Liverpool Banter Archive March 22 2012

 

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22 Mar 2012 23:24:16
The Real KB is right

I've mentioned a few things on here but I spoke to someone on Twitter tonight and to be honest it hit home.

I stand behind Dalglish and the team. Onto the next game. Whatever happens I know I will love them anyway so we need to stand together.

Spriggo


 

 

22 Mar 2012 23:11:57
I'd just like to repeat a couple of things that I have said before:-
1) Liverpool are NOT going to be spending a fortune on players in the next Transfer Window. The team will be chosen from the majority of players already in the squad and some of the reserves already at the club. There may be a couple of signings but the Owners have stated all along that youth is the future.
2) If all the top clubs in Europe are interested in a player then Liverpool are a long way down on the list of favourites. I would say that the choices are along the following lines
1 Barcelona
2 Real Madrid
3 Juventus
4 Manchester United
5 Manchester City (huge salary)
6 Chelsea " "
7 Arsenal (nice football,based in London)
8 Tottenham Hotspur (based in London)
9/10 Internazionale / AC Milan
11 Paris St Germain (money,money,money)
12 Liverpool
The majority of us would say Liverpool but current success, real promise of medals, and huge salaries are not in our C.V at the moment. What I want to see are players who WANT to play for Liverpool. Hopefully the youth will get us in such a position that spending a lot of money on established 'stars' is not necessary.
Dutchmal


Sorry mate but your list is far too simplistic, you are taking very little into consideration.

Jatt YNWA


Try telling pepe the medal he just won means nothing or the medal he will be fighting for in the Fscreamingeagle


Sorry Jatt - I can't follow you. I think that you should correct it if you disagree. There are too many posts with 'agree' or' disagree' where no-one has a solution. It's always easy to be negative but extremely hard to be positive. I think that the list is fairly realistic although I forgot to put Bayern Munich on it as well. Let's face it, it could be worse, in what position do you think the 'People's Club' would be? Cheers, and thanks fot your non-abusive reply.
Dutchmal


 

 

22 Mar 2012 23:11:25
The Mirror are so bad.. Reporting Sterling's mum wants him to leave as his making no "progress". He's 17, most 17 year old's would be playing for under 18's yet he's probably the best player we have in the reserves. Then they go on to say that we refused loan bids for him.. (Even though he's not even old enough to go out on loan). You have to laugh at some of these things..


Completely agree my dad was telling me about it this morning and i read the article and just laughed and pointed out all the massive flaws in it i just find it funny that they put we arent letting him go out on loan even though hes not old enough
Kanos


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:52:13
I laugh at the way KKs critics say 'we are losing patience' after a year in the manager's role.
Patience, guys, patience

cozinoz


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:38:05
I'm going to the game on Saturday & can't wait. I will cheer all the boys on as do the overwhelming majority of the supporters.
But most of all, I'll be singing Kennys name and will be proud to do so. The man has put some life back in our club, got some traditions and values back.
I don't blindly support him, I thank him for coming back and helping out club. Everyone wants to win, especially when said 100m has been spent but the footy we have played this season has been fantastic albeit not winning.
So please show the man some respect like he shows you and support him, the team and club or F#k off and stay shallow.
Ultra red


Agreed 100%. we hv to admit we aint the force we used to be but we are in the right direction..,,,

San


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:33:55
For a team in 7th would you expect he goalkeeper to have been man of the match at least once in the season?

I don't believe that Pepe has?

Bar good distribution I really do not see him as outstanding any more.

Thoughts...

Jack the Groove


Just because he doesn't get man of the match doesn't mean he is bad - it means that the team are doing well. How many goals have we conceded this season? the 3rd least? What do you want Reina to do? Stick the ball in their net?

BthekingB {Ed001's Note - maybe he could be the poacher we are missing?}


Have to agree I've said it before on this site I'm afraid his hearts not in it any more and he has no competition we need a good young and ambitious reserve keeper or a well established keeper in a poor team al Habsi at wigan would fit the bill and he gets plenty of practice but with a better back line in front of him he could be a good aquisition


Agreed with you on al Habsi. He's made a few mistakes, but when it comes to blocking shots he's made some amazing saves. Another one would be Hennesey for me along the same lines.

RDL


Habsi much better than reina in most aspects of goal keeping except his distribution of the ball.

Reina has become lost in the broken promises of management and poor performances of his team mates over the years now he may just want to leave but does not want the consternation that followed torres when he left.

Reina needs a new challaenge for his own sake just as liverpool need a new hungry goal keeper.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:33:31
I think that Kenny has done a great job!
Think about it really think about where we were heading lads! Now we have alot of hope! Carrol, Henderson, Spearing, Kelly, Shelvy, all fantastic young players who could turn out to be instrumental for the progress of Liverpool... In a few years once these player had proved themselves teams like United City Chelsea will be chasing them but heres the kicker! They wont go anywhere becuase Kenny likes long term contracts and loyalty and i see that throughout the squad!
All will return our support we just have to give them every bit of confidence to get better sooner rather than later... If we played Aqualinni and Gerrard all season where would we be next season and the next these players are now our future and i hope Noone signs in the summer!
Liverpool have enough Tallent now for the next 15 years lets just sit back and enjoy it all develop!
Oh and a RW thats where i want Sterling next year and you wouldn't want his progress jepodised would ya!!
Positivly RED! Woop!


I want whatever your taking mate

St. Helen's Red


I hope that we do sign Noone - I believe that he has averaged 1.67 goals per game and has even gone in to goal to stop six penalties. I'm sure that WE will be able to afford the £75 million necessary. I'll have my collection box with me on Saturday for your donations to the 'Buy Noone' Fund. I'm certain that by the end of the match I will have enough money to buy Noone!!
DM2012


Spot on DM2012. Noone is the future. His first touch is divine, great pace and an eye for goal.

Good backup keeper too. Phenomenal talent.

BJH YNWA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:31:14
Eds,
will liverpool make any improvements to the first eleven in the summer?

Kenny says "if anyone is going to come in they will have to be a hell of a player"

What do you think eds? {Ed001's Note - yes.}


When did Kenny say that?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:21:43
Hi Eds, I've seen alot of people moaning about how meireles was sold and seen your opinion of Meireles. I completely agree with it. But the bigger problem is, we've replaced Meireles with Henderson, who doesn't like to tackle either. Cant help but feel we need players with better mentality and not so reliant on form


 

 

22 Mar 2012 22:09:25
just seen what john bishop did for sport releif - amazing doesnt describe it - proud he is a red!
Big Redman


 

 

22 Mar 2012 21:57:59
Anyone at the game last night see that QPR supporting South American fella up in the South Africa Road stand ?
He was wearing a blue sombrero and had a trumpet with him. I cracked up when, in a lull, we all heard this latin blast on the trumpet and looked up to see this loon giving it some. Lol.
All the Liverpool fans gave him a big roar, and he was waving and grinning back. Brilliant.
The Real KB


 

 

22 Mar 2012 21:42:09
@ SP, 15.46 hrs
What the f are you on mate ?
Going on about religion, history and Cruyff ?
This is a Liverpool FC site, and we're talking about Kenny Dalglish.
I said if Liverpool fans, and this would especially include you if you're a fan of 38 years as you said, cannot respect Kenny enough to allow him to finish his 3 year contract, then there's nothing for them.
The Real KB


There is always time to talk of Johan.

Always.

Why do you hate football?

Cruyff schooled Shankly's Liverpool when he was a kid - It was apparently the game that made Shanks realise we had to improve to compete in Europe.

When you see Barca, Spain or Ajax play ball - remember that without Cruyff and Michels none of it would exist.

Cruyff is football.

Messi may be magic, but I doubt he will leave the game with such a glorious legacy.

Although Messi is arguably the better player - Cruyff redefined the game for decades. He is a god.

BJH YNWA.


The Real KB: sorry. You just want to bang on and an and on about KK?
You're the sort of bloke that wouldn't read abook becuase of all the 'other stuff in it!' Let's make "The Da Vinci Code" simple for you then - man finds code, chases round lots of places and finds it's summin to do with Jesus. Done. Better?
If you managed to undertsand any of thye big words they would have spelled out a discussion centred on KK.
This IS a Liverpool FC site and you are ignorant enough NOT to realise I do want him to finish his contract. It seems to suit your ignorant blatherings to say I don't. Can't be bothered with people like you. Liverpool fan here.
SP


BJH YNWA
Total agreement and respect for these comments.
I also place people like Effenberg and Lars Olsen, Elkjaer and Laudrup (M) in that group. Delightful to watch .... but hey! This is a Liverpool FC site and why is Cruyff asking for KK to be sacked!!?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 21:12:18
Quick question for everyone including eds if possible.

If at the start of the season you wouldve been offered 7th place but with two cups or top 4 with no cups...what would you take?

Side question - what do you think the other top 6 teams would take?

Nevada


Good question, very close but two cups [if we win]


The other 6 teams would take champions league, that's where the money is, fact.


I believe all the top teams would take 4th tbh, the money aspect and ability to draw players is massive

Ska-oop


What would you take if, say, John Henry & Co would throw in the deficit of money we lost out on by not making the Champions League? 4th place or 2 trophies?

cozinoz


I'd of took two cups and anything other than relegation.you need to build a bubble and the good times will follow.Anfield south always looks better in Liverpool red.

King luis


I think the cups are necessary at this stage


I love this make-believe world u lot have created - they do say necessity is the mother of invention tho lol


For me, it would have to be 4th if I'm being honest. The cups are nice, but I see much more in terms of potential coming from Champions League spots then either cup. Maybe not fair, but seems to be the way of the world these days...

RDL


 

 

22 Mar 2012 21:10:12
Just a comment to consider,

You're all saying that you need to have consistency with managers. United are currently the only team which have had same manager for an extended period of time which is successful. Look at all the others that have been successful since inception of the premier league;

Milan - changed manager every vcouple of years still won just about everything early to mid 90's

Madrid - Same again
Bayern - and again
Inter - and again
Juventus - again
Chelsea - again

Man utd are a one off really, people will point out arsenal, IF you class them as a successfull team now then they too would be the minority. Consistency does not always breed success, it only does when you have the right person. Couldve given hodgeson 10 years in the job he would never have won the league.


Well if you are hesitant in mentioning Arsenal, I would hardly place Chelsea as successful ?


Wenger may not have brought cup success to Arsenal, but he does a excellent job 'financially speaking', he is one very smart man (masters degree in economics I believe).


Most of those clubs operate with a football/sporting director in charge of squad building to get their consistency. Their manager is a head coach.

Bayern have had Hoeness, Rummenige, Beckenbauer and others in the positions of power. All football men, all Bayern through and through.

Like most of the clubs mentioned, they've also been amongst the richest clubs (The richest in Germany) for a long time as well.

Consistency with managers is important if they are in charge of long term development. If they are only taking short term decisions on selection, training and tactics, then it's not.


Man utd are a once off

Or Maybe Fergie is just a special manager


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:45:40
any help would be nice! {Ed002's Note - Sorry but you have him confused with someone else.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:50:17
completely unbiased observer here but here are my thoughts on the situation
you would have got top 4 if you spent wisely. arsenal poor for the majority of the season and chelsea imploding top 4 was there for the taking but a combination of bad transfers and management has cost you this season


We must Sign this guy up to replace kenny now this guys knowledge is there to be shown top 4 next season gents lol

Mickleburg


I agree there was a good chance with the way the season panned out, but i disagree it was simple. There are 5 or 6 new signings to settle in a new team, and the captain out most of the season and the best signing banned for 8 eight games didn't help. Sometimes a overall of a team just click sometimes they need to gel.


Hmm these excuses dont cut it with me, hav a look at newcastle , good buys and management with very little spend are above us, time has run out for excuses for kenny, he simply is not up to it anymore. Everyone take those rose tinted glasses off, if rafa benitez gets sacked for 1 bad season with very little spend, kenny should be gone by now, thats no disrespect to him just being honest about this situation. Most fans who weren't wearing thos rose tinted glasses could of told you at the start of the season kenny has wasted alot of money on average british players. RedTurk


So demba ba was banned for 9 games ? you idiot!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:37:47
What we need in my opinion:

When we go 2-0 up we need to keep it that way and hit on the break with a pacey forward. That is how it works nowadays. We need speed and the fastest played we have in a forward position is Raheem Sterling. I think when we go up and they are pressurising we need to bring him on to hit on the break with Kuyt and Henderson doing all the running.

BthekingB


Speed isnt always the answer, Arsenal have both walcott and Gervinho who are quick and they are both crap


The best form of defence when your 2-0 up is attack to make it 3-0. And not start sitting further and further back! Your just inviting trouble which is what we tend to do.
kidmillions


The fastest player we have is bellamy


Give sterling a chance


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:34:44
Eds,
It's obvious that we need new signings in the summer.
But not many, our general play is great, we create lots of chances but cant finish them.

So I think we need 3 players in the summer which can improve our first 11.

But I would like to know which players you would prefer eds? (positions and names) {Ed002's Note - Sorry, I can't get in to this. The grief will be hopeless.}


Lionel Messi, Rooney and van Persie. Simple really. The owners should give Kenny at least £200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and then we could buy the players we need to win the PL.


Rooney? I don't think so. Messi and Van Persie would be nice but Rooney is hit and miss. Give me Suarez any day.

cozinoz


Rooney?


Cozinoz, Suarez over Rooney? LOL. Check the stats, watch them play, see how often Rooney scores and Suarez doesnt etc etc

It's not like you to be so biased sir! ;)

Gav


See how Suarez creates and Rooney doesn't gav.


If it was just about goals, Gav, Id go Jordan Rhodes.....but its not is it? I would rather Suarez over Rooney any day - thats not biased, I just think he contributes a lot more, more often.

cozinoz


Jesus! The number of people who took seriously!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:13:54
I personally don't think Kenny is the man to continue to lead us after this season. I am not stating we should sack him.

He has been as many have pointed out tactically inept this season. We have been so inconsistent, but do people forget that we have struggled this way for years even when challenging under Rafa and this possibly cost us dear at that time.

The club is a lot more stable now and there is money to spend. I think we should look to a young manager who we can give the next five years to. It won't be something that happens overnight but we have the correct platform for success.

The other point I would like to make that I think is worth considering if KK continues. Look at the type of football we have played under him, look at the games we have controlled, and done so comfortably? We are missing one massive thing....The ability to kill off teams with a ruthlessness that champions have. If Kenny and Camoli could bring in the quality of players to do this for us and a more creative nature, would we be that far away?

Look at Man City and the money they have spent, I maybe wrong but they have took 4 years to get to were they are now. They struggled with inconsistency a year or two ago! Think about these things because stability can bring success with the right man in front!

If someone did take over....I would take either Klopp or Brendon Rogers! Brendon has impressed me with the way he is and his whole way of trying to play the game!

Anyway sorry to go on, leave ED1 alone!

Cheers, Great site eds

Jon LFC


A good post, talk a lot of sense instead of the heat of the moment bulls**t whats flying about


Brendon Rogers eh! Bet you were impressed with Roy Hodgson "Manager of the Year!" Thank God numpties like you have no say in the matter. Kenny is doing just fine. No pain no Gain as they say.The pass and move football is great! We just need to offload a few and sign a couple in the Summer and if we manage to win a couple of Cups? Well Brendon Rogers My Ass!!
kidmillions


It's increasingly obvious Brendan Rogers is the brightest young manager in British football. Anyone who can't see that knows nothing about the game.


Didn't they say that about AVB, and look how that turned out.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 20:05:34
I think everyone needs to calm down, the difference between last season and this is huge, but, it's Gunna take 2 -3 seasons to be challenging for the top trophys, it ain't Gunna happen over night, players will arrive, and players will move on, that's football, everyone seems to think kenny
Was going to challenge for the title in his first season, get real, it doesn't happen like that,fsg are here for the long haul, they ain't stupid,they probably knew this season was about making progress, yeah, it's been frustrating,but we've won a trophy, maybe win another, and yes, the league position is not great, kk will probably get some more money this summer,not as much as last year,maybe enough for 2-3 good players, then we shall see, if we are in the same position next season then surely fsg will look at bringing in some ody else, it would be a shame,but that's football.


Actually the difference between last season and this is a league cup...thats it


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:58:27
We're all dissapointed at how are league form has been and that some of are signings have not been great and it's easy to blame Kenny but he's as bigger fan as all of us and he'll be desperate to get things right for next year. I think just a few quality signingsand we won't be far off and if things don't go the way we all hope then Kenny won't need sacking he would do what is best for the club.

Lets all get behind the team and give Kenny time to build this team.

Bilverstone
YNWA


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:37:52
I still like Martin Harnik, he would be good at liverpool


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:36:11
We need speed. Rodrigo Palacio would do a job for us


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:35:58
What happened to that Mexician kid we were suppose to sign (the new hernandez) cant remember the name but was a 17/18 year old ?


Not 18 yet, will sign when he is.

Stu.


Maybe you mean Marco Bueno, he was on trial in the summer and i believe he has signed a Pre-Contract agreement with Liverpool.


If you mean Erick Torees he's going to United.


Why don't fans use the search button - this question comes up every couple of days.
Dutchmal


Marco Bueno, is that not a chocolate bar?

Gav


No gav u dumba**. Its the name of a future mexican superstar we have signed, n he is only 18.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:31:45
what do you think went wrong at the QPR game, ? I thought our back line was a little too high considering we where two goals up in the game. Skrtel was talking high up the pitch and got caught out a few times. The kelly sub, Coats at the back seem to cause a bit of confusion at the back. sensible answers would help, QPR seem like a rout one team, they kick it up towards Zamora cisse


Enrique too casual ..believes his own hype ?


Well i was not impressed by are defending and i dont know what you think but to me of late pepe has been standing like his feet are nailed to the ground,swear he was complaining about defending before the ball had crossed the line for one goal .
if your defenders are having a bad day the keeper should come out for crosses and comand his area, not sure pepe did that.

martin p


It's simple for me. Look at the recent results, whats changed in the last month? The paired in the middle of defence is the answer. As much as Carra has done for the team he is past it and Coates is not quite ready yet. That Skrtel and Agger partnership was immense for us.

ChrisE


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:25:15
Why are people saying that the top strikers are likely to choose other clubs over liverpool?

Surely any smart striker would see the stats and see that we are creating so many chances, but just need a good finisher to put them away. Liverpool is a glorious opportunity for any striker to have the most possible number of shots on goal, therefore more goals, and therefore making a better name of themselves.

Soldado 2 LFC {Ed002's Note - I rather think they are saying it because of teh lack of Champions League football.}


Why would a foreign player want to go to Liverpool when he could go to London like a Arsenal or Chelsea.


To the unnamed poster, if a striker is a player that can put away chances, there is no other striker like that at liverpool, therefore he is unique.

And because of the many chances we create, if they are a good finisher, they are bound to score the goals, and so therefore would have an almost guaranteed starting position in a team that is on the up.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:24:07
Who has been our player of the season, ive been thinking of it and gone for skrtel, I wouldn't even be a fan of his...says it all really about this season


Or maybe be jay or daniel


Jay spearing player of the season? I know you guys have had a poor season but it's not been that bad has it?

Gav


Skrtel, without a doubt, hes bin great this season


Jay is five times to player tom cleverly is gav.


@Gav - No it hasn't been that bad.

Someone clearly has Scousebiasitis.

A recognised medical condition amongst LFC fans which impairs all rational judgement of ability where scouse footballers are concerned.

For me - Skrtel, then Agger - then Suarez, we've had a lot of inconsistent players this season sadly. That Suarez is in shows how poor the others have been.

On another note -

I'm glad people have realised Enrique is not as amazing as he was hyped up to be (I wish he was that good! don't get me wrong!). The exaggeration of his ability was starting to bother me - Glen Johnson is certainly his equal as a player.

He's still a good left back though, as Johnson is a good RB - and he's still a bargain at £6m. With good coaching he can be better.

He needs to learn when to pass/release the ball - and to stop driving into the wingers space so often - both with and without the ball - he should be supporting the winger, not seeking to constantly occupy his space - thats what good full backs do.

It doesn't help that he runs into dead ends and his delivery is poor either.

He needs to learn to clear the ball when necessary. His insistence on shielding the ball and trying to dribble out of trouble is exciting to watch - but asking for trouble when close to our penalty area.

On defending set-pieces - he should try standing on the pitch when assigned a post to cover... that would be a start.... shocking, and not a one-off either, and barely a mention of this habit either....

cue twilight zone music....

BJH YNWA. (great pace, engine, good tackler, lots of ability - just needs to sort out some fundamentals in his game -- then he can be truly a quality fullback.)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:15:32
Do Liverpool need faster CBKs after last nights defeat


 

 

22 Mar 2012 19:03:00
Lucas went from donkey to world class but it took him 3 whole years. That's why I don't play the blame game anymore. KK has only had 1 year and already has us playing great stuff and has won us our 1st trophy in 6 years. Yeah,we suck as far as the league results are concerned but we have had some bad bad luck and players like Adam and Carrol who are playing nowhere near what they are capable of and Henderson who is still pretty young and I hope he comes good cause he has shown signs of a good player. Add a quality right winger,creative mid and goalscorer (all the things hendo,adam and carrol are supposed to be but arent just yet) to this team and add to that some consistency and we'll be flying next season. Then we'll still have some great players like the 3 mentioned above on the bench to come on and change a game. I still don't get the stick Coates is getting. He is a great young player. We're still in the FA Cup as well so it's not all bad. Remember it took this Man City team 3 or 4 seasons to be the force they are today. Give the king one more season and stop focusing on the negatives for goodies sakes. We are Liverpool supporters, we're supposed to be the best in the world. Let's act the part. Great football,a trophy in the cabinet,Euro footy already gaurenteed next season and still in with a chance of another trophy. KK must be doing something right?
Capetownred

PS sorry for the long post. My thumbs hurt...


What a refreshing post, I think everyone is just frustrated because they know where we could be if everyone was performing to the level they can. This, mixed with a bit more good fortune and who knows. The future is Red all the way from the L4 to here in Joburg!
NextGenRed


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:55:38
Why the hell did you sign fat charile :D one of the worst players i have ever seen at liverpool


Oh plz. Did u not watch games during Houllier's reign?


No not even a liverpool fan but he offers absolutely nothing he's meant to be good at corners and set pieces but they rarely beat the first man, hes absolutely horrible defensively and so slow he's low end premiership at best. blackpool was his level


Have to agree with the fact adam struggles constantly to beat the first man wit corner kicks and set pieces have glad im not the only one to notice.


Adam is useless,he looks knackerd as soon he walks out the tunnel.shelvey should be on the team sheet before him.


Shelvey should be on the team sheet before him.

i should be on the team sheet before fatty


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:50:18
Kenny wait for get sack rather then resign.

rock.


U wait for brain then start to type nicely.

Chuck Norris


Why would that happen, can i ask you what did you think went wrong last night, we seem to play well.


Tired of playing well and losing


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:47:18
I hear lots of players being slagged off on here every week, with that in mind would anyone on this site take these poor performers out and play some of the promising youngsters for rest of the season or stick with how things are ? I personally can't decide myself just think its an interesting debate. Redchris


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:41:28
Went to the match last night and I'm afraid it was business as usual as we continue to dominate for long periods of games and yet come out of these games without 3 points.

It's been the story of our season, Suarez for all his brilliance needs to start doing the simple things like putting the ball in the net. Fantastic breath taking and superb one minute and the next minute so disappointing infront of goal. Some say he's trying too hard and he likes to walk the ball in instead of just hitting the back of the net.

I personally feel that the reason he (Suarez) is trying too hard is because he has no confidence in the other strikers around him. Kuyt as good as he is certainly is not a prolific striker Bellamy is the same but injurys have crept up on him, and as for Carroll well words fail me.

I will go on record now by saying Carroll will go down in our history as one of the biggest panic buy flops ever, he lacks a first second and even third touch, hes easily brushed aside by opposing defenders, he spends half the time falling down and the other half slagging off the poor service. The club continue to back Carroll in public but behind closed doors they must be seething and embarrassed.

Suarez has publicly come out and said that he loves the club and intends on staying beyond his current contract, if we are to back him then the club must invest in another 2 strikers of the same calibre as Suarez or we will continue to fall flat in games against clubs who we should be hammering.

I don't understand all my fellow reds who continue to believe one day Carroll will come good am sorry to say this but he won't and never will, it's not his fault he's just not up to the grade. I always try and support the players but Carroll is a disaster who we cannot continue with if we are to challenge for the top 4 next season. It's taxi time for Carroll

Curled1


Couldn't agree more regarding Carroll curlred1, although recently he has been putting in a shift, helping out in defence etc., however he was bought as a £35 mill striker and as you have identified, players with a better first, second and third touch can be seen around the country on a Sunday morning. Whoever scouted him needs roasting.

Ozone


100% agree with Suarez not having faith in those around him.

Ash


Good point..
I think when Suarez came off last night, and they saw Carroll come on. QPR thought he cant do us as much harm as Suarez so pushed forward in the knowledge that there wouldnt be such a goal threat.

Phooey


Suarez can't do both. Someone else needs to score, he is not maradona


The problem, Ozone, is that fans like you still refer to Carroll as a 35m striker. We know how much he cost but the price tag is irrelevant. He's a striker who will hopefully deliver 35m worth of product over 10 years but he's not there to produce 35m worth of talent in a game or a season. He's a decent striker who on his day can be deadly and clinical. Look at him as a 3.5m striker for the next 10 years and you might find he's an over-achiever and that you're suddenly a SUPPORTER.

cozinoz


What a bizarre definition of supporter - divide a player's transfer fee by ten! This is a joke, right?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:35:06
i dont want to mention luck too much but when looking at things , its unbelivable to think that arsenal are in 3rd with 55 points and we are sitting in 7th on 42

for example recent results :

arsenal -

vs spurs ( 2-0 down , spurs should of won , arsenal go on to win 5-2 ) gain 3 points

vs sunderland away ( henry gets last minute winner , arsenal gain another 2 points )

vs us at anfield ( we dominated the game and should of won comfortably ) we get no points arsenal get 3 points

vs newcastle ( 95th mintue winner from thomas vermalen gives arsenal yet another 2 points )

vs everton ( last night , everton disallowed a goal that should of stood arsenal should of only got a point but got 3 )

and the games we should of won and got extra points in ( arsenal at home , qpr last night , stoke at home , blackburn at home , wigan away , norwich at home ) the list goes on

football is a crazy game , things could have been so so different this season.


I agree with u mate. but we surrendered a two goal lead against qpr (who are bottom of the table). i can't remember the last time in which we gave a two goal lead. i feel sorry for all the liverpool supporters who watched this team's useless performances this season. its a joke because the fans have provided a lot of support to the team and expect them to beat teams such as qpr etc. but instead we lose matches embarrassingly. if we won the match last night then we would all talk about coates's great goal. but instead we all are talking about the manager and players. there has to be a clear out this summer and kenny must go in my opinion. but the only problem is who will take over as manager?.


Now u clutching at straws mate.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:22:29
things that get me about kenny at the moment:
1.why does he not start with the same 11 every game and only change for injuries.we were doing well with carroll/suarez and no adam but he then brings in adam and drops carroll.confused.com.

2.timing of subsitutions baffle me at times and taking the wrong people off.

3.playing henderson rm.we all know for england he plays well cm so why not play him there and move gerrard to the right.also play kuyt uptop not rm he cant play there.he should be our poacher.

4.sticking with reina.he has been at fault for many a goal of late.not even attempting saves or putting his body on the line.drop him for doni.

apart from the above iam happy with this season as we are rebuilding and already have a cup and europe.we are dominating nearly every team and add a right mid with pace and a finisher and we are there.DORSET RED


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:19:27
Hi fellow Reds,

I will admit I was one of the first to come on here & show my disgust at last nights performance. In all honesty it was just the last 15 minutes......besides that we played well.

I was in complete shock, when QPR scored their first the writing was on the cards & we did not heed the warning. It was a frustrating night and one we need to get over quickly. However well done to QPR who didnt stop, we could do with some of their belief!

Now I never have nor never will attack KK. The football we have been playing is leaps & bounds better than it has been in recent years. We havent played this well since we ended 2nd in 2008/09. We are playing one & two touch football & its great to see. Yes we havent had the end product and as we all know we need another striker......which we will get.

To all the haters, what good would it do to sack Kenny now? Who would we get in? Would this not distrupt the harmony of the club, dont forget we still have a semi final to play at Wembley and are still fighting to finish as high as possible......its most probably 6th now but we will be playing European football again, not the big one but its better than what we had this season.

We will get there and all this negativity isnt helping anyone. Yes we are frustrated but hey we have been since we last the wont the league.

I said it before, we win together & lose together

YNWA


Well said.

Ozone


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:17:45
I hate to say this and i know I'm probably gonna get a bit of stick for it but here goes... i love the guy i really do he's probably been our best keeper bar Clemence, but this season we have drawn/lost games to goals that Pepe really should be stopping. admittedly he has made some good saves but i can't help thinking his reactions aren't as sharp as they once were!

some of the saves that other keepers have been pulling out against us have been immense, sometimes up to 10 in a game, and if you look at the number shots on target from other teams against Reina to the amount of goals they score.... the numbers aren't that different, i reckon this season 1-3 have gone in, our defence has been awesome and i'd hate to see where we'd be if agger had been injured all season.

its all well and good pointing the finger at KK, adam, downing and hendo.... but would we be where we are if Joe hart (on currently form) was between the sticks.

i'm not trying the rock the boat just highlight that its not just the outfield players responsible for winning games

Danski


I'll say it again. Sell Reina and buy Vorm from Swansea.


Vorm has had offers from mancester, and tottnham. He reject the chance to mOve, he is not availible


If a goalkeeper doesn't have confidence in the players in front of him, it doesn't matter who is in goal.

Just watch the body language between Reina and Carragher sometime, and you will realize what Reina thinks of him.

We need Agger and Lucas back ASAP.


Carra needs to hang up his boots


 

 

22 Mar 2012 18:00:25
lets be realistic here guys although everybody loves kenny and hes mr liverpool. personally i feel he has been out of the game too long and he struggles to make big decisions in games were we need them most.last night was an embarrasing night to be a reds fan . saurez was running the show and he takes him off to bring on a big yard dog who wouldnt get in most pub teams . henderson will never be a liverpool player while hes got a whole in his ar@e.the best thing to happen last night was adam getting a knock cos he went off.think kenny got a dud in him. our squad is nowhere near as strong as maybee seven teams in prem and when you look at the bench for a bit of inspiration theres nothing there.55m on carroll and henderson but we wud be lucky to get 10 m back . i think its gone a bit to stale with kennys return now.and maybee he could win the fa cup but that and carling cup would just paper over cracks. lets be honest at best were a mid table team and that hurts to say but the top teams are laughing at us and we need to act fast ,so maybee offer kenny a position upstairs ang get a decent manager in and the right players,because at moment we cant attract big players but hey it could be worse we could support everton


I could not agree more ok we had a day at wembley for some top trophy but did nt b ham city win it last yr. We are a shambles kk needs to move upstair s and we need to get rid of some of players we paid big money for but are not lpool standard, Gerard must be sick 12 yrs of this Come on reds you are are better than 7th


Suarez had nothing left...Blame the players their the idiots that allowed 3 goals in 20 minutes

MJ


If you were at the game you would have realised that Suarez was knackered. He ran his socks off. At 2 nil with fifteen minutes to go, it didn't seem like a bad decision.

Ozone


Im pretty sure he will be sacked at the end of the season because we are closer to the bottom then the top


Don't we need a more mobile player to help luis. he runs and runs by himself. man utd always invest in wingers, they love to get wingers in. Isn't time we did the same.

kenny is great


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:49:56
Gentlemen i'm here to put and end to the dreamers, we are not a premier league title team and this summer will give us a glimpse of the future, we spent big to replace torres last summer.
the scenarios.

act 1 = we splash 100 million out on 3 players cavani, lavezzi, players in that region
(were gona go for the league and try to get in contention)

act 2 = we look to players like hoillet, zaha, moses young players who develop into players who are listed above over years to come WE BUILD A PREMIER LEAGUE WINNING TEAM from the ground up as man u did many years ago.
(were happy with europa football and hope the experience in the team will help the younger additions get us to champs league)

for me theres no obvious answer to keep up with man u, man city, were gona have to spend big for instant improvments players like downing, adam, carroll were a waste 20 million doesn't guarantee you a great player anymore.


Is this something like Sister Act

Liverpool are gonna get back in the "habit" of winning


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:45:57
Surely the players who get paid 10's of thousands of pounds each week should be blamed for giving QPR the space to score 3 goals in 20 minutes

MJ


Less than 13 minutes actually


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:45:21
Is it just me or is Suarez a terrible finisher?
I've seen Liverpool create so many chances, and he has missed some sitters. Not saying he is bad, is it just luck?

And I am so worried about our corner strategy. We need about 15 corners to have a shot on goal, and every time the opposition gets a corner I get really worried

John


Yeah awful finishes most overrated player in the premiership for me


Overrated because he has created tons of chances? It is not his job to score goals as well as create them. It is the target man's job to score and the others job to create.


Given the figure in pools goals for column I guess that's a failure on both counts then


His conversion rate does leave a lot to be desired, but he creates the majority of his opportunities from nothing. I'd go as far as to say he creates more of his own chances than any other player in the league, except possibly an in-form Carlos Tevez.


Overrated because he has created tons of chances?

no but judging by the way liverpool fans go on about him he should be creating and scoring while rescuing a kitten from a tree with his hands tied behind his back


He has a career rate of 0.55 g.p.m which equates to 21 goals in a full season. Every striker has a lesser season and having watched him for several seasons now I am sure that he will score somewhere in that region next season.
Dutchmal


Did you see the goal Suarez scored against Stoke....abysmal

cozinoz


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:28:20
while everyone is entitled to their own view of things , i find it strange that the posters who come on and slate kk , dont leave a name most of the time , if we end up with 2 cups this season , and we get a couple of better players in the summer , and our luck changes in front of goal , i mean -come on something like 26 shots have hit the bar or posts , we could be in a lot better shape than people think , stick with kenny , throught the rough and the good times...............lfc


A couple of better players in the summer? kenny wasted over 100m last summner, no chance of more money til we unload henderson, adam, downing, carroll, coates and suarez


If ok having 26 shots hitting the bar and post. But that mean f-all if you dont win games. I would rather have 1 shot 1 goal and win a game.
Under raffa people say we played boring football, but we could win games. We would have never give 3 goals away like last night.
I think KK is still in the job because of who he is. If we still had woy he would have been long gone.
Rushdentillide


Well said, you didnt leave your name either!
KTfaith


Rushdentillidie, that is my name (on here anyway lol)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:17:51
i told you all kenny wasnt right but no, ye wouldnt listen. ye came out with the usual mantra and where are we now.. well were a good cup side. hope yer all well happy with the progress this season.. kev


To be fair I'm happy with the progress and won't be too upset if there's no CL, because this side we have are not ready to face Europe's elite and maybe the Europa League would be better to help with this work in progress. I know financially you earn more from the CL but if we went out in the qualifiers I for one wouldn't be impressed because we ARE NOT READY. The Carling Cup for me is a major bonus and I'm glad we've won it, slate me for my comments if you like I don't care. LFC For Life YNWA.
KernowRed


Nobody likes a smart-ass kev.

Chuck Norris


Yea course Kevin your right, so sorry, we are all so sorry, get over it. Go support everton
Gaz b


Have to laugh at some people on here seriously... I think Dalglish has done a great job so far all around, won us our FIRST piece of silverware for 6 years and could possibly get us an FA Cup aswell! 7th in the league isn't really a reflection on how our season has gone, we've improved a hell of alot this season, we may be just missing a prolific goal-scorer but we have created plenty of chances in games to win them... Last night the 3 goals QPR scored came from mistakes from Henderson, Skrtel and Enrique, in 15 minutes of the game... For 75 minutes we pretty much dominated the game, 7 corners in the first 8 minutes, that's unheard of, 11 corners in 20 minutes, the problem is not Dalglish, the problem is simply we're not scoring enough goals. I'm not giving up on Dalglish, he is bringing the club forward, he brought in players to do a job and they haven't reached their potential YET, look at us as a work in progress rather than world beaters, nobody expected top 4 or winning a cup this season lets be honest so why all of a sudden are we turning against the club?? Maybe people that post here should look at themselves and ask do they really support this club instead of just posting their frustrations after we lose a game, where do these people be when we win?

Rocky


Man Utd were a good cup side while they were building in the 80's.

Ozone


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:16:52
Just wondering if one of the EDS or anyone else can help me. I'm looking to get tickets for the FA cup semi final does anyone know how much an adult and child ticket would cost or does it just depend on the team and the occasion?

Mat lfc


An arm and a leg mate.


Thought as much cheers

Mat lfc


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:15:06
after last nights game i am confused we played well then fell apart. we have played well in most games this season but have not got the results we've deserved. i read posts on here every night. i didn't agree with most off the signing's that we made in the summer but then i'm just a fan not a manager. my point is i have disagreed with most of the fans that keep turning on the players or the manager after bad results. as i don't want to go down that road myself but something needs to change. i am not saying this because we are 7th as i'm more upset about how many points we are behind. i'm really pleased we won a cup this season but i'm only really interested in the league. i'm sorry for the long post.
buddy's reds


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:14:01
Going 2 the game on saturday not been in a while have they stoped issuing tickets now as its just an email connformation u take that and your fan card anybody shed any light on this? King kenny


Your fan card will be activated and they'll send you a text the day before the game confirming your seat number.

Ozone


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:05:59
Last night was a nightmare lets be honest but I still believe wholesale changes are not the answer, rather some fine tuning:

A goal poacher, a creative midfielder and a real right winger with some pace! Subtle changes not squad overhaul. We overhauled this season hence the, shall we say, Indifferentť performances. Mass changes again will produce the same inconsistency unless we have plans to buy Barcelona.

Be patient and try to see the bigger picture, we're laying the foundations and with the right 2-3 signings in the right places I really do see us being right back up there. A year from now and we are still complaining about the same performances then of course, serious questions need to be asked about the management etc but I for one am not panicking just yet.

PS the last 20 minutes last night was nothing to do with what I just said “ it was just downright unprofessional schoolboy stuff and must never be repeated.

Thanks guys,

Davey


But with Dalglish and Comolli in charge we won't get the right signings!


Comolli is in charge of the foreign signings (coates,suarez, etc) kenny in charge of british so comolli is not the problem {Ed002's Note - It does not work like that at all.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 17:05:43
eds after ajax 's youth team destroyed are youth team last week do you think any of them are even good enough to come up to the first team and do we have any intrest in that fisker from ajax? {Ed002's Note - It would be an entirely separate group of people looking at the 17 year old market and we get very little news on it - sorry.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 16:47:43
Does anyone think getting rid of Kenny will do the team good?? Imagine being a Liverpool player and being told

"oh because you been under par this season in the league you've gotten the greatest living legend Liverpool has fired"

how is that good for morale, personally I blame the fact that the entire team was scrapped and re-designed in summer for the bad performances but it needed to be done. Also I would like Kenny to pick a team and stick with it next season.

Also can people calm down about the youth team, there's are reason its called the "youth" team and that's because there young, put Suso against Cattermole and Cattermole will win every time because he knows all the rules in the book (mostly dirty).

Besides who would replace him?? Rafa? we've gone down that road before, getting back with your ex always goes badly as you remember why you broke up. look at Wolves sacking McCarthy did nothing but make things worse.

I'm sorry unless we want to end up like Chelsea which we don't have the money for, we must stick with Kenny for another year. Besides after everything he has done the expression he has shown the tragedy he has gone through surely the least we can offer is another year. -McMenemy


If we win the FA cup i will call that a good season.4th would be great but its gone 2 cups aint a bad season but next season with one or two additions we need to be a lot more consistent in the league.

Red raj


Kenny's reward for all he has done for the club is to be revered by the fans. That is worth more than being manager for another year.

If we struggle again next season it will only tarnish his legacy.

That's why a Bobby Charlton, for instance, doesn't demand that he manage United; he knows he can do more good in another capacity.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 16:21:44
Ok for the sake of argument kenny is the right man for the job and all our signings have been good How much money does it take to earn a top 4 spot?


If your man city about £500 million lol


Another 130 mill., 2 strikers, llorinte and soldado, wingers with pace and a right back. kev..


Llorente rejected the chance to come, stop dreaming kev..


 

 

22 Mar 2012 16:12:08
If we had any other manager he would be down the road by now never thought it was a good idea in the first place now the owners need to make there first big decision no one on here can argue or say we are a better side this year than we were last year all the hype around the new signings what a lot of bull except suarez and enrique we need more foreign flair all this buy british and for the future its not what we need right now worrying times ahead and lets face it every lfc supporter would swap league cup for cl anyday of the week get rid of kenny now pay the money for a long term replacement give him until the end of the season to access current squad and youth then he can adjust things as he sees fit because with daglish clarke and kean we are on the slippery slope to no town


And breathe.....


What an idiot,i would take silverware any day of the week.who remembers 4th place?all your thinking about is the cash it generates,give me glory any day of the week.kennys style of play is coming through it all takes time.i for one hope he stays for the forseable.Jack A


What about getting rid of fans like you?

LiverBird


Most people would take 4th over teh carling cup i would think.

4th = CL
CL = Top players

simples


Let Kenny build his team. We are not Man City who can buy success, and I'm glad we aren't like them. Kenny is building something that is sustainable. Give the great man a break.

Chuck Norris


CL Top players when you don't have the money to buy them


 

 

22 Mar 2012 16:07:05
If you are one of those calling for Kenny to be sacked - can I check with you how much time you are willing to give to the new manager to deliver the success (qualifying for the CL) that you crave? Singred


16 months. end of next season.


Kenny can stay as long as he wants. He might have made a few mistakes but a man that loves the club as much as him will do whatever he has to to make LFC a force again. It would be a sad day if we got kn#b like Mourinho who breezed in, brought a quick title with millions spent (which would make most of u lot happy) then ran away for his next big payday and feeling nothing for our club. Common people! Wake up and get behind him.


 

 

22 mar 2012 16:00:17
in king kenny we trust!!

wakakakakaka


Here here!

And Andy, Charlie, Jordan and Stu will shove it down all the doubters throats! I support them til they leave the club. No other way.


Whats wakakaka mean?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:54:31
Hey reds fans...
Do you boys still think that dalglesh will lead you to a title win or champions league football?
The rest of th prem think not... how long before you lot actually smell the liver beans... lol pun intended!
I see that some of your fans on here have already started to question whether KK is the right man for the job? Me thinks not and I could have told you that before he came back.

Maybe you should go for someone like Klinsman? just a thought.

Oh what happened last night???
lol


IQ - 0.2?

KT!


Didn't the mancs lost by the same margin to Blackburn at their own backyard? What happened that day? lol Singred


Not all LFC fans are deliduded I for one didn't want daglish back and I was not excited by his sighnings.

Not a blinkerd fan.


Difference for the Mancs is it hasn't prevented them being top of the league!


I think KT is being kind ive never seen Dalglish written like that

Red raj


Went on a winning run to sit top of the league - not prone to the multiple false dawns u lot experience


How is the digging up of best getting on?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:46:40
errm ................
I was hesitating about writing anything on this topic. I thought about it after I read the postings over the last few hours and thought I had to say something. It's not my "TIOKK" meanderings - it's a statement of my belief.
It's no more important than anyone else's views.
It's no more erudite than other postings.
It's not to be taken more seriously than any other postings.
These are my comments and my views.

I am a fan of more than 38 years.
I am a devoted Liverpool FC supporter.
My favourite LFC players are Kenny Dalglish, Glen Hysen, John Barnes and three or four others. Different styles, some good, some not so, but players I enjoyed watching.
My other heroes are Steffen Effenberg - never has arrogance been so poetic and elegantly displayed with skill and snarl; Johan Cruyff - inventor and magician and a Dutch version of what Messi became.

The past few weeks have put real doubts in my mind about KK and that's all I am talking about in this posting. There are so many posters lambasting anyone who dares say KK may be past his sell by date or needs replacing, or that KK has lost a plot or isn't as good as he used to be. This is the ageing process guys! This is reality and this is what happens eventually to all great figures.

Sir Axel Forgerson will drift and may 'lose the plot' before he eases out of the role at MUFC and he has been criticised over the past few years even by the people who always call themselves 'diehard' fans. It is happening to some extent with KK. I wrote recently that Fenway Sports Group (who own the club and it is their money rescuing us from oblivion) will look at the bottom line when it comes to decisions. The fact we adore KK will not overly sway their judgement if we finish outside Europe. They want profits and who can blame them?

KK's buys have been very hit and miss (more miss with some) and his tactics have left something on the shelf at times. But then again, this is my view and one from just one of a thousand people who always know better than the manager. The difference is maybe that I DO think KK can be criticised and I DO believe he can be replaced.

The walls of Anfiedl won't collpase and the fans won't stream away in hordes. We will moan and shake our heads, complain and ask why the owners think they know more than us - 'the real fans,' 'the diehards,' the 'proper fans,' the 'true supporters' and any other dismissive phrase you can come up with. It's all tosh. If FSG told us to like it or lump it and clear off if we didn't, then the club would continue and we'd just miss out on the action. You're nothing special out there.

I quite confidently expect a 98% blast of scorn from the 'real fans' and an accusation of being a 'plastic supporter' or 'doom mongerer.' In yoofspeak I will say - "whatever." There's a poster on here saying "everything will come good." What is the rate of VAT on his planet and do they play Jethro Tull music in the lifts?

Steve Parker


No one's above criticism SP.
But, more than that, it's about respect in my eyes.
Kenny has a 3 year contract.
Has the man not done enough for Liverpool FC in his life to not earn the respect from fans to see that through ?
Yes, I agree with you, the owners will look at it more objectively.
But that is the point. We are supporters. My family, parts of my life, are wrapped up with LFC. I am unashamedly not objective about it.
And I fail to see how any fan cannot be of a similar mind.
There's posters on here with JFT96, YNWA and similar sentiments.
Are those people not thinking when they write some of the disrespectful crud they post ?
Banter, criticism, yes fine.
But show some f'in respect for the man. The man who attended fan's funerals, scored a winning goal in a European Cup Final, led us to the Double etc etc etc.
The owners will talk with him, and I am sure Kenny himself will stand down as and when he feels the time is right for the club.
But, until then, the man has a 3 year contract. So stop with all this sh1te will you ?
The Real KB


So what do you think of kenny? u didnt really say anything m8


There you go again - not one tad of criticism for KK. You should read what's written in its entireity and understand the words!
NO mention of hwta he stands for in a negative way.
Total praise for him.
Statements of how much we love him.
BUT we can still ask questions and debate.
Not once - NOT ONCE - did I suggest he stood down and it is shocking you read that into my precise words.
You tell me to stop posting s**te?
You sound like the school bully - the only thing that matters is what you say and you won't allow anyone else to comment.


And I fail to see how any fan cannot be of a similar mind.

Exactly. U can't see and expect people to think like you.


No one says KD is immune to criticism. He is the gaffer, he's responsible for performances on the pitch. But to call for his sacking is ridiculous, when he has less than 1 full season to work with the new players he bought last summer. Singred


SP,
You have misunderstood my post I am afraid.
I do not have a problem with your particular sentiments. I was talking of people who are blithely saying 'sack Kenny' as if he's nothing.
The final line of my post was directed at them. The word 'you' means them. Not yourself, so I am sorry for that impression (if you want Kenny sacked though, just come out and say it).
This type of banter I have no problem with.
But the Sack Kenny Merchants make me laugh. Do they go to any games at all ?
The fans were chanting for Kenny 4 or 5 times last night. Where's all the dissenting voices then ?
And, no, I honestly cannot see how fans could see any different to me on this.
To not give Kenny respect ?
I'm lost with that one.
The Real KB


But to call for his sacking is ridiculous

don't see SP calling for him to be sacked mate. were u get that bit from?


"And, no, I honestly cannot see how fans could see any different to me on this. "

My dear old dad would say such things to me. His word in his house was gospel - little wonder he was aghast when I questioned his mantras. You have to respect (a word you used) that people will think differently to you. I would like to say "I honestly cannot see how any fans would not think Cruyff was the greatest player of all time." They will not all agree. This is what makes this world go round.

SP


Above - read my second post, my ire was directed at the sack kenny merchants not SP.
And SP, tell me then, what part of my post of 'failing to respect Kenny' would you or any Liverpool fan personally disagree with ?
If you've got an opinion, just come out and say it. At least them whoppers on Talksport you're always droning on about have an opinion.
The Real KB


"And SP, tell me then, what part of my post of 'failing to respect Kenny' would you or any Liverpool fan personally disagree with ?
If you've got an opinion, just come out and say it. At least them whoppers on Talksport you're always droning on about have an opinion.
The Real KB"


Droning is not what I do but may be seen as that by you if you can't read what I say and understand it, or feel that repetition is unpalatable to you.
I have never respected anyone unless there was a compelling reason to do so. It is one of the reasons I despise religion and all associated with it as they demand respect. Just for interest - religion is like Herpes and should be kept to yourself.

Back to KK - I respect him as a great player and a man of dignity. I've said that more than once; he is a man I admire and would love to meet; KK is a man I thank for his efforts (highly paid as he was and deserved) for the club. Yet I don't remember in this unofficial 'contract of love' reading that I had no right to question anything he does.
He could lead us back to glory (although I doubt he will be given the time) by the owners. I feel there will be a parting of the waves. That does NOT mean he should go. It means I stop for a second and think, "Mmmm, maybe it's all too much for the man ....?"

Finally - when I read the posters saying we should trust in KK and let him get on with it, I ask, then why not do the same with our politicians or your local priest?

SP


Get a room
Ultra red


SP When I was a kid our local priest stole a 10 bob note off our mantle piece and just recently our local MP was caught fiddling his expenses. So I say in "KK we trust!" is that ok with you?
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:42:21
To be honest the signing im unhappy about is henderson he hasnt played well at all and has been expensive, Enrique suarez downing (from the second half of the season) and carroll (minus the cost) have all been good signings if adam played a little better KK would be getting praised for his signings and lets face every manager weve ever had has made some bad siginings degen, diao joe cole anyone?


Henderson is still very young and has spend the majority of his playing time out on the right which isnt his natural position. When he has played central he has slotted some good through balls and crosses gaining him a few assists. So i think it is very harsh the way people are jumping down his throat. Give the kid a chance in his correct position fist before you judge him!

Valley Red


Valley Red,

You are spot on mate.

LiverBird


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:35:55
I think we would have been saying this would have been a fantastic season if lucas and suarez hadnt been injured/banned Hard to compete with your two best players out for signinficant amounts of time right?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:32:16
whatevea happened to mr yellow?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:32:00
Morale is high, Performances on the whole have been good wage bill will be acceptable when we get rid of aquaman and joe cole, squad is decent if lacking in a few areas we were happy with KK coming back and weve won a cup so apart we would like to be a few palces higher its a pretty good if expensive season right?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:31:46
I'm honestly becoming a bit bemused by some fans views,especially when they hype players up,and are afraid to see the facts. The truth whether you accept it or not, is we are not the football club we once was.Kenny needs time to get it right.He has already won one competition and we are close to a 2nd trophy.But we are miles away from the Premiership.I don't think the squad is good enough despite the outlay last summer I feel the centre midfield is our weak link despite the Midfielder's we have bought in and promoted.I really think the way Spearing is being over hyped is a joke.It's like the Carra brigade all over again.He as Heart and fight and he cares. Well so does Fat Eddie in the Kop.But they're not good enough.We need to buy better players. If we have to develop them,that's going to be a long process.Let's get behind Kenny and all the lads ,but don't hype them up Spearing will never be a top 4 player.Wow Ive just heard Mancini as switched his Summer Target from Martinez and he now wants Little Jay.You don't believe me. Exactly.Jays a average player and we are a average team.Yes it hurts ,but it's the truth.


I see the lucas trend all over again. see you in 3 years saying hes the best dm in the league.


It's not a spearing love in...
I just think at 22/23 his 2nd season with the first team, and people want him to be as good as Mascher!
ffs give the lad a chance he is only playing because lucas is injured.. would you sooner have Adam playing that position?

Phooey


Comparing Spearing to Lucas is ridiculous.

When he was Spearing's age he'd already been in the Brazil squad and was twice footballer of the year in Brazil.

That was always enough to suggest he had the talent too succeed.

Not slagging him off. Spearing is a decent player - but he'll never be as good as Lucas. He is a good third choice DM though.

We can't expect him to play half a season as first choice (as we are doing since Lucas' injury) - he's not good enough.

To be fair to him though, there are a lot of players I would criticise before Jay. He is limited, but at least tries to play the ball on the deck - and on occassion, he has had some excellent games, just not often enough....

in some games he was simply outclassed - or was simply abysmal.

But as Phooey said - he's better than Adam at playing the DM role - or Henderson - or even Gerrard (who would be the best other option but would be wasted there).

He signed a new contract this season - so get used to him being around, certainly if Kenny remains as boss.

A good 3rd choice to have there (DM) though, we'll need a good squad for the Europa league - so personally i'd keep him, but i'd move to sign 1 more player who can play there.

Not easy finding/signing a good quality player who will be happy to play second fiddle to Lucas though. Easier said than done.

What about Diame? especially if Wigan go down.

Very underrated player - I always remember him dominating Masch and Gerrard a couple years ago in a freakishly good performance... always kept an eye on him since - In a good side he could be quality.

Big, strong, quick, great attitude - good on the ball - he's actually pretty skillful if you watch him play. Vastly superior technically to Spearing. He is also tall - and good in the air.

(poor Spearing - if only he was a little taller...... it must really irritate him.)

Diame is only 24 too - a good age.

Wigan would have been buried long ago without him. Wouldn't cost the earth either.

Any other ideas?

M'Vila and the like won't be happy to be an understudy to anyone, whilst I can see Coady succeeding Spearing for that 3rd spot over the next 2 years.

Don't expect to see Jay at LFC for another decade, but he can be useful next season. If he performs/improves amazingly, then all the better.

I'm sure a lot of PL teams would like to have Jay. He's not good enough to be a starting top 4 player, but would be a good squad player for many sides.

Imo the likes of Newcastle would even like him as an option to play as backup to Tiote.

He'd make any of the other squads in lower sides too imo.

I'd honestly prefer him playing there than Mikel or Meireles at Chelsea who have played some games there for them (no wonder AVB was sacked!).

Before you get defensive ed002. I think they are both decent players, but not DM's.

The misuse of Mikel in particular is criminal.

He was so good when he was younger and playing in an attacking role. I thought AVB might encourage him, he's seemingly had his flair and invention coached out of him. Romeu would be a better option there (eh ed?).

I hope to see the real Mikel some day.

Any other (half realistic) ideas on a backup DM? What about N'Zonzi at Blackburn?

BJH YNWA. (First choice DM is sorted, save the big cash [if there is any!] for other areas. Lets hope Lucas comes back as good as when he left too. What a player he became.)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:27:04
I think the biggest annoyance is that with good owners were still the same boat lets face the biggest issue we had was getting the yanks out and reducing the debt and now that we have even with more money were in a very similar position regardless of performances and cups


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:22:43
Ok lets settle this Agree for kenny to be fired at the end of season and Disagree to give him another year

personally im on the fence both sides have good points


Being on both sides of the fence is not going to do your point much good!!
DM2012


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:21:20
The talk of getting rid of Dalglish is ridiculous. He hasn't had a full season in charge yet and we've won a cup. There has been progress and if you can't see it you're blind. Can some of you stop acting like spoilt brats. We've got a manager who is doing things the right way and who the players want to play for. Realistically who exactly would you want in charge?

Have more patience, it's going to take time, we'll get here. Luckily the owners have the same philosophy.


Fair point m8 but both sets of liverpool supporters Pro-Kenny and Pro-Fired have good points; lots of money has been spent were in 7th both positions where hodgson and rafa were sacked for and btw KK has had a season in charge


Not saying we should sack, promote, or in any way not have KK as the manager, but are you sure the "players want to play for him"? There was certainly no indication of that for the last 20 minutes of yesterday's game nor has this been apparent many, many games this season.

RDL


Owners dont generally listen to fans until the gate receipts get affected. (Like Hodgson)

One tremendous example of an owner who went against the unwritten rule this season is Steve Morgan.

Look at where Wolves are right now.

I dont know where would Liverpool be without Kenny today but it would be much better without WHINERS like you.

LiverBird


We used stats to sign our average players , what do the stats say about kk when we play teams near the bottom of the league or teams who have not won for weeks untill they play us we are very poor but we raise our game against big clubs work this out and you have the answer, kk and the players do not show
respect to lesser teams our players are big time charlies who do not deserve to be on the reds books.red mick tag


 

 

22 Mar 2012 15:11:08
Ed 001 spot on with the Shelvey and Reina comments.

I'm not gonna speak about Kenny or the team otherwise, that will sort itself out. We have no pressure no league wise so if they want to try a few things they can now. Shame we couldn't take advantage of the poor season Chelsea has had and been in a better position to take Spurs as well. But there's always next season.

Spriggo


Also Newcastle have had a good season and their presence has added to pressure at the top - also their spend is low and their position is high. And lets not talk about AC....


 

 

22 Mar 2012 14:59:11
We cant keep sacking managers , otherwise we'll end up like chelsea. Kenny is the manager for us, ok results not going our way, all you have to do is look at wenger, winning all around them now, a couple of months back their fans wanted rid of him because of games lost. some posted that a lot of fans that were born after a certain date (1990 i think)are the ones looking for his head on a plate.
KTfaith


I was born in 1993 and i sincerely hope the club keep Kenny, as do the majority of reds i know. please don't isolate the future fans of our club as the problem, its not fair.


Wenger didn't 'waste' 100 mil on mediocre players and the signings he did make have had less time than KKs to 'gel' - wenger's previous management success with arsenal bought him some breathing space - queen Kenny hasn't earned that with a league position this year looking worse than the last - on current form you're delegation fodder - if it were anyone else he'd be out the door - I hope he stays tho as I'm enjoying your season immensely lol


The year thing, i was commenting on a n earlier post regarding that issue, sorry bud!
KTfaith


End up like Chelsea? You mean in the champions league quarter final? Is that so bad?

Ash


Ash, thats about as far as Chelsea will get in the champions league
KTfaith


End up like Chelsea? When was the last time you won the league?

CT13


When was the last time you won the Champions League/European Cup? That's right - never, not once. #5times

Lee YNWA


Winning a league 18 times is better than winning it thrice.

Winning European Cup 5 times is better than not having done so at all

Ash ? CT 13?

You should worry abt the next Chelsea manager? Liverpool is the least of your worries.....

LiverBird


CT13, if we didnt win the league for the next 20 years yould still be nowhere near our achievements, and you,ll never win the CL!
Stu


Oh Liverbird, how blind you are. Liverpool will be the least of your worries too next season as Kenny wont be there, seeing as you seem to support the man not the club!

Ash


See Ash , you are still worried about Liverpool......

Go back to the archives and you can see whom we support.....Pity that we have got plenty of ur types here

LiverBird

LiverBird


Leave it Ash. All these kenny lovers r gonna be in for a rude shock when the man gets sacked by FSG. No more sentiments please.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 14:20:03
I think a lot of fans are now letting their heart rule there head, KK has done a fantastic job in stabilising things during the transitional period... He spent money in the summer focusing on British 'Talent'... Adam has been poor at best, Henderson not a right winger, Downing plays well 1 in 3 appearances and is only just finding his feet, and Carroll is not utilised or deployed in a formation or a style which suits his strengths....

Last night was the most infuriating game i have seen since Kenny took charge, yes we played good football at times but the heart, desire, and pride to close out the game was culpable...

I do know know the next step for KK as if we give him another 100 million to invest on more average players we will still be no closer to challenging for the title which is ultimately where we all want to be....

I am not advocating for Benitez to replace Kenny, but i would be interested to see what he he could do with the appropriate backing in contrast Rafa spent less than £100m on Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Mascherano, Alonso, Benayoun and Torres. He also took us a close as we have been in recent years only to miss out by a few points....

We now 28 points a drift yes we are now vying for the FA cup and have won the Carling cup but i want to see LFC challenging for the Premier League and Champions league and i don't us doing that under Kenny's stewardship....

I am not calling for his head but i feel we need to have some realism injected into what is ultimately a poor showing against our goals set at the beginning of the season...

Cheers JC


I was very angry after the result yesterday but when you sit down and think what Kenny has been doing this season then you will realize he is doing exactly the same thing as Rafa........

We were lucky in 2005 to win the UCL.....

Then in 2006, Rafa cleared a lot of players and started bringing in his own players....KENNY HAS DONE THE SAME...

If you notice our seasons in 2006 and 2007, our league form was erratic and inconsistent.....OUR LEAGUE FORM HAS BEEN SIMILAR THIS YEAR

The team that Rafa started assembling in 2006 was very young and hence the performances were not consistent....I even remember people accusing Xabi Alonso of being a very slow player (same as Adam now)....THE TEAM IS GOING THROUGH EXACTLY THE SAME THING THIS SEASON.....

I can see very very similar patterns developing....The ONLY DIFFERENCE between then and now is that Tottenham and Manchester City have very good squads now....

But I can say for sure two things

1. Tottenham will not have a season as good as this again(No other club will be daft enough to loan them a good striker again).

2. Chelsea will be worse next season due to the rebuilding of the squad and incoming of another new manager. A very definite reason why De Matteo has ruled himself OUT even b4 someone could rule him IN.

So we need not worry.... You can see that the club and Kenny, particularly, is relaxed about the situation... And they were half expecting that Liverpool wont finish in the top 4 this year....

We have played really well this season and have been unlucky with quite a few results...We do not need Hazards or Neymars to reach the next level....The players in the team will be more settled come the new year and will do even better...

The South American contingent will have a proper pre-season next year....Our new recruits like Henderson, Adam and Carroll will be more settled than they have been this season...

The promsing youth structure will be a year older and we have already seen Kelly and Spearing develop into very good squad players....This will give more confidence to the reserve team players.... Just look at Barcelona.....When one FLOWS in usually the others FLOOD in......

So we need to be very upbeat...yes disappointment is part of life like it was at Loftus Road yesterday.....But then I feel this is just the beginning of something special......

In Kenny We Trust

LiverBird


Fair point i honestly dont know if KK should be kept or fired its a toss up


I am not a Liverpool fan, but come in peace... The above post is a good post but didnt rafa waste a load of money on poor signings too and buy injured players? Liverpool have spent hundreds of millions of pounds over the past 10 years and still no league spot.

Also, I know you are all gonna shout shelvey, spearing etc- but how often do the young lads get a game? Liverpool used to pull some gems from their youth team, but this seems to have stopped.


Criticism of rafa is unfair, he made as much as he spent and the poor players were bought out of difficult circumstances. he made quality signings and would have made even more with the money available now.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:55:28
Hi ed 1 liked what you had to say about Pepe , I' have to agree , been saying for about 16 months he is not performing , and I would have to say not in top 6 Keepers in Premier league at the moment he is relying on past reputation

I also now think Kenny has to start playing a set 9 players and also pull out henderson before he loses all confidence and use Sheverly as he must be thinking if I'm not gonna play now when am i gonna play

Cheers

K.O.B {Ed001's Note - I would like to see Shelvey given a chance, Adam's form has dipped massively and he is trying too hard as a result which means everything is over thought, last thing you want in a team trying to play quick passing football. He is not getting it, playing it and moving into space, he is getting it, thinking about it, then playing it, then looking around to see if he should move forward or not. It needs to be natural, get into space to receive the ball, get the ball, move it on quickly, then move into space again. Henderson has yet to get going, some good signs, but not enough to deserve his place, currently. Shelvey, on the other hand, has shown some good signs, was given a chance on loan and had a stormer, then came back and has had to watch from the bench. Right now he deserves a chance. I am not sure what to do about Reina, if he is unhappy, sell, but it could just be confidence, in which case maybe a change of coach could help him.}


Is it possible that KD just don't rate Shelvey? Singred


Personally eds i think reina issue is the same as enrique, lack of competition has created complacency. Hes too much of an automatic choice, he needs to be reminded that his spot is earned through performance not reputation.

Side note ed- ive seen you comment that rafa gave us a high wage bill and silly contract clauses, wasnt that parry? Evidenced by harry kewells must play in finals clause

Nevada {Ed001's Note - but it was all done at Rafa's insistence, but yes Parry has to take a huge amount of the blame for it too. But no one is calling him a hero and shouting about how he should come back.}


Ed did you mean head coach or goalkeeping coach? {Ed001's Note - goalkeeping, or maybe psychiatrist would help, if that is what you meant by head coach!}


IMO most of reina's clean sheet came from our back 4.

Kaizer


Ed,

I disagree that Reina is complacent. He has Valdes, De Gea, Diego Lopez and 2-3 promising goalkeepers breathing down his neck. He will never be complacent.

People are really getting on the back of Reina, Enrique and Adam. I think all three have run out of steam.

Reina - Kenny plays him in every Cup game as he has made the Cups a priority this year. Hence he doesnt want to take any chance with Doni.

Enrique - He takes one touch too many some times but you see that he has not played in very few games. Again another case of Kenny not trusting Aurelio in Cup games.

Adam - His case is different. The injuries to Lucas/Gerrard has meant that he has had to play more often than what Kenny would like him to play. Looks like he has jaded with the pressure of responsibility and the need to be the creative spark in the middle with Hendo not contributing with that respect.

Plus I agree completely with your assessment of Adam above.....He is just not getting it......

LiverBird


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:49:00
team vs wigan

reina

flanagan
coates
skrtel
robinson

henderson
gerrard
spearing
downing

suarez
carroll

bench
doni,enirque,carragher,shelvey,kuyt,bellamy,suso


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:19:55
I have been a reader and poster on this site for quite a while now, over the past 3 years or so I have really enjoyed reading the posts from some of my fellow fans, they have been insightful, witty, unbiased and in some cases even well written. However these posters are definitely the minority on this site, the site itself has gone from strength to strength, remember when it was simply football-rumours? Now we can talk about anything from money saving techniques to computer game reviews. But with the growth of the site there has also been a massive growth in the amount of horrible, bitter, stupid fools posting on it. I always regarded Liverpool fans as some of the most cultured, knowledgeable fans in the world but now it seems there is a whole new generation of vile, pathetic morons supporting our great club. The abuse for Kenny Dalglish on here is actually making me feel sick, I can only hope that all these posters are kids, who were born after 1990, who just don't realise what he has done as a man, a player and a manager that has gone so far in making us the great club that we are today. I can forgive these fans if they are young because I remember when I was young, I thought I knew everything when in reality I knew nothing, but anyone criticising Dalglish, who seen him play, or lived through Hilborough should be ashamed of themselves. The man deserves the utmost respect and at the very least least time to do his job, there is no one I would rather seen lead us to glory than Kenny. Just because we are Liverpool does not give us the god given right to be winners, to win you have to work hard, look at the teams above us that are successful, it didn't happen for any of them over night so why would it be any different for us, it took Bill Shankly 4 years to win a title and he then went on to build a great team that will forever be remembered. Give Kenny and the team the time and the respect that they deserve and we will be where we want to be again, or else sack him and sell the players and start off at square 1 again, for me it's an easy choice? I trust in Kenny 100% The improvement in our performances this season is clear to see on the pitch if not on the league table and we already have silverware. With a couple of good editions and the in the summer I think we can be challenging next year.

Gman82


Nice post Gman82. I'm not saying that I have as much faith in Kenny as you do, but it would be a big risk to let him go. Saying that I think Kenny would acknowledge that his past as a succesful manager and player should not guarantee him special treatment, and that what is best for the club, is what should be done. The owners, I fear will be extremely dismayed by results like lastnight's and will, with their track record, take a poor view of the Kenny/Comolli signings.


Forgot to sign my post.

neekcub


Perfectly valid post and I would agree with most of it but why assume those who are against Kenny were born after 1990?

I remember Kenny's hayday seen him play at anfield many times but he is clearly now outside of his era and the game has moved on.

666


What a silly post. You give the impression nobody should criticise Kenny. I feel sick reading such drivel! If you want just praise and praise and praise for KK as we slip further down the Pl then that's OK. Just don't ask me or anyone else who has a question to shut up, put a blindfold on and say eveything in the garden's lovely!!!!


Couldn't have put it better myself. Nick.


Hi Gman82, I agree, there seems to be a lot of very negative postings, do these people have excessive time on their hands, maybe unemployed, and just bitter about everything.
Statements are often incoherent, and most are not prepared to leave a name or alias.
Reminds me of those people who 'deface' public and private property, then stand sniggering in the shadows, admiring their 'pointless destruction' of another persons property.
Simply put, if you don't have the b*lls to sign your name, or stand by your statements and convictions, then take a walk, and leave the debates and dialogue to those who do.
Food for thought.


I doubt the owners will be as sentimental as many fans, such as yourself.

They bowed to fan sentiment in appointing Kenny. They will not keep him on for the same reason.


We cant keep sacking managers , otherwise we'll end up like chelsea. Kenny is the manager for us, ok results not going our way, all you have to do is look at wenger, winning all around them now, a couple of months back their fans wanted rid of him because o games lost. some posted that a lot of fans that were born after a certain date (1990 i think)are the ones looking for his head on a plate.
KTfaith


Simply put, if you don't have the b*lls to sign your name, or stand by your statements and convictions, then take a walk, and leave the debates and dialogue to those who do.
Food for thought.

Unless your name is Food for thought then you've done what you're bitching about. If it is your name it's as silly as your views that eveything criticising the King is in bad taste. Smell the coffee even if it is being served five places above us in the Premier League!
Redrewards


Mate, 'redrewards' sounds like a loyalty program, do you earn points with your posts, silly really.
Its easier to be 'destructive than constructive' so if you feel this aggrieved by the presence of a legend like KK managing our club, then how will you feel if we had a mercenary at the helm.
Hang on, you would most likely complain about that as well.
If you can't be positive in life, then maybe life is your problem.
Support the team like I do, and be proud of its achievements!
Food for thought.


Just want to clear up 2 things, I didn't suggest that all the people criticising Kenny were born after 1990, I said I hoped they were because if you can remember Kenny back then and the things he did then you should have the patience with what is a legend of the club, I also am not saying that we shouldn't give his any criticisms at all, I'm sure if I looked back through my posts I have criticised him myself, he is the manager after all and it all comes back to him, but it's the calling for him to be sacked and saying he's not able for modern football and attacks on the man himself that annoy me, how can anyone build a team in such a short period of time, not even Mouriniho and £250m pound worth of signings with Madrid, not City not Chelsea not Arsenal, it doesn't happen, I never call for a manager to be sacked not Rafa or Roy or Kenny, not untill at least 3 or 4 years when they make the players and the team their own, Kenny has another 2 seasons left on his contract and I for one will be very upset if it is not honoured, our first set of American owners nearly destroyed this club, our new ones seem to be doing things right, Kenny was the biggest settling factor when they took over, our ship has just settled, how could sacking Kenny and provoking fans and senior players possibly be productive?

Gman82


Sorry- this is getting tedious. Anyone who criticizes is not a "Kenny hater", who should "push off and support City". Kenny is a legend. That doesnn't mean he has some divine right to manage.

Otherwise it football would be so simple. Just have Bobby Charlton manage United, have Cruyff manage Barca, have Maradona manage Napoli, have Van Basten manage Milan - and voila! Every club will do great!

Grow up.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:19:37
Ed001 what do you think is the reason of our current form ?
I am of the opinion it is due to continous changes to the team every game
reina
kelly skrtel coates enrique
Henderson Gerrard spearing Downing
carroll Suarez
I think this should be the team we should play for all the games remaining excluding injuries and suspensions.
As it would give continuity to the team and also most of the players will be hear next term.
The likes of Kuyt , Adam , Maxi , Bellamy should all be used from the bench
Also to the people who would say hendo is wasted on the right he can come inside and Let kelly bombard forward like spurs do with walker.
You are welcome for your opninions {Ed001's Note - I think it is partly down to the changes, but more down to having a group of players that have an ingrained mindset from previous managers that takes time to change. They need time to gel as a group, then you can change the team around, because all the players are used to each other's games. But mostly it is just because of a lack of confidence, partly due to our forwards being unable to get the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunately it takes time to get rid of that, hence why we folded last night, you could see the confidence drain out of the team when they scored, heads go down and work rate drops and we conceded again and again. The worrying thing is that we had our 3 captains, Gerrard, Carragher and Reina all on the pitch at the time, what did they do about it? Gerrard looked out on his feet to be fair, but he wasn't chasing back and putting pressure on the opposition defensively, Carragher went missing and Reina, well the real Pepe Reina went missing at the same time as his move to Arsenal collapsed a couple of years back, the present Reina is a shadow of the great keeper we had for years. But they should have been in the other player's faces, screaming at them if necessary, make them angry if need be, whatever it takes to get their heads back in the game. That never happened, if anything those 3 were amongst the biggest culprits for dropping their game. Though, like I said, I would excuse Gerrard on that front as he looked tired and is still returning to fitness.}


I agree with all of it especially about how the LEADERS went missing but still I fell if we play the team mentioned above for the remainder of the season (except a few changes when needed like agger , shelvey , bellamy But most of whom we expect to see here next season) and we may well finish the season on a HIGH (5th if all goes well) {Ed001's Note - for me Bellamy and Agger have to start when fit, they have been immense.}


I thin the manager has to take some of the blame. Tactically he got it wrong just like his signings.


Add to that the absence of Lucas, which has had a massive impact. In the 13 league games we had him this season we gained 23 points, which isn't spectacular, but at least at that rate we would now have 51 points and be within spitting distance of the Spuds. In the 16 league games after his injury we have gained a measly 19 points. Over the course of a full season that works out at 45 points, or just about enough to avoid relegation. -SH-


Reinas poor form has coincided with John Achterbergs appointment as goalkeeping coach. I can't remember the Spanish blokes name who left with Rafa, but Reina spoke very highly of him in his book.


Some of the mistakes that Reina has made this season are down to Reina!!

Trying to look for a scapegoat is not on. He's had a bad season thats it...

Lyndon


I agree ed and for me, after Gerrard's finished as our captain i want Lucas and Agger to be captain and vice-captain. Simply outstanding those two, and they're always shouldering responsibility. They never shirk a challenge and consistantly stand up when needed. Ed how close was Reina to moving to arsenal and why did the deal collapse?
Cheers
KiwiRed {Ed001's Note - it was pretty much all agreed, the only thing to be done was to iron out the final details, but Arsenal messed him about and in the end they failed to come to an agreement. But the fee was agreed and he was very interested in the move, Wenger was desperate to make it happen and had moved heaven and earth to get to speak to him. At the time, we simply couldn't refuse the offer made, it was over 20m. According to someone on the Arsenal end of it, the issue was down to Arsenal's failings, almost like they didn't want him to agree despite Wenger's desperation to get him.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:15:02
I posted earlier, but reading it back It didn't quite make the point I intended. So i'll try a different tact.

Do the people who want KK to step aside also want Luis Suarez to be sold in the summer. The reason I ask, is for me, Luis Suarez' time at LFC so far is the exact personification of KK's 2nd spell in charge. Suarez on times for LFC has been sublime, hes been unplayable. His football has drawn praise from all angles, But, and its a big but, he has only scored 6 league goals. He has been brillaint all over the park but infront of goal its just not happening for him (Liverpools season in general). Holt, Fletcher and Graham have all scored more league goals than LS, but would anyone swap Luis for any of the afore mentioned players. I don't think so, because I think as a group we believe that sooner rather than later something is gonna click for Suarez and the goals will flow. So why can't we apply the same logic to Kenny? His team has out played all the big guns, we've played so lovely attacking, free flowing football, but for some reason we can't score. Lets give Kenny the same support and belief we give to Luis week-in week-out.

Tommy Walsh


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:01:37
I watched the game back on Match Choice, I don't understand why we changed our system in the 2nd half. Having dominated the 1st half with our central 3 outnumbering QPR's 2, we changed to a 4-4-2.

Henderson could have played in his natural central midfield position after replacing Adam as part of the 4-3-3 instead of playing out wide. Spearing also benefits from a midfield 3, it allows him to concentrate on harrying, and protecting the back 4 putting less pressure on his passing game which is limited.

In the second half we weren't as dominant as the 1st, and our goal came from a set piece not open play. The 2nd goal coming from individual brilliance from Luis, and a couple of bits of decent follow up play.

That said, we got a 2 goal lead, and we then went and gave it away through individual errors. Hendo must have had a call from Carra to leave the ball otherwise I cannot understand why he decided to duck. Skrtel should have done better for goals 2 and 3, and Jose needs to sort out his defensive positioning.

I really think Pepe and Jose's standards have slackened as a result of no obvious competition. Jose's 1st 3 months were brilliant, his last 3/4 months have been pretty poor in comparison. Pepe has made mistakes this season that are so uncharacteristic of him, which makes me think should Doni get a run out?

Something needs to change, KK needs to read the riot act, good cup runs do not excuse poor league form.

RedSG


When we changed to 442 we scored twice (it helps having players in the opposition area!) when we changed back from 442 - we invited them onto us - looked absolutely clueless as to what we were doing - and capitulated.

Spot on about the rest. But this failure was of Kenny's design however. Don't be blind to that.

He said himself - he doesn't have any answers - after all, the players have been fantastic all season too, every one of them.

His interviews are painful.

BJH YNWA


 

 

22 Mar 2012 13:00:10
Hi Eds apoligises if this has been asked but i can't find it.

I've been hearing alot of rumours that Kenny won't be hear at the start of next season. Some say he will stand down, some say he will get the boot.

Do you know if there is any truth in these whatsoever? {Ed001's Note - no decision has been made. So anyone saying otherwise is wrong. The situation will always be fluid with regards to a manager's position.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:53:38
Ed,

Who do you think will call the shots on transfers in the summer? I can't see the owners giving KK and more say on players (might be unpopular to say so but the flops in Carroll, Henderson, Adam & Downing will surely cost him his job come end of the season). So do you leave all down to a new manager or do you think DC will run the show.

MW {Ed001's Note - the manager will always have final say on transfers, Comolli is not there to make the final decisions, just to find the best possible alternatives for the manager to choose from.}


 

 

22 mar 2012 12:39:38
1st team for next season using existing players

reina
kelly-skrtel-agger-enrique
johnson(g)-gerrard-lucas-downing
suarez-carroll

bench
doni-shelvey-coates-bellamy-sterling-suso-eccleston

time to stop telling us about thier potential. make them show us.

as for the rest who are currently first teamers, inform them that they are free to seek moves away and if the owners give any money for new players go for soldado and milner. in pre-season stop messing about with fringe players go with the team that will be played on the first day of the new season (euro 2012 permitting) and make sure we are off to a blistering start to the new season. for the rest of this season, keep the faith, plenty more to happen before the fat lady sings.come on the redman, ynwa, jft96.


You'll need a new manager if you wanna play like that m8.

btw - agree 100% with your starting XI.

Bench* -

Gulacsi, Flanagan, Coates, Henderson, Sterling, Shelvey, Bellamy.

*Assuming Doni will be gone. Adam would not make the bench on current form - nor would Kuyt (if still here) as Bellamy would get the nod as sub striker - if Suarez were injured we'd have no pace upfront with Kuyt on the bench.

Looks good, but you'll need a new manager - one that believes in 442 - It's the only system that suits our personnel.

Martin O Neill? Give him a shot at a really big club?

I would not object - although his record on long term planning is questionable at a club like Villa - at LFC he would likely be afforded more transfer funds and be under less pressure to sell his best players.

I'd give it a go. He isn't afraid to give youth a chance, whilst I feel a continental-style manager wouldn't know what to do with all our British players -

Martin would play to our strengths. Whether he would leave Sunderland is another matter. At least he'd play people in their best positions.

BJH YNWA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:33:19
if we sign jarvis, fletcher or any one of that standard i will cry. how comes tottenham can find modric, bale, ekotto, lennon... and so many more without spending more that 12mill on a player? or the fact that newcastles midfield is allot better than ours? (cabaye, tiote, guiterezz, ben arfer)..dont even get me started on the fact the the athlletic bilboa squad cost a total of 20 mill. why does everybody think its exceptable to spend 40-60 mill a year on players who cant be sold for more than they were bought, and who are only just good enough. its insane. i really hope we take some risks on some foreign players who could potentially make us better, rather than help us scrape by. we have no football style, we are the kick and rush kings, its pure panic on the pitch. i love kenny... but tactically he's out of his depth in the modern game... its all getting a bit kevin keegan. lets hope for a consistent end to the season. {Ed001's Note - you do realise that Athletic bring most of their squad through a youth system that has been built up over the history of the team. Our youth system was only built under Rafa, it takes a bare minimum 10 years to get the fruits of it. United's was built by Ron Atkinson, yet the fruits only appeared long after he had left.}


"we have no football style, we are the kick and rush kings, its pure panic on the pitch" . What a load of crap ! Have you actually watched any games this season ? The football has been up there with the best liverpool have played for over 10 seasons maybe longer. If you refute this then you have a very short memory. Benetiz, Hodgson, Houlier never played and attractive footbal at all.
You are simply not a true SUPPORTER - You just want instant title challenge in 1 season - its doesnt happen even with Man City money. We are a work in process and we have instatnt success even now ! 1 cup in the bag and another visit to Wembley. We are going in the right direction but it will take time. Get behind the team


You are simply not a true SUPPORTER ....

Same old crap phrase used by fans who think they are more special than anyone else! And my dad's bigger than yours!


Bilbao's squad is primarily homegrown, which is what we're trying to do. Also, they're doing worse than us in the league, and we've done better in cups. I don't see them as a target point...


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:30:34
personal opinion reina has had a poor poor season by his standards.tht 6 yard box should be his home yet in stead of dominating it he trots along the line.his postioning is all wrong he should of move on the angle wen those crosses where coming in and atleast punched both away,a few times this season he has done this.
reina needs to wake up or we need to sign a decent keeper to keep him on his toes.
onward and upwards wigan the weekend we need to win
mrbrown


I've been saying this since rafa left. Its nice to see people finally acknowledging it.

Nevada


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:20:14
Hi Ed's,

With the current people out on loan (Aqua, Cole etc..) will the right sided forward/midfielder/winger and a striker be included in the current squad or would we be looking to see/release etc.. a couple of people for them to fit into the squad/budget?

Also I see some people stating figures around selling Maxi - I thought he was out of contract this summer; can you confirm?

Thanks

Hoola {Ed001's Note - we have space to buy. Maxi is contracted for next season too.}


Thanks Ed.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:02:29
"The Irritation of King Kenny"

*The Simple Guide to PR in Football - or how to avoid making gaffes!*

1. Do not believe in your own hype: your agent and team mates rely on you to provide goals/defending and cash! Of course they will tell you you are the best thing since George Clooney's suits. So when you try to push forward in the supermarket queue or at an airport, remember you are just a man who kicks a round thing full of wind for lots of money.
2. You are in the public eye (if you're Beckham you know it, want it and use it) and so don't make ludicrous statements about your wealth. Don't pimp a perfectly reasonable Bentley or believe you need a gold mobile fone or earrings worth more than a small flat. The majority of the general public already hate you. Why make it worse?
3. Avoid situations where you have to turn to your position or name to escape punishments. If you're done for speeding then accept it. Don't make a complete arse of yourself by thinking you're so important to so many people that the normal rules of society don't apply to you.
4. Avoid standing near or saying you're a friend of Ashley Cole.
5. Do not deride the oppositon or make sad comments about ex-players. many of them are sad (Keown, Collymore ...) but the media seems to think they can speak eloquently about the game, even though they sound like manic scripted robots. They can always use the weapon of the media against you.
6. Avoid pontificating about social issues if you have little knowledge of them. Allied to a cause is commendable, but you have to believe in it. Twitter is too easy for the ill-educated. (The '96' campaign was an example of HOW to do something right for players)
7. Avoid standing near or saying you're a friend of John Terry.
8. Do not let your past links with a club cloud your current judgement as a manager. Your hatred of Liverpool's success in Europe should not be used in your current job. Remember Fergie will not always be there to back you up!
8. If you are interviewed on television try to answer some of the questions with more than three words. The majority of fans understand your education is limited but expect more than "yeh" or "nah."
9. Don't speak in 'yoofspeak' like a 12 year old. You have captained MUFC or professed your religion as a Spurs player - try to talk slower than Paul Ince and pretend you're not 31 or 29 but 14 again! Shameful practice.
10. Under no circumstances suggest you know more about the game than fans or anyone else: you may have played the game but so have we Stan at Hackney Marshes or on the old Orrell Pleasure! ..... AND .....
10.2 Never Gordon or 'arry suggest that the fans are just fans and that the people in the game are more important. It doesn't belong to just you.
11. Owners should be seen, heard and respected. Remember it is often their money keeping your dream alive.
12. Mention the people with boxes with some respect. Football isn't class war and you should avoid the use of the phrase 'prawn sandwich brigade.'
13. Avoid standing near or saying you're a friend of Ashley Cole.
14. Ex-players should not claim to be journalists Stan/Alan when you have your words sometimes ghost written by others. You hate it when people claim to know more about the game than you, so don't claim to be anything other than ex-players.
15. Avoid saying David Pleat can pronounce any foreign player names.
16. Realise that football is more than a sport and does not belong to just the fans: hard to take but true. Clubs can afford to alienate fans (even the diehards) as there will always be new ones to replace them (see MUFC) but it is not good for image/PR.
17. Avoid standing near or saying you know Stan Collymore.
18. Just avoid talkSH**TE

A few words that may appeal to some, but the real story here is that when people like Tony Pulis and Rio Ferdinand behave in ways that irritate us, it just angers the majority of non-football people who see an industry believing in its own hype.

Not meant as a serious treatise and yet some of the points are so apposite for today. If I had to pick out one thing that sums up all that is wrong with football and its relationship with the rest of the world .... it would be people like Collymore thinking they know more about the game than we do! Blimey, that way is the road to madness. Next thing you know, you'll have journalists saying they have a better knowledge and understanding of the game than anyone else!

SP


Best post of the day. really made me laugh


'In three words' .. Made me laugh. ;p

Lee YNWA


 

 

22 Mar 2012 12:01:45
7th in League, fighting with Swansea,WBA,Sunderland. reality check.

Do people really think Drawing with Blackburn,Norwich, losing to QPR etc with amount of money spent is justified? if so we will keep quiet

Carling cup is good but should not hide from the fact the league position is very poor considering amount of money spent.

Exactly and how many times this season have we heard the excuses: 'The squad are still gelling'-'We need a little luck'

£100m spent, don't/didn't expect a title challenge but at least a top 4 spot. We ain't even going to get that. Not good enough..

The truth hurts sometimes but it needs to be said. Can't keep saying give time when there are kno signs of improvements.



To the patient and so called real Liverpool fans, wait but warn you your blind faith in Kenny will come at a huge cost..

For the summer, Johnson also expected to leave tell me how on earth we gonna cope without him, Kelly is so injury prone & Flanagan is inexperienced. And playing Carragher & Skrtel there is Like committing suicide.

If there is anything Dalglish can do to salvage the situation is stop being deluded, biased, accept the fact that most of his signings are not good enough, not good enough, stop favoring players, loan out Henderson (Swansea), sell Adam.. give Shelvy the chance instead, buy a quality goal poacher, & a natural right winger. And Jamie Carragher should hang up his boots for the good of the club, he has been a great servant but his time is up.


WAKE UP, WAKE UP! remove your red tinted glasses


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:54:34
.....Kenny out.....
.....Carroll, Henderson, Kuyt, Adam, Spearing, Carra out....
......Stick in the entire youth team to give them a go......
.......Buy every player thats had a half decent game in the last week........
.......Change our formation to 2-1-3-2-1-4-10-1-3.......
.......Get Mourinho/Guardiola/Rafa in......

Hmm. Think I'll check back in in a few days after we've beaten Wigan.

Redjinal


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:39:42
Kenny wasnt given enough money in the summer to sort us out, the owners need to back him with another 60 million so he can build a bettee team with his talent for signing a player. Except the likes of matt Jarvis on the wings and I heard a whisper a 40 million bid for Frazier Campbell is on the way after he impressed Kenny and Commoli...it's going to be a great summer, can't wait!


Hahaah i heard we are looking at paying 60 million for jason roberts, a steal by anyones standards


..... can't wait.

Didn't we say that this time last year, 2008,2009, 2010?


Kenny blew lots of money on ok players. luca modric cost 12 mill. juve payed a similar amount for krasic. i hope to god we dont give kenny another 60 mill, our scouting system is not on a good roll.


Kenny will sign average players again then ex pool players will give its loads about how great there going to be and we'll believe the hype...same old story year in year out


Modric cost around 16.5 million but point taken when you consider how much was paid for Henderson...


Or like when Spurs bought Gareth Bale and were days away from Selling him a year and a half after buying him....
Give the "Boy" some time.
As Souness said it a massive pressure and step upwhen you first get to one of The Big Clubs

Lyndon


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:37:59
Hi ed002 n others, appreciate the wrk u guys are doing. I want to touch on or point out the dillusional spell that we have begun to fall victim to. Now most 'real' football fans will tell u since Suarez every other signing has been etrocious. Downing has always been average. Adam is just rubbish. I mean great distribution but has failed to impress us fans this season. Henderson and Carroll have youth on their side but time is running out for the 35mill latter. Anyway my point is Rafa Benitez was never backed so solidly in the transfer window we have spent around 70mill if u offset the Torres sale. Do u guys see that being justified by our league position? I am grateful for KK's contribution but now is my time to say JH n TW have to show him the door. Poor recruitment has cost us a champions league spot this year. On top of which DC's stats system clearly does not work. I don't know why on earth he assumes that it does. The proof of that is that a Swansea player would be among the best in the world. Funny thing is I can see us spending 'big' on more wastes of space as long as Dalglish is at the helm. Bring back Rafa I say. MJ. I'm open to any comments {Ed001's Note - I fear for anyone who would bring back the man who has to take a large part of the blame for the mess we are in. He was the one bringing in players on unsustainable wages and large numbers of them.}


There is more than 2 managers in the world, it's not just Kenny and Rafa you know.

davethebutcher


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:36:52
I think we are all agreed that we cannot keep going on wasting so many gilt edged chances in front of goal. Last nights game should have been put to bed by half time, no arguments. In the EPL both teams are always going to have a spell of pressure, and you will get punished, as we have been the last couple of games if you don't capitalise during that spell. We are a goal scoring striker, and a pacy right winger away from being a top 4 side (IMO). For all of his skill, flair, ability and endeavour, Suarez' goal per chance return is terrible. I much prefer to see him given a free role behind a main striker where I feel he does his most damage.
Just over a year ago I was not alone in posting (when under Roy) that I would rather see us set out to win games rather than set out to draw games, even if it meant on times dropping that point. That opinion has not changed. We were set out to win last night, and We were the better team. Wastefulness in front of goal and lapses of concerntration have cost us. I blame the players for this, not the management. Kenny can obviously see that a 'fox in the box' is required, LFC knew this in January, but i'm assuming they've learned from the AC affair that it is best to wait for the right player rather to rush in. Three Months ago 80% of the Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head. The 'poor' players he bought staved off a relegation battle, turned it around and they are back upto 3rd.

We'll get there (eventually)

Tommy Walsh


Agree totally Tommy. A voice of reson. I know a lot of people are losing patience, and I understand why, but IMO the fact is, we are playing football that can be great to watch. Can't expect consistency after 1 season - I think we should give Kenny at least 1 more season, ideally 2. Just my opinion. Nick


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:32:04
I'm a little concerned with some fans on here. There are two types that disappoint me. There are knee jerkers, and what I'm gonna call no jerkers. We all know the knees. The no jerkers are people who are unable or unwilling to have any kind of reaction. Kenny could lose every game for next year and the no jerkers would still be saying to keep him.

I'm neither of these fans i sit firmly and pragmatically in the middle. I look at both wins and losses with the same analytical eye. I support liverpool not dalglish or rafa or any other manager. as such i think about what is best for the club. Where are in the league, trophy or not, is not good enough. Our priorities where clear at the start of the season... 4th place min was top priority, every one from henry to kenny said it. By his own admission this season is a failure. The cups were secondary goals, a good bonus. I'm not saying kenny out, that would be stupid as he deserves another season but it wouldn't be unfair to say his performance as managed has been poor and that he has simply turned us into a 100 million pound cup team.

i don't think i would be alone in saying this, I'm sure that the winning mentalities of bill shankly and bob paisley would both agree that next season needs to see a drastic improvement, start to finish. Or kenny may end with his last act as manager being remembered for a continuation of disappointment which he was hired to halt.

Thanks for reading, comments are welcomed and appreciated.

Nevada


Well balanced in my view nevada. I agree there are problems with the squad and sometimes I'm not fully on board with Kenny's tactics. I think another season would allow the board to see if Kenny has the capability to regain 4th, if he doesn't ( after being given a substantial transfer budget again, which I think he will be) then we really have to say is he the man to take us forward?
Also somebody needs to give him a bit of media training he's awful in interviews which I don't think helps with the frustration of some fans. Overall I am not teribbly disappointed with the season so far, football is about fine margins and it hasn't gone for us this year, but, we can't use that excuse every year. If he ere to go I'd really like to see Brendan Rodgers given a shot at the job, in my view the manager of the year

Andy


Cup runs are partly a function of luck. We were lucky against Cardiff, and lucky against City away, and lucky against Man Utd at home.

The league position is the best indicator of how good a team you are. I am sure the owners realize this. If we finish behind Newcastle and Swansea, they will probably want change.


Kenny's problem is that he spent an awful lot of money on players who contribute nothing. Especially Carroll and Henderson.

But he is obliged to play them, because he paid so much for them.Hence, we lose matches.

Kenny has, sadly, created a rod for his own back.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:24:10
I have to laugh at the positive upbeaters having a go at the "doom and gloomers". We were just beaten by QPR after being up by 2 with 15 mins to go.
We are absolutely not where we should be and people are justified in venting their frustration at throwing away a 2-0 lead against a team in the bottom three.
Oh but stop complaining you doom and gloomers. You lot should shut up and keep the faith. After all, it's all part of the master plan. Keep the faith. Kenny knows what he's doing. All these little phrases are wearing thin.
The truth is Kenny isn't the manager to take us forward and the owners must be daft to allow he and commolli to spend more money.
Turns his nose up at Honda lol would have been a great buy but no we'll have a look at some top english talent shall we.

OzredSA


The problem with your posting OzredSA is that so many diehard fans won't listen to anything said against KK. That is quite understandable and acceptable. The man is more than a legend and means a great deal to me. But I do accept your points.

I've been keeping the faith for donkeys' years and ask how long can I keep it? We are always just ready for the next season. We are always needing just another £60 million as suggested in another post to buy more players. Last night was a little bit more of a shock to me and the way we conceded was unacceptable.

Blind love and devotion will not allow us to ask any searching questions and yet someone has to ask them: is KK the man to lead us on? Why are our big names not scoring?

My advice is to keep asking the searching questions and ignore those who talk of doom mongers and the like. Fans come in all shapes, sizes and views.

SP


I think most posters are guilty of something called group-think.ť Can you imagine if this was Hodgson's team? Or Rafa's? Imagine if he had spent £35m on some Spanish striker who had come in and performed like this? But as it's KK, we daren't question him as if he is some superior being who is above judgement. He'll be gone at the end of the year, and to all those who said Rafa left us with a load of dead wood, Kenny just bought the new generation of it.

Ash {Ed001's Note - the difference is that Rafa would have brought him in on 100k + a week, instead of half that. There is a lot more to it than simply the money spent, there is also the huge reduction in the wage bill that has had to be done because of Rafa and Hodgson.}


I do get that Ed, but instead of picking up free/cheap players and putting them on crazy salaries, we've gone the other way and picked up players on relatively small wages but for crazy prices! Would that be fair to say?

Ash {Ed001's Note - to a degree maybe, though Carroll was just a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place with the owners' need to show intent. They had to spend big to replace Torres, he was the only player we could get then. Unfortunately, for Henderson and Downing we had a going rate that needed to be paid. It is more than they are worth really, but it could be a good investment in Henderson's case. I don't think we overpaid for Coates, Enrique, Suarez or Teixera.}


And don't forget Bellamy Ed! He was a fantastic signing. I do understand that the owners had to spemd big to show intent, but surely, surely we would have been better served to keep the money and spend it when the market isn't going crazy the day before deadline day? Fans are generally a fickle bunch (as I'm sure I don't need to point out to you) and all would be forgiven 6 months later if the money was better spent then? Anyone with rationale can see that December 30th is not the time to be spending money? You are right with you assesment of Coates, Enrique, Suarez and Teixera, but in financial terms, they account for roughly £38 million of £110 million investment. That means that 65% of the money spent has been spent unwisely. That is where the real problem lies

Ash


Spot on ash.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 11:13:38
I feel for the remaining games KK should play Henderson and Shelvey in central midfield together with Gerrard just in front tucked up behind Suarez with Rahim Sterling on the left and Downing on the right..... We have nothing to loose now it seems as though Champions League positions are beyond our reach.
Certainly worth a try and will give Premier League experience to some youngsters with no added pressure.
Village


Considering you can't spell Raheem sterling's name, you don't realize that the boy is a school going kid. He is 17. He is too week, and the team you stated, we would get torn apart, spearing is a must.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:54:47
one thing i don't get is why people are saying carroll and henderson should go. they play 2, we win 2. they're left out of the team, and we lose. if we played a 4-4-2 with them two in the team like we have done in recent games we definitely would have won.


Henderson didn't play against stoke maxi did!


Very true though, in regards to Carroll anyway. He's on the bench, comes on for what, 20 mins tops and our defense is breached 3 times and he gets the blame? Oh yes Andy you should be all over the field, even in goal! I really dont get it....
Exasperated KiwiRed


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:51:03
justing been lookin at the spending of liverpool since KK arrived and taking into account the value of players sold against the value bought lfc have spent £40m over 3 transfer windows which for a team thats trying to rebuild after losing a few quality players in the couple of transfer windows before this surely isnt alot of money spesh wen u look at the other other teams in the top 5 of the league!


Thing is their actually in the top 5


And significantly reduced the wage bill
Nzl_red


Lmao,i bet if i spent long enough in your company mate you could convince me the world was flat ffs.my 13 yr old grandson see,s the world exactly like you mate.he done well at xmas along with the pressies he also got around 350 quid,so he blows it on an an i-pad or i-pod thingy majig and some other rubbish and after a few weeks its lying in the cupboard unused,when asked why? he replies,its crap!,boring! i thought it would be better!.when i point out to him the price it cost he replies.it was xmas present money so it didnt cost anything.but he has an excuse mate he is only 13 ffs


Haha! Very good analogy.


No ur missing the point wen people say kk has spent alot of money and overall hasnt got up any closer to the champs league i agree but u have to look at it as a whole which is my point..... if u sell players that are valued at example £100m u have to replace them players for better players or u will never improve. the club over 3 transfer windows the bottom line figure is actually (-£37.5m)..... now for a team trying to rebuild after losing players like Torres, alonso, javier and rebuilding after a couple of years of really poor results and disappointing seasons its not alot of money to spend. its peoples child like views then they say he's spend £150m and look where they are..... if u never sold a player and did that then fair point but if u sell you've got to replace or you get left behind!!!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:49:49
{Ed002's Note - I would perhaps give a cameo to one or two but throwing in half a team of 17 year old players will likely result in (a) being well and truly beaten; (b) young players losing confidence in their abilities; (c) the manager coming under even more pressure and receiving even more abuse from the fickle ones; and (d) a fine from the FA for deliberately fielding a weakened team.}

bloody hell ed, biggest overreaction to throwing in sterling on the right wing ive ever seen!


Bloody hell, biggest attempt at humour since yesterdays result.

Melbourne CFC


Good result against City yesterday, Melbourne?

Adam


Ha Adam pipe it mate, far from the result you guys got at QPR. Very, very weak arguement mate. You guys are the laughing stock on football Internationaly after that result.

Melbourne CFC


Melbourne, you guys lost last night and are 5 points out of the top 4. If Tottenham hit some good form at the end of the season that's a Europa spot for Chelsea.

Granted, we aren't doing well in the league either, but then I'm not the one rubbing in another team's defeat on their club page after seeing my own team get defeated also!

Adam


Adam, read the post from top to bottom and see who mentioned the result first. Muppet.

Melbourne CFC


It seems I am most certainly the muppet on this occasional. Take it all back boys, forgive me?

Melbourne CFC


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:45:40
Would it not make sense to re-call Danny Wilson from Blackpool? If Skrtel gets injured now we're dead and buried. Carra has all the experience to still just about cope at center back, but anywhere else and I'm afraid he's just not up to it anymore. -SH- {Ed001's Note - would you not rather give Wisdom a shot? He looks a much better player.}


Cheers, ED. Yes I would rather give Wisdom a shot, the guy is as strong as an ox and look like a great prospect. The trouble is KK seems very reluctant to give any of the younger players a chance so I just thought Wilson would be the more realistic option in terms of who the boss would actually use. {Ed001's Note - he is reluctant to give younger players a chance because so few are ready and the fans have no patience.}


Norman wisdom?


Wisdom isnt half as good as wilson, did u see the ajax game?

Dan {Ed001's Note - and have you seen Wilson play? He has been struggling for Blackpool, struggled every time he played for us too. He simply isn't good enough on the ball for the style of football we are playing.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:44:15
A positive from last night what a first goal from coates!!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:40:27
Are we not forgetting that KK is a liverpool legend if we were gonna give anyone more time it should be him looking at his past has it been a great season no. But lets face it our performances have been for most of the season and how gr8 has it been to win some silverware however 'small' someone who can bang un 20goals a season and a RW could give the entire team a fresh new look and will give us a edge for next year


If we signed a RW - would he play on the RW with Kenny? Or play at all?

It's over now. He's lost the plot.

I can only defend so much - he tears apart the team when it plays well, then says he can't understand what happened.

Bringing on Coates and playing Carra at RB is ridiculous.

People here are saying 'it's not Football Manager'.

True - but I don't know anyone would even make such stupid team selections - even in FM - and that's only a game, the real thing is much more serious.

Why Flanagan was on the bench - or Aurelio, is beyond me. He must be thinking what the hell needs to happen to get a game.

This is his team, these are his players - he has no style of play - it changes from game to game, the youth setup is not geared towards the first team - they don't even play the same system (well, we don't have a system).

I don't think we need to sell everyone, I'm not knee-jerk like that. This post is not knee jerk, it has taken quite a while to turn me.

I do think we need a new manager though. One who will play players in a proper system they are comfortable in - and play players in their proper positions - is that too much to ask for?

Never mind that Kenny said that Downing was 'better than I thought', or gives the impression that he never plans ahead - 'no idea how much money we have' (not without reason I'm sure - reluctant to give him money?) or says it'll take a hell of a player to improve our team, which has done fantastically - or that upon signing Teixiera, saying the academy signed him, and thats nothing to do with me or the first team - I could go on and on - Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson - playing them all out of position or dropping them after playing well. Pandering to Kuyt's media campaign to start last night - In a front f*cking 3....

I always defended Kenny, thats because I could see positives. Those positives have dried up.

Kenny will likely leave at the end of the season, if so I hope a replacement is lined up - at least he got us into Europe - and got a cup for the record books - our lowly league position will also ensure that the new coach won't be under stupid pressure from the off. (I fear we may finish 10th or so - after the first game of Rafa's last year I said we'd be 7th when there was talk of the title - I was right then -I fear I will be right now too...)

But who to get.

Marcelo Bielsa
Louis van Gaal
Jurgen Klopp
Jose Mourinho

Van Gaal would be the most realistic, maybe Klopp would like a shot at England, who knows?

All these may be unrealistic - I don't know - but I want a manager that manages the club - from the youth sides through to the senior setup - a manager who will build a philosophy and style of play throughout the agegroups, so that the transition to the first XI is seamless.

Atm out players don't have a clue what they're supposed to be doing - that we have players arguing over set-pieces and forget to build a wall at free-kicks is pub team amatuerish.

Will someone tell Enrique that when defending set pieces and standing on the post - it would be an idea to actually stand on the pitch, rather than in the net - does anyone actually notice this?

Don't we have teams of people who analyse the games? Our confidence looks shot - if history is a guide, expect comments od discontent from Pepe anytime now - I'm sure he'll want out before his poor form draws more attention (anything to do with the goalkeeping coaches? I think Fergie would have dropped him by now tbh).

I could go on and on -

Sad days, but Kenny has to go. I still love him though, and he will always be the king. But this cannot be allowed to continue.

I'm sure that the owners already know this. I wonder where Comolli stands on the issue? But all the signings are Kennys, he has veto power on all the signings - I won't blame Comolli for them, because that is wrong.

If encouraged, and played in their best roles, (and are not dropped after playing well) they can still be good players for us. Not happening with KK.

Also, play Johnson on the right wing, if he won't - tell him to f*ck off. When Kuyt plays anywhere but CF - you know you have problems.

BJH YNWA. (seriously folks, KK cannot be trusted to pick the team - there is seemingly no plan/system, his comments on how great we are doing have entered Hodgson territory. He will go - learn to live with it - and in all honestly, be thankful. I'm just worried about who the new boss will be.) {Ed001's Note - you know Kuyt has played his best football on the left of a front 3 for Holland right? Which just happens to be where he played last night. I didn't see him as the problem myself, considering the capitulation was in midfield and defence, not in attack. Perhaps you might want to try watching a few games he has performed in for Holland, such as the last World Cup, when he was their MOM in the final, on the left of a front 3.}


"Van Gaal would be the most realistic, maybe Klopp would like a shot at England, who knows? "

This is nonsense. Dortmund with gates of 82,000 and a travelling away support that would fill a small town!
Cash rich this season and likely to win the Bundesliga again? We are a huge club but so is Dortmund. He will have an eye on die Bayern, not us.
Van Gaal? A man who will need £000000000000000000 to reshape the side and a man notorious for being aloof to fans, chairman and players.


When Suarez came off there was no attack. I know he was just being rested but seriously since he came off yesterday the team struggled to create any real threat. Its probably because he was often deep troubling the opposition and thus helping the midfield and defence out, while Carroll after coming on didnt contribute much in that sense or much in the team link up play either (he tried although maybe not hard enough).


Lol. I was gonna write that some eeijit would probably bring up the world cup and Kuyt - I didn't bother.

El Hadji Diouf was in the team of the tournament at a World Cup. He must have been be twice the player.

The tournament is filled with rubbish - as Alex Ferguson said - like watching paint dry.

'Watch some games', don't patronise me.

I watched him at Feyenoord where he played centrally with Kalou supporting. He was a striker then, and a good one - he's technically, and pace-wise, too poor to play anywhere else. I wanted us to sign him.

Clearly I've seen him play a lot, in over a hundred games as an LFC fan.

He was pants on the left last night - unsurprisingly.

He scored after going up top with Suarez due to enforced changes as a result of injuries.

If he was playing centrally as a striker I would have no problem.

Great that you decided 'he was their MOTM' in the final too - it doesn't make it so. I barely noticed he was playing.

As for Holland, they're hardly great - they walk groups against amateurs - wow... they beat England 3-2 in a friendly. wow.

They beat Japan, Denmark, Cameroon, Slovakia and an awful Brazil side, Uruguay (who were very good that night and robbed by an offside goal being allowed) then tried to kick a Spain side not playing well into submission rather than trying to play football.

Amazing. (I saw every game too, I haven't watched all the Dutch qualifiers - I won't lie - neither have you - but watched highlights when I could - they're hardly amazing hammerring San Marino et al, are they?)

Not that any of that matters - as I said, If Dirk impressed that much - El Hadji Diouf must have blown your mind. Or maybe you'd sign Phil Babb for a Brtish record fee for a defender.

And Messi musn't be very good either. He wasn't in the final with great players like Van Bronkhorst and Kuyt.

Try to be smart with others ed001. But to be blunt, I know a lot about football - mine are considered opinions, not kneejerk reactions.

If you actually agree with Kenny deploying Kuyt in wide positions, then that is worrying.

I suggest you watch the match again - he wasn't in a front 3 when he scored, he had moved up top in a central position with Suarez - thats the point man.

When we went two up. Kenny brought on Carroll and Kuyt floundered back deeper towards the midfield. He was shambolic from then on, even if his intentions were good - he was also dead on his feet - his sprints were like a slow jog.

Being postive is fine - this was not an attack on Kuyt - the manager tells him (or should be telling him) where to play.

I like the guy playing centrally - but thats it. Anywhere else hurts the team.

Incompetent team selection. Subs - all the thinks I listed in the above post too.

BJH YNWA.

ps - You are correct that the defence and midfield were a shambles [as was the Goalkeeper] too - I discussed this elsewhere, totally agree, but our attacking setup with a front 3 is always blunt, we don't have the players for it.

Changing the system to accomodate Kuyt (or at all, when playing well) is one of many problems.

I also agree with much of what you say ed001, such as not wanting Rafa back. You do quality work - I'm just standing my ground here.

I mean no offense. I stood by Kenny as long as I could.

It hurts.

BJH YNWA. {Ed001's Note - I didn't 'decide' he was their MOM, he was given that award as their official final MOM. He also plays there regularly for Holland and plays the part very well, pace isn't everything or Walcott would be a great. The front 3 was never a problem, we dominated the game with 3 up front, so I fail to see what your argument was against it?
As for you idiotic comments about Diouf etc, hardly the same is it? One tournie was not what I was talking about, I was just pointing out that was one example of him playing there. Don't moan about being patronised when your comments are extremely patronising. If you can't take it, then I suggest you don't give it.
You have stood by Kenny as long as you could? That is the most pathetic attempt at an argument ever. He has not even had one complete full season, spent the whole of last summer trying to offload dross that we ended up having to pay people to take! Long term success is built on stability, not changing the manager because a few fans have the patience of a 5 year old brat and get their pouts out every time the result isn't the one they demand. This isn't a case of a clear error in judgement, this is not Roy, who thinks a draw is a great achievement in every game. This is a man who wants to win, who doesn't want to escape with a point from matches. It might well not work out for Dalglish, he might not be the answer, but you don't find out unless you give the man a chance.}


As I said..... "who knows".

I recall Riedle signing from Dortmund when they had just been crowned champions of Europe - and he'd scored in the final.

Who knows. Really.

Maybe the wife was a big Beatles fan. Maybe Keegan's spell at Hamburg made a young Klopp grow fond of English football and LFC. Maybe he needs to skip town due to gambling debts. Maybe he hates the chairman - or the players..

Who knows? I didn't say any of this would happen.

I understand your reservations on Van Gaal. I'd like someone younger ideally. But I'm the biggest fan of 94/95 Ajax - and the guy can win titles.

You do realise you have written that Van Gaal can build a side with no money - don't you?

Correct - and they took out moneybags Milan in the process, so whats the problem?

I don't think we'd go after him though for what it's worth.... It was just a thought - he would not be a popular choice for many people.

Watch his drunken title celebrations at Bayern on youtube btw if you havent....

Who has the best defence!

Who has the best attack!

Class. (or not. lol.) He's unemployed (to the best of my knowledge) thats why I thought he may be the most realistic... thats all.

To the second poster - I agree completely - Dirk dropped back from playing as a central striker alongside Suarez - who as a pacey outlet, kept their defence pushed back.

We just invited them onto us, Kuyt was kept on though he was dead on his feet ... we looked a side incapable of keeping possession, without a plan or structure, every individual panicked.... we fell apart.

Carra at RB was madness... I'd love to ask the midfielders what position they were playing by the end, or what their role in the side was - or what the formation/system was - I don't think they could honestly answer.

Do you remember Johnson shouting at the bench against Man City because he hadn't been told what he was supposed to be doing? The scene wen't on and on - it was worrying then, but I've noticed that players routinely look lost - as if they don't know where they should be in any given situation.

Under a real top manager like Mourinho, this would never, ever happen.

This type of 'throw anyone on to play anywhere' style of management is redundant - a squad can use more than 14-18 players nowadays. Such gap-filling should not be happening.

Somehow I don't see Kenny preparing the Powerpoint presentations to direct the players in what to do tactically - from one week to the next they don't seem to know what position they'll be playing, if they are playing at all.

We need a solid stucture. Sub selection is also integral to keeping the shape of a team.

We don't actually have a system - after a year in charge we don't have a fixed formation. This goes for all the sides leading to the first XI, as I said.

Yet somehow - we are supposed to building a team? unreal.

Shocking. Amatuerish.

BJH YNWA.

Think about it - If I asked - what is our best XI? - The posters here would all put up different sides and formations.

Kenny chops and changes all the time - whether it's working or not, no wonder we have no consistency. No wonder we don't have a settled side.

We have no structure - we are not 'building' anything atm.

QPR. Good god.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:33:39
Still angry and embarassed after last night but have a clearer head.
I didn't and wouldnt call for Kennys head.......that sort of reaction won't help us!
Certain players need to go though......ie Charlie Adam! (Not Adams, but Adam......for those that want to irriate me with that mispelling)
I recall last summer, constantly looking at these pages seeing and looking forward to updates from the Eds on Macca on the sea saw saga between Karl Oyston at Blackpool and LFC over the Charlie Adam transfer.
I was so excited when we finally got him! 'The free kicks, the corners, the linking up with Gerrard, we would have ended up getting him for a bargin' were all things I thought at the time.

How wrong was I!

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way holding him solely responsible for our shortcomings this season, however I am gutted at the level and amount of woeful performances by him this season. Out of our summer signings, only Bellamy coming back to LFC (for free, great deal......even managed to get him away from his beloved Cardiff), Enrique (signing of the season for the price we got him imo) and Adam were the transfers I was really looking forward to.........I didn't really agree with the Henderson and Downing transfers if in honest!

I'm just really disappointed! Maybe he has the same psychological problem as Torres at Chelsea? All I know I wouldn't miss him if he went now.

Anyways, it seems like 6th/7th place on the league so fingers crossed for a cup double!

K.Bennett


The qualities evident in Henderson and Downing in patches. Carroll and Adam were bought off the back of performances over a single season, clearly a punt. I do recall posters on here before the Adam signing expressing concerns over the fact that he was a failure at Glasgow Rangers and whether he would cut it at a big club. How right they were.

Let's face it, we're all being had over. We get told about how fantastic the academy is but I don't see any of them cutting it at top level. I don't see a Gerrard, Fowler or Owen amongst them, I just see potential journeymen to join the other stream of journeymen we bring in from other clubs.

I was at the game last night and a few of us were talking at half time. The general consensus being that Adam is certainly no Alonso and as much as I've been impressed with Jay, he is not at the sort of level for a title winning team.

I knew the writing was on the wall when Kelly went off. A lot of fans comment on Carraghers experience! Both goals against Arsenal down to him being the wrong side of Van Persie and again tonight against a player ready to draw his pension. Martin Skirtle is my player of the season this year. He's flourished as he's no longer having to make up Carraghers shortcomings in a partnership.

Still she'll shocked from last night, Chelsea and Spurs drop points and we fluff our lines again. Gutted.

Ozone


I must admit I was looking forward to the set piece delivery, the raking cross field passes and the balance Charlie could add to the squad with his left foot.

He started ok, but his performances, like most others fell by the wayside when Lucas got injured. Lucas and Adam were forming a decent partnership but since then he has been pretty poor, and he looks a liability. One paced and ponderous, he is a shadow of the player of last season

Yesterday I thought the system could have got the best out of him, with Gerrard and Spearing providing a bit of energy in midfield, allowing him to find space as the spare man to play his natural game. It didn't happen.

He like most our signings has failed to perform anywhere near the levels of last season with their previous clubs. Had they collectively performed even at 50% of last seasons levels, we'd be in a better position.

RedSG


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:31:18
Hi eds, could u pls compare teixeira and suso? both are creative midfielders, who would have a brighter future? {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in comparing players in such a manner - perhaps someone else will give an opinion.}


Texeira is a cm, suso is more of an attacking midfielder.
Indian Buzzer


Suso is a work in progress, David has every chance as the others in the reserve team do to get a few cameos


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:26:55
its not your team its your manager!
get rid of KENNY and things will change!
the only time he has done anything was when he inherited a team or spent bucket loads,and you dont have loads of money...
cammolli has been run out of loads of clubs for wasting money!
you have a great club with a true tradition and you need a proper manager..
dave.w gooner


Beware - Wolf in sheeps clothing


Get off your high horse mate, Arsenal have been pathetic this year bar RVP.

I doubt these boys want your advise, your own clubs fans put you down on your own page.

Your club is the pitts!

Melbourne CFC


You mean a proper manager like Wenger who has won nothing now in over 6 years

The oul arsenal pages must be quite


Pretty sure Wenger's team is sitting nicely in 3rd place! Ours isnt!

Steve


Melboune cfc lmao,are you for real,you invited a lodger into your house who is paying the mortgage and the bills scr--ing your wife and daughter infront of you whenever and wherever he wants,sits on your favorite chair and hogs the t.v.drinks your beer and is a closet spuds supporter.and you and your family woundnt hear a bad word said about him.and you call AFC a pathetic club lmfao.morals and dignity ar,nt the words associated with anyone remotely connected with chelski,you dont even realise you have set up as a squatter on this lfc page surprise,surprise lol.mind the gap lol
trev the gooner


Trev you started your post with lmao and finished it with lol.

Melbourne CFC


Melbourne cfc yes i did,cause chelski is a joke from start to finish,bit of irony,did you not get it lol
trev the gooner


Ahhh Trev, the typings of a pre pubescent school girl. Back to the hole you crawled out of mate, return when you are carrying some sort of silverware, any sort.... anything at all.

Melbourne CFC


Funny how a arsenal and chelski argument has occurred on a Liverpool banter!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:26:26
6th 2 cups transitional year forgiveable especially with decent performances Progressive season. KK safe

7th 2 cups discontent but kk safe
8th and below 2 cups kk moves upstairs

6th 1 cup discontent but given decent performances KK safe

7th 1 cup kk moves upstairs

8th and below 1 cup KK fired


The way people keep saying "Kenny moves upstairs" its like when parents try to break the news to their child that their Granddad has died, that said I understand what you mean but if Kenny were to vacate the management position then I don't see how he would be able to continue at the club, surely that would only serve to make the new managers position untenable?


We are on for 3 trophies this calendar year, The charity shield also.

Tommy Walsh


Forget the charity shield. we wud have to go through one of the manchester clubs to win it, which is next to impossible.
Indian Buzzer


That would be both Manchester clubs we beat in the cups!

JanMolbyFan


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:20:51
I am a chelsea fan and have a friend who knows Steve Clarke. Steve has told him that himself & Kenny are under some pressure from the owners to get into a top 4 spot. Especially based on the amount of money spent. Be interesting to see what the future holds for you scousers.


Hey ed002,
Was the I.P. Address for this post from 221b Baker Street ?
No sh*ep Sherlock !
Lol. They're all coming in today man.
The Real KB


I have a Russian girlfriend who knows Abramovitch and she said he's fed up with Chelski and if they don't win the Champions League this season. He will leave and is looking to buy into a Top
Russian side in partnership with a business associate. What will happen to Chelski then? They will just become Chelsea again .No history, No trophys and No money!
kidmillions


No need to have a dig at chelsea mate, if you havent noticed we have been extremely kind to you in not pointing out certain events yesterday. Plus we have lots of trophys in the cabernet, they wouldnt just disappear, those trophies would've created some sort of history, a lack of trophys from then on wouldnt take away that history (you can ask your own fans if thats true) and selling Kalou and Malouda has gotta drum up atleast $1 USD.

Melbourne CFC

Melbourne CFC


Australian so excused the appalling grammar and spelling but really! History? Chelsea and history? Like saying Ashley Cole and the real world in one sentence!


Its gotten to the stage in your season where grammar and spelling are an arguement. Pathetic Liverpool. Absolutely pathetic.

Melbourne CFC


Chelsea has more history than Australia!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:03:35
I am putting things in prespective for all kenny fans.we have lost 4 out of 5 in league outings..

Kenny for england..kenny for england..


 

 

22 Mar 2012 10:01:22
you know i for dont believe players should need a transitional players a lot of the lads we bought were playing in the P.L and speak english and if suarez can asjust then the other players should too. Whatever way u look at it weve spent a lot and another year without champions league is not good for the club especially finances let alone getting better players. Are we really suggesting that noone better could come in and spend say 50m? and and get us back in to the top 4? not sure kenny is up to it he might be tho


Suarez hasn't adjusted or settled fully yet.
Because he's such a good player people think he has. When he's fully settled the goals will flow.
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:57:41
Hi eds ,

Do you think Kenny will do the right thing and move upstairs in the summer?
Surely we won't be subjected to another season of his tyrannical reign? {Ed002's Note - I have given my views on the manager before and it is simply not worth repeating as all it does is attract abuse from the dribbling morons and eventually results in lots of posters being banned. Have a great day.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:44:47
Hi Ed,
Not as much a question, more asking your opinion.In light of the fact that we have only two matches of any real importance left, would you be inclined to play some of the younger players (out of the nexgen) a chance to gain some experience and rest some of or senior players considering the busy easter period just ahead of the semi.
Many Thanks
DubRed {Ed002's Note - I would perhaps give a cameo to one or two but throwing in half a team of 17 year old players will likely result in (a) being well and truly beaten; (b) young players losing confidence in their abilities; (c) the manager coming under even more pressure and receiving even more abuse from the fickle ones; and (d) a fine from the FA for deliberately fielding a weakened team.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:44:24
Oh dear what happened to Queen Kenny's boys last night. Please please please don't ever sack him as he is doing such a wonderful job.
How do you think that battle for 7th place with Swansea will go?
I can only think of 35 million reasons why loserpool have been so unlucky this season.
Well done to my old mate Sparky on getting one of the most woeful teams I have ever seen in the premier league to beat liverpool.
Good luck in the mickey, sorry FA cup where you will surely get beat by the toffee men or the mackems.
Chin up though guys because you will surely win the league next year, oh i forgot i have heard that one for the last 22 years.


Sir Alex x


Tell me siralexx - Are you not ashamed that your club has won FIFTEEN Mickey Mouse Cups in the past but only FOUR European trophies. I would like to compare you with a clock that has stopped - it is right twice a day - but I can't as you will ALWAYS be pathetic. Get a life or get a wife then you'll get your thrills elsewhere!
Dutchmal


Mate, for you to call the world's oldest cup competition as a mickey mouse cup...but that's typical of you - belittling the opponents in the CL and suddenly it's a mickey mouse cup, got your arse kicked in the Europa league, so it's a mickey mouse cup. But anyway, idiots like you don't get it -you don't respect the competition, you don't deserve to win it! Singred


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:41:53
Not posted in a while and I think this is maybe a banter post, but I am on my phone so this is easier :P

We need to face now that 4th is not likely and playtime of the youngsters and reserves and get them a good few games to show what they can do/can they handle first team responsibilities and/or have them in the shop window for the summer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:39:11
looking at our position in January we were only 1 / 2 quality players away from 4th spot which surely is the main objective (as much as i loved winning the CC it doesnt bring in the money) with suarez suspention aswel surely we needed that boost of quality players to push us over that line and make sure we got champs league..... any insight EDs on why money wasnt spent? reading through the lines is kenny plannin on stepping down come May & we're the owners saving that for the new manager come the summer? really has left me confused, we can all see if you take a step back that this squad isnt good enough to get 4th spot, granted we've not finished off teams in most games but thats not down to not having luck (over a season 2/3 games maybe) but over a full season week in week out shows the lack of star quality within the ranks of the squad!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:39:09
I think that now is the time to try and blood some youngsters into the side, the likes of flannagan, shelvey, coates and maybe sterling, if not from the start of the match then give them half an hour or so a game.
The time is right because 4th is no longer a target, and so we need to see how some of the stars of the future are going to shape up plus they need to play alongside some of the more experienced players like gerard.
Dr. A


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:38:42
Loads of unnamed posters on here shouting get rid of KK. Unbelievable! We could end up with 2 Cups at the end of a Transitional Season!
Some of our football last night was superb!
Qpr's fightback came from nowhere! you couldn't even see it coming!
I'm happy with what Kenny is doing and the Brand of Football were trying to play, with a few tweaks in the Summer we will be in the top 4 challenging.
If you feel the need to "Have a Go!" at someone? It should not be the Manager. One of our most reliable players over the last few seasons let us down last night and not for the first time this season Pepe Reina.
He didn't save anything...2 headers from inside the six yard box? and the winning goal hit straight at him?. Think Pepe needs up his game and command the six yard box a bit better.
kidmillions


Transitional season? Give me a break! Look at the figures we spent last season and tell me if you thought back then with that cash being spent that you thought that this season was transitional. We bought a load of center midfielders last season yet none of them could replace Lucas if needed. We insisted on paying vast sums of money on players that were nowhere near Liverpool quality.

People say Henderson is young, but we have not even seen glimpses of quality.

Adam is just a tub in the center field.

I may get a bashing here but has anyone watched Enrique since the new year? He has been terrible. Hoofing needless balls, terrible delivery, concentration level is poor. Why? I really do think it's complacency. When he first arrived he was brilliant but he's comfy now knowing he's first choice so he's just taking it easy.

Downing's game I must admit is improving but i'm waiting for his momentum to be stopped by Kenny when he is probably sub Saturday.

Carroll, i'll judge the lad when he has proper service.

Suarez, can he finish? Is he being coached properly? Technically gifted but I would seriously love to know how his coaching is doing.

Something has to give in the summer, I honestly do not trust the same people to do transfer business again this summer and its not even my money so just imagine what FSG must think.! I hate to see a manger lose his job as I really feel as Kenny's approach to games has been good. Nice free flowing football, but, his in-game tactics is what worry me.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the summer transfer window I will still be a Liverpool fan proud. If Kenny stays I will back him as always but if he goes and is replaced then I shall back the new man in charge.

Corkpoolred {Ed001's Note - so you think that bringing in lots of players means that it is not transitional? Do you have a dictionary? Only you might want to check the meaning of a word before you type in future.}


Whats the difference between being 'unnamed' and being called 'kidmillions'? whopper.

boybillions


Ok so, we have signed a good few players but what about Chelsea's first season under new ownership? They were in a title race, got to the quarter finals of the champs league. If we signed better players in the summer with that money we would be a lot better off now, FACT!

corkpoolred {Ed001's Note - Chelsea were already up in the top group when they were taken over, hardly the same thing.}


But we have stayed still in the league.. The players we signed just aren't good enough - Suarez is praised left right and center but he can't finish. How is he a world class striker when he can't finish?

Corkpoolred


I disagree with what youve said about henderson there. he is quality. he is playing out of his natural position but ive still seen quality moments especially some of his passes
NZL_red


Yes he has played out of position but who's fault is that? Kenny obviously knew we were lacking on both wings yet he brought in one winger and one young center midfielder to play on the right? Doesn't make sense!

Corkpoolred


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:34:48
One Question How much say does Comolli have in the team, he is the one who has brought the players in for Dalglish. Is Kenny told he has to playhenew players etc {Ed002's Note - He has no say in who plays and who does not. That is the responsibility of the coaching and medical staff.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:32:34
Ok, were all disappointed but.....Isnt it Commolis job to look after transfers not KK,
I see a lot of KK bashing and fair enough lots of us have had enough of a few things but i dont see how we can put all the blame on kk for the transfers that have been made.....Surely thats Commolis business otherwise why the hell is he even here?!.........Id like to know who sanctioned all these transfers as if its KK then why is Commoli employed and if its Commoli then who did KK really want?........im sure there must be some sort of discussion about who we may/may not sign but surely between them someone is accountable....I personally think Commoli is too obsessed with opta stats.............
YNWA JFT96 The Guv 81-9 {Ed002's Note - There is pleanty in the archive that will explain how the management team work at Liverpool and will help you get all of this nonsense out of your head.}


DC scouts players - gives a list to kenny. Kenny says he wants this player, DC goes to the board and asks for the funds to sign this certain player and then all going well Kenny gets his man.


KK has veto on any transfer - all transfers are ultimately his.

As Comolli said - why would he sign a player the manager didn't want - it would be a waste of money if the player was never picked and would reflect badly on him - he wouldn't be doing his job properly. Common sense really.

So as ed002 said, get all this nonsense out of your head.

BJH YNWA. (seems like excuses are wearing thin if this is the best that people can manage to defend KK with...)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:32:30
If this is progress then you can keep it,what a waste of time and energy backing kennys flops,LFC will never walk alone but kenny,Adam,Henderson,Kuyt,Downing can all "jog On"


I live in Liverpool and Scousers don't use the term " Jog On" but I know they use it in Mancland mmm :(
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:29:11
Do you think any players will want to leave liverpool this year two years without champions league quality players might think they can go to a 'bigger club' im sure lucas suarez reina could attract interest


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:27:15
I'm just curious as to what fans would have posted on this sight had the last 15 minutes not taken place. Superlatives would have probably been thrown around...I don't want to live on this planet anymore
NextGenRed


Good call. Too bad they DID take place, just like every other event did this season. You sound like Kenny. Enough said


Rubbish - Our starting XI alone was enough for me to know we were going to be bad. Just like Sunderland.

The subs were a joke, that he has players on the bench that we will not play is amatuerish.

I wrote at half time that even if we managed to scrape a win, I wouldn't feel okay, because the team selection finally showed me that he can't be trusted.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Tell that to Kenny.

Do you understand just how bad QPR are?
As pointed out too - the last 15 minutes did happen - and what happens in those 15 minutes actually affects the end result.

Didn't you know that? 90 minutes - there can also be added time to account for injuries, subs etc.

Superlatives most certainly would have not been thrown around either, not by me anyway. It was clear to see that our selection was awful.

If you can't see that - you're in the same frame of mind as KK - who by his own admission does not have any answers.

BJH YNWA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:23:18
hey lfc fans..

i think the players need to stop coming out on tv or articles saying they will do this and that.
because THEY NEVER DO..

basically............after last night..............someone will say we shouldnt have lost that game...and we will put this right and do everything we can to win a competition!

its always geared towards a cup game ..where all the players play well..and concentrate for 90 mins...

but for league games...just so average
liverppol only have a killer instinct against the bigger teams

nothing will change next season with kenny in charge...
until liverpool find a manager who will build a mentality that qpr, swansea, west brom..is just as important as playing rela madrid or man utd........then lfc will never get close to the title

guys seriously..........does anyone else feel slightly embarassed how far man utd are in points............with 2 crap brazilians as full backs...anderson...carrick....old man scholes...cleverley, johnny evans...in their squad? i mean really?

right now i agree with some of last nights posts...that lfc are a mid table team..cos those teams dont care about the league...and there big performances are always against the big boys......

red lobster


Were building a team that will have the pass and move of Barca and the determination of Bilboa. What we don't want is a short term fix and become Flat Track bullies like the mancs who give them their due go to town on the QPR's of this League but struggle against a good side. But it will take time; but the end result will be worth it. And a couple of Trophy's while in transition will be be a really good achievement as some of the more expensive and established squads will end up with nothing!
kidmillions


Kidmillions.

What are you on? Anything left? We don't want to be top of the league? In two EC finals in 3 years? The dominant side in English football over the past 20+ years?

BJH YNWA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:22:05
well, i know we lost but, this is how i want downing to play. i guess with a bit of confidence players can play better. hope this continues.

but lose when ur 2 nil up, it wont help i guess, wont do any good to the teams confidence, just when we won against everton and stoke..

well i guess, because winning when ur 2 nil up is too mainstream...

Kaizer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:21:19
The fact that there are more people coming on here criticing a loss then there are when celebrating a win, says it all.
So I figure these people musn't care when Liverpool win?
You remind me of a QPR fan at work, he turned down his ticket as he thought they'd lose and thought it not worth going as he'd get home late!? (I know). Now they won he's all over it this morning emailing me photos of QPR celebrating and saying he should have gone.
I replied if he had gone he would have walked out when they were 2-0 down anyway and the fact he never bothered going to "support" his team as he thought they would lose just goes to show the mentality of some "fans".
Why do some people treat it as Footie Manager? Just thinking to sack the manager and start all over again, and if they don't do as you expect immediately - what then? Have you even thought about that or will you just critisise their appointment and demand for their sacking on a forum? How long does this go on?
New manager every year? Just because they change around judges on that Britains Got Talent and other stuff you watch this doesn't apply to football.
Just because you upgrade to the latest Iphone each time as it is slightly more shiny - this philosphy doesn't work in football.
You get my point? We are in a society where everyone wants things now, you are applying this to long term football success, "change it, sell it" blah blah It just won't work like that.
Joehoover


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:20:15
There really are a lot of people on this website who should f'in get out more.
Fantastic ground and atmosphere last night, good football match, Liverpool actually played some good stuff and should have been out of sight. And Jay Spearing about gets my MoM.
But hey ho.
I hope that QPR stay up, cos I'd definitely like to go again soon.
The Real KB


Proper Supporter Talking!
kidmillions


If only atmosphere and great football won matches and titles eh. While you are having a wonderful time losing the rest of the league are laughing at us.

Me? I will never be happy losing because i have a winners mentality. Shanks and bob would not be happy losing.


Jay Spearing man of the match, he was outplayed by Diakite is it?


I said it at half time - I'll say it now - Shaun Derry looked world class. Pathetic.

BJH YNWA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:19:25
Are You Sure

Firstly Rafa, had us playing awful boring football, got rid of Xabi.., do you remember that !
Roy took us lower still
We now play great football without a finisher to complete the job.., hopefully summer sorts that out
Wembley twice maybe thrice
Cup on mantelpiece and another to follow ?
Rather have that than 5th 6th and probably even the golden 4th place..
Keep the faith

Pistol Pete


Totally agree! We are on our way to becoming the Barca of English football.
If Kenny asks the owners to break the bank in the Summer for say Llorente and Munian I think they would give him it.
kidmillions


He played winning football and also brought xabi....


And you are blind if you do not see bigger problems than a lack of finisher. finishers do not prevent the teams from crumbling when 2-0 up, nor do they force uninterested players to be passionate.


Where will this finisher come from? Do you think any decent striker will be interested in joining our battle for a top 10 place next year?


We are not even close to playing anything like Barcelona.

Steve


If you dont want to finish in the top 4, then why are you moaning about losing...

be happy with what you have its everything you want.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:19:11
Ok it was a bit disappointing that let a two goal slip last night but to abuse the players and kenny after a defeat is out of order. He is our only manager to win anything for 6 yrs so answer that one critics? Also a semi to look forward to.

He has made some quality signings, some take longer than others to bed in but we have a young side who are taking time to gel. There is no quick fix
in football whether you like it or not its about building a squad. Kenny has picked this club up from its knees and he is doing a great job. He probably over achieved last season considering the squad we had. I mean when he took over we were eighth from bottom. I mean it takes a few years to get a squad like the top sides but i really do believe in this squad and manager. Maybe a few tweaks in the summer.

We have got a game at the weekend and we need to try and get three points but there is no given in football has some clowns believe.

But the fickles and doom mongers you really need to sort your heads out and start supporting the club,players and managers.

Mighty reds


Spot on.
kidmillions


Thank god there are some sensible people commenting now the kneejkerkers have got it all out of their system.


Kenny is not playing the correct formation. throughout his career he has tinkered with his teams too much and changed it to match opposition, and its never worked. yes he won the league with blackburn, but he lost the last game of the season to liverpool and was lucky it didnt matter.

he needs to just play our strongest 11 and watch us tear apart opponenets instead of messing about

other than that i have no complaints!
(except Charlie Adam, of course)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:17:24
Let's face it - WE snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!
Dutchmal


Thats one way to put it!

AG


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:16:57
Lighten up its not that bad

4th was never on

Losing builds character

After Kenny buys some more players in the summer we'll be able to make top 6 next year

We are are work in progress

The progress has been slower than expected but we'll get there some day lose the now or next season syndrome

Trust in Kenny


All we ever say is a few more players a few more players and that's all well ever say with kenny buying s**te


'work in progress'?

how is aiming from top 4 to top 6 as youve just mentioned, progress?


"Losing builds character"

Swindon Town must have had loads of character back in '94.

Good to see eveythings fine.

BJH YNWA


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:15:18
Alot are fans are turning to ''Fickle'' Yes losing is frustrating but at least we are playing football again. Granted it is far from perfect but we are re-building a team, the boss needs time. Did we really expect to finish in the top 4 this season ? United,City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs far superior starting XI and squad players ! We have won a cup which no Liverpool fan was moaning about on the day, we are in a semi final of the FA Cup. Can you imagine if we get back into Champs League we would be embarrassed.

Lets be patient get behind the team take the rough with the smooth and in time we will get back to the top level where we challenge for Top 4.

True Fan


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:14:51
Eds,
why is dalglish happy with his squad?
7th 12 points off top 4! {Ed002's Note - Obviously I cannot answer this. Why does Kenny have his parting on the left? Why does Kenny dress to the right?}


Hi Ed 002 - How do you know that Kenny dresses to the right?
DM2012 {Ed002's Note - It is in one of his training videos.}


Lol, post of the day already.
Send yourself one of your hampers ed.
Or better still, donate it to a worthwhile charity like www.feedachelseamanageronthestreets.com
The Real KB


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:11:23
Im still shocked from last nights result, but we need to put everything perspective.
We played really well for most of the game and they were showing us some real respect. Personally I believe that taking Suarez off was the fatal mistake.

within minutes of him being removed , the whole QPR team breathed a sigh of relief. Their defense moved up 20 yards, knowing full well that even if we hoofed a long ball up into their half, they would still beat Kuyt and Carroll to the ball.

This immediately put pressure on our own back four.

I also thought Reina was poor last night, he did not come out and command his area for corners or crosses, which made our defense uneasy.

I dont know what the answer is but taking Suarez off last night was the pivotal moment, and within no time they had scored two goals. I hope kenny and his team learn from this as it is not the first game where we have blown it in injury time.....

Cmon Kenny get this lot sorted and stop putting us under pressure by taking key players off right near the end....PLEASE !

Tel 1949


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:10:00
I'm so sick of people saying keep the faith in what? a team of players that talk lot's of the pitch but on it do very little.Liverpool are where they belong in 7th and soon they will be even lower. We are 30 points behind Manchester United and in the cold light of day this is a joke. Next season we will sign players who offer little more than we have allready got for example Luuk DeJong Not an exciting player will just be another expensive flop. Do our American owners really know just how far from the top we really are?

Another wasted season, while the Mancs make it 20.

Ex Loserpool Fan.

Marc


If that's the kind of fan you are I pity whichever e team you decide to support next.


We are all angry and upset but for you to just dump your team and call them loserpool overnight is pathetic! We don't need the likes if you so jog on mate! If you even supported LFC in the first place and are not from another team just coming on here trying to be a wind up merchant!

K.Bennett


I believe that Looserpool is an expression used by arsechelmu fans - not fans of LIVERPOOL.That is certainly a bad marc for you sunshine. By the way it is 28 not 30.
DM2012


Calm down mate.

You can expect more of the same till the end of the season, The team has no quality and no deepth to it, being saying it now for a long time.

I predicted we would beat everton and stoke and then lose again, its a familar pattern.


Kenny and his buys will have to go.

Hendo is never going to be a world beater he may be the England U21 captain and he may improve somewhat but he's limited.

Carroll no hope for him the way Liverpool plays. Carroll for his own Career needs to move on.

Downing too old now to make a massive improvement.

Coates not seen as a player who the current management team trusts and looks shaky when he does play.

Summer may bring changes, there is always hope!


LMAO at this helmet.
The Real KB


Is your name Marc or Manc? Go and waste your time supporting someone else!
kidmillions


Really don't know how people disagree, we are 7th fact, this hasn't happened over night where coming to the end of the season and the mancs will probably make it 20. or are you looking at kennys league table here he's covered the 6 above us with his hand


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:08:46
Morning Eds
After our collapse last night do you expect many changes to the team over the coming games?
Personally I don't understand why

a.KK moved Carragher to right back when Flannagan was available.
b. do you think Coates should be given a run of games now at centre back with Skrtel to get some kind of understanding as Carragher isn't for the future is he
c. Would you carry on playing Charlie Adam? He sets plays are woeful, he seem to run out of steam later in games. We have Henderson and Shelvey who could play instead of him
d. Without Suarez, bellamy and Maxi we are lacking something different in midfield and upfront escpecially when Gerrards not having his best game. Would you bring Sterling into the squad and start giving him some game time?

Id be interests in your thoughts

thanks

RedDan {Ed002's Note - I would not expect mass changes at all.}


If there are no mass changes then liverpool are finished.


I think the worst thing that happened with the mass change was the use of English instead of Latin.
DM2012 {Ed002's Note - Post of the day. Hamper is in the post.}


I expect kenny to keep playing his same team and tactics and expecting different results, he's the definition of madness you know


Nice posts mates.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:08:29
I raised this question few weeks ago,if we are still work in progress and the owners and the manager know about this then why the hell are they promising fans CL qualification is the must?? What the owners and KD said about CL qualification that's is must,the reason behind this is simple KD thought the players he bought would bring him CL football,and probably he went to owners with these players list,now who is to blame,the fans or the board? The board raised the bar and fans incl myself expected to be delivered,if u think the team is for future and work in progress then they should have not raised the expectation

One poster posted that KD is not strict in training and too friendly with players,when Rafa who only meant business and the best for club,people said his man managment was poor incl some players,for Rafa the club came first then any individual,wether u call that stubborness or whatever,even though he was wrong in selling alonso I'm sure had he had money to replace him before he sold him he would have done and he didn't have that option that's why he bought aquilani who is a good player but unfortunate was injured when he came

I come over here read the post and put my opinion across,KD is legend but not good manager when he was appointed last season on temp measure I was happy but never was convinced on his full appointment,he was out of managment for more then 10yrs and something people to think about,we had samy lee last season,he left this season makes me wonder was he the man players liked?I'm sure Rafa brought him for a reason

Lastly I would still say and keep on saying wether this post gets posted or not BRING BACK RAFA BENITEZ....!!

Ps if anyone ask Birmingham fc supporters that what would have they preffered to win carling cup or stayed in premier league,I'm sure what would be their answer so those who are happy with carling cup ask yourself a question,aren't you ambitious about your club or you are as happy as KD with carling cup??


This whole post is in retrospect! Your so clever :(
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 09:03:28
not really a rumour, more just a point I'd like to make, some fans may think this a bit strong but personally I think every single player that has been signed since Kenny has took over has been a failiure (Suarez included) we need a massive summer clearout and we have yet more 'deadwood' in the likes of Adam, Carroll, Henderson and Downing. I'm not sure if it is Kenny or Damien Comolli in charge of the transfer policy, but whoever it is needs to look at themselves. We need a whole new approach in the summer or we will fall even further behind, we cant afford to just throw another £100 million away.


Totally agree.
I think Suarez is great, but he should have stronger players in front of him.


Its about time we put our history on the back burner !! Its about time we started making it again but I think its a long time off !!!!!!!


Enrique anyone?


More unsigned Nonsense!
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:50:06
Just wanted to see if anyone has any info on the future of Jay Spearing?
I really don't think he is good enough and am hoping he will be shipped out.

Prelen


You clearly have no idea what your talking about


What games you been watching recently? best player on pitch last couple of games. If he was brazilian, we paid 10 million for him and his name was Spearinginho you would all love him.

FowlerisGod


Ill keep him as a squad player.

Kaizer


Spearinginho!thats brought a smile to my face well done you

King luis


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:47:24
In the cold light of day and the anger from last night subsided just a few thoughts.
Kenny got it right for the first 77 minutes,2-0 up playing good football just not enough quality in front of goal.
The players must take the blame for the lack of concentration and obviously thinking the game was won.
Do they practise corners in training we win so many during games but waste every one?
Am I being unfair to suggest that Reina did not seem to move to even try to save any of the 3 goals?
Why when Kelly got injured did we not make a like for like change and give Flanaghan a chance?
On a positive note great goal from Coates and good flowing football played.

Very disappointing result but not the end of the world lads,improvement needed and hopefully it will come we have waited a long time,lets keep the faith keep the support going and at the end of the day whatever happens I will still be there supporting my team hope you are all going to do the same.

Derek


Also, it is no coincidence that we have started shipping goals since JC came back into the team.

Tommy Walsh


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:39:49
Ed please tell me that kenny could well leave in the summer? People blame players such as henderson, adam etc but it was kenny who bought them {Ed002's Note - It is not worth me giving my opinion on the matter again due to the amount of abuse that will follow. A lot of posts are already being cut due to their views on Dalglish.}


Kenny didn't buy them; the Club did; Kenny hasn't got that type of money.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:39:23
unfortunately,a player named VENKATESH who plays for Bangalore football club in India,passed away due to cardiac arrest.these poor football clubs dont have the cash to afford a proper doctor.pray for his family
RIP VENKATESH
INDIAN SCOUSER


No doctors present at the ground and the ambulance blocked in by bikes!!
So sad. R.I.P

FowlerisGod


There wasnt even an ambulance available.he was taken to hospital in a rickshaw.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:37:47
I feel sad for Kenny, this is the reason I don't wanted Kenny as the permanet manager. He is getting lots of stick and and to be fair he will, at Liverpool we have high expectations and fans will voice their concerns if the ship is drifting apart away from its destination. And our minimum stanadrd is top 4 and 7th or midtable finish is not good enough especially with the fact Kenny had spend 100M to take us to top 4.

I don't know what Kenny is thinking of these players he brought in, well majority of them. They are just not good enough, their hefty price tags won't mean they are quality players. Kenny certainly has high expectations and a plan for them, but what a disgrace they have been. Its waste of time explaining how shi*t they have been and they are. Look at Henderson, I don't see any differnce between Shelvy and Him if there is any diffrence Shelvy is better, than Adam, Downing & Carroll,
Well a long term plan, needs time.

If anything Kenny is to do in the ssummer step down in a nice maanner if Kenny don't want to give up then at least wake up, stop favouring his signings and make some decent quality signings, not overated british talents any more.

And for the real, passionate and patient Liverpool fans on here,
Destined for seventh heaven, not bad, not bad et all..eh

Shankly's pet dogs great great grand dog Elisha SPD3GDE


All that Barking! Has given me a headache!
Get your tail from up your Ass and give it a wag! "There now that feels better doesn't it" A positive dog is a Happy Dog!
Kidmillions dog Fido..


 

 

22 mar 2012 08:37:31
come in number twenty-three - your time's up!!
dm2012


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:25:20
The most frustrating thing? Looking at the league table & seeing the Gunners in 3rd spot, considering how they started. That could & with more consistency & luck should have been us. Last night we thought we had it won, against Arsenal we were mugged, in fact our whole season has been a bad luck story. I'm hoping that we see a glimpse of a few kids here & there until the end of the season. We have the Europa League spot in the bag so let's see what some of them can do. Give Flanno a few games, let Sterling come on in a game we've more or less won ( if there is such a thing). Now that we've no chance of a CL spot, we will probably go on an unbeaten run. The way our season is going, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

The Irish Rover


Stop with the excuses

Plain & Simple we are just not good enough


Kenny and the players he bought are just not up to it.


You make your own luck,not moan about bad luck !!!!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:24:55
Now tell me what is the use of wins against arch rivals Man Utd, Everton and likes? ...Personally, I'm better off winning games against other 14 teams then giving away everything against these 4 teams .. wtf ! ..what is wrong with our lads god only knows .. I may get sticks for saying this but I'll like to see us in 2nd half of table ..then only it'll shake living day lights out of the lads x-(


Limited players can't be shook to play better

They are doing their best


If thats there best then that will be the last game i watch this season.


You didnt beat utd in the league this season, we got 4 points off of you's which will win us the league. thanks!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:15:28
After yesterdays game it's not the results we are getting what worries me.
When you buy average players you get average results.

What worries me most are Dalglish's comments about the performance level and the quality of his squad.

Kenny Dalglish:
"[B]The players here have done fantastically well[/B] and if anyone is going to come in the will have to be a hell of a player to do better than what they have done.
These boys are in pole position, they are sitting there comfortable, [B]none of them can be disappointed with what they have contributed this season[/B]."

Really Kenny?
"The players have done fantastically well"? yeah right Kenny they couldn't have done any better eh?!

That's really ridiculous. We have spent over 100 Million and are nowhere near top 4 never mind top of the table!
It's obvious that the team hasn't done well this season.

"None of them can be disappointed with what they have contributed this season"
--> wasn't the target CL spot this season?
So we are happy if we don't reach our targets?

And finally, what's the problem then when it is not the performances of the players?
missing luck? the referees? the woodwork? weather conditions?

Kenny, please open your eyes, this season will not be good enough, even if we win the FA CUP!
It's obvious!
This can not be the REAL Kenny Dalglish!?


Look Kenny can't tell the truth.

Kenny can't say I bought a load of " "
and they are just rubbish, I tell ya I could not have got any bleedin worse.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:03:51
How can we expect to attract top players when we can't hold onto a 0-2 lead against a relegation battling team.


Do you think that prospective signings analyse every match that we play. Manchester United have lost three matches this season so is no-one going to sign for them. Losing a 2 goal lead was unnecessary but these things do happen - when was the last time it happened? The fact is that the second and thirds goals came after mistakes by two of our stars this season. At the moment we can't have a good attacking performance and a good defensive performance in the same match - be patient - IT WILL COME - and sooner rather than later.
Dutchmal


 

 

22 Mar 2012 08:01:56
We didn't Score when Adam was on the pitch and when he went off injured we scored.

We take Suarez off and QPR score 2 goals.

I know this is a simplification but what im trying to say is that I think Kenny and Steve's tactical decisions are poor. Why not start with Suarez, Carroll and Gerrard together - they playing together have got the most goals..

Also I've been to quite a few games this season and watched the majority and im amazed how many times we have conceded from Corners and Crosses (id like to see that Stats, because i bet the majority of our goals conceded have been from Corners or Crosses) - now either the defenders are to blame for not attacking the ball
or Reina isn't commanding his area and attacking the ball himself - im starting to think that some peoples view that Reina has no competition for his place is the reason for his poor form.

YNWA jns


Reina is poor and has been all this season.

He pandering for a move.

If you don't want to ddo a job do it badly, its the best way to be moved on or put in another job.


Ive said it before people who say Reina is Liverpools best ever keeper are MAD ! He's not the fourth best we ever had.If we can get 20mil for him I'd sell him tomorrow !


What a ridiculous statement, if Reina wanted to move then doing his job poorly wouldn't help him at all, who would want to buy a keeper who has performed poorly?


Manchester United did.
DM2012


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:58:42
What is this nonsense about players like Raheem Sterling not being ready due to the physicality of the premier league blah blah blah.....Rubbish.....has anyone actually watched a prem game this season, no-ones allowed to tackle anymore!, players with pace will always do well and we have a side that dosnt possess any,
Why oh why are we always linked to a hatful of youngsters too when were the least likely side in the land to blood any of them!, ive lost count how many good prospects weve had that dont even get a run out when things are bad, each to their own on the opinions front were all LFC followers and were entitled but we must be the slowest side in the league!, lets have some fresh legs on and having a go, whats the worst case scenario.....they look out of place and it dosnt work...........cant be any worse than some of what weve been seeing this season at times, yeah yeah we all know were playing nice pass and move football and its fair to say its a joy to watch at times.....but im afraid to say that the majority of the time were like watching a toothless pitbull........With youth comes exuberance and no fear......YNWA JFT96 The Guv 81-9


Hold on someone else has the copyright on the word nonsense, did you get permission!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:49:57
Honestly....playing the way we have and the way we do,we'll never get in the top 4,and thats the truth..rose tinted glasses off....enrique started off excellent,but lately seems to of lost all confidence,runs in circles,bad touches/passes..little jay..100% commitment,passion anything for the cause...but liverpool quality...i just dont think so...when jamie's at the back,unlike most lfc fans i worry about leaking goals..great servant..but i think he unsettles the defence.no one knows were there ment to be,he's out of position,other players covering were he's ment to be...charlie adam,sub..enough said when i look at the quality midfield we've had,to what we have now...mid table is a realistic dream...


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:48:11
Hey ed's and fellow LFC fans can someone please tell where we have improved because I can't see it,and before someone says we won a cup,I say we were lucky we are slowly if not already become a mid table side and that pains me to admit our devotion to KK is blinding us to the fact he's not upto the job simples,any other person lost the way we have would be gone cheers pk


Just as well they engrave the phrase "but were lucky" on the cups o you can always remember that instead of enjoying a win.


Even though we won the cup i did not enjoy watching the game,we was poor and have been poor the last couple of seasons.
we are a big joke of a team lead by a deluded manager.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:45:08
I for one was embarrassed yesterday. Losing I can handle, but when you lose like that to a bottom 3 team, it is embarrassing.

On the whole I can see we are playing more attractive football and creating chances. I believe we are progressing, but the lack of a top quality finisher has really hurt us.

Of the youth set up there are some good players coming through. Of the ones that I think can make the step up now, I feel Suso is definitely ready and Adorjan should be given the chance to shine.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:41:29
weak up in the morning and see Kenny Resign and end of an emotional Era. it was a mistake to let Rafa go that time and appoint Hodson. he take us to relegation, Kenny help to bounce back. now Kenny take us to no 10 place . good job kenny after use £110m. bye the way did we really practiced to handle corner. a lots of goal been scored in our net from corner. man marking and post standing is very much wrong.

rock.


When Rafa left us in....7th! See a pattern here, started during Rafa's reign


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:21:20
When the offical liverpool website does not let you submit comments on yeasterdays match tells you the ammount of abuse kenny is getting. He is such a rubbish manager i just feel he has wasted so much money on rubbish he has set us back five years.


If they let people like you on! God knows how many years that would set us back.
Were supposed to be The Best Supporters in the World! Start behaving like one..
kidmillions


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:17:47
At the end of the day, no matter how distraught I am about a result, I am so grateful that this is the club I fell in love with. It's a beautiful thing.

YNWA from Texas


Some fans don't realise how lucky we are in that respect. It's just a pity that we're not so lucky on the pitch as well.
Dutchmal


 

 

22 Mar 2012 07:08:39
7th place, 110 million spent loosing to championship quality teams wheres the yellow line at the bottom of the sky sports screen saying kenny has been sacked. Top 4 is gone now we are closer to a relegation battle then top 4.Kenny you are judged on results in the league and players signed.And the players you have signed are not fit to wear the shirt. The results should have got you sacked months ago. I paid silly money to travel to qpr and will not be paying to watch any more games while kenny is there. I hear rumours he will go soon i cant wait.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:56:22
Been told Fenway will hold a meeting today to discuss poor league position. I think they might ask Kenny to step down as Henry has always said after the money they spent top 4 was a must and now we are closer to the bottom 3 then the top. We are not 4th not 5th not 6th but fighting swansea for 7th.


Your lying aren't you? You havn't been told anything! Idiot..


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:54:55
I think it's fair to say on last nights showing, that KD is just not the man for the job. If people think the league cup is an improvement then get real, the league form is shocking.
At this rate we will be lucky to finish in the top 10 and have no chance of top 4
If liverpool's owners have any sense, they will go all out to get the special one, who in the past has admitted he would love to manage Liverpool
KD will never get top 4, the players he has bought are just not quality enough, and to be fair, his team selections and tactics over the season have been weird and bizzare are times.....Time for change!


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:49:38
It's not the results we are getting what worries me.
When you buy average players you get average results!

What worries me most are Dalglish's comments about the performance level and the form of his squad.

Kenny Dalglish:

"The players here have done fantastically well and if anyone is going to come in they will have to be a hell of a player to do better than what they have done.

"These boys are in pole position, they are sitting there comfortable, none of them can be disappointed with what they have contributed this season.

This comments are ridiculous!
He has spent 100 million on new players and we are still nowhere near the top 4!
It's obvious that LFC has not done well this season!
Liverpool Football Club can not be happy when they are 28 points off top!

The players have done fantastically well...
Yeahh right Kenny they couldn't have done any better!
haha just laughable

What's the problem then? the luck? the referees? the weather conditions?

Kenny please open your eyes, this can not be the real Kenny Dalglish!?

Everybody sees the obvious except you and your staff!


(please post this eds, it has to be said)
Cheers


Its the witches spell

Someone has cast some Vodoo over LFC


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:40:40
"rafa played defensive football which was boring to watch" Well, the game versus QPR was much more enjoyable to watch, wasn't it? I'm running out of patience...

redkenyan


Run out of patience ages ago

lost the faith


I am running out of patience years already....i wish LFC be more consistent ....just look at swansea ....never die attitude ......all the players play as if it is a cup final


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:29:41
In last 6 matches our form
D L L L W L
it is the same as wolve and bolton


Now thats what i call progress.
bring back rafa


I call progress if our form shows
W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W = Home fixtures

W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W
W W W = Away fixtures

Would this be impossible ? I dont think so........................
Dont bring new managers but bring faith , confidence and never die attitude in mind, body and spirit .......IT WILL WORK.........
Example : the faith , confidence and never die attitude is with Sir Alex .....who will scream with motivation to his players... (Though i dont like MU but just look at the players ......)


 

 

22 Mar 2012 06:18:18
If QPR can score 3 goals against LFC ,then We have real problem.Kenny cannot speak about luck,this is lack of quality,but we win Carling cup ,everything is OK?No it is not OK,We are LFC and We should not be satisfied with that.We have to be better and Kenny must not hide behind a lack of luck.Problem begins to solve the moment you admit to have it,so Kenny be brave and say
truth.Serbian red


 

 

22 Mar 2012 05:23:59
im soory people, i know you will have a go at me for this, but Pepe Reina, is useless, he can kick a ball yes, but other then that he doesnt do anything. We need a new GK, he keeps making silly mistakes, crap at saving penalties. Should of let him go when we had the chance!im sorry but its how i feel. IN kk we trust. its not the managers, get rid of ADAMS, CARROLL AND REINA.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 05:21:30
How long will the owners put up with this insipid team? I hate myself for even thinking it but Kenny has bought bad and something has to change-too many poor results and a lack of goals (how many corners do we have and do nothing with-we may as well give it to their keeper) Know I will get slated by the clapping seals but please there must be someone out there....


 

 

22 Mar 2012 04:37:24
Fair credit to QPR as they quite simply wanted the 3 points more than we did- don't think it can be seen any other way.

I'm not one to slag off KK and no disrespect intended, but I can't really understand the constant refrain that we're 'unlucky' and frankly am a bit tired of hearing it. Luck has nothing to do with it, especially not this game, it was simply a matter of limited desire and concern from the team as a whole for the last 20 minutes when we thought we had won it.

Brilliant strike by Coates though- perhaps he can give a lesson on finishing to the forwards and midfielders!

Also, have to say I can't quite figure out what's up with Reina these days. He just looks so immobile lately- never coming out for a cross, free kick, or corner and for me this makes everyone of those situations really nervy.

RDL


 

 

22 Mar 2012 03:07:52
Here an interview John Cena did with Jimmy Traina, he talks about the job John Henry's team have done at the red sox.

"Everybody, especially in the Boston area, literally wants me tried as a witch and burned at the stake," Cena said. "And I admire that about true Boston fans. Boston is a fantastic sports city."

Cena said of the Red Sox, "Fenway Park was a very different atmosphere when I used to go," he said. "And I've seen that place become a destination. I've seen it become a place where you go and buy a pink ball cap and a pink T-shirt and you don't know anybody on the team and you just enjoy the game...The Red Sox also by design have become the team that the Red Sox used to hate. They've become the Yankees," he told Traina. "They spend mega, mega money on talent and usually nine out of 10 times they're in a bidding war with the Yankees for talent."

Cena noted that he still follows the Sox, though. "I'm a sports fan. I still watch the Sox," he said. "I get NESN at the house. I still hear RemDawg [Jerry Remy] call the games. … I guess, like I said earlier about my character, I've always been me. When someone changes that drastically, it's like, 'Ah the franchise turned their back on me as a fan. We used to be a bunch of rugged bums. Now we're a bunch of high end guys.' I don't know, it's tough."


Here's hoping they turn us into ... Wait....we're Liverpool Football Club. We are already the Yankees! ;p. I get your vision though - I trust them - remember John Henry's quote : "The fact is, LFC is going to require substantial investment, as did the Red Sox," Henry wrote. "All of NESV profits thus far have been poured into improving our business units and their facilities. There have been no profit distributions to partners since the inception [of NESV in 2001]." ... Under promise - Over Deliver.

Lee YNWA


Whats your point in posting this?


The point is FSG are bad owners?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 02:38:28
We are definitely improving....

Goaly - same standard

Defence - Agger and Sktrel (spell) getting better and even scoring goals, with coates as great backup

LB - Enrique a great improvement

RB - johnson returning and kelly rotating, surely on the up

CM - once Lucas is back and Gerrard back on form, we will be on fire (albeit have to wait for next season), with adam and henderson as backup.

LW - downing and Bellamy, up!

the only 2 areas are probably RW and ST, of which ST is the lesser prob.

KK got us a cup in his first year in charge and maybe second is coming.....

San


Do you really think a striker is the "lesser problem"??
We do need a right winger but our no.1 target must be a striker.
I did suggest in January that we should have bought Kevin Phillips just for the rest of this season.


Wake up, you are deluded.we are a big joke


Your improving dont make me laugh how does losing making you better what a plum


I totally agree with you mate,an we've got players like downing improving game by game and spearing proving his ability aswell,I'm excited about where were we are heading under kk,in my opinion the greatest Liverpool supporter there has ever been and ever will be YNWA Rodger the dodger


 

 

22 Mar 2012 02:32:15
What a goal from Coates! Who knew? Looks like these days anything can happen in football. Let's beat Wigan and go on!!!

HK


We will lose to Wigan,can't see this team beating anyone not with kennys tactics


 

 

22 Mar 2012 02:23:17
Totally shell shocked after tonight's game, but now that the dust has settled I think we were really good for most of the match, for 70 mins we played some really good ball, Spearing was excellent, Downing had a good game, Suarez was his usual hair raising self, our back 4 was a new combination and but for some bad luck and good saves the game could have been over by half time(sounds familiar) but at the end of it all nothing has changed were not going to make the top 4 and we need a quality addition up top, lets hope the owners can see this and loosen the purse strings come the summer, I still have 100% faith in Kenny, people calling for his head should be ashamed, success is not going to come instantly, especially with so many new players this season, roll on Wembley!!

Gman82


I am sorry.But did I read that you're telling us that Spearing was excellent.In what way was he excellent.He's put in the team to protect the back 4 and break up attacks.When the pressure came in the last 15 minutes he did neither.So let's get one thing said.In my opinion he's not a superstar in the making or even a great footballer.He's average and because of a lack of height and pace,he will never be more than average.Let's stop hyping our players up,or we will soon be excepting this standard of player.We were not unlucky last night.QPR smelt blood and went for it.And Jay Spearing was not excellent.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:58:44
Ed, I know you're worried about bringing Sterling in, as it may be too soon. But if you watched the Everton reserve game against us a couple of weeks ago. You'd have seen that Everton had Rodwell, Jagielka, Osman, Barkley etc, all playing. These are experienced PL players but yet again Sterling was the best player on the pitch and isn't afraid to get stuck in.

I just think, that now is the perfect time, to give him a few cameo parts. Maybe 15-20 mins each game until the end of the season.

Would you still wait or give him at least a place in the squad? Just like I would.

Thanks

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with that, read what I have said. It is about his physical maturity and his body's ability to cope with the stresses and strains of Premier League football. It is not the same as a ressie game in the slightest, the difference between them has grown massively in recent years. His body needs to grow up or we will just end up crocking him like we did Owen. I am very sure he could stand up to it ability wise and shine, but it would cripple him for the future.}


I'm not saying to start him Ed mate. Maybe he could play 15-20 mins in 3-4 of our remaining league games.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - I would be wary of even that, it tends to just cause more and more whines from the knee jerk fans. They think because a player can cope with a few minutes at the end of a game he is ready to play 90 minutes of every game. The player himself also becomes the subject of more and more Sly Sports hyperbole, until we have him built up into some kind of superhero, despite him never having played a full game. Then he has a run, doesn't perform, his confidence is shattered never to recover. Or he has to wait because he is not ready, but is hearing all the hype and decides he knows best and leaves. There are players who are closer to being ready than he is, Shelvey should have played tonight for instance, Sterling just isn't ready.}


I'm leaning towards the brainy male above(you two decide ;). Playing Sterling(*youth) for a few cameos would be less than stressful don't you think? Boost for the fans, no pressure(League position currently). I agree re his body and development - but as we stand right now, the opportunity is there.

Lee YNWA
{Ed001's Note - and we have young players that are ready, he is not, let's give those that are ready a chance, not someone who isn't. The right back, Mclaughlin for instance, Coady, even Eccleston, though I am not convinced he is good enough. But they are all more physically mature and need a chance to see if they have any hope of a career with Liverpool. Suso and Adorjan as well, Emanuel Mendy is another one.}


I thought quick players peaked at younger ages. This is his best time to shine {Ed001's Note - best time? Seriously?}


Mclaughlin may be in the squad soon! :) We can't play Carragher at RB! Love the guy to bits - but not RB please!
Where do you think we'll finish Ed001? Plus, who do you think is going to miss out on 4th? Not just us ya know guys! Me - Whoever loses the London derby.

Thanks,

Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - I can't see us getting any higher than 6th now, just behind Spurs, who seem to have blown it now. I think the distractions of the England job have cost them dearly, they are certainly good enough to have stayed well clear of the rest. I think Chelsea will end up 4th, Arsenal 3rd.}


That will spoil a few (younger generation) fans dreams of getting Torres back Ed. I think if Spurs do miss our they're going to lose AT LEAST one of their top players. Ie Bale, Modric & VDV......and their manager. Brendan Rogers is going to be hot property this summer.

Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - I can only see Modric leaving out of those.}


It does help when your chairmain is Daniel Levy! But we'll see this summer i guess. No work tomorrow...or Fri! Liverpool didn't quite give me the perfect looong wekkend, but 27 points to play for...signing off - thanks for the replies Ed. Night.

Lee YNWA


Ha sterling is only just 17 if im correct, he is 2 years away from 1st team football, leave the lad to learn his trade and physically mature, he will be a world beater, in time, so will suso, he should in my opinion be given game time but maybe not until next season


Ed agree with some points, but haven't we played Flannagn who is of similar age and stature to Sterling?

Also I remember the likes of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs etc playing when they were very young.

Jonesred


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:55:24
Its easy to blame the manager for everything!.
If anything, KK is only guilty of trusting his players, and they let him down tonight.

I look forward to our FA cup semi, and pray that we make the final, so that can lift some of the gloom that currently surrounds our wonderful club.

Shankly's Red Army. {Ed003's Note - I think everyone should cheer up a bit,this has got to rate as one of my worst (negative) nights going }


Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart, And you'll never walk alone, You'll never walk.

LFC fans respect QPR, they respect our manager and they are happy go lucky people


Hi Ed03, shame man, I pity you having to work through all this, its a bit like a funeral on the page tonight.
I have been a fan for 37 years, experienced the highs and lows during that time.
King Kenny is my hero and will always be, and Liverpool is the team I love.
So what if we lost tonight, things will go on, the sun will rise tomorrow, and Liverpool FC will always be the greatest team in my eyes and heart.
I look forward to the next game, and the one after that, I do not dwell in the past, but always look fotward to a brighter future.
LFC for life!.
Shankly's Red Army. {Ed003's Note - okey dokey }


We keep having bad results against the bottom clubs , thats why we are unhappy and also "fans" who can not see kk is not doing the right things make me unhappy but keep the faith.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:50:41
Love watching Liverpool play - it may be frustrating when we lose but I'll still keep watching. Win or lose, I support Liverpool Football Club.


I know this guy who has miniature characters of all the players. Perfect detailed toys and when they lose he likes to take them upstair and lock himself in the bathroom with his toy.

He runs the bath untill it is full and start the dressing room speech. He shouts at them, he eye balls them, might even given them the ferguson hairdryer treatment.

His Mrs told me this story about him.

Then he drowns thems in the bath.

Im not sure if it mentally disturbed or brilliant.


Don't see anything brilliant about it


You really shouldn't be talking about your patients on a football forum Doctor.
Midsred


Thats a disturbed story


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:47:34
Well I don't know where to start with some of these so called Liverpool fans,its obvious to see that the majority of these clowns are muppets from other teams tryin to make real reds look like proper tools, in fairness there doin well cos so many of you are biting on there garbage anyway,but let's look at things in reality anyway,anyone who can't see the improvement in how the teams performing despite the league results needs to give there head a wobble,the amount of games we've been so unlucky not to win and the football we've been playing the majority of the time shows were on the right path with kk,it's been frustrating at times I know but kk came in when we were on are knees and sat through games watching without us barely creating a chance,we will see a much more dominant side next season with a little tweak here an there rest assured,now as for people slatin king kenny bow your heads in shame,this man is more than a football manager,he's part of the soul of this club and knows more about football than anyone who dares to question him,he might not get it right everytime but no one ever will,but he will take us back where we belong......and one more thing remember what he has done for us as a player,a manager and even more what he's done off the pitch for the people of are city so no matter what your opinions are always speak about the king with the upmost respect,I for one can see the way he's shaping us again and can't wait to see how things start to come together,to not speak about the king with respect no matter your opinion is high treason,and any true red already knows this......long live the king YNWA. Rodger the dodger


Whole-heartedly agree. Great post Rodger

cozinoz


Yes, well said bud.

Lee YNWA


The team KK took last season is by far better than the 1 we currently have and we've sept over £100m.


Unnamed joker - Poulsen, Cole, Konchesky, Jovanovic....need I say more

cozinoz


Yes we are improving despite the league table. We play s**t, and our new players are not worth 100 M £. It is a shame to watch how a man can spend 100 M £ and then make the team worse.


How well we play for 70 minutes means nothing unfortunately if the reults dont back it up. Sad reality is is this team is simply not good enough in its current form.

Steve


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:39:54
Coates should start as striker instead of Carroll. {Ed003's Note - good shout ;-) }


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:34:44
Have liverpool fans become evil. They picked on the londoner Roy Hodgson, making his time at anfield unmanageble. The fans didn't respect him and the players didn't respect him. Now the fans are turning on one of their own in Kenny Dalglish. That is worrying


That's just the fans, mate. The supporters will back KK until further notice.

cozinoz


Well said cozinoz...

Matt S - YNWA


Yeah it is not the Kings fault that he can spend 100 m £ and then make the team worse.


Roy hodgson was never good enough to begin with, and Kenny should never have been given this job this season. Fact is people are blinded by the trophies won 20 years ago when Kenny was in charge and blindly support him even though the results of this season are clearly not in his favour.

Steve


The reason why fans are turning on kenny is he keeps on saying how well we are doing after each game we lose,we have won 1 game out if 6 then he constantly plays poor perfoming players then says how great they are.his tactics have been baffling and just plain stupid.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:19:48
Who made the decision not to pay Raul Meireles? they must of known the player was worth 10 goals and 10 assists. The player in the team that seemed work as a partner for Luis Suarez. Up front he always managed to make good ghost runs, drawing people away for a goal to happen, or turning up in the right place to score a goal.

Champions league football must of been worth more than 12million transfer fee. The child Alberto Aquilani should have been another one that should been forced to play a season or half season here. Where lacking quality on the pitch, he have bodies. Those two players did have big of qyality {Ed001's Note - give it a rest, both were a waste of money, both were cowards who can't handle the Prem.}


Still better than what we got on the pitch now.lol {Ed001's Note - not in the slightest, they offered nothing bar the ability to shirk any kind of challenge.}


Have you seen the belly on aquilani his first game since xmas was against arsenal.
JJ blackpool


Er Ed I'm pretty sure Meireles is playing in the Premiership right now and for a team that's above Liverpool? {Ed001's Note - and being hated by Chelsea fans who think he is a weak link. So what is your point?}


Oh please, the eds are so blinkered some times, even when a post makes absolute football sense. So chelsea and Raul dont play in the epl eh? And more of a waste of money than charlie big ass Adam? {Ed001's Note - you might want to watch him play for Chelsea and hear how the Chelsea fans whinge about how rubbish he is before trying to be a smart arse, because you clearly have no idea.}


Why is theis first poster dragging up Miereles and Aquailani. Good grief, get a life man


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:15:08
its ridiculously obvious that we would have EASILY won that match with a standard 4-4-2 and NO CHARLIE ADAM like we have done the last 2 games, and like we did the back end of last season. Its gotten to the point i dont think even Kenny knows what formation we're playing


Kenny had not got a clue


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:56:16
Lets face facts, every thing starting falling apart when we got ride of our best coach. Thats right, Sammy Lee

Sammy Lee, was amazing for us and lfc let him down and asked him to move on. What goes around comes around kenny.

Our luck went bad on June 2011 when sammy Lee left by mutual consent. {Ed001's Note - hahahaha! Cheers for that, that really cheered me up reading that.}


Lol joke of the day


Sammy Lee posts on here Ed?

Well I'll be..........

LIVERPRES


Is that you Sammy?


As Mr Noname said "What goes round comes round". I think that we'll see that next season when luck that the opposition are having will return to us. One point I'd like to make is that many fans are writing about signing a clinical finisher. What we really need are players like Downing, Adam, etc, who do have this ability don't freeze when the goal is in sight. Too often they are in shooting positions in front of goal and then pass the ball out towards the wing. Downing appears to be realising this now and it has resulted in goals in the last couple of matches. We cannot continually expect the strikers to score all the goals - this does not happen in any team.
Dutchmal


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:26:17
for all the s**t they've done to the club, i think the biggest mistake Hicks and Gillet made was firing Rafa.


Did they fire him? I thought he left a sinking ship a bit like a fat rat once he had gotten all he could from it. Inter did fire him, but thats because he is clueless.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 01:10:15
Im becoming very angry with Dalgish his staff and this team. Look back to the start of the season and everyone was writing Wenger off for not investining in his squad sayin thats the end of Arsenal, but i tell you if he had a 100 million spent on players he would have done the treble this year Kenny and his purchases are joke! Enough Is Enough


Well wenger doesnt have the money or wage structure to get the people he would want. So he is trying to weather the storm. I think he should of left for Man City. Half his team ended up at city so it would of made sense. Wenger spends alot of time scouting players. he is obsessive about mointoring every player in world football. your only as good as your scouting system++++


Just because you have money to spend doesnt mean you can get whovever you want. at the time we spent all that money, we had no european football so the clubs could accept our fees but players would not want to come due to no european football and then fact that we have a sensible wage structure. the players we signed werent our first choices,still we just have to get behind them and show our support. if you think we arent improving then you are dreaming.
NZL_red


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:59:15
Guys. guys,

before kk took over, we were in deep trouble and needed at least 4 to 5 players (LB, LW, CM, ST, Good Reserve players).

Now we only need maybe 1 or 2 more players and we will be ready next season!

Keep the faith! YNWA!

San


Amazing how we still need LB, LW, CM, ST, of decent quality


I think you can call the season a success when at the end of may we have won 2 more trophies the united lol

TDAWG


"Amazing how we still need LB, LW, CM, ST, of decent quality"

from above me...

Jose Enrique and Jack Robinson are ...decent? Jose Enrique is class!

LW - Downing and Bellamy are doing a decent job this year

CM.. Lucas Leiva and Steven Gerrard are two top midfielders, Spearing is proving to be more than adequate as a squad player, Henderson has it all in his locker and plenty of time to piece it together, and Adam can play a blinder when he's on form.

ST- Suarez, Carroll, and our purchases in the coming summer seem to be geared here again... Bellamy as well.


Where's your point, mate!

McSnuggles


@McSnuggles: Downing, Carroll, Henderson? These are not top players buddy...They're extremely mediocre. If someone else had the financial backing that KD had, that person could not have bought any worse and wasted so much money...players for mid table team. We need a RW and a ST but gues what KD is probably gonna spend all the money on another CM...


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:41:59
Mark my words, next season if Liverpool stick with KD then they will be top of the Premier league with De Jong, Vargas and Tello all set to join in the Summer, these transfers are definite from reliable sources. PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2012/13


Your obviously a glass half full type of person and very delusional person aswell!


Lets aim for bottom of the premiership and when we get relegated, the fans can ask john henry if he wants to sell the club over to the fans. It would be a master plan

we can get ride of the americans by losing alot.


Dude you are either Kenny himself or another old guy with dementia. I'll be happy if we are still in top ten


If we stick with kenny, we will have sold off Andy carroll for a massive lose. I have a feeling he will be sold next season.


Throwing it out there De Jong looks proper gash


I'm pretty sure Vargas signed for Napoli. Plus De Jong is not likely to leave a club like Ajax and join a club who do not have Champions League football to look forward too, especially when a lot of clubs which do have that will be looking at him.
And Tello?? Where has that come from he is Barcelona's next big thing so why the hell would he leave the best club on the planet to join Liverpool?


Not Eduardo Vargas, but Juan Manuel Vargas of Fiorentina. I would be surprised if we followed up on our interest after signing Enrique, Downing and Bellamy for the left side.

Also, not Siem de Jong, but his brother Luuk of FC Twente. We have a long-term interest, so there is definitely a chance of this deal happening.

Tello will most likely stick with Barcelona. That story came out of a contract dispute and the fact that Liverpool has some of the Academy staff from Barcelona, so there is presumably some relationship there.


Thanks!

CSeiling


De Jong plays for twente


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:37:25
Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if we went into liquidation last year after all...id be stress free and still have me full head of hair ha. Damn you John Henry!


And anfield could of been turned into a nice shopping centre. You have such great ideas.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:37:18
I've just had a gander at our remaining fixtures, with all this talk of our last 9 games, "are we going to beat last years tally?". Do you realise that Kenny was in charge for the latter half of last year? He picked us up from our knees!

This year, thus far, has been one heck of a rolle-coaster! I'm going to take the highs and lows and with a bit of perspective, and realise that the futures bright....

1. Anfield refurbished(get YNWA pumping!)
2. Youth : Suso, Sterling, Coady, Silva all could feature sooner rather than later
3. Suarez wants to stay! #WorldClass
4. Gerrard has played more than 3 games in a row!
5. Sexy football is back
6. Our general play and swagger is up there with Swansea, Spurs and Arsenal. We are creating so much - end product will come, patience is a virtue for a reason.

Patience, like a lot of things in life, is a skill which can be learned - lets hope our squad 'learn' how to stick it in the onion bag! : P Let's do our bit as fans and I'm sure the boys will repay our faith in the long-run.

I love this club.

Lee YNWA


Hallelujah! Love your post, Lee. We didn't sign Aguero and we didn't win the league and we are not back in the CL......but KK has started off a project that will reap rewards hopefully next season.
I'm so bored of the negative bunch on here who are outraged after every loss or every time we hit the post. All clubs need time and investment to achieve success (look at Chelsea, Manu, ManC) and we are certainly on the right track despite the lows of this season.
LFC might not be back yet but we're on our way. Kenny is the right man for the job and we ARE the greatest club in the world. YNWA

cozinoz


Cozinoz, thats just the thing with LFC now, its always next year will be better, and for the most part it really has turned out that way. You say your so bored of the negative bunch? Well im pretty sure we are all bored of the head in the sand , blind faith bunch as well. It works both ways Im afraid!

Steve


Thats ok Steve - you go support someone else and I'll carry on supporting the greatest team on the planet - Liverpool FC

cozinoz


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:30:54
Hey guys, first time poster long time reader, in my honest opinion I think Kenny should be moved upstairs further into the club and the club bring in a young manager that has a good philosophy about the modern day game, my opinion would be Brendan Rodgers from Swansea, look at the results he has gotten this year with very little money in terms of transfers, and they easily play the best football in the league

Thanks guys YNWA

TDAWG


I thought that might happen tonight, Sometimes a manger can't lose all of the time, tonight it was QPR time to come together as a team and beat liverpool like the dogs they are.

Its amazing how QPR didn;t roll over and play dead for the so called bigger team. The way Everton did. I knew that win was just papering over the cracks.

The biggest crack being Gerrard. He cause most of our problems. someone needs to make him play at the back with the defenders, he might stay in position.

Well Done QPR


Tactics mean everything, charlie Adam has been garbage this season, I would've played hendo before him, and in a game where you dominate corners and whip brilliant balls into the box from crosses, why isn't the big man there, have Liverpool lost a game when Suarez, Gerard and Carroll have started? In the end you don't change a winning team, unless force to by injury


Sorry forget to tag my post

TDAWG


Lol you really don't know anything, do you


Im sorry but please enlighten me with your vast football knowledge, because QPRs fans had rolled over, bagging their team every time they passed a ball at one stage, we absolutely dominated the game, then when we were 2-1 up Kenny takes off Suarez for Carroll, when Suarez had terrorized QPR, I remember watching man utd rolling over like dogs for the bigger team when they got hammered at home by city


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:30:35
Re the talk thats its the players fault not the managers:

This manager bought the players, with a very substantial budget

This manager selects the players (hello Big Time Charlie Adam)

This manager decrees the tactics

This manager gets to make 3 changes at any time in a game

This manger engineered himself the job with his pre Hodgson comments

This manager should be judged on his league position ("our bread and butter") and not on the vagaries of cup draws

This manager has accumulated 3 more points than Brendan Rogers at Swansea


Thats not fair, Swansea have a better team than us and a whole country backing them against the english.

Every game has a us against the b-st english feel about it. Something the english wont know about, but every other country around the world hate them. {Ed003's Note - Eh ?? }


Well ABV tried the same thing and they shi-canned him too. It doesn't matter if you have a plan,

Plus Kenny didn't get to pick who he wanted. He got to pick who they wanted. Its a big difference

Im guessing Kenny would want Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney or he might want 35 year old player or even a stupidly over paid player like Sergio Aguero,

But he wouldnt be allowed to purchase what he wanted to win games. He was allowed to purchase what the Ben guy wanted and Damien Comolli wanted from a list of players that fitted their rules on what a player should be.

Mainly someone they could sell on at a future point for more money than they purchased the player for. Its a joke, we went out and bought Englands B team for 2012 football knowing full well that bigger teams where going to get the best english players like young and jones.

Guess liverpool really is a small team, full of average players. They need a functional manager like Sam Allardyce who can get wins out of rubbish players or even David Moyes who could prob get more wins out of these players.


Thing is would Woy have bought Carroll...no ,says it all

Pardoe


This manager is better than Brendan Rogers and has been all season. Whats your point, cretin?


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:26:53
Too much negativity here lads! Let's face it, we are a strong mid-table team. Nothing more. I am not being cynical. It is the truth. Accept it and you will start enjoying our football again. Too many on here living off the edifice of a decadent past. Champs league is overrated. Europa will give the young lads a chance to shine. Can't wait for next season! Nobody will be expecting much, so hopefully we can catch the whole league napping!!


Ha ha that made me laugh, champions league overrated, how two faced are yo? remind me like you do most other people how many times tove won it? sad sad creature


We've won it 5 times....I repeat, 5 times


Just bcoz we arent good enough to qualify doesnt mean the ucl is overrated. If u win the competition, ur the best team in the world.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:21:26
I personally still believe that we were never this bad under rafa in regards to geting results and always sitting around the top four in the league


Hm, you clearly forgotten about our season in 2009/10. Singred


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:20:09
Eds, is there any teams interested in Andy Carroll, he has to go, up there with Sean Dundee and Eric meijer in my opinion.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:15:30
Since according to a few people's opinions on this site, Kenny will be gone this summer. Who will lead us next season?

The criteria should be:

1) Has won at least one major honour recently

2) Will sort out our squad and improve it on a budget

3) Will buy a proven goal scorer from a decent league

4) Will bring Coady, Suso, Silva & Sterling into the
squad.

If Kenny was to leave (I hope not) then I would get Jurgen Klopp for Borussia Dortmund as manager.

Scouse_Pride


Just explain this clearly. You expect klopp to resign from a team top of the German league, with a young average age, who have just overhauled bayerns lead to come and manage a mid-table prem team with average players and fans expecting the title every season. Yeah mate good shout.
RomanRunner


Anyone suggesting Silva should be brought into the first team is in clear need of medical help.


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:10:28
Dear Mr Henry

Please for the love of god sack kenny before its too late, he still leaves in the 80s/90s football has changed so much hes out of his depth!

He's clueless tactics are hurting our club In A BIG Way. Our biggest problem we have as I've said it many time before and I'll say it again KK doesn't know how to set the team up. We're too slow to win the ball back, we play like a typical Italian team, Pass the ball around the park at a very slow tempo, we let other teams pass the ball across their back four at their pleasure. You watch our next game when/if we go 1 nil up, all the players will look towards the bench wanting to know what to do next and you'll see kenny looking clueless. Our biggest problem has been we've wasted over £75m on very poor players (I blame KK 110% for that) he's makes some very bad decision such as subs or if thing aren't going our was he doesn't have a plan B, it really hurts me to say this but we play the most boring football in the league I would rather watch our youth team play than our first.


It's time to give Sterling, Cody, Adam Morgan, Suso & Jonjo some playing time I can't see us playing any worse with them than we've played the last few weeks. Oh wait kenny is our manager that's not gonna happen, You've got to admire Barca the way they bring their young players in too there first team is out of this world.

Mr B


Dear Mr B

Your an idiot,


Kenny is clueless? As if the owners didn't already know that! Do u think the owners are sitting there watching loss after loss and saying "well done Kenny!". Possible, but unlikely. They needed someone to 'steady the ship'. The fans overwhelmingly called for Kenny. Now we blame him. He's an old man. For cripes sake leave him alone! the fans demanded him. Now we can eat the cake that was made


I think we all seem to forget we've started this re-building job 21 years ago.

I didn't want kenny as a manager, I wrote on here last may just before KK signed for 3 years "I said we should thank kenny for steading the ship, but think about getting a young manager" everyone went mad on here.


We need a new manager. Iv already given up watchin the epl this season. Complete waste of time. Keepin my fingers crossed that we win the fa cup.
Indian Buzzer


And a new manager doesn't work out immediately. What then? Sack them and start over again? Think about it


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:10:00
Hello Edds.

Nasty rumours are saying that the fenway group is fed up with KK's lack of results, and are planning to sack him in the end of this season. Is this true?

Kind regards {Ed003's Note - I never believe nasty rumours]


Did you read those rumours on this site mate?

LIVERPRES


Fenway group like nascar racing and baseball, Those people don't give a dam what kenny is doing. Do you know how fenways over investments are getting in america. As long as where not bottom of the league or make it across the world on international news. (luis Suarez)

They are not too concerned we lost to QPR {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea.}


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:05:21
This has to go down as the worst Liverpool side ever, I know when souness was in charge we were bad but we still had class players like rush and barnes. This team is going no where...we have possibly the worst manager in the league in charge and who's to blame..us for wanting him! Anyone who thinks we're just a goalscorer away from being a good team is talking out of their backside, weres our great winger, goalscoring midfielders, leader at the back, great goalkeeper (reina used to be), were in big trouble that only huge investment can get us out of!


Roy Evans side wouldnt last in todays premiership.


Clueless post


This has to go down as the most ignorant post ever. Have you ever watched football before. We were unlucky last night. That's why we watch the game - because it's unpredictable and anyone can get their ass kicked at anytime. The vitriol and bile in these pages makes me ashamed to even think some of these people might actually follow the reds. Get a grip the lot of yers.
YNWA
ND


 

 

22 Mar 2012 00:00:55
Why don't you blame the players? Leading 2-0 with 13 minutes to go, dominating QPR, yet people still criticise the manager?! This isn't football manager, he is not at a console manipulating the game, the team was set up and succeeding, their capitulation is shocking but the players are responsible for that. Kenny can't pause or restart the game, what did you expect him to do?!


Best post yet, pal.

BthekingB


 

 

21 Mar 2012 23:58:04
if kenny wins the f.a cup and we break the 60 point barrier id give him another year

also as a club we have always had an indifferent record at best in the transfer market-kenny houlier souness rafa and 2 roys have all bought poorly at times.

i think one factor well overlooked is that certain players just don't have the minerals when it comes to playing for LFC.

Randy Watson


I'd rather give Woy another year than KK


We should only give a manager one year to prove himself, right? That's all he needs, right? We are Chelsea after all....or are we Man City?

cozinoz


It's not the length of time that matters. It is whether there is confidence that the manager, however long he has been there, is the right person for the job. It doesn't take more than 18 months to get that sense.


 

 

21 Mar 2012 23:55:23
Another unacceptable performance from sub par players. Another year with CL football? Great, another year we have to wait to attract 'top names', all the while we're fading away as others take our spot. Fed up with the excuses, If KK and his staff can't see the squad still needs massive improvements, they should be shown the door. I really don't see how they can be "happy with the current squad of players" when we have underperformed far too many times.

/rant


Its not our spot!


It should be, that was my point. but it's definitely not anymore.


 

 

21 Mar 2012 23:54:48
Bloody hell. Just turned MOTD on and Liverpool are 2-0 up with 15 mins to go against a poor QPR. Probably will go to bed. But you never know...wait 1-2, then 2-2, then last minute 3-2, Rangers win!

9 games to go, and 28 points behind United. I will make this easy...if United declare now, and Liverpool win their next 9 games, it's really very close.

Congrats

King Kenny, never leave!

Eric Banterna x


Hi Eric how did the Athletic game go the other day - you disappeared from our site for a while. I'm sure Fergie said he was hoping to win that cup?

cozinoz


 

 

 
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