a few times and he is no more clinical than what we have and doesnt add anything. We lack a fast box poacher and he is not one of those. If anything he is too similar to Suarez but less skillfull and not as hard working. As much as we need a striker who can actually strike a ball into the net I think we should wait until summer, if we cant buy the right player we shouldnt buy any player.

Rewflo


 

 

22 Jan 2012 14:15:26
Ed's our Liverpool have been exposed by lesser resourced teams this season.

We need that touch of class that can be found on the Continent either South America or Main land Europe.

The British players we have invested the best part of £75 million in, such as (Carroll £35m, Hendo £20m and Downing £20m), have been far worse than poor, scoring a total of 6 goals and a total of 2 assists in 21 games.

There are other four letter words that would better descirbe the performance of the aforementioned players, but i hope the disgust in this comment is still detectable to the reader.

I still remember when Comolli threw Jol under the bus because of Comolli's signings under par performances at Tottenham. I don't want to see Kenny Dalglish, the legend go the same way.


Comolli signed Bale, Modric, Defoe, Kaboul, Assou-Ekotto and Dawson... Tottenham are where they are now partly thanks to him. Carroll and Henderson will come good, like those players did for Spurs.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:55:38
Keep kenny until end of season and then get the special one.he will put the fear in every team who plays Liverpool,his man management is second to None


Which player wouldnt want to play for the special one


Didn't the special one spend 80m- 100m in his first season and win the epl?


SOUNDS GOOD irish kopitie


Sure, hire Mourinho. If you really want to throw money at the league, then hire a guy who specialises in it. And indulging himself. And causing friction at a club. I'm sorry, but there is only one destination for a man who is so arrogant, so petulant and so manipulative. A man who needs 450m to do practically anything. and that's down the road in manchester, at old toilet.

ferdia


Jose doesn't have to be in the champions league to attract world class players,every player would die to play for him


He is a spambag and if he becomes manager i am through with Liverpool .


Lol, £100m at 2004 prices !
You can double that now, easy.
And didn't Mourinho say he'll never manage Liverpool ?
The feeling's mutual..
The Real KB


Mourino was a reds fan and his favourite player was kevin keegan, lfc wanted him as manager but made a mistake trying to talk to him in manchester before porto played man u and beat them at old trafford we got rafa instead, and he thinks the kop are the special ones!!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:45:59
In:
Krasic-Loan
Granero-8m
De Jong-15m
Total: 23m

Out:
Carroll-Loan
Kuyt-10m
Maxi-6m

Reina

Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique

Krasic Gerrard Adam Downing

Suarez De Jong

Subs: Doni, Kelly, Carragher, Henderson, Granero, Spearing, Bellamy


Love your enthusiasm. 10 million for Kuyt? Maybe a rich team like Man City would buy pay that to coach their youth squad, but no team would pay that for his footballing ability at his age. Loaning Carroll is equally as ridiculous. He is our only striker! And your "ins" is only a regurgitation of random rumors generated over the past month. Thanks for throwing in the freshest two (Krasic and Granero). I am not Macca, but I am confident none of these will happen. Kenny has said as much himself.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:45:49
Macca is really reliable , as you know everyone may get one or two wrong but how many times has everyone on here just waited for macca to post something? thats because everyone sees him as the reliable one unlike everyone else who just posts rubbish and what there fantasy team would look like if they got to sign players were ''linked with and put in a bid for''

LFCHero :)!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:41:48
Just a quick one, would anyone actually be happy to have rafa back? Yes-believable No-unbelievable.

Just wanted to know peoples thoughts coz there's a lot of people on the echoes website asking for his return.

Cheers REDant.


I rather have the special one


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:10:45
kenny is the man he knows he has made a few mistakes he will put them right by bringing in one or two playes befor the window is up and he will give some of the youngsters a chance to fight for the top 4 ynwa


DOM LOVELOCK


Did he phone you after the game to tell you he has done wrong?

No, didnt think so. so stop spouting rubbish.


The top 4 is gone forget aboiut it for this season.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:38:54
To all you lot talking about dalglish going , u lot can go and support another team deep down all you lot are just sulking cause a striker hasn't been brought in , maybe if the fans turn up a bit of atmosphere at home we might have turnt the draws into win , kenny has come in got the team playing good football got MOST of the fans togeva , and u expect sucsess straight away I think kenny deserves a bit more time and bit more respect after everything he has done for the club on and especially off the pitch some of u so called supporters make me sick ,


Nobody truly wants Kenny to go. We just want to change something to get the team winning again. What other option do we have? Dip into the transfer market is reasonable, but Kenny said he is happy with his squad. It is not fair, but in all sports, when things don't go as planned, the manager usually takes the fall. I am not sure why the same standard shouldn't hold for Kenny simply because he is a former Liverpool great. Kenny knew when he took the job that it was a high stakes affair. Surely he knows that this is in the end a business, and who is going to sit back and watch millions go down the drain? Nobody with business acumen, as FSG have. Changing managers has been shown many times to be effective, as you can see at Sunderland. That being said, I don't want Kenny to be sacked, but your comment is just as ignorant as those that are screaming for a sacking. In my opinion, blind faith is no better than no faith. There has to be a middle ground.


I think they might be sulking because we just got beat off second from bottom and every single team that visits anfield expects to leave with points.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:10:03
does anyone think us...the fans are going O.T.T a win or draw against city and were at wembly.then we beet man utd and kennys the real deal.can we try and keep level headed let kenny make some tweeks to the team and the playing pattern,us the fans need to make the atmosphere hostile and intimadating.and we will do the two manchester clubs and all will be well............THE TANK


I think Kenny will (and should) play 5-4-1. This is very defensive, but lets be honest, if we played 433 or any other formation, we still won't score a goal against City. Another way of looking at it would be 352, which is a little more offensive in theory, but if we did that, I am sure it is an offensive formation in a defensive mindset, so as to not let Man City simply apply pressure for 90 mins. This makes some sense, but this certainly won't guarantee any goals.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:33:28
lfc were without a dm so they played charlie adam in the middle, for most fans on here saying kenny gives the youngsters a chance, why did he not give conor coady a chance not even 45mins? could he be any worse then charlie adam? this is a sign of a good manager, kenny's line up was not right at all, but then the players he bought are not able to achieve what kenny wants from them, but quite frankly any average fan could of told you last season all these british players are pretty average and won't get you challenging.RedTurk


Honestly mate I read this site all the time, not a avide poster but the s**te you post really really bores me. Yes this is a banter site and some of the lads that post reg get things spot on, but all you do is moan about KK, Moan about Andy, moan about Adam, Henderson etc etc. I live in Scotland, Im a celtic boy and Ive heard some fans over react through the years but your post bore the life out me Red turk, You never post anything Interesting you just rip the pish out of OUR players. Yes there maybe problems on our new journey to get back to the top, but in my bones I couldn't be more happy with the progression so far. I kind of see the bigger pic when you look back and see whats going on at the academy. Just imagine in 3/4 years, new stadium and just maybe we might have 7/8 players in the first team that has came from the youth setup. Only Barca can boast with something like that, and i think we all need to look at the bigger pic. we will be back where we belong, with a team of worldclass players that came from the youth setup, to me that would be amazing to win things with a team we made a nurtured and not spent trillions asembling it. IN KK I TRUST, YNWA. Scottybhoy1888


Here we go again. Why watch the team if you dislike them so much? Most miserable poster I have seen on here. Misery guts, moaner, melancholy tripe talker.
Ultra happy red


Remember it is easier to destroy something than create it!

Hindsight is a glorious tool to mock others with, but it is the poorest at making yourself seem clever!

You say: "kenny's line up was not right at all"

Now give me a running breakdown of not only the formation, starting 11, subs but also a detailed rationale for each of your ideas.

Then I want a detailed rationale of how we should control each 1v1 duel including moving across zones of the pitch
then a detailed squad plan of moving in the defensive third, middle third and final third as a unit without the ball. After that I need your plan for moving through the three thirds whilst in possession of the ball.

Then I need a detailed summery of Bolton players, strength's weakness's and general information. Then a detailed formation plan for their last 3 formations played, listing all area with key areas clearly highlighted.

Then I what you to set out a weeks worth of 2hr session plans clearly showing how we are going to create small sided games, phases of play etc to increase the chances of your plan working.

Then I would like to see the drink you will use to make the players robots.

Or is it easier to just make some cheap comment.
K79


To be fair there hasnt been alot of positive things recently to be posting, carling cup semi, red turk is saying how it is, you do get the 4 ever optimists who p[ost what you like to hsee, so you have your balance, you cant let people get to you , i wouldnt mind if redturk was telling lies but hes basically telling thye truth to a large degree
5gold stars


I watch the team because I am like to torture myself you know scurge myself it purges the soul.


Should of put coady on the the bench AT LEAST but everybody makes mistakes and i think everyone thinks we were crap yesterday (we were)
ynwa shanio1


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:31:46
Eds please could you do us all a huge favour and delete any post that keeps thinking we play the classic 4-4-2 as they obviously have no clue about our football
our main set up is 4-3-3, we play with a DM and two natural midfielders and upfront we play with one target striker and 2 supporting players (not classic wingers)
Without the ball we resort to a 4-5-1

On the odd occasion we will mix it up depending on player availability or opponents or one off games

Thanks

Leam Red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:31:03
Hi

Just 2 points of observation,

1. We were seriously missing a DM yesterday.

and

2. Our attacking players were playing too deep as well because our hold up play up front was non existent.

Hopefully we turn it around for the remainder of the season.

YNWA-SA


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:30:19
I find it very interesting how blokes on here compare Kenny to Rafa and say that Rafa wasn't a great manager. Are you people joking? First of all, we can't judge kenny yet, as it is still too soon. He, like the team itself, suffers from his history. He won a few titles eons ago (and I will remind you with very good teams, including Blackburn) and then came in with a good attitude last season which seemed to help (as did the arrival of superstar Suarez and the hope of future glory). The expectations of Kenny far exceed his actual managerial ability and that isn't his fault, its our fault for expecting so much, as we do year in year out, based on the foundation of a history long gone, though obviously not forgotten.

Rafa? In my opinion he was a genius. He never had a bench and was never given 100 million to build one. People here seem to forget that Rafa managed us through several concurrent leagues, including the CL, and really had to focus on CL and PL at same time with really only a handful of 'stars'.

I am not in any way saying to sack Kenny, that's ridiculous. But I think we need to put Rafa's reign in perspective. Kenny only has to focus on the PL, and we are essentially a mid-table team, marginally better than Norwich city, Stoke, etc. despite the fact that the fee for Carroll could have bankrolled any team below us in the league (I did not research the budgets of each team, but this is still a reasonable statement).

In the end, Kenny will be judged like any other manager on any other big team. I am Canadian and know quite alot about how John Henry and co. do business. This past year their beloved Boston Redsox crumpled at the end of the season and were pipped from the last post season spot on closing day. This after hundreds of millions invested. They did exactly what one would expect, they let go of the manager, even though he is well respected and brought the team to past glories. I hope Kenny pulls the squad together and makes a go at it for the rest of the season, but the owners have stated that 4th was the goal. They would be entirely reasonable to let kenny go if we finish in 6 or 7th, which is currently where we are heading. I for one would not think a reappointment of Rafa would be out of the question.

People say that Rafa brought Liverpool to disaster and then Inter. I think there were several issues that allowed both to occur and Rafa is hardly to blame.

Looking forward to Man City, though, if I am being honest, I think we were exposed defensively against Bolton due to lack of controlling DM. Spearing might work, but he is not Lucas. Since we have proven week in week out (and this is without argument) that we have no scoring ability, then we will need a 0 - 0 realistically to advance. Perhaps, if we got a lucky penalty we could do 1 - 1. Beyond that, I would be really dreaming. I am behind the team 100%, but we could be due for a real thumping on wednesday, and if so, the word 'crisis at Liverpool' will be all over the media. We all know how that went a few years back for Rafa...

Coop


I agree with you to an extent.

Rafas stint at inter was marred by injuries to his key players and then when he asked for funds to buy replacements or give the squad depth he was told no. Ironically after he was sacked Moratti then sanctioned several transfers.

At LFC Rafa was shackled by H&G but didnt help himself by becoming involved in boardroom politics, playing silly games with the media and treating several players with utter disrespect (Alonso most notable). He never actually managed the players and whenever a problem came up with players he sold them instead of doing what a manager should and resolving the issue.

He is a truly great tactician, and has proved that everywhere. He is not however a great manager, he should be given control of team and tactics and assisted with transfers his demanding behaviour cost his job at Valencia and Liverpool and Inter (Though I would say he was right at inter). Unless he was willing to change those issues he would not be able to manage Liverpool.

Rewflo


Coop that's good, reasoned post. It's refreshing to see we still have lucid fans, and even more refreshing to see Rafa's reign remembered for what it actually was, rather than the Manc media narrative a lot of so-called LFC fans seem to remember it as. Christ, we have even had so-called LFC fans on here refer to Rafa by the manc nickname. Fans like that we can do without. I would like to see Rafa come back, of course I would, but not until Kenny has had a fair chance, and he is doing OK up to now. We have played some great, even fantastic football this season, we have a good record against the other 4 or so clubs at the top with the exception of Spurs. I believe KD should get a minimum of 3 seasons to show us what his vision is. We owe him that at the very least.


ferdia


Rafa was terrible.

Bought 75 players only 5 could play

Alienated Gerrard

Humilated Alonso

Lost it completely with his rant at saf and cost us the EPL

Liverpool were so defensive under Rafa we parked the Bus more often than not and loved to draw

Get real FFS


The so called 'rant' didnt stop us from winning the league.


Yeah, and BTW, who is saf? Round here I think af will suffice you manc infiltrator


"The so called 'rant' didnt stop us from winning the league."

So we won the league then under Rafa?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:19:28
Just look back at the squad that raffa built, and compare to what we have now. I think a few examples, show on paper just have average we have become, and where former players now play


08/09 Current Team

Ãlvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid

Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid

Javier Mascherano - Barcelona

Fernando Torres - Chelsea

Yossi Benayoun - Arsenal



11/12 - Purchased from



Adam - Blackpool

Carroll - Newcastle

Downing - Aston Villa

Henderson - Sunderland







I still believe that the current squad is nowhere near good enough to get top 4. We are becoming a mid table team, and buying mid table players. It seems that many supports are happy with this, and happy with playing for the Carling cup. People have even state there would rather win a cup than get in to the top 4? If we are not in the Champs league we have less money, and top players dont want to come. So we grow weaker as the other top 4 teams are getting stronger.

We are Liverpool we should be in the top for no question, and later stages of the Champs league. Under Raffa we where there, and beating the top teams in Europe on a regular basis. No we cant even beat team like Bolton.

I am to young to remember Kenny first time round and as a player, I have respect for what he has done and means to the club, he is a legend. But i have always felt the game has moved on to much for him, nowadays. As a current manager i feel that many fans over-rate Kenny as much as they under rate Raffa. People seem to forget the conditions that Raffa had to work under with the 2 Muppet's in charge at the time. Raffa did make some bad buys and mistakes, but when he did have £20mil or more to spend we got world class players.



Given our current situation i think Raffa would be the only worldcalss manager who we would be able to get at the moment. Because the longer we are not in the top for the harder it will be to get world class players simples!



rushdentillidie {Ed001's Note - do you actually have any idea about football?Where a player is bought from is not indicative of their ability at all. Did we buy Arbeloa from Madrid? No, we bought him from Depor because he had failed to make the grade initially at Madrid. The club they come from is irrelevant, Rush came from Chester.}


Sorry ed i agree with you too a point but this is not the 80s mate, you cant find those kind of players in britain anymore, all you get now is over-priced 'british talent' when you can get under valued foreign players, jus a have look at newcastle just got promoted again, bought a few foreign players on the cheap with good scouts and they are above us.RedTurk


I understand that the team where a player is from, has no impact on how good the player is.


The point that I was trying to make is, we are selling world class players and replacing them with unproven players at a higher level. Where we should have been added quality players to the squad. I would us rather spend £40million say on one world class player, but who will have an impact, rather than buying 5 or more players. We always hear about the players that we are meant to be after i.e Mata. But then we end up getting downing for around the same money, and that is the way it will stay until we get into the top for again. Paying over the odds for over rated players.

Which brings me back to Raffa, and how much i feel he over overachieved while at the club, and what he did at Valencia before that. Hopefully if he was given a 2nd chance he would be able to do the same.


rushdentillidie


The thing you failed to grasp is that those players we bought where untested at the highest level. Many of them failed at the highest level the first time around...

Reina - Barca reject who went to Villareal
Arbeloa - Madrid reject who wetnt to Depor
Alonso - came from Sociedad

Good player can still be found at supposed lesser teams.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:17:50
I have a feeling the Bolton game is a big wake up call and from here on out we will see a very different Liverpool display on the field.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:17:29
this is what alot of the people are like on this site:

I have been suporting Liverpool since 2005 when we won the Champions League and are in know way a glory hunter.
Kenny Dalglish has no idea of what he is doing he has made terrible transfer signings. We should get Torres, Xabi Alonso and Rafa back, because Rafa has been the most successful.
We should sign moussa sow (or someone we else we have been linked to) because he is a shiny card on fifa, i ve never seen him play in a live match only highlights of him on youtube, he looks really good.
This is what I have to say to those of you who match the description above; GO AND SUPPORT ANOTHER TEAM! Why dont you support your local team instead of a team 1000 miles from where you live. IF you still decide to suport Liverpool why don't you actually support them instead of bitching and moaning, not every team can win every match.
The problem is that most of you dont live in the real world, Liverpool is not the same as it was in the 70's and 80's.
The whole idea of watching someone on youtube and saying they're amazing is stupid, IT IS A SELECTION OF HIGHLIGHTS TO SHOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT IS GOOD YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE ONE FOR DJIMI TRAORE.

So to those of you who think rafa is the answer you are deeply mistaken. rafa lost us the league in 2008/09 with his reluctance to finish teams off e.g. arsenal away. we drew far to many at home tht season aswell but did you call for his head? I think not, he forced alonso out to replace him with aquilani who isnt fit to lace alonso's boots.


I agree that Raffa did make mistikes. But at least we where in the Top 4 and Champs league MOST seassons.
We should never have sold Alonso, but aquilani i feel was never given a chance here. Just goes out on loan, to milan, but surely that means that he most be doing something right to get in there team.


This season is a bit different from Raffa's
days as manager. You've got city mega money to consider and spurs are also a team challeging at the top. There are six strong clubs up there this year.


I agree with what you say about people who want instant success and superstar players. Il gladly stick by liverpool through the tough times as I always have. Been supporting the team my whole life but one thing really gets on my nerves, it's when fans like you tell other fans to support their local teams. Liverpool doesn't belong to you or scousers in general.
Liverpool wouldn't be the club it is today if only scousers supported them.

Ashy


Agreed Ashy, there's massive support over here in Ireland, and we go over as often as we can


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:15:58
Some of the comments on here are disgusting I question if some people actually support the club because the abuse is shocking tut tut :o) yes results could be better of course and not all players have fulfilled the expectations that you placed on their heads unfairly sometimes. But also we have to accept it is not our God given right to be top of the league show some humility and accept the fact it will take time as they say rome wasn't built in a day our slogan you'll never walk alone almost makes me laugh these days it only seems to be true when we are winning and not when it's actually supposed to matter anyway rant over have a good day all

Reydelmundo


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:22:56
gonna say this again we are carrying 5 well below average players carroll henderson adam downing johnson we will never win anything unless we have over haul and get rid .we are light years behind city utd spurs chelsea arsenal. team selection is poor players have no desire if this carrys on i think the king must go. bad transfer buys at overinflatted prices.then give clarky full control.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:20:06
Get behind the players and the manager. There what we have so we have to make the most of it and IMO drop Adam he's slow and he always gives away free kicks and swap him for spearing or move gerrard back and put shelvy am and the team will be half decent.
Team v city

Reina
Kelly. Skrtle. Agger. Enrique
Gerrard
Downing. Hendo. Bellamy
Shelvy
Carroll

Get behind the team and kk and don't turn into Blackburn. We are better than that.

Eric the red.


Bellamy won't play as he can't play 2 games in a few days

Hans


I like this. Adam is not in good form and Shelvey is hungry. We need Bellamy's speed but can his knees take it? He just ran 90 mins against bolton. Also, Kelly should start. Johnson needs a kick in the pants


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:07:48
I fully believe that Dalglish will turn it around. His tactics however have been poor and Carroll needs support. When suarez returns, they need a run of games together!! Not a game here and there! Wingers are a must, cant see why Hiolett hasn't been looked at unless we are waiting till the summer.

I do believe we need to keep tabs on young managers such as Brenden Rodgers & Paul Lambert. If they can show consistency over a couple of years. (Not one year) Then they will be perfect for the job. Positive attacking managers who are not afraid to play attractive football. Good long term replacement for Dalglish with him moving back upstairs after putting the club back on track.

Patience is the Key for now!!

Great site but posters need to be realistic and patient!

DJR


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:02:33
people go on about bad buys benitez made. well if we sold carroll for 10 milllion and lost 25 on him that would be benitezs net spend on all players bought and sold just on one player?


22 Jan 2012 17:46:23
I like you idea and I also liked RB and would like to see him back however his total net spend was £78m - everything KD spent in one window


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:01:36
Has anybody else notices that are mini crisis has started since a certain midfielder has returned to the 1st team.


You should be fu**in' banned for just sayin that alone.
furqan.


You are joking right. smh
YoungRed


I for one agree to a certain point i think he should play but in a wide ryt role or up top in the centre i think he jus demands the ball to much when the play doesnt need to go to him. we were much more fluid with jay lucas an raul

belfast red adam


You really are a t1t for thinking that!

YS


I have heard some Rubbish on here (some of it from me) but that about Gerrard is the biggest load of old pony I have ever heard.

If that's what you think go support everton


 

 

22 Jan 2012 13:00:47
To all of you saying that Dalglish has failed because the team weren't focused. Just think on about what you are saying - once they ae on the pitch that's the Captain's job so if Dalglish is failing then so is Gerrard.


Gerrard done nothing yesterday as of most of the players.
bellamy was the only 1 who showed passion an determination yesterday an he was a free signing.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:59:52
Hello to the Ed's and Hi all,

In my humble opinion, these are my views of the club I love and in no-way do I condone the calls for Kenny to leave, here is why¦

This summer I would like to see Kuyt and Maxi leave, as much as they have offered in the past, time to move on!

I have stuck by him, hoping he will change, has not showed me anything to think that he has or wants to remedy his current situation; I expect if he does not pick up, he could possibly determine his own fate at Liverpool Football Club¦ Andy Carroll.

Glen Johnson offers so much going forward, better in defence but not good enough to aid the team. We have two great, young RB's in Martin Kelly and John Flannagan as cover; perhaps consider selling Glen to earn some more money to better the team.

As for Downing and Adam, I would personally give them a chance, another season (2012/2013) as stepping up to a big club from two lesser clubs has more pressure than we know. They are both good at international level so we just have to coax them into that form, regularly for LFC.

It is notable when Lucas plays, Adam is a much better player, works harder for the team and because of Lucas' defensive abilities, Charlie is able to get forward and spread balls left, right and centre. As for Downing, he cannot and will not be utilised to his full potential at LFC until we have a right winger. If he plays on the left wing, our attack is all left-sided and completely disturbs the balance of the team and the opposition often play that to their advantage.

Jordan Henderson, his potential brought him to the club, he will get better with time, once settled. Jose Enrique and Craig Bellamy are two great players both in attack and defence.

The summer is a long way off, I am not the manager of this club but my opinion is that Maxi, Kuyt, Andy Carroll and Glen Johnson must go to pastures new. It is not directly their fault, as the team are responsible for their own doings. However these individuals particularly against the lower half of the table's teams, are not able and rarely do step up and work harder than their opposite man. For that reason, they affect the team, the morale is low, because errors are being made, there is no fight from them like you would see Luis Suarez and Lucas Leiva, constantly giving their all.

So really, I feel that February is the crux of our season at the moment in terms of results and the possibility of 4th place. We are heading forwards but we have stalled at the 1st hurdle, being Champions League Qualification. The players need to step up and get over that hurdle.

Cheers,

LG.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:58:53
Basically there was just no protection for the centre halves yesterday against man city the other week spearing did good untill he got injured-gerrard and adam both wanted to go forward leavving mark davies and reo-joker to run through the middle-so ALL IT MEANS IS THAT WE MISSED A CERTAIN LUCAS WHO PEOPLE WERE SLATING THIS TIME LAST YEAR BUT LUCKILY WE GOT SPEARING CMING BACK IN THE NET GAMES!!

RAFAS RED


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:55:52
I don't blame people for feeling a little dejected at the moment, but come on, some of the posts are bordering on the ridiculous. Suarez is not going anywhere, if you bother to read his tweets he is itching to get the red shirt on again and win trophies. Does that sound like someone who wants to leave? I think not. Charlie Adam is not Gerrard, but he is a work horse. People couldn't sing his praises enough when he was at Blackpool, but now he wears a red shirt it's deemed acceptable to knock him down for his imperfections without praising him for the things he does do right. Granted, there are aspects that, like most other red fans, I would change. I would give Martin Kelly a starting place for example, and I would encourage Andy Carroll to make the sort of runs he used to do at Newcastle. The club is in a period of transition, and no, I don't think the Chelsea or Man City approach of buy all the quality to get a quick fix is the right way to do things. Clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Milan have all been in our situation, and well, we all know how they turned out. We are in a fortunate position that our owners want to take the club forward with a good long term plan that will see us back at the top of English football with a squad that is totally united. Can city or Chelsea say the same? Look at the way Tevez has been treated by the club and it's fans, and look at the deplorable attitude of Chelsea fans in light of the blatant abuse dished out by John Terry on Anton Ferdinand. We will come good because WE ARE LIVERPOOL


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:49:14
What a surprise, we lose a game, and now people want Kenny to be sacked. People seem to be so short sighted, last season we had one of the worst squad I have ever seen on my life time, We have had to buy so many players in a short space of time, and people just expect them to gel. It was never going to happen, I am not a fan of Downing or Adam, and I would us rather we signed Mata, but they are here, and I will support them.

So if we sack Kenny who are you going to replace him with? there are very few great managers, that would be available, and can they handle the pressure of being in charge of a club like Liverpool with the expectations, every manager needs time, it took Ferguson many years, so I think we should stop slagging players and the manager off, and get behind the club.

Ross


What a surprise we lose a game and everybody kicks off? Its not a case of losing a game, its the manner in which we lose and its the fact we look completely incapable of actually scoring a goal or more than one goal per match, the look of zero confidence and belief is ridiculous, its not a reaction to one game is it? This season so far has been a total fail, champions league we shall not get, Europa league we shall be stuck with and we won't attract the top players playing in a Mickey mouse cup like that, we stick with our club through thick and thin, we are entitled to our opinion just as Kenny was last night, so take your im to much of wonderful fan head out of the sand and go back and watch all our home games this season and our defeats and you'll maybe then see why people aren't happy eh lovey! {Ed001's Note - the whole season has been a failure has it? I must have been mistaken then, I thought we were still in both domestic cups, but obviously I am wrong.}


We wont be coming next week a cup run is not what we need 4 th n competing for the title is what liverpool is we not stoke or portsmouth a cup run ?


Come on surely the carling cup is not the aims for our club now. Most teams play there b teams.
although the Man Utd match will be the test for me, If we can win this then we can win the cup


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:48:05
The team should share in the blame for yesterdays defeat. KK can prepare them, plan and set tactics, if the team are unable to implement then who is to blame really, what about the Captain, where was the leadership and motivation, senior players wilted, leaving the newer acquisitions to take the blame for all.
The whole team, management, coaching staff etc, must share in the criticism.
It is a "Team Game"...


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:47:00
ed1 or ed2 do u tink after yesterday do you think we mite see sterling in the squad now? {Ed001's Note - impossible to say, he still doesn't look ready to me, but the coaching staff might think otherwise.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 05:13:56
Ed001, what's your stance on Kenny being liverpools manager? Do you believe he's the right man for the job or would you prefer someone else to take the job? {Ed001's Note - he is without doubt the right man for the job.}


Hi edd001 why you think he is the right man for the job do you think we all look at him through rose coloured specs because who he is to are club and were so desperate for him to succeed, i for one do think he is the man for the job but he needs to realise maybe the money he has spent could of been spent a lot better but we need to move on from this now hes got nine days to add some gile to the squad if he doesnt i think it will be a big mistake so edds sorry to ramble but why you think he is the right man? {Ed001's Note - no, I think he just needs time, our squad was appallingly bad when he took over and low on confidence. He has come in, changed the style of play, brought a whole new coaching team and a number of players. Now that all needs time to become moulded into a team. Short term fixes will work quickly (O'Neill comes to mind), but long term solutions take time. We just need to show patience as supporters, we can't compete with City etc and buy titles, we have to build from the bottom up and create a long term sustainable club. That has been started with the new owners in place, Dalglish in charge and the team running the Academy. Now we need to do our job of supporting the team while it rebuilds from the depths Hodgson took us into.}


Com'on fella's course king kenny is the right man for the job look what he did at blackburn.rome wasnt built in a day,if i remember ryt look at fergie the scum nearly sacked him.but they got an equalizer agenst oldham and went on to win the fa cup tht yr and never looke back.we are lfc lets all do the decent thing get behind kenny and the team give them time 100% support and we will be a true force over the next decade.


mr brown


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:43:29
Everyone is piling in and criticising KK and Carroll. This thinking is as lazy as some of the players like Johnson who has just strolled around in the last couple of game though he had the ideal opportunity to offer width with three central defenders against Stoke and Adam who thinks tracking back is for others while he waits for the next opportunity ti put in a sixty yard killer pass. Stevie looked a shadow of his former self and Henderson looked completely lost when the going got tough. To be fair Carroll is showing some signs of improvement but there are some players who are just along for the ride at present.

Redpath


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:40:02
If Suarez was watching the Bolton game, it no doubt dawned on him, that the team are really lacking, and totally uninspiring, and consequently will achieve very little. Now if Real Madrid came knocking, would he not be tempted to move.
Any other prospective 'transfer targets' gazing into the Liverpool Shop window, would also be thinking, here's a team that will not qualify for Champs League, and do I want to be part of that.
Not only did the 'team' do a great diservice to the club, but also negatively impacted on the decision process of all suitable prospects.
If you were a talented young player, would you want to join the club after watching that game.
I certainly don't think so!!.


I thonk you need to understand what playing for LFC means its not about 1 game its the history of playing for a great club and alot more
Mkdlfc


Depends on if you are the type of player that wants to get the recognition as being the true 'missing link' and do well, want a challenge even! Suarez came to us last year, as he had been a follower of us as a kid, so why can't others? Sow 'wanted'/ 'wants' to come to us, too or so I believe!

Keith


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:39:08
I actually think 4th spot at the most is achievable this season. Yes, we have had some shocking results, the worst being against Bolton BUT Newcastle lost, Chelsea drew and arsenal play Man Utd today so if they lose, the league position will not have changed and theres only 5 points between us and Chelsea who are in 4th.

Whether dalglish is the best man for the job remains to be seen but we need to give him time to hopefully work some magic.

Personally, if it's comes to, if not in january then in the summer perhaps, then any player that is under performing needs to be jogged on, and new talent brought in frOm the continent to replace them cos lets be honest, having a team full of British players ain't working!


6 points behind Chelsea and getting bigger


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:34:54
We cant create opportunitys in games against bolton and aswell against stoke mmmm... Was this the sane manager that let alberto aqailini raul meireles and joe cole go? Mmm makes sense to me total misjudjement he has not got a clue he told of anger towards the players but he wasnt as angry as he should have been they were useless and what i cant get is he says they didnt start the right way the team werent set up right way.... Wel aint that ur job dalglish! 8 signings this summer not one of them have been our best Players this seasOn oh maybe bellamy(free). Would any of them get in dream team perhaps think abouut this how many of them would ger in chelsea arsenal man utd man city tottenham team maybe suarez gerrard enrique? Thanks dalglish we are going backwards were sitting 7th champs league dream on and the players wrre linked with jelavic that would be a catastrophe he could not handle the championship, granero a madrid reject. We need top quality players as we are yet again a 2 man team gerrard and suarez and thats proved suare out for 8 games in those games we have scored.... 4 goals. We couldnt beat a team with the worst home record in england bar a team from the conference.....?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:32:47
Kenny not doing the job,the table dont lie,its a fact,we cant keep protecting kenny because we love him,even home form terrible etc etc etc Also we cant keep saying give him time and more time. im a hurting fan that wants change for the better of my club lfc....irish kopitie


OK ik, you've been giving it the 'sack Kenny' for the last day or two now.
Right, Kenny gone. Pay up his contract, say £3m ?
Steve Clarke and the rest of the backroom ?
Who comes in, with a new 3 year contract after ?
The players, who do you get rid of and when ?
Who comes in to replace them and when ?
Apart from your tirade against Kenny, which you must have said about twenty times so far, and we heard you first time btw, have you got anything alternatively constructive to add ?
The Real KB


Talking sense again KB, be patient Irish Kopitie
Ultra red


Were not giving him "time and more time" he's only had half a season in sole charge during which for the most part we have played attractive football just lacking some goals. You all have short memories. We were practically on a relegation battle when he took over. At the end of last season he'd turned us into one of the form teams in the country. As i see it we've only played 2 or 3 really poor performances this year. You have no concept of "time".


Top 4 won't happen this season. Give Kenny til the summer to see if he can put it right. That's only fair.

Chuck Norris


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:32:35
I would like to make few things clear,after yesterdays game KD said player were not focused because they thought of city and utd game,I'm so sorry as a manager he has his duty to prepare his team,I'm sure if he had is authority then team would have focus,somehow this shows me that maybe he was more focused on city and utd game rather then blaming team,team didn't perform accept it that they were poor because of the crap players

Now I'll come to Rafa,I'm not sure correct me if I'm wrong,did he ever blame players on forthcoming games?under rafa we had many cl football,on his interviews whenever asked about a game in advance he always said we r focused on current game,that means it was his job to make sure players r focused

People say rafa had bad signings,I'll agree were they worth £85million for 4players?I know he bought some rubbish players coz he never had as much money to spend like KD,I'll say Rafa got it wrong big time was when he sold alonso,and got the replacement who was injured maybe that was a very wrong decision from him and maybe effected 09/10 season,but again if he had money maybe he would have bought alonso replacement before he sold him

People say they want to see liverpool play like they did against fulham last year when we beat them 5-2,what has changed since then,in that game u had maxi,kuyt the players who people crticise,did well in that game,meireless was there in midfield who created chances,and ofcourse suarez who terrorised fulham,now what we have,adam in place of meireless?adam I've always said he's lazy,selfish and he thinks he's better then rest of lfc players,has got no sense when he playes and has a habbit of passing the ball back to pepe when players are around(opposition)

My comment may have mixture of everything,but last point is when marsaille where playing lfc in cl few years back when their manager said that all liverpool players are like duracell bunny never stop and work hard for 90mins,people here criticise kuyt,but this is a player has given everything and performed very well for lfc under rafa,as I've sai b4 and many people have said,owners will not spend in january due to not sure what will happen in summer,if they give kd money now he'll buy more british players for very high stupid prices and with no end result,they will keep money for new manager if they have that plan and if we fail on 4th place,I'm sure under rafa many of these players would not have been signed,I remember rafa never wanted kean but parry bought him,and yeah chelski paid £50 million for torres because the guy was established player for lfc and his country with good track record,yes he's not perfoming but they paid for what he was good for,why did we pay £35million for carroll who had no track record apart from court cases??I'm sure some1 will have answer for this and please don't give one for future coz that's rubbish,I think a team reflects their manager,if passion is less coz there is less motivation,I had enough coz I'm tired of writing and I have more to write but my comments and others comment will not change results and we will all be here soon complaining again,

Thanks


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:28:39
I bet most of the 'fans' on here saying 'bring Benitez back' are the same fans calling for his head 2 years ago.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:17:54
Yesterdays defeat lies with the 4 defenders & Gerrard & Adam. I always assumed that Hendo would be a holding midfielder yesterday with Maxi & Bellars partnering Big Andy as part of a front 3! Gerrard & Adam just let Boltons midfield run thru us like a knife thru butter. I have to admit I was stunned with how they lined up. Andy Carroll was winning plenty in the first half & Bellars was giving the 2 Centre halves a roasting. I have to admit that Kenny & Clarke have been a bit elaborate with their formation for the last 2 games. A 5-3-2 with wing backs against Stoke & 4-4-2 against Bolton hasn't really worked. I appreciate that Kenny & Clarke are trying to rectify our goal scoring issue, but personally I think we need to play the way we have with a 4-5-1. We had created loads of chances this way but it also made us solid at the back. We are in a mini crisis at the minute with 2 big
games coming up. Let's stay solid & be hard to beat, let's try and create the chances we had been doing & hope we get the luck we've lacked in front of goal. There's not much point in bemoaning the players we have or lack of them. It's pretty futile at this stage, the inquest will be at the end of the season. Two big results will put a different perspective on things. I would urge everyone to stay upbeat or we could be the masters of our own downfall.

The Irish Rover


The line-up, the tactics, the formation change everygame. No wonder the players look clueless. They also seem to be asked to play this conservative, stop and pass back style. This is not the old liverpool style at all, we can't get out of our own half. No CF would score playing like this.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:11:25
We Like and Respect Kenny. He is a Legend of Liverpool even if he not the manager . and I accept Club is bigger then any person. but at this moment if we change Kenny new manager will say its not the player I bought. for me wait until Summer to judge Kenny. and we all Kenny Supporter also have to understand that if any other man in his place today sure we all want his head .

-HHH-


No one likes Kenny no more mate he has runied our club and destroyed his reputation


T**t! Rubbish thing to say... He has revitalized the club. Look now and 1.5 years back in time.
Ruined the club?! How old are you?


Speak for yourself mate i for one will never forget what kenny has done for this football club and the support he and his wife have shown the family's of the Hillsborough disaster love the man. RED KENNY


'No one likes Kenny no more mate he has runied our club and destroyed his reputation'

Shh child!

The Booter


To the poster above. Learn some f#cking respect! Maybe Kenny will go in the summer but show respect to the great man.

Chuck Norris


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:10:50
From what it looks like, KK doesn't want to spend 12/15m now on a striker who will come in and score a few goals....I think he is hoping Carroll will find his form with these run of games, and no doubt yday Carroll looked sharper....by buying another striker it just means carroll will get less game play, and come the end of the season we will not know what to do with him, whether to take a huge hit by selling him for 15/20m or keeping him....as well as this we have 4 Strikers....Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy, Carroll....i personally think the only way liverpool will buy in the winter is if Kuyt is sold, but as the eds have said, this will most likely be in the summer....KK knows this season is a right off, and knows it is the rebuilding year, to buy our players and let them gel, hopefully winning a cup or two, and trying to challenge for 4th (which is still a very real possibility) To summarise, do not expect a big signing now, as i believe liverpool to think this will congest the situation, and hopefully in the summer we will be talking about how well Suarez, Carroll and Gerrard linked up, and how next season we will be strong contenders for the title....in the mean time, keep supporting and remember, its the Liverpool Way of doing things, we aren't Chelsea or either one of the Dirty Mancs we are LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
Kabir
(please post eds)


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:09:35
dalglish to sign player-manager contract?


This is getting a bit old


Why is fergie retiring


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:04:24
How long are you fans like Lavers, kidmillions etc are going to carry on defending the manager. Even if we were in the championship you wouild defend him.His tactics make me sick his signings make me sick and he should be sacked.A manager is judged on the money spent, players signed, and results. What has kenny got right. NOTHING but you deluded fans carry on supporting the manager and watch all our big players leave. And don't forget to wipe you rose tinted glasses


The mans a genius maybe some of his signings aren't up to scratch at the minute but this time round he's only been in the job a year.Give him time you and stop hoping for instant succes.It took fergie a while to get going.

King luis


Kenny has made one outstanding bad signing in Carroll. He needs to offload Carroll,Kuyt,Maxi,Skyrtle as quick as poss.
Sign someone like Rick Van Wolfspinkel who in mo would be great with Suarez.
Goalscorers give the whole team confidence> Hence our lack of confidence
kidmillions


RedAce.

{Ed002's Note - Your posts are going to keep getting rejected if you keep screwing with the formatting. We don't have the time to correct it.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 12:01:53
After yesterday performance kenny knows he has to sign some targets this month I think he will do another last minute signings but this time people who will actually improve are squad


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:59:03
I have just heard Kenny say , for the third time , that the players weren't ready for the Bolton game . If this is true , why has he not resigned .

If I reported to my employers that I had failed in my duty , they would expect me to resign .


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:59:02
I'm afraid to say no Suarez no chance '


 

 

Jan 2012 11:59:00
I wish there was a database of all the posts that have ever been written on here so the Eds (especially ed002) can go back a few months and see my posts regarding the mistake that is kenny dalglish.

I predicted we'd struggle under his management, I predicted everybody would eventually wake up and smell the coffee and I predicted that he will walk away from the job like he has done all his managerial roles. Give it a few months and I guarantee Kenny will fold under the pressure and walk like he always does.

He is out of his depth and out of touch with modern football. I keep telling u guys he has been out of the game for a long time and it shows. He is trying to play exactly the same way he set things up at blackburn and newcastle over a decade ago and he needs to realise that the game has moved on since then...the same formula will not work in the modern game and he is clearly punchin above his weight.

The reason people are calling for Benitez is because we are starting to realise how much Benitez over achieved during his spell...we are beginning to understand how world class of a manager he really was especially on the limited budget he had to work with....Can you imagine the quality of player he would bring in with the support from NESV?

Get Kenny out at the end of the season and bring in Mourinho or Benitez...these are the only 2 realistic acquisitions that will almost guarantee champions league qualification and trophies every single year.

We can argue and fight and debate all day long but its really simple...kenny aint good enough as manager of this club and people need to stop being so diplomatic about it and start being honest with themselves.

You can say its down to the players but how many of us have raised our eyebrows upon seeing kd's team selection and tactics? How many of us raised eyebrows when we saw our summer signings? Somebody who makes such bad judgements cannot be trusted to manage a team of our stature.

I am not well versed in the art of football management but even I know that adam and gerrard together is a nightmare waiting to happen and we need defensive cover to protect the back 4. Play carragher in the holding role or agger in a sweeper role with 3 at the back or play henderson in the middle or throw coady in there...4 options just from the top of my head that would be more viable than Adam.

Its not rocket science...the solutions are so simple.

Leo {Ed002's Note - All the posts are available on the web site and why mention me?}


Leo you are an apse, Rafa is so good we would never prize him away from his high power job with one of the best teams in Europe...oh wait hang on a minute, oh yeah the bloke hasn't got a job with one of europes big clubs has he, in fact who is he working for at the moment?
Clown


Assuming that you're the same Ed002 as always, me and you have had some spectacular disagreements on this issue and many others over the past few months so im feeling a slight air of satisfaction seeing all my predictions being played out.

My posts from months back have been very accurate in foretelling the future, almost nostradamus-esque :)

Leo {Ed002's Note - I don't recall anything other than your constant bleating that your messages were not being posted when they were all posted. And they are all in the archives and can all be found by using the search function. In searching now myself it seems that your disagreements were with a different Editor and I just dealt with your petty grizzling because your were unable to locate your posts - which had of course been published. It seems that your brain has now become slightly soft and you have started confusing one editor with another. It has been nice for everyone that you disappeared for a while and we didn need to read you abuse and other nonsense. What happened to the hate page on Facebook you were going to start for me? I assume that you have signed up with my appreciation page already tinyurl.com/7fbgecd - and weren't you going to send out messages on Twitter saying I had be cruel to you?}


Anyone who would have Mourinho as manager is a scumbag idiot.


I agree with you. I have always said that Kenny is as over-rated as Benitez under rated. Raffa did make mistakes here, but he had to put up with the 2 Muppet's we had in charge at the time. They even tried to bring in Killingsman to replace him, but Raffa carried on.

I am to you to remember Kenny as a player and first time round. But i have always felt that time has moved on and game has changed so much. Raffa has to be given a 2nd chance with the backers we have now i am sure he could make us a force in Europe once again.


Rushdentillidie {Ed001's Note - seriously? You want to bring back the man who alienated so many players we had a huge turnover of players every single season. So we would spend the first part of every season floundering as the players got to know one another's games and then the second half playing catch up. And you want this because we have brought in a bunch of new players who are struggling to gel together. How shortsighted some people are!}


Well said ED001! Rafa's problems are well documented. I don't want him back. He did a lot for LFC during his time, but bringing him back would be a step bacwards I feel.

AG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:57:34
Very disappointed that certain "supporters" of the club (I use the word supporters loosely) are beginning to question Dalglish's management. Kenny has been back at Anfield a year now. In that time he took us from possible relegation candidates to a 6th place finish. This season we currently lie in 7th place only 5 points off a CL spot, plus we are on the verge of our first cup final in 6 years. I would say we are heading in the right direction under Dalglish. Some fools at the start of the season were claiming we could mount a possible title challenge, that was never going to happen I'm afraid (If I'm honest I expected perhaps 5th or 6th place in the league and perhaps a good cup run) Look at Man City, nearly a £1billion worth of investment at the club and only an F.A Cup to show for it, proof if it was needed that building a great team takes time, it doesn't happen in just over a year. Kenny & the board are in this for the long haul, it's a long term project that will bear fruit eventually, players will be signed that don't fit in, that happen's at every top club I'm afraid, it's trial & error if you will. Think long term and get behind Kenny and the team, it will come good. Turning against Dalglish now would be disasterous!


Hogson would have spent 100 million better then Kenny.Just see what Keegan said in the express today about his expensive mistakes.


Great post. totally agree


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:55:17
I find some of the posts on this site totally disrespectful towards kenny and the club. We are supporters and they should be given our support through good and bad times.

Surely we should be looking forward to wed which would be an amazing achievement to make it to wembley so early in kennys reign. It takes years to mould a squad not minutes or seconds. We are going to get a bit of inconsistency along the way but we are only 6 points off fourth as i say in a massive semi and still in the fa cup.

People need to get a bit of realism transfer fees dont guarantee anything and even the best managers get it wrong sometimes. Maybe if we put all effort in supporting the club rather than slagging it off we might see a few more rewards.

Would like to here eds thoughts as well?

Thanks
mighty reds


Wait until Liverpool finish 10 in the BPL this season and i want to see what your comment! {Ed001's Note - I have seen far worse under Souness and Hodgson, what we are going through now is a rebuilding process. Try showing some patience and not acting like a spoilt little child throwing their toys out of their pram because they want it 'NOW!' You can't always have everything you want and you can't always get everything straight away.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:55:17
I know there are crazy rumours of Suarez leaving, and most recently that the club have sent out feelers as to who may want him. For fans it sounds ridiculous, but it does make some sense. He is a dynamic, unpredictable talent that alters every game he plays in. That certainly doesn't fit the Liverpool mould. Kenny is looking for players that are British, irrespective of talent or obvious lack of footballing panache on the pitch. I love Kenny, but what coach in the PL would let Adam (and others) start every game, when it is obvious that his form is poor. One decent pass in the entire game doesn't cut it for me, nor any other fan. If Adam was playing for another club, the manager would bench him and put in a youngster to try and get a response. Fergie does it all the time and it works. Why doesn't Kenny give it a go? Shelvey could slot in for him, or Spearing, or a post for that matter.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:49:46
guys like i said before, if kenny has money to spend it will be very minimal simply because the owners don't trust him with anymore of there money. You can't really blame them, alot of money wasted and this is a sign they seriously considering kenny's position as manager, along with some of the coaches probably. Im pretty sure if kenny could buy a few quality players in he would of by now, but its getting pretty obvious the owners are reluctant, they did say they want top 4 and they can see we need extra players but simply don't wana risk spending more money knowing they may replace kenny very soon.RedTurk


I would sack him now before we break the british transfer record for Zomora : )


Lol. Who's your mole in the boardroom then RedTurk ?
I have a whole new understanding of your posts now. I never knew you were so well connected...lol.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - obviously the same one who had kept him informed all summer about our transfer targets, you know that we had absolutely no interest in Adam etc.}


And How exactly is 'this' obvious? We are not signing players because the ones we want are NOT available, or do you prefer a few more 'knee-jerk' Andy Carroll buys?

AG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:48:17
I think the only thing that offers a glimmer of hope after yesterday is Kenny's reaction. He was strong with his words and has every right to be frustrated, annoyed and damn right pissed off with the showing. Players didn't seem interested and expected an easy ride and we were given anything but.

We don't have a bad team or even squad nowadays. Yes we badly miss Lucas to provide balance, win the ball and keep us ticking. And we also miss Suarez's creativity, skill and finishing (yes he misses a lot, but as least he makes the chances to miss). But ultimately the team we still have was capable of winning well, not comfortably but by a couple of goals.

I thought yesterday highlighted a few keys things. Firstly Carroll looked good with a partner yesterday, it gave him more space, someone to flick the ball onto and it worked. He also seems to have learnt to pass, perhaps the other aspects of his game will return at some point. Bellamy was excellent and it's clear once he goes or gets an injury we desperately need a similar type of players. He's an older member of the squad but still has more pace than our entire midfield put together.

Johnson and Enrique expected to walk it and I'm annoyed at how arrogant both them were. Roninson and Kelly/Flannagan would have done a far better job, just by applying a little work ethic.

Gerrard tried to do everything but you could just tell he was doing two jobs and was fed up. Adam has fallen so far down the pecking order in my eyes, he's just so idle. He's slipped back into lazy Mr Hollywood mode, going for ridiculous passes an shots (half way line in previous game) and just doesn't make any effort to track or tackle. Next to Lucas it worked, because he as always did the donkey work. Next to Gerrard or Henderson or even Spearing (as he isn't as good as Lucas) it just doesn't.

Papa G


He should look in the mirror and blame himself i have little to no respect for kenny as our manager only as a player


Frustrated with players? Yes. But Roy and Rafa rightly took flak for poor tactics and bad signings,so must Kenny. Last summer was vital to spend and spend wisely to improve the squad in that Kenny failed on an epic level. Are we better than under Roy? Yes a little but Roy didnt have the resources Kenny was given. Kenny has not solved the issue he has compounded them. Kenny cant hide from the teams lack of cutting edge or the bizzare tactics. We will get nowhere near 4th and we dont have sugar daddy owners so we are going to struggle bigtime. I wanted Kenny back but it was the heart ruling the head.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:48:13
Well, well, well. Top 4 here come.Yippie! Ray Burmeister


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:47:49
caroll, henderson and downing will come good. but we do need another striker and a right winger. defoe and hoilett. cheap and good enough. i know that some of u say that defoe isnt good enough for liverpool but hasnt he scored more goals than caroll.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:46:15
Fact is Bolton pressed us high up the pitch yesterday. Teams have twigged on that Adam likes a lot of time on the ball as do Johnson and Enrique. When pressed they panic. You could see a line of four Bolton players pushing us high up the pitch and we tried to pass through them without success. At times like this you change your tactics and go long through the channels, (especially with Carroll in the team). We did not do that enough, but when we did, we scored through one attack. You need more than one plan and we should be able to switch tactics based on what the opposition do.

I also feel we did not put them under anywhere near enough pressure on the ball and that gifted them possession and allowed them to walk through us twice to score.

We did miss Lucas badly and have since he has gone. When Jay plays we look more comfortable. In fairness to Adam he has never been and never will be a holding midfield player and neither will Gerrard, playing them together in midfield does not work as both want to go forward. Lucas and Gerrard or Lucas with Adam with Gerrard playing off Suarez would be much much better.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:44:35
TO THE SACK KENNY SUPPORTERS ON HERE
I have been a liverpool fan 36 years that dose not make me more a supporter than anyone but through my time as a liverpool supporter we had some vgood times and some vbad times but one thing i have learned over the years is liverpool fans have always stuck together ? not in the last year calling for kenny to be sacked is not the way to go. i like so many liverpool supporters would rather have a manager who loves liverpool as much as i do not some manager like mourinho who is only manager for them self not our club. I for one no who i want as manager Liverpool last won a league title in 1989-90 and kenny was manager then give him more than a year and i belive he will do it again he became player-manager of Liverpool in 1985 and in a six-years won three league titles and two FA Cups we are on the up not down as they say rome was not built in a day or year for that matter
LIVERPOOL TILL DIE


Liverpool is a club that should be in the top 4.We have spent twice as much as spurs and they are 10 times the team. The manager has one job and thats to get results its a results business no one cares how long you supported liverpool your just as deluded as the rest.SACK HIM NOW AND GIVE HIM THE USELESS MANAGER OF THE MONTH AWARD


Lets be totally honest here, anyone calling for Kenny`s head are not worth listening to. His reaction yesterday was perfect, and you can be sure that the players would have got the rocket they deserved from him Clarke and the skipper. Attitude was awful, and the commitment was nil ,and that is what got up my nose.....everyone can have a bad day at the office, but not trying is a no no! Pinhead


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:43:47
I fear for KK if we do not improve and fast. It seems to me that the team has no confidence in AC's play despite what anyone says at the club and that is hindering the players on the pitch. After 3-4 games where they cannot have the confidence in his ability to hold the ball or pass to a team mate they wont make the supporting runs for fear of being exposed time and again when he gives it away. We have always been able to defend from the front but Big Andy just does not seem to care, unless its within 5 yards of him, his positional play, holding, passing and generally doing the basics aren't there. I am unsure if this is a confidence thing, but he may be a player that can only get himself up for his home club. I cannot ever see Stevie and Charlie being successful in the same midfield, they are too similar in what they bring, except Stevie has much more skill at it. We got Charlie for his set plays etc but this season they have been atrocious, and too often wants the Hollywood pass rather than a simple pass and move game. We definitely need more defensive cover in cm for our creative players to do their thing. We need a natural finisher with pace and movement although I am unsure who would be available this window. I think we are only a couple of players away from where we want to be as long as we can keep our main players fit, I personally would sacrifice AC and negate some of the need for traditional wingers as I don't like the long ball tactics we are sometimes forced to play but even if we don't get the striker we need, maybe move Stevie up to play alongside or just behind LS when he comes back like he did with FT and maybe our lack of goals can be resolved.

Red4Ever


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:41:36
Look i will always keep the faith in Lfc and have done for past 35 years but something needs to said. All you fans saying we shouldn't slag the team off are correct to a certain point! Of cause we should support KK and the lads but last nights display was really bad. Confidence is obviously low in some of the players, what i can't work out is why? The players have had time to bed down but last night we looked like we have never played 442! I dont believe there is any serious competition for places (look at the bench) so certain players think they can just turn up and win.If other players had the same attitude and desire as Bellamy on the pitch. The players all run away from the ball and hope to receive the ball but do not to create space or tri-angles of movement off the ball its like sunday league.We have obvious week links and yes im going to say it! Johnson at right back needs to work on his positioning he was bloody crap, Agger is very good on the ball but is was far to slow to react to Skertl's mistake.Adam needs to be dropped, he has the ability but is hiding at the moment.There were however positives from the Beller's and Carroll's movement up front and i think if Carroll has someone to play off upfront he will be a different player(my fingers are crossed on this issue though as Bellamy can't play every week).We need a defensive midfielder(can't believe we haven't gone in for M,vila (spelling) we also need a creative midfielder and a striker and for god sake we need a decent right winger!
If the current players cant handle it then maybe Kenny should call up some of the youngsters such as Sterling as they will be hungry for the opportunity, too young you say, good enough play them!! So in conclusion players need to pull there fingers out of their arses and repay the faith Kenny gave them by bringing them to the club!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:40:47
Before we pass judgement people need to find out the facts and truth first.

- is it KKs fault Lucas and Spearing are both injured and we do not have a DM - he tried to compensate with 3 CBs and 2 WBs vs Stoke and got slated for lacking creativity then vs Bolton he threw on all our available 1st team attacking and creative players - it failed as the players were more worried about weds

- is it KKs fault the club sold Torres on the last day for £50m when he openly said he wanted him to stay. It was Comoli who signed Carroll for £35m to save his arse. Kk like any decent Liverpool mgr has supported/defended/backed Carroll as much as humanly possible

- did kk really want downing when he really wanted ashley young but Commoli gave him downing as an alternative at £20m as he could not convince young

- is it such a bad idea to sign the England u21 caPtain ?

- Adam was outstanding for Blackpool And one of the most effective midfielders in the league - is it KKs fault that Adam is now too complacent and lost his confidence and desire now that be has secured his dream big money move

- if people actually listen to what he says in interviews - he says "we" are happy with the current squad - dg comoli and fsg do not want to buy granero / krasic / soldado ( the only players we need !!) he has never said "I" am happy wit the squad

- does kk deserve respect for coming out and slating th whole team for their lack of effort rather than picking on individuals as previous Managers have done

- both houiller and Benitez asked for 5 years to build a team to deliver a team to win the league and both failed - is that KKs fault ? Is it his fault we missed 4th spot last year ?

- is it KKs fault that David moores sold the club 5 years too late and finally sold the club to the wrong people and missed out on the global marketing drive. The reason we are where we are is down to the mistakes of moores
Kk is not dwelling on the past mistakes but he is one if a handful that really understands what Liverpool football club means and stands for and where it belongs


What an person you are , you are basically saying its all commolli fault, wake up mate. this is some of the blind faith group im talking about, did you know kenny has the final say on signings? did you know kenny was searching for british talent as priority?RedTurk


The club sold twice and Both time in Wrong Hand. American never good In football management. {Ed002's Note - I cannot see how the owners are to blame.


Yes I am saying commoli above kk is responsible for signing
Suarez / Enrique / Coates are not British talent
FSGs preference is British players in fear of a future limit on non-home-grown rule that may never come into effect
You judge managers on how they bounce back from adversity - did united sack AF after the city hammering - did arsenal sack wenger after their poor start
Redturk sometimes u make some good points but sometimes u mix PL footballs multi million/billion business with £39.99 xbox game where you can sack and get rid of anyone whenever you like and bring in anyone you feel like


Hmm if this was hodgson you would be marching to anfield now, with your banners asking for him to be sacked. Take off the glasses mate, i respect kenny but i won't blame everyone else for his signings, comolli had plenty of players undervalued listed for kenny, kenny decided to go british and spend majority of money on them, he always said final decision is his. When i look at kenny i can see he has lfc in his heart, i wouldn't want to question that but sometimes it don't work out 2nd time round, any average fan can tell you kenny wasted the owners money on what should of been a clear out of flops and quality brought in, unfortunately we got a load more of flops to clear out.RedTurk {Ed001's Note - if it was Hodgson, we would be going out to defend deep and lump the ball up the park. That is the difference, not the fact that it was Hodgson. You are just a moaning little jessie, you have nothing but negativity, nothing constructive at all. You can't even back up your points, just whine. You are as bad as my ex, that's why she got booted out the door.}


Thanks Ed you saved me the effort to reply to Redturk

But I would add KK was bought in as a longer term plan - anyone asking for his head now even before the season end is from the instant gratification MTV generation and their views carry little or no credence

Roy was bought in as a short term replacement as no potential owners would put up with the power Rafa had given himself with his new contract

Leam Red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:39:06
Yesterdays game was a disgrace. When you take a good look at this performance the same old problem crops up, too many players think they have allready made it.Apart from Bellamy who would fight himself in a darkend room, there was no passion fight or the Liverpool spirt of old. Kennys stern words were spot on but he needs to look at himself he signed some of these players who have done nothing to improve Liverpool fc ...forget the prices of Adam , Henderson , Carroll and Downing in the months they have been with us they have shown nothing and thats a sad fact. Adam was a very Good player at Blackpool in a avarage team...Downing is a tough one Good at Villa good for England and when he plays for us he looks scared to death..maybe the move was to big for him...Henderson at Sunderland looked like a good player but we need better than good we need world class. and finally Andy Carroll..At Newcastle he was a real Handful could this be due to the fact he is Newcastle through and through and was forced out at Newcastle? i dont think his heart is with Liverpool and thats a shame cos at the moment he looks like a broken man....The players signed are NOT going to take us to the next step would should give our kids a go..surely they would show more passion and pride and want it more they anybody else.

Marc


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:38:52
Of course the performance last night was unacceptable, but maybe the team did need a bit of a reality check. I'm sure Kenny and Steve Clark would have dished out some good old Glaswegian hairdryer treatment, and hopefully the players will get their a***s into gear. Still have 16 games to go, anything can happen.

Rafa's Purple Goatie


Fact is, this weekend was the perffect opportunity to make up some points on the teams above. Chelsea dropped as did Newcastle, and the 4 others above are playing each other. Ours was the late kick-off as well, so team was aware of situation with Chelsea and Newcastle. Simply put they were crap, uninspiring, and dare I say pathetic. There can be no excuses, this team is not good enough to give us 4th place.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:38:24
Everyone keeps saying that we have some of the most exciting young players in Europe, if there that good then KD should drop some of our so called superstar starting eleven and replace them with Morgan, Sterling, Coady Flanagan etc etc. Carroll Downing Adam and Johnson are simply not good enough get rid KD and start playing the hungry young reds who want to play for the badge and who don't come with baggage and over hyped egos....

The Grand wizard...


Agree with you - the key word in "hungry" - most of yesterdays players are not -


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:36:01
Deliberately stayed away from commenting after the game yesterday because of all the 'fairweather fans' calling for heads to roll. Its settled down now so perhaps time to chip in with a few thoughts.
This club is grounded on the principles laid down by the great man Shankly and we are all part of that process - manager, players, fans and owners. The development of a club is a lifetime's work and we are all only a small part of the bigger project started all those years ago by the one of the greatest men ever to grace this planet. I'm sure he would be as angry as us today after that result but I'm also sure that he would be planning the next move in the great plan. Kenny Dalglish is made of the same stuff as Shanks and only he can lead us out of any bad times, so please have patience. We say our Club is the greatest on earth but the "Shankly Project" started all those years ago will have good and bad times and its our job to support, not pick the players, own the club or make Kenny's decisions for him. Time to support the club, not try to destroy it with negative comments. We will get there if we stay committed to both Kenny and his players.
Midsred


The brilliant Shanks dealt with £25 a week players - who loved football and the Club - Dalgish is dealing with millionaire players who are business's in their own right - if they don't want to give 110% they don't have to - there needs to be a change to the contract system switching it from money for turning up to money for results - until that time KD has no power


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:34:43
What has become very clear to me is that some people don't realise how bad we actually were 12 months ago.
We were very lucky to get so high in the table in the end and we over achieved somewhat. That team would have been lucky to finish 10th.
This year we are very very unlucky to be 7th, and are badly under achieving. We all know how high up the table we would be if all them shots went in rather than the crossbar and we scored all them penalties.
Our team is good enough on paper, but we did a complete overhaul on the squad last summer, it really does take a full season for some players to settle especially young ones.
Have a look at the highlights of andy carrolls career at Newcastle, he was unplayable, look at what Adam did at Blackpool. Look at what Henderson was like at sunderland. Downing for villa.
All these are great players yet to find there feet at Liverpool, just think how good we will be when they all gel.

MIKEY


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:31:16
We need to find an established, at the end of his career, Defensive Midfielder that is willing to come on a 6 month loan or one year free. Carroll needs time in the reserves where he can be coached and regain his confidence so we probably need likewise a short term established striker.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:22:03
Firstly, if Lucas was on the pitch, that defeat probably would have never happened. DM cover may be a necessity in the summer if progress is to be made. I though Carroll had one of his better games yesterday his passing accuracy and hold up play had greatly improved and he got an assist, so small positives from a lacklustre performance. Bellemy was the only one who turned up 100%. The need for extra fire power was ever present but barely visible yesterday as we couldn't get past the half way line.
If we play like that both sets of mancs will walk over us.
Dissapointed.
D.Liver


Lfc need to lock all the players in a darkened room,then throw bellamy in with a set of golf clubs,


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:20:20
I believe KD is in a quandary guys. HE is responsible for big money investments and is struggling to get any of them playing at the right level.
At the same time, he set out this season to to make the team watertight in defence - no goals against whenever possible & nick goals with Suarez or Carroll.
On top of this, his philosophy is rooted in his own experience with the great LFC of the 70s/80s. He is trying to rerun the balance of those teams and it's not happening.
It's tough on KD, but when you see players like Kuyt, Maxi, Johnson, who were brilliant at the end of last season (REMEMBER?) underperforming just like the big money signings, you have to look at the boss, his strategy and his tactics.
I fear he may walk away before the legend that he is gets tarnished.
The Bolton result just hammered home what we have been seeing for weeks now. No midfield, no attack, no passion, no win.
PS Hang in there Andy Carroll - flickers of promise!


Good post...

One of the most ennoying things for me is the changing of formation week in week out. You don't see this happening with ManUtd, Arsenal, Man City etc.

I just feel he is worrying about other teams and what they are going to do rather than let them worry about us.

For me, it's a 4-4-2. Carroll is much better playing with a strike partner. Bellamy should always be played upfront not on the wing and Gerrard and Adam should never be played together in the middle of the park as both don't get back and defend.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on this Ed?

PJRED


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:18:45
Eds you mention on here that players like Honda soldado sow etc have been looked at but the reason we haven't gone in and bided for them is because kk and comoli must not think there good enough? Surely then our scouts kk and comoli must have poor judgement since they considered the likes of Downing Carroll adam Henderson to be " good enough" for Liverpool. I'm pretty confident Honda, soldado, sow, sissoko, granero would have and still can do a much better job than Adam, Carroll and Henderson. Maybe you should think twice before you say the reason we are not biding for Honda or Sow (which would be great buys for less than 25 million for both, that's just a little more than we paid just for Downing) are not " good enough" as its ludicrous you think that as to say that the above mention which were bought last summer were "good enough" get a better perspective on the reasons before Yoi say things like that. {Ed002's Note - I don't know which Ed you are referring to but your anonymous rant rather contradicts itself.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:17:39
HEY LFC FANS......

i agree with 1 of the fans...about axing 3 players.....

johnson - because yesterday he was abysmal, but he hasnt shown his attacking threat at all even tho hes a defender its what we paid for to get him here.. so play kelly.

Adam......no good crosses, free kicks, corners, no passing....all he has been doing for a while now is hoofing it..and most annoyingly - fouling just outside the box.

Caroll.. PURELY because if he isnt getting good crosses from our team....ATLEAST HOLD the ball up....ngog showed him up yesterday....(im not blaming caroll fully here guys so relax)

so with the 3 spaces needing to be filled...kelly spearing/coady and someone else up top.


in terms of the squad......we need 2 wingers who love to attack........a forward with neat touches...and a holding midf...and with johnson adam and caroll out of the team to proove themselves as subs..i think we could EASILY get top 2 status....am i being reasonable here eds? and other fans?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:12:40
Wish everyone would fook-off with the Daglish out s**te he's made one bad buy in my opinion AC.
All managers make bad buys, the key is rectify as quick as poss, ship AC out and we move on.
kidmillions


Were you born in a barn Adam is a championship player,Downing cost 20 million and has not made an assist,Henderson runs around the pitch clueless, Coates is just a lampost, suarez has ruined the reputation of liverpool forever. F**kin take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the prem table. He will be sacked soon and i will pop a bottle of champagne.


Oh, now Suarez and Coates are bad buys too. Get a grip you dashboard!

AG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:10:01
We r bad and kenny can't see we need a right winger and a poacher bring back rafa


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:04:49
All the lads on here that slated Lucas until 12 months ago, i just can't wait til a few of these newer signings shine, now i know why not many of these posts are being signed.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:04:43
There are a lot of people on here that seem surprised about the result. The fact is aqilani was the stand out player in pre season and was never even going to start the season with us. We have struggled since Lucas has been out of the side and we are now looking at a run of games that includes city, utd twice, spurs, the gunners and everton. In all honesty were unlikly to win all these games as we don't look so solid at the back as we did without Lucas. The question is do we keep faith understand that this is a long term rebuilding project or will the owners decide on a more drastic course of action. I'm realistic a result againt city and win the cup and a place in the europa so we can get our youngsters some first team action seems like a good return right now.
RNred


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:03:06
I hope all these ridiculous "KENNY OUT" posts are just by w**ks havin' a laugh, because if not... i'm ashamed...

Red7.


Kenny will be sacked for burning liverpools transfer budgets


 

 

22 Jan 2012 11:01:30
I am loving the way every single kenny out post wasn't signed.
Would it be possible for the eds to sign them off for them?
Vegetable, keyboard warrior and knuckle dragger are a few you could use.

Many thanks

MIKEY


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:58:43
Eds

Yesterday display was the worst performance in the red shirt. We lost not Bolton winning. Every player should take the blame for that show. The three players that should be axed and put the reserve team is Johnson, Adam and Carrol and be replaced with Kelly Shelvey and Coady

Thanks Eds
Zorro


Carroll played well first half, linked really well with Bellamy and has learnt to pass the ball. Second half everyone was shockimg. Blame Gerrard and Adam for not tracking or working hard and the defence for expecting an easy ride. Especially Enrique (who's been excellent all year) thinking he's Messi!!

Papa G


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:52:51
When my team looses, my heart bleeds. When we win, my heart is happy. That is the type of supporter I am. I have NEVER criticized a player, never will. When we loose my mates make fun of me, I just tell them we played crap, end of story.

When I watched some of our crap playes which have left... Voronin, Poulsen and many more, I watched them play games and while playing I wished that they will come good, never criticized.

I am from South Africa, I just wish I was lucky enough to go watch a game at Anfield, but very unlikely.

I have my tattoo, and will never support another team. I even told my wife that when I die, I must be buried with my Liverpool shirt!!

So from a distant fellow RED.. SUPPORT THE BOYS!!!

Zoula


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:51:35
dont be person kenny...just buy new player...just throw your ego...dont trust player have no quality...carroll just wasted...i see just bellamy playing last night...if liverfool lose to manutd and city...confirm many liverfool fan resigned...think properly


Learn to write properly....

MIKEY


Are you kennys love child mikey


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:50:45
ed, with the signing of the young texiera (spelling) from lisbon, would he go play for the reserves of do u think he could possibly be in the starting 11 for the 1st team. kenny was talking about which was strange if hes going for the reserves. {Ed002's Note - He is just a kid who has never played at the highest level and will be in the reserves initially.}


To be fair Ed002, there were a good few players yesterday who looked like they never played at the highest level, whats the harm in trying different options, the worst thing we could do is lose, dont reply about a knocking their confidence jibe! We got to be brave
JayB {Ed002's Note - THat really is not the plan for him. Just throwing kids who have never played at that level in to the side could go horribly wrong for everyone.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:47:27
Let's look at thing realistically. We are a struggling team in 7th position in the league. No 'world class' players are going to be joining us while we are not competing at the top of the table and qualifying for the Champions League. Players don't just look at a club's reputation no longer, players want to be competing at the very top level and we can no longer offer that. We need to be looking at 'very good' players, players who will want to play for our club, wear their heart on their sleeve and are winners. If these players helped guide us to a top 4 finish, then we would be much more attractive to 'world class' players.
The club need to realise that British players are simply not good enough, hence the home nation teams under performing in international competitions. Henderson, Downing, Carroll, Adam are all too weak and too poor yet we spent over £75m on these 4 alone. Rafa spent a lot on poor players also but look at the quality players he brought in from the continent. Reina, Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Mascherano to name a few. These are all better thank the British 4 I mentioned and cost much less.
Something needs to change at the club, the players and manager haven't been good enough all season. Dalglish's tactics haven't worked out a lot. It seems as if he has lost his tactical touch. I haven't seen him change tactics in a positive way when we've been losing since he came back. Dalglish said 'heads will roll' if their attitude continues, well, something must happen, and pretty soon.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:47:24
Hi all,
We had really bad result nd we played terrible.so what should lfc do?its hard question nd by sacking managers nd getting rid of players nd buying expensive forgeion players was solution then chelsea would have been fine as well but they r struggling nd same for us..i think its time to relegate pkayers to reserves nd bring perfoming reserves to gain first team experience...kenny has done good job nd we got to be patient nd suggest how we can improve our team by suggesting team.changes nd signings.its football nd we are work in orogess nd time will tell if kenny was good for us..give him few more matches nd then we can judge..lets get behind liverpool as i dont care who is manager nd players..my passion is for lfc nd i will support everyone associated..


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:47:11
Hoping that the fact that Bolton completely dominated Liverpool midfield is the wake up call for Kenny to get a new DM in. Fernando Reges would be just about the best in the business.


I don't know if a new signing is the answer- we've got Spearing and Lucas to come back- but if it improves the squad, I'm all for it.
The problem for me, was that Bolton not only outnumbered us in the middle of the park but they also had more 'legs' than us there and we couldn't really keep the ball. We were either losing the ball early or going too long too soon. We did manage to score like that but always looked like conceding too.
Rigsby.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:46:07
Oh and one more thing about last night, a small thing... But the refereeing was DISGUSTING. Not an excuse, just thought it should be pointed out.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:44:02
What the f*** do we need is 2 wingers a Goalmachine Strike I wish that we sign with Adam Johnson and Hoilett and a strike I know that we can't sign with Cavani or Higuain because we aren't in CL so I think Defoe , Bent , Sow can help us one of them .


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:40:04
I don't think Kennys buys are crap. I think the problem we have and had for years is players come to us and think they have made it and all they have to do is put on a red shirt. We have to remember this time last year we were asking to bring in players like adam, carroll, downing. We cannot purely blame Kenny. I say stick them in the reserves old school way. We have to keep the faith, we have had great wins at arsenal, chelski twice, money city.
YNWA


Who was asking to bring in players like henderson, adam and downing? i wasn't! RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:31:33
Rumour is kenny is preparing to move to board & mourihno coming in as manager at the end of season.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:25:28
What do people and the eds think needs to be addressed this transfer window following our recent form? Since December in the league we've got 12points in 9 games, scored 8 goals, and conceded 9.

I think we need a Defensive Midfielder, in the Xabi Alonso mould - brilliant passing, with midfield steel, he controlled our team. We miss Lucas but he is out for the season and his skills can't be replicated by our current crop. Who is out there who can perform the role? Yann M'Vila? Midfield destroyer who can pick a pass. Riccardo Montolivo? Has the passing ability maybe not as defensively sound but still better than what we currently have. Yohan Cabaye? Jay Spearing can perform a Mascherano role, but we miss Xabi and Lucas.

A RW. We don't have a natural right winger and have used Kuyt, Maxi and Hendo to fill in. Krasic has been linked, he was very good at CSKA - but hasn't hit it off at Juve. Would be a good addition for the rest of the season. Any winger with pace, a reliable 1st touch, can pass and cross would be an improvement on what we have. I think we missed a trick in not going for Seb Larsson on a free in the summer, he is the type of player who could provide the service Andy Carroll could thrive on, not to mention his skills in dead-ball situations.

A striker. A player who could play alongside Suarez and Carroll. Bellamy can but he can't play every game and he is playing out on the left - he can't play 2 positions. Soldado? Giroud? Bent? Defoe? Teixeira? Fletcher? Anyone? Some one with pace and finishing ability.

These positions needed to be filled before the season started, and not getting them in has cost us this season.

70 points usually gets 4th place, so 35 points from 16 games?

RedSG


I do not like to slate players but the fact is that every time we play Carol we change the game and it does not work. We have seen this from the results. In recent game had some good balls in from Stevie and others but he still failed to score. Sorry NOT GOOD ENOUPH


Finally someone realises when ever carroll plays we look absolutely crap!RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:16:26
How many idiots/so called Liverpool fans on this site does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they would sit in the dark and blame Kenny.

Waro


100% Agree
Great Post
RedAce


It is not Kennys fault. It is the players fault. Kenny shows them his support when they have been put down by media and supporters and look how they pay him back. With rubbish performances like stoke and bolton


Who did spend the 100 million? did u blame roy????


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:13:26
I wonder what other fans think. Adam has shown he is not good enough or quick enough for a big club. His outfield play, his set piece delivery and penalty taking have been crap. Him and Carroll need to be dropped. ED what happened to the old days when a player was dropped by his manger if he wasn't performing. I'm beginning to think Kenny and Charlie are related!!


Reina, Agger, Enrique, Gerrard, Kelly, Lucas, Suarez, Bellamy are the only players worthy of wearing a liverpool top


Our whole team lacks flair and pace, not just Adam. Perhaps we should try be more positive instead of this constant stop/backpass conservative boring rubbish we playing.


I agree but i would say skrytel has improved aswel.RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:10:01
The club has spent £70 mil on ''Young
British Talents'' Henderson, Downing
and Carroll and apparently Liverpool is
keen on carrying out 'similar'
recruitment in the future(Sinclair,Allen,Dyer etc). We have
scored 25 goals in 22 matches, sitting 7th in the table, just lost 3-1 to B0LT0N and Kenny is expecting a quiet transfer window.Something i've missed?
Marius


I dont think buying players is the answer... top 4 has gone this season... from now to end of the season Kenny needs to decide who in the current squad is good enough and work out whos goin and whos coming in. I think Carroll and Adam will go and Hendo and Downing will stay.


Although it looks more unlikely we should not be talking about throwing in the towel-its not over till the fat lady sings and KK and SC should motivate the players to think that 4th is still achievable!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:09:55
I can not believe i am reading through these posts and seeing gerrard being blamed.... and you FRICKING REAL!! when he was out we was crying for him back he came back, played fantastic and after yesterday he disturbed our midfield... we have been moaning there is no one who will take the game to the other team or no one creative enough and gerrard trys it , and a few of you fickle idiotic fans are slating this guy who has done every thing in his power to improve this club.
You always seem to know best after a result.
I travel from Wales all the time to watch my beloved Liverpool through good and bad times and never have heard such nonsense from fans... Steven Gerrard is and will be the heartbeat in this team for years to come...
I Swear to god i wish i could meet some of you fans face to face and smack some sense into you.
Get Gerrard out, Why don't you get the F**k out and support city or chelsea you glory ungrateful little gits.
G BOX


Spot on lad, nice one.

Waro


This is football mate. The players have to perform equally in very game. You must agree that yesterday and with Stoke NONE of the players performed except Bellamy. Gerard as a captain should give them a shout or two to wake them up


HA!, cheers G BOX!

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:09:55
We can continue to make excuses about the large element of new players within the team, but ultimately they are not performing well enough.
I believe Rafa hasn't taken another job because he's waiting in the wings. I predict Rafa will take KK's job and Kenny will stay on in some lesser capacity. Thoughts?


I think that's what Raffa wants,
but its not what Liverpool needs.


I was thinking the same, no disrespect to kenny but i have a feeling rafa is waiting in the wings and hes been out a while and studied hard to find the exact players he wants, if he comes in this time i think he would surprise us with some quality signings.RedTurk


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:07:25
If Kenny was the manager for the next few years we will loose all our quality players because the want CL football.The owner will no longer back him in the transfer window and we will finish mid table year in year out. The bookies say he is about to be sacked.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:05:44
I can't bring myself to read through all the predictable negative posts. Bolton played well and deserved to win, they hustled us even when we had the ball in defense and in midfield and never sat back even when they were two goals up. They did not let us play and they did not lets us settle on the ball, it was very like the spurs game. We were missing a player in the defensive midfield role, with Lucas and Spearing injured, (at least I think spearing is still injured?). Adam can't play DM, no speed can't tackle, He would be a great player if he can add this to his game as Lucas did. Adam likes to go forward. Henderson is better in central midfield, but better going forward, he also has to learn the defending role too, I think he has great potential. Gerrard, is back from long injury and he does not want to go throwing himself into tackles as a DM has too. I think it is better for us that Gerrard keeps himself fit for as many games as possible. He has great experience and is a leader and mentor for the young lads. So no one picked up the runners from their 5 man midfield and this was the missing keystone in the game, everything crumbled down for Liverpool from here. I thought Carroll did not have too bad a game, he setup Bellamy for the goal, put in some good crosses even. Kuyt, can play right midfield, but ultimately, we always was a striker, not a natural midfield player. Bellamy is just fantastic where ever he plays. Its amazing that one of our best players we got on a free transfer. I like to see him up front. The referee did not have a good game, we should have had a penalty, Bellamy was put through clear and was called offside. Quite a few decision went against us. Downing is disappointing, he is such a crucial player for us, he is someone who should be unlocking defenses, putting in goal scoring crosses and even scoring goals himself. He should be feeding the strikers all game, keeping the fire burning, keeping up the pressure on the other teams. Maybe he's got to learn, maybe he needs to come out of his shell, maybe he is just not good enough (I doubt it) but if he was on fire, Liverpool would be above the top 4 now I'm sure. Move on, bring on the mancs! RedAce.


I agree carrol was'nt bad yesterday some of his lay off for bellamy were top notch, i like seing bellamy playing off his shoulder ready to pounce on any flick on's. Unfortunatly we lost the game in midfield and miss lucus badly, im still not convinced gerrard is fit, henderson has potential but is not good enough yet to be relied on.

Red Grand


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:05:37
We got face it our team ain't good enough we finish 7 th with our team unless we buy 2 big names which I doubt so get ready for poor season if we were serious abt going for league next year we buy hazard.remy players of this quality


Remy?, that's your answer?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:04:23
No one wants a mickey mouse cup KENNY OUT NOW.


I want it


Most fans don't give a monkey about the carling cup mate


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:03:32
Odds have been cut for kenny being sacked can't wait to get a manager who knows something about buying quality players.


He's made one bad buy in my opinion AC


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:01:26
Where is the yellow line at the bottom of my sky sports news screen saying the worst manager in Liverpool history has been sacked. He should be humiliated like the fans were that paid to watch that. Instead of blaming the players he should look in the mirror because he spent the money and bought championship players. I want a refund because i spent over 120 pounds on travel and a ticket to witness that.


Get a grip mate

Ynwa


"worst manager in Liverpool history" - get your head examined. You have no respect for this club.


Why don't you go the Cinema instead as Football can be quite unpredictable and not good for the faint hearted.
kidmillions


You must of missed it mate. It flash up about 12 months ago that our worst ever manager has been sacked.

MIKEY


Go to Anfield , get your refund and don't come back .

If you can't support Kenny Dalglish then you can't support LFC .

Qwerty


Watch how many empty seat there will be if we loose again this month


Not many 'empty seats' I would guess. For 1 of you idiots shouting for Kenny's head, there will be 10 others backing him up.

AG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 10:00:16
Daglish will now have to be ruthless for the good of Lfc,
We are definitely on the right track and have been dominating possession in most games this season but since Suarez ban we have slowly but surely lost confidence and I think we probably now all realise as if we didn't before just how good a player Luis Suarez really is. We need to find a Centre Forward to partner Suarez as soon as possible " Like Now "
Even if we fund it with the "January Bargain Sale" of Carroll,Kuyt,Skyrtle and Maxi, we will lose these 4 players from the squad and actually be better off.
I know some people will say why Skyrtle? we can do without him and put the money to better use.
kidmillions


Ur kidding rite? Skrtel has been on of our best performers this season. Who the f**k will partner agger in defense if skrtel leaves?
personally i wud let kuyt, carrol, adam, downing leave, though i doubt we wud get even 35 million for all of them put together.
Indian Buzzer


Kelly, Coates, Carra by the way I do agree Skrytle has been one of our better players?
But he's worth money and we won't miss him.
kidmillions


Kelly could definately fill the role if johnson continues playing right back, even coates should be given the chance.RedTurk


Who is this Skyrtle, as checked the team on the official site and nobody of that name has ever played for us?

If you support the team, then at least get their names right! Sorry Eds, but this continually annoys me and makes you wonder at times!

As for the other players, we have to work out how we will play and if Carroll in particular, will be the player to come on to change a game if things are not going right! He was not a bad player when we first bought him and it doesn't bother me if he is on the bench!

Keith


Sell Martin SKRTEL? Jokes right? Along with Agger, Enrique and Suarez (Lucas if he wasn't out for the season), have been our best players this season!

AG


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:59:07
So so disapointed in yesterdays result pethetic is maybe the word for it!!now if we go and sighn jelavic when sow is avalible i will be amazed anyone who thinks that jelavic is the better option then they need help and if managment think he is the better option the that would be very concerning!!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:56:25
Carling cup prediction

Liverpool 0 city 7

With Kennys tactics might be more for city.


You kids do love your holidays and weekends ahhh bless


Hopefully Bolton's result is the kick up the arse these players need and we'll get the result we need against City! Spearing will hopefully be back and so the back 3/4/5/6 will get some cover, unlike with what Adam does in that role!

Keith {Ed001's Note - why are you blaming Adam? Gerrard was there too, why is it Adam at fault? Gerrard is the captain, he has to take the lion's share of the responsibility for not telling Adam to cover the gaps or for not covering them himself. It is time people stopped blaming the new boys and realised that the team as a whole is at fault, just as much those that were already there. What was Maxi doing yesterday? Johnson? Gerrard? The whole team, bar Bellamy, let us down as a whole, they should all be ashamed of themselves. But Gerrard, as captain, needs to start being a captain, he can't always dig us out of holes with a surging run and shot. He has to start remembering that there are ten other players on a team and start talking to them on the pitch. Giving out orders, waking them up, firing them up with words as well as actions.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:51:24
Hey Ed's and readers, just woke up to see Daglish's comments about the players, quite funny i think as i thought the problem yesterday was straight down tactics and management.
Now i never blame Daglish or the managers as it's to easy to blame them when things go wrong, but i travel to home and away games a lot so i see what Daglish is seeing, Charlie Adam has been terrible for weeks and weeks and anybody with half a football brain should know him and Gerrard will not complement each other.
Jordan Henderson comes under a lot of stick on here and he wasn't fantastic as a right winger but i felt when he moved back into the middle he was really beginning to settle down and play, but he was moved back to right wing yesterday.
Andy Carrol the biggest question mark yet! if you look through my posts you will see i have defended Carrol but after yesterday i can understand why people get angry, once again the service to him was poor but he actually put a good shift in running... however that is not enough, he touch was terrible his control was terrible link up play was terrible (Except the bellars flick), and it was even starting to show with the players (Gerrard and Bellers , the looks they gave him) he may be low on confidence but this can not keep going on, he should have really grasped this place with LS out but he hasn't and he can only blame him self.

When i seen the lineup yesterday i was quite happy i assumed it would be a middle 3 with bellars and maxi either side of carrol. But daglish went a bit negative against a relegation side which teams have been destroying.

I feel fourth place is gone now as this is the 4th time chelsea have slipped up before we play and we have not done a thing about it,

Maybe daglish needs to get on the blower and order a right winger who can beat players and a fox in the box striker.
Easier said than done i know, but we move on to the next game now and support the boys.

All in all a bad day at the office...

Just my two cents

Any one agree or disagree i would like to hear your opinions.
Cheers
G BOX


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:49:39
We need 3 players badly a defensive mid to cover for lucas in my view 2 of bolton goals wouldnt have happened if we had a dm on the pitch and 2 very obvious are a right winger and another striker


And a new manager


It goes to show how much we miss lucas after the last few games.
Wishing you a speedy recovery Lucas.
G BOX


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:48:25
You know what is he worst thing about this rumours site. It's not the pure fabrated lie's that some people just make up, it's the fact that every dead line day come's the same feeling that we missed any good target. The fact that our club never even look at some of the quality players mentioned. And just ended up signing more deadwood crap like we did in the last window. No ambition for fourth spot at all. Comoli she have nothing to do with this club. If we finish outside the top four and that look very likely then come the summer we will be no further forward to what we were the start of this season. WE NEED SIGNINGS NOW COME ON KENNY FOR GOD SAKE


 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:21:20
Would be interested in hearing Macca's take on the team's performances etc lately. 6 points from 6 games is really poor.

Just a general question here and not lookin for Kenny to be sacked.

But do you know what the owners stance is regarding him? Not gettin CL football etc?

Cheers!


John Henry said, it would be "disappointing" if we don't finish in the top 4 and is known to change managers if they don't meet their targets, ruthless but fair...

I would like to see Henry shake things up, When over 100m is spent, there NEEDS to be results. If not, there will be consequence.

Kenny stinks. He must be sacked simple as that.


Kenny will not get sacked! If they were to get a new Manager in, Kenny will be moved to an Ambassador role or whatever his role was before.

Who would you have as new manager though?


Rafa Benitez. Nesv n rafa r a match made in heaven.
Indian Buzzer


Could deal with rafa, hiddink? or even give young managers like brendon rogers a go hes done a brilliant job at swansea


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:45:44
sunday supplement spot on , mentioned downing adam henderson n carrol, plus if hodgson was in charge he would be out the door,multi million pound deals n fees for these players , close to 100million spent guys, fees wages etc , we wouldnt even get half for these players now , they werent even worth half in the 1st place
5gold stars


Them lot on that programme are all anti-liverpool , They hate us and love to see us in this posiition and they're the reasons i stopped watching it years ago. One so called " spot on " comment doesn't make them experts when they sau what we FANS know anyway.


Well to be fair its pretty much what lots of us have been saying for weeks on here, even them idiots can see it, 3 wins at home , fewest goals n average players at huge cost,
5 gold strs


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:41:31
Hi eds not a rumour just my thought on the club at the moment..kenny has bought young players who i have faith will become good ie. henderson coates and hopefully carroll who we should have let get more experience at newcastle before we bought but whats done is done, adam will always be an average player who looked good at a small club..we need a big player to fill alonso's void who will do well with stevie G and suarez who i have faith will wait another season for cl football if we dont get it now.. but wait until the summer and do it properly this time!! no more rushed signings loan in two good players for now then buy class with experience and not too young when the summer comes.... COME ON KENNY.

YNWA our time will come....Again


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:34:04
After d defeat against bolton i think we shld give kd next 3 matches(mancity,man.u,tot'ham).if kd cant win d 3matches then he shld quit bcos i dont any improvement in the team after spending 100m+ on craps like andy carrol,adam,downing and we're still struggling.
Kd shld also sign a quality striker not craps like bent,jelavic or defoe.
I dnt knw y we play well against big team but awful against the smaller ones,kd may win the carling+fa cup but without a champions league slot we'll keep going down.
FRUSTRASTED KOP NIGERIA


I agree mate. i think the game that might determine if kenny will go or stay is the spurs game. if we win that game 4-0 or 5-0, i will be so happy and maybe supporters will give kenny time. but if we lose that game (which i hope not), kenny must go.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:32:54
after last nights display I am very very dissapointed ccan anyone tell me why we brought shelvey back from loan to play in one game and then keep the bench warm.Please kenny if we are not going to buy lets bring in a few of the kids and see what happens what have we got to lose


It's not the fact of playing them, we got nothing to lose, you have to look after the youngsters, if you throw them in now and they struggle, confidence is blown straight away, you don't want to burn them out, and most of all these guys are not physically ready yet, suso, sterling E.T.C would get hammered... they will be playing when ready.
G BOX


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:32:04
I think its not right to blame KK for the defeat. The players (apart from Bellamy) are underperforming big time. Players need to take the blame. They had no energy or desire in the match.

That said there are two things I would say that KK has to change. Firstly send Carol on loan so that he plays regularly without pressure of expectations and gets his form back (at current form Cara is better striker than him).

Secondly, I feel (and I know I will get stick for this) Stevie G disrupts the rythem of the team. Since he has come back, the midfield has really underperform as all of them are forced to pass the ball to him all the time. I think there was a reason why Rafa played him on the right rather than the center. KK should do the same.


Are you deluded he bought Carroll and its not his fault fans like you are the reason he still has a job he is the worst manager (including hogson) that we have had for a decade


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:30:45
hi guys great website. in my opinion, the season is already over us. useless players and a manager with no idea of what to do. top 4 is gone now and i don't care about the carling or fa cup. champions league is more important than those domestic trophys. i hate europa league football. what do u guys think?. thanks and ynwa


What I think is that your a tit!!

LAVERS


Lavers your the delude tit and the minority


Lavers is the tit


Lavers translated roughly means tit


Ok I know this is probably the same guy posting.

So you would turn down winning any domestic cup just to be in the champions league!

Don't be such a Fecking idiot.

Players want to win things I'm pretty sure they don't get any awards for coming 4th in the league.

LAVERS


I did not post the comments about lavers. i posted the first comment about the players, manager and trophys etc. lavers i understand what you are saying, but in my opinion, champions league football is more important than a domestic trophy. we can get world class players and challenge for titles. the reason why i don't like carling or fa cup is because we then automatically go to the europa league. Also playing in a thursday will give the team less time to get ready for a premier league game, which would take place 48 hours later. that is all im saying. also there was no need to call me a tit when it is the overrated players that are tits.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:18:58
We need to get rid of Kenny and bring in Mourinho.
We need to get rid of all the deadwood at Anfield, Carragher and Gerrard included.
Let's stop wasting the owners money on daft wages.
A groundshare with Everton is the only way forward because it's not going to happen on our own.
This was actually meant to be our year, so God help us next season.
In a way, i'm glad we lost last night because Bolton will soon overtake Everton and i hate them. Geoff, Stoke.


Everything you said there makes me believe you have no clue about football and probably still have your food mashed up by mummy.
G BOX


When did gerrard become deadwood? he is still our best player along with suarez.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:17:49

is Jelavic good enough to play for Liverpool?
tom


Is Carroll,Downing,Adam and any of the crap KENNY BOUGHT. Suarez is a great player but off the pitch he has destroyed the repuatation of our club he has done more damage then any players!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:17:12
(2.96.97.139)
21 Jan 2012 21:28:42
Without sounding too harsh, Dalglish needs to pull his finger out and stop being so stubbourn. It is clear to see we need a new striker, and that Carroll simply isn't good enough. He's said the money is there so use it on a proven prolific goalscorer and a creative midfielder. Honda and Sow for £25m would be a steal in my eyes and make a huge difference.
C'MON KENNY!
YNWA {Ed018's Note -


Carroll and another striker are the last of liverpools worry. try centre mid and the wings first. were a joke

Agree pal he keeps sayin hes happy wit the current squad. hopefully he's just playin the transfer window cat and mouse game cuz a man of his footballing knowledge seriously cant be happy with our squad

Start backing Carroll FFS he did nothing wrong apart from 2 poor touches today he is used as a scapegoat to cover up the other bad performances in the side Why johnson is in the side over Kelly I will never know.

Neither honda or sow are proven in the prem and from what ive seen of sow im glad we havent signed him! not saying im rating carrolls recent performances but i dont see that signing more squad players will improve us a great deal.
bellers squeaky knee

I dont know why you all want Sow for he is crap

And everyone called rafa stubborn

There is nothing harsh about your post fella.....there is big big problems and this is not a couple of game "blips"! Adams, does nothing but give freekicks in dangerous positions....fail! Downing, fail!! Henderson..maybe one for the future. Skrtel...liability, (why was he trying to bring somone down as they ran into the area!!Again....yaya toure??!!)Maxi looked fed up, Kuyt well, gone, as much as i think has been our hardest working player for a long time...gone...then Carrol....worked his nuts off...for nowt, as did Bellemy. At times today we were that bad we looked worst than my 9 year old sons team...we need more bite, more passion, but most of all , someone to feed off those balls that Carrol kept winning....buy a striker, a proven goalscorer!And the rest of the team, get a grip....your better than that, and you know it!Y.N.W.A. pINHEAD.

I completely agree, without goals no points come our way, and without points no decent league position an no 'flair' so to speak to attract players to score us goals. something needs to change and to bo honest we need a striker who will score goals and that is what it is all about

All the best teams have the"fox in the box"...we need a striker, and if we don`t buy one, then maybe Morgan has to be tried. Owen, Fowlerboth young when tried in the first team, and both succeeded because of their hunger......lets be honest, we do not worry teams at the moment....and that must worry lfc!Y.N.W.A. PINHEAD {Ed001's Note - did you watch Morgan this morning? He is worryingly out of form and was very poor for the U18s, missing a penalty. I am not sure he is the answer at all, unfortunately, at the moment.}

Missed the game this morning ed. Not saying that Morgan is answer, just thinking out loud....if not buying, why not try somone from reserves. We have in the past spent millions and bought a player who has failed, but we are not willing to try a player from reserves, who has cost us ......not too much!As a club we have to accept that we can not compete in the market with man city or chelsea , but do you get more pleasure from finding a player from your own stock , or paying £50mil for a player from a spanish club.......Fowler will always be my hero...how much did he cost!!?

Sorry fogot to sign that from pinhead!

Carroll gets an assist and costant awful balls yet still gains criticism try blaming our King for bad signings not Carrolls fault the winger to help hims on the bench the other is a central midfielder and Gerrards not fit, the club won't finish forth and don't deserve to yet

KK has to step down,wasted so much funds on carrol, downing,adam.....thats a lot,bring back RAFA and give transfer funds he will make it happend like he did 2005 with even worst team we had!! thats solution!

I was one to say bring kenny back but with the view that if top 4 does not come well i think he should put liverpool first witch i know he always does and step out of managment and back into the board room before ye jump at me i'm 100% a kenny fan but he bought the players and i dont want anybody to say look what kenny done to our club it would not be fair...if we win the cups well it will be hard to say good by to the king but i thought top 4 was what he was brought into do i do hope to god he turn's it around Y.N.WA

chris irish aussie

Oh how the worm has turned in a year. 12 months ago KK was the saviour. Now he is to step down!!!! Shut the **** up the lot of you. Apart from Bolton and Spurs we have played some decent stuff, but i think the confidence has taken a battering and players like Adam and Downing need to get their heads straight. I agree that we need a striker even when Suarez is back. We desperately miss Lucas but apart from that i dont think there is a lot wrong. Its work in progress guys, we have started so far behind the other top teams in terms of development that we need to catch up and let the team bed in.
Give it a chance.

You say that Morgan missed a penalty? He would fit in well with the first team then! how many have we missed this season?


For me our current position is totally unacceptable when you consider money spent. There are several mitigating circumstances however.

Referee decisions costing us in games earlier in the season.

Poor finishing throughout the season, that's not Kenny's fault.

Hitting the bar or post something like 17 or 18 times is just unlucky.

Over the last few games our form has markedly dipped co-inciding with our cup runs, for me it is unacceptable for the players to drop their perfomance level so much.

But Kenny has to take ultimate responsibility. If I were John Henry I would not be particularly happy right now, Carling and FA cup aside. I'd give up silverware to get into the Champions League as it will unlock the potential to buy the stars we need. What is 6th/7th every year in the league going to to do to attract decent players?

Now I think next year will see players like Henderson and I think Carroll do better as they adjust but for me jury's out on Downing.

What would I do if I was Kenny?

Drop Adam and make him play with the kids and get rid of him at the end of the season - he's absolutely rubbish. When Speaking is back play him with Gerrard and/or Henderson.

Loan a striker who can finish with an option to buy.

Play Downing on the left and tell him to get down the byline and put crosses in, otherwise what's the point in playing Carroll?

Drop Johnson and play Kelly.

In the summer:

Buy a finisher and pay whatever it takes, someone who can read Suarez.
Buy a right winger who can cross with pace.
But a playmaker in midfield and ship Adam to the Championship where he belongs.
Buy a defender who will be 4th choice as Carra gets close to retirement.
Buy a 2nd choice left back as cover for Enrique.
Get rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Johnson and Aurelio and other reserve players who aren't going to make it.

Just my thoughts
Hessle Red


Just a small point. We keep saying when suarez comes back.....not being funny, he is a quality player, but not a prolific goalscorer. We need a striker, on to play alongside Carrol. There is nothing wrong with the way Carrol plays and he will come good, but he needs a partner and more quality in the approach play.When fully fit Gerrard will supply him with the balls he needs, but again we are relying on one player....Adam, Downing especially have to step up or go.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:02:43
Watched the game last nite and I have never seen a more disjointed midfield than last nite,I don't know wat u thoughts r ed,but I know we have never had a better player than Gerrard,but since he as came bi into the side the team looks disorganised,no balance and let's b honest daglish is makin it that way just looks like the players have lost there way smthin needs sortin and quick because no chance of 4 and the way it's going no Europe at all and I'm always rite behind my team but sme things need sayin ,but just lie 2say top site well done all the eds ,I'm addicted keep up the good work


 

 

22 Jan 2012 09:14:08
I think people are going well OTT from last night. Dont get me wrong it was a bad performance but its gone now need to get behind the team and kenny for wed a massive semi.

I felt last night that we badly lacked bite in midfield and we had a non existent right back who surely its time to drop him now and play Kelly. Lets hope spearing is fit for wed. Enrique had a bad game as well but has been consistent this season, my only criticism his he holds on to the ball for to long. Maxi, kuyt and johnson lets hope move on to new clubs in the near future

Kenny needs around 6 transfer windows before we can judge him properly and he gets rid of the deadwood left by hodgson and rafa. We are definitely are on the right track but we need a couple of new faces this window to freshen the squad up.

Mighty reds


100million spent, there is no one left from hodgson, he even got rid of hodgsons only decent buy


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:56:06
Im sorry kenny, but the players you say that didnt perform to our standards are "you're" own very expensive signings. And they will never perform to our standards cos they are not good enough to play for us. I saw this coming way back when we started buying expensive avarage players. Pls start buying quality and start ofloading the crap you have signed so far, or else we are going to become a mid table team like we allready look like. Sorry but thats my opinion!


You dont get to buy real quality players, eg Messi, etc until ur in the champions league, or you have city type money.

Sooty


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:50:12
GUYS come on..... You have to be real

We have YEARS to go by the time lfc will be a top 2 or 3 team.

Look at the rubbish players we have, and no wingers ho can take people on...even west brom and swansea have good wingers... Only lui can get the ball and take it past people

So I know that until we get rid of the crap players we have and buy good quality wingers and attackers...our seaons every year will have a few wins...minute draw many losses and say goodbye to the lfc reputation


Aye all the quality players must be lining up to sign for us. Simple truth is that LFC are a top mid table side. We now are a selling club not a buying club. We dont have the finance or astute management to compete anymore.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:48:04
This is just my opinion but if the money is there then why arent liverpool goin for class world talent over poor british talent, lets face it the likes of henderson, adam, downing, and carroll are a complete waste of time and money. For say 50 million the likes of sow, podolski and honda could be bought in and would make a hell of a difference. They are world class and within our budget. I watch every liverpool game and you can tell teams dont fear us anymore, to be honest they shouldnt. Its not good enough grinding out the odd result, we need class now!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:46:27
Y don't we take advantage of kakas position at Madrid not really played much and not spoken to by mourinhothen we would more creation from midfield and someone who can actually attack a penalty box a def mid is a must, Adam just meanders about no go in the fatty


And kaka will want to play the exact same position Stevie G was named in last night, and i'm pretty sure Stevie's not one of the places we need to replace


Don't be blinded by sentiment that's happened for the last twenty years. Y can't gerrard and kaka play together? With Lucas holding, how we miss that boy hope everyone who as slated him feels a little bit of regret?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:37:53
Well after a dissapointing result I have to admit that I still feel some optimism for fourth place. I know that might sound naive and short sighted but actually not much has changed after yesterdays results and as long as Arsenal don't beat the scum then we are still in with a shout. Everyone has dropped points and with Suarez only missing one more league game we have every chance of clicking in the final third and getting some goals. I think the big difference for us is we haven't coped with the adversity of losing Lucas, Suarez and Gerrard to some extent. The new players are still understanding the pressure that comes with playing for LFC and have been found a bit wanting but I do believe they will come good. Our saving grace during this testing time is that our 4th place rivals are just as inconsistent and don't look like sorting it out any quicker than us. C'mon the reds 4th place is still attainable. Tobiwan


4th place is gone... we do not have enough quality at the moment, i know you say not a lot has changed but the fact is chelsea actually gained a point despite having a terrible result, i think this is the 4th time chelsea has played before us and droppped points and we did not take advantage. Games are running out for us to catch up and we are not capable of going on a good winning run, we all know we are going to get at least one more disappointing result against a poor side, that seems to be the liverpool way at the moment.
G BOX


Good post mate. After yesterdays performance, And KK Keeping them in the changing room for nearly an hour tells its own story. One eye on the cup ties maybe. KK Cant and wont accept that kind of performance, As stated in his after match interview. We are still in the mix, Luis to come back, So stop whinging and get behind the team, They need are support, Not slatting, After all, Arent we supposed to be the best fans in the world, Lets prove it. At the end of the storm........"YNWA."


We r not gonna beat wolves either. They will take the game to us just like bolton did.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:23:16
Undoubtedly KD was a legend as a player, but when he became manager back in the eighties he turned us into an ordinary team and we've never really got back to the top. Then he left with stress. I for one miss the old Liverpool football play. He's just not up to it. Think it's time to give a ball playing manager like Brendon Rogers or Ian Holloway a shot. If they can get there average talent teams playing like they do, then they might just be able to do what KD can't with our over paid so called big stars and getting them playing something like the Liverpool way.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:08:06
I don't know about u guys but I have seen a few comments that we need to give time for the team to gel....are u serious?? Look at Man City, they have bought loads players and there team seems to have gelled pretty well and a hell of a lot quicker! I spose the difference is that they are real quality players, where as Adam, Carroll, downing & co are just sub-standard! Simple!!


Do you think Man City only came into their money this year?? Yes they've been adding player, but the players have been coming into a strong core structure that has been built over the last 3 years

Red7.


And yes, they are class players, the amount of money City have had to pay to get and keep them there is just ridiculous.

Red7.


Remember they started to rebuild the club under Shinawatra & Eriksson some years ago .

There project has been running for many years now using 3 managers to date .

Qwerty


 

 

22 Jan 2012 08:02:35
I saw a post earlier that said Rafa bought only 5 decent players.

Reina
Torres
Alonso
Mascherano
Arbeloa
Benayoun
Garcia
Agger
Johnson
Lucas

I make that a lot more than 5.

The posts also mentioned the fact he signed over 75 players.

Although the amount of money spent on players was high, we have made a profit on nearly every player sold. Also, he had to be a wheeler dealer to get new players as we have never had the money to waste over £25m on one player.

Someone also suggested he never won any of the 4 finals he got us to.

Champions League winner
Champions League loser
FA Cup winner
UEFA Super Cup winner
Charity Shield Winner
Worthington Cup Loser

Doesn't look like it to me. Of the 4 (proper finals - not including the super cup or charity shield) he actually won 2 of them.

He got us to the No.1 rank of all teams in europe.
We consistantly qualified for the champions league and regularly got to the latter stages.

We finished 2nd in the league with a points total that would have won most years.

He re-structured the Academy and youth set-up.

He managed to get rid of Rick Parry.
He exposed H&G for what they were doing (ultimately it cost him his job). He was not allowed to spend the Alonso money. We didn't replace him or Mascherano. The knock-on effect meant we have lost Torres as well.

He managed to attract world class players to LFC based on his reputation rather than the situation we are now in where we can't get that level of player in at the moment.

I'm sick of people having a go at Rafa.

He loves the club and the city. Still lives there. Has put loads of money into the HJC. Great tactician.

If he could be brought back to the club as manager only, it would be a good thing.

His sole job would be first team coach/manager.

The academy and reserves are set.
The scouting network is set.
The medical staff are set.
The board are in place.

If he did/does come back, I wouldn't want KK to go. He could move to a Football director position and have a position overseeing all aspect of the club. Maybe even re-establishing a boot room to bring through new future managers from within the club (Carra, Stevie etc).

Rafa could probably get all of his 1st choice targets rather than having to make do or having to sell a good player to try and get a slightly different good player.

Don't forget the list of players I put at the top of the list.

If you add, Carra & Stevie to the list and then add a few of the targets that Rafa was not able to get, we would have had and would still have a world class team challenging for everything.

Alves - Parry too slow to get the transfer going and then decided against it
Mata
Silva
Villa - £10m would have bought him at the time, but Parry wouldn't sanction the move
Vidic - I think we lost out on him and then bought Skrtel
Aguero - Parry would not risk £10m-£15m on an unproven teenager
Aguero


It's 2012 now, get over it.

Red7.


I actually think Skrtel is better than Vidic atm.


That makes it 11 players, (I include Skrtel) in 6 years! Yeah that's right 6 years!!

AG


It's amazing that he was able to get those 11 world class players in then in that time when you consider what he was working against and was able to get them here at a time when we weren't able to really attract the mega stars.
These players came on the basis of rafa's reputation alone.


Wow 11??? Imagine that....11 world class players in your team. If only we could have that now??


 

 

22 Jan 2012 07:00:14
Spearing is exactly what we need at the base of our midfield, like Lucas he is nothing flash, but if we learned anything from the bolton match it's that we need these kind of players to beat the likes of bolton and stoke, obviously we need goals too, but we need that committment and defensive capability in midfield, not just at the back. A big reason why our back 4 were cut to ribbons was because every time Bolton got the ball it was their midfield and forwards vs our back 4, they had time to pick passes and get through our defenders because we had nobody shutting the ball down, Adam did what he could, but it's not his game, he tackles like Paul Scholes, and Stevie had to stay up the park because we were chasing goals.
Throw Coady in, that's my answer to all this. This will also get the pressure off Enrique and Johnson because they just folded in defence today... That said i still feel Kelly should be first choice at RB, Johnson doesn't look interested at all lately, he may be leaving?

I've had a lot to say, in a few different rants, all in a short amount of time here but i've just watched the game AGAIN, why i would do that to myself i have no idea, but i feel the performance deserved some more analysis.

After watching again i see things more clearly, I'm not frightened like i was last night. We'll be ok.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 06:44:15
To add, isn't it about time the players took some responsibility? They know they're talented, we know they're talented, so whether it's confidence or lack of effort, they're the ones doing the job and should be held accountable at some level shouldn't they??

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 06:36:27
Our back 4 were TERRIBLE last night, as was Maxi, yes Agger and Enrique got forward quite well, and Agger defended ok.... but when it came to our defensive display, well it was woeful. Had our defenders been on their game it would've been a different story, but in saying that, nobody else really looked like they wanted to be there(except Bells). I also think we saw tonight just how much we miss Lucas or Spearing in the starting line-up. It sounds as though i'm just being too easy, but we were simply off our game tonight, while Bolton were absolutely gagging for the encounter, haven't seen a team that keen in a long while.
As far as i'm concerned, the tactics were fine, we were just blown off the park and for some reason didn't see it coming...
Our positioning all over the pitch was ok, but our movement was slow due to our lack of committment. It hurt to see, especially in the first 30 mins, but the good thing about just being off your game, is that it doesn't become a habit.

We know our players have ability, and we know how strong our defence is, so we will bounce back from this, and what a time to do it. Bring on City.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 06:30:05
Moussa sow (spelling) is available this window and for a decent price and has basically said he wants to play for Liverpool fc, so why doesnt Dalglish pull his finger out and sign someone that's wants to play for Liverpool (sow) instead of sticking with a big useless Viking (Andy Carroll) that looks like he doesn't even want to play for Liverpool!

Another one is Charlie Adam, he is a fat, lazy, useless t**t! I would start Henderson, Shelvey or spearing In the middle instead or sign a decent mid fielder (no over rated and over priced English players)!

And I don't wonna hear, go support city or united or have faith in the players! Faith in the players? I'm starting to loose faith in Dalglish! I'm one of thousands of Liverpool fans that is getting more and more frustrated with Dalglish!

I would be happy with,

Carroll, Adam, downing, kuyt - OUT!
&
Sow, grenaro (spelling, player from Madrid), Sinclair, dyer or affaley - IN!

YNWA!


I agree with the Adam comment, I always supported him and thought with a little more effort he'd be great. That all changed last night where he played worse than most non-league players. As for saying Carroll doesn't want to play for us I think is untrue, he is trying to learn a different role in the team and has zero confidence. I think he will come good and he had a period where he was passing well and moving into good positions.

I'd keep Carroll because if he can become a decent passer, with both his feet and his head, he'll be an amazing player as we already know the power he can generate in that left boot.

Dalglish obviously has an idea what he wants to do, and he knows his job isn't as secure as it should be, but I think we should give him the time he deserves and see if he can shape these players into a world class team.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 06:18:48
Is it my imagination or has carroll really not fully recovered from his lengthy layoff? he seems bulkier than he was at newcastle. we cannot simply judge a player when he's not fit. If he works harder in training, i believe we will all see his true potential. As for the game yesterday, keep chin up pals, its all good. no point moaning over lost points.


piccolo


Disagree. He looks leaner and weaker than he was at Newcastle. He was always slow and unfit but at least could bully defenders. Now he is on his @ss all game.

Downing, Adam & Hendo also look half the players they were at previous clubs. Not sure where the problem is. Perhaps changing their games too much and not using their strengths we bought them for.

Chuck Norris


Not fit? He out pissed every week, he's an embarrassment to the club, not good enough, and the less said about Charlie Adam the better, blackpool to Liverpool, hha


 

 

22 Jan 2012 04:23:00
look,if iam Suarez,i would leave,no question,he was promised top4 CL serius team-mates,not jokers who faild against 3 bottom,hey Iam afraid but its a truth,future is not bright,the only bright star GERARD,but he has left one/two seasons,truly feeling sorry for Lad,CL TROPHEY and thats all he does deserve more.....RAFFAEL BENITEZ


Well u aint Suarez, ur a mug!


The only trophy Gerrard doesn't have is the Premier League.
He has won everything else and is paid a nice sum each week.
Don't feel too sorry for him.


I'm with the un-named poster that called you a mug!

Red7.


If you're going to come on here bleating learn to spell the names of the players ffs


 

 

22 Jan 2012 04:20:35
hi, ed's. after seeing liverpool play last night i came to think, qualifying for cl is very bleak. mane we shouldn't sing anyone and sign people in the summer. what do you say? {Ed019's Note - It would be very hard to sign players this window anyway}


Pretty sure that's the plan anyway mate, for most clubs.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 03:42:13
please liverpool bring in a quality striker before its to late i know suarez is coming back but we need someone who is gonna score goals our poor finishing is starting to affect the rest of the team

gee man


I'm afraid it is all ready to late we Are building for the future mAybe in 9 or 10 years we will challenge again


In Andy Carroll we TRUST!

He will become world class striker under Kenny Dalglish.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 03:38:19
I wrot me a post lastnight about kenny's tactics ect and I got completely abused for it! People calling me every name under the sun and saying I wasnt a true Liverpool supporter and what not, now we have been beat by one of the worst teams in the league most of you are now questioning kenny's tactics ect, and saying he doesnt know what he's doing! It's write, I hate myself for saying this but kenny needs to go, NOW! For the sake of the club!

Kenny is hiding behind his own reputation and fans are living in the past. Yes, kenny is a Liverpool legend but he isn't good enough to get us champions league football, not with the team he's got now, he needs to stop being a stubborn t**t and sign a few attacking players! Not ones like bent, Defoe, Lennon, ect! We need players like honda, sow, afellay, de Jong, Adam Johnson, ect! Think you get my point!

I seriously hope Dalglish or someone high up in Liverpool fc visits this site and sees how frustrated the fans are becoming and deside to pull there f%!king finger out and do something for the club and fans!

SIGN SOME NEW ATTACKING PLAYERS!

YNWA JD!


I'm not questioning his tactics, the tactics are fine, if the players have an off night, which they can and will from time to time, people forget the players are still human. Then if it's not an off match for them, they're just not playing to the game-plan, despite what people say, that squad can beat anyone in the prem on it's day, we've seen it haven't we, sometimes they just don't turn up, last night was one of those times.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 03:31:01
I have never slated any Liverpool player on this site or anywhere in general, and Im not going to now, but I feel its time to give Adam a rest and try to teach him its about the TEAM. I have given him the benefit of the doubt many times but I am now sick of him shooting and wasting posession when other players are in a better position to score. And Charlie, sometimes the simple pass is 100% more effective than the long hopeful one. i know he is a good passer of the ball but he will never be in the same class as Alonso, (although I agree not many players will be.) Give him a break from playing, sort his fitness out and I think we'd see a different player when he gets back in the team. The Robster.


I'd give my left arm to have Alonso back, absolute class
Kenny2


I agree. Charlie is soooooo slow in midfield at times and takes two touches where a first time ball will do. As you say he is often too greedy and will seek glory when a simple pass to another player would be more dangerous. I know he was used to doing it all at Blackpool, but he's not yet got out of that mentality. I have questioned for quite a while whether he has the speed of thought to be anything more than a back up player.
Our midfield , in my opinion were the cause of our loss last night. They did nothing for the first 20+ mins, did not protect our back 4 and provided nothing for Carroll or Bellers. Stevie is yet to reach full fitness, Henderson is learning, Adam is slow and Maxi is lightweight. How we are missing Lucas Leiva, and some sort of truly creative midfielder! I bet our forwards would score more then.
KJS


Couldn't agree more. He has been poor for a long time and the games I have been to and seen on the teley he always chooses the wrong option. I said it before he thinks he is alonso but never will be, he annoys me more than carrol


 

 

22 Jan 2012 03:26:05
was just wondering who the eds or ne1 else would like 2 c add to our attacking options and replacements for kuyt? realistic options dat is


I said it in July and i'll say it again, Seb Larsson was a good option to keep as a bench player, put him on when Carroll's on and he'd be set, but that ship has long since sailed, so i'd like to see either Marc Albrighton or Christian Clemens.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 03:19:54
ed, with the signing of that young guy from lisbon, joao carlos texeira, would he be put in the reserves or could he possibly be seen in the senior squad until suarez returns. Coz lets be honest, we have no good striker right now. {Ed019's Note - He is not ready for our first team}


Sorry ed 19. But neather is carrol,adam,henderson and downing!


Texeira shu d be given a run in. class act, something the british deadwood we brought never will be.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 02:49:03
if kenny still think he should not buy any player,.......god help him.,..,.we need new player's to get in champions league......"with best defence ,the best score we can get is 0-0 ".....it took 4 year's for fergie to win a major silverware ...........kenny needs some time .......ynwa...forever red..!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 02:42:11
guys I am still a little drunk...i was watching the game with friends who are Mancs. So u can imagine what happened...thankfully i drank a lot :).. It was a pathetic performance..( apart from Bellamy).....our defense finally ran out of luck ...and our attack has no luck..I don't know if it is Kenny's fault as a manager or it is the fact that these players have still not gelled. I really don't think 4th place can be achieved unless things change significantly.....But still i don't want us to panic buy some mediocre player for a hefty sum...
:(....

Pankaz( a sad drunk LFC fan)


 

 

22 Jan 2012 02:32:50
hi eds as lfc r buying for the future what about morrison from utd meant to be a decent player with a big future. supposedly lookin 2 leave utd aswell and wudnt break the bank any chance it could happen if we were interested?


Another manc finally embarrassed to have that parasite at their club and want to offload him, or if you are a reds supporter...... too many cans mate, get to bed...

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 02:22:30
Hi Eds.
It must get rather tedious after a poor result, enough said on that.
I was wondering, what the value of the Bolton squad was compared to that of Liverpool (suppose tranfer cost or weekly wages).
Was quite impressed by Boltons performance, thought they were spirited and committed in all aspects, even though they (supposedly) may not have the finer skills, they certainly made up for it with determination, energy and vigour (that was for me sadly missing in LFC today).
Its hard to say how the team will respond after today, so the city game becomes a real lottery.
Food for thought.
{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what the value is, it would be possible to work it out, but not at 2:30am when my daughter is going to be waking me up in a few hours wanting brekkie! To be honest though, I don't think anyone should be surprised that they were so up for it. They were facing one of the bigger boys and they are deep in a relegation scrap, they were bound to come out fighting. What is disappointing is that only Bellamy seemed prepared to even try out of our team. They were hustling us all over the pitch and we were just surrendering possession meekly to them. That was the worst aspect of the performance for me.}


Couldn't agree more. I think we have the talent and all of our players have the potential to be legends (yes, even more oft-maligned Andy Carroll) but for some reason the squad almost to a man just haven't had their heart in it lately. What worries me is I have no idea why. Any rumors on that front? There has to be something behind the funk as I just don't think they're playing anywhere near the level the should and could be.


Or maybe our team just does not have enough class to get past relegation threatened teams. Dalglish has to go, he has been too leniant with the players, wasted money, tactics r awful......
i sincerely hope dalglish will not be in the dugout come august.
Indian Buzzer


1. We need more pace, flair and width in the team, been saying this for years.
2. Kenny needs to settle on a first 11 and a std formation/style of play. Players look very unsettled, low on confidence, terrified to try anything and like they just met one another.

That would be a good start. Hopefully a style that does not have this 'slow back pass build from the back, stop and play constantly back' will be chosen. 70% percession - mostly in our own half - will not result in goals. Messi wouldn't even score the way we play. Feel sorry for Carroll.

Chuck Norris


 

 

22 Jan 2012 02:00:33
hi guys, would just like to post that i've been following this site for over a year now and found the info great, particulary macca's. i would just like to make the point that football transfers are a very complicated buisness and sometimes they dont always go to plan, but in general macca's intel has been great, so please apreicate it instead of slagging it off! regarding our current form i know it hasnt been great but as fans of the club i belive we should unite in the faith that kenny and the lads will achieve our goals for the season.

ynwa phillly.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 01:41:55
 Well done to Bolton today played us of the park! Apart from Craig Bellamy they was a waste of space!! And to find out that Charlie Adam has I write this is in a night club partying the night away make me sick!! If I was running things they would be back in Melwood at 7am! I'm am the Dj at a party in Blackpool that Adam is going to in April and I will be telling him what I think fact!! We need to get some news faces in for now and stop buying for two or three years time.... Top 4 more like mid table! Kenny you need to sort it now b4 they make you just one more Roy! Sign a def mid and a forward b4 next week and send Andy out on loan for the rest of the season.... Please... If we have no money to spend get Joe Cole back one of are best player and we send him out on loan? Sorry for the rant :) great job Ed do u know of any signing coming in? Jim7sky {Ed001's Note - since when has Cole been anywhere near one of our best players? Did you not see how fat and slow he was in English football? French football is much slower so he can cope, but he is not up to the English league any more. As for signings coming in, I have said all I know over and over, it isn't a lot though sorry. The players I know of are all not looking to move in January.}


Loan out Carrol? are you mad? We should pack his bags and kick his lazy backside out of Liverpool. Sean Dunddee No2....and even he worked harder than Carrol

Angry Red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 01:41:55
Not a rumour but a question for any of the eds...you listen to us lot spout names out left right and centre...but who would you bring in to the club in this transfer window? (be realistic and possibly available of course). Cheers

Mike {Ed001's Note - to be honest it is almost impossible to get the players I would want in this window. We are pretty much limited to European players that are not currently in their national reckoning and South Americans. African players are busy with the ACON, Europeans in and around their national team are scared to risk their Euros place. It doesn't leave a lot of choice to be honest. Personally I would look at a couple of players from Chile, they are brought up on a fast passing style of football and the likes of Gary Medel and Mauricio Isla should be attainable. The problem is getting the right striker, the one I would want would be either Soldado or possibly Llorente, I am not sure either would be willing to move in January.}


And any overseas players that aren't really getting a look in for their national teams will find it very hard to get work permits won't they ed?

Red7. {Ed002's Note - It depends where they are from, how oftean they play internationall and for whom, and how old they are.}


Gary Medel has not long signed for Sevilla hasn't he? 6 months ago or so.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 01:37:25
Ed, how would you describe Sow as a player, is he good enough for LFC? {Ed001's Note - he is quick and scores goals, in French football anyway, but I am not sure if he is good enough. It really depends on how we intend to play, he doesn't seem to me to be technically good enough to play a quick passing game. From what I have seen he thrives on a ball he can run onto.}


Well thats still better than what Carroll can do Ed

S


 

 

22 Jan 2012 01:09:09
I am a fan of lfc and i have listed players who kenny should be going for
1.edinson kavani(one of the players to watch in football)
2.marek hamsik(replacement for gerrard at retirement)
3.hugo lloris(a better player than reina)
4.eden hazard(joe cole +20 million)
5.maxime gonalons(a cdm)
6.robin van persie(a good goal scoring machine better get him right now because he could sign a new deal)
7.howedes(a better young player replacement for carragher)
8.guiliano(a good player)
9.gareth bale(an exellent player)
10.keisuke honda(a japanese hero)

if kenny signs any 3 we will win champions what do u say ed? {Ed001's Note - if you say so. It is not that simple though, this is real life and not a game of FM.}


I like the list, but will be a lot harder than we'd love. Cavani is my number one with Hazard being 2nd...don't forget Soldado!


Tell you what.... that is a good team but one I cant see happening. I wouldnt get rid of Reina, I would have bought Honda (ages ago) Hazard and Soldado and if money stretched a little further Johnson from Man city. That would improve the midfield striker dynamics and change the way we play opening teams up. I think Reina Kelly Coates Agger Enrique is the way to go forward from the back and then Lucas holding the midfield with any one of the 1000 midfielders we possess with the newcomers sitting just ahead of them.

This is more realistic in terms of signing them but unrealistic in terms of what we are going to do, because we would rather sign an Englishman for twice what he is worth because he is not demanding much in terms of wages. This will lead to becoming a second rank team, especially when Stevie G retires...

Angry Red


You put up about 105m and we'll get FSG to put up the other 105m and we'll have a crack yeh?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 01:08:24
Kenny Dalglish is a Liverpool god.
it's not up for debate. That's just what he is.

This is is unfortunately the problem with Liverpool football club.

It's blasphemy, I know. I will get slated for saying it. But with a club hero as manager, he can do know wrong and the nessecary criticism will not be directed at him.

He is tactically not far short of inept and it is becoming fatal to the club.

At Blackburn he bought the league. Not a critism. He did what was he was able to do. He was a flop at Newcastle and Celtic. He inherited an incredible liverpool team as player manager.

He is not the man to take the club forward.

If roy hogs on had payed 35 mil for Andy Carroll he'd have been hung drawn and quatered. If he'd played 5 at the back against stoke at home, it may have been worse.

I love king kenny as much as the next man but We need to move on from a needless loyalty and progress to a system the club deserves to be at.


Im sorry to say that i have to agree with this lfc board should have gone for martin oneil as manager and kept kenny as an advisor of sorts {Ed001's Note - hahahaha!!! O'Neill? That's class! I needed that laugh to cheer me up after today's terrible result, thank you.}


Look, we need stability more anything else. Dalglish is no mug, and has employed young talented coaches to assist. Utd could not buy the league for 25 years despite being the richest club, it's not that straightforward...look at Man City for the last 2 years, not to mention their CL showing vs. Benitez's reign. Can we please give the new manager a couple of seasons just supporting the club, if we don't, then we might as well be supporting Chelsea, and that's not working out very well for them. In fact, to be honest, I'd rather see 2 or 3 seasons with little or no success if it meant we could slough off the fair weather, fantasy manager, keyboard warrior fans who believe changing managers every 5 mins and spending a billion quid is the way to go. It ain't. Steady progression is the best way, and we will lose games on the way, get used to it. It's a project, dummy.

ferdia


He changed the style of play at Liverpool bringing in players such as Beardsley , Barnesy , Aldridge and houghton.

He won 3 titles and 2 F.A cups and 2 Community shields in 4 years of managing us.

He guided Newcastle to a 2nd place finish and to a F.A cup final.

He won the Scottish league cup in his only season at celtic.

You are a complete person or a dumb manc.

Tom.


Y not oneil? he has always done quite well at any club he has managed and lets face it they dont have liverpools resources or players. he knows how to motivate players and would get carroll banging the goals in {Ed001's Note - done quite well? You mean how he raises the average age of the players until they are all old men fit to drop and the whole club is stuck with loads of worthless players on high wages that are impossible to shift and then he demands fortunes to spend to replace them and walks out when it is not forthcoming? Or how he buys players for big money, gives them big wages and then never gives them a run in the team. I bet you think Leicester fell apart after he left because of how well he did right? Rather than because he left them in a state. The same as he did with Celtic and Villa. He is no good for anything other than getting players motivated, that is it. I expect more from a manager than being able to do that.}


Apart from villa oneil has won something at every club he has managed not a bad record considering he only buys agein players ay?


Bad post man.... sorry I respect your opinion but I disagree. Martin Oneil? No way. When did you see any of his teams play slick superior football??? Never..

Ed is right he left clubs in dissaray and everyone with blinkers would say "wow Martin is quality when he was here he did well with our team" but they cant see the damage he did to the clubs.
But on the other hand you may be right with Kenny as in not the person to take us further. I think he stabilised us after the Roy mess and has brought back some nice free flowing football but he lacks the NEW knowledge to take us further on opening teams up. Our team plays beautiful side ways football but we cant open up a team and never get enough players in the box. This is a tactical issue that Kenny has not been able to sort out this season. And how he sticks with a donkey up front baffles me really. Morgan should be given a chance.

Angry Red


Well ed we have comolli handeling our transfers.....so o'neil would not have been that bad, cause its not his job to make the transfers....and with sunderland now he has'nt made any transfers, yet they are playing better than us since his arrival there....just adding my bit to this conversation cause i 2 believe o'neil would have been a good manager for us


Apart from villa oneil has won something at every club he has managed not a bad record considering he only buys agein players ay?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

To the lad that wrote what's above the xxxxxx's.
Would you rather win something quickly, then nothing for another 20 odd years, or would you rather build something that will continue winning trophies for years, or at the very least spend every year in europe with a chance at winning silverware. If we win one trophy with an old squad then they all retire the year after, we're back up s**t creek again aren't we?

Red7.


No not really im all up for building for the future but we need players to improve the squad not players who will take 2-3 or maybe even 4 years to be good enuf for the 1st team


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:51:56
ive heard that kenny has been sniffing around david weir. Rangers are gonna let him go on a free but kenny insists he will give them 5 million for him.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:43:59
hi guys, first of all todays performance was abosolute dog s***, its not kennys fault they are not playing well, lets look at the facts shall we, downing was great for villa then he came to us, henderson had a decent season at sunderland and looked a great prospect for the future then he came to us ( to be fair hasnt been that bad compared to the next joke ) charlie adam, looks a shadow of the player he was at blackpool. andy carroll has got the touch of a rapist, the only reason he was gettin a few goals at newcastle was because he was gettin service from out wide, somethin we are just not doing. all these players were bought beacuse of thier previous seasons statistics so kenny and comolli thought they were getting decent players, as all we fans did. its time for 2 or 3 of the young crop to get in the squad, my 3 would be sterling (no need to panic buy a winger cos he got awesome pace an trickery) suso (best young attacking midfielder we have got who can dribble and link up the midfield to the forward line, Tony Silva ( as one of the forward 3 if we are gonna stick to the 4 3 3 formation) these 3 young lads cant be any worse than the nuggets we have bought. people say they are not ready and all that nonsense but they are ready they are 17 18 19 years old just like owen was, just like fowler was, just like rooney was, just like messi was, the list goes one, am not saying for one minute these lads are gonna be as good a player as the above mentioned but they certainly got the potential to be. flanagan got brought through and he done well, so sterling suso and silva even morgan with all due respect have more talent. so com,e on kenny get these lads through an let them shine,

Reina

kelly agger skrtle enrique

spearing
gerrard sterling
suso

bellamy carroll

doni, carra, coates, maxi, downing, hendo, morgan

this is my team against wolves next week, if this team could play against the one that played today my team would slaughter them.

we should be doing everything in our power to get either hoilett or lennon in for the wing and soldado or podolski up top.

quality site eds, keep up the good work guys.

percy


Suso is far to lightweight at the minute. Don't you watch the reserves!


Why isn't it Kenny's fault? Henderson yes is a promising player £15-16mill, hopefully will be justified. But what rattles my cage is Downing, he was s**t at Boro, had a good season at Villa then we waste £20m on a player who's worth max £10m. Guess some of our buys have not been value for money. Kenny wanted these players, guess he's made his bed and has to be ready to ly in it. 4th gonna be extremely difficult ..fingers crossed we make it!

MidlandRed


Yes I do that's how I know he is quality, he is not as slight as you think, I've met the lad an am tellin ya he is ready to go. Even if he was a you say too lightweight so what, does David silva struggle against players like samba etc,,, no he doesn't he takes the p*** out of them


You say its not Kennys fault?? who selects the tactics???? who makes the subs?? Why play Carrol up front and not get the team to cross the ball? All these decisions lay down at the managers door..... Someone is responsible and yes the players lack drive but they get their drive from their leader Kenny..... so yes Kenny is to blame as well as the players. He himself needs to learn and learn quick

Angry red


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:36:19
We have seen too many managers recently at the helm of our great club , each one suggests it is a 5 year project to stamp their mark , bring players in and move players on etc .

If this is the case , does Kenny have 5 years before he considers retiring , and what state will we be in after that time . Only for a new guy to come in and be given a further 5 years .

Kenny has done a fantastic job by steadying the ship and piecing our fractured club back together after years of poor ownership and mis-management , I also believe he was the only man who could have achieved that and nobody should ever doubt his love for LFC. However is he the right man to take us forward ?

I feel we should seriously think sooner rather than later about our future under a new and long term manager to stop the cycle of poor buys and under achieving , all being blamed on the previous manager .

It is a vicious circle that once and for all needs to be broken .

I would like nothing more than the fairytale return of Kenny to bring us the success we all wished it would , but not every story ends happily ever after .

Mark


Why dont you support Chelsea, Mark - they turn over a new manager each year - your kind of team


To the un named poster my point is we need to stop changing managers , get someone in for the long haul . I have re read my post and its pretty clear that was my point . Why do people who don't understand or dislike what they read accuse others of being manks or chelski fans . Grow up mate , the whole point of a banter site is to have banter , not for the standard un educated reply which is all too familiar ( boring) .
Mark


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:33:05
Hi Ed001,

Totally agree that Medal is a fantastic player but don't you think we need someone a little more short term?

Personally I am a massive fan of Diego Perez he is an absolute Monster, but I also have to say Jay has really surprised me this season, I thought he would be a good stop gap for 6 or 7 games but he really has come on leaps and bounds which why I would prefer someone like Perez to Medal, particularly with Lucas coming back next season. Just think it might send the wrong message to Jay and Coady.

Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I have not seen Diego Perez play, so I can't comment on him, sorry. If it was just a stop gap, I would give Flanno a go as a holding midfielder myself. He does love to get stuck in.}
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Sorry to lazy to scroll! haha.

When I was thinking more experienced stop gap, but completely forgot about Flanno, What about Kelly? Never got the chance to watch him play too much in his earlier days in midfield, do you reckon he could do the job till the summer? I am just so frustrated that he can't find a place on the team, its criminal really. He seems to have the attributes to play anywhere on the pitch imo.

Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I would want Kelly playing right back, he offers too much there and it is a waste to see him sat on the bench when he offers so much more than Johnson does at the moment.}


Ed001 with regards to your reply, as you are so 'close' to the team and Kenny, will it not be possible to suggest Kenny play Kelly at rightback from now on? {Ed001's Note - when have I ever said I was close to the team or Kenny? Are you 5? Or just intent on wasting my time with stupidity?}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:31:23
Interested in others thoughts (as well as the Eds) as to whether Kelly or Coates could do a job as a DM whilst Spearing recovers.

Coady would be another option but he is maybe a little young and inexperienced to be thrown into our next 2 games.

Failing that Carra started as a DM but I'm not sure he has the pace to play there now & he seems to prefer lumping it aimlessly forward rather than playing a simple pass or bringing the ball out.

Adam, Gerrard & Henderson do not have the necessary discipline to play the role and too often allow players to run past them or make silly fouls.

Hopefully Jay is back for Wednesday night, if not I fear the worst as Silva may well pick us apart. {Ed001's Note - personally, for me, I would go with Coady or Flanagan to cover in midfield, Kelly should be first choice right back.}


Spearing is useless,how idiots can come on here and slate adam and then say we miss spearing is beyond me,not only is he no good but look at the state of him


Spearing cud have made the difference against bolton imo. Adam is crap, championship player at best.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:30:35
Team is poor lacks cutting edge.
Realistic n rumoured/linked players we shud sign.

FRWD-LUC CASTAIGNOS-loan
WING-DYER/SINCLAIR/ZAHA ??
BUT wud love A JOHNSON to sign unlikely thoe.

DEMPSEY wud b a good squad option versatile. Short-term Maxi replacement.
Good for US. MARKET
plus can sign some asian players in SUMMER.
Winger-SON HEUNG MIN-Hamburg

Also in Summer-maybe a top ST or LUUK DE JONG
Wud like G RAMIREZ.

F5

Reply?


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:29:08
Spearing Must! play if fit


Totally agree, i've just typed my little rant about that.

Red7.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:28:23
Not a rumour...just a wish-list for January;

INS;
JOE ALLEN
CLINT DEMPSEY
ADAM JOHNSON
LUUK DE JONG (or A.N.Other)

OUTS;
DIRK KUUYT
GLEN JOHNSON
A.AQUILANI
JOE COLE
MAXI RODRIGUEZ

The above is pure fantasy, of course. Swansea are never going to sell ....they're on fire!
The rest are gettable but at a heavy price.
However, if we're serious about challenging for 4th. (FOURTH for God's sake!) then we really do need to take a look at ourselves...can't score, can't come from behind, can't supply our strikers properly, too arrogant/un-driven to beat lower teams, no creativity or cutting-edge!
We don't really have a great first-team do we?
Gerrard is idolised to the point where it's detrimental to the team....he isn't the player he was and should only be a bench-warmer at the most. Carragher is the same, I'm afraid.
Kuuyt, Maxi, Spearing, Downing and Carroll aren't good enough...they all have their good points but THEY AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH!
Adam is not a particularily good player at this level....yes, some of his long-range passes are breath-taking but the rest of his game is lacking. I'd keep him as a squaddie though.
I'd also keep Henderson and Enrique, but I have to agree with the "moaners" that Dalglish and Comolli haven't faired well in the transfer-market.
Downing should only play on the left-wing...he's crap on the right!
We need to draft in some of the youngsters....a thing I was saying 12 months ago when our season was effectively over!
Fortunately, we are in a better position now than then but that shouldn't really be the yardstick.
ANFIELDPETE


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:24:54
Liverpool vs Bolton Review

Reina = did what he could, which was not a lot given the shocking defending.

Enrique = actually pretty poor, didn't seem to know whether to get forward or not, poor distribution.

Skrtel = Bad game. Over-committed himself for the first goal, got beat on the air for the third. Never looked comfortable.

Agger = Got forward well, hit the bar and was the more composed out of our defenders however, was still shaky defensively and was not as good as usual.

Johnson = Didn't get forward with any purpose at all. Defended poorly. Gave the ball away continually. Was a liability tonight.

Henderson = Had a quiet game, distribution wasn't good and didn't seem to know positionally where he was supposed to be. Has never looked very good when played on the right of midfield, why play him there?

Gerrard = Played in a very deep defensive midfield role for long periods and as a result wasn't given a chance to have much influence on the game. When he did get forward he looked threatening although distribution wasn't great today.

Adam = Distribution was really poor, gave away needless free kicks and failed to make a positive contribution towards the team, clearly cannot be relied on to take up the defensive midfield mantle Lucas has left open. His performance tonight the story of his season, underwhelming and simply not good enough.

Maxi = Got forward well but made little impact on the game and looked rusty when on the ball. Has no pace to threaten with at all.

Bellamy = Ran himself ragged for the entire game. Was the most dangerous player we had on the pitch. Got himself into a lot of dangerous positions, made good incisive runs and got himself a goal. For Liverpool the best performer by a country mile.

Carroll = His positioning, his distribution, his work rate all poor. Did produce a few good flick-ons but was lacking support so didn't find anyone with them. For a big fella spent way too much time on the ground and being out-muscled and didn't stop complaining the entire game. His attitude needs to improve but the players around him are not aiding his form.

Downing = Did absolutely nothing. No energy, no taking on players, no incisive crosses or dribbles or shots or anything of note. The biggest disappointment of the season for me, a complete waste of 20 million pounds.

Kuyt = His days our numbered. Work rate is always good but you need talent to back it up otherwise you may as well just be a marathon runner. Poor technique, poor distribution, no threat on the Bolton goal, it is time we said goodbye to Kuyt. Great servant to the club but is now a liability.

Dalglish = For the second consecutive league game he was poor. Players looked de-motivated but most worryingly the team didn't look like they knew were to position themselves, how to play, how to defend or attack as a unit. Substitutions were predictable and ineffective and our style of play has been sussed out and needs changing. If a team pressures the ball while we are in possession we play it backwards, play slowly and struggle to build a meaningful attacking move as a result - we have to have more variety.


Conclusion = probably the worst performance of the season so far. No-one, apart from Bellamy, leaves the game with much credit. We need more variety in terms of our strategy, tactics and formation but I think, most obviously, we need a few new faces AND they need to be players who will contribute positively week in week out.

Carroll is looking low on confidence and is playing poorly as a result. Adam is getting worse and worse sadly. Downing has been poor from August until now and seems to become more anonymous with each passing game. Henderson needs time and should not be played out on the right. Enrique didn't do well but has been great this season, I am sure he will rediscover his form. Bellamy could be the signing of the season, gives everything when he plays and always looks a threat. Johnson looks good some games and terrible others, not sure his heart is really in it any more. Kuyt & Maxi should be allowed to leave as they don't have much to offer us any more. Great servants and big respect to them but sentiment cannot stand in the way of progress.


SMc


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:24:41
WE Will beat Citeh,and all the"perspective"Clowns(regulars on here)Will get SEMis-fulls on again.Till are next unpredictable defeat v s te.And THAT sadly,is soooo predictable-A)The brainwashed,B)The spoiling of good results.By poor v carp.IS it attitude/Motivation?Who knows?


Google translate?


I picked up on a bit of whatever dialect was being used there, but basically it's a post questioning committment and why the lower teams blow us away while we're keen for beating bigger teams.

Simple really, Bolton are up s**t creek basically, so they came out all guns blazing, as to why we weren't ready for it, well the blame lies squarely at the feet of the players, Management would've done everything they could've done to prepare the players, even the players know they're gonna meet stiff competition, but they just looked surprised.... f****d if i know....

Red7.


Could you re-write that in English so we can understand it? Thanks.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:23:52
Anybody bought in now will be a panic buy and despite his qualities Carroll doesn't fit the way KK sets up his teams, look back to the 80's, and Blackburn upto 95 to see what i mean- high tempo passing, pressing the oppo and everyone in tune to the team tactics. For all the players bought i still see a disjointed team unless SG is playing, no one has yet got a hold of the game and controlled the tempo apart from SG, we cannot rely on him for many more years. priority in the summer must be to trim the squad even more and get a quality CM and someone to replace Carroll and Kuyt as well as holding on to Suarez, although without CL, that may be difficult. i would go for Javi Martinez of Bilbao and someone like Soldado/Cavani/Higuain. if you are gonna spend millions do it on proven quality, and let the potential come up through the reserves. For the rest of this season, we are only six points of 4th and still in two cup competitions, it is not all doom and gloom. the fat lady hasn't sung yet!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:18:50
Loath to slag KK but somethings badly wrong.Those who remember last reign,retain tad more perspective.It was wobbeling way befors H.Boro with some well dodgy team selections.REmember C.palace debacle?KK inherited a team,but more importantly a great backroom at time


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:15:13
There was a Forlan rumour posted here a couple of days ago, a season long loan from Inter. I think that could be exactly what Carroll needs, lets face it he doesn't play the kind of role that can be mastered at such a young age. It takes years to become adept at the target man/poacher role, Having an experienced striker at the club would do him the world of good if you ask me.

Eds, any news (or even whispers) of somebody in that mould? {Ed001's Note - the Forlan one is the only rumour like that I have heard.}


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:10:29
Aldo said what we who go say every week,sadly-Carrol aint getting best service,But he makes it look worse than is.Takes uo wrong positions,seldom gets to far post,where ball arrives asnd chances come!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:07:59
Hansen and KK-worst performance theyve seen.Now very noble those-keep faith marchants,But that was unadulterated s te,Maybe kk should go and support Man City-how dare he be honest, and face facts.Must mean he aint a true Red


Shut up, stop embarressing yourself!!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:05:17
Wenger= if Arsenal dont get in Champs leauge-be a disaster.Thats way footy is now.Yet some on here,feel its ok!


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:03:24
I just saw a guy I has to check out - Medel... Is there any other players of this caliber? I mean,beastlike like him? That dont care about anything else then to win the ball?

Love players like this,bellamy - Medel typer.


 

 

22 Jan 2012 00:02:07
Yes today performance was not great! But something I note was that 80% (and the worst, moaning, BS, cry baby) posts were from well I don't know....did not sign their posts?

Remember it is easier to destroy something than create it!

I hate the blind faith crap as well.....its like simple minded people:

You like to drink?.....'Yep'.......so you have a drink problem.....'Nope'.....first sign is denial! A big circle of BS!

I feel if anyone had played or managed a game of football they would understand.... We were rocked 3mins in....it got worse they scored again! Then we pulled 1 back....then a class goal....Chelsea drew today and I bet their fans are not having kittens competitive balance is the best in years.

I would say 'well done Bolton' hats off to you, you played well....equally we did not but, for so much BS to be posted (here you go 'unsigned posters slag me off) is silly.

Some of our players looked jaded or too relaxed ...but we have 4 games in 10 days....think about it!

Anyhows kneejerk glory hole hunting people will cry 'we did not win' I will wait until next Jan. to judge anybody in a Liverpool shirt and regarding Kenny....think what he has done for us.....I don't think he would want this, so give him a chance for the squad to gel.

Finally to all you Manc fans (in disguise) who post on here....press disagree but your keeper needs more than spec savers......he is a sh1te saver! f*** off back to your own page and slag your keeper, Jones for the lovely goal, Rooney for liking old women, Ferdinand for needing a haircut instead of a drugs test, Evra....what can I say and finally whiskey nose for doing deals that are anything but above board.

Liverpool fans I do understand we are not unbeaten!!! YNWA, support your team it really ain't that bad.... 1 game and sign your posts if you think it is.
K79


U mad?

UNITED_LEGENDS


Performance was not great? Slightly understated, it was absolutely s**te, Kenny agrees. U may enjoy mediocrety (actually less) in this case but the majority don't. We are. Venting frustration, I for one will get behind my team 100% come Wednesday, if we lose then they're may be some more steam blown off then on we go again, lying about the situation won't change anything, all you 'the glass is half full' knobs are as annoying as the haters. It will take a long time to get this great club back to where it belongs and I believe the correct wheels are in motion, gonna take time and we will have to suffer many more days like yesterday, they will just become less and less frequent, it was like this every other week with woy, 3 times this season is still an improvment!

Chiz


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:59:30
a lot of people have wild imaginations LOL
realisticly what we need/could happen is

joao and davud texeiras
sign
krasic on loan
maybe a middle aged striker MAYBE

summer some faces gone
and Luuk de jong and maybe some one like a younger mata/ramsey in

What do ya think ED a lot of people agreed with that when i stated in on another site. would lover your opinion if you can spare time Thanks!
{Ed001's Note - a middle aged striker? I would prefer one a little younger personally, I really can't see us signing one quite that old! I have no idea what is happening or not re Krasic, nor am I convinced he is any kind of answer.}


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:57:39
Hey edd, how's vilyan bijev doing? {Ed001's Note - I am sorry I don't know, I haven't had time to keep track of his progress this season.}


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:48:47
One bad result and the fans turn, I cant believe some of you are so fickle as to believe that climbing back into the top four would be so simple, we were never going to attract the likes of Cavani Higuain and Hazard, and thats why KK believed that signing young british players who had experience in the prem was the best thing to do to get back in. Yes maybe the transfer fees were a bit excessive but at that time it was needed, for example Carroll at Newcastle was quoted as being the frontman for England for years to come by so many, and had so much potential and was reasonable to think it would be a great signing. No one can blame KK for this, you need to think to this time last year where we were trying to offload the likes of Poulson Konchesky and Jovanovich, and sitting in the bottom half of the table we have come so far, and although the results arent going our way, we have played some attractive football and in almost most our games we have been unlucky not to win. What im trying to say collectively is that, we need to have patience in this team as it is one for the future, and although we may be dropping points now and then, just remember the state of the club last year and remember of how much KK has done to this club before you slate him and the our beloved reds! YNWA keep the faith!
Hopper1892


Well said!!


One bad result??
U do realise we r in 7th place behind newcastle, dont u? n WTF have downing, carrol n adam done to make the squad better? we have gone backwards frm last season. The stats say it all.
Indian Buzzer


Kenny also know how long it will take to be where he wants us to be, and if we have too many foreign player just using us as a stepping stone then we won't be able to build a strong squad for any longer than 2 years or so. So buying players that can not only do the job we'll need, but will stick together for years to come can only be good.

Red7.


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:48:40
Well everybody, I think we saw tonight just how much we miss Lucas. There was no cover for the defence at all, although I don't think they done themselves any favours and because we were under pressure at the back we couldn't hit them up the top.

Just a bad day at the office......again. Got to start showing some real form soon or we wont end up with anything.

Sooty


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:41:29
Hi Ed's & Macca
Thank you for all your effort to make this an interesting, educational and sometimes also funny website.
Our admire of LFC and KK is not the only reasons we're coming back here again and again.

After this horrible match against Bolton, I think it's just natural that the most of us reds are dreaming and hoping for some new signings - quality signings.
We all want to see our loved club back on top, playing CL etc.
I'm not one of those who's talking crap about i.e. Andy Carroll and the other players. I feel sure that both Carroll, Adam, Downing and the other guys will find back to their best form and "deliver the goods" sooner or later. It takes time to build a team for the future.
I think we're playing well most of our matches, even if we lose or draw. We have created more than enough of chances. By my opinion many of these matches this season would have been turned to victories if we've had one more reliable goalgetter in the squad. I'm not claiming that a quality striker is the final solution for our problems, but we can't win matches just by good defencive play and creating chances.
I don't have any rumour to present - just a question;
Among all the names - realistic or not - that have been mentioned here lately, there's one player that seems very impressive to me. I strongly feel that he could be just the supplement that we need on top. The player I'm thinking about is Fernando Llorente of Athletic Bilbao.
Do you think there is a chance of seeing Llorente in a Liverpool-shirt? Now in January - Or in the summer?
I think a signing like that would bring hope and optimism back again, and the ability for KK to have more alternatives on top.
With a signing of Llorente in January, I think that could be enough to have a good chance of being top 4 this season.

I would love to hear what you Ed's & Macca (and you other reds think about this.

Cheers
Red Hoffa
YNWA {Ed001's Note - last January we offered Bilbao £35m and were told he was not for sale at any price. In the summer they tried to sell Muniain to us (and a few other teams), rather than lose Llorente or Martinez, who they have built the team around. But they got no takers. The economy in Spain is on the verge of collapse, very few clubs can realistically survive without selling. Bilbao are not at the 'having to sell to survive' stage, but they are edging towards it, I certainly think it would be worth testing the waters.}


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:33:33
I am behind KK 100%, I am sure this is hurting him more than us and he will rectify this performance today. We all know it was way below Lfc standard. Sell Kuyt, johnson, maxi, and dip into the market.
hibsylfc


Blame Rafa Benitez!


Cheers hibsylfc, everybody should think about how much this club means to us supporters, then think how much it means to Kenny, a F****n lot if you were stumped by that one, he knows what we need because he's hurting more than us, don't you think if he could buy all the players in the world, he would.

He will be doing everything in his power to reward the loyalty of the supporters of this club... the ones that are showing loyalty that is...

Red7.


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:32:59
i would of liked kenny to of given coady a game today.hes the most physical ready for 1st team.with lucas out we have spearing but hes out and we lack a dm player to protect the back four.johnson has to be sold just not good enough.kelly has more passion in his left bollock than this guy.people keep moaning at carroll but how is it his fault when there is no service.also what happened to stevie g grabbing the game by the scruff.kenny needs support on the pitch hes the leader so he needs to take responsibility aswell.he hardly tracks back as before.DORSET RED


V v good point Dorset Red, cos poor old Charlie Adam has taken all the stick tonight. Gerrard stopped tracking back years ago.
The Real KB


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:29:47
I fully support dalglish but am starting to get worried that fsg might let him go if things dont improve by the end of the season, just wondering, apart from rafa who would people want to come in, i cant think of to many managers i would really want, realistic ones anyway, maybe jurgen klopp, would like everyones opinion

RED DOGG


First and foremost I want Dalglish to stay because I honestly believe he's the man for the job.

However if FSG sack him then I can only really think of 3 suitable successors.

Frank Rijkaard
Guus Hiddink
Johan Cruyff

I also think Frank De Boer could be worth a gamble.

Tom.


Brendan rodgers


Britney Spears


Don't even want to think about it, but Brendan Rodgers for sure.


 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:29:45
MOTD has been watched, we must have left our heads on the coach. Some senseless defending, letting Bolton players run off them without so much as a challenge.

Agger and Skrtel probably had their worst games for the past 3 years, completely exposed Reina - he had no chance with any of the goals. Enrique needs a rest, he's played pretty much every game this season, looks a shadow of the player from the start of the season. Johnson looked woeful today, bring Martin Kelly in.

Charlie Adam and Steven Gerrard cannot play alongside each other in a 4-4-2. For 2 experienced pros, neither took the responsibility to hold their position and protect the back 4 when required, this is the 1st time we really missed Lucas! Charlie Adam should be dropped, he has been a liability in defence giving away silly fouls. Bring Henderson in the centre, what he lacks in creativity and composure he makes up for it with work rate, commitment and effort. Did Maxi play today?

Bellamy is the only real bright spot! If only his enthusiasm and effort could rub off on a few more of the players. He took his goal brilliantly, and looked up for it and was the only real threat we had. Andy Carroll put in his usual 100% effort, he can no longer continue to be the club whipping boy when so many others aren't putting in a shift whilst he is.

While others say we have spent £100m, we should be challenging for honours! We had to spend such money just to keep touch with the top 6, just think where we would be without these signings. The money could have been spent differently, but it hasn't, so we need to support the players. They haven't repaid the faith Kenny has put in them, and as he rightly said in his interview, players who think todays performance is the standard, they wont be here too much longer.

The only positive I can draw from this, is that we surely cannot get any worse! Our next 7 games WILL shape our season, where we could either find ourselves in a Cup Final, on a FA Cup run and still in contention for 4th spot or out of all the domestic cups and languishing in mid-table! The players have to step up!

RedSG


Honestly, I think Kenny is the right man for the job but didn't do well in the market. I think he has to give more of a saying for the signings. imagine the players we had before the market, we decided to offload Aquillani and Meireles and get Henderson and Adam. Aquillani can perform better than Adam and Meireles is a defending midfielder in Chelsea altough people claim he is lazy. we all know his attacking treat. he was the player i admire and he is one of the most balanced midfielder in the midfield with attacking, defending and distributing abilities. we decided to let him go for how much.. and Downing's move is not working so far. As far as Caroll is concerned, any 20 mil striker in the world would do better. look at rednamps signings. Vander vaart, Adebayour, parker. he kept the good players no matter what and he added the right quality.
So although i support Kenny, every one is laughing at our signings.
suarez and Enrique are the only right signings for me. it has been wrong signings that has been keeping us from progressing, and now not very much better

miccmak {Ed001's Note - you know Meireles was awful for 90% of last season right? And this season he has become symptomatic of Chelsea's poor play this season with his constant turn over of possession. Where have people got this idea he was great when everyone was on his back most of the season until he had a couple of games where he scored.}


Meireles is still better than adam.


 

 

 
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