Liverpool Banter Archive July 24 2017

 

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24 Jul 2017 23:43:32
I'm just wondering, I know we wanted to bring in quality this season, but doesn't it seem like we've put all our eggs into one basket and now that Keita and VVD haven't come through yet. it appears that we have no alternatives!
Oh well we never do it the easy way. let's hope we see a couple more new faces before the start of the season.

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25 Jul 2017 02:59:05
I think these are the only two players we have been linked with that actually improve our first eleven. All the other alternatives are squad players with potential for more (Meyer, Hector Herrera, mammana to name a few) and not slotting in ahead of say Can or Lovren for the first game of the season. So I am actually really comfortable if we miss our targets and instead stay with what we have. Of course I think Robertson and Salah are good signings and fix some problematic areas for us. For me, VVD is more important than keita as we have plenty of cover in his position and considerably less top class defenders.


25 Jul 2017 04:02:30
Well, Salah was not first choice either. You think we went into this transfer window only with alternatives for the Salah position but not for the others? How is that even possible? every club considers multiple options with a whole bunch of players. LFC has chosen to pursue these targets and at the right time Klopp will decide how to proceed next. Maybe he might decide to sign 2 alternatives to Naby and VVD or maybe he may decide if he cannot get them he doesn't need them.


25 Jul 2017 07:36:10
I hate alternative talk. if we had two or three potential targets as we did with wingers fine you can move down your list but if you have your heart set on one or two players if they don't materialize we need to learn to be patient and start the scouting process again. Panic buying for a position has got us in trouble countless times.


25 Jul 2017 08:50:29
Agreed, Shane. If we can't get who we really want, we stick to the plan and focus on either the alternatives or keep your powder dry and focus on putting in a couple of youngsters who can do a job. At least, they will be super motivated to have a go.


25 Jul 2017 11:21:43
Surely we would not be aware of alternative targets until we've moved onto them? When I say 'we' I mean the fans and not the club as I fully expect they have a number of targets in mind if we do not get Keita and VVD.


24 Jul 2017 23:30:49
Hi Eds, with the club seeming intent on bringing in another cm what is the plan for Grujic? Do you think he will go out on loan?

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{Ed002's Note - No, they cannot risk that.}

25 Jul 2017 08:51:31
Work permit issues, Flan. He has to play a considerable amount of games at LFC or he will lose his work permit. A loan is a non-starter.


25 Jul 2017 10:20:15
Thanks for the replies.


24 Jul 2017 23:08:48
I think we should buy Goretzka, if and when Emre Can moves to Juventus. I personally don't believe Can will sign a new deal with us and Goretzka has a contract which is expiring next season just like Can. It would be a perfect like for like replacement/.

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25 Jul 2017 01:11:42
Or not block the development of marko Grujic who is around the same age with similair potential.


25 Jul 2017 08:53:02
Spot on, Dilakh2. Time to focus on those we have here along with the youngsters as afterall, they are the ones who have been thru thick and thin for us and got us to where we are today.


24 Jul 2017 21:35:46
Are Watford still looking to sign markovic and any suitors for sakho or moreno.

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25 Jul 2017 00:02:37
Hull and Watford interested, Β£8m being quoted. Just rumours.


24 Jul 2017 22:04:53
I just wondered even though nothings concrete, if we actually managed to get keita and VVD over the line surely it would mean at least one shocking out going, as in coutinho.

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24 Jul 2017 22:21:19
I don't think it would be a shock to see coutinho go.

It would be gutting. But I think many fans have expected it. Shame as he could be a idol at the club. Hope we get at least one more season out of him.


24 Jul 2017 22:49:28
Expect more.


24 Jul 2017 23:02:18
I think (not itk just opinion) Van Dijk will get pulled kicking and screaming over the line and then we'll see Sakho (Β£30m), Moreno (Β£13m) and Markovic (Β£8m) sold to partially fund the deal. Although I think those asking prices may need to cone down a bit!

After that I hope we're done as long as none of the big guns leave such as Can, Coutinho or Sturridge! I was pretty keen on a striker and a right back but with Arnold and Solanke playing so well in pre-season I'd rather just give them a chance. Maybe another wide player but to be honest, Ojo or Kent could just stay with us instead of going on loan. Really excited for the season to start now.


24 Jul 2017 23:06:13
Oh maybe he's creating a squad to play his pressing game.


24 Jul 2017 23:18:52
why would it?


25 Jul 2017 00:24:10
If vvd and keita sign and Phil stays I'm going full ron and getting the sausage rolls out ready for the celebrations 😎.


25 Jul 2017 06:30:47
Woah steady Willis!

Sausage rolls? That's crazy! πŸ˜ŽπŸ†πŸ†πŸ†.


25 Jul 2017 08:57:05
Keita deal is dead, that's for sure. VVD? We shall see. Our squad seems to be very homogenuous at the moment and that can only bode well for us. Couts is going nowhere at this time IMO as the teams creativity is built around him and his influence has grown in leaps and bounds since Klopp arrived. We all want signings as much as the next guy but sometimes, you just have to go with what you have after trying your best to get those you really want. Let's get the season started, lads! YNWA!


24 Jul 2017 20:47:01
The melwood lean or rafa's hand on shoulder unveiling, what's cheesier?

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24 Jul 2017 21:30:31
Hand on the shoulder for me. There's a picture of Alonso and Garcia, when they first signed, with their hands on Rafas shoulder. Pure cheese haha.


25 Jul 2017 04:21:16
Still better than the fad of having an entire video compiled to announce the signing of a player - what's that about?


25 Jul 2017 04:54:31
I liked the way they announced Salah - different and funny.


24 Jul 2017 20:41:34
Hi eds. Is there any update on how Mane is progressing with his return to fitness?

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{Ed002's Note - Not since the one given earlier today.}

24 Jul 2017 21:17:35
πŸ˜„ patience of a Saint ed002 πŸ˜‡.


24 Jul 2017 21:33:53
Apologies, missed that. I will search.


24 Jul 2017 20:19:37
Hi Ed

Your probably sick of the Keita posts, but do you know if there has actually been a third bid yet? Sly sports are suggesting there has but the echo are only saying it's still under consideration. If the third has been lodged and rejected, it's obviously game over. Thanks mate.

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{Ed002's Note - As I have said I am not aware of one.}

24 Jul 2017 22:18:30
€83m third bid, source is BILD. not sure if that's reliable or not.


24 Jul 2017 23:34:17
Hope not, we need to step away now.

Baz.


24 Jul 2017 23:34:52
Bild is like the sun. They post everything to generate views and are know as a really unreliable source in Germany.


24 Jul 2017 18:59:13
Seems Liverpool have adopted a stance with vvd as we will only bid if saints contact us, which has to be the right one. Yes we want him, and we have acted despicably, so if saints think too much damage has been done, then we should stump up the fee and whatever terms they want. Will go a little way to repairing the damage we have caused. It's a shame as I feel we would have got him if we did things the right way and probably saved money. If saints want to keep him, or would rather negotiate with someone else, fair enough, who can blame them for not wanting to.

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24 Jul 2017 20:00:17
Don't you think you're being a little bit over the top? Despicable? Most of the Liverpool bashing by fellow reds fans seems to be to appease eds002, who literally hates LFC.


{Ed002's Note - No I don't, I have simply explained things that are completely true. I can do it again if you would like? Or are you in denial?}

24 Jul 2017 20:05:42
spot on mate.


24 Jul 2017 20:32:44
I'm not doubting your facts but you speak of LFC and Klopp with extremely barbed tongue and some fans seem to copy it, i'm assuming much to your delight.


{Ed002's Note - I don't really have an opinion on what the fans do and don't do. I am simply explaining what I know to be corrrect. It is not barbed, and I don't like having to explain things over and over. It is very tedious for me. But I have nothing against Liverpool - and I have a whole bunch of chums who are supporters. I also know a few of the players from years ago - obviously not the boneheads who were local to Liverpool that could hardly string a sentence together. I have nothing against any side - it is no more than a game.}

24 Jul 2017 20:48:27
I find it interesting that VvD only wants to go to us. This must surely be because of the contact we have had with him. Most likely we sign him for 60m in a week or two. If we followed the book, maybe we would have been outspent by city, united or Chelsea in a bidding war? Maybe this is the only way we get VvD, even though it steps on some toes.


24 Jul 2017 22:19:54
People are so sensitive nowadays.


24 Jul 2017 22:38:05
It's nothing to so with appeasement. We are a top club, we didn't need to play silly beggars with these teams. We are in the wrong, end of.


24 Jul 2017 21:53:01
I agree it's over the top too. There seems to be a lot of double standards going on in this game, the days of Gerrard and carregher type loyalty is over now. Look at suarez, look at Sterling to name but two. Yes we moan at the time but it happens s to us too. Klopp got caught being directly involved . so what, it's dog eat dog out there and I want our kloppaterrier to be the one who's eating. come on, let's just be ruthless and get vvd. We will all be moaning when so. eone else does and we're leaking goals still next season. I would rather be a hated successfully club than respected for our principles u nsuccsessfull.


24 Jul 2017 22:56:54
Zag, ed002 has nothing against LFC, I think he actually loves liverpool fans more than others if you look at the time he invests in us compared to other pages including the CFC page. The only problem is that he/ she wanted a one night stand with Klopp and he/ she was rejected because Klopp only prefers a she.


25 Jul 2017 03:43:11
Seriously, what's the point in talking about our transfer mistakes all summer. This site is worrying about them more than Liverpool or Southampton by the look of things. If we haven't learned this time then I dunno what to say but move on!


24 Jul 2017 18:46:36
VVD aside what other options at centre back that could slip in seamlessly and steady our back 4? I feel we are half way there with Mario. Food for thought? Ta.

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24 Jul 2017 19:02:58
I know you meant Matip because my phone also auto corrects it to Mario πŸ˜‚

I would honestly be happy to let Gomez and Lovren compete for the other position. I really like Lovren's attitude and determination. You can see he is desperate to succeed at LFC.

If we were to sign a centre back though I'd just like somebody with a bit of a warrior approach. Koulibaly would do me.


24 Jul 2017 22:21:02
Mk scouser, I've only just realised your picture is an owl. Always thought it was like a Texas chainsaw massacre leatherface mask πŸ˜‚.


25 Jul 2017 11:29:58
I agree with MK about Lovren. He is desperate to succeed and honestly I feel he has the quality but for some reason it hasn't full clicked for him yet.


24 Jul 2017 18:18:18
Hi Eds
Quick question to get away from the repetition on here. These inflated prices are crazy but we are seeing a real shift to higher costs for defenders. Do you think this is down to the massive lack of quality seen at many top teams especially in the full back positions therefore demand hugely outweighing supply from a quality defending view?

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{Ed002's Note - It is largely due to the additional income the English sides have and clubs wanting some of it for themselves.}

24 Jul 2017 23:13:51
To be fair VVD has a skill set to price him in the top five defenders in the world. Imo city won't be able to get 50 million pounds worth from Walker or Mendy and I can't imagine either being that huge an improvement on kolarov.


24 Jul 2017 18:20:05
Really starting to worry about the quality of our squad, first 11 are good enough to beat most teams but with the extra games with the champions league can't help feeling that we are making the same mistakes as last time we got champions league, going into the season not prepared instead of building on last year.

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24 Jul 2017 18:45:08
Yeh because it's not like 6 weeks until end of the window. 😴.


24 Jul 2017 19:00:37
only six weeks left but the best players have already been taken or are not for sale, but as long as we have six weeks left everything's ok.


24 Jul 2017 19:17:17
Or are not what Klopp wants.


24 Jul 2017 23:15:09
The best players all moved? Where did Messi and Ronaldo end up?


25 Jul 2017 17:25:12
We have added 3 new players already and its still only July. Our younger players are also a year older, don't worry about it.


24 Jul 2017 18:14:56
I've made my stance on Keita pretty clear up to now. Good player, inflated price tag, not a position I'd prioritise. I've tried to refrain from getting too involved in the discussion though.

However after today I can categorically say I do not want that piece of scum anywhere near our club. For anybody still laughing about this situation, go and watch the video. Disgusting behaviour. The most petulant thing I've seen since Suarez was at the club. I'm appalled and would be utterly embarrassed to have a player like that in a Liverpool shirt. To deliberately scythe down your own team mate in a childish act of retaliation! You'd get sacked in any other industry for gross misconduct and possibly even prosecuted for assault.

Even if he signs I will refuse to support him. I'd genuinely rather play with 10 men than have another appalling role model at the club I love. I have a young son who I want to bring into our Liverpool family, but if Liverpool are happy to make people like that his future role models? I am lost for words on that matter but I don't think I can encourage my child to idolise him.

If Liverpool's behaviour has led to this happening, it is absolutely deplorable. The fact that some people are pleased about this because it might increase our chances of signing him is quite simply embarrassing. If you think this post is an over reaction then you clearly don't understand the scale of this action. Keita has just made it okay to ASSAULT a work colleague in an act of revenge, and potentially in an attempt to get what you want. It is a sad day if this is now deemed acceptable and sends the complete wrong message to young football fans.

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24 Jul 2017 18:18:54
Give over. Tackle didn't look that bad and that kind of thing happens all the time. Maybe his head is not in the right place and he wasnt completely at the races but he didn't stab anyway so calm down with the waffle.


24 Jul 2017 18:25:13
I couldn't disagree more. It's a tackle, they're playing football, we're not in the office here. He also previous to that had a tackle made on him which wasn't much better. It is simply just something for people to talk about and keep the saga running a little bit longer. I mean just look at the video Leipzig posted themselves of the 'kiss and make up'. Simply PR.


24 Jul 2017 18:27:06
could u post link to video please fella. all i've seen today is on sly sports that he is training alone mate il also try look now.


24 Jul 2017 18:30:00
I've just watched it. Unless I've watched something completely different I've seen worse tackles and to be fair I don't care if he signs or not but I think you're overreacting with your assessment just a tad.


24 Jul 2017 18:31:23
Pipe down MK for gods sake, biggest over reaction post award is all yours! Seriously, football is a mans sport and it happens! How the hell can Liverpool be blamed for this! I give up! Lol.


24 Jul 2017 18:32:02
They have also kissed and made up already. Another video was put out by the club.


24 Jul 2017 18:32:24
Get some sleep MK.


24 Jul 2017 18:34:25
Agreed Ice T, hard tackle a little late, but the weather is atrocious, media all over it just because it's NK. First tackle looked as bad by the other guy on Kieta.
Media love a circus.


24 Jul 2017 18:39:13
Talk about an over reaction, it was simply a late tackle. The video released was cut and edited to look like keita went straight back and did that in retaliation, it wasn't one shot and nobody that wasn't there knows the time between the incidents. If Liverpool were not in for the player and media were not all over it then nothing would have been made over the situation. The fact that people genuinely believe he would go out of his way to injure a team mate because his club are not letting him go to Liverpool is insanity (90% of social media) . I also find it funny how this post didn't mention how the tackle on him was synical and got a reaction of laughter from fellow players and fans or the fact both players made up after and the injury wasn't that bad. Late tackles happen and this is simply taken out of context because of the media pressure and coverage surrounding Keita.


24 Jul 2017 18:41:06
yeah just seen it he definitely left one on him there but id say naughty not malitious.


24 Jul 2017 18:41:38
Mk
Am not saying it's ok to revenge tackle he's team mate but you didn't once Talk about the tackle on kita. This happen all the time behide closed doors it's just made bigger because he's in the news at the minute.


24 Jul 2017 18:46:15
It's not acceptable and I don't need to justify my opinions to people who approve of thuggish behaviour.

LFK II, it should come up if you google it as it is all over social media. Honestly mate, it's shocking. In case you can't find it, Keita is on the receiving end of a hard but fair tackle from a team mate, and then a few minutes later just decides to jump in two footed on the guy who tackled him for revenge after the ball was gone, before walking off in a strop pushing his other team mates who confronted him. The manager had to kill the whole session because of the confrontation it caused. The player he assaulated had to be helped fom the pitch. It's indefensible; although some sections of the Liverpool fan base will try and defend anything! It is not the message these players should be sending to kids.


24 Jul 2017 18:55:20
Okay, got it. It's okay to attack someone as long as they don't get seriously hurt and you say sorry.


24 Jul 2017 18:55:23
I disagree with mk. The tackle on him and the tackle he made were not all that. There are a lot of factors. The captain might have been pissed with all the drama surrounding Keita, but to me Keita wasn't having any of it.
This is the reason, you make unsettled players train alone.


24 Jul 2017 18:56:58
Mk Liverpool target or not, I don't see how that is shocking. It's late yeah, but it's not high, both feet aren't off the ground - it's a yellow card.


24 Jul 2017 19:01:38
Must be two videos mk, he goes across the player late on the ball with leading leg, other leg trailing. Sort of scissor tackle you get when it's wet and slippy. No doubt he wasn't giving up on the ball, and maybe more determined because of the guys earlier challenge on him, but doesn't look malicious and if in no way a two footer. Media trying to whip up a frenzy, apparently it's working.


24 Jul 2017 19:04:08
MK, I have always enjoyed reading your posts, and generally find myself in agreement with you, but I think you are reaching on this one. It was a bad challenge, petulence rearing its ugly head, and clearly also a swipe back after an earlier challenge. But to attribute the characteristics you mentioned and claim you will never support him is foolhardy. I have coached at a high school and college level, and I have seen these types of bust ups before. Silly, yes, reckless, yes, deserving of an apology, yes, character defining as a thug and despicable man, no.


24 Jul 2017 19:09:03
Football is now a tarts game.

Haopens day in day out.


24 Jul 2017 19:09:55
At this point MK either you genuinely haven't watched the video or you need a trip to spec savers. Firm but fair tackle? Keita tricked his way past him and he just kicked his back leg away from under him. in training. And then Keita jumped up and two footed him? What? He went in and both studs were pointing down and it was his knee that hit the other guys knee. It was a late tackle and nothing more, the tackle grujic did on zaha was 10x worse that what keita did.


24 Jul 2017 19:10:34
Seen a lot worse like Adam.
His head had gone but I wouldn't call it an assault.
Wouldn't even call it a hard tackle, more of a semi that πŸ˜πŸ˜‚.


24 Jul 2017 19:11:11
Mk the other player has come out to say it was accidental so chill the beans.


24 Jul 2017 19:12:15
Stop crying about Suarez already.
All I remember was him destroying the mancs every time we played them.


24 Jul 2017 19:12:17
I thought he won the ball.


24 Jul 2017 19:13:46
Fencey I can appreciate that the severity of the tackle is subjective and therefore opinions will differ on the actual tackle. But surely that is not the point? The point is Keita went in on somebody for revenge. So let's say next season we are just preparing for the CL final, and Coutinho trips Keita in training, so for revenge he goes in and leaves one on Coutinho injuring him so he misses the final?

I accept that training ground injuries and bust ups can happen. For me though, you don't intentionally sign players who have this kind of attitude. It is bad enough having disruptive clowns like Sakho and Balotelli, but a player who lashes out in frustration or whatever excuse people want to make, is surely not a toxin we want in the squad?

I'm all for things like banter or a bit of a solid tackle. A deliberate foul though is if nothing else, careless. Even if he didn't mean to be so forceful, what if he'd done the guys ACL and put him out for 12 months? Training is a big enough injury risk without players intentionally going for other players legs.

Thank you for actually debating the point and not making it about me though Fencey. I still don't understand why we'd actively look to add a potential disruptive influence to our squad though.


24 Jul 2017 19:16:21
What a spectacular overreaction this is. Really wasn't that bad.


24 Jul 2017 19:18:17
I can accept that as a fair counter argument Adz28. Perhaps my character assassination is a bit harsh when you view it like that. Would you pay €80m for a petulant player though whose emotional instability could've injured a team mate?


24 Jul 2017 19:18:22
. played the ball first.

Honestly, I don't see much in it. Bit OTT, but so was the first challenge.

My theory. both players look really short. Explosion of short-man syndrome by 2 different manlets, who will now be laughing about it.

If Keita signs (unlikely), and he scores during a game i'm watching with my daughter, i'll allow her to cheer.


24 Jul 2017 19:27:06
MK I'm sorry but you really are over reacting, based on that opinion I assume you stopped supporting any Liverpool player who ever reacted to a bad tackle with one of their own? It's football, things get heated. Let me guess, you are one of those dads that believes in not winning and it's the taking part, no winners places as it won't teach the children the right things! All what's wrong in this country if you ask me, got to teach kids to win and lose. you need to grow a pair mate! Contact sport? We could start touch football. that would please you I'm sure lol.


24 Jul 2017 19:34:58
Well that escalated quickly

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24 Jul 2017 19:40:55
I just watched the tackle and to be honest it is nowhere near as bad as I was expecting, he was stretching for the ball.
I don't think that we will get him anyway.

I am expecting another poor window to be honest, just hope the players we have now can cope with the season and CL.

I also hope the PC stays but if he decides to join Barcelona I don't think it will be the end of the world, players come and go and I think we have enough quality for someone else to step up.


24 Jul 2017 19:42:21
MK, did you stop supporting Gerrard when he nailed George Boateng? Or does it only count when they are team mates? It's a contact sport, calm down with all this stuff.


24 Jul 2017 19:53:54
I find myself in agreement with most your posts MK as well, but I thought that was a pretty harsh summary of events.

I think all of it isn't helped at all by A) being egged on by the press and blown MASSIVELY out of proportion and B) some of the stupid responses of clowns saying they love it and that its great behaviour i. e 'exactly what we need at the club. a bit of steel! ', etc etc.

The guy is clearly a bit cheesed off because I think he really wants to come to this club, maybe feels that he's been a bit hard done by and is acting out of character because he's frustrated by recent events. Nothing more in it for me.

Comparing him to Suarez is a huge overreaction.


24 Jul 2017 20:10:55
MK obviously hasn't seen souness or Tommy smith in their hat days hahaπŸ˜‰.


24 Jul 2017 20:41:50
Calm down pet.


24 Jul 2017 21:15:47
What an overreaction, We are talking about a tackle in a game of football. These things happen regularly, often read of ex pros talking about training ground bust ups.
I accept that you can't condone it, nor do I MK, but really to say you would not support him in a Liverpool tackle is borderline pathetic.

I enjoy reading your opinions MK, usually agree but have to say this is a ridiculous overreaction.

Alles gute.


24 Jul 2017 22:01:04
Calm down princess πŸ‘Έ if he signs and bangs in a 90th minute winner at Old Trafford are you telling me you won't celebrate because it Naby Keita! Take that big twist out of your knickers, take a deep breath, count to 10 and just admit you've acted like a bit of a lady. Got hell of a reaction that one fella πŸ˜‚.


24 Jul 2017 22:25:48
Of course I'd celebrate because it'd be a goal for Liverpool. I'd hope he succeeded because again, he is a Liverpool player. You don't cut your nose off to spite your face. I just don't agree with signing players who behave like this and I certainly wouldn't be buying Keita merchandise or faking for him to be a future captain etc. Publically supporting and quietly wanting him to succeed at Liverpool are different though. Never understood that analogy.

Bit of fire on the pitch is fine. I just think Keita has been a bit out of order here and I hope we don't sign him. You can put in a hard tackle without going for someone's legs. I don't condone any player doing it but it is just disrespectful to target your team mate especially and in this case, his captain.

I can see the majority are supportive or at least willing to turn a blind eye to this behaviour so I'll move on but my opinion is unchanged. I was possibly too harsh in my choice of words, but I still think what he did is wrong and not something we should want at LFC. I'll agree to disagree anyway!


24 Jul 2017 23:26:58
Not really cool to hurt your teammates. but last time I played I tripped my best friend from behind and while he reacted pretty strongly we laughed it off later. It's the heat of the moment no matter if it's just for fun and you have to say you're sorry respectfully and hope he's not too hurt/ angry come tomorrow. But a quarter billion people are following him now so it's blown out of proportion.


25 Jul 2017 03:51:04
Mk I agree. We should get Joey Barton in instead. Good presence in the squad.


25 Jul 2017 04:06:45
MK I've seen Gerrard ( as well as many other Liverpool players) do far worse than that! did you want them all to leave the club and refuse to support them? . it happens and he apologised i've seen gerrard deliberately stamp on opponents ( Herrara) ) nobody was burning an effigy of gerrard after that were they?


25 Jul 2017 05:14:50
If you're looking for role models in football you are looking in the wrong place. You set the example for your kids, not some multi millionaire with a detached sense of what the real world is like.


24 Jul 2017 17:30:13
Keita and Vvd seems unattainable. Are we looking at.

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24 Jul 2017 17:33:52
Other CM options and CB options.


24 Jul 2017 17:47:38
LFC constantly scouts players for all positions.
The eds give us information via posts and Sharkopod.

Worth reading/ listening to them 🀝.


24 Jul 2017 17:50:17
Grujic and Gomez.


24 Jul 2017 17:57:20
As per sharkpod, very few that we were looking at are still available.
Is OX still an option.


24 Jul 2017 18:57:04
Where is sharkopod available bro?


{Ed002's Note - You can search for it.}

24 Jul 2017 17:28:54
Because LFC can't tackle the issue of signing him, Keita has decided to do the tackling himself lol.

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24 Jul 2017 17:23:35
Ok I'm just going to throw this out there. By us not not getting NO on board would that not work in Grujuc favour?

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24 Jul 2017 17:51:27
Aslong as he's fit I'm sure he'll get games in our cup runs.


24 Jul 2017 18:36:21
Totally Barry, really hoping this is a breakout season for Marko.


24 Jul 2017 16:56:38
Eds, can we please have a new section for novellas, novels and unending sagas? It's badly needed now. Thank you for considering it. ;-)

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24 Jul 2017 16:33:25
Evening Eds
When is our next preseason game and against who, will mane be fit for the start of the league away to Watford.
Cheers
NOTSOZIPPY.

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{Ed002's Note - I would try the fixtures list on the club website. Mane will be fit but may not be ready.}

24 Jul 2017 16:37:50
Hertha Berlin this coming Saturday, mate.


24 Jul 2017 17:48:18
On ITV4 πŸ‘.


24 Jul 2017 18:24:11
Ta Ron much appreciated mate.


24 Jul 2017 19:33:55
I've just searched for it and can't find it. I was sure it's on. I might be getting mixed up mate. Sorry πŸ€₯.


24 Jul 2017 19:35:57
It's the Audi cup on ITV 4 next week Tuesday/ weds.

Sorry mate, my mistake 🀐.


24 Jul 2017 21:34:02
Lfctv showing all friendlies.


24 Jul 2017 16:15:16
Hi Ed002. Thanx for all the great work.
What do you think could be the ramifications of Neymar's tranfer to PSG on the transfer market and football business in general cuz the number being said is an astronomical amount? Also how would PSG comply with the FFP when the said number is a little less than half their revenue?

Thanx! Also love Ed001 and his articles. And Ed025 with his banter!

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{Ed002's Note - If it were to go ahead it would not impact the other over inflated prices. It would howver be the first time an exemption has been used in respect of a player. It has been addressed on the European pages but it goes back to a number of questions that were asked of representatives of UEFA in December 2014 regarding the transfer of the financially very high-end players and the impact on FFP. It is clear that exceptions would need to be put in place as the alternative could be lawsuits from players regarding restrictions on trade. As such, it would not be an FFP issue in any one year for a number of clubs but it would be an issue for any club looking to do any other business over forthcoming years. And the amounts of money involved are well beyond significant.}

24 Jul 2017 18:11:38
Just out of curiousity, if exceptions are not put in place, would the lawsuits be against UEFA? And do you think a bubble is being created and the football market might come crashing down leading to huge losses to clubs in the future cuz the valuations of the clubs being thrown around are over-inflated to a big extent and the broadcasting money will definitely come down in the future?


{Ed002's Note - What lawsuits? The significant change will come with a breakaway league.}

24 Jul 2017 18:16:23
Lawsuits u mentioned in the reply by the players regarding restrictions on trade.


{Ed002's Note - Well they won't let it get that far hence the discussions several clubs had with UEFA.}

24 Jul 2017 16:13:44
So we as Liverpool fans seem to be quite a divided bunch at the moment.

Some of our fans think we are perfectly justified to pursue footballers for our own gain regardless of the destruction left in our wake. We deserve the best available, we have the money this season, we have the prestigious manager and the chance of champions league qualification. This could indeed be our last chance to make a breakthrough back into Europe’s elite and if we fail this time, who knows when our next run in the champions league will be?

So I partly agree, take whatever we can to get us where we need to be. It shows ambition, it shows strength, but somewhere in this flurry of β€˜snatch and grab tactics’ we are starting to tarnish our label of "a family club" and the wonderful history laid down by previous owners, managers and legends that took a long time to establish.

Ed002 has highlighted on several occasions that certain (as he quite correctly put it) "Cretinous fans" are supporting the actions of a pretty poorly steered ship these days. Whether it be from certain individuals at the club or as a collective decision, tapping up players, ruining their relationship with their current club and leaving families struggling in debt doesn’t seem like 'the Liverpool way' to me. I was quite horrified to read about the alleged conversation between Inglethorpe, Marshall and the boys brother and all the promises they made that were snatched away when they realized they weren’t actually allowed to do any of what they were suggesting.

Klopp is probably my favourite manager, I wasn’t around during the Shankly times but I’m pretty sure Klopp would still be a close second for me. However even he has been guilty of some of these horrendous dealings of late. I for one do not support these actions and I don’t believe Klopp is untouchable as a manager quite yet, I’m not going to start waving 'Klopp out' banners any time soon but this kind of stuff has to stop immediately.

VVD is refusing to train with his club, and reports today have come out saying that Keita is causing trouble in training too. Although we can’t be held completely accountable for the actions of individual footballers, our club didn’t exactly help matters with the way we approached these two players. This is all speculation from newspapers so far so there isn’t a lot of validity to these rumors but it’s not the type of thing you want associated with your club ever.

This is just my opinion on the matter but I’m sure you will all remember a certain Uruguayan player that bit 2 people and racially abused another whilst still a player at our club, seemingly to engineer a move to Barcelona. Congratulations to him, he got what he wanted and it seems a little suspicious that he has behaved himself now he is there. It’s probably one of the most embarrassing times I can remember as a supporter of LFC and it wasn’t nice being on the receiving end of that type of behaviour.

It’s not just as easy as walking away from these two players now as both seem to have become unsettled, which is exactly what LFC were trying to accomplish presumably, and now the only option in my opinion is to just get on with the deals, pay what is being asked for if the clubs can't repair the damage caused and put it behind us as a club. It’s a dirty move but it’s obviously worked to a degree and we will just have to live with the guilt of what they chose to do as time goes on (if there was any guilt felt over this in the first place) .

We had a good relationship with Southampton, we bought Clyne, Lallana, Mane, Lovren and Lambert from them in the last few years, 4 of which are still first team players. Why would you ruin all that work to sign 1 more pretty overpriced CB, he will improve our starting XI sure, but let’s be real for a second, he isn’t worth the figures being thrown about (which has gone up by another Β£10mil according to the β€˜ever reliable’ media reports) . Mendy (another of our targets) went to City today for a lot less than is being suggested for VVD, they are both pretty similar in ability and potential for their respective positions. The only reason one costs more than the other is because Southampton never wanted to sell him in the first place.

You are better than this LFC, get it together, start playing by the rules again and move onto what could be a brilliant season for us.

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24 Jul 2017 18:18:19
Noshbag. best user name on here by a country mile. BRAVO πŸ‘.


24 Jul 2017 18:20:16
Good read Mr noshbag. I agree.


24 Jul 2017 18:53:31
If you are putting klopp second to shanks you really need to read up on club history, he would struggle to to get in my top ten, not a dig a klopp I like him but I was around when shankley was here.


24 Jul 2017 15:40:33
Conspiracy for you boys,

Keita is moving to Liverpool, the 'bust up' story is leaked from RBL to show they don’t want his disruptive behaviour around the camp, making it slightly easier to swallow for the fans. They will reluctantly accept our offer and everyone’s happy (ish) .

;)

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24 Jul 2017 16:01:11
I take it you remembered where you put your tin foil hat for this one lol.


24 Jul 2017 16:07:51
Wasn't there a smokescreen somewhere involved too?


24 Jul 2017 16:08:25
Just watched the whole thing as to the build up to the end, Keita was on the receiving end of a harsh tackle and when he had the opportunity he retaliated with a ridiculous challenge, NOT WHAT THE CLUB NEEDS because if a player is willing to do that to a team mate in training that says a lot about his mentality immediately. It was a few mins later he realised the error of his ways.

My opinion is leave it where it is and move along quickly.


24 Jul 2017 16:10:54
I nearly punched my boss today, does that mean I can join too?


24 Jul 2017 16:43:15
I was tempted to punch me bird to allow me to move on bigger, richer, more accommodating woman.

Same comparisons to Liverpool really.


24 Jul 2017 17:03:04
DaveyBootlelovesyerma I heard you're punching already.


24 Jul 2017 18:00:29
Who hasn't gone into a ft of rage on a Monday?


24 Jul 2017 15:26:10
For all this VvD and NK soap opera, I can almost confidently predict they will be lining up for LFC next season for no reason other than the shear exhaustion of running with the current narrative - you really couldn't script this stuff if you tried.

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24 Jul 2017 14:59:52
3 thoughts from a longtime observer of this site.

1. Though the thought of signing players like Keita and VVD is as exciting for me as anyone else, I have big concerns about signing players that would be willing to go on strike to force a move. Signing such players would provide instant gratification, but would fill the squad with players who are unprofessional and not dependable. Who is to say they won't do it again once Barcelona or Madrid come calling? I would actually be a little proud of RBL if they stick to their guns and don't sell. It would provide a little glimmer of hope that teams can still be built around good players and that money does not get the final say. If it does, then LFC is in a bad position as far as trying to break into the upper echelons of the world teams. RBL hanging on to their best player would be a short term loss for LFC, but a long term gain for the sport, and thus a long term gain for LFC. Let's keep some perspective.

2. It's a little concerning with Klopp saying that his Dortmund story is no longer possible. It tells me that he is feeling the pressure and already making excuses for future failures. This does not give me confidence that Klopp actually has the vision and confidence to build a good team. The ridiculous transfer behavior by the club of late only confirms this. Last year Klopp would have laughed at spending 70 mil on one player (remember his comments on Pogba) .

3. On a positive note, LFC has been around a long time and will be around for a long time still. We have a good squad that is not the best, but it is still good and should provide some good entertainment this season. More than that, we have a long history that is bigger than this moment, bigger than these players, and bigger than Klopp. In 10 years, there likely won't be any of the same faces left. I'm frustrated by the desperation of the club of late that I see to be clouding good judgment. However, I can't wait for the season to start, and I won't let momentary craziness detract from my love for the club and the game. I hope Klopp and the boys put together a great season. However, if not, we can always just wait these jokers out until the next round of craziness comes around.

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24 Jul 2017 15:30:13
I applaud your comments, but you also make it sound like doom and gloom. The window hasn't shut yet, we have all the chances to improve the squad. Enjoy the summer YNWA.


24 Jul 2017 18:11:37
Wasn't me I'm afraid.


24 Jul 2017 14:44:23
Managed to get tickets to the Arsenal game second week of the season!

Excited doesn't come close - massively looking forward to the new season. Hopefully a few others on here have managed to get tickets too to what should be another great game against the gunners

Hoping for another 4-3 thriller! πŸ‘πŸΌ.

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24 Jul 2017 15:41:56
Managed to get 7 tickets so far on my membership! Can't wait for the season to start! My starting line up if we get our targets. Migs, TAA, VVD, Matip, Robertson, Hendo, Couts, Keita, Salah, Firmino, Mane.


24 Jul 2017 15:46:25
Enjoy the game but for me I would prefer 4-0 to us with VVD keeping Arsenal at bay.


24 Jul 2017 18:12:10
7 tickets! I couldn't get a single flipping ticket. Absolutely gutted 😒.


24 Jul 2017 13:47:07
HI Eds

Not wanting to open a can of worms but all this talk of liverpool targets who were wrongly tapped up (no denying it) are looking likely to put in transfer requests - my question is, can a club refuse a transfer request and hold the player to their contract? Or is there any law that states they have to release the player if a transfer request is put in? I just understand the point in them if there is no law to state that if one is put in the club have to adhere to it if a decent offer comes in?

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{Ed002's Note - No, they can simply reject it.}

24 Jul 2017 13:53:57
ok thanks ed2 can i ask what is the point in the transfer request if it can be rejected? is it just to make the public aware the player wants to leave?


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the public, it is simply a player saying I am pissed off and I want to leave.}

24 Jul 2017 14:09:39
If it was FIFA, the board would get sick of the moaning and sell the player behind the managers back for half his value. let’s hope that happens *rolls eyes*.


24 Jul 2017 14:20:07
Cool thanks ed2!


24 Jul 2017 14:42:58
Also the player forfeits any contractual loyalty payments as far as I'm aware.


{Ed002's Note - Not quite, they lose the 5% payment from the transfer fee that they would otherwise get. Loyalty payments are made within the provisions of the contract and vary on a case-by-case basis Ron.}

24 Jul 2017 15:33:51
Thanks ed002 πŸ‘.


24 Jul 2017 15:35:46
question 002,is it possible (not in relation to any player) that the amount could be anything other than 5%? just wondering.


{Ed002's Note - No.}

24 Jul 2017 16:09:31
Ed2, I keep seeing you and Ed1 mentioning this 5% of the transfer fee. Please excuse my ignorance, but is this 5% mandated by FIFA, the FA or just a standard clause/ provision in modern-day footballing contracts?

Cheers and thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - It is in the FIFA regulations.}

24 Jul 2017 18:11:24
ah fifa regulation, thanks 002.


24 Jul 2017 13:25:18
Just read the report about RB leipzig having ended today's training session following Keita retaliating to an earlier tackle and making a tackle on the same player injuring him quite badly. Obviously bad feelings running high in their camp.

Ed's is this just a fallout with a fellow player or down to Liverpool's pursuit and Keita possibly wanting to leave RB. Has it actually caused so much impact and disruption within their team.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea as I wasn't there.}

24 Jul 2017 13:38:48
I think people make too much out of incidents like this, happens a lot in training and always goes unreported, its just because it is the transfer window that it goes out of proportion, seriously do any of us think a player would intentionally hurt a team mate to get a move?


24 Jul 2017 13:43:58
I thought you were omniscient Ed002?


{Ed002's Note - Omnipotent actually.}

24 Jul 2017 13:55:08
Treatment is available but not sure of length of waiting lists though Ed002 should go to the head of any queue in any event.


24 Jul 2017 14:09:07
With regards this non-story, the chances are this is just a guy putting in a bad tackle in training, happens every day it's only being reported because of all the media interest.

However, if there is any possibility at all that Keita is attempting to injure players to try and force a move then I don't want him anywhere near Liverpool thank you very much.

However, this total conjecture and all rather pointless.


24 Jul 2017 14:12:32
Oops didn’t see someone posted it before me, eds don’t worry about posting mine i’ll just write what I said in here


It can be either one of these.
A) He is genuinely p! ssed off with not being allowed to leave and genuinely really wants to come to us
B) He fell out with the player he took out
C) he slipped and did damage by accident and the press are having a field day adding fuel to a dying fire.
Unless somebody caught it on camera, we will never know lol.


24 Jul 2017 14:44:19
He can't want to leave or he would put in a transfer request.
Nothing to see here πŸ‘.


24 Jul 2017 13:18:24
The whispers from high above remain still confident of the VVD and keita signings before the window closes.

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24 Jul 2017 14:14:15
If you wear a tinfoil hat, those voices from high above will stop.


24 Jul 2017 13:11:40
Reports breaking that Keita has been involved in a training ground bust up and it ended with a nasty challenge on a team mate.

Coach cancelled the training sessions.

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{Ed002's Note - The plan is coming together then. I am sure Liverpool and Klopp are very proud of their actions.}

24 Jul 2017 13:32:52
The lads done a bad tackle in training and the press has blown it out of all proportion, can't blame the club or Klopp for that.


24 Jul 2017 13:58:38
I suspect a little sarcasm from Ed there! You honestly can't be trying to blame LFC and klopp here Eds? Really?


24 Jul 2017 14:11:44
How on earth a bad tackle in training has anything to do with Klopp and Liverpool in beyond me. Conspiracy pages?


24 Jul 2017 14:42:01
My missus has just got a parking ticket! Ed who at Liverpool fc do I take this up with? Klopp? Mr Henry? The kit man? Brenda from melwood canteen? One of these must be able to shoulder the blame somehow πŸ˜‰.


24 Jul 2017 14:44:57
Netted a few there ed😎.


25 Jul 2017 06:23:24
Voronins Left Foot, this isn't the conspiracy pages?


24 Jul 2017 13:03:16
Hi Eds,

Can anyone explain what has happened to FFP please? Does it actually exist?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, what is your concern?}

24 Jul 2017 13:34:13
I honk he might be wondering why Man City are allowed to be spending Β£200m this window without selling a single player, am I right in saying FFP in done over 3 years and a club needs to be with in -Β£30m profit after the 3 year period? Giving City time to earn this money back?


{Ed002's Note - I can think off the top of my head of five players they have sold and others are to be sold. I suspect you want to drop thoughts about how FFP works and what it relates to - it is not just transfers.}

24 Jul 2017 13:57:57
Hey Ed02,

Yeah, pretty much what the poster above said. Was wondering why teams like Man City are spending money like water and hardly recouping anything like that? I think Pep has blasted about 400 mil over the last 2 summers.

I don't know the ins and outs of the legislation, but hardly seems like 'Fair Play' to me. I don't know. I know you've posted some stuff on it before, but hardly ever hear it in the mdeia these days so thought the silence was an indicator that there's loopholes around it.

Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - They are currently in compliance with FFP. I suspect you think it simply relates to transfer fees or siomething like that?

24 Jul 2017 14:23:47
Doesn't literally any income (except put in by the owners themself) "balance" it out regarding ffp?
So sponsors, TV licence, ad revenue, marketing, competition (cups/ leagues) rewards, Match Day Tickets and every other form on club related income - Not just selling players? And it’s based over 3 years anyway isn’t it?
So spend big for 2 years then let the books balance out xD.


{Ed002's Note - It is a rolling three years and you need to remember players are not always paid for in one go.}

24 Jul 2017 14:45:41
Hi ed002, my knowledge of fair play is very limited, but what is to stop a rich owner paying say Β£200m to have his picture (or company name etc) to go up at a foreign rich clubs ground somewhere only for them to return the favour? Both clubs would be Β£200m up with the money going through the books etc so complying with fair play. I know this is probably very illegal but there must be lots of gray areas that clubs do exploit.


{Ed002's Note - No, that is not allowed and would be stamped on right away.

Manchester City (a) have a larger income than most, and (b) whilst working within the rules are making use of some pretty extreme sponsorship that comes via their owner's business interests. So the figures are skewed.

This is seen as an issue by UEFA and the reason there have been efforts over the past three years or so to agree a sponsorship cap. UEFA are happy for those European clubs that meet (now twice a year) to come up with a proposal, but so far they have failed to agree a figure. UEFA are aware that taking the matter to the European Club Association will not help them. Eventually they will come up with a cap themselves and that will be it. A similar issue is being discussed about capping TV and media income for FFP. With a UEFA senior official moved on it might be easier to push something through as the resistance was related to the three clubs that would be most impacted by a change include Manchester City and two clubs that play in the French league.

Effectively the cap would say something like, "regardless of the amount of sponsorship a club obtains, only the forst €115M will be allowable for the purposes of the FFP calculation". The same could be done with the media income - obviously that would hit the English sides and a few others only. It is contraversial nut there is a swell of effort from other sides to make it happen. One side who were leading the push pulled out of the group of "elite" sides earlier this year so it will take others to pick up the ball on that one. There is a meetingon August 24 and these issues will likely be touched on.}

24 Jul 2017 15:37:01
Many thanks for you in depth reply ed002.


25 Jul 2017 14:10:04
"A similar issue is being discussed about capping TV and media income for FFP. "

This. This is something that seriously needs to be addressed. English clubs are massively influencing the market and inflation because of the amount of money they get from domestic and oversees TV and media income.


{Ed002's Note - It won't change the income, only the amount that can be taken in to account for FFP, but you are right it is distorted.}

24 Jul 2017 11:56:02
ED001. I was wondering if you would be willing to write up you opinion of Klopp, out progress, our structure as a club and what you would like to see us do going forward. I haven't seen much from you recently and I am tired of reading the same transfer crap over and over.

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{Ed001's Note - I have added it to my to do list mate, but it will be a while before I get the time to do anything about it sorry.}

24 Jul 2017 12:04:22
Morning eds. Do you see us turning our attention to the ox now? I feel he would have a better chance at Liverpool rather than chelsea. I think the fact the league champs are looking at him speaks for itself. The lad is underrated here. Would be a great option to have. Scores goals and makes them.

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{Ed002's Note - As I have said before I am not sure how Liverpool would look to use him.}

24 Jul 2017 13:02:53
I agree with ed I wasn't keen on lfc going. For the ox. no place for him. i would take Giroud of there hands thou.


24 Jul 2017 13:42:30
I agree with Ed, he has no place in our starting 11 and given that his issue is about being a regular starter, it would be pointless coming here as he isn't better than any of our starting 11 in their respective positions.


24 Jul 2017 11:50:43
so there has been no 3rd bid for keita yet as sky said last night now they are saying 2 bids turned down so nothing changed all weekend so we will have to wait to see if a 3rd bid does go in.

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24 Jul 2017 12:20:30
Sly sports! I don't believe anything that they say! I only believe the Eds and Macca!


24 Jul 2017 11:18:55
So if we end up with VVD, do you think we'll need to lose a CB?

I know Sakho will leave but perhaps VVD, Matip, Lovren, Klavan, Gomez is too much?

I'd like to see Gomez play more this season and not sure whether Klavan will be happy to be 5th choice and not even make the bench most weeks.

Think Lovren will have some issues being behind Matip and VVD also.

Hope Klopp manages to keep everyone happy!

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24 Jul 2017 11:34:46
An EPL squad is made up of up to 25 players. Only 11 are allowed on the pitch at the same, in a game. Therefore, it is impossible to keep everyone happy. ;-)


24 Jul 2017 12:00:53
If VVD comes in, one of the CB's apart from Sahko, needs to go. It's that simple.


24 Jul 2017 12:45:22
Hardly.
You can guarantee that one CB at least will pick up an injury so then you are down to 4,
Matip and VVD first choice and Lovren/ Gomez and klavan as back up.
Should we stick with 4 and someone get long term injured, we'd have 3 senior CBS for potentially 60 games and while I understand the players should be able to handle that, it would be playing with fire.


24 Jul 2017 11:13:10
I for one, as im sure are the Eds, tired of reading the same questions, bull team setups and digs at our owners over and over.
My opinion.
I think it would be awesome if we just had a summer transfer window. Tedms might put more thought into buys instead of entering the season with the security " if it doesn't work out we can reinforce in jan". Teams might also develop there youth more without lluxury of bying who the want mid season.
Also. i think it miggt level the playing field for everyone and create a more open title chase. No longer will a big teams injured player mean he can be replaced by buying "x" player from a weeker team who is having a cracker season. but noone looked twice at previously.
I feel entering the league knowing you have to do it with what you have might open up the chances of winning the league for more teams. create decelopment within. dnd also force tge coaches to actually coach instead of buying the league.

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{Ed001's Note - or it will more likely create a bigger stockpile of players as teams don't want to risk having to play a youngster for 9 months of the season. Better to have the transfer window open longer, not for less. Then people can take a risk, knowing that if the kid they have brought in to cover for injuries struggles then they can go out and buy. Haven't we already seen that limiting transfers just means bigger clubs stockpile players? More limits will just increase the stockpile.}

24 Jul 2017 11:28:41
How about limiting the amount of players a team can loan out. Most are in agreement youngsters need 1st team exposure to improve, and the biggest problem i see is the amount of youngsters the big boys swallow up and simply send them out on loan, with most never likely to actually play for their parent club before being released or sold.


24 Jul 2017 13:46:26
Personally I'd do away with transfer windows and have it open 365 days of the year.

The current system encourages you to build a squad to get through the season. The issue with that is you then have 25 senior players 'stockpiled' as Ed put it, making a mountain for the youth players to climb.

The money in football is so mad now that teams literally cannot afford to risk not having at least 2 senior players for each position because if they trusted a youth player to cover an injury and it went wrong, they'd have to wait months to sign cover. Therefore they just refrain from putting trust in kids and don't leave any gaps for them to fill.

If you had a 365 day window, teams could afford to put a little bit of faith in their youth players with the confidence that if it doesn't work out they are not stuck between a rock and a hard place and can make an emergency signing at any point.

That is my two pence worth anyway!


24 Jul 2017 09:55:13
VVD not included in squad tour to France!

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24 Jul 2017 10:00:28
That was always going to happen. Not training with the squad.


24 Jul 2017 10:19:22
We either need to bite the bullet and bid for him or walk away. The damage has been done so waiting a few weeks is only going to upset Saints further as they will have an unhappy player for longer and less time to utilise their money.


24 Jul 2017 11:22:48
We have left the ball in Southamptons court it seems.

If they come to us to discuss a deal we will bid if not we wont. They have said they are not for sale it is wether Southampton want to try and push for the 60/ 70 million they could get for him this year or if they are happy to get reduced fee from another team next transfer window or possibly even this.


24 Jul 2017 11:36:49
Most clubs know if a player is willing to join them or not before they bid. Tapping up, maybe. Shouldn't be done, (not condoning), but we didn't try to screw over Southampton, offering them a world record bid (by a distance) for a defender. They thought of a bidding war, which hasn't happened (rumours of others considerg offers of Β£45m etc. Time to get together, one more apology and get the deal done. (60M still a world record, even after Kyle Walker) . Just do it.


{Ed001's Note - Saints did not think about a bidding war at all, why lie to deflect from Liverpool's failing? Southampton simply do not want to sell, unless they get the money they feel would make it worth their while to sell.}

24 Jul 2017 12:01:27
Do we know what they feel would make it worth their while to sell? And do we know how far away we are from the valuation? Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - Right now they have told the two interested sides that he is not for sale. I think that will likely change at some point during the window as, in my view. his position is untenable.}

24 Jul 2017 12:02:45
Lie? Never suggested LFC didn't do wrong. Just not more than others usually. If it was a more serious indiscretion FA would not drop simply for an apology. I agree they should follow regulations but do feel some seem to enjoy vilifying more than necessary. Slap on wrist, don't do it again, move on.


{Ed002's Note - They have done way worse than others and it is far from the norm. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the FA and I suspect you don't grasp the seriousness of these matters - which you should do given the club are already serving one ban.}

24 Jul 2017 12:03:59
Spot on, Jayden. We own this mess and that is a fact. And we did not "maybe" tap VVD up. We DID tap him up, Manalah. The deflection is embarrassing.


24 Jul 2017 13:06:42
Also, if we had done things properly, the chances are we would have agreed a deal with Southampton now and he'd be closer to being a Liverpool player. Same with Sessegnon if we hadn't messed about the Dempsey signing. Not to mention any kids we could have signed for the academy this window that we've now missed out on. Pretty sloppy by us.


24 Jul 2017 13:24:24
Not deflecting at all, B Scouse, I agree rules should be followed. I just don't see them as relevant as others. I don't work in football, if I did maybe I'd see it differently. Any other business it's called headhunting. Never understood why it's so sacrosanct in the football world. Also though, with us already serving a youth ban ( I'm fully aware of) if this had been as serious an infringement as some suggest the FA would hammer us, not just accept an apology as ok. Not wanting to start an arguement but this is simply my stance on the situation. Apologies to any who feel differently. Peace ✌️.


{Ed002's Note - Why do you keep talking about tHE FA - IT IS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE FA. THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED, NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE. THEY HAVE ACCEPTED NOTHING - AS IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

Dumb as a box of rocks.}

24 Jul 2017 13:51:15
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ Sorry ed2 if I haven't split the hair correctly, Southampton reported LFC for an illegal approach, LFC withdrew offer and apologise. No further action. If not FA, then Prem league, UEFA, FIFA, whoever, I'm only going by what has been reported over time. Again apologies if my interpretation has offended you.


{Ed002's Note - Where do you get this "No further action" from?}

24 Jul 2017 15:48:51
Original report on SSN. 7/ 6/ 17 Southampton report LFC to Premier league for alleged illegal approach. Then 27th June widely reported across all media that Premier league/ Fa to take no further action against LFC unless further evidence emerges.


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the FA. I am sure you can find me the Premier League statement that says the matter is closed.}

24 Jul 2017 00:55:46
So i heard some people were complaining about the owners, how they were giving the club a lot of bad press, and how wo should rather get rich chinese or arab owners. But how can we be blaming the owners for not signing Van Dyke and Keita? and for selling our best players like sterling and suarez? This summer we have missed out on Brandt and Sessegnon already, brandt because he just didn't want the move and sessegnon because we ****ed up our relationship with fulham so they don't want to talk to us. Van dyke probably won't come, because a) Southampton DO NOT want or need to sell, so eventhough the owners financialy have completely backed Klopp in his pursuit, (they have given him the possibility to make vvd the most expensive defender EVER) , but southampton can still say no, because he has a contract there. and b) because Klopp (not the owners) was tapping up the player, which is illegal and we could end up with a transfer ban because of it so we won't get to use the chinese money we apparently want. when it comes to keita, the owners have backed klopp here aswell possibly making keita tone of the most expensive players ever aswell, but Keita signed for RedBull last year, they are filthy rich and want to succeed. so why would they sell their best player? they need him as much as we need coutinho. The owners have apparently told klopp that if he does not want to sell coutinho, we will keep him, whatever the size of the bid is. we are really narrow minded if we don't see the similarities between the situation these two players (coutinho and keita) are in. they want to move, but they are happy to stay. And talking about selling players, I do not know how we can blame the owners for selling our best players like suarez and sterling! Suarez was a great player, but talking about bad pr, the boy was always causing problems with his personality on the pitch. and he wanted to leave for ****ing arsenal the season before! no we are better off without him, he could have ruined the clubs reputation forever, but fans don't really notice it because we only see goals. When it comes to sterling he was not as good as he was hyped up to be. no end product and considering we got mane for 30some million and sold sterling for 50 (! ) we basically frauded mancity. talking about mane, people thought we overpayed for him, but guess who payed up, it was the owners. we could talk about how they have not won much since they came, but how bad were we when they came? we were tumbling down the league, they bought the club when ****ing hodgson was manager and we had just bought the likes of Konchesky and Paulsen to drag the team back to old glorydays. let's face it the owners was buying a burning ship in the middle of the atlantic, now we at least see land! we almost won the league a couple of seasons ago, we can get back there, maybe not this season, maybe not he next, but i still feel like the owners are taking us the right way. we have far bigger problems at our club than the owners right now. we ruined not only the career of a young boy, but his dream. his family is in financial trouble and we lied in court about it and tried to fake evidence. on top of that we have the case about tapping up on van dyke and a couple of others, not to forget that klopp also informed the press about the players we were looking to buy so we could maybe take advantage of that. now southampton and red bull are having trouble handling vvd and keita because of us, but we still think it is weird that other clubs don't want to do business with us! if we continue like this we won't be able to buy anyone and to be hones we are lucky if we are even allowed to buy players next summer if we continue. I do love this club and i want us to win something, but i also think that is the goals for the owners. we have build a new stand and a new training ground is planned, so can we really be complaining too much about the owners support?
And we should have a little look at ourselves because we are showin a lot of things under the rug like it was nothing! we accept the racism from suarez, we accepted the idiotic responce with his shirt the next match! we thought the biteincidents and the arsenalflirt was ok because he scored mounds of goals when he came back. All the illiegal approaches are ok, because apparently all the other clubs do it aswell. and the case with the little stoke boy, it got one news story and now no one cares, because we can look away from all the blood on the leaves in the academy. let's all realize that we can support the team we love without accepting all the blatantly stupid things that has been done there for a long time! We should be disgusted by some of the things we have done, and distance ourselves from it! but who is going to protest klopp tapping up vvd or the academy for screwing up the young boys family! i get really annoyed reading all the comments about liverpool at he moment! i hope we do not buy van dyke because of that appology and that we stand by it, and that we respect red bulls desition on keita, the same way i hope barcelona respect our approach to their coutinho interrest. i hav ea good feeling about this season, i am very much looking forward to it! finally seeing some real football instead of reading about all the fake news and shitty excuses.

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24 Jul 2017 09:52:08
I agree with nearly all of this post, only thing I don't agree with was we shouldn't get vvd. Don't get me wrong we have fooked up on this deal but if what we read it to be true then he refusing to play and only wants lfc we should be paying Southampton the max amount to get this sorted, no negotiations if Southampton say Β£70m then that's the price, pay it move on and try learn (yeah as if we will ever do without any transfer ban) no negotiation jus do right by saints and vvd and pay the premium.


24 Jul 2017 10:05:47
If klopp wants vvd then he doesn't trust the players we have got already. So if we don't get vvd surly we need someone else.
Also if we don't get anyone what does this say to the players we have already. Very mixed feeling I guess.


24 Jul 2017 10:28:42
Top post.


24 Jul 2017 10:23:01
Watching us defensively on Saturday against Leicester shows how bad we can be defensively. Yes it was a friendly and on a bad pitch but it was same mistakes and gifting goal scoring opportunities that we have countlessy given away for the last few seasons.


24 Jul 2017 10:46:15
I think Southampton do need to sell now actually, keeping him now would be a mistake.


24 Jul 2017 13:25:19
Read shorter books than that post. Had 2 coffee breaks to break it up.


24 Jul 2017 08:22:18
Ed002, i read arabnews last night where they mentioned a British financier Amanda Staveley negotiating a possible takeover of lfc and spurs in Saudi Arabia. Any info on this Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware that she is looking to broker a deal to sell Liverpool again, but the price given for Spurs is likely too high to attract a buyer. Newcastle and Southampton are other potential offerings - Southampton having second thoughts over the deal with Lander as they have been advised the value is higher than that agreed.}

24 Jul 2017 08:10:53
20 million squids for dembele off Celtic? That's about the first fair price of the summer if I'm honest. Surprised bigger sides than Marseille are not having a look at that price.

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24 Jul 2017 09:30:58
It's a risk as he is playing in a poor standard league, Scott Sinclair is having a field day in that league!
I would say that it's about right.


24 Jul 2017 10:19:06
Sinclair would have made it in EPL too if MC hadn't stopped his development. That many goals even in SPL is impressive at an age were he will get better. If we didn't have Divock and Dom he'd be a good option. Were stacked for potential 🀞.


24 Jul 2017 08:01:14
For me (and this is just an opinion everyone is entitled to one) Liverpool are in danger of this being a disastrous and more embarrassing transfer window than they have ever had. As it stands they have been unable to secure any of their first choice targets (although Salah I think could be a top player for us but it's our own fault we could have had him for 12 mill a few years ago) The owners have already had to apologise once to Saints for tapping up VVD plus Roma and Leipzig were clearly not happy with the way their players were approached. There is also the rumours that the Fa will look into our dealings of younger players further. Kieta looks like a propaganda target just to appease the fans to make them believe that we were in for a big player. We have unsettled VVD illegally and have left ourselves in the same mess as last season as we still have Sakho and no improved new centre half. And to top it all off we are now at risk of losing Coutinho our best player and Can. If Can goes then we are weakened from last season. If Coutinho goes it's a disaster. We will now either buy players just for the sake of it, who won't improve the team or we will go into the season with what we have currently. It was said we could compete for top players when we get CL but the players we have already bought and were in for would have probably still came to us without it.

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24 Jul 2017 08:33:33
While I think most people underestimate the impact Salah will have on our play, and is consequently a fantastic buy, the VVD and Keita situations could have certainly been handled far far better. Maybe it's me, but I get the impression that other teams handle their transfers far more discreetly and with far less of a media circus around them. And I'm sure the teams, whose players we want to buy, don't appreciate this media circus, and consequently put up higher levels of resistance just to lower LFC down a peg or two. Just seems there's a vacuum in leadership and strategy when it comes to transfers. It makes you wonder who is really in charge, when a price is quoted for Coutinho a month ago, and yet now there's loud strong denials of any intent to sell.


24 Jul 2017 08:34:32
Players come and players go. It won't help the team, but it won't be disastrous. Just re-invest the money adequately and keep moving forward.


24 Jul 2017 09:15:11
I dunno mate, remember when we bought Ballotelli?


24 Jul 2017 09:55:52
Haha Mickey, that was also the same year that we qualified for CL football and sold Luis. It's almost like a trend.


24 Jul 2017 10:25:33
@flashthered - buying and selling only works with players who can be adequately replaced. Coutinho is a rare player and would be difficult, perhaps impossible, to replace if we let him go. Sure we could sign other players but there are few out there with the skill set he has. We need to hold onto our best players otherwise we risk becoming to Barcelona what Southampton have been to us - is that really the height of our ambitions?


24 Jul 2017 07:37:13
The only player we need is VVD
We seen how our defence struggled last season and so far in this pre season, we should pay what the saints want and get ready for what would be a fantastic season with a very strong squad, couts ain't going anywhere he has said he wants to be remembered for a lfc legend and he comes across as a man of his word, I do feel the can situation may be a problem as if a team like juve come in can't see him saying no.

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24 Jul 2017 11:20:13
Agreed, VVD AND Matip would be an awesome pairing. Last midfielder needs to make life a bit harder for the opposition as well though.


24 Jul 2017 07:31:11
Morning all,

Just a thought but what if we rejected all of Barca's advances towards Couts and ended up keeping him and Can, but not signing Keita. Would we be worse? No.
Would we be better? Not necessarily, but imagine a whole season with the Can of February to May and a fit Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho and Mane (and no ACON) .

I understand that it's exciting signing new players but there's a difference between signing a winger in Salah (to free Coutinho to play through the middle) or an actual LB than there is adding to an already overcrowded midfield.

We need to accept that whilst NB may well be a fantastic footballer, he's not Messi or Ronaldo.

Sorry for the long post. (ps I accidentally posted half of this before I had finished so apologies if there's half of this floating about.

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24 Jul 2017 07:43:18
Rednick my. Thoughts exactly well put.


24 Jul 2017 08:44:53
Spot on, OP. I would keep Couts and Can if it meant kicking the whole Keita hooplah into the stands. I would rather have those players who've been here thru thick and thin, under Klopp's system esp. Couts who is now our offensive and creative engine, than some player unknown and unproven whose parent club have repeatedly said is not for sale.


24 Jul 2017 08:45:57
If we keep Coutinho and Can, and add the signings of Salah and Robertson, then we are unquestionably a better team. If we add VVD then we are far better. If we had signed Keita, then selling Can would almost have been a necessity.


24 Jul 2017 10:26:24
Completely agree with the original post, we're well stocked in midfield with players who are improving, Keita is a luxury signing and certainly not a necessity.


24 Jul 2017 10:25:06
I don't think the transfers are related. If we pull out of the Kieta deal I don't see Barcelona and Juve then pulling out of theirs because of it. We could end up worst case losing the players and not getting Kieta.


24 Jul 2017 11:23:59
If we'd got NK, I think Can would have gone. Now all eyes on Cans' contract as we definitely need him now. Consistently fit Can/ Hendo midfield is pretty damn good. (And don't forget Marko coming good.


24 Jul 2017 12:03:20
I think we'll be ok even if Can went.
We have Ejaria and Grujic not getting a look-in and Milner can also cover CM.


24 Jul 2017 07:25:47
Morning all,

Just a thought but what if we rejected all of Barca's advances towards Couts and ended up keeping him and Can, but not signing Keita. Would we be worse? No.
Would we be better? Not necessarily, but imagine a whole season with the Can of February to May and a fit Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho and Mane (and no ACON) .

I understand that it's exciting signing new players but there's a difference between signing a winger in Salah (to free Coutinho to pkay up through the middle) or an actual LB.

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24 Jul 2017 06:47:17
Quick Summary From How I see it

Emre Can - I would be surprised if he does not sign a new contract before the new season starts
Philip Coutinho - If there is interest from Barcelona I doubt Liverpool will accept and I doubt Coutinho will force the issue
Naby Keita - This is not going to happen, Liverpool in my opinion have dodged a bullet at this price of 75m +
VVD - I have no idea how this will play out - a complete mess - feel sorry for the Southampton fans
Sakho - No future at Liverpool and I suspect a last day transfer move the likely scenario
The Ox - I believe he will not sign on at Arsenal and leave on a free next summer.

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24 Jul 2017 08:49:26
King Carlos, Spot on. Like you, The VVD situation is a clusterdump. He is no longer interested in playing for the Saints and no longer interested in playing for another team but LFC. As flattering as that may be, we have turned this kid into damaged goods and we are responsible for the limbo he is now in.

The Daily Fail has said that we are awaiting permission from Saints to re-bid for him again. Don't know if that is true but I think we should just sign him so we can end his limbo cos we were indeed, interested in signing him. Had we had no interest in him, we would never have tapped him up.


24 Jul 2017 00:42:05
Sorry didn't finish my post, Mascherano or a Makelele type of player would suit us better and we could attack with our excellent forward line and have the security of a holding midfielder to keep us tight at the back.

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24 Jul 2017 09:29:33
Keita is better than masch (who was never actually that good) he's better defensively and better all round, he will disrupt attacks like a DM, start attacks from deep and speed up play through the middle. Proper box to box player, we don't have a player like him in the squad and I think he would be a great addition to the team. if you watch him, watch how he pings perfect balls out to the wings, imagine Salah and Mane receiving them, watch how he disrupts play like Lucas used to then immediately gets on the attack.
It would be like taking all the best bits from hendo (great passing) Lucas (great reading of the game) and Can (engine) with none of their weaknesses (he's a whole lot quicker at running and passing the ball)
Can't imagine he is any good at headers but nobody is at Liverpool so nothing gained, nothing lost.


24 Jul 2017 10:35:57
Hopefully all the attention will make him want LFC when he's only costs £48M next year. We can cope till then 🀞 with Jordan back fit and let's not forget Woodburns development, really useful in cups etc. We have some really good youngsters to help the squad with the increased number of matches.


24 Jul 2017 00:35:37
I've never seen Keita play but I think what I have heard he is a box to box player. Wouldn't we be better getting a really good holding midfielder who can put fires out so to speak. The amount of times we get caught on the break it is something we definitely need I think.

I don't know who's out there but someone like amascherano.

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24 Jul 2017 10:39:54
Kieta can do all that, but has the ability to play amf too. If he can follow managers instruction depending on opponents he looks the complete midfielder. AFCON would be my only gripe, but it's going to the summer soon I believe.


 
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