Liverpool Banter Archive July 25 2012
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25 Jul 2012 21:38:37
I don't see what all the fuss is over Allen,,, I'd much rather Shelvey getting his chance ...
Random Red ...
Completely different kinds of CMs in my opinion. It would be like comparing Xavi to Fabregas.
25 Jul 2012 21:28:49
Take 18m for carroll then add 50m from chelsea for torres, deduct 35m to nufc and make a cheeky bid of 20m for torres , profit of 13m and we get torres back ! Not bad for 18months work
You are overlooking one small detail here I'm afraid but good maths though mate
LOL. That's actually quite funny.
Not bad except we end up with a lazy prima donna who's legs went two years ago and has forgot where the goal is. What's it like to spend your life living in 2009?
cozinoz
Hhaha don't know if i'd want him back but love the logic!
RED GRECO
25 Jul 2012 21:16:49
Incase anyone is fortunate enough to have ESPN & unfortunate enough to suffer from slow broadband, the Liverpool vs Roma game is being broadcast live on ESPN at 11.30 (UK)
Cheers
ForzaRed
25 Jul 2012 21:16:14
ED1 whats your take on how our transfer dealings have been handled so far this window. First we had the Wed-site issue with Dempsey and now Swansea expressing disappointment with us not honoring our agreement. Personally i trust the owners and am very pleased with how they have started to transform our finances and run our club as a business i just would like our transfer dealings to look a bit more slicker?
All the best
D Johnson {Ed001's Note - Swansea are just looking to stir up an auction, in my opinion. The mess with Dempsey was, quite frankly, embarrassing and has caused a lot of trouble. Neither are really the fault of the owners, as such.}
Watching the game on.Espn.and.jay
Spearing is shocking
25 Jul 2012 21:15:53
We need to make a statement by buying a big named player in my view. We need to attract a world class footballer to the club for this season. I think we should try and sign.... Higuain, Cavani, Falcao, Soldado, Pato, Huntelaar. One of these types of players, not even a striker maybe a midfielder.... Navas, Gaitan, Honda, Martinez. We just need the best available top player we can find to make a impact on a great club that we are, think of the morale boost it would guve us etc. Come on BR go get him son.
Pls post want to no peeps forts, nice1 eds great site
Well the 'forts' of this particular 'peep' are that you are an idiot. You want us to buy the best available person we can find to raise morale? Are you serious? Never mind about football, or what the team needs then! Let's just go out and buy someone you have decided is a 'big name'. Give me strength!!
Easier said than done mate.
25 Jul 2012 19:36:55
A question for the eds, it looks like joe Allen is on his way to anfield, we are overloaded with central midfielders, which of our cm do you think will be shown the door by br? , top site ,keep it up. {Ed001's Note - I don't believe he has made his decision yet, from what I can gather, hence the talk of sending one or two on loan. They can be assessed better when playing regularly. We don't have as much strength there as it may appear, when you consider how weak we were there last season just by losing Lucas.}
I wish people would stop saying were overloaded with central midfielders, look what happend last season as soon as lucas got injured, we fell apart, his replacement spearing clearly isn't good enough, charlie adam isn't good enough and can't defend or track back to save his life, isn't fit enough to play rodgers type of football and may well be moved on , gerrard unfortuntly isn't getting any younger and will not play that many games due to his regular injury problems. Henderson and shelvey are still very young, aquilani does not want be at the club full stop so how are we overloaded? Dennis 89
Plus rodgers plays a 433 system which consists of 3 central midfielders. Dennis 89
25 Jul 2012 21:11:26
whatever happened to the addage "you don`t speak about players from other clubs"
Alan pardew, mark hughes, to name but 2, today talking about liverpool FC players and in my opinion showing a total lack of respect to liverpool.
I find it lacks any class at all.
Fits well then! Because LOLverpool have no class either.
DB-red
I think we need a High profile ceo.
I agree mate. But don't forget that FSG had Dempsey signed on their official website. If the FA punish managers for talking about other teams players. Then FSG are fooked.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Whereas we have talked about Dempsey and Allen while they are at their respective clubs. Can't ask for inconsistency
Rodgers talking about Joe Allen lack of respect?
Wasn't Rodgers talking about Allen last week? So don't make out that we're perfect when conducting our business.
Brendan speaking about dempsey?
BthekingB
Yep, agreed, but unless I'm wrong didn't Brendan Rodgers mention Joe Allen before the Toronto game? Same goes for us.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
As long as rodgers doesn't do it. liverpool are above that.
derryred
25 Jul 2012 21:08:39
Hi all, eds.
Got to say, big respect for br. Having and agreement with swansea ( which tbh was a mistake on both sides in the first place ) about signing their players.
Hes going for it, understandably, swansea fans will be infuriated with him, and rightly so, but as a biast lfc fan, i think we should look at this move showing his commitment to lfc.
He obviously believes Allen is good enough, whether we do or not is opinion. He wouldnt risk upsetting this many people if he didnt. He knew the release clause, what ever it may be, and is prepared to go for it.
If anyone cares for my opinon on the player....
He is a talent, he controls the ball extremely well, gives little passes, sensible passes, and long passes. Flys into the tackles from out of no where and is successfull most the time ( bit like macherano style of tackling ) Extremely fit, not afraid to go box to box. Also not afraid to drop a shoulder and go past a man, he is very quick....
(also ive always wanted a player called allen so i can have my name on a shirt )
Well done GBR ladies btw :D
Benny (allen) baller
You respect BR for breaking an agreement with Swansea? That is definitely not the Liverpool way and if it's true is nothing short of a disgrace.
I fear for our great club if people really think its ok to behave that way
Chris in Tamworth
I think it shows a lack of class on Br part for going back on his word.
I so hope that rodgers did not go back on his word also, but i will wait until i have a better clue about what agreement was actually made. Rodgers has a reputation for being very honest so i hope its not as black and white as it may seem
gareth
25 Jul 2012 20:59:44
Personally I feel that Dempsey would be a perfect short term option for us alongside Gerrard in the middle. With suso as our long term investment in the middle along with Jonjo and Hendo.
People saying he is 29 & therefor he isn't seen as good option, but my take is that we need imminent results and the only way we can do that is by getting players who is in tune with their abilities, and if he can perform to a certain level for only two more seasons then why not? we have Suso, Jonjo and Henderson who are there to then make that transition into key players.
Isn't everyone saying ooh I'm sick of seeing Henderson get stick and Lucas wasn't an overnight success etc etc... well having Dempsey there will take some of that pressure away, as well as making them work for their spot which is the only thing that is different between Henderson and Lucas, is that Lucas had to compete against the likes of Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano, while Henderson got the easy way into the stating 11 (by us not having enough senior players). and that made Lucas a much better player.
If we get Allen, suso's chances are going to be cut drastically whether he is good enough or not because the manager would want to play the player he brought to make him a success.
We can use the "£15m" for Allen and combine that with the sale of Carroll to buy a Striker that can be talked in the same breath as Suarez or in that neighborhood.
Higuain, Pato & maybe Benzema are 3 that comes to mind that are available at the right price. Since Real Madrid want to generate funds for Cavani and Both Pato & Milan might be persuaded into calling it a day but only if an acceptable offer came in that is.
For Higuain and Benzema each would demand fees of around £30m
Pato would be around £22m - £25m
Then sell Downing for 10-12m and get Kevin Mirallas for around £7m to provide healthy competition for Borini, Suarez and the other striker.
with that in mind our team could over this summer period be a year or even years ahead of what FSG and ourselves thought.
Reina
Glen, Skrtel, Agger, Jose
Lucas
Gerrard, DEMPSEY
BORINI, HIGUAIN, Suarez
Jones, Kelly, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Suso, MIRALLAS.
rest of the squad; carragher, cole, aquilani, sterling, pacheco, robinson, flanagan, sama, wisdom, spearing, gulacsi.
outs
Downing 10m
Carroll 18m
Bellamy 2m
kuyt 500k
Adam 5m
= 35.5m
ins
Borini 10.5m
Dempsey 7.5m
Higuain 30m
Mirallas 7.5m
= 55.5m - Take away player sales (35.5m) = £20m net spending for three strikers and a midfielder.
This is only the way feel and obviously my opinion is subject to debate, which I welcome and look forward to.
Haych
What about 15m pound for Allen?
I think a striker like HiguaĂn, Pato or Benzema is a bit of a pipe dream. I'd like it to happen though.
Rob
He wont be bought as a central midfielder.
25 Jul 2012 20:52:24
Swansea reject liverpool's 12 million pound plus a loan player believed to be shelvey, apparently they have told liverpool of the deal they made about liverpool not approaching swansea for any of their players, in my opinion it could take more than 15 million to get allen and if a biding war starts with united also interested it could hit 20 million, i believe we have enough midfielders and shelvey look to be progressing very well i would rather spend 15 million on adam johnson or another attacking option than spend 15 million plus on allen although i think he would be a good addition at the right price, e.g henderson should have cost 10 million tops not 16 rising to whatever amount it was, thoughts eds? Who would you rather bring in or should liverpool blow alot off money on allen, great site btw {Ed001's Note - I would rather have Allen than Johnson. I don't see the problem with going for Allen, the manager rates him, that is enough for me to give him the chance to prove himself. If we can still push through the move for Dempsey (though the mistake at NESN has put that in the balance), I would be happy with that. Dempsey is far better than people realise, that is why he has been able to play multiple positions so easily.}
25 Jul 2012 20:50:32
Why are we looking to waste money on even more average players? We have enough of them already in spearing, cole, downing, Carroll, aqua, Adam, henderson and Rogers thinks Allen, boroni and Dempsey are an improvement! why waste the little money we do have on 3 players and buy one quality who may actually make the difference and keep what we have.
Wish we had kept Kuyt now looking at what's coming in! Not very excited by what's happening at the club, the owners seem to be making lots of noises yet going nowhere fast. They should have stuck to baseball.
I think we should stop being so negative and give br a chance! I think all LFC fans should stick together and give as much support as we can!
100% agreed.
So who do you suggest we get in?
This will be interesting! PJ
Kuyt was never to be faulted for stamina and endevour and scored a lot of important goals for us but his close ball control was abysmal. Agree to be sad that he has now left the club but as has previously been said by many fans, Allen is known to Rogers and he must see him fitting into his plans.Agree with Eds reply that Dempsey is a lot better player than people give him credit for. Good Luck for next season lads.
Redbill 16
25 Jul 2012 20:47:46
Would just like to know why people make a big fuss about the price of players? If the player is going to improve the team and the manager wants him then what is the problem? Red89
Its like if you want a £1 million house and you've only got 10 quid then there's going to be a bit of fuss isn't there?
25 Jul 2012 20:46:17
hi bot great job you've all done.
Just really angry at newcastle. Who is Alan Pardew to talk bout andy carroll and tell us to cut our losses?? i think andy will do fine this season. Also, FA should charge Alan Pardew and should mind his own business
:X
angryLFCfan
Alan pardrew is an arrogant a*******!! Don't listen to anything he says
25 Jul 2012 20:45:19
carroll is not wanted at your club as per your managers coments. pardew wants to sign the player, but his price dropped so why would Newcastle pay out of their noses for him. If we dont buy him who will? If west ham are stupid enough to pay 17 mil for him then fair enough, but everyone knows he is not worth that. if no one buys him he will sit on your bench on 80k a week until january when his price will have reduced again... 15 mil tops for carroll.
Hes not on 80k a week, and a 23 year old striker whos unplayable at times is easily worth 20m in todays game.
Like any marketplace, a product is only worth what people are willing to pay for him, regardless of sticker price. If Liverpool value Andy Carroll at 20 mil but other clubs are only prepared tp pay 15, well common sense should tell you thats all that he is worth to other clubs. Personally I just wish the club would sell for whatever they can get and end this saga or it will drag on endlessly.
BrisbaneLFC
25 Jul 2012 20:42:37
Gk
Fabricio - real betis - 2mil
25 Jul 2012 20:41:51
Does anybody know how i can follow tonights game?
Cheers, Nicky {Ed001's Note - ESPN.}
Its on a site called First Row sports mate...
Very good site for all games
25 Jul 2012 20:28:07
Regardless of any agreement which may or may not be in place between the clubs lets just talk about the source of this info.
This news has been released by the Swansea press office to Sky Sports etc.... Liverpool have said ZIP.
If he does have a release clause then surely as the manager when he signed the contract then Brendan Rodgers would have been party to it.... Thats not his fault that he may know about the clause... It was his job to know!
I think this is pure propaganda from the Swansea end of things.... Placate the fans, make Liverpool look like the bad guys...Again!
Ed, surely the purpose of a clause such as Allen's is that the club puts the release price at a level which is acceptable to the club?
So if we match the clause then Swansea have got a price for the player which they were happy to recieve because it says that in his contract.
If he is on his way then I am well happy.... Another player who can keep hold of the ball...
jonnybarnes89-90
25 Jul 2012 20:22:38
If Pardew want Carroll so badly, he can pay what he thought he was worth 18 months ago.
Or he can do one.
Ben the Red
I agree,.,.
I have to say im astounded at the interview Pardew has given there.. surely he cannot make such comments about another clubs player.. the FA should act on that and tell him to either put a bid in or shut up.. Who the hell does he think he is telling us to drop the price of a player we havent said is for sale!
ItsNotRocketScience
Lets keep big andy f*** alan pardew we dont want to sell he does not want to go if we get rid he will come back and bite you on the arse and i know king kenny bought him he will come good
25 Jul 2012 20:13:12
A few days ago Allen got lots of mentions on here and Twitter saying he's not good enough, he can't compete at the highest level, he's not Gaston 'God' Ramirez. What they were basing this was Allen's performance against Brazil. Firstly I thought he played well, but that's besides the point.
He was surrounded by a mix of okay/good/even great (in their time). Players who had been thrown together with a buffoon of a manager and asked to play against a highly talented, energetic and experienced (in that most had played together for a while) Brazil team. What exactly were they expecting, him to dribble past four and score a wonder goal. Or completely dominate the game winning every tackle, when stuck next to an ageing Giggs and clueless Cleverly.
Allen has been exceptional for Swansea all season, but he's not a flashy player so he's gone under the radar of most modern fans. He didn't hit the MOTd fever crowd or the show pony YouTube audience. He just went about his business played his game and got praise from the people that count, his manager and Swansea's fans. His ball control is excellent, his passing simple but composed and his positional awareness brilliant.
I don't know why after watching the Euro's, where Spain completely dominated games that people can't see the need for Allen. I've commented recently about Lucas being the key to our team and that's because games are won and lost in the midfield battle. If you control a game, then you have the ball. If you have the ball and the opposing team doesn't then you stretch that team, you probe for openings and spaces and ultimately you create clear chances if you're patient.
Last year we dominated some games, but most of the openings were from okay crosses from Downing, delivered from poor areas or from a slaloming run from Suarez, which after passing two or free he gets dizzy and puts it wide. They were chances snatched at, forced and not comfortably taken shots, well not often anyway.
If Allen joins and plays with Lucas then we may build a platform, like when Alonso and Mascherano were here, that crucial balance in midfield that both starts and stops attacks. Personally on their day Alonso, Gerrard and Masch were the best midfield in world football. They had everything and each had a very specific role that worked for the team.
Lucas, Allen and Gerrard whilst not in the same league, still offer a great balance to our team. In the next few years I'd hope Suso replaces Gerrard and becomes that midfield maestro, in a completely different style of course.
I personally think this team is capable of great things
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas
Allen
Gerrard
Dempsey Suarez
Borini
We've got some good experience in players like Kelly, Coates, Henderson and Shelvey all maturing and further back from that Sterling, Suso, Robinson and Ibe showing signs of real quality.
We have a manager who knows what he wants to achieve and has experienced backroom staff he trusts, to make sure things run his way.
I've been harping on about our long term future and building sustainable wit our youth project for a while now. I know it's hard to see clubs like Chelsea signing all of this talent, but in reality we really have to start relying on our own.
I'll leave you with this. What's ultimately more rewarding buying a £30 million pound player, who all the big clubs in Europe want. Or producing a player of that quality who goes onto light up the worlds stage. For the first time we may have players in our squad capable of becoming world class, if they live up to their potential and that's something to revel in.
Papa G
Excellent critique and I hope you prove all these doubters wrong.....let's look forward to an exciting season !
This only holds true if Allen submits a transfer request of if someone else tables a bid for him. Kids amazing in the midfield, I agree 100%. LFC have the capability to dominate in the next couple of years but I'd rather see Ramirez outwide on the left than dempsey if push comes to shove. I'd also wouldnt mind seeing borini play off carroll on the right wing but more inwards and let andy play lay off balls to him and gerrard.
For all I truly dislike AC for (pace, lack of techinicallity, "tact" if you will) he does an amazing job of trapping lobbed balls and redirecting it in the most perfect of ways. Example the header to Agger vs. Chelsovich. If he can stick to chesting the ball down and turning quickly, passing the ball to suarez cutting down the left behind the CB's who slides it across to borini he'd be worth all the money in the world to do that consistantly.
Let me explain something suso will never replace gerrard he is from spain and essentialy where he will end up stevies replacement will have to be from liverpool imo that is.stevies talent/love for the club will prove so hard to replace its a perfect blend like messi with barca only stevie loves liverpool more
25 Jul 2012 20:11:15
Sly Sports reporting that Swansea are kicking off about BR approaching Joe Allen after agreeing not to. Any truth in this Eds?
Kop71
{Ed001's Note - it was a Swansea statement.}
25 Jul 2012 20:09:06
Sky are reporting that Swansea are in conflict with Liverpool over the non poaching of players for a year.
This could get nasty. Lawyers will doubtlessly get involved.
Liverpool will get a bad name, players will not want to come and the FA will investigate.
I don't really see why there is a problem. Yes there might have been an agreement that we won't buy any swansea players for 12 months, however its not as if we are taking their players for free. We bid for a player, the clubs negotiate, its up to swansea whether they accept. If they accept the deal for a player, what's the problem?
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Why will lawyers get involved? I thought if other clubs showed an interest in Swansea players then we could bid? from what I've read, and this is in Swansea's statement other clubs have shown an interest in Joe Allen........maybe just me but the press appear to have an agenda against LFC at present. I read the comments made by the media about LS following his recent comments and how they interepted this as disdian for the british press, really? is this the same press that attack him at every opportunity.....eye for eye and all that, suck it up boys and grow a pair!....TMac
25 Jul 2012 20:08:34
I've heard the story that Liverpool are free to bid on Swansea players if a third club were to put in a bid but judging by Swansea's statement today it appears this was not the case.
I was pleased that Rodgers had got the job and I'm right behind him but if he's gone against an agreement that he made with Swansea in the name of Liverpool then he's gone down massively in my estimation and will have a lot of work to do to show he's Liverpool class
There has also been interest from other clubs regarding his possible availability and the club is due to speak to Joe, as originally planned, about the situation when he returns from GB (Olympic) team....
This is taken from the Swansea statement - get a grip people we are not doing anything wrong, how about you start to believe in your club and not the gutter press for once and see how it feels!.....TMac
Purely guesswork but I suggest,
1. Other clubs have approached Swansea for Allen
2. The deal with Liverpool is nearly completed
3. Swansea issue a statement moaning about Liverpools interest in the player
4. Swansea pocket $15 million and Liverpool have "stolen " their player
5. Swansea fans are angry at Liverpool . not the Swansea board for selling him.
On a slightly different topic, does anyone think that other teams target potential Liverpool signings not because they are really interested in the player but because they want to inflate the price that Liverpool have to pay?
25 Jul 2012 20:03:58
Any news on the stadium. Dragging on a bit now.
FSG sleeping on that issue.
Yeah Henry was very impressed with anfield and said in feb 2011 they don't need to move. But in the long long term he'll consider the long term implications of what might happen in the long term.
25 Jul 2012 20:01:09
Eds what do you expect will happen with Pacheco? iv heard he is impressing on the tour and i feel we may aswell keep him and use him in the lesser games of the season as he certainly has potential, has he burnt his bridges at the club though? {Ed001's Note - Rodgers has given him time to prove himself, but this will be his last chance, from what I am told.}
25 Jul 2012 19:52:04
If chelsea want to offload any midfielders Liverpool aren't interested.
Walcots still waiting if he comes to Liverpool it might be mutually beneficial for a top 4 attack.
25 Jul 2012 19:49:52
I have seen everyone saying that Allen is the 6th best passer in Europe, but number 1 is Leon Britton. Why is there no hype about him?
Because Brendan Rodgers is not interested in signing him and we already have Lucas Leiva .
I reckon people are just trying to focus on LFC right now .
EdWood
He is older which is the reason that Liverpool arent interested
It's a fair point, really. I'd guess it's mainly cause he's 29, going on 30 in a few months.
Double standard against the interest for Dempsey, admittedly, but there you go...
He's 29. I rate him very highly but Joe Allen has time on his hands to improve and rule Europe's midfield for the next 6-8 years.
BthekingB
I remember back in the 90's when one season Phil Babb had the best pass completion rate in the league. Stats don't tell you everything. Look at Busquets and the number of sideways/backwards passes he plays with little penetration. Useful passes but not much creativity. Depends on the player's role so not much of a useful stat when viewed in isolation.
25 Jul 2012 19:41:13
Just wondering if watching the Liverpool tonight on first row takes continuous data,or one chunk in getting the match on? Would love somebody to be able to answer this. Many thanks.
J.C
Live stream is always continuous one chunk is where stuff is already uploaded ie files on putlocker
Continues data mate
If I understand your question, it's a continuous stream, not a single download.
It would be continuous data as you would be buffering continuously until the end of the match
As it's a live stream, its continuous, whereas set video's like Youtube or Vimeo has a set number of bytes. hope that helps!
25 Jul 2012 19:36:43
I'm I the only one who is excited about allen? Not Rating him on par with xavi etc but he's the closest we are going to get to that type of player, I'm happy with Hendo, Allen, Lucas an Gerrard being our centre midfielders. Most other teams would love that, even the bigger ones too
I'm excited too, to have Henderson and Allen both 22 years old and keep the ball as well as they do at that age is brilliant and can only get better with experience!
G BOX
I agree mate.
I really don't know what others are moaning about. I think the lads got class, he's mobile, quick, works hard, good passer of the ball, great vision, runs well with the ball at his feet, gets stuck in aswell and still only 22, he's only going to get even better.
I think Gerrard Lucas Allen in the middle has got a bit of everything and is genuinly strong. Then with the back-up of Shelvey Henderson Suso and there's still Coady and Cole, I think Adam and Aquilani could both leave.
I fully agree with you . Lucas , Gerrard , Allen & Henderson should suit us just fine with Shelvey & Suso making up the supporting cast .
Whop knows what is going to happen to Joe Cole , Alberto Aquilani , Charlie Adam and Stuart Downing ?
EdWood
Oh my god i can not believe that i have just read a post about Henderson and Allen and with three replies and all of them are positive what is the world coming to
Keep the faith
Kanos
25 Jul 2012 19:23:59
Just want to get some opinion on Allen who looks likely to come in post Olympics. There's no doubt the boy can play but is £15mill justified? Also BR plays 4-3-3 so who will fill the middle 3 positions? If fit you will have to say SG, Lucas & Allen (after shelling out £15mill) so what happens with Adam, Hendo, Shelvey, Spearo & Downing? I know we will rotate but there seems there will be alot of wastage. Could we have invested the £15mill (if we get him) in another area where we have less cover? Any thoughts fellow redmen?
Sanchez75
Downing doesn't play CM and Adam maybe sold
Hans
I think he's class. Middle 3:
Gerrard --- Lucas --- Allen
Back-up
Shelvey --- Hendo --- Suso
Theres still Spearing, Coady and Cole.
Adam and Aquilani will be sold Imo.
JohnL
25 Jul 2012 19:23:31
Why are people so sure pepe is leaving? Who would he go to? Its well know he wants to finish his career at athletico because of his dad.
He's 28/29 so really anyone buying him is gonna be buying a player who is gonna want to move on after 2-4 years and for the sort of fee we would want its not gonna be good business for he stop gap team before pepe makes his way to athletico.
Unless athletico would be interested in a player cash deal now say 10m +turan
I don't think anyone is 'sure' Pepe is leaving. The speculation is that perhaps he's worth more to the club financially by not being here than his presence provides.
In other words, if we were hypothetically to sell him, can we get an equitable replacement for less wages (almost certainly yes, I think, since I believe his wages are near the top of our list) and make a profit on the sale (this one is less certain) which could be used to help fund other players in.
Goalkeepers usually go on until they are 38-40. He has plenty of time left.
BthekingB
25 Jul 2012 19:20:39
I'm very happy with the way brendans rodgers is handling everything,For one, when are previous was giving interviews,i'd dive behind the couch,Now,totally different story,Lets see what happens,its his team now,let him mold it the way he sees best,I'm 100% happy with his arrival,I can see us playing good attacking football,and lets be honest,thats more we could wish for at this point,Once were great,Now,On the way to greatness..
25 Jul 2012 19:18:19
Eds Swansea have confirmed that We have a written agreement not to approach any of their players, does this mean we need Alan to be transfer listed or hand in a transfer request before we can bid. I'd hate to think that our club of tradition would go back on its word
Barry 1243 {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, I haven't seen the agreement, the common belief is that we can only make an offer for Allen if someone else moves for him. But no one actually knows for sure if that is true.}
25 Jul 2012 18:59:40
I've just read the strootman profile and I think that we need to make sure we sign him because he seems to be the closest young prospect to gerrard in football today.
We don't have to sign him now but if someone is going to sign him we shld step in and sign him because on the profile he didn't seem to have a single weakness do you agree wiv this eds
Also great site {Ed001's Note - not watched him play, so I have no idea, but I am sure he will have weaknesses.}
25 Jul 2012 18:55:08
Why are we so concentrating on bringing midfielders although we have many like gerrard , lucas , aqui , suso henderson , adam , jonjo , spearing ? I believe instead of bringing Joe Allen we should focus on strengthing our attacking options ( wingers , playmaker , strikers ) or if we have to bring in a midfielder then we should consider a top class player like banega , witsel , sahin or even bring back alonso . Are we looking to take the club forward this year or retain our 8th position? We lost kuyt , maxi , bellamy is on his way out , maybe carroll and suarez too and instead of bringing top class players we're looking after dempsey and allen ? let's have a look on our rivals?
Man utd : ins kagawa , targeting modric , strootman , sahin, van persie
Man city : they're complete they just need a CB
Arsenal : podolski , giroud , targeting cazorla and m'vila
Chelsea : hazards , marin , oscar , targeting azpilicueta , cavani
Tottenham : Vertonghan , sigurdsson
please editor relate , are we losing our touch or what? I wanna watch us in champions league again {Ed001's Note - I think you have lost touch with reality, what the other teams do has no relation to what we should do. It is not even August, why not wait until the window shuts before moaning about it.}
25 Jul 2012 18:54:02
I honestly think signing only one player, like Munian, would shoot us into the top 4 this season, thoughts?
I don't think we'll get Munian as he wants CL.
YNWA
JitB. JFT96
Yeh that would be right, put all our eggs in one basket, then he gets injured or suspended for say 8 games! Sound familiar reds?
How about this -
Sign a Well thought of manager
Let him implement a system of play that gives the best chance of winning games
Employ players who fit the system
OMG isn't that what our much maligned owners are doing?
GED
25 Jul 2012 18:48:18
Based on the new Swansea statement and the rumors surrounding Joe Allen's release clauses in his contract, as much as I might like to see Joe Allen wearing red I really have to wonder a bit if it's wise for us to continue this line of enquiry? Surely it seems destined to be a bit of another black eye for LFC in terms of PR as well as probably being taken to the cleaners a bit by Swansea?
Does it matter as long as we sign him. Swansea have said the statement to make out to there fans that they are not looking to sell when money talks.
Mighty reds
25 Jul 2012 18:48:11
Just watched the videos of this brazilian wonderkid William McLaren (not his real name - a nickname), rumours suggest we have offered him a three year contract. Not sure if this is possible because of visa issues but have to say the kid has an incredible array of tricks and passes, getting talent like this really young is the way forward.
McB
25 Jul 2012 18:48:04
Eds, do we have any interest in replacing the departed Kuyt and Maxi for the wings? {Ed001's Note - yes.}
I.e. dempsey interest and borini purchase and if carroll is sold a replacement for him will be on the agenda as well because we can't play 433 and only have three forward/strikers and no competition or back up.
25 Jul 2012 18:47:43
in response to Macca last post if we had money surley we would have signed players by now to get them training with the team early as posibble i understand u cant let on that u have money but i for one dont think we do and i really do think this is just another set of hicks and gillet empty promises hope im wrong but nothing telling me other wise
mike
25 Jul 2012 18:45:42
I've just read some of you persons saying no investment? Suarez carroll and downing!!
Cough 50mil Torres money.
It's o.k spending one season,but you've
got to go again and again and again or
you get left behind which is what's
happening with us......for us to compete
on an even keel we need massive,yes
massive investment.....over to you FSG..
auntie annie......
Minus torres babel and meireles
25 Jul 2012 18:42:53
The prospect of Shelvey going out on loan concerns me a little. We signed him two years ago now, how much longer does he have left on his contract? If he doesn't start to receive playing time soon he might start thinking he needs to leave to get a chance then well struggle to even get a good fee.
I would like us to take a lead out of the continental clubs books and start putting prospects like Shelvey and Stirling on long contracts with large transfer clauses to protect our investments better.
Ged
Shelvey is still young and did you miss the news that Rodgers got him to sign a new long term contract with us?
I think Shelvey is going to be a key player for us in the future. I'm not against him going on loan to get more 1st team experience.
YNWA
JitB. JFT96
He just signed a new contract. i think he is going to be here a long time and a long spell at a premier league club will do him good than sitting on our bench
oldmonk
If you had looked on the liverpool site, you would of seen Shelvey has signed a new longterm contract.
He is not enough at the moment and he may benefit like beckham did at preston,
if not then sell him
Shelvey has singed a new contract like 2 weeks ago.
Shelvey just signed an extension
Shelvey has just signed a new contract.....
Get with it, he's just signed a contract extension since rodgers has arrived!
He signed a new contract, about a week ago...
Joe
25 Jul 2012 18:42:27
Can anyone link me a site where I can watch the Roma vs Liverpool friendly on a stream? Thanks in advance, manno
The best is to just download Google chrome, then click on the football in the top right hand corner, that gives you a big selection of links, it's also good for other sports, i watch all the boxnation fights from there.
MR EM
25 Jul 2012 18:35:41
Mark my words, if Allen is signed for 15m, come the middle of the season half the people on here will complaining saying we wasted money yet again. He didnt really stand out at Swansea as their star player so why the hell would he come to Liverpool and stand out? Do we even think when negotiating deals? It seems it's gonna take yet another year of average, expensive buys for us to finally realize that these over priced young british players are going to get us absolutely no where. Sorry to be negative but I just really dont want us to throw more money away and make Allen the answer to our creative problems in midfield, because he'll just be another Henderson with 'potential'.
E.H LFC
Henderson is 21 and is in the England squad
It is difficult if you are not able to see that
LiverBird
Didn't stand out? LOL, you sure you were watching the right player? The guy was utter class, his tackling was fantastic, his blistering runs towards and through defended were brilliant and his passing was statistically some of the best in Europe. You keep carrying on seeing the glass as half empty, I'll look at the glass as half full. I'm over the moon at the prospect of Allen, he personifies everything Rodgers is trying to bring to Liverpool. He is a work horse and will give his all.
Did you watch any Swansea games last season?
YNWA
JitB. JFT96
25 Jul 2012 18:04:28
with todays Pardews comments i guess Carol will not be going to n castle
I have a friend called Carol she's a big LFC fan!
I think the Lad CARROLL won't be joining Newcastle, I think he will get at least until January to prove he can fit into the team and style of play!
25 Jul 2012 17:57:29
If Carroll goes back to Newcastle, can they please pull our pants back up now that there done with us?
25 Jul 2012 17:53:36
Is it just me or does everybody think that Pardew is a pr##k?
Defo - his comments sound like sour grapes to me!
I think pardew has done a great job.
I love LFC but we should stop acting like managers from other teams owe us something.
Pardew is looking out for his team not ours. He doesn't owe us a thing and in all honesty he didnt say anything wildly out of order. He just confirmed they like andy and would welcome him back at a cut price??? We all knew that so really not a bog deal.
We should concentrate on us and what we want not slagging other managers who have not stepped on our toes
gareth
25 Jul 2012 17:52:38
Alan Pardew is the new Dave Whelan telling all the world about what Liverpool should and shouldn't do.
Pardew today"Liverpool Gould wipe there Noses and move on with regards Carroll"
How's about Pardew wiping his face on my brown star, the t***....
Wizards sleeve...
I think pardew is still pi***d off about the 2006 cup final, bitter and twisted prat
This is the funniest psot I have seen for a while.
jonnybarnes89-90
The truth is that they want him and thts why this noise...
They are clearly trying to get into Carroll's head...
Newcastle, for all the African players they have in the squad, will be missing some players in Jan..Hence this desperation to land Carroll.....
The owners and BR should not cave in and keep Carroll......
It will be a long season with 4 competitions...We will need more bodies..
LiverBird
I totally agree with pardew.The money can be used else where to improve the squad.
25 Jul 2012 17:51:30
Don't see Conner Coady on tour. Anyone know why?
He's injured isn't he?
That guy deserve a chance to show he is one of the future .
r-r
Because he is in liverpool with the rest of the players
majestic69
He's making a wink wink movie
25 Jul 2012 17:50:10
Reina is staying. Carroll is staying. Suarez is staying. Skirtle is staying endov.
If you could spell Skrtel and end of then a few more people may agree with this.
Papa G
Cheers Buck
I hope so, but I am less convinced.
But I trust BR is going to do what he thinks is best for this club.
YNWA
JitB. JFT96
Not sure they will all stay. Reina and Skrtel yes, suarez and Carroll, not sure
gareth
25 Jul 2012 17:32:34
Stop all this negativity about joe allen. Surely Brendan is in the best place to judge him, having seen him play day in day out for a few years. He wouldnt buy him if BR didnt think he was good enough. I think he is technically sound and will only strengthen our midfield. Lets trust him and look forward to the season.
Redman
How many more to strengthen our midfield???
It's not negetivity people just think the price is expensive.
25 Jul 2012 17:16:41
Have to agree with Macca. Ben Smith and the rest of the press are just guessing.They know nothing so have to make things up to keep their jobs. They write so much stuff that every now and again they are bound to get something right and then people seem to think the are suddenly in the know. Ridiculous.
CR
25 Jul 2012 17:11:14
Creative midfielder Oscar to chelsea
They need a right back we could do a swap
Lol u joking right?
Hope you were being sarcastic because then I found your post funny. If not then...there there pet
Did Dogbar win him for chelsea?
EJ
25 Jul 2012 17:07:38
Micheal vorm, joe allan, maybe the whole swansea team! doe,s anyone remember when we used to only sign quality players,. the players we have been linked with are mediocre!...I have a bad feeling about this season,.. aussie tim!... {Ed001's Note - you mean at the times when all our players came from teams like Swansea? Do you remember where Emlyn Hughes came from? What about Ian Rush? I could go on, but I am just thankful there was no internet back then.}
I was only having this argument with a guy from work today. If they're good enough who cares where they're from.
Good reply ED1 so refreshing when i read these numpties put in their place
LeeWils
Rush came from Chester City by the way, Emlyn from Blackpool, others include Whelan from Home Farm, Aldridge and Houghton from
Oxford, Keegan from Scunthorpe and Heighway from the mighty Skelmersdale.
Well said Ed001.
Can you name 5 players in the last 10 years that where big name players before be bought them every big name player I remember made there name at Liverpool.
Deanalfie.
Why do certain Liverpool fans think that players from smaller teams are not good enough? These so called smaller clubs produce most of the big players... look at Southampton and what they have produced through their youth ranks... I suppose walcot, bale and ox chamb are not good enough for Liverpool? at the end of the day the 2 swansea players linked with Liverpool are both high quality, unlike Downing, Adam and Henderson who were questionable at best.
Ha ha thanks for that!...aussie tim-cahill
Morientes is one and look who he worked out.
25 Jul 2012 17:05:35
Think Fenway are doing a really good job with the running of our club but Werner needs to loose that stand which keeps popping up at press confrences, makes me feel uncomfortable.
Bilverstone
TNWA
JFT96
Think we need to rename him Preacher Werner
25 Jul 2012 17:04:17
To everyone moaning about the Allen fee, Saying we could get Gaston Ramirez for that... WTF are you thinking. You don't think Joe Allen is worth the money but Ramirez is? How many good seasons has Ramiriez had in the premierleague? How many good matches has he had in the premier league?
Ramirez is a much bigger risk than Allen. Stop moaning and actually take a bit of time to think through some of the shiz you are posting
Get Allen and Ramrez . I really think Ramirez would ge a great addition but a risk. Great work Eds.
Jrsoakley23
Which over top team has reportedly been linked with joe Allen (I mean a genuine interest, so don't say Manchester united or spurs because that's not true) whereas with gaston Ramirez...well that talks for itself doesn't it.
Really? did torres? or reina played in pl before moving to liverpool?...
25 Jul 2012 17:04:01
Why are loads of keepers being mentioned? Does Pepe want to leave or are people just jumping to conclusions because he starts training a week later?
Jumping to conclusions. Pepe is away until August 1st. There have been rumours of his moving on but until I see it happen that's all they are, rumours.
YNWA
JitB. JFT96
25 Jul 2012 16:45:36
I cannot understand all the negativity..
Do you think we are going to start telling everyone how much money we have to spend..
I think we should wait till the transfer window has closed before we start to condemn the owners..
Of course we cant compete with Man City etc over transfers, we need to start running our football club as a business not Fantasy football..
It will not happen over night but i firmly believe FSG will make us great again.
Of course it is in their best interests to make us a success..
When we become successful on and off the pitch they will sell..
Cheers
Macca
I completely understand what you mean and there are still some of us that have intelligent football related banter, not just whine and moan. But you have to understand that 75% of the users on this site were probably born after we last won the EPL.
They want this player and that player, as they're fed info from the media, Fifa or Football Manager that says he's talented, he'll help LFC suceed and win trophies as that's what I want. They have so much information at their finger tips that it's likely they base their opinion on stats or a 3 minute YouTube compilation, that could make Andrey Voronin look like a world beater.
It's the modern way and like it or lump it that's not going to change.
Papa G
I agree, but just remember what their favourite colour is, green...not red
Agree with Macca that its smart not giving the impression of having money to spend, we have a better chance of getting value for money in the market!
So based on your past comments are you suggesting that we may have a bit more to spend than we are lead to believe?
K-Man
Macca I totally agree with you on bin accounts we cant judge the owners now! A lot of you so called Liverpool fans have forgotten fsg came and saved our club we could of been how rangers are now! I feel we are taking the right steps forward.
Totally agree with you Macca. I have fallen out with my buddy over this very same topic. He states "Borini and Allen dont fill me with any confidence, that Rogers will be any good". In my eyes, they are superb young players who could benefit the club for years to come. They will grow as we grow. We cant throw £25-£30m away on players anymore, and when we did it often ended badly! We need a gradual improvement in squad quality and a decrease in sqaud age. Borini and Allen do both of these and its two positions filled for the next 10 years if need be! The squad does need trimming now and I fully expect players to move on, but to say the owners arent backing us when they are laying out £25m on two exciting youngsters is crazy. FSG and Rodgers (along with his style of football) will ensure a great future for LFC and I for one will give my full support over the next few seasons as we GRADUALLY (and without bankrupting us) improve as a club again.
For the record.....any player who's heart is not in the project MUST GO; and I dont care who that player is !
YNWA
Totally agree with you Macca
Although we're not in the same league financially as citeh, or chelski I've no doubt we've got considerable resources, only we have to be smart to get more bang for our buck!, crying poverty is the oldest business ploy in the book, and I think it's clever to operate this way YNWA
25 Jul 2012 23:48:04
Macca wat u have to understand is that we have been hurt before hicks and gilet and they promised the same things new stadium big money to spend on geting us back to the top im not saying the same as man city but ramerez 16 mil allen 15 kagawa only 18 i think oscar 20 these are not massive fees all im saying is wats happening with satadium or renovation and we want betterplayers then allen who is no improment to wat we already have same as demsey we need to improve are first team not the bench all i see at the mo is broken promises i hope to god your right and they will spend and be dedicated
25 Jul 2012 23:48:25
Couldnt have said it better myself Macca. They are smart businessmen and they'll do whatever they can in their power to bring us back to the top.
25 Jul 2012 23:48:58
And re-development of Anfield would make us more attractive to potential buyers, Macca.
The problem many fans have with FSG is their apparent lack of progress regarding increased capacity. Most sensible supporters realise that we aren't going to spend massively like Citeh and, I for one, am happy with that.
They've done very well, in my opinion, and probably rescued the Club from ruin.
They've not been afraid to sack their own appointments, paying big bucks in compo along the way.
They've appointed one of Britain's brightest young managers and are willing, it seems, to back his philosophy.
Brendan's joined us at the worst possible time...Euros,Olympics,recession etc. make buying and selling a nightmare.
People on here are criticizing un-necessarily through frustration/impatience etc.
It's natural that we, as the most emotive fans in the country, would want to return to the "glory days" on the pitch but we also realise that, to compete, we need to increase our gates by 15-20,000.
Personally, I can't wait for the season to start. I'm excited by the prospect of Dempsey,Borini,Allen etc joining our ranks and I love Brendan's interviews.
I honestly see us challenging straight away but, if it doesn't, I think Brendan Rodgers should be given time. A timely announcement about the stadium from FSG wouldn't go amiss ....that's all I'm saying.
ANFIELDPETE
25 Jul 2012 23:51:10
Firstly id like to say thank you for all your information I have a few contacts with ex-players and they know very little about what goes on in the club so the information you get is amazing and I tink everyone will agree with me when I say a big THANKS..
Im from Ireland myself and was really excited by Rodgers appointment and think he will be a top manager but I am getting a little bit worried by the clubs conduct in the transfer market and the Andy Carroll saga.IMO its going to be us, arsenal and spurs competing for fourth place and really do think we have a very good chance of finishing 4th backed it today at 9/4 :) I know you cant ans everybodys questions but if you get a chance would just like to ask is BR being told that 4th place is a minimum requirement like Kenny or have they realised that maybe a competitve top 6 finish would suffice?
Again thanks for all the info if everyone on this site listened to you and trusted you they would be rich BR was the best tip iv ever recieved in my life..
Dub_Red YNWA
25 Jul 2012 23:52:29
I'm a massive fan of this site an I along with so many other fans am checking all sites possible to find out any scrap of news on who we may be signing. I can't explain how mint it is when I see that you have posted Macca as I along with our fellow reds appreciate any news about who we may be signing. Don't take this the wrong way as I'm just playing devil's advocate and I too think that FSG will do amazing things long term but as we're not privy to the same info you are it's easy for some fans to become impatient and frustrated when other clubs are signing big names. I think Joe Allen is amazing and would be very happy to see him sign but fans want to see big name signings as we love the club and are competing not just against City but Unt, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs who seem to have more of a budget than us, responsibly spending or not. Kenny did spend 100m but net spend was more 35m last season.
I've been a fan for 35 years and am not being negative but merely trying to explain why some fans are frustrated as we dont know what you do. I dont include some of the muppets posting but there are some true fans frustrated too.
25 Jul 2012 23:52:48
Agreed Macca. I am always amused by the "fans" who think fsg are doing a bad job. They stabilised the club both financially and in terms of results, appointed the fans choice as manager, spent over £100 million on players ( who btw every fan was excited about when they signed)
Then when it didn't work took a very brave decision to let go of Kenny and did it in an honourable way which respected the great man, and followed it up by bringing in a genuinely exciting young coach who is admired throughout Europe and are in the process of giving him funds to invest, where is the room for negativity? They have done and continue to do a remarkable job, certainly the best owners I can remember.
On a personal note thanks for all the updates Macca, your the man!
Andy H
25 Jul 2012 23:53:51
My big problem with the negativity Macca, is that we appoint a bright new manager and then question his every move... signings in and signings out... all wrong... "he's not worth this" "we should be after Ramirez" etc.
Fsg saw the oppurtunity to completely sack everyone off and start again.
Brendan Rodgers is the man they have chosen... Lets get behind the fella and support him 100%.
jonnybarnes89-90
25 Jul 2012 16:49:34
I used to love coming onto this site and reading all the new and exciting news.
However now all i see is negativity and pettiness, whenever we are linked with a player other than Ramirez all the fans seem to be really unfair on players and suggest how they will be the new Adam or Downing.
What a joke !
Do you support out club or not, its becoming embarasing to see, constantly moaning like old women.
I will support any player that comes through the melwood gate this summer, and i will support any player in a red shirt ( As long as they give there all )
Lets pull together and stop winging.
LTP The Red
There speaks the truth.
Understand this fans are aloud to moan when we dont learn from are mistakes and demsey and allen would be repeat mistakes of downing and adam
And what about when they start to perform badly, what then. When you saw your club splash 15+ on a player that suddenly starts performing badly for your club when there were other cheaper options that showed more talent, what then. Do you still support the club that sits 8th with a load of players that never should have been bought for that price in the first place whilst other clubs point and laugh and make comments about how you guys were once the icon of British football but then sold your soul to the devil. Just like all of our clubs. Week in week out bad results, the club legend has no clue what he's doing and makes arrogant comments in front of the camera which represents none of the fans of the club. Makes excuses about how we're unlucky to hit the post so many times, was it unlucky that you bought those players for those prices and then they don't perform. Then fans turn to a successor that did well under the devil owners themselves (rafa under hicks and Gillette) and they divide because he somehow did something wrong in his time of management. Most Liverpool fans wanted rafa back because as much as he hid his love for the club and the players we all knew the love was there. You see it everytime he's at the hillborough anniversary, you see it when you realise he still lives in Liverpool, you realise it that those players that played under him loved the club. I don't see that anymore and the Wigan owner even pointed it out for us all to see. The soul was there but it's gone. Everytime a manager comes in they will have a shadow over them, not only of the previous managers that did well, but the anger of the fans. It doesn't matter if it's Jesus himself, that shadow will never go till he earns that respect. Rafa earned it. Kenny dented his but still has it. Rogers better wake up and smell the coffee cause he's at Liverpool now son. This is going to be one hell of a journey.
One of the best posts here in a long time,few of the reds players carry the liver bird in their heart the way the redmen of old did,remember souness reply to the press after we went through a bad run and they slated us saying we where finished ,we won the next game and he sent them a post saying "the empire strikes back" ? its players with courage and heart for the badge we need now ,not overpaid mercenary showponies who piss off when a better offer comes along,at least big andy wants to stay and fight for his place,rant over {Ed001's Note - not being funny, but Souness was a mercenary. Best midfielder we have ever had, but he was without doubt a mercenary.}
25 Jul 2012 16:30:12
we have enough young British talent. if buy player buy an world class or don't buy. £15m for Allen is Expensive. he deserve £10m. gylfi was £8m we don't buy him why ?
hhh
Because Gylfi is a greedy money grabber. Thats why.
It was the principle that Rodgers had agreed a fee and wages for the player then just because he went to Liverpool both fee and wage demands went up.
He's no mug.
What? What are you saying mate. The sentence doesnt make any sense.
If it truly is talent then you can never have enough!
Buy world class or buy nothing? What planet do you live on?
What if we can't get a world class player in a position we need? Do we just choose not to improve the squad at all and then sit here scratching our heads when we finish in the same position in the league?
- Something Red -
Because he wanted a larger wage than thought acceptable
gareth
Because Spurs did
Red Raw
We didn't buy him cos he is a greedy sod
Sigurdsoon got rejected and tried to make excuses about how spurs are suddenly going
Places and Liverpool aren't when he praised Liverpool and it's history. Son you got rejected, with a big middle finger from me. How's that for your bank account.
We have so many yooung talent like allen in Liverpool . Hendo, Cody , Jonjo , Spearing all is same like Allen.
hhh
The same reason why a certain blackburn forward has not signed for any of the bigger teams - greed
25 Jul 2012 16:28:54
Hi There I am a huge Liverpool fc fan and I heard today that Livepool had agreed a fee with swansea for midfielder Joe allen is this true if you could email me asap many thanks from Alison
No it's not true, we had a bid of £10 mill + shelvey rejected.
Trying to get the eds email address lol. Bet your a bloke called fred and tried to pretend your a girl to sweeten up the eds into giving u there email. I thinks nice try lmao
Gezza1982
25 Jul 2012 16:27:07
How many Back-Up to Reina Keepers we have bought and sold for losses and not playing many games..
if i recount correctly None of below have played lot of games..
Mikalov..Pofit
Carson ..2M Profit (1.5 - 3.5M)
Idtanje Massive Loss (2M - nothing)
Calligiari (3M - nothing)
Jones (3M -Doing nothing)
Doni (Free- massive wages)
De Vries (Wolves Keeper) linked with
We have Gulasi as a good backup and still keep replcing backup keeper everyyear as they cant be given enough games..
We have done lot of delaing fingding a backup for
Reina. But dont give them lot of games :D
BhavRedz
Each situation was different, mate - Mihailov couldnt get a permanent work permit, Charles Itandje disgraced himself at a Hillsborough memorial so was get rid of, Cavallieri was sold (Calligiari is a lower-table Italian team). I'd say more money was lost on, say, Robbie Keane than the all those keepers put together (and more). it's all just part of the game!
Does`nt that show you he his good at holding his place down?
Piddy.
We can't moan that our keeper is too good to drop now can we?
We want reina to play every game, a back up is usually just that. A back up.
It's a good thing we don't play our second keeper it means we have a really good first keeper and we can only ever play one at a time...
MIKEY
Gulacsi's been around the reserves for 4 years at this stage and we keep buying more keepers. Rafa bought keepers. Hodgson bought one. Kenny bought one, and Rodgers is being linked with one. I'd say it's a case that the club staff think that Gulacsi, at this moment in time, is not good enough to be a Premier League keeper if something happens to Reina.
Remember that the reserve keeper has to be dependable, potentially for a whole season if Reina gets a serious injury. Gulacsi may not be up to that yet.
- Something Red -
25 Jul 2012 16:21:46
Abit of a debate here on Dempsey as i know the opinions are mixed.
Is £8m-£10m honestly breaking the bank for a experienced premier league player who is for 1 hitting the back of the net and secondly is hitting the peak of his career? I think i could live with a 10 million quid gamble on that, its less than a third than what we paid for Carroll. Also, put yourselves in Fulhams shoes. If Dempsey was our player in the form hes in, how much would you want for him? I doubt anything less.
Look forward to your comments
Sam Adzii jft96
Although if you look at it as another 6 million should secure the services of 21 yr old Gaston Ramirez. Then I'd prefer Ramirez.
Jonesred
I think the price for Dempsey is better value than the quoted price for Allen (although I like Allen). More realistic price for Allen would be 8-10
Chris in Tamworth
I think he's a great player and will be a great solid signing for Liverpool.
Even for 10m.
MIKEY
I have no problem with Dempsey but it is an extortionate fee for a player within 38 games of the end of his contract , and who will have no sell-on value .
The maths are quite easy .
To Chris in Tamworth......I partly agree in so much as you seem to rate both players. But it's not an either/or situation. The new style could support both players. The sale of Carroll (£20m?) could fund most, if not all, of getting both signatures.That would be good business in my opinion.
ANFIELDPETE
Dempsey is class, he scores goals and creates goals and is always a threat. 10 mil is a fair price for him. Allen is class to his passing is up there with the best of them again 15 mil is a fair price.
Dowings price was a joke as was henderson and adams price was probably 3 mil over.
Carroll, he ws diffrent, Spurs has bid 30 mil and he was the hottest young player in the prem.... not now though.
toonal
25 Jul 2012 16:20:04
Swansea have rejected 9 million for Joe Allen from LFC.
Liverpool will up their bid to 12 million very soon.
LFCLW
I've heard a fee of £13.5 million has been agreed.
Sky Sports understands lfc are edging closer to allen deal, why the hell do they always say the same crap
sky sports understands sod all same old news non stop.
anyway still think he will be a decent enough player given chance
25 Jul 2012 16:19:01
Hi Eds....Alan pardew expects liverpool to take a loss on carroll dugh were has he been the last few weeks we all know that, this is from a man who was told carroll would not be sold by the cockney mafia i hpoe if carroll is sold he dosent go to them for any less than 20m.Tommy Irish Red.
25 Jul 2012 16:17:53
What is it with all the negativity on here, do fans let go of their guilty pleasures online, all the fans I speak to in person seem excited about the coming season and are happy with Rodgers and the signings/targets he's made, it's easy to criticise when no one can argue back.
Show you're support
Stewyb
And the sun is shining, cheer up people
25 Jul 2012 16:17:38
Hmmm. Instead of Dempsey deal being done quickly, we have somehow offended Fulham and made it more complicated. Instead of Allen deal going easy, it has gotten more complicated (and expensive). Perhaps we just aren't good at negotiating transfers.
We have a history of giving people what ever they want and we always appear desperate to get ordinary players
This is why the moneyball strategy wont work with lfc and the owners will learn this hopefully sooner rather than later that you wont get a player for 10 bob and sell him for a score 2 seasons later with our history !
25 Jul 2012 16:17:28
hi all true fans.
Andy Carroll we paid a lot for the guy he was maybe plucked away as a panic buy when torres left.
injuries limelight ect ect made him play p*ss poor then he found his feet somewhat went to the euro's did ok now he has the world cup qualifiers and the world cup itself to play for i think if we sell him now we will miss what we all thought we were getting in the first place..
thank you all mal a true liverpool fan my opinions are my gut feelings always lfc marching onwards is my only wish
25 Jul 2012 16:16:43
hey lfc fans...
ALAN pardew is the biggest imbecile of all time!
has anyone else read his statement on skysports?
what a PR--K!
who is he...to tell liverpool..........oh just cut your losses and sell him, cos we all knew once rodgers got appointed, andy wasnt gona play"
who is he to say all that, he thinks hes a top manager cos he had 1 good season..... but what the hell has he done in his career.......
biggest wolly to date.
red lobster
You are spot on with your oppinion of him "Thinking he is a top manager". He is a jerk mate. However they did finish higher than us meaning he must be relatively good.
HK7
It didnt just take me untill know to know Alan Pardew is a utter d*ck head.
Sam Adziijft96
Ive always thought Pardew was a smug cu"t but he just keeps on reminding me.
Apost above has confirmed what I hope evryone at LFC thinks and that is Andy is going to be massive this season and I agree.They put it in better words but you can all read.
Kopping a feel {Ed001's Note - Pardew only got the job because he owes Llambias a lot of money.}
Yep. Totally agree. He a wide boy who thinks he the dogs now because of one decent season. Your a no mark lad who as red lobster said has done nothing.
FowlerisGod
He's a person as are Lambias and Ashley.
Scouse_Pride
Ed001, I didn't know he owes Llambias money. So is he on a reduced wage, with Lambias taking his cut? How is it working?
Rafa's Purple Goatie {Ed001's Note - I believe it is a reduced wage, with an amount paid off his debt.}
25 Jul 2012 16:16:30
the one thing i stiil dont get at lfc is why have we still not got in a winger. one of the main things we need
Latest from our sports desk is that Downing is a winger as is Sterling, Cole, Pacheco, Ibe and several more. Apart from which, Rodgers preferred style of 4-3-3 does not suit an orthodox winger. Kent Brockman, live, Channel 6 News
There's still 5 weeks of this transfer window!
This is for Kent Brockman. Last season we had wingers and they didn't perform, we all knew this was an area that needed fixing as downing didn't look up to the task and maxi and kuyt have now gone. Bellamy looks like leaving, cole can never in a million years play as a winger and last longer than 20 mins and sterling is still very young. So we need a winger end off.
Cole and pacheco are not wingers, sterling and ibe are kids. Don't b a smart alec- we need at least 1 wide right player.
Jason
25 Jul 2012 16:11:49
hello everyone, the BBC are now reporting that we are in negotiations with swansea over the signature of joe allen, whilst a £10 million + Jonjo shelvey on a season long loan bid has been rejected. Sky sports also reporting that we are edging closer to the signing with a £15 million bid imminent and therefore triggering the release clause.
many thanks
I never believe the BBC, they get their info off things such as caughtoffside.
25 Jul 2012 16:03:35
does anyone think Downing and Adam will leave this summer?
ballyman
One can only hope.
Papa G
Adam probably.
With Adam he seems like he's reluctant to leave because he thinks (in his little bubble) that he's certain starter for lfc and that he deserves to be there and he needs a reality check, joe Allen or aqualani the ones to give him that.
Downing, we would get at least 8-10 mil for if we were to sell him and to be hounest we would get a better replacement with that sort of money, but for some reason I don't see him leaving.
25 Jul 2012 16:02:28
Apparently ( Twitter )
West Ham Have bid or going to bid for AC?
This has come from David Golds Son?
JamieMK9
Unlikely...he hasn't got a son!
2 daughters
sinner21
They will bid £15m
Just checked...it's actually david sullivans son, jack, who's banging on about it.
these are his exact words from twitter
"Dad is working on the biggest signing in the history of the club. TWICE as big as anything as the club have done before"
"By big I mean expensive - We WILL know in the next 7 days!"
WHU previous record signing was Savio Nserenko, signed by zola for £9m.
i know, i know...it's on twitter, but it could have some legs on it....
sinner21
That reliable source Twitter again lol.
Sinner21 - where in that 'statement' does it mention the name Andy Carroll?
To be hounest with 15 mill we could buy a much better striker suited to rogers style and would be as big a risk as andy would. I would prefer him at west ham than at Newcastle especially after what padrew came out and said. Newcastle fans have to get over the fact that they have no past, no present and no future.
25 Jul 2012 16:02:13
Swansea have turned down £10m and Shelvey loan for Allen on BBC.
Redevon
25 Jul 2012 15:59:51
Hi all,
West Ham rumoured to have offered £18m for Carroll!
Eddie
Take it Liverpool.
If they are willing to pay £18 million, then they should have no problem bidding £20 million.
Its a twitter story.
That would be nice
25 Jul 2012 15:57:05
Ive gone away to France,and we still aint f in signed anyone!
Try going to Germany. That might work better.
Did u miss the signing of Borini?
I would suggest Portugal as the wind is at a higher tangent meaning the tide is coming in much quicker than usual.
This should help with signings
LTP
Why would we buy someone just because you're in France ?
You've gone away or been away?
Doesn't take that long to get to France mate. Not much gonna happen in a few hours.
FowlerisGod
That is weird mate, i went to florida in january and we didnt buy anyone then ,emmmm maybe something in that.
lol : )
martin p
25 Jul 2012 15:56:40
Say we bought Allen and dempsey I think we would still need another winger and if Carroll goes another striker who wld u say wld be gd realistic signings for us in these positions
25 Jul 2012 15:55:45
Alan pardew having plenty to say on the carroll situation in todays media. cheeky upstart telling us what to do.
eds, what are the chances of one of you heading up to newcastle and giving him a slap ?
25 Jul 2012 15:44:18
Joe Allen fee and terms agreed. Deal will be completed once Team GB are knocked out of the Olympics. Liverpool triggered his release clause with a 15 million pound bid.
The Gooch
Hope he proves to be worth it-cos at the moment it seems to be a hell of a lot of money when we can get someone like Ramirez for the same money- let's face it Allen hasn't set the premiership alight yet has he? DEJA VU anybody?
I don't see anything goods in it . £15m too big amount for this year.
People said the same last year about Oxlade-Chamberlain, too much money, too young and not proven.........wish we'd spent 11 mill on him now.
Mark the Selby Red
I don't get the Joe Allen bashing on here. In the first place, he isn't actually our player yet nor do we know how much he might end up costing.
For the second, by now surely BR has spent a fair amount of time with the squad in training (least those not involved in Europe) and I'd imagine he has a pretty good idea of how Joe Allen would compare to what we already have. Who would you trust? Scouting reports from the internet or your own eyes? If BR thinks Joe will improve the squad, then I'm happy to let him show me how.
RDL
25 Jul 2012 15:29:13
BBC sport claim Swansea have rejected 10 mil + jonjo on season long loan for Allen
Liverpool are moving at snails pace in this transfer window. I wouldnt be suprised if our targets are all snapped up by the end of this. We've had a problem with 3 specific areas since January and everyone expected this to be sorted out in January (an out and out striker that puts the ball in the net, a pacey skilful winger that can cross properly and lastly back up for Lucas in the DM position. Joe Allen is looking like he'll be a playmaking DM, our 'out and out striker' is supposed to be fabio borini and I'm assuming dempsey is our pacey skilful winger...somehow. To me that all seems very cloudy, genuinely have no idea how that will pan out but I had this feeling last summer when we bought downing Henderson and Adam....hmmm
This post represents the reds fan's hidden doubts. But Carroll is our out an out striker till he's gone.
It truly is a hidden doubt like I try to keep my frustrations to myself but it's so hard especially after last season. After January we were as good as a relegation ccandidate and you can't blame it all on luck. We weren't even in Europe and I know we did really well in the domestic competitions (which is the only positive thing kenny did on a football basis, he also restored some off the spirit that went during hodgsons rein). It's just you expect the small things to be done quicker like selling some players and buying players, so the squad as a whole is in early and rogers will have enough time to implement his style, but it's totally the opposite. Where moving at snails pace in the transfer department, players talking about leaving, loads of the squad was split up until just yesterday. Everytime I hear so and so talk about my club I defend it so aggressively because they don't know what it's like to be an lfc fan. They don't know how I felt when Liverpool won the champions league in 2005, and then there comes a point where my doubt takes over and I think it's best just to stop watching footbal so I don't get angry all the time :(. I hope one day things start being done with the heart again instead of the money.
He is worth 15 mil, not 10... at the end of the day Liverpool should put up or shut up. Why would they want Shelvey on loan for a season and lose 5 mil?? Pay the price or no dice....
25 Jul 2012 15:28:22
Sky Sports understand Brendan wants to bring in De Vries (Wolves Keeper) to be back up to Reina.. we can do better then that cant we?
We only need him for back up it's not like he'll play any more than 5-10 games this season
Hans
Why do we need to do better than that? ''Back up'' - Reina will play 98% of the time. No need to spend any sort of substantial amount on a back up keeper.
Amz
Who are you gonna get as back-up, Buffon? Casillias?!
We already have Jones, Doni and Gulasci for back up though?
He did well for Brendan at Swansea, fitting into his 11 man football philosophy, won't be on massive wages either.
Would guess this will mean Doni moving on, along with his 50k wages
RedSG
5-10 you mean 1-2
No probably 5-10 as he may be used in the Europa League and/or domestic cups
Hans
Another he did good for brendan at swansea,, but what did swansea win
25 Jul 2012 15:26:46
Apparantly Wenger has Cazorla in his sights for £16m with personal terms agreed.Surely that's the kind of player we need at that kind of price?He's got more appeal than Dempsey,surely?What do the ED's think?
What we need to do is just concentrate on what WE'RE doing and people stop wingeing on about what other teams are doing!
Corzola is just an average Spanish player
How many times have you seen him play? Oh sorry yeah he's spanish so he must be class.
They could spend £16 million on him and he might come to the Premier League and be rubbish.
Surely walcott must leave
Again, people judging what other people are doing and forever not even considering where the actual player may want to go.
So you need to factor in their wishes as it's a pretty decisive factor. Covers wages, will they be in 1st team regularly, will they be in certain European competition, do they have a preference of which city to live in even.
Average spanish player is the equivalent of an outstanding British player
25 Jul 2012 15:13:28
With the Europa league kicking off next week what would you expect are line up to be. With regards to gerrard and co only jus returning to training do you think we can expect to see sg/gj/fb/jh/ac all start or even on the bench
25 Jul 2012 15:12:34
enough with the negative posts about allen before he has even walked in the door..some of you need to really reconsider what it means to support the club. enough of that though.. anyone else getting really excited for tonights match? I know none of the boys that just flew over will play tonight but i still think it will be a fun one to watch
cheers
Not really, In my opinion it will be like a fitness session with three million substitutes not really what I would call exciting. Have you tried getting out a bit more often?
Slightly harsh reply like.
But funny.....
FowlerisGod
25 Jul 2012 15:08:27
for me the most exciting signing for us this season will be none other than Joe ALLEN.
THIS IS GONNA BE A GREATE SEASON.
I just got a feeling
I agree. He's a special player.
25 Jul 2012 15:06:31
Is Rodgers capable of showing interest with any players he hasn't played with? he's not taking risks i reckon so it makes it easier for him in the dressing room
Surely he would of stayed at Swansea then. Massive risk joining Liverpool
FowlerisGod
Fair point.
Ozone
25 Jul 2012 15:02:23
15m for joe Allen is ridiculous. Worse than 35m for Carroll
No 35m forCarrolls ridiculous
Both Ridiculous. £25m for carroll and £10 for Allen is correct one.
Why is everyone bothered about the price? It's not your money, and also you're all complaining that FSG aren't buying anyone, then we go for people and that's wrong too.
Red Raw
25 Jul 2012 15:01:19
eds just a question>
I work in the construction industry negotiating deals and orders - nothing of the level in purchasing a £50m footballer but by nature cards are played close to the chest in order to make money and achieve the best deals/ survive.
Countless other industries have trained professionals who handle buying and selling in the hardest of markets.
I've seen a really good post earlier in the day where someone made the point that we tend to pay more if a selling club knows we have just sold a player for a lot of money. This got me thinking.
Perhaps my questions are stupid but i would really welcome insight:
1. Who actually deals with the wheeling and dealing at Lfc when it comes to purchasing players - i know in some cases the manager has the final say but how well qualified are they at negotiation ? ( I'm not specifically referring to BR this is a generalisation as many are ex footballers who i can imagine are not the sharpest tools in the box).
2. If we say sold skertl (spelling sorry) to city for £20m as we did with nando for £50m then no doubt clubs would try and sell us titus bramble for £15m. My question is simply why would we not just sell skertl or any other player and as a point of sale ensure no party can declare the sale value ?. Thus we could hunt down players in the knowledge others do not know our hand.
I'm not down on any of the signings we have made this summer and i do think that Adam, Henderson and AC if given the chance will prove decent business. I do feel however they were expensive in relation to other transfers and i would like to know who sits on the board at LFC who can negotiate akin to say a Daniel levy of spurs.
Not a criticism i would just like some respected opinions ?
Jon . {Ed002's Note - The manager will not be involved in negotiation. Commercial staff are - say Ian Ayres and his team. The sale values have to be declared now and are recorded.}
Thanks Ed - sorry not being a pain but why do they have to be recorded to the public and when you read that transfers happen for an undisclosed fee what is the difference
Thanks for your reply earlier {Ed002's Note - About two or three years ago rules were changed that all transfers within Europe were to be recorded centrally and there would no longer be the "undisclosed" fee situation. Most countries already comply and As of this year all do. So nothing is hidden any longer.}
25 Jul 2012 14:58:35
Are we looking for a goalkeeper? Sky sports says we are interested in dorus de vries of Wolves.
Red Nepal
25 Jul 2012 14:54:54
Buy then sell
Not sell to buy, that way clubs don't take the piss in negotiating fees GENIUS, I wonder if fsg are that clever and keeping club interest quiet for the moment...
We definately a fair bit of dosh to spend.
If we were skint BR would have cashed in for luxury player g Johnson you'd have thought straight away.
25 Jul 2012 14:48:27
Alright eds do u think There is a chance of us battling united for Ezequiel Cirigliano's signature? He has drawn comparisons to Xavi for his passing and, former liverpool midfield enforcer, Mascherano for his tackling. I heard a fee of £4-6m would be enough to make River Plate think about selling. surely he's worth a gamble. What do u think? {Ed002's Note - Clutching at straws.}
Ha and I suppose when Utd sign him it'll be 'oh woe is us, another player we've missed out on, we're a laughing stock' and all that rubbish that people keep spewing on here!
25 Jul 2012 14:34:41
For all you FSG haters...
Just look at Malaga.., sheik money that's just done one.., soon got bored of his toy.., over stretching and being successful .. Rangers, top wages going all the way back to Gazza, plenty of trophys, dodgy tax schemes, supporters deliriously happy, now facing consequences.. Wouldn't happen PL
Portsmouth win the FA Cup, Crouch and Defoe on mad money with dirty Harry and a 20,000 gate, fantastic day out for Pompey fans, look now..
We have serious business men who I hope have the best long term interests of our club ..., dreaming of RVP, transfer him on your Xbox ..
PistolPete
Not to mention whats gonna happen to the likes of Chelsea and City when the financial fair play rules kick in by 2014, they'll get a hard sharp bump when they hit the ground and their sugar daddies get bored and dissapear. {Ed002's Note - I am afraid that you are living in some bizarre fantasy world.}
Sheik bought Malaga to get favor from the locals for a large land development project!
The likes of the owners of chelsea and man city didn't acquire their wealth without finding the ability to find loopholes!
i'm an lfc fan through and through but the FFP rules do not in any way seem to bother either club or their spending.
this leads me to believe they aren't yet a real threat to either clubs spending or that they believe theirs faults/loopholes for them pick up on and take advantage.
Sorry ed002 forgot you're a chelsea fan lol. I think it's true though, the likes of City and Chelsea will be hit harder than most and will have to change the most when the new rules come into play. {Ed001's Note - why will they? Do you actually understand what the FFP rules are? City and Chelsea certainly do and have planned for them.}
Fantastic post, should be post of the day Ed!
PJ
25 Jul 2012 14:38:38
Very impressed with BR. This could be that start of a positive chapter for our great club & again backed in the Market from our owners.
For anyone who has seen borini the lad is a fox in the box (we have lacked for a while) he has pace, intelligent movement & good finisher, I would have him everyday over Remy!
As for Allen? The lad is a talent, a multi skilled midfielder, tackling, passing & running at players. If he was french or south American the mood would b very different on this page.
I would say if you don't really know your footie & are guessing just stick to reading the posts & may may learn something.
Jimbob
Very well said. Good post.
Daveevad
If BORINI was so good how come he went
to ROMA,how come none of the big hitters
were after him......AVERAGE AT BEST...
auntie annie.....
25 Jul 2012 14:24:39
Hello ed's any news on dempsey? seems to gone a bit quiet regarding news on his future.
Also now that Ibramhiovic has left Ac Milan do you think this will spark interest in Carrol From Milan? {Ed002's Note - I doubt it. They are interested in Tevez.}
25 Jul 2012 14:23:09
I have been a liverpool Supporter for 30 years, and a season ticket holder for 20 (Kop, Lower centenary), i first got onto this website purely by accident about 4 years ago, i have posted a few things over the years, but lately i just read others comments and sometimes have a chuckle, we can no longer be classed as the best fans in the world as some of the rubbish that so-called fans put on this website, (Allen rubbish, he hasn't even signed for us, and he is getting grief,) wonder if these were then same people who were slagging Lucas off 2-3 years ago, i am prepared to just wait until the transfer window closes in August. to see who have bought/sold etc...
Steve M
Top man good post - see you in the stands
Good shout Steve
I think its the internet and blanket TV exposure which clouds the issue now in my opinion. Too many platforms for opinion, where as the only platform used to be the terraces.
Red G
Makes me wonder steve if these fans genuinely are depressed at our signings, I would say this must be a sign of a very sad existence.
Or if they are just saying these things to provoke people on here.
Again I would say this was a sign of a very sad existence.
I watch football because I enjoy the sport. If I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't watch it.
It's only a game and it always has it's ups and downs. It's high moments and it's low moments. If Liverpool won everything every year where would the fun be in that?
See you in the kop sometime mate, i will always cheer as I imagine you will.
MIKEY
Lucas arrived with more pedigree and had serious competition in the squad, plus Benitez came out with the statement that this lad would get us goals at the time, to add to his woes. Allen has less competition and will look good as a result and get a proper run in the 1st team due to lack of competition score goals and be a HIT whether this will propel us to 4th place is harder to judge.
Still the best fans in the world.
Unfortunately, we also have some of the worst.
In the words of Brendan Rodgers:
There are three types of supporters at every club. No 1 are those who love their club and will love their manager whoever it is because Liverpool is their life and their passion.
The second group are supporters who will accept you but to earn their real respect you will have to be successful, and that's fine.
The third group are the critics and you never change them ever. Ever. If you win 4-0 it should have been five, if you win the league you should have won three. But I will never worry about that group, because you can never affect them.
Red Steve
Big fan of signings Roy hodgson and Paul konchelsky and Gillette and hicks were you because they've been given an lfc clip on tie to wear. If Owen came back to Liverpool would you declare your love fir him all over again if he scored a goal for Liverpool. There is one type of fan a bit of a sucker and I wouldn't discount myself from that. If they put the season ticket up by 40% I'd find the money from somewhere.
WELL SAID STEVE!!
GAFFER
25 Jul 2012 14:16:14
Alan Pardew has just given an interesting interview (covered by BBC sport), in which he says LFC just need to accept a loss on Andy Carroll and move on.
No arguement there. He actually makes a lot of sense in a way that is not derogatory to LFC (in my opinion, although many will disagree Im sure!), although it could be argued that he shouldnt really be speaking about someone elses player I guess.
The point I found interesting was his quote below.....
PARDEW - "Whether it's £15m, £16m or £20m, if [Rodgers] uses that money and gets an uplift in the player that he brings in that's OK,"
This statement suggests that real negotiations ARE taking place for a perminent transfer, and that Newcastle are prepared to pay £15/£16m, but LFC are sticking to their guns and insisting on the full £20m.
Would anyone else agree with this analysis, or am I reading too much into some figures that Pardew has plucked from thin air? Any thoughts Eds?
Cheers
Red G
According to well placed north east journalist Niall Hickman, Liverpool will not lose the £15m-£20m that is constantly quoted on any transfer of Carroll back to Newcastle. Well respected journalist Hickman said on talksport recently that Liverpool did not pay the full £35m in one go and will probably lose between £4m-£8m not £15m- £20m on a £17m to £20m transfer of Carroll back to Newcastle.
As pardew has hinted before not in so many words but they'll be speaking to the organ grinder
I found this bit interesting on the BBC website:
"New Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers has revealed he is willing to accept offers of around £20m for the England striker."
I would like them to find quotes from Rodgers indicating that he is willing to accept £20m for Carroll.
And you're right Pardew shouldn't be talking about our players. If they want to sign him, make a bid. Don't discuss it with the media and try and unsettle the player.
JRG
I don't think pardew has any right to say we should accept a loss of that amount.
cheers mal
25 Jul 2012 14:15:59
Phil Jones and Henderson both cost about the same, both young england internationals.. both were relatively average last year. But Jones is surrounded by success, thus deflecting attention away from him when he scores stupid own goals, yet Henderson can play good and get hammered for not being world class like Gerrard. Different environments and different expectations of players at the same level, with the same potential..
Food for thought. Henderson should've been bought as a squad player, so he could develop without a seasons hopes and dreams on his shoulders.
YNWA! (Adam)
Totally agree mate, jones has been poor for united in my opinion, although he hasn't been played in a settled position, but all u hear is the pro united press going on about how he's going to be the future england captain! Whearas hendersons been a flop according to the press even tho he's roughly same age an cost the same amount and still made the england squad ! When iv watched phil jones he's looked like a headless chicken to me and he's got a bad hair cut! Dennis 89. Hg {Ed001's Note - Henderson cost about £8m less.}
Henderson was bought as a first team player hence why daglish played him do much whereas jones wasn't bought for first team just as a prospect that will come good. Henderson hardly played well last season started relatively good but was a none factor as the season went on. Every lfc fan and don't say 'not me' hated the fact he would start ahead of kuyt and maxi because they deserved first team football he didn't. He should of been a substitute player for that first season but he was put on the right (not his position) and hardly ever played well...that's a fact. Don't post stupid things that will backfire because acting innocent as if Henderson has suddenly done something worthy of his place at Liverpool which he hasn't. Just like the people on here saying 'oh like how you lot slated Lucas 2-3 seasons ago' shhuutt upp because you were part of that same group that thought he is terrible and will never come good. He worked hard and that's because of the players he had around him, mascherano, alonso, gerrard all had to school him and now he's one of our top players. But he was not then so criticism was deserved, just like now I'll criticise Henderson if he has a bad game because he deserves it. Grow up and admit that your apart of that same group.
I'm sorry how many medals has Jones got from last season and how many has Jordan Henderson?!
Brad jones has 1 more medal than phil jones, what's your point...?
25 Jul 2012 14:12:54
Reina is staying. Doni is going as his paid 50k per week and will take Donis backup spot on squad.
You realise that makes no sense, right?
25 Jul 2012 14:12:43
anyone got a stream for the liverpool reserves vs chester game?
Red Rout
Chrome Live Football
Try wiziwig tv.
25 Jul 2012 14:11:03
Just wanted to comment on all the negative posts and people getting hung up on the prices being quoted for players we're interested in such as Allen. The Mancs have just signed an 18yr old who has only played L1 football.......7 mill. Allen has played Prem football and shone, he's young and will only improve. As another post mentioned, at 15 mill your buying a decent player with potential. He isn't Neymar or Goetze or any of the other 30 mill plus youngsters, but has the potential to be quality and will improve our squad
We need to remember, we have a massive reputation worldwide, IMO still one of the top 10 in Europe, and can attract top players, but alot of players nowadays are mercenaries. They want CL football and stupid wages. At the moment we can't offer CL and won't pay the astronomical wages some would demand. Does this make our ambitions small? Or are we going about things in the right way? Last season was disappointing, however, how bad really were we? Great football with no luck at all! The right additions and increased squad depth and we have an excellent squad. Without RVP - better than Arsenal, with AVB in charge - better than Spuds.
Judge BR in a years time. If we finish 8th again, then granted questions need to be asked. However I feel strongly we will contest top 4 and then next year push on again...........
Mark the Selby Red
25 Jul 2012 14:10:50
Ed's just a quick question, i post all the time but never seem to get on the walls, non of my post are negiutive aginst yourselves, LFC or anyone else, just wondering f there is anything i need to do to increase my chances.
Thanks
Souness {Ed002's Note - I have never seen a post with your name.}
25 Jul 2012 13:56:31
Is it true that Rodgers is planning to bring in Dorus de Vries as cover for Reina?
25 Jul 2012 13:56:06
Is it true we've agreed a fee with Swansea for Allen?
No we just had a bid rejected.
25 Jul 2012 13:56:41
To all you moaners/Trolls out there,
If you keep it up you will only force Allen or any other decent player to move to another club.
Seriously, just stop the moaning! You are only harming the club.
I wish he would sign for another club
Well for one allen is not a great player so wuld not be bothered we have plenty of midfielders who are just as good so just a waste
Could not agree more - why would anyone in their right mind want to come and play for some of the eijits on here? We're not ENTITLED to greatness again, we have to earn it. And how are we gonna boost the confidence of the guys we have already got if we continually slag them to death?
I am 100% certain that Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam will come good. Have faith.
25 Jul 2012 13:47:34
Rodgers lines up move for Dorus de Vries
Hans
I assume Doni is finished at the club
Rocky
25 Jul 2012 13:39:15
hi eds heard Macca say that if caroll is sold the money would be used for buying another striker do u see it happening whilst dempsey signing for us {Ed002's Note - Yes. If players leave there will be others joining.}
25 Jul 2012 13:35:40
Will everyone stop giving out about Joe Allen, he was in the top 6 passers percentage wise in Europe last season and I'm telling you now anybody else in that top 10 or even top 15 passers would cost upwards of 20m and thats for a mid to late 20's player. I think we are getting a bargain for this lad, what is he 21, 22, with vast potential to improve. Do all you so called fans think BR came here to ruin this club, No! He came here to build a foundation of quality youth players which will allow us to compete for CL now but in 3-4 years compete for the title. Stop thinking about the price tag, he will pay what he thinks Allen is worth and he's not gonna pay more than what the lad's worth (as shown with Siggurdson). If the boy spends 10 years here and develops into a world class midfielder (which he will) that fee will work out at 1.3m a year (not including his reasonably low wages) and if we sell we'll recoup more than what we paid. So come on reds have faith in BR!
Irish redman
25 Jul 2012 13:32:40
All this Allen talk is doing my head in as you know what is going to happen.
Yes, you guessed it he will sign for Spurs just like Gylfi did....You heard it here first
We seem too slow to do things and invite other teams to come over us...
Don't you just hate the spurs
You forgot to sign your post - fromaspursfan - lol
25 Jul 2012 13:30:31
Ins:
Fabio Borini - 10million
Joe Allen - 13million
Clint Dempsey - 3million + Charlie Adam
Gerard Deulofeu - 6million
Outs:
Dirk Kuyt - 1million
Maxi Rodriguez - free
Fabio Aurelio - free
Alexander Doni - free
Jay Spearing - 3million
Andy Carroll - 18million
Charlie Adam - P/E
Joe Cole - 4million
Bradley Jones - free
Spearing and cole 7 mill what's that in draqmas?
Looked quite reasonable until £4 Million for Joe Cole. No-one is gonna pay that for him and take on his stupid wages i'm afraid.
David
We could end up still paying some of Cole's wages like we're doing with Poulsen.
- Something Red - {Ed002's Note - Cole is owed money from his signing on fee, that would need to be paid off. I am pretty sure Poulsen was off the books at the end of June.}
Bellamy looks the most likely player to leave at the moment
25 Jul 2012 13:28:57
Hi eds. is it true what sky are reporting that andy carrol will be sold to fund the allen transfer? Surely the funds are there without carrol as Macca said, idea is 4 in 4 out, intrestingly werner saying there is financial muscle though they want the club to be self sustainable how many clubs ate these days, and surely until thr club has a bigger capacity ground they should be providing the funds as because until we have higher capacity whoch could be years wel not so are we not to sign any exciting players and are we not going to do whatever we can to get to the top?
It is a fans game and signings like allen funded by sales isnt really exciting makes u think theres no money to compete u look at utd and chelsea hazard moura possibly cazorla to arsenal all exciting wereas we seem fixated on non-exciting signings. I realise at this present time we havent got the pulling power of champs league but surely we could still attract a lot best stadium in wotld to play, history, we still pay big wages, so im confused with werner i really am. So is it true carrols sale will fund it surely that means no more signings then cause we will havte sell someone else to fund that?
It's weird how people assume signing Lucas Moura or someone like that is exciting. I've not seen him play admittedly but the only video of him I have seen (shown to me by a bragging Utd fan) was laughable. He's all tricks and skills and I didn't see him make one single pass in the whole video? He looked like Freddy Adu, doing all kinds of Fifa tricks but with very limited end product. Obvioulsy I could be wrong as youtube can make anyone look amazing or poor but I just don't understand how people would rather we spend £20-£40m on a 19 year old player from a poor quality Brazilian league rather than £13m on a young player that has performed excellently at 22 in the Premier League. Makes no sense at all to me.
MarkB.
25 Jul 2012 13:15:49
Hello fellow kopites,
what according to you would be a good summer transfer window for LFC ?
I fell if
INS : Allen , Dempsey , ST/RF (Matias Suarez)
OUTS : Spearing, Adam, Joe cole, Bellamy, Carroll, possibly Aquilani
It would be a great summer. Reducing the wage bill considerably while bringing in Quality who can do a job when called upon by the Manager. Realistic enough Eds ?
{Ed002's Note - You have forgotten Borini.}
What I think would be a good transfer for LFC.
Ins-
Messi,Xavi,Iniesta,Thiago Silva,Alonso,Lucio,Ramos and Ronaldo all on free transfers,50,000 pw and no signing on fee.
Outs-
Spearing for 40 million with a buy back clause of 1p.
Aquilani To Ac Milan with a clause that they never contact us again and if they do we report Berlusconi for his Bunga parties with Minors.
Am I close ?
Kopping a feel
25 Jul 2012 13:15:45
Could see Balázs Dzsudzsák coming to LFC once we sell Downing.
Are we selling Downing?
Tommy
25 Jul 2012 13:13:03
Would people please stop ridiculing other's opinions about Allen saying that if he were foreign we'd all love him. It's extremely patronising. I'm a big football follower and have watched Allen a lot. Good player but that's about it. For wales- Ramsey always stands out as better for me.
Yes Allen keeps the ball well but is not creative enough to add anything to our team. Henderson for example keeps the ball well but again adds no creativity (I kno, I kno- playing out of position, etc.) but we definitely don't need another Hendo.
If your anything like me, when u see a player and his first touch is good, he gets his head up and looks to create- u can usually tell how good he is- even if the execution isnt always perfect. Well my worry is that Allen does not have the vision for an incisive pass nor the skill for an accurate long ball a la alonso/Gerrard. He is a good player but we all seemed to agree that 2 or 3 players of great quality in the required positions and we would have the making of a very good team. I really don't see the need for Allen (although good) in our team- and to b fair what will b a hefty chunk of our summer spending (yes yes- no set budget, I've heard that nonsense too) will be wasted. Buy expensive, sell cheap- the new Liverpool way!
Worryingly yours,
Jason
Didn't read the rest after you said Ramsey is better than Allen. Fell of the chair laughing!
I really needed that. Now mate, The grass always seems greener on the other side.
Ask any Arsenal fan whether he would swap Allen for Ramsey. They would do it in a heartbeat.
Allen not only brings his passing,creativity and ball retention, but he is also very sound in his defensive duties. People when quoting his stats forget that after Gylfi joined Swansea, Allen gave up his advanced role to retreat to the middle between Britton and Sig. This change in his position reflected on his stats.
Corvin
Sorry for the delay. Busy day!
Ok mate agreed his ball retention is good in close proximity and he's got good energy and can tackle. Fair enough. Now for me he lacks creativity, his long passing is poor at best, very poor shooting and although as u touched on he played a deeper role after jan, for me he doesn't get into the box often enough.
Now to pay £15m for a player who is good but not needed seems daft to me. We don't lack in any of these areas that he brings to the table. We do lack- pace, width and finishing. Why not address the pressing issues in our squad first?
Oh and Ramsey had a poor year- he's still welsh captain if I'm not mistaken and a year 18 months ago ppl were raving about him too. Now u fall off ur seat laughing at the mention of his name in the same breath as Allen- wise up mate!
Jason
25 Jul 2012 13:11:01
A lot of people make a big deal about people not leaving a name on the end of posts. Making out it is cowardly. Well it is no more cowardly than those of us who leave a name, including myself, because nobody will ever know who we are regardless. Most names are meant to be humerous and in no way give away our identity. People have a go at each over the Internet under these false names and slate those who don't sign off with one. I apologise for this pretty pointless post.
Completely away from this, I think Allen would be a fantastic signing and I hope we sign him up this window.
KingHeskey
At least use your real name if youre going to slate anonymous posters and those with aliases
Was that sarcastic? I'm pretty sure he was saying how it's not worth arguing over. Or even talking about, like we're doing now...
My names William Manton but I use Kopping a feel or previously Red Willy.
The use of your online id is to gather respect from other regular posters or laughed at which ever personally I just say what I feel I may not be the most knowledgable football fans but Love Liverpool fc Just like everyone else who visits this site or their respective clubs.
We get annoyed by anonymous posters because we cant identify whether they are one,two,three or a million different people.
We would like to be able to identify even if it does mean very little.You will find regular users have alot more say and respect from posters and editors alike because they know who they are talking too.
Kopping a feel aka Red Will aka William Manton. {Ed001's Note - it just makes it easier to hold a conversation, when you know who you are talking to. It doesn't matter whether the name is their real one or not, it is just so you can identify and distinguish the person you are conversing with.}
24 Jul 2012 22:30:23
Why have people suddenly started to believe Ben Smith or the majority of the press..
Why don't we wait till the transfer window has closed before we judge the owners..
Do you really think we should be giving the impression that we have money to spend?
Thoughts please..
Cheers
Macca
I cannot press the Agree button enough times !
G Spot
I agree with Macca. If Lpool start saying they have money to spend clubs will inflate their prices. It's refreshing to see Rodgers not being held to ransom over the Sigurdsson. We paid far too much last season for some of the players we signed. Clubs with money like Man City & PSG are paying stupid money and wages for players.
FSG have done a good job so far we should have faith in there decision making they want the best for the club. And that includes spending money when required.
Macca, previously you said that the owners were willing to spend big this summer, but based on Werner's recent comments.. Are you still confident that they will?
Yes, it was Kenny/Comolli that made mistakes with money.. but they were the ones that appointed Comolli to oversee the transfer negotiations (Comolli's track record wasn't even great tbh). Surely they need to give Rodgers a DECENT sized kitty if they expect him to do a good job at LFC?!
Looking forward to hearing your response
JJ
The impression still now is Owners do backed Kenny last summer; they will support BR too, so cant argue on that point with Macca
but again at the same time we have only signed Borini & there are players who already left & some more (Adam, Cole etc) will leave. so overall 5/6 players is expected to join the squad. now if we continue to do deals so slow thinking of there is time in hand , we might end up paying more for signing players at the very last moment..
latest i heard spurs are also in for Allen & there might b another Phil Jones/Gylfi Siggurdson like story & we LFC fans can do nothing & watch others snatch our targets.
BenRED
Sounds like Cavani is on his way then
I never believe the press. IMO judging the owners after a transfer window is still too early, they said themselves its a long term plan so give em a few seasons at least and i dont see why it matters what money they spend as long as its spent on successful players that help achieve the long term plan but no, giving the impression we have loads to spend will only increase the prices of our targets.
Some if not most of our 'fans' are easily sold by punditry and tabloids.
Sam Adzii jft96
25 Jul 2012 13:38:42
totally agree with u Macca , i trust the owners and back everything they r trying to achieve and i never believe anything the press say , cheers Macca for all the valuable info u give us on this site and thanks to all the eds also great site....steve
Macca, i completely agree, if you went into carcraft and said 'ive got loads of money to spend and we are not bothered by price or fuel consumption' we would have our pants pulled down.
The owners will back us as they see fit, they did it last year without a set budget. I trust FSG and believe they will make a success of LFC.
Souness
Well said, why would we want to tell the whole world how much we have to spend. Doesn't that just then give the chance to bump up the transfer fees. We want to rebuild and not throw copious amounts of money away on players. These owners are very cleaver business men, not like the Oil tycoons, or the rich families who don't care about throwing money away, these guys want to make money, the only way yo do that is by winning trophies, to win trophies we need to spend money, but not necessarily big money. Wait and see!
AndyJ
Well transfer targets are borini allen dempsey, hardly overly inspiring despite the fact that they ll add tothe squad, i fearitshows little owner ambition to bring us promptly back to the top tier of english football
tom1975
25 Jul 2012 13:46:12
Anyways, I think the main reason why the fans are starting to believe the thoughts in the media is because other teams around us are making signing and we aren't. And of course the fact that you have been a bit quiet lately which we don't blame you of course.
Can you please share your latest information with regards to our targets? Are we still at Allen and Dempsey? Also, are Carroll and Suarez on the go?
thanks!
M.T
25 Jul 2012 13:46:36
Totally agree Macca mate. Smith and Barrett have both said 'we need to sell to buy'. If we do get Allen, we would have spent 20-25 mill and we haven't sold anyone. The only ones that has spent more than us thus far is Chelsea.
Smith and Barrett are starting to fall into their own trap. And believing media bullsh!t.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
25 Jul 2012 13:48:15
Are you suggesting we do have money to spend, but just don't want anyone to know? Thus avoiding us paying 'Sheikh prices'.. I hadn't actuallt thought of it that way.
Thanks for the post Macca, much appreciated.
Wondering what you thought on the display of attitude frm Borini in his interview? This lad will be special for us!
YNWA! (Adam)
I couldn't agree more. If a club keeps there cards close to their chest and makes out they don't have a lot to spend, if an approach is amde and a club is willing to sell a player they know they cannot be held to randsome. For example, if City came in for Skrtel, would we sell him to the for £13 million? No. If PSG came in for him would we sell him for £13 million? No. If a team who clearly do not have the investment and the club where willing to offload him would we sell him for £13 million? Probably. Newcastle new we had £50 million for Torres and asked for £35 million for Carroll. Ronaldo sold for nearly £80 million, if United sought a replacement that was valued at £20 million prior to the sale of Ronaldo they would end up paying in excess of £30 million. If a club is desperate for a player and has the cash they will pay anything as proven by City. Keep the faith, support the team dressed in red the team we all love. YNWA Mitch
25 Jul 2012 13:50:03
Macca,
To be honest mate, I think its because yourself and Ben Smith (without putting you in the same category of course!) are the only sources of any information at all at the moment, so everyone here is feeding on scraps (with 2 silent s'!).
Not even the great british media are comming up with many links to get stuck into, weather its rubbish or not, other than the same regurgatated Allen and Dempsey stories which they got from you to begin with!
All the best chap.
Red G
I agree, the same Ben Smith that said we had signed Gylfi Sigurdsson. How would he know what are finances are. Being a journalist is the easiest job in the world, being paid to spout crap.
All the above are deluded we dont have money at all i no u cant tel people we do but u get your players in early to gel with the team and spending money on demsey and allen is just a waste average players again why not buy rameriz with that money or aferlay you could get both them for the same price and would do alot more for are team
mike
Chelsea, arsenal & tottenham
25 Jul 2012 17:12:48
Macca, these are most likely the same "fans" that abuse the Ed's and never sign off their posts. Small minded.
Like you say We will see what develops between now and Sept 1st.
Hopefully AC staying?
Lee73
25 Jul 2012 17:13:05
Exactly Macca! In the past we have over spent by huge margins because the teams we dealt with knew we had money to spend.
AG
25 Jul 2012 17:14:20
Agree absolutely with Macca's point. Only fools announce to everyone how much they have to spend.
Everyone needs to relax a bit, the Club & our Owners know what they are doing - we need to trust them.
Agreed, who had heard of Ben Smith before he decided he was the Oracle of Anfield and thinks he knows all the ins and outs, and know he's being talked about all over the place. He doensn't know a thing, just making a name for himself.
In reply to Mike , we do have money the reason we havent done much business is cos we have a new manager who wants to assess the squad 1st , with many players just returning its taking longer which is always the same when there is a major tournament in the summer so please b patient .... steve
25 Jul 2012 12:57:15
Should LFC go for Allen? No, not this summer at least. And our reasoning is down to one key aspect - money.Allen is currently part of the Great Britain squad going for gold at the Olympic games, and quality performances from him, regardless of the opposition, will see his price rocket further.
Swansea are talking about driving a hard bargain, and it could be one which does not result well for Liverpool's bank balance.
It is the legacy of Liverpool's disastrous buy-British policy from last year, if Sunderland received £20 million for Jordan Henderson, a player at a similar stage of his career, Swansea are entitled to expect a similar sum.
Reports have suggested Swansea are hoping for £15 million plus for Allen, and that is why Liverpool should walk away, for now at least.
You have to ask; will his price go up in 12 months from what it is now? With Swansea facing the potentially troublesome 'second-season syndrome' factor, Allen also may face difficulties in pushing on.
Even if he has a better season than last year, it is hard to believe his price tag a year from now will have moved upwards from £15 million.
So what if he costs 15m? Buy him now rather than wait for another year when he may, or may not, cost more or cost less. Ridiculous argument. If he fits BRs plans, let's get him.....unless you can guarantee that he will move to us next year for half that price with no other teams interested?
cozinoz
Let's not sign anyone then. This argument stands for every player on the planet.
MarkB.
25 Jul 2012 12:53:45
why is everyone giving allen a hard time before he has even joined? we are supposed to be the best fans in the world and were acting like this. how many of you have actually watched him play, not many if you because if you would have you would have known he is a top players with a lot of potential who can pass,shoot,dribble and tackle very very well, everyone give him a break and in a few months he will prove you all wrong! eds has a fee actually been agreed yet? i hope it has
thanks, ryan the red
25 Jul 2012 12:47:03
a lot of people talk total sh#t on this site.....
why pay this much for him he is no good we should buy this player ' i saw a him on you tube'. were over paying for home grown players.
can you please leave your cv's into B.Rodgers to be his new scouting team.
sorry eds just getting sick of it. how use put up with it.
great site other than that.
trebor.
25 jul 2012 12:46:18
r i p prez atta mills
famous
25 Jul 2012 12:40:14
it sickens me the amount of people that come on here to moan about hw bad charlie adam is and how pleased they are that we are signing joe allen. there was so many fans begging kenny to buy charlie 12 months ago cos he was amazing branding him "the new xabi alonso" but know they want to punt him for another guy thats had one good season in the PL. I rate the kid highly but it'll be interesting to see how many people on here want to punt him for half what we paid in 12 months time to get the next british youngster that plays a blinder for a newly promoted team!!
I do not remember any poster on here begging kenny to sign charlie adam. Everyone here is knowledgeable enough to know he is n never will be good enough. I hope we can recover the fee we paid for him.
Indian Buzzer
25 Jul 2012 12:30:24
ed's, my mate reckons liverpool have agreed a fee for allen, and where just sorting out wages etc now, do you know if thats true?
Also with BR coming out and saying he rates carrol do you reckon the chances of him going have droped or do you think he will still go, i personally hope he will stay, come the world cup 80% of the england team will be from lfc!
thanks
john
25 Jul 2012 12:28:23
Maybe we dropped the interest in Sigurdsson because the Joe Allen 'door' opened up and BR thought he was of a better standard.
KernowRed
Doubtful... Rodgers wanted Sigurdsson but wasn't go to pay much more than what Gylfi had agreed to with Swansea, which is commendable on our part.
I think Rodgers wanted both Sigurdsson and Allen.
RedSG
25 Jul 2012 12:25:26
If we sign Joe Allen for 15mil its because of a release clause in his contract. If he has 4/5 seasons as consistent as last season then surely he's worth 15mil? I think it would be a great signing as it would let Gerrard play a more attacking role without worrying about the rest of midfield like he usually does every season. Yes we have Hendo, Shelvey, Gerrard and Lucas (the rest i suspect will be sold) but we also have a lot of games to get through so it makes perfect sense to me to get a player like Allen in the mix, at least BR knows him and vice versa so you would expect he would hit the floor running . YNWA Waynos
25 Jul 2012 12:14:32
Although i dont agree with all Bosco said. Utleast he has the bulls to put his name after his post.Better then the people who say negative things and leave no name.
Pork Chop
He's still a whinging moper, though
cozinoz
25 Jul 2012 12:14:01
Adam, aquilani, cole and spearing get rid of these salaries on the books they offer zip and fall short of winning form every time for Liverpool. Trouble is no one will pay those wages we'll have to pay too much to buy these dead weights and then pay too much to offload them. Still our reserve teams look s*** hot once again this season.
25 Jul 2012 12:10:00
stream.com reports liverpool have agreed 13.5 million for Joe Allen !!
25 Jul 2012 11:45:36
What the hell; £15m for Joe Allen? We already have Henderson and Shelvey who play the same position. Can't we buy a creative player, someone who'll pass the ball forwards? Moura? Maher? Ramirez? Coutinho? Eriksen?.. Or maybe even spend our money on a position that actually needs strengthening. I see people on here shouting for Sinclair, he is not top 4/Champions League/Europa quality either. This is why we have become the laughing stock of the Premier League; buying players like Downing and Adam(players who play the Liverpool way!). It's embarrassing. So Ed's, can you please tell me why we are buying another central midfielder and for so much? Cheers. {Ed002's Note - That is a Dear Brendan letter you need to write.}
What do you know about moura ? eriksen does not want to leave ajax, and the others are MOTD fever, how many times have you actually seen them play, get off the bandwagon and leave the job to BR
25 Jul 2012 11:17:34
Hi Eds/all
I'm interested in hearing your views about whether Joe Allen is really worth £15m, or whether there is a risk that LFC would be overpaying at that price, as we have for a couple of players in the past.
Part of the answer to that depends on your assessment of his qualities, and from what little I've seen (a few Swansea games) he seems a very useful player.
But then 15m is an awful lot for a midfielder in the current market, especially when you look at some of the lowish transfer fees that have recently been paid for top quality players, and I wonder if BR's very strong interest in Allen, and his familiarity with the lad, is clouding his judgement a little.
I wonder if BR has really opened his radar and looked at what other players might be available in that 15m price bracket?
Are there better/more suitable players that LFC could buy for that kind of money? I do wonder...
{Ed002's Note - He is worth to Liverpool what they are willing to pay. Outside of that, there is little true measure of worth of a player. A lot of the concerns come about because many supporters cannot look at one player individually without making a bunch of irrelevant comparisons.}
25 Jul 2012 11:25:15
Hi eds (ed002),
A question on a rumour from a couple of weeks ago. The code that was only meant for one individual from Tamworth. Did it come to fruition/is it still of any relevance (was it ever of any relevance)?
And I thought we were going to get one every week? Was pretty entertaining if nothing else!
Andy Npton Red {Ed002's Note - I have been busy Andy with proper work - to the best of my recollection Chris has figured out four so far - but I gave him one when the player moved clubs in any case.}
25 Jul 2012 11:13:12
Ed, whats your view on the soon to be signing Joe Allen? Is he worth the £15m ? Do you think he has the potential to double his transfer fee in the next couple of years?
Cheers
Sam {Ed019's Note - I think that Joe Allen is a very good player, technically and tactically adept with potential to improve. He has great passing and has a good shot on him. I think he could be very important for Liverpool in the coming season, but whether he will be worth £30M only time will tell}
All managers see something in players they work with and have ones they would like to take with them from previous clubs bill shankly wanted to take denis law from huddersfield but the board wouldnt let him what agood player he was for utd, i for 1 hope we get allen because he is a real good player the more of them the better.Tommy Irish Red.
£30 million ed?? what? is that including agent fees and wages?
Read the 1st post plum!!
25 Jul 2012 11:53:23
According to sources in the Liverpool Echo a deal for Allen has been agreed somewhere between £13.5 and £15 million !
That's way overpriced in my opinion, and yet again we pay way over the odds for over rated potential British talent .................. Madness ! {Ed019's Note - I'm sure you'll be eating your words in a few months' time}
If that is the price then you have been done again. £15 million for a player who passes the ball square and backwards over 10 to 15 yards. Ed it's al about opinion but I doubt you will feel that its value you for money. {Ed002's Note - There comes a point when a club will not pay more because they cannot see the value in a player. My advice is not to concern yoursenf with the value.}
I agree, way over the odds. ONE half decent season in premier league and we will pay twice what he is worth, Remember Carroll/Henderson, fingers burnt again?
He passes the ball square ? oh jeez, is that your knowledge of him ? he is an excellent player, who more often than not retains possession, and as the old adage goes, if your opponents don't have the ball they can't score !!
25 Jul 2012 11:21:14
Eds, what is the situation with Malaga? I thought they were going to be spending big this summer, but have suddernly become financially unstable. Did their owners sell up or something? {Ed019's Note- Try the search function }
25 Jul 2012 11:06:20
i dont know if buying allen is good or bad,but 15mil is too much.
erikson from ajax is a better player and will be a star soon,if we are willing to pay that kind of money we should go for erikson.
in a few weeks the league will start and we have very hard matches in the beginning we should our targets in asap.
i have a feeling fsg have written off the last 18 mounths and will start there plan now.
they sacked comolli because they listened to him and not followed their own plan.
once again i will state that with 3/4 class players we will be fine
The club could bid for Erikson, but as he has no interest in playing for us it would be a waste of time.
Is Allen not as good as Eriksson because he's British?
You all need to recognise that he has already worked with Rodgers, played in the premiership and young.
Red Raw
Erikson will cost more than doule the price of allen and will demand double the wages, as well as tis he has no desire to move to us so lets puit it to bed.
derryred
25 Jul 2012 11:02:01
Modric available for 30 mill tottenham won't lower the price real Madrid won't pay the cash.
Any club with ambition could get a class act
I think he has in mind where he wants to go so it's not the case he'll go to any club
PsG just show intarest Real may pay £30m now.
I wouldnt call a player who refuses to go on tour with the club whos paying his wages a 'class act'. He is a good player , but so are mant other more dedicated players in the world
tel 1949
For me he is really overated id rather spend that 30 million on xabi alonso anyday.
25 jul 2012 10:57:26
why joe allen why not mountinho or someone else why joe allen we need world class or there abouts not joe allen
Have you spoken to Mountinho, does he want to come to Liverpool?
As Joe Allen is young, proven, adapted, cheap (well compared to Mourtiniho who you mentioned) on low wages, home grown, suits the new system, and is used to it, loves Brendan and will have a high sell on value.
There ain't actually any reasons not to buy him, some people doubt his ability, but he is an amazing player, so why not buy him?
Brunsy
Are you playing a game called 'How many times can you say Joe Allen in one sentence?'
Is the name Joe Allan not exotic enough for you?
Mike S
What if Joe Allen becomes the new Xabi Alonso? I mean what did Xabi acomplish before Liverpool? Give the lad a chance and you may just suprise yourself.
Moutinho is 24/25 and isnt world class, joe allen maybe by 25? who knows, + allen his half the price of moutinho. where was moutinho at 22?
Jose allenio would be a better! what do you think eds? cheers ant
25 Jul 2012 10:54:29
Good morning eds and fellow reds, i just want to know when and the time the roma match is going to be played and on behalf of all ghanaian reds say r.i.p. to our president Atta Mills
Check the official website
Its on at 11:30 bst RIP Atta mills.
25 Jul 2012 10:45:11
Eds I would be grateful if you could respond to this post and excuse my ignorance please. I see we have joined up with chevvy as mr ayres called them. What exactly does that mean. Would be grateful for en explanation.
many thanks
Dub11 {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}
25 Jul 2012 10:43:30
Allen to sign on within the next week. Dempsey deal will then be complete and a winger will come in not sure who.
Redglasshouse
Wow thats new lol
You'd think with the money he earns, he wouldn't need to sign on.
This is why we're in an economic crises! :p
Red Raw
25 Jul 2012 10:42:13
£15 million deal for Joe Allen? I guarantee we'll get two mediocre seasons out of him then sell him for less than half of what we bought him for. Sorry to he pessimistic, but I feel the same as I did when we bought Henderson. How is there a £15 million footballer playing in the premiership that I have barely even heard of?!
We should go for Moussa Sissoko. Twice the ability, half the price
The difference between purchasing Allen and the likes of Hendo, Adam as last year is that our manager has worked with Allen and must be confident in his ability, attitude etc.
Remember, Rodgers would not pay over the odds for siggurdson... this is not on a whim...
BR..wanted allen becoz he lost Sig to spurs..15 mill to cover lucas??...we dont have a good playmaker..neither we have pace upfront..I am worried whats BR upto?
If Joe Allen and Jordan Henderson live-up to their potential we will have two of the most technically gifted British players in the premier league (If Allen signs). These two have such good control, passing ability and ball retention that the opposition may never touch the ball.
It makes me laugh when you watch foreign games on the TV and the commentators ask why the home countries cannot produce players who are as technically gifted as the Italians or Spanish . Well we can, but they get slated by the fans because they're not running around the pitch at 100mph, shooting from all angles or making thunderous tackles.
JRG
The last talent British ever produced was gerrard..
nither allen, nor hendo after 10 years will come close to navas or silva or javi maritnez
i hope u heard about javi martinez..
absolute quality..that's his definition
can u imagine any British players to his calibre..
The slating of Joe Allen is getting boring now. Its a pity he wasn't Spanish or Dutch as he would be given a chance then.
Kev.
Allen is a Henderson type of player. I think we should look for winger. less then £15 can bring Suasaeta from Bilbao.
r-r
Sig is better then both
With Henderson, Shelvey and Allen (assuming he signs) we have three young midfielders who all have the potential to be excellent players. If they get anywhere near their potential they could form the heart of the team for the next 5-10 years.
At that time, the fees paid will not be relevant or even remembered.
1970Red
25 Jul 2012 10:40:17
hi eds
1 of the eds has recently said that the deal for allen is gonna happen anytime soon, is this much like the sigurdson deal wer he decided to go somwher else last minute or do u think we will get allen? thanx
fagan81
Sigurdsson didn't decide to go somewhere else - Liverpool never had a bid accepted. We pulled out of the deal because Rodgers thought it was too expensive.
JRG
Sigurdsson chose what he thought was the club with more chance of champ league footy in the future. Scoredcon his debut that whopping 8mill that Rodgers couldn't bring himself to pay with fsg money seems preeeeetty good and his wages aren't some 80 grand a week debacle
Sigurdsson chose the team that gurenteed him more first team football - in particular on the pitch as starting 11. I'm Kent Brockman, this is Channel 6 News, thank you for watching.
25 Jul 2012 10:37:49
Hello Ed002,
is suarez on tour with the team?thanks. {Ed002's Note - No.}
He's in the Uruguay squad for the Olympics
Rocky
He is with the Olympic team
huddz red
25 Jul 2012 10:32:16
Rodgers appears to have picked up the 'Must Pay Over The Odds Syndrome' that
affected Dalglish! £15m for Joe Allen is hilarious!
Who cares about prices?!
25 Jul 2012 13:41:41
Original Poster, How many Swansea games did you watch last season then to make that asumption?
KernowRed
25 Jul 2012 10:14:03
Hi all,
So Werner saying they have money but won't splash!
Simple, they don't have the money nor they like to spend it. Keeping the hands in the pocket and expecting a profit thus selling the club as soon as they achieve it or if they feel they can't do it.
I know FSG would be disappointed with the way Dalglish wasted the money (in fact its not even theirs).
BUt if we can't spend 35/50M on players at least we should be able to Spend 20-25M on players other wise FSG can F##K off. Even H&G did spend that much on players.
Werners words nothing but confirm that we are a mid table team and there we belong for next couple of seasons unless our fortunes changes. We have to sell to buy. Real Shame! I didn't expected that when FSG bought the club. THERE WORDS WERE SO SWEEET.
Isn't it great! Still can't see whats happening and what will happen. FOLKS
I told you once now I told you twice.
FSG are some damn Yanks not the owners we needed.
By the way Thankyou MR. Dalglish for making the best use of money the club received once in a blue moon.
And on the other hand BR splashing 13/15M on Allen is a very bad idea, if we can't get him for 8-10M + may be Adam, then no need pay what ever Swansea demands for the player. Waste of money. Better spend that 15M on a player like Ramirez or give the likes of Shelvey, Aquilani and Adjoran a chance. And we have Henderson too.
We are not the top Liverpool FC any more , we have poor owners who didn't have money to fund signings, so wasting the money is not a choice any more no matter whether a certain club legend wasted it or not.
Bosco
Oh for goodness sake, again? Blah blah blah blah blah...that's all we ever get from this Bosclown, negative nonsense day in day out. Why even bother posting? Nothing original, just the same old depressing garbage. You genuinely make me sick and embarrassed to think you might actually be a Liverpool 'fan', although i have my doubts about that.
Why do you have this belief that you know better than the manager? Have you some hidden skills we have yet to see, some profound footballing knowledge that you are hiding (and hiding it well)? Most genuine fans read your posts and wonder why they even bother. It's not even banter with you, just total drivel. You'd be better off joining the Samaritan's forums, they might actually give a monkey's
Milamber
Nice to see you back Bosco. Your little gems of positivity, and your admirable grasp of the financial aspects of running a football club never fail to brighten my day.
BigBadBen
Maybe FSG should have hired you instead of BR This ain't your FM2012. If BR see Allen as a prefect fit in his system I'll support him, same goes for KD and of cos you!
Excellent post..first time i have seen someone come out and said..YES KK did a huge mistake..he took us from a hell and again left in the same hell and left like a legend..people criticise rafa benitez..but he would be laughing now and will say the media.that i was the last liverpool manager who actually played in CL..
too much money spent on crap players and we are forced to play them..16 mill fo hendo?..20 mill of downing..thats the joke of the year..35 mill for caroll...and we sold torres who was the best striker for us...and are willing to sell suare now...liverpool front 3 will be...boroni dempsy and caroll..and we will ebat everton this time...
Hey Bosco, are you paying our 50 mil annual loss.
Let me guess , NO!
So stop calling the owners cheap.
Just go to another forum to rant.
Tell me genius, if Carroll is not sold, he would start along with Borini and Suarez. So by buying Ramirez where are you planning on playing him?
And the plan to play Ramirez alongside Gerard in midfield would be tactical suicide. Both of them care zilch for their positioning and short passing.
Lucas would be demanding double salary if he has to play with the pair. The player you need in midfield is someone like Allen who is a great passer. And Allen can also play as a DM quite easily. Looking at our huge fixture list, Gerrard will need to take rests. In my opinion Henderson can play in those games and can also alternate with Allen. In all probability, if we sign Allen, it will mean the midfield in 2 year's time would be Henderson--Lucas--Allen.
So for Christ's sake, SUPPORT THE TEAM.
Corvin
Go on, I give up. United, Everton or another team?
Maz
So who is paying the reported £1m in losses the club makes every week?
All you do is p1ss and moan about the owners but without them we could be in the same position as Leeds, Portsmouth or Rangers. Be careful what you wish for as you might get it.
If you think you could do a better job, please buy the club.
JRG
Read the first few lines and thought
"gotta be Bosco"
Piddy.
Bosco get back in your box.
RED BRANCH
Ridiculous..y do u want to play ramirez in the midfiled...play him upfront with boroni and suarez...front 3 will look awesome..
i am happy to sell caroll and downing...we get some money and buy someone with quick feet and dribbling skill..
gerrard lucas and allen/hendo/aqualini..will do good for me...
our attitude should be like this..
"..if you hit 2 goals..then we will bang 4..
for this attitude..u need quaity upfront,,
Bosco mate when we won't finish top4 next season everyone will realise how good are our owners remember 3 years without champions league
Half the people on this site are complaining that FSG won't spend money, the other half are complaining that we're reportedly spending 15 million on Allen
Red Ollie
Corvin, that midfield actually looks like it could potentially be the best in the league in 2 years time. I'm excited that we actually buy players and mold them into the team we want. 3 decent passers who all are capable of creating space and tackling. I don't think another club will have such a well rounded midfield.
Also I agree with JRG, the owners are keeping us above water at the moment. It would be stupid just to throw money at the issue when we'd be in the sh*t if it wasn't for FSG.
I trust the experts who are running our club over some suicidal 12 yr old who doesn't know what it means to support such a great club.
Where's RedTurk? I'd like to apologise for calling him the most negative, poster on this site. Bosco makes him look like Keith Chegwin on a lottery win.
Putting it frankly, you may be miserable, Bosco, but why spread your disease to everyone else?
cozinoz
Bosco. You could always choose to join the real world?
Cozinoz, perhaps he's RedBurk in disguise...double the love and all that
Milamber
25 Jul 2012 10:06:12
If a deal is almost finalised for Joe Allen, does it mean that we have to wait untill hes back from the Olympics or can we sign him straight away?
Bosco, you said a bunch of words. It was almost coherent this time. Congrats!
Coley SHA
25 Jul 2012 09:58:53
JA deal to be completed very soon. Clint Dempsey deal has fallen through. Liverpool will push for Deulofeu as Walcott and Afellay deals also look unlikely. Sissoko rumors are b*******.
5 players arriving? are u lost?..2 players max..joe allen and possible clint dempsy...OMG..are we gonna get CL next year..if not.then we will loose suarez, reina, skiertl, and agger...and wel will say..NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN CLUB...
To the 2nd poster - the comment says we'll sign 2 players...Allen and Deulofeu
Red Ollie
If we dont get CL football it will be because of those players who you say will be off as they form the back bone of the team, do they not?
KernowRed
25 Jul 2012 09:48:13
Now the plazzies are after Eddie Izzard, a wizard, and lizard. No idea why...
Ultra red
25 Jul 2012 09:41:50
Hi Eds
well the mirrior is reporting spurs have joined the race for allen they really have to get there own plans soon there like vultures.tommy Irish Red.
25 jul 2012 09:36:04
hi eds....what is the official fantasy premier league code for this site?
ynwa pirates
25 Jul 2012 09:33:39
Allen will be a Liverpool player by the end of the week for 15 million
Not sure why Dempsey signing is dragging on though
25 Jul 2012 09:30:48
Seems we're certain to sign Joe Allen. A good player who can provide us with some much needed craft in central midfield. Thing I really like about him is how quickly he moves the ball and accurately, so often since Xabi left we have been very slow in moving the ball in the central area.
My one concern is the price, £15m is a lot of money for a guy with one successful Premier League season under his belt. Cazorla for £16m anyone? Werner and FSG are all about getting value for money, I don't think £15m for Allen is!
RedSG
Common mate..if downing is 20 mill..allen is easily 15mill....get a grip...y are we not brinnging..gaston ramirez..18 mill..excellent price...good left foot excellent dribbling skills..and pace...common sign him up please...
...Or a guy with no successful premier league seasons under his belt! If you are using analogies, use someone comparable in the same league.
£15 million for Allen is a better buy than £16 million for Cazorla. Just because Cazorla is Spanish doesn't make him a better player. It is not Allens fault he is Welsh.
Kev.
At this moment, given the balance of our squad, a Cazorla type player I think would be a better use of £15m than Joe Allen.
We have so many central midfielders in our squad and we need to move some on before we bring some in. I rate Allen, I really do, I think he "could" become to us what Modric is to Spurs, the creative hub initiating and dictating the play, but we have Gerrard, Aquilani, and Adam who could also do that. For me, we need to move Adam and Aquilani on.
Cazorla for me would be a fantastic replacement of Kuyt and Maxi. He is such a clever player who would add so much creativity to our attacking play in the final 3rd, whether out wide or through the middle off a striker. Had it not been for Iniesta, I think he would have many more caps for Spain.
RedSG
Cazoroabis really really crap mate.nwhat would we want him at Liverpool FC for? Sick of the just because they are Spanish mentality
25 Jul 2012 09:26:56
Have we been scouting James Forrest of Celtic and is he in our plans for a bid as we are looking for a good winger ed's. Or has it been shelved now we have Borini who can play as attacker as well as both wings?
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.
Forest is slow and to be honest he isn't very good.
25 Jul 2012 09:17:49
Joe Allen not signing for us, we have far plenty of those, look out for a wing-back, winger and a striker. Br will promote from the academy, Sterling for loan- thats press dribble. Trust me
25 Jul 2012 09:16:50
£15m for Allan ? Don't we have Hendo is similar like Allan.
r-r
I say sell hendo
25 Jul 2012 09:13:36
Hey does anyone know what channel are we playing Roma tonight?
Cheers :)
ESPN mate at 11.30 UK time.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Espn mate at 11.30!
It's on Espn or if you join Liverpool tv online at £2.99 a month you can watch the last two friendlys on there
25 Jul 2012 09:13:12
a question for the Editors and anybody else if you know this; Liverpool has made a deal with two companies this summer. Chevrolet and Air Malaysia. altough, the figures for this deal are not disclosed, do you know what these kind of deals are worth? is it big enough to assist our transfer budget ? just noticed that Manchester has DHL on their training kit so i thought these deals gotta worth good money.
miccmak {Ed002's Note - I have explained these are partners and Liverpool have a deal with Garuda for travel and Chevrolet for vehicles. They will give them advertising and a little bit of player time in exchange.}
25 Jul 2012 09:10:33
I personally think Aquilani looks happy in training and is performing well, he fits perfectly into Rodgers plans and I don't actually see him leaving. Hope he stays.
I hope he stays as well (if he sorts out his attitude) but if we sign Allen I can't see him staying
Red Ollie
25 Jul 2012 09:06:32
I just want to put to bed all this rubbish about Suarez.
I can tell you that he is happy and comfortable in Liverpool and will not be leaving the club.
He has been offered a contract extension by the club and an increase in wages up to £80 000 a week.
We have been approached by a few clubs with Juve being the team who have pushed the most, but LFC have firmly told ALL who have asked he is not for sale.
Suarez contract runs until June 2016 and BR will extend this in an attempt to make sure he know's how much he is wanted by the club.
I used to have know one who worked at Anfield when G. Houllier was the gaffer. He does not get much info any more but still keeps in touch with the club and this is what he has been told.
LS and BR have spoken many times since he became manager and Suarez has told him he is looking forward to working with him.
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.
25 Jul 2012 08:53:10
Hi ed's i have been told by a mate who works at Anfield, that a deal to sign Allen has been agreed, with the fee being 13 .5 Millionplus add ons meaning the fee may well rise to 16.5 million. Liverpool officals are now seeking permission to meet Allen in london, from the Team GB Organisers, and Manager Stuart Pearce.
25 Jul 2012 08:45:01
Have we agreed a fee with Swansea for Joe Allen eds?
Also are we struggling to agree a fee for Dempsey?
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - Both remain in hand.}
25 Jul 2012 08:41:59
Morning eds
With regards to Allen, I'm relatively certain he'll be a Liverpool player but do you think his Olympic performances may hamper a potential deal and result in other teams approaching? Or is it more than likely a deal will be agreed first an then finalised upon the Olympics finishing? I'm just very wary now because of the Sigurdson saga
Thanx... Muller {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}
I wouldn't expect too much from the Olympic performances, pearce is a terrible manager, he won't have them playing like Allen would under Rodgers
25 Jul 2012 08:17:13
Hello Eds,
I know we have had previous interest in Victor Moses, but was wondering if this has died down. I saw alot of him last year and think he would be a decent addition to the squad, he can play both wide positions and is quick and direct(he is similar to how Valencia plays and this isnt just because he plays for Wigan). I know he isnt Gaston Rameriz or any of the other foreign names people want and I dont think he will be the best player we will ever have,but if Chelsea are interested he cant be all bad. If I was him and both Liverpool and Chelsea were in for me, purely for footballing reasons I would choose us, as I cant see him getting much playing time there! He could end up another Shaun Wright Phillips and get ruined!
I here we may be interested in Scott Sinclair, but I think Moses is a miles better player, only my opinion, and I know some people will disagree but I am looking at realistic options , not fantasy football!
John Wigan {Ed002's Note - INterest in Moses has indeed gone quiet right now. Chelsea remain interested.}
25 Jul 2012 08:12:39
Joe Allen will be named a Liverpool player in the next 48 hours. Agreed price is 15 million which in my option is way too much looks like Liverpool are paying way over the odds for average players again. When will they ever learn.
25 Jul 2012 08:06:46
Liverpool agree £13.5 million fee with Swansea for Joe Allen!
What do you guys think of the price?
Great site btw eds!
Filipo
Not bothered, not my money
25 Jul 2012 08:04:21
Liverpool bid for for joe Allen last night!
Joeyk
25 Jul 2012 07:59:26
mornin eds, the star are reportin we have made an offical 10m bid for allen but its been rejected, any true in this?? cheers
{Ed002's Note - See other responses.}
25 Jul 2012 07:57:49
is it just me or is spurs the most annoying club around. you know they wont win much but will always be there to annoy the big clubs in terms of transfers.
25 Jul 2012 07:03:19
sky reporting were closing in on a deal for allen should be completed in the next couple of weeks
any truth eds {Ed002's Note - It remains in hand. I would doubt it would complete until Team GB are out of the Olympics.}
It won't be long then Ed002
MUSHROOM {Ed002's Note - I suspect that the Allen transfer will soon be tied up.}
That wont be long then haha,
Burnsy
25 Jul 2012 06:52:08
Hi ED great work i am fan of this site and Liverpool and have been following liverpool since i have started watching football....I am from INDIA i cant make out much of what is happening with the transfer apart from linkup i have been hearing from the news and post. I am regular viewer of this site i just wanted to ask you 5 question
1) What are the relastic target for red which can push us for the top 4 spot.? I am really sorry if this has been answered before :)
2) Also i wanted to know that are we just looking for finishing at top 4 or we looking to win cup i.e. europa league, FA and legue which has the priority.
3) As far as the news paper are concern we have been linked with Joe Allen.... I have watched this guy and i was very much impressed with him. Do you see any of the midfielders leving anfield if he joins and do you see him as fit to our team.?
4) Also i am sorry but i dont know why is there so much negativity around with breden rodgers appointment or some of the target we have had signed during king kennys regime i.e.
1) Henderson (Age 22) he has had a below par season but he can certainly improve.
2) Carrol (Age 23) l would like to keep him in the squad
a) because he has had a decent 2nd half of the season and he had single handedly changed the FA cup final if it wouldnt have been for that disallowed goal.
b) plus his determination to prove his worth to the reds..
5) Also how many young player do you think will get a chance to start this season for Liverpool and how many do except to see go out for loan.?
I am really sorry if any of these are answer by you ED i just wanted to know as i am as curious as everyone of us on knowing how liverpool will do this season.. I dont have my hope high but i do except us to see finish TOP 4.... European night belong to Liverpool.. Let us support our squad and our manager in Brendon Rodger i trust my fellow koplite YNWA :)
LivBird (Priyank). {Ed002's Note - Liverpool will be, as every other team, looking to finish in the highest position that they can. Realistically I see a top four position as attainable. Clubs try to win every game - they are not going to not try in cups. There will still be more players leaving - it should be clearer next week. Players will go out on laon and that will cewretainly be something dealt with over the coming weeks. I am sure that a few younger players like Morgan and Sterling will get a chance.}
25 Jul 2012 06:52:03
what i dont get with alot of you on here is you all think we should spend a s*** load more money on lets face it greedy players that dont give a f**k about anything but them selfs. alot of you slate what was brought in last season and think they should be sold. well i look at it this way. we have a new manger with new idears and i think he can get the best out of what we have and to be fair we do have alot of good players as well we also have alot of young top players. one thing i will say is br is very good with young players. alot of you need to give the likes of downing,hendo,carroll,adam a chance and see how they get on under br way.. why do we want to go out and keep spending stupid money on players that dont give a s***. you need to understand things have changed at lfc like it or not.
25 Jul 2012 06:39:12
Saw Liverpool train at Fenway yesterday everyone stayed to sign autographs, but Carroll and Skrtel just walked of the pitch after training. Maybe signs they could be out soon?
LFCintheUSA
Really?? So we should think they are leaving??
Just slightly over analytical!
That's funny just saw a pic on daily mail of Carroll signing autographs
Pictures in the paper of the Liverpool players at Fenway and a very happy looking Andy Carroll signing shirts etc.
JRG
Maybe they needed the toilet?
Red Raw
25 Jul 2012 05:33:08
Don't kill the messenger, but stating we have just signed Joe Allen for £13.5 million¦
RyanWhittington&hisCat
25 Jul 2012 05:00:25
Gareth baled out of the Olympics due to injury, but is turning out for Spurs tonight in L.A. Wonder if he will be too injured to turn our against us in Baltimore ????
25 Jul 2012 04:40:38
Question for the ed's and anyone else who cares to chip in. whats your thoughts on R.Steerling and do you think BR will give him much if any game time this year?
I'll let you know in about 9 months mate.
MUSHROOM
25 Jul 2012 03:54:33
If we could sell Downing for 10-12m and buy Babel for 5-6m, I think we would have done ok.
Maybe put the rest toward another winger.
What you guys think.
Oh Lordy...!
here we go again
25 Jul 2012 03:46:27
I for one, am very excited to see how fenway park will look for the Roma game.
Should be interesting.
One has to applaud the groundstaff.
Nuff said
Like Chelsea played at the Yankee stadium, I expect the Fenway Park pitch to be similar to the one they played on...
Red PG
25 Jul 2012 02:05:51
Can I just say "I love BR" I think his comments on AC this evening were great. I think we saw the back end of last year and in the Euros that if AC is fit and focused he is way more than a carthorse type CF. I said last May (I'm sure the search function will back me up)that if AC gets picked to go to the Euros and plays he'll come back to us a new man. I still hope he's going to be part of BR plans as I see him being a big hit. 15 goals a season should be his target (40 for the striker group). Part of me thinks BR used the media to focus AC on staying fit and healthy during his break, and not to be falling out of bars and clubs that he did a few years ago. Just don't be surprised if BR comes back and asks the media when he was ever quoted as saying Andy was not part of his plans, while at the same time testing out the perceived market value of AC. We will see here very shortly...........
P.S Shippin up to Boston early in the morning (US time) to see the redmen then onward to Baltimore. Can't wait. YNWA.
Chi-Paul
Can't disagree with your comments, pretty shrewd of BR, certainly believable. Arrive in Boston in 28 July for 3 weeks, too late for Fenway sadly - BA charging too much to reschedule the flights in January sadly. Wil be there in spirit
25 Jul 2012 02:00:46
Just seen picture of Glenn Johnson and Borini, its obvious who ate all the pies !
25 Jul 2012 01:35:24
Did liverpools interest in elm cool when they watched his indifferent impact on a very poor Swedish team,striker aside. Or were Liverpool ever interest in the player?
We do need a Lucas understudy but perhaps he's to pricey. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were certainly interested.}
25 Jul 2012 01:24:54
ED'S anfield assylum are now reporting we have signed Joe Allen for a fee of 11m do you know if this is correct? what sort of player is Allen.
scott derby {Ed002's Note - He has not "signed" at this time.}
Latest from the KBBL-TV newsroom is that Liverpool have triggered Allen's release clause. Kent Brockman, Channel 6 News.
25 Jul 2012 01:19:38
Fee for Joe Allen agreed. 9M plus add ons
Trini_red
He is not good enough.
25 Jul 2012 01:04:26
is it true liverpool have agreed a fee with swansea for joe allen 13.5 mill ?
red richo {Ed002's Note - A deal is very much on the cards.}
25 Jul 2012 00:26:26
it was reported on that liverppol have a agreed a deal for allen for 13.5 million
any truth in this EDs?
sabe3 {Ed002's Note - A deal is very much on the cards - I am told anytime soon.}
25 Jul 2012 00:26:06
No leadership from FSG. Even less from Rodgers, he just does as he is told. No imagination, he just chases after players he knows. Full of old chat too.
He'll end up as all talk no do. FSG appear much the same.
Crisis time for Liverpool. Better sooner rather than later.
Rafa would have sorted things out. It wouldn't have been pretty, but sorted.
Go back to own team page fool
Sorry Rafa, you had your chance, now it's someone else's turn.
Thanks for popping by, but I think one of those big European teams that your agent says are always chasing you are on the phone.
JRG
Thank god you're not in charge of the club, PHEW!!
Trip trap trip trap - "who's that writing nonsense on our page?"
Away with you troll, and fester under that bridge
Ultra red
We should start by getting rid of all of fans that be would classed as deadwood. You're being linked with a move to Man City! Chelsea are in the running too.
LFC_SA
What a load of tosh you write, not even going to waste any more of my time with a proper response, but maybe time for you to find another club to follow.
awe nz
You should be more concerned with the crisis that's going on inside your head.
Cracking reply LFC_SA. sounds like a plan.
BigBadBen
At least have the bottle to put a name next time you write a load of rubbish.
Kev.
I'm not even going to boller.
derryred
25 Jul 2012 00:23:08
liverpool agree fee for joe allen 13 million,source ..nicky cheshunt red..
24 Jul 2012 23:58:48
Reading that Liverpool have agreed a four-year deal with Chevrolet, do you have any idea what the sponsorship involves or if any funds have been raised by this when we'd see them? {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath of any riches arriving.}
I would have thought it'd be the same sort of deal as the one we signed with Garuda Indonesia recently. It won't be a huge sum of money, but the more partnerships like this which LFC can develop, that money will soon add up to something fairly substantial.
RedSG {Ed002's Note - What money?}
I assume there will be an exchange of money in both the Garuda and Chevrolet deals, with them paying LFC to help with marketing their products. Chevrolet are also sponsoring the USA Tour which I assume they've again paid to do.
If I'm way off could you explain to me how these sorts of deals operate?
RedSG
24 Jul 2012 23:47:58
This is a quote from Brendan Rogers today:
"Andy is a terrific young player. I had a brief chat with all the lads and over the next couple of weeks I'll be able to speak to them with more confidence and on a one to one basis.
"There is no doubt he is a terrific talent. There has been a lot of unfair criticism aimed towards Andy.
"He is a player who can play in a number of styles and it was a wee bit unfair on him (for people) to say he couldn't fit into the way I would want to play.
"For me, your game is based on your players, the players you have. I am here to win games.
"We've got a number of very, very talented players in the group, of which Andy is one."
So if you think BR is in any way treating him unfairly then you are wrong
mike b
Sounds like he is covering himself just in-case no one wants to buy Carroll for more than £15m this summer and Liverpool are stuck with him.
Disney!
I think that's positive news but doesn't always mean that Rodgers will want to keep Carroll he maybe trying to gets some positive comments about Carroll into the media hence driving his value up.
Hey, Dismal is back. He loves our club
cozinoz
24 Jul 2012 23:33:21
When is Pepe Reina due back for pre-season training?
Cheers,
Glanton1892
August 1st.
24 Jul 2012 23:32:29
People need to chill out about William Oliveira Souza and just avoid any hype.
remember vitor flora?
Vitor flora didnt he play for accrington stanley!!
24 Jul 2012 23:25:22
Rodgers on Carroll...
He said: "Andy is a terrific young player. I had a brief chat with all the lads and over the next couple of weeks I'll be able to speak to them with more confidence and on a one to one basis.
"There is no doubt he is a terrific talent. There has been a lot of unfair criticism aimed towards Andy.
"He is a player who can play in a number of styles and it was a wee bit unfair on him (for people) to say he couldn't fit into the way I would want to play.
"For me, your game is based on your players, the players you have. I am here to win games.
"We've got a number of very, very talented players in the group, of which Andy is one."
What does everyone make of this? Just building confidence in case of no sale or...
Welll my take on it is that BR is doing exactly what he said he would do, look at ALL the players and then make a decision.
I hope Carrol is given longer.
Maz
I think he's probably just speaking his mind. I'm not so convinced that Brendan had made up his mind to sell Andy before even having him in training. I think that Brendan and club were willing to entertain offers, but I have a feeling that he was being truthful all along saying that he would wait to see the players in training before deciding who would stay and who would go.
Trying to increase the price, after the media said we wana sell because he dont suit the style, he is just stating andy can fit his style, so basically telling buying clubs even if you dont bid for him we can keep him here. RedTurk
If your selling your car? you don't mention the fact it's been nothing but a bloody nuiscance. Part of a Managers job is to be good salesman.
kidmillions
Talking him up to get more monies.
24 Jul 2012 23:18:09
i love this club but i hate readin delusional comments, lik higuain . sunny spain or dull england ? madrid higher wages or liverpool lower wages? champions league or europa league ? finishing first or eight ? brendan rodgers or jose mourinho?
Struggle for a place or play every week garenteed in a club with good history and bright future? It actually not that impossible.
Sitting on the bench or playing most weeks...
La Liga is a 2 horse race just about every year, the EPL is now at least 3, I'd say 5 (of which, Spurs aint one).
Wages, if he'd rather sit on a bench and earn a bit more - they can keep him.
CL - conceded, although I doubt it will be an issue next year.
Mourinho or Rodgers - Well Rodgers is a gent and thoroughly likeable where as Mourinho is just waiting for the United Job and I'm suprised any LFC fan would want him from the way he acted towards us in his Chelski days. Mourinho certainly has the track record but he's a total Given the resourses available at LFC this year - I'll stick with Brenden. Hopefully Higuain would have the football intelligence to see that he's not being played by Mourinho and could move to a club promising a far more attacking style of play than RM.
I'm not sure which club you love but if it is LFC, you might want to count the number of players that have moved form sunny Spain to dull England to play for us.
Maz
We'd offer him very good wages, he went to Madrid young so isn't on alonso or kaka wages and if real want to sell he might think that lfc is a good option "South American / Spanish link n all"
imagine having three of South Americas top footballers;
Lucas when fit has the Brazil no5 Jersey HANDS DOWN...
Suarez arguably the second best striker out of South America (currently) after Messi. yes better than Lavezzi and Cavani.
Gonzalo Higuain a prolific striker at Real Madrid.
Playing football or not playing football?
If thats love for liverpool i would hate to read your negative points
"I love this club...." HAHA thanks I needed that. Comedy gold
Milamber
Playing every week or being on the bench?
Red Raw
Carroll over huntelaar any day mate.
derryred
24 Jul 2012 23:14:47
Carroll out, Huntelaar in?
NY23
Just a hope...
I'm sorry but Huntelaar is brutal, as for his antics in the Euro's i dont think many clubs would want him in their squad.
Rocky
24 Jul 2012 22:49:09
Can see Allen playing for spurs
No proof or inside info just a feeling- I had the same about Sigurđsson
Bean
They have parker and now vdv wants to sttay so i think it unlikely
derryred
Oh, since you had a feeling about Sig then you must be right about Allen.
BthekingB
Spurs already have the half decent player they'll leave Allen for us
Wrong this time I think!
I wouldn't be surprised if we have some news on that later today.
Maz
I hope they do sign him he is way over rated.
Whatever
We all know what spurs are like though
Bean
24 Jul 2012 22:48:30
The loss of Silvs is just concerning. As a club we are signing way to many players for the academy. What is the point of this if are just gonna let go of them, are any of them actually going to make it? Look at Nemeth and Dalle Valle. Both two exciting prospects that we spent time and money just to let them go without giving them a chance. Our club is place were youngsters come to die.
That was the benitez effect mate.
derryred
Spearing, Kelly, Shelvey, Flanigan, Robinson, have all been given plenty of game, like most top flight cubs the majority of young players dont cut the mustard only the very best will go on to represent the first team, why hould you even make an issue out of this it's how football works, that's why we have transfers, there will always be hot prospects that dont make it, that list of players you just named goes on and on and on, undoubtedly there will be some of the really talented bunch of youngsters now who will fail to live up to their potential too, it always happens.
Gman82
Dani...stop wasting your time on here and get back to training!
We let them go because they are not good enough to cut it here! Nemeth is currently playing for a Dutch side while Della Valle has yet to break into at Fulham. Similarly, Silva was let gone for exactly the same reason. If you have seen him play you would know that he has not improved as expected and for the next reserves season, Jordan Ibe will take his place in the reserves squad.
Speaking of progress, Ed, I hear Conor Coady and Andre Wisdom have not been developing as much as they would like, and Coady could well leave this summer.
AG
And where are Nemeth and Dalla Valle now? Coming to a club like Liverpool as a youngster, you have to know that there is a possibility of failure. Our club is not a place where youngsters come to die, it is a place where talented young players come to see if they really have what it takes to make it to the top level.
Haha what a dramatic ending to your post! Unfortunately thats the way academy's work. It's just highlighted in our case because houllier let ours get to such a state of decline that rafa when reviving it had to draft in an absurd amount of youngsters. Our academy will and is about to really start churning out some youngsters. So cut being a numbskull and show some perspective. None of the kids you mentioned are stars. When they become them, then come back and moan!
CQ
Nemeth has just been released on a free by his third club in as many years.
Too much pressure gets heaped on these kids, it's no surprise that most of them, as you so eloquently put it, die.
Maradoo
Surely the fact he went to Barnsley, and there were no other clubs with a better league standing or bigger reputation means we havn't made the totally wrong decision...
Kenny Two
Far too much hype surrounds the youngsters on this site.
All young players have potential but most of them don't make it and thats a fact.
Some may not make it at one club even LFC but flourish at another.
Gerrard and Carra are the only success of the academy over the last 10 years or so and although both brilliant loyal servants for LFC a return of two players however good is not what most would have hoped for.
All the current crop of young players at the academy will not be first team players maybe one or two at best.
ITs time for more realistic expectations
I havent heard of either of the 2 you mentioned since they left. If you look at any top club and the amount of youngsters that actually make it, you will find they arent that many in comparison to how many pass through their books, you have to keep going and hope you pick up a few that develop into first teamers!
John Wigan
24 Jul 2012 22:35:12
Hi Eds
as was predicted utd have pulled outa the lucas deal only city and chelsea have the money roll on fair play rules.Tommy Irish Red. {Ed001's Note - don't be so sure, his club get a smaller cut and his agent a bigger one if the deal is done next month.}
24 Jul 2012 22:21:26
carragher seems to be in a very pissed off mood these days. Is something bothering the footballer.
Every picture i've seen of him he is laughing with the other players!
MR EM
Not sure why you think that, I'd have said the opposite.
Maz
The heart and the head wants to play but the body can't...that would piss me off too!
Carra and Brendan seem to be best mates to me.
Love the video of him signing shirts on tour and two people come wearing Man Utd and Chelsea shirts!
Proper legend regardless of what anyone else thinks of him.
JRG
24 Jul 2012 22:19:43
Channel 5 announces that 'Being Liverpool', a six-part documentary series about Liverpool Football Club, will air this autumn.
Being Liverpool, a six-part behind-the-scenes documentary series about Liverpool football club is to be broadcast as part of Channel 5's autumn programme.
The programme will give viewers unique and "unprecedented access to the club, the players and the management team" at Liverpool, according to the broadcaster.
Being Liverpool will offer an insight into the inner workings of the North-East football club, who finished 8th in the Premier League last season.
The documentary series will begin with the departure of former manager Kenny Daglish and the start of current manager Brendan Rodgers's tenure in charge
Im very disappointing that nothing has been filmed really. They should of begun from FSG take over to make it worthwhile documentary. Or they should of gone it from the time Kenny was in charge for a full season. Documentaries at the end of the season really offer no insight at all.
All the bull shine churned out in these documentaries and interviews like with John Henry early on soon become outdated rubbish. They talk of moving to pass and move football and trying to get top 4 players, they mean well and are intelligent capable people but some things are in the lap of the gods. Benitez achieved great things but luck or fate is a factor in a good or bad season last season with Suarez banned and misfit players supposedly playing pass and move all the time was tough. I think things will turn around for this great much celebrated club.
North east ! WTF
A lot was filmed during Kennys time at the club, but there's no point in the doc focussing on that time - It needs to be as present as possible to remain of interest to people who don't support Liverpool. Also worth remembering that Dalglish isn't the most engaging person when there's a camera in his face.
Maradoo
North west football club
Is liverpool not in the north west.(: )