Liverpool Banter Archive July 25 2013

25 Jul 2013 23:07:15
Hello eds, now Cardiff have had a bid of 8, 6m accepted for Capoue do you expect any other clubs to match the offer? He is a good defensive midfielder IMO.

25 Jul 2013 22:58:23
Eds. if/when Suarez goes to Arsenal. In your opinion do you see the press getting on top of Suarez. Do you believe this was really ever a problem for Suarez.
Just thinking of his original excuse and whether he/any player really holds much if any interest in what the press report, especially a foreign player caring about British press?


Feeling a bit bitter about him so sort of hoping it does affect him and press continue to highlight his negatives (caused by himself). Kind of hoping for an epic fail like Torres.
Whether Torres has the trophies he went for, he is viewed by many as a waste and a bit rubbish. Want same for Suarez.
Different story if he said from start his real reasons. {Ed030's Note - Of cause it was however it was all brought on him buy himself,I remember he said in an interview when the Evra thing got out he realized Suarez sell,He wan't all the controversy and the tabloids/press love him for it as he says Suarez sells. }

Kind of hoping for an epic fail like Torres
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hmm in the 2 years since he left ; champions league medal, a Europa medal, FA cup medal, super cup medal . yeah agree, its been a catastrophe for him.

Roy

Totally agree with Roy. Torres has shown poor form for them but he's won everything so he'll be delighted sure if he had stayed with us continuing his poor form he wouldn't have won anything in comparison

I'm pretty sure Drogba was the main reason for them trophies (except europa)

Ynwa

Well Two Dogs do you understand at all man, nobody is saying Torres is the reason but he now has all those medals since leaving us so he has been successful. He was playing poor before leaving and playing poor mostly since the only difference is now he's played poor and continuously is picking up winners medals.

Plus to add to that since he has left he has got golden boot at both euro's and confederations cup

So, if about trophies, why is Suarez Wanting to go to Arsenal? Don't get me wrong, Arsenal are a very good side but they are hardly prolific in winning things over last 8 years.

Torres may have medals in his sock drawer, but its pretty common knowledge his form has dipped since leaving, he is not rated as a top top striker like he was when at LFC.
On a personal/professional level he has failed. For £50m its an epic fail. You guys saying he is/was wroth the £50m, you'd all take him back in a heart beat.
This form, this croc he has become is the epic fail I wish for Suarez. Yeah he may pick up a FA cup medal and play 4 games (no doubt a ban included) a season in the CL. But if his goals dry up and all fans a la Torres, note him as crap signing, not worth £10m let alone £50 etc. I'll be well happy. Read the OP clearly says Torres has all the medals but is seen as crap since leaving.

25 Jul 2013 22:52:21
This is not a rumour it is just an observation.

Every successful player has ambition to play at the highest level and be challenging for top honors at the moment Liverpool isn't doing that because we are still rebuilding a team for the future, I'm just like every LFC supporter would like to see Suarez stay and provide us we those magical moment but I think for his ability he deserves to be challenging for titles and wouldn't begrudge him a move to Real Madrid but I'd hate to see him strengthening one of our main rivals for the top 4. I wonder if maybe he feels he's already talked his was out of Liverpool and made it awkward to stay, and as it seems that Arsenal are his only option he may feel he has no choice but to take it.
I'm quiet sure that Real are still interested in signing Suarez but because they know that Suarez first choice would be moving to Real Madrid and Liverpool would rather sell to Real than to any of the English team that's why Real are playing the waiting game and hoping to get him for a knock down price, so I hope this story ends soon and has a happy ending for Liverpool the last thing we need is to worry whether Suarez stays or goes rather than get our alt two or three targets signed up and getting the team ready fro the start of the season.

abbs

We don't have to sell him to anyone and I'm sure LFC would prefer to keep him if only one more season.
I agree that it is important to players to win as much as they can in a relatively short career but they are very well paid for their services even if they don't succeed they should remember they have contracts they have signed and need to honour if their signature is worth anything.

Livern01

I totally agree with this.

FowlerGod.

Liverpool can't afford to roll over and have their tummy tickled - this is our Modric moment. RM will now have to bid more than 40m if they want LS rather than hang on until late Aug hoping to get him for 30-35. Liverpool can only sell to a close PL rival for 50m. Suarez's indication he'd be willing to stay in England could still mean Chelsea or Man City get involved if Chelsea don't get Rooney and City want to replace Aguero.

25 Jul 2013 22:36:24
Hi Guys

Well well Suarez the turn coat, now as with Torres we have to come to the realization that he doesn't want to be here. So there you have it, now as with Torres we have to look to the future and forget the past so who do we all think we will get from the money?

Looking at our transfer strategy we can conclude that:

Its unlikely we will go for someone who is over the age of 26
Its unlikely we will go for an out and out striker
Its definately unlikely to go for the big one up front.

So that leaves someone who can play accross the front, who is young, who is comfortable on the ball and has pace.

My List is

Erikson
Tello
Lamela
Martinez
My Favourite Muriel but work permit a problem

What say you Ed 52 what's your thoughts on a replacement.

Evered

Yeah he doesn't play for Colombia but I no idea why we wouldn't get an exceptional talent waiver, when people have been comparing him to El Fenómeno and Di Natale says he'll be world class in a couple of years

GuvTOB

How is a 26 year old young in regards modern football? Bale, Lewandowski, Higuain, Mata, Augero, Suarez, Cavani, and Messi are all aged between 24 and 26. There are more but why bother. Coutinho, Lamela, Bernard, Oscar, Hazard, and Muriel and all 20-22.

So, someone please explain to me why it is still considered a valid stick to beat FSG with that LFC are buying players between 20-25 for the first team? Well, we also signed Toure (32) and re-signed Gerrard (33) but let's not include those for now.

SpudRed

25 Jul 2013 22:47:50
Was told an interesting 1 today in work. Barca will show interest in LS if it seems RM are about to get him. They do not want RM with LS. They "would" offer fabregas in return for him. Sounds like ballplop to me but thought i`d pass it on.

Kevo

I know this is complete BS, but what would happen to Arsenal's first refusal in this case eds? {Ed002's Note - What first refusal?}

25 Jul 2013 22:12:12
Eds, reds, what does anyone think of the likes of Robben and Schneider? I think we could do with some experience, cheap to sign although I know wages could be a problem, not sure Robben would give up CL football but Wesley might! {Ed030's Note - Wesley Snejider moved to Galatasaray last summer and is unlikely to move again. }

Didn't he move in January? Wasn't it the same time that we signed coutinho? {Ed030's Note - Yeah that's what I meant mate. }

Sneider was a class act for mourinhio at inter, would be an excellent playmaker to play i'm behind sturridge and could have an impact like gary mac did. wishfull thinking I know!

pb

24 Jul 2013 14:53:15
Can any of the ed's cheer me up and tell me we are targeting class to replace LS, slightly worried we are reportedly interested in Jorginho to replace Suarez. Everybody who has been suggested to the ed's seems to not be a target i.e Lamela or moved to a rival i.e Chadli.

LFCgreg {Ed030's Note - Jorginho would not be a replacement,Not at the moment,I hope for interest in Soldado but there is none at the moment. }

25 Jul 2013 21:55:57
Here major Liverpool fan never of this site or even that news now waiting for news watching just want to say how happy I am with sturridge dint think his attitude was good enough until now of course and coutinho who I new nothing about it just pray and hope they keep it up for many years unlike some players who do it at the start and die of we really need them two especially to keep improving come on you reds

25 Jul 2013 21:50:39
Eds,
Do you think real could sign bale because it seems if they fail they will go for Suarez. I hope Daniel levy don't sell him. {Ed052's Note - They want both}

25 Jul 2013 21:38:10
hey ed 52 u said earlier that u don't expect an out and out goal scorer to come in to replace suarez and to an extent u are happy with that but like Rodgers said we were short of goals last season like a poster said earler to if suarez goes were short of 50 goals were do we get them from aspas like I said yesterday shocking if he is the replacement but I think could be a good squad player and better then we had but is only goona get ya 12 max alberto 6 were we going to find rest? every team needs a 20 goal a season man I like sturridge but he always gets injured plus all the top teams have three or four top strikers we don't have 2 yes we may have potential for the future but we need some one now cheers
mike {Ed052's Note - I didn't say what you said I said. I don't expect a centre forward to sign. I expect a goalscoring CAM or Left wing to sign. We aren't short of goals imo. We would have outscored the league if we carried on like the second 6 months of last year. This is how I see it:
DS - 20
Aspas - 10
Coutinho - 10
Hendo - 5
gerrard - 10
Borini - 10
Downing - 5
Albeto - 5
Wingers - 15
Defenders - 10

I have underestimated there, by a bit, and look how many goals are there! 100!!]

I've stuck with borini but not sure he is capable of pulling in 10 goals. Based on his performances, not convinced me he can do it at this level

Danny

Borini 10? Where in the reserves? Downing 5? lol

Our biggest problem has always been consistency not goals, season before last we had a great defensive record and a struggled to find the net, last season we broke a goal scoring record didn't we? May have imagined that! But the defence wasnt as solid. So I think we need to find a decent balance not a 'world class striker' or What ever.
Lfcmatt

Downing 5 - behave Ed! :-)

Raoul

I personally think that we are going to see a LOT of goals from Coutinho - I expect him to be top-scorer!
Dutchmal

Ed, seriously?

Prob none of those players will score that many goals!

When was the last time we threatened from set-pieces, for our defence to get 15?! Really, we've been woeful in these situations (set pieces) for a decade at least!

We may score a few through our full-backs, and a couple of headers from corners, but 15?!

Even Stevie is pushed to get 10 if we're honest. I'd love it, but actually think he'll sit more this season, next to Lucas (in a 4-2-3-1 maybe)?

And finally, Downing, I really can't believe you think that, ed?!

'Over' estimated. are you sure?!

Honestly, not hating, but get real mate!

All right. Typically you focus on the one or two names you all hate. But, even simply removing Borini and downing altogether and taking half of Ed052 estimate on the defense contribution to goals, that still leaves the Ed's conservative estimate at 80 goals scored. And his estimates were not unreasonable.

SpudRed {Ed052's Note - 80 scored and 34-40 should mean top 4}

25 Jul 2013 21:22:28
Hi Eds, is there any real interest in Luis Miriel from Liverpool as being reported across the web, or just yet another player we are 'linked' with, without any real substance in the story

Thanks for any info you may have

MikeCass
YNWA
JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

25 Jul 2013 21:18:58
Seems to me that a host of clubs are now invoked in a game of musical 'striker' chairs, let's just hope that when the music stops we don't end up with another Carroll!

I believe the club have learnt from previous windows but time will tell as there is no doubt next seasons sucess will hinge on the mythical '20 a season man' without him how can any club compete for top four - case in point tottenham hotspur'

Why does everyone has such issue with the donkey. I still think he will come good. He is a international striker.

Gareth bale scored 21 prem league golas.

25 Jul 2013 22:31:09
You fool!

Out of the top 7 teams (rough stats, cba to dig at this time):

Man U - Van Persie 25
Man City - Aguero 15
Chelsea - Lampard 15
Arsenal - Cazorla 15
Tottenham - Bale 21
Everton - God knows? 10?
Liverpool - Suarez 23

So there you go, out of the top 4 teams, only 1 had the 20 goal man. We had the second highest scorer in the league and finished 7th.

Its no good having Suarez smashing in 23 goals a season, if everything is going through him to the extent that our second top scorer was a defensive midfielder on 10 goals (of which half came from penalties). Joint with Gerrard was Sturridge who had a better conversion rate than Suarez, and got more assists in about 1/3 of the game time.

Suarez is holding us back, because he wastes 90% of our attacks in which he touches the ball, and stops others scoring goals. Hence why our record without him is better. I really hope he goes now (preferably to Arsenal) so people can see how little we need him, and how much damage he will do to Arsenals system. Do you think Walcott, Cazorla and Podolski will score double figures in goals and assists with Suarez ahead of them?! haha don't make me laugh. Were I an Arsenal fan, I'd sooner have Giroud. I just cannot believe we turned down £40m for a player whose actual value (taking off the rose tinted glasses) is about £35m. I know he produces the odd touch of class, or magical moment, but seriously, I'd rather have a player who scores a goal every other game, than a player who scores a hattrick every 5 games. What good is it beating Wigan 4-0, when the week before we lost 2-0 to Zenit because the so called world class striker blew 5 easy chances. Its not good enough. I'd sooner win every game 1-0, than lose 50% but supplement that with the occasional drubbing of some below average side.

When we signed Suarez we were 7th. We are now 7th. Yes, he clearly improves any team. NOT.

No idea who you are last poster, but I couldn't agree more. Suarez is great for the highlight reels every 3rd game or so but very inconsistent.

RDL

Suarez is a DF who wants to leave us. No name and RDL - inconsistent? No chance lads. He was our most consistent performer last year and he was the 2nd/3rd best in the league last season.

Stop talking rubbish. He wants to leave. Get over it.

He's appallingly inconsistent in my opinion, Sean. He'll launch 20 relatively simple shots a good 20 yards over the bar then do something amazing and score from a ridiculous angle instead. He'll dribble until he runs out of space, attempt a nutmeg the defender and lose the ball 20 times a game and then every once in a while pick his head up and put in a beauty of a pass. To me, that is the definition of inconsistent.

Individually, he's an absolutely brilliant player and for me on my Xbox where I can make him do what I want he's the near perfect player. However on his own in the real world, he does whatever the FSG he wants, including not making the simple pass to open teammates and instead attempting the ridiculous so he can make the highlight reel. Or moaning at younger players because they didn't give him a pass but instead took a shot on their own. Or stomping on players who are laying on the pitch. Or not shaking hands. Or biting. Or threating to sue his club to get a move (a situation I could well see unfolding again if he doesn't get his way).

Simply put, I don't feel he's a team player at all. Again, all my opinion, you are welcome to yours and my stance has nothing to do with recent history but goes back quite some time thanks. His recent actions just reinforce and prove that correct.

Grossly exaggerating Suarez' poor finishing. His finishing improved from a measely 8% to roughly 12% or so I would guess and that's 8 shots to every goal not 20 which he was never that bad. He has never lost the ball 20 times in the one match. You make it sound like 20 terrible misses for every 1 bit of magic - that's rubbish RDL.

Everything you have said is true except grossly over exaggerated. Then your ramblings on why you basically hate him and want him to leave are perfectly understandable - this is what I can accept as an honest opinion but I'm sorry nobody can honestly call Suarez extremely inconcistent.

He's a DF who has done everything you have said but refer to these negative things about him not stuff like very inconsistent as that's just lies.

Your stats are almost correct Sean.

In his first season his conversion rate was 5% and improved to just under 12% this year which is a good improvement but still nowhere near RVP who was at just under 18%

Nevada

Mine were guessing but trying to be realistic. Cheers Nevada for confirming. I'm surprised they were that low in 11/12 but his shooting was atrocious alright then.

His finishing definitely improved alright but as you say it's well below the likes of a RVP or a Sturridge. In response to RDLs post though Suarez created a lot of his chances out of nothing where as the RVPs and Sturridges generally tend to have most of their chances created for them.

Up until Sturridge and Coutinho arriving in Jan Suarez had a serious lack of quality to pass to, hence, imo, this added to him trying to do it all himself. His options for passing to create opportunities were generally Sterling (17yrs old, 1 goal), Borinin (mostly injured and couldn't hit a barn door last season when fit), Downing (omg shoots like a little girl), and Gerrard from midfield who made less and less late runs.

25 Jul 2013 21:02:53
Liverpool are lining up Udinese youngster Luis Muriel as a replacement for Luis Suarez. The 22-year-old scored 11 goals in 22 games for the Italian club last season. Suarez seems to be moving closer to the exit door at Anfield after manager Brendan Rodgers insisted that Arsenal will have to up their bid.

Be a good move the lad is a very good player and similar in style to Suarez, he'd cost around £15M - £20M though so if you add £6M to it why not go and get Erik Lamlea instead?

25 Jul 2013 20:45:18
Well here we r 3 weeks b 4 season starts and with LS leaving with know identified replacements.everyone we ask eds about is a big fat know! BR wanted extra 20goals but we need to find 50now that he is leaving. Youngsters r good but can't fill the void left. Come on BR and IA time for your "philosophy" to work and quickly else we will be even more addrift!! {Ed052's Note - You have to give them time to replace LS. HE hasn't even gone yet}

Sure a replacement if he stays we have 6 matches with out him What's the push haha

50 goals?

Buy Eriksen, Bernard & Ince with Suarez money they will get 30 goals between them if not more, the 20 goals will com from the team/squad.

Sturridge = 20 - 25 goals
Borini = 10 goals
Aspas = 10 - 15 goals
Coutinho = 10 - 15 goals
Bernard = 10 goals
Eriksen - 10 goals
Ince = 10 goals
Gerrard = 15 - 20 goals
Henderson = 5 - 10 goals
Sterling & Ibe = 10 - 15 goals
Alberto = 5 - 10 goals
Rest of the team = 10 - 15 goals

Again Borini 10 goals? rotflmao

Sturridge 25 is optimistic at best; Borini 10 is completely unrealistic (sorry!); Coutinho 15 is too much pressure on him right now; Gerrard 15-20 - really?!; Henderson possibly 10 - no chance!; Alberto possibly 10 is both unrealistic and too much pressure on him and 10-15 from the 'rest of team' - who exactly? Lucas and our defence?

BigD - you can only play 11 players at once and even at that you won't score more goals if you play all midfielders and forwards. To hit your targets everybody would need to be starting 90% of the games.

Also Gerrard 20 goals? Henderson 5 not 5 to 10, Sterling & Ibe 5 - 10, Alberto just 5, Rest of team 5. You have hugely exaggerated

Also what's the point in getting someone like Ince - if the LW we're to sign isn't a lot lot better than Sterling & Ibe then why sign them? We have 2 good prospects already so either top class or nothing for LW.

25 Jul 2013 20:43:26
The two biggest positives I feel about this pre season are simply two players. Ibe and Wisdom. Think they have both been terrific and hopefully they will be able to capitalize on any opportunity's they may get this season. Wisdom is such a classy CB. I think we can rely on him to perform if we give him a chance. Can't waste his talent

Danny

Exactly what I've been saying we don't need any more CB'S we have:

Toure - Agger
Wisdom - Skrtel
Kelly - Coates(Jones if Coates leaves)
Sama and some more youngsters coming through.

Wisdom and Kelly are the future CB'S with McLaughlin at RB not sure about a LB

25 Jul 2013 20:29:54
Hi eds

Any truth in the Soldado rumours and do you think we could go for him if Suarez leaves? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

25 Jul 2013 20:26:28
Muriel, leandro, yilmaz, el shaarway, I'd be over the moon if we signed one of these along with either turan, eriksen alonso, maybe even Sanchez or tello, we are loosing 30 goals a season Rodgers said he wanted to add an extra 20 now were going to need an extra 50, from where?
Jeff

25 Jul 2013 20:24:59
hey guys and eds, do u's think torres will play in gerrards testimonial? They had a great relationship on the field when torres was here {Ed052's Note - no}

25 Jul 2013 20:19:54
Lads, LFC is run purely by a "moneyball" system.
At the end of the last season Brendan said he would like to add another 20 goals per season to the team. (which would land us the elusive 4th spot) Iago Aspas scored/assisted 18 goals last season and he was bought in just for that. Now if Suarez leaves we need to add 1 or 2 players who can add a goal/assist every game as like him or not he averages 0.8 goals/assists every game. There are very few players with such a high conversion rate. (Mata and Rooney come close at around 0.7)
Whatever happens rest assured the right players will be brought in and I don't think LS will be sold to Arsenal as in that case we will need to add players to score almost 2 goals/assists per game to catch up with them.
Keep the faith BR & FSG know what they are doing.

Statis-tics {Ed052's Note - How is it moneyball? That only applies to baseball. It cannot apply to football. No offence, but your making stuff up to fit your opinion. Its total rubbish}

Embarrassing

It is obviously not the only thing Ed, the style of play & how well a player fits into a system matter as well but a replacement for Suarez would be bought in to bang in those 0.8-1 goal/assist per game at least. The GK change was absolutely vital as reina's shot stopping stats were pathetic he stops only 55% of shots from inside the D whereas mig is at 75% and that's what matters as a GK

I agree with Chris in Tamworth.

There are still people out there who believe the "Moneyball" system is used by LFC.

Embarrassing indeed.

25 Jul 2013 20:11:07
Hi eds and reds,
Really sorry, promised myself wouldn't post on suarez but just want to add my two cents,

1. Suarez wants to leave for so many made up reasons buy evidently ire comes down to the fact we are not meeting his ambition, he won't be the first or last, however those defending him saying if you were in a job you couldn't move up in you would do the same are wrong.

Whatever industry you work in, if you needed to move up and couldn't in your company you would look at other options, footballers can't without the sayso of their club so straight away its not the same. If your company brought you from a decent sales man to one of the best in the world and even when you messed up you had full support from your managers and colleagues, out of respect you'd discuss it with them before going to a sales convention and pimping yourself, that's what's left the sour taste.

2. All this about can't sell him to arsenal. Why? Suarez, like torres thrived at Liverpool because the play was set up to go through them. Arsenal can't do that with suarez being banned for first six games, when suarez comes in after six game ban they have to re organise big time for suarez to be the main man, this will take time to build understanding and mat also put noses out of joint so personally, for the first season at least I think suarez going to arsenal would put them in transition for a year.

May be wrong but I think we're going in the right direction and have a lot to look forward to, would be interested to hear other eds and reds opinions on this. Cheers

And take a lot of there budget and put them under pressure to do I lot better and wait for it have the media on there back just waiting for no7 to slip up which I'm sure he will and players will try hard to wind him up
Ynwa lfc linc

What folk haven't said about the Suarez issue is this
He wants out
Because
Liverpool aren't good enough to keep a player of his standard
He is in the know and sees things from the inside and still wants out. He doesn't believe that CL is a season away so he has voted with his feet
That is the most worrying factor in this affair.

Fair enough, Welsh, but does that mean that we're in ANOTHER year of transition because we've got new signings again?

Don't really think it's as simple as that; Suarez is but one man!

However, he still might not fit their style of play?
(Or am I just clutchin' at straws there?!)

How many did Suarez miss last season and still ended up second highest scorer, oh, and while we are at it how may times was he out injured for a player with his work rate? I know he spent time out banned but Luis has the potential to be truly awesome. At the moment his ours I for one hope it stays that way. Liverpool need players of Suarez's caliber, fingers crossed although I won't hold my breath! Uglygeordiegenius

25 Jul 2013 20:09:20
Hi Eds, I have a question about our reserve team strikers if I may. My question is two-fold, Michael Owen came into the first team properly aged around 17 (if I remember rightly) and I was wondering if any of our younger forwards are looking good enough to step up regularly this season and if so, do you think they look ready to handle the physical aspects of playing reasonably often? I would appreciate your thoughts. Cheers, Bryan {Ed052's Note - Ibe}

25 Jul 2013 19:52:49
I think we don't need any more wingers, Ibe is a revelation, (if you're good enough you're old enough) Sterling is looking good too, we should play them throughout the season and bring Assaidi in when needed, they all have pace and can cause defences problems, I would like to see Assaidi play alongside Sturridge if we don't manage to buy a top striker, I think he could do a good job for us, especially if Aspas or Borrini gets injured, I know some fans don't rate him that much but Ajax did, and so do I, and what's happening with Yesil? this lad got goals coming out of his ears! he is so dangerous, I would also like to see Texeira(?) get more games, anybody else have an opinion on this?

So you are willing to put your faith in two teenagers and a winger who beats the same man seven times before ending up back where he started?

Kidder

25 Jul 2013 20:31:33
Putting a lot of budern on 17-18 years youngsters is never good thing, they need a lot of protection and smoothly introducing them, look what happen with sterling they are good prospects but that kind of work-load will ruin their career, just ask everton fans they will tell you better.

25 Jul 2013 20:39:14
I seem to remember a similar description being used for Cristiano Ronaldo when he first arrived in the country.
Not saying assaidi will be quite good, but that's a habit that can be trained/grown out.

Alvy

If we do that, then we really have a chance of 4th place, (From the bottom)

First, after watching the young wingers play in the friendlies yes I would give them plenty of game time, maybe not every game, and second, I have never ever seen Assaidi beat a defender more than once! if you can give me the times I will concede the point, but I have no recollection of him doing that!

Lmao 2nd poster

25 Jul 2013 19:34:36
Just listened to re the Suarez to madrid rumours.How reliable is the journo Graeme hunter who claims Reals main objective is Bale and if that fails only then may Suarez be targeted. {Ed002's Note - Hunter will tell you what he understands to be correct at that time - it is not a measure of reliability, it is him being honest and sharing what he understands to be correct.}

25 Jul 2013 19:33:53
I am sad at losing Suarez and the way the whole saga is unfolding, but him leaving is for the greater good of the club. When he arrived I first thought he was just an average player with potential and he showed his class as a footballer. There are new players coming in, slightly above average but loads of potential and who nows we may have already signed our new super star.
SA RED

Nobody thought Suarez was average. He was well known from Ajax. The question was if he was going to cut it in PL.
I thought he was great player with potentials to be a superstar. My biggest question as I stated above was if he would make in PL.

25 Jul 2013 20:19:28
Mate are you crazy Suarez was never pontential he was already world class and was doing wonders for Ajax and uruguay, infact at one time Benitez and Fergie were fighting for his signature but Ajax demanded 38M+ neither us or united were ready to pay that sum, after few years they sold him 22M to us because of his antics and ofcoarse Suarez pushed the deal!

25 Jul 2013 19:43:49
Just thought about something, of Real don't want Suarez (it, s not what I am thinking, don't bash my head), would any of you accept Vermaelen + 35 or 40M£ for Suarez?

25 Jul 2013 19:27:36
How long After his Dutch biting incident dibs Suarez leave. Could his bite on Ivanovitch have been premeditated? Reality Red

I though that was obvious mate, he needed an excuse.

You no what mate. It just would not surprise me at all.The person is just fit to do any thing.
BarryinLouth.

Can't believe people are only just drawing this conclusion.
There was nothing in the game between Ivanovi and Suarez, never mind the tussle for the ball.
Mate said straight away "'what do you think?" To which my reply was " he's made himself upkeep able"

Agreed with the previous poster. There was nothing to show Suarez being annoyed by Ivanovich- no arguments or anything of that sort. And when the bite happened Suarez didn't really try too hard to hurt him or anything. The whole thing was pretty surreal in my mind. I'm with the others that it was a get out of Liverpool bite, hopefully without having to request a transfer (worked at Ajax, eh?). I don't think he was expecting a 10 match ban though, probably just a few to take him to the end of the season.

Question for me is- why did/does he want out exactly? {Ed052's Note - CL, which is fair enough (well, sort of) if he had said that right at the start. Not, I can't turn down RM, the press is scary etc etc.}

Fair enough, I guess, I just don't understand all the hoopla around playing in the CL but to be fair I'm not exactly a professional footballer either so what do I know. To me it would be just more games and travel time away from home for the same pay so not sure why it's such a must have I guess.

I suppose my thought was looking back at it Suarez's attitude seemed to change a bit after Sturridge came in. Personally I'm not sure he liked being shifted wide instead of being the central striker. Just an opinion though without much of substance to back it up.

Whats he going to get at arses anyway they might get through the first stages but as for the knock out games they'll be lucky to get past the first one on past record, they sure as hell aren't going to win it!

25 Jul 2013 19:25:01
Hi EDS. The Christian Atsu rumours are starting up again. Is this an option if Suarez goes? Redman 4Life {Ed052's Note - Well, not really a replacement is he}

I thought you already said we won't be replacing Suarez. ? So why would it matter Ed. {Ed052's Note - Well, of course we will, just not directly. We will get one attacking player in at least. I've said that, weeks, probably 100 times a day. And I'm not exaggerating}

25 Jul 2013 19:08:07
The independent saying real will not sign suarez even if he begged them.

But then that would mean he would have to stay in a country whose press give's him a hard time?Oh dear me!
BarryinLouth

25 Jul 2013 18:59:51
Liverpool will place a bid for rooney when suarez goes {Ed052's Note - Or I will ban you}

Yup. £1,000, 040.

25 Jul 2013 18:56:15
Saurez
Why is everyone going on about replacing him.
Sturridge will lead the line.
Do you forget how good he was when saurez was out.
He holds it up, spins in behind and can finish.
We need to improve the overall average.
The keeper is an improvement . Not on the original Pepe but on what we've had for the last few seasons.
Ibe and Sterling look like serious first team contenders.
£45-50 million as I say will go to improve the rest of the squad.
Saurezs goals will come from all not just one.
Sturridge is a better player than we all thought.
Keep the faith

Bang on.

Agreed Pistol Pete.
People forget just how deadly Sturridge can be.
YNWA.

Spot on mate

Agreed Pete. Sturridge can score as many as Suarez with the clever players we have around him. Aspas & Borini also capable of getting as many goals as say Hernandez and Welbeck do for United. Coutinho & Gerrard will both contribute too and if we can cut out the mistakes at the back (that mean we have to score 3 to win some games) we can easily improve on last season - without LS.

100% agreed as well. Sturridge comes in, hits 10 goals and 5 assists in 13 games and says all the right things about the club yet about all I see on here is people trying to find a replacement for him whilst practically begging to keep a want away banned striker.

On that note, anyone know how to find how many shots Sturridge took last sesaon? Was curious what his shot to goal ratio looked like compared to Suarez (I imagine it's better, but not sure)? {Ed052's Note - Wasn't it 12 goals and 3 assists? sorry to be picky!}

10 and 5 in the league, at least that's what transfermarkt shows. I assume that's accurate, but it may not be. {Ed052's Note - It will be. Thanks}

So you saying keep the 50m from Suarez and put it towards the stadium renovations? ;-)

25 Jul 2013 18:50:27
Great job guys love the site.Do you think if suarez goes (which I think is likely) there would be any chance of signing rooney with the money? {Ed052's Note - no}

25 Jul 2013 18:38:32
Im not being partizan here but can any of the ED"s explain to me how Bale is 30 million pounds more expensive than suarez? I just don't see it in fact i'd say its the other way round! What are they smoking over there at the Bernabeu? Also did we come close to signing Jackson Martinez under Kenny? Keep up the good work peeps. {Ed052's Note - Its because of what Suarez does. Not scoring. But having a mid game brunch and such like doesn't do the price tag much good. Neither does having so many bans, a bad attitude, universal dislike or his attitude to the press. Yes, we did I think. Well, we wouldn't pay the full price I don't think.}

Because Tottenham value him at that that valuation.

A player is worth what his team values him at and how much the other clubs, who would like to sign that player.

PS: I am the real one Ed052 {Ed052's Note - Good}

But bale dives? {Ed052's Note - And?}

Isn't Suarez the king of diving? haha

Thanks for the briefing Ed's 052. Do you know what the Martinez fee we were quoted? Anfield (couldnt be bothered to log in) {Ed052's Note - 40m Euro, so £32m or so. Apparently they won't get that much, so maybe he will be an option. He wasn't as expensive as I'd heard}

Guess their point was Suarez doesn't? Mystifying argument for why Suarez should be worth as much as Bale.

My apologies for the ambiguity ED"s052 how much were we quoted for Jackson Martinez before he moved to Porto? I remember us being very interested under Kenny. thanks Anfield_tea_lady {Ed052's Note - It was about £7m I think}

Just on the diving matter, how many times did Suarez get booked for diving? At least he owned up to his dive against Stoke! Bale gets booked something like 5 times in a season for diving and constantly spouts rubbish about avoiding injury! He paints himself in this whiter than white light and the media lap it up like 12 year old girls at a Justin Bieber concert! RM would be mad to spend £80m on him, he's worth £30m max, I just don't get it, he's a really good player but not the best in the league. Personally I can't wait to see the back of the spoilt little brat! An no, I'm not defending Suarez I'm just speaking as I find. Suarez is a disgrace and I want him to go too, but Bale isn't the golden winged prince that people make him out to be.

Anyway, rant over

25 Jul 2013 18:27:17
My opinion, for what it's worth, it would be madness to think we don't need to replace Suarez with another striker. And it'd better be a good one too

Agree we need to spend wisely though on a proven striker like soldado.

By striker do you mean replacement for Sturridge sort of striker or just another forward? For me, a forward is paramount but not necessarily a classical striker.

You are right RDL, I stand corrected. Yes I mean another quality forward player

I completely agree Chris. It would be madness to think that we could rely on an injury prone Daniel Sturridge, an unproven Iago Aspas and an underwhelming Fabio Borini to lead the supposed challenge for a top 4 spot. I would be incredibly suprised if another striker was not brought in if/when Suarez goes, as well as a winger/no.10 too.
JFT96
Smithy

Then I suspect most would agree. Question is who? That's the one I'm struggling with a bit. I can think of a few I think would be perfect, say attacking from the left, but they're really not available. I can also conceive of some youngsters that would fit well, but that would be at the expense of Sterling/Ibe so I don't know that that makes sense either. Perhaps Turan?

By your outstanding logic we would have a squad of 48 just in case each player got injured, was unproven or was underwhelming. I thought the point was to identify talent, give them confidence, play them and let the talent out. We can't buy 22 ready-made players and stockpile younger talent by the dozen and farming them out on loan as Chelsea do. We play with one central striker so Sturridge, Aspas, Borini and Alberto are surely enough. A goalscoring CM and/or wide player is what's needed.

Kidder

Couldnt agree more, we've been too short in that department for too long. 3-4 decent strikers are a must if we want to challenge.
Soldado please for £25mill + enough left for an attacking midfielder/winger & centre back.
We were supposedly going to buy Mickey regardless of selling Suarez so funds should be available.
Here's hoping Aspas turns out to be a bargain like Michu.

For me it would be Turan however I don't think BR has him in mind unfortunately.
I think it's going to be a very big 6 months for BR

25 Jul 2013 18:27:17
My opinion, for what it's worth, it would be madness to think we don't need to replace Suarez with another striker. And it'd better be a good one too

25 Jul 2013 18:19:45
Hi Eds, if I remember rightly, didn't L FSG C have an interest in Ozil a few years back, Do you think that maybe he could be used in a Suarez deal? cheers ant {Ed052's Note - no, no}

25 Jul 2013 18:14:17
I know Eriksen name has been thrown about as a possible signing, have we looked at his team mate
Viktor Fischer. 10 goals in 23 games as attcking midfielder for Ajax and
Paulo Dybala from Palermo. only young but a Suarez/Augeiro style player. {Ed052's Note - No, and no. Just random names.}

Fischer is very good but that would send a pretty poor signal to our own young wingers in Sterling and Ibe. I'd rather have someone more established, like say Turan, who isn't really going to block their long term progress.

On that note, anyone else think Ibe and Wisdom have been standouts in the friendlies? For a couple of very young players they have fit into the side very, very nicely.

25 Jul 2013 18:02:41
Eds.looks like I was right no deals will be done whilst the lads are on tour, and is it true suerez has returned hme to talk to aresnal reddave ynwa {Ed052's Note - The tour was only 2 weeks long. SO not too much of a shock. The tour isn't the reason we've signed no one. LS is the reason}

Why is he the reason?

25 Jul 2013 17:57:09
Hey eds,

How do I post on Liverpool teams page? {Ed052's Note - Just do a normal post and I will put it there for you}

25 Jul 2013 17:45:12
We should stop talking about Suarez and start thinking, how we can replace him, we need some one to have a big impact because if we don't achieve Champions league next season then a lot of fans at anfield will start calling for Rodgers head, at the sametime he has just signed 3 years contract only 2 years are left after next seaon only 1 year will be left, owners won't mind sacking him or not extending his contract which will be sad.

25 Jul 2013 17:39:44
Philipp Hosiner not so much interested in whos after him, (heard everton and palace)

just wondering if any eds think he would be a capable forward in prem. Not many goalscoring forwards under 25 about, who would be available anyway.

the viking {Ed052's Note - What do you class by forward? Do you mean a striker or Chris in Tamworth Forward?}

25 Jul 2013 17:25:52
eds with columbia ranked third in the world would a wp for muriel be easier to obtain {Ed052's Note - No}

25 Jul 2013 17:17:24
Any chance of mark Gonzalez? {Ed052's Note - The one who used to play for us?}

25 Jul 2013 17:16:41
Probably Not Liverpoolrelated, but is Torres set to leve Chelsea any time soon? Were would he go? Or will mourinho revive his career at the bridge?

Regards.
Ole, Norway

Ask on Chelsea page.

25 Jul 2013 17:06:06
hi eds myself ashok. I am from india and I am a die hard Liverpoolfc fan. I watched the match in australia and it was shocking to see saurez attitude. I love my club more than anything in this world I wish we could have owners who don't mind 50 million as then we could have sent saurez to play with under 21s for the rest of his contract and leave him as free player nearing as a 30 year old player. this would had set an example for rest of the players who are traiters. we have to play hard ball and only sell him for min 50 million. again nothing against the player its only against attitude. may be this is the reason rogers is not buying errikson.

25 Jul 2013 17:04:22
Andre Wisdom, future LFC centre half and captain.

Thank you and good night.
Especially to our fantastic support in Asia and Australia.

The Juicer {Ed052's Note - hear hear}

He's looked very, very composed playing CB. I wonder if he's perhaps put himself into 3rd choice position above Skrtel?

Along with the mighty kelly boys

mayhem 1981

25 Jul 2013 16:55:00
Hi All,
I suspect everyone is bored reading about the D.F we call Suarez (I know I am) I can only feel for the Ed's! So to annoy the Ed's more (apologies in advance) I too will put my pennys worth in about Suarez as I have not had an opportunity to yet.

If I recall correctly Suarez's iniitial reason for wanted to leave LFC was:

- Pressures/criticism from the UK media (and NOT anything in relation to LFC)

Then the reason changed to:

- Wanting to play CL Football.

I suspect the real reason for wanting to leave LFC is bitterness as he was internally punished by LFC for biting Ivanovic. I am sure he feels hard done by in some way as LFC did not back him in the same way as with the infamous Evra chapter. His preferred destination would be Madrid, however they have not yet come forward with any bids. Therefore he heard of interest from Arsenal and reason changed to CL Football.

OF course goes without saying the guy is a disgrace and as a club we deserve better.

These are just my thoughts. Of course may have put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Look forward to your comments Ed's and fellow LFC site users.

Here's to a successful 2013/2014 season - much to be positive about despite this situation.

Cheers!
KPEE

25 Jul 2013 18:46:02
giovinco should be a decent replacement for suarez {Ed052's Note - Yes!!}

25 Jul 2013 16:37:47
Hi Eds and fellow Reds

This is not transfer related but it is something that I am concerned about. Does the size of the pitch of every stadium in the Premier League are standardised? I am saying this because Liverpool seems to struggle to explore spaces when they play at Anfield compared to The Etihad or St. James Park. I hope the Eds can put the light on this for me. Thanks

SaZLFC {Ed001's Note - yes, every Prem pitch has to be a standard size now.}

Could you tell me since when? {Ed002's Note - From last season but it is recognised that some clubs are unable to meet the regulations due to physical restrictions.}

25 Jul 2013 16:52:43
In my opinion now Real Madrid have got Higuain off the books to Napoil, it is just a matter of time before Suarez is off to Madrid.

I always thought Higuain would go to Arsenal, to fund the Suarez deal to Madrid. Looks like Arsenal are going to miss out on both players! Trouble is if Arsenal can't attract top players and they are in the champs league what chance have we got!

Really hoping our young players come on leaps and bounds this season!

Basil

25 Jul 2013 16:31:13
Liverpool owners know that Liverpool fans will be upset about the key man leaving but, they are going to prove they didn't want to sell by making an ambitious swoop for alexis sanchez, roberti soldado and c eriksen. ohh my I wish. :)

Or Lamela Soldado and Shaqiri! I wish too! :)

25 Jul 2013 16:29:05
Is mignolet better than reina? Arguably not

Is toure better than carragher? Arguably not

Alberto better than hendo/suso? Arguably not

Aspas better than suarez? don't make me laugh

1 mill spent net by fsg so far, if we get 50 mill for suarez we better have a 70-80 million pound war chest

If not we should force fsg out enough is enough just like the legend roy evans said selling our best player to real or barca we can get over but to sell him to the gunners is embarrasing!

Fsg better step wisely, they thought the reaction to not buying a carroll replacement was bad? Lol that was spilled milk compared

Hang on person.

Reina hasn't been the same for two seasons now so mignolet isn't a bad signing.

Carra retired can toure fill his boots yes.

Aspas isn't a replacement for saurez

Then saurez wants to leave so what can you do about that, if arsenal are the only team to bid for him then so be it.

FSG have supported both managers so wind your neck in.

LAVERS

Are you for real force FSG out for making the club financially stable but obviously you would want tem to spend millions and millions on players and then pay them stupid money and plunge the club into further debt, we was close to disaster under H&G for those reasons, so get a grip and back the club and its players instead of condeming them before the season has begun.

Mignolet - Reina? I would say about on par at the moment, but Reina has been looking elsewhere for a while and this loan makes sense for him at the moment, also Mignolet has bags of potential.

Toure - Carragher? I agree, but his form should pick up with more games, also the fact that we should not have had to rely on Carragher as much as we did in the last half of the season, now Kelly is back as well.

Alberto - Shelvey? That is the player he replaced and he is already looking like an improvement.

Suarez does not have a replacement in the terms that you mention, aspects of his game will be take by others (Coutinho, Sturridge) and probably done better in the end due to us playing as a team instead of a conduit for Suarez.

Suarez needs to go, he brought it all on himself and now the club is going to make the money it deserves out of his sale.

FSG have done a lot more good than the last owners, lot of "fans" quickly forget that; we are looking stronger now as a team and as a company than we have in a good few years, we should be thankful for that.

Is Mignolet better than Reina? Arguably yes
Is Toure better than Carra? Arguably yes
Is Aspas a better team player than Suarez? Definitely yes

£1m spent by FSG so far and the squad improved. If we get £50m for Suarez that will be invested to strengthen the team.
Selling Suarez to the gunners is embarrassing. for them as they will have all the baggage that comes with him to deal with.
FSG are stepping wisely, they realised what happened when a replacement for Carroll was not bought and won't be making that mistake again.

MUSHROOM

How about we go back to hicks days, runnin our club into the ground.sick of these fsg haters. Death threats to owners and their family, constant slagging them off. Do one

Why are you having ago at the Owners, since they have come in, they have improved the squad and the academy and the future looks brighter than the dark days of Hicks Gillett. I think we should show appreciation to FSG, They are doing the best for the club But it's still a business to them.

Calm yourself, we had the opportunity and squandered it. We have to pay for our own mistakes now, ibe and Stirling make me hopefull at least.

billynwa

Is Mignolet better that Reina? Yes - quite a lot (is were basing Reina on performances since Rafa left)
Is Toure better than Carragher? - On par defensively but fast and with greater experience domestically and internationally.
Is Alberto better than Hendo/Suso? Didn't think he was bought as replacement for either of these!
Is Aspas better than Suarez? - There are probably 3 other players in the world that are - good luck getting any of them!

Tell you what let's see if Hicks and gillette want to buy the club back and pay off the existing debt that FSG have been paying each year since they took over!

You have got to be a douchebag not to see that the work they are doing is positive. they actually know how too run a successful sports franchise!

Danski

It's not even the end of June . Relax . let's see how everything pans out first and then you can bit** and moan all you want if your not happy.

>Is mignolet better than reina? Arguably not

That stats say Mignolet is better. The teams hands were tied in this situation as Reina's team made it clear he was leaving (even if that fell through).

>Is toure better than carragher? Arguably not

Arguably so. What he might lack in some areas of his game compared with Carra, he gains by making fewer mistakes and being better up in the air (something we direly need after so many set piece goals conceded last season).

>Alberto better than hendo/suso? Arguably not

Alberto is better than Suso at the moment. He scores and assists way more. Henderson has nothing to do with it as he isn't leaving, nor does he play in the same position as Alberto.

>Aspas better than suarez? don't make me laugh

Nobody said he was. But Aspas is a class player which we got for a bargain price. And Aspas fits out system much more than Suarez does. When Suarez plays, the system fits around him. We need players who don't dictate the system but who are tactically dictated by the system.

>If not we should force fsg out

Good luck with that. I am comforted by the fact that I know people who say personic things like this are in the minority. FSG are interested in the future of the club and not just a quick fix that splurging all their money would do. {Ed052's Note - Why does it matter if ALberto is better than Suso or Hendo, he replaced Shelvey, so you have to compare him, to Shelvey}

Mignolet IS better than Reina.
Toure IS better than Carra (last year obv).
Alberto IS better than SHELVEY.
Aspas IS better than CARROLL.

RedKopite

Actually, I'd prefer to force you out. Chelsea is a nice club for ex-Reds. Go there.

Mignolet better than Reina? A lot of stats over last 3 years say - yes

Toure better than Carra? Well Carra only played as a regular in last 6 months of last season whereas Toure won title with City year before last and they had best defensive record - so probably - yes (he's also younger)

Alberto replaced Shelvey and I would say he's better now but it'll be really obvious how much better he is in 1/2 years time

Aspas is here to pressure Downing on the right and act as insurance for Suarez sale so he's not a direct replacement for Suarez. You also haven't seen Aspas play either presumably.

I don't think you've grasped what's going on at all.

Kidder

You are a disgrace! Would be much appreciated if you could crawl back under what ever dark rock you came from. I didn't realize that it was FSG's job to pick who we buy! And if you for one second believe that FSG have not backed the club financially then quite frankly you need to do your homework rather than making yourself look like a complete and absolute fool with an IQ of about -6. When Suarez goes people will moan for a week or two then we will have moved on it's as simple as that.

sorry for the rant but these trolls who don't sign there post really boil my piss!

Cheers

-Mignolet is improving every season, Reina is not so, good deal.
-Carragher retired so irrelevant post but Liverpool have stated that they are still looking for a CD.
-Alberto looks like he will develop into a better player to me but time will tell.
-Aspas was not bought to replace Suarez, can play in the Downing role and looks better than him.
FSG have spent money to get this club out of imminent threat of bankruptcy, they have spent money on the squad and are now developing the stadium. They were never going to be Billionaire kleptocrats throwing around ill gotten gains to show how big their cocks are.
They running the club well and I can see good signs for the future.

Erm was it not souness who said it would be an embarressment to sell suarez to arsenal? i'm pretty sure it was! and mignolet was rated as one of the best keepers in the PL last season I believe he was 3rd behind de gea and hart so I would like to know what your opinion is based on?

25 Jul 2013 18:20:02
Yes, let's force FSG out if they don't spunk £80m this window.

It's not like the club was in massive debt, in danger of going into administration, and the only other interested party was widely believed to be an utter charlatan, when they bought us.

Do you wear a red wig, nose, big shoes and do children's parties at weekends under the guise of "Coco the Clown"?

Just out of curiosity, how do you and your legions plan to force FSG out?

When you say FSG had better step wisely?why what are you going to do they own the club and instead of having a go at them we should be thankful they stepped in and rescued us from hicks gillett and parry, don't forget they gave kenny his head with transfers and look how that ended so I for one would prefer to stay on the side of caution this time last year everyone was screaming to get clint dempsey now spuds can't give him away let's conduct our business the way we used to

25 Jul 2013 16:23:05
Hi Eds, thanks for the tonnes of work you guys put just to keep us updated . A majority of us highly appreciate it .

1. Its not that were crying over Suarez, or were not in EUFA . I guess some of us just expected a bit of loyalty from the guy we bent over backwards supporting . But fine, he can leave . We loved el nino and he left, look how that turned out for him and us . If LS goes to Arsenal ill be very happy, this is football and ull see why .

2 . On the matter of signings, I really think we have done well, very well . Yes I would have loved to sign HM and Reus and Tevez, but the truth is they are not what my club needs right now . We all want a star player in our teams but sometimes you just have to bread you own thorough breads .

3. To be honest, please guys lower the top 4 expectations . Were a work in progress . i'd give away my car for us to play in eufa again, but I don't think were ready for that maybe in 2015 .

4. This is for the real supporters, like or hate players like downing, hendo, agger and gerrard . I will support them all the way, they bleed 100 % for the jersey just like I would . Get behind the team and support them no matter what, that's what it means to be a Liverpool fan, we sing ull never walk alone but some seem to never know what it means.

Agreed apart from Downing, he doesn't even sweat in his shirt let alone bleed, I'm not even sure he puts it on the right way sometimes because he doesn't seem to know how to run forward

Exactly let's just for once get behind the boys enjoy the ride and see what happens

billynwa

Tis right mate, though don't think we are as far away as that. Looking forward to the new season. If we tighten up at the back all will be fine. We score goals for fun.

Alfie

Id understand Mkhitaryan and reus, i'd love too have both myself(specially reus, I find him a really class player) but have could u want tevez?

25 Jul 2013 18:21:29
I really wonder about the Downing hate from some people.

Are they incapable of watching football matches properly or something?

I will Always expect top4 and I will be equally dissapointed each year.

25 Jul 2013 16:16:16
Suarez should have had a word with Torres, the grass is not always greener. kls

Dyo mean winning the champs league, eufa cup, challenging for the league, working under mourinho and with the likes of lampard, mata, even terry? Yea, big step down from brenda and his office jargon isn't it! Come on mate, get over torres, he realised you are a sinking ship and bailed at the right time!

You say that but Torres has won the Champions League and Europa League since leaving.

What are you on about look at what he's won since leaving! Just because he hasn't personally played very well doesn't mean he hasn't achieved loads since going. He wasn't playing well for nearly 2 years before leaving, that didn't change. He wasn't winning trophies before leaving, he has won plenty now - fair play to him that's a successful move for him personally.

Torres has won the Champions League, Europa Cup and FA Cup since joining Chelsea two and a half seasons ago. {Ed052's Note - he's played really well too, really pushed on, hsn't he...}

Actually he's been Chelsea's top scorer every year since he's bin there. Won the champions league and FA Cup
And in the CL every year! Plus being paid almost double the wages! I'm a Liverpool fan an hate Torres but don't say silly stuff {Ed052's Note - Well he does have 3 of the best playmakers in the world behind him, a million chances and about 80 games a year. Its not that hard to score 20 goals taking all that into account}

I would say at this point in time the grass is defo greener at arsenal, luis will love it there

Torres has won the Champions League and Europa League in the past 2 season and consistently finished above us. He may be disappointed in terms of personal performances, but he got exactly what he wanted by leaving, winning major honours.
Truth hurts sometimes

Unless you want to win trophies and earn lots of money that is.

25 Jul 2013 16:01:46
Hi Edds been looking on the web and noticed a few sites are saying that Suarez will sign for the gunners. Do you see this as mainly gossip or have the owners decided that 40-50 million for him will do and to take and run, if that te case would they let Rodgers have the money for new players or would he only get part of the cash? Look forward to your advice on the matter. Churchy {Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

25 Jul 2013 15:36:03
ED 052, You are just superb today.
Y don't you make a seperate Excell File of those who are supporting Countinho today. because If we fail to reach CL in two seasons and Real coms with a 50 mill offer and he hands in a TR. People would start slating him. could be intersting.
If saurez would have been an alosno, who never publically stated his desire to move to madrid, But actually he wanted. then suarez would have been the GOD of Sacrifice. {Ed052's Note - I have more pressing matters HS than an Excel file of support fro Coutinho. Like working.}

Rafa pushed him out the door by looking to sell him to fund Barry.
The situation is completely different.
Stop trying to defend Suarez. He doesn't care about you, the club or the fans and has proved it wihout a shadow of a doubt.
Daveyliver.

No one would slate Coutinho for wanting to leave for Madrid if they came knocking with a 50 million pounds offer. The reason Suarez is getting slated is because he's a donkey!

I don't know what the fuss is about, if Coutinho gives us 2 yrs and we are not progressing(Champions League) why can't he ask for a move.It is a short career football and Top player want to play at the highest level.Let's see how we get on this season some just might be surprised at how well we do.

I think the anger is not that suarez wants to move to madrid but more how he is going about to get that move, personally I don't hold much against him.
derryred

4th post is most sensibel thing I've read on hear for weeks.

25 Jul 2013 15:29:31
Fernando and Suarez. just guns for hire.

They have no loyalty and anyone who thought that, were very naive.

Moral of the story - support the club - not the players.

M

Two world class players who seen no progress within the club and left, and you're concerned about "Loyalty".

Players want to play Champions League football, if you're not in it, top world class players don't want to be at our club. Simple!

There's no Loyalty, just ambitious players who want to compete at the highest level, and Liverpool are not that at the moment.

So chant "You'll Always Walk Alone", to Suarez and all the other world class players that will come and go all you want; but it is what it is.

Why are people not concerned about world class players coming to the conclusion that Liverpool isn't all it's hyped up to be, I find this a little upsetting (That players discover this and leave us).

SR (StrabaneRed)

M, your previous post was spot on but even you know that if a club is not in (or even near) CL then that team will struggle to hold on to said player dramas or not. frustrating but always going to happen

25 Jul 2013 15:23:24
Hi Eds - is it sheer coincidence that Gervinho is looking like being sold, or could this be linked to funding another increased bid for Luis Suarez? Appreciate that transfers are not always as straightforward as that. On another note, really excited about the season ahead. New signings (in particular Mignolet and Aspas) can really help us push on I think. Have a great day. {Ed052's Note - Gervinho is off because he isn't good enough.}

Had a feeling it would be for that reason. Has'nt settled has he. Thanks Ed. {Ed052's Note - Just not good enough}

Ha ha is he one of you're fave players then Ed052? :-D
Sorry I know it's a sad man that laughs at his own jokes, but it did make me chuckle.

MUSHROOM {Ed052's Note - Gosh knows what your laughing at their fungi, you've really confused me lol}

He was excellent last season for lille.

Sorry ed052. I was having a little joke with you yesterday when you listed your fave players and I pulled you up on kuyyt? You stated not the best players but you liked them. Then with your comments on gervinho, I couldn't resist.

MUSHROOM {Ed052's Note - o}

25 Jul 2013 15:16:36
All this banter about Suarez is hysterically amusing, he is a good player of which there are thousands out there!

He will make a difference to any team but there is no I in the word team and he very much fits that bill. Suarez plays for himself and not for the good of the team, LFC will be far stronger as a unit this season, our new signings have been excellent so far and we do not need to rush out and panic buy.

Let him go and he will soon realise when it is to late the grass is not greener and he is not going to be remembered in 10 years time unlike our beloved club

50 Million thanks very much, take your baggage and poor attitude elsewhere Mr.

We can always spend a hundred million pound but with that there is guarantee the team will succeed, I was sceptical about Rodgers before he took over but his job has been impossible at times but he is getting there. Maybe we should pay Rodgers 50 M to keep hold of him a good young manager who will bring back the glory days and can make a difference to a squad of players and improve their games. Or we can buy another expensive bad apple who believes they are better than the club.

Brendan Rodgers I for one trust you win, lose or draw we are going forwards keep it up. I pray we keep you more than any player

Y and W A

25 Jul 2013 15:22:21
he is going, that's almost guaranteed.
So now his attitude stinks?. because he is going?
tom his playing style would be ood. because he is going
Then his hair style would awful because he is going.

Ed where all these fans here when he was banging in goals up and down?

Unofficial quote from Suarez "There is no I in TEAM, but there is a ME"

MUSHROOM

25 Jul 2013 15:32:50
Mushroom

I liked that. awesome buddy

Take away goals versus Norwich and his goal scoring in the league is poor.

"The grass isn't greener on the other side, and Suarez will realize this".

Aha. So when he's challenging for titles at Madrid and competing for the CL, why don't you come back and say that then?

Not to mention the salary he'll be earning that our (Stingy) owners would never even consider for a world class player in a million years.

We're losing the best player in the Premier League and our "Supporters" are glad to see the back of him.

I am deeply disgraced.

I thought we were knowledgeable fans.

"The grass isn't greener". Pffft.

We didn't make Suarez the player he is. He scored 49 goals in 48 appearances at Ajax, His ratio is less for us. He'll be world class wherever he plays and for us that won't be here next season; If you are more glad that he's leaving than disappointed then you're a mug who couldn't give a s*1t about Liverpools progression or best interests!

SR (StrabaneRed)

SR (StrabaneRed),
If the owners paid the wages you are suggesting, then you would have no club to support.
Selling a player, who in case you haven't realised doesn't want to be here, for £40m plus and re-investing that money into the team, to me, shows both progression and having the clubs best interests at heart.
If you're the definition of a knowledgeable fan, then I'm glad I am not.

MUSHROOM

Well said mushroom, amen brother!

SR mate, what have you been smoking.We all agree that Suarez is a world class player, but to say that we don't care about our progression because we are happy for him to be leaving is a bit blinkered.He has soiled the good name of Liverpool fc with his antics, made the King and the fans look stupid for supporting him time and time again.We want Liverpool to progress, of cause we do, But if you can't see that the times we played without Suarez, we played some good stuff then you are blind.Let's support Liverpool FSG C and whoever plays for them, like most of us do.Suarez is a chapter for the historians, now. He's leaving and for non football reasons I for one will be happy.

Yes Mushroom, because City and Chelsea are close to being bankrupt (Sigh).

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting we should be owned by mega rich tycoons, but FSG are indeed stingy owners looking to make a quick buck from there little cash cow.

They are unwilling to pay the price for world class and don't want players who earn 70k plus on the books.

That's all I am going to say.

SR (StrabaneRed) {Ed052's Note - Firstly, give an example of them being stringy. Secondly, show how they have made any money from the club. Thirdly, prove that they wont pay for world class talent (erm, they got LS), erm, we've signed 4 or 5 players over 70k while they have been here. Your 4 points are not only wrong, but totally opposite to what they are doing. They've spent crazily, they've lost loads, spent loads and spend on crazy wages too. Why complain?}

SR - check transfermarkt and see how many players have floated through our club in 3 years. 6 years. 9 years. You'll have forgotten some even played for. my point is that players are always transient. Not many disgrace the club regularly and only one has disgraced the club regularly, wants to leave and will generate 40-50m. For those reasons, as Duncan Banatyne might say - I want him OUT. (Thats not to say I haven't enjoyed his contribution to the club hugely - I have.And I will always like him as a footballer. But his time at our great club has come to an end, as it will for all the others at some point)

Kidder

By that description, SR, LFC is the absolute worst 'cash cow' ever. 3 years on and they've made negative quick bucks.

I really do struggle to see how people with your thought process seem to think FSG is making barrels of money from the club and instead of using it on the club are returning with it to the States stuffed in their briefcases.

25 Jul 2013 14:48:59
Liverpool tell Arsenal you can have suarez for 50 million

25 Jul 2013 14:44:11
I have a feeling that Aspas and Alberto will be a great player for us. I can see Aspas in same strides as David Silva.

Sorry mate, but I think you are being a bit naive here. Aspas is no doubt a pretty good player with a good work ethic and is a team player, but as good as silva?
More like Michu imo. The one thing I like about Aspas is he plays well as a right forward, and would compliment Sturridge nicely. He is no doubt a good addition to the squad, but no where close to being called a world class player. Its high time we stop overhyping our players and putting unrealistic expectations on their shoulders.

Optimistic

Please not like Silva. He has 1 good season and since has done nothing.

Just because he is Spanish people still think he is good, he isn't anymore.

25 Jul 2013 14:41:31
i think the reason for more money going out than coming in is because of how big our stadium is, when it gets rebuilt we will have a lot more money coming in, if suarez goes it can become the michael owen factor he left to win the champions league, the grass is not always greener on the other side,

mikey b {Ed052's Note - I was talking solely about transfers. Do you think increasing capacity will bring that more much in. It wont. The CL is the big winner}

25 Jul 2013 14:56:47
ED052, Spot on CL. yes ohh yes.
I was wondering why u ain't stressing that point.
we need CL.

Increasing the stadium size will take years to show a benefit, we'd still have to pay off the cost of expanding Anfield and the loss of capacity while the work is being done.
Peeps are completely correct in that CL football is the big winner, not least because it also boosts the cash we get from some of our sponsors.

Do you feel we can make it with the other teams spending above us? {Ed052's Note - Yep. I want to see what they do first, but Arsenal are struggling, as are Utd. And Spurs need a striker. Is just Soldado enough?}

25 Jul 2013 14:39:25
". If people start believing the press and the nonsense printed,
then Ronaldo would be with city, Monaco, PSG, Juventus, UTD, Chelsea by now.
where is he now?
he will be a Liverpool Fc player untill the day you see something officially on the site.

Today its Suarez, Tom it would be countinho, then sturridge, then Asaps.
Bottom line is pretty clear, Untill and unless we are in CL, we would loose top top players.

4 years ago people here were screaming for money to spend, and when we had the new owners and money we wasted.

Luis suarez would have been a Liverpool player for another 10 years, if we would have spend all the money on right players and would have been in CL.

Y did torres left?, why is suarez going?. Anser is simple. No CL, No titles.

Unfortunatly Now, Football club is not measured by the No of fans. If so, Mickey would have never snubbed us over Dortumand.

He didn't snub us, we couldn't sort out the ownership issues, he would of gone to us if we had.

Plymouth Red.

25 Jul 2013 15:25:46
Mickey quted : Liverpool FC have a great past and history, But I choose Dortmunad of its present and future.
I am not sure how relaible this is.

25 Jul 2013 14:36:07
Eds, a big thank you as always for your hard work. Even with all of these goofball "supporters" posting nonsense, I am still addicted to this site. I think most of the Saurez supporters and enthusiasts are missing the point of him leaving. No one can deny what an excellent footballer Saurez is. But how can this team who supported him through two messes keep him when teams are willing to offer 40m plus especially when he himself wants to go. He acts like an toddler, calling names, sulking, biting, etc. - hardly the actions of a good professional you want representing your club. Regardless on my views on him, If Liverpool are able to get 40-50m for him why can't the team be just as well off buying two replacements of 25m and 15m/10m - or even better with two quality players in instead of just him. Saurez is good but he's not the greatest footballer ever. With two great players in his place we could be just as good, and if you disagree with that - then watch more games and realize how many quality players are out there and could improve us. Say Soldado and Jorginho come in, and Cissohko on loan with the other signings we've already bought. Are we truly worse off than we are now? Of course not - in fact I'd argue that we are better. Please stop defending this guy. I have hated Torres for a long time, but Saurez's action are so much worse to me after what this club has done for him. His actions are despicable at best, you just need to come to terms with the fact that he's leaving and we will be just as good if not better after he does.

25 Jul 2013 14:42:55
Dear Mate.
We supported him because he is an outstanding player, who could make a difference to any team.
Spearing is movig to blackbrun or bolton. you wanan keep him?
paccheco. where is the lad? any idea?
Reina, 7 years with the club. any protest?

Barcelona would go for strike If they sell Messi,

Are you an Evertonian? Being that bitter about Torres ( who now has a PL, CL, FA Cup, European Super Cup, FIFA Club World Cup and Europa Cup medal ) and now Saurez - time you grew up and just realise, football is now not a sport, it's a business, players are just employees, and if they get a chance for a massive pay rise, and ambition to play at the next level - then why haven't they the right to do that.

Sorry but what players can we attract at £25m? Even if we had £100m I doubt we could attract any top quality players with the wage structure seemingly now in place.

FSG have already shown they are happy to cash in on players as and when they want. All our high earners have gone nealy. Not sure any of our signings will increase shirt sales but they should be able to make a profit on them in a few years :-)

They want young cheaper players not the stars, Kolo the exception, they want our youth system to work. All good ideas on paper but could well not work if we continue to be a selling club. {Ed052's Note - This is why we don't talk about money, because people don't seem to get it. There are plenty of 25m players we could attract. Which players have FSG 'cashed in on'. Not one, not one single player, so that's a lie. High earners going. So like Cole, and people like him. You wanted him to stay did you? Whats wrong with saving money. You want to waste money? DO you waste your own money? Like paying twice as much for insuarance even though you know you can get it cheaper. Of course not. Why does shirt sales mater? We don't get that money. Of course we want cheap players. Every bloody team wants cheap players. Why spend 10X as much if you can find a cheap player just as good. How the F are we a sellinjg club? Who have we sold to a rival that has improved them? Who? Cole to West Ham? Meireles to Chelsea? No, we are not a selling club}

25 Jul 2013 15:28:31
I am disagreeing to ED052 for the first time.
Its going to be great task to attract so called 25 mill player from a pretty decent league.
We are left with some childhood names in our squad apart from gerrard and probably agger.
Allen, hendo, asaps, downing, johnson . who?. {Ed052's Note - It doesn't matter if players are unknown. 25m players. Well, Soldado would come for example. There are plenty of others too}

Ed052 you need to take a chill pill mate or you'll be grey before your time.
Let these people spout off. They argue against everything without anything to back up their claims.
I just think they spout as they are so unhappy in their own lives, it's the only thing they now how to do.

MUSHROOM

All this talk about FSG making a prpofit - bear in mind even with the RedSox when the club has made a profit, they've never taken a dividend. They grow the asset and may make a profit when they sell, but nothing along the way. In fact they pump millions a year into us as the club is still losing a bucketload of cash each year - you only have to read the accounts to know that our finances were in a *terrible* condition after H&G did us over.
FSG are veritable angels in comparison. {Ed052's Note - They're not angels in comparison, they are just angels}

Harry,
No idea where your pacheco and spearing rant came from? Nothing to do with my post and confused as to what that has to do with why people want to Saurez to stay. As for Reina, do you hear him spouting out against the club, etc. Did he drag our reputation down by his on field antics? Wake up, Liverpool is a global corporation - you think they take that Suarez stuff lightly?

I have issues with any professional who acts like a child. You get paid a crap load of money to play a GAME for your profession! Grow up and act with some class.

You are delusional to compare Suarez with Messi. Saurez is excellent but no where near the league of Messi so maybe your right that Barca would go on strike.

And as for 25m player - weren't we very close to getting Mkithryan - sorry but there out there and this is still a huge club

Well Torres hasn't got a European super cup medal as they got battered by athletico Madrid and he hasn't got a FIFA world club cup medal either as they got beat by Corinthians unless your talking about runners up medal
Dan T

25 Jul 2013 14:24:48
There are more Liverpool fans in London than arsenal. I can imagine he would get a lot of stick if he moved there.

25 Jul 2013 14:32:21
what would arsenal do If they see fabrigas joining UTD?. Boo him?�
Thats disgusting.

You would honestly cheer for Suarez if he dons an arsenal shirt Harry?

25 Jul 2013 15:05:35
I would, unless its a Liverpool vs Arsenal game.
I have some rules in my life, I don't forget people who has given their time to us or our club whole heartedly.
I don't slate torres, because without him we would have never had an year 2007-2009.
Might be I am not the Greatest Liverpool Fan, But a true Human being who Respect others.

After all the two of the above players are going to get us some profit.

25 Jul 2013 15:12:15
But I would certainly Show my Kid of fernando torres video, goals and skills. and say. that's one of the Best CF.
he was outstainding player for us. and when he signed for Cheslea,, he became a useless traitor, who ditched us?
Common. that's Not fair.
Luis saurez came from Ajax forcing a move, Go and watch his farewell at Ajax. the fans were singing YNWA for his final match.

25 Jul 2013 14:17:57
eds u say don't blame fsg for showing lack of ambition by just giving brendan sales money. yes kd and comoli wasted money but the fact is vast majority of funds used for transfers has been through sales the net spend since they came in after sales is no wer near what top 5 are spending net. it is more brendan I feel sorry for as he is suffering from previous mistakes as he can't afford players he would likw which always makes a job doubly difficult. how much would he love that 70 m we spent on hendo downing adam and co. 70m now would proppell us close to top of league. its just brendan u fell sorry for because this guy is an amazing coach hel go far. {Ed052's Note - The vast majority of players signed have come from the owners pockets. Each summer, and Janaury, we have a net spend. More money goes out that comes in. Who do you think pays for that? And this summer, we brought before we sold, so that was money from the owners. Anyway, a flat spend is good, so why complain? Most owners would keep the money, but FSG re-invest in. Brendan has had plenty of money, and will continue to have plenty}

25 Jul 2013 14:47:28
ED052, spot on. this guy doesn't have any clue on our purchase,
If he he referring to Torres sale, then it was alos a purchased asset.
As per now, after 2 years FSG net profit is -30 mill. or may be higher {Ed052's Note - That doesn't sound right HS, I think we've lost more than that on transfers. But that is only transfers. Running the club, (buying it) debt, contract, fees, cancelling contracts, VAT and so on!}

25 Jul 2013 15:07:41
I would never tolerate someone blamming the owners off our league position.
Jesus. people have already forgotten that we have spend over 120 mill. and those money has come from owners.
look at everton. pleading for signing over 10 mill from past 10 years.

Net spent on transfers under FSG is currently 77m.
And that doesn't include agent fees, vat, etc.

SpudRed

25 Jul 2013 15:30:58
Spud Red.
thats because we sold torres for 50 mill which was not FSG purchase?

Net spend 77m over 5 transfer windows average net spend 15 million sorry not good enough. I stick by my point abd u go on like i'm only person annoyed by it but the truth is 50 percent of Liverpool agree were so far behind we've never been further

Can never blame FSG. They didn't sign: Carroll, Hendo, Allen, Borini, Downing and co at ridiculous fees. We don't have a top 4 squad, we have overpaid numerous times for average players and its not their fault. {Ed052's Note -

25 Jul 2013 14:05:39
hey eds. I was wondering, if we sell suarez and buy another attacking mid, what else is the suarez money going into? cissokho won't take up a lot of that remaining money.surely we must look to use some of the money on a top quality cb like papa.or could it be that some of the money will be used to cover the cost of toure, aspas etc. I do apprdciate their are other costs like agents fees /taxes, but I still don't understand what the rest of the suarez money will be used for. T hanks and keep up the great work. {Ed052's Note - We will look to use It for wherever else is needed, so CB as you say.}

We will have to replace Suarez too.

We have needed a top RW/RF for ages. Kuyt was never quite good enough and now we have Downing who is not top 4 quality.

Attack midfield would be his replacement a center half defensive midfield left back if the loan doesn't go true

25 Jul 2013 14:08:45
Support FSG
Support LFC
Support the manager
Support the team
Support the club.
Or
Support the russian
Support the oil barons
Support whoever is winning.
Go away and leave us real supporters to support.
1971--current supporter through thick and thin.
Robbie

Oh so if a LFC fan wants the best players at the club and is concerned that we have finished outside the champs league for the last number of seasons is not a real fan and a oil baron seeker. go away and ride your moral high horse somewhere else.

Mr No Name

I've just posted a rant along very similar lines. We're Liverpool FC not (insertplayer)FC

Spot on m8
i love lfc and no matter what or who I love the club

Amen Brother - while my support for LFC doesn't hold the mileage that yours carries, this team has found an inescapable place in my heart. As an atheist, even I have trouble understanding the love and belief I have in this club.

That being said, if the degenerate naysayers don't believe that they will never walk alone, then for LFC's sake WALK AWAY!

2006 -- current supporter through thick and thin, and beyond, through the rain.

Mr no name, we meet again :-)
There is absolutely nothing wrong with fans wanting the best players at our club, the problem is we need to be realistic.
We can also nurture our youth players into the best players too.

MUSHROOM

The best team doesn't necessarily have the best players. Winners are the teams who work best as a single unit in all areas. Remember Agincourt!

To mr no name
Look up what support means. Listen to the words of our song. Do you not understand the concept of paying only what you can afford? Let the people who know about these things continue to do their jobs, I am sure that they are more qualified than you. Don, t bother attempting to draw me into an argument over support. Been there, done it and am still doing it.
Robbie

I am fully aware and I have said nothing about paying over the odds for players. So Robbie you read back what I wrote. I said I hate people who criticize others for wanting the best. They are no longer supporters etc. Which is laughable. We all know there is top players out there and we want them at our club when it doesn't happen its easy to become frustrated and we have been frustrated the last number of years. We are realistic, we are nurturing younger players but what isn't realistic is that many of you feel it will be enough to get top 4 football. Right I know the window isn't shut yet, I am basing it on the squad at this time and it ain't good enough. Make me less of a fan for being a realist, NO CHANCE.

Mr No Name.

On another note do any of the edds know if Liverpool have to pay royalties every time they play you, ll never walk alone over the stadium sound system, I suspect they do and how much does it cost in royalties? {Ed052's Note - Probably. In the grand scale of things, almost nothing}

25 Jul 2013 14:02:17
I really fear that we will end up in the same position as we were last season that suarez will go and we will leave it too late to replace him. I trust BR and hope he and the club have a plan in place .

25 Jul 2013 13:49:40
When LFC won CL 2005, I think we did'nt have a great striker at the same quality as torres or suarez. So if we sell Suarez, I believe there's still hope that we can win something. The key is we must build a good team that all the players always play for the shirt with they heart and they best effort. So if suarez leave, don't panic. because nobody can take away our hope and our great future.

Problem is every other team around us is building we seem to stay the same and say we're building for the future and we still don't see it.

Mr No Name

I agree we didn't have a striker as good as Suarez but we had a class team. That is the key. If he is that good, let's see how good he is if plays on his own. He needs a team. A team will always beat a group of individuals

25 Jul 2013 14:46:05
we will not win anything without bringing in some quality players we are still way off and if suarez leaves that makes it even harder .he is world class and iaspas looks ok but I think unless we buy class to replace him it will be very difficult .

25 Jul 2013 14:51:27
We never had a class team. but we had one of the best nights of all time. Miracles do happen.

The best team we had was when

Gerrard - Alonso - Mash- Torres were main Strength.
Reina was rock Solid, Hypia-Caragger were Stable.

We have a good Spine, we didn't have WorldClass Full Backs / Wingers, but they did their Job.

the 4 of them were Simply the best 4 together :)

25 Jul 2013 13:38:25
sell suarez for 50 mil to arsnal then buy back torres for 15 to 20 million, also get eriksen and ryan bertrand

That sounds easy lol

I would go for that mate torres is a Liverpool type player I think that proved it when he went to chelsea he's nothing without gerrard its like toshack without keegan or rush without dalglish it just works if suarez wants to go to arsenal let the rubbish go but we need to do it now and we need a quality replacement torrres sturridge and couthino would do for me

Torres was playing absolutely rubbish when he left. If torres was worth 50m the way he was playing then Suarez is worth about 90m.

25 Jul 2013 13:28:40
Eds, do you believe that Liverpool would sell to Arsenal? Surely not as it sends out all the wrong messages to the fans as well as selling a great player to a rival for CL.

blaz {Ed052's Note - I do. Why does it send out the wrong message? If they offer a lot, that's cool, isn't it?}

There are top 4 team already and were selling our best best player to them

Of course it would send out the wrong message, and we shouldn't sell him to anyone in the Premier League. Arsenal are the only team who finished in the top 4 last season that we would have half a chance of replacing, giving them our best player as good as confirms no Champions League football for another season.
JFT96
Smithy

25 Jul 2013 14:06:17
Yes Spot On ED.
If we can't beat a team with our players, Then we shouldn't be in Top 4.

Who cares who he goes to as long as the money is right. We sold Torres to chelsea for £50m and ended up getting Suarez. If we sell Suarez to arsenal for £50m we'll just buy the next rough diamond and sell him on at some point. "Football, it's a mercenaries game"

I don't know what the "message" is. We sold Torres to Chelsea, Arsenal sold RVP to United, etc.

Too much handwringing about "messages". Keep players who want to stay, get rid of those who want to leave. Simple as that.

25 Jul 2013 13:21:24
How funny would it be if we sold Suarez to Arsenal and then still beat them for fourth? I mean low chance but it would be the best.

You forget Spurs. After Ronaldo and Messi, Bale is probably the one player clubs want most

25 Jul 2013 13:19:19
Newspaper reporting we have ended interest in Eriksen. Is this true Eds? I don't trust the daily mail but ill be glad when this saga ends almost as much as Suarez. {Ed052's Note - We've had interest, but I never saw us moving for him}

25 Jul 2013 13:12:07
It does seem that madrid are more interested in bale and want to beat you know who to his signature and this is why suarez is wanting to speak to arsenal so desperately and with huiguin going to napoli its getting a bit embarrassing for wenger he will want the suarez deal done so push for 50 million at least arsenal will pay it then let's go get soldado he will give 100 percent and knows where the net is just a little foot note seeing 95000 Liverpool fans singing YNWA was mind blowing chills all over my body come on lads top four is a real possibility YNWA

25 Jul 2013 12:57:54
Imagine Arsenals disgust as we hold them out to a deadline day transfer for Suarez then we eventually sell Suarez to Madrid. We sign replacements and they sign no backups. Here is to me wishing.

25 Jul 2013 12:54:34
Eds what happened with the whole cissokho deal, we were apparently hours from signing him on loan with a view to a permanent move the other day! Any latest on this? Thanks

hardy1892 {Ed052's Note - No latest}

25 Jul 2013 12:51:52
I've always tried to support Suarez and stand up for him in all his time at Liverpool.

I was also one of the gullible people who genuinely believed he would stay at Liverpool this Summer.

However, yesterday's display and lack of desire shown by his body language was disgusting.

We, as a club, have supported him through thick and thin and this is how he repays us.

I believe he will eventually go to Madrid (or fear the wrath of becoming the most hated player in the world if he joins Arsenal after his comments regarding the English media).

I just hope that he is forced into handing in a transfer request so that (if reports are true) he would lose any loyalty bonus he may have got.

FFS - he played 15 minutes in a pre-season friendly after coming back from a major tournament, and trained for 1 day - and with one piece of magic laid on a tap in - what did people want him to do - a lap of honour round the MCG.

25 Jul 2013 12:38:21
Thank you so much for your hard work and humour eds. Much appreciated. Anyway, what do you think the chances are of us signing Ilori and/ or Jorginho? Cheers. {Ed052's Note - Ilori, not great now. Jorginho, maybe, but I don't think so at this point in time.}

25 Jul 2013 12:32:28
Sell suarez for at least 50 mil and buy eriksen 18 mil, bernard 20 odd mil and papa 15 mil. if this happens it won't take long to forget suarez . at the end of the day we need to be able to cope without him as even if he was to stay he won't be available for the first six games anyway and a good start is imperative if we want to achieve our goals this season. suarez is indavidualy one of the best players on the planet but we defo looked good without him at the end of the season. a more fluent team with everyone playing for eachother instead of for him. a bit like when ronaldo left utd everyone thought they would go majorly down hill but they went on and won plenty with other players stepping out of his shadow. whatever happens I can't wait for the season to get started

Leon ynwa

25 Jul 2013 12:26:55
How Many fans here think Countinho would stay with us for How many years?
If we don't reach the Top 4 next seaosn and countinho has a blinder, city, chelsea, arsneal, bayern real would be on him.
If we sell Suarez, we need top top replacement to complete the Top4.

Like who? That youngfella of ac Milan would do it for me el sharraw or something

25 Jul 2013 12:21:19
Real Madrid's transfer list was as follows (order of preference): Cavani, Bale, Isco, Suarez. Zidane is still trying to push for Bale, but Perez wants Suarez. Suarez trying to use Arsenal to get Madrid to make a bid. Suarez wants madrid

25 Jul 2013 12:15:49
Everyone keeps posting about some expensive striker if Suarez leaves. I doubt even if Suarez did stay that he would be playing as the main striker.
This position will be Sturridges what ever the situation with Suarez. So to waste money on a striker is stupid when we already have cover with Borini and Aspas.
What we need is a wide man so we can have Sturridge up top with Coutinho behind, Aspas on the right and then a new player for the left. I know we have the two young lads Ibe and Sterling who I think he will gradually bring them in again and if they can provide competition for the two wide roles.

25 Jul 2013 12:21:52
Coz If sturridge do gets Injured, Suarez would lead the attack which he is best at. or he can play on the wings.

25 Jul 2013 12:53:51
Aspas is Suarez's replacement. He will be the wide right sided forward, who can cover the main striker role if necessary. Just what Suarez would've done had he decided to stay. The club have known from day 1 he was leaving. Aspas is Suarez's replacement, and Sturridge was Carrolls replacement. We have our strikers now, plus we've added back up in the form of Borini and Yesil who are both very good young forwards. People forget Borini is only 21, and Yesil 19.

We have Aspas, Downing, Sterling and Ibe to play the wide roles. Coutinho, Alberto and Texeira to play the No. 10 role. Then Sturridge, Borini and Yesil (+Aspas) to play the striker role. When Suarez leaves we will use his money to buy a better replacement for Assaidi. So I expect a top player to come in to be first choice left forward (Sanchez, Shaquiri, Lamela?). The other outcome would be Coutinho becoming first choice left Forward, and we sign a top attacking midfielder (Eriksen, Boateng?). Then I think we'll see a midfielder (looks like it will be Jorginho, but I'd love Alonso) and a left back (most likely Cissokho). If Skrtel or Agger leave expect Papadopoulos or Alderweireld. And if Coates is sold, expect Ilori (or maybe Wisdom/Kelly to be given chances there).

Stop worrying so much about Suarez leaving, his market value (or Liverpool valuation) for some reason is at least £15m more than he is worth. I'd have took £35m tbh. I can't believe anybody would pay more for an overhyped trouble maker. Once he goes, our summer will really start, and you'll see the so called first teamers Rodgers was talknig about. The squad is already stronger than last season, even if we sold Suarez and didn't buy anybody else.

Nobody said about a striker. We need though an attacking wise player who will score more than 15+ goals per season.
Can you find anyone like that on the cheap?
So we need to spend. If the owners want CL that is.

100% agree mate! no need for another forward even if Suarez leaves. Just LM and an AM would work.

If we are buying another forward than sell Borini ASAP. He his hopeless!


Bosco

Adam, are you serious?

Reina - Mignolet
Carragher - Toure
Shelvey - Alberto
Suarez - Aspas

Hardly nothing between the replacements in any of the first 3 and that leaves us "stronger" with Aspas instead of Suarez according to you. What are you smoking? {Ed052's Note - Erm, Adam is right. Migs is better than Reina. Toure the same, if not better. Alberto is certainly better, and Aspas plus 1, maybe 2 signings is certainly better than just Luis}

Ed052, plus 1 - 2 signings then I totally agree better but 0 signings then I disagree and that was what Adam said with no extra signings and Suarez going he thinks we are stronger. {Ed052's Note - Aspas is the 'replacement' for Suarez, but not, in the same breath, if you get me?}

Totally get you and that's kind of my point - there's no comparison between them in terms of quality. He'll be an improvement on Downing but he's not world class like Suarez.

My point was basically we definitely need the 1 or 2 more when Suarez goes and Adam trying to say we'd be stronger if we sold him and didn't bring anyone in is really quite stupid, imo. I tried to stay away from that word I swear!

25 Jul 2013 12:13:13
LIverpool fan for 40 yrs with all this ingnificant talk about suarez going on, which is out of control, let's spare a thought to the families of the 77 people killed in spain my second home great country and even nicer people

25 Jul 2013 12:22:26
RIP

Sad to here this RIP


Muggitzo

Great post puts everything in perspective ey. I live football as much as the next man but there are more important things happening in the world to be honest.
If he wants to go let him and get on with it.

Billynwa

Very sad. I'm in Spain at the minute and caught it on the news. Not good at all. Thoughts with the families.

Peace

Alfie

25 Jul 2013 12:10:52
Edds I'm not asking for our targets I'm just wondering if there is a striker out there who can fill Suarez boots with assist's goals and creativity. I can't think of one beyond the relms of messi Ronaldo Rooney bale. Be greatfull for a reply cheers lads adamynwa {Ed052's Note - There aren't many if any players, like LS}

25 Jul 2013 12:36:59
ED052, Being the best Suarez fan I say, yes we can replace him
Lamela or muriel and Errikson or Honda.
LW and ACM

Luis Muriel.

25 Jul 2013 11:56:26
I think we should be putting all our efforts right now into signing Bernard, he's got a great scoring record, is available for about 20m, and there's a chance he'd choose us over a CL club because of the Coutinho/Lucas influence helping him to settle in faster, we wanted Mkhitaryan for 20m so no reason we shouldn't go for this lad, but we need to get in there fast!

Red Ollie {Ed052's Note - I agree}

Im all over that like beans on toast!

I agree Red Ollie, Bernard would slot eitha on the right wing or left with Coutinho through the middle, we could then rotate Sterling & Ibe on the left if Bernard were to play right, that is a lot of pace, energy, goals, skill & assists coming from those 4/5 players, as you said £20M will do it and hopefully Lucas & Coutinho can have a word with him!

Is it true arsenal are also interested in him? {Ed002's Note - Also?}

25 Jul 2013 11:55:02
YNWA sung by Ausi Reds – Amazing
Just makes Saurez look an even Bigger Tw$t – hope he is gone by the end of the day
Never want him to been seen in a Red Shirt again
RIP96

The sad thing was that halfway through the second half we were all singing 'We want Suarez'. only for the ungrateful twerp to come on field and to show how little he cares for the support.

cozinoz

What did he do wrong? Oh wait, played 15 minutes in pre-season warm up after 1 days training and with one piece of Saurez magic conjured up a tap in second goal - but alas he forgot to do the lap of honour round the MCG, which it appears is expected of him

25 Jul 2013 11:53:13
When do we expect LS to officially leave Liverpool (a realistic timecscale)?

Just concerned any suitable replacement may already being the move.

Finally, where do you think our goals will come from next year? Well need upward of 70 for top 4 - so ir Sturbridge and continuo scored 30-32 between them, where do you think we will make up the rest?

Lamela and Sanchez would add another 30 from our forward players if we signed them!

25 Jul 2013 11:46:08
Mr.Rodgers "wishlist" and the signings that the club is still working on is:

- Kyriakos Papadopolous
- Aly Cissokho
- Kevin Gameiro

Cissokho is pretty much sealed
Gamierio is signing for Seville
Papa will stay where he is

BigD knows.

25 Jul 2013 11:29:50
Surely higuain cannot be sold without a replacement the real fans won't be happy. {Ed052's Note - Of course he can, they don't really need him. If people always got replacements before selling then no transfers would ever happen}

Benzema overtook Higuain as 1st choice striker about 18 months ago.

25 Jul 2013 11:03:10
Eds, Tried looking for this and you may have already answered, but am I right in thinking that if Suarez was to join Arsenal he would still be banned for the first 6 games? Seems everyone's overlooking this.
Cheers,

Gillinho {Ed052's Note - he would be yes}

He would be available to play LFC on the Saturday 2nd at the Emirates - at least the Emirates would have an atmosphere that day unlike most homes games!

25 Jul 2013 10:53:05
One silly arsenal fan already has a shirt with suarez 9. We must not sell to arsenal it would make us look like we have no ambition to get in to the CL. I would take 20 million and players from real.

25 Jul 2013 10:50:12
hi eds looks like suarez is leaving so have you any idea who we are looking at as a replacement
thanks
great work {Ed052's Note - I have answered so many times now! I don't know which players exactly we will look at. I expect we will look to a CAM or LM, not a striker, and have said why. I expect we will want to sort the LS situation first}

I guess the fact that Ian Ayre is on the tour with the club will also make it difficult to conclude any transfers. My view is that nothing will happen until next week when they are back home and then I expect things to start moving both on Suarez and whoever else we are going to bring in

25 Jul 2013 10:41:21
Just a thought with all this with no7 and Torres maybe we should just look at Steve g and think how very very lucky we have been and yes last two season I've seen people try write him off a bit but he has on / off field been the best rep we could ever have, he could have gone easily over the years to many a club for more ££££ but he still there chest out proud, the reason I say this is he not doing the things he used to no more as much and some times we get should stop and think so wot about this club buying this player and that player thank god for Steve g
Ynwa lfc linc

25 Jul 2013 10:31:35
Napoli sold Cavani for �64 no doubt causing Napoli's fans a great deal of stress and anxiety. Within a few weeks however they have spent �70m on Reina (loan), Albiol �12m, Callejon �10m, Mertens �9.5m and Higuain �37m. Even the dumbest amongst us can see that they are in with a fighting chance of being a better team than they were had Cavani not been sold. So long as Suarez does not go to Arsenal (our nearest rivals) I believe that there could be a similar outcome for LFC. If we sell Suarez abroad, together with the money not spent on Mickeywhasthisface, Rogers would have over £60m available to strengthen the team. If BR gets 3 quality additions in, I believe that in a few weeks time we could have the same optimism as Napoli fans now have. Reality Red

I bet you a million dollars we wouldn't bring in signing half as good as the ones Napoli have bought.

We will sign reserve kids again.

25 Jul 2013 11:01:11
The Point you are missing is.
Napoli finished 2nd, Europen proven spanish manager, CL group stage.
And with other Italian teams looking awful including Juventus. I clud see them Winning the title.
Mertens and Higuain are real quality along with callegion,

In principle its a good point but napoli do have champion s league lfcste

Callejon is their only addition that isn't good enough to start. Juve are class Harry

25 Jul 2013 10:25:51
BORED OF SUAREZ TALK he's gone can we not talk about it anymore. i'd rather talk about how amazing sterling and IBE have done so far pre-season. I also stick by what I said about Joe Allen absolutly world class player can't wait to see my fellow friend play.

Agreed
derryred

25 Jul 2013 10:23:17
hi all,
just a silly bit of useless information for you but it might cheer all you 'dont sell suarez to arsenal' doom mongers up out there a little bit! just been on paddy power to place a cheeky little bet on Mr Suarez going to Real Madrid at 2/1 and they have put a max bet of £20 on that bet. strange that when they will gladly accept £200 on arsenal as there supposedly 5/4 on favourite to sign him! me thinks the guy who could chew an apple through a letterbox will be spain bound before you can get out your jaws boxset out from underneath the stairs! shame. great player but not such a great man in my opinion! onwards and upwards reds fans. all this 50m suarez, 55m cavani, 32m huigguin cobblers just goes to show what fantastic signings we have made in couthinio and sturridge for around and about 10m each! let's hope we can continue in the same vein findind young hungry players at sensible prices! today as always is a good day to be a reds fan :o))
love and kisses, de neeeeeen x

25 Jul 2013 10:10:00
he did'nt look happy so just let him go and get on with it, it's are great club I don't think he will have the same efect as RVP did at man u. chaz.

25 Jul 2013 09:47:55
Eds, just had a thought.
You've previously stated Lamela is deemed too expensive, but if we do receive the £50 million for suarez could we reconsider? Think he would fit perfectly into a front three with sturridge and soldado/Aspas.
Lastly any interest in hamsik? BR has previously stated we are looking for an attacking midfielder, and if we paid £25m for each lamela, soldado and hamsik we would only have a net spend of £25m- our rumoured budget
Thanks in advance,
Toddythered {Ed001's Note - it is not just the price, you have to buy all of him from multiple owners, which is where it all went wrong with Mickey. We couldn't get everyone to agree to sell, so he went somewhere else that allows multiple ownership. Knowing that Southampton have already tried and, so far at least, failed to get any kind of deal done, I would say that might scupper us as well.}

Is England / UK the only place in Europe that is so strict on multi-ownership of football players?
It seems like all the other leagues are alright with it?

The Juicer {Ed002's Note - No, it is that certain countries don't have an issue - Portugal, Italy, Spain etc..}

If you don't ask you don't get. It would do no harm to enquire about Lamela. He's a top player

Sorry eds have southampton tried for Lamela or hamsik? {Ed002's Note - Manchester United were interested before he left River Plate. Manchester City have been looking at him this season and are looking for talks after putting two offers on the table. Baldini said he would like to work with him again but there is little or no chance of a move to Spurs or Southampton who both enquired. Roma has no interest in talking to them at this time and are also resisting interest from Napoli, Monaco, PSG and Southampton but both Napoli and Monaco think they may be able to attract Roma's attention with a significant bid and Roma has started to look at a player who would coming in as a replacement. An English club that were interested and stepped away because of the complex ownership & work permit issues, is again looking at the situation. None of this involves or has ever involved Liverpool. If Hamsik were to move then Manchester City, PSG and AC Milan would be the likely choices but I doubt that he will.}

What about wages. You are paying for 3 players vs 1

25 Jul 2013 10:10:58
But That would be just awesome probably the best way to replace Suarez.
Ed01, What about Muriel? {Ed001's Note - Muriel would no doubt be extremely expensive, as that is how the Pozzos run their clubs. They buy cheap and sell high. I am not sure we would be willing to match their asking price to be honest, they don't sell unless they get offered over the odds. We really shouldn't go down that route again, Carroll should be a lesson to only buy at the right price!}

No.1 choice to replace Suarez but as ed said ownership issue will be a major factor so he will probably stay at Roma.

25 Jul 2013 10:30:21
I would have personaly asked every multiple owner to get him. he is an investement for future.
Great pace, good finish, dribble, movment, techniques.
He would be our Hazzard in the making

25 Jul 2013 10:32:38
Top reply Ed and I really Understand your point, But he is worth 22 mill.
Lets keep aside his nick name ronaldo, But Muriel or Lamela would the best possible replacement for suarez. either one on the wings and countinho on the center, we would look deadly.