Liverpool Banter Archive April 24 2016

 

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24 Apr 2016 12:23:34
Hi Ed's,

Is there any insurance measures around players with regards to Sakhos current situation?

Obviously he is a multimillion pound asset. If he rules himself out of contention for 6 months + where does that leave the club?

If we were to release him, do we receive anything due to his misdemeanour?

Ed's, what is normal course of action for a player found guilty of such things? Toure and Mutu come to mind as past offenders for drug offences, are there any other big ones?

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{Ed002's Note - If the club were to release him they get nothing. There is no insurance for this. Toure was let go on a free transfer the year after his ban. Chelsea were less tolerant and sacked Mutu and started legal proceedings for complensation against him.}

24 Apr 2016 20:36:15
In case we do not release him, do we have to continue paying his wages? And is there any provision to get any reimbursement from the player in terms of his contract length being run down because of the ban?
I am hoping ban is less than a year!


{Ed002's Note - If he stays at the club the club pay his wages - they can fine him. If they sack him they could sue for breach of contract and if they release him nothing.}

24 Apr 2016 20:51:46
Is there ever any clause written into a contract that penalises the player if they are found guilty of substance offences?


{Ed002's Note - This is a banned substance - the club can deal with the player in any way they wish.}

24 Apr 2016 21:15:40
Personally, I hope he simply apologises for his error and we allow him to continue his career after his ban. After his ban he has served his sentence and has every right to the liberties he was afforded prior to the offense.
He has not hurt anyone else, nor will it negatively affect the image of the club, he has cocked up.
When you look at other players who have done far worse in terms of drugs and continued their career it makes Sakho like an Angel.

Jose Baxter - Ecstacy
Adrian Mutu - Cocaine?
Bosnich -?
Jake Livermore - Cocaine
Lee Bowyer - Cannabis

Looking at those above, who have taken illegal drugs and still been alright, Toure and Sakho taking fat burners doesn't look too bad at all.


{Ed002's Note - The image of the club will be tarnished - at the very least this is yet another significant embarrassment. If they come to test the rest of the players at the club (far from out of the question) and another has erred, Liverpool will be out of Europe for this season and probably two more. Comparisons to others is simply yet another pitiful attempt to take attention away.}

24 Apr 2016 23:35:43
I love sahko and think he could become a great defender and the thought of him leaving because of this is not good .
But .
If he was a sprinter in athletics and he had been found guilty of taking a banned substance everyone would be happy to see them banned never to return to the sport .
So if he is proved guilty of taking the substance then Liverpool will have no choice but to get rid and I will have to listen to more rubbish slating Liverpool from my mancs supporting friends with short memories.

I really hope this is a mistake but I get the feeling we won't see him play for us again .


24 Apr 2016 23:33:29
Ed what do u suggest Liverpool do in relation to sakho? Release him and lose what ever sell on value he has after his ban. Comparisons to others is only to show that this is not the first time a footballer has messed up and won't be the last. Significant embarrassment to who? Liverpool, you are kidding right. Before u go listing off Suarez and Stevies book, look at other clubs in the league. Every club has their fair share, (Chelsea more so than any)


{Ed002's Note - Sorry - it is nothing to do with Chelsea whatsoever - yet another embarrassing attempt by a Liverpool fan to deflect a Liverpool problem and make it about Chelsea. As for you thinking that the club will not be significantly embarrassed by this - they will. This is a significant embarrassment to the club who could face difficult questions yet again. This is a club currently facing two UEFA charges. A club with a history of problems. If you think the owners or even Klopp are going to simply laugh this off you are not just embarrassingly stupid, but deluded as well.}

25 Apr 2016 01:05:59
I think selling him to China club for reasonable price sounds plausible.


25 Apr 2016 02:41:18
This is the third player of a team I love getting busted for drugs. In the case of the 1st 2. They are Steelers key players Bell and Bryant. Bothell suspended for toking. Clearly I see no issue with this just to say if I was offered a multi millions a year contract, I'd stop smoking. In Bryant case it is stupidity which allowed him to get suspended for the year. If he didn't have the talent to win football games like he does he would be gone. Still on last chance.
I feel Sakho should be given the benefit of the doubt about his doping. If it's true he took a supplement that had banned ingredients that again is stupidity or ignorance. That can be forgiven. If it was doping that's another. I believe in 2nd chances. My question is does the club see as talented enough to give him chance.


25 Apr 2016 05:40:33
Toure took the same banned substance as Sakho? Hate to say it, but it now makes us wonder about that celebration after his goal, when he ran to Toure.


25 Apr 2016 07:22:55
He will be banned by Uefa (6 months), my guess. He will stay at Lfc and then play when his ban is over. He is an idiot, i don't know what goes thru players heads. I also don't see the reason to over think these situations. Selling him to China? Would he even want to go there?


25 Apr 2016 07:50:41
Ed not to stir the pot but. let's be honest with ones self. You were the culprit who brought up Chelsea in relation to someone's question regarding SAKHO. The question had nothing to do with Mutu and chelsea but you felt like you had to talk about it. Then as others started to compare the two you started throwing a tantrum. that's not cool, a man should know his own mistakes.

Also on about this is significant embarrassment to the club…. don't make a mountain out of a hill. Make no mistake its no laughing matter and the player will answer for his mistake and club will also reprimand the player. Worst comes to worst we sell him as non of the CB's are safe from being shown the door, but to talk about releasing and sacking a player for this is a bit overkill isn't it. Just my thought.


{Ed001's Note - can you not read?? The original question mentioned Mutu. Jesus this is embarrassing.}

25 Apr 2016 07:51:25
Ed002 is right in what he says.

IF he is guilty I can't see him staying at the club.


25 Apr 2016 08:19:35
There isn't much in sport worse than being a drugs cheat and he deserves to have the book thrown at him. As much as I loved him as a player, it's inexcusable and he deserves no leniency from the club whatsoever. It;s actually significantly worse than other examples like Mutu or Bowyer because it's not recreational, it's performance enhancing which means he's not just a stupid idiot with a party lifestyle that has caught up with him, he's a cheat.


25 Apr 2016 07:50:41
Ed not to stir the pot but. let's be honest with ones self. You were the culprit who brought up Chelsea in relation to someone's question regarding SAKHO. The question had nothing to do with Mutu and chelsea but you felt like you had to talk about it. Then as others started to compare the two you started throwing a tantrum. that's not cool, a man should know his own mistakes.

Also on about this is significant embarrassment to the club…. don't make a mountain out of a hill. Make no mistake its no laughing matter and the player will answer for his mistake and club will also reprimand the player. Worst comes to worst we sell him as non of the CB's are safe from being shown the door, but to talk about releasing and sacking a player for this is a bit overkill isn't it. Just my thought.


{Ed001's Note - can you not read?? The original question mentioned Mutu. Jesus this is embarrassing.}

25 Apr 2016 07:51:25
Ed002 is right in what he says.

IF he is guilty I can't see him staying at the club.


25 Apr 2016 08:19:35
There isn't much in sport worse than being a drugs cheat and he deserves to have the book thrown at him. As much as I loved him as a player, it's inexcusable and he deserves no leniency from the club whatsoever. It;s actually significantly worse than other examples like Mutu or Bowyer because it's not recreational, it's performance enhancing which means he's not just a stupid idiot with a party lifestyle that has caught up with him, he's a cheat.


24 Apr 2016 23:55:15
History of problems? Haven't all clubs. Which ones run smoothly Ed. I never said klopp or owners will just laugh this off. If guilty sakho should be punished, no player is bigger than any club, (John terry aside) . But when u say yet more embrassment try not to sound so smug, it wasn't so long ago your lot were the ones on the end of a PR disaster. If banned Liverpool will replace him and move on. No big deal.


{Ed002's Note - You have no understanding at all of any of this. I have no idea why you have mentioned John Terry nor the ridiculous "your lot". The constant attempts at deflection away from Liverpool are embarrassinging.}

25 Apr 2016 00:11:10
Hi Ed. hope all is well. You mention above that if another player is found to have used illegal substances we could be kicked out of Europe for 1-3 seasons. Would that still apply if a non-European registered player was found to be using illegal substances? Say Ward or Stewart.
Many thanks.


{Ed002's Note - It has never happened before so there is no precident - but I would expect so.}~

24 Apr 2016 12:14:42
Afternoon ed

On the sakho situation if the club were to release him, were would that leave the club financially ie. Transfer value?

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{Ed002's Note - If they were to release him he would become a free agent and the club would not have any money from him.}

24 Apr 2016 18:22:02
Hi Eds, I've just read in the liverpool echo that we could renew our interest in mephis depay as they might sell him, if he is available i hope we don't go in for him because he as already turned his back on us so it shows he does not want to play for us anyway.

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24 Apr 2016 18:50:06
And more importantly he is shockingly poor. Dodged a bullet there massively.


24 Apr 2016 19:00:02
Who cares if he wants to play for us or not, he's been piss poor and has a terrible attitude, klopp wouldn't take him on a free.


24 Apr 2016 19:14:40
Regardless where he goes, it is another demonstration of how hard it is to predict how signings will do. Many people here were gutted that he went to ManU rather than to us, many people thought that the Swinestiger wil be a fantastic signing, people here were full of praise to Wilfried Bony, Mitrovich was talked here as some kind of legend. So it is not only us who got it wrong with Benteke. It is more tricky to get singings work than it may look.


24 Apr 2016 19:47:31
Coutinho plays in his position and we got Ibe and Ojo . So no depay choice man united now he has to live with it.


24 Apr 2016 20:31:20
Forget Depay. I have faith in our youngens like Ibe and Ojo. Ibe has had a tough season, but there aren't many footballers who haven't had any hardships in their career. I'm hoping this helps him the bounce back stronger and become a class player.


24 Apr 2016 21:26:33
To e fai mitrovic has had a pretty solid 1st up season for a team unexpectedly fighting relegation.


24 Apr 2016 21:44:47
Aweful player and want nothing to do with him. He rejected us and for that I will be forever grateful for being rejected.


25 Apr 2016 00:20:19
You lot are so quick to shoot a player down. All of a sudden Depay is now a terrible player? Last season he was brilliant. Could it be beyond the realms of possibilities he hasn't settled and some players take more than 9 months to settle into new countries etc. You just write players off like that. I remember a certain Nemanja Vidic having a torrid first 6 months, didn't turn out to bad tho did he. Last year you were all slamming Lovern and Lallana be they're gods gift. Unreal how quick to judge some people are.


25 Apr 2016 01:15:29
Stand make a good point. but support united, so you are wrong. He isn't a young player in a new league and country, players never improve after their first season, and he said he hates Marisa Tomei. terrible human being and an even worst footballer.


25 Apr 2016 14:49:26
Stand, he`s your player so you deal with him.


24 Apr 2016 18:10:35
Puts into context how much work we still have to do, leicester about to convincingly win the title, we couldn't do it with suarez, Gerrard etc now we are stuck with migs and a bloated underachieving team.

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24 Apr 2016 18:41:11
Pointless comparison which doesn't put anything into context imo. Look at Leicester last year. Look at Blackburns success after winning the title. To win the Premier League there needs to be a lot of factors working in your favour beyond buying a bunch of good players. Confidence, work ethic, team cohesion, spirit, fitness, tactics, lack of distractions, etc, etc, etc. We were close to that magic formula in BRs second season and for some reason Leicester have managed to find it at the moment. I'm not convinced that Leicester will even get top 4 next year, nor am I convinced that we couldn't win the league ourselves. I certainly think we have come a huge step closer to achieving success under Klopp than we were at the beginning of the season.


24 Apr 2016 18:42:56
Underachieving because of players like migs. This needs to be the summer where we don't take risks or overpay for average players that look good at small clubs and just buy quality. Easier said than done but we never done that with Rogers that's for sure. So if that changes and we get the players that will actually improve our starting 11 then things will naturally improve. I don't see us challenging next season if I'm honest but I sure as hell see us getting top 4.

We need to get rid of the underachievers once and for all and get players playing at clubs at a similar or higher level to us. I don't want to here that 'players only want CL football' excuse because that's absolute rubbish.


24 Apr 2016 18:43:55
Also shows you don't have to spend millions in transfer market. Yet when Liverpool get linked with players fans haven't heard of many times the cries of "not good enough" are never far away. I'm sure if we had got Mahrez or Vardy it would have been the same.
Shows that With good scouts very good players are out there if you look hard enough and fans are willing to give them a chance.
Good players and good teamwork and I really hope they get the points needed to claim the title.


24 Apr 2016 19:05:49
We have a lot of work to in many areas.


24 Apr 2016 19:38:40
Emphasis should be on small achievable cumulative gains. The GK situation can only improve with a) a new signing or b) better coaching. My preference is a new signing.


24 Apr 2016 18:30:29
That is a real question / concern. We aren't a GK away from winning the league which some here thinks. Remember. When Klopp took Over we were 2 points behind UTD and now find ourself 3 points behind them.
( points do matter ) . There is a massive work ahead for Klopp and it starts from getting the right players.

On another note. Leicester has been a real inspiration to all out there. Small town club against all the odds and it's not just a miracle. They have been consistent at the top of the league for about 10 months.

Solid at the back. Brilliant in the middle and absolute lethal up front.


24 Apr 2016 21:27:58
Anyone who thinks we're a GK away from winning the league is in cloud cuckoo land, but we are on an upward curve.


24 Apr 2016 21:57:08
Interesting comments. With LC, they aren't doing anything special, IMO. They are simply executing the fondamentals of team sports as in, togetherness, work ethic, self belief and a good sprinkle of decent management, skill in critical areas and UNBELIEVABLE scouting. I say this last part because I saw a documentary on L'Equipe in French on how LC found Ngolo Kante. I could not believe what I found. Kante had come up the ranks in a third division team as the smallest guy on the pitch. He was signed at Caen after beings watched once by the sports director himself in a game he was quite average in, per the SD. What one could not deny was his durability. The guy has only missed about ten games in his career. If your club is scouting he way LC do, you'll never find the likes of Kante, Mahrez (from Le Havre in the French second division), Drinkwater and the lot. All in all, LC has shown that football is a simple game and only managers, coaches and owners with their pathetic philosophical nonsense, trying to reinvent the wheel, screw it up.


24 Apr 2016 23:52:34
Been saying this for weeks - if/ when Leicester win the league then Us, Arsenal, United, City and Chelsea need to take a massive look at themselves in the mirror bevause we've all spent masses of £s and got fook all return. TBH it's embarrassing.


24 Apr 2016 18:02:40
Ed is it too late to get an Olympic Russian doctor on board 👀.

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{Ed001's Note - you mean borrow Sakho's? ;-)

24 Apr 2016 19:24:02
You two what are you like lol.


24 Apr 2016 15:02:25
Ed1 what do you know about Villarreal mate? Where can we hurt them and what are there strengths and weaknesses?

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{Ed001's Note - from what I have seen of them, this would be the perfect time to press hard, very few teams they face do so. They have been good on the ball last few games I watched, but they faced other teams looking to pass it around, rather than a team in their faces. They are a very good side though, so we would need to be very careful not to get too caught up in the chasing.}

24 Apr 2016 15:21:37
I watched the 2 legs against brags and they conceded unbelievable soft goals tbh.

They should love playing us haha.


24 Apr 2016 15:23:41
I do watch Spanish teams play. Villareal plays very similar to Atletico. Very much compact the back and great at counter attack. They have solid first team with a very good defensive record and have also scored plenty.


24 Apr 2016 17:46:42
They are weak away from home though, we should get through the two legs.


24 Apr 2016 22:02:39
Villareal is a workmanlike side, very difficult to play against especially when they have the lead. I watched the beat Real at the Madrigal and pretty much parked the bus after they scored. They are a team that is good going forward and have a fluid midfield with Soriano and Denis Suarez along with a lethal Bakambu up top with Soldado behind him. However like Ed said, they are the perfect team to press as they don't move the ball as quickly. I say we play them the very same way we played BVB on the road as in, know when to press and when to drop off which confused BVB and may work here.


24 Apr 2016 14:15:16
Thing is as long as we have migs in goal, any team will belive they can nick a goal or 2 if he's put under pressure.
That game should have been dead and buried at 2-0, even at 2-1 we should have gone on to win, but migs gives the other team the belief to actually not give up and keep going forward in the hope of a comeback.
If we had a solid keeper and a less error prone left back, then most, if not all teams would have given up at 2-0, even at 2-1 most teams would not really go full throttle at us like that.
Our own team wouldn't panick like they did either if they had more confidence in him, seems when migs or the defence makes a mistake like that the whole team on the pitch goes into meltdown.

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24 Apr 2016 17:34:43
Newcastle have to go full throttle every game now until the end of the season mikey not just against a team that has Migs and Moreno in. However I do think we can improve these 2 portions in the summer and they are weak links!


24 Apr 2016 22:07:35
The GK and FB positions need to be addressed, without fail in the summer. GK is a top priority, IMO. We can no longer continue with Mingo in goal. It is no longer possible after three years of abject performances which show no sign of abating. He makes every kind of GK mistake imaginable so you can't coach one part of his game. Can't kick, can't gather crosses, pathetic footwork, no ball handling skills, bad distribution, I can go on and on. If we are going to coach all that then might as well get a new GK in, ASAP. Klopp, over to you.


24 Apr 2016 12:53:11
I fully take the blame for mignolet's error yesterday. I shouldn't have pointed out on Friday that he'd been playing well. Sorry all.

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24 Apr 2016 13:39:03
The way I view it is if he had a mistake in him this week I'm glad it was yesterday and not Thursday!


24 Apr 2016 15:06:33
Its not about mings its about a team that has something massive to fight for. The toon are clearly not wanting to go down and rafa is a good manager. We should of been more clinical in first half but i'm guessing that is also mings fault.


24 Apr 2016 16:00:02
Migs will always be like this. Few quiet games then massive clanger which a Sunday league keeper would be embarrassed about.


24 Apr 2016 21:23:43
Mingolets mistakes go back years, just hope he's replaced and we have a new keeper to start season, that is priority number one without a doubt.


24 Apr 2016 12:51:39
Well where to begin with the sheer amount of crap this week.

Origi, henderson and Can all get injured.

Sakho somehow manages to violate doping laws.

We throw away another convincing lead thanks to the usual suspects.

Think it goes without saying yet again that with a left back and goalkeeper of such unbelievable imcompetence we cannot expect to realistically challenge for anything. Think of all the times mignolet has let us down this year. With a decent goalkeeper we would be in the top 4 and have won the league cup. It has to change.

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24 Apr 2016 13:38:32
Moreno was Liverpools best player vs Newcastle, pick on someone else this week.


{Ed001's Note - he really wasn't. He was atrocious in the 2nd half and failed miserably to handle the useless donkey that is Dross Townsend.}

24 Apr 2016 14:18:27
Two assists does not a defender make. Its pretty simple really. Most of the goals we concede involve him failing to stop a cross or being out of position or making stupid rash challenges. Going forward he is simply erratic rather than quality, which occassionally gets him a goal or assist.


24 Apr 2016 14:28:12
I agre with his defensive lapses but he offers so much in attack that he would be missed. Migs fault not Moreno, crosses like that are bread and butter for any decent goalie.


24 Apr 2016 14:30:07
I thought he was good first half but poor second, doesn't seem to like it when teams have their tails up.


24 Apr 2016 14:56:19
It's simple really, keep Moreno as back up to the new left back we get. We certainly need one, and one capable of defending first. If you have two different options like that you can prepare for different games appropriately, he may not like it but he has a contract here and will have to stay at least one season.

Mignolet on the other hand, I couldn't give two ***** if he stayed as back up because that's all he would be, a cup goalie and bench warmer. He seems like a nice lad, but we don't need nice lads. We need a top quality goalkeeper, end of story and mignolet is not top quality. Average at best with great shot stopping ability which is the minimum your expect from a goalkeeper. If we fail to get a new goalkeeper we can forget about 'challenging for the league'.


24 Apr 2016 15:09:43
As far as wing backs its the price we pay when we want them to join the attack and that's the style we are playing. Yes we need to tighten up but if the wing backs go up and get caught out a holding midfield should be there to drop in and help the back line surly.


{Ed001's Note - but you are missing the point. Even when Moreno does get into position he can't defend or stop a cross. At this level, every player should be able to do basic defensive duties, let alone a member of the defensive line.}

24 Apr 2016 16:33:59
He just immediately puts his hands behind his back.


24 Apr 2016 14:54:19
Moreno had more assists than Coutinho which is a fact. He is miles better than Danny rose now fighting for a title. People need to learn a bit ore about the overall game and stop abusing certain players when other are equally average at their duties.


24 Apr 2016 21:41:02
Would love to see a fellow Swede in red. Ludwig Augustinsson from FC Copenhagen would solve our left fullback issue. Solid defender, still gets assists, decent at set pieces. Think we had a look last summer. Go get him Jürgen!


24 Apr 2016 10:39:26
Hi Ed 001 may I know when going to have next pod cast from you and Benny? Any way appreciate your work on this site .

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{Ed001's Note - not sure mate, things are really busy here with the inlaws staying for the month and then I am off to Spain to spend some time with my parents. Hopefully we will get a chance at some point though. It won't be before Friday night, tomorrow is the Boss's birthday and she has Thursday and Friday off to spend some time with the family, so we will be up and out early.}

24 Apr 2016 10:34:05
Liverpool have offered Kolo Toure a player/ coach role next season and if all goes well next year he will be offered a full time coaching role under Klopp.

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24 Apr 2016 11:45:21
If this is true I'm well happy for him. What a genuinely nice bloke to hVe a round the place.


24 Apr 2016 12:43:04
I would be elated if that happened.


24 Apr 2016 13:29:49
He does seem to be very popular with the players. Without knowing the ins and outs of any future role, maybe some sort of player welfare role would suite.


24 Apr 2016 15:06:59
We should use him as fat burning pill advisor.


24 Apr 2016 18:44:56
If Sakho receives a significant ban, Kolo will be even more important to the dressing room, providing a popular and experienced voice to calm the youngsters in big games.


24 Apr 2016 09:23:14
Hi ed1 if sakhos b sample is positive what position does that leave the club and himself i guess if its a lenghty ban (over 6 months) the club would look to move him on after it? Shame if it comes to that he really has come on well under klopp but if its 6 months or less of a ban do you see lfc still keeping him on?

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends on the circumstances. If he willingly and knowingly took a banned substance, I would expect him to be released immediately.}

24 Apr 2016 13:24:06
the right action though if it was under that circumstances ed001. no matter how much i like sakho, the club must take a stance if he took it willingly and knowingly.


{Ed001's Note - that is what I meant, by expect. Not that it would be the club's plan, but what I would hope they would do. I do not want a drugs cheat in my team, no matter that there are plenty of them around. You will never stop people cheating, but what you can do is keep it to a minimum by making punishments as harsh as possible.}

24 Apr 2016 14:07:03
Even though I agree with you ed001, I am not sure the club will, he's worth a lot of money, they will likely come up with a story of how he went to holland and baratt to get some French green tea or something and how the whole thing was a misunderstanding and they will stick by him.
I hope it was just stupidity rather than intentional but I'm guessing we will never really know.


24 Apr 2016 09:31:11
The two results yesterday, us drawing with Newcastle and United winning the semi fnal of the cup were annoying in themselves but may also have negative implications for next season.

Obviously if we win the EL, we play next year in the CL. If not, this is how things stand:

Worse scenario: if United win the cup and we stay 7, we enter the EL in the 3rd qualifying round, so have to play the first leg 28th of April, in the middle of pre season.

Alternative A: We overtake West Ham, finsh 6. In this case we are in the EL but start in the playoff, 18th of August.

Altenative B: we stay 7 and United lose the cup - we don't play in the EL next year (maybe not a bad option) .

Mathematically of course we can still finish somewhere between 10th and 3rd but this is the more likely scenarios.

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24 Apr 2016 11:39:03
You say "play the first leg on the 28th of April".

We've already got a semi final on that day!

That can't be right 😄.


24 Apr 2016 12:44:01
they're normally at the end of July.


24 Apr 2016 09:29:05
Eds I hear Benny Baller is a goalkeeper, Any chance of Liverpool signing him. i'm sure he would be willing to play for a hug or face slap from Klopp.

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{Ed001's Note - I have met him, he is only 4ft 5inches tall mate, and that was on tiptoes with lifts in his shoes. Mind I would still pick him over Migs personally....}

24 Apr 2016 10:54:22
haha still sounds more capable ed.


24 Apr 2016 12:48:40
We literally don't have a GK at LFC. We have two of the most error prone gk's in the league alongside a very good but inexperienced one who I would pick ahead of the other two walking mistakes ahead of him. Ed, please tell me we are looking at gk's this summer because I just can't take Mingo and his ability to be a danger to us almost every time anymore.


{Ed001's Note - we are looking for a keeper

24 Apr 2016 09:12:28
Anyone a bit more worried about Villarreal after yesterday's showing and Hendo, can, sakho, origi missing.

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24 Apr 2016 09:25:54
Nah. Oh kind of haha. I just think when it comes down to crunch time you expect eveeyone to step up and be ready. We have avery hard working team but even at our best we're still lacking quality across the park in terms of being able to break teams down. So no, those players missing aside I still expect whoever is sent out there to play with everything they have as Klopp as demanded and hope bash our way to victory!


24 Apr 2016 09:26:39
We will certainly miss can sakho and origi. As for Henderson out football has vastly improved and flowed much quicker since he has been ruled out. Would like to see a change in captain next year as he shouldn't even make the first team.


24 Apr 2016 10:51:59
Yeah I kind of agree that we haven't even got out of first gear with Everton and Newcastle so we could easily step it up when needed. But we still leak silly silly goals through individual error.


24 Apr 2016 11:59:50
I remember even under BR that our best laid plans couldn't account for costly individual errors!

I'm with Hendo and think he gets a really unfair rap. He was one of the key players joining attack from midfield in our title run. Now we have our very own lampard-gerrard conundrum with hendo and can both essentially doing the same thing. Its irrelevant anyways because neither of them will be playing.


24 Apr 2016 12:55:33
Peels, leave this Hendo capt rubbish. He's capt of LFC capt, respected by the manager and his teammates so get over it. Now, we played really well last night. Some of the swift interplay was breathtaking atimes so none too worried. We didn't start breaking a sweat until the most error prone GK in the league, reared his ugly head and not for the first but hopefully the last time before we get rid, to gift the other team a point and we started sweating bullets. It seems no matter how well we play, Mingo's errors will kill us every time as we aren't good enuff yet to overcome such things. We will be fine for Villareal even tho, Origi, Can and Sahko will be sorely missed.


24 Apr 2016 09:30:39
No. We have a large squad and some of the players are earning plenty for what? We have been crying for youngsters to get a chance and this is the opportunity to make a mark. They have a responsibility and should take us through.


24 Apr 2016 09:44:13
I would definitely feel more confident if them 4 were available. I think we need to just get behind the team and support the lads who replace them.


24 Apr 2016 06:48:16
About the game, I just don't get why Klopp didn't give another chance to Ward in goals, as I felt he did a good job against Bournemouth. Migs costs us way too much points, we need a new keeper if we want to challenge for anything next season.
Keeper and full backs that we really need.
I also think we missed Sakho.

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24 Apr 2016 08:52:47
Sorry but Ward looked no more assured than Migs. Ward flapped at just as many crosses, it's just they weren't as costly. I'm not sticking up for Migs but there are plenty of areas on the pitch were basic errors occur before the ball even gets to Migs. DM let opposition float past and never cover the gaps left by our fullbacks when they attack. Neither fullbacks know how to get a challenge in and are done up like a kipper far to easily. Yes Migs makes costly errors but to make him the scapegoat when others are falling just as badly is pointless. He does need replacing but so do others. I would love to see one of Yann Sommer, Timo Horn or Ron Robert Zeiler in our goal. As I say though, both fullback aren't good enough and we need a midfield general too.


24 Apr 2016 09:17:02
Not so sure fullbacks is what we need. If Sakho is banned we'll need another CB and a winger or two.


24 Apr 2016 13:07:29
Poolie, I agree that our FBs aren't the best but in the game, they were playing well enuff and we could have been out of sight at halftime which is how well we played. All was fine until Mingo came along to help the other team as he has done multiple times this season. He and only him, cost us the game last night and nobody else. I would play Ward in the PL till the end of the season to see what he has. He did flap at crosses the last time but he did make two great saves to preserve the win and unlike Mingo, he made no errors and did his job. Mingo has cost us MANY points this season and his errors are well into double digits. Those aren't the FBs fault. That's all Mingo. We will win nothing with him and he's getting worse yet he's been here three yrs. is that the FBs fault too? He needs to get out of our club because he's a danger to us and a helping hand to the opposition. Fact!


24 Apr 2016 09:31:58
We need a top class CDM so that the ball doesn't by pass our midfield and in awe Moreno or Clyne goes too far ahead someone should cover their back yard.
Rose and walker are poorer than Moreno and Clyne.


24 Apr 2016 14:20:03
Redohio I understand that Klopp was the Villain yesterday but there has been plenty of villains this season. How many games have Clyne and especially Moreno cost us? All I'm saying is, yes Mignolet is an issue but there are other serious issues. To single out one player just because he is poor one match just hides other problems. These targets seem to change month by month. Mignolet now, before it was Hendo, Lallana, Allen, Lucas. I'm sure Klopp knows our issues better than us and has his targets for the summer to improve us but this is more difficult than we know. Who is available, who is financially realistic, who actually improves the squad, there are always parameters we have to work with in. Constructive criticism is good but openly targeting single players does nothing.


24 Apr 2016 16:20:36
Sorry it was supposed to say Migs, not Klopp in first sentence in last post.


24 Apr 2016 22:35:06
I understood that u meant Migs, Poolie. You have not read my post thoroughly. I am not singling him out for one game. His errors are well into the double digits. Those didn't happen in one game. I can understand that a player made a mistake. But Mingo is a known felon when it comes to screwing us out of getting three points. There are goalies and FBs available. At LB, there is Rafa Guerrero and Jonas Hector who said he is waiting for a Klopp phone call to come here. Timo Horn is a very good GK that Klopp is said to be interested in and I've seen him play. There are players out there so quit with the who's available spiel. We need to get rid of the players who are holding us back and I hope Klopp will be ruthless come this summer.


24 Apr 2016 06:06:38
OK, what's your thoughts on that game ed001.surely Klopp is now reconsidering Mignolet's position.

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{Ed001's Note - first half was not particularly good, but we were so far ahead of Newcastle, in terms of quality and attitude, that we were cruising and never had to really play well. Second half was embarrassing. Mignolet was badly at fault, but he was not the only one. If Moreno can't handle a winger as truly woeful as Dross Townsend, then he has no hope. But Migs has to be replaced. That is the number one priority.}

24 Apr 2016 07:23:25
Ed, Mignolet just keeps on finding new original ways to profoundly let the team down. I can't remember the last time a goalkeeper for a top 10 side so hopelessly flapped at such an INNOCUOUS cross. There was nothing to it! It had no zing, it was just a floatie that any other keeper would have used as simple catching practice! Even considering Mignolet's struggles with crosses, I didn't even feel or worried when that cross came in, until the very final moments before it reached Cisse and I thought, 'uh oh, something is wrong here'.

What's his problem?! Is he scared? Or is he just stupid and easily complacent? Bagging players like this isn't ideal but holy crap the guy deserves it when he perpetually makes the team pay for the most baffling errors!


{Ed001's Note - I just think he is rubbish. He has awful judgement. To be fair I have seen other keepers make the mistakes he is making, but only of those mistakes each. He manages to make all the basic errors and some new ones all of his own.}

24 Apr 2016 08:14:26
Yes, that's the thing! His deluded apologists point out that he's not the first keeper to make mistakes, but at Liverpool he's made virtually every kind of mistake a goalkeeper can commit - and almost on repeat! The only thing he hasn't done is score an own goal from a mis-hit kick, and I seriously wouldn't put it past him to do that. Such a frustrating factor that hinders us. Imagine where we would be on the table with De Gea, and where United would be without him. Because he and Mignolet are the two guys that make the league table lie in respect to us and United. Frustrates me how largely because of Mignolet, an inferior team sits ahead of us.


24 Apr 2016 08:51:30
It's ridiculous that our efforts to be a 'top' team and CL challengers are based on such a dismally weak foundation. We see it, many others see it, just hope to goodness LFC see it and shake it up with a quality 1st team and coaching addition.


24 Apr 2016 09:10:09
To be honest, if we go through the summer and don't bring a new number 1 in then frustrations would have to
switch from migs to klopp!


24 Apr 2016 08:44:24
Ed01 could I aak you who your preferred choice would be ro replace mignolet and moreno? Based on availability? Thanks.


{Ed001's Note - I honestly don't know mate. Possibly Zieler or Horn for goal. Left back I have not seen anyone in ages worth getting. We might have to just hope Klopp can work some kind of magic on Moreno and Smith to be honest. Most left backs out there are terrible.}

24 Apr 2016 10:11:51
Cheers ed. A lb who can defend would be a start! .


24 Apr 2016 10:11:51
Cheers ed. A lb who can defend would be a start! .


24 Apr 2016 13:05:58
We should bring in Timo Horn and play Flanno LB. I thought Moreno was actually looking good in the first half but when we were put under pressure he was no-where.


24 Apr 2016 13:17:58
Ed, I agree but we all know Moreno is aweful so you're preaching to the choir on that one. There are LBs and gk's out there like Guerrero, Hector, Timo Horn who I've seen play. The scouts should do their jobs and quit the excuses. The truth is that Mingo is capable of making mistakes that even U-10 gks will not make. He is a key reason we are where we are because he is a beacon of hope to the opposition and a true danger to us. No team aspiring to be great will have him as first choice. None! So why should we have to make do with him? I won't name names but someone posted here last week that we should just accept that Mingo is adequate at best. I hope after last night, said poster who was also a true BR apologist at the time, has seen the light. He needs to be replaced and if Klopp can't or won't do it then he will face my and the wrath of other supporters.


{Ed001's Note - Guerrero? Not sure if it is the same one, but the one I have seen by that name (Paulo was it? I can't remember right now) was awful every time I saw him Not seen enough of Hector, in fact only seen him once but he did look decent in that one game.}

24 Apr 2016 22:40:49
Rafael Guerrero of Lorient is the LB I was referring to, Ed. We are said to be interested in him, can u confirm? He is the real deal and you may get a chance to watch him at the Euros for Portugal. Hector is also a good one and I've seen him play twice for Koln along with Horn and they are both good. Hector is great going forward and solid in defence and is also two footed. He will be at the Euros as well so you can form your op then.


{Ed002's Note - TRy the search engine.}

24 Apr 2016 04:15:56
A few thoughts from the game

1) it's been a really really bad couple of weeks, from Origi's injury, to Sakho's news, then throwing away the lead against Newcastle to ensure zero chance of CL from the top 4 (however remote the shot we should have kept up the pressure) . Let's hope we can dust ourselves off vs Villareal and come back stronger.

2) First half was solid enough but second half we absolutely gifted them a way back through a sloppy mistake from Migs and then looked very rattled for 15mins. If he'd got that cross we would have won 2-0. It was a good cross but he had plenty of time to get there and completely misjudged it. This is not the first error and I hope this just serves to increase the focus on bringing in some competition.

3) Somehow Firmino, Llalana and Sturridge didn't seem completely on the same page, and while good goals, and each played OK in their own right, their interplay wasn't fantastic. We need Coutinho on the pitch to get Firmino and Sturridge working at their best together (Sturridge was often dropping very deep to where Firmino should have been) .

4) Firmino should be given a run upfront at some point to build confidence and give Sturridge a rest. His movement is good but he's looking a little out of sorts at no.10 lately.

5) Connor Randall has played well enough but he's poor in the air (a bit like Moreno here! ) . Got beaten for the goal and then almost gave away a penalty, and he's looked poor in other games too when others are jumping over him. I think we need to bring Flanno in.

6) Moreno had a cracking first half. Average in the second but he looks like he might be learning?

7) Ojo looked useful once again and a cracking goal for Llalana, need more of that from him.

8) I hope Newcastle make the most of the point to survive.

I sincerely hope we can put this one behind us and manage to get back on top form for Villareal. Up the Reds!

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{Ed001's Note - Firmino is playing up front.}

24 Apr 2016 04:34:18
Don't envy Klopp atm as think some hard decisions have to be made this summer, personal would be terrible at it but a big job to be done and hard decisions to be made.

Imagine Lovren, coutinho, firmino, sturridge, origi, and hendo are guaranteed to be at the club next year (imagine Gomez and Ings might due to injury etc) as for everyone else. not saying sell them but wouldn't be shocked if any players not mentioned left, so big call for Klopp and hopefully he gets it spot on.


24 Apr 2016 04:37:45
I think it rally comes down to our keeper. That's the pivotal moment as they weren't going to score prior to him handing them a way back into the game. Once or twice okay- happens to all keepers but that's about the 10th time he's done it this season. We won't challenge for top 4 so long as we have him as our number 1.


24 Apr 2016 05:25:30
If we put in a performance like this against Villareal, we will be beaten comfortably.


24 Apr 2016 05:29:12
Swishcleaner, I'm guessing that none of the responsibility lay with the other players who took the field yesterday, its all down to Mingolet right?


24 Apr 2016 05:58:46
Yes they all have some responsibility but ultimately if you have such a weak link that can't handle basic crosses and decision making then every team we play will have a good chance. How can the defence build any confidence when you have a keeper that gifts goals to the opposition. Like i said, this can happen to all keepers but it's a regular occurrence with him. If he makes the catch Newcastle wouldn't have had the resurgence in them.


24 Apr 2016 06:02:50
BrisbaneLFC, no one is saying that Mignolet was solely to blame for Newcastle's comeback but every team's solidity and confidence starts from the back, especially the GK. If your Gk is unconvincing and a mistake waiting to happen, the uneasiness creeps into the defenders and midfielders which makes it difficult to play their natural game. Yes, our defenders were also to blame but a solid GK would help build a better understanding and confidence at the back and these mistakes would slowly be cut out of the team.
If the club really wants to progress on the pitch, a new GK has to be a priority. Migs was never a LFC level GK, and will never be.


24 Apr 2016 09:14:49
Moreno was also hopefully out of position for the goal, don't know what game was he cracking in yesterday, he again was useless defensively.


24 Apr 2016 13:35:11
Moreno is hopeless at defending so nothing new to learn there. Brisbane, you're not making sense. You talk as if we have DDG who makes one mistake in fifteen games. We are talking about a GK who's been here for three years who's getting worse by the year, a GK who has made double digit errors and cost use a hatful of points this season and most of all, one who is a danger to us and a source of hope to the opposition. Quit blaming everyone else for his mistakes because you sound like one of his hapless apologists. Mingo gives everyone the jitters whenever the ball is coming into his box or to his feet. This is common knowledge. The defenders can't play their game as they have a GK who does NOT inspire confidence. He should be bailing them out like every other GK on the planet is paid to do and not the other way around. Mingo has been aweful for two years and needs to get gone and blaming everyone else for HIS errors will not change that.


24 Apr 2016 02:53:11
what ever happened to goalkeepers catching the ball? all mignolet has to do is catch the cross simple. He has already cost us in one cup final, we cannot trust him to not cost us in the Europa league, we have seen utd reach a cup final because they have a world class goalkeeper we badly need to purchase one this summer, I would even settle for a reliable goalie, this guy is a liability who quite frankly cannot help it, he is a poor goalkeeper and that's all he ever will be.

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24 Apr 2016 04:42:20
Someone needs to spike migs drinks with whatever sakho is supposed to have taken.


23 Apr 2016 23:58:43
Dear Ed001, since the turn of the year when Klopp starting give the youngsters minutes, what have you thought of how they have done in these past few months? Any that suprised you?

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{Ed001's Note - Stewart has surprised me, he is better than I thought, judging by his loan spells. The rest haven't really had enough time to know much about them.}

24 Apr 2016 03:55:37
kevin stewart has the determination and mental strength required to make it imo, I have been very impressed with him I have to say.


 
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