Liverpool Banter Archive September 22 2016

 

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22 Sep 2016 22:04:42
what about danny murphy stating how jose was gutted to lose out to Rafa for te Anfield hotseat? glad we passed up the chance benefit of hindsight. slick rick got that right.

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22 Sep 2016 22:32:26
Interesting that John, u reckon that's right?
I remember Mourinho stating once a few years back (defo after Rafa had been here and maybe after he'd gone) that he couldn't manage LFC but couldn't say why, I've tried researching it but couldn't find anything on it, anyone?


22 Sep 2016 22:47:56
Again on mourinho John, you suggest we done right in hindsight not getting mourinho, as much as I rate Rafa and owe him for probably the most memorable night of my life (don't tell me bird) I think if we got mourinho in 2004 we might have done better.
Now I know he's since been proven to be a horrible little man but even though he was full of himself (the special one quote day 1 at Chelsea) I don't think he was too bad during his fist stint that you couldn't accept him if he won you a couple of league titles and a couple of cups, shat youz all reckon?


22 Sep 2016 23:05:23
Dunno about this, sounds like hearsay to me, I remember at the time of the champions league final Porto vs Monaco, and you could already tell Jose was on his way out. Despite being linked to both Chelsea and Liverpool, I personally thought he only ever had eyes for Chelsea.


22 Sep 2016 23:23:03
I know this a long time a go .


22 Sep 2016 23:34:33
I don't know about "gutted", but he was quoted in the media as saying he wanted the Liverpool job at the time.

As to how he'd have done, he always gave off an arrogant public persona (might be a lovely bloke in person, though), but he seems to have fallen into believing his own hype in the last couple of seasons. He does nothing special tactically and his motivation skills at United thus far have amounted to publically criticising players carrying knocks or making their first PL start. Not sure that's going to work. He wasn't like that in 2004, at least not that I remember, anyway. If he'd come here instead of Chelsea, and his career went down a different path, he might be a different manager now.

That being said, results under him probably wouldn't have been better than under Rafa, I don't think he'd have won the league with us and I don't think he'd have made the same connection with the fans. And I reckon he'd have quit as the second he saw through Hicks and Gillet. Assuming he tolerated Parry long enough to even get that far.


23 Sep 2016 00:11:12
Mou is a winner and a destroyer of clubs. He's a good tactician and truly improves players just like Rafa and Klopp. The difference is that Mou is just so toxic and arrogant and to me, he's such a turn off and it wouldn't be worth it having him. Whether he would have done better with that squad that's we had (one of the most mediocre squads we've ever had) is highly debatable. The fans at Chelsea love him because they had been highly unsuccessful (one title in fifty years) and had been the butt of all the jokes from Gunners fans hence, he saved them from perennial ridicule so he's one of them. I wouldn't have wanted him then nor now.


23 Sep 2016 00:11:44
18 and 1. I reckon the real reason why he said he couldn't manage Liverpool is because we don't have the spending power to do crazy transfers to make his job easier. First manager in history to spend over $1bn.


22 Sep 2016 22:32:26
Interesting that John, u reckon that's right?
I remember Mourinho stating once a few years back (defo after Rafa had been here and maybe after he'd gone) that he couldn't manage LFC but couldn't say why, I've tried researching it but couldn't find anything on it, anyone?


22 Sep 2016 22:32:26
Interesting that John, u reckon that's right?
I remember Mourinho stating once a few years back (defo after Rafa had been here and maybe after he'd gone) that he couldn't manage LFC but couldn't say why, I've tried researching it but couldn't find anything on it, anyone?


23 Sep 2016 01:12:46
He's not a horrible little man lol. He's very well respected and apparently does quite a bit of good for people off the field; its just his on field persona that makes people dislike him.


23 Sep 2016 01:59:22
The timeline between Jose champions league win and appointment of Rafa does not match. Unless we are tokin about after Porto win uefa cup.


23 Sep 2016 07:05:52
At the time Porto won the champions league Mourinho was leaving and Chelsea and Liverpool were changing managers.
I remember Mourinho's quote well "I have one offer in my heart and one offer in my wallet". He could well have been referring to LFC and Chelsea respectively, who knows?
He chose the wallet.
I'm glad we got Rafa. We may have won more, we may not. I personally think Mourinho can't work without a financial advantage. One thing is for sure, May 2005 was incredible, made all the more remarkable by beating Mourinho and his billionaire in the semi at Anfield.
Rafa is a humble honourable man with a deep love and respect for the city which endures to this day. I doubt Mourinho would have such a bond.


23 Sep 2016 07:36:49
Ron

Completely agree with your view and sentiments to Rafa. But under no circumstances jose would have left Liverpool had he joined in 2004. Rafa went to inter when the club was in real mess. Jose always had a soft spot for our club. Gerrard would have been the best midfielder had he played under Jose.


23 Sep 2016 07:42:42
Ron is correct, Lee. The timeline is spot on. Rafa won the UEFA cup and La Liga with Valencia, whilst Jose won the Champions League with Porto. The start was all over the press at the time. Mourinho claiming to be a Liverpool fan blah, blah, blah. Heart v wallet etc.
This story isn't news, just Danny Spud Murphy's accurate memory.


23 Sep 2016 08:24:13
Just to add to the above, I agree. Heard all this years ago. If I remember correctly, the cited reason for not coming to us was essentially the hierarchy. Talks with them didn't go well. Something along those lines. I seem to have some recollection that he had been talking to us for quite a while before it became public about new manager, but I may be wrong on that.


23 Sep 2016 08:36:47
Not sure if any one else remembers but in 2004 I recall reading that Rick Parry and Jose Mourinho had a verbal agreement that Jose would join Liverpool at the end of the season only for Ambravich to lure him to Chelsea with loadsa money. Was the only time Jose broke his word.


23 Sep 2016 08:42:54
I hate the whinger he's absolutely the most over rated manager in world football. He goes somewhere spends hundreds of millions (usually a big club with a good squad already) wins a few things annoys the hell out of everyone destroys the club from the inside and leaves. Nobody will ever love him. Porto is the exception of course winning the champions league there was a huge achievement.


23 Sep 2016 09:16:43
tjred, just let the Barcelona coach who's eye is still on the end of mourinho S finger and the "daughter of a whore" physio know what a nice man mourinho is, I think they may not be too sure.


23 Sep 2016 11:14:03
I hate the argument that managers only win because they had money to spend. Mourinho is arguably the most successful manager of his generation, he's won 18 major trophies in 14 seasons, he's consistently been successful and that takes more than spending a lot of money. Conversely there have been plenty of managers that have spent loads and not won anything. Who know's what would have happened if he came to us but the most likely thing is that he would have at least matched Benitez's trophy haul.


23 Sep 2016 12:04:48
Over rated he may be but let's be honest he has won a lot in the past.

I remember the rumours years back and always hoped it wouldn't happen, thankfully it didn't purely because of who he is and how he comes across. Don't want that at Liverpool.

Man Utd feel like they have got a god in him been their manager, I don't know. I feel he will fail there as have every other manager who's been there since fergie. Well I'm hoping it goes this way atleast.

Somebody on my facebook said the other night 'we're back, mourinho knows what he's doing' he's a man utd fan and they had just beat Northampton 3-1. I say no more.

Mourinho is a has been, game over I think.


23 Sep 2016 12:07:48
jezza,

you're letting your dislike for JM cloud your judgement mate. to suggest he is overrated is ridiculous. the man has won CL with more than one club, countless league titles, won the league with Real during a period of pure Barcelona dominance. have a look around most of the successful managers in history, guess what, they're at the biggest clubs with big transfer budgets.

to echo what muscat said, there are plenty of managers who have spent big and won nothing.


23 Sep 2016 12:10:22
All of Mourinho's clubs have had a financial advantage in their country and none of his success has been sustained.
I don't like the guy, there have been too many controversial incidents involving him including refs, coaches, players, doctors, ambulances, other managers etc. He may be a delightful bloke when he's winning but when he's not his true colours shine through. I don't have much respect for someone like that and his record is overhyped IMO.


{Ed007's Note - Inter Milan didn't have a financial advantage in Italy and Benfica are the only Portugese club who have regularly featured in Deloitte's top 20 richest clubs. To win the CL with Porto and Inter were fantastic achievements and anyone who thinks otherwise is letting their dislike of Mourinho stop them admitting it.}

23 Sep 2016 13:08:39
There was a time when Mourinho was the most popular manager in the league, he was smart, funny and fresh, not totally dissimilar to another manager close to our hearts. I'll admit he's completely shredded his reputation in the last few years though.


23 Sep 2016 13:03:45
Agree ed007. I can't stand him, and I think his arrogance caught up with him last season, but he's got to the top with every club he's managed, so definitely not overrated. I just think the 'Us against the world' approach is wearing thin.


{Ed007's Note - He's definitely needing to modernise some of his thinking and he seems to have lost a bit of his zest but I don't think you can question his past successes. He also seems to have lost his sense of humour, teasing reporters with his cheeky chappy answers etc.
For me The Us v Them thing only really works once you've built up a certain rapport with the fans by saying and doing the right things at the right time or it just comes across as you've got a chip on your shoulder and you're involving the club in your own personal (petty?) vendettas.}

23 Sep 2016 13:39:04
Don`t care for the Moaner that much because I can`t stand whiners, in general. IMO, I think we got the best deal. Rafa got us an improbable CL trophy by beating the Whinger -in-chief to do it. Jose has never gotten over that till this day. Jose would have polluted our club the same way he`s done to every club he`s been to due to his toxic rhetoric, pathetic mind games, never taking responsibility for his own actions, blaming players when he loses and and his unquantifiable arrogance and ego. At least Rafa put the fans first, most of the time. He IS a has-been and I no other big club worth it`s salt (apart from an overly-desperate Utd) would want him, IMO.


{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that hamilton mate..

23 Sep 2016 14:20:42
He won't be classed as a great manager until he's had sustained success at a club in my opinion.


23 Sep 2016 15:12:55
Muscatred, spot on that mate, even though he was st Chelsea it was hard (for me anyway) to dislike him and he was successful, that was part of my original point.


22 Sep 2016 21:26:28
King Kenny Dalglish and the Hillsbrough 96 appointed the freedom of the city of Liverpool today.

YNWA.

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22 Sep 2016 23:44:53
What ever the top honour is in the country should be bestowed on Kenny.

I know he is King to all of us but he should be a sir at least to the rest of the country.
The man nearly cracked up under the pressure but still handled himself with integrity.

True class.


23 Sep 2016 02:18:14
Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Matt Busby. Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Kenny Dalglish. Fair to say the Queen's a UTD fan? Come on Liz, sort it out.


23 Sep 2016 07:08:47
Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall?
The queen can keep her honours IMO.


22 Sep 2016 21:06:25
This season coutinho, firminho, mane all looked firedup, especially cout after the last game, but i am more interested in lallana and wjandalum on how they will perform.

We do have backup also in most of the department.

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22 Sep 2016 20:52:59
If you had to use one word to describe Klopp's reign so far, what would it be?
For me it would be 'entertaining'.

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22 Sep 2016 20:56:19
BOOM šŸ˜Ž.


22 Sep 2016 21:00:06
Underachieving.


22 Sep 2016 22:00:10
Encouraging.


22 Sep 2016 22:02:23
Mixed.


22 Sep 2016 22:43:08
Believing.


{Ed007's Note - Die Reise.}

22 Sep 2016 23:08:49
boob, boom, misfire, boom.


22 Sep 2016 23:34:49
Cool.


22 Sep 2016 23:44:00
normal.


23 Sep 2016 00:12:29
Optimistic.


23 Sep 2016 00:14:39
I'd let Jurgen Klopp describe it himself: Boom!


23 Sep 2016 06:20:06
Spectacular.


23 Sep 2016 07:14:30
Refreshing.


23 Sep 2016 08:12:49
Geggenpressing! Whatever that means!


23 Sep 2016 08:25:21
One of the eds nailed it on day one. Rollercoaster.


23 Sep 2016 08:37:13
Supercalifragalisticespialadocious.


23 Sep 2016 10:59:39
I do wonder what our former LB has to do with Klopp!


23 Sep 2016 13:06:27
Joyous.


22 Sep 2016 18:11:55
Hi ed01. How do you feel about players blatantly show boating?

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends on the player and when they do it. Personally I would rather my players just concentrated on scoring again, rather than messing about winding up opponents, but I can see that it could be used to annoy a player such as Diego Costa into losing focus. Most of the time, it is just a distraction from the match and not a good idea, as it gives your opponent more incentive to perform next time you face them. Goading someone is never a good idea, it just makes things get nasty.}

22 Sep 2016 18:38:47
Interpet 'show boating' I, m tad lost. I understand it differently!


{Ed001's Note - I was thinking along the lines of Neymar provoking opponents by trying to make them look silly, repeatedly.}

22 Sep 2016 19:02:57
I don't care personally. I'm guessing this is prompted by Sly Sports' non-story regarding Neymars rainbow flick.

Skills and tricks are awesome to watch. It's like when you see an American Footballer front flip over a tackle into a touchdown. Or a Tennis player return a volley through their own legs. Or a Rugby player play a behind the back pass.

If the skill or trick has a positive impact then what is the problem? If it winds the opposition players up and they make a nasty tackle, then I'm sorry but that is the opposition players fault for being a nasty piece of work. I remember once at Sunday league level a centre back did a McGeady spin on me which not only skinned me, but nut-megged me as well! I didn't go after him and try to hurt him, I just muttered an expletive, grinned at him appreciatively and got on with the game.

These are grown men. If they can't just appreciate a moment of brilliance from the opposition, no matter how extravagant, then to be honest they are not mentally stable enough to deserve a place in society, let alone in professional football in front of thousands of impressionable kids.


{Ed001's Note - you are forgetting that Neymar does it to humiliate opponents and that is just going to cause nastiness and make the next match against that opponent more difficult. It is like when players come out before a game and make stupid statements, you just know the manager will use it to fire up his team. Neymar humiliated one team late in a match, I forget the team now, that team used to basically roll over and have their tummy tickled when they faced Barca. Now the matches are hard fought and tough, with players really fired up. All due to Neymar showboating. Why bother? If players want to do tricks for the sake of doing tricks, that's fine, but I don't want those in my team. I want to win, not look good on youtube.}

22 Sep 2016 19:44:16
Yeah I agree with that Ed. Tricks for the sake of tricks are not really giving you an advantage though and thus don't come under what I consider acceptable. I'm talking about when you use a trick to benefit you or your team. His most recent trick got him out of a tricky situation where he had nowhere to really go.

The trick you refer to was against Sevilla a few years back. The game was dead and he took it to the corner and messed about with it before flicking it over their head and running into them to get a cheap free kick. It was an unnecessary skill in that particular situation and since then as you say, Sevilla have been a much tougher opponent.

I think it depends largely on the scenario. It's not black and white for me. I want to win, and I want to be entertained. If the skill does both of those things then great. If it is literally just a show boat then it's pointless.

Even then it is unclear though as you could say that teams passing it around at the back whilst the fans chant 'ole' is purely to gloat at the opposition and frustrate them. Yet nobody is pulling that up.

I just don't think we should discourage players from expressing themselves in the right situations. If you have the ability to do something special, then use that ability. But only if you gain an advantage. There is little to no point in standing in the corner doing kick ups or something!


{Ed001's Note - that is not showboating, the ole stuff, it is time wasting and keeping the ball to stop the opposition being able to attack you. It also doesn't goad your opponent into being fired up the next time you face them.

I really should have remembered it was Sevilla considering where I am right now! There are a fair few Sevilla bars here, and Sergio Ramos has a place just down the road.}

22 Sep 2016 20:18:58
MS footballers are human too, whether they are in front of 10 people or 100,000 people, they still go through human emotions and nobody likes to be humiliated, in fact I feel more people watching would rather have an adverse effect as you'd want to make up for the humiliation. Different players respond differently, some will smile about it and get on with the game, some will put in a firm but fair tackle on the player that embarrassed them the next opportunity they get, some will humiliate the player that humiliated them with a ridiculous skill of their own and others will put in a nasty tackle designed to seriously injure the player that embarrassed them. It really does depend on the person underneath the label of footballer.


22 Sep 2016 20:31:26
I feel a ridiculously good skill that embarrasses the opposition player is great to watch for spectators and morally permitted, but only if you are doing so to get closer to the goal, score or get out of trouble if you have the caujaunes to do so. I believe the line should be drawn in the sand when a player intentionally embarrasses a player with no intention to score, get out of trouble or get closer to the goal. This would be for example if a player waits for the opposition player to catch up only to ruthlessly nutmeg them or runs across the pitch embarrassing a number of players for no real reason, this would fall into the category of unsporting behaviour and you would be asking for someone to kick you. The likes of Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar Jr come to mind as people who would/ have done this in the past. Neymar even got a second yellow card for showboating once back in Brazil, I believe it fell under the category of unsporting behaviour.


22 Sep 2016 21:06:03
Ronaldinho was the master at skill and used it to gain advantage.


22 Sep 2016 21:55:00
always remember that sket ronalado playing keepy ups in the middle of pitch ( think they was 4-0 up in a final) an g Neville giving him what for. i'd of flying head kicked him next opportunity.


22 Sep 2016 22:50:19
there is nothing better to watch than neymar beating a man to gain advantage, he also in that game before he started rubbing it in, got whacked a few times. So is that him saying I'm still here, come get it.
Personally I love it
These players grew up in a different culture, street football in Brazil where taking the P I double S is the norm.
That saying don't knock the skill out of these players or they will basically end up English.


22 Sep 2016 23:17:59
does any one remember Kerlon? he did that seal dribble, scored sick free kicks but got kicked to bits because of it . Annoyed opposition ruined his knees from fouls, and ruined his career.


22 Sep 2016 23:49:26
Like Ronnie OSulllivan beating players left handed in snooker.

Playing against less talented all of the time becomes boring.


23 Sep 2016 00:43:20
Ronnie doesn't do that as he's bored though, he does it just because its quicker than getting the rest out.


23 Sep 2016 08:46:28
Thats correct taurus he does not do it to humiliate anyone and since he started doing it a lot of other snooker players now try it although they do not look anywhere near as good doing it.

With regard to the footie, if it gains you an advantage in the normal passage of play then fine, but if its to humiliate then i do not like it. Whether its acceptable or not i leave that up to the moral police.


23 Sep 2016 09:36:21
Did you miss the whole frames Ronnie played left handed? Or the times he played shots one handed?
If that isn't "show boating" I don't know what is.
Anyway, I enjoy it.
If you've got it, flaunt it.


22 Sep 2016 16:51:58
Hi Eds and reds.

I just wanted your opinion on something me and a few mates have been discussing this week.

Now before you jump on the wagon and starting pelting me saying it's never going to happen, I know, I just wanted to see if you guys thought it was a good idea or not.

90% (if not more) of fans get annoyed when international football puts a stop to club football for a week or so during the season, so why not do they like they do in rugby union and play games anyway. All they do is make sure the kick offs don't clash with the international game.

Yes a lot of first team players won't be there for some teams, but this then forces the clubs to give fringe and youth players a chance. It would also mean that these players will be likely to get more game time leading up to the international fixture list instead of just being all chucked together for the 1 or 2 games during the international break.

Most teams play friendlies with their fringe players during the break anyway, so it's a chance for them to prove themselves which they might not get during the normal season. It could prevent a fixture pile up in parts of the season too.

Again, I know it won't happen due to money etc. But I just wondered what you guys thought?

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22 Sep 2016 17:51:16
Will be unfair on the teams with loads of internationals.
Some teams can have 15-20 internationals who would disappear.


22 Sep 2016 18:56:46
True Mikey, but essentially you'd be no more disadvantaged than the teams losing less players to international duty on the grounds that they're not good enough to be called up.

Would never happen as you say smplfc, we all want and pay to see our best players out there, but it wouldn't bother me too much. All the top teams would be affected equally. Works in Rugby.


22 Sep 2016 23:03:04
It's bad for both Rugby and Cricket, it undermines the club game. If football did it it would probably destroy international football. Players would go with the money.


23 Sep 2016 03:30:43
We would just end up with players staying at their clubs and international teams only having their 2nd choice players turn up.


23 Sep 2016 05:40:31
Maybe play the early stages of the league cup when there's the international matches? Most teams tend to play non regular starters for these matches anyway.


23 Sep 2016 09:41:47
Anything that potentially stops Rooney being picked for England in whatever form that is would be great! Hopefully man utd would make up Some reason why he couldn't play.


23 Sep 2016 11:47:56
It would never work because it would end up with a lot of players going for the money and retiring from international duty, as well as this it gives the lower teams in the league an unfair advantage. For example the likes of Liverpool, United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal would be virtually losing their entire matchday squad where as the likes of Hull and Burnley would be losing 1-2 players max. I doubt the TV companies would be happy with the lost revenue from double booked matches too and they pay an awful lot of money to the Premier League for TV rights.


22 Sep 2016 16:17:18
Sorry not lfc related but would love to hear eds or any other posters view on ....

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{Ed002's Note - Try the Real Madrid page please.}

22 Sep 2016 16:16:53
What is it exactly that ed002 works as?

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{Ed002's Note - Rodeo clown and gentleman adventurer (only on a part time basis).}

22 Sep 2016 15:53:49
Karius has to start and get gametime to settle in. Mignolet has had long enough. Its not fair to wait on errors from mignolet to then put karius in under more pressure.

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22 Sep 2016 16:42:10
But it is fair to reward Mignolet's warrior showing for us this season by dropping him?


22 Sep 2016 17:18:34
Migs is warrior against clean sheets and a snatcher of defeat from jaws of victory, yes he should be rewarded with drop to bench.


22 Sep 2016 17:52:25
Warior? He's been average at best.


22 Sep 2016 17:59:01
What warrior showing is that, exactly?


22 Sep 2016 19:55:17
Don't forget Karius made a few dodgy passes of his own. I think Mignolet will continue to start for now, although I trust Klopp 100% to do the right thing either way. It would be nice if they could both have good form and make it a truly difficult choice, but so far, I think both have been. serviceable at best although I will admit Karius has had a rough injury for a keeper to come back quickly from.


22 Sep 2016 15:13:57
Hi Eds,

I am from india, staying in London for the past few months. Saturday's game against Hull will be my first ever time i will be watching the reds play live. I am in the Kop Stand, block 105.

I wanted to check with you if you know how the view from there is? Is it in the lower tier and i can see the players closely? :)

Also, i will be coming from the Lime Street station from manchester. What is the best way to travel to Anfield from there?

Thanks in Advance,
Ashish
YNWA.

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{Ed002's Note - Enjoy the day Ashish, I am sure plenty of folks can give you advice about the view and travelling - perhaps where to meet up.}

22 Sep 2016 17:30:39
thanks a lot Ed! There is a whole supporters club waiting back in India for me to send the pictures i click :)


22 Sep 2016 17:33:02
Block 105 is just about the best view from the Kop, Ashish - superb depending on how high up the block you are. You can get a special bus to Anfield from not far from Lime St. The bus stops either on Anfield Road or Walton Breck Rd, just yards from the stadium. You can get a bus back to Lime st right outside the Kop after the game.
Hope this helps - enjoy the game!


22 Sep 2016 18:13:34
Ashish, best advice is don't travel back to Manchester, its full of City and united, get into town after the game, and get right on it kid in the bier keller!


22 Sep 2016 18:47:56
@nowthenlad: thanks a lot for the info mate! can't wait :) )

@Shughes55: i will be put up with a friend staying in Manchester, hence going back. :) . but not before i go into town and enjoy a couple of pints.


22 Sep 2016 19:00:19
Great seats Ashish! Enjoy the game.

You can also get taxis from lime street station if you're not on a budget.


22 Sep 2016 19:09:28
Call in The Park pub opposite the Kop before the game there's always a good sing-along of all the old songs, I'm there myself on sat in the new stand can't wait hope you have an ace day my friend. YNWA.


22 Sep 2016 19:36:31
@Shankly's son, joe liverpool - thanks for the tips! YNWA.


23 Sep 2016 20:54:13
I'm on the telly this weekend hoping it's not mickey on commentary duty.

Have a good outing mate, hope we give Hull a proper licking for your first.

Krishna.


22 Sep 2016 14:02:41
Coutinho is a magical player on his day. but his frustrating guy at times. i just feel his overall game n consistency should improve to be mentioned in that world class bracket.

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22 Sep 2016 12:00:08
Finally found Mignolet's replacement šŸ˜

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22 Sep 2016 13:18:47
It was going wide, unnecessary save in my opinion! I'd rather have Joe Hart if that's the calibre of keeper you want.


22 Sep 2016 15:32:23
Reminds me of that bloody beach ball haha
I bet that was a quick exit for whoever that ball belonged to.


22 Sep 2016 15:59:09
Looks like 'a good shot stopper'


22 Sep 2016 18:12:55
Nobody's posted real Roy of the Rovers comment yet!


22 Sep 2016 20:19:28
Billy the Fish I think we needšŸ‘šŸ½.


23 Sep 2016 20:56:10
I'm undecided till I see it from a set piece

Krishna.


22 Sep 2016 10:37:59
Looking at the table and the clubs in it, some big clubs or good teams will be missing out on top 4 year on year.

There's so many decent sides now, what a great league we have.

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22 Sep 2016 11:53:56
That's why u need to buy good players . Have a good manger . Money is a lot in football now a days .


22 Sep 2016 12:53:15
You're right and that's why it's only a matter of time before the number of clubs qualifying for the champions league will increase. There's no way the big clubs, especially Man U will tolerate being out of the biggest tournament. There's too much money involved.


22 Sep 2016 13:59:05
Reus, like Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs etc do yeah? (last seasons top 3 by the way)

Chelsea, United and City can blow their mega bucks for all I care. Commercially we can't compete with them. Right now though I'd take our summer signings over any business those 3 did. City have a good manager but I don't think Stones or Nolito are any better than what they had, yet the must've cone at a combined cost of around Ā£70m.

There is no direct correlation between monies spent on transfers and winning games.

You win games by building a good team made up of good players. An expensive player is not necessarily a good one. Carroll cost Ā£35m and Origi cost Ā£10m. I rest my case!


22 Sep 2016 14:51:56
Spot on, MK. Money isn't everything as LC and even Dortmund under Klopp have shown. You know why
. Money doesn't make runs, tackle, work hard nor give you the right attitude and determination to succeed. Players and a good manager do. A good manager can do wonderful things with a crop of good to average players. Rafa did exactly that with our mediocre squad in 2005 when we won the CL beating better teams with more money like Juve, Chelsea and Milan, teams many said we had no chance against before kick off. As Klopp said, "You don't need eleven of the best players to win games all the time. However, you need your best eleven to win games all the time". That is exactly what we are doing now. Compare that to Utd with over 150m spent and are a shambles.


22 Sep 2016 16:00:20
As much as i appreciate that Leicester won the league last year i still see that as an somewhat of an anomaly and not the standard going forward. When you look at the teams that have won the league previous then it is hard to argue that money doesn't make a difference. Transfers paid and wages paid have a big say. Hopefully with Klopp in charge we start making the right buys in the future.


22 Sep 2016 18:44:20
Fergie didn't really spend a lot of money either. Yet since he has left United have blown about Ā£700m on transfers and gone backwards.


{Ed001's Note - seriously? Fergie spent monstrous sums for the time mate. Some incredible amounts. That is even if you forget about how much was hidden into brown envelopes etc.}

23 Sep 2016 00:20:35
MK, I normally like your posts but saying Fergie didn't spend loads of money is just factually incorrect.


22 Sep 2016 10:27:10
Hey Eds and Reds,

Just a message of apology here that there is no Danny Ward update this week as I was not at their game this weekend.

I can tell you that I will be at the next home game against Rotherham on Sept 27th and then also on October 16th against Sheff Weds so there will be updates on his performances then!

Sorry all!

Believable10 Unbelievable2

22 Sep 2016 10:14:52
Karius or Migs for the Hull game.

Believable4 Unbelievable1

22 Sep 2016 10:23:59
Karius without a doubt!


22 Sep 2016 10:38:22
Im sure Migs will be in goal.


22 Sep 2016 11:19:39
I agree with the OP.


22 Sep 2016 11:20:25
I want to say karius.


22 Sep 2016 11:33:08
I posted yesterday that it wouldn't be Klopp's style to drop Migs till he's made another klanger but I've since decided that was a silly thing to say, Klopp has shown himself to be ruthless about doing what he thinks is best for the team. Having said that I still expect Migs to start on Saturday. Unless Karius has been awesome in training or Migs was told he's no.2 in the summer then dropping him could prove to be disruptive and I don't think Klopp would risk that with the team on a roll. I expect that Karius will be the cup goalie until the point where he demonstrates on the pitch that he's a better goalie.

I also won't be surprised if I'm completely wrong about this.


22 Sep 2016 11:51:40
Pretty much agree Muscat, think klopp will play migs and push them both to compete with each other, though don't think it will be too long until karius is starting league games. Either way if it pushes both of them to give their all to improve its win win situation.


22 Sep 2016 14:54:34
Klopp brought in Karius to take Mingo's place and if he hadn't broken his hand, he would have already been the starter. That hasn't changed hence, Karius may not b in goal on Sat but will be within a very short time.


22 Sep 2016 18:07:49
Going to be controversial here and say migs should start. I am by no means a fan of his but he has made an ok start. It is up to karius to prove he will be a better option, whether that is in training or in cup games. So far he has not proven to be demonstrably better apart from the kicking.

Actually halfway through that last sentence i changed my mind, on the kicking alone i would have karius in there. He will be comparible with migs if not better with shot stopping. But he has to improve his cross taking and punching which was a little shaky even in pre season. Its a goood dilema to have though considering we have not had quality back up for a number of years.


22 Sep 2016 00:45:17
Hey Eds I'm saw that balotelli scored another brace for Nice, do you think is there a chance we might go in for him in January?

Believable19 Unbelievable2

22 Sep 2016 08:57:38
such a class player. EXACTLY what we been missing. great in dressing room and hardworking. hopefully we get him!


22 Sep 2016 09:16:22
It's interesting to see that he's started so well. I wonder if this is just a flash in the pan, if he's found a club that suits him or if the french league is so easy that he can make no effort and still score.


22 Sep 2016 09:51:06
I've seen him running to get the ball back maybe the penny finally drop.


22 Sep 2016 09:54:03
Maybe he has decided to grow up a little and try and save his career, I'm doubtful though haha. I'm going for muscat easy french league theory.


22 Sep 2016 10:16:49
We already sold him. Pissed that Klopp doesn't even wan to look at him.


22 Sep 2016 10:46:35
You're really on one today Leekuanyew.


22 Sep 2016 12:15:51
Again, really Lee? (Hangs head in shame)


22 Sep 2016 13:56:21
He will never change.


22 Sep 2016 14:42:55
Think ed001 would have a chance of scoring in the French league.


{Ed001's Note - doubt it, I can't even score in a brothel with a fistful of Ā£100 notes.}

22 Sep 2016 14:58:29
Leek, Klopp didn't want to look at him. Are you high? Klopp already saw what he needed to see which was what we all have seen with Balo which is nothing to write home about. If you love him so much then go support Nice who by the way, signed Balo because to them, a high profile signing that will put them on the map as they now have Chinese investors and a new stadium. But don't fret because sooner or later, Balo will be back to being well, Balo.


22 Sep 2016 15:31:28
Ed that is probably because strippers and hookers (despite the perception that they are not very intelligent) are clever enough to realise that there is no such thing as a Ā£100 note!


22 Sep 2016 17:58:08
You can still get Ā£100 notes in Scotland I'm sure.


 
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