Liverpool Banter Archive December 24 2010

 

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24 Dec 2010 23:08:17
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Bet the loudest chant at bloomfield road will be the rafa chant. I will sing it loud and proud. .

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24 Dec 2010 23:05:03
Hi merry xmas all im not a UTD FAN im a liverpool fan & what i said came out wrong. Adam johnson is good for his age but his wages and his value would be a crap signing he is a money grabber chose city over us so do u really want a bad crossing solo left footed, can't use his right foot. but wait hes a younger jovanovic oh & Adam johnson is part of the carling cup squad. oh and u would have to be mad to say becks is crap and im a liverpool fan. AND EVER1 ELSE GET REAL AGUERO NOT GONNA HAPPEN suarez unlikely

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24 Dec 2010 23:00:41
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What would people think of bentley at liverpool?
He's better than any of the wingers we have at the moment and I personally still think he's a great player.

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24 Dec 2010 22:41:31
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"Andre villa boas is only 33, im sure he wouldn't have the respect of some senior players. Opinions?"

Villas-Boas is a very personable guy - he was certainly well liked at Chelsea even though some players would have been older than him. It is worth noting that his role at Chelsea was very different than it is now, but if Liverpool's senior players can't show respect then perhaps that is where some of their problems are.

Sharkey.

Tbh mate id much rather him too hodgson, his football with the teams he's managed has been impressive, what im saying though, is if hodgson hasnt got the respect of some of our players at his age, what can Villas-Boas expect? :/

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24 Dec 2010 22:31:23
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Happy xmas all reds! what ever type of player s we bring to anfeild they must be winners, fighters and not money grabbing whingers by winners i mean gerrard inesta or rush and keane esk! !

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24 Dec 2010 22:24:09
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My wish list for santa. . . adam johnson. honda. and pato to all be at liverpool after xmas. . not gonna happen but we gotta dream big!
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this is not big

ask for ronaldo , messi , villa, pique may be even zidane , pele , maradona and who knows it might come true

comoli"weird things are gonna happen"

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24 Dec 2010 22:16:15
So aguero is in Liverpool staying with fellow Argentinian and Liverpool player maxi, what can this mean. .? Obvious really he's signing for manure due to our inept scouting and managerial team.

Ferryhill Red.

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24 Dec 2010 22:12:04
I am absolutely amazed that some people on here have suggested Sean O'Driscoll as a possible successor to RH. He has been managing for over 10 years now and the total sum of is achievements are 2 promotions through play-offs, a football league trophy and a manager of the month.

Have we not learnt our lesson by appointing unqualified, unsuitable, second rate managers.
Fabian Treezle
AGREE
i keep reading his name on here as well, is it because one of the editors likes him?
he could turn out a great manager, but if i were to take a gamble on a lesser named manager it would have to be ian holloway getting blackpool promoted was a big achievement and the way they have played this season proves it was no fluke, he definitely knows how to motivate men and that on its own is a trait we sadly miss, bob paisleys skids

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24 Dec 2010 21:34:22
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Merry christmas and a happy new year to all on the site heres hoping things begin to look up in the new year!

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24 Dec 2010 21:30:16
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My wish list for santa. . . adam johnson. honda. and pato to all be at liverpool after xmas. . not gonna happen but we gotta dream big!

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24 Dec 2010 21:24:37
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Adam johnson is carp when r u going to understand that. city will want 20 mill for him & quite frankly i would rather buy beckham or get him on loan at least he can cross. johnson meanwhile only started getting recognised wen he ripped the CHAMPIONSHIP APART

Does anyone else think that this is a bitter United fan?
1) He can't spell
2) Utd fans are the only people in the world who likes Beckham
3) Only ********* think a player of Adam Johnson's quailty is carp

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24 Dec 2010 21:16:15
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My Xmas Wish is that Torres start a scoring streak and end the rumours linking him away from liverpool, fingers crossed.

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24 Dec 2010 21:07:46
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Not saying that he is going to sign for us but Sergio "Kun" Agüero is in liverpool over Christmas. Picture of him on the photo section with Maxi and family enjoying a bite to eat. Could he be talking a Jan/ summer switch with NESV at the same time? Pic courtesy of EOK twiter.

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24 Dec 2010 21:07:39
24 Dec 2010 20:26:34
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If NESV want Championship football; they won't get it with Hodgson in charge. Liverpool need to win away games !
There can be no focus until there is a dynamic manager
Villas Boas and the other prefered names are just not available.
Rafa is but only supporters want him.
Sorry NESV, no Championship football next year.
Up 2 U ?
Comandante

Mate, aiming for Championship football is pretty low.

BloodRedMatt

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24 Dec 2010 20:44:32
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I think we should hire boas and fire Hodgeson because boas is the new Mourinho and already speaks English fluently.

RedM4n

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24 Dec 2010 20:26:34
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If NESV want Championship football; they won't get it with Hodgson in charge. Liverpool need to win away games !
There can be no focus until there is a dynamic manager
Villas Boas and the other prefered names are just not available.
Rafa is but only supporters want him.
Sorry NESV, no Championship football next year.
Up 2 U ?
Comandante

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24 Dec 2010 20:18:16
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An a abi totmus to you all ha hoho

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24 Dec 2010 20:15:45
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Happy christmas to all the eds and all liverpool fans, lets hope the red men go on to win somethin in 2011 who evers in charge and who ever we buy in the transfer window.

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24 Dec 2010 20:13:57
Would just like to wish the eds and all my fellow posters a merry xmas and a happy and successful new year. And to all the jewish folks out there happy Hannukah. And to the liverpool squad with the exception of raul, nando, stevie, pepe, lucas, fabio, maxi and dan i hope santa gives you lot footballing talent for xmas. Cheers everyone.
Red bl00ded!

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24 Dec 2010 20:12:00
Aguero is in liverpool celebrating xmas with maxi don't believe me check his twitter lets hope he gets a nice pre contract to sign to join the reds for xmas

{Editor's Note: He cannot sign anything with Liverpool - or even talk to them.}

He's been eating at San Carlo in town and he even let Maxi sign the bill, just to prove the Ed right! ;-)

The Shoe Shine Boy

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24 Dec 2010 20:01:44
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I have submitted aguero in liverpool and maxi to the liverpool sightings section. he is celebrating xmas with his mate maxi rodriguez, nothing cncerning a move. but that doesn't stop maxi telling him about liverpool life.
anyway don't worry about v.wofwilly, he is not signing according to my source. and as he is injured the "sports science team" that roy seems to have would never allow it. and if they did he wood be a decent addition anyway.
be confident that players will be arriving in january.

me14

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24 Dec 2010 19:44:38
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Ive heard a rumour that we have made an official approach for rijkaard. .apparently Roy is getting the sack in the second week of january. .

Primetime

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24 Dec 2010 19:41:13
There are some that feel that Gerard Houlliers policy if signing inadequate french players in the hope that they would become great and also the signing of a few other young foreigners during Gerard Houlliers time that is the reason why no players made it into the first team from the reserves during Rafa Benitez's tenure , remember Rafa Benitez has overhauled the youth set-up for the good of the club .

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24 Dec 2010 19:39:03
Ed, Looking for players who would improve our squad doesn't really narrow it down. . my little sister fits that requirement

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24 Dec 2010 19:17:36
Mikey, i would send my wife but not to aguero but to konchesky he would take one look at her and run back to london, jimmybosun

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24 Dec 2010 18:50:14
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Ed.psvelnino again. funny how all the players we are supposed to intrested in are between 5 and10 million and yet people still think we will. spend 30 plus on one player .think we might be ran a bit more like the arsenal than we think.if I recall j henry spent alot of time at the gonners before buying us .cheers mate

{Editor's Note: I would not worry so much about the values of players - just who would be best to improve the club. Player values are impacted by external matters such as the length of contract remaining - much more important is what they can bring to the club.}

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24 Dec 2010 18:48:17
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Aguero is in liverpool celebrating xmas with maxi don't believe me check his twitter lets hope he gets a nice pre contract to sign to join the reds for xmas

{Editor's Note: He cannot sign anything with Liverpool - or even talk to them.}

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24 Dec 2010 18:46:10
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I have heard Glen Johnson is not liked by the fellow players at Liverpool and has a pretty poor attitude to Liverpool staff at all levels and top officials also.

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24 Dec 2010 18:38:33
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This is what aguero posted on his twitter. translated by my good friend nadia (thanks) :)

in liverpool, spending holidays with my friend the monster maxi rodriguez. Merry Christmas!

if any fit girls are reading this, get down to town and make kun feel welcome. get him free drinks and hopfully he will never want to leave.
this aguero rumour refuses to go away. he would be the best signing since torres
mikey

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24 Dec 2010 18:21:49
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Here's the deal if we don't invest in the team in january we are going to lose the big players in our squad.

Torres isn't going to wait around till the end of the summer to see investment.

Believable if you agree
Unbelievable if you dont

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24 Dec 2010 18:17:47
24 Dec 2010 17:46:53
I saw Lucas Leiva interviewed on Sixty Minutes with. . on LFC TV yesterday. What a very nice chap.
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Very pleasant family man. Claire looked nice too.

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24 Dec 2010 18:13:14
Honda played most of CSKA Moscow's games in the Champions League last season and he was fantastic, particularly against Inter Milan. So he has shown that on the big stages he can perform against better opposition.

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Well, this is not entirely correct since Honda joined CSKA in winter, so he only played in the knock out rounds against Sevilla and Inter Mailand. But I have to agree that his performances against Inter were outstanding.

And do not forget the two games against (round of sixteen) Sevilla, in which he was even better. He was by far the best player on the pitch (goal and assist) and the main reason why CSKA reached the quarter final for the first time in their club history.

Copy his japanese name 本田圭佑 and search on youtube. The summary of the second match against Sevilla has to be first video (8:26). I know that this is only a summary of one single match, but it will show that it is wrong to claim that he has not proven himself on the highest level.

I have observed him and his performances since we were linked for him for the first time (summer 2009) and he has been so great that he even became my favourite player. Honda has a amazing winning mentality and regardless where has played, he has always been able to prove himself and to become better and better. He has shown outstanding performances in all competitions (Dutch Eredivisie, Russian League, Europa League, Champions League, World Cup) and impressed me again and again. Therefore I am convinced that he would also do so in the Premier League and be a huge improvement for our team.

I would compare his abilities to Gerrard's since he has no weakness at all and can do anything on the pitch: passing, shooting, dribbling, heading, tackling, crossing, skills and so on. Of course, he is not as good as Gerrard yet, but he is more creative and has some unique abilities like his so-called "mukaiten" freekick, which is a special version of a knuckle shot. I have never seen a player who can hit a dead ball like that (he has shown this technique against denmark in the world cup, but even more impressive might be the freekick against Hongkong in 2007). Have you noticed the black panels on the inside of his shoes? It was made for this technique. I would love to see mukaiten at Anfield.

Furthermore, he is very versatile and can be used on almost every position, though attacking midfield is his best position. The reason why he has not scored that often for CSKA is that he is playing as a defending midfieder. Even though he does a good job, his talent is wasted on this position. He has to play more offensive.

Trust me, this guy is pure class and if we have the chance to get him, we have to use it. Honda is going to be a world class player.

Liverpool fan from Germany

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24 Dec 2010 18:08:43
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I want to start out by saying that this doesn't mean anything, just in reply to people wondering if the twitter.com/ aguerosergiokun is real or not. He just posted a picture with the caption "with my friends and family in Liverpool". I can't tell if Kun is in the pic or not, he might be in the hat on teh right side of the table, Im not sure. However Maxi Rodriguez is definitely in the pic. So it seems like the account very well may be real.

www.twitter.com/ aguerosergiokun

Again, doesn't mean he is signing for Liverpool, just that the account is likely him.

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24 Dec 2010 18:07:31
The ed thinks Honda is the answer to our problems. . but why?

Ok, he had a decent world cup, but so did "Diouf" and "Salif Diao". He is playing in a poor league and hasn't proven gimself at top level. Some examples of the next big thing in poor leagues are Jo, (CSKA -CITY), yuri zhirkov, (CSKA - Chelsea), and even Ryan Babbel after all the hype surrounding him.

I as you this ed, will Honda be another costly error. Should we stick to signings of players who play at the top level week in week out?
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Honda played most of CSKA Moscow's games in the Champions League last season and he was fantastic, particularly against Inter Milan. So he has shown that on the big stages he can perform against better opposition.

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And how many of them top level games did CSKA win with the Superstar Honda in the team. . my point exactly.
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That's not the point I was making sport. He performed in those games regardless of whether CSKA Moscow won or not. That's the important thing.

You've probably never seen Honda play before in all honesty.

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24 Dec 2010 18:01:26
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Somewhat tetchy on here for Christmas Eve, is it not? Come on chaps, there is surely some common ground we can all find, not least the fact that we all support the same team. Does it matter whether we sit in the Paddock or the Kop? Does it matter which city we're from, or even which country? Relax. Enjoy the ride. Happy Christmas and here's to a successful New Year.

Red Owl

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24 Dec 2010 17:55:52
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Hodgson will move on next May.

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24 Dec 2010 17:54:10
The ed thinks Honda is the answer to our problems. . but why?

Ok, he had a decent world cup, but so did "Diouf" and "Salif Diao". He is playing in a poor league and hasn't proven gimself at top level. Some examples of the next big thing in poor leagues are Jo, (CSKA -CITY), yuri zhirkov, (CSKA - Chelsea), and even Ryan Babbel after all the hype surrounding him.

I as you this ed, will Honda be another costly error. Should we stick to signings of players who play at the top level week in week out?
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Honda played most of CSKA Moscow's games in the Champions League last season and he was fantastic, particularly against Inter Milan. So he has shown that on the big stages he can perform against better opposition.

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And how many of them top level games did CSKA win with the Superstar Honda in the team. . my point exactly. {ed's note - how many games have Liverpool lost with Gerrard in the team this season? Your point is absolutely nonsensical and redundant.}

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No my point is pertectly valid. You miss-understand. A player that stands out in a great team is a player that is well worth having. I.e. Adam Johnson. And we all know that great teams win a lot more than they lose. In regards to Gerrard at Liverpool - i don't feel that Liverpool are a great team at present, hense the "get roy out" posts and our league position, so ed, your Gerrard point doesn't work in this instance as he has helped us to victory single handidly so many times. . its not his fault he is now surrounded by poor players.

{Editor's Note: We need to agree to disagree over this. If Honda moves to Liverpool and it turns out to be a real disaster, you may have the satisfaction of telling us how you warned us off the player originally. It is interesting that you see Manchester City as an example of a great team.}

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24 Dec 2010 17:50:24
I am absolutely amazed that some people on here have suggested Sean O'Driscoll as a possible successor to RH. He has been managing for over 10 years now and the total sum of is achievements are 2 promotions through play-offs, a football league trophy and a manager of the month.

Have we not learnt our lesson by appointing unqualified, unsuitable, second rate managers.

Fabian Treezle

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24 Dec 2010 17:46:53
I saw Lucas Leiva interviewed on Sixty Minutes with. . on LFC TV yesterday. What a very nice chap.

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24 Dec 2010 17:44:17
24 Dec 2010 17:34:29
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What about the Johnson and Cole Team for England:

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Glen Johnson. Roger Johnson. Seth Johnson. A. Cole
A.Johnson. Bradley Johnson. Micheal Johnson. J. Cole
. . . . . . . .Carlton Cole. .Andy Johnson. . . . . . . . . .


Anyone got a keeper in mind?
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Chicago Fire keeper Sean Johnson ?

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24 Dec 2010 17:40:43
To allreds have a very soulful christmas.

soul man

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24 Dec 2010 17:37:43
The ed thinks Honda is the answer to our problems. . but why?

Ok, he had a decent world cup, but so did "Diouf" and "Salif Diao". He is playing in a poor league and hasn't proven gimself at top level. Some examples of the next big thing in poor leagues are Jo, (CSKA -CITY), yuri zhirkov, (CSKA - Chelsea), and even Ryan Babbel after all the hype surrounding him.

I as you this ed, will Honda be another costly error. Should we stick to signings of players who play at the top level week in week out?
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Honda played most of CSKA Moscow's games in the Champions League last season and he was fantastic, particularly against Inter Milan. So he has shown that on the big stages he can perform against better opposition.

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And how many of them top level games did CSKA win with the Superstar Honda in the team. . my point exactly. {ed's note - how many games have Liverpool lost with Gerrard in the team this season? Your point is absolutely nonsensical and redundant.}

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24 Dec 2010 17:35:21
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Hey eds! Its going to be 12 here in india.
Time to wish all the eds MERRY CHRISTMAS.
And to all fellow posters too. Wish you all Merry Christmas and hope you guys have a blast. .
And ed. Just a suggestion. Why not make tomorrow different in this site. .
My idea was that there could be a role reversal. . The eds post throughout the day. And we give replies as if we are the eds and you guys are us. You can come with trash and what ever comes in your mind. . Just as many out here do. .
And it would also be great if the eds could start introducing themselves .
What say ed.
And pls post this . Cos you dint post one of my posts a couple of days back :-(

Breathtaking Phoenix

Red for life!

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24 Dec 2010 17:34:29
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What about the Johnson and Cole Team for England:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ?? ?? ?? . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Glen Johnson. Roger Johnson. Seth Johnson. A. Cole
A.Johnson. Bradley Johnson. Micheal Johnson. J. Cole
. . . . . . . .Carlton Cole. .Andy Johnson. . . . . . . . . .


Anyone got a keeper in mind?

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24 Dec 2010 17:17:26
The ed thinks Honda is the answer to our problems. . but why?

Ok, he had a decent world cup, but so did "Diouf" and "Salif Diao". He is playing in a poor league and hasn't proven gimself at top level. Some examples of the next big thing in poor leagues are Jo, (CSKA -CITY), yuri zhirkov, (CSKA - Chelsea), and even Ryan Babbel after all the hype surrounding him.

I as you this ed, will Honda be another costly error. Should we stick to signings of players who play at the top level week in week out?
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Honda played most of CSKA Moscow's games in the Champions League last season and he was fantastic, particularly against Inter Milan. So he has shown that on the big stages he can perform against better opposition.

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24 Dec 2010 16:59:28
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The ed thinks Honda is the answer to our problems. . but why?

Ok, he had a decent world cup, but so did "Diouf" and "Salif Diao". He is playing in a poor league and hasn't proven gimself at top level. Some examples of the next big thing in poor leagues are Jo, (CSKA -CITY), yuri zhirkov, (CSKA - Chelsea), and even Ryan Babbel after all the hype surrounding him.

I as you this ed, will Honda be another costly error. Should we stick to signings of players who play at the top level week in week out?

{Editor's Note: I did not say that Honda would be the answer to Liverpool's problems. Clearly you don't want the player - why not just come out and say that you don't think he is good enough. Who do you suggest for that role?}

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I would suggest players such as A. Johnson, Banega, Mata, L. Diarra, Gago. Any of these would improve LFC and if the rumours are true, they would all be available at very good fees so therefore would make them less risk than players like Honda.

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24 Dec 2010 16:57:28
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Nobody has mentioned the mexican santa claus. plays in red has tremendous presents and is free from 2nite red mike

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24 Dec 2010 16:57:09
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Andre villa boas is only 33, im sure he wouldn't have the respect of some senior players. Opinions?

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24 Dec 2010 16:46:38
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Mate I agree, I just showed the stats to make people aware if how good he is doing. We know how well Murinho did at Chelsea after Porto and Boas worked as a no. 2 to him for some years. Maybe if he is a good person then he could be a huge success. Lets hope mate.

BloodRedMatt

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Wots wrong with O'Driscoll, Grayson or Coyle then?

They all are doing good too and why don't they deserve a chance? . . .

Mind you! I am not a British but I have somehow started thinking that English clubs should go ahead and give young English coaches a chance. . . .

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Ok, i origionally posted to compare Roy and Andre. I will start again. ANYONE BUT ROY!

BloodRedMatt

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24 Dec 2010 16:39:14
Merry Christmas everyone. I hope Santa is good to you all. Here's hoping for the window!

ferd

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24 Dec 2010 16:36:55
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All we need is 3-4 players.

Adam Johnson
Alexis Sanchez
Sergio Aguero, Luis Suarez or Fernando Llorente
Aly Cissokho, Taye Taiwo or Fabio Coentrao

In my opinion this lineup could win the premier league;

Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Taiwo
Sanchez Meireles Gerrard Johnson
Suarez Torres

Yes, it would cost a significant amount of money, but that's what it's going to take to get us genuinely challenging again.

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24 Dec 2010 16:15:26
Van wolfswinkel! ! damn its £5 a letter for a name on a shirt at JJB! ! !

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24 Dec 2010 16:13:24
Mr mushroom to answer some of your pionts .
rafa never spent 230 mll .his net spend was about
80 mll in six years and he earned most of that himself
by how well he did in europe .

why are wenger [who side play great football] but have won less than rafa in the last six years.
fergie who i hate but admit is a good manager.
but if you follow your thoughts through you would have sacked him because he only won a couple of cups in his first 7/ 8 years.

when wenger and fergie took over they both had good sides to work with unlike rafa.

as for rafa not bringing youth through he was only in charge for 1year .have a look at the playes in the academy now you can see the improvement.

soul man

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Mr Soul Man, Rafa did actually spend £230m on players. You go on about Net spending, yes he recouped money, but he recouped money on failed players that he signed. I have had this debate before. Please look on the internet to see how much Rafa spent and who was and was not successful. There are plenty of facts out there.

MUSHROOM

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Guys please move over Benitez now. . .You will be arguing for ages over this and still you won't come into a conclusion. . . .Thats bcoz

1. He is a very good manager and will remain a Liverpool legend
2. He did spend lots of money on pretty average players who never got into the team eg. El-Zhar and so on. . .

These are two sides of the same coin. . .

But then its the true that WE DONT NEED THE COIN ANYMORE. . . .

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24 Dec 2010 16:10:53
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Think Van Wolfswinkel wouldn't be a bad signing meets the owners ideas of young and up and coming. But feel he would need a period of readjustment and is one for the next couple of years as opposed to now (not to mention hes injured) But feel we need two or three quality players (who can still be young) who could go straight into the first team. Honda, Gomez or Hulk anyone

Hol

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24 Dec 2010 15:48:32
Barcelona make me laugh, they are the first to unsettle a player and buy him on the cheap, but when they get them they put ridiculous release clauses in their contracts. Affelay cost 3 million euro they set his release clause at 100 million. He'll be a bench player at best. We should have held on for 50 million for Mascherano even if he isn't woth a fifth of that. Now, about Roy and his so-called targets; why are they all unambitious and cheap? Bentley fails at every big club, Huth failed at Chelsea, N'zogbia failed at Newcastle, Crouch, C. Cole, etc. Sometimes people are unable to do great thingsb because they think small. Could that Roy's problem?
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What's wrong with Barcelona doing that? They are within their rights to do so to stop players going for prices they think are too little. If we put a £100m release clause on Torres would you object then?

And please emphasise the words "so-called targets". No-one knows who we are after so it's invalid to say "think small". And there's no point on commenting on Bentley and players like Huth, because it's all journalists guessing.

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24 Dec 2010 15:45:48
I don't want to defend Roy, but you should consider that Boas is the manager of Porto of the Portugese League, which is probably one of the weakest and most crooked leagues among the top football countries in Europe. If you coach Porto or Benfica, maybe Sporting you will be up there year after year. Now, Boas might be a good coach/ manager, but his record should not be put up against Roy's unless they manage in the same league. This said, I'd probably hire Boas anyhow!

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Mate I agree, I just showed the stats to make people aware if how good he is doing. We know how well Murinho did at Chelsea after Porto and Boas worked as a no. 2 to him for some years. Maybe if he is a good person then he could be a huge success. Lets hope mate.

BloodRedMatt

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24 Dec 2010 15:37:11
Liverpool Rumours
OK, well there is a post from 'aguerosergiokun' on Twitter that translates into, and I quote "In Liverpool, going on holiday with my friend Maxi Rodriguez La Fiera. Merry Christmas!".

The fact that this could be a fan who has set up the page doesn't confirm anthing, but it does appear to be linked directly to an offical fan page site.

Make of it what you want, I for one do not believe there is anything else to read into it. . .

GoodKopBadKop

{Editor's Note: I spent two days in Cambridge this week, it does not mean I have signed for them.}

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24 Dec 2010 15:35:29
Liverpool Rumours
I know nobody has any real news on transfer targets and we have scouts everywhere, my only hope that it is a very quiet news day but to be linked with Huth is a new low and if there is any truth in it and that this is where roy sees are future then this is going to be a long hard couple of years. Can someone please tell our new owners that this isn't the sort of player we need or want

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24 Dec 2010 15:32:34
Thanks for the info mushroom i knew i wasnt just making it up lol
teams like valencia are just about ruined then eh.
did i also read we had a few scouts in spain?
is it looking like we will go for a few of la ligas finest?
looks like we would be mad not to.
mikey

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We will have scouts everywhere. I am sure Spain will be covered.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 15:29:08
Roy out tonight delivering presents.

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24 Dec 2010 15:22:19
Liverpool Rumours
And Liverpool were said to have been impressed by his performances against them in the Europa League, even though he failed to net as the pair drew 0-0 twice.

is that impressed that he didn't start crying after breaking his collar bone and going off after 20 mins?

mikey

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24 Dec 2010 15:17:14
Mr mushroom to answer some of your pionts .
rafa never spent 230 mll .his net spend was about
80 mll in six years and he earned most of that himself
by how well he did in europe .

why are wenger [who side play great football] but have won less than rafa in the last six years.
fergie who i hate but admit is a good manager.
but if you follow your thoughts through you would have sacked him because he only won a couple of cups in his first 7/ 8 years.

when wenger and fergie took over they both had good sides to work with unlike rafa.

as for rafa not bringing youth through he was only in charge for 1year .have a look at the playes in the academy now you can see the improvement.

soul man

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Mr Soul Man, Rafa did actually spend £230m on players. You go on about Net spending, yes he recouped money, but he recouped money on failed players that he signed. I have had this debate before. Please look on the internet to see how much Rafa spent and who was and was not successful. There are plenty of facts out there.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 15:14:18
Liverpool Rumours
An interesting theory regarding the tax rise due in Spain.
A lot of players have it in their contract that the wages they agreed on is after tax deductions. Now with the tax rise, this would mean the clubs would have to foot the bill. Would this mean that the clubs would look to offload some big name players due to this?

MUSHROOM

thanks for the info mushroom i knew i wasnt just making it up lol
teams like valencia are just about ruined then eh.
did i also read we had a few scouts in spain?
is it looking like we will go for a few of la ligas finest?
looks like we would be mad not to.
mikey

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24 Dec 2010 15:08:24
Im not the 15 year old but no offence mate but Valencia has been at utd for quite some time. Last season he was great on the wing. So if you watched football you would know.
SHROOM

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Valencia was signed by ManUre in 2009, which is not quite some time. He has played 36 games and scored 5 goals for them in the prem league. Yes I watch football. He has been injured since 14th September which happened against Rangers.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 15:06:17
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Happy Christmas for tomorrow everybody!

Let's hope there will be a few late Christmas presents in store for us over the January transfer window!

Adam

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24 Dec 2010 14:56:55
Liverpool Rumours
For the response: So, you would sell 2 of our senior lb's, fair enough Mavinga and Robinson would be good given chance, but what if they werent, you would then hinge all your hope on Aurelio? Or wait for Agger to get fit to play him there, oh no, wait, youv sold him!

When has Agger actually been healthy? I wear his shirt to games and almost has never been fit in over 2 years? Do you expect to continue to wait for him? ?. .hmmmmm.NOPE! We can have a talented team and still play 1-2 youth players in the lineup. How does Barca, ManUtd, Arsenal and other "smart" clubs do it? It seems everyone wants to buy the "world" but never develop a youngster! Kelly played a series of games here or there and when he went down injured he's having a hard time getting back in. .Why? hmmm. .Roy's selection is horrible! We need to be smart and play a youngster like Robinson or Mavinga. .What do we have to lose knowing that they are both technically sound when tackling and passing on the wings. Ok, I know they are young, but so is half the Gunners sqaud, the twins at ManUtd, the youth intro's at Barca! We need to develop the youth! People want a new CB at any choice, but are you going to let a massive talent like Andre Wisdom dwindle! I THINK NOT! He's a player that actually plays like Sol Campbell, has the heart of a Lion and wants (key word is WANTs) to be at LFC! So I think you're getting my drift when I say, YES, I'm confident that the LB would be covered well with Aurelio, Robinson, Mavinga and even Kelly (has done it before!) Coentraeo (huge buy out clause) and Taiwo (Settled in France and will not leave unless huge wages and LFC will not pay!) will not be coming here. .PERIOD!

By the way, If we sure up our wingers with the Adam Johnson, Arda Turan, N'Zogbia, we can allow youth to develop because of the "run of play" with talent up front!

SIM THE RED

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24 Dec 2010 14:55:07
Red 77 banter to me is to make your piont who every one as a right to.
you don't have the right to be abusive about our players or ex managers . banter should be funny clever or to make a piont against someone you don't agree with
thats banter to me mate.

when we abuse our own that's why were not the club we once were.
soul man.

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24 Dec 2010 14:52:44
Liverpool Rumours
The Only statement i'm looking for from NESV is that the club is being run correctly from the top! Once that is taken care of, the rest will fall into place over time! It should not be about winning 1 league title, but about ensuring the club survives and can be successful over the long term! While Kun Aguero would be a massive signing and boost to the fans and squad over the winter period the £100M it would cost to have him here for 3-4 years would not do us any favours what so ever at the moment!

Sorry mate but i have to disagree. If we signed ken we would instantly have the best strikeforce in the world. That not only means that we would instantly be feared by everyone we played against, but also that teams couldnt just shut us out like they do at the moment. They would have to worry about keeping us out. Imagine having two of torres to deal with? And u could have the imroving ngog and babel and queech as backup. And aguero is literally SOOOOOO good everyone would absolutely have their faith in liverpool restored overnight. This boosts commercial revenue, taps into the south american market and more importantly than anything sends a statement to the footballing world that we are not a club in transition, we are a club that is gonna smash everyone that's forgotten how massive we are into little tiny pieces.
Get aguero in jan give him half a season to adjust and then next season we have a settled torres aguero uberforce ready to impress upon the mancs how inferior they are. If we're honest there's not many world class players that would come to us and give their all. Aguero is as available as we're gonna find with that kind of megastar pull and instant impact potential. I honestly believe he is the missing piece. And if we don't make a statement of intent we are probably gonna lose torres. If we don't get aguero sooner or later we will live to regret it.
Duckula


AGUERO IN JAN

ps didn't nesv just spend 50m or something on a player? Im really hoping they're with me on this thing.

lmfao, im sorry but you lot really do need a wake up call when it comes to rumours ha ha ha, im gonna print that post out roll it up and stick it in a cracker! will be the best joke of the day!

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24 Dec 2010 14:49:58
Red 77 now your insulting some one because they sit in a different part of the ground to you very witty mate.

as for rafa being better than kenny read what i said again youll see i said under the conditions he had
to work under .king kenny who by the way is the beat player ive seen had sir bob to help him. we all know what kenny went through but i can remember him playing with 4 fullbacks at everton .

i should have said since joe fagan not since sir bob.
soul man.

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24 Dec 2010 14:41:30
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Liverpool Rumours
Bit of a comparison between Andre Villas Boas and our very own Roy Hodgson.

After 28 games at Liverpool, Roy has managed to win 12, draw 8 and lose 8, a win percentage of 42.86%.

Now Villas Boas after 26 games has managed to win 23, draw 3 and lose 0, a win percentage of 88.46%

I know who I would take! and Boas is 33 years old.

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I don't want to defend Roy, but you should consider that Boas is the manager of Porto of the Portugese League, which is probably one of the weakest and most crooked leagues among the top football countries in Europe. If you coach Porto or Benfica, maybe Sporting you will be up there year after year. Now, Boas might be a good coach/ manager, but his record should not be put up against Roy's unless they manage in the same league. This said, I'd probably hire Boas anyhow!

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24 Dec 2010 14:32:12
Liverpool Rumours
Mr 15 year old scouse through and through. I have watched N'zogbia enough times to know he is not the type of player we need. He flits in and out of games and sulks probably more than you do. Valencia is keeping the treatment table warm at the moment so we can not actually judge him yet, although I believe he was better for Wigan than he has been so far for ManUre.

MUSHROOM

Im not the 15 year old but no offence mate but Valencia has been at utd for quite some time. Last season he was great on the wing. So if you watched football you would know.
SHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 14:30:39
BEST JOKE OF 2010. . . . .Rafa better than King Kenny! That is classic! RED77

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24 Dec 2010 14:29:40
Barcelona make me laugh, they are the first to unsettle a player and buy him on the cheap, but when they get them they put ridiculous release clauses in their contracts. Affelay cost 3 million euro they set his release clause at 100 million. He'll be a bench player at best. We should have held on for 50 million for Mascherano even if he isn't woth a fifth of that. Now, about Roy and his so-called targets; why are they all unambitious and cheap? Bentley fails at every big club, Huth failed at Chelsea, N'zogbia failed at Newcastle, Crouch, C. Cole, etc. Sometimes people are unable to do great thingsb because they think small. Could that Roy's problem?

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24 Dec 2010 14:27:50
Soul man, the very fact that you acuse someone of racism because they refer to them being Spanish suggests that it is going to be awfuly difficult to hold a sensible debate with you regarding anything. Therefore I will leave it to the Ed to explain the notion of a banter page. 30 years in the paddock days it all really! RED77

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24 Dec 2010 14:26:56
Liverpool Rumours
I know this is just my take on what could happen but the more I think about it the more possible it seems.You are NESV and you want to make a statement to the fans without spending the 50 million and excessive wages on a so called star who flops in the EPL.Imagine bringing back a local hero in the form of Xabi Alonso who was in the stands watching the last match.
Now im not saying I know or am in the know but Xabi would have got rave reviews from the players at the club and wouldn't cost anywhere near the likes of an Aguero.
I reckon we could get him back cheap as I wonder how much of the reported 30 million has been paid to us by Madrid and with the tax system and their overcrowded team would probably listen to offers.

WHAT DO YOU LOT THINK INC YOU ED?

{Editor's Note: They are smart enough not to waste any money simply to make a statement to the fans - luckily.}

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24 Dec 2010 14:24:09
Rafa can't sell his house for the price he paid for it in 2005. Although they love Merseyside, this is the main reason why the family have returned to the Wirral this Christmas.

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24 Dec 2010 14:20:51
Liverpool Rumours
24 Dec 2010 14:07:09
An interesting theory regarding the tax rise due in Spain.
A lot of players have it in their contract that the wages they agreed on is after tax deductions. Now with the tax rise, this would mean the clubs would have to foot the bill. Would this mean that the clubs would look to offload some big name players due to this?

MUSHROOM

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I would expect the big guns such as Real Madrid and Barcelona to be able to keep up with these tax rises. I would think that the other clubs, to have to offload some players, maybe, Banega, Llorente and Mata may be available. .

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Both Barcelona and Real Madrid have huge debts and it is very probable that over the next year the Spanish banks will have to call these in. Real and Barca will not be able to 'brush these debts under the carpet' this time especially if the Euro collapses and the Spanish economy goes under which are both possible in 2011.

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24 Dec 2010 14:16:36
24 Dec 2010 14:04:38
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgson seems to ba taking a lot of stick, but what do you all think of Sammy Lee input at lfc?
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Like Hodgson, Sammy Lee is clearly working his hardest which is to be commended. But ultimately like Hodgson, Sammy is not a good enough coach or assistant for Liverpool.

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24 Dec 2010 14:14:18
Red 77 im not going to see whos the longest
but when you use somebodys nationality as an insult and asume all spanish men are waiters that's classed as racism.
just a bit of information im a season tkt holder have been for 30 odd years .i can remember sir bob asswell and this mightnt be popular but ithink under the circumstances he had to work under i think rafas the best manager since then.

soul man in the padock about 5 rows behind dug out.

{Editor's Note: Whilst I agree the term may not be the kindest it is certainly not racist - and there is no assumption implied or made that all Spanish men are waiters. Try not to take away someone's throw away remarks so seriously.}

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24 Dec 2010 14:12:44
24 Dec 2010 14:02:02
An interesting theory regarding the tax rise due in Spain.
A lot of players have it in their contract that the wages they agreed on is after tax deductions. Now with the tax rise, this would mean the clubs would have to foot the bill. Would this mean that the clubs would look to offload some big name players due to this?

MUSHROOM
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I think with the issues you talk about and the economic problems the Eurozone is experiencing particularly in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece that loads of good players will be allowed to leave quite cheaply for Northern Europe to get these players off the clubs wage bills.

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24 Dec 2010 14:11:09
Mushroom, you are spot on in your last post. We have had rubbish managers since Kenny. All of them papering over the cracks with a cup win here or there. All the while the best two managers in whiskey nose and Wenger have created dynasties at their respective clubs. The guy earlier who berated you about giving managers time failed to answer the question I posed earlier about who exactly broke through from the academy in the SIX years Rafa was allowed to work for the club. Here is my sure fire way of judging how respected Rafa is as a coach. You ask any other fan if Fergie, Wenger, Ancelotti or Mourinho are good managers and the answer will always be a begrudging yes. Even if they hate the side they manage or them personally. But ask them what they think about Rafa and normally they just laugh! RED77

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RED77 (Mushroom2),

The Academy was a shambles, which RAFA finally realised, hence the sacking of Steve Heighway and the eventual appointment of Rodolfo Borrell. We are now seeing the likes of Kelly, Pacheco, Eccleston, Amoo, Ince and others coming through and Sterling looks to be a real find.

Unfortunately we are not the club we once were and have no god given right to win anything, so we must build and set plans for the future, things I believe RAFA had started. But like I said before these things take time and we need to see the bigger picture and understand that we are going to have to be patient and wait for the glory days to come back.

I believe that RAFA, warts and all, was the man to take us back to those heady days and if we had of been patient with him and not resorted to a kneejerk sacking he would have proved worth it. We may never fully understand the extent of his departure but I agree that it is too late now to try to reistate him and go back to where we were.

That said, one thing I know is that we are in the wrong hands now and something needs to be done about it before too much damage is done. I have heard enough of 'taking a chance' with O'Driscoll, Coyle etc. . We should get an establish manager in, one who is able to handle a big club and then put JC as his player/ assistant coach, to guide him for the future.

Fabian Treezle

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24 Dec 2010 14:06:39
Liverpool Rumours
I agree. .Get A Johnston with other almost done deals

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G John - - Carr or Agger- - Skertel - Konch

A John - - Gerrard - - - Meriles- - -Honda

Nando - - Surez

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24 Dec 2010 14:05:30
Mr mushroom to answer some of your pionts .
rafa never spent 230 mll .his net spend was about
80 mll in six years and he earned most of that himself
by how well he did in europe .

why are wenger [who side play great football] but have won less than rafa in the last six years.
fergie who i hate but admit is a good manager.
but if you follow your thoughts through you would have sacked him because he only won a couple of cups in his first 7/ 8 years.

when wenger and fergie took over they both had good sides to work with unlike rafa.

as for rafa not bringing youth through he was only in charge for 1year .have a look at the playes in the academy now you can see the improvement.

soul man

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24 Dec 2010 14:04:43
Liverpool Rumours
Bit of a comparison between Andre Villas Boas and our very own Roy Hodgson.

After 28 games at Liverpool, Roy has managed to win 12, draw 8 and lose 8, a win percentage of 42.86%.

Now Villas Boas after 26 games has managed to win 23, draw 3 and lose 0, a win percentage of 88.46%

I know who I would take! and Boas is 33 years old.

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24 Dec 2010 14:04:38
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgson seems to ba taking a lot of stick, but what do you all think of Sammy Lee input at lfc??

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24 Dec 2010 14:02:02
An interesting theory regarding the tax rise due in Spain.
A lot of players have it in their contract that the wages they agreed on is after tax deductions. Now with the tax rise, this would mean the clubs would have to foot the bill. Would this mean that the clubs would look to offload some big name players due to this?

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:57:49
It's not about you agreeing with me or not. That's what makes it such a good site. It's about having an opinion, not hanging onto the coat tails of others. But maybe you have had a different opinion to the Ed & I missed it. It's possible I suppose.

The Irish Rover

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That's what the archives are there for, to check up on things. I am pretty sure it won't take long until you find one. Obviously if you can be bothered.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:50:25
Liverpool Rumours
24 Dec 2010 10:51:19
Liverpool Rumours
After jan. .
Reina

Kelly Sktrl Agger Fabio A
Meireles M'Vila Gerrard Honda
Llorente Torres

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Id rather play Gerrard on the right than Miereles. .Raul needs to be in the centre. Stevie can play anywhere and be effective.

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24 Dec 2010 13:42:58
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Ed. If you had a choice of a marquee signing or a new manager, what would you choose?

{Editor's Note: A strange questions - but a new manager.}

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24 Dec 2010 13:40:46
Liverpool Rumours
Apperently andre villas boas speaks really good english , another positive thing that would make him suitable for the job , he could speak to torres reina meirelies in portuguese/ spanish and then use his english to speak to the english lads.

Ed do you know anything about his suituation at porto? is he likely to wanna stay there long term? i would love him to be our new manager.

{Editor's Note: I cannot see him moving to Liverpool in the short term I am afraid.}

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24 Dec 2010 13:40:05
Why is it that when we won the Champions League, Rafa did it with "Houllier's team", but Woy is blamed for how badly we're playing at the moment, yet this is basically with "Rafa's team"?

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24 Dec 2010 13:38:01
Liverpool Rumours
Buy Llorente, Mata, and Honda

New team

Reina

Glenn Skrtel Agger Aurelio

Babel Gerard Honda Mata

Torres Llorente

Or

Reina

Glenn Skrtell Agger Aurelio

Gerrard Meriles Honda

Llorente Torres Mata

Sell

Jova, Poulsen, Maxi, Cole.

In summer buy

Hazard and Contrao, Then we can contest for the league and champions league.

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24 Dec 2010 13:33:57
Why do fans blame h&g for Rafa's failings.
Redeyedhector

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24 Dec 2010 13:32:28
Erm, not entirely sure how calling someone a fat spanish waiter equates to racism but never mind. I would respond to all your post but couldn't make sense of it all. As for me, season ticket holder on the Kop for my 20th season man and boy and like my father and grandfather before me. RED77

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24 Dec 2010 13:25:41
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Hodgsons yet again been talking bout january transfer window , ive never seen so much talk about it , roys nearly talking about it every single day. on skysports.com he said :

"There's no doubt that I and Damien are pushing the owners to back us if we come up with the right people. I think they probably will.

"The big question is will those players become available? Quite frankly we are targeting players that other clubs don't want to lose. We are not targeting players who are on the market and everyone is trying to find a club for."

I get the feeling and it has been said on here before , that if the right player for the club comes along with a true market value , not over the top wages , and wants to play for liverpool fc then john henry will back it all the way.

also roy has said we are targeting players that clubs don't wanna lose , so ccole , bentley , swp are out of the question if you ask me. theres no need to worry about what players we are being linked with , lets just wait and see in january what really happens , cause the papers and caughtoffside.com just make up so much rubbish.

there is some good players being linked though and hopefully we will make a move for a few , e.g Honda , santon , llorente , elia , lukaku , sahko , hazard

DLG

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24 Dec 2010 13:24:04
Seem to remember reading players in spain are due a massive tax rise to bring it in line with what players pay over here.
does anyone know if this is for definate?
if so i don't see many players staying just for the money over there.
mikey

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I believe you are correct, but not sure when. Spain, and a lot of other European countries, are in complete financial dire straights. They have to try and get money back into the economy somehow. It would not suprise me if other countries followed suite.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:23:05
24 Dec 2010 13:09:30
You really try to have a mind of your own Mushroom! It is allowed you know! I mean every post you have EVER put on this site just reiterates what the Ed has already said. Just like my wee question the other day when I asked you if you were in the Sean O'Driscoll camp for manager? What was you answer? Yes! Then you mention all the other managers he has mentioned before. And you also back everything up the Ed ever types. It must be like having a mini me by his side. Any way that's the way I see it, maybe I'm reading too much into it! But anyway, have a great Christmas everyone & all the Eds, I hope you all have a peaceful time. Let's hope for a good Christmas for the mighty reds & maximum points ( eternal optimist).
The Irish Rover

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This must be because the Ed makes more sense than you. Just because I agree with certain posts does not mean I have no mind of my own. The Ed and I have had our disagreements the same as I am disagreeing with you.
If you actually posted something I liked I would agree with you too, but I can not remember you ever posting anything like that.
If you want to be constantly argumentative against sensible suggestions than that is your perogative.

You have a good christmas too.

MUSHROOM

It's not about you agreeing with me or not. That's what makes it such a good site. It's about having an opinion, not hanging onto the coat tails of others. But maybe you have had a different opinion to the Ed & I missed it. It's possible I suppose.

The Irish Rover

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24 Dec 2010 13:21:04
RED 77 im sorry mate when you use man ure
racist terms for rafa and liken dirk kuyt to a papist
it just proves my piont about how you destroy your stand on rafa.

if you have to resort to that kind of abuse then you should hang your head in shame IF YOU ARE ACTUALY A LIVERPOOL FAN AT ALL.
SOUL MAN.

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24 Dec 2010 13:19:28
POST CARD TO MR MUSHROOM

RAFA WAS AT A DISTINCT DISSADVANTAGE IN THE LEAGUE WITH THE FACT HE COULDNT BUILD UP A SQUAD WITH PLENTY OF DEPTH [FACT].

YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WIN.
ONCE AGAIN RAFA HAD DUMB AND DUMBER RUINING OUR CLUP.

COULD YOU SEE ROY STANDING UP TO THEM OR FERGIE OR THE BIASED MERDIA.ITS A SHAME SOME LIVERPOOL FANS SEAM TO BELIEVE EVERY BIASED UNTRUE GARBAGE ABOUT US AND RAFA.
PLENTY OF CLOUDS ON THE HORIZON WITH ROY.

ALL THE BEST
SOUL MAN.

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Mr Soul Man, With your failure to answer my question I guess you have seen my point.
To your first point, a squad with plenty of depth. During Rafa's 6 years in charge he spent over £230m on over 76 players. Now if you fail to get a squad of depth or quality from that then you have no-one else to blame but yourself.
Now on to Fergie. You are correct, Fergie would not stand up to them the same he does not stand up to the Glazers. He understands who pay him his wages. Fergie also concentrates on managing a football team, and because of that, and it pains me to say it, they have been very successful.
Now onto Roy. Yes I agree, Roy is not the man to take us forward.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:18:31
Owen Coyle is going to be a great manager and would be my shout for the top job. My only worry is that he might just need a few more seasons to get ready for the step up. One thing I am confident of though is that NESV are intellegent enough to get the decision spot on. Ask yourself this question. Would Woy have got the gig if they had been the ones hiring? The answer tells you everything you need to know!RED77

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24 Dec 2010 13:12:49
15 year old here scouse through and through and it's harsh as that you are taking the Mick out of Nzogbia he cruises past our and most defences IN the pl! What a joke people don't want him mushroom actually watch him before you judge Remember valencia at wigan? He's great for man utd.

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24 Dec 2010 13:12:44
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People need to seriously get off roy hodgsons back. hes inherited a squad that wasnt his and is trying to do his best with what hes been given. people need to give him until at least next summer until they start talking about another manager. by then we'l see his own stamp on the club (from the players bought in january) and only then, if its not good enough, THEN people can start talking about a new manager. . YNWA

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24 Dec 2010 13:11:54
{Editor's Note: It is bound to happen at some point so why not. We shouldn't discount it - how about Roy's wife taking over? On a more serious note Roy's statements about Joe Cole would not have done him any favours at all - regardless of whether Cole needed a kick up the backside or not. But the thoughts should be of the way forward and not going back over the Benitez or Dalglish "options" again.}

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Agreed.
Oh no Irish Rover, I have actually agreed with the editor again. Maybe I do not have a mind of my own. Could I use yours? It must be new.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:11:25
Mushroom, you are spot on in your last post. We have had rubbish managers since Kenny. All of them papering over the cracks with a cup win here or there. All the while the best two managers in whiskey nose and Wenger have created dynasties at their respective clubs. The guy earlier who berated you about giving managers time failed to answer the question I posed earlier about who exactly broke through from the academy in the SIX years Rafa was allowed to work for the club. Here is my sure fire way of judging how respected Rafa is as a coach. You ask any other fan if Fergie, Wenger, Ancelotti or Mourinho are good managers and the answer will always be a begrudging yes. Even if they hate the side they manage or them personally. But ask them what they think about Rafa and normally they just laugh! RED77

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24 Dec 2010 13:09:30
You really try to have a mind of your own Mushroom! It is allowed you know! I mean every post you have EVER put on this site just reiterates what the Ed has already said. Just like my wee question the other day when I asked you if you were in the Sean O'Driscoll camp for manager? What was you answer? Yes! Then you mention all the other managers he has mentioned before. And you also back everything up the Ed ever types. It must be like having a mini me by his side. Any way that's the way I see it, maybe I'm reading too much into it! But anyway, have a great Christmas everyone & all the Eds, I hope you all have a peaceful time. Let's hope for a good Christmas for the mighty reds & maximum points ( eternal optimist).
The Irish Rover

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This must be because the Ed makes more sense than you. Just because I agree with certain posts does not mean I have no mind of my own. The Ed and I have had our disagreements the same as I am disagreeing with you.
If you actually posted something I liked I would agree with you too, but I can not remember you ever posting anything like that.
If you want to be constantly argumentative against sensible suggestions than that is your perogative.

You have a good christmas too.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 13:08:05
Liverpool Rumours
Sack Hodgson - get Maradona - attract the best talent in the world - sack Maradona. Simples!
Merry Xmas

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24 Dec 2010 13:02:23
Liverpool Rumours
I want the Porto boss or Owen Coyle as the next manager, we obviously need a lb, 2 wingers and a striker so my choice wud be
lb - Cissohko or Coenctru
2 wingers - Turan and a Johnson or Mata and hazard
striker - hulk or Lukaku

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24 Dec 2010 12:59:15
{Editor's Note: I think that Roy Hodgson will be given until the end of the season, but not to prove himself, just simply as a filler until a new manager comes in. We have to hope that whoever comes in is the man or woman to take the club forward.}

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A woman? Now there is an interesting thought. Do you honestly believe Editor that a woman could make a good manager? She would be more moody than Rafa when she couldn't get the player she wants. And imagine if she did, she would want some accessories to go with him.
I hope the Mrs doesn't read this :o)

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: It is bound to happen at some point so why not. We shouldn't discount it - how about Roy's wife taking over? On a more serious note Roy's statements about Joe Cole would not have done him any favours at all - regardless of whether Cole needed a kick up the backside or not. But the thoughts should be of the way forward and not going back over the Benitez or Dalglish "options" again.}

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24 Dec 2010 12:55:10
Liverpool Rumours
To all of the deluded goons who I can't be bothered to name check as none of you deserve it. If it was the genius of the Fat Spanish waiter that won us number 5 in Istanbul, why did it take him to half time and being down by 3 goals BEFORE he put Didi on to mark Kaka who was tearing us apart? I tell you why because he is a rubbish coach who never had the forsight to see that Gerrard should be played through the middle. He put Didi on to stop it from being 10 and Stevie Gerrard did the rest (with help from a few others granted)RED77

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24 Dec 2010 12:53:44
Mushroom lad, its like trying to win an arguement in a Rafa Benitez convention on here mate. As for Dirk, the touch of a rapist springs to mind and about as fast as my old grifter used to be 20 years ago. I do not believe that Woy is the future but there is no way on Gods green earth that Rafa should ever be let near our side again!RED77

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Cheers for your support mate. I knew there must be 1 or 2 sane people left.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:52:01
Mushroom

Your dislike for RAFA is quite clear but, I am sure somewhat hypocritical. I bet you were crying with joy after that night in Istanbul, jumping off your seat when we hammered Real Madrid and Man Utd and proclaiming RAFA to be the greatest manager we have had in 20 years - I know I was. He had one bad season, which under the circumstances (H&G) he could be forgiven for. But what I find amazing and a little annoying is the hypocrisy, naivety and complete short-sightedness of some supporters. It is clear when you consider Ferguson and Wenger that when you have a good manager longevity and stability are the secrets to long term sustained success. Some supporters cannot see the big picture.

Fabian Treezle

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First things first. I do not hate or dislike Rafa. Yes I was jumping for joy on all of the above mentioned. My questioning of Rafa's ability to manage the team instead of trying to gain more power at the club, the constant bickering and fighting with the owners in the tabloids, does not make me a hypocrite. If Rafa was a good manager then yes he would still be at the club because , as you say, longevity and stability provide success. Rafa caused his fair share of destabilising the club. Bear in mind that LFC is far greater than one man.
Now I don't know about you, but I am old enough to remember the glory years of Paisley (some of them anyway), Fagan and Dalglish. After seeing the succes of these teams on a regular basis, it disheartens me to see the way in which our club has declined. We have never had a good manager since King Kenny. Roy Evans tried to play good pass and move football but he was more a number 2 than a manager.
I can see the even bigger picture, maybe you should take your Rafa blinkers off.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:49:19
Mushroom lad, its like trying to win an arguement in a Rafa Benitez convention on here mate. As for Dirk, the touch of a rapist springs to mind and about as fast as my old grifter used to be 20 years ago. I do not believe that Woy is the future but there is no way on Gods green earth that Rafa should ever be let near our side again!RED77

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24 Dec 2010 12:39:36
Actually we would have been 5 points better off. If you compare the results last season and this season against the same or equivalent (in the case of promoted sides) teams, we currently sit 5 points worse off.

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Actually if you compare all the prem seasons results we have had against each individual team or their equivalent (in the case of promoted sides), we currently would be top without of having lost or drawn a game. WOW if life was only this simple.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:31:52
"Masc was bought for £18m and sold for £18m. And Kuyyt in rubbish."

Masch was sold to barcelona for 22m, and Kuyt not a world beater, but he is far from rubbish , better than Joe Cole that's for sure.
Roy

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Masch was sold for 21 million Euros. I will let you do the currency conversion.
I never claimed Joe Cole was any good, but stand by my claim that Kuyyt is rubbish.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:31:52
"Masc was bought for £18m and sold for £18m. And Kuyyt in rubbish."

Masch was sold to barcelona for 22m, and Kuyt not a world beater, but he is far from rubbish , better than Joe Cole that's for sure.
Roy

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Masch was sold for 21 million Euros. I will let you do the currency conversion.
I never claimed Joe Cole was any good, but stand by my claim that Kuyyt is rubbish.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:26:01
I think MUSHROOM actually LOVES Rafa Benitez and desparately wants him to take over at Liverpool again. . . . Hence the hatred. . . . It is said sometimes HATRED STEMS FROM EXCESSIVE LOVE. . . .

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You found me out. I worship the ground Rafa walks on. I appologize to you oh mighty one for pointing out my school ground behaviour. I won't do it again.
Please Rafa come back so you can once again take my beloved football team downwards. I will never question your defensive tactics, your ability to upset and force star players out of the door and the fact that you prefer power and politics to managing a football team.

Sincerely
MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 12:24:35
Liverpool Rumours
Jurgen Klopp the flop. most predicatable newspaper headline ever lol

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24 Dec 2010 12:12:04
I think MUSHROOM actually LOVES Rafa Benitez and desparately wants him to take over at Liverpool again. . . . Hence the hatred. . . . It is said sometimes HATRED STEMS FROM EXCESSIVE LOVE. . . .

Anyways on the lighter note, please check out the article by SARAH WINTERBURN in football365.com today. . . .

I think its a wonderful example of the far sightedness of our ED(S). . I have been a regular visitor of this site since May and the ED(S) have frequently mentioned Sean O Driscoll as a manager to look out for. . . .

When NESV took over at Boston they got a 28 year old guy as the coach. . . . Why can't we have O Driscoll as the manager? ?. . . .I don't mind if we finish 17th in the league if we have champagne football. . . .At least we will be satisfied that the players are playing for the fans. . .

So SC* W the star players. . . . .

Ed, Cant we raise/ launch/ mobilise a campaign for him to be the next manager?

Pritam {ed's note - to think I used to take abuse every time I mentioned him as a possible!}

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Ed, its stange how the English clubs function? ?. . .

If you see Milan, they have appointed Allegri who was with a club who had just been promoted to Serie A last season. . . .

Who had heard of Pep Guardiola as a coach before he was appointed Barcelona coach? . . Rafa before Valencia? ?. . .Mourinho before Porto? . .

the difference is the clubs in continent are far more prepared to take the risk and analyse the (actually)required aspects before they appoint someone as a coach. . .

But English EPL clubs have more focus on face value reather than place value. . . .

The current Leeds manager (in addition to O Driscoll) is another fine manager. . these guys need confidence and backing. . .if they turn out to be like Paul Ince(though hewasnt given enough time) then go ahead with the sack. .

Pritam (backing Driscoll as the manager)

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24 Dec 2010 12:11:19
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Liverpool Rumours
Id love if n'zogbia joined liverpool. fast young talented winger who can play behind the striker if needed. we saw wen we versed wigan that he constantly took our players on and most of the time beat them. now compare that to babel, jovanovic, who r both very fast but never take on players and when they do, the defender gets the better of them
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jovanovic is a striker not a winger that's why he is playing hillocks when he actually gets a game, and babel was also signed as a striker but moved out wide, but he plays well when he can be bothered and he has beaten players, 2008/ 2009 he skinned m.richards good and proper, and he even can say that he has skinned sergio ramos to put a cross in for gerrard to score in that magnificent night. And seriously you think insonyia would be a good signing, he is LAZY and is no improvement on babel. he is not a big player that liverpool should be chasing, if he was good somebody better than wigan would've snapped him up from the toon. FHS we should be linked with stars we can still attract players with our history and our ambitions and we finally have the financial muscle to compete with top teams so stop linking us with that garbage, mata, honda, sanchez, not n'zogbia, huth, and a.young you tots GAWRD!
simple poll here:

Eljero elia - 12m - bel
N'zogbia - 8.5m - unbel

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24 Dec 2010 12:11:19
The subject of RAFA is clearly a devisive one between our lfc supporters. . .the very reason he cannot be liverpool manager. . we need someone who will unite us. .someone who gives us hope and gives us confidence not just for the future, but for the present also. .is roy that man? ?. .i don't think so. but i think we need to give him a chance and buy some quality in january. . the best we can hope this season is top six and the europa league. .being realistic with our current sqaud. . the top five clubs have better and stronger sqauds than we do. .we lack quality and depth in so many areas. .blame who you like for that. its an honest assesment. .we have more dead wood than a forest in chernobyl. .

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24 Dec 2010 12:07:33
Probably I should n't have used the word 'certain' nothing in life is certain until it happens.But I strongly feel if Rafa was in charge we would 've won the games against blackpool and Newcastle.
As for players would have left, maybe? , I did n't actually believe any of that nonsense about a rift etc, the big players wanted out because they felt the club lacked ambition , the same thing Rafa was challenging the hierarchy about, and I think they are even more dismayed now and if they stayed beyond Jan, it will need miracles to keep them after the end of the season.
One last note, I like to be fair to Rafa, he is a liverpool supporter and did a lot of good things to the club and city;He also made a lot of bad moves, in transfers, stupid substitutions etc . he is not one in my top 5 living managers , but he is far far better that Roy.
Roy

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Actually we would have been 5 points better off. If you compare the results last season and this season against the same or equivalent (in the case of promoted sides) teams, we currently sit 5 points worse off.

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24 Dec 2010 12:02:18
The Premier League iis our bread and butter. How many times did Rafa beat Mourinho in this competition Soul Man? Answers on a postcard or maybe even a stamp.

MUSHROOM

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Mushroom

Your dislike for RAFA is quite clear but, I am sure somewhat hypocritical. I bet you were crying with joy after that night in Istanbul, jumping off your seat when we hammered Real Madrid and Man Utd and proclaiming RAFA to be the greatest manager we have had in 20 years - I know I was. He had one bad season, which under the circumstances (H&G) he could be forgiven for. But what I find amazing and a little annoying is the hypocrisy, naivety and complete short-sightedness of some supporters. It is clear when you consider Ferguson and Wenger that when you have a good manager longevity and stability are the secrets to long term sustained success. Some supporters cannot see the big picture.

Fabian Treezle

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24 Dec 2010 12:01:37
Liverpool Rumours
Ed whot do u think will happan do u think roy will get a run at are job an make the team his own, we have always been good to mangers so i think he will be able 2 bring in 3 or 4 players we need plus some will have to go for sure. we were all at the pub last nite all my mates asking whot i think wiil happan to my pool i said little gaffa will be given a good crack at it. but i said that if little gaffa gets the push, i said bring in the man that would fire up the team an get em going an that man was( BIG SAM THE MAN ) i had had 1 or 2 lol but i could see him doing the job he has never had money 2 spend just like roy but sam has got the balls to let go an rip in to players an get em going, ed any very lastest goss please. . walk on walk on ynwa jay essex red 4 life up the reds

{Editor's Note: I think that Roy Hodgson will be given until the end of teh season, but not to prove himself, just simply as a filler until a new manager comes in. We have to hope that whoever comes in is the man or woman to take the club forward.}

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24 Dec 2010 11:59:23
How could you be certain we would have 6 more points under Rafa? Last season we finished 23 points behind the eventual winners. Rafa did a wonderful job then didn't he! If he were still here we would be in a far worse position as the players who were rumoured to leave, would have left.
Hodgson is not the man to take us forward, but neither is Rafa. Valencia, Liverpool and Inter, Rafa challenged the heirarchy instead of concentrating on managing the team, otherwise known as doing his job.

MUSHROOM

You really try to have a mind of your own Mushroom! It is allowed you know! I mean every post you have EVER put on this site just reiterates what the Ed has already said. Just like my wee question the other day when I asked you if you were in the Sean O'Driscoll camp for manager? What was you answer? Yes! Then you mention all the other managers he has mentioned before. And you also back everything up the Ed ever types. It must be like having a mini me by his side. Any way that's the way I see it, maybe I'm reading too much into it! But anyway, have a great Christmas everyone & all the Eds, I hope you all have a peaceful time. Let's hope for a good Christmas for the mighty reds & maximum points ( eternal optimist).
The Irish Rover

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24 Dec 2010 11:58:02
POST CARD TO MR MUSHROOM

RAFA WAS AT A DISTINCT DISSADVANTAGE IN THE LEAGUE WITH THE FACT HE COULDNT BUILD UP A SQUAD WITH PLENTY OF DEPTH [FACT].

YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WIN.
ONCE AGAIN RAFA HAD DUMB AND DUMBER RUINING OUR CLUP.

COULD YOU SEE ROY STANDING UP TO THEM OR FERGIE OR THE BIASED MERDIA.ITS A SHAME SOME LIVERPOOL FANS SEAM TO BELIEVE EVERY BIASED UNTRUE GARBAGE ABOUT US AND RAFA.
PLENTY OF CLOUDS ON THE HORIZON WITH ROY.

ALL THE BEST
SOUL MAN.

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24 Dec 2010 11:57:57
Liverpool Rumours
Seem to remember reading players in spain are due a massive tax rise to bring it in line with what players pay over here.
does anyone know if this is for definate?
if so i don't see many players staying just for the money over there.
mikey

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24 Dec 2010 11:47:58
I think MUSHROOM actually LOVES Rafa Benitez and desparately wants him to take over at Liverpool again. . . . Hence the hatred. . . . It is said sometimes HATRED STEMS FROM EXCESSIVE LOVE. . . .

Anyways on the lighter note, please check out the article by SARAH WINTERBURN in football365.com today. . . .

I think its a wonderful example of the far sightedness of our ED(S). . I have been a regular visitor of this site since May and the ED(S) have frequently mentioned Sean O Driscoll as a manager to look out for. . . .

When NESV took over at Boston they got a 28 year old guy as the coach. . . . Why can't we have O Driscoll as the manager? ?. . . .I don't mind if we finish 17th in the league if we have champagne football. . . .At least we will be satisfied that the players are playing for the fans. . .

So SC* W the star players. . . . .

Ed, Cant we raise/ launch/ mobilise a campaign for him to be the next manager?

Pritam {ed's note - to think I used to take abuse every time I mentioned him as a possible!}

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24 Dec 2010 11:46:15
Liverpool Rumours
Id love if n'zogbia joined liverpool. fast young talented winger who can play behind the striker if needed. we saw wen we versed wigan that he constantly took our players on and most of the time beat them. now compare that to babel, jovanovic, who r both very fast but never take on players and when they do, the defender gets the better of them

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If you would be happy with players like N'zogbia, then you really have no ambition for the club.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 11:45:56
MuSHROOM
"Masc was bought for £18m and sold for £18m. And Kuyyt in rubbish."

Masch was sold to barcelona for 22m, and Kuyt not a world beater, but he is far from rubbish , better than Joe Cole that's for sure.
Roy

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24 Dec 2010 11:39:02
MUSHROOM:
"How could you be certain we would have 6 more points under Rafa? Last season we finished 23 points behind the eventual winners. Rafa did a wonderful job then didn't he! If he were still here we would be in a far worse position as the players who were rumoured to leave, would have left.
Hodgson is not the man to take us forward, but neither is Rafa. Valencia, Liverpool and Inter, Rafa challenged the hierarchy instead of concentrating on managing the team, otherwise known as doing his job."

Probably I should n't have used the word 'certain' nothing in life is certain until it happens.But I strongly feel if Rafa was in charge we would 've won the games against blackpool and Newcastle.
As for players would have left, maybe? , I did n't actually believe any of that nonsense about a rift etc, the big players wanted out because they felt the club lacked ambition , the same thing Rafa was challenging the hierarchy about, and I think they are even more dismayed now and if they stayed beyond Jan, it will need miracles to keep them after the end of the season.
One last note, I like to be fair to Rafa, he is a liverpool supporter and did a lot of good things to the club and city;He also made a lot of bad moves, in transfers, stupid substitutions etc . he is not one in my top 5 living managers , but he is far far better that Roy.
Roy

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24 Dec 2010 11:37:36
Lucas has come in for some stick but I think he's been our shining light this season! Konchesky is possibly the worst left back I have ever seen. We need to focus on signing a striker (obviously) a left back and get some width back in the team! We havent had any world class wide players for 2 long now! Its always been our problem and a reason we don't win enougt trophies. I'd love to see Mata, Carrol (Big shout, what you think?) and Hazard, unlikely I know but a boy can dream! Anyways lets get behind the lads and hope for some good performances and wins V Blackpool and Wolves we'll see things differently over New Year then.

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24 Dec 2010 11:36:26
Liverpool Rumours
Lets hope rafa benitez goes to manu next, if fergie retires. he did nothing with us
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Except win us a few trophies, Bring in Torres, get Gerrard to stay instead of going to Chelsea, Bring in Reina, and Masc (who we made a fortune on), brought in our hardest working player in Kuyt, and also brought in fantastic prospects such as Lucas? ?

the team won those trophies, mostly steven gerrard, ok, wow be bought a few players, alot of managers can do that and gerrard didn't go to chelsea coz he loves liverpool. you know what i remember, rafa making promises and in the end we came out looking like fools, while rafa gets a nice compensation fee. i remember him leaving when things got bad with debt that what crazy. i agree with u wen u say he signed some great players but you and i both know he signed alot of flops.

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24 Dec 2010 11:24:57
Its a disgrace that we are criticising Rafa! !

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24 Dec 2010 11:22:28
Id have rafa back like a shot . as for the special one
at milan how many times did he beat rafa in
europe let me think none.

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The Premier League iis our bread and butter. How many times did Rafa beat Mourinho in this competition Soul Man? Answers on a postcard or maybe even a stamp.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 11:19:03
Except win us a few trophies, Bring in Torres, get Gerrard to stay instead of going to Chelsea, Bring in Reina, and Masc (who we made a fortune on), brought in our hardest working player in Kuyt, and also brought in fantastic prospects such as Lucas? ?

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Masc was bought for £18m and sold for £18m. And Kuyyt in rubbish.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 11:12:12
Lets hope rafa benitez goes to manu next, if fergie retires. he did nothing with us
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Except win us a few trophies, Bring in Torres, get Gerrard to stay instead of going to Chelsea, Bring in Reina, and Masc (who we made a fortune on), brought in our hardest working player in Kuyt, and also brought in fantastic prospects such as Lucas? ?

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24 Dec 2010 11:11:12
F H S ALL the rafa knockers youve got some
pionts to make that i might agree with .

rafas not perfect but you don't give him any credit for anything he achieved with us . you make your argument look very unballenced.
in life you learn by your misstakes and improve .

id have rafa back like a shot . as for the special one
at milan how many times did he beat rafa in
europe let me think none.

we had the 5th highest wage bill/ 5 highest squad / and about the 5 highest gate so rafa actualy over achieved with us FACT.

And none of you knockers mention the proplems wit dumb and dumber wich i can't understand att all.
they ARE the reason we are where we are.

purslow obviuosly thinks hes a better manager than roy or rafa judging by what roys said hes trying to
run the club .
THIS IS FOR RED 77 MUSHROOM.
GET RAFA BACK NOW.

soul man.

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24 Dec 2010 11:08:12
"GERRARD won the two finals NOT Rafa." RED77

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er rafa picked him to play! also i take it when we lost you blamed gerrard?? bet you dont!

matty b


cudnt of put it better myself mate what an idiot !

the thing that won us the european cup final was that fact rafa brought didi on to stop kaka which he did to great effect

plus the fa cup final im sure pepe had a hand in that victory

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24 Dec 2010 11:04:41
Liverpool Rumours
Buy Llorente, Mata and Honda in Jan with Taiwo to sign and pre contract.

Team

Reina

Glen Skrtel Agger Taiwo

Babel Gerrard Honda Mata

Torres Llorente

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24 Dec 2010 11:00:19
Lets hope rafa benitez goes to manu next, if fergie retires. he did nothing with us, he turned inter into crap maybe he could go to manu and make them crap, well crappier, coz there already crap

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24 Dec 2010 10:46:45
Go on the Premier League website, go on the post from around the league dated Fri 24th, and read Blackpool, Ian Holloway is such a legend. He runs that club perfectly, keeps players feet on the ground whilst playing a brand of football that is up there with the Villa of last year, the Arsenal and Tottenahm of this, i think he is great, just tells it how it is!

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24 Dec 2010 10:45:08
Agree the season is not over yet , but I have the same concerns as the original poster , I feel we won't make Europa and loose many of our better players . I am not expecting much in January and a lot of people in here will be disappointed come 31/ 1/ 2011 - I hope i am proved wrong .
As for Rafa, if he was still around , I don't think we would be at the top of the table , but pretty certain we would have had 6 more points, and still be in touch with the top 4.
Roy

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How could you be certain we would have 6 more points under Rafa? Last season we finished 23 points behind the eventual winners. Rafa did a wonderful job then didn't he! If he were still here we would be in a far worse position as the players who were rumoured to leave, would have left.
Hodgson is not the man to take us forward, but neither is Rafa. Valencia, Liverpool and Inter, Rafa challenged the heirarchy instead of concentrating on managing the team, otherwise known as doing his job.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 10:41:35
"GERRARD won the two finals NOT Rafa." RED77

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er rafa picked him to play! ! also i take it when we lost you blamed gerrard? ? bet you dont!

matty b

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24 Dec 2010 10:28:16
"The season is not over yet. A couple of good signings in Jan can make all the difference. Don't forget, most of this team is what Rafa put together.
MUSHROOM"

Agree the season is not over yet , but I have the same concerns as the original poster , I feel we won't make Europa and loose many of our better players . I am not expecting much in January and a lot of people in here will be disappointed come 31/ 1/ 2011 - I hope i am proved wrong .
As for Rafa, if he was still around , I don't think we would be at the top of the table , but pretty certain we would have had 6 more points, and still be in touch with the top 4.
Roy

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24 Dec 2010 10:22:23
This is the genius like manager who got into a rage and fell out with one of our star players because he refused to miss the birth of his CHILD for a Champ League match against Inter Milan. We still won the tie but the stubborn cold man refused to ever speak to the player ever again. Courted an inferior replacement right under his nose and forced him out of the club he clearly loved playing for. Even when a group of senior players went to him and begged him to invite the player to pre season training as he was torn about leaving he still point blank refused and we lost our star player forever. Still, we had Lucas to replace him! RED77

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24 Dec 2010 10:17:29
Liverpool Rumours
Borrussia Dortmund have a few players I would like us to have

Sahin
&
Hummels

Both are young and extremely talented

Sadly would cost a fair bit of money for us to buy as Dortmund are flying this season

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24 Dec 2010 10:14:59
We WONT finish 10th we will finish 6th with Rafa's fantastic legacy he left us with. One better than he managed in his pinacle last season. RED77

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24 Dec 2010 10:05:22
And this season we will finish no higher than 10th, become a laughing stock of world football and lose our top players. At least Rafa won't be here to blame for that though, I hope you feel happy at the end of the season when we are in a massive state.

BloodRedMatt

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The season is not over yet. A couple of good signings in Jan can make all the difference. Don't forget, most of this team is what Rafa put together.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 10:01:29
Liverpool Rumours
And this season we will finish no higher than 10th
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Right, look at the league as it stands, we are not far off the top 7, and from there it is a short way to top for. We are mid table, but playing the worst football we have ever played, even if we slightly improve, so will our league position.
Liverpool have over the last few years been a prodominantly (spelling) second half of the season kind of team, keep faith, we will turn this season around, fair enough it will never be amazing, but we can still make Europe. .!

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24 Dec 2010 10:00:37
Anyone that thinks that ridiculous goatee thing looks good in the mirror should have his judgement seriously questioned.

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24 Dec 2010 09:52:31
Looking at what he's done and LFC and Inter. . Anyone else wishing for him to take over from Wiskey Nose at ManUre?

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24 Dec 2010 09:43:56
Liverpool Rumours
{Editor's Note: He recently signed a new contract at Atletico. Atletico may let him go but would want to start negotiating at the value of his buy out clause - something in the region of £50M. He currently earns about £100k net. That means Liverpool would need to offer the player about £200k for parity. I really cannot see it happening and I am pretty sure that NESV are not going to buy players simply to make a statement to the fans.}

The Only statement i'm looking for from NESV is that the club is being run correctly from the top! Once that is taken care of, the rest will fall into place over time! It should not be about winning 1 league title, but about ensuring the club survives and can be successful over the long term! While Kun Aguero would be a massive signing and boost to the fans and squad over the winter period the £100M it would cost to have him here for 3-4 years would not do us any favours what so ever at the moment!

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24 Dec 2010 09:42:23
"GERRARD won the two finals NOT Rafa." RED77

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I hope you know what Rafa said at half time at Istanbul, I also remember Smicer and Xabi scoring and Dudek and Riena being amazing in the shootouts of the finals. The team won the finals, fair enough Gerrard was probably MOTM in FA cup but it has to be Carra or Jerzy or even Rafa for Istanbul. WE ARE A TEAM

BloodRedMatt

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24 Dec 2010 09:39:11
He didn't in his final season we finished 7th.

MUSHROOM

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And this season we will finish no higher than 10th, become a laughing stock of world football and lose our top players. At least Rafa won't be here to blame for that though, I hope you feel happy at the end of the season when we are in a massive state.

BloodRedMatt

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24 Dec 2010 09:37:31
6.4 million quid for turning two famous clubs into mid table also rans. Nice work if you can get it. A festive poser for all the Rafa loving gang. During his SIX long years at Anfield can you name ONE player that broke through from the academy under his tenure? RED77

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24 Dec 2010 09:36:03
Merry Christmas to all

Look gettin a bit worried about all the "we want Rafa back" brigade, this is the bloke who fell out with his best mate(paco) forced him out of the club with his stubborness replaced him with Sammy Lee oh dear! , this is the bloke that forced one of the best centre mid players (alonso) out of our club & tried to replace him with Gareth h* king Barry thank Jesus that never came off, this is the bloke that continued to play Lucas & Insua when their confidence was shot to bits & the crowd were on their backs, this is the bloke that got total control of the club regarding transfers & bought s* te, we have been on a slippery slope to mid table rankings ever since, this is the bloke that top players at our club got fed up with & wanted to walk because of his stubborness, the only time we look back is to remember what we have achieved, we need to look forward to what we can achieve & under the regime of Rafa or Roy this will not happen. . . . sorry to be such a misery on this festive day, all the best, hope the new year brings us what we want, new manager, new players, & new direction hopefully which is up. .

YWNA
96 reasons why

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24 Dec 2010 09:27:09
Yes Yes we all remember, Torres was on the pitch for 75 minutes and was crap, Rafa swapped him for Ngogg who got into position 3 times to win the match, OK he missed them all but if Torres ws on the pitch he wouldn`t even have been there. !
C`mon take of those rose tintied specs and actually pay attention to what went on during the game.

Matt B

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We did pay attention. This was the moment when the players began to question Rafa's judgement. It went downhill from there.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 09:24:08
We never played this bad though did we, and atleast he got us in the Champions league!

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He didn't in his final season we finished 7th.

MUSHROOM

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24 Dec 2010 09:23:39
Liverpool Rumours
The continuing love in for all things Rafs from a section of our supporters makes no sense at all. Rafa got the team to a certain point with his weird stand offish cold management skills. One slight problem, when the wheels fell off so dramatically as they did he was incapeable of convincing the players that he was the man to turn things round. He lost the dressing room completely. It is a known fact that our captain and our star striker both wanted shot of him or they would have been off instead. Does anyone believe they would feel differently now? Benitez has been busted at Inter. Following the ultra charismatic Mourinho who players openly cried for when he left has exposed his flaws for all to see. Rafa will now have to take a step down the managerial pecking order to try and rebuild his career and will struggle without big money to spend. We are well rid and need to move forwards not backwards. The Rafa lovers need to get over it. GERRARD won the two finals NOT Rafa. RED77

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24 Dec 2010 09:12:41
Let's get André Villas Boas to be our new coach, speaks fluent english (northern), has achieved great things with Porto and would be a breath of fresh air for the club.

Then let's have a striker, a ball playing CB and a winger or two! Build a team for the next decade, achieve great success, watch the scum lose Taggart and their club to debts and the blue noses sign Carlton Cole and Paulsen.

Happy Christmas

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24 Dec 2010 09:04:17
Hahha a Robert Huth do NOT believe it the journos just make it up on the spot I know how that industry works around 8-11pm the stories of tomorrow are made up.
Notice there is no source?
Just a load of g*sh.
Simply Hilarious
Can't wait for Jan!
Personally this season has been a blessing finally our issues have been revealed like our poor defence and the lack of width.
Onwards and upwards!
LFC red since 91.

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24 Dec 2010 08:55:56
24 Dec 2010 00:50:33
Remember Rafa taking Torres off at Birmingham at 1-1? Gerrard's face?

Yes Yes we all remember, Torres was on the pitch for 75 minutes and was crap, Rafa swapped him for Ngogg who got into position 3 times to win the match, OK he missed them all but if Torres ws on the pitch he wouldn`t even have been there. !
C`mon take of those rose tintied specs and actually pay attention to what went on during the game.

Matt B

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24 Dec 2010 08:49:37
We got honda roy would probably play him left back or in goal
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Funny that you say that, because Honda can actually play left back and would probably do a far better job then Paul Konchesky

David N'gog, Brad Jones, Roy Hodgson. Jay Spearing, Christian Poulson, Hulk Hogan, Chris Moyles, Lorraine Kelly, Mike Tyson, Captain Jack Sparrow - just a few names who would do better at left back than Kockchesky

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24 Dec 2010 08:34:46
Liverpool Rumours
This is not really a rumour but wondered what your thoughts are on this ed: frank rijkaard is a very attack minded manager who could bring entertaining football back to anfield. He would also be able to attract the kind of players that our club should be competing to buy (llorrente, dzeko, sanchez, hulk, hazard, turan and mata etc). These are all either proven goalscorers or attack minded players that can bring much needed pace and width to our side. They would all also have a sell on value in years to come which nesv want. However, I believe that we should only go for rijkaard if he can bring his backroom staff from his barca era (ten cate and nixens) as recent times have proven that they are successful as a group but not individually as ten cate's reign at Ajax and franks at galatasaray shows. What do you think ed??

{Editor's Note: Frank Rijkaard is not an option - and there are specific reasons for this which we are not able to discuss here.}

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24 Dec 2010 06:40:40
Liverpool Rumours
Just had a phone call from a very senior manager in the bookies, as I told you all yesterday, a lot of money is going on Rafa rejoining LFC. . . His odds have dropped from 40/ 1 down to 5/ 1 and it is thought that they will drop to 6/ 4 by close of business on Boxing Day. . . . whilst RH will see his odds for the sack to 10/ 11. .

RH is having serious problems with key squad members (AGAIN) hence the renewed interest from serious betting figures. .
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If Rafa comes back, I will cancel my membership on the LFC home page. Look at what he did to Valencia, they are still trying to dig out from the mess he left. Look at what, in a few short months, he has created at Inter. Look at what he left at Liverpool. I agree Roy should leave, but let us not go from the frying pan into the fire.
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please don't say from the frying pan into the fire not having a dig at you but every tool said that when the takeover was happening did my head in, but i agree 100% what your saying bout rafa NO THANKS i don't think the players would want him back.

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@Look at what he left at Liverpool

See my friend, what he left at Liverpool was a European Cup (not managed by anyone after Kenny) and FA Cup. . .

So you should respect what he did for Liverpool. . .

Unfortunately due to the owners and Parry, he could not achieve what he set out to do. . that is win the EPL. .

But that is all water under the bridge. . . You thank the legend and move on. . .

Bringing Rafa back will be a FUNDAMENTAL mistake as the times ask of us to promote and nurture young players to achieve our dream of winning the league. . . Rafa cannot do that until he clears his head. . . I don't see that happening EVER or at least in the next five years. . . .

We should look at the likes of Coyle, Driscoll, Di Matteo or Boas. . .The EDs are right there. . .

THANK HIM but we don't want him again now. . . . But the memories will always be there. . .

Eds any success in looking through the prism as to in which direction the NESV may go for a coach? . . .Some signal? ?

Pritam.

{Editor's Note: I have no idea where we will end up with respect to a new coach.}

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24 Dec 2010 06:23:10
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool's new owners have made clear there will be no emotional return to the club for Rafa Benitez.

The Spanish coach has returned to his home on Merseyside after being sacked less than six months into his reign at Inter Milan.

Already some Reds fans are calling for the ­Champions League-winning boss to be brought back by the new regime, after being sacked by the previous owners in June.

But John Henry and Tom Werner, the men behind NESV, who completed a takeover of Liverpool two months ago, have privately indicated there is no way back for Benitez.


Thank god he is not coming here.

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If anyone, bring back Paco!

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24 Dec 2010 04:38:16
If NESV were to turn to Rafael Benitez should results and performances continue to be poor , I think they would be taking heart that all of the players barring Joe Cole , Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen were introduced or managed by Rafa himself and therefore in the process of moving forward , the team being more familiar to Rafael Benitez , results and performances would be in better stead whilst the squad is rebuilt .

They might also feel 'The Kop' would be recharged by the return of Rafael Benitez .

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24 Dec 2010 03:33:31
Liverpool Rumours
Just read a rumour we are after Huth from Stoke. .BBC SPORT. Now if this is the case, this truely dissappoints me to where our manager see's OUR club going forward. NOW. . .don't get me wrong, ive commented on other sites, about players and managers etc etc. . . . .
IVE argued a case for LUCAS and other youngsters. I'm a LIVERPOOL fan upmost and foremost. . . . .even with the takeover, it took some of the burden off my shoulders from the restless nights i've spent. . . but the manager is a weak link.
To be linked with players as the likes of Carlton Cole(in a swap with LUCAS & BABEL?? ), Elmander of Bolton. . .etc etc. . .
Im sorry but we ARE bigger than that.
The comments that come out of ROY's mouth are unbelievable. . . . . Now if Joe Cole is a confidence player. . . why publicly slate him?? I know and you know(the real footy fans) KNOW that Joe Cole is an awsome player on his day. . .give him chance, sent off in his game against Arsenal, then got injured. . .just give him a chance. . . . .

"Its not my squad" another famous quote from ROY, funny how this squad was 4pts off winning the league(give or take a couple of players). . blatant excuses. . . .the job is too big for him the players are too big for him. . he doesn't know his strongest team. . .he signed Konchesky and Poulsen, ive nothing against the players. . .they are pro's they made it. .i didn't and I'm better than the pair of them. . . .lol. . . . . . .bored and tired. . . . .YNWA. . . . . .JFT96

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24 Dec 2010 02:47:49
Can you imagine the number of Honda 7 shirts that would be sold? That would fund his transfer and wages alone, plus he is a good player

{Editor's Note: How many shirts do you think they would need to sell to fund the transfer and wages?}

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24 Dec 2010 02:44:24
If we got honda roy would probably play him left back or in goal
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Funny that you say that, because Honda can actually play left back and would probably do a far better job then Paul Konchesky

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24 Dec 2010 02:22:56
To the chap who said Roy will play Honda left back do your homework son he can play left back too. Search it.

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24 Dec 2010 02:11:22
Liverpool Rumours
Just a quickie to all those deluded Pro-Rafa Benitez fans. . . . . stop deluding yourselves about this mans achievements at Liverpool!
His first season at LFC was a mixture of crappy domestic results and superb Euro results (culminating in Istanbul! ). We saw a second season along the same path of ignoring the need to actually win domestic honours in favour of qualifying for Euro Champs Lge. . . The FA Cup win v W.Ham was down to Gerrard.
After that. . . . . .nothing!
Apart from the close-run Premiership a couple of seasons ago (which we should've won) and maybe the odd minor success here and there we did Hick-all under the Great Spanish Messiah apart from start arguments with everyone and wash our dirty laundry in public on a day-to-day basis.
Our best players felt "unloved or unappreciated" under him and even Paco Ayesteran (possibly the REAL tactical maestro) was forced out due to Rafa's petulance.
Gerard Houllier failed because he knew only French football and didn't understand the English way.
Rafael Benitez failed because he did the same but in Spanish but with more of a chip on his shoulder. He wanted COMPLETE control of everything and by playing on the fans undivided loyalty to him got the owners (Stadtler and Waldorf) to agree to his demands.
This rant against Rafa doesn't acknowledge his limitations financially, his abilty in Europe, his bringing in some excellent youngsters and his loyalty to the Club.
All of these qualities have gone completely under the joker Hodgson. . and more!
However, under Rafa we were never ever going to aspire to domestic success. But at least we were challenging for the minimum requirement of top four.
As a lifetime supporter I want us to win the League every year (plus either the FA Cup or League Cup) with a Champions League win every couple of years.
Sounds a bit far-fetched at the moment whilst we (under Hodgson) think even a lame draw away from home is worthy of a bus-ride procession through the city.
Rafa was awful in the transfer-market. I often got the impression he was signing crap just to send a message to the owners that he wasn't able to buy the best available. Hodgson will be no better because he's only used to buying mediocre players for mediocre teams. Tactically, both of our last two managers have gone against the Liverpool grain in that neither have really favoured width. Houllier was the same but his style of play at least won us some trophies.
What we need now is not Hodgson or Benitez or Houllier. What we need is a young and progressive manager in the mould of Di Mattio or Owen Coyle or maybe Boas from Porto. Talk of Carragher is ridiculous at the moment and we should forget trying to resurrect Dalglish. However, in the short term I wouldn't object to Roy Evans on a temporary basis with the likes of Hyppia, McAllister, Molby, Nicholl, Fowler or Rush/ Aldridge as assistant coaches to re-ignite the "Bootroom" mentality.
Whatever happens, Sammy Lee's record has been SH!T! . . . . Not a coach we need.
Get rid of the Facebook/ Twitter merchants who keep expressing their views through social websites. .Babel, Lucas, Kuuyt etc and return to the real world of football. Ban agents, mobiles and other expensive extras from the Club. Hold players to the contracts they signed if they start creating excuses for leaving. Start calling their bluff even if it means a small loss on the deal.
Introduce some sort of wage-management scheme whereby players are encouraged to invest in life after football rather than them "living for the now".
Give the youngsters more of a chance to shine. .the likes of Kelly and Shelvey are pretty-much established but Pacheco, Suso, N'goo and Silva amongst others are under used. We all know that Konchesky, Skirtel and Johnson are crap defenders so what's wrong with bringing in Kelly, Wilson and Ayala and using Glen Johnson as a wide right midfielder? Personally, I'd invest in at least one central defender to replace the over-the-hill Carrager and at least one full-back (someone like Phillip Lahm can play both LB and RB) and I'd take a punt on someone like Ryan Shawcross at CB.
Fabio Aurelio's contract should never have been renewed/ re-instated owing to his proneness to injury and Konchesky and the on-loan Insua aren't good enough. Just for the record, the top players that are staunch LFC fans are HULK(Porto), Wickham(Ipswich), Peinaar(EFC) and Ardur Turan(Galatasaray). . .all good!
The signings of Konchesky, Poulsen and Cole will be Roy Hodgson's downfall. . . . . . . .they're crap!
His reluctance to utilise Jovanovic, Pacheco (maybe) and Babel (up front) will signal the end of his short reign. Aswell as his ultra-nagative tactics of course.
We can draw parallels to how embarrassed we felt during Benitez/ Hodgson press interviews and surely must agree that now is the time to look forward.
Bring on Coyle or Di Mattio or Boas (or whoever).
Anfieldpete. . .Happy xmas all!

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24 Dec 2010 01:18:41
Liverpool Rumours
Can any1 telll me if masch starts for barca

{Editor's Note: Sometimes starts and sometimes on the bench.}

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24 Dec 2010 00:57:39
Liverpool Rumours
To the guy who posted this dross:

Just had a phone call from a very senior manager in the bookies, as I told you all yesterday, a lot of money is going on Rafa rejoining LFC. . . His odds have dropped from 40/ 1 down to 5/ 1 and it is thought that they will drop to 6/ 4 by close of business on Boxing Day. . . . whilst RH will see his odds for the sack to 10/ 11. .

RH is having serious problems with key squad members (AGAIN) hence the renewed interest from serious betting figures. .
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If Rafa comes back, I will cancel my membership on the LFC home page. Look at what he did to Valencia, they are still trying to dig out from the mess he left. Look at what, in a few short months, he has created at Inter. Look at what he left at Liverpool. I agree Roy should leave, but let us not go from the frying pan into the fire.
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Look what he did at Valencia? Yea, won the La Liga title twice in three years ahead of the "big 2" and won a UEFA Cup despite Real Madrid's and Barcelona's superior financial muscle.

What did he create at Inter? The current Inter is Jose Mourinho's creation. Jose knew that Inter's team was too old, and that Moratti wouldn't significantly invest in younger talent which is why he walked and decided to do so months before the season ended. He had actually already agreed a to join Real Madrid before Inter won the CL in May. Rafa asked Moratti for money to improve the team and got the cold shoulder.

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You can't use the age of the Inter players as an excuse, they're only 6 months older than they were when they won the treble under Mourinho. Besides they have plenty of young players - Santon, Coutinho, Biabiany and plenty of players at their peak age - eg Schneider. They certainly haven't aged enough to be languishing in 7th place of Serie A. I liked Rafa in his first few seasons but he became to arrogant, maybe believing his own hype about being a tactical genius hence his stubborness to make changes when they were needed. He was more concerned about not losing than trying to win. I don't understand why people want him back, I'm pretty sure the players don't. I found it telling that virtually no players came out and backed him in the run-up or follow-up to his sacking. I think it might have only been Mascherano who expressed any sort of sadness.

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24 Dec 2010 00:50:33
Remember Rafa taking Torres off at Birmingham at 1-1? Gerrard's face?

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24 Dec 2010 00:34:13
Liverpool Rumours
Let's not forget Rafa bought some crap players, yeh he bought some good ones too, but he also drove out Alonso. Rafa also put no stock in the domestic cups. .yes we won the FA cup once. but other than than we came to expect early exits each season. Rafa was only interested in top 4 and champions league. Now. .again. .yes. . they are the most important priorites. .but Man Utd don't seem to mind going to wembley to win the league cup. .a cup we very much made our own. And other than finishing 2nd in the league 2 years ago we were always well off the pace in the league.

I'm not a Rafa knocker at all. .i appreciate his term as manager. .but stop calling for him to come back it shows narrow-mindedness. .we need to go in a new direction, a direction that encourages youth and pace and creative football. .Rafa was too negative to ever give any of the wingers in the club a chance to perform. Rafa always had the fear of what other clubs could do to us, rather than instilling the belief in the team that our opponent should fear what we were capable of!

Cheers for number 5 and the fa cup Rafa, but Liverpool are now heading in a different direction (and I mean up!)

YNWA
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We never played this bad though did we, and atleast he got us in the Champions league!

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24 Dec 2010 00:32:37
Liverpool Rumours
If we got honda roy would probably play him left back or in goal,

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