Liverpool Banter Archive September 24 2012
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24 Sep 2012 23:35:13
Not wanting to say I told you so, but I said yesterday that Kelly's injury looked nasty and possibly worse than Agger. Shame for the lad.
What i failed to understand is why he didnt pass the ball ASAP...brhaving like enrique...more over near the defence where we have to pass it fast....goodluck with his injury,he will learn a good lesson
Timo the red
I have a lot of issues from the last month. I believe in BR vision for lfc, but not his methods. I think Kenny had vision for lfc but wasn't given time. Give BR 4 years and he may do something. Give a man like Kenny 4 years and he was knock SAF off his perch.
1- Fixture list this first month
I would of looked at the fixture list and said I want draws against WBA, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and a Win against Sunderland. So I'm looking for 7 points and by drawing with big teams, we would be keeping pace at the end of the season. This is something Rafa would of done.
2- roy hodgson sam allardyce, Style Percentage Football, Battling Football
I know we don't have the players, I know we don't have the time to play attractive football. So why write a 180 pages of crap and hand it over to the owners and then show the owners what BR style is play is going embarrass the football club.
I would of drilled the players to be tight in defense and used a big man like Carroll to battle for me for the first month. They could of shipped him out in January if he wanted, but I didn't agree with him letting a England international leave the club. Also he may love Joe Allen the way Roy Hodgon love Christian Poulsen. I understand he wants to employ his friends, but Allen is at the same level as Charlie Adams. Adams has a better range of passing, but Allen can track back. Why let Charlie Adams leave the club now? He could of left in January too if Allen had worked out and all was rosy ect. Joe Cole and Carragher is on more money than those two above.
I would of battled for the win for the first month. Rome was not built in a day. The real season begins this weekend. The new style of play should of been introduced after the man utd game.
Injuries.
Rope a dope Ali syndrome, Liverpool attack, attack, leave themselves open and over committed in tackles equals injuries, sending offs and goals being conceded.
Their play has to have levels, changes in formation. EG attacking then defensive. No team can consist of full on attack for 90minutes and expect to win. It's madness against better players, because they will just pick you off.
Clearly you have zero intelligence on football.
Roy Hodgson battling football? Give me a break, that really worked out for us.
This time last season Carroll wasn't fit to wear the shirt and now he is some kind of a god?
All what you say is very amusing.
What are you talking about??
24 Sep 2012 22:37:28
Hi Eds does jonjo shelvey 3 match ban counts as only barclays premiership matches or does the capital one cup is included in the 3 match ban? Thanks {Ed001's Note - all first team domestic games count, including cup games.}
24 Sep 2012 22:20:56
Hello BR, hope this you read this.
well done for sundays game, result wasnt the best but video footage will always prove that we were cheated out of 3pts yet again! hay ho!
on thursday, please use YESIL and im sure he will show you he is ready.
good luck and hope saturday is a good day for us.
jim
The way forward is not blaming others
LFC must control its own Destiny
24 Sep 2012 22:15:10
With the injuries we've had to borini, agger, and Kelly are we eligible or an emergency loan?
24 Sep 2012 23:34:03
I'm fairly sure emergency loan only applies for 'keepers because it's a specialist position. Outfield positions can be better covered by square pegs.
Besides which, we have six senior fit defenders (Jonno, Carra, Coates, Skrtel, Enrique, Wilson) plus Wisdom and Robinson from the reserves. Don't think we could make a case.
- Something Red -
24 Sep 2012 21:30:49
Well although we lost i have to say there were some real positives with certain LFC players and Very nice to see Suso get some playing time.
I said preseason that i though we would have a poor start and said i didnt think our first 10 games would be great in terms of results but that i would rather not make top 4 but see a real charge during second half than do well and then dip..obviously rather finish top 4 also!
Anyway, not gloating at all by saying that was my prediction as many said the same and it was fairly likely considering change of style etc etc.
Personally i think we are looking better with each game and will start to win some games now. I am really happy we have Rodgers and think he is the right man................shame about Kelly though
Gareth
24 Sep 2012 21:14:40
Ed...my fear now is that despite BR being an excellent coach I don't think as yet he's as good a tactician as the top managers in the PL. That fact is going to cost him the job unless we start winning points fast. At the moment, I can only but laud BR and the players for their efforts but in terms of points we way below expectations even if these expectations weren't high. I also fear that with the injuries we have now and our thin squad, the chances of improved results are looking slim. Ed on the point of BR not yet being a smart tactician, would you agree with my view? Thanks and keep up the good work. {Ed019's Note - He won't be sacked this season unless we get relegated haha}
Why was Kenny sacked? He didn't play this bad with against man utd. Plus Kenny won the Carling Cup and got us into Europe. {Ed002's Note - Dalglish was sacked for two reasons that have been dealt with plenty of times.}
Sorry Ed, but FSG said Kenny was sacked because of poor league results. Hope BR is watching his back or his project will end up like AVB's at Chelsea
24 Sep 2012 20:57:59
Hi eds, sorry if this has been dealt with but is there remaining interest in Leandro Damiao? I think we should pull out the stopsnto get this lad in
NextGenRed {Ed019's Note - Doubt it}
If we have the money and he's still willing to join us then we really need to bring him in...Damiao could be the clinical striker we're missing
Chelsea should get this lad. he is great.
24 Sep 2012 20:54:48
Hi Eds, great job keep up the good work just wanted to know is jonjo shelvey eligable for the capital one cup or is he banned for the game against west brom for his red card yesterday? thanks (Ansar) {Ed019's Note - No}
24 Sep 2012 20:52:45
Eds forgive me for my ignorance but who do we play midweek if anyone?
irelands own {Ed019's Note - West Brom away}
24 Sep 2012 20:46:46
Hello Eds,
can you please define targets for Jan? Rodgers is looking for a striker as I understand. Can you name any players he is looking at?
thanks {Ed019's Note - Too early}
24 Sep 2012 20:22:19
Hey eds,
First off Brilliant site. Sorry to state the obvious but we clearly need a finisher ASAP.
I'm far from in the know so was hoping you guys could shed some light on january goal scoring targets.
Any info?
Thanks in advance {Ed019's Note - Too early to say}
24 Sep 2012 20:34:34
Lawrenson is obsessed with having a dig at the club. Shelveys red card definitely had something to do with there players surrounding the ref. Evans should have had the same punishment as Shelvey.
I really don't think Halsey is a premiership ref I have seen him a few times and makes a lot of mistakes.
Mighty reds
I love LFc and do not like Man utd at all...however, Shelvey should have been sent off and yes Evans should have gone too...other than that the ref had a good game i thought
Gareth
That was never a penalty in a million years, Gareth - how can you say Halsey had a good game?
cozinoz
The ref had a good game Gareth?? Either you own a guide dog, or your last name must be neville. mark halsley's decisions were complete howlers. It would be a lot easier to take if we had lost by a completely rampant utd on the day and much, much better refereeing; unfortunately that wasn't the case.
Cuchulainn's Hounds.
24 Sep 2012 20:18:49
just gone on lfctv website the 25 man squad for premier games does not have borini or suso in 25 man squad. 4 goalies also no wisdom surely this is wrong . can somebody shed any light. {Ed001's Note - seriously? I hope you are joking!}
Yes but there are 5 spaces left. I'm assuming by premier league logo next to the players name? yep only 20 named
24 Sep 2012 21:19:10
Oh dear.
Right lad, anyone under 21 doesnt need to be named.
Better leaving spaces open incase we do bring in over 21s during the season.
Benny baller
They`re under 21 so dont get listed in main 25man squad
Have you been asleep for the last three seasons ...........
24 Sep 2012 20:05:30
"I don't think he went for the ball," the United manager said. "The boy's gone in really dangerously and I don't think there's any other decision the referee could have given. He was trying to blame me, I suppose. Once he looks at it he can apologise if he likes. I think he should do that."
Well, here we go:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/8015368309_37ab580c42_o.gif
So then, looked at it, and Fergie is 100% wrong in his statement. Jonjo is looking at the ball before, during and after the tackle. He goes in 1 footed and directly puts his foot on the ball. Meanwhile Evans goes in two footed, studs up, then screams and cries like a girlie man.
I await Fergie's apology, I think he should do that.
SpudRed
Actually i think Shelvey should have gone. Maybe utd should have been given red too but i cannot complain about shelveys
Gareth
24 Sep 2012 21:29:26
Before the game Fergie said he never gets a penalty at Anfield, What happens Halsey gives Utd a penalty. The last time Utd had a penalty at Anfield was 4 or 5 years ago.......The ref was Halsey, say no more
Bobbinred
I think straight red for evasn 2 feet of the floor, i guess shelv also would have gone, however regardless of who gos and who doesnt, evans is made to look like a pussy, shelv one footed, evans dives in 2 footed studs up, shelv gets up like nothing evans is crying on the floor, looks pathetic, should be ashamed of himself
24 Sep 2012 19:55:56
what has happened with adam morgan coming through , we are creating chances that is begging for a goal hanger to be gambling at the back post,
any fans calling for rodgers to go is a fool, imo we made some shocking signing with damien comolli at the helm, king kenny was working with those men i am sure to take the pressure off him ... good to see him back at the academy, time to get rafa back at the club in some role scouting in europe,
24 Sep 2012 19:43:58
I have seen a few rumours floating around but nothing official about the anfield refurb...is that the same as everyone or have i missed a big announcment?
All those calling for BR's head need to go and support the coz we don't need persons following us.
The two people who went to the manc end at the end of the game need to be banned for life!
Love to see more of suso in the team whilst borini is out and downing should play lb while kelly is out
heres to our first win in carrot crunching land....come on you red men
24 Sep 2012 19:43:12
i am still thinking, what a.caroll could hv done in this match. His mere presence would mean 2 defender on him. With wingers like sterling!/ suso.i dont no wat would happen n also with his work rate. On another note, if BR make them Pressurize opponent like mad man, he will wear them and one match we will win n lose the another one ,/he must know how to kill a game,nt just pass,pass, press,press. Swansea would hv been champions . Looking forward to our first win at norwich .
96
Budashow
24 Sep 2012 22:19:31
I honestly don't think Carroll would've won us any of our first 5 matches.
People are talking about him like he was some sort of prolific goalscorer, but he (relative to the amount of time he played) had as many misses as anyone in our team.
- Something Red -
I am imagining what Rush would do!
I am imagining what Fowler would do!
I am imagining what Toshack would do!
I am imagining what Dalglish what do!
I am imaging what Keegan would do!
THey have all left Liverpool so now I am imagining what Cameron Diaz would do if I gave her the chance!! (or even Ed002)
Dutchmal
24 Sep 2012 19:15:47
Hello eds I've read that Walcott will remain as a target in January for us. In your opinion how likely is it that we will sign him. I am not claiming to bein the know just asking how accurate these rumours I've read are.
Iced red {Ed002's Note - We know from Macca that there was interest although I don't know how far that went. As such I guess he could still be a target. However, whilst he sees himself as a centre forward, I am not sop sure others do.}
24 Sep 2012 21:26:56
I do ed002, i think walcott is a excellent finisher and if we did sign him id like him CF :)
Benny baller
24 Sep 2012 19:09:04
mr brendan i dont understand how you do it making we fans support when you keep losing...i remember under hodson i wanted him gone after 3games lol..to me i dont blame him he inherited a very average squad and was not given enough money to buy quality players..
The difference between Hodgson and Rodgers is that Roy played 1980s football with an older average age team with no sight on the future while Rodgers has us playing good football with a much younger team and a plan for a great future. I dont blame Roy either, he does what it says on the tin. We are only 5 games into a revolution. Forget about the battles, it is about who wins the war.
Andy K
Hodgson seemed to have used Graham Taylor as his tactical guru.....Rogers plays the game how we love it to be played hence he gets a long length of rope while results aren't going our way
cozinoz
24 Sep 2012 19:07:27
Just an idea (dream) would live to sign coutinho and play him in the middle of the front 3 he has great skill,awareness of other players & finishing ability which would be an advantage when opposing teams play deep & narrow,when pace alone can't be used then skill & trickery is needed,always thought that was the advantage of a fowler over an Owen....really impressed with the young players yesterday!keep the faith jft96 & may the red force be with you
Paisley's genius
24 Sep 2012 18:50:33
has anyone noticed when kelly is playing really well he gets injured for a while and gets dropped again...only a few times would you hear fergie say his team were poor even after they win.thats how good we were...i dont know why everyone is panicking after 5games we just need at least 6points in our next 3games we would be fine....just remember the major fact about the epl.....its not how bad you start its how well you finish.YNWA
Thing is we always raise our game against united , cant believe the amount of crosses we put in again , big andy would have had a field day
24 Sep 2012 22:21:29
I have noticed that about Kelly actually, it's his third or fourth lengthy injury since his debut, and I think he had a couple as a kid. Bit worried he could be injury prone.
I raised it as a concern when people were suggesting he play every game in the summer, I think.
- Something Red -
24 Sep 2012 18:48:01
I agree that shelvey had to go into the tackle with Evans but he went in to hurt Evans where as Evans won the ball. I find it hard to hear some Liverpool fans still say he should of been sent off when Jamie redknapp and mark lawrenson both said he deserved it. Maybe you should listen to your ex players.
Redknapp said that if Shelvey deserved red then so did Evans. And so did Van Persie for that matter. It's about fairness. Anyway, thanks for your input sir alex. Only you would claim to know what players are thinking - of course, united players are purer than the driven snow...
Lawro & redknapp=hinge & bracket or whinge broke it
"Evans won the ball"...
Yes, with 2 feet. Completely illegal tackle!
Shelvey went in with one foot. However, he didn't go for the ball because he wouldn't have got there first. He went to block the ball (which is what happened). His feet (studs) did not make contact with Evans.
Not going to argue about Shelvey's being a red card but Evans shouldn't have got away with going in like that.
Maybe you should listen mate he said they both should of got reds or yellows don't hear you say anything about the Suarez penalty the Valencia dive the van Persie tackle and any other general disgraceful ref decisions
24 Sep 2012 22:12:22
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/8015368309_37ab580c42_o.gif
Jonjo is looking at the ball before, during and after the tackle. He goes in 1 footed and directly puts his foot on the ball. Meanwhile Evans goes in two footed, studs up, then screams and cries like a girlie man. No intent to hurt Evans, just fierce intent to win the ball.
Nowadays, however, you can't tackle with any amount of ferocity. The more experience players learn that and pull out of challenges like that. Lessens the game if you ask me. And Evans wasn't hurt afterwards. There was more impact on Shelvey's shin by Evans than contact on Evans at all. Shelvey, at 20 years old, is simply more of a man than Evans.
24 Sep 2012 18:44:17
What does everyone think of playing Stevie up top whilst Borini is out, this isn't a knee jerk reaction after his goal yesterday, just simply think he could do a better job there than anyone else we have at this moment.
Would love to see this;
----------------Reina--------------
Johnson--skrtel----Coates--Enrique
Allen----Sahin
Suso
Suarez---Gerrard--sterling
Sub: jones, carragher, Robinson, Henderson, assaidi, downing, yesil
Thoughts?
GLfc
I would go with that! Although...would like to see Yesil too!
K.Bennett
24 Sep 2012 18:43:42
was watching lfc earlier dya reckon berger still got his boots
avoo
24 Sep 2012 18:42:37
Has anyone actually seen Yesil play. Everyone seems to be dubbing an 18 year old who doesn't understand English and has had no time at all to adapt to Rodger's game... Don't overhype him. That never helps.
I saw him play LOADS at bayern laver's youth team and like 5 or so times for the first team there(age 18). He's one of the furture ones for Germany. Reminds of a young messi!
AnfieldUSA
24 Sep 2012 18:39:38
Well that game was a shocker ! Why is it that when it all goes teets up for us we do it in spectacular style ! A sending off, a penalty, two bad injuries and losing to Man Utd who played worse than us even with 12 men on the pitch (they were so bad they needed all the help they could get !). I thought Shelvey was unlucky to get sent off and I think his reaction when he came off towards Elma Fudd was in reference to Fudd's comment that they never seem to get any big decisions at Anfield. It's a shame because it killed the game. The penalty was an easy one to give and I thought in spite of that Johnson had a good game. I have to say that so far this season it still feels like groundhog day for me... If we had a 20-25 goal striker we would be more consistent. I said it all last season and it looks like I will be saying it again this season. I don't really see much difference with this team to last seasons...apart from more youngsters having a go but then even KK did that for the rest of Woy's ill fated season and didn't see it through in the next. Hopefully by the end of this month, against the so called lesser teams, the table will tell a different story, but if we don't pick up some much needed points Henry's trigger finger could be getting twitchy... Whatever happens I will support till I die... YNWA Tobiwan
24 Sep 2012 17:27:24
To sum up what happened yesterday...
Fergie FC couldn't get the ball, Liverpool were making them look stupid. So they started sulking and crying to Fergie 'daddy they don't want to let us play with the ball" so daddy winks to the Ref and the next 50/50 tackle he sends a Liverpool guy off, there you go.... but then liverpool score and are still dominating the possession. So two winks later Johnsons breath sends a full grown man sprawling like he was a 60 pound ballerina in a hurricane.. You'd swear he was pushed by the Big Show...
THE BOYS WERE FANTASTIC. THEY FINALLY CATCHING ON TO THE WAY BR WANTS THEM TO PLAY (Which is not give the ball away stupidly the way Gerrard did in the first few games) skrtels also looking more comfy on the ball. Nice to see suso getting in. he's great, just would have liked to see him more hugging the touchline(but he came in to a 10 man team so understandable)...
We did create alot more in the final third so i say we got no worries. You need to see the entire squad as project that it is. and with the current squad in mind. BR has already made a miracle to get them to play the way they played in the first half yesterday.
YNWA The Pirate (13th in this sites' fantasy league)
Sounds like you Liverpool fans are already settling for mediocre football under Brendan rogers. After watching the Liverpool documentary no wonder they lost 3-0 to west brom after Brendan rogers poor attempt to g the players up before the game.
What is it with fan's of other teams being obsessing with Liverpool? Not only do they post here, they now watch documentary's on LFC.
That will be fear, you know LFC outplayed Man U yesterday. The reason Fergie bitches about Suarez, because it the first time he has seen a player that skillful sent your lot cashed in on Ronaldo, jealousy! While Man U have to call on messer's Giggs and Scholes with a combined age of 102, Liverpool are happy to blood our hungry and clearly talented youngsters and still dominate the game despite being a man down.
ChrisE
Spot on chris van Perdue is papering over the cracks he can't replace scholes or giggs & if rafa had bought andersson the media would be relentless.......all things change tick tock....
Paisley's genius
24 Sep 2012 17:14:59
Hi eds bit confused, when Agger was banned Rodgers stuck Coates straight in against man city as his replacement which would suggest Coates is his 3rd choice cb ( and rightly so), yet the last couple of prem games carragher has made the bench ahead of Coates. Do you know who Rodgers 3rd choice at centre back is, and why carragher keeps getting on the bench ahead of Coates?
Thank u {Ed002's Note - It is a squad of players that will be used.}
My guess is because caragher can play in different positions.
Mighty reds
I think Carra has a better understanding of the game tha BR wants to play, I like Coates but he still keeps sending the ball forward needlessly
24 Sep 2012 17:05:30
I wish our fans would stop blaming everyone and everything if we don't win.
The ref against united was crap yes but we should have won regardless, the main problem is we are not taking our chances and we havnt since Torres left.
Why can't we try and solve this?
All these excuses makes us sound like everton fans who blame everyone else for there mediocrity.
Plus shifting the blame all the time will hardly make the players start looking at themselves and start working hard for the wins.
Shelvey for example mouthing off to fergie for getting sent off, it was a harsh red yes but they are given, especially in games like that. why can't he just man up a bit, except it and try not to do it again?
There was good and bad points we and the players can take away from the game, you can learn from both.
By Shifting the blame you learn nothing.
MIKEY
Whenever we play man united , some big desicions always go against us , giving them a huge advantage , so when we play them at Old Trafford , just wait , and see what happens there , its going to be the same again , another player sent off , another pen for them , two pens not given to us , not sure what we can do about this , but , expect the worst at this match ,
redforever .
24 Sep 2012 16:22:53
Hi eds - what players do you see us targetting in jan and possibly in next years summer transfer window? {Ed002's Note - Too early to tell.}
24 Sep 2012 11:26:08
edoo2 how long will fsg and the fans stick by the manager if results keep gong like this its the same as last year play really well but get beat and football is not about how well u play its results buisness and everyone can say we have hard fixtures but we should of beat both manchester clubs and we can all say its bad luck like last year but i will say again when does it stop being bad luck and just bad tatics and bad team play cheers
mike {Ed002's Note - Obviously there comes a time. I don't see it as an issue just yet but it could quickly develop to where perhaps some assistance may be sought for him.}
Not just in response to this poster but in general;
Why does everyone use last season as a yard stick to measure Brendan Rodgers? This season is what we judge him on. It hasn't been good, results wise, so far but we knew going in that it was going to be a long hard road to rebuild this team and squad. That's where last year and the years previous to it come in to the reckoning. This squad and its previous playing style is simply not good enough to get where we want LFC to be. The manager needs a chance to build his team, bring in his players and get them playing the way he wants them too before we judge him. And we certainly can't blame him for the poor form before he even got here.
And a further point, for all those calling for his head because we haven't been good for 2-3 years (or good enough to win the league in 20 years) do you not realise that the *next* manager will have to go thru an adjustment period as well and it will set us back even further?
Get behind the manager, support the team and reserve judgement until May.
SpudRed
24 Sep 2012 16:54:30
Imagine this after January..It would be amazing
Vorm
25
Johnson Skrtel Agger Cissokho
2 37 5 3
Allen Sahin
24 4
Gerrard
8
Suarez Isco
7 15
Llorente
9
Subs: Jones, Kelly, Coates, Lucas, Suso, Sterling, Borini
I dont think we need isco as we have suso....
i would offload downing and enrique....
we would then need a left back and a world class striker...
i think we should go 20mil for damioa from international....
thanks
Cissoko signed for Valencia in the summer so maybe Pablo Amero? Also I would look at Damiao or Lewandoski as a striker as the are younger. Maybe Ter Stegen to replace Reina and a winger (mertens)
Jrsoakley23
"he pulls on thy stalk"
Lewandoski is in champs league... not possible.
24 Sep 2012 16:50:33
Unleash "TRIPLE S" on the Canaries on Saturday! Suso, Sterling and Suarez - we have a bright future!
Can't wait as i have tickets for the match, in with the norwich fans thou, might have to sit on my hands!!
Basil
24 Sep 2012 16:47:25
Team on tuesday:
Gk jones
Rb flanagan
Cb coates
Cb wisdom
Lb enrique
Cm sahin
Cm Cole
Cm henderson
Rw assaidi
St yesil
Lw downing
Team against norwich:
Gk reina
Rb johnson
Cb skrtel
Cb coates
Lb downing
Cm allen
Cm gerrard
Cm sahin
Rw suso
St suarez
Lw sterling
I think Flanno is still injured, and Cole is a muppet of a player and certainly not a CM.
Carra will probably play CB alongside Coates and Wisdom as Right FB. Allen will play both tuesday and on the weekend. I like your Norwich selection, and I also hop that Yesil gets a game on Tuesday as you've suggested.
SpudRed
West brom game is on wednesday
I would expect Pacheco and danny wilson to
get a few games now..
the squad looks too thin with these long term injuries , players settling in and matches coming thick and fast..
cole and flanno are not available for another few weeks..
Have you also chosen a team for WEDNESDAY?
DM2012
24 Sep 2012 16:47:15
Hi eds what is the alternative reply for?
MIKEY {Ed001's Note - some people are having trouble with the original one, seems to depend on the browser being used.}
24 Sep 2012 16:45:26
Think the twitter nobs who wrote the disgusting things about Mark Halsey should be shot!
Onto the game, I appreciate referees are only human but how can the get it wrong so many times in Manchester united favour. It's got to be high time that the game is refereed using advanced technology. We do need to be more decisive/clinical in front of goal but it doesn't help when the referee appears to have a different set of rules for each team.
If Shelvys was a red then so was Evans & Van Persie and the penalty, don't get me started........
2 from 5 and we look in trouble but I really thing BR and the team are progressing, giving a level playing field we will win more than we lose
RedLee
24 Sep 2012 17:41:19
Iknow what you mean lad the refs are so poor, last week even tho i laughed i seen terrible refering {spelling} in the everton v newcastle match but that yesturday was 10 times worse.
24 Sep 2012 16:40:44
Eds,
do you not think we should be getting a bit concerned re: Suarez and penalty claims. We should of had two in the last two games none given, one yellow card for Suarez on. Is it not about time LIVERPOOL made more of an issue of this as it is and will cost us if it is allowed to continue.
Many Thanks
dub11 {Ed001's Note - play the media like we all whine about Fergie doing? No thanks. If he doesn't throw his head back and make a meal of things, tries to stay on his feet as much as possible, then he will get over his rep.}
Yep. +1 on the Eds comment.
Over acting works for United players seeking a penalty but it is hampering Suarez. He needs to focus on not having any reaction to the foul and just let the contact take her down. Place the onus back on the refs instead of giving them a way to react to a 'dive'.
SpudRed
24 Sep 2012 15:08:21
Ed, when do u expect agger , kelly & borini to be back ?
also has lucas started lightweight training yet ?
Is Joe cole in contention for Norwich game ? ..BR might start pacheco and yesil against Wba at the cup .. {Ed001's Note - Kelly's season is over. Not sure on Borini or Agger, but I would expect both back within 2 months, difficult to judge with Agger being a slow healer. Lucas will be doing work to maintain fitness, but mostly physio for a bit longer. Cole isn't due back for a couple of weeks yet.}
Is it 100% over for Kelly, I really like the kid, I see him being our captain in 5-7 years, it is such a shame when he starts playing well he then gets injured. What exactly has he injured?
Andrew {Ed001's Note - ACL, unlikely he will make it back this season.}
24 Sep 2012 16:29:19
ED 01?
I dont want to be negative but everything over the last couple of years that has happened at the club leads me to see nothing but decline and self inflicted turmoil.
What positives do you see for us as club in the future?
Do you have total faith in Rodgers?
Do you have total faith in FSG?
Would love to know your general opinion of how things are going.
Worried Red {Ed001's Note - positives? We are playing well, just need to start putting the chances away and get more bodies in the box to pick up scraps. Other than that, the squad is a bit small, but that just gives a chance to all those youth players we have been crying out to see in the first team. I would rather we just increased the quality and continued to use the youth to fill in gaps in the squad caused by injuries, suspensions and illnesses. Generally, I am optimistic for the future of the club, though only time will tell if Rodgers gets the time he needs.}
24 Sep 2012 17:36:47
With FSG we will achieve nothing.
Total Faith is a rather big ask for anything and anyone other than a candidate for Pope.
Nothing is absolute in football.
However, Rodgers is a very good manager. He knows football, is a marvelous coach (especially with younger players), and his style of football is both nice to watch and has the potential to be extremely effective and successful given the correct players.
FSG are good owners, if not money bag big spending ones. They want success and have shown they are able to achieve success in their endeavors into sports teams prior to them buying us. They won't ruin our club financially and they will support the manager that they say they've chosen to lead this club in to the future.
All that said, unless LFC shows an upturn to winning some league games, getting some points, and moving up the table very soon (at least some marked improvement by Jan) then it is possible that Rodgers will be gone.
I hope not and I honestly believe we are going to start putting away some teams in the league very soon now. Norwich, Stoke, Reading, and the derby against Everton will be a telling time for Rodgers team. That brings us thru to Nov and the return of Lucas which will make our midfield so very much stronger with him shoring up the defense and allowing Allen to move further forward and dictate the tempo and ball movement better.
SpudRed
24 Sep 2012 16:26:27
Devestated about Martin Kelly! Lets hope he can get back up to the level he has been playing at recently as soon as he can. Horrible injury and a 4month recovery is very optamistic. This sort of injury would put mere mortals into retirement.
YNWA
DSTEVE
24 Sep 2012 16:12:32
Kelly out till jan
24 Sep 2012 15:20:01
I'm sick of saying 'we played well but lost' however we played as good as the best yesterday. We couldn't possibly have done any better, fantastic performance. Just a shame the Ref was wearing a United top under his Referee uniform!
Future looks good. I feel really optimistic about Rodgers, such a great attitude and understands why it's important to be respectful. I was sceptical about his appointment over Kenny at first, but he's winning me over!
Thanks, Ell.
He won heart when i heard his first interview,and i have kept my fb profile pic of his
24 Sep 2012 15:15:29
You know what makes me laugh is the fact someone actually takes time out of there day to come on here and disagree with every post without reading them lol..... Some people have no life
James
Disagree, no agree, no disagree!!
Tommy.
24 Sep 2012 15:13:17
I dont agree with fans calling for Rodgers head neither i agree wih ones saying we had a difficult run in
yes we play 3 of he top four teams last year but all of those were at our home even clubs like stoke, everton have played well against big eams at their homes and got points where as we jus couldnt get a result
i agree that rogers is playing tiki taka football but he doesnt have to do it all the time u know especially when we are one man down and a goal up against our fierce rivals who are renowned for their fight backs
How can you say even a team like everton
Liverpool are on the decline and you can't admit that you aren't the same as 5 years ago. I am not being biased but realistically what Liverpool player would make evertons starting eleven I could only agree with maybe 2
Even with 10 we out played them and created chances, why change the system? We simply need to convert, it is not like we are not creating chances. Some have become obsessed with Plan B and picking at the Tika Taka style. I dont believe either are the problem, just the finishing.
Andy K
24 Sep 2012 15:11:57
This is just my opinion and what i would like to see happen at Liverpool by the end of the season. january would be nicer!
Cole, Downing, Enrique gone, if we can get a few quid the better £5 to £10 million would do nice if that lot, if possable? Carra the legend offered a coaching role if he wanted to. If not then release him. Getting those 4 players off the books would save bucket loads on wages aswell as getting rid of the 4 worst players at the club.
A left back brought in, a wide attacking player brought in and 2 strikers brought in.
Also continue scouting and bringing in young talent like Sterling, Soso, Shelvey etc.
Basil
What happened Enrique he used to be flavor of the month?
Enrique joined last summer and played out of his skin until xmas, then the real Enrique from Newcastle turned up. Been getting worse ever since!! Did you see the game against Young Boys??
I rest my case!!
Basil
24 Sep 2012 14:49:10
Could you advise the contract situation of Suso?
24 Sep 2012 14:45:13
To the persons saying that Brendan Rodgers should be sacked. May I point out that before we are able to buy any new players (in January) we have FIFTEEN League games and at least six Europa League and Capital One Cup games. This means that any new manager will have to utilise the players that are already at Liverpool. It is up to the players to get stuck in and improve results. The performances are good and the results bad. It is not just up to Suarez to score goals but the rest of the team as well. I personally think that Suarez has no confidence in his team-mates to score and that is way he is making so many attempts himself. Once the goals start coming from other players more will come from Suarez. At the moment he is missing chances but let's not forget that he is getting into the positions to make those misses - no-one else is.
Dutchmal
Injuries and results have been quite unfair to BR. however from what i see, BR is the right man for the job. when we are short on players, its up to our youths and reserves. and we do have quite some talent. and this is where BR would like to believe that he is talented, growing and nurturing young talents.
I still think BR is the man, and I will support him. if he is allowed to build his own team, it will be a magnificent team.
Kaizer
For the 1st time in many many years we dominated the ball and the game.
Not just counter-attacking (KK) or restricting them to long shots (GH) or only a couple on target (RB).
When it was 11v11 they could not get the ball. We were running at about 70% possession. If they did get it, they lost it within about 2-3 passes and most of that was with a punt downfield.
even when we went down to 10 men, we were still the better team - although it was much more even.
BR out the job is too big for him
24 Sep 2012 14:32:50
By the start of next campaign I'd like to see:
ter Stegen (Reina's no longer reliable)
Sahin (permanent)
Isco (potential Gerrard replacement and more depth)
Kjær (reckon Carragher will hang 'em up and join the
Melwood staff)
Left back (Either Neil Taylor when he's fit or check on
Coentraõ's situation at Madrid as he's being wasted there.)
Llorente or other alternatives.
Coentraõ
Do you know how much he would cost?
Try 25M
I think that Mousa Sissoko would be an ideal signing as he is a tank and very quick. Scouse_Pride
24 Sep 2012 14:32:02
It's alright to bring in players worth around 10 million, but when the pressure is on and we need a world class finish, we need a 25 million pound finisher to get the job done. 1 world class striker in January please FSG!
Signing a player for 25million+ pounds puts him under pressure to perform. Just look at Andy Carroll and Torres at Chelsea.
DSTEVE
Everton have got good goal scorers and so have newcastle how much did they cost not 25mil
24 Sep 2012 19:49:34
Look at Borini @ 10M
24 Sep 2012 14:28:51
Eds
Let's just cut to the chase. Liverpool play nice football but you don't win points by playing nice. Unfortunately, 19 other teams want success to, you just have to beat them. Liverpool need to become ruthless pretty quickly or any progress made this season will be distracted by the negative naysayers. If Liverpool must shake off this hard luck tag, football is full "if only" stories, Liverpools has been. Going on now since last season. Liverpool have just got to find a way to win consistently, efficient in their finishing, ruthless, mean(as in tight not dirty) in defense. I know they are hungry, motivated and passionate but they have got to work harder on three key skills
1. Improve Shots on target ratio
2. Error free defense, to many goals conceded that were in our control
3. Do what their meant to do better. Strikers should score, wingers should create assists, defenders less goals conceded.
Sounds obvious, but I feel the team is trying so hard that they are getting distracted from key roles. Defenders are passing around rather than leaving this role for midfield, defenders trying to be wingers because wingers are not creating, meanwhile goals are being leaked at back.
I know we lack some better players but there is enough talent in the squad, they just need to become clinical, machinelike or efficient. I suppose my point is that you can go on and on about referees, hitting posts, percentage possession, but you make your own luck, I say winning is
all that matters, style can come later. Losing but playing
well just festers and builds frustration.
Come on Liverpool, it's just a mental block, get through it and start hammering the opposition.
Beancounter
Barcelona nice football nice points,brazil nice football nice world cups (more than anyone else) Spain nice football nice three consecutive tournament wins real Madrid of the 50's & 60's nice European cup wins Liverpool of the 70's & 80's nice football nice league & cup success......is it only in England that it is believed that technique.possession & control is a anathema to success? It may take time but I think brendon has the correct philosophy or shall we eulogise the relative merits of a pulis or allardyce style of play?
Paisley's genius
Right so I'll get the nails
24 Sep 2012 14:24:00
Eds, I don't suppose you know whether or not the club will appeal the 3match ban given to Shelvey? Cheers {Ed001's Note - unlikely, it requires the ref admitting to a mistake, why waste time on an appeal when a ref never admits to being wrong.}
Time for Sahin to step in then!? I hope so. :)
Ell.
Yeah let's not try, and while we're at it let's just give up on life too
24 Sep 2012 14:23:21
Team that should play Norwich:
Reina.
Johnson. Skrtel. Coates. Enrique.
Gerrard. Allen. Sahin.
Suso. Suarez. Sterling.
Bench:
Jones, Flanagan, Carragher, Henderson, Downing, Assaidi, Borini.
Injured: Lucas (2 more months at least) Agger (?) Kelly (4months roughly) Cole (few more weeks)
Agree other then Enrique, he is rubbish!
If Robinson is fit i would play him at left back, if not i would play Johnson at left back and play Wisdom at right back or Flanagan.
Basil
Enrique is a liability, play wisdom rb and johnson lb
JJ
No to enrique, play yerself lad, just not him
It's more likely to be wisdom as flano is injured or recovering from injury
Basil I couldn't agree more mate I would start Robinson ahead of Enrique.
Mighty reds
Would Rodgers play robinson with Coates in defence? No experience there, plus if sterling starts on the left the whole left side is very young. Plus sahin will more than likely start and he is still very new.
MIKEY
Well boys its official henrique is pants not long ago they were talkin about him makin the spanish team obviously too much sun
24 Sep 2012 14:11:11
Anyone thinking that just because the team is struggling,that fsg are going to give rodgers loads of cash to spend are mad!.They are not willing to invest,which begs the question how are we meant to progress.They will sanction 1 or 2 loans moves in january and thats it.Expect joe cole doni and enrique to leave in january as an act of further cost cutting continues.Fsg are hoping the rebuilding of anfield will keep fans off there back. {Ed001's Note - those 3 will be going because they are not good enough, not for cost cutting purposes.}
Agree with ed001 there are rubbish
Basil
Oh no, we might get rid of Cole, Doni and Enrique. How will we cope?
Yes ed1 they need to go but at the same time we need to replace them not like Dempsey issue sale players then don't replace {Ed001's Note - they weren't playing anyway, why do we need to replace reserves?}
Ed1 if you see our league position then you will know we need to replace them before owners get bored with Rogers
For strength and depth ed something i believe we are short of. stuart
I sincerely doubt that anyone would notice they were gone from the squad.
I have read online that finally anfield is set for refurbishment to hold 60000, if this is true then it show s the owners are willing to invest in the club
24 Sep 2012 14:05:41
Yesterday was just bad luck, sending off, penalities given not given, injuries etc.
For me thou there where so many positives the overall team proformance, the pressing the passing the movement. Made Man united look second rate for most of the match.
The other thing to look at, is the average age of the team/squad, if BR is aloud time to develop this group of players and add a few more there is no reason why this team could be destine for greatness.
In a few years the youngsters will have come on even more, a few strikers brought in, a few of the older players moved on retired, and the crap shipped out.
Trying not to mention names here, as we all have different ideas about this and i'm sure BR has his own ideas, about who and what he wants.
Basil
24 Sep 2012 13:53:37
quick question,While i agree we've been unlucky this season,and we are playing some great football,it's points on the board that count.So while were only 5 games in,will the owners still stick with the manager if things havent improved in another 5 games.And if they do stick with him,will they back him in the january window?..
24 Sep 2012 13:53:19
A lot of people sayin the problem is no 20 goal a season striker, no luck, bad refs and no depth to the squad. All good points but why can no one see the biggest problem is players not getting in the box. And to all those sick twisted twitter users sending abuse to Hasley, take a good long look at yourselves and grow up.
Eric the red
So Halsey decisions where correct then !! because you say so, or because the only pundit ( so called expert ) that agreed was, would you be surprised, Mark Lawrenson.
I personally wouldn't abuse Halsey for his diabolical refereeing, but if he is not up to the job of refereeing big games, then he should be a man and admit it and move on - there is no way he can be happy about his performance yesterday, was it just unfortunate that it was against them or was it fear of The Fergie - methinks it may be the latter.
John B
I didn't say they were correct. My point is he doesn't deserve to read his twitter page and read people wishing he gets cancer and dies. 1, that's just sick and 2 it's just a game. Tell me this John b, if you made a mistake at work would it be acceptable for people say ' hey John, get cancer and and die you you person.
Eric the red
We were a player down there was never going to be players running into the box against united we would have been slaughtered on the counter.
MIKEY
Mark Lawrenson is a closet manc...
Huws
Mountain, mole hill.
No-one could stop those 2 (just 2) persons from posting their inane comments. However, both comments where quickly deleted and one member was banned from whatever group/board it was when he wouldn't apologise/retract.
Halsey doesn't know these fools and they don't know him personally. Halsey got cancer and he beat it. He regained his fitness and he got back to being a referee in one of the top leagues in the world. Why would he care what they say?
Besides he was probably too busy counting the money in the brown envelope that fergie gave him to even notice.
And he was beyond dreadful in his performance in the game on Sunday. Not sure he should be in charge of any top level games ever again.
SpudRed
24 Sep 2012 13:51:17
Even though we played very well yesterday and lost the biggest concern are the injuries to key players. We now have Lucas, Agger & Kelly out for a while. Borini and Cole out for a few weeks and Shelvey also suspended.
The squad was looking think prior to yesterdays game but now it is looking depleted. If Suarez gets injured or suspended then we have no recognised strikers. It's also a tall order asking all these youngsters to carry us through these difficult times, let's hope it doesn't do more harm than good to their development.
Team for Norwich
Reina
Johnson, Skytel, Coates & Enrique
Allen, Gerrard, Sahin
Suso, Suarez, Sterling
Still an exciting looking team and watch out the Triple S strikeforce!
Triple s? sulk swear and in suarez case shoot from wherever whenever
24 Sep 2012 13:41:03
After reading that Alexander Kerzhakov and Igor Denisov have been forced into the reserves due to arguments over Hulk and Witsel's wages (BBC Gossip colomn), I hope Zenit tear up their contracts and are made available by Zenit..... we could do with a couple of quality free signings.
24 Sep 2012 13:17:28
Dermot ( I'm in Fergies pocket ) Gallagher says Halsey got it right that Jonjo should have been sent off, and that it would have been difficult to also punish Evans - WHY? - just to speculate, what if Jonjo had just stood up and Evans had gone in with two feet off the ground and studs showing and going into Jonjos shin (which it did ) - would Webb's apprentice have shown one of Fergies boys a red - I don't think so - but alas we'll never know, because one thing we can guarantee, referees will never admit they have made a mistake, and they ALWAYS tell the truth - NOT.
John B
You should know there all afraid of red nose thats why they all suck up to him how many points have they grabbed with contrevercial penaltys at old trafford and scored with injury or should i say fergie time they wouldnt have gotten any where near citeh last year if it wasnt for that he knows that n thats y he wont retire hes 70 n got all this power when he retires he will be just another o.a.p
Gallagher always agrees with the refs decision. He is part of the referees club after all; I have never heard him disagree with a decision when interviewed.
GGK
24 Sep 2012 13:08:56
I remember last season Macca saying the owners would buy a different type of player if we qualified for champions league. I will tell you now we are not buying players to even compete in the premier league. Was it to hard to ask the owners for funds to purchase 2 strikers. Newcastle done well last season because of Ba and Cisse.
What we have seen from the owners is an absolute disgrace. Last season we struggled because the squad was lacking quality in depth. This summer they have completely weakened the squad further. Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy - never replaced. Carroll allowed to leave no replacement. They have simply wanted to reduce the wage bill. THIS SIDE NEEDS INVESTMENT. EITHER COMMIT OR GET OUT.
If I have this wrong I apologise but today was one of the biggest games in years and yet Henry/Werner could not be bothered attending.
What is clear we need to support Brendan Rodgers. He is not been given the tools to do the job properly. Over the last few years we have been subjected to embarrassment on the back pages. Let me tell you Henry & Werner nothing is more embarrasing than seeing my club in its currrent position.
I do not want to hear rubbish about how difficult it is signing players in January. You need to show your commitment to this club but more importantly Rodgers
We had investment and bought rubbishe u cant have your cake n eat it this side now is much better without 100 mil pounds worth of players in it they wernt good enough period they have to trust the manager first which they should give him some time n then invest in young players may take 4 or 5 years but we will be back up there again look how long it took whisky nose
Another point is if they commited and got us into the champs league they would have made their money back. Why wait?
And if we spend and dont get into the Champions League? What if that delays the stadium even longer? Good long term thinking that is. If you can not see the incredible potential in our young guys, maybe you dont get the game. As much as we want champions league as quickly as possible, is it worth risking our long term future for a short term gain? I dont think so. Red for life, not just this season.
Andy K
24 Sep 2012 13:08:54
chaps, bit of a favour if ok?
am in liverpool next sat for a gig in town that night. any pub in town that'll definitely have the norwich game on? ie bootleg non sky / espn channels, guarenteed to show reds games?!?!
First national
The herculaneum bridge aka peglegs on grafton street 10min from town big screen cheap ale local punters all good people loads of irish stay there for games
Thanks fellas, that's great, cheers!
24 Sep 2012 13:02:45
Just a quick question to the eds and another posters. I know its over and done with. But when Jonjo went into the tackle he got up straight away while Evans remained down. If Shelvey had remained down and "faked" some sort of injury I think the outcome would have been different. I mean he made contact with the ball first and Evans went in two footed. Dont get me wrong, i think Evans was full of sh*t by staying down. Just sums up the Man Utd team I guess. But what can you do, its part of the game these days.
My thoughts on the match. We killed them with 11 men and we matched them with 10 men. Im going to bring up the stats which dont mean anything because we lost. But we were better then them in all aspects of play and we were a man down for 50 min and 2 men down for the last couple of min. Despite that, we still had more possession, shots and passes. It might be a loss but if we play like that we will be a strong team. To those saying we played sh*t and Rodgers isn't up for it clearly haven't watched the matches, have mental issues or are man utd fans.
My thoughts on the players. Ummm I think Borini played really well while he was on. Suarez was his usual self but I think Ferdinand kept his legs closed ;). Stevie G was fantastic and committed, lets hope for more performances like that. Sterling was great, won the ball back for us a couple of times and started attacks. Allen was superb as usual. Well done to shelvey for not backing out of that challenge, amazing thats only his first red card. Suso, 22 passes, 100% success rate. Oh my we have got a bright future. Gutted for Dagger and i hope Kelly will be alright.
Lets just all hope that Rodgers is given time to build the team. He has done a good job so far.
BADGER
What are you talking about. Kenny started it and now BR is making it worse. Allen is good not great and at 15 mill he should be great. Borini is average at best. Loook we are not going down but we are not going places either. Do you think the future is bright if we become a top 8 at best team? i cn answer that... NO! We will lose the Kellys, Sterlings etc to clubs who are winning things. I have never seen LFC in a state klike this in my lifetime.
Swedish Red
To Swedeish Red, have you not been around long enough to see us under Hodgson + H & G? Far worse on nearly every level.
Andy K
24 Sep 2012 12:55:44
great atmosphere yesterday at anfield very moving its not nice losing to the mancs but i could see it coming its all well and good playing pretty passes keeping possieon but if there's no end result ie not taking your chances the chances are the opposition will take one chance and we end up drawing or losing alan hansen has said something needs to change read his peice in the telegraph.Kelly is out til the new year and dagger season looks over borini could be out for couple of weeks its time for wisdom coates suso yesil assaidi sahin shelvey Robinson all given first team starts the squad is looking threadbare its time for FSG to dig their pockets in January transfer window and BRING IN A STRIKER llorente or soldado and a holding midfielder like hernanes bring big andy carrol back in jan hes our plan b isco or herrara as long term gerrard replacement i would take both.if the owners wont buy players in jan transfer window im afraid this season will be our worst ever finish as were breaking records faster than a avalanche! FSG WAKE UP WE ARE LIVERPOOL FC WE DONT SETTLE FOR MEDICORITY OUR HISTORY TELLS US WE ARE WINNERS NOW BACK BRENDAN RODGERS IN JAN TRANSFER WINDOW PLEASE AND TELLS US WHEN ANFIELD WILL BE REFURBISHED TO 60'000 seatr we have been waiting 10yrs! i have hope and faith ynwa
concerned red
24 Sep 2012 12:51:04
Wish all the doom and gloom merchants would lighten up.We've outplayed city and united(with 10 men) and only a totaly inept ref cost us the game against united.With the owners about to announce that anfield will be getting re developed,they will hand brendan rodgers a decent size budget for january.They realise that there's no point having a super stadium,if the team aint up to scratch.With agger and kelly out,expect young andre wisdom to get a squad place,with coates filling in for agger.
That's all very well, but it's no use playing well and dominating teams if we can't finish the job! 6 points from city and united would have been lovely, the fact that we deserved to win both doesn't do much for our league position. I'll be happy when we start winning
24 Sep 2012 12:48:30
Lads. I am worried.
Our league form in 2012 is shocking. Ok so we played well. We hit the wood work. The ref did us. We have more excuse
s than points.
With our small squad and mounting injuries we are in serious
Trouble.
Buy in jan. Whay world clasd players will come to a struggling team.
A once great club in ruins.
Remember the recent past 2 cl finals in 3 years. We are now miles away.our dreams our in the past.
Once the biggest club on the world. Now not the biggest in our own city.
2012 can not end soon enough.
Ps as a fan i have earned the rite to worry for our future. If
e fprm of the year continues get used to the championship .
Don't rise to the bait people, this is just a troll- get back to your own Utd page mate.
Form isn't shocking - results are, more entertaining to watch than they have been in over 10 years, just hope the luck will turn our way soon.
I know you make your own luck, we just need to be a bit more positive and take risks in the opposition box - we need to press there, not just the centre circle.
I will still love and support Liverpool even if we are in League 3. Question is: do you? Singred
24 Sep 2012 12:40:45
Please dont blame the manager , we are settling into a new style of play , one that was famillier to us years ago...Pass and Move...remember!! The blame for the lack of striker etc has to go to FSG , BR was promised this in the last window but the promise wasnt delivered , do you really think he would have agreed to let AC go out on loan WITHOUT a replacement?!?!?!?!? Barking!!
24 Sep 2012 12:30:24
Kelly out until 2013 at the earliest
Agger out for the rest of the season.
Enrique struggling to be ready for Norwich.
All true.
Is Robinson fit? If so then i would pick Johnson rb Skertel and Coates at cb and Robinson at lb.
Basil
Bring forth Jack Robinson, the next teenager to step up the plate
24 Sep 2012 12:15:33
If we are in a precarious position after 20 games then clearly it would be of concern. BR has however only had 5 games as our manager, he needs and deserves our full support. We moved on numerous older players in the summer saving the club over ½ million a week in wages. Its obvious that we don't have all the personnel required to challenge at present. We are clearly going to use this season to blood numerous of our talented youngsters. This situation requires all of us to give our utmost support and backing to BR and the lads. The season is one of setting the foundations, anyone who thinks or expects otherwise is being unrealistic. Ultimately the positives should greatly outweigh the negatives. The manager is slowly but surely imposing his philosophy and style of play. I am confident that we will see 3-5 youngsters show that they are the real deal with great futures ahead of them and ready to make meaningful contributions to our success (e.g. Sterling and Suso look nailed on to succeed, Shelvey is showing great development too. Coates, Wisdom, Kelly, Henderson have a chance too). Lucas will hopefully be back soon and Sahin (who is quality) will begin to contribute once he settles. Allen is already showing that he is a class act. This season is one of development. We need to grit our teeth when results don't go our way and support the lads with all we have. Reality Red
Well said mate,short term thinking has cost us in the past,best crop of youngsters in a long time we need to blood them in and learn from experienced pro,s. we will reap the rewards in the coming years
Totally agree mate if we get 5 or 6 young good quality player's coming threw together we will be in a great position young an hungry to go with what we already have .
L B .
24 Sep 2012 12:12:28
Just been on the BBC website and it is talking about 2 sets of moronic fans who tried to ruin yesterday. It says that a section of the United fans retaliated to aeroplane gestures made towards them. If this is true I hope that our club takes serious action and punishes those involved. Last week I suggested that we treat these people in the same way that we treat racism but I feel this wouldn't be enough to stop everybody. The best way that I can think of would be to treat it like hooliganism and issue serious bans and even prison time. Racism in the ground towards other fans goes relatively unpunished but hooliganism is stamped right out. All fans who sing the "Munich" song or make aeroplane gestures should be banned from Anfield. It would be good for our image as well after all of the negativity caused by whole racism row.
Scouse_Pride
24 Sep 2012 12:12:15
Just read agger is out for the rest of the season.
That 20m from city is looking good now.
Coates is a great replacement but it also means carragher is going to get more games and he is a liability.
Hope agger recovers sooner than that and we see him back soon.
MIKEY {Ed001's Note - he is not likely to be out for the rest of the season, some nugget has got confused and thinks and MCL injury is as bad as an ACL, it's not.}
He has a very nasty bruise (bone) but has no ligament damage. Where as Kelly has torn his ACL which requires surgery :/ shame, i think he was brilliant vs Utd
Great news in that case thanks ed.
MIKEY
24 Sep 2012 12:08:39
Brendan needs to get some 1-0 wins under his belt. I agree we play nice football but we dont get anything for it and our defence is leaking too many. Few weeks of 1-0 and we`ll pick up the points, get used to a winning habit and most of all have a decent defence, we then can build from it and win with style. Our defence hasnt changed in a few seasons now yet its getting worse year by year. I do think BR will provide but i get the feeling he trying too much too soon. People call Rafa for negative styles etc but he won CL with some1 elses squad so maybe BR should play to the squads strengths until he has built his team?
24 Sep 2012 12:07:11
Hi eds I was just wondering how you see the top 4 playing out this year and where you see us ending up on the table. {Ed001's Note - I see us fighting for top 6 with Newcastle and Everton, top 5 being City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and United.}
24 Sep 2012 12:04:36
Tweet from Martin Kelly:
What I can say is its not the worst injury I've had, and for sure ill be fighting for my place next year when I'm back fitter and stronger!
So he is out til after Xmas, shame as he could turn into a very good player without his injury problems.
Disney!
24 Sep 2012 11:57:30
it would seem FSG are going to need to open the cheque book in January if they want to protect their investment. (injuries and lack of squad depth)
I am sure we wont get relegated. We just need to put a run together.
We needed a out and out striker last season and this should have been addressed at the beginning of the transfer window this season.
fantastic effort from the lads yesterday. Playing 10 v 11 is tough but 10 v 12 is nails
Red dean
The cupboard is bare
24 Sep 2012 11:55:43
Morning all,
Just thought I would give a bit of information regarding MCL injuries as this is what Aggers's Suspected injury is. The medial collateral ligament is a flat broad ligament that forms part of the capsule of the knee. As a result and injury to this ligament will result in bleeding within the capsule of the knee so the likelihood is that Agger's knee will be pretty swollen today and all efforts initially will be to control this. The grading of the tear will determine how long he is sidelined for. There are four grades for ligament tears:
Grade 1: few fibres torn, no laxity
Grade 2: Increased number of torn fibres, no laxity
Grade 3: Significant number of fibres torn, gross laxity
Grade 4: rupture of ligament
If he has suffered a grade 1/2 tear the likelihood is anywhere from 2-6 weeks, a grade 3 is more likely 2-3 months given the initial rehab required to increase strength and joint stability (this could be longer should they deem any surgical intervention necessary). If its a complete rupture then surgery would be required certainly for a professional athlete and the likely recovery would be around 6 months plus. Although to completely rupture the MCL you would likely cause damage to the anterior cruciate also.
Don't really know if this is of any interest to anyone but thought it may give you some indication of how long Coates (not JC) may get in the side!
Cheers
Greggers
He will be out for 2-3 months IMO. It looked a bad one and he isn't the best of healers. It will be a good chance to see how Coates does. Certainly a better option than Carra.
Disney!
24 Sep 2012 11:44:45
weve lost again ,ino were playing good football but icant be the only 1 who thinks were over passing it,, especially at the back & were getting caught out with it yesterday we were losing & we passed it around at the back around 7,8,or 9 times then gave it to reina & he smashed it up the feild i dont no but its awaste passing it around at the back so much were not going anywere,,weve 2points out of 15 an utter JOKE,,i for 1 tought carroll would have fitted perfectly into this system especially with the amount of crosses were putting into the box .After every game this season every 1 saying we were unlucky & shouldve got more from the games.hold on thats like dayjavu(spelling)weve said all them things last season,im getting worried our next prem lge game is already a must win god help us if we dontwin that 1,,,,,,,IRISH RED
24 Sep 2012 11:03:14
Hi Eds.. Good work done here by yourselfs
I would like to ask could someone please remove Mark Lawrenson from purple nose he always sticks up for him and sitting there with the benefit of slowed down replays and saying that ref got everything right what a complete knob he is annoying me more than the ref i think fergie has something on him r something wtf.tommy Irish Red {Ed001's Note - he is a United fan! Why do people listen to him?}
24 Sep 2012 10:57:57
Hi Edds/All
can the FA have a look back at the challenge between Shelvey and Evans and re cinder the red card as both players were two footed in the challenge!!, BR has Liverpool playin some of the best and passionate football ive seen for years, and only in a short time, just think what a proven goalscorer would be like if we had brought one in in the summer, 5 games in a some "supporters" calling for his head, seriously some even sayin our defence is a joke, we have the best attacking right back and also one of the best left backs in G johnson. just a striker in January around the lates 20's in age perfect.
Andy R {Ed001's Note - they could do, but they won't admit the ref got it wrong unless he chooses to. No ref will do that.}
Why would a ref do that when the decision wasn't wrong? The challenge was reckless. You could argue that Evans also went in reckless and I would agree with that, but it still doesn't take away the fact that Shelvey's challenge was reckless and deserved a red card. Should Liverpool have had a penalty? SURE, was our penalty soft? SURE, but by the letter of the law it was a clear red card. Not sure he deserves a three game ban though.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - you don't know the rules then, as reckless = yellow in the rule book. So you are admitting the ref got it wrong and that you have no idea what you are talking about.}
If Jojo rolled around on the floor like a tart then he might not have been sent off!
Even's squealed like a pig, played the game and got away with it. He knew he was in trouble and play acted and once again Utd get away with it. He went in two footed studs up both should have gone.
Cheating, smart I am not sure what to call it.
GGK
IMO the tackle was a red card, where the ref got it wrong was not sending Evans off as well as he slid in dangerously also.
I recon Micky Mouse has got more brain cells than Disney!
GGK
Ed001, it's to the discretion of the referee to determine whether it's a red card or a yellow card. Reckless play, also known as dangerous play has four boxes of criteria to tick so to speak and not all need ticking. Shelvey's tackle ticked them all. As did Evans tackle. Both should have walked as both deserved a red card. The fact that Shelvey went in with far more venom and come out on top unhurt is why it tilted in Evans'
favour, but Shelvey's was an instant red.
What more could have been wrong with his tackle? went in at full speed, lunged with both feet off the ground and studs up. How on earth isn't that a red? What more could have he done wrong in that tackle? Broke a leg?
Disney! {Ed001's Note - no it is not, that is a lie, the rules state a reckless challenge is a yellow. Stop believing the lies spouted by Fergie's mouthpieces on TV. Reckless is not the same as dangerous. Stop trying to tell me things when you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Evans jumped in both footed, Shelvey jumps in side on and won the ball cleanly, with one foot. You are talking nonsense again. Shelvey lead with on leg, Evans with two. You are a far too biased to discuss this with as you are completely blinkered. Embarrassingly so. Evans is a cheat who feigned injury to avoid a card and get Shelvey sent off, end of.}
LOL, led with one foot and won the ball cleanly, what game did you watch?
If I was biased would I say that Evans should have been sent off too, would I be saying Suarez should have got a penalty? Doesn't sound biased to me Ed. Would I say that I don't believe the lad deserves a three-match ban?
I HAVE read through the rules and this is it in a nut-shell:
"Any player who lunges at an opponent when
challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or
from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent, is guilty of
serious foul play."
Disney!
24 Sep 2012 10:54:30
Hi Eds, all. I was impressed with the performance yesterday. Thought we were unlucky in some ways but probably didn't create enough of our own luck. Jonjo did well with that first interception and with better judgement (er, and yes hindsight) could have put the dodgy Evans under pressure. Still, we were good with 10 men and while understandable I was a bit disappointed to see Raheem come off. Now to my main point. Lots of people saying we need to win next games but depending on the doc's reports , the loss of Agger, Kelly and Shelvey is going to impact the quality on the pitch. Enrique was woeful against Young Boys. Carragher I love but Agger he aint. And I worry what will happen if we have Downing at LB. A couple more injuries and/or suspensions are we really are looking thin on the ground already. Does anyone know when Lucas is likely to be back with us. I've a bad feeling he is still some way off. BUT, huge admiration for Raheem and Suso - thought they were terrific. Come on you Reds
24 Sep 2012 10:58:35
All the negativity needs to stop. It is pathetic. Yesterday we played well. We were the better team by far. At times Utd couldn't get near us. They looked like A championship side at times. We had 65% pos! They know they were lucky no matter what they said. They wouldn't want to replay that match today let's put it that way.
If we play like that rest of season we will be pushing top 6. What is the most upsetting thing is the occasion was very emotional and I thought the players ( bar ferdinand, who does nothing but cause trouble ) behaved extremely well. Along with the fans bar one person who got arrested for plan gestures.
But as for UTD fans provoking us about munich? To make us sing it? To only get booed back at. Thats a disgrace followed by the chant by the majority in the stand after the game. Well that is pathetic. Utterly disgusting.
I am not saying Utd are the worse but on that day on any is pathetic. They should be heavily fined and make another point at there home game.
Sorry for the rant just very upsetting.
Jordan
We were the best team but we need to take our chances.
Borini is still new and we know he will be prolific once he is off the Mark. It's just agonising waiting.
MIKEY
Yeah we played best all season. But gets nothing. Man u gets something by not playing well
If any Liverpool fans sang about Munich then shame on them, they should know better.
MIKEY
Agree we have to start taking chances. Far point mikey.
Jordan
Possession doesn't win games...goals do!
A manager like fergie or wenger will set there teams out to counter this style....as evident yesterday, win at all costs! and that involves working the ref to get an advantage, so playing passing football means absolute nothing unless you score
24 Sep 2012 11:22:31
Morning All,
Of course disappointed with the result yesterday (who would not be?), but the manner of the performance was excellent. The 1st half was a completely one-sided afair where we not only had alll the possession, but a lot of chances on goal as well.
As much as i think there was huge refereeing inconsistency in sending jonjo off (in relation to other tackles in the game, including Evans who was involved in the 50-50 challenge), I think Jonojo just needs to calm down a tad. He reminds me of what Gerrard was like early on in terms of sometimes being a bit over zealous in the tackle. In game of that importance, and in a game we were completely dominating, why put yourself in a situation where the ref is having to make a decision? To be fair, the ref had a shocker. the penality not given for suarez, and the one given for united.
Anyway, i was watching the game at the pub, and a united fan commented that even with the sending off, it simply made the match competitive...united did not have a look in when we had 11 palyers ont he park...going down to 10 men simply made more of an even contest. I take comfort from that fact.
Yes we have only got 2 points, but we have played the 3 best teams from last season at home, and certainly our play has warrented more than the 1 point we got from those games, having played the manchester teams of the park. we were poor against Arsenal, no question. The only other game that was disappointing in terms of performance was the opener against West Brom, but again a late wonder goal in the first half where we had all the chances, and then another sending off.
I dont suggest that fans have to support BR blindly - everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would only hope that fans can see enough of the posititves that we dont truely get into the silly territory of calling for his head.
I have seen enough so far, that given another couple of transfer windows, propoerly backed by the board, that the future looks bright. Not only is the style of play encouraging (which is one of dominating the opposition team), but also in the opportunities afforded to our young players coming through. Sterling has been fantastic at only 17, Jonjo certainly shows what he can bring to the team (please stay on your feet a bit more!) and absolutely delighted to see Suso making the breakthrough...I thought he looked outstanding yesterday when introduced. Then there is also Wisdom and Robinson waiting in the backround as well. Again, I think this bodes well for us Liverpool fans.
I honestly feel thaat what the team needs now is a period of stability, with a real clairity of purpose (which BR brings). At the time of his appointment, and having witnessed the start to the season, BR is our man.
By all means be disappointed at the outcomes of the game, but lets sit back and honestly reflect on what we have witnessed so far. Some fantastic football, the manchester clubs could not get the ball of us when it was an 11 Vs 11. Try not to focus on the media grabbing headlines "worst start for a 100 years". Lets put the results in the context of the games played...one of the most difficult openign schedules ina 100 years?? Transfer deadline day fiasco, yet another new manager ( we dont seriously want to turn into chelsea do we?).
So the finish, a disappointed but optimistic fan. Lets get that first win and get the monley off our back.
Cheers,
Paul Mc
24 Sep 2012 10:49:46
Gerrard scored in 45:51, Shelvely was sent off on 38:58 and Rafael scored in 51:45 & Van Persie scored 80:16 & they all add up to 96
Garth
There not the real times, only made up by some fool on twitter to get himself retweets
24 Sep 2012 10:33:21
Kenny Dalglish has destroyed liverpool football club. The players he signed apart from suarez are not even in the first team. What a waste of money
Wasn't Suarez a long-term target too? Wasn't he targeted before Kenny took over?
Disney! {Ed063's Note - I am disgusted by the above post, how can you call yourself a Liverpool fan and say Dalglish destroyed the club?}
Bullocks Charlie Adam gets loads playing time
Jonjo shelvey?
Destroyed them, he stabilised them after Hodgson. Get real! Yeah some dodgy signings but he still took us to 2 cup finals and got first trophy in a while. He got rid of alot of the dead wood in the squad. Pressure got to him and he cracked and started making rash decisions. But to say he destroyed them is ridicolous. He was the one who started getting Sterling involved in the first team and helped him alot.
Ed there is some truth in tho all the players he got us are not very good suarez was a rafa target and shelvey was recommended by the king but rafa gave the ok the cash dalglish used and wasted has set us back even longer with us taking losses on all the players he wanted
Well actually Kenny was our saviour the 2nd half of the hodge podge season.. we were 2ns best in the league! Without Gerrard for most of it.. the team had some serious chemistry with spearing, maxi and Merieles in midfield and Kuyt Suarez and Carrol up front.. we were whipping teams, then he decided to completely sabotage the good work and sell Merieles by some crap players and play a 442 last season! I felt ill! Did he lose his mind or something.. if it aint broke don't dismantle it!
6 months ago we thought KK was staying and we all thought that we would add another strker a right winger and cover for Lucas, as well as moving on some of the squad thatw ere not going to get a game this year.
Who knows what would have happend if that scenario would have happend? we were still in the hunt last Xmas, it just fell to bits after that.
If i was to blane KK for one thing it would be for leaving us the first time with an ageing team and, he had left a big gap between the first team ages and the reserves who were kids, it all needed massive changes and as UTD stepped in we have never recovered.
I think that is something he knows himself and was desperate to put right, but he won us another trophy and a final, the club has decided to go down a different direction so we will never know what could have been.
The players he signed were all good at their prvious cubs and may move on and be very good. Who thinks Caroll is not going to be a succesfull player?
Ignorant post.... Jeez, some people have short memories. Didn't work out 2nd time around, fair enough. Kenny is second only to Shankly in legendary status
Macko
Worst post ive ever read(original post). he is a lfc legend and always will be
In my opinion Kenny supercedes shanks as the all time great
24 Sep 2012 10:31:37
FSG i hope you are looking at the table to see the team you have created.
FSG OUT worst start in living memory.
The club is clearing moving forward for the first time since Hicks & Gillet leaving. We played Utd off the park but sometimes in football that isn't enough just the way it is.
Look at the past few seasons none of them have been that great when it comes to the league. Least now we are playing a brand of football that has been proven to be successful. One or two more signings in January or the return of Carroll and we are in for a good ending to the season.
I don't think we will get Champs league but did anyone think we would in the first year? But I think we will get top 7 and win a trophy, Probaly Europa.
Sometimes we just need a reality check
Jordan
You clearly don't have a clue. I can happily say that yesterday was one of the most encouraging days for LFC I have seen in a while. The guys are getting the system. We passed and moved very well, we were busy and pressed hard, we worked our socks off, we played with direction and confidence. The Shelvey red hurt us be we still kept disciplined as best as we could. Allen, Sterling, Suarez, Shelvey and Stevie worked very well together and once that starts to click we will be some team; provided we sign a goal scorer. I was hugely impressed with Allen. Also impressive is the stones that BR had to throw on Suso who also played very well when he came on. At least BR has a vision of what he wants to build rather than filling positions with individuals and w/o thought of how it might link, which I think Kenny got wrong. We also need to sign a keeper to press Pep as he has lost concentration. have faith with the team and BR, this is a project and shot termism wont get us anywhere. Let's see come end of season where we are.
Worse start in living memory? My wee great, great granny said our 1904/05 season was rubbish.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Key word is 'start' doesnt mean it will be our worse season in history
24 Sep 2012 10:19:00
Morning Ed's.
Like my usual posts I'm not in the know, don't have bales agents brother mobile number. I'll say all this on rational thinking and presumptions.
In January I think we can expect big things. The owners have come out and brought in their own man against the will of some fans. To do this they need to back him or else they'll get slated even more. Summer was about cutting costs. The players who left: Aurelio, Bellas, Kuyt, Maxi, Aquilani. People need to realise that by seeling these players we are now saving between 400k and 500k a week just on wages, now any smart man will be able to tell you that this will equate to roughly 12-13 million saved come January. I don't think Walcott will be signed due to the impressive emergence of Sterlo. The money was there in summer, Ian Ayre was the man who messed it up by trying to be a good negotiator and get CD on the cheap, the rest is history. Ayre will no longer be given control of transfers, BR will which is what he openly wanted when he signed his deal. Llorente is a genuine target. The lads suits the style of play, a mobile lad who is good with his feet and can also chip in with headers as well. The lad isn't as 1 dimensional as Carroll, even though most know Carroll can play on the floor. Isco and other young emerging stars who command prices of 20+ million we will not go for. Why would Brendan buy potential? I expect maybe a centre half to cover for Agger, a left back maybe (if Downing isn't converted in time) a young goalkeeper, but, our main priority will be someone who gets given the ball and puts it in the net, Suarez isn't a goalscorer! he creates the chances for a goalscorer. Expect someone maybe LLorente or someone like that, an out and out goalscorer, not a flair player, your stereotypical selfish number 9.
Would love your thoughts Eds
Many Thanks
Tom {Ed002's Note - I very much doubt that BR will be given complete control over transfers Tom.}
24 Sep 2012 10:11:51
I am really disappointed with a lot of posts on here. BR has had only 5 games in the prem and yet people are calling for his head. We are playing some of the best football I have seen for years and have just not had the results. Yes results are ultimately what counts but we have had a tough start. Man City, Man Utd and Arsenal are not exactly bankers. We were poor against West Brom but we dominated against Sunderland. Aside from the WBA and Arsenal games we should have won the rest.
What people need to realise is we are not a title contending team yet and we will be hard pushed to make the top 4 this season. We need to get behind the team and the manager.
I have supported Liverpool for 30+ years so have been through the good times. We have had the bad times, but I truly believe BR is the man to take us forward. We need not make any hasty decisions.
I recall several years ago a certain manager was having a tough time and the team finished in the bottom half of the table. There were fans and media calling for his head but the club he was in charge of stuck by him. I bet they are glad they did as the manager was Alex Ferguson.
We have always been a club that gave managers time, except for Roy Hodgson, who wasn't a FSG signing and King Kenny, who was a stop gap, all previous managers have been allowed time. In time you will see that BR will make things good. We will be playing good football and winning matches. We will be challenging for honours again but it won't be immediate.
Please guys show the rest of the world what true dedicated supporters we have always been and have patience. Give the manager time to get things right and stop being so fickle.
MUSHROOM
You have had a tough start playing three of the top four sides within the first five games, but you mustn't forget that you have played them all at home and you should be winning your home games no matter who you are playing against. If Stoke do it most seasons then so should Liverpool.
Disney! {Ed063's Note - Fair point Disney, however silly errors have cost us against City and United. Barring those errors (and some contentious refereeing decisions) we would have 6 points from city, united and Arsenal. Not making excuses though - we should be winning}
Nonsense, Kenny was not a stop gap. Why did Fsg give him a 3 year contract? If he had got Liverpool in the top 4 he would still be there. Stick to the facts.
The fact is King Kenny was asked to step in when Hodgson left as a stop gap, until a suitable replacement could be found. KK then had a good set of results and moved the team up the table and brought a feelgood factor back to the club. If FSG had not given KK a contract then, there would have been uproar amongst the suporters. So KK was a stop gap.
MUSHROOM
Kenny had a 3 year contract
Rodgers has a 3 year contract.
Are they both stop gaps?
We have played 3 of the top 4 but we have also played 2 of the bottom half and only taken 1 point from them.
Too many excuses, excuses win you nothing, Rodgers has to start looking at himself.
Ed063, all clubs receive contentious refereeing decisions which is of course unlucky. But silly errors and hitting the posts/crossbar or missing penalties isn't unlucky like many on here seem to think, it's just poor finishing.
Disney!
24 Sep 2012 10:10:05
Ok so looking at the next three games id say Rodgers needs 7 points or the fans will turn, lots of excuses coming he needs time and we are playing nice football and Rodgers has an idea in his head Liverpool was built on winning and playing nice football, but he is wrong Liverpool was built on WINNING, nothing else, we are Liverpool and already our position after 5 games is disgraceful, Rodgers needs to stop trying to do too much too soon, in any sport the golden rule is win first look good second. i am a believer that Rodgers could do something good in the future but if we continue to struggle with his tactics he may not be given time to build something, i dont see any ideas in how to score goals or any threat up top at all, plus we are leaking goals at the back, a very bad and dangerous combination.
cobra
Cobra,
The great liverpool in the 70's/80's clearing were about winning with style and not budging from the passing philosphy. That is clear as day.
Yesterday we played well and should of won. Just simply things didn't go our way. The only thing I can say that has really disappointed and think could of made a difference yesterday was not signing a striker who would bang them in. That's the only thing we were missing yesterday. The tactics were spot on from the first to the last minute.
JD
24 Sep 2012 09:52:56
So, the nightmare scenario unfolds- debate was strong about whether or not to cash in on Agger, the majority wanting to keep the player despite his injury record. Looks like we'll only get 3 1/2 league games out of him now.
Really bad luck, along with Borini & Kelly injuries. And with Shelvey banned for 3 games, things aren't going to get easier quickly. Shame because I think Hansen's "kids" comment could be disproved again by this bunch.
Exciting future awaits- this year will see the seeds sown and next year we'll start to see the rewards.
Mrpjd
It is i suppose a bit fortunate that if we are to have injuries then thank our lucky stars that they are in defence. We have cover there at least in the shape of Coates, Enrique and Wisdom etc. If we get injuries up front then we are screwed big time!
The Irish Rover
24 Sep 2012 09:48:39
Borini is world class we are very lucky to have him give him time he is our new fowler
I think ur getting kinda carried away. Borini will no doubt b a decent enough player for us, but the new Fowler? No chance.
Indian Buzzer
24 Sep 2012 09:44:54
I have one question - what the *&^%$ is henderson doing trying to flick the ball back in the middle of the park y'day!?!? Well done - resulted in a goal and agger injury. arghh!! Get rid.
Henderson wasn't on the pitch when utd scored u geek
It was suso you muppet
It was Agger who tried to flick the ball back
Of course he was you absolute clown...his fk up in the middle led to the break away which resulted in the penalty...and then THE GOAL. Sorry for now spelling this out for your limited capacity.Agger was trying to clean up his mess and collided with Johnson...
It was Agger to be fair. He then scrambled back and got hurt. But Henderson is not good enough and needs to go out on loan at least.
It was Suso. Watch it again then apologise
It was suso that passed the ball to agger
24 Sep 2012 09:39:47
Guys I'm an Arsenal fan and I know you're all gutted right now, but try and have some faith, you really are playing some great stuff, you look like you have some quality youngsters, you shipped out players you needed to and I know it sucks but you've got a chance to build something really good with BR. Give him and the team a chance, you will no way even be close to relegation at the end of the season. Really good luck to all of you for the rest of this one.
Stoner.
Im an arsenal fan as well,and all i can say is get off your knees stoner and get back to our own page and praise the team for our performance yesturday. i suspect your not an arsenal fan anyway,so dont bother, just stay here on your own page
trev the gooner {Ed063's Note - What a strange post Trev}
We are not just getting any luck mate bit like yourselves last season and it didn't turn out too bad for you guys.
RB
Good to see genuine football supporters making sensible comments - totally agree.
Thanks mate, and it's good to see a rival fan posting in support of our team, when our own 'supporters' are already screaming for Brendan's head after five games, three of which were against very tough opposition.
If we are still losing games and talking about bad luck/decisions etc at Christmas then I'll be worried, but at least we are playing some good football. Under Roy we were simply awful to watch.
Its hard to watch us losing games, but we have to look at this as a long term project. Brendan is making fundamental changes to the way we play, and he is working on a tight budget- and in those circumstances we cannot expect a top 4 side to develop overnight.
And in the meantime we are going to make mistakes.
I think Kenny managed the team well but that he chose poor players, and he paid the price when his signings failed to deliver.
It can't be a coincidence that we did so well when he was still using Rafa's old players in 2011- Maxi, Kuyt, etc.
When he started using his own bought-in players, it all went wrong.
We have to give Rodgers a chance- and the fact is that we have no option anyway. Can we really afford to pay out on another multi million pound contract severance?
TC
Two facts Trevor, firstly I am an Arsenal fan, secondly I'm sure it's not Just your mum who thinks your special. You person. I meant every word I said Liverpool will come good under BR.
Stoner.
Stoner, you have a bit of mud on your nose there mate. Well at least it looks like mud.
Disney!
Ed063,strange is what strange does ed lol.im on a mission to "out" the plastics and imposters,im of to the citeh and chelski sites next,,i fear i may be gone for some quite considerable time,wish me luck
trev the gooner
24 Sep 2012 09:21:19
any news on kelly?
Tommy.
I heard through the grapevine that he is to appear in a new adaptation of Anton Chekhov's The Seagull by the award-winning playwright Anya Reiss.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
24 Sep 2012 09:17:11
With Suarez diving all the time it is going to get to a point where even if it is a penalty referees are not going to give one due to his antics. Get rid in January along with Henderson and Downing.
I dont think he dives, he just does'nt seem strong enough to stay on his feet when a challenge comes in.One thing though is that he does'nt seem to be aware of any players around him to pass the ball to,head down all the time
Or you could just download the patch and fix the bug.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
"I don't think he dives"
Easily the dumbest and most biased post I have ever read on this page ;)
Disney!
He dives, like 90% of footballers nowadays. But he does it within the rules (which sounds pathetic), he waits for contact - then goes down.
Stone YNWA.
He makes the most of a touch on him. As do many including english players. Welbeck and Young ring a bell!
In any small contact like any challenge, any player have to go down, if he dosnt, may bracke the leg, he dosent get a decisition on his favor becouse de media dosnt like him, as the same situation with benitez
I once saw a comment that Ashley Young doesn't dive once!
IMO it was a penalty, but can completely understand why it wasn't given because it looked as though Evans got the ball. It isn't until you zoom in and slow it down that you can see that Evans missed the ball by an inch. Referees do not have that luxury unfortunately. Also many players nowadays will take a dive including Ashley Young and Danny Welbeck, but that still doesn't take away the fact that Suarez is one of the worst culprits in the game for simulation and some nugget said that he doesn't dive. Hilarious.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - he didn't do anything like as many dives as Kagawa yesterday, despite having many more chances to do so, does that mean Kagawa is one of the worst culprits too?}
Ed001, are you really going to defend Suarez as not being one of the worst culprits for diving in the game? Good luck winning that case mate.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - no, I am saying you should stop throwing stones because you have Young, Kagawa and Nani who are all just as bad. So give it up and move on, you are just making yourself look silly.}
Ed001, I don't think I am the one that's come out of this discussion looking silly. I have said that Young and Welbeck dive and I said Suarez deserved a penalty yesterday.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - yet you still come on here spouting off about Suarez? Sydney just give it up. You have nothing to add to this discussion whatsoever. You are whining about one player who dived once yesterday, while Kagawa dived on at least 5 occasions, perhaps you should just stop now.}
Ed001, I haven't whined once about Suarez. I didn't even mention yesterday's game. I cannot even remember Suarez diving once. I was merely replying to a poster who said he doesn't think Suarez dives.
Disney!
24 Sep 2012 09:14:12
Recent post states: If the league was to finish now we would be relegated - classic. The fact is it is true. We are third bottom for a reason - we only have 2 points, we have only scored 4 goals and we have conceded 10 goals. That is relegation material.
We have a new manager, a new system to learn and a lot of new players in the 1st team.
Things need to be put into perspective.
We will not be relegated this season.
BR needs at lest 3 transfer windows to get the right players in.
If that means we finish in the bottom half this season, I don't have a problem with that.
We just need to stick with BR.
We have played 3 of the top 4 teams and should have beaten 2 of them (taking out the defensive errors against City and the ref's decision against Utd.
Sterling and Suso are awesome.
Allen is the player the team should be built around as well.
Lucas will be back soon too.
24 Sep 2012 09:02:10
Ed2 mate what is managers job in footy to find results or to set up style {Ed002's Note - Results will always be most important to the club as it breeds success. Results with style is the nirvana for most fans.}
24 Sep 2012 09:01:53
Rodgers shows no enthusiasm or passion when getting interviewed or on the touchline. This job is too big for him.
Go home we don't want fans like you it's clear to see that Halsey had a shocker yesterday and Rodgers went mad when we scored if you cared to watch the game
Yea, Rafa was the same, and what did we win with him? you dope
Did you see rodgers reaction when we scored?! Try watching the game before commenting as you clearly didn't
What do you want him to do start doing the conga down the touch line when we score or start granddad clapping like Purple nose!?
People have different temperament that doesn't mean they are more or less passionate than the next man.
GGK
24 Sep 2012 08:59:15
We will fly soon. Have faith. 1 mistake cost us the city win, 1 shot saved Sunderland and a dodgy ref gave united the win. We didn't play we'll enough to beat arsenal but they are in form at the minute. We have had 1 really bad game against west brom. It will click, we will rack up the points and we will improve every game. Lets show the world why we are the best fans in the world and support our team.
Make that half a game vs WBA.
24 Sep 2012 08:53:40
Well Brendan when you are having your breakfast and reading the paper just look at the Premiership Table and note that we ARE third bottom with 2 points.
Arsenal were in a simialar position last season, and they finished quite strong.
its only 5 games in, so plz do not panic.
what we need to do, as liverpool fans, (the greatest football fans in the world, by the way..), is to get behind the team, get behind brendan, and cheer them on every game. as brendan rightly says, the fans are the extra player. no other ground has the atmosphere that anfield has. lets keep it that way.
YNWA.
UNCLE ZAINY BEAR.
24 Sep 2012 08:30:52
Worst start for over 100 years and Mr Rodgers is happy. What!
Look at the bigger picture and maybe a lack of support by the board. I think we are playing some really good football under Rodgers.
Mighty reds
Mighty reds mate why you say lack of support by board. Why don't you say Rogers wasted money on Borini and its realy coasting us
Liverpool played really good football last season. Created lots of chances, hit the woodwork on numerous occasions, totally dominated teams but Kenny was sacked because of results. Fans wanted his head and ridiculed him on this forum. Rodgers should stand or fall by his results also. I see no difference between this season and last, except at the minute the results are worse.
The Irish Rover
Kenny wasn't for the long term future of the club he never was. It was always the intention that when they could get another manager that would play with that style and was younger he would step aside and the younger guy would be given the chance. It's as simple as that Irish Rover! When Kenny had a bad start last season was everyone calling for his head already?
No.
Simple really. We played well yesterday and if that continues we will be successful and control games for once.
JD
24 Sep 2012 13:03:36
irish rover, we were predominantly awful (bar a few games, everton@home, man city, carling cup) from january onwards under dalglish. the league form was the worst for as far back as many can remember and that was after him having the team for nearly 18 months. he (rodgers) is 5 games in and already the football is at a better level with results not dissimilar to how kenny faired against the same teams in corresponding fixtures but i don't remeber kenny's team dominating a man utd side with 10 man.
as a realistic fan i had no expectations to see the team really settle into the system for maybe 8-10 league games.
get off rodgers's back, KD was given an opportunity to build a team to challenge with the opportunity to buy 1st the players he thought would be able to contend and then sell the players he didn't want after his buys were acquired. it didn't work, we have to move on.
kenny was given 16-18 months, if you want equal opportunities then there's your real answer!
s.p
24 Sep 2012 08:30:03
Could someone please tell me what Henderson brings to the team cos I cant see anything.
Watch a game then.
Or if you can't be bothered, last Thursday we were 3-3 and his two top draw passes laid off for Shelvey to bang them in. Credit to Shelvey though, there was still a lot of work to do.
He was brought on because we were down to 10 men. Sterling is physically small and light so Henderson replaced him to add weight, height and muscle in order to try and offset United's one-man advantage. Incidentally, Henderson is a good player. RED LENIN
24 Sep 2012 08:29:22
So Rodgers is really happy with our team. Lets look at the facts: we are third bottom, if the league was to finish now we would be relegated. We have had our worst start for 101 years. We have played 5 games and have only 2 points, scoring 4 and conceding 10. The table never lies. We got rid of Carroll and replaced him with ... nothing! Next weeks game at Norwich is a 6 pointer. Well Brendan, are you still happy with our team?
"If the league finished now we would be relagated".... Classic..!
Myk
Well it's a good job the league doesn't Finnish after only 5 games lol
So it's Brendan's fault we didn't replace AC is it?
We will not finish in the bottom 3 and I'm excited by the youth coming through. Man Utd built their success exactly the same way. Try and look at the bigger picture.
Owen
Brendan has to be positive and therefore can not be truthfull , things will get better , we need a striker and we need to stop wasting money borini 11 million everton got two very good players for 10million
Imagine if the league finished... seriously?!
When did the FA bring the league to an abrupt end after five games. I don't know when Lfc fans became such opportunists.
cheers, Felmil GH.
If the league stopped now then next season Merseyside derby would be against Tranmere.
Seriously though, the teams we've lost against now sit in 2nd, 4th and 5th. Whilst beating us helped them, they got there because they're good teams.
From the corresponding games last season we got 5 points.
The differences being:
Against WBA we won. If it hadn't been for some bad ref decisions then we may have drawn or won that.
Against Man U. If Shelvey hadnt been sent off (or at least, if Evans had been too) or if Suarez got his penalty then we would have been home and dry well before Utd got their winner.
If the league finished now I'd want the money back on my season ticket. What a rip off...
...seriously though what a ridiculous statement.
It's been a difficult, disappointing start but one in which we can actually hold our heads up high.
Sometimes when things don't go your way it's breeds solidarity within the squad.
Judge BR, and the team in May - not after 5 games.
Joe
24 Sep 2012 06:40:27
Hi Eds, I would like to know that if LFC really interested in bringing in Isco and Herrera? Also how about Llorente (although I don't think we can get him)?
Another question has been stuck in my brain for months and I really want to know the truth: where is Doni and why he is "disappeared"?
Cheers, YNWA,
Zann {Ed002's Note - I would really not hold your breath over the likes of Llorente and Isco joining anytime soon. Doni has be dealt with - so give the search engine a run.}
24 Sep 2012 06:26:44
liverpool played an outstanding game. a red card is a red card. and BOTH players should have been sent off. i think liverpool showed signs of how they are going to play. all we need is to sign a "ian rush/robbie fowler" type goal scorer.
and now i know who manCHEATER united bought in the last transfer window.
(the bloody referee....!!)
UNLCE ZAINY BEAR.
24 Sep 2012 06:23:38
In Brendan we trust
24 Sep 2012 05:55:14
I just wanted to make some points if the Eds indulge me.
It gets really frustrating reading the comments of some of our own fans when they keep referring to anyone giving negative comment as being a plastic fan. I am not a plastic fan because I do not give persons undying loyalty. I give MY club undying loyalty! The rest is up for earning by people such as Shankley, Paisley, Fagan, Fowler, Gerrard, Carra and the like...and ONCE they earn it THEY are LEGENDS! This is how it works. They are not simply given status by wearing our great red shirt, they have to earn it.
I'm not a Rafa fan...he didn't earn it...I'm not a Dalglish fan (as latest reincarnated manager version 2.0)...he didn't earn it....the list is endless since KD left the first time and it is open for debate whether Buck will yet come good...BUT to suggest that all and any criticism of him or others at our club makes someone false, fake or plastic is a disgrace. Last I checked FREE SPEECH is something we value highly as an indicator of our wonderfully civilised democracy NOT as a marker for the latest sheep down the shearing lane. Stop criticising people simply because they disagree with you...opinion is an open thing and the best people change their opinions all the time this is the mark of mental evolution rather than the single-minded blindness of a fool!
We're awesome and going to win the league for sure!..
I disagree with anti Rodgers comments cos there wrong. I trust him because of what he says and how he is trying to bring things round. I also like his philosophy! I judge someone making a meal when it is on the table not when I see the peeling the spuds... Where 5 games in and I like Rodgers restaurant reviews!
Rafa won the Champions league with Troure, that is an achievement unrivaled by any legend!
24 Sep 2012 05:22:07
Well, that was interesting. We seem to be learning the new system the hardest way possible, that is, making mistakes and being ruthlessly punished for it.
We were always going to have a difficult start to the season with limited transfers in and a new manager at the helm. Every team during a season has a "Bad Patch". I just hope the past 5 PL games were our "Bad Patch" this year. But then again, I kept thinking the exact same thing last year when we played teams off the park, but didn't get the result and later on we had a really bad run. The rest, you all know.
Putting aside the popular discussion points ( Mark Halsley, the injuries & the youngsters coming through), we have to now get positive results. We need to wise up.
We have the joint 3rd worst defence (10 conceded) and the joint 3rd worst attack (4 scored) now in the league. No matter how they come doesn't matter, but we need to hit the net as everyone knows. There can't be no excuses, and I am sure that is what Brendan will try to do; ask Stewart Downing, who wasn't even in the playing squad yesterday.
Our next 5 games are Norwich (A), Stoke City (H), Reading (H), Everton (A), Newcastle (H) before playing Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. We need to get atleast 13 points from the next 5 and carry on the form on to the Chelsea game. Infact, I would say this is our chance to up our game, take our chances and be ruthless. We need to win these games or we are possibly looking at repeating what we said last summer, " We were unlucky ", poor finishing and ultimately a poor finishing position in the league.
Sorry for the long post, but just summarizing what we need to do as every one of you will know.
Thanks,
The real AG
24 Sep 2012 03:41:20
Up front Suso Suarez Sterling (Borini injured)
Midfield Gerrard Henderson Allen (Shelvey red card, Sahin needs time, Lucas injured)
24 Sep 2012 01:36:09
So the game today frustrated me a lot so I decided to work out my anger at the gym. But I have only been able to start jogging recently after ACL surgery and had practically worked myself to death and when I was about to give up I hit next on my ipod and You'll Never Walk Alone came on shuffle. This is one song out of almost 2000 and it really made my day better. I ended up finishing my first mile since I had the surgery and it made me realize something. Today was an annoying day and I hate losing to the manc, but we are Liverpool. We are not some band wagon team that had a short run and will never be a top team again. It kills me to the point of ruining my week if we lose but I am right there when the next game starts cheering and yelling at my tv and driving my girlfriend insane. At the end of the day we are a family and if someone wants to disagree with this post like a plastic fan or a manc that's fine because it only makes me that much more of a supporter of this great team. I will always love Liverpool and no matter what anyone says or does It is my home and to the true fans, We will truly never walk alone as long as we keep this family together.
Red Rat
Hells yeah. If we played in championship next season,i'd still support them!
WBD
23 Sep 2012 23:33:23
Do you think we will appeal the card?
Would it be worth it?
Noshbag
Personally I don't think it's worth it, the issue isn't so much the card, it's more to do with Evans staying on the pitch for the exact same challenge. I think if they were both sent off we wouldn't be debating it too much. Of course no one can now give Evans a red card so I wouldn't have thought they would appeal. {Ed063's Note - It was a yellow - never a red in my opinion. I'd appeal it}
The red card was well deserved. Whether or not Evans should have been carded too isn't a factor.
No, it was a sending off if you follow the rulebook to the letter. The anger was that the referee should have exercised common sense and even if he was going to be an person and kill the game by handing out red cards, both Johnny Evans and Van Persie should also have been sent off. I dont think the ref got much wrong today other than consistency, an argument could be made in favour of all of his decisions that he gave United's way but Liverpool should have been afforded the same strict decision making when they claimed for penalties and red cards.
Rusty
23 Sep 2012 23:29:30
Andy Carroll, would have been the difference today.
Le Rouge
Only if he was doing referee.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
A better call would be if Lucas was playing instead of Shelvey. no offence to Shelvey, i really like Shelvey, just meant to say that losing Lucas is another big blow to us this season.
Kaizer
The Norwich game will be interesting.
Do they have a striker ?
23 Sep 2012 23:27:01
What's to be impressed about.
If I want to watch losing teams I would support Tranmere.
The coach has no plan bar his so called system. If this is the future we will need to rely on youngsters but no serious player will want to join a serial loser.
The only reason he has the youngsters is because he cut 6 of the senior squad, the ones who made the team the third hardest to score against last season.
BR had no answer today. It was SG to his rescue. Nothing to do with his system. And having no substitute left with nearly ten minutes of the game left them open like an amateur team for the last minutes.
Man up. He said. Well Kelly, Agger and Boreini won't be able to. Norwich must be quaking with tax tics like this
Jmac
EeeeermmmmWHAT ???????
nope i read it again and still dont no WTF yor going on about, But this is a football site if your looking to renew your TAX tics (tics must mean disc) then your on the wrong site pal
UCCM
Yeah, Rodgers should start planning for the possibility of us playing with ten men for more than half of the game and then picking up injuries.
Go and find a team that wins every game and support them.
Rigsby.
U have to understand that Rodgers has real believes in the youngsters, and in return the youngsters believed in themselves as well.
Kaizer
1. Tranmere are top of their league, so not much losing there.
2. If jonjo hadn't of been sent off I think the 2nd half would have been pretty much the same as the 1st, ie complete domination.
3. Ridiculous penalty decision
4. The referees seem to be communally cucumbering us the monkey hole at the moment. Surely this can't go on.
5. Chin up
CQ
Off ya go then
RB
There is this lovely little team i can recommend to you, winning most games, nice jerseys, called barcelona, go and support them.
23 Sep 2012 23:18:16
All i'm going to say is well done Stevie G. You left your heart out on the field and played your best game in years. What a response
YNWA
GOD
23 Sep 2012 23:05:54
BR must think about his defence rather than attack. 3+2+1+2+2 not a very good defending . play 3 CB BR .
r-r