Liverpool Banter Archive July 23 2013

23 Jul 2013 23:46:22
Well, it's getting down to the nitty gritty at last anyway.
Put it this way, if FSG sell Suarez to Arsenal, then that's them finished with Liverpool fans.
And if Suarez goes to Arsenal, then he's not worth bothering about either.
So we'll see what unfolds over the next couple of weeks.

The Juicer

What's it got to do with FSG that Suarez (allegedly) wants to make a controversial and frankly pointless change/transfer in his career by joining a team that more often than not go out the group stage of the champions league and haven't won ANYTHING for nearly 9 years?

Let him go. He's a genius on the field but not worth the damage to club, and then there's the uncertain impact on other players after this summer, and the uncertainty of what he's going to get in the news for next. No let him go for big money, then watch as he disrupts another club, despite the odd match-winning performance.
Hop

24 Jul 2013 01:03:34
I remember Heinze wanted to come to us and even made it public but red nose didn't even blink an eye and forced him to madrid, so FSG/LFC can do a lot of things if they want, after all Suarez is LIVERPOOL player, your talking if united come for our players and if they want to go their then we should let them, we are not stepping stone for players, for God`s sake we are Liverpool FC, we need to be strong now because players are using us as stepping stone.

If FSG can sell Suarez to Arsenal for 45m I will applaud them. They will have played and excellent innings, to get that much for a wantaway player who is nothing but trouble.

23 Jul 2013 23:28:52
I hope and pray that Arsenal come up with £50M+ and we sell Mr Suarez to them to end this stupid and annoying period of speculation.
As good as he is, I tell you he is not worthy to wear the shirt. For months I supported and defended him, blinding myself to the fact that this man has no principles, none whatsoever!
Liverpool fans, unlike many fans of other clubs, have always displayed a great degree of pride and appreciation when it came to great players, in Liverpool colours or in teams opposing us, and I know a huge majority if not all of us, will cheer the day Suarez (I edited the Mr) leaves our beloved and proud club. Sell and buy replacements that befit this club. Hasn't he dragged the Liverpool name into mud? His racism row, his handshake row and his rediculous biting incident. I mean what is next. I give up!
It's always sad to see a good player leave our club, but believe me, fellow fans, we would be better off without him, hopefully £50M+, with which we can get two very good players.
Now Arsenal want to play ball, come on Mr Rodgers, play hardball and get what Livepool FC deserve after all the support we have given this excuse for a man.

YNWA

If we sell Luis to Arsenal we are gifting them a top 4 spot next year.

I sympathise with those who want Luis out after his behaviour last year and the lack of respect he has shown the club and all of us who supported him throughout.

However if we have real ambitions of a top 4 spot this year we cannot sell to Arsenal or Spurs

IranRed, i'm going to have to disagree with your summation of Liverpool fans, pride and appreciation of anything, we used to have the best fans in the world but a little perusal of this forum will show you the kind of fan we have today and its embarrassing and disgusting to say the least.

23 Jul 2013 23:33:13
How Come Suarez isn't involved in the friendly today?! Or is that a stupid question. {Ed052's Note - not fit enough}

He only started training yesterday.

23 Jul 2013 23:28:27
So, if true, I have to say £40M + £1 is perhaps the definition of a 'cheeky bid'.

23 Jul 2013 23:17:35
Arsenal are the only team we are capable of catching in last years top 4. So let's sell them one of the best strikers on the planet and gift them the Champions League place before the seasons started. If Liverpool sanction this move ill join the mass of people giving up on FSG. It's completely ridiculous to even consider it and for no amount of money should we sell Suarez to a premier league rival if we are serious of wanting progress next season. Even with £50m in the bank we won't buy a world class player with it.
I was fine with just buying potential and a few bargain squad player signings like Aspas and Toure but not if we are selling the little bit of world class we have left to teams just above us.
Don't do it Liverpool! There's enough teams out there who don't sell to rivals so why don't we. ie City for one

Typical overwrought rubbish.

Arsenal sold their best player to United. Did they implode? Would they have finished better than fourth keeping RVP.? No and no.

23 Jul 2013 23:20:09
Current PL odds

Chelsea 11/5
Man u & Man City both 23/10
Arsenal 10/1
Spurs 25/1
Liverpool 28/1
Everton - who cares

I reckon those odds are about right. Obviously some of those teams are still looking to add to their teams so prices will change accordingly but one thing is for sure - Suarez going to Arsenal will shorten their odds significantly. The bookies rarely get it wrong.

If he does go the last team I want him to go to is Arsenal (Man U excepted!). If it does happen I can't see us challenging for 4th unless another striker is brought in.

Janman

Hate to say this but my money's on Chelsea this season.

Lee73

23 Jul 2013 23:04:19
Suarez to s]tay had £300 on it at 5/6 :) feeling confident. {Ed019's Note - I wouldn't be}

23 Jul 2013 23:00:24
Espn are reporting Liverpool have agreed an £18 million deal with ajax for erikson and he is about to agree personal terms. Take with a pinch of salt eds? {Ed019's Note - yes}

ESPN normally very reliable so maybe
Hop

23 Jul 2013 22:45:54
if we sell suarez then we could in theory buy eriksen. alonso. and possibly ben arfa. this in my opinion would easily put us back in the top 4. however if fsg were to show how serious they are about getting us back to the top and sign these players anyway I believe suarez could have a change of heart and stay for a genuine assault on the title. just imagine an attacking 3 of coutinho, ben arfa and suarez! they would maul any defence in the league added to that the control in midfield created by a reunion of alonso and gerrard with eriksen the link player between the midfield and attack pulling the strings and creating holes in the defence for suarez and the two inside fowards (coutinho and ben arfa) to exploit. we would kill most teams off in the first 45 mins which could mean sum serious game time for sum of our youngsters. given the right guidence and enough game time I believe we have a few future stars comming through which would mean less spending and more profit for the owners in the not so distant future. I know an outlay of 50 odd million doesn't sound like sumthing fsg would sanction but a bit of speculation now could mean a whole lot of accumulation in the future. soz for the long post but I really feel that now is the time for that final push especially as the so called top 3 are in transision we could steal a march on them. we have the right manager the support and a great style of play now we just need a few quality (realistic) players.

Legohead

23 Jul 2013 22:33:47
Who gives a **** who comes and goes - we are LFC no player is bigger or better than the club and no player is irreplaceable.

As long as we mount a challenge, try to win all our games and win some trophies that's all that matters.

I don't want players at the club who have no commitment to the club.

M

I always disagree with you "M" but out of fairness, I am here simply to say that I agree with your comments wholeheartedly!

Liverpres, It's only because M has changed his attitude and opinion that you agree with him.
Use the search function to read his past posts and you'll see what I mean. God I sound like an Ed now :-D

MUSHROOM

23 Jul 2013 22:29:30
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's info on here but I don't understand why Arsenal would suddenly up their bid to £42M if the alleged clause is for £40M. It just doesn't make sense. They are renowned as tight spenders so why on earth would a club like that bid an additional £12M on their first bid, and why would they pay anything other than £40M if that allows Suarez to talk to them? Food for thought anyhoot, Bryan {Ed052's Note - he doesn't has a release clause of forty million. How may times do we need to explain?}

We can turn down £100m if we wanted. Obviously wouldn't happen but there's no set price that we must sell at.

23 Jul 2013 19:45:06
ian ayre seems to kop a lot of flack on here, just wondering what your opinions of him are edds? I feel he's a very strong compitant ceo to take us forward. what do you think?

pb {Ed052's Note - he has messed a few things up but he loves Liverpool. He has done well enough. Got a few good deals for the club too}

23 Jul 2013 23:11:45
He is just being made scapegoat by fans who are not happy, truth is he is just doing what the owners ask him to do or else he would be sacked ages ago!

Hi Ed's 052 Out of curiosity what do you feel Mr Ayre has done incorrectly? I think he's a buffoon but the job is a learning curve for him and like some of the players he needs time to settle down into his role. He was unlucky as he had a lot to contend with during Kenny's managership, suarezgate, transfer fees wasted etc he has redeemed himself with Standard Chartered he looks cool on his Harley. I thought he was a Rick Parry mark 2 but I think he will come good and make us all eat humble pie! {Ed052's Note - the Dempsey deal stands out. And maybe the Kk signings where we overplayed. He's done exceptionally recently. }

Compared to other CEO's of multi million pound companies in multi billion pound industries I think he's a complete charlatan.

23 Jul 2013 21:58:20
Can I ask what difference it really makes to a Liverpool fan whether Suarez goes for £35m plus add-ons or whether he goes for a straight £40m? What difference does it really make in all honesty? It wouldn't mean BR will have more money to spend. Liverpool will identify a player and will know what they are willing to spend on that player. An extra couple of million for Suarez doesn't mean BR will bid £2m more to get that player. So why does it matter? Genuine question! If it's to do with debt then a couple million doesn't really matter when you are over a £100m in debt. Is it principle? Like I said it's a genuine question.

Disney!

23 Jul 2013 22:14:07
Syd heres a genuine question.
As a united fan why do you polute our page, you spend more time on ours than uniteds.? Genuine question

Well a million is a lot of money and they are trying to reduce debt?

Its about letting a player go on the cheap

Also correct me if I'm wrong Disney but aren't united in a lot more debt than us?

Just à serious question!

LAVERS

I think the idea is to annoy all other bidders until the window closes they can ask for £50million + if they wanted. LFC are in a good position to negotiate. They have been planning to lose him since last season. He is on a long term contract and the face of LFC. I know they don't want to sell a asset to a rival and make them stronger

LFC plan was that Luis suarez will then play for us next season and then go after the world cup. Renia will leave this window.

Clubs are looking to get a bargain by buying him early. Torres went for £50+, I think they should identify a player who can replace him and ask the other club to cover the cost. Like they did with Torres

Money in its self is worthless if no one will come to the club.

Makes no difference to me as long as the add-ons are reasonable (e.g. nothing along the line of 'Suarez must not talk to the press', something which he seems to have issues avoiding) and aren't related to Arsenal's overall performance. Some number of appearances or whatever I couldn't really be bothered about.

The one issue I would have is that if he wants to go to Arsenal, then he absolutely has to put in a transfer request. The owners and BR will get endless grief without out (and lots of it even with one).

23 Jul 2013 22:45:45
Yes Disney it is the principle of it. We have over paid for many players over the last few years, and Suarez, for all his antics being the best player in the EPL, we should get decent money for him and not just roll over for the first team who comes along. We don't have to sell him, when he's playing the team are only better off for having him. People hate him he only plays better, the press give him a hard time and it's annoying but it doesn't make any difference on the pitch. It's about what he's worth to LFC, and to the club he is worth in excess of the money being offered to him so far, why would we sell him for less? We're not selling him as a favour to that club, we're selling him because we'd rather have x amount to spend than have him as a player.

It does mean he has more money to spend and also what are the add ons to gain the extra five they could be arsenal winning the league and that's no given so don't talk about things you don't know about were going to get as much as we can get over us oh sorry it

mayhem 1981

Disney it's not just getting our estimated value from his sale, it's also about the club he joins. Regardless if fans want him to stay or go, we can all agree if he is to go then we deserve to be paid what he's worth. He's still under contract and not given a transfer request. Arsenal is our competition for top four and most believe that a sale to them may make our job harder. That's probably why the sentiment is a preference to sell him overseas and if he has to remain in the EPL, then that team is going to pay max price.

Would you not want the same in this supposed shrek deal to Chelsea? Should chelsea pay under your evaluation for Rooney simply to alleviate your burden or are you hoping you get every penny you can?

I didn't expect a sensible answer if I'm honest.

I still think he will sell for less than £40m.

Disney!

I do believe that is serious genuine question, don't understand why you lot react to Disney the way you did, you just given him more reasons to laugh at you.
Now Disney, for the average mature and of normal intelligence Liverpool fan, it does n't make any difference if its 40m consisting of 35 + add-ons or straight 40m , and yes I am sure any deals for player/s replacing Suarez won't collapse because of the 2/3 million diff in Suarez's price . The club though as a seller, may have a different perspective, and it may matter if its straight or add-ons.
A question back at you though, how do you feel about next season, pre-season not going very well for you, can't remember the last time you lot lost 2 games in a pre - season, do you think you may end up out of the CL places? Is that why Rooney is jumping ship?

Roy

RDL, I can understand Liverpool fans expecting a bigger fee, fans generally overvalue their own players, I can understand the owners wanting as much cash as possible. I can understand fans annoyance at the owners for considering selling to a rival. What I cannot understand is why it matters to Liverpool fans what he sells for. It's irrelevant.

Disney!

The better question, imo, to you Disney is why would the club sell him well below his value? Yes the club want rid but without his problems he'd easily (and I say this honestly) command £55-60m. He's better than both Falcao and Cavani so why sell cheaper than these if he didn't have problems.

Imo his problems bring his value down to £45m and that's a guaranteed £10m more than you suggest accepting so that does make a big difference to the club.

How many chances does a club get to sell players for big money also? Porto are unreal at it, we're not. Our biggest asset so taking a big hit on him doesn't make good business sense. If the big offers don't come in then he'd have a chance to redeem himself somewhat and his value is likely to stay at the £40m mark.

And I agree, Disney, so long as the terms are reasonable ones. Wherever he goes I'd still demand a transfer request though.

RDL

If you're 100m in debt then 2m makes a huge difference.

What planet are you on?
Do you actually live in Disney World?

It's irrelevant what he sells for? Are you kidding me? More money from his sale means more money to spend on other players clearly. That has got to be one of the most clueless statements there is. Would you not want more money if you could get it? Liverpool aren't in a position where they have to sell. So therefore they can demand a higher fee.

23 Jul 2013 21:50:43
Cissokho and Eriksen in. Suarez staying put for another year.

Would be happy with that given what we have already done, the squad looks strong!

23 Jul 2013 21:27:01
Just wondering if there is any chance we might take a look at Tello again since we've lost out on HM and the eds think that its likely that eriksen will end up with Milan. Do you reckon bar a might be interested in a sale to help balance their books?

I know you said a month ago that it was unlikely just wondering if anything has changed since then.

Cheers

23 Jul 2013 21:50:38
If we accept the latest offer from arsenal then I've lost all confidence in the people running the club, just stick a £50 mill tag on him and if arsene can blow the cobwebs off his wallet and stump up then fair enough.just do it quick so we can steel soldado from the spuds and use the rest on Erickson and a left back.
Dublin red

23 Jul 2013 20:59:15
Ed02, if you are around, are you aware of this 2nd bid of 42 million from Arsenal?

Thanks,
The real AG {Ed002's Note - I don't know any details, and that is the critical thing.}

But they have bid again right? {Ed002's Note - I have no confirmation of a bid right now.}

23 Jul 2013 21:41:09
Even though I have no clue whether its true or not it seems par for the course on here to write utter tripe so I'm going to say there is no deal for 42m and its just a smoke screen for the higuain deal. All I see on this site is the same question asked over and over again followed by an answer of read the posts.really insightful thanks for all the hot no rumours.
Now let all the mocking begin. Ha ha ha!

Allan

Vaguely reputable papers saying Arsenal just bid £40,000, 001 and had it rejected.

23 Jul 2013 20:51:26
hey eds, i'm curious why suarez would want an arsenal move when I thought his issue was with the english media and not bad relations with lfc? a move to arsenal would not get him away from the english media and fa and he would still have to serve his ban. I just don't see the point of him moving on unless its to another league {Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

All he really wants is CFL and doesn't really care where he gets it.
If he had said that before all the rubbish he has been spurting out during the close season he would have a small amount of respect from LFC fans for his honesty but as it is he hasn't.

Livern01

23 Jul 2013 20:45:07
Not trying to be a pessimistic pete but can you imagine if Arsenal got both Bernard and Suarez? Doesen't even bear thinking about? I went on the Arsenal site a few times in the last couple of days to keep abreast of the Luis/Bernard situation and I have to say there's a guy that posts on there names Malaga Gooner and words cannot describe what an person that fella is!

Don't let Malaga represent all of us. Some of us are alright really.

Ted

Fans like those are ridiculous. You can tell by his name he isn't a true supporter. People who support two clubs are clearly not interested in the club for it's entirety. Like Liverpool for instance, it's so deep, the club I mean, that there's so much to take in that if I were to be supporting a second club I wouldn't have my whole heart behind Liverpool and I wouldn't be a good enough supporter for the club. It's probably some kid from the U.S.

23 Jul 2013 20:41:02
If Bernard and suarez both end up at arsneal.
here does our club ends up end of the season.
87.2 mill debt till now.
no cl next season. means 87.2+50.

Really Nostradamus?


Really!

If its that bad I suppose you wouldn't then mind then if LS incoming fee goes towards reducing this figure that you just pulled from your back side. I mean the one that's after the "+"?

Hi ed's do you have a translator function that you use for these type of questions or just scratch your heads and think h**k it let the readers figure this one out!!.

Leeb7red. {Ed002's Note - It got post of the day - we are just packing his hamper.}

In not cynical but agree we weaken our position two fold selling to arsenal. Posted this yesterday

Barneswasbest

I'm speechless

23 Jul 2013 21:33:57
As Ed02 said previously. Money confuses people.
But yes, I would not think it is a healthy situation to miss CL next season. My local and favourite team in Denmark suffers the same situation. A traditional Club with lots of championsship in the past. But we have played in the second division for five consecutive season, missed promotion with a 3rd place over and over (top 2 gives promotion). But know my team is even weaker than last year, because we can't afford to have expensive players in the second division.
Think Liverpool is in an evil circle like this now

What's in the hamper ed? I can beat that if its worth my time!

24 Jul 2013 11:39:28
I think the 50m is the amount that Ed02 said we are losing every year, so he's adding that to 87m which is supposedly the amount already lost.

Hounsred {Ed002's Note - That is the figure that has been lost in each of the last three years. Don't try and add it to the debt or any other number - it will confuse the already financially confused posters.}

23 Jul 2013 19:59:30
Just thought i'd share my opinion if or more likely when we sell suarez I think its going to leave us light up front again the players mentioned we may bring in such as eriksen (spell) are more amc than a striker which will leave us with a slightly injury prone sturridge and 2 unproven strikers in borini and aspas. I still think we need another striker soldado would have been a brilliant signing but looks like he'll b a spurs player damiao would be another top signing. let's just hope we have something planned.

NEred

23 Jul 2013 19:49:47
Good Evening To All My Fellow LFC Supporters & the Ed's.
I am a 33 year old die-hard LFC supporter from Johannesburg in South Africa who has been reading this site for over 6 years.
First of all, A Big Thank You to all of the Editors for your information.I know it must be difficult.Your insight is much appreciated.
I would just like to state that I am really looking forward to this season (as always).
Let's support our manager & players and get right behind the team.
We can achieve great things, be positive.
Remember, we are Liverpool FC.
With hope in our hearts.YNWA.

Well said Thaven!

The real AG

Yes brother

Alfie

23 Jul 2013 18:58:29
What drags out theses transfers? Isn't it simple? ask for the money, contact team with bid, talk to player give him an offer job done? Why are deals not getting done

Yeah man united just can't seem to sign anyone :)

23 Jul 2013 22:24:35
I don't remember players turning ferguson down or utd getting beaten two times out of three before the season starts. It'll be interesting to see what happens to them next season. Looking forward to the third game of the season.

Allan

23 Jul 2013 18:43:16
Heard arsenal have bid £42m for Suarez, not too sure how reliable it is though.

Joss

Personally I'd take it with the stipulation he puts in a transfer request.

It's from the website Goal, which means it is about as reliable as a dead rabbit on the road.

BthekingB

A dead rabbit on the road is pretty reliable I would have thought, its a rabbit and its dead, no arguement there

It euros not pounds

BthekingB

That's a bit harsh, on the dead rabbit.

HB

I used to know a reliable dead rabbit who lived down the road, he didn't turn up for a meeting one day and let me down badly.

Was that meeting last week? The rabbit was probably panned out enjoying the sun

23 Jul 2013 18:18:47
Spanish papers saying Bale to Madrid 6 year contract is done. Ed does this mean they will end their pursuit of Suarez if Ronaldo and Higuain stay? D {Ed002's Note - There is no done deal for Bale at this time. The player is in the Far East. The world does not revolve around Suarez.}

23 Jul 2013 17:46:59
Cissokho is not the left back we need, I have seen him play several times this season and before at lyon.not the level we should be looking at. if we can get eriksen I will be very pleased, he is a very good player controls the ball with both feet can shoot with both.
eriksen was not as dominant as the year before but he is only 21 that's just normal. we need a cb before the season starts and sell skrtl and quates, both not good enough. if we get a left back, cb and eriksen and hold on too suarez we could be right up there this season. but we need a good start.malta

I think Aly will be a very good signing actually. Maybe not the best LB in the world but having the best does not mean they will actually be more effective for a team. Think how many players we have had that were actually not world beaters but played like no other for LFC and for me I see Aly as somone who will fight and give his all each and every game

Gareth

23 Jul 2013 15:57:02
Canos scored today for the u18s

23 Jul 2013 15:46:34
Hello Ed052. I am aware that we haven't bid for Bernard and you don't know of confirmed interest but do you still think we have any chance to sign him or is he almost certain to join Gunners?

Thanks and have a nice day. {Ed052's Note - I don't see us bidding if I'm honest. it does seem like he will got to Arsenal, but I don't have any confirmation there, either}

Thanks for really fast answer! I see a lot of rumours about dutch guy so if we bid for him, do you think Cou would be pushed to wing? And if we don't get Eriksen nor Bernard do you see us bidding for tricky and fast winger (Bernard type)? {Ed052's Note - No problem. If we get Eriksen, I expect Coutinho would go left wing. If we don't get those 2 you mention, a left winger I suspect is possible, or another different CAM}

Not dutch - danish like poulson!

Ed052,
Who would you want us to sign as the alternative left winger you mentioned? {Ed052's Note - Turan}

Ed, idk if it was you that said this or not, but I believe you said that depending on a CAM coming in, coutinho would most likely play CAM against weaker teams. Ik he only played half a season, but when he played CAM, he was absolute class and I would like to keep him there. To sum it all up, why did you say he would only play CAM against weaker teams? just wondering

NDred {Ed052's Note - I think against tougher teams we may want an extra stronger player in central midfield who focuses a bit more on defending. Against weaker teams its not so crucial. }

Thanks for the reply ed. Ik it's only hypothetical at this point, but if we were to get eriksen per say, wouldn't he be almost of the same mold as coutinho? In essence, being why you would rather have someone else as our CAM like turan and push coutinho on the wing? Srry for the questioning, I just want to get your opinion on the matter as I believe we are only a few players away from top accolades.

NDred {Ed052's Note - if we got Eriksen I could see Coutinho being out left everytine that Eriksen played. I don't think Arda would suit CAM. If we got him he would be left and Coutinho through the middle. }

23 Jul 2013 15:27:15
Eds. There seems to be a lot of Soldado rumours flying around. I can't see it myself he's 28 and very expensive. Do you think its just b/s coming from the Soldado camp with the intention of getting THFC to pull their finger out? Your thoughts would be appreciated {Ed052's Note - Spurs probably}

Spurs keep missing out on strikers so sooner or later they are going to need to pay what is needed or suffer again like they did last season. Baldini has been working hard behind the scenes and Soldado is a long-term target. I think Spurs will get him.

Disney!

23 Jul 2013 15:03:06
I have been living in Valencia for the last year next to the Mestalla and I have been to about 8 games Cissokho is not what we need he has looked poor in possesion and lacked any imagination going forward he would be a poor back up to Enrique RedInSpain

23 Jul 2013 15:13:41
at 1, 5 mil, you won't be getting Coentrao or Marcelo

Here we go again. He only needs to be a better option right now than Robbo to add depth to the squad.

Kidder

23 Jul 2013 14:59:07
Eds is there still interest in Jorginho? I look at the squad and it makes sense that Cissoko, Jorginho & Eriksen would be the 3 players to complete it.

With any other arrivals depending on the departures of Coates (Ilori), Skrtel/Agger (Papa) & Suarez (nobody knows)

Makes sense? {Ed052's Note - We have interest in Jorginho, yes. It makes sense., but Eriksen and Jorginho would be Suarez's replacement if they come in}

Hey ed, did you mean Eriksen AND J? You see us going for both, cause it would seem a bit too much AM to me?

Drigan {Ed052's Note - I don't expect both, and one is a push. The poster was saying that those two would complete the squad, and is LS goes, others would come in, and I said that if LS went, those 2 would be replacements - i.e. no more players would be brought for up top.}

23 Jul 2013 15:15:27
ED 052, why do have an interest in Joringho, He is a deep lying play maker similar to the mould of Allen, which is not our Priority.
Is our interest serious enoug? {Ed052's Note - Maybe. He wouldn't be first team anyway}

O I thought Eriksen was the extra bit of quality up top that BR mentioned and would be signed instead of Mkhitaryan regardless of the Suarez deal. Also see Jorginho as a more deep lying playmaker who would compete with & probably push out Allen who continues to look unimpressive.

REDKEV I think you are spot on! It has nothing to do with the Suarez situation and for those of you following the tour and watching LFCTV it looks more and more like he is staying anyway!

23 Jul 2013 14:20:56
Is there any chance of a move for either Nani or Mcgeady? Both look likely to move this summer? {Ed052's Note - Nope, to both}

23 Jul 2013 14:11:26
Espn confirm bid and personal terms with eriksen have been accepted, 21 mil. Nice pickup for us!

Mike

Looks like there maybe sumthin in it as Liverpool have reportedly made an 18 million pound bid for Ajax youngster Christian Eriksen and are closing in on a deal to sign the Danish international. An Italian website, TuttoMercatoWeb, is claiming that Eriksen has agreed personal terms with the Anfield side.

Cheers Alfie {Ed052's Note - It's been claiming that for a day now. Nothing new}

Where has espn confirmed this? I don't see it anywhere. {Ed052's Note - It hasn't. It has just reported other sources}

23 Jul 2013 13:30:10
Gerrard Quoted : "He's a good friend of mine, I've enjoyed every minute of playing with him, we love him to bits and of course we all want him to stay at the football club, "
"But we also have to show him respect. He's got his own decisions to make in life and we'll have to wait and see what he decides to do.

"All we can do is show him the love, keep making sure he feels very welcome and hopefully that's enough to persuade him to stay, because I think outside of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, there's no better footballer on the planet."

I wonder ED052 would shut this site down, If He stays here, Miracles do happen once in lifetime ( the way we came back to win at sansiro 8 years back) {Ed052's Note - I don't have the power to shut the site down.

It would have been nice if the Club Captain had said something like .
" Louis owes it to the fans and Club who've stood by him during troubled times, and that's why he should stay "

But no. " Show him some love, make him feel wanted "

Seriously??

Isn't that saying that Louis wants out but god I hope by some miracle he stays?

It would have been nice if the Club Captain had said something like

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To the above poster, Gerrard had to say what he said, you'll have to be stupid not to realise to Gerrard, BR and the team ; its better if Suarez stayed for at least another season, and they will say whatever it takes to keep him, if he said what you suggested, that will create problems and a rift between Suarez and the squad which will push him further away from the club .
Dont get me wrong, if I had a conversation with Suarez, I'll be saying to him exactly what you posted.

Roy

Yes seriously that's how good suarez is that the captain manager love him and want him to stay after everything certain people try justify him leaving simple fact we will be weaker with out him

Luis wants Champions League football before he is 30. A footballer's playing life is short. The professionals around him understand this.

It will be make or break for Liverpool this year.

How many people genuinely think that the club, fans, and players should all bow down and worship Luis Suarez and beg him on our hands and knees to stay?

Dunno about you but I don't want to see Liverpool or It's captain grovelling to anyone.

Nevada

Agreed with Nevada. This talk of giving him even more per week and making it easier for him to leave via a new contract does my head in a bit. You don't get more money out of the club in my mind by being disrespectful to it.

23 Jul 2013 13:00:14
In my view, the indignant and foolish comments by some fans regarding Suarez betray the footballing knowkedge and etiquette of most Liverpool fans. The fact is, Suarez is a great footballer. He is clearly popular amongst his team mates (just read Brad Jones interview in the Echo) and is sheer quality. OK, so he shoots his mouth off but there is simply no way that Liverpool would be a 'better' football team without him, just as there is no way RM would be 'better' without Ronaldo or Barca would be 'better' without Messi. Sure, those fly-by-night fans who have a shallow sense of betrayal by what they read in the newspapers might believe so but let's not kid ourselves, we won't be 'better off' without him. In my opinion only Messi and Ronaldo are better than Suarez as a player (don't think Bale is IMHO) and it is just churlish to suggest that we are better off without him. He might be better off in his view but we won't. I am not saying he hasn't been a knabheed with his comments but we should just thicken our skins a little bit here, get some perspective and toughen up! If by some miracle BR can sort him out and he agrees to stay there is no way we won't be a better team! To those who say how good we played without him - yes, I agree but that was for short periods and not sustained across a season. His form was sustained all year long, in every competition he played in, through training, onto the pitch and indeed with his relationship with the fans. Let's just get some perspective here, hope that a truly world class footballer stays at a club aiming to be world class again and we play ourselves into top contention with top players, just as we should be doing. I'm sure if he announced he was signing a new contract and was happy at Anfield some of those posting their diatribe on here would come out and say 'great, what a result!' Well, they'd be right. Let's try not to be so ridiculously fickle - it just makes us look a bit pathetic as fans.

Brad Jones interview? A fellow player isn't going to come out and say I don't like Suarez. So using that to reinforce point is stupid. The fact is regardless of his talent is his behavior has been disgusting and totally unbefitting any club not just ours. If it were another player we wouldn't put up with it. It he stays he stay and he'd have my support because I love his talent. But to sell to another prem club is out of the question.

CC

Depends what price you put on having great players in the team - if your happy with a player who bites people, rolls on the ground, spouts off that he wants out every time he leaves the UK then that's cool, leaves the team in the rubbish because he gets another ban then that's cool.

I don't see Messi and Ronaldo doing similar things. so don't think you can compare.

Terry Mac

Ronaldo was doing that stuff all last season!

Ronaldo dives more the suarez

But you have missed the fundamental difference
One plays for Liverpool
The other used to play for Man U

Messi and Ronaldo make their teams better.

I am not sure Suarez does that. I suspect we could finish 7th without him fairly easily.

His own teammates are going to say nice things about Suarez. What else do you expect?

At the end of the day, it is time for Suarez to move on. Too much has happened.

There is simply no argument that a world class player doesn't make the team better! Of course he does! Gerrard has said the same only today. It is fatuous to assume that just because the lad is a tad gobby he is of no value to the team. I don't understand the comment above that 'one used to play for Man U' or indeed that of 'what do you expect team mates to say?' The team mates are not just saying that he's a great player but that he is of value across the board. You have to ask yourselves, why do the team mates seem so keen on keeping the player too!? Because he's world class. World class players in a team is a good thing. Sometimes they act up - that's an issue which needs to be managed. But in terms of player quality and team quality - best players in team is good for team. Simples.

Louis is a south American footballer and let's be honest there has always been players from this part of the world over many years who have been let's say hot blooded and hot headed and Louis is no different I am not condoning what he did but I believe we need him playing for LFC great players and he is a great player make teams great Dalglish, cantona, Ronaldo, messi, best, liddlel, young, ball, henry, rush they have something special they produce something special their winners and Louis is a winner he has played with half of our team who in my opinion are not on the same level of wanting to win like Louis you look at the team when they have lost and I can only see a few upset with loss and every time Louis is one of them. I really think the players are saying nice things about Louis I believe they may have been requested to make their statements but I also believe that if they did not believe what they stated they would not go to the press . The mancs forgave cantona and look what he went on to achieve dalglish like support gave he got from the mancs let's not forget what Louis has done in the past but let's give him the chance due to our support to produce the football he plays and goals he scores in our shirt not real Madrid or arsenal or any other teams shirt if we make him feel unwanted he will go and we won't get a player of his calibre for many years give Louis the support we LFC supporters are renowned for from around the world Louis is a red let's keep him a red people

23 Jul 2013 12:42:12
i am not in the no but judging by babels tweets regarding Liverpool football club I will say eriksen is interested. judging by the fact babel claims he speaks to eriksen about Liverpool fc tells me there has been some movement for the player. why would eriksen ask for info on our club. I still feel we will sign the player. perfect age and would fit lovely alongside coutinho {Ed052's Note - Babel tweeted 'if Liverpool move for him'' or words to that effect, suggesting a move HASN'T been made}

23 Jul 2013 12:36:33
Eriksen heading our way apparently

23 Jul 2013 12:33:04
Eds, any idea who BR is targeting at the moment as he said we expect 1 or 2 more quality exciting signing?
Thanks RedWaghBakri {Ed052's Note - Well, seemingly Cissokho, and interest in Eriksen is rumoured to be coming to fruition (I have no confirmation of either - unfortunately }

He said the same last year and we got little Joe and Borini!!

23 Jul 2013 12:25:27
Ryan Babel. WHAT.A.LEGEND!
Hes basically told Erikson to join LFC!
PunjabiRED

23 Jul 2013 12:48:34
Legend?. babel?.
Man. he was ripped apart here from some fans.
NOw when he isnist someone to join our club, He becomes Legend?

Arda Tura : ". I love Liverpool FC. If I support a team in Europe, Its Liverpool. "

Another legend on the cards?

Sign them both lol

23 Jul 2013 11:29:03
Ed is it true we have agreed personal terms with Erikson, have seen it on a lot of websites today. I know that he is talking to Milan as well though from the search function, just wondering if you have heard anything new. {Ed052's Note - I haven't heard anything of the sort}

23 Jul 2013 11:39:51
Hi,
As well as LFC, I also follow the MLS (LA and Vancouver in particular) and I was just wandering whether you think we should look at MLS when buying players as it is better than somepeople think. {Ed001's Note - it may be better than people think, but there aren't any players there currently good enough for us.}

MLS players aren't the caliber we need. The best players are either older stars past their prime or ones who'd fit right in at Stoke.

Well you obviouly don't watch it asi can name about 10 players who would fit in well at LFC

23 Jul 2013 13:53:21
please do, I'd be interested to hear them

Bit hard to explain to non MLS fans but here goes.
Russell Teibert - Canadian MNT player and good young prospect. Can play wing or AM and is pacy. Also can work well in 4-3-3

Omar Gonzalez - Young but experienced USA MNT player. Miles better than the likes of Coates.

Jack McInerney - Very talented striker, very similar to Borini in terms of playing ability and style.

Matt Besler - USA MNT and ALL STAR player (which means he was one of the best CBs last season)

Diego Fagundez - Only 17 and has been one of NE best players this season

Jose Villareal - Playing week in week out with likes of Keane and Donovan, and that can be seen in how much he has developed over the last year

Camilo - can play Wing Striker or AM. Very similar to Coutinho just little older

Juninho - 4 years of playing alongside Beckham has helped him to improve alot, enough said

Mike Magee, 1 of oldest in this group but was top scorer until few games ago

While the MLS has made leaps and bounds in the past couple years, it is NO WHERE near the quality of most 2nd tier football leagues throughout Europe. Look at Donovan, one of the "premier" MLS players and couldn't even make it at Everton. Maybe have your eyes checked son.

23 Jul 2013 11:29:58
Hi eds and reds this is my first post so be gentle lol.I have been Liverpool mad since the age of 7 and am very much from the playstation generation but not as unrealistic as my peers.
Liverpool are not the team they once where and the owners are doing a fantastic job at rebuilding our wonderfull club.
Be patient be supportive and be Liverpool fans.

Get rid of suarez give others a chance to prove themselves.
YNWA

You are right Jack and there's nowt wrong with the play station mate I got one and I'm a bit older than you.

Good times ahead, and I don't just mean Fifa14

Alfie

23 Jul 2013 11:15:21
I hope BR plays Coutinho through the middle every week and not out wide. I'd rather buy a wide player to take Downings place and If Suarez goes I hope we spend big and get Sanchez. Also is there any chance of Coentrao being thrown into the mix with the Suarez to Real move eds? {Ed052's Note - no}

Just a personal view while agreeing without question that Coutinho is most effective centrally, he gets that opportunity as part of a flexible front three .

I can think of six or eight away games next season, starting with Stoke, where if he played as part of a midfield three, we would get overun as usual .

Doesn't matter you can't get run over if you can't get near him

23 Jul 2013 11:04:31
I see Spurs are interested in Soldado! I don't think they have a scouting system. They just come on this website and read our rumours page then make a bid for whoever we're being linked with!

Harty

They were linked with him long before us. I hope they get him. Shows their ambition.

CC

Yeah of course, because no one else had ever heard of him!

Get a grip fella, we have been linked with him for a while now, and i'm sutre he would choose us over you all day every day.

Much love

23 Jul 2013 12:58:50
yeah because spurs have won so much trophys, you lot come 5th and it success for us that's failure there's no doubt we are the much bigger club and if we really wanted any player we would get him over you all day unless you throw silly money at them way over what their value is like siggurdsson dempsey, and prob if you looked at r pre season games the other side of the world you would have at least a bit respect for how big Liverpool r as a club easily 1 of the top 5 clubs in the world although r standard of play has dropped in recent years we are really improving especially the way the club is run this will make us better remember every club falls on bad times at some stage utd got relegated in the 70s but were still viewed as 1 of the biggest clubs in the world.Tommy irish red

Spurs are starting to panic IMO they obviously need a Striker and they are been linked with many in a price bracket they can afford, plus they don't pay massive wages.

I think they had designs on Villa but he blew them off will be interesting to see who they sign.

I hardly think Soldado is a panic buy, he's shown his quality for a couple of seasons now. I think the stumbling block is the slightly inflated price for him. But I still think he's worth it.

CC

Spurs don't have a trophy room not even a trophy cabinet they have a trophy shelf and its empty and dusty.soldado might head there to make some money and wind down his career like henry did at red bulls

23 Jul 2013 10:27:27
Hi guys. A question for Ed052 if he's about.
Obviously B.R keeps coming out and saying Suarez is not for sale,
Nobody was expecting any different of course.
My question is as the window progresses do you think we will actually be inclined to accept a lower offer? Or will we stick to our guns?
It's hard to tell where the rubbish ends and reality begins with football sometimes.
Cheers mate.
WelshBoyDave {Ed052's Note - I don't think we will need to accept a lower offer - I think a high enough offer will come in. I suspect 40m would do it, and both Arsenal or RM could offer that. We want rid, so will sell slightly lower I think}

I don't think 40m will be enough. I'd say it will be over 50m anyway!

Selling lower than 45million is a disaster and disgrace

Lower than £45m is not a disgrace. If RM got him for £40m and we brought in Eriksen and Bernard. that would be ace.

Thank god none of you lot are our manager!

23 Jul 2013 10:18:46
Hey Ed, do u know if the swedish Guy Kristoffer petersson is close to get a chance to first team play? Thanks. {Ed052's Note - He isn't near the first team at all}

Good player though!

He'll get another season on the bench for the U21s then move on. Totally in love with himself as well so glad to be rid!

23 Jul 2013 09:56:31
Allegedly, thousands of twitter users are organising a protest if suarez is sold to arsenal. And allegedly, death threats have been made to John Henry and his wife. Some Liverpool fans give the rest a really bad name.

Not the first time JH and his family have been threatened. And people wonder why they rarely turn up to matches. There are those among our fans that appal and disgust me.

Whilst I don't agree with death threats, I agree with demonstrations condemning any possible move to Arsenal. It would be a disgrace and for me question the club's motive by selling to an obvious rival. Just my opinion.

CC

Absolutely pathetic, death threats or demonstration or whatever foolish things they wish to carry out, it's childish and pathetic.

The real AG

We should start a protest and movement ourselves to send these people to the moon as soon as it's possible.

Cc- are you serious, protests? it does not matter where players go if we as a team improve and strengthen our own team. sell the little rat to united if they give us the money.

1) Report to police
2) Track IP address
3) Arrest
4) prosecute.

I'm sure Henry is not stupid.

Any death threats made to the owners are a disgrace. THey are doing a good job of bringing down the debt and making the club solid financially without Champions League football. I don't agree with any protests either. If Suarez hands in a transfer request and Arsenal are the only side to make an acceptable offer what choice do the club have? Any anger should be directed at Suarez who has acted really badly and not the club or owners.

23 Jul 2013 13:28:42
these so called fans of the club need to back off and maybe thank jh for saving r club from admin imo.Tommy Irish Red

Who says they are lfc fans any fool can say things on sites.

We have no need to sell to Arsenal regardless if he hands in a transfer request or not. So if he does go there, yeah I will hold the likes of JH and board accountable because we are trying to get into the Champs league spot and instead arming the enemy with our prime ammunition. It shows jaded ambition on the part of our club. So yeah I will contest the club's decisions not by death threats by any means but through constructive criticism.

CC

Selling suarez to Arsenal will easily close our door on champions league & will make Arsenal more stronger then ever, they will easily add 30+ goal striker where will lose 30+ goal striker with already weaker squad compare to them!

23 Jul 2013 09:54:17
I'd like to ask Ed052 a question for you specifically. I'm wondering what the future holds for Marc Pelosi at Liverpool. He has been unfortunate with injuries etc but if he gets a decent injury free run will he be knocking on the door of the first team do you think? and if not what do you make of his long term Liverpool prospects and if he's highly regarded at Liverpool. Thanks in advance Ed.

Jon {Ed052's Note - Yey, a question for me (I love sensible questions, people). Anyway, Pelosi is highly rated in the academy, and after a bit of a slow start in the team, really started to play well. he got a sustained period away from injuries, and therefore managed to cement a place, surprising at CM in the reserves, where he impressed me, most certainly. I do suspect that, given a full season of development that he will go into the first team, he does have the qualities. But the problem is, it wouldn't be a surprise if he picked up a little niggle. Hopefully he won't because then he can really kick on. Moreover, I don't think he was on the loan list I put up last week (if I remember) so the club obviously want to keep him at the club. This suggests a)to monitor him, b)he may get a chance (I guess!). Thanks bud!}

Your welcome Ed.

Jon

Hi Ed. Who all was on the loan list? Was McLaughlin in the list? In my opinion he is the best player coming through the acedemy at the moment! {Ed052's Note - Yes, he was}

Hi Ed052, I have had a look for this loan list but can't find it, any chance of a copy and paste.

Cheers Walls {Ed052's Note - I don't have it at the minute. But something like: Ngoo, Mukendi, Suso, Coady (as we know), McL..., Yesil, Adorjan, Sama, Ward, Morgan and some others I think, Baio. I think that may be it}

I like Ryan but have to say think either Ibe or Sinclair for me. Don't think we've had a natural goal scorer since god and I think Sinclair has the ability to be one of the worlds best! He will be the one to watch if he continues in the same vain as he has been in.

RR!

23 Jul 2013 09:46:05
Ed do you think Jackson Martinez is a player LFC might look at to replace Suarez? {Ed052's Note - no}

23 Jul 2013 09:28:47
Hello all. I've just made my team for the FSG antasy premier league, but can't find anywhere to put the code in. Probably just being stupid but could someone please come to my rescue and tell me what links to click etc!

All the best,

El Pi**edolero

Go to leagues at top of the screen, then pick private league and enter the code mate and repeat. Option of classic or head to head leagues.

I have just set up my team on this for this year and the Liverpool rumours league was still there from last season so I did not have to re-register.

AzXav

23 Jul 2013 09:27:06
Wy has everything gone quiet on Damiao? {Ed002's Note - There has not been Liverpool interest in him.}

So who is to replace Suarez? The strikers we have are young and talented but realistically are going to get us nowhere near the top 4 in comparison surely you must see this {Ed052's Note - We don't need another striker}

Oh okay good idea so you think Borini and Aspas are ready to lead the line, that's ludicrous, still unproven and Sturridge is young if any of them got injured it would leave us woefully short. Even with them all fit they are simply not good enough yet. You need at least one striker to carry the team to get in the top 4 and we don't have any there. And to sign one attacking mid to replace him is personic, you need two or three {Ed052's Note - wow, hold on. Firstly, you say you need lots of options upfront, and that we have 3. Then you say we need one striker but 'don't have any', so you need to make your mind up, do we have 3, or none? DS will be the main striker, and Aspas probably back up, Borini after that, then the youngsters. We ain't going to spend 25m on a striker to sit on the bench, and DS won't want to sit on the bench. Its all good having a policy of rotation, but players, especially strikers, want to play, especially in a World Cup year. And we have about 3 CAMs now, so I don't see why your complaining about that?}

You need 4 top strikers we have sturridge who look pretty good aspas has quality and borini who well has it all to prove now suarez our best striker leaves and you think we'll be okay with those 3 I think you need 4 you think 3 is okay ed {Ed052's Note - Yes 3 is fine. If we have 4, how do we give them all enough time? We only play one striker}

When you drawing or loosen you can bring them on change the game options rotate someone having a bad game gets injured all comes in to account you really need 4 the big teams got it and if they didn't last season I bet they will this season

23 Jul 2013 13:30:44
Ok, this 4 striker business.
Why do we need 4 strikers, when our entire style of play is bent around playing one up front?
1 striker playing and 3 on the bench? Really?
The only reasoning I can see for signing another striker is if he also plays left wing well enough to be considered first team, considering aspas and borini both also have multiple roles. Any suggestions anyone?
Cause soldado ain't going to come here to set on the bench when he is on the fringes of the Spain squad as it is.
And if you're going to say to put a player (sturridge) who scored 11 in sixteen in this league out on the left, Well no wonder you think we need so many strikers, cause that seems pretty stupid

Gosh, this reminds me of the time on football manager 2005 where my friend bought 16 strikers at Chelsea. Fun times

Alvy

23 Jul 2013 09:15:29
I would like to see:
ins:
toure(done)
aspas(done)
mignolet(done)
alberto(done)
papa 15m
ericksen 18m
soldado 20m
cissockho 800k(loan)

outs:
shelvey(done)
carroll(done)
spearing 1.5m
reina 10m
skrtel 12m
downing 12m
borini 12.5m

I think we can see Aly joining and maybe one other attacking player but that will be it for us this transfer window unless Suarez goes.

I don't see Downing or Borini leaving this summer.

23 Jul 2013 08:00:40
With a loan on the cards for cissoko and paying the fee next year are we out of money? Do we need to sell first? Is this why the transfers have slowed up?.

Transfers are slowed up because if we kept going at the same rate we'd have spent 100 million by now

22 Jul 2013 19:32:17
Hi Ed's, this isn't about the present its about previous transfer targets over the last 5 years or so.
I was wondering if at any stage Liverpool had any interest in Claudio Marchiso of Juventus, I only ask because I used to live in turin so I saw a lot of this guy play at juventus and many Juve fans I knew where dead cert that benitez would buy him for Liverpool. so I was wondering if any of you ed's new if we ever looked at him?

REDMettri {Ed002's Note - Not that I recall.}

23 Jul 2013 01:24:15
So it looks like Aly Cissokho is joining on loan for at least the season. The player himself is talking about it, although he is refusing to count his chickens.

No harm in a seasons loan for a small fee imo. Enrique was absolutely shocking at the start of last season, it took him months to get into the swing of things. The competition is a good thing and it might also prevent us having to shift Johnson to the left which usually negates our attacking threat from right fullback.

I'm also hoping these smaller captures enable us to keep our powder dry for at least one decent signing.

22 Jul 2013 23:42:57
Reports that Higuain has agreed to join Napoli for �37M. Will Real now make a move for Suarez? Thanks. {Ed052's Note - it will be a matter of time I suspect}

All the "reports" I can find say he is stalling and wants a little time to think it over. Also ancelotti has denied all "reports" saying a fee has been agreed, let alone the player agreeing to the switch.

22 Jul 2013 23:50:32
Eds what's with everyone on here talking about Enrique "finally being replaced" by robinson, or bertrand etc?
This isn't the view of the club is it? I honestly think Enrique is the best lb we've had in years. He is so strong (never out muscled) and proved to be an attackin threat last season, getting a couple of goals & assists.

Why would we want to replace him?

Jak {Ed052's Note - he just isn't good enough for the next level. He is good. But not great. We're looking to add competition to improve the team and squad}

Agreed eds completely. He is good but not special. Baines would be a dream but clearly never going to happen. For me Aly will be great signing
Gareth

I'd say none of them are next level, hence our problem

Aly isn't as good as Enrique

Enrique is boss!

Support the players!

Aly is better IMO in nearly every way
Gareth

I don't know about Bert but none of the others can defend for toffee.

Said it before, but interesting that Jamie Carragher didn't rate any of the left backs in his time at Liverpool ( included himself!) when picking his favourite team since he's been there.

He went for Glen Johnson as his pick. that's JC off Enrique's Xmas card list then!

One thing to be past player and not picked, but a current one who's place is taken by the right back! A right kick in the micks!

Marshy

Agreed he's good not great, but how many great left backs are there in the premier league? I think you could argue that the only current one or arguably two are Baines and Cole. Then I would say Evra/Clichy/Monreal are all about the same standard as Enrique or maybe a tiny bit better and Assou Ekotto is probably worse. I actually think Johnsons more of a problem unless, ironically, he plays at left back where he seems to play much better.