Liverpool Banter Archive October 24 2014

24 Oct 2014 20:48:28
Anyway, there is a match to be won this weekend. A win will see us move into the top 4 (surprisingly enough). So it could be worse i guess. We are not hovering in mid table! Imagine what we could doif we find a bit of form? It might only take a few good games, a couple of clean sheets and a Mario brace to get us up and running. We all know what football is like!

24 Oct 2014 23:13:51
Can you really see it happening Irish.i ve posted before that we are not in bad position thanks to most of our rivals not doing well either. The concern I have, I can't see that spark that will trigger good performances.

But we have to believe it will happen as much as it doesn`t look likely, atm.

I am always of the belief that football is 50% ability and 50% confidence. It is the same squad as last year bar 1. I hope it will happen.

What's the point in not believing we will find a spark? It doesn't help the team and probably just makes you feel worse. a bit of blissful thinking never does any harm as our opinions have basically zilch effect on what happens anyway

24 Oct 2014 20:32:47
Hello all,
This site is beyond depressing lately(much like our form).
I just wanted to say that although Big Ballo is massively annoying at the moment, I feel he is getting a bit of a hard time.
We were always going to struggle after losing Suarez. We need to stop expecting Balo to save the day.
I personally wouldn't drop him tomorrow as it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
He is, unfortunately, probably the best striking option we have right now.

I'd personally like to see him partnered with Sterling tomorrow and see what happens.
I know he's been a bit crap, but I think blaming him for the teams inadequacies is a bit much.

24 Oct 2014 20:53:02
I don't think anyone's under illusion about other areas of the team. Balotelli scoring a goal every time he touches the ball won't enable us to defend set pieces, make Jonno into a footballer again, and make Gerrard into as good a defensive midfielder as he is an attacking midfielder. And of course, any player can have a bad patch.

But Balo isn't helping himself by projecting the image of a man who does not give a fiddlers and is not willing to put any extra effort in to get over his bad patch. I think the annoyance and anger at him is justified.

I didn't say he was the answer for all the teams inadequacies. All I said was we should get off his back a little. One man doesn't make a team, and personally I would like to see him do well because like it or not he is our main striker at the moment.

Every man and his dog knows that he's not performing particularly well on his own up front, so why not try him with someone else.

You`re both right. Balo is not the reason we are leaking goals and have been for two yrs. That is BR`s problem to sort out. Everybody NEEDS to do their jobs. Balo has to do his job and try to score or play well and show the effort and attitude that proves he is capable of either scoring or assisting goals. BR has to do his job by for making a conscious effort to fix our defensive issues and agree to seek help in some areas where he is clearly deficient in communication, transfers, etc.). Until that happens, we continue to stuggle. I do agree that Balo should NOT be the scapegoat when we lose or draw because he gets NO credit either when we win.

24 Oct 2014 18:26:54
I think Balo should be dropped against hull If anything just to relieve the pressure, I really think he will come good playing in a 2 with Sturridge. Sturridge is a live wire always buzzing about the place, always giving the opposition something to think about and that will leave Balo with more space and time to do what he does best, score goals. No matter what anybody says he is goal scorer his record speaks for itself but he simply can't do it as a lone striker, so I don't think he should start again untill Sturridge is back. So tomorrow I would start with Lambert, I'll admit I'm not his biggest fan but he deserves his chance considering how bad Balo's been and if anything he will be able to help us out defensifly from corners and free kicks which are becoming increasingly worrying.

His goal scoring record is really not all that great, no idea why people seem to think it is.

What do you mean his record @inter it was 59(app) 20(goals)
City 54

What do you mean record
59(20) 54(20) 43(26) mostly as a lone striker

Take out the penalties and you may find it less impressive.

Serie A last season he scored 14, 7 of which were free kicks and penalties, leaving him with a pretty poor 7 from open play across the whole season.

At City, he had 30 in all competitions in 2.5 years. 8 were penalties, so 22 open play goals in 2.5 years.

Just wondering why did we buy him ?

If he gives between 10 to 15 this season, I`ll be chuffed to bits.

I don't understand that if Balo is not a lone striker why is he playing as one? pair him with someone or change the attack!

He will have to hit the goal first!

24 Oct 2014 14:13:22
Eds, you've rightly said that the committee was set up due to Brendan poor transfers. Now the committee have showed they are also very poor at transfers too and you have said they should be sacked.
What do you think should be the path forward regarding transfers if neither the manager nor the committee can be trusted?
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - how about getting in a manager that can make decent transfers?}

Well said ED, well said.

Ed001 who would you have replace him if he were to be sacked? Which does look increasingly likely unless things improve drastically. And I mean someone who would be willing come to our great club, and which the club could also afford. Sorry if you've answered this before.

YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head, I don't know. Bielsa if he could be persuaded to take over, that would be my choice.}

24 Oct 2014 15:43:16
Ed01 Whose the one in your mind mate?

Or get a manager who will work well with a DOF.

{Ed001's Note - that would be a head coach then really.}

Thanks for the reply Ed001. I get the feeling that if the results don't go our way over the next three or four weeks then you and the other Ed's are going to be rather busy me thinks. Also if Macca is about somewhere does he have any info on what the owners think to our current form and our start to the season?

YNWA.

Thanks Ed001, I didn't realise you were so far down the line of sacking the manager but I would agree, no defensive improvement last season now this season too says enough.

What do you think of Koeman so far at Southampton?

{Ed001's Note - so far he is doing well, but his previous record is patchy to say the least.}

This is embarrassing. If I was an outside fan looking in I'd be laughing at the fickleness on here. It gives us all a bad name.

Red Rum

You're spot on Red-Rum, you'd think we were bottom of the league reading some of the bilge on here.

I can honestly say that the Reds fans I see at work, Uni and go the match with would be equally embarassed at the level of fickleness on here.

If we win tomorrow we'll probably go top four, all this whilst bedding in players and playing without our main man up front.

My preferred option would be Simeone or De Boer but I highly doubt either would move.

Ed001 if you are around, what is your opinion on Unai Emery? Seemed to do very well at Almeira and certainly overachieved at Valencia. Bit of a dodgy time in Russia but back doing very good things at Sevilla.

Do you think he could make it in England or is he more likely someone that just knows La Liga very well?

Cheers in advance

{Ed001's Note - good question. He does seem to suit the Spanish league, the way he gets them to play, that seems to work out there. I am not convinced he could work well here, but he can work with a director of football, who could help him adapt.}

I don't really think it's fickle, the defensive issues where not addressed last window, he sold dagger and Kelly and left us with sako and toure the car crash, we have too many players who are too similar and the play is too one dimensional, Chelsea found us out last year and Rogers never learnt the lesson from that, his ego is now truly exceeding his ability, don't know what the answer is but he's spent a pile of money the club can ill afford on average players

I think it premature to call for BR's head yet, but he will have to fix the obvious problems fast.

Rudi Garcia is an excellent young manager, someone who has experience of building something, sticking with that built team and then going to do very well with a more prominent team, all whilst playing attractive football, bringing through youngsters and also working with DoF's I think.

So Ed01 and I are in agreement that a DOF is needed instead of this pathetic commitee that has done more harm than good.

Not sure Ed001 agrees with you, but I do. Was hoping we'd get Tkixi back before he went to City or perhaps somehow convinced Dein to take over. I think for a club the size of Liverpool it would be helpful.

25 Oct 2014 00:15:45
Ed001 what do you think about Mancini?

{Ed001's Note - terrible, he spends his time bickering with his players. Avoid at all costs.}

24 Oct 2014 13:24:40
Ed1 you said that the committee was formed because of the mess Rodgers made of the signings. Which signings are you talking about?

From what I heard the committee was formed in January 2013 which means Rodgers made only 2 signings of his own choice. Those were Borini and Allen. In that first window he moved on Aurelio, Kuyt, Maxi, Aquilani, Bellamy, Adam, Carroll and others. Personally, I'd say that was a decent window. It's hardly a mess is it? Please could you elaborate?

Red Rum

{Ed002's Note - The committee only really had a serious impact this season. Last summer they were feeling their way and I am aware there were only a few transfers they were involved with. This summer more so.}

Which transfers were they from last summer ed?

Red Rum

{Ed002's Note - I am not interested in apportioning blame.}

At this point in time, you have to say the Transfer Committee has not done any better either.

24 Oct 2014 15:05:07
You know, we all laugh at people who look at football manager and FIFA as a way to judge players (and rightly so). But in fairness it seems a damn sight more useful than whatever means successive transfer people have used at times

I'm sorry but am I missing something here?

Ed1 says that the committee was assembled because of Rodgers failure in the transfer market and continues to blame Rodgers for the signings yet Rodgers only signed 4 players before FSG intervened. Are Borini, Allen, Coutinho and Sturridge so bad?

I don't think Rodgers is to blame here. I think it is FSG and the committee who are to blame for buying young/inexperienced/inadequate players and expecting Rodgers to work miracles with them.

I think all this criticism is unfair and I wouldn't blame Rodgers if he walked away to be honest.

Red Rum

{Ed001's Note - what about Sahin and failing to use him? What about trying to force out Henderson? You are completely wrong if you think criticism of his transfers is not due. Rodgers made a mess in the market, you seem to have forgotten the signing of Assaidi too. Easy to do as he signed them then never played them. He was also the man who chose Aspas and Alberto. Hardly a success in the market.}

The commitee was a horrible idea. A case of too many cooks spoiling the soup. Get someone who is well-versed in transfer dealings who will work w/ BR (or put pressure on BR to work w/ him). It works at many clubs in Europe BUT only if both along w/ the scouting dept, are on the same page. Never heard of a transfer commitee and in my view, they should b sacked especially if they are the people who bought some of these players this summer.

24 Oct 2014 16:51:59
I thought Sahin refused to play no 10?

Wasn't Assaidi already in place before Rodgers was appointed? Even so it doesn't really matter. We will still get back the money paid for him.

Sahin wanted to dictate where he played and whined like a bitch when he left. Glad he was just a loanee.

Aspas was a cheap back-up for SAS as Borini wanted to go out on loan.

Henderson wasn't up to standard when Rodgers offered him to Fulham. In hindsight It's easy to say that it would have been a mistake.

Alberto is a youngster that could well prove to be a good signing in years to come. I think it is a bit hypocritical to judge Rodgers for writing off Hendo when you are doing the same to Alberto.

I'm sorry ed but those are poor reasons to sack the manager. I think the positives out weigh the negatives by far, but it seems people easily forget the positives when going through a difficult time. Although I'm defending Rodgers I agree that some of his signings are questionable, but they don't warrant his sacking.

The best way to resolve this issue is to let Rodgers build a team that he wants. If it doesn't work then sack him, but at least give him a chance and if FSG want to continue to buy young players, buy them and keep them on loan as they have done with Origi. If need be get them on a 2 year loan so they aren't being sent from club to club. They need to stop giving Rodgers players to work with who he doesn't want in the team. Not only does it put him under pressure to play them, but creates a difficult working relationship with the players who are left out.

Red Rum

24 Oct 2014 17:48:59
I think we all try and forget Assaidi on a daily basis

Assaidi was BR third signing after Borini and Allen although I think he was identified under Kenny's tenure. Good post though and I totally agree that BR should be given the time to put his own team together and judge him then.

Whatever reason you want to consider the committee was formed, it's hard to see a scenario where it's existence is something that pleases Rodgers and I can only imagine he was not in favor.

I would say BR is more to blame than the Committee. The Committee's first real big job was to supplement the squad from where we were last season, particularly the replacement of Suarez. In that aspect, they have come out of it with eggs on their face and comes across as extremely naive.

BR, however, was I am sure, the one to make the final decision on whether a player comes or goes, and to put all of the blame on the Committee when they only started in force this summer, is wrong.

{Ed002's Note - BR is as you would expect the driver. A couple of players at least have been the choice of other members of the committee but they would have needed to persuade BR of the players being suitable. I don't see any benefit of dragging this out.}

There lies the problem. You CANNOT blame a coach for poor perfs if the players screwing up are the ones that were forced on him that he doesn`t want. If he has issues in the transfer market, there a 3 ways of fixing it. Either he shows he can cut it in the TW or be forced or willing to work with a DOF or if things don`t improve, he gets the sack. It`s that simple, IMO.

{Ed002's Note - That is how football works.}

24 Oct 2014 12:21:47
Dear fellow reds. This is just an opinion.

EVERY manager, EVERY player, and EVERY team is not, cannot, and does not have to be perfect EVERY game.

Neither Barcelona nor real Madrid won La Liga last year.

Man City can't get into the knock-out stages of the Champion's League.

I understand you are hurting, but this is vitriol, not reason.

Managers who are floundering at the bottom of the table get the sack.

A BLIP is not the time for sackings, its time to get behind your team, support your players, be PROUD of who we are.

WE ARE LIVERPOOL

{Ed001's Note - surely the blip is the run at the end of last season? So perhaps it could be said that a blip is no reason to keep a manager.....}

Well said Stoneage, the man deserves some time without all this bull s##t speculation regarding his future, at the very least he's earned that right.

By all means discuss the merits of formations and personell, but talk of him going in the next few months are garbage. Some days I think I've ventured onto the Newcastle-Rumours site by mistake.

24 Oct 2014 12:52:54
This is not vitriol. Rodgers was brought in to win FSG the Premier League - they are hard-faced businessmen and as such are totally cold-blooded and ruthless. They will not accept this season being worse than last. We were lucky against QPR. Our EPL form is such that we are going to struggle to finish in the top 4 if we don't start a very prolonged winning streak and start it very soon. We have only played 8 games so far and of those we have lost 3 and drawn one winning only 4 (a 50% win rate). We are already 9 points adrift of top spot. After 8 games last season we were third, 2 points behind the leaders, having lost only once. In fact we only lost 6 times in the whole season and it wasn't until the start of December that we lost our third game.

24 Oct 2014 12:58:15
I don't think the why we started the season is a blip that is going to go away soon, its a bit longer term than that. But still think calling for the manager's sacking is pre-mature. We should wait till end of season and see where we are. Also we should n't be putting all the blame on him. To me the source of this problem is the bad transfers this summer , we lost Suarez and we did n't replace like for like, But; No one here (and I really do mean no one -including eds) know what happened during the transfer window , considering its a committee so there is a possibility that BR targets might have been different -- maybe these were his targets -- the point is no can know for sure.
Lets wait till Summer before we talk about new manager

Ed is right mate. Aside from one 11 game winning run, when have we ever looked like a good side? Last season we played good football in spells and looked like a young attacking side that just lacked consistency. This season we have an older team and lack the attacking flair (and no that's not because of Suarez; how could that possibly affect Coutinho and Gerrards form etc). The whole team looks devoid of any philosophy or tactical plan.

We seem to be gradually improving and i suppose things like injuries have gone against us. Still though, in over 80 games, Rodgers has strung together a good 20 or so at the back end of last season (particularly that unreal 11 win streak). Really though, we've been good but not great aside from that.

I would argue though that this suggests he does have it in him to take us to the next level and perhaps we just need to be patient. Rodgers is still young himself and so is the majority of our squad. It'd just be nice to see our beautiful football back, even if we're not winning every game.

Just in reference to a post further up this thread, i'm pretty sure if BR got Liverpool into the Champions League for the next 5 seasons without winning the league, FSG would not sack him. Yes, the fans want to win leagues and cups, but the financial difference between finishing 1st and 2nd in the league isn't a huge amount, so as long as BR is meeting top 4 targets, I doubt he'll be sacked (at least not for performance-related issues). On the other hand, it is starting to wind me up that he's just not altering the formation at all, when performances have not been great.

When have we ever looked like a good side under Brendan:
2012/13 After purchasing coutinho and Sturridge we ended the season on an 8 game unbeaten run, and were playing some really good football. This included a 4 game ban on Suarez.
at the beginning of 13/14 without Suarez we started with 3 straight victories against stoke villa and united.
Infact BR had set a target I believe of 2 points per game so we'd finish the season on 76 points and a likely champs league spot, By the halfway stage we were BANG ON that 2 points per game mark. I would say that's not a blip

I am not so sure FSG would be so lenient towards BR after the promises he made to them.

STONEAGE.sometimes I feel your living in a stone age, these defensive calamities are not a blip they've been going on for well. .over 18 months to 2 years and they don't seem to be getting any better at it, something doesn't sit right but hey it most definitely isn't a BLIP.

I would suggest that finishing second in the league last year would prove that we were a good side. I would also suggest that Suarez was a massive part of that reason. I don't see the need to look for other reasons or ideas when the facts are staring you right in the face. It was up to Brendan and Co to sort this issue out but they have failed to do so.

24 Oct 2014 15:45:13
We are far from a mere blip.

24 Oct 2014 11:38:44
ED01 - I see you commented on the first goal recently - no DM tracker. Not sure if I've missed an earlier comment.

I agree. If you watch it, CR fronts up to SG who is jockeying him 10 yards outside the area. CR pops it off to JR and SG goes to the ball and JR - who already had a man near him. SG completely failed to realise the danger of CR running beyond him.

Now, given CR's pace, I doubt he would have got near him, and I don't know if many DM's would have either. It's a class goal.

ALL goals can be prevented, if defenders are in the right place, but good forwards make themselves space.

{Ed001's Note - thank you, glad someone else sees that! Gerrard should have tracked him, but he doesn't have the instinct for defending that is needed to play that role. It wouldn't matter about Ronaldo's pace, if he was close Ronaldo would have been unable to get into his stride, it is difficult to sprint properly when an opponent is touch tight to you. It might not have prevented the goal, but it would have made it a difficult finish instead of the easy one Ronaldo ended up with.}

Thanks ED- mostly agree, but you must have a real downer on CR7 (and I think he isa g*bs**te) if you think it was an easy finish. Perhaps easier than it could have been. LOL

{Ed001's Note - it was easy, he was within 6 yards of the goal with just the keeper to beat, so it doesn't get much easier. It was a good finish, but it was unchallenged and so easy.}

I'll agree stevie is at some fault, but Moreno(I think) has to be closer to JR to stop and make CR think about passing it, there's too much space given, hence stevie goes to close him. Then Skrtels attempt at a block is non existant. There are several things wrong with the goal.
Also he shot from 12 yards out.and like i said, should have also had skrtel to beat who pout in 0 effort.

Absolutely spot on Ed. I said the very same thing when I got home and watched the replay. This has happened throughout the season, besides the set piece woes, it's the ball watching starting with Gerrard in front of the back four who as a consequence, creates a split second of uncertainty within players behind and we're being punished for it. If we had Matic, we'd improve over night. He'd provide defensive cover for the centre halfs allowing a higher line with full backs pushing on. This would allow the centre halfs to split when needed as they'd have the correct type of cover. The higher line would get the midfield more involved and the channel running might get a better service into Mario as a lone striker. As much as I hate to say it, in my opinion Gerrards the problem.

{Ed001's Note - it is difficult for most Liverpool fans to criticise Gerrard, but he has to be judged on what he does now, not what he did in the past.}

Gerrard has not tracked a man the whole season. Part of the reason we play Allen and Henderson either side of Gerrard is because they can help the full-backs out when needed.

The very same happened against City and there's been others. Gerrards mindset defending an oncoming attacking player is as if he's on the training ground in the middle of a circle of players chasing the ball while they pass it to each other. I think it was the third goal against City, the amount of space he conceded by following the ball out on their right was criminal. We've seen how he can effect things playing further up front behind the forwards when Rodgers changed it against West Brom so why not start him on the bench as utd did with Giggs. I tell you why because Rodgers has overlooked a proper defensive mid in the transfer window, it's another one of his blind spots. So what does Rodgers do, starts Gerrard further forward against QPR because of the success against WBA, however Stevie still looks lost so he changes it back. He brings Cout on who changes the game against a QPR so after dropping 3 or 4 times this season Cout gets the nod against Madrid. Rodgers blows with the wind, he's doubled up in the transfer window and improved nothing.

Skrtel definitely could have done very little more bar a diving header perhaps? The way he was running he couldn't get his leg up quick enough as ronaldo struck it so early.
And if he tried it would have had to be almost a karate kick and an almost definite red card and peno wwhich wouldn't have been much good?

24 Oct 2014 15:48:50
I don't think you could keep a player such as Ronaldo quiet long. He would score no matter whose at the opposite end.

Ed001, I am the first person to say SG is not doing a good job as a HM, But I think it is wrong to point the finger at him instead of the two CD's. They were both caught out of position and not anticipated and reacted well.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are quite simply wrong on that, the onus is on the midfielder to track the run.}

It tells you all you need to know when teams like villa and West Ham openly admit to targeting gerrard

Ed01, agree again sg didn't track his man, its a give and go, cds don't get a tackle or intercept either, and this is madrids best goal of three! The other two, fgfs how bad does it need to get before something is done!,

24 Oct 2014 10:57:10
Hi Eds, so what is the story with Suso? It seems likely that he will leave in January, but on a free! That's crazy. There are a lot of BR decisions I don't understand (if we are looking for a replacement/back-up keeper we could do a lot worse than Reina) but BR has publically stated that he sees Suso as a great talent, he had a good season on loan in Spain, yet BR never plays him and is willing to just let him go? Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - he just doesn't have the faith in his ability to trust him on the pitch. Not even as a late substitute.}

Ed001, why is BR being so ignorant about bringing in a defensive coach, surely, if the fans can see that there is a requirement for one (or two even), than why can't he? it's plain for everyone to see, and all the other clubs know precisely how to get at our defence. Added to that, our GK needs to be replaced quickly. Trapp is a good shout (from the Rumours pages).

It's also plain to see that the tactics and formation employed this season thus far have not worked. I wonder sometimes whether BR is actually working on resolving the issues, because for the fans, there seems to be no change. How long is he willing to continue with these changes before he realises that its not helping matters, and go back to playing the kind of football played last season, at least to some extent?

Essentially, we need leaders in all departments (I'd love to have 11 leaders on the pitch :-)), but we have none right now, well, maybe one (only one) in SG (but for how much longer?) and Hendo imo is getting there, slowly but surely.

{Ed001's Note - he is stubborn and thinks he knows best. Stubborn is good, to a degree, but he has taken it too far this time. Too proud to admit he needs help and that is a big mistake.}

Stubborness is ONLY good if you have proved your worth over a period of time which BR has NOT. As a result if he keeps being obstinate, it will be his undoing.

24 Oct 2014 10:21:55
so we might sell Ballo in January .I would like to know who the xxxxx would be stupid enough to buy him.

24 Oct 2014 10:35:40
I would like to know who would be stupid enough to support his purchase and sing Mario songs before he's even scored a goal.

I'll tell you who, a section of Liverpool supporters making us look a shower of clowns.

Support no matter what!! y.n.w.a we will get better.

24 Oct 2014 11:21:14
So davey, lyverbird08 is right on this one. New players coming in deserve support no matter what. Fans sitting there doing nothing and shouting abuse at players struggling in a match are the ones that make us look stupid.

Not saying any player is immune from criticism or that Balotelli should get away with how he's been, but support every one of the lads on the pitch every time they step on it

24 Oct 2014 09:51:51
The time has come in my opinion lads. We can't cope without a strike partnership with a cheesy acronym. We can't put this off anymore. We need to play B&B. Balotelli and Borini; make us proud lads (and poached egg on toast wouldn't go amiss either).

24 Oct 2014 10:15:47
I would be just as happy with L&B, even though I used to be a marlboro man

What about m&ms
Mario markovic sterling/sturridge

24 Oct 2014 09:33:07
Do you see balotelli leaving in jan?

24 Oct 2014 10:34:03
Not if I close my eyes

24 Oct 2014 08:23:45
For the banter page. What do you guys honestly think about players swapping jerseys at half time? Is the media blowing it out proportion, if it was any player other than Balotelli would it get the same attention? I found it unbelievable that at press conferences yesterday other premier league managers were asked their opinion, the media are quite obviously creating the storm. Would it have been an issue if Liverpool were winning 3 mil at half time? Personally I don't care about it, it is irrelevant to me. I think it was ill timed but it doesn't influence the outcome of a game. I'd rather that the focus was on what the team are doing on the field and the obvious deterioration of what was already a poor defence

I struggle to see why anyone would care about shirt swapping if we were up 3 MIL at half time. that's like what? 66667 goals per min?

on a serious note though, i don't mind doing players swapping shirt, its just that doing that at half time is kinda not right is it? i mean you should be focused on your football as there's another half to play.

yes media has aided in making this a big issue, but were not really in a good position are we? there will be blame game going around until we get better. what if Pepe was the one that actually asked for it?

Balotelli isn't really making it right now, but i do kinda pity him for all the focus on him, and everything single thing he does/doesnt do.

{Ed001's Note - it really is silly to even mention no one would care if we were 3 nil up anyway, the point was he should have been focused on the game BECAUSE we were 3 nil down. Surely that is obvious?}

24 Oct 2014 09:39:10
Yeah the media will do that when it involves 1 of the biggest clubs in the world, have to laugh at big fat Sam he couldn't resist a dig at Liverpool"Brendan has more to worry about on the pitch".Yeah were playing awful and still have as many points as his latest team.

Listen I'm no fan of the media but what Mario did annoyed the hell out of me. Giving away your shirt at half time when you're 3-0 down is symbolic of giving up. It didn't happen in Istanbul and it should never happen when wearing our shirt.
What if the fans gave up at half time? Swapped their allegiances with the Real fans? What if the fans decided to give Mario's wage to the Real players instead?
It's outrageous and I don't care what the media says. Mario is not a team player and he never will be. He needs to be sold in January.

24 Oct 2014 10:52:13
I don't play for liverpool, however i wear my shirt with pride. i'm proud to be a supporter of lfc, i agree that what mario did at half time was wrong. we were 3-0 down i didn't take my shirt of and give it the wife, and i don't suspect any fan decided that's it i give up heres my shirt. wearing the shirt of lfc is not just on the outside but its on the inside as well. when you sign for lfc you should never you give all you have you sweat the red of our colours you never play with your head down or give in mario.

23 Oct 2014 23:50:47
Great offer has come through for Heritage Events, get on it !!
Be involved in a detailed recreation of a genuine great Liverpool European nights. All you have to do is to sign for Liverpool Heritage renactment events and be involved in a recreation of a great Liverpool nights in Europe . Hear the singing, see the banners, and wear the shirt. Pretend to play against genuine European team. Swap shirts at half time if you are a bit tired. Have a laugh and a joke with genuine stars like Ronaldo during the game. How much does it cost ? nothing we will pay you up to ninety grand a week for the experience!!
Fancy being a manager? come on in our mock up press room and say you are really proud of your team getting thrashed at home. Pretend you have a clue about sending a team out to play a proper match. No experience? Not won anything? Not a problem just turn up and spout some PR baloney in a soothing voice. Will you be a bit ashamed given the hard won history of European achievement that you have sent out a bunch of kids and no marks? No need to worry !
Don’t forget this is not real European football so no real consequences just turn up and have fun !

Congratulations, in a week of pathetic, short sighted and embarassing posts, we have found a winner.

I dunno Walton Red, don't count your chickens just yet. I haven't seen Harry give his verdict yet ;)

Fair point Adam, though I don't reckon even Harry's embarrassing enough to label our team 'kids and no marks', the majority of who are the lads that took us to second place last year, whilst playing our best football in decades.

Mind you, you never know with Harry.

I realise it doesn't have the wit and insight of your pearls of wisdom and I agree kids and no marks was perhaps phrase to far. However my point was that having watched the reds for 48 years I come from a generation that didn't get overly excited about coming second ( or right a book about it ??)

We use to win stuff

I thought the performance was a disgrace and shamed our proud tradition. Do you think Rafa would have allowed Real to pee all over us.
I like Brendan but he is two trick pony who was lucky enough to have the worlds greatest player on fire in his team last year.

He has won nothing (fact!) as Rafa would say and in my view ( and Carra's) not as good as Rafa who got to two finals with half the resource's Brendan had. He is not as good as Houllier or Kenny if you are judging him on winning stuff

Brendan end of last season and this season has not a clue about how to put thing right. Plus he is lousy judge of players and is ego will not allow him to buy experienced players
who might see through him.

Redmarx, I've supported Liverpool for nearly fourty years, so am also used to seeing us winning things. Yet for the large majority of the last twenty years i've also become accustomed to watching some utter dirge (other than the odd season here and there).

Rodgers hasn't won anything, yet, but give him a chance FFS, we nearly won the league last year, only finally losing out on the last day.

All those managers you mentioned may have won something, but we were left watching utter rubbish under all of them, hence their departure.

24 Oct 2014 00:09:59
Just thought I'd stop by and say hello.
Things don't seem to be going well, guys?
If you ask me it's Balotelli. Why buy a static statue that rarely moves as a replacement for the liveliest of livewires? Is it me? Is that lost on you lot? Berahino (the west brom lad) or someone like him and you lot would be flying! But Balotelli? Not the right style for a fast paced quick breaking liverpool team (doesn't offer any consistent movement and has slowed you right down) - and that's not even to mention the baggage! Silly signing IMO. he's halted development in its tracks! Some of you will scorn this post but for me the type if striker defines your team. It's the most vital position on the pitch, example:
Peter Crouch = long ball team
Nando Torres = hit you on the break style
Etc etc.
Liverpool don't know what style they have with Balotelli up there.

I think you'll find all of us (or at least a large number) are wondering the exact same thing.

Totally agree Everton1, I'd rather play Borini up there, with him at least you know you're getting a lot of movement and if he's not banging in the goals he's creating the space for others to do so.

24 Oct 2014 10:37:06
Totally agree Everton1. It doesn't make any sense and it's not the first time it has happened. We seem to be completely useless in the transfer market.