Liverpool Banter Archive December 23 2010

 

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23 Dec 2010 23:50:11
In 2004 we were taught a lesson by a certain mr drogba playing for marseille against us in the eufa cup. I seem to recall he did the same thing the next year against Newcastle and then signed for Chelsea and has proved to be the best striker in the prem without question. My point? The prem is all about power and pace and our scouts don't recognise this at all, are they foreign by any chance. The nearest thing to drogba right now is andy carroll but don't you just know he'll end up at one of our rivals while we pay over the odds for another donkey.

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I was at the Marseille game and Drogba certainly etched his profile in my memory after his display that night. I agree he is perfect for the Premiership and I said those exact words after the game that night. Finding a player of simlar profile will be very difficult, Carol is certainly no Drogba.

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23 Dec 2010 23:47:40
23 Dec 2010 21:23:40
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I am not a big fan of Benitez but i don't think he was that bad of a manager , i would like to see him back one day but he needs to take a break from football

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I don't care how bad of a manager he aparrently is stats talk for themselves enough said

yeah stats talk for themselves and the stats show rafa as a good manager

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23 Dec 2010 23:45:46
Regarding my Roy is a clown shoe rant i have read and listened to as many versions of what Mr Hodgson said as i could find in order to base my opinion on fact and in my opinion Mr Hodgson should refrain from talking negatively about Liverpool players in the media as i can't see how it can have a positive effect and because i think it makes us look bad. Privately he may have those feelings and even voice them to the individuals concerned in private but if asked awkward questions by journalists he could just try " I prefer to talk about the next game" instead. Again only my opinion and thanks for the feedback.

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23 Dec 2010 23:43:20
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23 Dec 2010 22:16:11
Let's not forget Rafa bought some crap players, yeh he bought some good ones too, but he also drove out Alonso. Rafa also put no stock in the domestic cups. .yes we won the FA cup once. but other than than we came to expect early exits each season. Rafa was only interested in top 4 and champions league. Now. .again. .yes. . they are the most important priorites. .but Man Utd don't seem to mind going to wembley to win the league cup. .a cup we very much made our own. And other than finishing 2nd in the league 2 years ago we were always well off the pace in the league.

I'm not a Rafa knocker at all. .i appreciate his term as manager. .but stop calling for him to come back it shows narrow-mindedness. .we need to go in a new direction, a direction that encourages youth and pace and creative football. .Rafa was too negative to ever give any of the wingers in the club a chance to perform. Rafa always had the fear of what other clubs could do to us, rather than instilling the belief in the team that our opponent should fear what we were capable of!

Cheers for number 5 and the fa cup Rafa, but Liverpool are now heading in a different direction (and I mean up!)

YNWA

its funny cos liverpool was the most feared club in europe while under rafa! no one wanted to play us, so if that's not putting fear into clubs then i don't know what is

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23 Dec 2010 23:39:58
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All you Benitez advocates, just remember the £6 MILLION golden hand shake he walked away with before walking straight into a top paid job the same week. The mans that brass knecked he's thrown his dolls out of the pram again at Inter, walked away from the job and will get another similar golden hand shake. Circa £15 million in 6 months and a a hansome wage during the interim.

Im going to ask my boss if I can have a Ferrari tomorrow in order that I can get from job to job a bit quicker. If he doesn't play ball I'm going to tender my resignation. I wonder if I'd get a hefty back hander like Benitez has! !

We've just come out of a recession and about to go into another one, why would anyone want a grabbing t* t like Benitez back at the helm. Take a leaf from Strachan Rafa you greedy fat get.

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23 Dec 2010 23:33:48
Well if joe isn't up to expectations according to roy, try playing him in his right position you dipstick, its like putting reine along side torres then slagging him off in public saying hes not playing to expectations geez, give him a few games for where we bought him for then try and ruin his career, roy my grandad is yr age and i wouldn't trust him with the remote for the tv never mind a world known football team, with all the money you have why don't you buy a home in gaga land and do us all a favour, ineedmorecowbells,

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23 Dec 2010 23:13:58
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Andre pirlo is out of contract in the summer any intrested. . . jog on mate

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23 Dec 2010 23:10:28
Been shopping all day so just got to read Roys comments about Joe. Oh my god could this clown shoe be anymore incompetent? Dont get me wrong i think Joe Cole has been a waste of oxygen to date but DONT come out in the press slagging him off. How is that supposed to help him play better? Joe is atleast a player who on his day can tear teams apart why isn't he coming out hammering Konchesky and Poulsen who don't even appear to have the quality to improve. Surely NESV don't think this is the best way to motivate players. I'll say it again Roy is a clown shoe! Merry Christmas y'all!
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Picking at straws. I don't want Roy as our manager but some people take each individual word he says and have a pop at it. It's getting farcical (sp) in my opinion.

Roy just says that Joe hasn't lived up to expectation, which of course he hasn't, and Joe even admitted that himself. What, do you want him to say Joe has been world class? You'd rant about how stupid he was if he said that.

You missed the part where he said Joe is training well, has great ability as a footballer and just needs to forget the start he's made and knuckle down and try to perform better.

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23 Dec 2010 22:56:46
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Just had a phone call from a very senior manager in the bookies, as I told you all yesterday, a lot of money is going on Rafa rejoining LFC. . . His odds have dropped from 40/ 1 down to 5/ 1 and it is thought that they will drop to 6/ 4 by close of business on Boxing Day. . . . whilst RH will see his odds for the sack to 10/ 11. .

RH is having serious problems with key squad members (AGAIN) hence the renewed interest from serious betting figures. .
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If Rafa comes back, I will cancel my membership on the LFC home page. Look at what he did to Valencia, they are still trying to dig out from the mess he left. Look at what, in a few short months, he has created at Inter. Look at what he left at Liverpool. I agree Roy should leave, but let us not go from the frying pan into the fire.
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please don't say from the frying pan into the fire not having a dig at you but every tool said that when the takeover was happening did my head in, but i agree 100% what your saying bout rafa NO THANKS i don't think the players would want him back.

The Inter situation! ! you mean qualifying for the last 16 of CL and winning the Super cup with an afing team, despite selling players and buying none? You are a pair of tools. Bring back Rafa. Now!

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23 Dec 2010 22:45:32
In 2004 we were taught a lesson by a certain mr drogba playing for marseille against us in the eufa cup. I seem to recall he did the same thing the next year against Newcastle and then signed for Chelsea and has proved to be the best striker in the prem without question. My point? The prem is all about power and pace and our scouts don't recognise this at all, are they foreign by any chance. The nearest thing to drogba right now is andy carroll but don't you just know he'll end up at one of our rivals while we pay over the odds for another donkey.

Ferryhill red

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23 Dec 2010 22:28:53
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Been shopping all day so just got to read Roys comments about Joe. Oh my god could this clown shoe be anymore incompetent? Dont get me wrong i think Joe Cole has been a waste of oxygen to date but DONT come out in the press slagging him off. How is that supposed to help him play better? Joe is atleast a player who on his day can tear teams apart why isn't he coming out hammering Konchesky and Poulsen who don't even appear to have the quality to improve. Surely NESV don't think this is the best way to motivate players. I'll say it again Roy is a clown shoe! Merry Christmas y'all!

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23 Dec 2010 22:18:50
 
23 Dec 2010 20:38:07
Just had a phone call from a very senior manager in the bookies, as I told you all yesterday, a lot of money is going on Rafa rejoining LFC. . . His odds have dropped from 40/ 1 down to 5/ 1 and it is thought that they will drop to 6/ 4 by close of business on Boxing Day. . . . whilst RH will see his odds for the sack to 10/ 11. .

RH is having serious problems with key squad members (AGAIN) hence the renewed interest from serious betting figures. .
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If Rafa comes back, I will cancel my membership on the LFC home page. Look at what he did to Valencia, they are still trying to dig out from the mess he left. Look at what, in a few short months, he has created at Inter. Look at what he left at Liverpool. I agree Roy should leave, but let us not go from the frying pan into the fire.
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Look what he did at Valencia? Yea, won the La Liga title twice in three years ahead of the "big 2" and won a UEFA Cup despite Real Madrid's and Barcelona's superior financial muscle.

What did he create at Inter? The current Inter is Jose Mourinho's creation. Jose knew that Inter's team was too old, and that Moratti wouldn't significantly invest in younger talent which is why he walked and decided to do so months before the season ended. He had actually already agreed a to join Real Madrid before Inter won the CL in May. Rafa asked Moratti for money to improve the team and got the cold shoulder.
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At last someone talks some sence!

Harry5:)

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23 Dec 2010 22:14:27
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"23 Dec 2010 20:53:51
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Brilliant! That's what you're basing "by all accounts" on. By that logic we're signing Aguero! By all means though, provide links to back up your multiple accounts of how desperate he is to play for Spurs. I'm sure a clever boy like you will figure out how to do so. . . unless they don't exist.

they do exist, what you need to do is get in touch with L.B.C radio and ask for their records department! and i do hope for your own sanity that they can help you? its funny can't remember any quashing the torres rumour about his armband! oh yea its cause he wanted to play for liverpool! and so now we have a player who doesn't want to play for liverpool and their fans start to cry and question the story! it must be a shock to the system that there is a player out their who grew up not supporting the once mighty liverpool! how shocking is that? just one suggestion fella. . let it go im sure when you sign carlton cole he will in the long run have far outshone marin?"

Thank you for proving my point - you have sweet Fanny Adams in terms of "by all accounts". That you've equated your Marin rumour to the suggestion that somehow Torres was a Liverpool fan is very apt - both arewere wishful thinking. That you cannot remember anyone disagreeing with the assertion about Torres speaks volumes. . .

Bye Spud

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23 Dec 2010 22:07:15
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Rafa really lost his way at Liverpool and as we begin to build for the future under new owners the last thing we need is to re-appoint Rafa. Thank you Rafa for all you did, for the good times. . but now it's Roys turn. And if (when) Roy goes in the Summer, it'll be someone new that will lead us back to the glory days.

Rafa will not and should not be manager of Liverpool again.

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23 Dec 2010 22:04:39
The defence has no further questions. . .

i rest my case.

nuff said


king kenny07

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23 Dec 2010 21:47:23
In all fairness, Rafa Benitez done a great job at LFC.

Look at the players he signed before H&G became owners of LFC.

Reina, Agger, Alonso, Kuyt, Garcia, Mascherano

Players he signed when H&G ecame owners.

Torres and Riera

Players he tried to sign under H&G but failed to do so because of rows with H&G and the recession

Barry, Silva and Daniel Alves.

Possible LFC team if Benitez was backed by previous owners.

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23 Dec 2010 21:41:49
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In reply to. .

Dec 2010 20:59:00
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Ed a lot of names are being mentioned as the next LFC manager but in your opinion who really is the favourite to eventually take over from RH at our club and I hope it is sooner rather than later.Thanks {ed's note - Boas seems to be the favourite.}


dear mr ED, how do you know boas is the favourite. .?? did you get that from the "liverpoolway" website which are touting him as our next manager.
for those who have'nt heard of him, boas is portugese, about 34/ 35 years old and was the special ones blue eye and prodigy. . . . .currently in charge of porto.

just makes me laff when we post on here it seems that the "ED, S" word is gospel . .
this may not reach the rumour site but just because a certain(as there are a few) ED says, WE WONT, or HE WILL, or HE IS. .all the ED'S on this site are just like you and me. . .in the dark as to what is going to happen regarding managerial positions, players or stadiums. . .
i like this site but have noticed that when a good shout gets posted and then slated by the then "ED" at the time, the post goes by the wayside, and a good cantor on it is lost. . if the post has been deemed creditable to go on, then don't be a hypocrite and say its a load of tosh when you have had the chance to bin it.

king kenny07 {ed's note - I have never been on liverpoolway - I don't have time to go rooting round other sites these days. As for your editors being hypocritical for not agreeing with a post we put up, that is the stupidest thing I have yet seen posted, and believe me that takes some doing. Do you think it is only about posting up what we agree with? If so you really haven't understood anything about the site at all.}

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23 Dec 2010 21:41:06
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I would love to see ian holloway given a chance, i like his philosophy of that if a team score 3 against us we will score 4 against them, instead of roys that if a team score 3 against us we will put more defenders on and try to stop them scouring 4, "after all they are a great team in 18th position and every team struggles when they come here but i thought we deserved the draw" waffle waffle waffle, sick of his negativety, jimmybosun,

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23 Dec 2010 21:23:40
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I am not a big fan of Benitez but i don't think he was that bad of a manager , i would like to see him back one day but he needs to take a break from football

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I don't care how bad of a manager he aparrently is stats talk for themselves enough said

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23 Dec 2010 21:20:58
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I just verbally signed with Barcalona FC a minute ago. Pity they don't know it yet and that Im 42, 6-1 and 15 stone and smoke a pack a day. Can't wait to oust Villa on the left side.

Paul.

P.S. please buy my jersey.

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23 Dec 2010 21:17:19
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I'm from Bermuda & Liverpool is the most represented teamover here. That shows how big the club's following is & that we could generate revenue on an international scale. The 2 most notable Bermudian players were Clyde Best at West Ham & Shaun Goater at Man City.
Ed if we get Honda will he do you think he'll play just off of Torres or on the left wing. Because if Cole hits form & RH goes with a 4-4-2 we could have a midfield of (Honda-Gerrard-Miereles-Cole).
That would mean all we would need is a top quality striker (Llorente, Dzeko, Hulk etc.) to partner Torres & we'd have one of the best midfields and front lines in England.
We already have one of the best Goalies around so we would just have to sort out the back line. I think that Skrtel & Agger should be given the chance to form a partnership at the back as Carra is out for some time and at his age may not regain form as quickly as he would have a few years ago. I'm not sure about G Johnson but I would give Aurelio a chance at left back allowing him to push forward as he would have Honda as cover. Here would be the back line (Aurelio-Agger-Skrtel-Kelly).
By the way, I don't think Jovanovic has been given a fair chance as a striker. There is a big difference between striker and left wing. We need width, pace, creativity on the wing & some one who can take the ball out wide & send in quality crosses for a tall Striker like Llorente to get on the end of. Not some one who is predictable and just wants to cut in and go for goal all the time. Yeah we do want him to take chances and have a go at goal but bring others players into position to score also.

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23 Dec 2010 21:15:45
And i have to say extremely disappointed that Chris Mavinga has been loaned out to a carp Belgian side.

If he is to be loaned out, surely to a championship side at worst and a Premiership team like Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool to give him much needed experience in this Country at the highest level.

Let those teams find out for us whether he has the ability to succeed.

Bob the Red

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23 Dec 2010 21:07:29
I know this next transfer window will not define NESV's policy but it should give us a clear sighter.

I mean if players of the ilk of N'Zogbia, Wheater, C Cole, SWP and Bentley join then without being alarmist we should be prepared to sh*t ourselves.

But if a quality player or even players of the ilk of Aguero, Honda, Sanchez, Suarez, Hulk, Llorente sign then the rest of the World should be prepared to sh*t themselves.

How's that for a sighter?? I think i've just contradicted myself and made this transfer window shi*t or bust! !

How stupid am i?

Bob the Red

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23 Dec 2010 21:01:09
Pacheco counts as home grown

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23 Dec 2010 20:56:57
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Home grown players, RIGHT HOW MANY DO ARSENAL HAVE

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23 Dec 2010 20:55:03
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'ENGLISH philosophy' ye course m8 there is like 2 english players in the fulham team. schwarzer, hangeland, salcido, paintsill, gera, kamara, simon daviesand more. engliish players: zamora, johnson hughes?

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23 Dec 2010 20:49:46
"Roy Hodgson today admitted in a skysports interview that he did not sign Joe Cole."

Just wondering if Roy would have made this admission if Joe was playing well -
Roy

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23 Dec 2010 20:49:21
Editor is there something you don't like about aguero? wouldn't you be happy if we signed him he would be a great benefit to the squad and you put it out that we have no chance of signing him. you are wrong. we have every chance of signing him NESV want success and they are 100% willing to splash out on top class players in the summer so don't write us off out of any signing except fabregas, drogba, rooney, messi, and ronaldo ok!

me14 {ed's note - if you say so, I would love him to sign but it is highly unlikely to happen and no amount of you shouting about it will change that.}

Drogbas to old for NESV

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23 Dec 2010 20:43:45
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To the LFC homepage (?) member:

"If Rafa comes back, I will cancel my membership on the LFC home page. Look at what he did to Valencia, they are still trying to dig out from the mess he left. Look at what, in a few short months, he has created at Inter. Look at what he left at Liverpool. I agree Roy should leave, but let us not go from the frying pan into the fire."

About Valencia, are you aware he is the only manager not managing Real or Barcelona to win la liga twice in the last 25 years.
He also won them the UEFA, and he did all that with moderate spending, their financial problems are nothing to do with him . .

As for Inter, he messed up there , although he was left with an aging squad, I still think he could 've done better.

As for Liverpool I don't think Rafa will replace Roy, unfortunately I don't think anyone replacing Roy any time soon.
And I don't think him (Rafa) coming back is a good move for him or the club and can't see it happening.
Roy

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23 Dec 2010 20:42:38
Keep reading that some supporters are willing us to buy Samba from Blackburn please stop we should save money for areas we need to strengthen like wingers and forwards would rather us play Danny Wilson more and let him make mistakes and learn can't make anymore errors than skrtel what you think ED?
REDDAN {ed's note - I am with you on that, we have Ayala, Wilson and Kelly to play centre back position, they need games.}

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23 Dec 2010 20:41:26
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Maybe we should start to play our players in the right position before we sign more players. Chances our we will play them out of position.

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23 Dec 2010 20:41:10
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Roy hodgson should go back to sweden that where he was at his best ha ha

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23 Dec 2010 20:40:23
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Editor is there something you don't like about aguero? wouldn't you be happy if we signed him he would be a great benefit to the squad and you put it out that we have no chance of signing him. you are wrong. we have every chance of signing him NESV want success and they are 100% willing to splash out on top class players in the summer so don't write us off out of any signing except fabregas, drogba, rooney, messi, and ronaldo ok!

me14 {ed's note - if you say so, I would love him to sign but it is highly unlikely to happen and no amount of you shouting about it will change that.}

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23 Dec 2010 20:39:00
Rafa definitely divides opinion. Personally I don't want him back. I think the day pako left the club he was never the same manager. Don't get me wrong if I had a choice between Roy and rafa I would want rafa but Liverpool need to move forward. The board are obviously trying to create a structure promoting consensus and I don't believe rafa would and could fit in. He likes too much control and creates friction when he doesn't get it. The man who I expect to be the next manager is deschamps, not rafa.

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23 Dec 2010 20:37:14
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People who are saying Rafa is a "tactical genius"- - I agree, after seeing him for 6 years for us. He has won many games tactically. But the problem is all other manager now know his game and tactics, he is completely out of ideas and constantly failing to introduce new tactics. He is only a good tactician, not a good "manager"- -and by manager I mean who manages the team not only in the field but also off-field (ex. Transfers etc). He is past his best.

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23 Dec 2010 20:29:46
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It it'd be embarrassing if we take Rafa back don't you think?

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23 Dec 2010 20:26:34
As much as i want aguero in the team, he should take a pay cut to come and play for us if he really is a fan. I would play for the best club in the world for free if i had the chance!
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Er yes i would

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23 Dec 2010 20:21:52
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I take it then by reports we will be signing 3rd rate rubbish in january since we supposedly can't buy or afford players like aguero, what is our club coming to we should be signing the likes of aguero if we want to win anything"

I take it by "reports" you mean journalistic guesswork. The same geniuses who never saw Meireles singing or NESV buying the club a mile away?

No one has officially said who we can or can't afford, they have merely stated the need to get value for money. Pessimists (and stirrers) read this to mean we are potless and aiming for C Cole etc. They are just as clueless as the average sports writer digging for a story without any sound facts to base it on.

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23 Dec 2010 20:19:45
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23 Dec 2010 19:51:47
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As much as i want aguero in the team, he should take a pay cut to come and play for us if he really is a fan. I would play for the best club in the world for free if i had the chance!
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No you wouldn't ha.

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23 Dec 2010 20:02:45
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I take it then by reports we will be signing 3rd rate rubbish in january since we supposedly can't buy or afford players like aguero, what is our club coming to we should be signing the likes of aguero if we want to win anything

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23 Dec 2010 20:00:53
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If the rumours are true about Liverpool's interest and quoted figures in Elia Eljaro (5mil.) and Honda (8 mil.) then I don, t understand football managers. What criteria do they use to put a price tag on players? For example, at Liverpool we have Babel, Kuyt, Maxi, Joe Cole and others who patrol the wings. I believe that the players who are mentioned as targets are better than the players we have now. However, Babel (Dutch intern'l, 23 years old, pacey) would probably go for about 8-9 mil (Birmingham's offer last year) and Kuyt (intern'l, works hard, very likeable I hear) would probably cost close to 10 mil. Personally, I would not pay that much for any of these two, but I'd ask not less than the prices I stated. So, if I'm to put my logic in practice, Elia would cost closer to 12 mil. and Honda no less than 15. So I ask you ed, who is insane here me, Hamburg and CSKA management or are the rumours just BS?


Olivier {ed's note - it adds value to a player when he is playing in a top league, the Dutch league is a very poor one. Honda is cheaper because he wants to leave Russia.}

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23 Dec 2010 19:51:47
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As much as i want aguero in the team, he should take a pay cut to come and play for us if he really is a fan. I would play for the best club in the world for free if i had the chance!

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23 Dec 2010 19:43:26
Benitez has to be brought back .a tactical genuis whos hands were tied in his last season .he always fought our corner in the press, against other managers, unlike hodgson whos one arse kissin c***.anyone, like benitez, who refuses to address fergie as "sir" gets my vote.hodgson just doesn't get what liverpool are about.put simply hes just a s* t manager.

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23 Dec 2010 19:41:37
How about a few Rafa chants and ring of fire at home to Wolves? Just for sh*ts and giggles, oh and to see the look on Roy's face!

25_05_05

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23 Dec 2010 19:38:33
In reply! so rijkaard hiddink mabey non starters so o neill my guess , has to be a better manager than hodgson on his ability to find quality players, rafa would need to work with comolli? o neills signings have been interesting a young still worth what he paid. laursen went to milan ?dunne from city and the other defender from west ham (collins?)had a instant defencive quality to build on

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23 Dec 2010 19:33:25
23 Dec 2010 18:45:59
He signed while hodgson was in charg so he was his signing, , ,
Roy was in switzalnd wen deal for Joe was done had nothing to do with toys future visions for the club. Jamie rednapp signed Jo cole for Liverpool. With the words he would become a kop legend like Kk if he were to come to lfc,

he was manager while he was signed so he is his signing, , he said himself he had words with joe cole, , and as for redknapp he isn't any kind of staff at liverpool so he has nothing to do with it, , it was down to roy, broughton, and others they were the lfc staff member to talk to cole and convinced him just cos roy was in switzerland don't mean he can't talk to joe, there is a modern day technology called the phone, there is something called the internet which u can email ppl on not sure if ur aware of it but your using it! !

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23 Dec 2010 19:29:03
Liverpool Rumours
23 Dec 2010 17:07:17
Liverpool Rumours
Apparently we are re-linked with Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who has scored 19 goals so far this season. Another prolific scorer playing not playing at top level. Although he has scored many goals in the dutch league, when he played against us he went missing from the game and showed no quality. Similar to cavani of napoli, scores in almost every match but at both the world cup and the double games against us he played poorly.

E.H LFC

cavani played well against us at anfield, he didn't play well at napolis ground tho

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23 Dec 2010 19:27:28
Liverpool Rumours
23 Dec 2010 17:17:19
Liverpool Rumours
In all seriousness we won't sign Kun Aguero as much as I'd love us to. The Ed is right his wages and fee are too much for us and put off the likes of City and Chelsea. We need to grab the diamonds in the rough who have desire.

Spriggo
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It won't happen, but if NESV can give baseball players contracts worth $150m (like £100m) then there's no reason why they couldn't do the same here. They appear to have the funding available to do so. Aguero would cost like £40m-50m, and we could pay his wages for 5-6 years and it would be roughly what they give a baseball player on a contract. And lets not forget that he would surely shift a few shirts.

Like I said, I don't think such a deal will happen but NESV have sprung up surprises at the Red Sox. {ed's note - they don't have to pay transfer fees in baseball.}

if u read it properly ed, ull see he says the transfer fee and his wages together would be around the same amount as what they paid in wages to a baseball player recently, nesv ofcourse won't do this with every player they buy, but they will wanna make a statement tothe football world that they r here to win and a player of his calibre would certainly show that, and hed sell shirts, alot of them too, , im not saying it will happen but if they want fans to believe in them they need a signing as big as this

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23 Dec 2010 19:05:42
When is Johnson coming out . . . . . . . . . . . as a train spotter ?

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23 Dec 2010 18:57:38
Seems everything Roy Hodgson says is trying to distance himself from LFC expectations whilst trying to give himself a period of atleast 2 years and many transfer windows just to create a half decent competitive team .

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23 Dec 2010 18:45:59
He signed while hodgson was in charg so he was his signing, , ,
Roy was in switzalnd wen deal for Joe was done had nothing to do with toys future visions for the club. Jamie rednapp signed Jo cole for Liverpool. With the words he would become a kop legend like Kk if he were to come to lfc,

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23 Dec 2010 18:41:53
Do you think raul merieles is doing. personally i think he has been one of our best players so far this season. Also do you think there will be any big signings in jan
Romee

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23 Dec 2010 18:39:32
Liverpool Rumours
I DO NOT WANT BENITEZ BACK! LOOK WHAT HE DONE TO OUR SQUAD! we need torres to leave for 40 - 50 million and add 35 million from owners we then have 75 to 85 million to spend on a great new first team and squad! get honda, a left back, a winger and maybe two top strikers what do you think ed who will we sign in january!?

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23 Dec 2010 18:30:23
NESV need to get rid of RH now and not wait until the end of the season while we still have an outside chance of qualifiying for the CL because with RH shocking away record we can forget about playing in the CL next season and it wouldn't surprise me if players like Pepe Reina and El Nino wouldn't accept not playing in the CL for the 2nd season in a row and decided that they wanted to leave our club.Our new owners in my opinion should appoint King Kenny till the end of the season then go for a young hungry ambitious manager like the brilliant Porto boss Andre Villas Boas before one of the big clubs across Europe snap him up.A happy Christmas to everyone from Malta

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23 Dec 2010 18:25:12
Liverpool Rumours
In all seriousness we won't sign Kun Aguero as much as I'd love us to. The Ed is right his wages and fee are too much for us and put off the likes of City and Chelsea. We need to grab the diamonds in the rough who have desire.

Spriggo
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It won't happen, but if NESV can give baseball players contracts worth $150m (like £100m) then there's no reason why they couldn't do the same here. They appear to have the funding available to do so. Aguero would cost like £40m-50m, and we could pay his wages for 5-6 years and it would be roughly what they give a baseball player on a contract. And lets not forget that he would surely shift a few shirts.

Like I said, I don't think such a deal will happen but NESV have sprung up surprises at the Red Sox. {ed's note - they don't have to pay transfer fees in baseball.}
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Yea I know. That's why I just mentioned the contracts they give players. I was just really making the point that we could pay Aguero's wages for 5-6 years and pay his large transfer fee for what they'll be spending on player contracts. But I don't think we'll ever pay a player £200k per week anyway and I don't think we'll get Aguero.

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23 Dec 2010 18:22:45
Liverpool Rumours
23 Dec 2010 17:07:17
Liverpool Rumours
Apparently we are re-linked with Ricky Van Wolfswinkel who has scored 19 goals so far this season. Another prolific scorer playing not playing at top level. Although he has scored many goals in the dutch league, when he played against us he went missing from the game and showed no quality. Similar to cavani of napoli, scores in almost every match but at both the world cup and the double games against us he played poorly.

E.H LFC

He went missing in the game because he broke his collar bone at about 20 min mark.

I believe he would be a good buy, but as stated he is injured now. Then again, if we wait, he may get snapped up by someone else. There lies the problem, what to do for a young talent?

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23 Dec 2010 18:13:41
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Torres took a pay cut to join liverpool from athletico because he wanted to play for us. if aguero wanted to play for us i am sure he would do the same. his wages in spain are due a cut soon anyway due to the spanish government about to hike up the tax for footballers. if he loves football more than money then where better to go than liverpool to play up front with torres? even if we had to pay £40m and wages of 200k a week i would say go for it. if nesv can't afford that then why take over the club to begin with? we need a world class forward more than anything else. it might be wishfull thinking but if nesv want us at the top we need the best players. man utd, arsenal, chelsea, man city and tottenham all have better teams. to leapfrog them all we need huge investment.

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23 Dec 2010 18:11:38
Liverpool Rumours
Interesting picture of rafa outside his home on sightings

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23 Dec 2010 17:59:48
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Liverpool can not afford aguero me personnally would like ricky van wolfswinkel he also fits into nesv plans for young players. . . . what do you think ed {ed's note - he was awful against us.}

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23 Dec 2010 17:47:57
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How about philip lahm he is a very versitile player can play as lb or rb and also good going forward he would cost more then the baldy we have and even glen
but a solid reliable defender

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23 Dec 2010 17:46:31
Liverpool Rumours
I DO NOT WANT BENITEZ BACK! LOOK WHAT HE DONE TO OUR SQUAD! we need torres to leave for 40 - 50 million and add 35 million from owners we then have 75 to 85 million to spend on a great new first team and squad! get honda, a left back, a winger and maybe two top strikers what do you think ed who will we sign in january!?

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23 Dec 2010 17:39:43
Ronaldinho wud be a great signing if you ask me. His wages wud be helped by the money gained by his own shirt sales, he's of the quality we need to compete at the top, although he is lazy and dosnt work very hard, wen he is on the ball he can produce magic that not many players in the world can produce. And at a reasonably low price (out of contract at end of season) he would be a very good adition to our attack along with a out and out striker and pacey winger. if we improve the following positions we cud defo compete next season:
Right back; Striker; central attacking midfielder; Right/ left winger.

E.H LFC

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23 Dec 2010 17:27:52
I for one would love Rafa back! ! The bloke is a legend! !

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23 Dec 2010 17:23:32
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I Don't C The Point Of Signing Honda In January He Has Asia Cup 2 Compete In And He'll Want A Rest After
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He's had a rest because the season with CSKA Moscow finished in like November I think. So if he joined, he'd play the Asian Cup with Japan, and have 4months playing here before he gets another pre-season.

He won't need a rest.

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23 Dec 2010 17:07:46
23 Dec 2010 16:48:21
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Roy Hodgson today admitted in a skysports interview that he did not sign Joe Cole. Therefore he only made one good signing (Meireles). Fans have been protesting to get Benitez back in the hot seat.

he signed while hodgson was in charg so he was his signing, , ,

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23 Dec 2010 17:03:34
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2 christmas gtifts coming the fans way 1 major 1 reasonible 1 announced later tonight or early morning another late tommo afternoon you need to belive this lads. . .

sausage sarnie
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I have given up!

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23 Dec 2010 17:02:43
Liverpool Rumours
2 christmas gtifts coming the fans way 1 major 1 reasonible 1 announced later tonight or early morning another late tommo afternoon you need to belive this lads. . .

sausage sarnie

well my freind, spill the beans! don't just dangle a carrot in front of the donkey!, or are you being a bad egg!

bacon bap

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23 Dec 2010 17:01:37
God Bless the Eds.

Merry Chrimbo lids.

Spriggs

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23 Dec 2010 16:58:54
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23 Dec 2010 13:36:05
In response to:
"plus, if Ronaldinho doesn't go off to brazil, should get him purely based on financial gain of marketing. .imagine the commercial revenue of having what of the greats"

you are no different to Hicks and Gillet - you money grabbing shyshter - we are here to win football matches not fill up anyones bank account for the sake of it - I can't belive some of the tripe that people put on here sometimes.
Are you a footbal supporter or an investment w*lker!

to be fair he has a point, , every club needs money to compete so if u wanna win football matches then u gotta have the players capable of winning matches therefore u need big money to compete

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23 Dec 2010 16:54:50
Talksport now having a go at roy for slagging players off in public, saying how disgraceful he is,

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23 Dec 2010 16:50:50
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23 Dec 2010 15:40:09
Liverpool Rumours
Just a tought, liverpool need a cb, and chris samba is going to be on the market , he is only 26 and would be better than sum off the defenders we have

{Editor's Note: Chris, I know you are looking for a new job, but please stop posting here.}

ha ha nice

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23 Dec 2010 16:48:21
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgson today admitted in a skysports interview that he did not sign Joe Cole. Therefore he only made one good signing (Meireles). Fans have been protesting to get Benitez back in the hot seat.

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23 Dec 2010 16:45:41
Bookies odd for next manager (cos when hodgson hecks up again) 5/ 2 frank rijkaard , hiddink 5/ 1, benitez 5/ 1, o neill 5/ 1 , my guess is o neill but i would say hiddink would be an interesting one

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23 Dec 2010 16:44:09
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Well i think that liverpool need a striker ( auguero suarez dzeko benzema ) winger ( mata turan ) cb ( don't no many good cbs ) lb ( same as cb ) and i would love to see bale in a liverpool shirtbut won't happen i don't tink. but also we should have a mid of aqua gerrard and meireles.

Y N W A

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23 Dec 2010 16:38:08
Ipetitions.com/ petition/ bringbackrafa

If you want him back, sign it. If not, at least you can see how it's going

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23 Dec 2010 16:33:51
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"{Editor's Note: You cannot compare the EPL to the baseball leagues. Aguero would cost something like £200k a week in wages alone - on top of a very significant transfer fee. He has also recently signed a new contract at Atletico. It really is not going to happen.}

There seems to be such an obsession with Aguero. Torres was a brilliant buy, but Aguero is smaller and less physical and could turn out to be flop. While anyone can flop, a hugely expensive flop would be a setback to NESV's long-term plans. I'd rather go for 2 or 3 significantly less expensive but young and talented players.

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23 Dec 2010 16:27:26
I think we should change our formation- more attacking to a 4-1-2-3.
We would have
pepe
johnson (untill summer- should buy santon)
Agger (untill selling him in jan)
Skrtel
Aurelio(Buy-tawio-free or coentrao in summer)
Banega (holding midfield)
Gerrard(playmakers)
Merieles(playmakers-preffered position) also cole could play here

With torres. honda and maybe adam johnson or hulk up top (kuyt or maxi play with torres andjohnson/ hulk untill honda comes from asia cup.

would easily finish top 4 plus with extra signings in summer could challenge for title next season.

Also give roy untill end of season.

RedKaley

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23 Dec 2010 16:22:21
Liverpool Rumours
Would love some shrewd buys like Finnan. A couple of good buys like him and the Alonso deal (back at the time) were spot on for us. Those players didn't cost a fortune but slotted right into our setup. What we need is those type of buys now.

Spriggo

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23 Dec 2010 16:21:19
Bring in:
Deschamps with Houghton no.2
Rafa with Carragher no.2
Martinez with Shearer no.2

Either way, sack Roy and Sammy Lee, both so negative!

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23 Dec 2010 16:15:52
Jamie Carragher should not be fast tracked into management, imo he is a to explosive character to be a success, look at Roy Keane Phil Thompson , Steve Mcmahon. Stuart Pierce. Being abrasive is not a great quality in management especially in this day and age, where you are dealing with players who hold all the Aces.Be honest if you went to work and your boss was abusive towards you, I think you will be looking for another company to work for.Jamie is to opinionated. He should go and fair his trade in the lower leagues where he will learn how to gain the respect of players.Then consider him if he does well.I personally can not see the attraction fans have with him. Nobody would want to work for him.He is to aggressive.

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23 Dec 2010 16:13:03
I was watching LFC TV last night, and it was showing some goals from only a few years ago in the Champions League. It seems like a million years ago now, and how I miss those CL nights. We were truly feared and respected throughout Europe, and we (and every opponent) believed we could beat anyone.

How can things have gone so badly wrong so quickly? We are doing averagely in a very weak Europa League, and worse than that in the league. Our squad is so weak compared to those "glory years", without Alonso, Mascherano and Hyypia.

We are in grave danger of slipping away into the gloom of mediocrity, and as proved in the league this year, losing the fear factor when teams play us, even at home.

So what is the answer? Get rid of Roy. .almost certainly. . bring back Rafa?. . probably not.

NESV have a serious job on their hands, and the next 6-12 months is a critical time in the history of the club. We either rescue the position quickly, or drift away, and risk it being another decade before we even get back to being a serious CL challenger.

This is heartbreaking as a lifelong LFC fan, and I think we have the right owners now, but the first proof of the pudding will be in January, to see the type of players bought (and sold), and then whenever they change the manager, who they appoint.

For me we need a young manager with fresh ideas and lots of hunger. With such a rebuilding job to do, we cannot appoint a manager in his sixties who cannot possibly carry out the job for more than a few years.

Here's to a good 2011 for LFC, with some wise buys in January, and let's go mad and wish for a top 4 finish. .please santa!

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23 Dec 2010 16:08:17
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Liverpool should buy Baines and Dann.
Both are liverpudlian LFC fans.

A few years back it was said that players who come from a community and play for a club cental to that community were a dyeing breed in football, especially in England.

Gerrard and Carragher are so important to LFC, not just for their footballing abilities but because they are locals.

Baines and Dann will no doubt improve our defence and will keep the tradition of local players playing for LFC.

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23 Dec 2010 15:59:05
Again i understand the Rafa brigade but I also understand the ones against.

A confused - Bob Loblaw


I always thought that Poulsen was bought to replace Lucas tbh, so I see where you're coming from. Man, Lucas took some stick right enough when you look back.

ferd

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23 Dec 2010 15:55:37
Yes i knew there was some middle ground and LAVERS agrees with me about Parry. It might end there and we both support the same club but still.

And in response to Bob Laidlaw. I have little doubt that the majority of Rafa's earlier signings were 2nd, 3rd and even 4th choice, towards the end he was given no money to spend but that was from ticking them off and the fact they had bleed the club dry.

But in fairness he had no excuses for some of the signings, they were utter carp. And whilst we can all turn round in hindsight and say they were carp, there were some who we thought at the time were carp, they started carp and finished carp and by the time we booted them out we all said they are utter carp. A little like the Konchesky signings.

So whilst i will always bang the Rafa drum i do so with the knowledge he made enough mistakes for a debate to be raging about whether he was good or bad.

What has made this debate far easier for me is the performance of the team this season which has hit depper lows than even the most anti Rafa LFC fan thought possible.

Mind you, if you follow me on the main banter page, i'd have still argued he was the best manager we had since 1990 even if we were top.

Bob the Red

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23 Dec 2010 15:53:42
I don't think benitez is up to the Blackburn job. They wouldn't have the money for him to spend. Also Blackburn fans are not quiet intelligent and would see right through him. I can see him at Newcastle within a few months.

JoseK

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23 Dec 2010 15:38:27
RAFA FAILS AGAIN AND STILL MAKES MORE THAN £12M IN PAYOFFS

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Well most of the people consider this season we have not been upto the mark. . . . .

Hodgson has made almost six signings (though some not his preference but choice still). . . . .

Jovanovich, Konchesky (in exchange we let two academy players away), Poulsen, Cole, Wilson, Meirelles

He is still the manager of Liverpool. . . . .

Rafa didn't make even a single signing in Inter Milan

Inter, instead let Balotelli go. . . brought back Coutinho from Vasco De Gama (where he was on LOAN). . . .

But Rafa was sacked as the Inter Milan Coach. . .

People say Rafa is a politician, but its hard to believe that arguement given the events of the last week. . . He could have shut his mouth and gone on like that but he didn't and stood up to Moratti. . .But people as they are WILL STILL CANE RAFA. . . .

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23 Dec 2010 15:33:22
What a surprise that the Joe Cole move hasn, t worked out. I posted on here during the summer that he was a spent force but all the forums were jammed by deluded fans claiming he was the next best thing to Messi. I said give it until christmas and he will be found out and you know its bad when even the manager doesn't rate him. I have to laugh when you hear he is struggling for form and confidence, believe me he is playing at full tilt and simply doesn't have it anymore. He wouldn't stand out in the championship I am convinced. No pace, no goals, no assists, no nothing other than hot air and him talking himself up continuously. Lets face it Chelsea have far superior youngsters to Cole and they must be laughing at the lack of impact made and the fact he is off the wage bill and its no longer dead money. If this guy ever plays for England again then we may as well bring back players from previous decades because they would offer more than this joker. It is time to cut losses and save further embarrassment for both club and player. With the money he has in the bank Cole should be advised to retire because he peaked at 23/ 24.

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23 Dec 2010 15:24:44
Liverpool Rumours
Just seen honda. There's another one
there's another one
there's another one
crap i'm in swindon's honda factory

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23 Dec 2010 15:18:17
Under rafa we were feared around europe. now we are laughing stock in england
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Number 1 seeds in the Champions league for 2 years. We beat Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal, Marseilles, Porto, PSV, Besiktas, Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan under Rafa. Now we are supposed to be grateful of a 0-0 home draw against a 'difficult' Utrecht, playing Joe Cole and a defensive Left side player protecting Konchesky. A joke really.

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But the Eds would prefer the 0-0 draws. . .
I am still thinking where is the next Liverpool manager going to come from??

{Editor's Note: And I am sure we will find out in the summer.}

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23 Dec 2010 15:16:45
2 questions was g Johnson 3rd or 4th choice as well? And did we need him?

LAVERS

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23 Dec 2010 15:00:00
Well i kicked off the 'Bring Rafa back' posts a few days ago. . . . you think that i may have known something? ?

Bob the Red (wink, wink)

PS Rafa and Pako are again an item and have been for awhile. How does the saying go? 2 plus 2 is. . . . . . . . .


i would luv it. rafa has big point to prove now. under new owners he would bring title and the respect back that we have lost over the last 6 months. we are laughing stock pepers and top clubs are luving that we have roy. us having roy is win win situation for all except liverpool. he carries on doing wot he doing and wer no threat to anyone. manure can take our record. and he roy does succeed then england will get him as soon as he gets the respect.( wich he will never get as he is not going to bring us anythin ) he is never a liverpool manager and never will be ive said it from start not just because he isn't winning. just because he at liverpool does that mean he can start winning away from home? he couldnt beat relagation teams away
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I am unsure on Rafa, as Ive said in the past Im not sure wether it was the money constraint thing and signed cheaper versions of players he initially wanted or if he actually rated some of the players he bought, but he did his job with an arm tied behind his back. Then again he does have a stubborn nature as well and has seems to kick off at people above him. I know he had a good reason at Valencia and certainly at LFC but why was he having ago at Inter Bosses, wre they tighteneing the purse strings or something? Does anyone know. I would however love to see Paco back at the club as I thought he was first class. Again I torn on the raffa issue as I think he made a fair few mistakes at LFC and did a fair few great things. I always thought him sticking with lucas in the middle was a main reason for him loosing his job, but If he hadn't done that then we might not have seen the improvement that we have seen this year from Lucas. I do know that I am not happy with the current regime, that's for sure but I also feel Rafa may have burnt some bridges in terms of some of the players. I am not sure the like of Torres and gerrard would want to play for Rafa again.

Again i understand the Rafa brigade but I also understand the ones against.

A confused - Bob Loblaw

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23 Dec 2010 14:48:35
Lets stop arguing. Where not a top team anymore lets face it. . Wait til Jan see the players we sign and in the summer no doubt if Roy has done bad he will be sacked. As humans we all have opinions, we all have our own minds, I for one loved Rafa but accept he has gone and is never coming back. As Reds we all want one thing, success. Lets stop bickering and support our team.

BloodRedMatt

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23 Dec 2010 14:47:54
Agree about parry but still rafa had his chance and its time for a new manager to have a crack at the job. If rafa came back it would be the same old stuff, people saying we where in champs league every season we were but only just a couple of times. Let's have a quick poll who thinks parry is a tweet press velo.

LAVERS

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23 Dec 2010 14:39:55
Bob the Red (putting the Rafa back campaign into overdrive.)

Why on earth do you want rafa back? he is not the manager for us! face it. if he was so good at managing why would he of got the sack 6 months into the inter job? even roy hodgson has lasted longer than him, benitez inherited a treble winning side with champions league and serie a titles , hodgson inherited most of benitez's mess. im not saying roy brought in great players because konchesky and poulsen are a joke. Rafa turned inter from a great team , to a s* t team in 6 months , and i don't want him to take us backwards even more.

DLG

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23 Dec 2010 14:34:44
Oh and whilst on the subject of Rafa getting stiched up time and again in relation to his overall transfer targets

Simao Sambrosa had actually verbally agreed to join the club, the two clubs had verbally agreed a fee, Simao had actually done his medical at Melwood and passed and then the penny dropped

Plick Parry thought the deal was agreed at £10.7M (GBP) and $13.1M (euro's, i don't have a euro symbol on my qwerty).

Benfica thought the deal was £13.1M (GBP). Parry refused to pay the 'extra' as he thought they were pulling a fast one. Benfica pulled the plug when they realised they weren't dealing with a gentleman.

I can tell you from eye witnesses that Rafa lost his temper big time and Simao had to catch the next flight home. This was the first of three major cock up's by Parry.

I kid you not. This was how mickey mouse Parry was. But still with Simao, Alves and Vidic in the side we wouldn't have won the league in 2008 would we? Course not.

Bob the Red (putting the Rafa back campaign into overdrive.)

Right i'm off to tweet John. . again about one free, top class manager who happens to live within a stone's throw, later dudes!

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I haven't had it confirmed by any sources, because I don't really have any, but I have heard a few pwople say that Rick Parry refused the alves deal and wouldn't pay 14 million for him. A year later he went for 24 million I think. Definate cock up by Parry. I think Rick Parry has done quite a bit of damage to our club over the last couple of years.

Bob Loblaw

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23 Dec 2010 14:33:10
Liverpool Rumours
Carragher should be our no.2 under a top class manager for a few years, with a view to becoming our manager later in his coaching career. the guy is a legend now, ive always believed in the saying, 'quit while you're ahead', which is why i think after this season he should take the role. this will also give him the experience required if he was to become england manager in the future.

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23 Dec 2010 14:21:27
Oh and whilst on the subject of Rafa getting stiched up time and again in relation to his overall transfer targets

Simao Sambrosa had actually verbally agreed to join the club, the two clubs had verbally agreed a fee, Simao had actually done his medical at Melwood and passed and then the penny dropped

Plick Parry thought the deal was agreed at £10.7M (GBP) and $13.1M (euro's, i don't have a euro symbol on my qwerty).

Benfica thought the deal was £13.1M (GBP). Parry refused to pay the 'extra' as he thought they were pulling a fast one. Benfica pulled the plug when they realised they weren't dealing with a gentleman.

I can tell you from eye witnesses that Rafa lost his temper big time and Simao had to catch the next flight home. This was the first of three major cock up's by Parry.

I kid you not. This was how mickey mouse Parry was. But still with Simao, Alves and Vidic in the side we wouldn't have won the league in 2008 would we? Course not.

Bob the Red (putting the Rafa back campaign into overdrive.)

Right i'm off to tweet John. . again about one free, top class manager who happens to live within a stone's throw, later dudes!

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23 Dec 2010 14:19:24
23 Dec 2010 14:08:11
Well i kicked off the 'Bring Rafa back' posts a few days ago. . . . you think that i may have known something? ?

Bob the Red (wink, wink)

PS Rafa and Pako are again an item and have been for awhile. How does the saying go? 2 plus 2 is. . . . . . . . .


i would luv it. rafa has big point to prove now. under new owners he would bring title and the respect back that we have lost over the last 6 months. we are laughing stock pepers and top clubs are luving that we have roy. us having roy is win win situation for all except liverpool. he carries on doing wot he doing and wer no threat to anyone. manure can take our record. and he roy does succeed then england will get him as soon as he gets the respect.( wich he will never get as he is not going to bring us anythin ) he is never a liverpool manager and never will be ive said it from start not just because he isn't winning. just because he at liverpool does that mean he can start winning away from home? he couldnt beat relagation teams away.

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23 Dec 2010 14:19:06
And remember it was the media and press who really wanted to partner Gerrard and Barry together at Liverpool because of their friendship and excellent partnership in midfield with england. I believe Rafa wanted both Barry and Alonso but H&G wouldn't release money, so Rafa sadly tried to offload Alonso to Juventus.
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I remember at the time (summer 2008) Martin Lipton in The Mirror slagging off Alonso saying Barry was a far better player and also that Alonso was much older than Barry. Alonso is in fact several years younger than Barry. Just shows the rubbish written by the London based press.

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23 Dec 2010 14:14:21
How does the saying go? 2 plus 2 is. . . . . . . . .4?

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23 Dec 2010 14:14:21
How does the saying go? 2 plus 2 is. . . . . . . . .4?

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23 Dec 2010 14:12:57
23 Dec 2010 13:57:49
23 Dec 2010 13:36:39
He ain't coming back, we don't want him back, thanks but no thanks, get over it. He had his chance with us, he gave it a good go, but just fell short. He is not a bad manager, we just don't need him anymore in our current situation.
He needs us more than we need him. Roy will go sonner rather than later, we have to trust NESV with the next appointment. I am sure it will not be Rafa.

RED FIRST & LAST
right i can understand some ppl arguing not to go back, we need to go fowards, not so long ago he was along with morinio to be the best tacitcal managers around, he has proved that many times over, he was set to fail as fans turned against them over him. at least i would give him the job untill end of season untill owners get right man in that they want. roy has already told us not to expect anythin for next few seasons ( even to finish 4th) rafa would not except that for for us fans he would push and push his players. yes we all knew this season was over months ago but roy is telling us our next fe seasons are over. no one can tell me roy is better man to stay with club till end of season, am affraid if we don't make CL again its going to be long time to get back, nesv should be pulling all to get us back into it for next season. i would like to see kenny in charge but that not going to happen if it was it would have already.
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You have to admit though that it is nice that the Benitez family consider Merseyside to be home, where they are happiest and where their friends are.
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It is one over on those people who consistently slag off Merseyside and the City of Liverpool without knowing anything at all and not realising it is fine part of the world and the people are the most genorous fun loving people in the country. A great place to live. Fact.

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23 Dec 2010 14:11:19
Winning games titles and cups brings fans and support from everywhere, = money , we are liverpool not madrid going out to buy just to sell shirts. yes if the player will give 110 % to winning but not just to sell shirts wen he carnt improve the team on a saturday afteroon come 3pm. liverpool fans like to watch good football! ! ! erm maybe we should go and buy a cpl of chinese japanise and north AND south koreans have a whole team of asians ay look at shirt sales we will have then ay then after a few years ov selling shirts we can go out and but then ay. come on its about the player how he plays get young man instead to sell in future for dredits he has gave lfc

what do you think are the real reasons behind the honda purchase? unfortunately modern day football is no longer just about the sport, its money. .asia is a massive market that lfc have a good foot hold in. come on epople, we have to be realistic

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23 Dec 2010 14:08:11
Well i kicked off the 'Bring Rafa back' posts a few days ago. . . . you think that i may have known something? ?

Bob the Red (wink, wink)

PS Rafa and Pako are again an item and have been for awhile. How does the saying go? 2 plus 2 is. . . . . . . . .

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23 Dec 2010 14:08:07
23 Dec 2010 14:02:51
Under rafa we were feared around europe. now we are laughing stock in england
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Number 1 seeds in the Champions league for 2 years. We beat Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal, Marseilles, Porto, PSV, Besiktas, Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan under Rafa. Now we are supposed to be grateful of a 0-0 home draw against a 'difficult' Utrecht, playing Joe Cole and a defensive Left side player protecting Konchesky. A joke really.

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23 Dec 2010 14:06:36
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Just looking at ssn and odds for rafa next club, i have a hell of a lot of respect for rafa, but i do not want to see him in prem against us. he will bite the arses off us. he will win prem he was to go to city.

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23 Dec 2010 14:03:42
23 Dec 2010 13:51:59
RAFA FAILS AGAIN AND STILL MAKES MORE THAN £12M IN PAYOFFS

FAILED?? ? FOR f* * SAKE HE WAS THERE FOR 6 f* *ING MONTHS SORRY ED FOR MY CHOSEN WORDS, he is 13 points behind top spot with 2 games in hand, he has brand new culture to learn, italian football to learn injuries to deal with, so wot morinho won champs league with them last season so does that mean if he dosnt go 6 months unbeaten he is a loser?? come on ay lad. . . rafa failed cos he wasnt aloud his first choices and made to fail at liverpool and last season he'd had his heart ripped out by all the headaches coming from above him. ok he made some bad moves in subs and match day starting team. how can you say failed again?? ? 1 bad season 1 buy away from title ( barry to rest gerrard and alonso, in the west ham and cpl other games he rested them and we drew) just because owners wouldn't give villa extra 2 mill as they could have got him cheaper in the summer. well it proved the wrong didn't it cos we lost him altogether.
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And remember it was the media and press who really wanted to partner Gerrard and Barry together at Liverpool because of their friendship and excellent partnership in midfield with england. I believe Rafa wanted both Barry and Alonso but H&G wouldn't release money, so Rafa sadly tried to offload Alonso to Juventus.

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23 Dec 2010 14:02:51
Under rafa we were feared around europe. now we are laughing stock in england

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23 Dec 2010 14:01:40
So your idea of realism is to pick a fat ageing player who is past it, would cost 100k a week plus in wages and will not help us in the long term. He would not even get in the side today, what makes you think he would get picked when we have got some decent players. Get real we to want win matches not buy players who are looking for a payday and look good in a Tv advert in Brasil and Japan . I don't want to spend millions we do not have either, just saying that we need to spend wisely.

fair enough, but i can guarantee you over a dead ball or a killer pass, hes still got it. he may not be as 'athletic' as he was, but you don't lose the instinct. with a bit of training an exercise he'd be a quality buy. on and off the pitch

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23 Dec 2010 14:00:57
Liverpool Rumours
"plus, if Ronaldinho doesn't go off to brazil, should get him purely based on financial gain of marketing. .imagine the commercial revenue of having what of the greats"

you are no different to Hicks and Gillet - you money grabbing shyshter - we are here to win football matches not fill up anyones bank account for the sake of it - I can't belive some of the tripe that people put on here sometimes.
Are you a footbal supporter or an investment w*lker!

To the second poster. . And without money how do we sign new players? . . .Oh that's right I forgot about the money tree in the Stanley Park
to the other 2 posters, he is right.
winning games titles and cups brings fans and support from everywhere, = money , we are liverpool not madrid going out to buy just to sell shirts. yes if the player will give 110 % to winning but not just to sell shirts wen he carnt improve the team on a saturday afteroon come 3pm. liverpool fans like to watch good football! ! ! ! ! erm maybe we should go and buy a cpl of chinese japanise and north AND south koreans have a whole team of asians ay look at shirt sales we will have then ay then after a few years ov selling shirts we can go out and but then ay. come on its about the player how he plays get young man instead to sell in future for dredits he has gave lfc

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23 Dec 2010 13:57:49
23 Dec 2010 13:36:39
He ain't coming back, we don't want him back, thanks but no thanks, get over it. He had his chance with us, he gave it a good go, but just fell short. He is not a bad manager, we just don't need him anymore in our current situation.
He needs us more than we need him. Roy will go sonner rather than later, we have to trust NESV with the next appointment. I am sure it will not be Rafa.

RED FIRST & LAST
right i can understand some ppl arguing not to go back, we need to go fowards, not so long ago he was along with morinio to be the best tacitcal managers around, he has proved that many times over, he was set to fail as fans turned against them over him. at least i would give him the job untill end of season untill owners get right man in that they want. roy has already told us not to expect anythin for next few seasons ( even to finish 4th) rafa would not except that for for us fans he would push and push his players. yes we all knew this season was over months ago but roy is telling us our next fe seasons are over. no one can tell me roy is better man to stay with club till end of season, am affraid if we don't make CL again its going to be long time to get back, nesv should be pulling all to get us back into it for next season. i would like to see kenny in charge but that not going to happen if it was it would have already.
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You have to admit though that it is nice that the Benitez family consider Merseyside to be home, where they are happiest and where their friends are.

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23 Dec 2010 13:57:04
".where do you think the money has to come from? unfortunately its not out your arse mate so before you mouth of think about the realistic side to football
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so your idea of realism is to pick a fat ageing player who is past it, would cost 100k a week plus in wages and will not help us in the long term. He would not even get in the side today, what makes you think he would get picked when we have got some decent players. Get real we to want win matches not buy players who are looking for a payday and look good in a Tv advert in Brasil and Japan . I don't want to spend millions we do not have either, just saying that we need to spend wisely.

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23 Dec 2010 13:51:59
RAFA FAILS AGAIN AND STILL MAKES MORE THAN £12M IN PAYOFFS

FAILED?? ?? ?? FOR f*** SAKE HE WAS THERE FOR 6 f***ING MONTHS SORRY ED FOR MY CHOSEN WORDS, he is 13 points behind top spot with 2 games in hand, he has brand new culture to learn, italian football to learn injuries to deal with, so wot morinho won champs league with them last season so does that mean if he dosnt go 6 months unbeaten he is a loser?? ? come on ay lad. . . rafa failed cos he wasnt aloud his first choices and made to fail at liverpool and last season he'd had his heart ripped out by all the headaches coming from above him. ok he made some bad moves in subs and match day starting team. how can you say failed again?? ?? ? 1 bad season 1 buy away from title ( barry to rest gerrard and alonso, in the west ham and cpl other games he rested them and we drew) just because owners wouldn't give villa extra 2 mill as they could have got him cheaper in the summer. well it proved the wrong didn't it cos we lost him altogether.

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23 Dec 2010 13:49:25
Liverpool Rumours
"plus, if Ronaldinho doesn't go off to brazil, should get him purely based on financial gain of marketing. .imagine the commercial revenue of having what of the greats"

you are no different to Hicks and Gillet - you money grabbing shyshter - we are here to win football matches not fill up anyones bank account for the sake of it - I can't belive some of the tripe that people put on here sometimes.
Are you a footbal supporter or an investment w*lker!

To the second poster. . And without money how do we sign new players? . . .Oh that's right I forgot about the money tree in the Stanley Park

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23 Dec 2010 13:47:09
He ain't coming back, we don't want him back, thanks but no thanks, get over it. He had his chance with us, he gave it a good go, but just fell short. He is not a bad manager, we just don't need him anymore in our current situation.
He needs us more than we need him. Roy will go sonner rather than later, we have to trust NESV with the next appointment. I am sure it will not be Rafa.

RED FIRST & LAST
right i can understand some ppl arguing not to go back, we need to go fowards, not so long ago he was along with morinio to be the best tacitcal managers around, he has proved that many times over, he was set to fail as fans turned against them over him. at least i would give him the job untill end of season untill owners get right man in that they want. roy has already told us not to expect anythin for next few seasons ( even to finish 4th) rafa would not except that for for us fans he would push and push his players. yes we all knew this season was over months ago but roy is telling us our next fe seasons are over. no one can tell me roy is better man to stay with club till end of season, am affraid if we don't make CL again its going to be long time to get back, nesv should be pulling all to get us back into it for next season. i would like to see kenny in charge but that not going to happen if it was it would have already.

We aint finishing 4th - with or without Rafa. We don't have the firepower, we don't have points, we don't have the skill. style or passion. Face it we are almost strating from scratch for the longer term. We have only two truly world class outfield players steve G has no more that 2-3 years left at his best, Torres is possibly never going to regain his speed/ shrpness after all his injuries. We need to start again. Rafa will just revert to type and pick fights when thinsg do not go his way. Look at his track record.

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23 Dec 2010 13:43:35
Liverpool Rumours
You are no different to Hicks and Gillet - you money grabbing shyshter - we are here to win football matches not fill up anyones bank account for the sake of it - I can't belive some of the tripe that people put on here sometimes.
Are you a footbal supporter or an investment w*lker!

the reason LFcC hasnt won a title in the last 20 years is beacause we failed to capitalise on the commercial revenue from outr success in the 70's and 80's.
As much as i love LFC sa a sport, at the end of the day its a business.
so what would you have us do, throw money we don't have at players. i bet your one of the fans saying how we should buy mata, hazard benzema. .'just spend £35 million'. .where do you think the money has to come from? unfortunately its not out your arse mate so before you mouth of think about the realistic side to football

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23 Dec 2010 13:43:12
Liverpool Rumours
22 Dec 2010 19:05:10
Rafa visited alder hey with the squad 2day(check the photos on the website) and the Gerrards are going to his house for Xmas dinner.

I want more nights like Athens 2007 or Cardiff 2005 that's what Rafa gave us.

RETURN OF THE KING

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23 Dec 2010 13:41:47
The likely hood of either player signing in Jan is slim but if we had a choice between 'Hulk' (Agree) or 'Augero' (Disagree), who would you choose?

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23 Dec 2010 13:39:17
Liverpool Rumours
Who thinks rafa would do better job till end of season than roy is doing? i think he would even do the job for nothing till end of season till owners got there man. believeable to be better than roy unbel for roy to do better that rafa till end season.

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23 Dec 2010 13:36:39
He ain't coming back, we don't want him back, thanks but no thanks, get over it. He had his chance with us, he gave it a good go, but just fell short. He is not a bad manager, we just don't need him anymore in our current situation.
He needs us more than we need him. Roy will go sonner rather than later, we have to trust NESV with the next appointment. I am sure it will not be Rafa.

RED FIRST & LAST
right i can understand some ppl arguing not to go back, we need to go fowards, not so long ago he was along with morinio to be the best tacitcal managers around, he has proved that many times over, he was set to fail as fans turned against them over him. at least i would give him the job untill end of season untill owners get right man in that they want. roy has already told us not to expect anythin for next few seasons ( even to finish 4th) rafa would not except that for for us fans he would push and push his players. yes we all knew this season was over months ago but roy is telling us our next fe seasons are over. no one can tell me roy is better man to stay with club till end of season, am affraid if we don't make CL again its going to be long time to get back, nesv should be pulling all to get us back into it for next season. i would like to see kenny in charge but that not going to happen if it was it would have already.

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23 Dec 2010 13:33:26
23 Dec 2010 12:44:13
Liverpool Rumours
This page was last updated: 12:39:07 GMT+1

23 Dec 2010 12:38:39
Liverpool Rumours
GK; RIENA
RB; M.RICHARDS
LB; TAIWO
CB; D.AGGER
CB; J.CARRA/ D.WILSON
RM; M.KELLY
LM; ELIA
CM; GERRARD
CM; MERLIES
RF; TORRES
LF; HONDA

Why move kelly up to right mid?
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ha ha ! Funniest s* te I have seen all day. Can you imagine massive Martin Kelly bombing down the wing? He is only what 6'4? Although he is pretty mobile for such a big player, I think this is taking it a bit too far. What's next, Agger on the left wing and Carra in the hole?
Anfield Rapstar

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23 Dec 2010 13:27:18
Liverpool Rumours
Firstly, we can't sign Mata, hes on the verge of signing a new deal anyway.
Good signings would be Lakutu in the summer. .(even check out his younger brother)
Young in Jan
Attacking LB
Honda
Benzema

plus, if Ronaldinho doesn't go off to brazil, should get him purely based on financial gain of marketing. .imagine the commercial revenue of having what of the greats

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23 Dec 2010 13:20:41
"{Editor's Note:. .-his being here right now is incredibly disruptive for everyone at the club.}"

What are you implying here, mate?That Rafa Benitez, a man who has a home and a family here, shouldn't be here. cause he still has supporters who might want him back and that won't bode well for the underpressured, mediocre Hogdson and his horribly floundering reign?

(And let me guess, if things were going well for Hodgson, Rafa being here wouldn't be a problem, huh?So Rafa gets to carry the can for Hodgson's failings?Unbelievable.

Your comments are a gross insult to Rafa, his family and those who love and respect the man.If he's on the Wirral, he's got every right to be there. .it's HIS home.If there fans who're crying for him to return, they're entitled to that view.

You might not be a fan of the man, but your using him/ his presence in Liverpool to justify Hodgson's shortcomings and potential failings really is stooping to a low.

Face up to the fact that Hodgson is incredibly inept and out of his depths, and just leave Rafa Benitez alone.
Christ, the man is here to be with his family, at HIS home, and enjoy the festive holidays.Is that criminal?

Really can't believe you actually said that.
This is not me going on some "rant", "tirade".Although I'm not for Rafa returning as coach, as I believe we need to keep the past in the past and move on, I genuinely am insulted by your comments, mate.
There's nowt wrong with holding a certain viewpoint, but there's boundaries, mate.

Season's Greetings to you and your fellow collegues and all the folks on here.

Silver Song

{Editor's Note: You seem to be reading rather a lot in to what is a simple and true statement. I am not implying any of the things you have whipped yourself in to a frenzy about.}

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23 Dec 2010 13:14:14
Liverpool Rumours
Everything about rafa ways forwards are nesv's he wanted the club to bring in for future from the bottom up he spent the last year working with the youth, befor then he had no say. I'd like to see rafa under new owners. Look at players be bought wen he had clowns backing. He signing went to h*ck once they was friction between them. As they didn't want him and fans turned on them for it he was set to fail with the signings he was able and unable to make.

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23 Dec 2010 13:08:40
Liverpool Rumours
RAFA FAILS AGAIN AND STILL MAKES MORE THAN £12M IN PAYOFFS

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23 Dec 2010 12:58:24
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I want rafa back. I would like to see a army of reds fans outside anfield today demanding roy's head. Rafa would never expect fans to expect u's to sit back and not think about CL football for a few years he would demand players got out there and fight for club. Under new owners and new politics at anfield he will bring the success he was desperate to give the city he loves so much. These owners could give him the talent for him to tinker week in week out as he feels is needed for whole season in prem.

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23 Dec 2010 12:49:24
On the subject of Meireles, he's had an ok start to his Liverpool career. Very good in some games, not so good in others. He's always there to receive the ball & keep possesion but as yet he hasn't really grabbed a game by the throat & supplied killer passes to create goals, he hasn't scored either which would be required if he is playing as the attacking midfielder. It will also be very interesting to see where he plays when Gerrard is back! Obviously Roy won't play both in the middle especially away from home if Roy goes for his 4-4-2 formation. But I have a good feeling about Meireles for the future & if could get a bit of pace on the flanks then I think the team would be set up for him.

The Irish Rover

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23 Dec 2010 12:44:13
Liverpool Rumours
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23 Dec 2010 12:38:39
Liverpool Rumours
GK; RIENA
RB; M.RICHARDS
LB; TAIWO
CB; D.AGGER
CB; J.CARRA/ D.WILSON
RM; M.KELLY
LM; ELIA
CM; GERRARD
CM; MERLIES
RF; TORRES
LF; HONDA

Why move kelly up to right mid?

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23 Dec 2010 12:34:07
The fact that rafa has been sacked should be irrelevant to Liverpool Football club and its fans.

He ain't coming back, we don't want him back, thanks but no thanks, get over it. He had his chance with us, he gave it a good go, but just fell short. He is not a bad manager, we just don't need him anymore in our current situation.
He needs us more than we need him. Roy will go sonner rather than later, we have to trust NESV with the next appointment. I am sure it will not be Rafa.

RED FIRST & LAST

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23 Dec 2010 12:10:47
Liverpool Rumours
Benitez has been Sacked! ! All over sky sports news

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23 Dec 2010 12:09:47
Liverpool Rumours
Rafa is free

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23 Dec 2010 12:09:10
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Honda, hulk and insua returning is all we need in jan to transform our season, imagine;
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Insua
Meireles Lucas Gerrard
Hulk Torres Honda
That front 3 would bang in the goals!
YNWA

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23 Dec 2010 12:04:27
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Could be wrong but from what I understand we payed £4m for him up front when we signed him. Juventus have agreed to an option to buy at a fee of around £12m which would cover the remainder of what we owe Roma which is the reason Woy let him go. If he would have stayed we probably would have made more of a loss on him. This way we recoup £12m and lose out on just the £4m. . he is playing well in Italy and he will be snapped up at the end of the year.


Kopper
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Saw Aquilani against Chievo last week, looked poor: kept giving the ball away, his passes were either too weak or too long. Deployed as play making central midfielder, he looked fit, full of energy and very enthusiastic, but just didn't look solid enough for the Prem. He says he's enjoying his football there, unfortunately if we let him go it'll be at a major loss since we probably won't get more than 8 or 9 million for him.

{Editor's Note: Liverpool are contracted to pay 20m euro for Aquilani as a minimum. This has been paid in installments with only one remaining (5m euro) to be paid at the end of this season. Add on the cost of wages whilst he sat as an injured player in the stands, insurance costs, medical costs and the eventual loss and you will see that Rafa's deal was not a good one.}

No doubting it was a poor deal Ed but better to make some money back than lose even more! Disappointing as you can see the lad has lots of talent but we never saw it :( Anyhow if we get the fee of around 13.6m Euros as you mentioned its better than a kick in the teeth. . will give us a bit more money come summer transfer

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23 Dec 2010 11:45:24
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We need a striker badly and if adebayor was available i would take him, also hope we get honda

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23 Dec 2010 11:37:18
{Editor's Note: I don't remember the details of what happened to Spurs when Klinsmann returned - you would need the Spurs Ed to comment on that and I have not heard from him or her for a while.

sorry ed, he actually did keep spurs out of the relegation battle! i remember him scoring 4 at wimbledon

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23 Dec 2010 11:33:14
Morning all on the miereles thing he was also one of the best players for Portugal in the world cup. He's not afraid to shoot and you don't cringe when he shoots outside the box because you do think he has a good chance of scoring. I read somewhere that barca where after him, but masch was there no1 target if they didn't get him nxt up was miereles. I think that's how we ended up with him.

LAVERS

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23 Dec 2010 11:24:33
23 Dec 2010 10:31:51
Regarding the issue of Rafa returning, I'm really struggling to think of an example of where a player or manager has returned to the scene of his past glories with anything like success. I can think of several examples where it's gone wrong (Keegan imploding at Newcastle, we all remember the Souness debacle, Klinsmann at Spurs and my own particular favourite, Howard "Bluenose Rednose" Kendall almost taking the Bitters down in the late 90's).

ed have i read this wrong? cause when klinsmann returned to spurs he and nicola berti dragged them out of a relegation battle but it was mainly all down to klinsmann

{Editor's Note: I don't remember the details of what happened to Spurs when Klinsmann returned - you would need the Spurs Ed to comment on that and I have not heard from him or her for a while.}

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23 Dec 2010 11:18:12
How to motivate a gifted footballer low on confidence by Roy Hodgson:
Step 1 - Tell the media he is "not a confident lad" (just what you want to hear if you're not full of confidence)
Step 2 - Tell the media it's unlikely he'll get a run in his best position (just wht you want to hear having rarely been played in your preferred position)
And finally Step 3 - Tell the media you didn't sign him and probably wouldn't have done if you had been in the job longer (just what you want to hear when you've had a nightmare start in your new club)

I'm sure Joe will really be earning his 90K+ per week now. Cant help but think Joe is very much an "arm round the shoulder" type of character. Personally I've never really bought into the hype around him, but he is a Liverpool player on a very large contract, so surely it's worth trying to build him up a bit? Thanks Roy

JF

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23 Dec 2010 11:14:45
If Rafa did come back (can't see it personally) how long would it be before he wants his own way? Cannot see him agreeing to letting someone else buy his players for him! Too stubborn. So on that note lets end this Rafa come back debate and look forward to what January brings.

Merry Christmas and a happy 2011.

Lee73

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23 Dec 2010 10:47:01
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Honda has signed! Remember who broke news that we would do this some time back? Yes it was me. First. Before anyone else on here. My tips are normally right due to my connections at the club.
Hulk next. He has a Liverpool tattoo already on his back and is going to reject City in favour of us.
Trust me, you know I am normally correct.
BigColwilko

honda has signed, , how do u know i don't see it no where on the internet

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thats a stupid question, i do believe him as i think he has sources, he will probably not be able to tell us them and case you haven't been looking on this brilliant sight recently then you would of noticed that most stuff on the internet is just from the journalist who know nothing its called 'lazy journilsm' they just guess. the word 'rumours' come to mind.

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23 Dec 2010 10:36:38
Its interesting reading all the different opinions on Rafa here. I know we don't all agree and are blind to certain FACTS sometimes, but I must admit that I logged in yesterday thinking that I wouldn't take Rafa back in a million years. Today, Im not so sure having read a mixture of opinions.

Assuming he has actually been sacked. . .

1) Is there a better manager out there with a better track record that is available

2) If the lines were drawn for Benitez as a condition of taking the job back (ie, Commolli gets players and Rafa has no input into club politics) would we see a different Rafa just concentrating on performance on the pitch?

3) Clean slate and the Kenny Dalglish link. I think Rafa's performances towards the end were down to many many factors within the club and the press at the time. Remember when Kenny left in 1991. He was buying players like Jimmy Carter and David Speedie before he left, and we were on the slide. He said long afterwards that he would have gone back for the following season as a new man, had we not rushed to appoint Souness. Could we see a new Rafa in the same circumstances?

4) Pako Ayesteran has been linked on here today. Do you think there is any chance that Rafa has recognised that it all started going downhill after Pako left. Perhaps they could have burried the hatchet? As Rafa's Biographer, Guillem Balaque would be ideally placed to broker a truce (if the post is to be believed that they were eating together)?!

5) The one area I cannot turn back in Rafa's favour is his transfer record. Based on MUSHROOMS transfer summary yesterday, I worked out that Rafa's success rate on transfers was only 35%. However, now that Comolli is there we could have the answer to that question?

6) Finally, the grass is not always greener. For the sake of his family life, Rafa may well have realised he needs to turn down his stubborness and be preparred to work with someone like Comolli to get his settled Liverpool family life back. Dont forget, as a Father he has a responsibility to his family as well.


I know he has his faults, and I do believe there could be better candidates out there long term. However, I even think Stevie G and Nando will have looked at the last 6 months and now realise that the grass isn't always greener as well!

STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED

To finish on all the previous posts about Hodgson vs Rafa, remember this is not a straight choice between the two. Its a choice of Hodgson or New Manager, then after that its about Benitez vs Anyone Else.

RG

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23 Dec 2010 10:31:51
Regarding the issue of Rafa returning, I'm really struggling to think of an example of where a player or manager has returned to the scene of his past glories with anything like success. I can think of several examples where it's gone wrong (Keegan imploding at Newcastle, we all remember the Souness debacle, Klinsmann at Spurs and my own particular favourite, Howard "Bluenose Rednose" Kendall almost taking the Bitters down in the late 90's).

A case could be made for Rushie but he was nowhere near as prolific on his return from Serie A as he was before he left (1989 Cup Final excluded, thanks Ian). This could be down to the fact that the Liverpool teams he played in during his second term were by and large far inferior to the teams of the early and mid 80's though.

I'm sure I've missed out an obvious exception but no matter what you thought of Rafa first time round (I'll always thank him for some stellar European nights and the 4-1 at Old Toilet whilst feel let down by his odd approach to the Premier League) it's time to look forwards, not backwards. This includes the King

Merry Christmas fellow Reds and let's hope for a far better 2011

Red til Dead 75

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23 Dec 2010 10:27:45
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Not that i think Rafa will come back but IF he did i worry for Ngog. I know Rafa signed him but since Rafa leaving the lad has come on tremendously. Is it a progression he would have made under Rafa? Who knows. Not that i neccessarily think its Roy who has developed him, more a case of a huge negative pressure taken away from him (Rafa).
Love Rafa and his commitment to the club and city but i have never been confident in him 'putting and arm' around players.
What do ya reckon Ed?

Fraz

{Editor's NOte: I don't expect him to come back - his very being here right now is incredibly disruptive for everyone at the club.}

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23 Dec 2010 10:19:02
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Has anyone noticed that we are not linked with any big signings in any of the press but all the other big clubs are? I think this tells a story that we are now on par with randy Lerner at Aston villa and can only expect third rate rubbish coming into our club. Oh and by the way I'm not being naive thinking anfield is in shutdown and not letting any rumours out, just realistic. It is the football reporters jobs to sniff out who's going where and I think the silence at our club is deafening.

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After the world cup Miereles was heavily related with Manchester United. and he was available for £11 mil because porto wanted to sell before his contract ran out and would be forced to let him go for free.

miccmak

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23 Dec 2010 10:18:40
Please get a grip, it is common knowledge that Rafa went for Vidic, and Parry stalled, this was a reason why Rafa couldnt work with Parry as he dithered about.

As for Christiano Ronaldo, he went to Man Utd when Rafa was still at Valencia? so please explain how he could want him at Liverpool?
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Yep 2003 Ronaldo went to united but we still missed out on him. Appologies for that one.

MUSHROOM

GH wanted ronaldo though and again parry stalled

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23 Dec 2010 10:18:23
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Absolutely disgraceful comments by diouf about carragher. the guy isn't worthy enough to clean carraghers boots. hes a dirty scumbag who doesn't deserve to play the game and he has a cheek to call carragher 'nothing'? carraghers honours: champions league winners medal, 2 fa cup winners medals, 2 league cup winners medals, uefa cup winners medal, 2 uefa super cup winners medals, 2 community shield winners medals. not to mention premier league runners up medal, champions league runners up medal, league cup and community shield runners up medals. in pfa team of the season and liverpools best player 2006. diouf? finalist in asian cup. had an ok world cup, is about as good as it gets. unless you count being the filthiest chapin football as an achievement. and carragher is 'nothing'?

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23 Dec 2010 10:08:47
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Firstly Merry Xmas to all my fellow Reds.
I'm sure Ed will support me on this one. . .those who think that Meireles is not a good player havent been watching football long enough! I watched him before he signed for Liverpool (Club and Country) and he was quality. Since signing he has impressed me when played in his best position. On the right he has done ok. Not all players can play to the highest standard like Stevie. Also we won't see the best from him until the other 10 players start playing better.
I'm a frustrated as the rest but we need to be patient. This is NESV's first transfer window. A couple of first team signings will be made (i won't carry on with the rumours!) to secure top 4 (i hope) and then a re-evaluation of the squad in the summer.

Fraz

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23 Dec 2010 10:06:19
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Yesterday i had a long but friendly "argument" with one of the eds, regarding rafa, spending, etc. Ed, I don't think we will ever agree, so I think we should agree to disagree. I'd like to make 3 final points about why it makes sense to get rafa back:

1. To keep pepe and torres, we need to finish fourth this year. Even if we get boas villas tomorrow, he will still take some time to adjust to the premier league where as rafa already knows the teams and knows fergies dirty tricks etc.

2. He bought the players and can make the best use out of them. For eg. with roy in charge he will probably try to sell Agger because he doesn't know how to use him best.

3. Yes, rafa's man management skills have been questioned. But for e.g. in my opinion Peter Crouch played his best football for liverpool eg. bicycle kick against bolton and hatrick against arsenal. Rafa brings the best out of (some) players and i think if he comes back we will see the torres of old.

Thanks ed if you post this, no more rafa rants from me after this

{Editor's Note: Fine, no problems. A comment on point two. The one thing we can be sure of is that Roy Hodgson will not be making teh transfer decisions on his own. Comolli has been bought in (although I am by no means a fan) and they will need to agree between themselves and then put a case to the board - probably Tom W - to justify funds being made available. This should help minimise the risk of players being bought in on a whim or players being bought in who are simply not good enough.}

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23 Dec 2010 10:01:13
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Good morn pool fans. ed morn to u mate, i think there will be a lot going on in jan i really do fact, right ed hear goes some of are fans moaning there will not be top class signings yer i think there will be? well just think we were deep in the s*i* yer then little gaffa come in, then we were took over great news, save an sound some fans over the moon like me an lots more, some fans still moaning.right at this moment i see it like this little gaffa is safe owners are happy they have just got there foot in the door.right its going back to the old school liverpool way no news on signing till its done no news on whot we have to spend cos that way clubs don't push up the price of players. an i for one love it.but there will be players coming an going i have a gutt feeling we will be in the headlines loads mark my words this is the start of the new lfc for sure walk on walk on walk on signings on the way ohohoho. . jay essex red 4 life

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23 Dec 2010 09:57:12
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Anyone thinking were going to spend in jan is mistaken. .if you read between the lines of all the interviews with Woy, Henry etc I think they will wait till the summer at least. Doesn't make financial sense to them

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23 Dec 2010 09:54:42
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23 Dec 2010 00:54:28
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Has anyone noticed that we are not linked with any big signings in any of the press but all the other big clubs are? I think this tells a story that we are now on par with randy Lerner at Aston villa and can only expect third rate rubbish coming into our club. Oh and by the way I'm not being naive thinking anfield is in shutdown and not letting any rumours out, just realistic. It is the football reporters jobs to sniff out who's going where and I think the silence at our club is deafening.

Ferryhill Red. {ed's note - like when they all told us that Meireles was joining?}
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Do you class meireles as a good signing then? If you do your easily pleased. Look at our points and league position since we signed him for gods sake. {ed's note - he is one player, perhaps you think our league position means that Pepe Reina, Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are rubbish as well? After all they are all in the same team.

surely we signed meireles when we were on a budget and nesv had not taken over, so you can't really compare to who we are talking to now! on value sake!

I'm sorry i totally agree with Ed here Meireles is class, if you saw him at the world cup, you'd agree. He was Portugal's best player!

In terms of signings, it is all quiet for a reason, nobody knows, be patient. Believe it or not we have 5 top class players (not necessarily all World class) = Reina, Carra (still), Gerrard, Meirleles and Torres. 1 or 2 more and we will have the same amount as all the top teams. No one else has 11 top class players.

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23 Dec 2010 09:46:16
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I think we should go for David luiz of benfica, quality centre back, had messi in his pocket in the recent brazil V Argentina friendly, the 20m+ fee could prove to be a stumbling block though! P.S anyone else think Roy hodgson is Larry Burns from the simpsons in human form?


Marky Mark

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23 Dec 2010 09:42:54
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I agree with Diouf to some parts about Carra but a it stands Carra should be no more than a sub player 4Lfc. Too slow, too many own goals commits to too many penalties in our own box and hardly ever scores at the right end like a proper centre half should,
KS

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23 Dec 2010 09:42:27
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Just read an article in the daily mail apparently wolfsburg have set a price of £38 million for dzeco and man city will turn to torres if they can't agree a deal with wolfsburg because they don't value him at that price so in other words city think they can get torres for less than the dzeko price dream on, just another point if hodgson continures to pursue the likes of carlton cole, bentley, SWP, dunne and others then i suggest he should do the decent thing and walk away now before he drags this once great club down to the level of your fulhams, stokes, wigans etc and no NEVER bring back RAFA nearly £300 blown in his time he had his chance jog on back to spain and get somebody in who's young and fresh why not go for pep guardiola or joachim loew NESV want us back at the top so start bloody proving it and start making some big and bold decisions about our beloved club.

Paul

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23 Dec 2010 09:41:20
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Does anyone know what type of player Honda actually is? Is he a central midfielder/ striker or is he a wide man. My fear if we sign him is that he is yet another player who, to get the best out of him, we need to play centrally not wide left/ right. This club is littered with players who if we played centrally could do a good job. The likes of Cole, Jovanavic, Kuyt, Babel etc are players who play better in the centre either in midfield or up front.
I would go so far as saying we've become obsessed by central midfielders who have been wasted by being played out of position. Is the same going to happen to Honda if we buy him?

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23 Dec 2010 09:36:08
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Has anyone noticed that we are not linked with any big signings in any of the press but all the other big clubs are? I think this tells a story that we are now on par with randy Lerner at Aston villa and can only expect third rate rubbish coming into our club. Oh and by the way I'm not being naive thinking anfield is in shutdown and not letting any rumours out, just realistic. It is the football reporters jobs to sniff out who's going where and I think the silence at our club is deafening.

Ferryhill Red. {ed's note - like when they all told us that Meireles was joining?}
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Do you class meireles as a good signing then? If you do your easily pleased. Look at our points and league position since we signed him for gods sake. {ed's note - he is one player, perhaps you think our league position means that Pepe Reina, Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are rubbish as well? After all they are all in the same team.

surely we signed meireles when we were on a budget and nesv had not taken over, so you can't really compare to who we are talking to now! on value sake!
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Sorry but how much rubbish can one person but in a paragraph! If this person knew anything about papers, journalist make things up from front to back, including sports (sells more papers, with rumours). We have hardly been linked with anyone, as the Ed is right it is all hush, hush. Once upon a time, players at the club had some insight to who we were buying. This is no longer the case. Have patience, time will only tell.

James Mc

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23 Dec 2010 09:32:00
Meireles is a quality. Twice the player Masch was.

Ed is it right the scouts got him, rather than Roy's wonky eye?

Hopefully the scouts are watching some foreign talent now and all these links to the premiership's 2nd to 3rd rate players is idle journalism. Someone read that when Piers Morgan was the editor of the mirror the sportsdesk made up so many rumours about Arsenal in order to impress him.

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23 Dec 2010 09:24:39
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23 Dec 2010 00:54:28
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Has anyone noticed that we are not linked with any big signings in any of the press but all the other big clubs are? I think this tells a story that we are now on par with randy Lerner at Aston villa and can only expect third rate rubbish coming into our club. Oh and by the way I'm not being naive thinking anfield is in shutdown and not letting any rumours out, just realistic. It is the football reporters jobs to sniff out who's going where and I think the silence at our club is deafening.

Ferryhill Red. {ed's note - like when they all told us that Meireles was joining?}
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Do you class meireles as a good signing then? If you do your easily pleased. Look at our points and league position since we signed him for gods sake. {ed's note - he is one player, perhaps you think our league position means that Pepe Reina, Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are rubbish as well? After all they are all in the same team.

surely we signed meireles when we were on a budget and nesv had not taken over, so you can't really compare to who we are talking to now! on value sake!

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Have you actually seen Meireles play? Whe he's in central midfield he's a quality passer who's very forward thinking and as for his transfer (11Mill ish) that's not cheap and I seem to remember Alonso coming in from £10.5ish Mill and look at the player he turned out to be. Just bcos he didn't play for Madrid/ barca and cost £30mill doesn't mean he's a good player

RedDan

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23 Dec 2010 09:23:56
Plenty of money and he didn't do to badly with the transfers, , hence 2nd place and only 4 points from the title, , then the owners ruined us with the debt so we had to sell star players to pay for replacements and more players to add to the squad only he couldnt afford better players to replace the ones we sold, , if we hadnt of had that debt he wouldn't of sold arbeloa, he wouldn't of sold alonso, and he coulda afforded to add strength to the squad, but he wasnt able to cos the owners, the bottom line is the owners ruined LFC not rafa, , and as for now, , why stick with a worst manager than rafa when rafa is better than roy, , when there is no one else available at this moment in time id rather have rafa than roy hes much better
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Ok Rafa has proved he was a better manager, 2nd place and only 4pts from the title, but he lost the title, no one remembers who came second.As for selling Alonso, Alonso asked to leave because of the way Rafa dealt with him (the Barry joke).And the club in debt, Manure managed to win titles who have a far bigger debt.
Redeyedhector

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23 Dec 2010 09:19:34
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Great news to see we are being linked with the boy from Southampton Oxlade-Chamberlain. Ive seen this lad play and he has all the potential to be a very very good player as quick as Walcott but already stronger than him. This is evidence of the NESV strategy of signing youth. If we get this boy then we are looking good for the future.RED77

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23 Dec 2010 09:14:57
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Sometimes i despair at the level of football knowledge of our so called fellow LFC fans.Meireles is a class player. To say that he has come into an average side and to adjust to the EPL as quickly as he has is a sign of a very good player. Never hear of him moaning or complaining he just gets on with it. A quality signing and a potential LFC hero. RED77

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23 Dec 2010 09:11:34
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We are not going to be spending 35, 30 or even 25
stop it just aint going to happen, sorry

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23 Dec 2010 09:09:49
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If City sign Dzeko I'll cry. They don't need anymore strikers we do!

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23 Dec 2010 08:51:40
Please get a grip, it is common knowledge that Rafa went for Vidic, and Parry stalled, this was a reason why Rafa couldnt work with Parry as he dithered about.

As for Christiano Ronaldo, he went to Man Utd when Rafa was still at Valencia? so please explain how he could want him at Liverpool?
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Yep 2003 Ronaldo went to united but we still missed out on him. Appologies for that one.

MUSHROOM

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23 Dec 2010 08:44:37
I don't need to belittle the teams they r already little teams, , , there basically crap, , , and we actually lost arbeloa who was doing great for us we lost hyppia and alonso who was one of the best passers in the world, , also rafa was arguing with the board cos he knew they werent doing whats right for liverpool the players also knew this, the owners caused trouble rafa was fighting for liverpool not for himself,
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one mate.
By the way, if a league is crap as you say, then it will still be difficult to win silverware as you will not be able to attract top players to that club. Everything is relative.

MUSHROOM

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23 Dec 2010 08:23:37
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23 Dec 2010 00:41:26
Liverpool Rumours
And Carra has an everton one that's why he wears long sleeves. He doesn't have a Liverpool tattoo! !

Jamie Carragher has often wore short sleeves, and if you read his Autobiography then you will realise its all a myth made up by the bitters across stanley park.

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I might not have made myself clear here, I was being sarcastic about Carra I know that he hasn't got the tattoo the all everton fans claim that he has! I was basically saying that bigwilko is talking s* te when he says that hulk
has a Liverpool one on his back and using the Carra thing
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23 Dec 2010 04:05:07
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Just want to confirm about Pako I was talking to him in the carriage works asked him if he would come back , his words was "you never know " he said his kids are at school and he loves Liverpool oh and by the way the reporter was Guillem Balague , two very nice gentlemen , merry Christmas God bless ya loads

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23 Dec 2010 01:01:37
23 Dec 2010 00:37:42
And would you have believed me if i would have told you at the end of 2008/ 9 season that Roy Hodgson would be our new manager next year?

i agree with u only it was 2009/ 10 season that we wouldn't of believed roy was gunna be are next manager the year after lol but i agree

I didn't say he would be our next manger, i said would be our new manager next year, if you read it properly what i am trying to say was that after the season we finished 2nd in 2009, if i was to say to you that next year being 2010, Roy Hodgson would be our new manager?

lol i agreed with everything u said, i was just correcting u well depending on how u look at it, , cos if u was to say it at the begining of the 2008/ 09 season then u woulda meant in 2009 but if u meant it at the end of the 2008/ 09 season then ok then u mean 2010, , i was taking it as if u was saying it at the begining, , hence why i said don't u mean 2009/ 10 season cos i was saying if u was to say roy hodgson was gunna be r next manager next year id know u was on about 2010 lol cos the season would start in 2009 lol weird convo just thought id make clear what i thought u was saying lol

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23 Dec 2010 00:57:02
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I am not claiming to have sources or to be claming this rumour to be true at all. Basically my friend works in The London Carriage works restaurant on Hope street as a trainee cheff. Loads and loads of celebs go in including John Henry, Tom Werner, Hodgeson, every start who comes over here basically has been in. He just told me tonight that Pako Ayestarán was in with a reporter. Not claiming any rumours here at all or saying hes signing, just could be someting especially with Rafa returning for the christmas holiday! as i said, Not claming to be true so no one copy and paste this and tell me how i am wrong or how i am chatting rubbish.
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Of course you're not chatting rubbish mate. Your trainee chef mate is the one chatting rubbish.

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23 Dec 2010 00:56:20
Liverpool Rumours
Honda has signed! Remember who broke news that we would do this some time back? Yes it was me. First. Before anyone else on here. My tips are normally right due to my connections at the club.
Hulk next. He has a Liverpool tattoo already on his back and is going to reject City in favour of us.
Trust me, you know I am normally correct.
BigColwilko

honda has signed, , how do u know i don't see it no where on the internet

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Don't believe him. Just search for his name (BigColwilko) and you will see that all he has claimed so far was rubbish.

I do not understand why the post is even released when all this poster has written are lies. .

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23 Dec 2010 00:37:42
And would you have believed me if i would have told you at the end of 2008/ 9 season that Roy Hodgson would be our new manager next year?

i agree with u only it was 2009/ 10 season that we wouldn't of believed roy was gunna be are next manager the year after lol but i agree

I didn't say he would be our next manger, i said would be our new manager next year, if you read it properly what i am trying to say was that after the season we finished 2nd in 2009, if i was to say to you that next year being 2010, Roy Hodgson would be our new manager?

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23 Dec 2010 00:34:54
23 Dec 2010 00:29:05
I've got a feeling that raffa could not come back and fit into the owners plans, because of the comolli set up! but saying that (stanger) things have happened of late at anfield, and i for one do not know how i would feel about it? what about you?

knew i should have gone to school, its supposed to be stranger!

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23 Dec 2010 00:32:53
23 Dec 2010 00:14:09
Who would have thought that Robbie Fowler would have got a 2nd spell at Liverpool?

Who would have said that John Terry would have missed the last spot kick in the European Cup Final against Man Utd?

Who would have bet against Liverpool coming back from 3 nil down against AC Milan in 2005?

Who would have believed that Liverpool would go this length of time without a championship trophy, back in 1990?

And would you have believed me if i would have told you at the end of 2008/ 9 season that Roy Hodgson would be our new manager next year?

Nope, so stranger thing have happened, so who knows Rafa may well come back, and i for one will be made up

i agree with u only it was 2009/ 10 season that we wouldn't of believed roy was gunna be are next manager the year after lol but i agree

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23 Dec 2010 00:29:05
I've got a feeling that raffa could not come back and fit into the owners plans, because of the comolli set up! but saying that stanger things have happened of late at anfield, and i for one do not know how i would feel about it? what about you?

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23 Dec 2010 00:26:19
ED- from the 21.33 conversation.

We agree on Rafa not coming back.
Vidic £7m
Ronaldo £12.2
Johnson £7m

Just 3 off the top of my head that we did not go for as Rafa didn't want them

Please get a grip, it is common knowledge that Rafa went for Vidic, and Parry stalled, this was a reason why Rafa couldnt work with Parry as he dithered about.

As for Christiano Ronaldo, he went to Man Utd when Rafa was still at Valencia? so please explain how he could want him at Liverpool?

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23 Dec 2010 00:24:48
Meireles has shined in the absence of Gerrard. he is finally playing well i thin k he is Roys best signing. I think he tackles harder is a lot more dedicated than mascherano and when he shoots i do not think, what city will that ball end up in. He has been cracking volleys on the 18 that are taking unlucky deflections or being blocked slashed saved. I thin you guys just want to moan all the time. there are 11 people on the pitch. I think we have been piss poor over all and no one player is to blame. we need a spark to ignite this offense. I think ngog has been our best player, he is running working hard and is just so close to being a great striker he is showing more glimpses every game, and atleast I feel like he is trying.
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This is a joke post right?
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I'm not the person who posted that. But I strongly suggest that if you do not agree with what he said above you watch Liverpool matches instead of MOTD highlights.

Meireles has been good so far this season, and has proven to be a good signing. Pity he doesn't have a more positive minded manager in charge or he'd be even better. As for N'Gog, improved a lot. Works hard and has played well at times.

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23 Dec 2010 00:14:09
Who would have thought that Robbie Fowler would have got a 2nd spell at Liverpool?

Who would have said that John Terry would have missed the last spot kick in the European Cup Final against Man Utd?

Who would have bet against Liverpool coming back from 3 nil down against AC Milan in 2005?

Who would have believed that Liverpool would go this length of time without a championship trophy, back in 1990?

And would you have believed me if i would have told you at the end of 2008/ 9 season that Roy Hodgson would be our new manager next year?

Nope, so stranger thing have happened, so who knows Rafa may well come back, and i for one will be made up.

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23 Dec 2010 00:09:58
Meireles has shined in the absence of Gerrard. he is finally playing well i thin k he is Roys best signing. I think he tackles harder is a lot more dedicated than mascherano and when he shoots i do not think, what city will that ball end up in. He has been cracking volleys on the 18 that are taking unlucky deflections or being blocked slashed saved. I thin you guys just want to moan all the time. there are 11 people on the pitch. I think we have been piss poor over all and no one player is to blame. we need a spark to ignite this offense. I think ngog has been our best player, he is running working hard and is just so close to being a great striker he is showing more glimpses every game, and atleast I feel like he is trying.
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This is a joke post right?

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23 Dec 2010 00:02:48
22 Dec 2010 23:47:01
Please read some older post from today you will find Rafa had plenty of money from are previous owners to spend on players.so if Rafa was the manager under nesv he would of done better?
Redeyedhector

plenty of money and he didn't do to badly with the transfers, , hence 2nd place and only 4 points from the title, , then the owners ruined us with the debt so we had to sell star players to pay for replacements and more players to add to the squad only he couldnt afford better players to replace the ones we sold, , if we hadnt of had that debt he wouldn't of sold arbeloa, he wouldn't of sold alonso, and he coulda afforded to add strength to the squad, but he wasnt able to cos the owners, the bottom line is the owners ruined LFC not rafa, , and as for now, , why stick with a worst manager than rafa when rafa is better than roy, , when there is no one else available at this moment in time id rather have rafa than roy hes much better

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