Liverpool Banter Archive April 24 2013

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24 Apr 2013 23:41:04
Sell Suarez, Sack Rodgers, Get Kloppe and back him, he has built a fantastic team at Dortmund, said it last year they are a great model to follow, brilliant football, fans and stadium.

How did Klopp go in his first year with Dortmund? We need to stick with the manager. A year was never going to be enough time to turn things around in the circumstances. Andy K

Koop dosen't want to leave Dortmund mate, so there's feck all point to this post

You either have it or do not have it and my opinion is br is a good lad but he does not have it but if he is there we have to back him and fsg with positive support. ynwa red mick tag

Yep sell our best player, sack a manager who is building a team, go for a manager who will not leave then be back to square one. Even if he magically came to us and we wernt title winners you'd want him sacked

We tried that 12 months ago and Klopp laughed at us.
Why would he leave Dortmund for Anfield?

Who the hell is koop if your going to knock the post utleast get the name right muppet.

25 Apr 2013 10:30:32
I am not sure about Klopp.
But almost certain louis van gaal laughed us.
so did deshamps.

24 Apr 2013 23:39:51
ed02 see u have mentioned pere guardiola couple times tonight that's his agent is there something going on cheers
mike {Ed002's Note - I suspect time will tell better than I.}

24 Apr 2013 23:07:29
A message to all who want LS sold. if that were to be the case it would probably set us back another few years in a champions league challenge as there is absolutely no way we would bring in a replacement anywhere near his level.
Knowing our management, we'd probably spend the money we receive for his sale on Benteke, Ince and Remy or some other 'big fish, small pond' player and expect that to be enough.
Our aim should be adding quality to support Suarez and build the team around him as its a miracle we even managed to get him from ajax in the first place, and trust me, in our current situation there isn't a player of his quality on this planet we'd be able to sign to replace him.
So let's all just chill out, put this incident in the past, move on and finish the end of the season as well as we can, hopefully giving players like Assaidi and Suso a go in the team because I really have high hopes for both even with their limited playing time this season.
Come January, we need an extra forward even with suarez in the team, so let's buy a good quality one who can fill in and then later play alongside him.

Personally i'd like to see us go for Eric Lamela of Roma, think he's the type of player we should be after; skillful, good dribbler, scores a few, and Roma aren't the team they were so he'd be making a step up.
Also think we should look at Itturbe from Porto (on loan at river plate currently), as he will be something very special in a few years and will likely end up at some big club, so would be a real coup if we could get him early.

Lengthy post I know, but yeah, the main point is suaez shouldn't be sold!

RDR {Ed002's Note - Is see that Pere Guardiola has remarkablby appeared on the scene tonight.

24 Apr 2013 22:58:31
Fairly staggered and annoyed that the club has releAsed a statement against the ban. Regardless of what they thought internally they had an opportunity to regain the respect of the footballing community by coming out with a simple statement along the lines of:
Liverpool Football Club and Louis Suarez both accept the ban given by the FA for the indefensible conduct shown by Louis in the incident with Bransilav Ivanovic. We would like to take this time to make it clear that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable at our club and that Louis has also been disciplined internally and will be taking up the FA's offer of anger management through the PFA. Louis Suarez will return a better player, a better person. We would like to apologise to the footballing community for an even which is both unacceptable and embarrassing for our club. From this point forward Louis will receive the full support of the club in overcoming any issues he may have.

But no, we make ourselves look like fools again, did they learn nothing with the Dalglish-Suarez-Evra farce?
No matter what we believe behind closed doors we have to play our cards close to our chest and play the FA at their own game to the benefit of our club.

Anfield Andy

The statement should have said 'we are not shocked, nor surprised, but we are disappointed :)

They are right in waiting for the full report before making further comments

24 Apr 2013 22:49:01
With Suarez and Borini out for the season, do you think Rodgers will give a few of the younger lads (Yesil, Ibe, Adorjan, etc) who haven't had the chance yet, to get a few games in the first team?

It wasn't looking like we were going any further up the table anyway and the teams below us (West Brom and Swansea) are dropping back as well, so it's not going to affect our league position.

Borini is back in full training, but Sturridge will just take over the role Suarez played, with younger players maybe getting more bench time!

Wasn't coady on the bench for chelea>

Suso has been spoken to about stepping up.

Coady was, and Ibe was on the bench for Southampton

I would Texiera a few games. He is the stand out player in my opinion.

The Irish Rover

24 Apr 2013 22:34:31
Hi any eds. Is it possible lpool will do the same as QPR last season and loan SUAREZ out like they did Barton. Only to recall him? Thanks {Ed002's Note - No.}

24 Apr 2013 22:20:17
I have several points to make over the Saurez arm chomping affair.
After much consideration (and a good hour flicking through todays page) I have decided (perhaps wisely). to keep my opinions to myself!

up the reds.

24 Apr 2013 22:10:42
Now Sturridge has an opportunity to show us what he can do in the central striker role. I hope he continues the fine form from sunday.

McB

24 Apr 2013 22:08:59
My my well that was an expensive bite. Next time try a burger Mr Suarez!

Bet you didn't expect that bill!

M

24 Apr 2013 22:03:00
Would love to see the fans at Anfield like it was at Dortmund tonight, truly was excellent. The players clearly rise to the atmosphere and show there appreciation to the supporters in every game.

We did use to be like this but now it seems flat (most of the time at Anfield). We are building and hopefully soon we can rise to such heights again.
Really hope it's a Dortmund Bayern final and have a sneaky feeling Dortmunds name is on the cup with exploits of tonight and the last round.

I was surprised at hearing from the studio that Lewandowski's contract runs out this summer or next possibly but is leaving regardless. Eds do you think we would even consider offering a package to him, even with every club in Europe wanting him?

Jonesred

I think he'd be good cover for Falcao and Cavani, who themselves would be covering for Suarez during his ban.
There's no chance, in my opinion.
Rigsby.

24 Apr 2013 21:48:51
People should accept the ban, what they should worry about more is the damage this is doing to the club. Every time the media mentions Liverpool they always attach Suarez, the Suarez who racially abused a player and the Suarez who took a bite out of a player.

I remember how the media used to talk about Liverpool, and the next line would be, the GREAT Liverpool side of the 80s who played a beautiful passing game with total respect for the game and opponents.

Shame Really

Evered

I don't support Liverpool and am amazed at how so many of your fans don't give a toss about your clubs perceived reputation. They seem to think it makes no difference to the club, Christ what would Shankly and all the other great managers make of it.

Such a bunch of numbnuts!

Come on mate, doesn't matter what Liverpool F. C do, we could be like saints and our reputation would still somehow get muddied while Man united run the F. A and Murdoch runs sky and most of the media.

(the GREAT Liverpool side of the 80s who played a beautiful passing game with total respect for the game and opponents)

Come on that was 25-30 years ago now! Liverpool are going no where fast.

with out suarez ( your key player even for all his faults ) you will find it very hard to sign world beaters and top class players plus the fact you have not had champions league for a long time now, A top 10 finish next year must be the aim for liveropool next year.

24 Apr 2013 21:37:58
Hi eds

What do you guys and everyone in general feel that the arrangements of the squad will be following the ban of everyones favourite midget. The ban might actually be a good thing in retrospective, we have nothing left to play for so we could bring in some youngsters or try diferent things.

As regards to the result last night, the owners said they wanted the football of the 70s and 80s, but that football wasnt tiki taka, it was simplistic 'pass and move is the Liverpool groove'. Bayern play in this simple way, so do united (you never hear fergie banging on about tactical crap, di canio said the same). Shankly once said something about football only being about the ability to recieve and control a pass. Siimple.

Fortunately I have a lot of time, sympathy and respect for brendan. He seems a top bloke and really seems to be the man for the job. I really hope he does well in the future.

Anonymous woolback

24 Apr 2013 21:22:45
great to see dortmund singing ynwa tonight, our fellow cousin club has my respect and luck for the final

YWNA whether you be red, green and white or yellow

Erm, our fellow cousin club is Mönchengladbach and I think it is utterly disrespectful that they (Dortmund) sing it. Ps - they don´t care about what it means to us, take it from a German Lpool supporter who has spoken to a fair few of their fans.

24 Apr 2013 21:18:41
Hi eds, do you know of any interest in Inter Milan keeper Samir Handanovic?

Cheers

Red Dave {Ed002's Note - Not from Liverpool.}

24 Apr 2013 21:13:22
I enquired after the Euros, about trying to get Lewandowski and hoped it would come true, nothing more than a pipe dream now. Ah well, let's see who the club draft in to cover Suarez's absence. I still think we need another high profile/calibre striker, I don't think Borini is the answer but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

PaddyB 75
YNWA

24 Apr 2013 19:27:13
Hi eds, Is it true that Henrikh Mkhitaryan has changed agents in hope of trying to force through a move to the BPL?
Also the defender Zambrano that we are interested in, any fresh news on him and do you rate him?
Thanks, - Rookie {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

24 Apr 2013 18:59:14
Ed002, I agree to a certain extent, in relation to the Suarez bite, that he deserves the punishment he gets. However, I disagree with you on comparison to other events. People are always going to compare, it's human nature.
My point.
The FA is a Governing Body who enforce the laws of the game which gives them jurisdiction over that game. Surely, previous precedent set by themselves should be binding? From reading your posts you come across as articulate and intelligent but surely there should be cases that form precedent, or the FA will always be accused as bias. Just wondering your thoughts on that? You and Ed001 do a fantastic job on here and I don't understand how you cope with half of the posts.
Just for the record, my personal opinion, Suarez is a liability to the football club and IS replaceable. He deserves the 10 game ban.
Cheers
Moody {Ed002's Note - I think the ban harsgh - I think the offence appalling in terms of grownm up footballers.}

Sorry Ed, you may have misunderstood my question. Basically, I was wondering if you had any insight into how the bans are derived? From what you have said, there seems to be no case law or precedent used when assessing how long a ban is. Which leaves the whole system very open to any sort of bias accusations. To me it seems like, with any of these type of bans, that a ballpark figure is plucked from the sky, with very little justification for the said conclusion.
Cheers
Moody {Ed002's Note - I have dealt with that but they are derived from an opinion on the offence taking account of previous behaviour.}

24 Apr 2013 18:33:18
Anyone else noticed Ed002 dosn't say see earlier answers when it comes to critisizing Liverpool players.

Only joking Ed002 I appreciate you repeatedly explaining to fans how other players incidents have nothing to do with suarez treatment, LS deserves 10 game ban for being a tit, and dosn't deserve to wear the famous red however great he may be.

Sort yourself out luis your no use to anyone part time. {Ed002's Note - I try to read what I can. Sometimes the vegetables are over restless.}

24 Apr 2013 21:36:18
Hi to all I am first time poster following Liverpool 30 yrs rremember going to games as child in Ireland dalglish rush Whelan etc good times but this has been bad week not worst by long way ie heysel Hillsborough gunners winning league on last day so we need some prospective looking at dortmund and bayern two extremely well run clubs especially dortmund we need to be patient it's hard I know and this suarez thing ain't helping but however hard it is we must accept it and move on he was stupid and needs to learn to control himself and he can become a truly great player with Liverpool I am sorry that some people are giving eds abuse it's not on let's move forward not dwell and become bitter. We need 2 commanding cb commanding cm attacking mid and quality winger ynwa

24 Apr 2013 21:35:50
Suarez hey! all he needs is some help, its like a drug/ smoking addiction, he needs some help to get rid of those gremlins. if we sold him who would we buy with the same ability to turn defences into jelly?
Also respect to the 96! Been to anfield a few times this season and although i'm not from Liverpool you will never walk alone and never be forgotten!

Utter rubbish. his ban should stand

Totally agree! he needs the help and support of a professional, its not a one off, which kind of tells the story. He must have emotional gremlins that makes him react like he does. He may get paid a fortune but if he has mental issues which he can't always control then he isn't the only one. A lot of people need help with mental issues from star footballers to joe bloggs the window cleaner, he is only human. People are to quick to hang the condemned man nowadays without a thought of maybe showing a little humanity in helping those that need help. The people that actually react and hit out are the people who are crying out for the help. With Suarez let's be honest, he didn't actually murder, maim or destroy a life. Bloody hell, he may as well change his name to Jesus he has already been crucified.

24 Apr 2013 21:05:22
OK let's all suck it up and move on we all agree he should be punished, we was all shocked at the lengthy ban, hope we don't appeal becuase it could be frivolous and we'd be moaning even more! This is nobody's fault but Suarez' so in fighting between us and abuse to the eds is daft we've got a good enough squad to see out the season an will be prepared to start next season without Suarez and then he's back! Unless he's sold of course, I've got a great feeling about Borini next season many of us have written him off already but given a fair crack and he'll be great I'm sure. Anybody disagree with this? In the words of Taylor swift "I new you where trouble when you walked in!"

I've seen nothing from Borini that suggests anything other than mediocrity.

24 Apr 2013 20:54:50
Any one else think we should sell Suarez for around £50-60m and reinvest that on 2/3 good foreign attacking players
Could be better for the team overall
Also, if the money is well spent unlike Dalglish then we could have a good team ready for next season
What do you guys think?
Who would you sign?
Thanks
D. V.

Good luck in trying to get 50-60 million for what accounts to damaged goods.

Yep we could buy 3 Swansea players with that money.

24 Apr 2013 22:35:14
Can Rodgers really attract players without champions league, especially to replace a player like Suarez I doubt, Is selling Suarez good for team interms of football I doubt, we are helpless at this moment, selling suarez at this moment is same as breaking Liverpool`s backbone and making us handicape on pitch, at the end of the day we are a football club, any decision should be about on pitch rather then of pitch, and he is too good a player for us when comes to on-pitch, selling Suarez and falling to replace him will take us backwards and the reaction from fellow kopites will put too much pressure on Rodgers who many fellow kopites don't like him and will be the end for him if we don't progress next season, anfield will be calling for his head.

24 Apr 2013 23:06:38
Mate selling Suarez is not an issue but replacing him is big issue, imagine if Rodgers fails to replace him, how will the fans react, how will it impact on our season, replacing Suarez is no a joke mate, he has scored more then 30 goals and still we are 7-8th that's how a poor team we are, now if Rodgers fails to replace him imagine what will happen.

Suarez is by no means damaged goods. the guy is a warrior although human, he's worked too hard to get where he is to let 3 individuals and a ten match ban damage him.

24 Apr 2013 20:55:10
Hi eds, first time posting here. Can someone please answer a question. Who do you think will mostly likely join us?

Roobert the red. {Ed023's Note - Very hard to tell right now. Welcome to the site}

24 Apr 2013 20:38:40
Evening any idea why my post wasn't showing cheers and don't give in to the brain dead people who are trying to ruin it for us decent LFC FANS keep up the great work thanks as always for your input JON96 {Ed023's Note - No idea about your post but thanks for the support Jon}

24 Apr 2013 20:36:51
Any idea what are Liverpools plans for Suso next season? I think we should see more of him next season in the first team squad. {Ed023's Note - I assume that will be discussed in the summer. Perhaps a loan deal, perhaps more action as you said.}

24 Apr 2013 20:23:18
You cannot condone what Suarez has done, and he has brought it all on himself, and his reputation will now precede home for the rest of his career.

I am not surprised one bit that he received a 10 game ban from the FA.

However, you have to question how the FA arrive at their decision on what punishment fits the crime.

Biting a fellow pro is a scandalous action to take, but is it any less disgusting than spitting an opponent, or punching, head butting them, even stamping?

Suarez could have taken any of the above actions to inflict damage on Ivanovich and would no doubt have got a shorter ban.

The FA disciplinary panel is riddled with inconsistency, whether it be actions against players or managers, and before anybody tells me I am wrong, I suggest they look up some of the previous bans and fines handed down.

GP29

24 Apr 2013 21:08:14
Agree 100%

Surely if he got 7 match ban in Holland then it must follow it would be worse

That's not my point Pardoe, I don't dispute the fact he has got form and deserves punishment.

Think of all the bans handed out by the FA, I think somebody has listed the major ones on here, and then wonder how the FA arrive at decisions.

For example, 2 Managers get charged with swearing at a ref, 1 gets a ban and the other does not?

Defoe bites a player and gets a 1 match ban, yet Suarez gets 10?

Di Canio pushes a ref and gets 11 yet Prutton gets 10?

Thanks,
GP29

24 Apr 2013 20:20:34
If say, Rooney had done this bite, what would you say would be a fair ban.
I hate the and especially that little fat shreck but I'd still expect no more than 6 games. {Ed023's Note - Why don't you just stop making comparisons? I was embarrassed the other day when Suarez did what he did, but I'm just as embarrassed now when hearing my fellow Liverpool fans abuse editors who keep this site going for free!!}

24 Apr 2013 20:13:08
After seeing the best pl club (hard to say their name) win the league and watching champions league this week I find it more and more depressing being a Liverpool fan. we are trying to play a barca type stlye yet are nowhere near them in terms of anything and look how they got a spanking with their tippy tappy by a team who play more like united do of this league. we are getting so far behind over clubs in terms of football, money, european football, stadium size and fans are getting quieter by the season. predictions on where we will be in 5 years would be nice to hear other thoughts but mine aren't good and the further behind you get the harder it is to come back without a sugar daddy. {Ed023's Note -

Best post I've seen on here in a while. Roy Rodgers hasn't got a clue. Former Acadamy manager but has nearly ruined Sterling, destroyed Susos confidence and Shelvey looks half the player. The handling of Downing, Carroll and Skrtle has been Appauling. His team selections/ formations are ridiculous, possession rubbish. Progress?What progress?

We totalled 52 points last season, won a cup and reached the final of another. We won 6 home games last season and FSG/ Roy Rodgers put a spin on it saying it won't happen again, Lucas out for 6 months, Suarez 10 match ban throughout the season and our captain missing in action.

Well our captains had a full season, Suarez has played out of his skin and should be player of the season, £50 mill net spend and as things stand cup runs a distant memory and we stand at 51 points, likely finishing on 58. I don't see that as progress. The man should be shown the door. Instead while Rome burns, Roy Rodgers keeps playing he
fiddle.

Ozone

I think the 'Downing treatment' has been effective look at the performance turnaround. I'm sure Downing even respected his honesty.

RobInRed

24 Apr 2013 20:11:56
1 positive from this ban. Our position in the fair play league will probably improve.

24 Apr 2013 20:10:04
What would happen if next time he gets frustrated with a defender, Suarez looks at him, grabs his head with both hand and slaps a great big sloppy one on his lips?

Maybe this should be his counselling!

24 Apr 2013 20:08:29
well 10 games, its a massive ballache for the club and I hope suarez is feeling suitably contrite, the big daft lump.

I still want him to stay of course, but I doubt he will. His wife and kids must think its like living with a more violent basil fawlty than a footballing millionaire.

Given he's now likely to go my mind turns to who can replace him, at least for the first 6 games of the new season. So I wonder if any of the eds know whether sturridge and borini were at chelsea at the same time and if so, how they linked up togethe?

We didn't really see enough of Borini to form a opinion, but I wonder if coming back in a starring role, without being in suarez's shadow might be a good thing for Borini to find his feet? Would love to hear an Ed's opinion if your not busy

Thanks

Andy H {Ed001's Note - I don't actually know, they would have been in the reserve or youth system team together, if they did.}

24 Apr 2013 20:04:48
The following was taken from the tv News site.

Let's just accept it now kids and move in.

In comparison to the other examples, it's actually fair.

9 months - Manchester United's Eric Cantona for 'kung-fu' kicking a supporter in 1995
9 months - Chelsea keeper Mark Bosnich who tested positive for cocaine in 2003
8 months - Rio Ferdinand of Manchester United for missing a drugs test in 2003
7 months - Sacked Chelsea striker Adrian Mutu for failing a drug test in 2004
12 games - QPR's Joey Barton for two counts of violent conduct against Manchester City players in 2012
11 games - Sheffield Wednesday's Paolo Di Canio for pushing referee Paul Alcock in 1998
10 games - Southampton's David Prutton for shoving referee Alan Wiley in 2005
10 games - Luis Suarez for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic in 2013
9 games - Paul Davis of Arsenal for punching Southampton's Glenn Cockerill in 1988 and breaking his jaw
8 games - Luis Suarez for racially abusing Patrice Evra in 2011
8 games - Man City's Ben Thatcher for elbowing Portsmouth's Pedro Mendes in 2006

DaveyBootle

Fair post Davey.

Good to see somebody with a bit of common sense at long last!

Add to the list above;
1 yellow for Defoes premeditated bite on aponent

10 games is just right then going by that list.

Joey barton two accounts of violent conduct 12 match ban

Suarez 2 account of violent conduct 10 match ban. seems fair right?

some say he did it before this time it should be more, and what Barton hasn't had a violent conduct charge (in a football match) before?

Drug testing has nothing to do with violent conduct the rules on failing a drug test are clear.

I think elbowing or punching someone as well as a headbutt is worse. The bite was stupid and I don't condone it. Fellaini assaulted Shawcross 3 times in the same game and only got a 3 game ban. What Ben Thatcher done to Pedro Mendes was extremely dangerous and I honestly believe warranted a much bigger ban.

24 Apr 2013 20:02:28
Do you know of any interest from any teams interested in Ilkay Gundogan?

24 Apr 2013 20:01:02
Not surprised but disappointed by the 10 game ban. In fact. Saurez will come back from this stronger and so will the club.

He is to blame and although it does seem LFC and its players get treated unfairly this is in fact part of being part of one of the biggest clubs in the world (terms of exposure).

As a player for LFC you will get the fame and the exposure but with it comes responsibility. In the last few years we have had some stupid things occur racism, tweet abuse, biting, diving and DJ punching. Although out side LFC we may seem to be targeted and picked on we have also seen some of the best responces from the footballing world for our fight for Justice for the 96. The truth is the club does some amazing work with charity and community/world projects and its players.

Saurez should take it on the chin as an appeal could lead to the farce of tshirts and an increased ban. Saurez should lay in the pre season friendlies and at least pay back to those that support LFC from far. LFC should keep its head up and come back stronger and better also it allows for others to step up now, Personally if we have a good start to the season getting Saurez back can only make us better as no doubting his value to the team.

The FA will be scrutinised for any decision but precedent is a dangerous thing as the next player to commit a unseen offence will be punished. One more point Rafa and CFC helped LFC and saurez big time so in my opinion if this was an offence against Man united player Sir Alex would have never ever shut up or rested until Saurez was sold.

Moroccan Red

24 Apr 2013 19:59:01
I might be wrong
But, 10 match ban for biting is too much. U may argue that the previous incidents are taken into account, but every incident has to be dealt with level of the intensity.
If such case, every tackle that Showcross makes should be worth of red card taken into account taking his reputation. I am posting as a Football fan, a 10 match ban on biting incident is too much for the liking.

24 Apr 2013 19:58:26
fair play to Chelsea over this suarez saga they have kept there dignity by not getting involved in this stupid act from suarez i'm sure if it was Manchester United we would have been slated from every corner for what he did and yes he deserves the ban he has got, i'm not shocked like others are he fully warrants a ten game ban for his stupidity you cannot go round biting people he has let our great club down again and he will again if he stays any longer sell him for the best price we can get and move on from this sort of bad image he creates for us like isaid well done to Chelsea from this hope you get champs league footy. MIKEYLFC4LIFE.

24 Apr 2013 21:19:22
and if it was rooney who had done something to one of your players yous would still be moaning in 2030

24 Apr 2013 19:50:52
Hi guys! Just one question for ya. Do u think lfc will appeal the 10 match ban? Cheers

24 Apr 2013 19:50:28
am I the only one on here a bit tired off the saurez bite affair let's just move on he done the crime and now has to take his punishment.

24 Apr 2013 19:49:08
Red Tony hope you and your son have a great derby day & we get the right result Redthrough

24 Apr 2013 19:48:10
I'm tired over the last 5-6 years of

changing managers
Changing owners (although new ones seem ok)
Nearly going in to receivership
Constant speculation that our best players are going to leave
Some Best players leaving
Poor decisions on player purchases
Club image going through mud through poor choices with public relations
Suarez and his constant controversies. Missing chunks of season every year, 8 last year, 4 this year and 6 next. Tired of the phrase '. For racial abusing Evra!"

It's supposed to be a game not a piggin soap opera. And I can't stand soap opera's either!

24 Apr 2013 19:54:50
As well as changing the rules on retrospective action, I think 4th officials should be able to tell refs during a game of any off the ball incidents of any violent conduct so they can be dealt with when they happen.

Well said ed001 at least u get what people have been saying.

24 Apr 2013 19:44:30
It's quite easy to understand why so many fans are annoyed by the ban length - just read Paul Tomkins article on the FA and Suarez - seems to make sense. So when you read things like that and agree with it, it becomes difficult to ignore. He deserved a massive ban but I wish the FA would sort it out and come up with some kind of system that brings it into context with other incidents. And no matter if you got a red or yellow card at the time - it shouldn't matter. If something is worthy of a longer ban then they should dish out the punishments to every player - ie. Huth stamp on Suarez - because that was certainly violent conduct yet went unpunished. How is that allowed to happen?

Fowler99 {Ed001's Note - that is the point, not that Suarez is hard done by, but that other punishments are far too soft and fail to reflect the severity of the crime.}

24 Apr 2013 19:42:07
Quick word of thanks to the Ed's for the excellent work they do keeping this site updated - esp in the face of some of the tripe that gets thrown their way on days like today.
The ban is what it is, no point arguing about it. What we do now is the most important thing, and I must admit, i'm torn.
Do we appeal?, and if we do or we don't, what then?
Heart says stick by him, close ranks and get him the help he needs. He's our player.
Head says make all the noises about standing by him, but move him on (for an acceptable bid, obviously), he won't change and we don't need the hassle.
Be interested to know what people think
Rich

24 Apr 2013 19:35:34
Right,

a) bit annoying that Suarez is banned for 10 games and personally think it is a little excessive considering you could hypothetically get a 3 game ban for breaking someones leg with an intentionally high / late tackle.

b) However, you can see why the FA have done it. if he bring a bad reputation to himself, Liverpool and English Football, it is in everyone's best interests to impose a harsher sentence; it is a deterrent.

c) Hopefully Suarez will learn his bloody lesson this time, but history suggests not. He is 26 now so should have realised you can't bite people or be racist.

d) frankly, abusing the eds is absolutely Insane for simply providing you with info / truth and literally helps no-one. If you want to vent your petty frustrations keep it to facebook and don't hide behind an alias.

Thanks Eds you do a smashing job. {Ed001's Note - just to point out, he was not found guilty of being racist.}

Sorry, thanks ed!

24 Apr 2013 19:31:32
I really don't think that Suarez is going to learn anything from this, another controversy is in my opinion inevitable. How many times will we need to defend him and where will we draw the line?

The comparisons to other bans are pointless, each incident is different and just because they failed to punish previous offences does not set a precedent.

I don't think the club should contest the decision, the FA are more likely to increase it than shorten it. If they reduce the ban they are saying the got the initial decision incorrect.

24 Apr 2013 19:30:26
Just watching youtube videos of he who may not be spoken of and it puts me in a teary state.
A real anticlimax and even he must watch videos and think where he and LFC could have been now had he stayed. suarez is world class and carries us just like nando did, but wow most of his goals were special and made a mockery of defenders and keepers. The two of them together which is what was planned would have been truly awesome. please don't shut me down or slag me off i'm simply appreciating the player he was for us and not the mistake he made. I believe in the years to come as the hate slowly dissapears or lessens (in some cases)we will truly begin to realise what he did for us and how special he was.

LYON KING

You really need to look yourself in the mirror and give your head a wobble.

24 Apr 2013 19:26:24
very lenient ban we got away with it, let's put this in another perspective if he had got a serious injury on sunday say like kellys or lucas. we would still have to cope with it. the way I see it is that the others will have to get their fingers out.

alan waddle

24 Apr 2013 19:24:37
10 games, I will settle for that. 6 games next season. that's the problem, dragging this mess into next season. we seem to be always running into some problem or another every 6 months. I want him to stay at anfield. I love him to bits, how many of you reds want him to stay, how many want him sold.

I would sell him, but I have always been of that opinion. I think in Liverpools position they should sell Suarez to improve maybe 2 positions overall in the team. Suarez for £40 million and buy 2 players at £20 million each. Maybe a forward and a quality midfielder.

The Irish Rover

24 Apr 2013 19:24:12
Forget all this Suarez nonsense, he's banned for 10 games for biting end of. Wait till summer to see if he goes. Right now I think it's fair to say Europe's not happening, I'd like to see more of our youngsters playing the last few games what u think?

I think we have to put our strongest team out. I know what you mean about trying youth players but if we are still wanting to count this season as proggres then we need to finish the season as strong as possible. We are not in any cup finals or haven't won anything but the progress can be in the league. let's just win as many games as we can and see where we end up. Hopefully other players will step up and be our hero's for the remainder of the season. Cheers
YNWA
Jamesy

Origional poster - do you mean just to give up before its over? You obviously didn't watch a certain final in 2005!

mikehoopersgloves

24 Apr 2013 19:13:42
It is quite frightening how many who post on here so quickly turn to abusing the editors. Your life must be unbelievably dull if you turn into an 'internet terrorist' every time somebody has an opinion that differs from yours. It is even more worrying that it appears to be Ed002 receiving the majority of the abuse, when he/she has been spot on all day regarding Suarez. I've had my disagreements with Ed001, but I wouldn't turn to abusing him because his opinion varies to mine. It doesn't half ruin it on here, as there can be no decent debates, as people just resort to hurling abuse, and pathetic remarks. It is also the case when fans who support a different team post on here. Some people need to grow up.
JFT96
Smithy

I said as much last week. It has turned into a war zone on this page and a lot of the good posters are now no where to be seen. If you happen to go onto the Utd banter page you don't see any abuse to posters or eds. I don't know if the pages are run differently.

The Irish Rover

Completely agree smithy.

24 Apr 2013 19:13:32
Hello Ed 001, hope all is well. Bit of a change in todays topic but many of us fans are quite excited by the potential in our academy however I was just wondering, do you know how our academy is viewed outside of the club? Is it highly rated by others?

Many Thanks {Ed001's Note - it is very highly rated, hence our invite to the NextGen tournament in its inception year, last season. They picked the cream of the crop to invite.}

24 Apr 2013 19:13:01
Can't do that - why punish the sound minded reasonable posters / readers who value your opinion & knowledge ed

Why don't you make it so only registered users can post and if anyone gets too abusive - ban them

Or would that be a nightmare to administer? Just a suggestion. I really don't want the skum of this world to ruin it for the rest of us. Some people will never be able to have a decent debate. {Ed001's Note - we do ban IPs anyway, it is just that it can end up that we spend more time banning people than posting up things!}

True - but if you have to log in to post once you ban them they won't be able to repost from a different pc / mobile. You'll only end up banning the same person once

Having to login and leave an email address will put off a lot of the trolls

Just trying to help mate that's all - can't be nice having to read through all the trash daily {Ed001's Note - some people don't want to log in, though I do agree it would be easier that way!}

24 Apr 2013 19:02:00
How are Liverpool shocked exactly.?

What would peter Robinson have made of all this.? The current management need a reality check

Let's try to retain some credibility and flog him to the highest bidder

There are other players. Enough is enough. It will only be a matter of time before he does something perhaps worse and no one will touch him with a barge pole. He s not even returning our loyalty. Hence this behaviour and his recent come and get me plea to top clubs

Totally agree enough is enough we should be looking to replace him with the the next jackson martinez who is now one of the hottest properties in europe and who was available last year at a resonable price these players are out there {Ed023's Note - That's great but when we sell Suarez for whatever price and replace him with a 5m striker, will the fans be happy? }

There are players out there though. If we can get 45 mil for him we could pick up Michu, bent eke, remy, plus sissoko from Newcastle. I would rather those four (for instance- not suggesting they are all available but equivalents and better will be)

Now is the time to cash in. We cannot afford another incident like this. He doesn't want to stay anyway he said himself he's available to top clubs

I understand your point Ed023, but why do you think we would replace Suarez with a 5 million pound striker? When we sold Torres we did not do that so I don't think that would happen.

And even if it were to happen, who's to say he wouldn't turn into a Lewandowski who I'm pretty sure was a ridiculously cheap price.

Im just fed up with Suarez' garbage now. Sick to death of reading about him saying something stupid about diving, leaving, other clubs, the Fa etc when on international duty and then have him do dumbass, disgusting things like this when playing for us. In my opinion if he is kept, the club are not standing by their motto that 'No one is bigger than the club'. But that is just my opinion.

Love to know your thoughts mate.

Cheers,
KiwiRed {Ed023's Note - Hi mate... Couldn't agree more with all your points. I just feel if we sold him for let's say 40 million and replaced with an unknown guy an 8th of what we received for Suarez then there would be up roar, Henry would be slated on Twatter - Rodgers would be booed etc. The guy coming in will probably be deemed a flop before he has touched a ball. If/when Suarez leaves I feel the majority of the cash will go back in for a striker.}

Fair point Ed023. Can't really disagree with any of your points. I think this is just one of those occassions where the manager, board and owners must stand strong and not cave into fans demands.

Cheers mate
KiwiRed

24 Apr 2013 18:54:54
Howya just wondering if Liverpool don't appeal will the ban come down to 9 games or have I missed heard? {Ed001's Note - no, you must have misheard.}

24 Apr 2013 18:47:27
Just a thought. It said on the TV that if he is sold the ban transfers with him. If that's the case, why don't we loan him to a club in Uruguay and assuming they play in our winter, he can serve six of his matches before our pre-season even starts. Not sure this would work, but the eds might know.

Only in this country, he'll be playing for Uruguay whilst banned.

Unless he gets banned by FIFA from playing for Uruguay as well.

24 Apr 2013 18:47:24
Ye know what u {Ed001's Note - you know what, you are an absolute imbecile, complaining about people posting nonsense, when you are the main culprit who has posted nothing but ridiculous imbecilic 'rumours' that you made up in your head. You post up abuse because those 'rumours' get ridiculed. Grow up and get a life.}

Name and shame the culprit edd {Ed001's Note - they tend to post under a number of names when they are idiots, they think that will hide them, but they all have the same IP!}

24 Apr 2013 18:39:42
I see lots of talk about Suarez being indispensable, world class, how much he loves Liverpool and we'd be relegated without him. I'll concur that, as a player, he has talent and has been important for us with the current staff and setup we've had, but I don't think he's indispensable, world class, or we'd be anywhere near relegation without him.

A world class player isn't banned 20% 0f his game time for massive amounts of stupidity. An indispensable player wouldn't be at part responsible for the sacking of a club legend as manager. A loyal player wouldn't be making not-so-subtle appearances at Juventus or have clauses placed in his contract which allow him to have discussions with other clubs. Another poster the other day had posted that without Suarez we'd be something like 5th from the bottom. A team isn't 10 people and surely if Suarez wasn't around someone, either new or a current player, would step up to the plate.

My point isn't to kick Suarez while he's down, but just in general if we were to get an acceptable offer I'd be very surprised if we didn't take it and I don't think it would in any way, shape, or form be anything like so awful as some on here would portray. Suarez has no one to blame- not the FA, not SAF, and certainly not the us, the supporters, or LFC for his situation. He solely brought this on himself through his personic actions.

24 Apr 2013 19:23:56
RDL.

Dude I got your point.
come back here on Saturday evg after the match against new castle.
I ll show you what we are missing on the pitch in suarez.

we can sell him. just coz. let him have a life outside.

24 Apr 2013 17:52:33
''Luis Suarez is a negative example and a bad influence. ''

Well let's look down this road of moral standards and footballers. Every single footballer who has been charged for Speeding (which endangers lives), Drink driving (endangering lives), rape (which seems to happen every other month and let's not forget our own manager's Son is in involved in an alleged rape charge.

No excuses Suarez is a bit of a plonker and he let's his frustrations get the better of him occasionally and they come out in the most public of places.

Mascherano bit a player and only got a three match ban (violent conduct) Defoe also bit a player and had a similar ban for violent conduct 2 years ago.

I'm personally surprised that the F. A haven't tried to have Suarez deported seeing as they believe through their own actions that they are the judge, jury and executioners of football and set precedents whenever they like to suit their own agenda.

We as football fans want the same thing from the governing body of the game we all love. That is consistency, yet we don't seem to see it. John Terry got a slap on the wrist for being racially abusive and lost the England captaincy. Suarez was made out to be a racist ignorant demon by all corners of the press and a lengthy ban. Again Suarez has bit/attempted to bite an opponent and he receives a 10 game ban yet Defoe didn't receive anything like the same punishment for biting.

Please give us consistency or you'll get F. A respect.

Well said sir.

24 Apr 2013 17:51:58
What games are effected by the Suarez Ban are preseason games, cup games and European games imcluded?

If European games are it's even more important we qualify for Europe!

NS {Ed001's Note - only games under the auspices of the English FA, preseason and European games are not included.}

24 Apr 2013 18:53:13
Ayyy Ed1, nice to see you! {Ed001's Note - not a good time to be on here though!}

24 Apr 2013 17:51:11
Please can everybody just take a deep breath and calm down suarez ban of 10 games is more than I had hoped but fair, take into account previous bite, racism, punch thrown while on international duty bookings this season diving. The guy got what he deserved but some Liverpool supporters are just to blinkered to see it if he played for someone else we would be all asking for a 15 match ban at least
Two other points
1. Chelsea not my favourite club but fair play to them they have behaved with a sense of dignity through out this
2. Please do not compare what LS has done and his punishment to any other player Biting is totally unacceptable so let's all take our medicine and Hope he comes back after the ban stronger fitter and SANER

24 Apr 2013 18:33:44
The fact is in a few months when u all get over this, u will all understand suarez has only got himself to blame, HE bit the player, HE used racisally abusive language to Evra, HE gives stupid interviews in the papers abroad, HE gave the FA the chance to come down on him, HE got himself banned.
By constantly bringing up other incidents is only making your club look bitter and foolish, it ain't anyones elses fault, not UTD, Defoe, Cantona, Thatchers and every1 else u are bringing into this, its his.
Is the ban harsh? Slightly 8 games would of prob been fair but taking into account his record in England since he came to these shores he got what he got!
This won't be the deciding factor on Suarez leaving and u can't pin it on that, Suarez will leave because he is to good for a europa league chasing team.
The other reason could be Ayre trying to repair the broken image Suarez has given your club over the last 18 months and selling him because of that reason not because as some have suggested the FA are hounding him out of England.
All you are doing by defending him and calling out garbage on conspiracy or hatred to Liverpool is silly comments brought on by the media spotlight on this.
In time you will all see who's fault all this really is!

Before I get called a no name
Chris the REDman

24 Apr 2013 18:29:47
Hi Eds, good job keeping the site running on days like today.

My opinion on the ban (not the action): I think everyone complaining about it should take a step back- I was expecting a much heavier ban, possibly in terms of months rather than games, 10 games is not the end of the world.

Secondly: Expect to see standard diversion tactics coming out regarding Suarez over the summer along the lines of-
His wife and daughter moving back to Uruguay
Him being admitted to anger management therapy + undergoing psychiatric assessment. Possible "rumour" story of him being diagnosed as bipolar.

All these aim to deflect attention away from vilifying Suarez and an attempt to portray him as a victim of his own circumstance.

I am merely stating what I expect to happen based on standard "spin" procedure.

As a fan, I would hate to see him leave as we have no chance of replacing him in our current situation. However the action was inexcusable, specially considering how much he damaged the reputation of the club and individuals within in last year.

ForzaRed

24 Apr 2013 18:29:01
Think we've honestly seen the last of Luis suarez in a Liverpool shirt. he was asking for trouble when he decided to sink his teeth into ivanovic, but a 10 game ban is way way over the top, when u consider players potentially ending careers with horror tackles. surely the severity of such tackles should warrant a higher ban than what suarez did.

I expected a fairly lengthy ban given its not his first biting offence and also his general inability to stay out of trouble. I don't think the ban itself is particularly harsh as the FA must be seen to eradicate such behaviour from the game - what is highlighted throughout these posts is their inconsistencies in dealing with other, more dangerous incidents such as the Aguero stamp, Fellaini headbutt etc. What I would also like to see is the removal of the rule that action cannot be taken if the ref has ruled on it and issued a yellow card for example. The game is so quick these days that it can be easy to miss the actual severity of some of these during the match.

I think Suarez is an absolute genius with the ball, I just hope he learns to curtail that crazy streak within him!

Swallybean

24 Apr 2013 18:21:15
I'm sure everyone has their own views on whether the ban was harsh or not, but the reality of the situation is Suarez has now, over the past two seasons, been banned for nearly half a season which is pretty terrible. The best we can make of the situation now is to see just what the team are made of without him - if we can still win games then it'll give the lads a huge boost if Suarez does leave in the Summer. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing how the team operates without him for the next few games. Now is the perfect platform for the likes of Coutinho and Sturridge to shine even more brightly. Fingers crossed we'll see Borini back (and actually played in position), and who knows, maybe an appearance from a player like Ibe?

JFT 96

JP

24 Apr 2013 18:15:57
Sorry but why do very few understand the reasoning behind the decision, he bit someone before and got 7 game ban, he then does it again and get 10 games.

Lets suppose he got 5 game ban, does that not look as if next time he may get 3 game ban.

10 games was the obvious length of ban and I still think he's lucky

I think they looked at his ban in holland for 7 games took into account previous incidents in england, Barton got 14 was it? for headbutting and punching Aguero and kompany in the last game of last season and went somewhere in the middle imo

24 Apr 2013 18:15:26
Everyone needs to relax.

Suarez is a repeat offender hence the ten match ban. He needs to grow up. He's not a child anymore and needs to start acting as an adult.

That said, in reality its a six match ban because this season is over anyway.

People are acting like that's six losses. Come on people. I hope with some extra strength to the squad over the summer we can cope with this.

One game is likely to be a league cup first round game which he likely would not have played anyway.

Thats five league games.

Whats more important than this ban is that Suarez learns from this latest episode.

I know this sounds like I hate him. I don't I love watching him but he definitely needs to grow up.

Pretty confident he'll be at anfield next season and I hope he makes it up to us big time.

For the remainder of the season I myself am looking forward to seeing how sturridge leads the line.

Davey Sulls

24 Apr 2013 18:14:56
Suarez has only got himself to blame, but I totally agree with what carra had to say, when he said bitting someone is nowhere as bad as those dangerous tackles that potentially could end careers.

Not quite, I don't agree with Carra, most of those horror tackles although reckless more often than not are accidental, the only way to avoid them is to stop tackling altogether. Unfortunately what Suarez did was deliberate and unprecedented, if the FA did not apply harsh punishment and make it obvious its unacceptable you will find more biting incidents in school leagues and lower divisions.
10 games is very harsh, and its because he Luis Suarez (nothing to do with Liverpool) he would've been treated the same if he done the same antics he has being doing for the last 2 seasons playing for another club.

24 Apr 2013 17:46:22
Hi ED i'm hearing big noise Suarez wants to join pep in Germany mate. Have you heard anything.

P. S great work with the website keep it up

Having watched the game last night why would bayern want Suarez

You haven't heard anything, go back to bed.

Maybe they want to add some bite to the forward line ;)

24 Apr 2013 17:30:09
Edd2 ok with the ban, but what will the next person get. Does this mean that the next person to throw a punch at someone will get ten games also. And why has mata not been done for shoving the forth official on Sunday when he came off. {Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with anyone else - why is that so difficult to understand? Suarez bit someone - he didn't throw a punch. Mata I have no idea about?}

I totally understand the anger and dismay of some fans, personally I think what many are angry with is "The inconsistency of the FA" (John Aldridge)when they seem to have one set of rules for one set of players and another rule for others. A spokesman for the FA said this decision was taken solely on the merit of this offence and previous offences had no influence on the judgement, I for one find this hard to believe. Well it's done and dusted, but some people will still understandably aggrieved, after all it's football it's about emotion and passion not all sense and logic, why else would anyone pay lots of their hard earned cash to watch 22 men run around a field, phrase's like "It has nothing to do with anyone else, and "why is it so difficult to understand" don't help in anyway whatsoever. People DO understand, it's just the passion in them that won't let them easily get over it, I think a simple" see search function" would suffice, because to be honest if Luis had pulled out a gun and shot him some would still try to justify his actions, but that's football and that's why I love it!

Dav

24 Apr 2013 17:28:48
Ed002, i'm sorry some person cannot understand the concept of a repeat offense. For all those moaning saying his racism charge was less meaning that racism is less serious than violent conduct, behave. Your moaning about spilt milk. Its not that racism is less of a crime than violent conduct, as on initial offense they were both regarded with the same level of wrong doing. The first time Suarez bit someone he got a 7 game ban, the first time he racially abused someone he got a 7 match ban, he is however a repeat offender and therefore his ban had fo reflect this. Get over it, Sturridge can lead the line for the 10 games, he needs the game time.

Anfield Andy

Believe this means he will leave in the summer, and it will significantly reduce his value to a new club.
What I still find unexplained is how did the officials miss the incident? It wasn't as if there were masses of bodies obscuring the view.

No supporter of Chelsea but if this costs them a CL slot I could understand them being furious-but, as we know, referees/linesmen are always right and can not be held accountable.

I agree on everything bar Sturridge. He injured every 5 minutes!

24 Apr 2013 17:28:18
Ben thatcher 8 game ban 2 suspended for a elbow that basically if u did it outside u may have done jail for Suarez 10 match for a bite? Fa are mad should of been 5 match ban with some sort of help for his temper {Ed002's Note - What has it got to do with Thatcher? Right - absolutely nothing.}

Ed002 you keep commenting it has nothing to do with others, but it does as it is being deemed worse than anything ever done before? Which quite clearly it is not, I think 5-8 games would have been a better punishment to be honest. Not bashing any Eds at all as I am appreciative of the job you do just pointing out I don't believe its anywhere near as severe as what others have done such as Thatcher used here {Ed002's Note - No. It is not being deemed worse. Ihave explaind repeatedly.}

24 Apr 2013 17:54:06
Edoo2 it has 2 do with the way see things not like the average fan 2 footed tackles that could break bones are not even near the same punishment and the other point I made was there not even offering the lad help with his temper on the pitch {Ed002's Note - Step aside and see it for what it is.}

It's nothing to do with Thatcher Ed002 but these things do have to be brought into context. If other players receive punishments for certain things then they will obv be compared. Is a bite worse than an elbow to the head? No. But the punishment is worse so no wonder the fans are bringing up other incedents. He deserves a 10 match ban for being a complete t**t but when compared to other offences I can't see how it is actually fair.

Fowler99 {Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that. He is a jerk who has done more damage to Liverpool more than anyone in living history. It is embarassing and pitiful but people contiue to support the nasty little shit as much as you want.}

24 Apr 2013 17:28:03
Probably not a popular opinion but I think 10 games is quite fair. Luis has bitten before which was a 7 game ban. He's done it again so we'd expect a harsher punishment than the first one. He has basically had a straight red card offence (which he should have got) put onto the 7 game ban he had before. Could have easily been 14 in all honesty!

Round of applause someone with a working mind

Nothing to do with before that doesn't get involved when they decide different league

24 Apr 2013 17:13:13
A lot of fans still don't understand matters, is 10 games harsh of coarse it is, but the club are not in a position to challange the FA, they will tear our club apart and this is a losing battle for us, ed2 said FA will come very hard at him and they have.

24 Apr 2013 17:06:35
Eds, Liverpool still have (had?) some chance of qualifying for Europe via the fair play league if England manage to get into the top 3. Do you know how do off field punishments like this affect our position? Is it included in the calculations?

Thanks {Ed002's Note - Yes it is.}

24 Apr 2013 17:06:27
{Ed002's Note - Why dig a bigger hole and be so abusive on something you clearly don't understand?}

24 Apr 2013 17:04:50
Afternoon EDs, jus a quick one if Suarez is to accept his 10 match ban would thus transfer along with him if he were to leave in summer? {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

24 Apr 2013 17:02:17
The F. A are a complete and utter joke, it's obvious that they have it in for LFC and Luis Suarez, 2 players in the last 2 weeks have received NOTHING from the F. A over challanges which could have been career threatening.

What Luis done was wrong and not acceptable in any form but a 10 match ban is way over the top and I for one hope that LFC will appeal in the strongest terms

alan50 {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with other events. Suarez brought this on himself and brought all these problems to the club. It is his fault - nobody elses.}

Ed, he deserves a ban but his punishment is out of proportion to the effects of the incident. I can see why he would get another 7 game ban. But ten shows they aren't really concerned about player safety, but rather their image. It was an awful thing and he deserves a lengthy ban. But their motives are really questionable. {Ed001's Note - sorry but it is nothing to do with that, it is to do with him being a tit and getting himself into repeated trouble. If he had managed to go through an entire season without ludicrous incidents, perhaps he might get a ban based on purely the incident in question. As it is, he has shown that being banned for 7 games has not made his behaviour improve and so he has a longer one. Only one person to blame, and that is Suarez. He needs to grow up.}

You can't give different bans, different treatment for the same offence. I think Suarez deserved a lengthy ban - question is why was he given 10 games and Defoe a yellow card? John Terry 4 games Suarez 8? Are you honestly saying you don't say anything uneven about the way Liverpool and Suarez have been dealt with by the FA compared to other teams and players?

SMc {Ed001's Note - sometimes I worry about people! The incidents are all different so received different punishments. It is not difficult to understand.}

Ed002' I didn't say it was anybody else's fault but the fact is the punishment does NOT fit the crime, because he is Luis Suarez and because he plays for LFC is the reason for a 10 match ban.

What the F. A are saying now, is that Racially abusing a player is NOT as bad as biting a player or if you bite another player and you DON'T play for LFC you will receive a much LESSER ban

alan50 {Ed002's Note - No they are not saying that.}

24 Apr 2013 16:59:21
Hi Eds,

Do You Think Behind Brendan Rodgers And Ian Ayre's Words They Are Thinking Of Selling Suarez OR Have They Decided To Give Him A Last Chance Saloon!

Thanks
GAM# {Ed002's Note - Rodgers I am sure would like to keep him, but Mr Ayre's priority must remain the club. I can only speculate, but as soon as this latest mess is cleared up, I would expect that the club will at some point release him from his remaining commitments under condition that he returns to Uruguay and permission will be granted for him to join his national squad for the games in June.
If Liverpool is adamant that they really wish to keep him and not simply protect the image of the club, then I would expect a number of things to happen. I would think something along the lines of: (a) he will be instructed that he is not to travel to Italy this Summer like he did last year; (b) a request will be made of the Uruguayan FA to ask that Suarez not be made available for interview; (c) that he will be accompanied by a specialist communications person brought in from the United States to act as a conduit to the media and to ensure that he says nothing dumb in respect of himself, the club and does not discuss transfers over the summer; and (d) I would expect him to be excluded from teh pre-season tour, perhaps using the excuse of him needing a rest, or a knock arising from the International games in June - we'll see. I am also pretty sure that the club would request certain commitments from his agent or other representative regarding any meetings the two may wish to schedule – this could potentially go as far as the club requesting a third-party be present. The player will be told not to accept sweets or a ride from anyone called Pavel Nedved or Giovanni Branchini.

Ian Ayre has done the right thing to protect the club in terms of saying Suarez will stay. However, if the club are simply moving in to a mode of protecting their image and reputation and would be willing to let the player go then a different story will unfold. Ayres’ statement moves the responsibility for any summer transfer from the club to the player - and in doing so potentially penalises the player significantly in financial terms.

There will continue to be interest from a number of clubs.}

I think they'll be crying all the way to the bank. I bet Ayre was on the phone before the final whistle starting the ball rolling

24 Apr 2013 16:58:37
Ed
Am I right in thinking that IF Suarez is sold to a foreign club. Then the ban won't have any effect with his new club? Unsure if he served the full ban in holland before he moved to us.

Jonesred {Ed002's Note - Within Europe the ban would almost certainly carry on at the new club, but it is at the discretion of the local FA.}

24 Apr 2013 16:56:59
Just got in and seen the good news.
He's only got himself to blame, silly man.
The Juicer

24 Apr 2013 16:56:56
Hello Ed, do you think Liverpool will buy someone a striker to cover for suarez during the 5 games of next season he is banned for?

Chelmsey {Ed002's Note - They won't buy a striker just for that reason.}

We have Sturridge, Borini as well as Ngoo and Samed Yesil from our u21, and if we get an attacking midfielder then there would be even less need for a replacement striker for those games suarez misses as the AM would play behind the main striker being one of Sturridge or Borini

24 Apr 2013 16:49:15
002 can you please stop saying it has nothing to do with Defoe. It does! Exact same offence, the ref saw it and only thought it was a yellow.
Now with Suarez the ref has to watch it back and say what he would of done if he saw it. He's clearly said red, hence the 3 game ban.
So why would one ref only yellow it, and another red it. It's incosistent refereeing. I'm not defending him. I'm just complaining about the state of refereeing in this country.
healthydebate {Ed002's Note - Maybe Defoe was not punished enough? Considered that? You are making yourself look truly stupid to be trying to defend the appalling behaviour of Suarez. It has nothing to do with Defore - nothing at all. Because of Suarez's actions a commission was put in place to decide if he was guilty of violent conduct and what the punishment would be. Taking account of his previous behaviour since arriving in the UK (which has been dreadful), he has been punished, albeit harshly by a 10 game ban. However good he might be as a player, in all other respects Suarez is a complete jerk having brought embarrassment on himself, his family, the club, the owners and the sponsors. And rather than recognise or accept any of this, you dig around looking for something to try and justify a defence.}

And you sir are a hypocrite. You go on and on how it's a independent panel, all done on this one offence, and nothing to do with anyone else. Yet then say "taking account of his previous behaviour, he has been punished" Defoe wasn't punished enough. And you seem to only retaliate select words I've written. I quite clearly said I'm not defending him, I am however questioning the structure of the FA. And how they can just so as they please with no contesting. They get things wrong time and time again. Attacking a ref (11 games di canio, 10 games David pruton) positive testing for drugs ( bosnich 9 months, Ferdinand 8 ) attacking another player with violent conduct ( Barton 12 games, despite attacking 2. And going for another, Suarez 1 person and 10 games. ) shouldn't Barton be 20 games then? Who says a kick is different to a punch or a bite. I'm just sick to the back teeth ;) of inconsistency. A rule book should be put out. Under each subtitle, 4 game ban for. 5 game ban for. {Ed002's Note - I explained but clearly you cannot understand any of this. I will try and spell it out in simple terms. (1) Due to his own stupidity he was charged by the FA with a single offence. (2) An independent commission considered that charge taking account of no other events. (3) Once finding the charge proven, they decided on a punishment taking account of his history whilst playing under the FA's control.

You seem obsessed with trying to justify the truly awful behaviour of a man who has time and time again caused problems to the club you support. It is nothing to do with Di Canio or anwyone else. Suarez brought this on himself and brought all these problems to the club. It is his fault - nobody elses.}

Agreed. Defoe's incident was years ago and the FA made a mistake at the time in not taking more action. Quite obviously they are keen not to make the same mistake hence the hefty ban - albeit harshly. {Ed002's Note - Rubbish.}

Sigh. You're not seeing what I'm getting at, and because of that you abuse me. I don't appreciate being called stupid or you referring that I'm making myself look it. Also the derogatory comment of " I explained but clearly you cannot understand any of this"
Saw a post earlier about abuse towards the eds, which I've never done, but you seem fine to throw them at me when I'm looking for a healthy debate.
I'm sure you'll say I'm making myself stupid again, even thought I'm trying to discuss like gentleman {Ed002's Note - You aclled me a hypocrite and made it clear in your post that you did not understand the process at all. It is nothing to do with healthy debate. Therefor I explained it yet again. I hadly see my good will in doing this abusive.}

The FA said and I quote

"The FA's claim that a suspension of three matches was clearly insufficient and the player will serve a further seven first-team matches in addition to the standard three. "

Ok. From where I stand Suarez was not giving a three match ban at all. why, because he wasn't given a red card. therefor the three match ban that the FA are referring to is "Myth".

why, because the 3 match ban is non standing, it's not there.

so how can they add a 7 match ban on top of an "imaginary" 3 match ban?

it's like punishing him twice for the same offense.

in Ajax he never got sent off and he got a ban that stated nothing of an additional ban on top of a 3 match ban, because what 3 match ban? they understood that there was not 3 match ban.

it's like you kill someone, and get sentenced to 25years but then they add another 8 years for assault (on the same person that was killed by your hands), effectively making your sentence 33years. it won't happen will it.

if the Court have to abide to the strict rules of the justice system (under strict circumstances such as murder), why is it that the FA can dictate how "THEY", interpret their own rules, and by default (small pause), manipulate them? (rhetorical question).

i agree with the fact that a 3 match ban is insufficient and but also think that a 7 match ban is sufficient.

i still don't know why it's ten. because the three match ban the FA are talking about is nonexistent, its would have, could have and should have.

or am I missing something?

is there a rule that violent conduct will be met with a 3 match ban?

yes there is, its done by match officials by giving a straight red card.

ok, did suarez get a red card

no

so does he have a three match ban for violent conduct

no

ok so why are the FA saying that he does, then adding 7 more on top of it?

when in actual fact there was no 3 match ban to begin with and therefore the punishment should only be a 7 match ban, on the grounds that a 3 match ban is insufficient.

on top of that implying that biting someone is more punishable than racially abusing someone adds to the point that there was a "Huge lack evidence" in the Suarez vs Evra Race case so stop saying that was anything because clearly Evra is a world class con man.

"Deuces"

How is it rubbish ed? Maybe I worded it wrong. All I meant was the defoe incident is irrelevant to the suarez case in the sense that his punishment wasn't enough at the time so it's pointless comparing the two.

24 Apr 2013 16:47:19
Hi Eds,

Do you think Borini will be given a chance to fill Suarez Place for the start of next season?

Marc {Ed002's Note - I can't say at this time. I am sure much will happen between now and then.}

24 Apr 2013 16:38:39
Hi Eds,

With the news of Luis 10 game ban I hope that people and the media can move on from this now. I love Luis as a player but what he did was wrong and the ban is fair. At the end of the day it's Liverpool fc and the fans who it hits most of all. I hope Luis will learn from this and continue to do what he does best terrorises defences and score bags full of goals.

Marc

You can live in hope but it will be

Served an 8 match ban for racial abusing Evra and 10 match band for violent conduct biting. Blah, blah, blah. Sick of hearing it but he's brought it on himself and the club.

24 Apr 2013 16:38:16
Right he's got his punishment 10 games!

For all those who say its too much I think its right he did something stupid he's got punished!

For all those of u who say he should get more I think your taking the mik

This guy loves football he wants to play evry game so for him to miss 10 games hel be hurting from inside

Lfc and suarez and fans need to accept and move on!
He will be stronger for this and Liverpool will be stronger for this

What doesn't break you makes u stronger
Ynwa

Basy

24 Apr 2013 16:22:34
FA screwing Liverpool again with a 10 match ban for Suarez!, He should be loaned out somewhere where they have a summer league, like in Iceland where he can serve his ban and be ready for next season with LFC

That's a good idea, but don't think that's how it works mate

Loan him to a team in the States it will be perfect, America is cool and the unofficial motto of the US is "shizzle happens".

1. he'll basically be on holiday and not to mention Spanish is the unofficial second language of the US.
2. the ban won't be served over there because it's America and to have Suarez play in the MSL would be beneficial to soccer (and isn't it the FA of that Country that decides whether the Ban will be standing or not?)
3. anger management in the US is class, nah really comedy central done a terrific job.
4. he'll play = happy suarez
5. he'll get fit = happy Liverpool season 13-14
6. we will get more supporters from the US = turning a negative into a positive

24 Apr 2013 16:20:54
Ed does this 10 game ban include capital one cup games because by my calculations the 6th game of next season would be a capital one cup game.
Cheers {Ed002's Note - It covers all games which are under the remit of the FA but the schedule for next season has yet to be released.}

Thanks Ed
Yeah I was just basing it on the fixture list from this season but it wouldn't change that much for next season would it? {Ed002's Note - Not too much.}

24 Apr 2013 16:19:23
not a Liverpool fan lads but all this sympathy from a few of you should be aimed at the club as they are the ones who stood by him after the evra affair and pay his wages the club have bent over backwards for him and he has let them down again he should give his 10 weeks wages to a local charity in Liverpool.

24 Apr 2013 16:53:00
Suarez did give around £250,000 (2 weeks wages) to the Hilsborough Family Support Group.

He gave the wages that he was going to lose anyway. Hardly the same as giving it from your own pocket.

The Irish Rover

24 Apr 2013 16:18:42
Look fellas, you can all say what you like about old Luis getting ten games but if he hadnt committed the crime he wouldn't be doing the time,
If you went for court for any criminal act then you wouldn't be sure if you were getting locked up, a fine, community service, a slapped wrist. etc etc, In this case he did something extremely wrong and the outcome could also have been anything from minimal to ten games or more. If he hadnt done it in the first place then there wouldn't be any need to complain about the length of punishment. Do you see where i'm at here?
Its nobodies fault but his own that he can't control himself enough to do justice to the shirt for 100% of a season, its all his own doing.
The question now is how confident are the board of securing top world class players with no European football?. Because if he's sold then we have to replace and without Champions league football we're probably left with having to pay extreme wages to tempt these players which apparently isn't the model we're now using.
Im fearful of where this clubs at right now and I think it has some big decisions to make if we're not to disappear into mid table mediocrity in the very near future.
Some brave calls are going to be needed.
YNWA JFT96

24 Apr 2013 16:16:12
Seriously? 10 games? Was expecting 7 games max.! Was hoping the FA would see the fact the club and the player has apologised and accepted the charge to end this dispute quickly, but this is just going to make it drag on for longer to me! Do you think the club will appeal it ed? And how many games could be added/removed if he does? thanks.
Kopman. {Ed002's Note - I would dounbt that they will appeal but it depends what the reports says. The rules allow an appeal to dismiss the 7 games which they are allowed to appeal, or to double the punishment if the appeal is "frivolous" and unsuccessful - so it could, in theory, reduce to 3 games or increase to 17.}

24 Apr 2013 16:12:35
10 games is fair. Couldn't be less than 8 as he got 7 from Dutch FA and he didn't learn his lesson from that.
His previous poor behaviour means 10 was inevitable.

So Suarez is indispensable yet he will have missed half a season through needless suspensions.

Absolute moron, get him out of the club before he brings the whole bloody lot down with him.

Serge N' Gian

Half a season? Are you Maurpeer's other half?

Different FA's mate

RD

10 games plus 8 games (last season) = 18 games = almost half a season through embarrassing lack of discipline

24 Apr 2013 16:08:10
I only feel sorry for the club but defo not suarez as he's brought it on himself and i'm afraid he still won't learn from this in my opinion. To miss 7 games at the start of the season is going to hit any chance of a European challenge to Liverpool very hard and I would imagine this will have more a bearing on selling him on now. i'm so annoyed with suarez for once again missing so many games and forcing this decision as he's clealry our only real superstar. missing the last 3 games wouldn't have been to bad if only to see what the team could do without him but 7 from the start really will be tough.

6 not 7

24 Apr 2013 16:08:03
with 4 to 5 games left. what are the odds we will see somthing happen during a game a lot worse than the bite and very little or nothing been done.

in fact we will see worse this weekend.

now is the time for BR to do an alex fergeson and start drumming in to the players every one at the fa and prem hate us. let's show them.

this was the first thing he did at man u and it started to work early on {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Manchester United. Why do you want to see the club drag itself toward the gutter?}

Eds, he is not bring manchester united into it, he is making a comparison {Ed002's Note - No he is a cretin with a proposal that would further damage the club.}

24 Apr 2013 15:54:30
Hi Eds
Not sure if you've been asked this already as I'm sure you're getting bombard with "Suarez 10 game ban" comments but do you think LFC will appeal or just take it on the chin and get on with it? {Ed002's Note - They will have the lawyers paw over the written response tomorrow but I doubt that there will be an appeal.}

24 Apr 2013 15:53:56
Hi Eds

Guys cheer up Liverpool have and will always be the most talk about team ie. Good or bad reasons. Manchester United just won their 20th league but who's taking the headline's. For Suarez sake its best that he move on play in another league, that's the only way we can help him The amount abuse his going to get next season. We should try and replace him with another world class striker.

Zorro

Like who? Get a grip will you and get on that horse!

24 Apr 2013 15:49:07
Just before people star complaining about Suarez' 10 game ban, bare in mind, he has committed the same offence previously and served a 7 game ban. The fact that he has re-offended shows a lengthier ban and more severe punishment was needed.
This logic applies with everyone in whatever job they do in terms of discipline and also with our prison/legal system.
We will have to keep him as he's the only consistently world class player currently on our playing staff and we will need him for the 32 games he will currently be available for next season.

Anfield Andy {Ed002's Note - Actually, what happened at Ajax would not have been taken into account and will not be in teh written report.}

Of course what happened in ajax won't be in the report, but are you telling me with all the media coverage about what happened in ajax hasn't had an influence, and I know its all his own doing,
But the media have a massive influence in our society and the way people think. {Ed002's Note - The panel won't be influenced by teh media but will obviously be aware of what happened at Ajax. Perhaps if he didn't bite a player then it would be less of a problem. The report will justify their findings but whichever way yopu look at it, Suarez's behaviour has been appalling for years whether it be takling a club to court so he can engineer a transfer, biting players or anything else.}

Justify their findings, right (rolls eyes). {Ed002's Note - Clearly you are struggling to understand why this istuation arose. Suarez brought this on himself and brought all these problems to the club. It is his fault - nobody elses.}

24 Apr 2013 15:48:05
I expected around 6 games (hoped for 4). Like others have said, it is harsh, but it's expected. With all the media hype around it, it had to be. If the event was more under the radar the FA would have been under less pressure. A bigger ban for biting than racism is something I didn't expect, although his history could have had an effect which is understandable.

I don't think Suarez is the 'nut job' people make him out to be. Just needs to be taught how to control his emotions a little better and let his feet do the talking rather than his teeth. He wants to win, for himself and the fans (as we saw in the Zenit game) if only we had 11 players with such passion.

Let's hope we can have a good start to next season and welcome him back into the team. eventually.

24 Apr 2013 15:45:24
10 games. Time to suck up, move on and put the focus back on football?

I very much doubt it!

HB

So do I, but I can dream

24 Apr 2013 15:42:25
So the fa give Suarez 10 games ban, because their own officials on the pitch are incompentent. ie failed to give a yelow card a la Defoe. {Ed002's Note - Idiot - it is nothing to do with Defoe.}

So biting someone's only worth a yellow card then? what a Rodney!

Djay

Ed 02 is right it had nothing to do with the Defoe incident however the FA are baffling when it comes to any sort of consistency with regards to punishment, the evra incident was worse and a lot more damaging to the game. Thatchers forearm smash didn't get 10. But Luis only has himself to blame. If the FA and media hate you then stop giving them a reason to punish you.

Sorry Ed, agree with you 99. 9% of the time.

. It has everything to do with Defoe! I don't give a rats as* that a 'yellow' was given, same scenario.

I expected a longer ban tbh, so they can finally drive him out. If they haven't already.

Not defending his bite -indefensible.

Hypocrites & double standards around the Uk. {Ed002's Note - Have you considered that Defoe was not punished as much as he should have been? Are you clutching at straws looking for excuses? Are you hiding behind defending this jerk who has repeatedly gotten himself in trouble, embarrassing the the club, courting other clubs, making stupid statements to the media etc. since he arrived?}

Tbh Ed, this is where I'm at. Years and years of disappoint from my club has made me a tad (for lack of a better word) pedantic. I'm sure you can offer me a better word for my feelings atm.

Clutching at straws yes, but want Luis out? Not a chance.

Thanks for the reply.

It's like none of you know the rule that a player can't be punished if a ref has already taken action? It's been in play for ages now and always comes up throughout the season.

Like Ed002 said - Defoe got off lightly. Suarez has not. Because of this RULE.

It really doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand what is being said here people. But none of you seem to get it, lol. Just take a deep breath, think about it and realise you're trying to justify this with BS!

The issue of players not being punished because the ref saw the incident and took action - comes up over and over and over. Yet, when it happens to Luis or LFC it certainly becomes "hypocracy" or "double-standards". That's exactly what it ISN'T if you think about it pal.

HB

HB - I understand the rules completely and appreciate your efforts to explain.

That wasn't my point, Ed02 clearly understood that.

In regards to hypocrites and double standards. I was referring to people taking a moral high ground and the FA needing to change the rules (ala Defoe incident) - I thought that was clear.

Cheers pal

The point I was making is simple.
A policeman fails to stop for driving too fast which would llose 3 points.
However a politican or judge sees you and you get a 1 year ban.

Now why should the sentence be different because the agent of the state, the policeman failed to do his job - should you be punished differently because they are incompetent? {Ed001's Note - so tell FIFA then, as it is their rules not the FA.}

Sorry noname must have misunderstood when you said,

"It has everything to do with Defoe! I don't give a rats as* that a 'yellow' was given, same scenario. "

- as obviously it's not the same scenario because the ref missed the Suarez incident whereas Defoe was dealt with by the ref. That's the rule.

If you're saying that rule should be changed then I'd agree - It's a stupid rule - but they're not going to just change it overnight to suit Suarez because he got a bit 'bitey'.

Hopefully the powers that be address the rule over the summer but I'm not that confident TBH.

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:39:09
Hi Eds. Now that it's 10 games. do you think it more likely Suarez will now be off. and do you think it he has damaged his chances of landing a Champions League Team. and Lpools chance of getting top dollar for him {Ed002's Note - I ma not sure in the big scheme of things this will make much difference in terms of what will happen to Suarez.}

24 Apr 2013 15:33:53
Harsh, but I am very much afraid innevitable. Clearly they have judged the player rather than the crime, however I really don't see what use an appeal will do.

We all know the rights and wrongs but the FA have gone out of their way to engineer this outcome, they are hardly going to back track now.

I think we need to chunter into our beer suck it up and move on, I can see no good coming from any other course of action. Yes it is harsh but let's be honest the FA can only act if you give them the opportunity and I am sorry but Suarez has on too many occasions.

The real question is can we afford to keep him, missing so much of next season?/Can we afford to loose him despite the games missed as it is unlikely we could come close to replacing him with 1 individual talent irrespective of the amount of money we receive.

So maybe the real question is could 3 players totaling that amount collectivly improve us more than one Louis?

Thoughts {Ed002's Note - (a) They have judged the offence and taken account of the player's past record in deciding the punishment. (b) The FA did not engineer this outcome - it was an independent commission who would not have needed to exist if Suarez did not commit the offence.}

I will be very interested in seeing who was on the independent commission. I will wait for the written reasons before saying anything, I am angry as if a players has served his ban for something his past problems shouldn't be brought into it as he has already served his ban for those past problems they have no bearing on the current case whatsoever no matter what the morally correct lot of you think. yes his own fault but very very harsh. 6 maybe 7 games at the most!

Ed 2

Agreed on a) thought I had said that but clealy not clear.

On b) point taken lazy writing lumping the independant commision and FA in one. However agreed as I thought I had mentioned, if you don't give people the chance there is nothing that can happen to you. I posted earlier in the week and even then feared the worst. But to be clear the point I was trying to make is that we need to move on as a club as of today. {Ed002's Note - It was a harsh ban but not entirely unexpected. Whilst people want to bleat about the FA, the commission etc., they seem to conveniently forget that this all results from the appalling behaviour of a player with a history of causing problems since he arrived in England. If Suarez had not of committed the offence he would be free to play for the remaining games and assist in the pust for a Europa spot. This has damaged the club by taking that away, no doubt impacting the fair play considerations which might have opened the back door and given the club another summer of grief related to Suarez. I, and no doubt the club, fear another dumb statement from him.}

Slight contradiction there Ed = {Ed002's Note - Actually, what happened at Ajax would not have been taken into account and will not be in teh written report. }

{Ed002's Note - I remain astonished at the amount being said with no understanding of the subject. The Commission's judgement can only consider what has happened whilst LS has played under the jurisdiction of the FA.}

RD, where is the contradiction?

It may be me being daft after a long day but the way I read it - Ed2's 2nd comment fully explains his 1st and is not contradictory towards it.

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:31:53
Please don't start shouting about conspiracy theories and the FA hating us. It is embarrassing. He gave them the chance to do it, and they took it. Simple. It also has nothing to do with United, Terry, Evra or his 8 game ban. So Don't arart with all that. I think it is very harsh, but he can only blame himself.
JFT96
Smithy {Ed002's Note - Exactly.}

Smithy, with Gerrard & Allen both needing shoulder surgery this summer, don't you think the club should let them have the surgery now so they are ready for the start of next season? Seems odd that they would wait until the end of the season when Liverpool have nothing left to play for. Very odd indeed.

Disney!

Whilst I agree that ultimately the blame is with Suarez, it seems pretty ludicrous that if the ref had seen the incident and booked Suarez a la Defoe, then that would have been the end of the matter punishment-wise with the FA unable to take retrospective action (unless I'm mistaken there). That just seems like the most nonsensicle rule in football to me, that a yellow card given at the ref's discretion can be the difference between getting a 10-match ban and getting nothing.

DP {Ed002's Note - It would never have been a yellow card and is nothing to do with Defoe. You need to get away from all of these meaningless comparisons and move on.}

You just contradicted yourself by saying all that, then saying it is harsh. Surely if you believe what you have written, you meant to say 'it is a fair and just punishment'?

Anyone who thinks it is a proportionate punishment is deluded. What I will agree on though, is you are right, he was guilty as sin, the ban just has to be accepted and we need to move on.

I expected nothing less from that load of muppets, but was hoping for six.

My comment was more aimed at the bizarre rule that the FA can't act retrospectively on a booking. Their disciplinary organisation just seems all over the place to me, but that's just my opinion.

DP

Has Allen not already had his surgery?

The Irish Rover

Nick - what contridiction? You may need to look up the definition of that word. What he is saying is that there is no conspiracy, just an independant panel arriving at a decision. Doesn't mean to say he's not allowed to think the length of ban is harsh, does it?

LFC fans who have tried to drag the FA, the media and even Alex Ferguson into this (I read that on this site yesterday lol) - are pathetic and belittle what your club is about.

If Suarez hadn't bitten 2 players, racially abused someone, done several hand balls and constant diving, moaning at refs and fellow players etc. the media and everyone else would have nothing to write about would they. It really is as simple as that.

Good post Smithy, spot on.

HB

Irish, my mistake he has, which makes a lot of sense to me. Will Gerrard have early surgery too then? Or does he want to play the final few games with Carragher before he retires? That would make sense I guess.

Disney!

Disney, as far as I am aware Allen has already had 'successful surgery'. Gerrard has played every minute of every league game for us this season, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to see it out for a nice little ego boost. That or he is waiting until after the derby. I personally think he should have it as soon as possible, and give Coady a chance. There is no point having good players in the academy, and not giving them a chance when they appear to be ready.

Nick, you have missed the point quite badly. As HB points out, there is no contradiction. Like there is no conspiracy. It is harsh, but he had it coming, and if he doesn't bite Ivanovic, this doesn't happen. He has yet again put himself before the club, which is a trait of his wherever he plays.
JFT96
Smithy

Oh no the vultures are circling, constant diving lol you wouldn't have to look too far to see diving HB

Did someone say diving? I heard bale and young are training to get into Team GB's Olympic team lol

Biggy Ballz

Yes Ashley Young has dived and deserves punishment if he does. Same for Bale. That's irrelevant though.

My point was about where Suarez gets his reputation from and why he is therefore in the press all the time. I don't see it as a witch hunt because it's him that has done all these things to attract attention.

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:31:35
So. with this new 10 game ban, it will mean that in the 2. 5 seasons (95 games approx) Suarez has missed roughly 19 through Suspension. For all you mathmeticians out there, that is half a season, and approximately 1 in every 5 games. Can we afford to build our team around a guy who is likely going to be missing 20% of our games before factoring in injuries and fatigue?
Admittedly this ban is very harsh, as was his previous, but the FA will continue their war with Suarez so long as he remains on these shores. time to sell? I dunno. I still think he's class, but as i've said previously, he needs to play as a right forward, so we can stop sending all the attacks through him, and build our team around a gameplan, not an individual.

This bite has effectively been deemed worse than racism, career ending tackles, fist fights and abuse towards the referee & spectators. If I were Suarez i'd leave. The FA is ruining his career with outrageous bans, but at the end of the day, Luis is giving them the ammunition.

YNWA! (Adam) {Ed002's Note - It is not deemed worse than anything Adam and you should clearly understand that Suarez has never been found guilty of racism. Seemingly the level of knowledge about one of his previous offences is poor at best. The FA are not ruining his career - Suarez is doing that himself. If he did not do what he did we would not be discussing this now.}

Adam,

I often read your posts and usually find them interesting and relatively spot on.

However - "The FA is ruining his career with outrageous bans"?

This takes the biscuit. So it's not Suarez ruining his own career by doing these things? No it's the poeple who then (rightfully) punish him - mental point of view IMO you need to take a step back!

HB

24 Apr 2013 19:47:09
I did state that he gives them the ammunition. But its like handing somebody a knife. They can either cut your wrist, or cut your throat. the FA always go for Suarez's throat. They are giving him outrageous bans. Not for the wrong things, but too harsh bans. The racism should have been 4 games like Terrys. And the bite 3 games like most punches/headbutts etc.

YNWA! (Adam)

I thought 10 games was slightly harsh too, IMO 5-8 was about right. 3 games not enough though in my book - this was such a ridiculous thing to do it needed to be differentiated and a strong message sent out that you can't go round biting people (can't believe some people need telling mind!)

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:29:48
I heard Fergie, Evra and Rio were on the independent panel

Oh woe is me, you lot keep going on about a witch hunt. This is not a witch hunt, it`s just what he deserved, if you can't do the time then don't do the crime! 10 games

Much love

Spot on much love

Djay

Much needed love I think you'll find bobby was having a joke and nothing more. joke = humour which is clealry lost on you much needed love!.

If this is a joke, then it's a pathetic one. When are some people going to accept that Liverpool present no threat at all to Manchester United either on or off the pitch. We are so far behind Man U that we are are of very little concern to them and represent nothing more than an an irritating little fly to be swatted away.

It was a joke has all humor gone

Clearly, people don't know a joke when they see one. Some people need to get off their high horse and get back down to earth.

Biggy Ballz

24 Apr 2013 15:28:58
10 games? Jesus I know it was bad but come on. They have done that to make sure it affect next season as the first four games of the ban would not effect out current season at all!

Mike S {Ed002's Note - It impacts next season because of the timing of the offence.}

"They have done that to make sure it affect next season"

Yes the world and everything in it are against LFC, Lol.

You guys are so self-pittying these days making comments like these. It really doesn't paint a pretty picture.

HB {Ed002's Note - I think what he is suggesting is that Suarez does the same thing next season he be considerate enough to do it before Christmas so it has no impact on the 2014/2015 season.}

My mistake Ed002, lol. I assumed he meant that the FA had told Suarez what date to bite someone on so they could engineer a ban that would affect both seasons. Those scheming FA'ers! :)

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:27:50
10 games what a joke, should have been more, you can't do what he's done TWICE, he has to learn his lesson from this.
BIGAL REDFOREVER

Spot on! ^^^

Much love

24 Apr 2013 15:27:47
10 games?! That's ridiculous the FA are clueless surely it takes common sense to make sure it's essential he has anger management then add on about 6/7 game ban.

They've banned him before and it's made no difference but no this time add 3 games on and he will be a changed man. No common sense.

London red

Yes so the more times he does the same offence the lesser ban he should get? Repeat offender = harsher punishment.

TBF I didn't think a 26 yr old man would be tapped enough to bite another human being once, let alone twice! Perhaps he is beyond punishment.

HB

I suppose your a fecking angel HB, never hurt a soul in your whole pathetic life.

jayus we live in a lovely world were we all live in peace and harmony. yeah right!

What will 3 games more do? Seriously are you that stupid to think that if he had 3 games more in Ajax he wouldn't of done the same thing?

24 Apr 2013 15:24:53
Fa are full if utter persons. Succeded in losing yet another if the worlds best players to walk out of england again on a very downward slope the epl. 10 games what happend to evra other night with fake arm? Thars provocing! persons {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Evra. If Suarez did not do what he did he would not be in the situation he is today.}

Ed I'm sure they've taken the evra incident into consideration. {Ed002's Note - (a) They have judged the offence and taken account of the player's past record in deciding the punishment. (b) The FA did not engineer this outcome - it was an independent commission who would not have needed to exist if Suarez did not commit the offence. (c) It is nothing to do with Evra and what happened on Monday.}

Ha ha ha ha

"what happend to evra other night with fake arm?" - sorry mate but you must be still in primary school?

Biting a human being really isn't that bad (twice remember) but holding a fake arm given to him by a fan - Evra should be banned for life!

Muppet

HB

24 Apr 2013 15:21:07
At least Suarez will be chomping at the bit after his lengthy ban!

Thats the scary part. Who knows who he'll be biting while on his break

24 Apr 2013 15:17:56
10 games! Macmanaman 0 games
Augero 0 games, Ferdinand on Torres 0 games and Alcaraz (3 games)seems fair I think! It would seem the currency is you are ok to spit, kick, mame or punch but not bite.

Need to move on as no benefit in fighting FA as whilst they are correct in banning Suarez I thing 6 games (as not a normal sending off offence) would be appropriate.

Warwickshire Red

He may have taken a bite at him but didn't even cause him an injury, not like the elbowers, the stampers and the stud showing tacklers, that goe virtually unpunished

24 Apr 2013 15:11:03
Suarez gets ten games. Shameful from the FA who have punished the player not the incident. Not half as worse as a two footed tackle. I hope we will appeal that.

DeddyRed {Ed002's Note - You are showing an astonishing level of ignorance of the matter.}

In your opinion Ed002! Remember you have the power to say and show what you choose on this site. I gave an opinion based on facts. Play fair and show the post if you are going to comment on it otherwise don't comment.
DeddyRed {Ed002's Note - No, you showed an extreme level of ignorance of both cases and had clearly not read or understood the differences as expalined by the Commission's reports. This is a common failing.}

Hhmmm Ed002 how is mighty reds showing an astonishing level of ignorance? They have punished the player more than the incident. yes blah blah blah we wouldn't be talking if he hadnt done it but the point is he is getting punished more for what he has done then what happened. if he had a clean past would there still be a 10 match ban?? no there wouldn't be, but I won't agrue with a chelsea fan on this matter as it was your player he did it too. {Ed002's Note - Try reading it again before spouting your drivel.}

Ed002, I was taking the actual incidents that occurred and comparing them to the bans. All the legal detail in between can distort the actual facts. Have you not heard that murderers can be found not guilty in a court of law when they are actually guilty but have a very good legal team. Liverpool took the incident too lightly with the legal backing they gave to Suarez. United went in with a top legal team and came out on top. Chelsea did the same for John Terry and his ban was less despite visual evidence to the contrary. Back to the current incident the ban is too high but not surprising because it’s Suarez. Do you think Terry would have got a ten game ban even with his history on and off the field? Not a chance.
DeddyRed {Ed002's Note - You appear to be a little like Suarez in that you are clearly dumber than a box of rocks. Have someone read the previous findings to you, and perhaps ask someone to explain them in simple terms, possibly a pop up book would help.}

Ed002, when I had you on the hook I just had to reel you in. Pop up books surely that must be a Chelsea fan thing after all at a Euro match a plastic flag is left on the seat with instructions on how to wave it to create an atmosphere.
Deddy Red

24 Apr 2013 15:08:23
BBC saying 10 game ban.

Kernow Red

LFC managing director Ian Ayre said: "Both the club and player are shocked and disappointed at the severity of today's Independent Regulatory Commission decision.

"We await the written reasons tomorrow before making any further comment. " {Ed002's Note - It can hardly have been much of a shock.}

Ed2 so is biting an oppenent worse than racially abusing one as the fa are saying? {Ed002's Note - That is not what they are saying. Get all of these stupid comparisons out of you mind and see that this situation is the result of Suarez being, yet a gain, a complete DF and putting himself in this position. Add to that the various other issues that have arisen since he has been playing in England and it is not surprising that the penalties will be as harsh as they are. He cannot seem to get away from appalling behaviour and constantly giving interviews and making statements that put the club and the FA in difficult situations.}

Ed002, why does Suarez have a chance to appeal the last seven games? Can you explain it please? Thanks.

Disney! {Ed002's Note - Because the minimum ban for violent behaviour is three games so he could appeal the balance.}

Come on Ed its very harsh a 10 game ban hand on heart was you expecting that?. {Ed002's Note - It was harsh - I have already said taht.}

24 Apr 2013 15:01:16
10 games out of order way way to many can't believe it.

24 Apr 2013 15:01:08
10 games what a joke

Biting another player - what a joke!

24 Apr 2013 15:00:42
any news on Suarez yet Eds? Any rumblings over what ban he's been given?

Keep checking websites every 5/10 minutes and its doing my fruit in - meant to be working! {Ed002's Note - He has been banned for 10 games.}

Thanks mate - as soon as I posted that one of my work mates phoned me up to tell me the news

Is it just me or does that seem excessive - what do you think Ed?

Are the FA not then saying that biting someone is worse than anything else - or do you think its due to an accumulation of all the things he's done.

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again - the guys a tool! {Ed002's Note - They are not saying anything beyond that it was judged on its own merits and his previous history since he has been playing in England was taken in to account - no doubt including his quip from whilst he was in the Netherlands last summer. And yes I think it harsh but not unsurprising.}

I think it will be dropped to seven games after appeal. Got a feeling.

Disney!

Just to clarify ed002. When you say his previous history while in England, do you mean the Evra affair? I don't think Suarez has been charged with violent conduct before since being in England. Cheers.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - All of his previous history whilst in England: Evra, the subsequent events, the dumb statements.}

Saying that, just heard it could be increased via an appeal. I think Liverpool will do best to leave this alone. Appealing such an offense doesn't look good for the club either.

Disney!

24 Apr 2013 14:25:28
really want klopp as our manager think he'd be class rather that than a good pr man

24 Apr 2013 14:07:49
if suarez were to be sold we wouldn't be able to attract the same quality player with no euro football and fear a relegation fight with our one dimentional tactics hence the reason I think our style would need to change i'm not saying long ball but a variety of both I think the following players would be great

keep carroll?
benteke
diame
cabaye
de vrij
williams
players with variety of strenghth height good ball control and pace

24 Apr 2013 14:22:58
You think losing Suarez will force us to convert into the new Bolton? Jesus Christ mate. he's the star in our team because its built around him! During Suarezs ban, we played Bellamy and Maxi up front more often, and our gameplay and results improved! It was when Suarez came back we fell apart, because everything went through him, and in his first year he had a 7% conversion rate! that's a goal every 12 shots! I mean come on? This year its up to a goal in every 6 shots, but if he wants to be rated alongside Falcao and Ronaldo, he needs to half that again to a 30% conversion rate. Van Persie for example has scored more goals in half the shots as Suarez. If Suarez leaves, we will not get relegated! We will be in the exact same position because we will just set the team up around a new player.

YNWA! (Adam)

24 Apr 2013 13:55:40
Anybody else think If we'd stuck by Kenny for the remainder of his contract, we'd have got Hyypia as manager in the Summer of 2014? With Rodgers coming in though, I don't think we'll see Hyypia in the dugout any time soon, as I'm willing to bet my quakers porridge oats that Rodgers will get it right soon. If Rodgers doesn't imporve us in his 3 year contract (although I hope he does), who'd take Hyypia anyway?

YNWA! (Adam)

I think if we had stuck with him we would be better than were we are now certainly not better off than last year god knows were we would be if lucas was out half the season and suarez for eight games not to mention them moving goal posts

One of the issues we had was the way we spent money. Did it ever occur to you that by now we may be in administration? I'd stick with Brendan and his ideology. I'd rather take it slow than run a coach that will keep getting expensive players with no results and a potential bankruptcy.

Relegation fight it is then

24 Apr 2013 13:38:13
Eds, I've seen us linked with Loic Remy in the past few days, and it just left me wondering that if we were to poach from QPR when they go down, why not take Cesar also? He's been their best player in an awful season and probably wouldn't cost a lot. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps some sort of sneaky bid?}

24 Apr 2013 13:29:23
Get the suarez t-shirts out again!

Or would it be bib's this time???

Should ask the printer's if they can do a 2 for 1 offer!

24 Apr 2013 13:28:34
ED do you think Dortmund will target Eriksen as Goetze replacement? {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

24 Apr 2013 13:11:09
I have lost respect for Carra after he was instrumental in getting rid of Rafa, but JC has gone up in my estimation after his advocacy of Suarez. He said words to the effect that LFC has stuck by players that have got into trouble in the past and that's what we need to do with Luis! Do you think biting someone is not a lesser crime than simulating snorting a line of coke on the pitch? let's get some perspective and some relativity here. Hats off to you Carra now that's what you call a vice captain!

24 Apr 2013 13:04:18
with evidence of a link between genius and madness do we think suarez fits into this yes his brain is working far harder than a normal person even the eds brains can't keep so even if he goes a bit mad so what
dr noway

24 Apr 2013 13:00:27
anyone else sick of the cockyness of Manchester United fans and players I have personally put 2 of the worse days of this year in, hate them going on and on deep down they hate the FACT we have more european cups than them its all we have I know but I also remind them at least we didn't get relegated during r lean spell picking up the odd european trophy fa cup. Y. N. W. A Tommy Irish Red

So it was ok i'm the past when u used to do it bit now your crap we can't have a gloat? U sound very silly and pathetic.
Keep your 5 European cup unlike yourselves we will have chances to get more.
Lol u do make me laugh thou, children hey
Chris the REDman

"at least we didn't get relegated during r lean spell"

You're right, I can hardly enjoy the the 20th League win for the thought of that relegation!

I bet you watch a lot of the History Channel don't you? Get with the present mate.

24 Apr 2013 19:47:07
ah well at least we r still relevant enough for the Manchester United fans to be on r site, and we will keep r european cups as we got to keep it as we won it that many times. Another cripe I have with utd when chelsea, city won the league all you hear is they bought the league they were lucky only won it on goal diff and all this crap. no whoever wins it deserves it you deserve it now but for gods sake don't be so bitter if someone else wins next year. Tommy Irish Red

24 Apr 2013 12:56:49
Ed, if the Rumours are true and Reina could leave this summer, We'd probably get what, £15m? I'd love to steal Ceasar off of QPR. I reckon we could drive the price down as they will need to sell with his wages (which he is worth! Just too high for a Championship income to sustain). He is in my opinion, still in the top 10 keepers in the world (QPR's defence really isn't doing him justice), and being a keeper, still has 7/8 years to go at the top, by which time, Danny Ward might knock him out the team anyway. We don't need a young Keeper who will be prone to mistakes, our accademy has some great keepers. If Reina goes, we need a proven keeper for the here and now. Don't know about getting Remy for that buy out clause of £8m. He is a great player, and would fit well into a front 3, but I'm not sure he is a composed enough player for our system. Like Ed001 says, he suits counter attacking play. I said the same about Gerrard though, and he's adapted, so players with class can do it. If Remy would drop his wages slightly, and take a more performance based contract though, I'd say at £8m he is worth the gamble.

YNWA! (Adam) {Ed002's Note - QPR are a very wealthy team and certainly do not "need to sell" for financial reasons.}

24 Apr 2013 13:17:07
I didn't mean to suggest that Ed, I know QPR have a billionaire owner. But surely they won't want to be paying nearly £200k a week on two players, mostly from their own pocket? As well as that, those players, I would assume, will try to force their way out in an attempt to make the 2014 world cup squads for their respective nations. I simply meant that they could probably be picked up relatively cheap for a few reasons due to QPR's impending relegation. Sorry for the wording, I am well aware of QPR's riches :)

YNWA! (Adam) {Ed002's Note - Remy will be leaving.}

24 Apr 2013 12:32:44
I'd like to see us buy:

Alderweireld, Zambrano, Alonso, Eriksen, Remy

Wish for the moon my dear. That's a better possibility.

24 Apr 2013 12:05:22
Hi Eds and fellow fans,

I have a question regarding a rumor going around in South Africa, and was hoping the Ed's could shed some truth on the matter. I have heard that The Reds are going to be visiting Cape Town. Is it true? and if so, When? Some are saying May 21st, but I find it unlikely as they play QPR on the 19th.

Any Info regarding this would be much appreciated.
Really hope this is true.

Thanks
Faizal {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any visit to South Africa being planned.}

I believe Everton are going to South Africa not Liverpool they are off to Australia in the Summer!

24 Apr 2013 10:53:43
Ed 001
In my early 'rant' at 4. 27am, I wasn't implying Barca are doomed but merely pointing out that even Barca come unstuck AND we don't have the players to play that system continously in the PL. 'Look what happened to Barca' means even Barca did not have a plan B, very much like us.
I just want Carroll back, because we must find a way to utilise his immense aerial power.

24 Apr 2013 12:49:09
Dont worry mate. you can see them scoring 3-4 goals at camp nou with the same plan.

Why do everyone think we try to play like Barcelona? Just because of this tiki take bulls**t and we play attractive football? Come on guys we don't model our team on barca, rodgers has a few ideas similar. We have played 442 this season for a few games, you will never see Barcelona do this.

13reds

24 Apr 2013 11:47:43
your talent does not give you a hall pass to do as you please on the football pitch.

Suarez showed how immature and mentally unstable he is.

do we actually need all of that drama in our team in the current state that we are in?

Yes because without him we would be playing in the championship next year. Take away he's goals and we are no better than villa.

I think the OP has actually hit the nail on the head finally with the Suarez thing.

Look at it from his team mates point of view:-

He came to LFC with a considerable amount of baggage ( more than most ) potentially unsettling in itself!

He has dragged LFC into an unnecessary scandal concerning abuse of a fellow pro.

Now BiteGate (AGAIN! )

Come on what value do you put on a player that could quite easily disrupt all the hard work and professionalism that his manager team mates et al put into building your club up again?

Blue247

Take away Suarez goals and we would be like villa. Really? What a stupid thing to say! You can say that about any team in the premiership! Where would utd be without van persie goals? The list could go on and on! Pathetic

24 Apr 2013 11:44:54
I am really gutted about Suarez. We need to sell him elsewhere now and replace him with another genius. Only problem is that these type of players are hard to come by. We have nothing to offer top players to come to us. That is the sad reality whichever way you want to see it. Brendan has a small budget to work with. He is really a good manager. I hope that he is able to change our fortunes. FSG may have led people to believe that they saved LFC but the reality is that they will offload it as soon as thet get a good buyer. Following Borrusia Dortmunds model of doing business is not easy. Having world class youngsters coming thru is very hard. Suso, Sterling and Wisdom are more less the only ones that have come thru. How many of them have actually got what it takes to make the final adjustment to the 1st team. I am traveling from South Africa for the Everton game. This is my seventh time travelling to Anfield. My brother who is a Manchester United supporter says I shouldn't waste my time as we don't win anything Every time I see my
team play and just sitting in Anfield Makes me happy. My son will be coming with me. This will be the last time we make this journey as it's too expensive now. Win or lose LFC for life. YNWA
Red Tony
makes me so happy it's crazy.

Good to know there are folks like you still around :)

The real AG

24 Apr 2013 11:39:53
All this talk about Suarez and should he stay or go. One thing I have not seen mentioned is the clubs possible thinking with backing him.
If Liverpool come out now and say he has to go and is for sale, surely his value will drop. Other clubs will drive the price down as low as possible knowing that Liverpool are desperate to get him off the books.
If Liverpool back him publicly to the extent they have, the will maintain his market value. Then if someone comes in with a "pre bite" valuation of him they can sell.
Just my opinion, I hope we don't sell him but he has to get the help he needs and we need to support him

24 Apr 2013 13:26:26
If you feel your Plan A is not good enough or adaptable enough to win every game, then I'd suggest changing plan A, not having a backup plan B.

Personally, I prefer the way Fergie and Mourinho do their jobs. They set the team up every week in a way specifically designed to beat that particualr opposition. I call it "counter style football". Its why they both depnd on such huge squads. Their plan A, is effectively to attack the oppositions weak points. It is just an adaptable plan A.

If plan B is more likely to get you the points than Plan A, why not build the team around Plan B in the first place? Its nice to have different options, but I'd prefer a little tweaking of how we attack, rather than a complete change in style. That might be what you are suggesting. But in my opinon, the best way to beat teams like Stoke and West Ham is to keep it on the deck. Surely putting it in the air, is playing to their strengths? We need a physical midfielder to win us the battles against these teams, not a physical striker to lump it in the box at. Carroll is a nice option to have, but he needs to find a way of fitting into the style we play. As all our players simply use him as an easy option to hoof it out, rather than build an attack.

YNWA! (Adam)

24 Apr 2013 11:05:48
Life on Suarez.

It's been a hot topic recently, and I've waited a few days purposely to let the air cool a little. The purpose of this post is to simply explore if we should sell him, what would happen if we did, and how would the club be after. So let's start with.

To Sell or Not to Sell?
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Let me make it clear from the start, I do not like Luis Suarez. As a footballer he is outstanding, but his character is seriously questionable. Anybody thinking I'm wrong should only look at the fact that he has done something very wrong at every club he has played for in europe. He took Groningen to court to engineer a move to Ajax. At Ajax he bit someone and was then sold to Liverpool, where he was banned for making a comment which was construed as racist. When all that blew over and he was starting to be noticed on talent alone again. he bit someone again.

If he played for any other team we would all dislike him like other teams dislike him. Making comparisons with other teams is silly, we are not those teams. Yes united might have kept cantona after attacking a fan, they might have stood behind Rio as he dodged drugs tests and disgraced himself and his club. Are we Man United? No. For every example you can think where a team did stand behind their player there are examples of some that didn't (Chelsea and Mutu).

Should we sell? The club, fans and manager should only look at one single factor when deciding to sell any player. Does it benefit Liverpool? In this case it does. If we were to receive 45-50m for him, that could strengthen a few areas of our team and still have change left over. In addition to that we have a wealth of attacking talent in our youth team.

How Would the Club be After?
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Is Suarez indispensable? No. People will disagree but consider this, how many people thought Torres was indispensable? Then came Suarez. Keep going back through history and you'll find whenever we have lost a key striker. we replaced him. Keegan, Fowler, Owen, Torres. is Suarez so much better than all these that we could not replace him? The one area of the field where we seem able to replace at will is striker. The club would arguably be better off, since we would be have the funds to plug those defensive gaps and still probably have 20m left to buy his replacement.

In conclusion, selling Suarez would not be the end of the club, it could actually benefit the club. Yes he is supremely talented, but we replaced many strikers before. Only a couple of years ago people on here were saying that we would never find a striker better than Torres, now people laugh that we ever considered him the best striker at the club.

I disagree. It will be difficult to find a player of his quality and work rate considering our position now: No champions league and no high wages and transfer fees.

I could give you an example, after selling Owen and before buying Torres, there was 3 seasons in between where we had Kuyt, Crouch, Bellamy as the main strikers. In that period, considering we were in Champions League and in my opinion had bought a world class striker, would have gone on to push for a Premier League title.

The real AG

I really can't see any other team paying 50mil for a player that is a liability! Would be lucky to get 30mil at this piont in time. there for its better to keep him. i'm a suarez fan fyi.

OredZ

Were you in the CL when you signed Suarez?

Liverpool is still one of the biggest clubs in the world and they can still sign quality players.

24 Apr 2013 12:56:10
Were you in the CL when you signed Suarez?

Liverpool is still one of the biggest clubs in the world and they can still sign quality players.

The above statement is rubbish.
we were not in CL when we signed, But we had money, new owners and ambition like city to invest.

Now we have absolutly nothing. left with some allens and borinis.
we are miles of the champions league spot.

gyfi sigguerdsan snubbed us for Spurs. can u believe that? and probably he is playing CL next seaosn.

Can you also guarantee of CL next seaosn.

neitehr cavani, nor higuain or falcao or any other top strikers will even come near to us.

24 Apr 2013 10:25:31
That Jupp Heynckes, by the way, is that the same fella that played in the 60's and 70's, our old foe from Borussia Monchengladbach?
The Juicer

24 Apr 2013 10:20:16
Is it me or do the Daily Mail hate Liverpool. To call him a shameless star is just a bit like a low blow. He has said sorry and while I will never condone what he has done and think he deserves a ban the reported 8 games seems a bit long. I think 5 games is about right. He needs help to control he's bad temper and I think he will take it. He is a role model and there was no real reason for him to do it so I felt he let us all down on Sunday, but the british press have loved every second of it. Some of the headlines are a bit to far but I expect nothing else from them. Liverpool is an institution and Suarez needs to understand that he's actions are not acceptable but he will always be a great player if he is here next year or not. He will always get bums of seats because he has magic in those feet.

How many times does he appologies? After every incident! Promises the world and does it again! He will never change! Harsh as it seems he is a throw back to the neanderthal man! Just surprised he can talk and doesn't drag his knuckles!

The Mail gave 5 pages to the reaction of Suarez. They gave 3 pages to the reaction of the Boston Bombings.

Now whatever happened with Suarez, however bad or not that bad it might have been, does it really deserve significantly more coverage then a potential terrorist attack? {Ed002's Note - Take it to the Conspiracy page. Perhaps of Suarez was not constantly the DF that he is then it wouldn't happen. No doubt you will have plenty to grizzle about later or in the morning.}

Come on Ed002, really? I mean it's a big incident and deserved prominence, but more so then a terrorist attack? That's a conspiracy theory? No, it's just a sign of a paper who shuns away from real reporting to regurgitate popular view. {Ed002's Note - No, it is simply an irrational comparison.}

Is that you just realising how much the DM dislikes Liverpool and anything related? it is almost as bad as that other paper that takes its name from the bright yellow thing in the sky. every day it is a love in with MU, MC, TH or The goons. Its not just the transfer "rumours" etc its the way they word them to be so disparaging and derogatory. They don't like the fact LFC are still the most succesful club. And I may be wrong, but that is the same rag who had Gotze joining the goons as part of a "wenger spending spree" only a few weeks back, that tells its own story. take my advice and pay no notice to it

{Ed002's Note - Why not ask the current Liverpool player who is employed to write for the Daily Mail?}

24 Apr 2013 10:08:23
Hi ed

Have Liverpool, or any other club showed any interest in either Brendon Galloway or Dele Alli from MK Dons? Think both have got a big future in the game. {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, sorry.}

24 Apr 2013 09:53:29
If Suarez gets anymore than three games it is a joke. I believe that they will punish the man not the incident that's why he will get more than three games. I mean no harm as been done to Ivanovic. But the media and everybody else as gone nuts because its Suarez.

I just can't get enough.

He had a 7 match ban before for biting and still hasn't learnt his lesson - he really should have at least another 7 + match ban

What a fool, if he gets any more than 3 games it is a joke?

It was more than a straight red challenge and he has done it before. he will get at least a 7 match ban.

24 Apr 2013 08:48:53
Eds If Suarez Challenges his ban would it make him available for Newcastle {Ed002's Note - It would but I would be very surprised if the club let it happen.}

Who's on the 'independant panel' this time ed002?
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - Sorry, I don't know.}

24 Apr 2013 08:38:56
Eriksen looks set to join city sadly but you still never know!

My targets would be:
Alderwield
Alonso
Carra (1 more season)
Gaitan
Eriksen (although looking unlikely now)

I would have argued with you that alderwiereld was going to spurs! But apparently they think he's too slow for their system? I'm also hearing and has since been posted on news now that vertonghan is talking the player out of a move to anfield?!

If the player can be talked out of moving to Anfield by a man who has been there once in his life and lost, then he's not a character we are likely to warm to anyway

Its on news now sam! I suppose vertonghan see's what's going on as he lives over here now! As I've. Said b4 I have contacts at spurs and they think he's too slow?

I didn't say it didn't happen (although I doubt it), I said if it happened it's probably a lucky escape for us as that sort of fickle decision making is not the type of character we as a club generally warm to

24 Apr 2013 07:05:26
What a player Javi Martinez is. My God.
He kept messi in his pocket.
the guy looks sublime.
33 mil pound. worth every bit of it.
he is the wall in bayerns midfield.

They have the best team in the world.
gomez/mandukzic in attack

ribery and robben in wings

muller behind.
martinez and schweingstiger in the midfield.

Behave yourself.
Messi clearly wasn't fit.
Two goals from corners, two goals that should have been ruled out as well.
Fair play to Bayern who were much better than a very below par Barca last night. But usual press over-reaction, asking if they're the best ever Bayern side. Pah, couldn't hold a candle to the mid 70's side. Who Liverpool stuffed at Anfield by the way in Alun Evans finest hour.
The Juicer

They have a fantastic team I agree. They mix the physical aspects with flair very well. One problem they had over the past few seasons has been the defense. But with the emergence of Alaba and the capture of Dante and Neur, they seem a very well balanced team.

The real AG

This its wot Lfc shudve done during the market, wot did this sucker of brendon did, make changes, he replaced carrol and kuyt wif borini a bigger flop, replaced aquaman wif another flop on Allen, we shudve done wot bayern did add on wot we need, they added javi Martinez, we needed was a finisher Jackson Martinez, Steven jovetic, even falcao wudve come if we wurve offer 4 him 35 millions, at the of the day we spent 30 millions in the summer and 20 millions in the winter, and this its a lot a lot of money, on not getting top 4, and trophy less season, becouse of the stupid desition of brendon on makin changes instead of adding, and the changes we made wer the worstvever a any team can do, now we r 5 to 10 years backwards, brendon its not a right man to take us forward, wot du u think we will come good in couple of season, so that's mean the top 4 challengers will b waiting 4 us sitting on chair, not I'm affraid. They will improve better than us on simple reason they got a better manager and clever than us.

Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time Harry?

Why would Javi Martinez and Falcao come as the poster a few up said? They could hand pick any team in the world. Some people are still too thick to realise the position we are in will not attract the big names for a long time until we build up a top four squad from the players such as Borini, Allen, Coutinho etc

24 Apr 2013 06:53:41
Who do you see the most likely to bid for Suarez if anyone?

Juve and bayern but feel juve won't match our valuation if one

24 Apr 2013 10:00:11
Probably Bayern Munich.
The team will become the best in the world for several years.

Probably Bayern. Although I would be interested to see what plans and tactics Pep has, how he will set the new team up. Will it be a Barca Mk2?
I'm not wholly convinced. He is likely to change a winning formula, new players to settle in. Big ego's, high wages. How will it go down with the German core of the team?
Very interesting. I have a sneaking suspicion it may end in tears for Pep there.
The Juicer

24 Apr 2013 04:32:24
What Suarez did was an absolute disgrace. No arguing that point, but you lot simply cannot sell him. If the club comes out with sponsors aren't happy etc etc. it means they want the cash. simples! He is by far Liverpools best player and to get a replacment world class centre forward/playmaker to a club in your position is, no offence, going to be very difficult. This is from a united fan

24 Apr 2013 04:27:50
It sickens me to the bone to see the media vultures rounding in on Suarez! Even the prime minister has commented on this incident! What the f--k is that about! Run the country wil you?
Has the world gone mad or is it just the English press, short of real stories, are making a meal of this! Suarez will get a lenghty ban, the corpses/suits etc. at the FA have already decided. Horrific, career ending tackles go unpunished but personic acts of frustration are treated like murder! And some bigger persons are calling for Suarez to be sacked! Did Man United sack Cantona? Wake up people, Suarez is worth his weight in gold to us. Gerrard beginning to slow, as all great players do with age, and if Suarez is sold we will be the mid table team Mr Rodgers - with this tikky-takky football (look what happened to Barca) and selling Carroll - always aimed to make us!
Support Suarez, have Carroll back and two more additions and will be challenging. Not the top 4, challenging. if only! {Ed001's Note - look what happened to Barca? You mean being 13 points clear at the top of La Liga? What a ridiculous comment, to base your opinion on one game against the best team in Europe.}

Think he's trying to state there are always flaws in the way teams play barca are no exception unless messi is fit and on form which we don't have were trying to follow that way a way that yes does work in la liga but woudnt every game in the prem due to the physical side

I'm hoping Real Madrid prove you wrong there ed001.
Although, given that the final is at Wembley, a German team is bound to win it!
But a Xabi goal in extra time, bouncing down off the crossbar and on the goaline, would go down very nicely with me!
The Juicer

23 Apr 2013 22:48:43
All eds I personally rate shelvey quite highly, do any of the eds?
What reason does he want to leave or does BR want rid {Ed001's Note - because he is not playing regularly, which is because he has not been good enough when he has had a chance. He is only young, but he doesn't seem to have what it takes right now. It is up to him though, because it is clear that there is ability there, he is just unable to get the most from it. My personal opinion is that he is trying too hard, hence his stupid tackles etc. Anyway, it is not sure he does want to leave, he just wants to play, which he isn't doing, so there is a good chance he will move on to get games.}

23 Apr 2013 20:26:49
Is it just me or has Alexis Sanchez got ruined at Barca? Used to be fast, tricky, skilful and very explosive.
He was a spectacle running at defenders with the ball at his feet.
I remember him even drawing comparisons with Ronaldo, rightly so.

Whilst he may not have reached the Portuguese's level, he had all the talent to be top five in the world.
I just think he went to the wrong club.
I was glad when United didn't get him, but to be fair, it would have been the perfect move for him.

Old d/head whiskynose would sure have made a beast of the lad. Like him or not, he the dogs b******* at developing talent.

Ed01, I know you yourself were/are a fan. What's your two cents? You also think the lad's game changed for the worst? Has he progressed in your view?

jara {Ed001's Note - he has struggled, they just don't suit his style of play and he is trying to play to their strengths, rather than his own. I think a move is what he needs, he would be immense at a club like Bayern.}

24 Apr 2013 10:02:38
Suarez Muller sanchez.
my god. that's unbeatble.

24 Apr 2013 01:46:42
Has the world gone mad. Suarez was stupid, no defence for what he did, deserves to be punished but it has to be an appropriate punishment and not one demanded by an hysterical overreaction by the general media. that David Cameron came out with a comment shows just how over the top this whole thing has become, I was waiting for an interview with the pope and possibly a remark from the North Korean leader, Suarez on the front page of papers Suarez on the back pages, the terrorist attack in Boston relegated to pages 4 and 5, is this the state of journalism at the moment, gossip mongering and rabble rousing, its pathetic. If journalists had put half as much effort into investigating the cover up after Hillsborough as they have into castigating Suarez we wouldn't have had to wait 23 years to finally have the truth.

Cameron just wanted to get his teeth into something to deflect from the home crisis

In fairness, Cameron's comment was essentially 'leave me alone, this is nothing to do with the PM department or the government at all, stop asking stupid questions'

To be fair Cameron hasn't said anything, his spokesperson was asked about it and he said that Footballer's are role models and need to set an example, but it is an issue for the FA to sort out.

24 Apr 2013 01:29:45
Suarez is better than cavani and falcao, back him? You bet I will! He is vital if we ever want to compete at the top in the near future

Thats why "sell him" was the first thing every rival was saying

How about we extend his contract!

Suarez! Suarez! Suarez!

He is great when he is on the pitch but at ajax and lfc he has missed a lot of games for very very controversial things do we want a player who seems to miss the last games of the season on a regular basis I am so sad but because of this we have to be realistic and let him go, ajax would have kept him but they saw the light we will still love him like ajax fans do but we need some one else.

24 Apr 2013 01:00:12
Hey Eds,
To stop the relentless Suarez discussions, what are our plans for CB in the summer?
It looks like we're selling Skrtel and Coates, and the only other people I hear mention is Diakite (Lazio) and Alderweireld (Ajax).
There must be more names floating about?
If things are desperate I can see Carra staying to help the club out, but that's not an ideal scenario as we need to think for the future (we ain't going to win the league next year), so rather settle someone in during "hopefully" one of the last transition seasons to really push on for the coming seasons.
Ta,
Benito

24 Apr 2013 00:42:33
Very well said mate. Seen quite a few people undermining the obvious that he needs help. Can't quite see how our fans our more eager to get rid of him then an ex man united player. The irony

London red
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London red mate its impossible to help Suarez,

You just have to listen what players have to say who have played with Suarez or players who have been his victim and staffs at ajax.

Suarez reacts like that when things don't go his way or the team he plays are losing, so he gets frustrated and wants to win at all cost.

What makes Suarez world class

1) Skills

2)Passion

3)Madness

4) Will to win

5) Never give up.

6) Fire etc!

Now if you help/Counselling him you have already destroy him as player, because the reason he reacts for his behavoiur is the same reason what makes Suarez as a player this is what ajax staffs had to say.

Yeah I completely agree that he has to live on the edge as its a massive part of his game but he needs cancelling or something to make sure he don't go over the line. Which is possible because no footballer/human being should feel the need to bite anyone even when your in a fight

I actually personally think he went crazy because he gave away a penalty. As soon as that happened he went even more mental then usual

London red

Yes, he has all of that, but he's also willing to do everything in order to win the match, including cheating

24 Apr 2013 10:05:13
And he is doing all those to win the match for Liverpool Fc. probably fans.
he loves us. more than anything.
never refused to be in training or match.
he trains every day.
if he remain inhur free hw wil probbaly play 50 games a seaosn. he is that committed.
He recieves the same love from us which he got at Ajax.
If he stays and probably play for another 5-6 years. he will be an absolute legend.

24 Apr 2013 00:39:49
how can we as a club not win the prem when over the years we've had some of the finest players in the last 20 years in our team alonso masha gerrard torres hyppia suarez carra babbel owen fowler Macca to name but a few were did we go wrong surely we should have won at least one title

24 Apr 2013 01:49:34
Because Ferguson is managing man united, Liverpool are never going to win league title when Fergie is at united, that will never happen mate.

Whenever we have come close fergie does something crazy in media and turns the tide, and suddenly we fall like pack of cards, 1st with houllier when we were first and only 8 games were left with 8 points clear united who were 2nd, fergie from no where played his mind games in media with Houllier and they went to win league title we finished 2nd, then with Benitez when we were unbeaten and were leading united by 12 points and only 12 games were left, once again fergie played his old trick in media with Benitez and again we fall like pack of cards and united when to win league title and we finished 2nd.

Ferguson is exceptional manager who doesn't even attend united training sessions but very clever in media and knows this league in and out, he is most punished manager in history of English football, at one point FA got tired and left him to do whatever he was doing and Fergie took full advantage of it by bullying refree, officials etc, and created a reputation which helps united win trophys, as a lot of 50-50 decisions goes in their favour.

Liverpool have won the league title twice whilst Fergie has been Manchester United manager.

Pretty sure the fat waiter done it to himself with his pathetic 'facts' typical Liverpool to blame every1 else. What about when Chelsea won the league? What about when man city won the league? What about when arsenal won the league? What about when Blackburn won the league? Why didn't fergie use his magic media wand and make them fall like a pack of cards?

Perth!

Lol, you talk as if saf mind games produce some sort of invisible ray that renders an opponent useless lmao. when you are in the pub and your mate gives you stick about your new haircut, do you crumble and run out of the bar and hide under your bed for a fortnight untill your hair grows a bit lmao, I don't think so, you just say to your mate "well your wife liked it the other night when I called around your house but you where working late that's a nice new 3 piece suite you got by the way, lol, mind games! its just a bit of banter that's all

Fergies mind games to not render 'an opponent' useless. They render us useless, because they get to us and are focused on us more than anyone else. It's our fault that they get to us - we need to be less emotional and tougher

Actually the mancs give arsene wenger more stick at the swamp than most, and if my manc mates are anything to go by, they all hate him. why?, because for a while when arsenal where challenging he out-mind-gamed fergie, "everyone thinks they've got the best looking wife at home" was a classic

24 Apr 2013 00:17:51
for a while I have believed that Journalism has died and has been replaced by stupidity.
Today flicking through the papers I saw article after article of Saurez is a monster but one stupid article caught my eye.
Where LFC would be without Saurez Goals and assists 5th from bottom. Any argument made has to be quiet weighed up but here is the stupidity of such an article of course LFC would be down the bottom as we would be playing every game with 10 players. Saurez is a genius on the pitch sometimes an person but he gives us 100%. Personally hope the media witch hunt does not make him leave. Saurez will get slapped so hard he will of wished he bit harder but when he comes back he should play with same intensity and desire. I do not buy into him embarrassing LFC but himself, LFC embarrassed themselves when they wore those stupid tshirts this time they dealt with the issue perfectly. If anything FA are embarrassing for stating their intent to punish Saurez again for as much as they can get away with. Saurez will be banned for 8-16 matches (he will be back in November no matter who he plays for )guess if the journalists picked our team we are playing those games with 10 players.

Moroccan Red

The argument of 'where would we be without him' supposes that every goal or chance would just be taken out by nothing, and we'd play with 10 men. If we didn't have Suarez, someone else would be doing something else and we have no idea where in the league we'd be - it probably wouldn't be where we are, but to say it would be bottom 5 is ridiculous. Everything on the pitch is geared to get him into the game - if he wasnt playing then someone else would be getting more chances and creating more