Liverpool Banter Archive September 22 2010
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22 Sep 2010 23:52:37
Deke Reefer said at 22 Sep 2010 23:45:40:
"I was wondering if anyone really cares about the team anymore. I come on here and see the hate for the owners and the hate for the manager and the hate for many of the players by the so called Liverpool fans. Everything I have said previously has been put down by the regulars so I think the answer is somewhere - but not here."
Deke, I have a lot of sympathy with you. I have also noticed over the past few days that the fans have turned on everyone. If the club was doing well it is clear that they will complain about something. They will blame the owners for poor performances and will go out of their way to scare of new owners. They are probably the worst fans in the world - full of hate and nothing else.
Macca
22 Sep 2010 23:50:37
Its too late to actually change right now because it could do more damage than good, but just in theory- I fancied Kenny to do a solid caretaker job until new owners landed at least, and maybe afterwards too.
He would at least have their respect- he at least knows what it means to give every ounce of commitment you have in your body to help LFC win a major European game or to overcome a tough and skilled top flight team like Man u. Maybe that's what this shower need? A manager who has been there? Too late now, but you can't help wondering
22 Sep 2010 23:47:20
Roy should stop kissing Fergersons arse , stop buying s* t second rate players, sale ngog lucas babel spearing and learn how to make substitutes during a f*cking game,
we got sunderland next(GOD HELP US) Roy will probably play luas and spearing in the middle .
loosing the faith
THE REDS LOOK DEAD
22 Sep 2010 23:45:40
I was wondering if anyone really cares about the team anymore. I come on here and see the hate for the owners and the hate for the manager and the hate for many of the players by the so called Liverpool fans. Everything I have said previously has been put down by the regulars so I think the answer is somewhere - but not here.
Deke Reefer
22 Sep 2010 23:43:46
Hes doing a good job of stabilising the club my hole, hes was the wrong choice.The board should admit it and cut there loses and appoint Kenny. Wake up people have ye not seen our style of play under him. Hes track record isn't good in the league he doesn't deserve to manage LFC.
22 Sep 2010 23:40:03
Just seen hodgsons interview after the game will someone please tell him we were not playing real madrid it was the mighty Northampton that dumped us out, what a clown , Magsman ynwa. .
22 Sep 2010 23:36:27
Shocking display tonight no strength in depth, hodgson has no clue. If Torres needs to get match fit and confidence then play him! What's the worst that can happen?
22 Sep 2010 23:36:21
Re this:
"I'm sorry, but I've watched every game so far and although you have to make allowances for new managers, tactics and players to settle, there is no excuse for tonight.
Roy should have made sure he had some top quality on the bench just in case it went tits up the way it did. Its not rocket science to work that out, he's on big wages and he's been in the game long enough to know that you can give players a degree of rest on the bench, but you still need fall back options. It was an absolute schoolboy error for a 63 year old experienced manager, added to by too late substitutions. This was about the easiest piece of silverware to be won, and he was too complacent and stupid. Roy has lost my confidence. I've seen very little since the second half against Arsenal (and maybe Man U). This is becoming a question of just plain bad team selection, late subsitutions, and players who don't seem bothered somehow. Ed, am I being harsh too soon, or is Roy going to be a dud at LFC? And what about the poor performances from the youngsters? They seem helpless at times and without leadership {ed's note - I just think we are seeing the results of Rafa's refusal to give youngsters a chance. Players like Kelly and Spearing should have had enough games by now to know whether or not they will make it and to be either moved on or become regulars. But they have almost no experience and that showed tonight when pressure hit. Also have to say that the squad players Roy has inherited have shown that they are not good enough. But it is harsh to judge Roy yet, he has to test out these players in competitive games to know if they are up to the job or not. Otherwise we will end up losing more players like Hamill that are clearly good enough to be first team regulars but never got a chance.}
Ed, I totally take your point about the youngsters not having got enough blooding either to know their true class, or to get enough experience to cope when under the hammer. And yes, you have to find out if maybe you have the new Messi before you let them go.
But that doesn't alter the fact that Roy should have had an insurance policy on the bench- Gerrard, Meireles, Cole, Torres- just in case. I still think it was negligent to not have some insurance sitting on the bench just in case what did happen, happened.
And also, you can't support the use of two DMs at Anfield against this sort of opposition, surely? The team selection and shape were not appropriate.
Fans do still need to get behind Roy and show it, as it is too early to judge totally, but for Heaven's sake- I didn't expect him to still be making school footy team selection errors after this many games. I think having no quality bench options has hugely damaged his credibility. He will either last one season, or he'll learn quickly and last five or six. But he'd better learn from all these basic mistakes he is making! {ed's note - I am not saying he got everything right, just saying it is a little early to judge him.}
22 Sep 2010 23:30:55
*:Can someone tell me why this clown Hodgson was ever left near our club
No big-name manager wanted to touch LFC. Hodgson can operate under this kinda of presure and stabilise the club. Sven-Gφran Eriksson may of taken the job, but he is crooked.
22 Sep 2010 23:26:47
ROY Hodgson
roy isn't a magical manager; all he can do is deploy 4-4-2, man-marking system and play a settled 11 in premiership. I thnk liverpool have 8 first team players. the rest are fring and second string players.
He will have to make decision about starting kids, in all cups competitions. The future of the club is linked with Champions League.
We won't get better players coming to LFC if we don't get back in the Champions league.
No disrespect to league cup, but man utd started second-string team and SAF didn't bother turning up
22 Sep 2010 23:22:42
Can someone tell me why this clown Hodgson was ever left near our club?The man doesn't have a clue, don't mind this bulls* t that he needs time and off field problems, hes just not up to it.He needs to go before out season goes completly up in smoke. No liverpool fan can hand on heart say that we are playing well , and hes good enough to manage our great club.His tactics are shocking the man is out of his depth.
YNWA
22 Sep 2010 23:18:10
Fans sad times isn't it, I think the least I can do is to pray for our great beloved club
22 Sep 2010 23:18:00
Did anybody see the reserves game v wolves - the first half was awesome football creative skill full modern why oh why couldn't we replicate this tonight
22 Sep 2010 23:18:00
RE: rafa. LFC fans should be ashamed. Roy is working with the deadwood rafa left us
These are world class players at lfc.
I don't understand who Arsenal + Man utd find good youth players. Chelsea have aload of them waiting to hit the premiership.
Do we have problems on the youth front. Do we need to invest more in the youth setup and scouting. We can't keep going out and getting big-named players.
22 Sep 2010 23:16:00
Do not be fooled people, Purslow's comments during interview were only a retort to the comments made by Rafa. They are all lies! Do not trust anyone on the board.
As for the result tonight. I said from the moment RH was appointed that he was out of his depth at the helm of our great club. That result tonight is the last straw for me.
I really don't believe anyone can blame Rafa for what is going on at the moment. I am sure that we wouldn't be in the position we are in now if they had not forced him out the door - he should have been given another year (the same time as old whiskey nose).
Yanks out. Rafa back.
22 Sep 2010 23:14:04
Dont make excuses for useless hodgson, people saying about rafas bad buys, this was against a FOURTH division side our reserves should beat every time.we had players on the pitch who two months ago played at the world cup, how many Northampton players were there, this is all about hodgsons ability as a manager or should i say lack of ability, please roy leave now and get your pension before you get the sack, at 63 youre not exactly a long term investment. .Magsman ynwa. .
22 Sep 2010 23:13:58
I'm sorry, but I've watched every game so far and although you have to make allowances for new managers, tactics and players to settle, there is no excuse for tonight.
Roy should have made sure he had some top quality on the bench just in case it went tits up the way it did. Its not rocket science to work that out, he's on big wages and he's been in the game long enough to know that you can give players a degree of rest on the bench, but you still need fall back options. It was an absolute schoolboy error for a 63 year old experienced manager, added to by too late substitutions. This was about the easiest piece of silverware to be won, and he was too complacent and stupid. Roy has lost my confidence. I've seen very little since the second half against Arsenal (and maybe Man U). This is becoming a question of just plain bad team selection, late subsitutions, and players who don't seem bothered somehow. Ed, am I being harsh too soon, or is Roy going to be a dud at LFC? And what about the poor performances from the youngsters? They seem helpless at times and without leadership {ed's note - I just think we are seeing the results of Rafa's refusal to give youngsters a chance. Players like Kelly and Spearing should have had enough games by now to know whether or not they will make it and to be either moved on or become regulars. But they have almost no experience and that showed tonight when pressure hit. Also have to say that the squad players Roy has inherited have shown that they are not good enough. But it is harsh to judge Roy yet, he has to test out these players in competitive games to know if they are up to the job or not. Otherwise we will end up losing more players like Hamill that are clearly good enough to be first team regulars but never got a chance.}
22 Sep 2010 23:12:17
If John McMahon had managed the reserves tonight we would have won - two wide men no holding midfielders positive football better attitude.
22 Sep 2010 23:11:23
Its Rafa mk2
You know were beat when you see the teamsheet!
So yes Rafa left alot of problems but Roy is not upto the job.
We shoulda mad King Kenny caretaker until takeover then move upstairs as lifetime President and let Guss or Jose have a crack.
Roy is not upto this way out of his depth
22 Sep 2010 23:06:15
Where can i get HighLights. Is it going to be on TV {ed's note - the Liverpool channel on cable and satellite is showing the match.}
22 Sep 2010 23:04:52
Well on tonites showing how the f- k are we going to be able to sell lucas, ngog, babel we will be lucky to get pennies never mind millions wat a joke roy to go now king kenny or oniell, pelligrini in get shot of roy now, and we can't blame benitez for tonite it was all woys doing playing two dms is shocking and nieve he is s* t and fulham will be laughing there tits off now and the board are a joke cause they won't sack hi as it will cost them money so we be f- ked till new owners come in and by that time most of the decent players would of left as they won't want to be laughed at by every team and fan in world football tonite has got to be the worst result in to many years to remember sack woy now
22 Sep 2010 23:04:48
You LFC fans should be ashamed. Roy is working with the deadwood rafa left us with. League is priority over any cup you guys, get a f##king grip!
Pity the yanks backed down a few years back & stuck with rafa, probably wouldn't have a squad of misfits! !
22 Sep 2010 23:03:47
RE:Hodgeson must go now! How low can we go
Its the carling cup. Hodgson has to have a look at these 2nd string players.
I think his strategy for this season ok. We can't play our best 11 in all comps and he decided champions league football is most important thing.
These cup comps will give chances for fringe players. he has to decide which on of these players will make it here and who needs to move on.
22 Sep 2010 23:03:09
Who agrees that it is time for roy to go. This must be the worst start since 1892!
Let King Kenny have a go.
22 Sep 2010 23:01:26
I hate being right, i thought we would lose tonight after i saw the team sheet. i had hope after ngog scored but now its over i'm depressed. now every1 calling for roys head, come on lads get a grip, he has been left very very little for any1 to envy.
on the other hand football is a result business and we need a damm good 1 against sunderland (am going to the pub to watch it, maybe drink will help lol). now i have never seen the kop turn on a manager will we see it soon, i hope not
always a red
22 Sep 2010 22:59:59
I thought houllier joined villa, and not come back to us 2nite? bad times at anfield :(
22 Sep 2010 22:59:33
Juventus want lucas? id pay them to take him! and ill throw in babel and Shi*gog!
Roy has no clue whats going on with the team . "we'll take the carling cup seriously . well, for starts . PLAY SOMEONE WHO CAN PASS ATLEAST!"
T
22 Sep 2010 22:58:53
Not even October and already out of 2 competitions. .the demise of our club is like another bad reality show. .there for all the public to see. .a fuc*in laughing stock. with crusty the fukin clown headin the show
22 Sep 2010 22:58:52
To all who send we don't need players give the kids a go well that's what happens simply not good enough shameful
22 Sep 2010 22:58:18
Jones,
Kelly, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Agger,
Lucas, Spearing, Jovanovic,
Pacheco Babel,
Ngog
I wonder where he went wrong in this selection. most of u here wanted a faster back line wit agger, wilson, kelly.
Why wasnt Gerrard played. The Captain. If ur puttin kids out. then give them a leader.
But well done Northampton, they outplaced liverpool. They wanted it more. They where the better side for long periods of the game.
These are the kind of nights that will put northampton on the map. I hope they knock out Utd next.
22 Sep 2010 22:58:06
The lack of confidence in our young players showed tonight
Other clubs let their young players excel rafas legacy is hitting home!
22 Sep 2010 22:57:42
Dnt care wat ur gonna say roy knew all along dat torres isn't fit n he wait until deadline day to try n sign a striker were 5pt from 5games in the league dnt mind the europa league cuzz we really got an easy group n now we've been by northampton at home Martin Oniel where r u
22 Sep 2010 22:54:39
That just proves that roy has no idea what he's doing. Dont cover up for him ed, you'll just make me more angry. . There can't possibly be an excuse for losing against a 4th div team if you are liverpool boss, no excuses. Worst of all, yet another cup we won't win this season. SIGH. .
By the way since 1986 how many times has ferguson been beaten by a 4th div team? NO MORE EXCUSES!
Red bl00ded!
22 Sep 2010 22:54:27
How can fans be putting all the blame on Benitez for tonights shocking result!
Did he pick the team? Yes he can be blamed for poor reserve team signings. .Roy put the team out tonite. he rested the 'big guns', he played 2 defensive midfielders against a lge 2 side at anfield!
Get him out the wrinkly Jurassic tw*t
22 Sep 2010 22:53:49
F* *in disgrace talk about wanting to add extra pressure!
22 Sep 2010 22:51:30
What an embarrasing result. Clearly Woy is clueless. One good season at Fulham and the messiah he is not.
22 Sep 2010 22:51:18
Ed no disespect to your opinion but early in the season yeah has roy got any clue no he is not the man for our club he is a joke and now we are the laughing stock of the country so yeah he should go and go now, babel, lucas, ngog, need to go now aswell as others and the s* t manager
22 Sep 2010 22:51:01
Hodgson should go now. What a disgrace. As for babel and lucas its a joke they are even considered as liverpool players! We really are a joke at the minute. Rumour has it anyone have interested in the club will run a mile after that
22 Sep 2010 22:50:32
{ed's note - after how many games? Far too early to judge anyone yet, it took Fergie years to build United up.}
Ya but Ed with all due respect - Hodgson is 63 years old and doesn't have the time to do what Fergie did.
I'm not normally one to panic but i would have to question him already too just based on tonight's result ALONE!
Its a bloody disgrace!
And in any case there is only one Fergie like there was only one Shankey / Paisley etc.
What would you have us do?
Make the same error as with Rafa and keep a poor manager for too long?
You can't defend that result tonight - Come on now & get serious!
Pathetic performance & more importantly pathetic result! {ed's note - there is no point changing a manager right now. Let's just get the off field situation sorted and see how things lie on the pitch then. No one will be able to get much out of the dross that Rafa left behind anyway.}
22 Sep 2010 22:49:39
PATHETIC . .PLEASE ONCE AND FOR ALL DO NOT SAY SPEARING IS A LIVERPOOL PLAYER IF HE WASNT A SCOUSER HE WOULD BE GETTING SLAUGHTERED.HE IS A CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYER AT BEST, COULDNT GET THE BETTER OF A SECOND DIVISION SIDE, WHO THINKS WENGER WOULD HAVE HIM, IN FACT WHO WOULD HAVE HIM, ROY YOU WERE USELESS AT BLACKBURN AND ONE GOOD SEASON HE ENDS UP WITH US, IF HE WAS ANY GOOD WHY HAS HE MANAGED 16 TEAMS. .AND DONT BLAME THE YANKS FOR THIS. .MAGSMAN YNWA
22 Sep 2010 22:49:22
A knew low the empire is rubble hodgson has to go dalglish the man to sort it out. i wanted king kenny there in the summer. a lovly man but not good enuff out now the players hang ur heads in shame. well done northampton. my god we are a shambles we hav not not played well at all this season in any game no heart no spirit no desire no leadership. we are a laffin stock . purslow hicks moores gillet etc all responsible.
22 Sep 2010 22:47:48
Losing at home against a league 2 team, being outplayed in the process, things just go from bad to unbelievable. This club is in deep s* t and I can see no light at the end of the tunnel. We have a manager who is employing the same tactics as Rafa. Two defensive MF, playing players out of position. How the reds have fallen.
22 Sep 2010 22:47:18
Everyone wants the owners out, but something they almost got right was the idea of getting rid of Benitez a few years back. Unfortunately we all stood up for him & now he's gone Roy is left to work with deadwood. Bad times! :0(
22 Sep 2010 22:46:16
When you walk through a storm you get wet. Fact!
22 Sep 2010 22:45:27
Liverpool were a discrase tonight, realisticly this was the only cup i think we could win and its now gone. im a disappointed liverpool fan and im not enjoying watching our football at all at the moment.
c'mon roy actually dae something for us.
22 Sep 2010 22:43:40
Wat a joke tonite woy needs to go now as he is s* t and aint got a clue his tactics are crap and we can't even beat northampton town wat a joke the team that played tonight should hang there head in shame and the board should sack woy now, sack woy now, sack woy now. {ed's note - after how many games? Far too early to judge anyone yet, it took Fergie years to build United up.}
22 Sep 2010 22:41:36
Hodgeson must go now! How low can we go.
{Editor's note - It is only the start of the season. Everyone needs to calm down. He is doing the best he can do with the players he has got}
22 Sep 2010 22:41:06
L0L! Im not watching the game c0z its not showing here on our channels, only the blues and mancs games. But i know that you people can't be serious. Did we seriously just get beaten by northampton? Good one. .c0z if that realy happened i won't be able to look any of my friends in the eye for the next 2 or 3 years.
Red bl00ded!
Say goodbye to your friends so kid cause we were beaten on Pens.
That is bloody disgraceful!
No excuses whatsoever!
We're a joke!
Its official now!
22 Sep 2010 22:40:30
Lost on penalties, what a disgrace. . . . . . . .
22 Sep 2010 22:39:59
We are looking like a joke iv never saw at as bad as this
22 Sep 2010 22:39:07
This game should have been on TV,
What drama, what a game, pens, extra time. well played Northampton
22 Sep 2010 22:36:06
Does anyone else think sharkey exists purely to knock what other people put on here?? There's a real smug 'i know best attitude'. Always begins with 'unsigned wrote on 15th sept etc etc'
He's been knocking someone earlier today for saying the fans buying Liverpool is not a viable option. . Purslow has confirmed today lfc is very financially healthy (debt apart). With the yanks out & the club debt free we will generate a considerable transfer kitty each season ourselves (as we do now, we just spend it to service debt at the moment)
I don't particularly believe fan ownership is the way forward, but I also don't feel the urge to shoot down someone suggesting it.
From unsigned on 22nd sept 10:30 (who cares if it's unsigned anyway? ?)
22 Sep 2010 22:33:22
Omg this is drama, pens
22 Sep 2010 22:26:47
Hold on 2 - 2 ngog theres hope
22 Sep 2010 22:23:07
What a load of s* t , babel should never wear the shirt again , ngog is awaste of space, lucas needs to go now .
This will be the last game i watch this season roy h has not got a clue
22 Sep 2010 22:22:58
Maybe being out of the carling cup is a blessing in disguise . . .
no even i can't belive that, its a good job im watchin ace ventura to put a smile on my face lol
22 Sep 2010 22:22:39
L0L! Im not watching the game c0z its not showing here on our channels, only the blues and mancs games. But i know that you people can't be serious. Did we seriously just get beaten by northampton? Good one. .c0z if that realy happened i won't be able to look any of my friends in the eye for the next 2 or 3 years.
Red bl00ded!
22 Sep 2010 22:21:23
Lucas has to go out and score
22 Sep 2010 22:21:12
Mark my word shelvey to rescue
22 Sep 2010 22:15:13
Seriously we've been beaten by northampton
22 Sep 2010 22:15:03
It's hard to be optimistic when your team is 16th in the league, and is losing at home to a league 2 team. It's a bad time to be a Liverpool fan.
Let's hope the darkest hour is the one before dawn.
22 Sep 2010 22:08:49
Oh my Jesus!
We are 2 - 1 down to Northampton Town?? ? ?
WTF! !
If this stays as is we have no bloody excuses!
Would be a disgraceful result.
Worst since i became a fan more than 20 years ago!
Worried!
22 Sep 2010 22:03:10
Is woy ever going 2 do a sub b4 the 75-80 min. he hasnt got a clue. its a joke get oneil in and give these overpaid w* * *s a kick up the rear b4 it really is 2 l8
22 Sep 2010 21:56:23
Watching liverpool v northampton . it is a f* cking disgrace . babel is sh*t , ngog sh*t , if torres gets injured we are screwed these guys are not up to scratch. luckily we got jovanovic on a free cos he's not worth any money on this performance
ngs77
22 Sep 2010 21:36:55
Another comment, and the most important comment, regarding L/ pool Fans and especially this site by purslow is "IF YOURE READING ABOUT IT, ITS UNTRUE!
22 Sep 2010 21:29:09
I can see liverpool loosing tonight
22 Sep 2010 20:02:58
Just watched the CP interview and I must say how impressed I was with the way he answered all the questions he was asked.
We all have had to listen and share all the rumours that have done the rounds since the club was put up for sale and most of the recent bloggs regarding the lack of information from the club as to what is currently happening. But having heard how CP spoke and how well he answered the questions I truly believe he has the clubs best interests at heart.
He even briefly touched on the subject of The owner Tom c* t of seeking more financing for himself and stating that the Anfield 3 will do everything they can to appose such a thing.
Lets hope the next time CP gives a live interview it's with him shaking the hand of the new owner.
Red Ak1
22 Sep 2010 20:02:37
You state
1- The phrase OUR CLUB, Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS it just a club you follow.
then in the next breath you write
After all we are NO WHERE NEAR liquidation.
so i take it you must have a sh-t load of shares in this fine club, because our and we are is pretty much the same thing unless you have loads of shares it is just a club you follow? ?
nob ed
ha ! Well said mate! Great spot!
22 Sep 2010 19:28:37
Why is everyone against the idea of the 2 idiots refinancing? Have non of you taken into consideration what might happen should RBS take over? What if RBS take over and no one buys the club by January? Banks only understand on language. . MONEY! so £40 mil for Torres = Sold £20 mill for Gerrard = Sold! If a buyer is not found buy October 6th Refinancing is our only option or we say goodbye to our star players. . .
StevieW
22 Sep 2010 19:09:24
Does any1 know any websites where i can watch tonights game live please x
22 Sep 2010 18:55:16
Hi ed,
maybe you can help me better,
purslow just said that the board
will block hicks if hicks use the
club assets for re financing but
if hicks will use his personal assets
i don't think the board have the
power to stop it. what do you
think ed?
thanks malta {ed's note - Hicks has never put his personal assets up as collateral, I very much doubt he will start now.}
22 Sep 2010 18:54:44
I realise this is a long shot but if after the recent and ongoing criticism from various parties towards the BBC Match of the day programme leads to future changes in the programme and possible changes in presenting and analysis personnel, does anybody see a role at Liverpool for Alan Hansen. After all he was offered the Liverpool Manager job when Kenny left in 19991 because he Knee injuries had finally caught up with him. He turned the job down allegedly for many of the reasons given by Kenny i.e the pressure and the personal upset he felt about Hillsborough. Possibly not as Manager but perhaps something above that, because he was and is seen to be one of the more intelligent and well read former footballers (but not on world football according to Stan Collymore). {ed's note - I did ask him a few times when he was watching the stiffs play, he was adamant that he did not want to get involved. He didn't want the stress and who can blame him?}
22 Sep 2010 18:47:31
{ed's note - I am afraid to admit I am that ed. Not that it did us much good against the Mancs, so maybe I should start predicting, I will go with 2-0 to us.}
I'm going to to be really really optimistic and say 5 - 0.
We need to take the shackles off the youngsters tonight and just let em do what come natural!
Whatever happens i really hope Dani Pacheco hits the back of the net tonight to relieve any pressure on him. He badly needs a goal to get him some regular run outs. Surely he's a better option than Maxi or am i watching a totally different sport?? ?
Can see a bit of Beardsley in the boy but just needs a chance or two not one 5 min sub appearance every four or five matches!
Come on Woy, Dan could be the man if given time & chances!
Irish Kev
22 Sep 2010 18:40:48
22 Sep 2010 17:58:26
I like everybody on this site is a Liverpool fan but i have some concerns with posts on here,
1- The phrase OUR CLUB, Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS it just a club you follow.
2- Spirit of Shankly (i think there called), Say Tom Hicks is not welcome at Anfield, Given that Tom Hicks owns half of Liverpool FC and everything with it, He has more entitlement than any ember of SOS to be at anfield.
3- There bleeding us dry, This argument dosn't seem to hold alot of wait for numerous reasons, 1- H&G have made money availible to Rafa & Roy hence Danny Wilson, Jonjo Shelvey, Raul M, Christian Poulson, Plus wage Budget being raised to keep/ sign players. And money availible for a striker, It was Roy who DIDN'T spend not COULN'T spend. 2- Liverpool have (buisiness wise) been doing very well globaly.
H&G may not be the perfect owners but they make transfer funds avialible, And raise the wage budget, Improved medical team, Improved coaching team, All this costs money, So remember it could be a whole lot worse, After all we are NO WHERE NEAR liquidation.
Pepe Reina, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres all cost H&G, but they made that money availible and so much more.
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If you're going to write crap at least put your name to it!
I'm guessing your name is Tom Hicks Jr?
Blair Mayne YNWA
22 Sep 2010 18:34:59
In response to the plum that wrote this pants
I like everybody on this site is a Liverpool fan but i have some concerns with posts on here,
1- The phrase OUR CLUB, Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS it just a club you follow.
2- Spirit of Shankly (i think there called), Say Tom Hicks is not welcome at Anfield, Given that Tom Hicks owns half of Liverpool FC and everything with it, He has more entitlement than any ember of SOS to be at anfield.
3- There bleeding us dry, This argument dosn't seem to hold alot of wait for numerous reasons, 1- H&G have made money availible to Rafa & Roy hence Danny Wilson, Jonjo Shelvey, Raul M, Christian Poulson, Plus wage Budget being raised to keep/ sign players. And money availible for a striker, It was Roy who DIDN'T spend not COULN'T spend. 2- Liverpool have (buisiness wise) been doing very well globaly.
H&G may not be the perfect owners but they make transfer funds avialible, And raise the wage budget, Improved medical team, Improved coaching team, All this costs money, So remember it could be a whole lot worse, After all we are NO WHERE NEAR liquidation.
Pepe Reina, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres all cost H&G, but they made that money availible and so much more. {ed's note - which part of that did they pay then? Because they weren't all even bought during H&G's period in charge, not one penny has ever come out of H&G's pockets to pay for anything. The closest they have come to that is by the club taking out a loan to pay for Torres.}
you state
1- The phrase OUR CLUB, Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS it just a club you follow.
then in the next breath you write
After all we are NO WHERE NEAR liquidation.
so i take it you must have a sh-t load of shares in this fine club, because our and we are is pretty much the same thing unless you have loads of shares it is just a club you follow?? ?
nob ed
22 Sep 2010 18:31:41
Jesus lads it's getting laughable on here it seem's no matter what statement or interview is released from the club most lads on here don't believe it,
so please stop with the doom and gloom and the make believe rumours,
let's be honest nobody goes to the papers or media about their business dealing's they are all professional and highly successful business people involved in buying and selling our club for an awful lot of money, so we're not gonna hear nowt till the deal is done.
by the way thank's ed for being the voice of reason in all this crap.
22 Sep 2010 18:29:32
Michael Hulme (Manchester City fan) says. .
I hope all works out for Liverpool, they are needed in the top 6 for sure, if not better. After reading this page, I see there is cash for the club which goes past next season. I feel this money is not available for the team, the money is going to be use to pay the banks. The club may say something in the way, money is available to the team. But until you see this happen in January, or a later date. This do not look good for the future. Keep the faith, MCFC fans did for years & we got our wishes granted.
Fair play mate, Thanks.
But i fear for your team / club once your owner decides he's done with his new toy or whatever.
You could be left in a lot of debt.
Unlikely but still there is a chance - but hope you hammer ManUre over the next few years too and put em in their place (not even the best club in their town) ha!
22 Sep 2010 18:22:38
Ed, Been busy the last couple of days. I've just seen an interview on LFC TV with Matt Cr. & C. Purslow. Any idea if this was a recent interview as i missed the start. It was on LFC NOW.
I am much more at ease now having heard his side of things assuming its recent. He seems very genuine. I honestly think we'll be ok now having seen that today.
What you think Ed?
Irish Kev {ed's note - it was done live earlier today mate. If you read back a number of people have been discussing it today, not everyone has been put at ease but most seem to be happier now.}
Oh nice one mate,
That can only be good news so surely.
Personally i think Purslow has a lot to lose if he says all this & then gets it wrong. So i reckon its definately in his best interest to get it right.
He'd be unemployable in future if he foucks it up!
At least he has broken the silence too which can only be a relief for some surely?! ?
Even though they do say: No news is good news.
I for one trust him to get it right.
Someone mentioned earlier that he lied about putting all incoming monies from player sales back into the transfer kitty - Dont forget guys the money also needs to be used for wages for this new player(s) & also pay their signing on fee / agents & so on.
Fair play to Purslow if he does do the right deal.
I'd be happy if the new owner(s) kept him in the MD roll after the sale. He'd deserve a chance to stay then. He did help with the Joe Cole capture too so i have faith in him. Not many expected that either.
Any score prediction tonight Ed?
Or are you the supersticious ed with the wine gum OCD? ha !
Irish Kev {ed's note - I am afraid to admit I am that ed. Not that it did us much good against the Mancs, so maybe I should start predicting, I will go with 2-0 to us.}
22 Sep 2010 18:13:06
"i live in switzerland and watch all their games on tv and trust me inler = Poop
any defender playing for switzerland is in no way good enough to even play for northampton. their defence is disgraceful, behrami and shaqiri are the only 2 swiss players with any ounce of talent."
Is this the same defence that didn't concede a goal against the might of Spain?
22 Sep 2010 18:09:36
{ed's note - which part of that did they pay then? Because they weren't all even bought during H&G's period in charge, not one penny has ever come out of H&G's pockets to pay for anything. The closest they have come to that is by the club taking out a loan to pay for Torres.}
I see what your saying Ed but all im really trying to get accross is that H&G arnt all bad, they didn't have to make ANY money availible its there club/ buisiness so essentially there choice, we have had plenty of money to but players, we could be portsmouth or leeds, but luckily were not.
22 Sep 2010 17:58:26
I like everybody on this site is a Liverpool fan but i have some concerns with posts on here,
1- The phrase OUR CLUB, Unless you have shares in the club its not OURS it just a club you follow.
2- Spirit of Shankly (i think there called), Say Tom Hicks is not welcome at Anfield, Given that Tom Hicks owns half of Liverpool FC and everything with it, He has more entitlement than any ember of SOS to be at anfield.
3- There bleeding us dry, This argument dosn't seem to hold alot of wait for numerous reasons, 1- H&G have made money availible to Rafa & Roy hence Danny Wilson, Jonjo Shelvey, Raul M, Christian Poulson, Plus wage Budget being raised to keep/ sign players. And money availible for a striker, It was Roy who DIDN'T spend not COULN'T spend. 2- Liverpool have (buisiness wise) been doing very well globaly.
H&G may not be the perfect owners but they make transfer funds avialible, And raise the wage budget, Improved medical team, Improved coaching team, All this costs money, So remember it could be a whole lot worse, After all we are NO WHERE NEAR liquidation.
Pepe Reina, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres all cost H&G, but they made that money availible and so much more. {ed's note - which part of that did they pay then? Because they weren't all even bought during H&G's period in charge, not one penny has ever come out of H&G's pockets to pay for anything. The closest they have come to that is by the club taking out a loan to pay for Torres.}
22 Sep 2010 17:44:24
Hicks may still get the money, but this time it will be on the banks terms, and there terms will be very tough, possible investers can demand what they want from the deal, because Hicks is playing his last hand, any deal that gats done on re-financing the loan the board can not stop.
Didn't you read or see the interview, THE REFINANCE CANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT THE BOARDS APPROVAL, AND THEY WILL NOT GIVE IT.
Sooty
22 Sep 2010 17:40:48
TBH i don't believe a word he has said.he had me up until he said that every penny made from player sales goes into player recruitment.if that is case we can expect to put in a bid for messi in january.why did we need to try and swap cole for babel instead of offering straight cash!
he also contradicts broughton when he said the reason the club was'nt sold is because an offer not acceptable to the owners had been made.broughton said in august that the buyer may not be the highest bidder.which now turns out to be LIES LIES LIES and more LIES!
He is just trying to pull the wool over our eyes, BUT IT WONT WORK! !
I'm sorry to say mate that if your mind is not at ease now then it's never gonna be, you seem to be seeing bad in everything Purslow said, if that's the case the only way you'll be convinced is if he came around to your house with the new owner. It wouldn't be in Purslows interest to lie, even if he has we can't do nothing about it.
Sooty
22 Sep 2010 17:36:05
Michael Hulme (Manchester City fan) says. .
I hope all works out for Liverpool, they are needed in the top 6 for sure, if not better. After reading this page, I see there is cash for the club which goes past next season. I feel this money is not available for the team, the money is going to be use to pay the banks. The club may say something in the way, money is available to the team. But until you see this happen in January, or a later date. This do not look good for the future. Keep the faith, MCFC fans did for years & we got our wishes granted.
Posted 13:55 22nd September 2010
22 Sep 2010 17:17:49
"Liverpool is not going bust".Hurray! !
22 Sep 2010 16:56:22
Ed. I ve not seen much of mavinga as much as I ve heard of him. You being the latest to show you are impressed.
I don think you should consider phasing out carra as unfortunate. The time has come. We all so how a legend raul had to move on from real. Not saying we should pack him off but these kids need to come to stage and now. Take wenger's example .
Fabregas, wilshere and gibbs, walcott. The list goes on. Wilshere being one playing under jonjo shelvey's captaincy for england. And jonjo who played so many first team games for charlton doesn even find himself in the bench. .
And I must say our second string team played exceptionally against staeua.
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life!
22 Sep 2010 16:35:13
I think the greek has been one of our best players when he gets his chance. Dont know why he getting such a hard time from people on here including you ed {ed's note - it is a matter of opinion, but I don't think a guy so badly at fault for goals conceded can be called one of our best players.}
22 Sep 2010 16:28:03
Dear Ed, I feel, for intuitive reasons ( f. .ing means I feel it in my gut) , that the Liverpool board are doing good. We, somehow, need to let Purslow and others know that if they do right, we will love and respect them, and I'll definitely offer one of them a pint if he'got the shakes. HOW can we encourage the board to stand up for the club? ? {ed's note - I really don't know mate, maybe by cheering the side on louder than ever? Maybe being reminded of how great our support can be will make them want to try harder for us? Other than that I doubt there is much we can really do.}
22 Sep 2010 16:18:24
Daniel Ayala playing for Hull City has drawn many praises already .
Our centre back area has got a bright future.
Kelly, wilson, ayala, who else ed ?
Why not give these guys a chance? I remember Ayala has already played a couple of games for the first team last season.
Why do we have to stick to carra? Play these guys more. When do we unearth the next Carra!
I ve been hugely impressed with kelly. I think he deserves premier league starts against the blackpools, west broms, wolves, stokes.
And add pacheco to this list. We need to take good care of torres this season. Whether he s given proper service or not we need him playing 25 plus premier league games, later stages of europa, carling and fa cups.
And I think we shouldnt condemn babel in january to get a new striker . 10 mil still not spent from last transfer market. Cant we get another 5mil from owners and get a good quality striker without having to sell babel?
Llorente is my pick, however cordozo, cavani , wolfswinkel , ruiz seem great prospects.
Keep babel . He ll be vital as an impact substitute. He has showed it in the past.
Hoping daily tat the take over takes place. And
Defour or witsel and banega-
Centre mid and masch replacement. Turan and elia and shaqiri , sanchez -wingers
Llorente, ruiz or wolfswinkel-
Striker
Taiwo, fucile, arbeloa back,
Coentrao-
Full backs
I think we should be doing our research on these players already and try and get atleast one player for each position mentioned.
Give the players to settle in after jan and go for title next season.
Thoughts pls. Guys, Ed .
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life! {ed's note - Mavinga and Wisdom look like being top class centre backs for the future too mate. I definitely agree we need to look towards these younger players and start to phase Carra out of the team, unfortunately.}
22 Sep 2010 16:08:42
How about playing Torres from the start tonight? He may regain his confidence and find some fitness. Lets face Fowler and Owen used the League Cup to 'find their shooting boots' when coming back from injury or when they hadn't scored for a while.
22 Sep 2010 15:59:31
Ed i know that you don't want kyrgiakos to play but roy has already said that he will be in the starting XI
jones
kelly kyrgiakos agger wilson
shelvey spearing
pacheco lucas babel
ngog
22 Sep 2010 15:58:11
Line up tonight. . Jones, wilson, agger, soto, kelly, spearing, shelvey, pacheco, suso, amoo, babel. Subs. .reina, wisdom, darby, lucas, sterling, ince, eccleston. What a great squad of young players best in epl?
22 Sep 2010 15:47:22
The Irish Rover {ed's note - what is there to elaborate? The problem with people is they are always assuming the worst - there is a reason why some offers were rejected, not greed but because they didn't match the criteria set out. Or perhaps everyone would rather they just sold to the highest bidder as quickly as possible like a certain David Moores did?}
You havin a laugh Ed! Why wouldn't you think the worst when H&G are involved. Are you trying to say that they are not in it for as much as they can get & they will take a lower offer if it is for the good of the club? After 3 years of these 2 clowns, we all have a right to be sceptical!
The Irish Rover {ed's note - except that it is not just up to them anymore mate, that is why there is now a board, even the banks that lent them money no longer trust them. This is why Hicks is so desperately scrabbling around begging for a loan and why he won't get one.}
22 Sep 2010 15:35:14
So that tells us folks that they have had a number of offers for the club and that the greedy yonks just want to bleed us dry and keep asking for an unrealistic price for our beloved club
GET OUT U YONK ROBBERS!
{Editor's Note: It shows that they are trying to sell the club - you seem to forget that.}
What sort of post is that Editor? Would you like to elaborate?
Is this the same Editor that posted about Liverpool managers having money to spend when they have made a nett profit of £10 million over the last 3 summer transfer periods?
The Irish Rover {ed's note - what is there to elaborate? The problem with people is they are always assuming the worst - there is a reason why some offers were rejected, not greed but because they didn't match the criteria set out. Or perhaps everyone would rather they just sold to the highest bidder as quickly as possible like a certain David Moores did?}
22 Sep 2010 14:56:12
I can't speak for the owners but I am absolutely sure that both of them are totally committed to trying to sell the club as soon as possible. They haven't had an offer yet that they like and so I suspect that both of them individually and collectively are pursuing their other alternatives and that's their prerogative."
christian purslow
so that tells us folks that they have had a number of offers for the club and that the greedy yonks just want to bleed us dry and keep asking for an unrealistic price for our beloved club
GET OUT U YONK ROBBERS!
{Editor's Note: It shows that they are trying to sell the club - you seem to forget that.}
22 Sep 2010 14:55:12
ED, i really can't believe how naive some of my fellow reds are.i can you trust this man.yes he came across as genuine in the interview, but he probably had 2 weeks to study these questions, and come up with answers that the supporters want to hear.the interview was ith the clubs t.v station, they were never going to put him under any pressure with the interview.
22 Sep 2010 14:49:49
Totally agree with you on that ED would be great to see pacheco get a good run out i think eccleston should also be given a run aswell considering the options we have, well thanks for your time ED.
BigBirdBilly Lfc 4 Life
22 Sep 2010 14:28:32
Ok thanks fot the info ED also what do you think of the line up whats your opinion on who roy will put out tonight?
Thanks again
BigBirdBilly {ed's note - I do think Roy will put out a number of first team fringe players, like Kyrgiakos, though I would prefer a team more along the lines of yours. I have to say I would prefer to see Pacheco given a long run on the left wing rather than Aurelio myself. Fabs always takes too long to get going after an injury, then he gets injured the minute he starts playing well. I just think he is a waste of wages because of that, may as well give a kid a chance as waste money on someone to lie on a treatment table.}
22 Sep 2010 14:18:57
Hopefully the squad for tonights game,
- -jones- -
-kelly- - -wilson- - -agger- - -mavinga-
-pacheco- -shelvey- -spearing- -eccleston-
- - - - - suso- - -ngog- - - - - - - -
also i know our problem is out wide but i think Roy should offer cash & soto for hangeland i think he could solve some of our problems in defence,
kelly- - hangeland- - agger- - konchesky
would be my prefered back line.
ED do you know if aurellio is fit yet when fit i think he is out best option for the left wing untill jan or when funds are avalible not the fastest bloke around but has a excellent delivery something we lack on the wing. . .
Thanks ED
BigBirdBilly Lfc 4 Life
YNWA {ed's note - he wasn't fit the last I heard, hence why he was nowhere near the squad. He was due back the beginning of next month.}
22 Sep 2010 13:58:30
Purslows interview contradicts other information we already know.
His lie about all money made on player sales goes back into player purchases is a load of crap because there is no way that any manager would allow 3 transfer windows to go by with the club making a profit. We've around £30m+ in there if you look at it since we sold Robbie Keane. Is he seriously saying that Hodgson wouldn't be getting more players he wants with that kind of money in the bank??
Rafa leaving by mutual consent. give me a break! !
Broughton told us in his last interview that the board is deciding who to sell the club to.
But Purslow today is saying that the owners haven't had an offer that their happy with yet.
But earlier in the interview he's saying that there hasn't been an offer yet?? It doesn't make any sense.
Plus this all comes when we've found out that Hicks is going round New York and London looking for someone to lend him the money to buy gillett out.
It is all abit too timely for the october deadline and the more probable news that they've been given an extention again.
{Editor's Note: Don't expect to see anything significant happen on October 6 or October 11.}
22 Sep 2010 13:57:23
Purslows interview contradicts other information we already know.
His lie about all money made on player sales goes back into player purchases is a load of carp because there is no way that any manager would allow 3 transfer windows to go by with the club making a profit. We've around £30m+ in there if you look at it since we sold Robbie Keane. Is he seriously saying that Hodgson wouldn't be getting more players he wants with that kind of money in the bank??
Rafa leaving by mutual consent. give me a break! !
Broughton told us in his last interview that the board is deciding who to sell the club to.
But Purslow today is saying that the owners haven't had an offer that their happy with yet.
But earlier in the interview he's saying that there hasn't been an offer yet?? It doesn't make any sense
{Editor's Note: You forget that the sales also needed to fund any additional and associated costs. Additional wages gfor example. Joe Cole's signing on fee - how much as that? Additional insurance costs.}
22 Sep 2010 13:48:33
22 Sep 2010 12:48:20
Where has all the Kyrgiakos hating come from? He is big, experienced and reliable - all qualities you want in a centreback. Him and Carra could be separated from birth in terms of footballing similarities. As long as you don't have two donkeys in your back line things will be fine.
He's certainly not even close to being the worst lfc defender.
Bad ed. Very bad ed. {ed's note - he is slow, lacking in positional sense, has the turning circle of the number 49 bus, can't pass and has obvious problems with his concentration which lead to his glaring errors in every game. He was not good enough for the SPL, he is certainly not good enough in the EPL. Time to get rid and give a kid some first team experience in his place, it is dross like this that has dragged us down since the end of the Dalglish era.}
- - - - - - - - the very same could be said about our carra ed, they are so alike in their positive attributes as they are in their negative ones. The free kicks and penalties carra gives away is total bullS*!T. not too mention hes go no pace. personally i would like skrtel and agger in the back line as what you said "give a kid some first team experience in his place"
22 Sep 2010 13:42:52
This is what Purslow said about the accounts at LFC.
We have an extremely healthy business with record revenues and we are highly profitable. The issue today is that too much of that profit is being used to service loans put into place when the club was bought.
"We are dealing with that issue. When we sell the business that debt will be reduced or go away which will make us the most profitable club in the Premier League.
To me he seems very confident that a deal can be done. I don't think he's blowing smoke up our ass.
Blair Mayne YNWA
22 Sep 2010 13:30:19
Liverpool-fans-protest-against-Hicks-and-Gillett cropped
By all accounts, the computer systems at GSO Capital Partners went into meltdown at the weekend, and were out of action for some time.
This may not be particularly interesting to you, until you learn that GSO is the credit-focused subsidiary of Blackstone Partners, one of the world's largest private equity firms.
Still not got it? Blackstone/ GSO were one of the companies who had been in talks with Tom Hicks over potential refinancing of the debt placed on his and George Gillett's purchase of Liverpool.
When supporters discovered the link at the weekend, they bombarded GSO with thousands and thousands of emails estimates suggest even tens of thousands - making clear their passionate opposition to any deal which would sustain the American regime at Anfield.
GSO were swift to distance themselves from the Yanks, and in a conversation yesterday between one of their most senior executives and a Liverpool fans' group, it was confirmed that the feelings of the supporters played a significant part in the refusal to deal with Hicks.
This is massively significant, because it is the first time anyone remotely related to the sale of Liverpool Football Club has acknowledged what we have always known about the game in this country that clubs ultimately belong to their fans.
Businessmen can buy clubs; the greatest names in world football like Liverpool and Manchester United can be swept up by the leveraged buy-out merchants that represent capitalism's worst excesses, but ultimately, they will be held to account by their fans, who are the moral owners.
For Hicks and Gillett, the day of reckoning has arrived. Since they bought the club more than three years ago, they have ridden roughshod over the feelings of the people to whom LFC mean more than a matter of life and death.
They have been brazen in their greed, arrogant in their disregard. And maybe, just maybe, they are about to pay for that.
Hicks has been talking to dozens of financial institutions because he is desperate to refinance, given that he will effectively lose Liverpool and potentially at a big loss on his original investment if he doesn't.
His partner Gillett has already run up the white flag after defaulting on loans in the U.S. which used his stake in Liverpool as collateral. His financial empire is ailing, and experts suggest the house of cards is ready to collapse. That leaves Hicks carrying the can.
The Texan's own empire is not exactly in rude health, and he would dearly love to make a big profit on his Anfield investment to bale it out. Hence his frenzied efforts in recent weeks to refinance.
But guess what. Every bank he has turned to has been bombarded with protests from supporters, pointing out the consequences of lending money to the Americans.
I have had direct dealings with many, many groups of fans, and they are deadly serious about their intent. If any institution allows Hicks to hold on to Liverpool any longer, then they can expect a s* tstorm. A perfect one.
It is no idle threat, because the many millions of Liverpool fans out there carry a heavy economic weight. Just ask News International. The boycott of the Sun newspaper after their criminal reporting at Hillsborough destroyed that paper's sales on Merseyside.
It is something Hicks and Gillett hadn't considered when they took over at Anfield, they thought they were just getting a sports franchise with vast profit potential.
Now, the fans they have abused and insulted for the past three years could decide their fate, and there is a delicious irony in that.
In October, RBS must decide whether to call in the loans they have extended to the Americans. If they do, and if Hicks can't find alternative finance, then he will almost certainly have to accept a sale of Liverpool at a big loss.
There is still a prospect of RBS refinancing Hicks and Gillett themselves, because they have made vast profits on the back of Liverpool fans - £20million alone in August - and will no doubt not want to give those up lightly.
But they will be foolish to do so, because they could lose thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of accounts, (I would add that mine will be one of them, but they'll probably be glad of that!).
If they think they had negative publicity from the government bail-out and their former Chief Executive's disgusting greed, then they really have seen nothing yet.
The same goes for the other dozen or so institutions Hicks is courting, because the Liverpool fans are onto them.
I have mentioned several times here the work of such fans groups as KopFaithful in this column, who have orchestrated an impassioned but reasonable protest against anyone who deals with the Americans.
They have been backed by fans' websites such as The Liverpool Way, Red and White Kop, Anfield Online and Anfield Road (to name but a few of the many, many brilliant sites out there), who have all inspired many thousands of normal, everyday fans people like you and me to register the fact that they care, and their voice is important.
And the momentum is growing all the time. There is already a boycott RBS campaign underway, which will see large numbers of that banks' customers withdraw their accounts, and boycott associated companies such as Direct Line and Churchills. It can be found here , and it is the tip of the iceberg as far as fans are concerned.
Another group, the Spirit of Shankly which has a widespread following, is organising direct protest at the upcoming games at Anfield against Sunderland and Blackpool. Visit their website for details.
There are other, equally important protests planned, by other, equally important groups, but the point is, the fans are all united (if you'll forgive the phrase) on this issue now, and that spells bad news for Hicks and Gillett.
There is an email template doing the rounds at the moment which Liverpool fans can copy and sign, and send on to the RBS, as well targeting as any other bank thinking of dealing with the Americans. You can find it here , among other places, and it perhaps most pertinently asks the bank to do the decent thing on behalf of the fans, after taking so much of their money in the past three years.
If the fans' protests aren't enough, then there is one final consideration the RBS and any other bank considering a loan should take into account.
The board at Liverpool Football Club, which has a ruling majority of the people who actually run the club day to day, have made extremely clear that they do not agree with any attempt to refinance Hicks and Gillett.
So the question is, how can any bank or any financial institution justify loaning money to a company where even the people running that company are saying not to?
Given that the RBS is owned by us, I'd say the shareholders will be asking quite a few questions if that happens.
22 Sep 2010 13:05:10
{ed's note - he is slow, lacking in positional sense, has the turning circle of the number 49 bus, can't pass and has obvious problems with his concentration which lead to his glaring errors in every game. He was not good enough for the SPL, he is certainly not good enough in the EPL. Time to get rid and give a kid some first team experience in his place, it is dross like this that has dragged us down since the end of the Dalglish era.}
- - - Kyrgiakos scored his first goal for the club against Stoke City F.C. on 16 January 2010 in a 11 draw and was named "man of the match" by various British sport sites for his performance in that match.
Few games later vs Totenham, Liverpool won 20 and Kyrgiakos put in another phenomenal performance and was described by Sky Sports as "magnificent".
Kyrgiakos' fine form continued in the very next game as Liverpool kept a clean sheet in a 00 draw away at Wolverhampton Wanderers on January 26, 2010. An esteemed British sports site rated him as Liverpool's best player that night, [19] he was also voted man of the match in this game by the Liverpool fans on the clubs official website.
Meanwhile the legendary Liverpool striker Ian Rush also praised Kyrgiakos, stating that he's ready to fill the void left behind by Sami Hyppia.[21] Kyrgiakos' performances had been so impressive that the British sports journalist, Steven Saunders, identified Kyrgiakos as "One To Watch" in the preview to Liverpool's home game against Bolton on January 30, 2010. Saunders stated, Kyrgiakos' "physical presence in the heart of the defence has been key to a spirited resolve in recent matches. Teams are having to work hard to score against Liverpool, which hadn't always been the case before Kyrgiakos' sustained run in the side".
Kyrgiakos was voted "Man Of The Match" against Bolton on January 30, 2010, by the Liverpool fans for the third time in four games (as well as against Stoke and Wolverhampton Wanderers).
Kyrgiakos' brilliant performances during January 2010 saw him voted as Liverpool's official "Player of the Month" by the clubs fans.[25] Kyrgiakos was sent off for a tackle on Marouane Fellaini in the 213th Merseyside Derby between Liverpool FC and Everton FC on February 6, 2010 which eventually ended 10 in Liverpool's favour. Fellaini suffered an ankle injury which kept him out until August 2010
- - - injuring everton players = extra points BTW! !- - - -
n May 2010 'Soto' was awarded Red and White Blogger's Best Signing in recognition of the impressive performances he had shown throughout 2009/ 10.
Tl:dr = Kyrgiakos = pretty good really.
oh yes, I love copy & paste. {ed's note - I am sorry but I don't give a monkey's what a few people said, my own judgement is he is not good enough. He was at fault on numerous occasions for goals conceded but gets cult status because he throws his body in where it hurts. Well there is a lot more to defending than being big and throwing your body in. That is why we won a lot more with Hansen at centre half than we have with Carragher there. Kyrgiakos may have pulled the wool over a few of your eyes but I spend my life watching games over and over and he is simply not good enough and to compare him with Hyypia is an insult to a great player.}
22 Sep 2010 13:00:35
Just off to get my tickets for the CHELSEA game tonight, todays been good fun, Red Banker.
22 Sep 2010 12:58:25
I suggested that people back the SOS share buyout - and you replied this wasn't an option for you.
I'm sure its not an option for many others either - but what would be an option ?
Have you spoken to SOS? Have you asked them to perhaps dilute the share sale such that shares are available at a price that you can afford ?
I read emails claiming LFC have a big fan base worldwide - yet SOS can't raise sufficient funds to buy the club. Why not? What does SOS need to do to convince us fans to buy into their idea ?
If we all invest - we *could* buy the club.
redted
I said "It wasn't an option at the momment" redted!
We would all love to be part of or own our club like Barca fans do. But in this momment in time we have to focus on Hicks and his attempts to refinance which could be catastrophic for the club.
SOS and Share Liverpool don't have the funds at the minute so we have to look else were and quick.
Apology's mate if i insulted you earlier but it wasn't you who got me all riled up it was that b*stard Hicks.
Blair Mayne YNWA
22 Sep 2010 12:48:20
Where has all the Kyrgiakos hating come from? He is big, experienced and reliable - all qualities you want in a centreback. Him and Carra could be separated from birth in terms of footballing similarities. As long as you don't have two donkeys in your back line things will be fine.
He's certainly not even close to being the worst lfc defender.
Bad ed. Very bad ed. {ed's note - he is slow, lacking in positional sense, has the turning circle of the number 49 bus, can't pass and has obvious problems with his concentration which lead to his glaring errors in every game. He was not good enough for the SPL, he is certainly not good enough in the EPL. Time to get rid and give a kid some first team experience in his place, it is dross like this that has dragged us down since the end of the Dalglish era.}
22 Sep 2010 12:40:38
Is there light at the end of this dark tunnel for us Liverpool fans?
Ste-T-4eva
Yes. but it sounds like the light of an oncoming train.
22 Sep 2010 12:25:32
I realy wanna see shelvey and wilson play tonight
22 Sep 2010 12:17:35
Your original post states that the banks don't want a PR disaster, Im afraid you are wrong, banking by its very nature is a PR disaster, thats why they pay there PR people so much money, good PR people become political spin doctors, then go back to PR with better connections and better salarys, and yes there is a reason for your friend to lie to you, its called insider trading, if he tells you that he knows for a fact, that bad PR will not affect the sale of the club, you could use that information for financial gain, if it gets back to him he can get prosicuted. Red Banker
22 Sep 2010 12:16:46
Blair Mayne - I wrote the mail earlier re: emails to financial houses - that seems to have riled you.
I suggested that people back the SOS share buyout - and you replied this wasn't an option for you.
I'm sure its not an option for many others either - but what would be an option ?
Have you spoken to SOS? Have you asked them to perhaps dilute the share sale such that shares are available at a price that you can afford ?
I read emails claiming LFC have a big fan base worldwide - yet SOS can't raise sufficient funds to buy the club. Why not? What does SOS need to do to convince us fans to buy into their idea ?
If we all invest - we *could* buy the club.
redted
22 Sep 2010 11:59:14
RED BANKER
Go and read the original post again, at no point are banks made out to be angels.
If anything, these comments show that the banks only look out for themselves, before you commnt at least learn to read and understand what is said
22 Sep 2010 11:54:02
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - is that what you want or think it will be? If it is what you want, I have to ask why you would want Kyrgiakos to play? I would rather never have to suffer the embarrassment of seeing someone so poor wearing the great red shirt again.}
Roy isn't going to play his 1st choice centre backs tonight ED. I wouldn't play Agger either but that's just not to risk him as he would be in my 1st eleven but for whatever reason Roy dosn't fancy Agger. But it's Northhampton so i would also play Kyrgiakos(thanks for the spelling).
The team i've picked is an educated guess of what Roy will pick not my team this would be my own team.
Jones
Kelly Wilson Soto Aurelio
Amoo Shelvey Spearing Ince
Pacheco
Ngog
Watch the team sheet tonight mate and you'll see it'll be pretty much the 1st team i selected but only because that will be Roy's thinking.
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - I would prefer to see Wilson, Mavinga, Kelly, Wisdom, that kid I once walked past in the street wearing a Liverpool shirt, my cousin with the gammy leg that can't run properly, in fact anyone other than Kyrgiakos. I hope Roy sees sense, we already know he is not good enough for the shirt, time to find out if someone else could be good enough.}
22 Sep 2010 11:51:01
Due dilligence is needed to buy the club, but not to re-finance the loan, any one can do it, and on there terms not Hickses. Red Banker
22 Sep 2010 11:49:00
Christian purslow is being interviewed live on lfc tv right now!
22 Sep 2010 11:40:56
Anyone seen the interview given by Purslow today on the official website, very encouraging to see what he has said and the fact the board can block Hicks comes as a great relief, i think we will be sold soon seeing as he has said about a couple parties are doin due diligence!
22 Sep 2010 11:39:28
Its the job of PR to handle both positive and negative PR, next you will be trying to convince me, that bankers are all angels, what gets said at a quarterly planning meeting of a group of banks or financiers, is that this is bad PR, so are you telling me that goes for all the financial planning meetings around the world, my god I feel so bad making the bankers out to be tough arrogant buissness people, when in fact they are little fluffy clouds to be loved, they are certainly not afraid of bad PR, it comes with the job.Red Banker.
22 Sep 2010 11:36:47
Just watching Purslowe on Liverpool TV, my god the man has aged in two years, not just the fans under stress! ! !
rasone
22 Sep 2010 11:28:44
At some point the club will change hands, trying to influence a financial house, to take the club forward with the fans support is the most positive act you can make, any take over of any buissness, has to have a degree of goodwill on both sides, an intent of surpotrt from the fan base, will encourage a new invester, this time you have to work with them, or they will revert to type, and become just like H&G.
22 Sep 2010 11:25:41
Tonight's team for me would be!
Jones
Kelly Soto Agger Wilson
Amoo Shelvey Spearing Jovanovic
Pacheco
Ngog
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - is that what you want or think it will be? If it is what you want, I have to ask why you would want Kyrgiakos to play? I would rather never have to suffer the embarrassment of seeing someone so poor wearing the great red shirt again.}
22 Sep 2010 11:11:26
TO THE WRITER OF THE FOLLOWING
Believe me, what the financial houses say at lunch meetings, is not what they say in the privacy of there board room, PR disater rubbish any pulicity is good pulicity, this is no-where near as bad PR, as the banking collapse, this is a PR persons average working day, . . . . could you ever imagin a banker at a lunch saying, we need bad publicity no, but in there office they say, PR deal with the bad publicity, while we makethe millions.
This was no lunch, it was at a quarterly financial planning meeting, and the person who I spoke to is a major player in the financial field, and they are all trying to avoid negative PR .
There are no reasons for him to give me faulty information, what was said was factual, not fairytails, like a lot of posts on here.
rasone
p.s. put a name to your posts, then we all know who you are
22 Sep 2010 11:10:52
To the person who wrote this:
Back to football for a while!
What about the match tonight? Do we field as many reserves/ younger players as possible? Or do we have a mix of some experienced players, maybe some that haven't had much game time! I mean, without being too cocky, it is Northampton at home so it should be pretty straght forward. Personally I would field as many reserves as possibly with maybe only 2 first team players! Ngog & one other ( Lucas or Agger). I would want Ngog to play to try & keep up his scoring run, just to keep his eye in so to speak.
The Irish Rover
I think we need to win the game (northampton have nothing to lose and although the players for them play at a lower level i'm sure they are experienced pro's so we don't need to underestimate them).
So I'd play a few first team players whio haven't been playing regularly; something along the lines of the following team:
Jones
Kelly Agger Wilson - Not sure! (Aureillo still injured, Konchesky only fit LB, Robinson still learning)
Amoo Lucas Spearing Shelvey Pacheco
Ngog
Then they can get another go in the next round!
Hoola
22 Sep 2010 10:52:03
The discussions on this site are heating up. Let's change the focus. . What is the Liverpool's way in this situation? Does Socialism have to be necessarially militant? What do you all think, incuding Ed?
RHI {ed's note - it doesn't have to be militant, that should be the last resort, as Sun Tzu said, the only way to win a war is to never have to fight it in the first place. The best thing to do would be for Liverpool fans to get together and buy the club, I am not sure what is the best way to do that, but hopefully a bit more research into it will provide some answers. I think my next step is to speak to the guy who is running Share Liverpool and see what he has to say. Better to work together than set up another one along the same lines rivalling his idea.}
22 Sep 2010 10:50:18
Believe me, what the financial houses say at lunch meetings, is not what they say in the privacy of there board room, PR disater rubbish any pulicity is good pulicity, this is no-where near as bad PR, as the banking collapse, this is a PR persons average working day, all they have to do is make you believe that they are hear to benefit the club, behind the PR people the real work will be done, PR people are the cannon fodder, if it takes BP months to appolagise to the USA what makes you think that LFC will not get worse treatment, you are a football club, not a major continent of the planet, could you ever imagin a banker at a lunch saying, we need bad publicity no, but in there office they say, PR deal with the bad publicity, while we makethe millions.
22 Sep 2010 10:44:11
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - yes but setting fire to banks and attacking G&H physically is not within reason.}
Burning banks and physically attacking someone is always a no no ED.
But me personally IF i was fortunate enough to meet H&G i honestly don't know what way i'd react. I've so much anger and hatred for them at the momment. You can guarantee i'm not the only one feeling like this but violence is never on the agenda.
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - there is a difference between an act in the heat of the moment and planning an attack though mate. There are people (like that Newcastle supporting tit on kraptalk) talking about planning an attack. It is alright for him because we all know he will never do anything bar talk about it and stir up some publicity for his site.}
22 Sep 2010 10:37:23
Back to football for a while!
What about the match tonight? Do we field as many reserves/ younger players as possible? Or do we have a mix of some experienced players, maybe some that haven't had much game time! I mean, without being too cocky, it is Northampton at home so it should be pretty straght forward. Personally I would field as many reserves as possibly with maybe only 2 first team players! Ngog & one other ( Lucas or Agger). I would want Ngog to play to try & keep up his scoring run, just to keep his eye in so to speak.
The Irish Rover
22 Sep 2010 10:26:01
Ed, sorry to say this but you are incorrect, the emails are having an effect.
I was visiting a friend yesterday, who is the Financial Director, foreign finance for major worldwide advertising agency. He has dealings on a daily basis with many financial institutions, including Blackstone's.
He told me that at a meeting on Monday he was talking to a director of Blackstone's, and other banking management people, and the Blackstone's guy, had discussed the shock felt at his company at the overwhelming wave of anti Hick communications, they had received in offices around the world.
It was widely agreed within this group, that while these communications e-mail, faxes and phone calls would not influence decisions made on a financial basis, the massive negative PR any company financing Hicks would get does have to be taken into account.
Infact, one person there from Barclays International, stated that given the banking sections performance over the last few years, upsetting any large gruop of potetial investors, including some very wealth ones, could be a PR desaster, for the company involved.
I do agree that those fans advocating strong arm tactics are foolish at best, and deranged at worst and would do more damage than good.
But passive action to inform Banks and other finance houses exactly how the worldwide family of Liverpool fans feel would do no harm
Secondly Ed you seem to be placing a lost of trust in Hicks comments that he wants to get out of Sport.
Has not Hicks lied about everything he is involved in from day one? Why is this comment any different?
He has no love for Liverpool, only love for the DOLLAR BILL!
rasone {ed's note - different ed to me mate, I agree with what you are saying completely, the emails do help but direct physical action will not help at all.}
22 Sep 2010 10:22:41
I had you tagged as a radical as well as soon as you gave your support to the two child arsonists who had been encouraged, so I am told, by a video they had seen on the KopTalk web site, it was pretty clear that you are giving support to those proposing direct action. Some of the posts on here yesterday proposing violent attacks on board members were well beyond anything I would consider tolerable.
Sharkey.
Get rid of G&H Sharkey no matter what it take's within reason of course i.e E.mails, Protesting, Boycotts etc.
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - yes but setting fire to banks and attacking G&H physically is not within reason.}
22 Sep 2010 10:19:16
Editor's Note: Why do you want direct action? What possible good is it doing? What if he was in New York to meet potential new owners? What if everything goes horribly wrong because of the actions of the fans? Will you take responsibility. Any radical views clearly belong on KopTalk and not here.}
You're calling E.mails and Protesting "radical" ED? If so then you must've had a good up bringing because were i'm from some people would say that baseball bat wielding gangs wouldn't be radical enough. Not my views but were i'm from.
And what happens IF the SOS, Kopfaithful etc Campaign against Hicks succeeds? No matter what you say they are definitely damaging Hicks's chance's of refinancing after all they have been protesting against the current regime for at least 2 years and we received at least one massive offer from Sheikh Mohammed (500 mill) so i don't think they are scaring potentional Owners/ Bidders away.
Do you seriously think that Hicks was in NY to meet potentional new owners? When we know he will probably try to refinance right up to October 6th
Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - if idiots go round waving baseball bats they will scare off potential new owners. Setting fire to banks will scare off new owners. Sending a few polite emails reminding financial institutions how many people they stand to p**s off if they loan H or G money to refinance is not really what I would term direct action.}
22 Sep 2010 10:16:50
ED i don't get you . .you say don't send emails coz its not right then you post all the addresses?. . we are bits of fans who are absolutely loyal to the cause but business wise do we know whats right or wrong. .i know plenty of inside info bout this and other clubs but the best for what is what ( outside a straight buy-out) financially. .i don't know whats best. . if a higher person from within or from the supporters assoc. or where ever says this is the thing to do then count me in, otherwise we could be doing more harm than good. . {ed's note - you might not get it because there are more than one ed mate. We use slightly different monikers so that you can tell us apart. Each of us have our own personal opinion, mine is that sending a polite email will put pressure on and that can't be a bad thing. Even if it just makes them think more carefully about what they do, that has to help.}
22 Sep 2010 10:15:27
22 Sep 2010 09:43:56
Hi all, not a rumour as such but thought id send you this reply from michael howard mp who im not really a fan of but he is a massive liverpool fan and knows people in the board, i asked him did he know anything and would he front or join a consortium to buy liverpool(just to see what he said) and this is his reply.
Dear Mr Day
Thank you for your email. I wish I knew of a way of achieving the objective which we share.
I also wish I knew a consortium of the kind to which you refer. I would certainly be prepared to join one if such a consortium were available but I have no reason, unfortunately, to suppose there is.
I have spoken to Martin Broughton who I think is doing the best for the Club in what are very difficult circumstances.
We must just live in hope of a happy outcome.
Best wishes,
The Rt. Hon. Lord Howard of Lympne
This has now turned in to a bloody farce. {ed's note - he would say that so he can carry on with his pretence of being a Liverpool fan. The man is a politician, being seen to be a football fan is a big boost to their popularity, nothing more.}
22 Sep 2010 10:07:50
If you want to see the best outcome, drop your personal feelings, and start thinking like the financial people think, RBS is the key player at the moment, but that could all change if Hicks gets an ivester to re-finance, if not then RBS will be there to make as much profit as they can, just imagin the bonus if they can sell for £ 30 £50 £60 £100 million above the loan amount, the club means nothing to the bankers.
22 Sep 2010 09:57:01
Blair Mayne YNWA said at 22 Sep 2010 09:45:41
"Why the f*ck did you mention baseball bat wielding gang with my name attached ED? It looks like you've put me in the same bracket as that fat, rascist, liar from Kraptalk."
I had you tagged as a radical as well as soon as you gave your support to the two child arsonists who had been encouraged, so I am told, by a video they had seen on the KopTalk web site, it was pretty clear that you are giving support to those proposing direct action. Some of the posts on here yesterday proposing violent attacks on board members were well beyond anything I would consider tolerable.
Sharkey.
22 Sep 2010 09:50:46
Due- Dilligance is needed for the sale to go threw, plus meeting the FAs fit and proper ownership rules, none of these come in to effect when its to do with a loan, its a sort of loophole for the financial industry to use to keep money flowing, forget what Hicks has done to you in the past, its what damage he can inflict in the future that matters most, he needs to get as much out of any deal that he can, he has got only one objective, RE-FINANCE at any cost, those last three words, (at any cost)is the vultures if the financial worlds dream come true, RBS will not sell the club for the loan amount, it will cost whoever wants to buy, the loan amount plus whatever RBS can get on top in profits, RBS already have plans in place various plans to be honest, so its RBS you should be looking to make a statement from, about there intentions, remember one thing only, these people are in buissness for there share holders, and of course there bonuses, its there JOB! and it pays very well.
22 Sep 2010 09:46:12
To the people taking part in email bombardments:
I am just as frustrated and angry at the situation LFC finds itself in at the moment but sending abusive and/ or threatening emails in an attempt to scupper a multi-million pound deal is ridiculous. This will not help, anybody considering refinancing the Americans will not be swayed by outraged fans hurling their angry and uninformed views at them. Nobody is going to turn the americans away because they just can't face the prospect of Blaire sending them a strongly-worded message. Likewise, the threat of a boycott from the few dozen LFC fans who are short-sighted enough to blame the refinancers for the situation isn't going to have the President of Deutsche bank waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat. English football fans have a reputation for being hooligans and thugs and all the emailers are doing is reinforcing that image and ruining the credibility of all LFC fans
22 Sep 2010 09:45:41
{Editor's Note: The emails will not help, they will alienate the fans. I assume that you were out drinking with Blair and his baseball bat wielding gang as Blair also seems to have a momentary lapse of reason. An example being that we do not know why Hicks visited Deutsche Bank in New York could it to have been to meet a buyer? Hicks wants out of sports franchises, he wants to sell the club, the club is up for sale, and he is buying himself time to extend the sale period (or seems to be trying to). Nobody knows what will happen on October 11 regarding RBS but I cannot see them taking control of the club. I do think it is pretty good of you to stand up over this though.}
So we sit and do nothing ED?
Of course Hicks was trying to refinance like he has been for the past few months. He probably visited a few banks yesterday but this is the only one he has been seen entering (which he was).
Why the f*ck did you mention baseball bat wielding gang with my name attached ED? It looks like you've put me in the same bracket as that fat, rascist, liar from Kraptalk.
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: Why do you want direct action? What possible good is it doing? What if he was in New York to meet potential new owners? What if everything goes horribly wrong because of the actions of the fans? Will you take responsibility. Any radical views clearly belong on KopTalk and not here.}
22 Sep 2010 09:35:47
22 September 2010 09:09:21
Liverpool FC, have a real problem, every time somebody shows an interest in re-financing Hicks, you all start sending e-mails to there offices, wrong approach!Hicks does not want the club re-financed until the last moment, that way the people who loan him the money will not have to put up with a bombardment of abuse, until after the loan is in place, there are some people still interested in loaning the money, and this is the reason, loan Hicks the money when he defaults the club is yours for £200 million odd, if RBS take over the club you will pay a lot more then the re-finance amount, Rbs will own the club for profit, so whoever wants the club will have to pay there asking price, so if someone wants the club on the cheap then they will do a deal with Hicks, the way the yanks set up there partnership was as you all know 50-50, if Hicks gains control he can give a share of the club say 25 per cent as a security on the loan, so the new investor will already be making money from the club before the next loan default, and then they can takeover, so you should be hoping that whoever gives Hicks the loan has the clubs future at heart.
* Your entire point is based upon your assumption about RBS intentions. If RBS sell the club for the value of the current debt then they would be making around £100 million on the interest from the original loan amount.
22 Sep 2010 09:13:33
Getting fed up with these "direct action" mails.
Its a joke. Financial organisations of this size do not care about "negative publicity" - unless they are publicly owned - and even then its lip service only. I.E. government rap knuckles, organisation spokesman placates, employees give "Big whatever" and carry on.
Hicks is turned down for finance - simply because its not attractive *financially* to the bank/ s. He is a bad risk and they are not yet greedy enough to be blind to the scale of his risk.
The emails are a waste of time - and quite simply tar all us fans with the same "militant" brush.
I want H&G out as much as anyone else here - but the only thing that talks is money. If you want them out - get behind SOS, support the share sale - buy a share - own the club.
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The E.mails are not a waste of time just ask Blackstone!
And you say get behind SOS and support the share issue for me that is not an option at the momment. We have to stop this cancer Hicks from refinancing and the E.mails and protests will hopefully go a long way to prevent refinancing.
All the main LFC forums/ websites are calling for all LFC fans to E.mail any bank that is considering refinancing Hicks. They are even giving us the related links so we can E.mail.
So stop talking *h*t and get on board you so called LFC fan.
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: The emails did not have any influence on Blackstones whatsoever.}
22 Sep 2010 09:09:21
Liverpool fc, have a real problem, every time somebody shows an interest in re-financing Hicks, you all start sending e-mails to there offices, wrong approach!Hicks does not want the club re-financed until the last moment, that way the people who loan him the moneywill not have to put up with a bombardment of abuse, until after the loan is in place, there are some people still interested in loaning the money, and this is the reason, loan Hicks the money when he defualts the club is yours for £200 million odd, if RBS take over the club you will pay a lot more then the re-finance amount, Rbs will own the club for profit, so whoever wants the club will have to pay there asking price, so if someone wants the club on the cheap then they will do a deal with Hicks, the way the yanks set up there partnership was as you all know 50-50, if Hicks gains control he can give a share of the club say 25 per cent as a security on the loan, so the new invester will already be making money from the club before the next loan default, and then they can takeover, so you should be hoping that whoever gives Hicks the loan has the clubs fiture at heart.
22 Sep 2010 08:06:13
Told by a steward at LFC that rumours are that GG has gone, Hicks is on his way and we will have a new owner very very soon. couple of weeks max/ / /
22 Sep 2010 07:55:10
I know Wiki is not the most reliable for information, but I've only just seen this. .
Corinthians
In 1999, Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst entered into a partnership with Sport Club Corinthians Paulista, a successful Brazilian club team. Club directors and Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst assured the fans that a new stadium was in development, but this never materialized. After legal/ financial troubles and partner infighting, Hicks retired from the company and the ownership group eventually left the partnership with Corinthians.
So the guy does have a history of h*cking teams and fans over!
This man should never be allowed to be involved with any sports team.
He did this to them and Us, almost drove the Texas Rangers to ruin and god, has a history of falling out with business partners. The man is obviously Poison. Please where is the antidote!
El Diablo!
22 Sep 2010 07:49:24
Ed who should start at right back tonight kelly darby or johnson and i think darby is finished here since kelly has taken over his spot at right back
{Editor's Note: Kelly I think.}
22 Sep 2010 07:35:19
Getting fed up with these "direct action" mails.
Its a joke. Financial organisations of this size do not care about "negative publicity" - unless they are publicly owned - and even then its lip service only. I.E. government rap knuckles, organisation spokesman placates, employees give "Big whatever" and carry on.
Hicks is turned down for finance - simply because its not attractive *financially* to the bank/ s. He is a bad risk and they are not yet greedy enough to be blind to the scale of his risk.
The emails are a waste of time - and quite simply tar all us fans with the same "militant" brush.
I want H&G out as much as anyone else here - but the only thing that talks is money. If you want them out - get behind SOS, support the share sale - buy a share - own the club.
22 Sep 2010 07:12:46
ha ha HA you guys are too much!
CARN THE YANKS. . RAISE THE COIN AND KEEP THAT CLUB! RID THE PREMIER LEAGUE OF THOSE LIVERPOOL l* kerS. .
To the championship for the 2012/ 2013 campaign for you guys. . h*ckin jokers
CHELSEA FOR THE TREBLE
22 Sep 2010 05:01:50
Ok and what if he wasnt at Deutsche Bank to do with Liverpool rather 1 of his many other business interests, surely we need more proof then some tweet before we bombard every known company under the sun, I'm all for the email campaign and have participted myself once i knew it was directed at the right peole , we are in serious danger of alienating ourselves from potential new owners.
Peole have even emailed threatening mails to Slaughter and May who are acting on behalf of the club i.e. Broughton, Ayres and Purslow
Dodge
22 Sep 2010 01:31:23
Hicks and son are in New York seeking money to re-finance. They're surely clutching at straws but there's always someone willing to loan money, isn't there?
I'd love to believe that their reputation as bad risks will precede them but . . . . . .well, fingers crossed eh?
my personal take on all of this is that there are a few alternatives. Firstly, JR gets the money to buy off the RBS loan and buys time to sell the Club.
Secondly, the fat Texan gets the finance but, for whatever reason, drags his heels in finding a suitable buyer (greed or spite) and LFC becomes Leeds Utd.!
Thirdly, the Texan walrus fails to convince the moneylenders that he's the future of sport (despite his impressive c.v.) and doesn't get the dosh so RBS are forced to take control in the absence of a buyer.
Or, fourthly, there really is a rich benefactor waiting in the wings who's predicted this scenario and is biding his time in order to acquire the club for peanuts without having to give the Chuckle Brothers a bean. . . . maybe the Arab bloke who Moores double-crossed?!
There are probably quite a few more possibilities and personally, I'd welcome anyone other than the current scheisters . Walk on brothers. . and don't let the Stars and Stripes smother the Liver Bird! !
22 Sep 2010 00:27:58
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I just E.mailed Deutsche Bank these are the regional address's and phone numbers contact them and show how determined we are to rid our Great Club of these Rats which ever way you can.
Blair Mayne YNWA
21 Sep 2010 23:54:18
EXCERCISING MY ANGER - another mail to hicks "how dARE YOU INVOLVE YOUR DISGRACED SON! dON'T YOU FER FOR HIM? dON'T
YOU FER gOD?"
RHI