Liverpool Banter Archive January 23 2013
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23 Jan 2013 23:38:46
So it looks like Southampton have had a bid accepted, tell you what our club is being run by total persons, what the hell are they playing at? 10.2 million is hardly going to cripple us and while they're haggling over the price were getting done by Southampton, no disrespect to them but for gods sake we are WAY bigger than them and they're offering more than us?? I know we're trying to save money but were not skint and its starting to get embarrassing that teams keep getting the players we go after, if this continues we're going to be left behind, we have got to start getting our transfer targets in, we're Liverpool for gods sake.
If coutinho wants to sign for us he will, doesn't matter what southampton bid. If he signs for them then he's not the type of player we need, simple. Siggurdson was more interested in money than playing for us so we didn't go for him. The next couple of days will tell us what type of ambition coutinho has, YNWA Simonpw
YNWA Simonpw
If Coutinho signs for Southampton, it's not his fault. Liverpool need to make an acceptable bid to Inter, if we do, THEN and ONLY THEN will Coutinho have the choice of Liverpool or Southampton.
If we Inter don't think our offer is good enough then Coutinho can either stay at Inter or go to Southampton, and since Inter need to raise funds for Belhanda, then it seems he'll go to Soton. Not his fault.
So Ian Ayre needs to pull his finger out and stop farting around. £10-11m is a really reasonable price for a 20 year old with great potential, where he'll thrive in a team with the likes of Gerrard, Suarez et all.
And considering what we paid for Henderson (22), Carroll (24) and others as young potential, then this is a good deal!
SR (AKA StrabaneRed) {Ed002's Note - If Coutinho signs for Southampton it will have been his choice.}
Dude 10mil is a lot of money...u are just saying this becuase you are not paying it from your own money..So yeah if some1 has to pay 10 mil the person will think 100times is it worth or not...
Siggurdson is getting more money sitting on the bench for Spurs than he would sitting on the bench for Liverpool.
If Siggurdson was supremely confident in his own ability he would have signed for Rodgers/Liverpool for less money, showed us all what he can do and earnt himself an improved contract.
Just like a certain Mr Suarez did.
Thing is if your not that good like Siggurdson? Might as well go where the money is.
kidmillions
Hi SR thanks for your reply. At the end of the day, it is a choice for coutinho. No 1 can force him to sign for anyone, YNWA Simonpw
No problem YNWA Simonpw.
I was simply making a point, that Liverpool need to give Coutinho the opportunity to choose between us and Soton...If Ayre is farting about over £2m for a young player of Coutinhos quality...he'll only have Southampton to choose (Or stay at Inter; unlikely).
But if we make an acceptable offer to Inter and Coutinho chooses Soton, then best of luck to him, I agree!!
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
And that is a true point you made about no-one forcing him anywhere, and I suppose he does have a choice if he expresses to Inter he'd rather play for us than Southampton.
Inter would need to accept our bid of £8m if they want to raise the funds to buy whomever they are targeting.
So point taken.
SR (AKA StrabaneRed)
Thanks SR,
That maybe what liverpool are hoping. I guess only the parties involved really know what coutinho's preference is. As they say time will tell. P.s nice to get a decent debate about something on here lol, YNWA Simonpw
23 Jan 2013 23:35:21
One of my good friends is from Lisbon and supports Sporting, he says that Jeffren is very average....I'd rather sign nobody over him tbh
How many clubs has your friend managed under a tiki-taka system?
Trust in Rodgers a little bit more.
Liverpres
This nobody guy is highly coveted. Can one of the Eds back this up? {Ed002's Note - He certainly was at Barcelona but has lost his way a little.}
23 Jan 2013 23:24:15
eds and red do you think we will see a pattern in rodgers signing, that he will bring in young tallent that much was expected of but their career has stalled a bit, like sturridge, countinho, jeffron.
plus the improvements that henderson and downing have made under his guidance. he is definitely a good man manager and motivator.
KUMBER
23 Jan 2013 23:15:39
{Ed002's Note - Are you an itinerant chimney sweep.
having had nought to post for some months I still vsist every day, You just can't beat yer used of the english language for geting a point over. Hopefully people take it in the manner it is meant. Having used the "retromingent Gliffnard" term with great success, I can envisage the "itinerant chimney sweep" being used fom this weekend onwards. Cheers Ed002,
as usual great site and banter and keep the phrases coming
Jim22
I like the term 'apple-polisher' for posters such as Jim22 :)
cozinoz
23 Jan 2013 23:08:31
Why doesn't Coates get much playing time???
Ask Martin Skrtel
Rodgers doesn't rate him. And neither do I, for what little it's worth.
Rigsby.
23 Jan 2013 23:04:41
If this coutinho deal falls through then rather than jeffren I would rather prefer diego perotti from sevilla what's everyone think?
Will you personally put up the money for him or is this just a Fantasy Manager preference?
I would prefer no one to jeffren he won't be match fit will end up just sitting on the bench being a squad player for the rest of the season taking wages when assaidi is back from acon he will be there for cover
23 Jan 2013 22:58:32
The telegraph reporting that Brendan Rodgers has launched a final bid of £8M and also stating that:
"Coutinho is not interested in a move to St Mary's and Liverpool hope to agree a deal before the weekend."
Whilst the less reliable Daily Fail state Southampton have had a bid of £10.2M accepted, however there is no mention of how the player personally feels about the deal.
I think we'll sign Coutinho, he doesn't want to join Soton despite Pochettino's appointment and Inter and cash-strapped, so I believe they may be forced to accept a lower bid.
AsianRed
I have no problemif that's it 8 million finalbid
thats what the club thinks he is worth fair enough
if its not enough then get on toour other targets before the window closes
anything on omar abdulrahman? looked a super player during the olympics
tom1975
23 Jan 2013 22:50:59
Not only losing reina, bayern Munich and bloody pep put 40 mil for suarez surely not enough not when he is only half a year into his 5 year deal, I reckon 60 mil but even still don't see anyone of that quality for that price out there that will come :-(
60 million
25 damiao
15 mertens
10 feghouli
plus new left back
reina 15
new gk plus cd cover
either way we win with suarez
tom1975
24 Jan 2013 07:10:08
this guy is cluseless....
y does all these players want to join us...
are we the champions?..CL qualification?
Hold on to suarez whatever possible you can...
Impossible to replace him...
23 Jan 2013 22:26:05
He's not in the squad cause he's injured...
23 Jan 2013 22:26:00
So does it turn out eds that the other foward that juventus were in for was lisandro lopez?
D690 {Ed002's Note - No. It has all been dealth with before.}
Alexis sanchez and Stevan Jovetic
Lllorente and one of Sanchez, Suarez ir jovetic.
Jason
23 Jan 2013 22:20:48
Ed's I understand that deals have so many elements to lead to a sucessful ending both with players fee's agents tax sponsors club family kids and so on but i'm becoming increasingly worried about our inability to negotiate a deal once it becomes not that straightfoward. I mean Sturridge wanted to come and Chelsea didn't require him so that was pretty easy to wrap up considering we desparately needed someone but we seem to drag out transfers so long by offending teams with derisory offers trying to get on the cheap which ends up public inviting other teams better financially placed to offer the asking fee. I know we have a price in terms of ability and potential but sometimes you need to pay for quality and he's clearly quality albeit young but he would suit our style of play so why mess about. {Ed052's Note - theres no need to worry. We dong want to overpay on fees or wages, we can just move onto other targets}
Nice comment Ed52, just move onto the next target? Who's that? Option D? Thought F$G said BR can have who he wants? Did he want Sigusson, Ince, Sneijder, Coutinho, a striker in the summer, squad depth.
Ayre and F$G are totally incapable
23 Jan 2013 22:20:44
Suarez will NEVER leave LIVERPOOL e will become a LEGEND at d club! FACT
Never use the word never.
How can it be a fact when it hasn't happened yet and is unlikely to realists?
Do you have any reasoning for him to stay "forever" or is it just hope?
I would love him to stay for his golden years but it is unlikely without CL etc.
Ben Rose
23 Jan 2013 22:14:09
It seems a lot of people have a concern towards "slow" progress within transfers, fees paid and why we are supposedly being beaten to "targets."
Regarding the targets I must note that a team will have about 5-10 targets but only the intention (in our instance) of signing 1-3 of them. However with media outlets, rumour sites (such as this terrific site) and video games. Lets say Liverpool were interested in Coutinho, Sneijder, Sturridge, Jeffren, Tello, Villa, Butland, Trapp, Modric and Messi. This interested is not a transfer target but a player potentially scouted.
Say the top targets are Messi, Sneijder and Modric (Totally fictitious) but Sneijder chooses money and goes to another club. Therefore another of them comes into play, Coutinho. However despite harsh negotiations they cannot agree a fee; then the club must move onto another target. Lets say Jeffren.
If he is signed then he is successful but this is effected by external factors (Clubs, Agents, Player, Competitors, Legal factors etc) if a club can after all of these sign a player then the fans are supposed to be happy. If not they are not supposed to be distraught, move on and support the current players. I prefer to wait for signings to sign on the dotted line before imagining them in our team or getting excited.
When a club has money they are expected to pay more, being a Premiership club that wealth in the transfer market is there.
I hope you understand that Liverpool are not the only club that pay ridiculous fees. Man City paid £25m for players like Balotelli and Lescott. Chelsea paid over £20m for Ramires, Luiz and Oscar. United paid £16m for Jones, £27m for Ferdinand and £30m for Berbatov.
We paid £16m for Henderson because he is English, Young and has potential (Like the Jones transfer for United). We paid £20m for Downing, he played well and was on form for Villa, they were reluctant to sell and hence we had to pay over the odds to get them, like Lescott.
We are also not the only team who have a very long negotiation process, United have been in talks with Palace over Zaha for at least 2-3 weeks.
Another point is some transfers are quicker, Newcastle have operated very quickly over the past few days - week as they are desperate for the players. Possibly paying over the odds to get a player but to do it quicker. Under Rodgers we are much harder negotiators, Sturridge for £12m for example. We paid over the odds for Allen (Not in my opinion) because we had to activate his release clause.
(Hope it was a well written read and you can agree with some points)
Ben Rose
Very well written mate.
derryred
Think Man Utd, Chelski and Man City have all won the EPL and or Champions League with those players and that spending.
LFC fans nowadays we hope to scrape in 4th. Check sites eveyday to see if we've spent £6mil on championship players, or raise our laughable first bid on some potential talent, that no other top team is looking at, by a further £900k.
You've made a really good point, those teams and players you listed all are champions. We're not.
Very well written and I completely agree. I am pleased that the club are now trying to keep all the 'possible' signings away from the public attention. Unfortunately for the supporters this means we don't really have an idea of what is happening in terms of bringing players in. But at least we are not prepered to panic buy and bow to every clubs over exaggerated valuation of players, like we may have in the past. We need to be patient it will not happen over night.
23 Jan 2013 22:10:51
I decided to visit this site and just read what was posted and no longer post myself, but after reading some of the posts on here about Reina I felt I had to come out of retirement and make my feelings known.
Never have I come across more two faced so called Liverpool fans than on this site! You all post ( you know who you are ) slagging people off when they criticise certain players, calling them plastic, advising them to go and support another team because there support is not welcome and i'm sure you all sit there in smug self satisfaction that your Liverpools biggest fans because you defend all things L.F.C. Well here's a question, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE POSTERS WHO HAVE A GO AT ALLEN or BORINI AND YOU LOT WHO CRITICISE REINA??
Your all walking contridictions, how would you all feel if he signed for Man Utd? I will tell you how, you would bombard this site slagging Pepe for signing for them and questioning his loyalty, would relentlessly boo and rip into him at the ground at your tv/computer screens in the pub infact anywhere you saw him in a United shirt.
Do you know what, I now hope he leaves and you will then see how hard it is to find a class kepper because it took 4 or 5 ordinary/awful keepers to find a TOP one in Reina, how does the phrase go " form is temporary class is permanant. "
If he does go I will look forward to seeing the same people pointing the finger now kickin off in the future, saying we need a top class keeper if we want to reach the top 4.
Good luck Pep whatever happens and wherever you end up. And to the Reina detractors, be careful what you wish for because you might just get it, and your wish might end up winning the title down the east lancs rd.
Waro
p.s. I notice you have all gone quite on the Gerrard is finished posts, maybe you will get the irony of that with regards to Reina.
Good post Waro
Chris in Tamworth
Hi.
I was never on the anti-Gerrard bandwagon however I believe he is not the same player as he was, he is still one of our top players but not the same, which is expected.
I have never criticized Borini as he hasn't had enough time and regarding Allen I believe he is a good player who is still growing.
I do however disagree with the Reina point. You say "Form is temporary but Class is permanent" which is completely crazy. Yes form is temporary, however class is not permanent.
Torres was one of the class players in 2008/9 but is now a mere shadow.
Sneijder was a class act in 2010 but has now fallen from grace, a move to Turkey with only Galatasaray interested. From Real Madrid to Inter to Gala. Evidently the class he had in 2010 is gone.
Reina is the same, how long does bad form have to go on for until it is a lack of class? I loved his 7 and a half years, however I m looking into the future of my club. Constant speculation, large wages, reasonably old (Dont give me the Keepers play till there forty as it is a only select few)
I am 100% sure he would not be going to United.
1) We wouldn't sell to them
2) He is a great servant and fan of ours and wouldn't do that
3) Do they even have an interest?
Reina was a top keeper but he is arguably not the same quality as other younger options, Trapp, Akinfeev or Mandanda.
Ben Rose
Waro: I never have a go at players for a bad game or temporary loss of form and despise posters that do? The difference with Pepe and the reason I personally would not be sad to see him go is; his issues are a little bit more than temp loss of form or the odd bad game.
His goalkeeping reflex reactions have slowed right down and are not good enough and havn't been for more than 2 yrs.
kidmillions
I notice you have gone quiet on the 'sell Lucas and Johnson' posts, Waro.
We all feel differently about players depending on how they are performing - Stevie G was mediocre for the first few months of the season and Pepe has only shown better form in the past few games. Reina doesn't look like he has the same desire to play for us any more and his dad seems to be selling the idea of Barca to the media - if its true then not much difference between him and the Torres situation.
Hopefully, he wants to stay and the club believe he is still good enough. If he plays for Liverpool he should have passion, enthusiasm and be performing to his utmost best....if he wants to leave to a club outside the PL, he should get our thanks and blessings.
Surely, with you being the greatest Liverpool supporter ever because you go to the games and never criticise Gerrard, you can agree with those sentiments?
cozinoz
23 Jan 2013 22:49:59
I really haven't seen Reina as a problem since he's come back from injury, tbh.
- Something Red -
Waro you make a valid point however Reina is a senior player and hasn't been in great form for the past 2 seasons whilst Allen, Borini and Hendo have been criticized when they were hardly in the door and are still younger players.
derryred
So in a round about manner you are saying we Liverpool fan should except others slagging off any of our players as par for the course.
For me personally I would prefer constructive criticism, not just slagging. However I do take exception to mindless slagging, yes sometimes you Waro but more for me from Ozone.
For me personally most of the posts I have seen in which posters slag off our players go unsigned (other fans I would put it down to, no doubt a poll would be 40/30 LFC best club to support).
I don't agree with giving any LFC player a hard time, Lucas, Hendo, Stewie spring to mind. It seems a new perverse way of thinking, sign a player and attempt to break him.
Regarding me personally not sticking up for Reina (cheap shot from you I feel to attempt to pin this on fans who have disagreed with you in the past). I do not come here to argue the toss, but when I see posts like yours (sometimes) and Ozones I sometimes find it hard not to bite.
Difference for me is Allen and Borini have not had enough time at LFC to gain an informed opinion whereas Pepe has been here seven and a half years.
Do I wish to sell Pepe simply put no, has his head been turned, I believe it 'might' have been long ago.
K79
23 Jan 2013 22:07:03
Second poster, are you also taking into account the wage increases that sterling, Suarez, agger, skrtel, Suso and no doubt other have received?
How about the paying off of dalglish and his back room staff? Or the pretty large sum's we have had to pay to the likes of cole and aquilani...
They reinvested all the money made from sales, we just wasted it.
I probably know the answer to my own question but it would be interesting to hear back from another knowledgeable nameless fan.
SideShowBob {Ed002's Note - I think you failed to reply to a specific post Bob.}
Sorry about that ed, it was in response to the 20.16.08 post :)
SideShowBob
23 Jan 2013 22:05:09
Respect to the ed(s)
For putting up with all this dross and continuous question people ask i'm get sick of the coutinho questions and debates myself so I feel sorry for the ed(s).
Change the subject guys, like likely line up for the oldham game and weather you think liverpool should debutise another product of are youth academy there you go I got the ball rolling(no pun intended)
ACHILLES. {Ed052's Note - I feel for Ed002, who puts up full explanation s of the situations, and seems to get more questions! }
Ed002 is a hero putting up the transfer summaries. Needless to say, I am a fan.
KingHeskey
23 Jan 2013 21:53:40
Hi Eds, just watching Madrid v Valencia and was wondering what happened with our interest in Ever Banega a while back, if in fact it was real. Classy player who I know had injuries but would seem less of a risk than Coutinho. Any current interest in the player?
Cheers
P {Ed002's Note - If Banega leaves Valencia in January then Italy seems a likely destination with interest from Fiorentina. Inter Milan has had a long-term interest in the player but they will focus on players for other positions in January.}
23 Jan 2013 21:40:31
arsenal battering west ham
we need to get something from our next two games....we need to stay in touch with spurs until they come to anfield...ifwe can do thiswe have a good chance at catching them in the run in
tom1975
23 Jan 2013 21:37:15
not a rumour but i'm wondering..
why does it mostly seems that we increasingly struggle in the transfer market...most clubs want to hold us at ransom for any player we want//negotiations keep dragging for ages and ages..and eventually we have to pay more than others (much more) to got who we want...seems abit odd to me that a club like liverpool have to struggle that much to get a player? (sturridge being an exeption here perhaps) !
is it our negotiantion team or the way we do our buisness?
plz answer eds if you could?
thanx
My first point is I have no idea why I am warranting this with a response. But nevertheless I shall.
When a club has money they are expected to pay more, being a Premiership club that wealth in the transfer market is there.
I hope you understand that Liverpool are not the only club that pay ridiculous fees. Man City paid £25m for players like Balotelli and Lescott. Chelsea paid over £20m for Ramires, Luiz and Oscar. United paid £16m for Jones, £27m for Ferdinand and £30m for Berbatov.
We paid £16m for Henderson because he is English, Young and has potential (Like the Jones transfer for United). We paid £20m for Downing, he played well and was on form for Villa, they were reluctant to sell and hence we had to pay over the odds to get them, like Lescott.
We are also not the only team who have a very long negotiation process, United have been in talks with Palace over Zaha for at least 2-3 weeks.
Another point is some transfers are quicker, Newcastle have operated very quickly over the past few days - week as they are desperate for the players. Possibly paying over the odds to get a player but to do it quicker. Under Rodgers we are much harder negotiators, Sturridge for £12m for example. We paid over the odds for Allen (Not in my opinion) because we had to activate his release clause.
Ben Rose
Like it Ben:
kidmillions
I expect this when you say that chelsea paid that much for these players so did man united and man city..but there is a huge diffrnece here when talking about established top top stars wanted by every team in the world then they must pay a lot to persuade them...but we are looking into young players with potential...not many top clubs are after to be honest...but still we struggle..not only that..but even when we want to sell players...we end up in the same situation even if the player is that good!...just my opinion!
23 Jan 2013 21:37:03
Hi eds,
Has Ian Ayre really gone on a flight to Italy as it was mentioned earlier. Has Southampton bid for Coutinho been accepted. And finally why did you say flight out to Lisbon that Is Portugal
GAM# {Ed002's Note - There are posts all day about this - you cannot expect me to keep answering the same questions.}
1. Yes
2. Not confirmed
3. We will try for Jeffren if we can't agree a fee with Milan
Keep up lad...........Jeffren has been mentioned all month by certain Ed's & who does he currently play for??
23 Jan 2013 21:28:19
Just a quick question if that's ok? In the event a player was signed on loan as opposed perm, would this have any effect on a work permit at all?
Thanks for your time as always
J {Ed002's Note - There are some exemptions for loans - but not too much.}
23 Jan 2013 21:27:56
Just wondering really if southampton beat us to the signing of coutinho, what does this say for lfc as a club if players rather play for southampton than the mighty lfc?
Just wonder really!
Kjred
If we have agreed a fee with Milan but he still prefers Southampton then it will be a complete embarrassment for the club. Even if the player knows the Southampton manager it will still be a kick in the spuds. But we will move on simple as that it'll be his loss
It says we didn't offer enough money.. I think when one bid is accepted then you only have one choice of club.. If it were me I wouldn't overpay for coutinho.. Don't buy ince or jeffren as neither is good enough.. Put the money away until the summer
I don't understand why people are so befuddled by Southampton signing players. The same fans who talk about Suarez being bought into the future project here and that being a selling point to signings.
They have huge ambitions with extremely wealthy backing. They are selling the project. A potential Stadium upgrade, training complex and a new Modern and forward thinking coach. They are very ambitious if not moreso than ourselves. Players like Lallana, Ramirez and Cork are young, hungry and have bought the project.
The constant slating drives me nuts and the arrogance shown by some fans thinking just because we have 5 CLs and 18 league titles we have the god given right to sign anyone we want. We are not Barcelona. We have the same selling points as Southampton. High wages, beautiful city, passionate fans and ambition.
Please can fans stop with the bashing of an ambitious club. (This isn't directly aimed at this post line but a bunch of them over the last few days.)
Ben Rose
The top 2 or 3 clubs hog all the best players and crush the life out of all the so called smaller clubs.
Then the top 2 or 3 clubs battle it for supremacy? Result? We'll end up like the SPL. The Premier will only ever be as stong as the weaker clubs.
kidmillions
Ben,
As a Saints fan, I visited this page to see if I could find any more rumours on the Coutinho signing... Whilst I was here I was getting fed up of the constant bashing against the saints, with several mentions of championship football and lack of ambition. So I'd just like to thank you for setting the record straight. Over the years I've supported saints these are exciting times for us, we have every ambition to push forward and I think that is evident from the names that are now being linked to us.
Another Saints fan here, no I will re phrase that, FOOTBALL SUPPORTER. We have been in the wilderness for a while but we are not just this little south coast club. We have tremendous support and when you come down here we will make you feel as welcome as we would at your place, honestly. A bit of harmless banter admitted but that's what footballs all about. I think it is good for the premier league that we have owners with oodles of money and ambition to change the boring set up of the top 6 or so being there every season. If we sign Coutinho sorry but we are all in this fantastic league together and to that end survival of the fittest is what it's all about. By the way give my regards to Cilla, only joking. By the way I would have Suarez in my side any time. Have a good season boys and girls. All the best Southern Softie.
Nice one saints supporters I know where you are coming from we need all teams in it to try and stop the top four always being the same top four all the best from red mick tag
23 Jan 2013 21:09:58
I have had every faith in FSG and so far have not been critical of them in the slightest, even if I haven't agreed with every decision, but for me, if we lose out to Southampton for Coutinho for the sake of 2m euros, then they need to rethink what they are doing here. MR.
23 Jan 2013 21:06:20
If I was Ian Ayre (I'm not thank thuck) I would want to get the transfer business done as soon as possible. Better to avoid a deadline day cock up like last time. Expect any business to be wrapped up for weekend rather than Thursday unless he wants to take the chance of him and FSG looking like complete persons again embarrassing themselves in front of the fans. Learn from your mistakes. DBol
He aren't got the money to do that he gotta see whos left in the bargain basement just like the january sales if its in the shop window long enough it gets reduced
Hope you don't mind me saying? But you sound like Roy Hodgson :)
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 20:57:20
Alright eds, do you know anything about a youngster from Leeds Ben Fitz? looks good. {Ed052's Note - nothing with Liverpool}
23 Jan 2013 20:56:07
Alright Ed, supposedly were interested in some young talent from Ireland named Christy Fox - any ideas ?
All the best - Anthony {Ed052's Note - nope}
23 Jan 2013 21:02:48
Maybe Sneidjer didn't want to join us because he still has nightmares about our 4-0 whooping against his Real Madrid side in '09 lol
i'm only joking around:)
RedSpud
23 Jan 2013 20:47:03
ed002, will you continue to keep us in the loop about coutinho, thanks for the info so far. {Ed002's Note - Of course.}
23 Jan 2013 20:39:57
Ahoy - must say I am looking forward to the FA Cup 4th round on Sunday - a proper Cup Tie and we will certainly see BR's intentions for silverware in the starting 11 selected.
However a trip to Oldham bears similarities to our 4th round exit to Burnley 8 years ago.
A night memorablefor 2 things - an emerging Gary Cahill playing for Burnley and Djimi Traore's comedy own goal.
Such an astonishing OG it created my favourite ever LFC players song.
"Blame it on Traore, he just can't, he just can't, he just can't control his feet"
BOILED ONIONS
23 Jan 2013 20:39:28
Heard italian football expert say on this afternoon on H &J that liverpool were sending a delegation to italy tommorow to "iron out the details" of coutinhos (spelling?) tommorow. he basically implied the deal was all but done. cheers. {Ed002's Note - I suspect you confused both the days and the content.}
I don't wish to start an arguement with the eds but I can assure you he did say it today. I know isn't totally accurate but i'm only repeating what the guy said. he definitely said tommorow.
23 Jan 2013 20:16:08
I, like every football supporter would love to see my club spending bucket loads on star players. Not really going to happen, only to a select few teams. We've got a smallish squad and needs a couple of players but we've already spent how much? 12 on sturridge, 15 on allen, 11 for borini and 3.5 for assaidi. With getting rid of bellamy, kuyt, maxi and paying off cole and aqualani we made a loss on them. Cant complain on how much we've spent really, not many clubs that have spent £40m
DAR
What many seem to ignore is the player sales and wage cuts that need to be included in the net spend!
FSG IMO have been average, not sure why they bought us tbh, we're going nowhere fast under them, if anything backwards......
I hope BR can make us stronger without funds but as usual the sides above us and around us will strengthen when we penny pinch on average players who don't improve us.
How can you say they have been average? They gave kk a rubbish load of money to buy the players he wanted, they have backed Rodgers in the transfer market, they have pretty much cleared the clubs debt (we were about 24hours from going bump). When the financial fair play ruling is fully implemented we will be in a much better situation than most teams currently above us! Also with some of the worst transfers and most expensive in the last few years can you blame them that they are not throwing money at it like some fans expect!
23 Jan 2013 20:10:34
23 Jan 2013 09:36:00
Morning guys
I jus normally post up the teams before de media gets it
But for once my source has some info! Please do not slate me if its wrong!
Apparently reina was in Barcelona last night tying up a deal to Barcelona. He doesn't know whether he'll moving now or summer!
Cheers guys
SullyRed YNWA
Reina was actually in the bowling alley on Edge Lane last night with Danny Pacheco, Reina had a plaster on his broken nose so your source not as itk with transfers as he is with his team news
Red1
23 Jan 2013 20:36:44
I can honestly say that I saw Reina last night in the car park for Mecca bingo. He was waiting for his wife who goes there every tuesday and got bored of waiting so he went inside for a few games. Turns out it was a good decision as he won a tenner and a free holiday to Barcelona. Well done Pepe YNWA
23 Jan 2013 20:07:41
New to this site and there seems to be a lot of people coming on asking about players who are coming, going and most of it is pure specualtion. I'm not convinced Coutinho is a player that would be good at Lfc it seems like a gamble on another youngster. I'm also glad Sneijder didn't come because he showed what he's all about by joining Galatasary give it a year and he'll be moving again. Liverpool should be focusing on cover for Leiva and doing the un-enviable task of finding the new Steven Gerrard. If Lfc lose Leiva again its curtains.
23 Jan 2013 20:05:34
west ha 1 up at arsenal
5-1 Arsenal
23 Jan 2013 19:54:32
Evening Eds - great work as usual and thanks Ed002 for the detailed Coutinho update earlier. Lets sit back and hope we can do a deal, with or without the credit card!
On a separate issue, have you heard anything regarding the news that went out on the 10 Jan in some papers/websites suggesting that the club were considering offering KK a role?
Curious to hear if you know anything.
Cheers!
The Goatherder
JFT 96 {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it, sorry.}
23 Jan 2013 19:40:57
Will wonderdogsparky be moving to Bacelona with Pepe?
Daveevad {Ed002's Note - He dealt with that a couple of days back - but it won't be Barcelona.}
23 Jan 2013 19:36:30
If reina wants to lets sell him get has much has we can for him and give Jones a chance and buy butland and invest in more top class players because if you have 10 class players infront of you it don't matter if you are a world class keeper just a good keeper
I think you are under estimating the goal keeper role a bit.
The Irish Rover
Your only as good as your weekest link.
a great goalie can make a huge difference to a team. germany in the 2002 wourld cup didn't have outstanding team but the had a brilliant goalie in oliver kahn who got them to the final.
for us to play so exposed at the back we need a top class goalie, even just for the mindset to know that you have some one you trust in the sticks
KUMBER
Totaly agree Kumber. Top Class keeper is paramount been saying it for an age.
(over 2 yrs)
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 19:36:01
Re: all the Reina talk
A lot of people on here are saying that if Reina left he wouldn't be missed that much. I think you are missing something...Reina is one of the best goalkeepers because of his distribution and composure on the ball. He has composure with the ball at his feet and a high percentage of the time plays the ball short comfortably. This allows us to keep the ball and build from the back, which is how Brendan Rodgers wants us playing. Brad Jones has been good for us...but good as a back up. If you watch him when he has the ball at his feet he panics and isn't very composed...resulting in a longer ball and loss of possession.
In my opinion Reina would be a big loss, and it would be hard to find someone of similar ability.
RedRocket
Reina has fluffed it severaltimes this season, giving itaway cheaply tooppositionattackers whenever other teams decide to press us high up the field
most recently at united
World Class keepers have lightning reactions and make saves they have no right to make.
Pepe has slowed down remarkably over the last couple of yrs.
kidmillions
When was the last time he saved a penalty? I used to feel confident that he would save a fair few when he last came...
SideShowBob
23 Jan 2013 19:18:13
Hi Ed hope all is well and thanks again for this site great work. Reading your update on Coutinho its most likely we are not going to get him unless we step up the asking price and then we got to look at tr relationship he had with Southampton manager not sure if it was good or bad, but even soon its looking like we are not getting him. My suggestion is that we look else were because we are running out of time.
23 Jan 2013 20:13:22
I don't believe we need to panic buy in January. Buying a player in January doesn't get you into the top four unless they are world class and we are not being linked to world class players.
23 Jan 2013 19:16:58
Finally, Ian Ayre has bought Honda
He said it fits in with the FSG transfer policy
It is younger and costs less to run than the old Harley
(refuse to put my name to this lame attempt at humour)
Yeh good time he got on his bike and done one
23 Jan 2013 19:12:41
Why would we not be willing to match Southampton's bid for Coutinho? Do we not rate the lad as highly as they do..? The Eds have consistenly said that there is no fixed budget and the owners will sanction moves if they feel it represents good business. Surely even at the figs Southampton are willing to pay he would be a decent option...?! {Ed002's Note - I think you need to go back to what was said about the finances and take note of the "within reason" words.}
If FSG were involved in property, they'd be scurrying around buying in repossessions as fast as they could at distressed prices.
When Werner says good business, he means if FSG can 'pick pocket' at a good percentage below market value, then they might be interested in doing something for the player
Ozone
Good idea. Let's pay over the odds and fill these pages with abuse because we have paid too much. Will you never learn?
Robbie
Why have people only got bad things to say about FSG. They saved LFC from Gillett and Hicks or did we forget those two. FSG have stabilised the club off the field and Rodgers is doing the same on it. Why pay ridiculous prices for nobody's. Keep up the good work FSG we're going in the right direction.
Still banging the same drum, Ozone?
cozinoz
Yes cozinoz. Things don't change.
Ozone
23 Jan 2013 19:10:33
Clarke Carlisle possibly the worst commentator Ever!
On itv4. Now appalling
Ssshhh, you can't say that...he's educated remember. He's about as educated as my left arm.
DaveyBootle
Theirs other reasons you can't say anything about him!!
Although not as cultured Davey
23 Jan 2013 18:52:08
Is it just me or is anyone else getting a bit worried that we will end up getting Carroll back in the summer. I know its only a couple of games but to see Sturridge running the line and showing great mobility reminds me how slow and predictable it was was with Andy up front. I have nothing against the lad and really did want him to succeed when he signed but he just doesn't suit our style of play. I kinda hoped he would regain a bit of form at West Ham but he has hardly set the world alight when fit.
I know there is rumours of a contract clause, that if West Ham stay up they have to buy him but I think that's just wishful thinking. Right now I cannot see anyone buying him off us in the summer not even Newcastle.
Sorry for the doom and gloom but am I the only one worried about this?
Kev the Red (apples)
No I can see it too. It's just our luck. Like you, I have nothing against the lad but regard his transfer from Newcastle as the worst bit of business in football history. His laboured style was painful to watch.
Finger crossed he gets fit soon and gets on the end of a couple of crosses. Allerdyce style of football suits him, although I think he's punching above his weight at West Ham. The championship or league 1 is where he
belongs in my opinion.
Ozone
And when we paid all of that money for Carroll we all were made up. It was a great piece of bussinness or so we all thought. Paid well over the odds and now look at the pages on here. Everyone saying that we paid too much for him but now we should pay over the odds for everyone that we are linked with. How many had even heard of Coutinho before we were linked never mind seen him play? Now we should get him at any cost. Bit silly really
Robbie
23 Jan 2013 20:21:08
Andy Carroll in the right team scares the hell out of defenders because of his aerial ability. To say he's only championship material is a bit much. LFC valued him at £35m and Newcastle were rubbing their hands when we offered that after a limited time in the Newcastle first team. The Carroll situation unfortunately is one that we created.
23 Jan 2013 20:23:15
Good comments and I totally agree. I've never heard of Coutinho or most of the people we are linked to. Plus Coutinho is being coveted by one other team Southampton. That says everything about the lad. If he was that good there would be stacks of teams lining up to sign him.
We should have took the hit last summer. No loan deals.
kidmillions
People forget we got 50m for someone who was also grossly over-valued so just forget both, knock 25m off both and chill. Don't or get a spurs had bid 26m for Carroll not long before so that sort of set the bar which Newcastle successfully raised as we got more desperate because other targets slipped through our fingers. Suarez has increased in value so too has that of Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Sterling, Suso, Wisdom, Kelly and Shelvey.
23 Jan 2013 18:46:53
We all no big signings wasn't coming in or out the window in January the fact we got sturride was a bonus and I laugh when I hear people going on about liverpool not spending. Why would you spend when have just watched 100+ million just disappear givin Rodgers a good look at see what he can actually do with the kids and financially and comes summer suarez won't be going nowhere only thing will be happening is Europeans finest coming back home to get these cups back these owners came in for a reason and with Brendan they got.a good go at doing it. And I'll put guardiola to bed to maybe if he was at barce still with a 10 year contract maybe but suarez ain't going nowhere for a part job he wants a home for life and he buzzes of the pressure bigjim
I don't think suarez will stay too long cauuse all superstars got champions league on their brains look what happend to torres
23 Jan 2013 18:43:57
I personally don't think Suarez will leave for at least another season as he does genuinely seem to love playing for Liverpool.
All this rubbish about him trying to force a move by admitting that he dived in the Stoke game (which everyone knew anyway as no defender was even near him when he took a tumble) is really clutching at straws.
It is the exact same thing everyone was saying in the Summer when he talked about the Evra situation and not only did he stay at Liverpool, he also signed a new 5 year contract.
YNWA
23 Jan 2013 19:28:54
contracts mean nothing these days pal.
23 Jan 2013 18:40:49
Just a question really... How is it that we all hear how hard negotiations are and they take along time to complete and then the last day before the window shuts a player is linked to a club, fee is agreed, gets to the club for medical and signs .... Just wondered
23 Jan 2013 18:38:34
Really pleased way our season is going, would like to think we can push on and make a serious challenge to get back in the champions league.sighnings? I'd like to realistically see wanyama and hooper from Celtic to help us push for 4th sport.£15 mill for the pair? Thoughts please people
Imo we don't need hooper. he would never have the impact that sturridge has had. we have borini, sturridge and suarez that can play through the middle.
wanyama is he a good enough footballer. big strong and great at breaking up play but how good is his vision and passing range.
KUMBER
23 Jan 2013 20:28:28
Its a good job your not in control of the purse strings at Anfield. On what basis have you valued these two. Before Celtic played Barcelona I'd never seen them do anything special and haven't since.
23 Jan 2013 18:37:31
Alright eds am I the only liverpool fan who thinks that reina leaving wudnt be that big of a deal.brad jones has been exceptional wen called upon, and reina has been inconsistant at best.free up funds to strengthen elsewhere.just my opinion so don't all shout at me at once ynwa1892 {Ed002's Note - I doubt you are the only one.}
I agree to a point mate, but Jones doesn't fill me with much confidence.
DaveyBootle
I agree mate, Reinas been poor for 2 years now. His inability to deal with crosses and command the penalty area is unsettling the back four. He's not the keeper he once was unfortunately.
Ozone
I personally think its a bit sad of posters stating they won't be that fussed if Pepe moves on. He has given Liverpool good service and good keepers are hard to come by. Plus I still think he is a great keeper but I do think he wants to go home, maybe to re ignite his desire. I would be sad to see him go.
The Irish Rover
The Irish rover.
Have you seen him play for the last year or so
Wants to stay off the Pies for one!!
23 Jan 2013 20:32:50
Am I the only one on this site that thinks Reina is quality and possibly in the top 3 keepers in the premiership. He makes mistakes like any other keeper. How many times this season have LFC lost a game because of Reina's poor play? I'd have Reina in goals any day of the week ahead of Butland or Brad Jones. Butland is in the England set up because the selection of good English keepers ends with J Hart. A new keeper is not a priority and its not as if LFC have got money to throw around is it.
23 Jan 2013 18:32:07
can the ed explain to all the frustrated fans wat the hells going on regarding our transfer targets. Since ayre has participated in doing them we constantly miss out on all are targets.wat a farce last season. Dempsey ramires sigurdson he let go last day of transfer he closed up at 7 and buggered of home.8 days left looks like its happening again forren sissoko gone. Is that wat we've become a second rate team.byeing mediocre players with potential lol ince couthino etc that we sell on wen thier potential is reachedachieved gereard needs a replacement so we buy potential cheap champion ship players.let down again bye yanks
{Ed002's Note - I rather thought that the Ed had done a pretty good job explaining what has been going on with the transfer targets.}
Don't like mr ayre, but pretty sure we turned down wage demands for sigurdson, gaston we never even admitted interest in at any point. Dempsey kind of glad we missed out.
I love speculation about players and hope we can find a new alonso, but don't want to pay over the price for any player. Glad we are now sticking to our prices and not being driven over the odds. Which most people on this site seem to complain about if we spend over the odds then complain if we not willing to spend over the odds.
Just let LFC do their jobs and bring in who they want/can.
Would still be happy to stay as we are till the summer if needs be rather than be held to ransom.
Trust in LFC.
Lifelongred
Do you have a clue who liverpool were after. dempsey and co have hardly set the premiership alight with the clubs they are at. if you ask me not buying them was the best thing. you would only be moaning now that liverpool overpaid for a player
Wholeheartdly agree with 2nd poster,
I try and just enjoy the not knowing; the anticipation of maybe making a good signing and don't get to eat-up about it if we don't.
kidmillions
Original poster are you waro and ozone's unnamed love child.
is it because you have no name that makes you angry.
iv got one for you how about wazona.
KUMBER
23 Jan 2013 20:48:10
Oh dear. I can't beleive what I've just read. Dempsey, Siguurdson, and all the other names in that list. Dempsey was a big fish in a little pond at Fulham and he hasn't exactly been banging them in at spurs because they have other players who want the ball unlike at Fulham when they just fed Dempsey all day long. Siguurdson I can't recall AVB starting him this season and if he has he didn't set the world on fire. Money saved on those two counts. As for Foren, who is he and why was he even linked to LFC. Ha Ha Ha!
Before Ayre took control, Comolli saw fit to pay the (comparatively) large sums of money for Carroll, Henderson, Downing, and Adam - something which a large number of fans enjoy whining about on here. Which would you prefer, or maybe you need to ask yourself if you will ever be happy!
Liverpres
23 Jan 2013 18:30:32
My brother lives in Milan and he's just rang me saying Ian Ayre is in his local strip club spending all the Coutinho money on dances. Once confronted Ayre's exact words were " this is nothing, last year on a night round Newcastle I spent £35M on a blow up doll" Dbol
I laughed, but I do feel sorry for Andy, I Hope his luck changes.
That's post of the year so far..
23 Jan 2013 18:18:19
Reina is not as gud as b4, so selling him shld collect some funds for new recruits. Brad jones can be gud till the end of season. Jones has played 9 games so far and has kept 7 clean sheets. Very impressive.
9 games, hardly having to make a save.
BthekingB
How do think Reina won his golden gloves?
Answer= Big Sammi & Carra = he hardly had to make a save.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 18:16:21
Assaidi and Morocco are live on itv4 for anyone interested
RobInRed
23 Jan 2013 18:59:43
Watched first half not done nothing and when he's had the ball has gt muscled off the ball and hasn't had the chance to turn and run at defenders.
He's got the Hook!!
23 Jan 2013 18:10:48
Is Ian Ayre Going to Italy as part of the deal for Coutinho, I heard that he's been having a great season with his 5-a side team this year but is out of contract in summer. -McMenemy
23 Jan 2013 18:08:36
BREAKING: Philippe Coutinho is having a medical at Southampton after he rejected a move to Liverpool. More soon. #tv
Of course he is, Messi is also having a medical right now at Everton....
Curled1
23 Jan 2013 17:49:12
Just a quick question for my fellow Reds. If we do manage to sign Coutinho to add to the capture of Sturridge would you see this as a successful window?
On the plus side I think they are both exciting pacey and skilful players who will add to our first team for many years to come.
However the overall objective of the window was to make up for the mistakes in the summer and add numbers to our ultra thin squad, or the group as BR would say. Having already let Cole, Sahin, Wilson and Morgan leave either on loan or permanently and with Coates also possibly on the move have we not yet again reduced our overall depth? I realise none of these guys were regular 1st team starters but they were all good squad players.
Personally I hope Ayre manages to secure Coutinho and we manage to get in at least one more 1st team starter, two if Coates moves on, to allow us a shot at 4th place or I would see this windowas another missed opportunity. What do you think ?
Norfolk Red
It not all about numbers. Its about quality and flexibilty. Sturridge and Coutinho can play a number of positions.
23 Jan 2013 20:56:29
I bet everyone on this page who has mentioned Coutinho has never seen him play. How do you know what he's going to be like if you've never watched him. I know one thing before this week I hadn't heard of him which would probably mean he would be a gamble and an expensive one at that.
In general I agree, quality over quantity every time. However we have a wafer thin squad that is over reliant on young players due to allowing the likes of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy and Carroll to leave without getting adequate replacements.
We have now let another 4 players leave and have so far only brought in one, even though Sturridge is an excellent signing. So unless my maths is very poor we now have an even thinner squad!
Norfolk Red
23 Jan 2013 17:48:37
Hi Ed's
You have said Ian Ayer is in Italy today... You have also said that we havnt had a bid accepted so is Ian there to talk with inter? Or to talk to coutinho? because I thought you weren't allowed to talk to players without there clubs permission? {Ed002's Note - He is there to see if a deal can be done.}
23 Jan 2013 17:53:56
Eds, I know it's not really that simple but with Pacheco seeming to be surplus would there be any way of using him as a bargaining tool with inter?
Thanks for the hard work.
RobInRed {Ed052's Note - why would Inter want him. Its like Cardiff making an offer for a player and saying, here, want this poor player who has a bad attitude but can't even get into our team}
Fair! wishful thinking to offload him haha.
RobInRed
If Pacheco is as bad as you have said ed052 then why don't we sell him for a nominal fee or release him to get rid ?
I think he is a very good player and no doubt the best player in the reserves, he needs 1st team football.
BigD {Ed052's Note - he will go for a nominal fee}
23 Jan 2013 17:32:58
Hi Eds,
Is it true that if Liverpool get permission to sign philippe coutinho from inter one of the clauses in his contract will be Ian ayre has to personally drive him back to England via the autobahns on his Harley?
Thatracoonstolemybacon
That is one stipulation as long as a sidecar is added.
Scouse_Pride
23 Jan 2013 17:24:03
Hey Ed(s) is it true Keisuke Honda is out of contract in the summer/winter?
Just seen an article talking about the best upcoming free agents...
Cheers. {Ed019's Note - Liverpool were very interested at one time but may have blown their chance of Honda in January 2011 when he was available for about £8M. During the mid-season in Russia, Wolfsburg and Juventus were interested in Honda but the player said he wanted to move to Spain and the 25M euro asking price put them off. This summer we saw enquiries for the player have been from Lazio, PSG, Sevilla and Palermo. It seems to be the longest running of the Liverpool (and Arsenal) related "rumours". Honda was close to leaving in the summer with a move to Lazio only failing at the last minute and I understand that Lazio would still be interested at the right price. He has had a bit of a strange season in that he has been scoring goals but his performances have been criticised - which seems to have put off Dortmund who have taken a recent look. If you were to ask if I expect Honda to move to Liverpool in January the answer would be probably not.}
Had to read that again looked like Ed said Honda was moving to Liverpool
damn you, you go my hopes up
Kanos
23 Jan 2013 17:18:24
any chance of a club ending our downing nightmare this transfer window? {Ed002's Note - Search engine please.}
23 Jan 2013 17:17:14
Suarez' comment to the media last week admitting diving was the first step in sowing the seeds for his exit. For the 1st time the Liverpool management were forced to withdraw their unstinting support for him. Who would blame him not wanting to spend his best years at a mid table club with little chance of winning anything? He'll be Anfield history by the summer.
If he becomes anfield history then he'd have scored 140 goals between now and the end of the season in helping us achieve a treble (FA Cup, Premeirship and Europa League)
derryrec
Suarez has caused controversy for years.. I don't think he is looking for an exit.. He had a long contract and I can't see juventus being able to attract a player from the premier league.. BM may appeal to him but I doubt they can afford 60 million.. Perhaps PSG could buy him if he really wanted to leave even though he hasn't stated anything of that nature before
Hopr you are too, keyboardking.................andy.
You'll be history if you don't go back to your own club's site !
23 Jan 2013 17:07:40
Hello all. I am an addicted viewer on this website as many of you reading probably are.. I am also a lifelong liverpool fan (im 23 and live in southampton). I would just like to say how refreshing it is to see liverpool start convincingly beating teams at home now its really been too long. I think sturridge has completely changed our attacking force, allowing suarez to mix it in the number ten role and have a lot more say in the game. Also I would like to give credit to jordan henderson who proves hard work and desire pays off when you have the ability to make it. But apart from suarez my two standout players have been glen johnson and jose enrique, although enrique is injured the month before he was unplayble, looked as fast as dwain chambers and strong as ade akinbye (lol) and has given that left side real beef.. as for johnson.. legend, he has never really been in the spotlight but he's been here for 5 years now and has really proved irreplaceable wethers its on the left or right, not a lot more I can say he is just a great player who were lucky to have... Lastly I would just like to say that its been a hard few years but I can see a turning point and I really do believe that we will get stronger the rest of this season and start like a house on fire next season.. as a liverpool fan we have to aim for the top and I really believe top four is realistic this year.. SO COME ON BOYS LETS SHOW THE REST OF THE LEAGUE WE ARE NOT FINISHED AND WE ARE CHASING DOWN EVERY TEAM ABOVE US!! ynwa
Calum Red
Good post young man, nice to read something upbeat :)............andy.
23 Jan 2013 18:14:53
thankyou... our team needs support and encouragement, not constant slating of players managers and the owners
calum red
Hear hear well said red.win lose or draw we are all red's.lets just back the boys, the gaffa and the owner's, all of us pushing are club back to the top.jay essex red for life red till dead.as always walking on with hope
23 Jan 2013 21:10:19
I do like the positivity but we did beat Norwich at home and we need consistency. We have only twice this season won back to back games. Sturridge has started one game and looks a good player. I totally agree with the comments about Johnson and Enrique really good players and a credit to the club.
23 Jan 2013 16:45:38
Hi ed002 great job,
I was just wondering as you keep on mentioning it but What is the Iberian contract clause? Is it a rule?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - It will be something referred to when people bleat on about buy-out clauses without understanding them.}
23 Jan 2013 16:45:26
Hi Eds. Very quick one. What is .........? Thanks {Ed002's Note - We don't discuss such matter, sorry.
They are dots, my friend.
BthekingB
BthekingB
Quality reply
23 Jan 2013 16:27:19
Does diame really have a 3.5 mil release clause? Because if so sounds a bargain or we could include him in some carroll deal.
Thanks
23 Jan 2013 16:21:50
Hello folks- just wanting to get everyone's take on our latest target Coutinho- I have not seen much of him myself but remember him having a stormer against Spurs in the champions league at the San Siro- at the time I thought he was absolute class for a kid- he reminds me of a quicker version of Oscar, good feet, an eye for a killer pass and able to get a goal.
I've got in in me head that he's a bit like the little Brazilian midfielder that was at Middlesborough a few moons ago. Forget his name now, but quick of thought and feet. Very slight though. Him and Sterling would make a good arm wrestling contest. Lol. {Ed002's Note - Juninho.}
23 Jan 2013 16:02:37
I don't know if anyone agrees with me on this but I was watching the Sky documentary on Bob Paisley, & rather reminded me of Brendan Rodgers. Now I'm not saying Brendan is Him and whatever but I hope he is & the way he talks switches players round reminds me of the genius Paisley. BR is building his team and I can see what he's aiming for. Trying to show the 70-80s football that we had with the likes of kenny rush etc- an promoting the always moving game. And in the words of phil Thompson going out there to batter the opposition!- Norwich, Sunderland & hopefully the bigger teams!
MoMo
To the person who disagreed with this post I would love to here what your thoughs on BR and why you disagreed .for me I can see grate improvement on the team and the way we are playing like what MoMo says batter the opposition or what BR says football by death that was the way we played and slowly going back to that way
red rrab
Ignore the frightened trolls, the conparison with paisley's Liverpool is evident a continental passing & possession ethic combined with scouse resillience, Brendan definitely has the template.....
Paisley's genius
Would have to agree, I am starting to feel really good about where we are heading with rodgers and the style of play, still think top four this season is just too much, but thinking about next season is exciting :)...........andy.
I disagreed, I can see what you're getting at and although I was skeptical of Rodgers when he was hired, he has certainly impressed me. I don't think such a comparison is fair to either man. Paisley is a legend like no other, full stop. I hope we will talk about Rodgers in the same vein one day but until then I would rather appreciate the man for who he is, rather than crush him with pressure by comparisons to past legends.
23 Jan 2013 19:09:25
Mate forget paisley Rodgers has long way to go before taking his name with one of the GREATEST Managers ever to grace Footy even Fergie is no where near Paisley
In 8 years Paisley won 3 Champions league trophy and 6 league titles with FA cups and Charity shield.
Total 35-40 titles in 8 years
Thanks for replies and thoughts, I didn't mean to compare him to Paisley (of course he is a legend, absolute genius) one of the most decorated and 1 of the best managers ever in football- I just meant the way BR has taken on the role, based on what I've seen and heard from Paisley (I'm 21- so I wasn't around when he was) but based on that, I can see what BR is trying to introduce, the Paisley way
MoMo
Mono I think most posters, realised it was not a direct comparison but a simarlarity in style, as one of the above posters correctly pointed out Bob Paisley was a brilliant manager & criminally underated, watched one of these programmes listing the all time great managers in Britain & Bob paisley came in 5th with Harry redknapp above him, it was at that point I turned off, growing up in the 70's & 80's Bill Shankly Bob Paisley & Joe Fagan (first treble by an English club under his tenure conveniently forgotten) gave us some great teams & some great football in a way our generation were some what spoiled, the level of refinement that Bob applied to Shank's work will never be underestimated not forgotten by true reds.....keep well keep red y.n.w.a jft96
Paisley's genius
23 Jan 2013 15:54:53
Who is this Rojas player? 21 and plays in A-League. don't think he is good enough for us, but some fans on here seem to think every player we go in for is a world beater just because he 'could' be signing.
23 Jan 2013 16:14:58
you say you don't know who he is but yet you say he is not good enough?....
Kinda of agree, how can you say he's not good enough if you don't know who he is. Once upon a time all pro's where un heard off.
redphil
The fact is that, due to him playing in the other side of the world at about 4 am our time, none of us are going to get to see much of him apart from highlights. Unless a poster from this site living in Australia, cares to share with us ?
derryred
23 Jan 2013 18:19:21
Most moronic post I think I've read since I came across this site lol
ACHILLES.
The kid has done well this season in the A-League. However, so has Emile Heskey (who incidently playsfor my home team, the Newcastle United Jets). My point is that the A-League is miles behind the EpL and even way behind the Championship tier. Players from here in Australia should be picked up on trial to see if they can cut it with the big boys.
Liverpres (Newcastle, Australia)
He is ceratinly a super talent at A-League level and has scored some special goals this year along with a really high assist/opportunity created rate on top. As to whether he would be able to translate that into EPL form, only time will tell. He is one of the most promising A-League players but sadly is a kiwi as I would love for him to have been available for the Socceroos. The other really promising young forward is Rogic who has just moved to Celtic.
Andy K (down under)
23 Jan 2013 15:52:11
To be honest i'm not that bothered about Reina wanting to leave, he hasn't been playing well for nearly 2 years. We need a new keeper. Begovic or Krul?
Vorm would be a good choice too
Disagree I'd say 4 years
Akinfeev for me
Kanos
23 Jan 2013 14:26:27
have to say that Rodolfo Borrells work in last few years has been first class, the u18s and reserves have improved so much since he's been there, his recored speaks for itself.
Jordan Ibe, Ryan McLoughlan, Jerome Sinclair, LLoyd Jones, Suso.Raheem Sterling, Jack Robinson just a few names as to why the future is bright for Liverpool Y.N.W.A
Eds can you get your opinion Jao Carlos Teixeira?he looks to have the class needed to make it {Ed052's Note - he does, but he needs games under his belt, goals and assists if he is to get chances}
Majority where signed from other clubs. I think more of a thank you to a certain man now at Chelsea is in order.
redphil
Lets not forget a certain King took the chance on Teixeira too. I know there were some bad buys too, but credit should be given where it is due.
23 Jan 2013 02:54:52
Eds:
If you had to say which CAM was most likely to come in during this window, who would that be? I believe that Coutinho is so highly coveted by BR/FSG because of his age, promise, and versatility. See his situation as more likely than not. Would be big for LFC. More to come now and in the summer.
-JM {Ed052's Note - Coutinho would-be the most likely CAM}
23 Jan 2013 15:38:12
A few random thoughts...
1. The last time a team had an SAS strikeforce, it was Shearer and Sutton and they won the league. Now we have Suarez and Sturridge.
2. If we add Sterling for a front 3, we'll have SSS. This being the Chinese year of the Snake, I hope it ssspellsss sssuccesssssss.... Haha
3. Hope Stephen Darby wins the league cup with Bradford. For those who don't know, he was our Reserves captain not so long ago. Didn't quite make the 1st team but once a Red, always a Red. Come on lad, you can do it!!! YNWA!!
Singapore Red
Good luck Mr Darby.
I bet Jay Spearing wishes he was with Darby now
23 Jan 2013 15:38:04
Coutinho interest was just a smoke screen to get Ince.
Mmm - Coutinho at 10m or Ince at anything more than 1m - no brainer.
Come on down young Brazilian - and Blackpool try and con someone else about values.
So Ian Ayre's in Milan to finally sit across the table with Paul Ince & Son to hammer out a deal, then? Very effective negotiation technique.... ra1969
Can I just say how.....
Different type of player, different position,
redphil
23 Jan 2013 15:27:31
eds I've just seen Coutinho sharing a Big Mac Meal with Ian Ayre in John Lennon Airport, they are Waiting for Mario Goetze and Christian Erikkson to collect their luggage, Lucas will collect them in a tinted Range Rover. "watch this space" 100%
concon
Back to the good old days of this site, a "retro" post indeed
I have just seen Benitez in a chippy and he said he only took the Chelsea job as it was only until the end of the season and he will be back at Anfield come August.
Also said he was bringing Torres back, and signing Silva and Ramos.
good times...
23 Jan 2013 16:05:48
I nearly believed you until I remembered there's no maccies in Jl airport only a Burger King...you've been rumbled there
Sam
What a rubbish post....you didn't even point out that he went large!!
And the fact Ince was with them and he went for the Happy meal option!!
Please report the full story
Paisleys slippers
Can we please have more of these posts.... Fantastic
I saw ince the other day, he said "Get the h**k out of my bedroom you creep"
derryred
I'm sure it was Paul Ince I see in Mothercare the other day....he was looking at dummys..probably ready to replace the one he will spit out when Brendan refuses to pay stupid wages for him.
Expect his piece in the paper slating our owners etc........
Paisleys slippers
Derryred, just brilliant.
23 Jan 2013 15:26:58
hi ed's and fellow reds. just want to say something on the Coutinho issue. the guy wants to stay were he is he does not want to come to liverpool fact he has already said this on italian tv. why has ian ayre gone over to italy I don't no ian ayre is a prat . Y.N.W.A
Of course he's going to say that, this is standard practice. If a player says he wants to leave his current club and the transfer does not get completed it could cause hostility between the player, club and fans.
Red Bish
I am quite sure if Ian Ayre or anyone else has gone to Italy to sort out a deal, Coutinho would have given indication that he would like to join. either himself or through his agents regardless of what he has said in public. I'm sure if a deal to anyone were to fall through, he would surely not want to be hassled every time he played for inter in the future. Also I'm sure Inter are also open to the sale or they would have just said "not for sale" when they picked up the phone.
Personally I think it shows a bit of class going over to sort out a deal on a personal level, and it also shows Coutinho that we really want him. If he wants to come to us he will. Agreeing a fee with Inter is a different matter. In that case if we really want him we wil offer enoughl. So basically it's not just up to us, YNWA Simonpw
How many people who come on this site know anything about Ian Ayre - do they know what his remit is? Do they know what actual powers he's been given by the owners? - Character assassination by people with limited knowledge.
FSG are serious businessmen, if Ayre was responsible for as many mistakes as people think, he'd have been got rid of ages ago, so it seems to me that he must be doing exactly what they want him to do.
John B
I think he is a scapegoat for fans on here.
derryred
23 Jan 2013 15:25:47
suarez if you read this which you most likely will do the grass isn't always greener on the other side remember torres so think long and hard before you leave us for cl football but who's to say we won't get top 4 FAN
23 Jan 2013 15:07:11
I am Very Hope Liverpool Staff Will read It I make some research about rising star out of Big League.Firstly Facundo Ferreyra(21 years old)Velez Sarsfield have score 13 from 15 match.Next Carlos Bacca(26 years old)Club Brugge Have score 20 from 26 match and create 6 assists and 2 goal from 2 match from colombia
. Alfred Finnbogason(23 years old) Heerenveen 20 goals from 26 match and also create 8 assists.Lastly Dusan Tadic(24 years old)Twente Creative player position (Ring Wing and also can play Attacking Midfielder and Left Wing) have scored 11 goals from 33 and create 17 assists for Twente this season.
Tadic is the best out of that bunch but he only moved in the summer and is having a fine season so I doubt any move.
BigD
I once scored 9 goals and 10 asists in one game, adittedly it was in the Monday night astro turf 8 a side floodlit league for veterans. Good stats though whatever the league:( I think :0)
kidmillions
I was at that match, I remember it was quite a convincing victory.
kidmillions 9
Wavertry school for the blind 2
23 Jan 2013 14:54:37
100% FACT! coutinho has had a change of heart, or an apparent change of heart... just seen him, with my own eyes, not through a friend of my sister's boyfriend's boss' son who knew a guy who worked with a guy who had a magical mirror that answered questions... anyway just saw coutinho in the arrivals lounge of "george best" belfast city airport... looks like a deal is going through for a permenant move to Crusaders of the danske bank premier league, after a recent victory over arch rivals linfield they are looking to strengthen to do a league, cup, cup treble.... PURE TRUTH!
I've him ordering a family bucket meal from KFC in center of Liverpool. He can't be in two places at once !?
FowlerGod.
Nobody wants to read this crap
Kerryred
So who's Ian Ayre just flown out to Italy to sign then? His brother Floyd??
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Eds why do you muddy this great site with what can be described as low end humour, that has been done to death.
Kopping a feel {Ed002's Note - We don't write the posts and there is vast amounts of dross at the moment.}
100% classic banter lol, Simonpw
Do yourself a favour and chillax Kerry and Kopping, get yourself a sence of humour..
STEEVO
RED4LIFE
23 Jan 2013 14:54:32
Ian Ayre has gone to Milan to kidnap Coutinho. We are going to disguise him as Stewart Downing and see if anyone realises that we now have a player who can beat a man.
He's going to be encouraged to cut inside every time he gets in a crossing position and belt the ball somewhere goalwards. That should convince most people.
After 6 months we'll let him start playing football. Job done. Plane ticket was only £30 with Ryan-Air so Ian Ayre got himself a bargain at last.
Paulo
Brilliant post that was Paulo.
jonnybarnes89-90
23 Jan 2013 14:52:09
Just like to say a big confratulations on Steven Darby helping Bradford get through to the Capital one cup final, hope he gets a winners medal
Rob
23 Jan 2013 14:51:13
Does anyone agree with me that the sort of player who would choose clubs like Swansea or Southampton is not the sort of player we want at Liverpool?
Ikke
So you wouldn't want Michu or Ramirez then?
Alan Partridge
So you don't want Joe Allen? Perhaps you won't have preferred Michu either!
Not saying he is but Michu could be a 1 season wonder and Ramirez hasn't exactly set the world a light ....
BigD
Sorry, I meant to say 'the sort of player who would choose Swansea or Southampton over Liverpool'.
Ikke
Allen will come good, and will end up sounder business than Gaston 'one pace' Ramereiz
redphil
23 Jan 2013 14:39:22
Hi eds!
Just wondering about Pacheco. Every window, people seem to expect him to leave but he never does, and you would expect more than a few clubs to be interested. When you watch the reserves, he is one of the best, if not THE best, in the team and I find it strange that he hasn't been given a chance like some of the other kids. It has been a good few years since Benitez gave him a chance but it all went quiet under Dalglish and Rodgers. Do you know if the club rate him or would rather he left?
Thanks! Boss site by the way!! {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any movement for him in January.}
I think he is a good player, as you say he is the best in the reserves by far, he needs to be playing in the 1st team to see if he can make the step up.
BigD
23 Jan 2013 14:34:02
not really liverpool related but I signed up to that lynx apollo as god knows I need a holiday away from the family. so please could I put this link up so I could get more votes please, I would be so grateful if you could all vote for me please.
huddz red
http://tinyurl.com/bbjhmwr
Cheers eds.
huddz red
Why 2 disagrees, dosnt the link work or have I gave the wrong one?
huddz red
23 Jan 2013 14:24:58
Rip to JIMMY PAYNE thoughts and prayers are with the family YNWA JON96
23 Jan 2013 14:18:02
Hi eds and reds.
im at an odds as to why so many people seem to want pepe gone
the man has been nothing short of a hero. his defence is doggie at best ant yet he always gets the blame. I ask you all thiscan we afford better
napoleon
That's a bit ruff,,,,,,
23 Jan 2013 14:12:45
I wish our fans would wake up and start seeing some sense.
We haven't won the Premier League, ever. We don't have mega rich owners. We don't have the stadium infrastructure in place to allow us to fully compete financially. We do have some quality players. They will be coveted by clubs in a better league and CL position.
Depending on the player, they may see their careers having a greater legacy if they leave. We will sell them at the right price to enable the squad to be built and the player themselves not becoming disgruntled.
It is all basic common sense but I see postings about the media trying to force sales or people disbelieving that Suarez may just be wanted by the top sides. Get behind the manager, support the players we do have and worry about those we don't when we play against them. Torres leaving wasn't the disaster we all expected. If summer sees a multitude of clubs in for Suarez, that won't be either.
Possibly, just maybe, he may stay anyway and believe in what BR is doing.
That said, when do Cavani and Falcao arrive as replacements Eds?
Paulo
23 Jan 2013 14:30:05
excellent post, ....mate...fully agree..
BUt one doubt...when we know we don't have mega rich owners..and the onwers were willing to invest some money..
How and why did we blew it in first time?
caroll, adam, henderson, downing..allen..combined about 100 mill..
thats a great budget for any club..
This was our mistake..and we are paying it off..
It took 20 odd years to reach to a plce where we had anew owners and ready to invest...
Now they won't invest more..after watching their money in Atlantic ocean.
I think we blew our chance to get things moving when we first started spending. I still think Hendo will come good given time and possible Allen. As far as Caroll, it was simply the Torres money causing a panic. In theory, we got Caroll and Suarez out of the Torres and Babel money. I think we did OK. Downing is my only dislike of the business we've done and to be fair to him, he tries. He's very trying.
Paulo
I don't think even Falcao or Cavani could replace him? That's the problem we face if we lose him.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - That's a stroke of luck then.}
23 Jan 2013 14:10:29
Ian Ayre travelling to Italy has nothing to do with Coutinho, Sky are filming the new series of 'An person Abroad'
23 Jan 2013 14:07:11
Hi eds,
On the Coutinho situation do you think he will be a Lfc player by the end of the window or A Southampton player.
GAM# {Ed002's Note - We'll see.}
23 Jan 2013 14:02:59
what about a cheeky bid for fabio man united think they would let him go aswell an think he, d want to come ?
lee73
Best post all day unless you weren't joking.
Perth Red
23 Jan 2013 13:56:50
No transfer rumour or anything but I want to open a small debate.
Gerrard....Playing very well at present and likely has a good couple of seasons left in him. Is he the type of player that we are looking at replacing when the time comes or is there a potential ready made replacement already there to step into his boots?
I'm quite a big fan of Shelvey and think he has a lot in his locker that reminds me of Gerrard when he first started getting games.
My question is whether people agree that Shelvey COULD be good enough or who in the opinion whould be if not? Someone else already there? Or a big signing?
Just a question I've been asking a lot of people lately.
Shelvey is a gifted player, but I remain unconvinced if he has enough potential to reach the same level as the G. Let us hope so.
Truth be told, I've always held high hopes for Jordan Henderson, I think that with a little more physical strength and a better coaching in the "killer pass" area, he can be a potential alternative o FSG Steven. He has a wide range of abilities, and it is up to him to develop them properly - I have high hopes for the lad.
Drigan
I suppose the answer is that none of us know how Shelvey will develop, he is certainly a quick learner, ideal Rodgers material in my view .
Personally, I don't think we will ever replace Gerrard, we will just have to do it differently .
Right lets get this straight, stevie g is a once a generation player, shelvey is a good player already with potential to be a great player. he just seems to be trying too hard tho at the moment, he also lacks that burst of acceleration that gerrard has or used to have. so no he won't replace gerrard, I don't think anyone can or will for a long time but what we have now and for the future is not bad either so good times.
huddz red
Yeah, Henderson is certainly improving and isn't going unnoticed. Let's hope we get it right as Gerrard is a massive gap to fill so someone needs to be not only technically very good but also very headstrong to deal with the expectation that comes with it.
Henderson is a far suitable player than Shelvey to assume Gerrard's position on the field. Yes, we will never replace Gerrard but somebody will have to play his position when he's gone !! Shelvey is like a developing No. 10 while Henderson is a box to box midfielder who can also spray the penalty box with accurate passes. Shelvey's defensive ability is a weakness (frequent mistimed tackles), and Henderson's physical abilities are far more imposing. ra1969
I seem to recall Gerrard stating (after Shelvey had signed for us) that he thought Shelvey was a future England captain in the making...
Lets also not forget that the lad is only twenty years of age, has already played over 40 games for the first team and been capped by England, which by my books is a decent start to anyone's career.
I like his workrate, attitude and his engine. He is a true box to box midfielder and maybe yes, he tries too hard at times but hey, that's not a bad criticism if he is a listener and BR can coach a little more subtelty out of him.
Good young player, likes to get involved... I like him and think he has stacks of potential. Just my ten penneth for what its worth
MikeInUSA
Gerrard had the energy but he also had the technique and composure, shelvey doesn't but if he adds to his game then he can certainly be in contention. He does seem to find goal scoring oppertunities.
derryred
Shelvey has a massive problem for any player aspiring to be top class? He's one paced! Unfortunately:
. I like the lad and hope he keeps improving.
Example: Lampard is one paced and always has been but he has a great shot and gets in the box and scores goals.
So you can still be a great player if you have something else to your game but not top class.
Shelvey should try to improve his shooting technique and model himself after Lampard as he will never be a Gerrard or even remotely close to it.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 13:22:53
alot of people saying suaraz will leave for cl does this mean he will join the likes of ajax they get in cl every year probably not the only reason he will leave is when a team that has a actual chance of winning a league title and the cl what's the point him leaving otherwise sadly the best teams in football atm want him but players like reina that cry about wanting to play in cl that will join a club who have next to no chance of winning it
23 Jan 2013 13:27:45
Realistically where does everyone think we will finish this season. I think 8th at best.
Benny the Ball
Higher than an 8, brucie, higher. ooh- a 6. can't believe these cards tonight.
5th or above
mgz
Would have agreed if you had said 8th at worst.
Mo
Im going for 5th but I really think that 4th is achievable but we must beat Arsenal anything less we won't get 4th.
BigD
Realistically - 5th, though this theory of mine can be disproved in the Arsenal clash.
If we win this one though, we have a shot of reaching my optimistic prognosis of 4th : )
Drigan
We need 3pts from the arsenal and man city game(1 win, 1 lose), then later on we need beat home both everton and tottenham, they are the other contenders this season for 4th
All depends on our games against Arsenal and Spurs. If, somehow, we pulled off two wins then 4th is on the cards as much as anyone else. Can't help but think the teams between us and 3rd are all going to drop more points than us in the run-in now Rodgers football has set in.
Depends on who else is brought in this window. If Coutinho and a backup for Skrtel/Agger is brought in then 4th is achievable (with a little luck here and there). ra1969
Think we will be above Arsenal and Everton at the very least.
kidmillions
I said 5th previously and will stick with that, I really hope we make a fight for 4th though!
Phooey...
23 Jan 2013 12:56:38
Would love to see Coutinho as he is undoubtedly a quality player. However he is similar to Suso who I believe could certainly turn into another David Silva or Mata and whilst having two players of that quality would be lovely shouldn't the money be saved for a position that really needs filling such as GK what with Reina's inevitable departure in the summer. Anyone else agree or disagree, feedback would be great
We need strength in depth so to me having 2 quality players in each position makes sense. For the 1st time in ages I'm actually excited with our bench as we now have players we can introduce to influence/change games!
If Pepe was to leave I'm sure we could get a decent figure that we can use to replace the vacant position he would leave
CoolhandLFC
Maybe there is enough money to fill both?
R
I can see what you're saying but I don't think the money needs to be saved for a goalkeeper as we will receive some money from the sale of Reina if we decide to sell therefore that money can be reinvested in a new keeper.
Red Bish
Whilst suso looks a real talent I don't think he'll be ready for another 3-4 years to start in our team. He still has quite a way to becoming the finished article.
Coutinho on the other hand could slot right into our team and we're crying out for a talented CAM.
Brad Jones is a good enough keeper to last us until summer when we can look into buying a new one.
3 to 4 years - you are joking of course, he is nearly there now - more games, more experience - that's what he needs.
If we have to wait that long for a talent like him to be ready, then we are doing something seriously wrong at the club.
Far better player than Ince, and for some strange reason we are thinking of buying Ince for a ridiculous price.
John B
Brad Jones should take over if Reina does leave. We're not desperate for a replacement. The position we need to strengthen is holding midfield in the event of Lucas absence
He isn't similar to suso.
derryred
Will people please stop suggesting replacing Brad Jones with Pepe Reina.
Honestly, did anyone see Jones against Mansfield or how about the second goal for the toffee's in the 2-2?
Jones is a good number 2 end of.
Reina is a great number 1 end of.
If we got another potentially number 1 keeper then I am sure Reina will pull his finger out of his Paella!
He Looks overweight to me.
jonnybarnes89-90
23 Jan 2013 12:54:24
Ed..great site..and please have a view on this...
In an interview in 2010, former manager Gerard Houllier explained "I saw him [Ronaldo] in the Toulon Under-21 tournament and we went for him, but we had a wage scale and we weren't paying the sort of salary he wanted."
Houllier turned down the Sporting teenager in order not to break the wage structure and unsettle the dressing room. Some reports claim Sporting were asking just £3m for the player - who joined United for £12m shortly after.
Rafa Benitez wanted Alves and his club, Sevilla, agreed to sell to Liverpool. But chief executive Rick Parry refused to meet their £8m asking price. 2 years later Alves joined Barcelona for £23m and became the most coveted attacking full-back in world football.
Was this true??
YNWA
The most coveted full back - Alves? Hh
What about Philip Lahm?
Except for Ashley Cole!
He said coveted ATTACKING full-back in world football. No one is a better attacking full back than Alves. Learn to read - especially not Ashley Cole.
BthekingB
Re Ronaldo, we did indeed lose out to the Mancs
23 Jan 2013 14:42:28
Lot of them. Rafa wanted Falco when his price is 4M and also wanted D.Silva for less price. If we buyed those 4 history would have changed a lot.
st
ynwa
Rafa with money would have won the League, I have absolutely no doubt. He has a better eye for talent than people give him credit for. As for Ronaldo, though, despite all the success I would never have wanted to see him play for Liverpool.
If Ronaldo played for us we'd have loved him - We all love suarez but I can understand why opposition fans can't stand him.
GM
23 Jan 2013 12:50:02
Coutinho. If we bid what Southampton are allegedly bidding then fans will say we paid over the odds for the player. If we don, t match Southamptons bid the the club have no ambition and have lost yet another player. Either way the Club is in the wrong and FSG and Ian Ayre are not fit for purpose. No matter what happens the "fans" will all be flooding these pages blaming the owners and manager etc. it's a no win situation for them. Shall we pay over the odds or shall we pay what he is worth according to the manager. I don, t look forward to reading endless posts regarding the ineptitude of our club.
Robbie
I reckon we should risk the whole future of the club on the 3:15 at newmarket!
I can feel it in my water. The horse is called Ken Aguero!!
jonnybarnes89-90
23 Jan 2013 12:32:37
If inter are willing to sell coutinho given their financial position then I think we should go ahead and meet the 10m asking price they've set.
This lad is quality and will be huge in the future. Those of you trying to compare this guy to our current youngsters are kidding themselves. Suso does show some promise but coutinho is leagues ahead of them all.
He'll be worth 20 million in a few seasons; don't let another transfer opportunity slip through our fingers.
23 Jan 2013 12:57:01
are you dreaming dude..
jordan henderson from the same league was exceptional for sunderland...20 mil....
countinho comes from seria A...
a league from wer dossena and aqulaini came...
I don't think jordan henderson has ever been 'exceptional'. 3 goals and 3 assists in 37 games for sunderland
is extremely average.
23 Jan 2013 14:34:56
the word Execptional was not mine mate...
There are some people here who brings the stats...
best paser...second best converter..3rd best tackler..4th best starter...
He is, was and will be just 10 mill..no matter how many years he have with him..
You can't improve certain quality..either you are born with it..or not...
Xavi, Messi, Iniesta..ronaldo..all were world starts from day 1..
I don't see any proof that Coutinho is any better than Suso, at all.
23 Jan 2013 12:10:30
Why are we still trying for a player who is saying he wants to fight for his place at inter?
Standard practise. If a players says he wants to leave he may lose out on a pay off from his previous club.
Also, saying he wants to leave usually causes fan hostility and what happens then if it all falls through.........
Wavertree Red
The lad is probably just hedging his bets in case he doesn't move, nothing wrong with that.
huddz red
Off course he would say he want to stay didn't torres say he wanted to stay.
rb
Isn't it a case of if you want to move or express a desire to leave then you miss out upon a larger cut of the fee?
23 Jan 2013 11:52:09
YOU WON'T LIKE READING THIS .....
The appointment of Pep Guardiola to Bayern Munich and the frequent references to Jurgen Klopp - and how he could be invited to work in the PL - are amusing in light of the reaction of UK based football fans.
We always assume the PL is the most exciting, or most enjoyable, or most impressive, most demanding or most desired ............. and nothing else in Europe really matters. Truth is, the Bundesliga is a fabulous league with exciting derby matches, monster crowds and a financial constraint that would shame even a HMRC inspector!
With this in mind we can easily be fooled into thinking everyone wants to come to the UK and play in the PL. "How could Jurgen Klopp not want to be manager of a huge club like Chelsea?" they ask. In his case it's about crowds of 82,000+ and a standard of living in the Ruhr that would be hard to replicate in the UK (even despite the Abramovich millions ............ talking standards not what you can buy btw) so why would he come?
So to die Bayern and Suarez. Oh I know what you're thinking and your fingers are already on the reply buttons. But why wouldn't Suarez be open (and FSG) to a €50 million transfer to a club the equal of Liverpool FC in Europe. Bayern is a 'monster' club with a history that mirrors Liverpool's and is a real draw for German players. It's a league that is not to be dismissed as a second rate one like in Portugal or Belgium.
Guardiola may or may not be interested in LS - depending on your media news source - but we risk losing Suarez unless we finish in a European place. Maybe this is the real test of Brendan Rodger's management in holding onto the stars. This is an important period for the club with Gerrard and Carragher getting towards the end of their careers and some high profile players (Suarez, Reina, Agger, Sterling) still on other people's radars.
I'll join in (for once) the endless speculation and say LS will leave in the summer for probably PSG, Barcelona or Bayern. Strangely I feel we can cope with such a loss as we've not been able to do so for a while, but it would still be a blow. We are progressing but not fast enough in the eyes of some star players, both in and out of the club, to justify "just another season with us." Look at Ince - if we are still the big club in his eyes how come he hasn't pushed for the move that appears to have stalled? Is the draw us as a club or the promise of another £4,000 per week even if it is at Swansea or Wigan?
Rather than giggle and snigger at the Bundesliga and bang endlessly on about The Greed is Good League, maybe we should be asking just what it is that attracts top players AWAY from Liverpool and into other leagues .....
7ER
You assume too much, Suarez has fallen in love with our Club and his personality (he's a fighter) is such that I think he has every intention of staying and will eventually play in the Champions League with Liverpool get crowned player of the year and end up the league's leading scorer.
And quite a few journ'os and you know who (big red nose, funny hat) down the road will choke!! with their verbals rammed down their throats."Suarez knows he has the talent to do it"
kidmillions
At the end of the day if Suarez leaves it will only be beacause we don't get champions league (although I think he will stay and give us until end of next season if we don't). It's not because of the league that he'll be leaving he'll go somewhere with champions league.
You can't say if he went to Bayern or Juventus it's because the bundasliga or serie a is bigger then the premier league it's because of champions league.
What I'm trying to say is he wouldn't go to a German team without champions league because of the bundasliga. If he leaves it will be for champions league.
Perth Red
The answer is simple, champions league.
huddz red
Well kidmillions on one hand you say "Suarez has fallen in love with our Club" and then you say "I think he has every intention of staying." Bit too much like the players who kiss the badge on a Monday and off elsewhere on a Tuesday!
Money talks as does the lure of the CL and we don't seem to be near that one this year or next.
To challenge for tittles?? To play in the champions league?? More Money?? Not warm the bench???
Les
I have to say I am worried about Suarez's future with us. I do believe however he does love the club and the city, but how long can he play without Champions League football when he is clearly ready and capable for it? People in my college course believe he'll go to Bayern (granted, they're all United fans) due to Guardiola's style of play and Suarez's agent being Brothers or something(?).
I hope Suarez stays with us because I think he's class, but we really need Champions League football, we really do. Perhaps a strong Europa League this year and then a strong push for UCL next Season may have him stay, but I hope he doesn't go.
Thanks, Ell.
7ER - not 100% sure what objective of this post is. A lot that could be commented on and no issue with content as such. I am wondering which players have been attracted AWAY from Liverpool to other leagues?
We have lost some to Spain, but that is no real surprise, and I assume we are talking about losing players that the club do not want to lose, which rules out some of those who have gone anyway.
Budesliga is a two horse race, won 15 times sonce 92-93 by Munich or Dortmund. Similar then to Spain and, dare I say, the Premier league.
Playing for BM comes with guaranteed Chamions League football, more or less.
But how many players have left the Premier League for Germany?
Conversely, very few German players have ever left for the Premier League, in comparison to how many other nationalities there are!
German and English/British footballers share one thing, the majority stay in their 'home' league. Yes some always do/will leave, but a fraction in comparison to players of other nationalities who leave their leagues.
You could argue, of course, that therefore a policy of having English players is best, as they are much less likely to leave for foreign leagues! But that is a whole different can of worms!
"7ER - not 100% sure what objective of this post is."
To read!
"Conversely, very few German players have ever left for the Premier League, in comparison to how many other nationalities there are!"
You don't know what you're replying to!
LOTS of German players have left for the PL - Hamman, Rosler and so on ....
Have to agree with the OP, the Premier League is not the footballing paragon and the UK is not the greatest place to live in western Europe. I can understand if foreign-born footballers have no interest in the Premier League other than for the pay. And as for people saying here that Suarez has "fallen in love with the club", don't kid yourselves.
Let's not kid ourselves. If Suarez leaves it won't be "just for Champion's League". Any move will come with a hefty pay rise of at least 50% (given today's average wages for world class strikers moving into their prime years). Without that, the arguments for moving are less convincing. ra1969
23 Jan 2013 11:50:55
i am not a liverpool fan but the club has contacted me over the availabilty off my son who is 5 hope they dab in so southhampton don't steam in
23 Jan 2013 11:48:33
I can't remember which eds, but one of them said in summer that he likes Michael lundrup as lfc manager. Say we had lundrup as manager givin the team we had and the £40 mill that be Rogers have spend, do you think we will be better than where we are?? I think we would have been top 3 after Man U, man c
23 Jan 2013 11:44:45
Saurez has just signed a new contract hasn't he? why would he leave now? He hasn't hinted that he wants out so forget it people. He knows how much the club has backed him over the last year or so and I can't see him leaving.
In monetary terms, he is coming into his prime so I would think at least 70 mill if he did go - the 40 million being banded around by the media is ridiculous. If Torres was worth 60 then Saurez is surely worth more?
But then again - why on earth would we sell?
Forget that one.
If someone come up with 100 mill and a couple of players I'd still say no.
We are not a selling club.
Gazman
23 Jan 2013 12:50:24
gazman totally agree with this post mate I was watching soccer saturday a few weeks back and paul merson was going on about suarez an van persie being head an shoulders above the rest in the premiership.(which I think is spot on good old merson) but then he says somethink along these lines.Suarez is defo someone the top teams would take barca'real madrid if they have a spare 30million then its well worth a bid haahaha so lets compare what gazman was saying 60-70 million for suarez who is in my IMO better than torres or merson saying 30million.well lets see paul if van persie who had one injury free season at arsenal in the last year of his contract.Is 29years of age yet is worth 24million pounds then what your saying is suarez with 5yrs contract is 26 yrs old has been on fire all season.what your saying paul is liverpool should except a pathetic bid of 30million ha funny s**t gazman is spot on
Django
23 Jan 2013 11:31:55
Not sure if it's positive or negative but very suddenly today there has been an information lock down at inter. Normally information is easy to come by for both Milan clubs but today I'm being told that everybody is being kept in the dark except for a few people very high up.
Nevada
I'm being told that everybody is being kept in the dark except for a few people very high up
That's the advantage of living in a lighthouse when there is a power cut.
23 Jan 2013 11:09:49
I tell you what, that Gaston Ramires and Philippe Coutinho will be some threat from midfield for Southampton. Especially with a solid defensive CB behind them in the form of Vegard Forren. They will soon be on par with Swansea who have improved significantly under Michael Laudrup.
Disney ;)
23 Jan 2013 11:29:56
You're right they would be good......and?
MR EM
Haha. It's a pity they never signed Sneijder and Torres as well, saved us all a lot of trouble on here !
The Juicer
Ramirez has done nothing for Southampton! He's warmed the injury table more than the field
The Cobra
As with everything that is written by Disney.. its all Mickey Mouse.
Ramirez was injured briefly and has been playing well of late, looking the £12m player they thought they signed.
ChrisMiz
23 Jan 2013 11:00:57
am not going to insult your intelligence with made up rumours or stating the obvious with coutinho, but what I have heard is that there will be a signing today
23 Jan 2013 10:57:31
Brad Jones yet to be on Losing side in this Season's PL Matches... Which suggest that Defenders have more trust on him than Pepe, as one of the EDs say
Indian Red
I would have Jones over Reina anyday. I still think Reina can rediscover his world class form, but it seems he has fallen out of love with our club. If he does move on, i'm sure he will do well. Jones imo is definitely not a substandard keeper as so many posters claim.
Indian Buzzer
Or do they have less trust in him so they do all they can to defend better?
BthekingB
23 Jan 2013 10:56:39
I can't believe we only have a week to go and I haven't heard mention of a bid for Andriy Voronin!
PRed
I heard we were going to put a bid in for Andriy Voronin.
Crowman.
23 Jan 2013 10:11:12
Eds if Reina moves in the summer will he be takin Sparky with him?
Red Raw {Ed002's Note - They will be doing some more planning of their summer adventure later this week. But all three are planning on going: Pepe, Sparky and JonJonJo.}
JonJonjo would have to be known as JuanJuanJose in Spain ed002 !
Haha.
The Juicer {Ed002's Note -
23 Jan 2013 09:56:02
If I was in charge of top club.. I would have a woman help convince players to join.. {Ed002's Note - Like Chelsea do?}
What? like offering extra's you mean?
jaycee {Ed002's Note - No, I mean for negotiations with players, agents and clubs.}
If I was to get injured at any club, it would be Chelsea...!
Myk
Exactly HOW would the Woman convince these platers to join?A covert Honeytrap? If Karen Brady lid have to turn it down, Mansfield co owner(female one!) And I could be persauded {Ed002's Note - It has worked fine for Chelsea having a woman doing some of the liaison and negotiation.}
Eva Carneiro could persuade any player to join chelsea! Allbeit, her being the physio.
23 Jan 2013 09:44:54
So, Reina's time at Liverpool is up, his last game for the club a 1-2 defeat at Old Trafford .
It used to be the case that goalkeepers really hit top form once they turned 30, many of the top keepers played until almost 40 .
For Pepe it has been the other way around, clearly unhappy, confidence shot to pieces, often not even attempting to make routine saves as the ball flies past him .
Good luck Pepe, thanks for your efforts, see you back as an opposition player one day, hopefully in the Champion's League .
23 Jan 2013 09:34:16
Hendo's clearly our best player. He's streets ahead of the rest of the team on the keepy up challenge!
Some people on here need to go buy a sense of humour in the January sales.
23 Jan 2013 08:55:14
With Reina seemingly on his way back to Spain either now or in the summer who would you like as Liverpool No.1
Mine would be an easy choice I would go for Marc Ter Stegan of Borussia Monchengladbach, he is the closest thing I have seen to Reina in terms of style, commands the back line well and distributes the ball quick to set up counter attacks.
BigD {Ed002's Note - Wasn't this done last week?}
Ed002 who would you go for then ?
BigD {Ed002's Note - If you want one to watch for the future, try Eintracht Frankfurt's Kevin Trapp. Someone who is very knowledgeable in the subject also mentions Fortuna Dusseldorf's Fabian Giefer as being a goalkeeper who we could hear much of in the future.}
Kevin Trapp is a decent player currently, much better at collecting crosses etc than ter Stegen who is (in my opinion) too small and weak (De Gea) for the premier league.
Ben Rose
How about Mattia Perin of Genoa? (on loan at Pescara). Looks to have great potential.
maka
I mentioned Kevin Trapp some weeks ago, anyone who watches the Bundesliga will tell you he features quite reguarly. Saves an awful lot of one on ones and is a really good all round for a young keeper. (He looks the part physically, which is always a help for a goalie) Germany seem to have a lot of young talented players coming through, for quite a while now.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 08:33:57
We won't sign anymore players this window. Seems hopeless..
Please consider changing your medication .......
Is it just me or is anyone else even bothered if we sign anyone else, We have got a good squad of 18 now and were covered in most positions by at least 2 players. See were we finish this season and then see in the summer the type of players we can go for then. Just my opinion.
SB96
23 Jan 2013 07:19:45
Hi Eds when does the Transfer window close? Any do we expect any surprise signing by Liverpool? Thanks in advance
Red Wagh Bakri {Ed002's Note - January 31.}
23 Jan 2013 07:17:38
ed...
we bought allen from swanse for almost 18 mill..
what did we gained and swansea lost?
absolute nothing...they were sitting at 10th and so do now...we were sitting at 9th and 7th now..
noting changed really...
we screwed 18 mill...simple...
YNWA
Apart from 2 places which put us closer to 4th
RedSpud
Do you realise the contradiction of posting that then putting
"YNWA" at the end
Lyndon
Worst. post. of. the. day!
23 Jan 2013 09:24:44
yes..i do agree its my worst post of the day..
but common...he isn't worth 8 mill..how did we pumped 15 mill??
I agree, and becouse of Allen 18 millions sigt, and amount of game he had played, its costing us top 4, we needed a striker, finisher, goal scorer, one in our list was jovetic from fiorentina, I stil don't understand, how on earth we are going to miss on a player like jovetic 4 Allen, when we had 1 of the best midfield on Lucas, Gerard, hendo, aquaman, and etc. We sow last season our main problem wasent the midfield was finishing problem, and wot happen instead of solving that issue, goes on unnecessary player, hopefully we got sturridge, and this its how a huge difference its making in goal scoring issue, so imagine if we had a finisher instead of Allen bak on aogust were Wye we b.
23 Jan 2013 11:25:25
How Ironic...6 months back BR signed Allen to be the Xavi in our team...the man whi links the midifeld to the attack...and score some goals...
Now he is after Countinho...for the exact same position...
Means altogether 25 mill for one position...
BR sometimes makes us laugh...
Isnt that called stuppidity?
and people moaning we don't have funds...
ask newcastel, sudnerland, aston villa and swansea...how much fund we had...
Lyndons the new self professed greatest fan on here taking reigns from Cozinoz, Mikey, Dutch Mal and many bores who've gone before.Like them lot, he probably goes rarely or inconsistently.His type of give and not take appeared and gone before him.Or at least now moderate their know all aggressive tone
Agree or disagree? Would sooner have Lyndon than no-name posters.
kidmillions
I in way think I am the "greatest" fan at all.
I just don't think it's ok or warranted to slag and abuse players
If it makes you a better fan to do so I'll opt out thanks
But just don't put YNWA at the end of you post when your doing exactly that to a player of Liverpool f2f
You M#r#n
Lyndon "not in any way the greatest fan""
The poster above Kid Million!
No!!!! Still don't get it read it several times
I think youve got All the right words but not necessarily in the right order.
Lyndon
23 Jan 2013 06:36:59
Hi fellow Reds,
Over the last few days I've seen people saying things like 'so who do you think will be the replacement for Suarez'. But I don't believe he will leave us even if we don't get champions league.
He would have known that champions league would be hard to get this season, especially with a new manager with new ideas coming in, yet he still signed a new contract. If he wanted to leave because of no champions league this summer he wouldn't have signed a new deal and would have probably left last summer.
The only thing that worries me is he might have insisted upon a release clause for this summer in case of no champions league next season with liverpool. But I generally believe he loves Liverpool as a city and a club, and I think he knows the criticism only comes because he is good.
I think he will give us another season if we don't get champions league this season (although I believe we can get it). Everyone knows he belongs in the champions league and I believe Liverpool can give him it.
Love to hear thought. Thanks
Perth Red
Love this post!!
23 Jan 2013 09:26:12
would love to see Suarez with us whole life..
BUt lets be honest...he needs to be gone...
he is quality...simple..
dont think he is going to continue with us..
Lets hope for the best
23 Jan 2013 04:14:32
Eds, I know your take on the Coutinho rumour, just posting something I've just read on 's twitter. Was posted on the 21st.
"Liverpool and Coutinho are hopeful it will happen.The player is very excited about move! Fee close to be agreed but not yet. Hope it happens"
Take it as you will, just passing on what I've read. He also posted that Coutinho told Sky Italia he wanted to stay and fight for his place, while he also told a Liverpool player (you'd guess Lucas) that he wanted to join.
23 Jan 2013 01:45:56
Is it just me or does anyone else think that we always pay the full asking price for players. We seem to always bid low, drag it out and finally pay full asking. Why don't we just pay full price for who we want then we'd get them quicker and into the team.I know they are trying to get a bargain but the right player is more value than a cheap player.Also it drives me mad sometimes when clubs don't pay good money for players with only 6 - 12 months left on there contracts. If it's the right player then we would pay the money for them just because that player has hardly any contract left all of a sudden he becomes less value for money.not moaning about our team or signings just wish we'd be more decisive with dealings.sorry for rant but just had to get that of my chest
Not true. We sometimes pay more.
Because we'd end up paying more if we started at a higher bid. duh! you have to play the game, that's just the way it is.
So what your really saying is we need a better negotiator? How about we bring back Damien Comolli "Start the bidding high and then go, even higher!!"
kidmillions
Kid millions, your post really made me laugh
Nevada
We start off bidding low and then miss out :-)
23 Jan 2013 01:42:44
If suarez does leave for 40m who do you think Liverpool will go for to replace him.
Maybe not now but maybe in summer if no CL football.
At Lfc he gets 90mins scores goals has a new CF to help him score more fans love him and has support outside of football so I feel his happy.
He will earn more and win more elsewere! So he will leave, get used to it we are now a stepping stone to big clubs.
Stepping stone ?? Really
Mike S
I know eds may disagree with me but I don't think he will be going anywhere. Juve were very keen in the summer but didn't pursue it because they didn't feel Suarez could be persuaded to leave at the time.
Nevada
Suarez could leave for a bigger club but there are no better clubs than LFC.
There's every chance that Louis has fallen in love with our club. He wouldn't be the first or the last great player to do so.
kidmillions
Torres found that out Kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 00:58:56
Clubs often take a bit of a gamble on uproven talent with potential. Melbourne Victory's Marco Rojas I believe should fall into this category. He has skill, vision and finishing. Not the biggest of attackers obviously, but neither is Messi (no, not comparing). His contract runs out at the end of the season and I think there will be a host of teams lining up. A League players don't cost what Europeans or Sth Americans do and surely a small club like Melbourne (relatively) couldn't pass up a mil or two? Worth the gamble I think. In fact, I'd take him over Ince any day, at a fraction of the cost.
How can you compare? It's like saying the best player in the Lithuanian league will make it in the PL. There's a reason why the likes of Emile Heskey and Brett Emerton stand out in the A-league yet were way past their best when they left UK football.
The same goes, I'm afraid, for Robbie Fowler - released by Liverpool, then Cardiff, then Blackburn....and then ended up as Player of the Year and Golden Boot winner in Australia.
I'm not saying Rojas won't go on to be a star but at the moment he's had one decent season scoring a few spectacular goals in the equivalent of English League 2.
cozinoz
Haven't seen the lad play but seen his name on here a few times in the last week or so. I would be interested to know where this started.
Len
ps. Is he a contender?
Sorry Cozinoz, Robbie Fowler was neither player of the year or golden boot winner in the A league.
BrisbaneLFC
Or even close to Player of the Year/Golden Boot winner.
Fictitious Lies.
Ben Rose
23 Jan 2013 11:06:57
Also, Emerton has been terrible
My apologies - he was Brisbane Roar's Player of the year and Brisbane Roar's top scorer - my error. But my argument stands that the league is poor in comparison to the PL. This doesn't mean Rojas won't make it as a top player but he is IMO nowhere near comparisons with Ince just yet.
cozinoz
Does he compare HK? :)
kidmillions
23 Jan 2013 00:55:20
Just asking, if Coutinho deal falls through, will it be down to fee or Ayres ineptitude? Just putting out there for debate
It's a bold move. Just let them have a go at it.
Have you by any chance got a dog you can kick!
Instead of the Ian Ayres old chestnut!
Or do we have to wait until next time we get beat then you can start on the players again
Lyndon
Oh hi Lyndon are you choking on that sand your still buried in?
Lyndon got revised map of Anfield for you as you don't actually go
Why would I need a revised map have they some how moved it!!
Before you try to be funny go have a sit down think about it fir five minutes. Even talk to mummy!!
Then forget about it
You know its for the best
Lyndon
23 Jan 2013 00:44:43
hope its just paper talk but rumours bayern looking at Suarez for £40 million,
23 Jan 2013 00:08:33
why does everyone want so many players in the winter transfer window? and yea I fully understand adding strength and depth to certain positions, but can it not be a little disruptive specially when we are looking for more consistency rite now. I think having danny up front has opened up a bigger fight for deeper posotions, seen as suarez needs to be on the team sheet every week!
Oh and don't forget inflated prices!! need I remind you of a certain £35 mil striker.
My last point, going on our rese games I am not sure Ince is good enough for prem. All ways thought Toni was better myself. But if i'm wrong I will be the first to admit it!
billynwa
23 Jan 2013 00:02:49
Hi everyone just been watchin rafa benitez on tv an was wondering why do the chelsea fans really boo him ? Why did they not boo torres from the start just makes me think they both came from liverpool what really is the diffrence.sorry if this has been brought up by another poster but would like your thoughts please ed an everyone on this site thanks
Django
Why do they not boo Roman and ask for him to leave.
Raffa told it how he felt about chelsea when he was our man sadly torres did not
Rafa insulted Chelsea.
Torres was a 50m player and they thought he was the player of 2009.
Rafa is a terrible manager.
Roman Abramovich has plunged millions, even billions, into Chelsea, won Premier Leagues, FA Cups, League cups and the Champions League. He took them from a Top 6 side to a title and european superpower, which is why he isn't booed.
Ben Rose