Liverpool Banter Archive May 24 2017

 

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24 May 2017 23:17:17
Just wondered if there was any news on what will happen with Danny Ings next season. so unfortunate but is there any hope for a future with the after such bad injuries?

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{Ed002's Note - He should be integrated in to the squad.}

24 May 2017 23:52:35
Of course there is hope. Hope and determination are what will have kept Danny going. I hope he has a stellar future with us.


25 May 2017 00:03:06
good to hear I'm a big fan glad he will be given a chance well deserved after all the work he has put in.


24 May 2017 21:46:02
I know we are interested in Brandt but an alternative I wouldn't be disappointed in is Patrick Roberts. Had a fantastic season at Celtic but will now return to his parent club and I know he played on the right for Celtic but think he would be a great addition playing on the left for us. I can't see him dislodging either Sane or sterling so Ed2 if we were to show any interest would citeh be open to letting him go?

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{Ed002's Note - There is no interest in him from Liverpool.}

25 May 2017 03:28:29
So you want a player that will not displace Sterling and Sane from City's lineup? And yet u think he might be good enough for us? That too based on his only meaningful performances coming in th p*** poor scottish league where even Scott Sinclair looks a world beater.


25 May 2017 09:33:30
Left winger Frank Acheampong of Anderlecht is way better.


25 May 2017 16:58:19
Buzzer, this is the problem with our fans, saying other players (who can't even get a game at their clubs) are better than the ones we have or are interested in cos they don't play here. Strange thinking, really.


24 May 2017 20:29:38
Ed25 I love you man but can we have smaller doses of the blatant micky taking? You're worse than most of our fans for slagging off whichever of our players is the topic of discussion. I know it's playful but it's every post man. It's fun for the first few hendo, can, lucas, lovren then clyne, migs and firmino. anymore you'll get the whole team plus the youngsters you've mentioned the nonsense of how the tide is turning etc etc. It's just not much fun anymore.

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{Ed025's Note - i was not having a go at firmino jezza, just said that he was not that great this season, but if its not to your liking then i will tell you how brilliant they all are..

24 May 2017 20:56:30
Bit extreme Jezza. We can handle some banter, but I for one think ED025 is often spot on. Not arse licking, seriously have to agree with much of what he says.


24 May 2017 21:24:01
Mezzanine no cheese for you tonight 😁.


24 May 2017 21:24:20
I'd say your great fun on a night out jezza.


24 May 2017 21:24:53
Relax jezza, Everton are a nothing team. The EV are just jealous. According to ed025 all of our players are overrated and average yet we once again finished above them. The majority of Everton fans wanted to lose against Arsenal if it meant we would miss out on top 4, this is the mindset that you're dealing with, simply laughable.


24 May 2017 21:30:30
Yes, ED025 has a neutral view which will not be liked by most fans here because .

1. ED025 is Everton fan

2. Most fans have coloured glasses when judging players that they see them as world beaters / feel we should have won the league already

Cheers.


24 May 2017 23:25:43
Just a bit of fun but if he thinks our players are bad then evertons are dire. If when we have been at our worst over the last few years they have struggled for a win against us. They resort to thug football cos they know they have know chance of actually beating us fair and square.


25 May 2017 00:10:28
It's alright Jezza, Everton fans just aren't used to the concept of a striker making space so other people can score - it's one goalscorer a year in the blue half!


24 May 2017 20:48:15
I think it'd split you in two to do that! Just maybe try and give a nearly honest opinion 1 in 3 say? Atleast make it a game for us to wonder if you're just on a wind up or actually believe what you're saying.


{Ed025's Note - its only a bit of friendly banter you know jezza, dont take me or yourself too seriously mate, you have some good players but if your fishing for compliments you have the wrong guy mate.. :)

24 May 2017 20:51:01
Grow some thicker skin Jezza.

Ed25, keep the banter coming.

Btw, Barkley, Schneiderlin, Bolassie and Coleman are all tosh 😬.


{Ed025's Note - hey 87...they are our best players!, well except for ross who is a bit of a big girls blouse so would fit really well in your side mate.. :)

24 May 2017 21:12:50
Ed025 is an Evertonian and will have his tongue in cheeck moments. It is good to have his input around here.

What he does need to realise is that Liverpool will finish above Everton once again next season :-) LOL.


{Ed025's Note - it will be a close run thing max, a lot will depend on our new signings hitting the ground running mate, it could be the same for your lot as well seeing as you are signing all these top stars mate.. :)

24 May 2017 21:21:23
Ed25 isn't to far behind ed2 with getting a Facebook appreciation society. Keep up the good work ed. 🖒.


{Ed025's Note - i dont do social media max, im more of a net curtain twitcher mate..

24 May 2017 21:46:01
But isn't that football guys? We all look at our clubs with rose tinted glasses and if we don't then we shouldn't be supporters. The word is supporter after all so if you don't support your own team then you can't call yourself one.


{Ed025's Note - your dead right pip..

24 May 2017 21:55:50
Ed025 is a very good contributor to our pages. I don't always agree with her, but she makes some fair assessments.


{Ed025's Note - im actually all male MK and a babe magnet at that, if you seen me around woolton village in my tight fitting everton top you would see why.. :)

24 May 2017 22:02:47
Honestly some people are way too sensitive. Ed25 your alright for a blue nose, keep the banter coming.


{Ed025's Note - im fine with getting a bit of stick RTID, i have been an evertonian for 59 years so im used to it by now mate.. :)

24 May 2017 23:36:31
Ah here guys, seriously!

Can you blame the guy?

Obviously he's just jealous

😁😁😁.


{Ed025's Note - i am a little bit jealous savvy, i have always wanted to think my team is better than it actually is and have half of our supporters living in norway mate.. :)

25 May 2017 01:05:24
Why all the ignorance towards ed025. I think he's an honest breath of fresh air. I disagree with his opinions sometimes but that's the thing they're his opinions. They aren't wrong but neither are mine or anybody else's. They are like arse holes, everybody has 1 and everyone's is right- according to themselves. Maybe sometimes he has his blue tinted glasses on but most of the time we've our red tinted ones on. Maybe we just don't like what we hear about our players and maybe an opinion from a non supporter might be closer to the truth. I love hearing from him anyway and think along with ed001 and ed025 he's an excellent contributor.


{Ed025's Note - thanks for that mate..

25 May 2017 01:11:44
Guys chill - Ed25 is one of my favorites and it's called banter. He calls it how he sees it and is 90% of the time spot on, and it's fun to have a bit of banter with a blue with enough of a sense of humour to spend his time on this page.


{Ed025's Note - its a pleasure for me doing this page zimbo, you see im doing a degree at john moores university on delusional football fans and your supporters are helping no end mate.. :)

25 May 2017 08:41:46
Please keep going Ed025 and keep growing in stature here. I think your assessments are generally fair, and don't we need some humor and banter sometimes? Lighten up guys!


{Ed025's Note - some take things too serious noski, they need to have a night out with me in woolton village...and i will get them a bird.. :)

25 May 2017 09:54:35
Barkley wouldn't get in the side ahead of Wilson or Ojo mate.
Oh wait, you were talking about our first team XD.


{Ed025's Note - hes not a bad player you know dave maybe a change would do him good how about a swap for can and you give us £30m?..i know your tempted mate..

25 May 2017 12:08:17
He is dead sound and friendly. But saying Firmino has had a poor season is outrageous. We were top scorers in the league up until the last 3 weeks mainly due to his movement and intelligence. His finishing could do with some improvement but without him there would be no chance of top 4. Great signing.


{Ed025's Note - i have said i rated bobby gayfish, just that i thought he was not at his best because he should be more prolific in front of goal mate..

25 May 2017 17:26:55
I'd agree with everyone who appreciates Ed025 on these pages. He's always fair, despite being a blue nose, and says it like he sees it. And you can't ask for more. It's a bit paranoid and immature to go ahead and slate our own players and yet get the panties all twisted if an Ed does it. Time to grow a pair.


{Ed025's Note - i am very fair ra..with the odd grey streak mate.. :)

25 May 2017 08:35:56
I want MORE blantant mickey taking from the lengend that is ed025.
Of course there is such a thing as karma. What comes around goes around 😉.


{Ed025's Note - your right andy, we last won the league in 87 but guess what...its coming around soon mate.. :)

24 May 2017 20:25:24
I'm really excited about that Brandt guy. I hope we going to get him. Klopp could possible develope him into a dangerously good player.
I know what's been said in the past, that he don't wanna be a squad player. I respect that, but hopefully he's going to have plenty chance to play if he decide move to Liverpool.
I wonder if he is leaning towards moving to LFC this summer?

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24 May 2017 22:39:17
He would be a great signing, and really add to some balance to our attack, only thing is, he will more than likely to stay in Germany .


24 May 2017 19:57:42
All above criticism come down to lfc needs a first pick right and left backs, as it seems those positions is the creative links in Klopp system. I am happy reading from the eds that the club is looking to bring in two left backs and Sessegnon being for the long term development. Also happy that a right back is being touted, means Clyne is not safe.

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24 May 2017 22:42:45
yes, our system really works when our full backs bring width, on both sides, only problem is that our two full backs, for different reasons, are not good enough for a top four club .


25 May 2017 00:47:27
flanagan was going to be a great fullback for us. wish he didn't get injured. we could still use him at left or right back. i have a feeling clyne will go, fullback positions will definitely be up for grabs. I know people likee arnold but flano has already proved he can do it for us. if anythhing arnold should be back up for flano. milner should be moved on too if a quality fullback is available.


25 May 2017 09:26:45
I love Flano but sadly he is now a shadow of the player he was before his injury. The loan was his chance to prove otherwise. I would love him to prove me wrong but if he wants a career he needs to play somewhere where he is going to be able to play every week.


24 May 2017 19:39:29
Anyone else see that half-time interview today?

Personally, my favourite possession was Linda Blair's in The Exorcist :p.

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25 May 2017 09:31:19
I was so appalled by the pre match that I let my wife change channels during the half time. She kept asking me if that was the normal level of football coverage. If you are going to cover a match with comedians, you need to get ones who are actually funny - or know what they are talking about or even have a love for the game.
In fact they were so bad they made Craig Foster look fairly OK.


24 May 2017 19:05:40
Sorry, but anyone thinking there is a witch hunt when it comes to Clyne need to start seeing the wood for the trees. He is getting paid a very substantial wage and simply does not deliver what is required from him.

Go and youtube the video he had made for his latest birthday celebration. The guy is so in love with himself and shows it on the pitch too.

Sentiment is one thing but even a blind man will be able to come up to any fan and tell them Clyne is not good enough
and will never be.

It is a fact that he is not willing to show the improvement required to wear the Liverpool shirt. Game in and out you see this guy zipping up and down the pitch with absolutely no positive outcome whatsoever.

I have seen improvement in Firmino, Lallana, Mignolet, Can, Origi, Lovren etc and we have seen the likes of TAA who will be able to leave Clyne in his dust.

Milner had in some way shown that he was willing to make the LB position work for him even if he was not up for playing there. Kept his mouth shut and got on with it.

If Clyne is still our no 1 RB for next season then we will not move forward. We need players who have desire not 'I am happy to collect my wage knowing I am no 1 for my position'

In with somebody at RB who can show that they are adept and have desire to improve. Have the fire in there belly like Emre Can has shown worthy of wearing the shirt.

Rant over.

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24 May 2017 19:35:23
Regardless of your opinion, the player has been consistently available for selection and has performed at his manager's request, albeit not to everyones taste, but that's more than I can say for many of the other apparent stars, who have endured many months of injury at the club's detriment, and are still yet to perform to their best.

Any venomous criticism of them?

Thought not.


24 May 2017 19:39:02
The only criticism I have for Clyne is that he rarely crosses the ball.
I literally can't remember him putting a cross in, he always looks to cut in in the final third. I wonder if it is instructions from the manager, but this happens even when Origi is on.


24 May 2017 19:53:57
DaveyBootle, the only competition Clyne had this season was TAA who is still learning the ropes. When TAA did feature he showed why he has more desire than Clyne.

The only reason why I can think that Klopp did not decide to throw in TAA straight away was not to give the youngster a comfort zone. If you want to wear the red shirt then you need to work your arse off, earn it and then you will reap the rewards if you are youngster fighting to earn a spot. Also to preserve TAA, make him more hungry. Nothing is for free. We all know that our defence leaks goals too so the last thing any youngster wants is to be drowned in negativity towards our defence.

Clyne knew that nobody was going to overthrow him at RB. He then gets onto the pitch and what he gives is good enough for him.

Emre can was being belittled by just about every fan but showed them the middle finger and ended up being one the most improved, if not the most improved players for Liverpool this season. Clyne just trots along.


24 May 2017 19:59:16
Clyne is a very average defender and a very poor wing back. What he is though is incredibly dedicated. Players lacking desire don't make 100 appearances in 2 seasons. His commitment to being as strong, fast and fit as possible is a credit to him.

He needs to be replaced by a better player, but I'd love our more gifted players to share his commitment to staying fit! Not sure we can call him self indulgent either. Not without knowing him personally.


24 May 2017 20:35:26
TAA didn't play because he's not as good as Clyne, at least not yet. There no need to dress it up any other way.


24 May 2017 21:10:05
If we are seeking a new RB then that clearly states Clyne is surplus. The club wanted rid of Clyne last summer. Ed002 made that clear. See the wood for the trees.


24 May 2017 21:30:14
I agree with that Max, just disagree with calling out his character rather than his ability.


24 May 2017 23:08:44
Max. I love your passion and I agree that, were I in Klopp's position, I would be looking to move Clyne on and bring in a player with better distribution and crossing. But.
. he is our player. I tend to agree with MK on this. He's consistently turned out. How do you know "he's not willing to to show the improvement? " He may be trying but unable?


24 May 2017 23:59:15
There a huge gap for the u23 lads to handle, much of it is to build up the core physical strength while not losing pace or ability

If they keep up the performance levels they will get more game time the stronger they get.

Thats why I feel its wrong the wat Origi is slagged off on here.

Hes 22 and a lump of a lad already, who we bought for a great price compared to what's being quoted these days for players.

Its not his fault Danny Inges done his knee again or Daniel Sturridge is medical mystery who can injure himself while dancing .


24 May 2017 18:56:33
The only reason Gerrard, Carra and Macca have gone out to Sydney is to get hug off Klopp!

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24 May 2017 17:11:34
Is Ings set to return in the summer? are we looking to sell him or keep him as backup?

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24 May 2017 19:07:34
Ings has a long way to go before he returns to full fitness after the very bad injury he suffered. If we do sign another striker then it will most likely be over for him.


24 May 2017 16:24:31
Julian Brandt will leave Bayer Leverkusen at the end of the season. The 21-year-old German attacking midfielder will also not stay in Germany either.

The main reason for his departure is the fact that Bayer Leverkusen have missed out on the UEFA Champions League next season.

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24 May 2017 17:35:25
I really hope we get him in, the lad is a very good player and he's still only 20 so he has a lot of room for improvement.


24 May 2017 18:52:13
Per the Ed's, brandt is open to coming to us but needs assurances of being a starter on the left wing, which may be what Klopp is considering when he placed Couts deeper in the run-in. .


24 May 2017 20:36:59
nred, that's exactly what i think the reason Klopp has moved Coutinho to accommodate Brandt on the wing as he wants regular play time as its world cup year. Be a very good coup.


25 May 2017 00:13:08
If anyone deserves a bit of patience and luck, its Danny Inges.

I really hope he makes it back for us, He definitley is a battler

He has handled himself brilliantly through a terrible time.


24 May 2017 13:42:02
Watching today's game, TAA excepted, I have to say the other youngsters (Woodburn, Wilson and Brewster) were quite disappointing. I know they are only young, but where is the desire to impose themselves on the game and take it by the scruff of the neck?

Players like Owen, Fowler, Gerrard, Mcmanaman and, dare I say it, Rashford were all doing it at similar ages. Today was a perfect opportunity to showcase their talents but their control and passing was woeful.

They won't get many more opportunities to shine once Klopp strengthens the squad and they did very little today against a very mediocre side to make him look at them again in the future, unless they improve big-time.

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24 May 2017 14:12:40
I was at the game, thought Woodburn did pretty well and TAA did okay. Didn't see much of Wilson though.


24 May 2017 14:36:38
Maybe the fact that you named Owen, Macca, Fowler and Gerrard as your example is the issue? Four top notch players! Very hard for any player to compare to those 4. Maybe they just are not at that level.


24 May 2017 14:45:07
For a start, comparing player is ridiculous. Everyone matures at a different rate.
Secondly, didn't they only land 11 hours previous? Maybe they were a bit tired?
It was a silly end of season friendly that meant nothing except money. Should never have been done in my opinion. Or at least let them have a few days rest first. Asking for injuries to happen.


24 May 2017 15:54:30
I agree with all the points put forward in reply, but feel that if they don't reach the level of Owen, Fowler etc, they won't make the grade with us, as much as I'd love them to do so.

Jetlagged or not, today was an opportunity for them. The fact that Carragher and Gerrard showed up better than our young players.


24 May 2017 17:06:25
Woodburn and Brewster are 17 for crying out loud.


24 May 2017 17:37:22
Flying for 10 hrs then straight on a coach from the hotel to the game might have been a factor for the younger players for whom this would have been alien let aline the regular first teamers. Give them some slack mate.


{Ed025's Note - fair point there IAC..

24 May 2017 18:28:08
No travel didn't effect the llayers in the 50s did it. The quality of pitches. The no money wages (compared to roxay) .

I could run 4 marathonz. Have to pay to play. Fly around the world. And then play for hours and give my all if allowed to wear tbe liverpool kit.

To pampered.


24 May 2017 19:35:43
And friendlies against opposition from down under is the way to measure whether youngsters are good enough or not?

Friendlies are not there to be won anyways. The results from friendlies are meaningless.

Liverpool however probably did get some good income from this match. Youngsters had a run out but games like these are not going to be a chance to show whether a player has what it takes. Australian fans had a chance to see the team they live for.

Performance means bugger all in these type of matches.


24 May 2017 23:24:14
Exactly. Judging a player on a basis of his performance in one friendly game is just foolish, especially youngsters.


24 May 2017 23:58:11
Woodburn for me had a fairly good game. Tried to hard at times but clearly was trying. Pressed well (wasnt he the one who robbed Brillante to setup Sturridge? ) . TAA wasnt bad, Wilson was anonymous, Brewster seemed overawed but showed glimpses of why he made it to the U23 this year.
Note it was a friendly and barely got out of second gear (which is probably why Carragher wasnt exposed - mind you I thought he was going to have a heart attack at one stage he was so red) .


25 May 2017 00:19:51
A 20 hour flight,

a different climate with no time to adjust.

Searing temperatures to play in. and totally different time zones.

That would affect anyone negatively.

At 17 years of age the young lads did great.

Hopefully there were no injuries.


25 May 2017 09:38:51
Dermot some good point there but "searing temperatures"? It was about 17 deg during the match - does that qualify as "searing" in the UK?


25 May 2017 21:32:25
Here in Ireland that's a heatwave.
But anyway who organised this match?
Was it a benefit to anyone?

Klopp said that after the journey and time change that any body expecting a top performance from any player doesn't know football.


24 May 2017 13:17:40
So the worst we feared has happened. 2 girls from the school my kids go to were caught in the Manchester attack. One; 14 dead, the other in hospital with multiple injuries. I so feel for the surviving girl, the families and the parents. How sensless. Sorry not Liverpool related I know.

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24 May 2017 14:09:29
It's absaloutly a disgrace these sick people need deporting if they have some sort of link to terrorism whether or not they plan on acting on it need deporting, I am no racist nor do I support something stupid like the edl but why should we share our own country with scumbags like thes who play they fear for there lives in there own country, let them be scared there it saves our own people been scared in there own country. Little kids been put through this ordeal who have no say in politics is shocking and these people don't even deserve oxygen.


24 May 2017 14:14:04
They had a minutes' silence at the game in Sydney tonight. Great to see the universal support for Manchester.


24 May 2017 15:03:26
Jamesy you are 100% right mate, these people should get no place to live anywhere in this world. In Islam it says killing one innocent life is equal to killing all humanity. In my view these people should get hanged no matter what.
Don't get me wrong Sharing country you know where these people are coming from. (Syriya, Iraq libiya etc.
Why becuz of these soo called peaceful westrens where they are destroying there countries for greed. People who have lost there families are coming as refuges to take any sort of revenge on innocent people like us.
If america and EU stop there acitivities there i bet there will be hardly any terorist threat in here. its all politics mate. Where all the truth get hidden from us.


24 May 2017 15:17:24
Jamsey, how do you deport someone who was born in this country, like this suicide bomber was.


24 May 2017 16:36:21
More no he was on The radar of mi5 he may have been British born but where his parents? This British born jihadi has just ruined 22 families in the name of Allah and all the other senseless killings of innocent people in other suicide bombings why are countries standing for it? Why do we have to stand strong and be scared to go to events fearing for our lives? These kids what have been killed have had no say in politics in this country or will ever have the opportunity too thanks too this bloke of they can't deport then detain them keep them out the way of innocent people because why should people fear going out in there own country and enjoying themselves.


24 May 2017 16:46:09
in Manchester we saw the worst of humanity but also the best in the locals who helped out in the midst of the carnage.
But maybe some of these angry thoughts should also be directed towards the current UK government who made a right mess of Libya, allowing extremism to take hold over there and also contributed greatly to the refugee crisis, that in turn allowed extremists to flood in from war zones?
maybe the current UK government should also be stopped from selling weapons to the Saudis who are then using them to bomb innocent civilians in Yemen? The same saudis who are known to supply terrorist organisations such as IS?
There is a reason why we are hated so much in certain parts of the world, one little sick f@ck he may have been, but without the support he obviously received in Libya them ideas would probably have stayed in his head.


{Ed025's Note - i dont care what his political or religious views were mikey, there is no excuse for what that bastard did mate..

24 May 2017 18:19:09
i agree ed. no excuse whatsoever justifies that.
My point is we should be aiming for peace, looking to build bridges and looking at our own governments actions around the world rather than blame the nearest immigrant.


24 May 2017 18:46:40
Yeah agree there ed025 mate, don't care what the excuse is. It isn't, and will never be good enough. for anyone to do something like that, is unspeakable. And such behavior needs to be eradicated by any HUMANE means necessary.


24 May 2017 19:19:17
There is no excuse nor explanation for reigning terror on innocent people. That is actually a very cowardly act.


24 May 2017 19:55:29
Hi Reds. First time poster on these pages, long time reader.

Firstly, it's commendable that people are trying to make sense of this heinous situation. Often, reason flies out of the window in times of such tragic sentiments.

Being a Muslim I can confirm that it is impossible to detect every last psychopath that is roaming our streets. Numerous studies into lives of terrorists have shown that they all had a pre-existing inclination towards violence and crime. When they are exposed to the global humanity crises, and when they perceive an absence of a legitimate outlet for their anger, they turn to hating "the system". These guys are dysfunctional community members who are isolated from other muslims or mosques because muslims shun their extreme tendencies. They are inspired by their anger and guided by tiny and highly fragmented terrorist groups via the web who believe they are at war with the west. In other words, their ideology is inconsequential - they are actually led by their personal psychological failings and an overwhelming anger towards some cause.

I believe the only way to stop them is to firstly address the cause of their anger and then try to reintegrate them into the society. Our government is led by amateurs who keep insisting that these psychos are ideology-driven. We continually refuse to acknowledge their valid grievances. We don't acknowledge the decimation we brought across the whole Muslim world since the Gulf war, and especially since the Afghan war. Worse-still we continue bombing civilians (just the US dropped 26,000 bombs last year, CIA does not share stats on civilian casualties but other sources suggest they are in hundreds of thousands) . We also continue to protect tyrant regimes like Saudis, Egyptians and Israelis. Our primary anti-terror initiative is Prevent which is a joke - all it does is misinforms the masses and turns dysfunctional characters into full-fledged haters of the west. And finally our media keeps printing tosh against muslims which inspires the next generation of terrorists to hating the west even more. All of the above will need to stop if our next generation is to enjoy the same peace that we usually enjoy. People like Blair need to be brought to justice, divisive forces like NewsCorp and other tabloids need to be curtailed. And we need to urgently withdraw from all military and diplomatic operations in the Muslim world.

Unfortunately none of the above will happen. But we should at least give it a go.

Thanks
Hammad.


24 May 2017 19:57:57
Andy, I'm sure your kids will be devastated :- (. All the best to your family and to all the families/ friends of victims.


24 May 2017 20:31:09
The Manchester bomber was from. Manchester. He wasn't an immigrant Jani. This is not the place to debate his motives or the politics however.
It's the easiest thing to talk about immigrants and deportations after something like this.
None of this will bring the victims back or heal the hearts of the families - and this will do nothing to heal the hearts or mend the lives of victims of war in places like Syria and Libya. This is both a senseless slaughter of innocent lives and an attack on our values, values which include multiculturalism and tolerance. As football fans we appreciate diversity. Our Liverpool team features players from Brazil, Belgium (including of Congolese descent? ), Germany (of Turkish descent), England (including of Carribean descent), Cameroon, Croatia and Senegal. We've debated the merits of signing players of North African descent like Mahrez and Salah.
Manchester is a multicultural city, as all UK cities are, we have vibrant Chinese and Pakistani communities. The Curry mile is reknowned. It's part of what makes cities like Manchester and Liverpool vibrant places to live.


24 May 2017 20:37:55
Hammed, good post, Im with you.


24 May 2017 20:50:41
Agree, excellent post hammed, more sense and expertise in your post than I have seen in "news" for a long time.


24 May 2017 23:06:35
Hammed, very good post, but the bottom line, is that this is our country, and any potential bomber or bomb maker, should be removed, or evicted, sent back, our kids should feel safe going to a concert, their parents safe in the knowledge that their children will return home .


25 May 2017 07:12:55
Redforever, you're a potential bomber, as am i, should we be removed? A police state will not solve this problem.


24 May 2017 13:10:31
The Clyne bashing on this site is reaching absurd levels, somebody posted today that he's been stealing a career. Not only is that ridiculous but it's downright insulting to a guy who's given nothing less than 100% in his three years with the club.

I respect the view that right back is a position we could improve on but Clyne is not a terrible player. The way people on here talk about him makes it sound like he trips over his feet every time the ball comes near him.

Clyne is one of, if not, the best athletes I've seen at the club. He's solid defensively, composed on the ball and tidy in possession. His weakness is in the final third but seeing how he's a defender that's not the biggest sin. We might have a new right back next season but don't set your expectations too high. There are few managers in the world who ask as much from their fullbacks as Klopp so anyone we bring in is going to find the going tough.

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{Ed002's Note - He is a Liverpool player - what do you expect here.}

24 May 2017 13:23:44
1 assist all year, no goals- stats don't lie
Need an improvement
Supporters are entitled to air their opinions about any player
Criticism doesn't equate to bashing.
I'm sure if he stays on we will continue to support him but if a player has weaknesses and areas where he needs improving we shall continue to point this out.


24 May 2017 13:30:39
I think with some players it gets to the point that no matter what they do that is right, certain fans' opinions have been set. Also many have, unknowingly, a herd mentality. Once criticism of a player becomes the norm it's easy for anyone with a criticism to post and harder for anyone with a positive view to go aginst the flow and express it.


24 May 2017 13:31:09
Spot on, Putney. But Mingnolet has improved now, Moreno has been benched and Can scored a wonder goal. If Clyne moves on in the summer it could be Woodburns turn next.


24 May 2017 13:34:49
Supermane

He is a left back not a winger. There are plenty of other full backs who haven't scored at all this season.


{Ed001's Note - but he also can't defend. Solid defensively would mean he was not targeted by every opposition manager as a weak link. Unfortunately Clyne is deficient defensively. He is a good athlete but he can't leap, which creates another issue as long crosses towards his side of the pitch are a danger. His positioning is poor, which doesn't help, as he always gets drawn in too narrow and so is having to backpedal to try and get to a deep header.

He is a good athlete, he does give his all, but he is simply not good enough and has to be replaced. We can't keep carrying players that have to be pushed out of the box on set pieces as they are utterly unable to do anything other than get in the way when we are defending them.

The guys you want outside the box are attackers who can burst forward and threaten an opposing team, meaning they have to keep players back to cover against a break. We have to put Clyne there, meaning teams are able to put an extra body in the box.}

24 May 2017 14:32:17
Putney,

As it's my post that has clearly got you riled, I'll expand a little.

Clyne is technically poor, has very little in the way of a footballing brain and is lacking in positional sense. His speed/ athleticism gets him out of jail on occasions, which leads a lot of people into believing that he is defensively sound.

He offers absolutely nothing in terms of an outlet, repetitively taking the easy option and passing the ball back inside to Matip/ Can, instead of trying to exploit the space afforded to us in wide areas, particularly by the lesser teams who generally sit deep and narrow.

Anything played forward is usually a hopeful clip down the line into space. Having played to a fairly decent standard, you know when you're a little bit out of your depth, and it's probably affecting his confidence on the ball.

He also disrupts our tempo at times, as his technical deficiencies aren't conducive to one touch interchanges around the edge of the box or swift counter attacking football, often slowing down the play while he takes a couple of touches to control the ball or deciding what he's going to do next.

I won't dwell on his crossing or movement in the oppositions half, as it's not even a debate.

Defensively, Ed001 has already touched on his aerial weaknesses and questionable positioning, but in my opinion, he also lacks a bit of bravery. He completely bottled several challenges against Middleborough, particularly in the first half, and that, especially as a 'defender' and in such an important game, isn't on.

I have nothing against the guy, and I agree that he gives his all, but unfortunately his 'all' isn't good enough.

The "stealing a living" remark was below the belt and likely fueled by the frustration of watching him play.

It'd be easier to encourage him if he didn't insist on that silly haircut :-)

Onward and upwards.


24 May 2017 16:12:37
I like him and think he does his best which is all we can ever ask for from a player. I have never seen him him as much (if any at all) of an upgrade on Glen Johnson.

As a few people have said he doesn't suit the system JK wants to play so we should try and replace him. Wish him all the best if he moves on too.

Did you know he has a tattoo of himself?! Weird, no?


24 May 2017 18:01:57
He's bashed because he's been poor this season and needs replacing. Poor defensively and generally clueless in the final third. Get rid move on. Stoke should buy him ✊🏼.


{Ed025's Note - thats a terrible thing to wish on stoke reaper.. :)

24 May 2017 18:57:18
Id say its more important to get a partner for Matip then replacing Clyne.


24 May 2017 19:25:20
Clyne is poor, end of story. If you think he is being unfairly slated then you need to watch the games and se what others like myself, have seen which shows that Clyne is poor in all facets of the game, period.

Being a good athlete and giving your all is nonsense cos any individual can do that if you paid him half of what Clyne is on, regardless of his skill set. It was this type of warped thinking that kept a hapless CB like Skrtel in the team for almost a decade.

Clyne is not good enough and the fact that he has to be moved out of the box in set piece situations, shows that he is a liability defensively. The guy needs to go and Klopp doesn't care how much of your all you give. if you can't hack it, you'll be gone, no exceptions.


24 May 2017 19:59:25
He has tried his best and it should be appreciated, as should his ability to be constantly available, much the same as we have appreciated Lucas's attempts over his time with the club. But the fact is his position is one where vast improvement can be made quite easily. Nothing against him as a person, his effort is outstanding, but can we, SHOULD we, as a team aiming for consistent CL qualification, trophies and building towards consistent title challenges, have a full back that is limited in both defence and attack. The ruthless, honest and business answer I'm afraid is no. No-one would argue if we replaced coutinho with Neymar. Same difference. As Ed says, players are transitional members of staff. If they don't improve they get replaced. Simple, harsh but true. We should be thankful for he effort and say goodbye With mutual respect and no hard feelings.


24 May 2017 20:45:50
N Red, no one's saying you can't decide if a player's good enough or not, it's the snide petty digs which are unacceptable. Fans shouldn't talk about their players that way.


25 May 2017 00:09:38
Putney,

Get off the fence, fella.

Ultimately, we all want Liverpool to succeed but we haven't won a trophy for five years.

I'd love to pretend everything is rosey and constantly massage the players ego's, but we haven't been good enough, although I do feel like we're getting there.

This is a 'banter' site/ open forum, people's opinions are going to be divided, get over it.


25 May 2017 07:16:39
Lacey, it's not banter when you're mocking someone who can't answer back, it's abuse.


{Ed001's Note - it depends on how it is meant. Banter and abuse always has a fine line between it. I mean what is banter between my mates in real life would be abuse if you and I said those things to each other, but between mates it is banter. Best not to get too stressed about it as some people just do not understand the fine lines.}

25 May 2017 07:53:07
Got it Ed, just had my buttons pushed is all.


{Ed001's Note - I know mate, but sometimes you have to give the benefit of the doubt and assume it is tongue in cheek or you will just get wound up. It is really not worth getting wound up over words on a screen.}

24 May 2017 12:21:08
Watching the Sydney game. I appreciate the marketing value of Gerrard playing, even carra. But when macca comes on I wonder is it a tad disrespectful to the current a league champions? Hang on, is that king Kenny I see strapping on the boots?

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24 May 2017 12:57:13
It was a friendly mate. Get over it. I am sure the A-league players will have been delighted to be on the same pitch as Gerrard, Carra and McManaman, even if was not during their playing days.


24 May 2017 13:00:22
Game's finished and think I may have been a bit negative re macca (who I played against at school boys age) . Was a nice spectacle and macca showed some nice touches. Have to say, Gerrard showed he could still cut it in many premier league sides, no worries.


24 May 2017 13:01:27
Well considering they still lost 3-0 and 72,000 turned up to see these guys, I'd say the crowd got what they wanted and paid for!


24 May 2017 13:17:21
I would take Dan Agger back in a heartbeat! Never should've been let go.


24 May 2017 13:33:05
Seems that Macca, Carra and Stevie G were too good for the aussies.


24 May 2017 14:19:33
It sure what the booing Lucas was about from Liverpool fans. Disgraceful.


24 May 2017 15:34:25
I was there Swish. They weren't booing him, they were shouting 'shooooooooooot'


25 May 2017 00:01:28
Lol, everyone around me thought they were booing him!


24 May 2017 11:12:19
Eds / Reds,

Has anybody seen Luan enough to form an educated assessment on him?

I've just not seen anything of his any just want to know how highly rated he is. Heard he is a false 9 sort of forward but I don't know if that's people who have only seen him on Football Manager or Fifa. So a real life assessment would be appreciated if anyone could help me out.

Thanks is advance, Gunn.

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24 May 2017 12:04:50
Type Tim Vickery and Luan into a search engine and start reading.

He has written quite a lot about him and all of it good from what I can see.


24 May 2017 12:30:06
Thanks RedDawn, will have a look at that.

Its just that I see a lot of people excited at the prospect of signing Luan, but didn't really know the reason why, whether its because he's genuine quality or just because its a new big money signing.


24 May 2017 12:59:26
From what I read, he seems like a really mobile type of player, and even can play on the wing too. Maybe that's why from the stats, as a forward, he didn't score as much. Lots of movement open up spaces for others, maybe.


24 May 2017 13:03:54
From the Olympics, which was the last time I saw him, he was lightening quick and fairly tough. Wasn't making brilliant decisions which I'd hope he's worked on in the year since. Played on the wing at the time, don't have a clue if he did that for his club but he supported Neymar well. Didn't look out of place in the young, flair filled Brazil side either. Money aside, looked then like he could be a very good player in the making.


24 May 2017 13:11:57
Isnt it obvious? He is Brazilian and will cost 20 odd mill, that's why everybody is getting wet over it. Never heard of him two weeks ago myself. I trust Klopp.


24 May 2017 18:29:04
Thanks for responses guys, much appreciated.


24 May 2017 10:56:42
Just in case anyone wants to watch the Europa League Final tonight and don't have BTSport. The match is also live on their Freeview Channel 115.

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24 May 2017 11:52:40
Isn't it on YouTube as well.


24 May 2017 11:58:15
BT Sport are playing the Europa and Champions League Final's for free, for anyone that has access but doesn't pay.


24 May 2017 13:59:13
Also on Sky Arts heard United are good a drawing!


24 May 2017 10:48:25
Joe Gomez been sent home through illness. Hope nothing more sinister in this as could have a big future with us.

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24 May 2017
The real time live chat page is open for today's Liverpool match at the below link for you to talk to each other during the match
Liverpool Live Chat page

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24 May 2017 10:20:48
Eds, should we expect all incomings this summer to be from the names discussed here so far, or could there be one or two under even your radar? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - The club will adapt when they cannot get the ones they want.}

24 May 2017 10:16:15
I’m interested in, for lack of a better word, the interest in Luan. There are a few reasons why he seems an unlikely target. Ed2’s told us about the problems with his ownership which would have to be sorted out before he joined us, that in itself isn’t the biggest deal but to go through all that trouble would suggest he’s very highly sought after. Looking at his history, however, he’s not the next big star to come off the Brazilian conveyor belt but a good talent waiting for a chance to show if he’s the real deal or not. Securing his signature seems like a lot of effort for what appears to be a speculative purchase.

The next thing is his position, I believe that Liverpool are short of a top class goal scorer (Studge could be it but who knows if he’ll ever be fully fit again) so I assumed that Luan was being looked at for that role but that’s not his natural position. I’ve read some of what Tim Vickery’s written about him and he’s variously described him as a false 9 or second striker (who can also play wide) . That puts him into Firmino territory which again raises questions, why bring in Luan when we already have Bobby? What would be his role? Perhaps he’s being considered as a straight back up to Firmino but again why would we go to so much trouble to bring in a backup?

Vickery does seem to rate Luan, in 2014 he praised his maturity, vision and natural ability and thinks it was his introduction in 2016 that made the 2016 Olympic Gold medal winners gel. Most recently he has talked about his clever movement and eye for a pass so if he comes there is every chance he will be a success but he doesn’t seem to meet any of the criteria we’re looking for as I understand it, left wing isn’t his best position and he’s not an out and out goal scorer.

There’s every chance that Klopp is a lot smarter than me and has identified a role that suits Luan down to the ground, after all Wiji has done well in a position we didn’t think he was suitable for last summer, but as a simple fan I’m not sure I get it. My guess is that he’s going to be a rotation forward adding depth to a front line containing Firmino, Origi, Studge, Mane, Ings, a new left winger and a couple of youth players. We do need more depth for next season but that seems quite excessive.

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24 May 2017 11:40:24
Klopp is simply putting together a more complete 25 man squad, given that we're back in Europe and perhaps he's more ambitious this year with the two Cups. Unlike other teams in the top 6 this season, we had a big drop off in quality once we went past the starting 15-16 players, and used the bench. It's time we stopped shifting players around in case of injuries and absences and developed a bench with players who are closer to the quality of the starters they replace. Who is Coutinho's sub in case of injury? Mane's? Firmino's? (Origi is a completely different kind of player) . Luan is the ideal type of player who can slot in to any of the front 3 positions - and he'll be busy enough with Europe, the League and the two Cups. And what's wrong with using a rotation on a more regular basis? Players accept it everywhere. Another argument for more rotation is the fact that our players clock the highest average of miles run per game. Fresher legs mean fresher minds too when the season is in the closing stages (I clearly think our players looked somewhat tired at times during the last 10 games) . It's okay to look at and wait for talent to develop (Ojo, Woodburn, Wilson, Brandt - all under 21) but if you're ambitious for titles and silverware, you need the players who'll come and hit the ground running and make an impact like Wijnaldum (26) or, hopefully, Luan (24).


24 May 2017 12:50:51
I don't disagree, I'm just surprised we'd go for an expensive guy who's only ever played in South America rather than a safer option from the European leagues.


24 May 2017 13:22:05
Ra1969 - well thought out post as usual.


24 May 2017 13:54:47
Putney - I know we don't disagree. You were asking a question and I simply offered a possible answer. If we look at the benches of Chelsea, ManC, ManU, Spurs, you'll see plenty of players who are primarily benchwarmers who were bought for 30 or 40 Mil. So buying a 20 Mil player is hardly a stretch (for even the low table teams) nowadays. The fact that he has no European experience is probably why he is only valued at 20+ Mil. He'd cost far more if he had some experience, given that it's an EPL team showing interest. I read very often that we can't afford this player or that player. It just sounds like a bit of blablabla to me. If you aspire, and if you have ambition to compete with the big boys, you've got to act like a big boy yourself and at least have the same weapons they use. History, legacy, tactics and an ambitious manager will only take you so far. Thanks AndyM.


24 May 2017 14:03:11
I'm not too convinced about the Luan option even tho the Ed's have confirmed that we are interested. I have not seen him play so I can't make a tru assessment of his ability but then again, I had never seen Alex Texeira play yet Klopp wanted him badly in the 2016 January window. Only time will tell.


24 May 2017 10:08:22
Who's ready for an end of season podcast?
Let's record tonight if the boys want it 001.

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{Ed001's Note - would love to mate. What sort of time are you thinking?}

24 May 2017 12:10:48
I'd like to hear it.

"Ballerpod" has a nice ring to it 😎.


{Ed001's Note - oh god don't give him ideas!}

24 May 2017 12:40:14
I'll be home by 6. So Dubai time would be 9?
See ya on Skype buddy.
Ron is buzzing for the joke of the weak.
Season two starts today 🎊.


24 May 2017 17:51:21
Cool looking forward to it, missed the weak joke of the week😄.


Sunderland Season  Review

24 May 2017 09:39:36
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Sunderland Season Review

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24 May 2017 12:07:23
Thanks Ed, it was depressing just reading that so I dread to think what it was like for Sunderland fans watching it every week.


{Ed001's Note - not sure whether to say thanks or not!}

24 May 2017 13:21:43
the minute moyes told the sunderland fans to expect a relegation fight they were in trouble, added to that his pathetic recruitment and tatics, the true miracle of last season was the fact he was not sacked which probably says more about ellis short as he is desperate to offload the club a. s. a. p, there supporters I have to say were superb each and every week, and deserved a whole lot better than what they put up with on a weekly basis.


24 May 2017 09:22:57
Eds with Moreno surplus to requirements and Sevilla wanting him back could we perhaps try include Pablo Sarabia in a deal?
This is just me putting 2 and 2 together.

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{Ed001's Note - I very much doubt it. They would love him back, but they are not looking to give up anything for him. They don't need him back, that is a big difference.}

23 May 2017 23:53:24
Hello Eds,

Been coming to this site for about ten years now (since it was transfer-rumours. co. uk) . Just wanted to say thanks for all y'all do. This is pretty much the only source of information I trust.

Anyways, on to the point. In a recent interview, Klopp has come out and said that he has talked to a lot of players who are interested in the project. Just wanted to know if he has gotten permission from their clubs. I know we have a history of tapping up, and I'm hoping we haven't fallen back into the same old habits. Thanks in advance for your response.

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{Ed002's Note - It is clubs they have been talking with.}

24 May 2017 07:24:08
Ed001, thanks for all the good work. With all the rumours (tabloid fodder) going round about what we'll be spending in the summer, can you give us an idea what the club realistically has, and can spend?

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{Ed001's Note - no, it does not work like that.}

24 May 2017 08:35:34
As Long as we get the right players for the right positions who cares about the price?

for example. Courts was cheap, Mane was expensive and both are KEY players.


24 May 2017 07:01:53
ED025 no disrespect intended gaffer, but the fact that you think Everton are going to be challenging Liverpool at all next season, never mind challenging for the top 4 is the funniest thing I've read this week 😂😂.

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{Ed025's Note - take it from me ruthless you will see a different everton next season mate, times are a changing and i cant wait..

24 May 2017 07:27:13
Yeah Ed025 it'll be great to see Everton scrap it out in a relegation battle next season.


{Ed025's Note - you know thats not going to happen reet, the party next season is about to be gatecrashed by the boys in blue mate, be very afraid.. :)

24 May 2017 08:03:19
The only blue boys that could gate crash next season's party is Man City (if they spend wisely) . I expect Chelsea to retain their title. Spurs will be fighting for top4 coz of their move to Wembley, while Arsenal's season depends on keeping Sanchez and Ozil. If they lose both, its Europa at best for them next season as well. Utd, City and Liverpool will complete next season's top4 unless Spurs banish their Wembley hoodoo. Everton will get 7th or 8th spot depending on Southampton's recruitment this season.


24 May 2017 08:11:34
Everton to finish above United and Arsenal in 5th next season. :)


24 May 2017 08:05:53
😂😂 surely you're talking about Brighton Ed? Everton are so far behind the rest they'll never get back up there!


{Ed025's Note - prepare to be amazed pip..

24 May 2017 09:37:36
We would all have probably said the same about Leicester after they narrowly avoided relegation 2yr ago. Then they bought Kante and stormed the league.

All premier league clubs have so much money that with good recruitment they can compete. It's easy to improve Swansea, but it's not quite so easy to improve Chelsea.
Everton could certainly compete with the right recruitment. I know it's banter and all that.

I honestly don't know where ed025 gets his optimism from 😉.


{Ed025's Note - i get it from the recruitment of farhad moshiri ron, our new owner is a billionaire with designs on bringing our club back to former glories, money was always a problem for everton but not anymore, this guy wants success and trophies and will go beyond the pail to achieve it, we will be one of the major players in the transfer market this summer mate and then the resurgence of this great club can begin, we also have the best crop of youngsters in the country and a very good manager and DOF in place so its all systems go, get yourself a blue shirt ron and join the revolution...the future is blue...the future is everton.. :)

24 May 2017 09:49:41
Bless you Ed. As much as it's nonsense we all have to have a dream ;-)


{Ed025's Note - it was a dream pip but now its reality and when we get our new dockland stadium in the near future you will be green with envy, there is a shift of power happening on merseyside and i cant wait, maybe we will throw you a bone and loan you niasse for a season or something just to be neighbourly mate.. :)

24 May 2017 10:10:12
hi Ed025 I agree that some of your youngsters are going to be quality. But if Liverpool even with Champions league can't get the top players how will Everton?

Do you rate our main targets Brandt, Luan, Kieta, Mendy, Sessegnon pereira etc

I think we will do well to get 3. I rate the full backs but don't think Sessegnon is ready to play a full season it worries me that he didn't play in Fulham's most critical game and was poor when he came on. Brandt also looks a poorer version of Sane to me, less pace, fewer goals. I would rather just buy 4 players of higher quality.

Man Ure, Man City and Chelsea are shopping at Harrords, Liverpool are shopping in Marks and Spenser and Everton are shopping in Tesco.


{Ed025's Note - its not always massive money that gets good players mark even though we have big dosh to spend, our DOF walsh is noted for getting the right players for the correct fee so a lot will depend on him, on liverpool i like the look of mendy and kieta but the others dont particularly fill me with fear, sessegnon looks a bit lightweight but could be one for the future, we will be spending a lot more than our noisy neighbours i can tell you that mate even if it is at tesco.. :)

24 May 2017 21:05:35
😄 good work 25 but I'll always be a red.


{Ed025's Note - you could always buy one of them half and half scarves ron?...dont you just hate them things..

24 May 2017 06:50:02
Morning eds just a quick one will ings be ready for pre season had high hopes when he signed just hope he can force his way back in to contention same goes for grujic hope he can also push for a spot.

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{Ed001's Note - he should be back, yes.}

24 May 2017 05:26:30
Off topic, but haven't you guys considered creating a mobile application (android, iOS)?
Maybe with chatting and other functionalities.
Just a suggestion.
Cheers!

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{Ed001's Note - we have done and had people say they would make us one, but then it never materialises.}

24 May 2017 05:30:35
While the idea of an application will be great, I am not so sure about the chatting feature.
Imagine receiving messages from Harry or worse yet Ed001 himself 😁.


{Ed001's Note - yes that would be worse getting messages from me as you would wet yourself with excitement Reet. That could be embarrassing in a public place.}

24 May 2017 05:40:44
The candor with which you describe that Ed001 makes me think similar things happened between you and Harry.
In alll seriousness, finally back posting after a long time. How are things on your end mate?


{Ed001's Note - it wasn't excitement that caused it with Harry.....

Good thanks mate, I was enjoying the peace and quiet. How are things with you?}

24 May 2017 07:28:18
Quite fine actually. Will be starting college in a few months actually.
Have some free time now so I can enlighten you all with my brightness 😀.


{Ed001's Note - they must have lowered the admission standards considerably in recent years then.}

23 May 2017 19:48:21
Hey ed001. Are we really looking to offload the likes of Ojo and Wilson? I personally thought they were well ahead of the likes of Trent and Woodburn. Especially Wilson, he's been great for the U21's. I get a bit down when looking forward to our youth coming through just to never see them get an opportunity.

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on them, the decision will be made on them this summer. I expect Ojo to go on loan.}

24 May 2017 05:43:19
I hope Huddersfield make it into the PL and we use our relationship with them to get Ward, Ojo and perhaps even a Wilson some regular PL experience to see what they can really do.

I think what we need to do is nurture a great relationship with 2-3 clubs that we can build a strong loan system to build a pathway from u23 to PL for the rising stars. Test them in a Championship or lower level PL side, but commit to hem remaining for a year at least (in return for regular playing time) to really test them in a professional league, and then commit to them being replaced with another young star in the next season and so on.

The 2-3 sides we work with will be guaranteed 2-3 young stars a year at cheap wages/ no sign on fees, we build a testing ground for our best u23s before deciding whether to integrate into regular first team and we can loan our players with confidence knowing the situation they'll be playing in and how they'll be treated.

Klopp's relationship with Wagner is a great place to start, especially since Ward has been a successful proof of concept.


24 May 2017 07:47:56
If Wilson goes on loan it should be somewhere with a big stage like Celtic (assuming they don't get Roberts back) . I think he would thrive there and maybe make a bang in the CL. Otherwise, he and Woodburn can compete as backup to Mane/ Brandt this season. They both have the ability to play at the highest level imo.

And zimbo, I agree with what you say in principle. A policy along those lines has already started in the last 2 seasons with a preference given to creating ties with clubs in the north-east/ midlands. Hence the loan players going to Preston, Blackpool, Morecambe, Tranmere, Fleetwood, Chesterfield, Barnsley, Huddersfield, Burnley, Wigan, etc. But creating ties with 2/ 3 clubs in the same league is fraught with ethical questions and should only be done on a friendly basis, e. g. the Klopp/ Wagner love in. We (or anyone) should never do what Chelsea did to Vitesse, for example. So, although it would be of benefit to have 2/ 3 players on loan at the same club and playing a style of football we like, it's not quite as simple as all that. However, it would be nice to see a system of loans that could actually benefit a few of our youngsters year in year out. I'd suggest next season Bolton back in the Championship and Blackburn in League 1 could be good options. And c'mon Huddersfield for the Prem!


24 May 2017 12:29:48
Ojo has had an injury plagued season so hasn't really had a chance to prove himself. Wilson came back this season from a bad injury and really spent the first 6 months recovering his form during which time Woodburn seized his chance. Be interesting to see what happens over the off season.


 
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