Liverpool Banter Archive July 22 2017

22 Jul 2017 22:32:06
A mate has just messaged me to say he has heard a fee has been agreed for Keita. £75m with most of it being paid up-front.

He also said VVD was close, for a fee around £65m.

That's £140m on 2 players. Hope Barcelona don't come back with £110m-£120m for Coutinho, once they get the Neymar money :- (.

23 Jul 2017 00:14:34
Heard this too. Strange given so many people here thought the deal was over. What are they going to say when he signs. Apologise to Harry et al?

23 Jul 2017 08:37:27
I think it is coming from Winner Sports site. Don't know if they are reliable and Ed02 has not validated that rumour so I suggest to take this with a tiny pinch of salt.

{Ed002's Note - I have never heard of "Winner Sports" but a quick check of their address of "22 Fleet St London EC4Y 1AA" (as provided on what appears to be a gambling website together with their @gmail.com" contact address may provide a hint about this whole claim of theirs. Check out www.winnersports.co.uk }

22 Jul 2017 22:02:45
I am really hoping we manage to sign VVD and N. Keita. Truthfully i cannot believe the value of professional footballers these days it's absolutely astronamical!

Everything has gone to pot ever since Pogba went to United and he it never worth 80m.

22 Jul 2017 23:17:45
So are you saying Keita isn't worth £75m then?

22 Jul 2017 23:40:06
I don't think so but at least we didn't sell him for £100k, makes it a little less painful.

22 Jul 2017 23:49:32
Is any player truly worth such a high percentage of the clubs entire value?

22 Jul 2017 23:53:03
Keita is worth it now but only because of the inflation in the market which (although it was already bad) is crazy right now, 50 mill for walker, 50mill being touted for sigurdson, the 200mill being spoke about for Neymar, the market right now is madness at the time you made the pogba deal it was bad but not as bad as its been this window like.

23 Jul 2017 00:36:11
Keita is worth 75 million pounds because LFC are willing to pay that for him. Klopp and FSG see the value in the player so I trust both know what they are doing.

23 Jul 2017 10:53:04
It kinder makes Suarez a steal¿ if he didn't bite everyone 😂.

22 Jul 2017 18:55:30
Watching that game today just emphasised how much we need a new centre half. Again simple balls over the top and klavan and lovren were caught asleep.

VVD is a must and hopefully himself and Matip can build a partnership.

Very impressed with TAA very composed on the ball and has great pace and positional sense it looks like the Jersey could be his to lose.

I would also like to take the chance to thank the eds for all the work they do on this site, there is nothing else like it. Top job lads.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Jimmy.}

22 Jul 2017 19:57:35
I agree about TAA. Even though he's young, he's simply better than Clyne both attacking and marginally in defence too. He should be starting when fit.

22 Jul 2017 19:34:49
Let's be honest and not lie.

TAA was in no man's land for Leicester opener. Milner no matter how many people are his fans is finished! I can't imagine what he would do at RB. He offers simply a big Zero upfront.
I thought Wijnaldum struggled in the holding role. Clearly not his territory. Mahrez cut him to shoes more than thrice.
Coutinho juts exceptional. The way his pics players with his passing is on another level.
Lallana as usual hard core running, nothing else.

We looked like a flat tyre in the second half thanks we scored twice in the first half.
Henderson was ok. Covered the back line well. But who in the absence of Coutinho is going to create goal scoring chances for the front three?
Did we create one chance in the second half!

22 Jul 2017 19:48:14
Jamey Vardy got behind our backline some 10 times today! And if you still feel we don't need a CB then God help all of us!

22 Jul 2017 20:45:36
What I got out off the game today is that karius makes me nervous and is not my number 1,TAA looks a top prospect and I'd play him before clyne but you have to expect lots off mistakes so would the fans be patient enough I don't know, I'd play three at the back if we buy VVD and ward in goal, coutinho is key so we have to keep him but I do think it's a matter off when not if he goes.

22 Jul 2017 21:02:39
nice one Naby Keita Ding Dong, 4 pre season games in and its nice to see loads of negativity. am sure we are more than just a one man team Coutinho was great last season but it was mane that we missed most because of his pace. And the back four will struggle when you are making that many changes.

22 Jul 2017 21:17:19
Harry, it was Origi at fault for the Leicester goal, he didn't track Fuchs, watch it again and you'll see what I mean. As for Wij, I actually thought he played well, but he was very isolated with Lallana and Coûts always diving in and getting beaten by Mahrez. Agree I prefer him further forward though. 2nd half was just seeing it out, also with the amount of changes made, its very difficult to keep good attacking rhythm. Milner had no chance for the goal, and defended well, had a niggling injury but still got forward. I do enjoy your insight but you judge some players very unfairly.

22 Jul 2017 21:39:22
Harry the goal was not TAA's fault. It's great to see you so positive. Both teams where struggling with the heat in the second half and resorted to going long.

22 Jul 2017 22:26:46
Well said Shrewsbury red. If you actually watch goal again and look at bigger picture not just the ball. You will clearly see origi switches off and doesn't track runner thus meaning taa is left 2 on 1 and you see him shouting at origi! Special mention to our captain he looks very sharp and has obviously worked really hard over last few months, great attitude.

22 Jul 2017 22:33:31
They were all very professional today Harry lad, i thought Klavan did ok but let's not be too harsh he's going to be a good squad man the rest just did a nice pro job
I'll take that and Migs is by far our number 1 and has improved immensely in my book.
So far so good.

22 Jul 2017 22:39:11
TAA had to close the wide player who had been left free by the midfield, this was what created the space to get the cross in. If you double up out wide the cross doesn't happen. The kid reads the game better than some of his established team members.

22 Jul 2017 23:59:11
Stop reading so much into a pre season game that is played between very hard fitness training sessions.

22 Jul 2017 23:24:17
You are not even close Grino
Mane like any other world class winger need somebody to pick him when he moves or runs which is what Coutinho does it week in week out!
We did not miss Mane, we missed a winger who could score goals for all the chances that Firmino kept missing.

Liverpool in the absence of Mane will create plenty of chances. But Liverpool in the absence of Coutinho creates very very few chances to score!

Coutinho make things happen for all the Mane's, Salah's and Firmino's! Not the other way around!

22 Jul 2017 23:59:13
Thanks Shrewsbury

Thought Salah did not help TAA much in the first half tacking back! I believe we should stop opposition putting crosses than defending in the air
Wijnaldum Yes he is not a holding player!

23 Jul 2017 00:19:16
Seems to me that Harry is an easy target for some people. He speaks his mind and is passionate about LFC. Might disagree with him a bit but he's a Red, good enough for me.

23 Jul 2017 00:38:53
Actually I agree with Harry. We saw what Salah can do when clever balls are delivered his way, same with Mane. Both can use their pace to break in between defenses as long as there is someone providing the perfect pass which is what Coutinho does. Essential we keep Couts and sign Keita to build a world class midfield.

23 Jul 2017 01:06:51
I think klavan Did better than matip today.

22 Jul 2017 17:23:35
Surley we can't be thinking of replacing countinho with naby after today's performance. build the team around him and we will be rewarded in the coming years . The linkup play between countiho and mo was amazing.

22 Jul 2017 17:35:25
I honestly think he won't go to Barcelona. If it's true Neymar was in his ear to come over but then he's leaving to play for PSG cause he's fed up of being second fiddle to Messi I'd b thinking if I was him no I'm staying and I'm going to become a legend here not a bit part player over there.

22 Jul 2017 17:35:42
Perspective: it was a friendly, chill ya beans. I have lots of respect for Coutinho, but don't use a friendly to justify his worth to the team, that's daft.

22 Jul 2017 18:34:14
Seriously Seaono? Not sure if trolling or not but that performance and linkup play is something we have seen Coutinho do time and time and time again which has made him become an LFC favorite.
It is not based on the 1 friendly performance.
Everybody who actually watches LFC knows without him we don’t have as much creativity. He is arguably the best player for us when he is on his day. he’s slightly inconsistent but a lot better than he was a few years ago. Now we easily notice when he isn’t on the field.
His worth to the team is unimaginable. If we sell him we can kiss any chance of a title challenge goodbye and that is fact and not based on 1 performance.

22 Jul 2017 19:18:09
He has that X factor that can mean the difference between winning and losing - not many players do. we should not be selling him.

22 Jul 2017 21:14:42
I bloody hope you're right Fowler, I've got a really bad feeling after watching his reaction in the highlights today. I literally can't think of anyone we could even begin to replace him with.

22 Jul 2017 16:58:53
Ed01 and Ed02 do you think Keita and VVD are good enough to help us win the title this year? It's two huge fees by all accounts and for that money you'd hope they are both worldies.
What do you other fans think?

{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

22 Jul 2017 17:13:05
Go on holiday enjoy the summer mate and avoid the tabloids it will give you an ulcer.

22 Jul 2017 17:16:23
Assuming we get them
Vvd will for sure help a lot and hopefully command our defence as it needs. It is so unorganized and they just don't gel together or shout commands between themselves. I doubt the 2 center half a know where the other is 80% of the time.


Keita will create more chances and possibly grab a few goals but in saying that, who in our midfield doesn't atm? Albeit he will create more than some possibly and be perfect when pressing.

Salah will be our biggest impact signing going forward and VVD when defending.

22 Jul 2017 17:30:11
Those players in and of themselves wouldn't propel us to a title, and while I'm not trying to dismiss them or lessen their potential impact, I think our future success is dependent on how well Jurgen and the coaches bring the team together and get them playing to their full potential, making sure to instil confidence and discipline to maintain form for an entire season. I think there's a lot of work to be done on the training ground still, and I think those two would add a lot to the team, but I think we have the potential to push for the title already, it'd be foolish to dismiss us (our form against the top teams is on point) we just need to remain mentally strong and maintain form for 38 games.

22 Jul 2017 17:34:47
I don't know how creative Keita is RP so I'll reserve judgement on that. As for our ability to create, we have that ability but without Couts, it will be dealt a huge blow as he is the perfect playmaker in our system as he operates from the wing and from deep. Not sure Keita can do any of that.

22 Jul 2017 19:06:04
Spot on Licky Lambert (should be licky Rambert, missed out there bud 😜)

We do have the potential to win the league and we showed that last season until the second half of the season. we just need an improved defence which VVD would bring along with our new PROPER left back, and some extra players going forward who won’t add massive amounts to the team, but when rotating the squad or players get injured we won’t notice huge gaps because someone of similar talent is in place.

If Salah or mane get injured, we can push couts (please stay! ) And lallana out wide, and not miss them in the middle of the park with Keita in place.

22 Jul 2017 19:44:50
We don't need their help to win the title 🏆.

22 Jul 2017 20:06:10
Fact remains going into any single game over 90 mins I fancy our chances to win or at the least get a result so yes we can win the league. what we need to somehow employ is a way to get the players playing close to 100% every week easier said than done obviously.

22 Jul 2017 20:10:38
2 very very good players that will massively strengthen the spine of the team.

If couts stays and we stay as injury free as possible I'd say we could have a good go.

22 Jul 2017 20:17:20
Yes they are. A CB who will eliminate those stupid headers of milner and a dynamic CM who will keep us ticking great in the absence of Coutinho what you saw in the second half!

22 Jul 2017 19:46:56
B Scouse

Yes Keita does it week in week out at RBL. Why do you think we are splashing record money for him!

22 Jul 2017 21:36:41
I'm not sure about kieta, seems to run into dead ends a lot, like to see a midfielder play an early ball and split a defence.

22 Jul 2017 16:34:28
Would love to keep kent could be a very good option off the bench, direct, pace and uses both feet descent crossing quality. Can be a nightmare for full backs late on in the game.

22 Jul 2017 17:36:23
I think he is still one more season away but i agree, he is very, very good.

22 Jul 2017 20:10:37
I could be wrong was he not one that was being talked about as leaving this summer during the season? Have things changed as I do like him and he dribbles with the ball a lot closer to him now than I remember which is a big achievement.

22 Jul 2017 19:49:00
It's a difficult choice, keeping him as a mere back up would hinder his development. He needs minutes on the pitch either at Liverpool or on a good loan!

22 Jul 2017 15:15:31
Coutinho and salah will get all the plaudits and rightly so both where awesome. But henderson this second half has shown that he is vitaly important, keeps things ticking in the middle of the park and tell you what he breaks the play up unbelievably aswel. Well done Hendo.

22 Jul 2017 15:24:51
KJ, Hendo just like Wiji, have always been important players for us under Klopp and that has not and won't ever change. It is his detractors many of who have ne idea why they slate him cos they just do it cos those around them do it, that unfairly slate him without watching him closely to see all the dirty and unflashy work he does on the pitch.

22 Jul 2017 17:03:55
Hendo was excellent. Great to have our Captain back!

22 Jul 2017 17:14:52
Per Echo FSG has told Klopp the Magician will not be sold.

22 Jul 2017 17:38:09
Then, that settles it then. Time to focus on the preseason and get ready for the season ahead as it may be a quite memorable one, hopefully.

22 Jul 2017 19:46:46
Of course and that's why Klopp is looking at a more dynamic playmaker in Keita. Lol. Second half was all passing Sideways Brendan Rodgers! Wijnaldum was cut open by Mahrez not once!

22 Jul 2017 21:31:22
Imagine when Mane is thrown into the mix too! Salah and Mane terrorising from the flanks and any one of Firmino, Studge, Origi, Solanke occupying them in the middle with Coutinho and hopefully Keita pulling the strings in midfield. Wow!

22 Jul 2017 14:45:38
Guessing couts must be on around 200k. Kieta if signed 150k.

Why not tell Barcelona they can have couts and the 70mil for kieta for neymar and pay him what there combined salary would be.

What a front 3.

Then just finish our business with a proven CB.

22 Jul 2017 15:28:44
Dillusions of grandeur.

22 Jul 2017 17:16:20
This page is called banter. I have no expectation or belief off could get or afford neymar lol.

22 Jul 2017 14:17:21
Trademark Coutinho goal. The boy is different class.

22 Jul 2017 14:23:20
I know I've said for ages were getting keita to replace couts, but one season with both would be a dream. Crosses from full back again to conceed.

22 Jul 2017 14:31:41
Salah is effing brilliant.

On a side note I would have TAA as our no 1 RB and Clyne to fill in when tired or injured. I know he's only a kid but he offers more - throw him in!

We will be even more dangerous when Sadio comes back. Some defences will get a hiding this year, that's for sure.

22 Jul 2017 14:33:09
Looks like Coutinho is having heart ache now. He wants to go but does not want to look like he is pushing for the move.

Leave the smile, Can see pain in his face because of the situation.

That or is he carrying an injury?

Cheers.

22 Jul 2017 14:36:03
He's off to Barcelona 😤😤did you c his face when he scored . you swear it was an own goal . gutted if he goes gutted.

22 Jul 2017 15:16:17
Its called a friendly hmasson2.

Want him to swing his shirt around his head and jump head first in to the crowd?

22 Jul 2017 16:21:45
True but still smile it won't hurt people over there love him at least show you are enjoying yourself.

22 Jul 2017 16:48:35
It was a final and a leading goal infr9nt of a full house.

I expect a smile like.

22 Jul 2017
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22 Jul 2017 10:18:26
Liverpool will look to alternatives in the summer if our last bid of £75m is turned down those being, Arsenal's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Schalke's Leon Goretzka or Lazio's Sergej Milinkovic-Savic

Leipzig will likely accept this offer as the player can leave next year for £48m as stated in his release Claus

VVD has submitted a transfer request in and is likely to join Liverpool in the coming weeks, primarily before the season begins.

22 Jul 2017 12:21:02
KMAC, Savic has just signed a new deal so that won't happen. Ox is more than likely to stay at Arsenal and Goretzka has said reportedly that he is staying at Schalke this coming season (trying the make the Germany squad, I guess) .

22 Jul 2017 12:43:51
Lazio aren't going to sell Savic as he's just signed a new contract and he has no interest in moving (his agent has said as much), Oxlade-Chamberlain would be throwing good money away as he's not (and never will be) a centre midfielder, leaving Goreztka as the only viable alternative.

22 Jul 2017 12:50:53
You will have to pay a similar amount to land Savic who is similar to Lallana! Leon Goretzka won't be moving this summer no matter what! Schalke Ian not selling him. He is another offensive CAM defensively suspect.

Both are million miles off from what Keita offers to any team!

Ox is a failed winger!

22 Jul 2017 09:27:22
With reports that neymar is wanting to move to psg does that sway lil Phil to stay and become a hero or slot into the gap that neymar will leave?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Neymar.}

22 Jul 2017 10:22:33
Build the statue quick!

22 Jul 2017 10:24:49
Ed all I'm suggesting is that neymar and Phil are really close friends and that if neymar leaves will Barcelona still feel as special for Phil without his close friend with him, for me personally I reckon he will stay at Liverpool anyways but I read this morning that they are making a final offer and of he wants the move to Barcelona Phil will have to cause disruption to get the move himself now I understand Liverpool was in the wrong and had secret meetings with the player but how is that any different by going through media.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe they can find someone else to hold his hand? Is he really that much of a childish flake?~

22 Jul 2017 10:47:52
Flake 😂😂 love it, class.

22 Jul 2017 11:04:58
He does have a mikey mouse tattoo. Bit flakey if you ask me.

22 Jul 2017 11:23:49
Its common practice for slim tanned Brazilian boys to oil each other up on the golden sand beaches of Brazil, while dancing round in speedo branded pink thongs sipping on coctails and munching on big fat pieces of melons.

What are you lot trying to suggest?

Its a culture for them and i see nothing wrong with it.

You have serious issues.

22 Jul 2017 11:33:23
So if Coutinho has been influenced to move by Neymar he's cast as a childish flake yet VVD and Keita can be immorally 'unsettled' by discussions that their paid agents and representatives were complicit in with full knowledge, we presume, that their players were not authorised to discuss terms with other clubs.
I am not claiming that Liverpool have done nothing wrong, we clearly need to clean up our act. Issues here predate Klopp. I am, however, incredulous that the agents and players involved are not seen to be complicit by many posters on here.
As for Coutinho, we have seen, at Stoke, his committment to the club. His actions speak far louder than any words.

{Ed002's Note - Christ you really are a moron. The statement about Coutinho was in relation to him needing a little friend at Barcedlona and someone to hold his hand. A friend that Coutinho took matters in his own hands to ask him to speak with Barcelona after he had spoken with International team mates. You are dribbling right now and you should move on and stop looking for pitiful excuses.}

22 Jul 2017 11:54:50
I don't need to back up my arguments with ad hominem insults.

{Ed002's Note - There is no argument - it is simple. You didn't understand the words or you twisted the words. You posts are pitiful rubbish that we don't need.}

22 Jul 2017 16:19:38
Have a day off andyM gheez.

22 Jul 2017 08:23:38
I am not sure what has keita shown in one season that he commands 80 million transfer fee.
Is he as good as coutinio in terms of ability abit a different position. Is he as good as iniesta was?

22 Jul 2017 09:11:20
Forget about the money . Look around you at all the transfer fees.

Keita is a very very good player.

22 Jul 2017 09:30:44
Reds till death im really sorry im sure your a great bloke. But this is a terrible post!

22 Jul 2017 09:42:46
When you are talking £50m for Kyle walker and Swansea are demanding £50m for Sigurdson. you get where I'm going!

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the price of other players.}

22 Jul 2017 10:11:48
He's definitely not as good as Iniesta.

22 Jul 2017 10:29:11
not many can be anywhere near as good as iniesta to be fair.

22 Jul 2017 10:31:39
Iniesta is one off the all time greats.

Impossible to replace,

Players are often described as "great" but in Iniestas case it is a true discription.

Little Phil will never be as good.

and little Phil is a top player.

22 Jul 2017 12:27:47
The OP is absolutely correct. Keita is not worth 70m and even RBL know that cos his release clause is 48m euros reportedly altho, it is not applicable to non bundesliga teams. Ed is also correct that it has nothing to do with other players' prices. Clubs are free to put a price on their players based on what they think he is worth. The same for RBL. They only put in a 70m on him cos they don't want to sell. Other clubs were interested in him but walked away from the deal due to the price but alas, only LFC can't take a hint.

22 Jul 2017 12:41:34
He is seen as an investement for the next 5-6 years. Just like we signed Solanke. I would rather spend on one Keita than £30 mill every year on a new player!

22 Jul 2017 12:49:44
Reds til death it's not simply one season, he's been a good player for the last three years or so with continued improvement at each level he's played at.

22 Jul 2017 14:08:49
BScouse,

We are not spending the money for one season! You are souring rubbish! He is a 5-6 year solid investment. An asset whose value will rise every year and not decline! You know nothing why club buys player!

Why did we buy Grujic! There was hardly any need to buy someone from Brazil who wouldn't displace the first team yet we paid over the odds to land the player!

22 Jul 2017 07:47:26
Question for ed001 just for your opinion do you think coutinho will leave if so surely to god 70 million is not enough when you consider a right back went for 50 million
Thanks for your time
Up the pool.

{Ed001's Note - in time, yes of course he will leave. I don't know about this season, but it would have to be for more than Pogba cost to be worth our while selling him. If his sale would pay for all our transfer business this summer, then it would be worth considering. Personally I would not want him to go unless he asks to leave.

Just as an opinion, I am torn, as it does feel like we are planning for a future without him.}

22 Jul 2017 08:07:48
I agree ed001, but at least we are planning! This is an improvement from signing Balotelli, Benteke etc.

22 Jul 2017 08:16:25
Coutinho is the last player I'd want to leave us because he is utterly class, but at the moment there see to be lots of talented players out there that could potentially replace him. Not that I care about money but a world record deal would surely be worth considering.

22 Jul 2017 08:47:24
We planned for Suarez's replacement, we just didn't make the plan work. Let's wait and see who we have at the end of transfer window before we say we've planned well or not.

22 Jul 2017 09:22:59
If we sign Keita and VVD, then the plan to replace Coutinho will have worked at least on paper. Keita will have to shoulder the burden of not only being our talisman but also one of the world's most expensive player (if Klopp sees him as Coutinho's replacement) . VVD should improve our backline and Keita will bring the drive and creativity from midfield.

22 Jul 2017 09:46:55
No one want cout to leave but if he does PLEASE get a replacement in first.

22 Jul 2017 10:31:01
he should only be sold if he wants to leave. otherwise don't sell our best player.

22 Jul 2017 10:51:22
I think this reemphasises the importance of keita.

Didn't we try to do really well replacing Suarez with Sanchez, only to balls it up and then end up years behindnwhere we were.

If we don't get Keita, cou could still go and we don't want to be in a position where we have 90 mil in our pocket and no targets left, this is how we will resign the Welsh day I.

22 Jul 2017 12:35:21
If he does not want to leave yet then he should not be sold to finance any deals, end of story. Like Ed, I know he will leave us at some point and i'm okay with that but only if he wants to and for more than what Pog-dab got cos if Pog-dab and his other donkey team mate Lukak-crap were worth 90m then Couts is easily worth over 100m especially if he has a great season with us this season. But I agree with Ed01 that it may be that we are planning for life without Couts thiis season. I hope I'm wrong, tho.

22 Jul 2017 07:44:30
good lord to all the people saying you feel sick at how Klopp made VVD do what he did. VVD would've left anyways and if whatever klopp did will make him come to us then more power to Klopp. get to the top however you can.

{Ed002's Note - You think it good that the club also screwed up the career of a 12 year old boy leaving his parents in debt? Would you be proud of a points deduction, where it with pride? How about a transfer ban? Who cares we is Liverpool. You celebrate failure and you celebrate unprofessionalism by the club (who by the way are trying to distance themselves from a couple of other matters that are now bubbling under). The clown like persona is slipping as his arrogance is now being seen in his hypocrisy. To deliberately damage a professional player to the point where his position becomes untenable is completely unacceptable. If the Premier League are fit for purpose they will now have little option but to investigate this matter - something they have been avoiding - and take appropriate action. We are all getting sick of the cretins like you and your "get to the top however you can" attitude. It seems that the club does have the fans that it deserves.}

22 Jul 2017 08:23:36
Eds is right your not looking at the bigger picture cb.

22 Jul 2017 08:37:36
Ed002 this deeply saddens me that we as such a so called family club would place a family in debt through our underhand tactics. i know a little of the matter but not the full facts and if it has done to death then my apologies.
But if not could you explain what exactly conspired and how we have destroyed this family financially please?
Also I find it astonishing that a club as great as ours, built on passion and history could not now after realising what we have done not rectified the matter financially at least.

{Ed002's Note - This has been covered and relates to the transfer ban Liverpool is already serving and a pending court case in respect to a child from Stoke. You should also be able to search the internet and find a great deal of coverage. Liverpool falsified legal paperwork, lied to the investigation, tried to have the boy's parents lie to the investigation. There is a pending court case with a cliched smoking gun or two ready to be aired.

And I could not agree more, that the club whose history is very honorable has fallen a very long way.}

22 Jul 2017 08:46:55
Sorry ed excuse my stupidity but when you say his position is untenable what do you mean?

{Ed002's Note - His mind is not on his job at Southampton who are now having to fight to try and persuade him to focus on them. They know that there is interest from two other sides now but they really don't want to sell - but they will likely have to.}

22 Jul 2017 09:22:54
Wow ed002,thank you for the detailed reply, I will most certainly read up further on it.
It's shocking that a club like ours where pride, decency honour should be fundamental, would act in this way. it seems by recent actions we are sacrificing our principles to attain results.
Not good at all.

{Ed002's Note - You are absolutely right. They need to very quickly get back on track.}

22 Jul 2017 09:35:13
Just to reinforce what ed002 says about this "get to the top at all costs" attitude.
You don't get to the top by behaving like this. What goes around comes around and LFC is storing up some pretty bad karma. Personally I don't just blame Klopp, I blame the governance of the club also.
To behave like the club has behaved in recent years just smacks of desperation. It is a clear sign of an inferiority complex and weakness which opponents will be celebrating.
We need to clean up our act as a club. I don't think the people running the club are giving out that message effectively enough.

22 Jul 2017 09:51:32
Agreed Liverpool's behavior where transfers are concerned is very poor and unprofessional. Yes it's morally wrong, but from even a business point of view it's hurting the club. However I have a very talented footballing nephew and I cannot begin to tell you how badly ALL the clubs interested in signing him have behaved, here and on the continent. So whilst this in no way makes Liverpool and Klopp's behavior excusable, it shows clubs with more money, clout and appeal behave despicably to get what they want, so when you throw our desperation in to join them at the top table in, I'm not surprised we behave like we do. Have to say, Spurs aside in this, they were class.

22 Jul 2017 10:05:39
Might have missed something here but was VVD not looking to leave after the Southampton/ Fonte/ West ham thing anyway? Surely we were just getting a march on our rivals for his signature. Think his desire to leave runs deeper than Liverpool's interest.

{Ed002's Note - You want me to explain it yet again?}

22 Jul 2017 10:15:47
Doom - if he wanted to leave, he would put in a transfer request. Simple as that.
Even if he had put in a transfer request, LFC should talk to Saints before they brief the press.

There is no excuse no matter which way you cut it.

22 Jul 2017 10:19:43
No I'm just saying we are not wholly to blame for VVD wanting to leave. Southampton have a history of complaining about clubs approaching their players and putting up a tough stance, though given our purchase history with them we should have approached it in a more professional manner.

{Ed002's Note - You really don't get it at all. It is not the fault of Southampton that Liverpool and Klopp have behaved in an illegal and reprehensible manner. Scratching away blaming others and them in desparation makes you an embarrassment. Liverpool football club and Klopp are entirely responsible for the damage they have done to a professional footballer who is contracted to another club.}

22 Jul 2017 04:07:01
I think couts will give us 1 more season and then we will allow his transfer to Barcelona without a formal written request. we could win the treble this year and I don't think it would be enough to keep him. This will give us enough time to scout a replacement and negotiate the best deal we possibly can.

22 Jul 2017 07:21:16
But I know we shouldn't believe what players say but he did come out with he wants to be remembered as a legend at lfc! So hopefully he can stay but if not he won't be the first and won't be the last we have sold our best players.

22 Jul 2017 08:09:53
I know I'd love it if he'd stay but going to Barcelona is a dream for any player let alone a Brazilian. If it was to to another prem club or psg I'd be petty disappointed.

22 Jul 2017 09:45:41
I'm not buying the "dream move" angle, he'd stay with us if he thought we were the better team.
Why do we have to keep selling our best players? Why do Barcelona see us as such a soft target? Under Abramovich, Chelsea haven't sold a single player who was vital to the team. Robben was a good player but not vital to what Chelsea were doing, and he went to an inferior side in RM.