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23 Nov 2014 21:46:21
I thought Palace Fans showed Great support and made a lot of noise in the game, good to see from a team in the bottom 3. Getting behind the team.
Yes, to be fair, the manager, players and fans of Palace, were all on top form today, and they fully deserved their win .
23 Nov 2014 19:48:26
If Rogers stays we will be in the Championship next year. He looks clueless
Ohhhh Lord & sweet baby Jesus, it is now becoming the festive season, please give us something to cheer, Brendan is fastly becoming the grinch of Xmas football
23 Nov 2014 22:36:05
Might be a bit of hyperbole going on there, m8.
23 Nov 2014 19:46:54
Don't know really where we go from here. It's not just the defence that is a worry absolutely every area of the pitch there is problems!
But one thing I know is players like Coutinho, sterling, lambert, Lallana are capable of being a much bigger attacking threat, and Lovern, Sakho came in as high profile players and they aren't bad either overnight! So therefore can't really look further than Rodgers as the issue. Just really disappointed, hope the season doesn't peter out
Yes we look lost, think BR has lost the dressing room, no one seems to be playing for him, there were four of us, in the pub watching the palace match, and the mood was not good, and twice, we said that we would watch for just ten mins, on our passing, which just went from bad to worse, from that kick out from migs, to when our right back, who was too far in their half, recieved the ball, and still passed the ball 25 yards back into our half, stevie g did the same, and we were getting beat at this stage,
too many players not looking to go forward, while, fair play to Palace, who wanted to win so much more than we did, were very direct in their play,
also tactically we were outplayed, they were always trying to isolate our defenders, so bring about a one V one,
BR is way out of his depth, and should maybe try a couple of years in one of the lower leagues . our defence is just awful and so boring to watch, so many back and side passes, they need to have a large photo on their mobile to remind them, just where the opposition goal is, and one or two basic rules, that say the object of the game, is to put that ball in their goal, or you just don't win .
23 Nov 2014 19:21:18
Ed 001, I've read where you've mentioned Cruyff before as a possible DOF. Is that a realistic possibility?
{Ed001's Note - well FSG would love him, they wanted him initially, but he has no interest in the role sadly. I never said he was possible, just who I would want.}
23 Nov 2014 19:17:48
Ed01, what did you think of the actual performance?
{Ed001's Note - to be honest mate, my dad took me to the F1 as a belated birthday present which was booked before the fixture list came out, so I haven't seen it yet.}
A great birthday present then.considering the match. It was poor all round
{Ed001's Note - yeah but I did get to see Caterham race, which could be for the last time, driven by my fave driver, Kobayashi, though he conked out part way round too!}
Haha, uve the life of a good one ed
Good swerve Ed001.
{Ed001's Note - it did turn out to be a lucky miss!}
Playing Lovren and Skertel together again was the final straw for me Ed001.
Toure on the bench when we needed leadership out on the pitch.
We have a crap defense.
We have a defender who played brilliantly against Madrid.
He has not played since!
He has not played while our defense has crumbled.
You could not make it up.
23 Nov 2014 19:05:36
Hi ed do you think we will hear anything regarding Rodgers future before cl game . That's surmising action will be taken because surely fsg will not put up with this for much longer . Just shows you how much we depended on ls an studge last season or did we massively overachieve.
{Ed002's Note - Everyone is after FSG to make a knee jerk reaction and are not thinking anything thru. I am sick of explaining the process over and over. When they are ready they will act - be it today or on March 6th.}
23 Nov 2014 19:39:51
Why that particular date Ed, why March 6?
23 Nov 2014 20:08:21
I heard july 7th
Knee jerk would have been after two defeats in a row, but we've lost to West Ham, Newcastle, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Madrid and Basel with a very poor draw against Hull in between with no sign of improvement or will to change or try anything different.
I trust FSG to make the right decision, but I feel that at this point if we want to rescue this season, releasing BR from his duties would be best for all parties as I just don't think he has it in him to turn it around.
23 Nov 2014 20:35:33
They need to act now. It's not a knee jerk reaction we have been rubbish all season.
{Ed002's Note - You really don't understand about this do you.}
It's going to be 27th November a watershed for LFC, the great pretender sacked. . and take your dossier with you, you silver tongued charlatan
24 Nov 2014 05:17:17
The answer to your question would be no Ed002. Lol
23 Nov 2014 18:49:37
I know everyone is calling for Brendan to go. I can of course understand why. The list of concerns I have are increasing each day. However I am not convinced that sacking him at this stage makes sense.
The owners have always wanted a different structure within the club. They do not understand football and I suspect have been badly advised. I hear they are reviewing the club? I am not sure who is doing the review or what they hope to achieve from it.
My concern is that we lack a clear strategy. We have heard about signing good young players with strong resale potential. Then we seem to have no plan or patience for developing them. In fact I would say almost every area of the club appears disjointed. It seems to me the missing link is the director of football. Thanks to this site I think I now understand the role differently. One of the EDs said Ferguson was one in reality and the Cruyff examples have been interesting. We really need someone like Cruyff to pull all areas of the club together.
I really hope that if Rogers is replaced it's done in a structured way. Let's work out what our structure needs to be. If it is a DOF i'd like us to focus on appointing the right person for this role. If not I suspect we sack Rogers and are back in a mess soon enough. If Rogers and the DOF can't work together then Rogers can obviously leave.
The only other option would be to sack him and appoint someone until the summer. If we do this who is available? A few Liverpool legends could lift the mood but in reality I am not sure if this would improve things.
Anyway just my thoughts
YNWA
23 Nov 2014 18:45:41
To be fair, at least Henderson and Ballotelli cannot be blamed for this weeks performance.
Mario will get blamed for it somehow
24 Nov 2014 09:45:51
If Mario hadn't distracted BR by the publicity surrounding his decision to go to the boxing, BR could've spent more time on the tactics and we would have won the match.
There you go! ;)
23 Nov 2014 18:39:07
Carragher said what I've been saying all season- so I must be right, haha- we're getting bullied out of games. We're not strong enough physically or mentally.
I hate to see ordinary teams brushing us aside by just getting stuck in.
And it's worse when the manager continues with his smaller, slower and so called 'technical' players.
And many of these can't even play for 90 minutes.
Shocking.
Footie`s a man`s game and requires determination, ruggedness and a will and desire to battle for every scrap in search of getting an advantage over your opponent. BR must not realize these ingredients are essential because his tea is bereft of all of these.
23 Nov 2014 23:06:41
I do like a rugged cup of tea myself.
23 Nov 2014 18:07:26
The best I've seen us recently was against Real Madrid away. We were really sleek passing the ball,
before the substitions and the last 15 minutes.
I've tried, but I can think of too much positive to say
about today, other than the fantastic Sunday
lunch from the missus.
23 Nov 2014 18:23:47
Real Madrid away was an okay performance against a team that never really got out of 2nd gear.
But you're probably right that it is our best performance of recent weeks. Says a lot about how we're playing.
Lewis Hamilton was also not too bad. Yes BR has lost today but at least NR also didn't do that well.
I didn't see the game but I think with us this season, every game brings it's own bad news. For example, I thought so far that the fact that we aren't able to score first and do well in the 1st half and having to chase the opposition is the cause for many of our problems. But it is the second game we score early and get beaten.
I honestly can't see what the owners hope that will now change that didn't change so far. They seem hopeless, the manager seem hopeless, the players seem very hopeless and so no doubt that we have no hope. It wasn't such a big deal if it was an amateur team but these are all people who earn millions, a lot of fans put a lot of money in season tickets and match tickets so there is a lot of money involves and there is still a general atmosphere surrounding our performance and results as if this is a five a side of a school under 14s. Very sad. We are a proper bottom half team now and don't think that our name or history will take us out of there.
23 Nov 2014 17:58:25
Hi ed
I'm not a great fan of all this sacking talk but he looked like a man t lost today. It was a poor performance and heat there lost. To give a replacement a chance it will have to be before the window opens I would think? I've had a heated chat with the lads, but could you list three realistic targets please? I have a pint riding on which one of my lot is os
Closest
{Ed002's Note - There will be all sorts of realistic targets and the club are sensibly taking the time to plan the way forward. In the longer term, if Brendan Rodgers were ever to leave you might want to consider (a) De Boer - a favourite of Ed001 who he dreams of), (b) Rafa Benitez (mentioned to me by a prominent sports lawyer on the way the some meetings in Monaco with me last Monday), (c) Laudrup (preferred as part of a team by someone close to the situation). There will be plenty of other options.}
I said it before and got abuse and I will say it again and will probably be lughed at again but I don't mind. I think Tony Pulis is not such a bad option. Especially if De Boer does not want to come (he didn't want to come last time we asked him and are much worse now). We desperately need some organisation, we need to do something with our defence and make the most of an avarage squad. Yes he may not take us to top 4 this year, but for us to be top 4 team we anyway need to buy 2-3 top players and we don't have the budject for that, not in the short term anyway. So let's, at least, have a fighting organised team that will not emberass us every week. I don't think Benitez or Laudrop have what is needed to sort us defensively. If pulis was able to sort out Crystal Palace last season he will be able to sort us.
I think fsg need to act now, to be honest. This squad of players should not be struggling the way they are. Teams have the way we play sussed and know how to counter us. The need for a new Goalkeeper is a priority. Brendan must make tough decisions regarding Gerrard it showed again today that he's not protecting the back 4.He was clearly too far away from them in the build up to their first goal, especially considering Allen was off the field.
Fanobip. We do need a defensive coach in some way shape or form if the current management set up does tough it out.
23 Nov 2014 17:55:01
edo1 are you hearing things from the club about reliving br of his dutys or is it more an educated guess? also u say de boer would be aloud to come mid season wat about rafa? cheers
{Ed001's Note - they have been looking to consult on what changes to make prior to today, so it was already likely that he would be relieved of his job.
Rafa would force his way out to return to us, if he had the chance.}
So Ed, taking an educated guess, could you suggest 3 genuine possible replacements
Cheers
{Ed001's Note - De Boer, Klinsmann and Bruce Arena.}
Ed001 is Klopp also a target and do you see Rodgers gone before the crucial UCL game on Wednesday ?
{Ed002's Note - RTP}
Bruce Arena? La Galaxy guy? He isn't some that I'd like to see anywhere near the club. Would be decent for a team like West Brom but liverpool? Got my doubts.
{Ed001's Note - I would expect him to be more involved in just advising FSG than managing mate.}
Arena and Klinsman ust b the joke of the decade. That`s a big, fat HECK NO for me. Rafa? IMO, his tie is past. De Boer? If he`s the guy then go get him.
He was "Already likely to be releived of his job" jesus, sorry Ed i didn't realise how bad it was. I no the results have been bad but i guess he would be given more time. Days are numbered then by sounds of it?
23 Nov 2014 17:36:14
Defeats like today are tough ones to take, as us United fans found out plenty of times over the past year or so. I have two genuine questions for you guys.
Do you still think top 4 is possible for Liverpool?
And do you really think Rodgers needs to go? I mean he had a great season last season. Or did suarez form just save his neck?
23 Nov 2014 17:45:42
Squad's good enough for top 4, easily.
Rodgers himself. I wouldn't have ever considered calling him a bad manager, but he clearly has a couple of blindspots with regards to his tactics and player selection, and it's really hurting us on the results front. And I'm not at this stage all that expectant of an improvement.
If that makes him a bad manager, then I guess that's what he is.
23 Nov 2014 17:49:57
Evening 420,
Nice to see a Utd fan on here in relative peace!
Personally, I don't think we have a chance of top four this season now. The football we are seeing is absolutely abysmal and has been the same all season. Can't keep a clean sheet and can't create 1 chance let alone score goals - not a good combo!!
I think it's time for him to go, yes. The club needs a fresh face at the helm and a total restructuring in my opinion. Suarez' influence last year was ridiculous it seems.
We just seem so slow in the build up and create nothing as a end result
No pressing
No quick passing
1. No
2. Yes.
Great post, 420! I think it is tie for us to take stock of BR and his selection and tactics. I don`t know what needs to happen BUT I can tell you that this situation has becoe untenable. As it stands, top 4 is gone and our season is over and we haven`t even played half the gaes yet. BR is lost and so is hthis team who IMO, is good enuff for top 4. We have a anger who has torn down the very team he built due to arrogance, stubborness and an obssession for trying to be smarter than everyone else. Something needs to happen fast or we will be fighting relegation for the rest of this season.
23 Nov 2014 17:59:51
Squad's good enough for top 4, easily.
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And yet we don't have adequate replacement for one injured striker
23 Nov 2014 18:09:52
@ Roy - Lambert converted one out of two good chances this mis-shapen mess of a team provided him with. He's not Fowler or anything, but I suspect he could do a job if the rest of the team was playing a bit better.
23 Nov 2014 18:34:57
I was not blaming Lambert. The striker I meant is Daneil. You have to admit until he is back we will struggle
This team is screwed and DS coming back won`t change anything.
It won't change anything as long as we keep playing one up front and gerrard in front of back four, I actually think it's sad to see gerrard so poor, every time the opposition attacks through the middle you just see gerrard running about three yards behind the attacker not being able to catch him.i have the utmost respect for Gerrard, he carried the team for a couple of years and I believe it's taken its toll, his legs have gone, can't even shoot from distance anymore.has rogers got the bottle to drop him ?
Yet we have a recognized DM in Lucas rotting on the bench in favor of SG who is off-for. We have a better CB in Toure rotting on the bench yet BR plays Skrtl consistently who is the most error prone CB we have. Only athe mentall-deranged will continue to play off-form players and employ a faile system and expect diff results.
420, in answer to your Q, no, I don't think were good enough for top four, we are too far behind, not only in points, but just about everything that a team needs to be at that level,
Q2, yes I believe that BR has to go, and the sooner the better, or this will all drag out till the end of the season, and our famous club will be in tatters,
and I watched the united game, and thought that the high pressing game that you played in the second half, more or less won you that game, and of course, your goalie being man of the match, a very big 3 points for united .
23 Nov 2014 16:46:39
Hey ed001
Sorry was meant to ask this on my lady question & forgot,
You said you would take klopp in a heartbeat, but he got Dortmund playing well & everyone fell in love with him, and now Dortmund are in 'crisis', isn't that pretty much the same thing that's happened with Rodgers?
{Ed001's Note - no, Klopp has been losing his best players for years and still manages to lift up Dortmund time after time. This time he is struggling but you would not bet against him fixing it.}
Klopp has lost the likes of Goetze, Lewandowski who are both world class and Gundogan, Bender, Subotic and Kuba to season long injuries. He coped and had them challenging on all fronts in spite of having half his first team on the treatment table, plus the money he spent on replacing these many players is a fraction of what clueless Brendan has spent on players of inferior quality.
23 Nov 2014 16:38:44
See the Express is putting two and two together and getting 6 again
Wouldn't say no to Klopp in charge tho he was my preference ahead of a Rodgers originally anyway
GET REAL! Why would Klopp come to us?!
Klopp is out of our league. He will probably end up as Pellegrini's replacement at City. Why would he come to a club unlikely to be in the UCL next season and unlikely to receive any money whatsoever for new players he would want?
Wants to manage an English club dortmunds season not going well has affection for our club and in Europe we're still seen as a top club apart from that no reason
23 Nov 2014 17:01:32
City might try a bigger name than klopp. Pep would be their target. Klopp loves challenges.certainly possible.
Fowler1969, all this talk about affection and the other blah blah is just rubbish. Klopp said some nice things about Man Utd as well but rejected them out right even though he could have spent all the money the have. What perks exactly could LFC offer him that Man City or Arsenal would not? We would be lucky to get De Boer, Klopp is just a fantasy.
Is that Harry eds?
{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}
Indian yes it's a dream acquisition but we are a massive club and should think big if we want to be regular title challengers and CL every season. We need to be aiming for the same names Chelsea, City, United are
If Klopp wants a top English club soon the only two realistic vacancies are us and Arsenal I don't consider us a lesser prospect than Arsenal
Living in the past fowler, we were a big team in the 80s, over achieved when rafa came and won no 5 but essentially we are in no better position financially from when parry owned us and if we are not careful with the debt we will return to the dark days of scrimping on 7 to 10m players again. Our owners cannot bankroll us indefinately and brendan was supposed to consolidate us so we could achieve success this season with another cl spot and possibly a cup success and repay the outlay of funds at the beginning of the season. We are losing money hand over fist. we are not a big club anymore my friend.
Hence why it is imperative to hand brendan his p45 and bring in someone who can steady the ship and at least get us a decent finish in the prem and possibly a european spot to bring in the extra income.
{Ed001's Note - Parry was never the owner.}
Really don't buy this theory that we aren't good enough for klopp to come to us. Dortmund and liverpool seem to have a close relationship and the dortmund fan base seem to root for liverpool as much as we root for them. Klopp also likes a challenge and has spent his entire career at dortmundwith little money and improving his squad, purely because of the passion the fans showed to him, which he gave back to them with loyalty. Really can't see klopp going to city to basically be an overpayed baby sitter for all the egoes in their squad, with millions to spend on players that would be bought basically for publicity.
Honestly believe liverpool or arsenal are perfect options for him and as probably the most likeable and down to earth man in football, i'd imagine he'd think the same.
Klopp got FC Mainz relegated and Dortmund took a chance on him when they were at the lowest point in their history when they avoided liquidation in the mid nowties. As to if he would come to us, we will have to see BUT he was very close to winning the CL and I guess he would relish a chance to get another shot at it and LFC is NOT the team that can give him that shot at.
23 Nov 2014 16:15:43
Hey ed001
Just wondering, obviously you don't think he is the right man now, but what was your feelings and opinions when fsg first took Rodgers on?
Do you think we need someone with the balls to drop gerrard?
{Ed001's Note - he was never my choice. I hoped he would prove to be the right one, but I wanted to promote Borrell as Bielsa was not an option.
If we got someone who would drop whoever wasn't performing, Gerrard included, then we would be better off.}
Ed001 the worst part is neither Steve Clarke or Borrell are at the club anymore. At least we could have had someone decent to step in as interim head coach so Brendan could leave as soon as possible. I just do not think either Marsh or Pascoe are up to the task and look more like yes man for Brendan (just my opinion) so either FSG approach someone like De Boer or Klopp and risk p****ng their clubs off or just give Kenny the job for the time being. The owners have been truly pushed into a corner.
I can't see Kenny saying yes (even if he was asked) after the way he was treated last time. What is he, a legend or a perpetual back-up manager?
Every time I look at Marsh and Pascoe I can't help thinking of Phil Neal as Graham Taylor's assistant constantly saying "yes boss".
Mr Dennis, i think Pascoe and Marsh are part of the problem. How the club found these two fit for purpose but refused to give Rodolfo Borrell and the other Spanish coach in the Academy setup a promotion and even let them leave is just mind boggling. Maybe Brendan had them 'Brendaned' because they refused to be his yes men and would have seen through his con artistry.
23 Nov 2014 17:48:36
@ Stoneage.
Kenny would caretaker for a couple of games because he has a hard time saying "No" to Liverpool. Not sure he'd want it for the rest of the season, though.
23 Nov 2014 16:12:23
Eds do you know who the adviser is advising the owners? I now see why you said it would be better if it was someone from the English game, they would better understand the significance of yet again capitulation to a bottom of the table team and the complete embarassment factor.
It says it all when watching Roys England team is more enjoyable.
{Ed002's Note - It is of no importance at this time.}
The likes of Sterling, Henderson, Sakho, Coutinho etc are on fire for their national teams yet they all play awful for LFC. Brendan has ruined these players, he has shown up to be a less than average manager which is why Reading got rid of him. They sacked him before it was too late, its time FSG do the same before the damage becomes impossible to repair.
Post-match interview says it all. Get the man out of his misery. Get De Boer / Klopp.
The summer Rodgers was brought in - I seem to remember murmurings of David Dein consulting
{Ed001's Note - he did consult.}
Dwarfonaboat, his face towards the end of the game said it all. He knows time is up, average manager who relied heavily on the SAS to pull the team out of the doldrums every single time and turns international quality defenders like Sakho, Lovren and Kolo into donkeys. It will be a long long wait before Brendan is offered a half decent job.
His situation in no longer tenable and he knows it. He`s on borrowed time and he knows he`s another two poor results fro the sack and he would nobody else to blame BUT himself.
23 Nov 2014 16:02:04
See you in the championship next sesson then, its a very close contest between us for most dissolutioned and dissatisfied fans in the country right now.
Hard to believe this time last year we we're both contesting the title of the most excited, what a difference a year makes
Thanks for the sympathy Gooner it's hard to think we've gone from almost champions to this disgrace in such a short time after losing our best player
Losing 2-1 to Man U is no disgrace getting beaten 3-1 to a club in the relegation zone after going 1-0 up after a minute is
I'd swap squads and manager at the moment you'll have a much better second half of the season unless me make major changes to management coaching and squad
The comparisons between us and our fortunes over the past year or so are very similar in many ways so its easy for both sets of fans to. understand how the other are feeling right now
The difference between us and arsenal is that they didn't lose there best player.
We just wasted all that money on no experience what so ever.
23 Nov 2014 16:38:30
Arsenal would still make a reasonable finish. We are in the worst news ever.
Gunner62, i believe both Arsenal and Liverpool have squads which are more than capable of finishing in the top4 without having to break too much sweat. Its the managers that are standing in the way of the success of the clubs. Both are stubborn, clueless and select their favorite lapdogs for every game even if their performances don't merit a start. How can u expect a team to deliver under such managers? At least Wenger won something years ago, Brendan on the other hand has a poor CV and should have never been given s much freedom and money as LFC manager.
The comparison is fair BUT the only diff is that we are able to sack our coach and Arsenal can`t do that. I`d rather be in LFC`s corner now because the owners can actually effect change while the board at Arsenal have no courage to do any such thing.
23 Nov 2014 15:18:50
Good luck Eds!
23 Nov 2014 15:50:25
Frustrating thing is that everyone knew Palace would be defensively tough/strong and use their quick players on the break.
Think Carragher called it right on TV - we're weak mentally and defensively and it's making us really easy to play against. Think I could coach a team to play Liverpool - something along the lines of 'Get stuck in, try and bully their players. Look for quick counter attacks.'
By all accounts, we've made the most defensive errors of any professional team in Europe! On that basis, it's surely time to say goodbye and thanks to Johnson & Skyrtel and give Lovren a rest?
To defend Rodgers slightly, we played well all of last season, despite what some posters say. We won 16 of our last 19 - and were top at Christmas, so that to me says we played well all season. The previous season we had a terrible start, but then took 2 points a game in the second half of the season.
However, it may be time for a change of manager unless Rodgers changes tactics. Seems to me that he has to go back to a conventional back four (no split centre backs) for now and look to grind out results. Surely the only point of playing an attacking formation like we are is to score lots of goals. We are barely creating anything, so may as well shore up at the back - and hope to nick some games.
Carregher also called it right when he says they lack leadership on the pitch. This must start at the captain who to me doesn't seem very enthusiastic these days. I could play for 90 minutes kicking a ball sideways like him and I've got arthritis. His days at top class are over and performances don't warrant a new contract. So bye bye Rodgers, Johnson and Gerrard. Carrying passengers in the team is equivalent to putting a 10 man team out every week. The only excuse is, we're they saving themselves for Wednesday's match.
Palace are well organised and difficult to beat, that's what BR said pre-match: what were we all expecting?
Think that is the mighty Palaces 2nd home league win of the season
Gerrard is a lead by example Captain (think CL 2005). I have never rated him as a 'man manager' though. Even last season, his head went down every time we went behind / conceded an equalizer when surely he should have been putting arms round people/geeing up the team/b0ll0cking people.
This season it looks like both his head and legs have gone. He shouldn't be in the team.
That said, I can only presume Johnson has a contractual agreement that says he has to play. He's been abysmal this season in terms of attitude and quality.
He'll be lucky to play in the Championship next season.
Like I said before aggerdo just like the hodgson times.
Stupid comments about weaker teams, we should be stuffing palace.
Keenone - been saying the same since this poor run started, all the high fives and slapping people on the back after a great warm-up (as seen again before today's game) doesn't mean a thing when the whistle goes.
Lavers - mine was sarcastic.
23 Nov 2014 16:45:06
Lols. BR having more excuses than ever.
If you have played any form of footie at a competitive level in your life, you would know that it doesn`t take that much to beat us atm and Carra made the exact observation. Palace did the bare minimum and still wacked us w/ 3 goals. PATHETIC! No bite, no desire, nobody want`s their shirts dirty, nobody wants tackle, make runs or stop the opposition at all costs. We make the same mistakes EVERY game and the opposition just sits back and pounces on said-mistakes they know will happen because we employ the samme failed system. I went to see the game knowing we wouldn`t win and even after we scored, I knew it wouldn`t last and it didn`t. Palace had 1 point in 5 games and we made them look like a top 4 tea. Only at LFC does a manager play two of the most error-prone defenders (Skrtl and GJ) get to play every game Toure (who played two blinders w/ the Ivory Coast and v RM) can`t get a game. The manager picks off-form players and plays a failed system and hopes it will pan out. Only a mentall-deranged person would continue to do insane things. All three goals were avoidable. BR has failed woefully and his situation has become untenable. If nothing is done, we will be in a relegation fight thru the season. Where do we go from here?
23 Nov 2014 15:18:04
Hi Ed001,
Is this the disastrous result you were talking about?
Or does it need to be worse?
Cheers,
{Ed001's Note - it certainly could be it.}
To think Palace gave us a 1-0 head start. Truely stuck in a rut, awful kick by Mingolet to give the opposition the ball for the second goal. You will go a long way to see kicking that bad.
You can see Rodgers knows what is coming his way.
23 Nov 2014 15:44:43
I think he could be gone if we fail to beat Ludogorets in midweek.
Personally, if I were Henry, I'd just do it now. Even though we won't get a permanent replacement by Wednesday, I reckon our chances of staying in the CL will double if Kenny's in the dugout as caretaker. Or even Carra.
I wonder if the three things in the envelopes were:
Brendan's tactics
Brendan's transfers
Brendan's stubbornness
Ed don't tease us u really think he could be gone even with champs league wed?
{Ed001's Note - not before the game but I think that has to be the decision made now.}
23 Nov 2014 15:57:15
It's time to get shut of the manager and this damn transfer committee.
Outplayed by Palace and it's not going to stop, lose lose lose that's all we do
How can it get any worse?
Keep on losing.
Well we not in the relegation zone, yet
We could get relegated AG, that would be worse.
DBOL - you mean lose, lose, lose, lose don't you?
KBL
I don't disagree with you Ed, but who will they put in his place until the summer? I can't see Ajax letting their manager go mid season.
{Ed001's Note - Ajax would allow De Boer to leave.}
This is relegation form, make no bones about it.
Really?! Then why not pull the trigger
Then go get him if he`s the guy they want.
23 Nov 2014 14:59:44
Here's something that I think people will agree with. When we lose the ball, we panic. We pass the ball around for 65% of the game or so, and half of that is wasted by players like Johnson playing negative football.
While on the back foot and prone to counter attack, we make Dwight Gayle and Yannik Bolaise look like bloody Ronaldo and Bale! I mean, why are they such a threat? Who even are they?! It frustrates me that our defence can't deal with (when it comes to football) nobodies.
{Ed002's Note - It is the "6 seconds of panic" - or "intensity" as The Nose refers to it now.}
To be a good team as we all can see you have tobe hard to break down. Last season we had the if they get 3 we get 4 think tank it don't win you nowt. BR is to proud to to say i'm getting it wrong. Get Carra in to train our backline. Fowler on attack. wouldn't no where to start on our mid and wingers.
What an embarrassing performance, absolutely fed up today!
Red Rum
Carra just said the same on Sky Sports!
23 Nov 2014 15:36:39
Been saying it all season, our ability to bring the ball out of the back has been terrible. Gerrard's been the worst offender, but he's by no means entirely to blame. The movement from whole team hasn't been good enough enough and quite often players seem to be positioned for long balls but then we're not actually playing them. I can only assume this is the result of tactical direction.
Everything else is a secondary concern right now. If we don't fix that, we won't win games.
23 Nov 2014 15:42:58
Hopefully Mr Rogers has reached the last page of the mega dossier he produced to con the Americans into giving him the job.
Suarez & an on fire Sturridge got us 2nd not Mr Rogers & his side kicks.
We can`t create, can`t score and can`t keep a clean sheet. Recipe for relegation and the sack.
23 Nov 2014 12:47:14
Seen the team news has brad Jones left the club or something .he couldn't do any worse then mingolet.in fact he might even be able to pass the ball to a liverpool player .
Got too agree with this . Jones' distribution will be far better . I can't stand this anymore . Been quiet on the whole BR thing and thought he was the saviour but it's just not good enough anymore . To much tinkering not enough thrust anymore . Why try and fix something if it's not broken . Last season was great this season isn't even average . Angry LFC fan
Jamesee
It`s broken and the guy can`t fix it because he isn`t willing to be flexible and make changes to the system and bench under-performers. He`s a gonner and he should have only himelf to blame.
23 Nov 2014 12:39:21
Line up: Migs, Jonno, Manquillo, Lovren, Skrtel, Allen, Gerrard, Coutinho, Sterling, Lambert, Borini
Doesn't address the central midfield problem area imo, but maybe with two up front we'll get around it by playing more direct. Here's hoping.
23 Nov 2014 12:46:07
I goofed, Lallana instead of Borini.
Could've sworn I saw a teamsheet with Borini in it, mind.
23 Nov 2014 12:52:55
I would play lallana over Sterling. Sterling has done nothing to cement a place. Tries to do very clever and loose the ball infinite.
Does not help when you keep on playing Sterling out wide when he is a much bigger threat centrally.
Rodgers going with two holding midfielders again and one up front when we do not have the players to suits this formation.
So f****** frustrating. Hope I am proven wrong.
23 Nov 2014 13:09:51
Won't make a blind bit of difference whether Sterling plays on the right or as the no. 10 if the central midfield doesn't give him at least a halfway consistent supply of passes in good areas.
I am happy with the team selection today. Great to see a front 3 of Lallana, Lambert and Sterling. I would have preferred Lucas and Allen, but I guess Gerrard has had a good rest and will be fit and ready to go. Also i'd prefer Kolo Toure to Skrtel and Moreno to Johnson, but I overall I am happy with the selection. Lambert deserves a crack and hopefully he will cement a starting place for himself.
I'm going to be positive and go for a 0-2 win for us with Lambert and Lallana to get the goals.
Come on boys, big performance today!
Red Rum
23 Nov 2014 14:31:16
And I'm a prophet. Sterling playing just off Lambert instead of on the right and he's still done nothing because he's barely seen the ball.
Gerrard is frustrating me so much! I'm sick of seeing him passing the ball to Skrtel and Lovren. Get your bloody head up and look for the forward pass for crying out loud!
Red Rum
23 Nov 2014 14:50:59
Something Red
You right. Sterling has been poor from close to 13 games.
Sterling, Gerrard and Skrtel have not played even 10 mins of good football this season yet they are permanent fixtures on the team sheet. This is a. Lear sign that BR does not have what it takes to lead the team. The best managers would have benched them and made them prove their place
23 Nov 2014 12:34:04
I predicted yesterday that BR would again show his inability to learn from mistakes by keeping same side again. Notable changes due to Hendo and Balo injuries, or maybe he is now saving the best players (Can, Toure, Moreno) for the CL game? I cannot understand how Can is not starting. On happy note, finally have three creative players in field at one time in Countinho, Lallana, Sterling. Let's hope CP don't overrun them
I was really hoping BR would prove me wrong today. When he went with a fresh lineup vs Madrid I really thought he was making changes that would signal intent. Today we were back to depressing football. Nobody on the pitch in Red (well, yellow) thought we could win. Gerrard, Johnson and Sterling seem only to be judged by whether or not they did something wrong as opposed to doing something positive. Neither would have played today on my team list. I can claim hindsight, but BR has had 15 games or so to reflect on failure. How can he not be coming to the same conclusion? I think he is lost as to what to do, and is hoping form just finds us. I must admit, a change of manager is definitely on the cards, particularly so given the owners history (in football and baseball).
I`ve posted often that BR won`t change and he didn`t. No need to be a genius to figure that out.
23 Nov 2014 11:30:56
It's not negative to predict a loss based on form and facts
So with liverpools forward line I can't see anything but a draw at best if liverpool defence can hold palace
Brendan . Keep it tight today or it's your neck son !
Well, you were right on. I think we all expected a loss today. That in itself speaks volumes about how far we've fallen. Infact, we are actually in free fall! We have a few teams below us but they are all playing better football so relegation talk is not out of the question.
23 Nov 2014 11:27:14
For me signing Rafa would be the best move LFC has made since signing him the first time. It would be as exciting as when we gave Kenny a 2nd shot. Rafa loves LFC and the City of Liverpool. Technically he lost his way a little when Pako Ayestaran left as together they were a great combination but if he convinced Cara to be part of the set up. What more can I say. I am not and never have been a fan of Rogers. People talk about what he done for us last season well I am afraid to say it was what Suarez done for us last season we need to be grateful for. Rodgers is a small fish in a big pond. LFC is not a training centre for managers we need a proven manager with a proven track record. Rafa ticks them boxes.
23 Nov 2014 12:48:55
Rafa is doing pretty well at Naples, Ain't he?
Knocked out from CL and Rumors breaking of a sack.
23 Nov 2014 14:28:35
Napoli are 3rd in Serie A atm. Better than 11th in the PL.
Actually were we ever as low as 11th in table beyond the first month of the season under Rafa? I don't think we were.
23 Nov 2014 15:38:22
I was thinking about "Rafa in Rodgers out" for a bit and mentally dismissing it as silly nostalgia.
But now, no matter what faults Rafa has, I'd carry him from Naples to Liverpool on my back.
I wouldn`t. He`s had his chance for 6yrs and blew it with his defensive tactics. He`s old news and should stay there.
23 Nov 2014 11:21:08
Well a showdown with the mighty Palace today with hardly any strikers fit and in the shadow of another transfer rumour about a player that will no doubt excite the fans in the form of Nathan Redmond, yet another player with 'potential'
We have for the record an academy full of 'potential' that will never get the chance to be a part of what we're doing as they'll get farmed out on loan never to be seen again.
I always hope for the win no matter what the circumstances but if we don't get a result against Palace who are also struggling big time then the nails won't just be in the coffin they'll be hammered down tight with no return,
Surely someone at the club either in a high position or someone involved from the clubs past player wise has had a word in his ear about what's going on and what's expected at a big club, we all assume he's making all the cogs turn the wrong way but surely everyone involved isn't so deluded as to think this million page dossier is going to come good?!
Im sorry but I for one am in the camp of goodbye Rodgers
23 Nov 2014 10:42:29
I simply find it incredible that Man Utds defence with its youngsters and smalling is more solid than ours. For me it simply comes down to coaching. I don't care who we buy! Unless we bring someone in to help in that area or simply replace the lot I just don't see our defence changing!
23 Nov 2014 11:56:10
They could of conceded 3 in first bit of match.
Arsenal let them off.
Stupid post! You can't of watched the match.
But on the other hand I agree our coaching is all wrong!
United defensively are poor, did you not see Arsenal woeful finishing?
Agreed. But only one thing matters at the end of the day boys. these types of comments like they should of lost, we had possession etc etc etc are simply excuses our coach gives us every week. the fact of the matter is our defense has been terrible since last season and still is. what do you guys want? go buy more players?
Nope! Just a new system and a new coach because if he can`t fix the defence in 3yrs then there is no hope for him.
23 Nov 2014 10:20:15
Let's have some positivity today. A win today and our season can turn around come on you mighty reds.
I've just thought of something positive;
Let's write to Balotelli (I know, I know - I'm assuming he can read), and tell him we moved stadium. Tell him from now on that we'll be playing all our games at the back of the dog kennels on moss side farm. Tell him we've signed several wee nippy lads and sure he'll never know the difference. Be sure tho to tell him not to change his game. Tell him to go up front and look crafty. Tell him to look as sneaky as possible. Tell him to bring a small mirror onto the pitch and tell him to look into it as he falls over. Tell him to do this as soon as the ball comes near him. Tell him, tell him to - PRLEASE! someone tell him to do one!
23 Nov 2014 09:59:03
Seen reports linking us with redmond always rated him myself. Watched him when he was at Birmingham any chance we will go in for him
Because we don't have enough promising young wingers?
More wasted money.
Jordan Ibe
23 Nov 2014 11:11:30
Like the man said, Jordan Ibe
Rodgers completely overlooking the talent we already have in favour of un proven 'not' world class players, if true that is
Im not worried anymore as he won't be here long enough for us to worry about the likes of Redmond
23 Nov 2014 12:54:53
Ibe in all reality would mock our purchase of Markovic.
More players will defo fix our issues.
23 Nov 2014 08:28:40
Hi eds and everyone.
Hope you are all well.
Do you think we have a chance of getting vela in the January window? Heard a few things and I wanted to ask the eds their opinion.
Thanks in advance
{Ed002's Note - No.}
23 Nov 2014 05:12:51
i really want BR to suck it up and build our team around suso. he was so good on loan at almeria. and there are some who you can almost tell are going to be good . front three of sterling/markovic suso and coutinho backed up by can and lucas with lambert up front . flanno toure sakho and moreno at the back, change the keeper to ward. show intent at least, when the first teams is hopelessly out of sorts why not try the second team. and what better place to try something than crystal palace. ask suso and coutinho to rip them apart .
Suso is not available as he went for groin surgery so doubt he will be available until the new year and Flanno is also injured.
IMO if Rodgers had to drop Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren and Gerrard then the team would already be better off.
23 Nov 2014 07:35:04
Akrubbishh
We made it late. Suso is off in the next window.
23 Nov 2014 04:32:54
Hi eds,
Just wanted to ask how did Rodgers' transfer dealings become so horrid since he joined us? He signed some real bargains at Swansea, e.g. Vorm, Sigurdssen (or however you spell his name), Graham and Routledge (might be a bit of a stretch but they did well enough in his time there), Leon Britton, Scott Sinclair, and neil Taylor.
Thanks eds.
{Ed001's Note - not sure I would say any of those were any better quality than what he has signed for us, and surely that would show the issue? He simply has a level and he has stuck to it, even though the level is below that needed to compete higher up the table.}
Let's not forget that playing for Swansea compared to LFC is on a completely different level. Look at Lovren last season for Southampton compared to this season for LFC.
I think we need to stop shopping and being held ransom for players who play for team which finish below us in the league?
Lovren, Lallana and Lambert combined cost us almost £50m and none of them have done anything to better the squad. Of course they could still come good and Lambert has hardly gotten a sniff but we could have shopped abroad for less than what we spent on those three.
Too many players signed this season and to many of the wrong players signed etc.
We did not need Lallana and and may as well have called a miss on Lovren, kept Agger and signed a replacement for Skrtel who only has a year and a half left at Anfield and will most likely not be offered a long term contract extension by FSG.
Rodgers and the committee should not be given another penny until Rodgers can get the new signings to start showing a return on investment. Lallana our most expensive signing this season is not even a regular show it just shows the ineptness of our transfer dealings.
23 Nov 2014 07:37:24
TBH ed01, I agree with your view. BR as a manager reached his limit and that's exactly been on the pitch.
There won't be any major improvement with anymore new signings.
He needs individual brilliance. Suarez, sturridge etc.
23 Nov 2014 02:55:08
hello eds,
Long time reader, great site.does Liverpool still have a chance to get into top 4?
is there a possibility that balotelli will be here this season and can he start playing like a top striker?
whom do u prefer if rodgers is sacked?
YNWA
{Ed001's Note - there is always a chance until it is mathematically impossible, even then another team could end up having points deducted etc, but it is highly unlikely we will get top 4 without a change. The only question is whether the change will come from Rodgers or whether we need to change him.
It is likely Balotelli stays, as there is little interest in him, but he is unlikely to start playing like a top striker because he quite simply isn't one.
Prefer? Bielsa. Not going to happen though, unfortunately. I don't see any outstanding candidates out there right now, I think we made a mistake not taking a chance on Borrell while he was at the club. If it was up to me, I would like that mistake rectified, even though he is unproven, there is no proven outstanding candidate that is within reach. We would almost all take Klopp in a heartbeat, but there is more chance of us winning every game between now and the end of the season after Brendan reverts back to last season's swashbuckling style and unleashes Suso as the focal point of the team....}
Going by our performances so far this season, i would be happy with a top 10 finish. Forget about UCL football next season if Brendan sticks to his world class formation which the players are incapable of executing and the whole world except Brendan can see it is not working. I give him the next 3 games to change his ways and improve results, otherwise he has to go. FSG need to be ruthless, the consequences of not finishing in the top4 could be dire next season.
23 Nov 2014 04:21:24
Klopp comment genuinely made me laugh but on a serious note. How good would you rate suso?
{Ed001's Note - I like him a lot, physically he is lacking, but so is David Silva and he doesn't do too bad does he? While Suso is not in Silva's class now, as a kid Suso was a better player, it is frustrating that he has not yet been given the chance to reach his potential. I personally think it is make or break time for the lad now. These next couple of seasons will decide his whole career, and to not even get a chance to play, no matter how bad our performances have been, before he got injured, is madness.}
23 Nov 2014 04:51:01
Thanks for the reply and make a point, has only played what 60 mins and managed a goal. Most of attackers have struggled that in 10 games
{Ed001's Note - it is sad that he has never been given the chance to prove people right or wrong about him.}
23 Nov 2014 05:53:25
Sorry to pester but can't sleep, if with Suso for example a player's career is hampered by a few years due to not giving a chance at a young age. Do you think they can still reach their full potential? Ian Wright springs to mind but think of a lot of LFC youngsters who I thought could have been good if given the chance
{Ed001's Note - it is very unusual for them to do so, that is why we remember the ones that do. Usually they just end up slipping away and become remembered for what could have been. Though it is not unusual for a player who was less skilled to make their way back up the divisions, the more skilled ones tend to just lose their way. I guess it is something to do with the mental make up required of a person to spend all their time learning the skills and flicks etc, as opposed to someone who just wants to play football and gets good at it.}
23 Nov 2014 07:40:58
To the above posters on Suso.
My take, Suso isn't a world beater but highly talented player. Suso is slow and the only reason he couldn't get a game last season with us preferring fast counter attacking set up.
BR changing the system to a much more possession based football should make Suso a regular player with him being a Kool and intelligent footballer.
No idea y are we seeing him.
23 Nov 2014 11:22:39
Pace and size isn't everything, iniesta isn't exactly rapid or athletic but for 2-4 years was in my top 5 players in the world. Zidane didn't beat any 100m records either
For me, Iniesta is better than Messi.
22 Nov 2014 23:22:58
Biggest game of Rodgers career tomorrow imo. A loss and he will have put one foot out the exit door.
I feel like I will know if he's learned anything as soon as I see the team sheet. If he starts with Gerrard, Hendo, Allen in midfield, I will know he has truly lost the plot. Anyone can see that all three have had poor season and don't function as a solid midfield unit. For me, Can, Lallana, and Lambert have to play, and probably same for Toure (and he could replace either Loren or skrtel). Sadly, I am 99% certain that Rodgers is going to start with Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Gerrard, Hendo, Sterling, Allen, Coutinho, Lambert.
Prove me wrong Brendan.
23 Nov 2014 07:42:39
Coop
Y do you want lambert to play? Hasn't scored a goal yet and on merit he wouldn't start.
He simply won't last whole 90 mts of high pressing and cannot beat a man with pace.
What else you see him over other players?
Agree on Can and Lallana
22 Nov 2014 22:27:08
Question for ed01,
If you were John Henry and wanted to revamp your transfer committee who would you hire as director of football. Is there a person who is just a really consistent, good judge of talent?
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - other than Cruyff? I guess no, though from all I have read over the last few days it seems Monchi would be a good choice.}