Liverpool Banter Archive July 25 2017

 

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25 Jul 2017 22:06:36
Hi Eds. Sky sports have the yellow ticker tape across their screen stating , source close to VVD expect him to be a Liverpool player by end of window. Has there been a break through? I so hope this happens. Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

26 Jul 2017 06:11:08
It should be referred to as a twitter tape rather than ticker tape as that is where most of their 'sources' are from.


25 Jul 2017 23:00:10
The reliable express have just stated couts has agreed personal terms with Barcelona.

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25 Jul 2017 23:13:52
So Liverpool have given permission for Barcelona to speak to couts then?


{Ed002's Note - If they have spoken with him, then yes.}

25 Jul 2017 23:19:51
Alan Partridges favourite newspaper.


25 Jul 2017 23:45:11
Ffs. Sounds like Couts is going eds doesn't it?


{Ed002's Note - I have answered this.}

26 Jul 2017 08:58:47
We spoke to vvd without permission, so how do u know Barcelona have sought permission?


25 Jul 2017 22:43:40
I really hope Henderson can stay clear of injury this season. After a lot of bad publicity that the club has gone through recently, I really feel Henderson can be the face of the team. He speaks really well in interviews, keeps out of trouble off the pitch and sounds well respected by team mates and opponents alike. I feel like Liverpool need to rebuild their image somewhat and with Henderson as captain, I feel like we are building a 'Team' we can be proud of. Hopefully the rest will follow suit. I am still proud to be a fan of this great club but just hope the current people running it do not ruin all the good work our greats did building it.

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25 Jul 2017 22:55:54
Proud to have Hendo as our Captain.
A great professional and brilliant role model for our youngsters.


25 Jul 2017 22:01:06
Liverpool's position has not changed since they issued a statement last month. We understand Van Dijk still wants to move to Liverpool. He has not gone on a Southampton training camp in France.

There is no suggestion that Liverpool have done anything wrong since they apologised and ended their interest.

Southampton's position remains that Van Dijk is not for sale but Chelsea and Manchester City are also interested.

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25 Jul 2017 22:47:18
Copied from sources from sky 😂😂😂.


25 Jul 2017 21:09:38
Since FSG took over, they have been saying that they can compete with other clubs for the best players. And Klopp has said that 'big numbers' don't put Liverpool off. But, actions speak louder than words. We ARE NOT able to compete.
Speaking of competitiveness in the market, I can never see Mourinho or Guardiola managing LFC because they like to buy top players, which requires a lot of money.

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25 Jul 2017 22:40:44
Have to reply to this.
How can we not compete? Have we not bid 60 plus million for Keita? It's not the money it's the fact rbl aren't wanting to sell. Just paid over 30 million for Salah, WAS trying for a 60 plus million defender, again not money buy stupidity.
You really should check your facts before posting dribble about not competing financially. Not many teams spent more over the years since fsg than us.


25 Jul 2017 22:47:33
If we went about business in the right way we would have had 2 of our top targets already in Sessegnon and VVD. so i dnt think your right about that at all. especially hearing the numbers being thrown around that we were or are willing to pay for VVD and Keita.


25 Jul 2017 22:50:37
Nothing wrong with the owners and the money they invest. 30 odd mil on salah, 10 on Robertson. And didn't we have 50 odd turned down for Keita? Such a pointless post.


25 Jul 2017 22:57:05
Lifelongred, beat me to it.


25 Jul 2017 23:16:44
Maybe we're spending the Coutinho money?

You never know kids.


25 Jul 2017 23:21:50
The sessagnon problem is historical. It has nothing to do with Klopp.


25 Jul 2017 23:35:14
Since 1992 LFC has been the 4th highest spender in the EPL, with only three 2nd places to show for it. So, regardless of owners, the club is definitely up there in spending. Since FSG bought the club, we are the 5th highest spenders in the EPL, so once again still up there in spending. How can you possibly blame the owners, when it's everything else, aside from spending, that is not being gotten right? How can you make huge profits on sales such as Suarez, Torres and Sterling and then not be able to re-invest to improve? It's not the owners who pick the players to be bought as replacements, is it? It's the people who make the other decisions that have let the team and the fans down. So, give the owners a break.

You can admire ManC for their spending power all you want (they are tops of the list since 1992), but i'd rather look at Spurs and what they have done in the last 5 years. A total net spend of only a couple of million, a young progressive manager and an equally young, performing team that is always a threat in the top four. That's an example of how to get it right.


25 Jul 2017 23:47:11
Spurs blew the bale money.


26 Jul 2017 00:20:07
And what has spurs won?

Think as owner roman abramovic is best example to follow.

bought Chelsea who were average, spent lots of his money to bring success, then he cashed on Chelsea's success where he could attract massive sponsors etc

After few seasons turned them into business model where they can be self sufficient, and mind you they're 1 of the most successful club in England this decade.

read some where this season they've received over 100M from selling their academy players.


{Ed002's Note - They weren't that average when he purchased them - they had just beaten LFC to the Champions League.}

26 Jul 2017 00:43:04
Come on ED2 average was a compliment.

How many league titles or CL trophies had Chelsea won before Roman arrived? 😂😂.


{Ed002's Note - I think everyone accepts Liverpool have won a lot of trophies, but it was a while back.}

25 Jul 2017 21:13:09
This window is going from brilliant and exciting, to pathetic and humiliatiling. Then it got promising and hopefull and now frustrating and could end as the the worst in my time as a supporter.

I don't get how the other top clubs in the PRL wraps up one top signing after the other. Salah was a good signing, but what about all the talk about "now we are in the CL", "talks are going good", "we got money to spend". What are the club doing wrong?

Not only can't they manage to strenghten the squad so we can challenge for the title and do a job in the CL, but now we seem to be selling our best players as well without any backup plan. I know some ask if we don't remember how good we were last year without the injuries. Yes. But what if we get injuries again this year, we still lag the width. I also remember how frustating bad we were against lower ranked teams, because of mediocre quality in midfield and defence. I love every player in our squad, but there are better players out there, and I rather win some trophies than being romantic about our players. IMO every player except Coutinho and Mané can be scraped for something better.

To me Virgil and Keita would be ideal signings and walk straight into the starter. Gutted to realise we might not get them, and maybe even loose some class instead. What's going on behind the scenes?

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25 Jul 2017 22:00:24
Let's all panic because of rumours in the paper.
We're selling out best players now?
No wonder the Eds get frustrated with some of the crap on here.


25 Jul 2017 22:04:49
Calm down mate, the club royaley messed up the vvd opportunity and rbl don't have any to sell Keïta which is their prerogative! There is still 5 weeks of the window to go and there are more than 2 quality players on the planet and I am sure jk has others in mind? And, even if we don't manage to add to the squad we have a decent squad already and with a little bit more luck with injuries who is to say we can't improve on last season? Just keep the faith and be patient mate.


25 Jul 2017 22:32:41
Klopps big mouth that's what wrong.


25 Jul 2017 22:46:18
Can you all stop bitching till the window closes? Then when it does novel idea, support the team.
Matt in FL.


25 Jul 2017 22:51:10
Smedegard
Have you been living under a rock? What's going on? Really?
A round up then
1. We spoke to vvd without permission from Southampton. We issued embarrassing apology, withdrew our interest, some still believe this could happen.
2. We signed Salah for 30 plus million (looks really good)
3. We signed a left back looks promising
4. We reportedly tapped up Keita, have bid twice and twice been rejected as rbl do not want to sell. Some believe a third bid coming.
5. We have reportedly turned down an offer for coutinho.
6. Can has not yet signed a new contract, had choices to make, he could leave ( mistake if you ask me)

All this and more has been spoken about too many times to count on here and in the press.
But I understand the panic because Liverpool haven't gone out and panic bought every player going to appease the fans, it's not like we have any decent young players who need a chance, plus we any players we do buy won't mean selling players to make room Liverpool are allowed a bigger squad so it's ok.
Get a grip will ya, we should only be buying players we need and will make an instant impact otherwise we should wait.

Sorry but why are people crying about every rumour.


25 Jul 2017 23:35:41
Can't see Coutinho moving this window unless its over 100 million pounds but if keita is in the works and Can is receiving a decent bid from juventus then it's best for all parties even at a lower fee as we risk losing him on a free. If keita isn't coming, we can't afford to lose Can but you can't mess around with cans contract as he is a very talented player who deserves a bigger contract than he is on and will soon grow frustrated if seen as third or fourth option at liverpool with a team at the topoint of Italy asking for his services. Personally hope everyone stays and VVD and Keita so get in and I will continue to do so until the end of the window!


25 Jul 2017 20:46:21
Here's a statement to get everyone going - I think if Emre Can stays, regains full fitness and continues his development in the way he showed at the end of last season, I see him as a future LFC captain. I sincerely hope he stays!

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25 Jul 2017 21:14:17
Agreed, I'm going to get shot down here but in terms of moving forward I would rather he started than Hendo and I really rate Hendo but Can has an excellent balance of power, skill and technique rare for someone of his build.


25 Jul 2017 21:23:14
I think he will be a good solid player but he is not special. He definitely believes he is better than he is. Just my observation there. Anyway I would like to keep him, but would take a handsome fee for him because he is replaceable.


25 Jul 2017 21:23:40
When I read the first sentence (Here's a statement to get everyone going) I got super excited expecting some factual news only for it to be followed by "I think if" and that's where I stopped reading.


25 Jul 2017 21:34:19
Agreed.


25 Jul 2017 21:41:50
I don't think he's got the footballing brain to be a top top player.


25 Jul 2017 21:49:11
I said this on another LFC site when he first started playing with us, I don't know what it is but he has that spark, I think he is a natural born leader. He will turn out to be a fantastic footballer and people are just far too quick to jump to conclusions forgetting he is such a young man and he will take time to catch up with his growth, if ya know what I mean. He is one player we will look back at and really regret selling.
I had a bet two years ago that by 28 he will be captain of Germany. £50 @ 40-1 easy peasy :)


25 Jul 2017 22:10:35
He doesn't start above Hendo let's get that straight but he can line up alongside him no problem. The amount of games we could potentially have (I mean when we reach every final) then we are going to need a strong squad.


25 Jul 2017 22:52:00
It's been said many times here, in the past, that Can shows clear leadership skills and I've always agreed with it. He plays the holding midfielder role well, and the box to box also. Fierce in the tackle, and always wiling to do the dirty work.

I just think that there's a double standard on here, as with many other things. People excuse Henderson for a poor season due to his injuries, but refuse to grant Can the same consideration and judge him far more harshly. Yes, Henderson is the better player, but then shouldn't he be with his longer experience with the team and in football? Give Can the benefit of the doubt. (And Grujic is nowhere near Can's level, so thinking he can walk into Can's position is wishful thinking) .


25 Jul 2017 22:54:45
Not a chance. His lack of game intelligence is astounding.


25 Jul 2017 23:44:08
He's 23. Give the fella a break. He's got something there, maybe he doesn't show it consistently but he's got quality and will get better. How many people wanted Hendo gone when Fulham bid for him? And now he's the first name on the team sheet when fit. how many other players on here get bashed prematurely? I remember people on here saying Suarez couldn't finish, that Mane and Gino weren't what we needed, or Coutinho isn't consistent but then whinge when other teams show interest. Get a grip.


25 Jul 2017 23:56:46
Yup. Cans lack of game intelligence? .

Them fellas at Juventus don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to judging players.

FFS.


25 Jul 2017 19:54:49
Hey eds it's very much silly season at its fully upon us at the minute and I sense we are 1 big move away from a chain of moves but I was wondering with neymar potentially going to psg how does this affect coutinho as he has had his agent and neymar basically facilitate a move to Barcelona (potentially) would this put coutinho off if neymar moved to psg or is it his wish to play for Barcelona or more to play with his best mate .

A random question but would love you guys to put your opinion on this matter

Thanks dhfc.

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{Ed002's Note - It makes zero difference. Pipco is now allowed to cross the road on his own.}

25 Jul 2017 21:01:19
I guess Barcelona would be more attractive with Neymar there considering they are friends.


25 Jul 2017 21:41:25
from what I read, neymar has a list of players he wants psg to sign if he does end up going there. coutinho is 1 of them.


25 Jul 2017 19:46:21
Other Posts maybe?!
Eds, off a bit here, but do you guys edit reply to manage the discussion or is a timeline ting?
Keep it up and thanks btw😎.

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{Ed002's Note - And in English?}

25 Jul 2017 21:19:51
You know Ed - tha ting in it.


26 Jul 2017 00:12:03
It's hard to always keep tha ting up.


25 Jul 2017 19:35:31
Most likely speculation but anything in the Gabigol from inter rumour, i just wanted to mention a different player other then the same 2 names, and as always thanks for your dedication to the site it great to have this place.

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{Ed002's Note - This has to be Twitter?}

25 Jul 2017 19:50:02
Yeah im away on my hols trying to get some lfc news but dominican republic internet isn't user freindly at all thanks for the reply eds you guys are amazing.


25 Jul 2017 19:34:43
Hi Ed's
Hope all is well?

Ignoring the usual VVD and Keita fiasco.

What is really going on with Emre Can's contract situation? This has been ongoing for some time and it appears that we are going to lose him.

We seem to be linked with more people going out than coming in these days, so I thought it would be in Liverpool's best interest to keep core players in the team.

Juventus seem set on having him which speaks volumes.

Is he on the way out?

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{Ed002's Note - He has not agreed or signed a new deal and is looking at his options.}

25 Jul 2017 20:10:59
Good for him and the club. Right way to go.

Cheers.


25 Jul 2017 20:01:37
Reports stating he's about to sign new deal and stay with us.


25 Jul 2017 19:31:33
Is anyone sick of this sh*ep storm of a window? First VVD looks nailed onto sign then we find LFC are doing it as dodgy as possible, then naby looks certain to become our number one target only for RBL to turn around we won't sell at any price, Then Barcelona come sniffing and waving there nobs about looking for little Phil to fill the gap for a certain someone who has been begging for him to come and join him for the past god knows how many transfer windows and decided he can't be arsed playing second fiddle to the best player in the world, in my eyes neymar isn't fit to lace messi boots, then on top of that it sounds like emre has decided he wants to go to juventus. this window absaloutly blows and i can't wait for it to be September the 1st hoping we still have two of our best players last season at the club with the two targets we where looking for in the first place!

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25 Jul 2017 21:56:17
Fair enough VVD was a shambles. We're also going for Keita, a position many don't see as critical to fill, but would be a great signing. Other clubs interested in Phil, or course they are, so what? Can may leave, not really going to lose any sleep over it, is hit and miss and I think Grujic can step into the role.

You also seem to forget we have signed Salah, seems to have already hit the ground running, Robertson, who I personally believe may prove to be a shrewd piece of business, and Solanke, who knows how brilliant or not so that may turn out to be? Oh, and what date is it?


25 Jul 2017 19:21:50
Hello everyone, I'm bored of all the transfer talk now. Is anyone going to Dublin for the pre season game?

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25 Jul 2017 19:21:05
I'm surprised at the possibility that Can may want out. I hope he thinks carefully. He has the ability to be a regular for us. He could be huge for us this year.
Again I believe we need to keep Coutinho. We need him to pick out our quick players with his passes from deep. This will be the difference with Liverpool this year. We couldn't j lock defences.

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25 Jul 2017 18:55:27
Hi eds if we do end up selling coutinho for the reported fee would the owners then reinvest the money into the squad. thanks for all your help and information during this window. the best place to come for proper information. I would personally be lost without it.

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{Ed002's Note - It doesn't really work as simply as that - and my understanding is that Barcelona would like to include a player or two as part of the deal.}

25 Jul 2017 19:16:54
Ummm Messi and Suarez.? Nah, keep Phil all day. 😊.


25 Jul 2017 19:17:06
Ed your knowledge is always appreciated.
But this spells disaster I don't want any of that squad unless it's messi Suarez or neymar.


{Ed002's Note - This is no different that Liverpool looking to offload their fringe players.}

25 Jul 2017 19:24:55
Hmm let's see. i don't think we need any of their fringe players to be honest. so no for me. who would you accept from their fringe players ed001?


{Ed001's Note - none.}

25 Jul 2017 19:22:09
Can you name the players they have put forward ed002?


{Ed002's Note - They have a number of players they would make available.}

25 Jul 2017 19:25:10
I guess that the difference is that a fringe player at Barcelona, is a starter in a lot of other sides. Really would'nt take that many of their fringe players, and especially not for Coutinho, but do you have any idea whom could be included?


{Ed002's Note - They have several available.}

25 Jul 2017 19:33:57
Any idea who they offering ed002? I read rafinha and turan being mentioned?


25 Jul 2017 19:48:31
I would die laughing if Arda Turan finally made his way to anfield!


25 Jul 2017 20:03:37
If it was Madrid I'd be asking for Isco.


25 Jul 2017 20:12:43
That would be super duper if Arda makes it here. Just for fun.

Cheers.


25 Jul 2017 20:23:39
Bet Rafinha is one them offered.


{Ed002's Note - Yes he is one of those available.}

25 Jul 2017 20:36:11
If we were stupid enough to accept Rafinha I would well and truly be done with football.


25 Jul 2017 20:51:59
Ah ed I think you could do better then just the one name of the several that are being offered/ avalible.
Please give us a couple more, or do we to play the guessing game😉.
Thanks for any info.

Magsy.


26 Jul 2017 12:18:44
Rafinha and Andre Gomes by any chance?


25 Jul 2017 18:26:25
Hi ed.

I must admit. I am really concerned now. Possibly lose countinho and Can. what's going ed. Your thought please.

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{Ed002's Note - Other clubs are interested in Liverpool players the same as Liverpool are interest in players from elsewhere - business as usual.}

25 Jul 2017 18:54:05
Do you think, can will extend his stay with us.


{Ed002's Note - I think he wants to see his options.}

25 Jul 2017 18:58:46
Thanks ed.

And countinho.


25 Jul 2017 16:23:20
Just a quick question for the Eds regarding our player transfer negotiatiors. I was wondering if we are in London dealing with Barcelona as reported, would this hold up our attempts at signing players or do football clubs employ several people with the responsibility of pushing these deals forward? I remember when Ian Ayre was heading up our transfers it was always supposedly him doing the negotiating.

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{Ed002's Note - It on't hold up anything.}

25 Jul 2017 17:52:37
Coutinhos a goner. I can't see him staying however he may on the off chance Barcelona don't massively pay up. Especially given what pogbas gone for and the prices this transfer market.
It will be a heavy blow. We needed a top class left back this summer and we signed Robertson. Also Losing our best player IMO never mind who else comes in will be massively disappointing.
I hope the little magician stays for another season.

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25 Jul 2017 18:19:33
Negativity.

Robertson is an improvement on what we had last season. He will turn out to be the signing of the season mark my words.


25 Jul 2017 18:22:08
Been offline all day
Have Utd sold Pogba?


25 Jul 2017 18:40:34
Agree with that Ron.


25 Jul 2017 18:42:14
Given how badly our play slowed down whenever it went to the fullback areas (Milner being on his wrong side and Clyne forgetting how to be a footballer) last season, particularly from January on, I honestly think Robertson at left back and TAA or Milner at right back has the potential to improve our side more than any other change we could've made, whether Robertson is "top class" or not.

He just needs to be a solid Premier League fullback who can use the ball intelligently and be better defensively than Moreno. I'm fairly sure he is that, but then again I expected similar from Clyne and he delivered it for about the first two months of his Liverpool career and then went backwards.

As for Coutinho, the only reason we still have him is that a club with the financial clout and regular European football haven't made a serious attempt to sign him yet. He's too good to be out of the Champions League for as long as he has been, and if Barcelona are serious, he's not going to want to wait a season to see are we going to become a major force in Europe again. There isn't an established player that we have a notional chance of signing who's as good, so unless our scouts unearth a hidden gem (and let's face it: our scouts probably won't), we're not going to get an individual talent like him.


25 Jul 2017 18:44:23
IF Couts has not asked to leave and we are not willing to sell at any price, how is he a goner then, OP?


25 Jul 2017 18:46:54
Signing of the season RK, c'mon now.
Lpool or all teams?
🤔😏.


25 Jul 2017 20:31:25
Definitely LFC but possibly of the whole premier league. He cost £10m, you can't get a young first team player with premier league and international experience for that these days.


25 Jul 2017 20:40:00
I have to say i agree with Ron.

I think a lot of people are going to be pleasantly surprised. To use the terminology most associated with our beautiful Brenda. the kid has heaps of character.

hes a no-bullshit type player, seems to have a positive attitude and I reckon he'll kick on a treat.

Just a hunch :D.


25 Jul 2017 17:50:16
Evening all

I must say ed001 im a bit shocked and almost upset at the thought of going into next season without Emre. I really thought he would be an integral part of the squad this season and pushing to start most games. We will definitely need to replace him in that area of the field with both him and Lucas departing. Would you agree ed?

I searched for alternatives after Keita but seems most options have moved on already. Does it seem to be him only now?

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{Ed001's Note - I agree with you mate.}

25 Jul 2017 18:24:06
I will be gutted to see him go.
However- what an attitude he is displaying.

He could sign a new contract and not get game time, or go to Juve and play.

Has to be admired for such a refreshing approach.


25 Jul 2017 18:42:56
Without intending to be controversial, i don't think he will be missed too much.

Nor do i see anything special to be worried about.


25 Jul 2017 18:46:20
So will I, OP. Emre has grown to be a very good player and a true warrior for us last season when he played thru injury to get us top 4. I will be sad if he left as he has grown in leaps and bounds since 2014 when he came to us. I really hope he stays.


25 Jul 2017 18:58:03
You can argue that's been a bit inconsistent for us and from that point of view, and beyond missing him if Henderson gets injured, we won't see an immediate drop in performances due to not having him anymore.

But I think he's very close to becoming an excellent player, and we are going to look at him in a season or two and think: "Wow. That Can lad's amazing. Why didn't we keep him? "


25 Jul 2017 19:09:29
You're wrong Davey, he has all the quality to get as far as he wants in his career and will be a huge loss if he leaves. Yes he struggled at the start of the season but he was one of the best players in the league from February onwards. Anyone who can't see what a massive loss he'd be doesn't know quality.


25 Jul 2017 19:51:32
I'm all in with the Emre love in. Very good already, could be great. Hate to lose him, but he must be rightly worried about game time if we are chasing after Keita so hard. The worst case is if we lose Emre and don't get Keita (which is looking more likely by the day) .


25 Jul 2017 17:35:30
Ed001 sorry if someone's asked you this and I've missed it in the search but how do you feel about Emre supposedly leaving, being absolutely truthful I really couldn't care less.
He seems like a nice lad but I don't think he's shown anything in his time with us that would indicate he's going to be a quality quality player.

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{Ed001's Note - I disagree with you, I think it is a mistake to let him go.}

25 Jul 2017 18:44:08
Agree with Ruthless.

The opinions on the lad appear to be hot and cold.

Only time will tell i suppose, regardless which club it is.


25 Jul 2017 18:51:11
Ruthless, quality is in the eyes of the beholder. but to say that Emre has not shown anything in his time here that he can be a quality player for us is just insane. He is only 23 and has shown improvement every season since he got here to the point of being a regiular call up to the German national team, which is not an easy group to break into and stay there. Now if you expect him to become David Silva already then you will indeed be disappointed. He is a very good player who at 23 will only get better and he should stay with us as we esp. Klopp, were the ones who took care of some of his rough edges.


25 Jul 2017 17:41:44
As you might recall I had created a fantasy league across all the pages. Thought now would be a good time for a reminder.
The game is located at fantasy.premierleague.com
The code to join this league: 15240-12211.
It's titled Football Rumors League

Entries to the league will close at midnight of 10th August BST so make sure you're signed uo by then.

Also additionally Ed033 has created a new fantasy football page if you want to ask any questions

Thanks.

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25 Jul 2017 18:35:42
Quick question ed, do we need to start a separate profile for the fantasy page?


{Ed001's Note - no.}

26 Jul 2017 10:33:32
Ed001/ 002
Will it be okay if I post in onto the other banter pages?


{Ed033's Note - go ahead Reet

25 Jul 2017 18:28:55
Just wondered if anyone could shed any light onto who actually decides, and how they decide what a player is worth these days, and if that player is worth paying for. I know most high value markets are driven by certain factors, interest rates supply and demand, commercial value etc.

Granted there is a great deal more revenue in English game these days due to new tv deals and all that, but how can it just be said that "Swansea value Sigurdsson at $50m" or Lukuaku is worth $75m, not saying those players are not worth what "they" say, but is it just a question of what their potential suitors projected annual revenue is and how they budget certain amounts for players, wages, development etc or is there an actual measuring stick (s) to go by to determine a players value.

Money ball, stats and all that stuff gives you a view point but doesn't guarantee real on the pitch impact, . There are people on here who say "if we could get "xxx" for $50m then we should snap their hand off but $70m is too much" wtf kind of view is that, should we even care how much organizations are willing to pay for players and their salaries, maybe yes maybe not but where does it end?

Nice one to the Eds and most of the regular posters that make this the only site id ever consider viewing regularly or even posting on, there are a huge amount of cringe worthy posts but it has to be said that is part of the addiction to this site, both seeing what some numptys have to say and how the eds and others react. I for one think that if we don't sign anyone else this window we will still be better than utd and arsenal. Grujic for me could be the breakthrough player. YNWA.

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25 Jul 2017 17:54:52
I don't think anyone knows the prices anymore. We live in a world where an average full back costs 50m.


25 Jul 2017 18:06:25
I have often thought the same. Some comparisons between what players cost is crazy, and at times seems random and arbitrary, even when you take into account the length if contract and such. 50 million for Sterling and 35 million for Salah - you would have thought they were the other way around. Stones for 50 million and Matip for 4 million?!? It seems bizarre at times.

I am sure I read somewhere that Firminho is ranked as the fifth most expensive player if he was to be sold today, supposedly taking all sorts of factors into consideration. Again a great surprise. I guess a player is simply wirth what some other club are willing to pay.


25 Jul 2017 18:17:15
I have often thought the same. Some comparisons between what players cost is crazy, and at times seems random and arbitrary, even when you take into account the length if contract and such. Stones for 50 million and Matip for 4 million?!? It seems bizarre at times.

I am sure I read somewhere that Firminho is ranked as the fifth most expensive player if he was to be sold today, supposedly taking all sorts of factors into consideration. Again a great surprise.

I guess a player is simply worth what some other club are willing to pay.


25 Jul 2017 18:20:33
The buying club decides ultimately.


25 Jul 2017 18:52:46
You are only worth what someone is willing to pay for you. That's the way it works in any sport.


26 Jul 2017 12:02:19
The buying and selling club would be the simplest answer mate. They and only they will decide on the value of a player.


24 Jul 2017 17:17:49
Naby Keita is a better midfielder than Paul Pogba from what I have seen. The most dynamic midfielder I have seen in a long long time. He is a mix of Hendo + Can + Lucas all in one single package.

Excellent passing, Great energy to skip past players into tight areas and superb vision in breaking and intercepting an opposition play. A truly gifted one time player who doesn't come up for auction every year.

He is worth every penny that has been bid for and more.
People call him a luxury have not seen him play full 90mts. You can go back and check some of RBL matches against big names in bundelegue for any clarifications.

If we get him then he will make our entire team better by 100%. I can understand why Klopp is so adamant on a player who he knows will cost the club their biggest money in their history. Klopp doesn't run behind big money players but clearly this time he is spot on.

I have played myself as a midfileder and has done various research and wrote articles on this position and some great players. I can be very honest and sure about the quality of Keita.

I still believe we will sign this pure genius!

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25 Jul 2017 18:09:27
Calm down Harry.

Firstly, it is highly unlikely he will be coming. Secondly, I think you're over-rating him just a tad. To say he will on his own double the capability of our entire squad is a massive overstatement.

People are saying he's a luxury signing because what we really need is left sided CB and a RB. Keita whilst a massive talent is not a must for us right now. This crush is getting a little embarrassing now. Last year it was Kante who you now believe is inferior to keita. Before that it was kovacic and so on,

I remember Firmino was one of the players you used to wax lyrical about before we signed him and since he's been a Liverpool player - I can't remember you posting of your admiration again.


25 Jul 2017 18:21:40
"The most dynamic midfielder I have seen in a long long time"

More dynamic than Kante.

That's some claim 🤔.


25 Jul 2017 18:57:16
I actually agree with Harry on this.


25 Jul 2017 18:59:03
Steady there, Harry cos it seems you are working way too hard to convince us of your opinion hence, over-compensating. Naby is a very talented player and very gifted. A 70m pound must-buy player sorry, he is definitely not and you have not been watching football for a long time, if you think he's the most dynamic midfielder to have played in a while. Naby is actually better than Kante as he is Kante with better attacking and passing ability. Look, RBL don't even rate him as a 70m player cos his release clause is 48m. They only put that fee on him to ward off interest.


25 Jul 2017 16:13:02
Ed01, would you still love to see Medel at the club if that was an option or has your sweet spot for him wained.

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{Ed001's Note - yes I still would like him.}

25 Jul 2017 17:14:02
why are people so obsessed with asking ED001 about Gary Medel? Bizarre.


25 Jul 2017 19:46:06
Coz I'm sick of reading about VVD and a Keita mate that's why I asked.


25 Jul 2017 16:12:10
Was,
Has there actually been a quote from Coutinho saying he wants to leave? All I read below is speculation that Barcelona are in London to try to get a deal done. We were foolish to quote a price and then claim he's not for sale. We have been trying to get a deal done with Keita to no avail so let's hope he wants to stay and there's nothing in it. I'm kinda thinking I'm glad I didn't get his name on my new shirt now, just in case!

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{Ed002's Note - We know what has happened with him and his agent in the past.}

25 Jul 2017 17:37:19
He wants to go gmac, if we get £100m for him he will most def go. No one is irreplaceable but i fear with can going too we will struggle to get like for like replacements in this window. We will be yet again a team in transition as we mourn the loss of yet another talisman. So southampton are our feeder club and we are a feeder club to Barcelona oh the irony.


25 Jul 2017 19:00:30
He may want to leave yes but may not want to kick up a fuss about it and as a result, may be convinced to stay for at least one more season and see what happens from there.


25 Jul 2017 15:53:45
Afternoon Red's, looking forward for the season to start and at this moment in time I'm quite happy with the current squad especially if we can keep Couts for another season. For me if Can goes then it gives the lad Grujic a chance to show what he's about and I'm liking what I see every time he gets on the pitch. If Couts does go (Be gutted) but I'm sure there are other targets to turn to, and again if we don't get anyone in we still have Lallana and Bobby to play in that position and have a front 3 of Salah, Sturridge, Mane which is a hell of a line up. Albeit VVD and Keita are quality but I think both ships have sailed there so we trust in what we have which as I've said is a strong squad of players with majority now back fit which is like a few new signings. We do need to concentrate on the outgoings to ensure we lighten the load in terms of numbers and financial aspects and allow these lad's to get their careers back on track elsewhere.

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25 Jul 2017 19:02:49
IMH, If Can leaves, that would leave a big hole in the #6 position as we would only have Hendo to rely on there as Grujic is not a #6. He is an CAM as shown in the preseason games this summer. Another player may need to come in there if Can leaves and I'm not a fan of playing Wiji there either.


25 Jul 2017 15:07:43
Macca,

I am a simple Swedish man with a simple Swedish life: I wake up, I go to work, I go home and I go to sleep. In other words, the only thing that makes my life worth living is Liverpool.

Having said that, can you by any means update us on VVD and Keita. Do you still believe they will be Liverpool players?

Many many thanks in advance,

Peter.

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25 Jul 2017 16:12:34
Try living in the usa hourly entertainment from an orangutan loose on twitter, each tweet stupider than the last.


25 Jul 2017 16:49:26
Haha Waqas, I feel your pain!


25 Jul 2017 17:53:11
Now if anyine deserves an update from Macca, its Peter.


25 Jul 2017 18:35:56
Thank you, Davey - I agree with you. ;) This transfer window has been excruciating. I just want the season to start (with VVD and Keita in the starting line up hehe) . Is that too much to ask for?


25 Jul 2017 14:45:40
Hi Eds i know your busy and all but any chance for the sharkopod great work by the way i check this about 3 or 4 times a day thanks

Dont think keita is going to happen.

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{Ed002's Note - I will try next week - I am travelling this week.}

25 Jul 2017 18:22:43
Legend ed 😘.


25 Jul 2017 13:54:38
Afternoon all.
ED002 I recall you saying we "need to think seriously about whether or not the club just buy for the sake of it (to appease the fans) or has a structured approach to regeneration - where they buy the players they need"
And I have been thinking about it, the way we have not backed down from gvs considering how quickly we usually move on and end up buying our "2nd option" I. e Mane and Salah.

My question is, do you think we might actually know who we want? The options we move on from quite quickly, could be mere smokescreens to hide who we are really after to stop other teams competing with us to sign then whilst we actively try to sign them?
Because both Salah (so far) and Mane are absolutely outstanding in a red shirt and have improved us so much - for "second/ backup options" they are far too good IMO to even be considered as just a backup option.

In regards to Keita we have no smokescreen so are not backing down because he is the number 1 target and is not a smokescreen for an unexpected quality player (which we should move on and look for or wait till next season)
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I think that there is littel doubt about who the club wants - but there will be a thought about alternatives. There are no smokescreens Phil.}

25 Jul 2017 18:56:27
Ah right ok, wasn’t sure as the players we seem to buy as plan B seem to be better IMO lol
Appreciate the reply ed2 cheers.


25 Jul 2017 15:25:16
I have also just arrived in London today and I can categorically state that I am not here to tap up any Liverpool players or meet with Liverpool officials. I am just here on company business.

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25 Jul 2017 15:30:12
That's a smoke screen.


25 Jul 2017 15:38:23
I downvoted cos I don't believe you and this is clearly a smoke screen for the imminent arrival of Arda turan.


25 Jul 2017 15:40:07
"Official bussiness". Giggidy.


25 Jul 2017 16:10:34
I work for a plumbing and kitchen installation company and any puns regarding what the Americans call faucets will be met with severe repercussions, giggidy.


25 Jul 2017 15:15:28
Hi Eds

Brilliant coverage of what has so far proved a tedious and anticlimactic transfer window for Liverpool.

I just wanted to ask, in light of Ed001's comments about Can likely leaving to join Juve and Keita being the desired replacement; what will the club now look to do in that area given they will lose can and they've failed to sign keita?

Cheers

AR.

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{Ed001's Note - the window hasn't shut yet has it?}

25 Jul 2017 16:00:09
The club will look for alternatives. Keeping Coutinho is vital.
If we cannot get Keita, then I'd like to see us sign Nzonzi as Can's replacement. Proper CDM who is strong as an OX and good passing range.


25 Jul 2017 16:28:31
Ed remember when we signed vvd and oxlade in May, that's where our windows opened, so it shuts early too!


25 Jul 2017 14:34:41
Lots of people saying today if Couthino goes and Keita does not come in it's the clubs fault, am I missing something or was it not Klopp that put his foot in it regarding
VVD and Keita originally?

If Couthino goes more power to him and I honestly wish the lad well.

We have plenty more players who could be potentially leaving and there's still 5 weeks to go before the deadline, so stop panicking there's loads of time yet and lots to evaluate because not even klopp can honestly say if he knows who's staying or going currently.

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25 Jul 2017 14:39:52
Savvyxone if Coutinho leaves it will be a total disaster and backwards steps. No way of trying to turn it into a positive.


25 Jul 2017 14:52:24
Losing the biggest asset the club has, when the club qualifies for the Champions League for the first time in many years, will, for me, be the most obvious sign what we aiming at.


25 Jul 2017 14:48:36
That's utter rubbish frankly, and a very narrow minded opinion.


25 Jul 2017 15:09:57
In my opinion if we loose PC an don't get in a world class 10 an a center half the transfer window will be a disaster an I fear our progress in the champions league.
Just an opinion folks don't get too fired up.


25 Jul 2017 15:13:39
Sorry savvy you don lose your best player and not replace him. Even worse if we don't get a replacement in. Now wether that replacement is Keita or someone else it is vital we don't start the season down a top player.


25 Jul 2017 15:18:38
RBL would be a bigger club than Liverpool.
I don't think anyone at the club would allow it.


25 Jul 2017 15:35:06
I think I'm the only one that thinks this but I do really think we would be a more balanced team with Hendo, Keita, Wiji/ Lallana in midfield and Mane, Salah, Firmino/ Studge up front anyway. Don't get me wrong the message selling Couts would give out is a bad one no doubt but as long as we get Keita I think we could be a better team for it. That being said signing Keita and keeping Couts would be my much preferred option 😊.


25 Jul 2017 15:44:38
Dilakh2 that's not what I said at all.


25 Jul 2017 17:34:46
I think if we sell Coutinho then we will just be building year on year, he is our crown jewel at the moment and you can't keep selling your crown jewel.


25 Jul 2017 23:20:58
My bad savvy misread your post.


25 Jul 2017 13:16:56
*If* we sell Coutinho it's really going to cut a fuse in my system and fuming wouldn't be the word because yet again we'd be selling our best player and going back to square 1 when in fact we look like we are going to take huge strides in the coming season but by selling him it reiterates that the success we are hoping for won't happen anytime soon . I fully understand the business side of things in terms of selling Coutinho and in previous years of selling your best players to Real Madrid/ Barca but if we want success in ways of trophies i. e Premier League/ Champions League then selling shouldn't be an option.

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25 Jul 2017 13:36:56
Movement of players is normal in football 🤝.


25 Jul 2017 13:50:23
If he wants to go let him go and get as much money as we can. No point in keeping unhappy players . Would love him to stay but if they sell it won't be because money is the incentive.


25 Jul 2017 14:06:11
Yet when RBL say Keita is not for sale, we firmly believe we should press ahead, test their resolve and offer more money. we can't have it both ways.


25 Jul 2017 14:08:58
If he goes, others will have to step up and show their quality. We are not a one man team and as much as I want him to stay, with Klopp at the helm we have a good chance of using the money wisely and improving the team.


25 Jul 2017 14:24:10
even less of a point selling for loads of money when you can't get anyone to replace him.


25 Jul 2017 14:31:40
If we sell Coutinho FSG has to go. We shouldn't be selling our best players the way we have since they've taken over e. g Torres, Suarez, Sterling. You don't see Chelsea, Man City, or Man United selling their best players. that's why they are challenging year on year and we are not. I am becoming more and more unsettled with their running of the club even if they did expand Anfield one good does not fix a tonne of wrongs. You could look at the amount of players we have brought in for big fees but look at those who have left for big fees. You are not improving the team by selling you best player and buying 2 good players to fix the problem postions.


25 Jul 2017 14:35:46
Don't worry
about a thing
cause every little thing
is going to be alright.


25 Jul 2017 15:17:09
Cyklopps let's not forget though, torres, suarez and sterling all forced their way out.


25 Jul 2017 15:39:49
Ashy they forced their way out because they saw better chances of winning trophies at bigger clubs with better players. That shouldn't be happening at Liverpool Football Club. We have 1 trophy in the last 10 years mate no wonder we can't attract the top players and we won't ever be able to if we don't keep our best players. FSG is only in it for the money they outlined their plans for the club at the very start, Buy exciting young talent, develop them and then sell on for a profit.


25 Jul 2017 15:51:38
Cyklopps, The Torres deal was brilliant by FSG, coaches realised he wasn't what he was, he wanted to leave and forced it and we still got 50mil. We kept Suarez a year maybe even 2 years longer than he wanted and although it's a shame he's not in a red shirt, they did well managing that situation based on how he acted/ tried to force a move. Sterling wasn't and isn't one of our best players, he was just something we didn't have (pace and skill) . again he and his agent pushed for a move in a quite sly way. mane is twice the player at a much smaller fee. The other players we bought in I agree haven't all worked out at premiums, but stop blaming FSG for everything.


25 Jul 2017 17:26:13
Chelsea and Man City bigger clubs than Liverpool.

Good grief.


25 Jul 2017 17:33:26
Costa is going from Chelsea. United sold Ronaldo. De Gea very nearly went apart from a last minute hitch. It happens but it will happen more to a club that isn't winning trophies.


25 Jul 2017 13:13:45
Hi eds, hope you're well. Papers saying Barcelona officials have landed in London to try and do a deal for coutinio. Is it definitely Phil they are here for? Could there be anyone else they're after? Hence London rather than liverpool.

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{Ed002's Note - If they are here it will be in London for Coutinho.}

25 Jul 2017 13:29:56
Really worried now. Can to Juve, Barcelona in for Coutinho and RBL refusing to sell Keita.
Sensing a panic buying spree by Klopp if this goes on and our top players leave one by one. FSG need to be very firm on keeping them both and adding Keita.


25 Jul 2017 13:38:26
So are we supposed to believe the papers. or our Manager, who has just told us Coutinho is not for sale and that FSG has no intention of selling him.


25 Jul 2017 14:09:47
Coutinho only goes if we get Keita.


25 Jul 2017 14:55:11
Hi eds is there been any bids in for hector Herrera yet? He looks a good replacement for continho if he does leave.


25 Jul 2017 14:55:11
Hi eds is there been any bids in for hector Herrera yet? He looks a good replacement for continho if he does leave.


{Ed002's Note - I think LFC interest has gone now.}

25 Jul 2017 13:02:30
Hi Ed's. Would I be correct in saying that Rep's from Barcelona are in London at the mo trying to get a deal done for the transfer of Coutinho?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where anyone representing Barcelona in transfers is this morning although yesterday they did have someone senior in Germany.}

25 Jul 2017 13:01:36
If we sell coutinho my heart will truly sink.

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25 Jul 2017 12:10:20
Reading Barcelona are in London to negotiate a deal for Coutinho. NO 1 They should be in Liverpool to do that. NO 2 Liverpool have told them he is not for sale. NO 3 If true it is blatant tapping up of " OUR " player . Time to report Barcelona .

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{Ed002's Note - (1) They would need to be in London to negotiate. (2) Liverpool has previously provided a price for Coutinho. (3) Why does barcelona being in London make it "tapping up"?

25 Jul 2017 12:45:34
The fact we have provided a price for Coutinho makes my heart sink as opposed to what RBL are doing with Keita. I know he has the right to be sold if that's what he wants, but it would be a bitter pill to swallow.


25 Jul 2017 12:57:51
If Keita isn't sold, and coutinho is.
Then our club is in the wrong hands.


25 Jul 2017 13:31:53
Agreed Fowler. Sell Coutinho and fail to sign Keita, and we are in big trouble before the season even starts. Now even Can wants out and this top4 finish looks so hollow and useless considering our top players still want to leave.


25 Jul 2017 13:58:39
Losing Couts was always highly likely if he kept improving at the rate he has been. But as yet we haven't. But even signing Kieta wouldn't make up for it if we did as he is hardly a similar type. No posters on here (Ed's not included) were talking about Kieta even 4-5 months ago, now suddenly he's this incredible player who without our world will end.
Personally I think Phil will stay (whether he wants to or not) and it'll probably be like Suarez, he'll play like a man possessed which will be great for us, then go. Kieta won't be here this season.


25 Jul 2017 14:01:05
Indian, couts hasn't said he wants to leave? And Can was a bit part player, likely to be a bit part player next season as well - hence why he wants to leave. Bit of an overreaction 'our top players want to leave'


25 Jul 2017 14:14:22
I don't get the panic going around. We have neither sold Coutinho or bought Keita. If we do sell Coutinho I can only imagine it will be once we have agreed a deal for Keita. The ball is in our court with Coutinho, he's on a long term contract with no release clause.


25 Jul 2017 14:33:57
This window could very easily turn into a disaster! Missing out on all our top targets and Couts leaving!


25 Jul 2017 15:20:42
Perhaps they're related Mightyredmen.


25 Jul 2017 15:23:05
Irrespective of what happens with Keita we just shouldn't be allowing our best player to leave - what is the pojnt of striving hard to get into the CL only to get rid of your best players? And what message does that send out to the other players in the squad? Do you think the likes of Mane and Firmino will be thinking 'yeah Liverpool are a team who really want to go places and win things? ' - pretty doubtful eh.

The only circumstance in which we should sell Coutinho is if he makes it expressly clear he no longer wants to be a part of the club.


25 Jul 2017 15:57:38
I don't think we have an intention to sell coutinho, it was a while back that we met to set a price, not this transfer window. People speculating is just as bad as the media these days. So if we don't sell coutinho, are we therefore in the right hands? Can wants to leave because of first team assurances and trophies, he's not leaving to play for a certain team or because he doesn't believe we can achieve! Toll down the dramatics.


{Ed002's Note - It was at the end of April/beginning of May.}

25 Jul 2017 08:58:29
Have Liverpool shown any interest in Lucas Tousart from Lyon, tia.

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{Ed002's Note - Nope.}

25 Jul 2017 19:24:47
Thanks for response ed002.


25 Jul 2017 12:05:55
Hi all, this post isn't transfer related. More of a discussion post.

Does anyone else think that back in 2012, that King Kenny should possibly have been given maybe 1 more year. In terms of on the pitch i remember our football not being bad (I know we finished 8th) we did make 2 cup finals and think we set a record for number of times hitting the woodwork. We absolutely dominated teams and remember some outstanding goalkeeping performances against us as well. I think with one more season (and maybe a little more luck) we would have made top 4 under Kenny the next season. Also, he really could have done without the Suarez incident, which cost him the job in my opinion. Does anyone else think that 1 more season under Kenny would have been a good one or were we better off replacing him when we did?

Lamborini I 9 I.

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25 Jul 2017 12:19:15
I thought he'd be given 1 more season but it's clear he was dismissed for reasons other than performances on the pitch.


25 Jul 2017 12:33:11
Personally if things didn't happen as they did we wouldn't have klopp now.

BUT KENNY should always get one more year he should have continued as long as he wanted to. I would have trusted him to take us forward and to know when the time was right to step aside as he loves the club and fans and has done more for lfc than anyone.


25 Jul 2017 12:33:22
You'll get a lot of agrees because of who came next but if it was anyone other than KK there wouldn't even be a debate.

I think time has Softened your memories, we were dire that year. We came eighth but it was our worst league performance in 50 years. It was a disaster of Hodgson proportions.


25 Jul 2017 12:59:03
Not even the king can spend that much money on Andy Caroll and get away with it.


25 Jul 2017 13:51:52
I would agree a bit that during that time, Liverpool weren't that great. But I still remember the feeling of watching the team lifted the League Cup. I agreed with Dalglish, when he said lifting a trophy was more important than the top 4. If he stays, I think he will give Liverpool another trophy or two.


25 Jul 2017 14:17:04
Kenny the player was before my time although I have huge respect for what he has done for club and city however he was a manager coming in to a league he'd not managed in for number of years. It was a different ball game so to speak and when he left it best for the club.


25 Jul 2017 10:41:59
Still think we need a reliable prolific goal scorer personally.

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25 Jul 2017 10:57:04
Lets just field a team of strikers and play with a rush keeper.?


25 Jul 2017 11:09:29
Why not? We already field a team of central midfielders anyways.


25 Jul 2017 11:46:57
No Fowler, that was under Rodgers mate!


25 Jul 2017 12:04:38
Obviously one needs to go I'm not saying stack em all up but sometimes that's the difference between winning and drawing games.


25 Jul 2017 12:16:01
Still think we may have missed a trick not going for Aubamayang for the reported £50m. I like Firmino but I do worry that we could regret it at times next season.


25 Jul 2017 12:27:01
OP, and what do we do with the other 5 strikers we have here already?


25 Jul 2017 13:31:23
As I said b scouse one or even two imo should be moved on as for who that would be klopps choice.


25 Jul 2017 09:55:40
Barca are making Coutinho their top priority with reports saying Barcelona chiefs are flying to London to discuss the deal. God, please tell me this is not true.

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25 Jul 2017 10:28:44
I don't normally respond to prayers but ok. It's not true.


25 Jul 2017 10:47:04
Flying to meet and negotiate with who? The same LFC where the manager has said that Couts is not for sale? Come on, OP. Even you should no that that's nothing but hot smoke.


25 Jul 2017 11:31:16
A football club saying a player is not for sale is probably on a par with telling the missus I'm only going out for the 1.


25 Jul 2017 12:29:44
Jayden, if we mean that he is not for sale then it means he is not for sale so don't bother flying into London to negotiate except of course you wanna negotiate with yourselves or see the London Bridge. Suarez was not for sale and was not sold that summer. RBL said that Naby is not for sale and that was that and the deal is dead. If we mean what we say and I believe Klopp on this, then Barcelona can come to London and negotiate with the Milkman.


25 Jul 2017 12:42:21
Agree B scouse but the only people who actually know whether they mean it is the owners. The rest of us are just speculating and guessing.


25 Jul 2017 12:45:44
Like vvd isn't for sale doesn't stop u lot banging on about letting him go .


25 Jul 2017 13:39:51
It's all over the Spanish press. Front page headline reads " attack for coutinho" reps are in London negotiating with Liverpool. 100m€ is what they are offering. Should never of told psg the price we would accept.


25 Jul 2017 15:03:16
Hi I wouldn't panic too much if can and coutinho go, it would give grujic a chance and if we get a top class replacement for coutinho then who knows or even play. Firmino as a no 10 in a withdrawn role and Sturridge up front.


25 Jul 2017 08:52:01
The usual Keita and VVD talk really is getting boring now and we are all hanging on to what Macca has said that they both will sign.

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25 Jul 2017 10:02:34
Look give Macca a break - if the other party is being difficult in the sales process is that his fault? - he tells you what he knows he does not have inside info on other clubs such as Saints, RBL. I posted what I feel will happen with VVD, Ox. and Keita and you pussies did not like it because it does not suit your agenda . grow up and grow a pair this is business not football manager.


25 Jul 2017 10:13:00
and again to remind you all he did mention Robertson . who signed for us.


25 Jul 2017 10:37:52
Well said Carlos!

Not saying the original poster, but many on here are whining like kids every day.

It's getting embarrassing but most of all reallly boring.

Roll on watford first game of the season so we can restore some sanity to the world! 😂.


25 Jul 2017 11:09:32
King Carlos what are you on . Grow up? I am probably older than you are! Its my opinion pal you don't have to get shirty. Im not having a dig at Macca at all! Try to chill out a bit yourself maybe.


25 Jul 2017 11:34:42
Whenever I come to a comment that I think is repetitive I simply scroll past.


25 Jul 2017 11:42:09
Ed01 is real fan of can.

Think he is not that vital cog and did get umpteen opportunities to seal a place and he failed to do so is the reality.

Cheers.


25 Jul 2017 12:19:42
Macca said they will sign before de season start so there is time and everything in the media is just speculation. Bro be patient I'm sure we will get both.


25 Jul 2017 08:40:01
Right, latest conspiracy theory. Wiji's played deep a fair bit in pre-season. With Couts coming into midfield likely taking his position is Klopp training Wiji to play deeper to be the back up to Hendo? Is it a sign that Klopp's planning for life without Can?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

25 Jul 2017 08:48:18
Do you believe that Can will be sold Ed? I hope not, he will be some player.


{Ed001's Note - he hasn't signed his new contract, so he will have to go.}

25 Jul 2017 08:59:37
A great pity - is there any indication as to why he hasn't signed? Is this a money thing or does he just fancy playing in a different league?


{Ed001's Note - game time mainly, he wants to be first choice and win trophies, he will get both those with Juventus. Plus he won't have to put up with shedloads of abuse when playing through injury, like he did with us....}

25 Jul 2017 09:14:01
Thanks Ed, I hadn't expected quite such a definitive answer. If I could trouble you for a follow up I would expect that if Can leaves we'd want to bring in another midfielder. Would that be Keita (if we could get him) or would it be an squad player (such as A O-C)?


{Ed001's Note - Keita.}

25 Jul 2017 09:19:53
Thanks Ed.


{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

25 Jul 2017 09:44:50
Will Can be first choice for Juventus? I'm surprised by that to be hoenst.


{Ed001's Note - yes and why surprised? He is an excellent player.}

25 Jul 2017 10:20:08
Has Klopp refused to give him assurances over game time then Ed1?
Also, is there a plan B to Keita because it's seems apparent that he's not coming.
Thanks Ed1.


{Ed001's Note - last season showed him that he is not first choice.}

25 Jul 2017 10:24:59
Thanks Ed1. That's a shame. I think he'd probably have forced himself into the first team with his performances over the last few months.


{Ed001's Note - me too.}

25 Jul 2017 10:28:32
So that's can gone then 😔
Didn't think this was how the transfer window was going to pan out.


25 Jul 2017 10:39:11
Have to say I'd be a bit gutted if Can goes. There is fierce competition in our midfield mind you, so maybe understandable from his view point, but am still gutted none the less. Let's hope for a decent fee I suppose.


25 Jul 2017 10:40:42
Ed, I know you're probably sick of hearing the name Keith but please would you give me your gut feeling in this: come the end of the transfer window do you see him at Liverpool?


{Ed001's Note - well Penelope does like her seat in the Kop, so she could well be there.}

25 Jul 2017 10:51:56
Can is a very good player who played through injury to help get us top 4 and there was nothing but abuse raining on him for doing something that many other players would never do. He was awesome for us down the stretch and I will be sad to see him go.


25 Jul 2017 11:07:56
Good one ed. that's auto-correct at play. I meant your gut feeling over Keita signing?


{Ed001's Note - my gut feeling is that I probably should not have eaten so much spicey food last night. I don't have one about Keita one way or the other to be honest. I know he wants to join and we want him, but I also know RBL are not in the slightest bit ready to sell.}

25 Jul 2017 11:21:30
Cans more than replaceable.


25 Jul 2017 12:00:40
I do think Can is excellent, and would be gutted if he left ed001, but not sure he would be guaranteed a starting berth with pjanic, kedhira, marchisio etc, when he is not even a definite starter for us!


{Ed001's Note - I don't rate any of those players personally. Pjanic could be good, but he usually goes missing and Khedira I just don't get the deal with him.}

25 Jul 2017 12:12:00
I am not being critically at all of Can by any means. But he will not be hard to replace. In and outbof our team for several seasons. No real impact. He is technically average. Nearly 2500 mins of footy last season.5 goals and 2 assists. Goes missing a lot and does give the ball away a fair bit. Good luck to the guy. I know he's 23 but he's been around a while. Think grujic has more potential and should be given a shot.


25 Jul 2017 12:18:43
We will regret this so so badly, he's miles better at CM than Wijnaldum and Lallana and I have no qualms about saying it plus he's one of the only physical players we have. So disappointed.


25 Jul 2017 12:24:44
Players come, players go.
I can't get worked up about it to be honest.
Good luck to Emre, great pro, no shortage of effort.
Will get a cracking welcome if he ever comes back to LFC
👏.


25 Jul 2017 08:37:17
Wrote a lil diddle looking for people's opinions.
Written to Jimmy's winning matches which hopefully people will know from donegals run to the all Ireland few years back!

He's came from Germany, out to the Mersey
And he's going to win the title just you wait and see
Cuz we'll beat City men we'll beat Chelsea men
We'll beat anyone that stops us on our title run

Chorus:
It's destiny it's not just written in the sand
He's got a plan yes he's no lucky lucky man

Ohh klopp is winning matches
Klopp is winning games
Klopp is going to bring us back to the top again


Ohh klopp is winning matches
Klopp is winning games
Klopp is going to bring us back to them glory days


He's not from Italy he's from Germany
And if you want the best players he's the man to see
Cuz we got coutinho
We got firmino
We got salah and mane and georginio

Chorus.

We'll win the fa cup
We'll win the league cup
And if that wasn't enough we'll win the Euro Cup
Cuz we'll score more than you
We'll beat you black and blue
And you know that it's a fact that we will never lose.

Chorus and out!

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25 Jul 2017 10:40:49
MON DONEGAL.


25 Jul 2017 10:47:26
you don't have a girlfriend do you?


25 Jul 2017 08:09:54
It does make me laugh at the reports we will put Keita transfer on hold until next season. If he improves again on his current form we will have no chance of picking him up as we can't compete with the bigger clubs it's delusional for us to think otherwise. This summer is showing what City, Utd and Chelsea have to spend when their managers throw their rattles out of the prom. These guys will probably spend 300+ million each. If Klopp thinks Keita is a real worldie it's buy him now or lose him to the big spenders next season.

I think this is a huge summer for Klopp, he's missed all of his first targets so far but Salah is a very good alternative. He's been very poor in improving the defense and needs some real top quality additions (Klopp doesn't play that way is nonsense, he puts out 4 defenders every game not a gk and 10 attackers, better defenders improve the defense, we do not have great defenders) . I also think and have said all season he needs a defensive coach to drill the team at set pieces as we are awful on them.
We looked great attacking last season until Mane went to Africans, then Couts got injured and we were woeful from a January, that looks like we really lack depth and Salah will help there. However a lot of teams found it quite easy to run straight through our midfield from a January and that's concerning.

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25 Jul 2017 08:29:50
Said the same re keita at the start when people were asking why no other clubs were in for him. if we don't get him now there will be a choice of 5 or 6 clubs in for him and as you say unfortunately it would be difficult to convince him to choose us at that point so it really is now or never!


25 Jul 2017 08:40:33
And then we will move on to other targets, Shane and Macgoveb. What's the big deal? Why worry about something that actually may not even happen?


25 Jul 2017 08:48:41
We can offer 100 million, If they won't sell then there's nothing we can do about it. We've shown our intent by offering (if true) 74 million so klopp obviously thinks he's "a real worldie " but I do agree with you, if we fail to get him this summer and he continues to impress then by next season your Madrid's, Bayern Munich's will be lining up for his signature so I too think it's now or never. sadly though it seems we are not in the driving seat here and just need to respect RB's decision on the player, they seem pretty stubborn and adamant the player is staying.


25 Jul 2017 08:50:59
Not worried b scouse I'm confident keita will join, our history however with late change of plans to fill positions has left us with players like balotelli in the past which I do not want frankly.


25 Jul 2017 09:30:30
Absolutely spot on Mcgoveb, especially your comment regarding the defence!


25 Jul 2017 07:20:01
Hi ed001. I would like to hear 5 positive things about Robertson as a player and man, in your opinion.
Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - talk about putting me on the spot. Ok here goes:

1. He has a decent left foot, so will not need to keep cutting back onto his right and wasting a chance to put an early ball into the box.

2. He has a good attitude and desire.

3. He is Scottish and we have always had Scots in the team, hell our first ever side was almost entirely Scots.

4. He makes good jam.

5. He wants to play for Liverpool.}

25 Jul 2017 07:57:28
He's not ginger.


{Ed001's Note - nothing wrong with ginger.....}

25 Jul 2017 08:14:52
What kind of jam ed, strawberry, raspberry, where can i get some?


{Ed001's Note - all kinds mate, you must remember Robertson's?}

25 Jul 2017 08:23:08
Benny why did you need Ed to point out 5 good things about the lad? Or am I making something out of nothing mate?


{Ed001's Note - it just because he has a crush on me mate and likes to think of things to make me reply to him. It gives him little butterflies in his tummy when I do. Bless him.}

25 Jul 2017 08:36:09
Ed001 might as well make a 13 reasons why. robertson is basically Scottish Jesus. That'll break the imdb charts no doubt.


{Ed001's Note - I am not sure he is anything like Jesus though. Jesus is a striker for starters.....}

25 Jul 2017 08:41:33
I am more thrilled about the jam he can make, Ed.


{Ed001's Note - I think he retired from jam making when he got his first professional contract, sadly. Robertson's jams and marmalades are much missed.}

25 Jul 2017 08:43:45
Surely (don't call me surely) everyone knows Robertsons jam. Is it still on the shelves over there Ed as have moved countries a few years ago, I think like their jam though.


{Ed001's Note - really? I read somewhere the brand had been closed down.}

25 Jul 2017 09:03:03
The real question Ed001. Is he better than Moreno?


{Ed001's Note - yes, overall he is better. Shame as I really like Moreno as a person, he is a genuinely nice lad with great enthusiasm. However that does not make him a great player, sadly.}

25 Jul 2017 10:11:20
I ask because I'm so bored of seeing the names keita and vvd. I asked because I've not seen much of the new Liverpool player.


25 Jul 2017 10:37:22
Ahh sound Benny mate.


25 Jul 2017 11:18:19
Robertson is really down to earth as well. He was up watching Dundee United's play off games at the tail end of last season and sitting in with the fans.
Genuine respect for the lad, will be a good role model for years to come.


25 Jul 2017 07:03:54
Eds where to find sharkapods?

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{Ed001's Note - podcasts

25 Jul 2017 02:47:47
Ed001 just wanted to ask your opinion on this Keita tackle that has been blown up in the media. Do you feel it was just retaliation to a tackle he recieved or fustration and trying to force a move like when Suarez turned into a vampire?

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{Ed001's Note - it was just a tackle. I think it must have been a slow day for making up bull by the little kids working for those trolling clickbait sites.}

25 Jul 2017 06:44:06
Haha fair enough thanks for the reply.


{Ed001's Note - if you ever get the chance to watch teams training, you will see these kind of incidents (and far worse every day).}

25 Jul 2017 07:05:12
Ed001 you think we will sing a. keita b. vvd?


{Ed001's Note - I don't know, perhaps if you tell us the words and hum us all the tune we can have a sing-a-long.....}

25 Jul 2017 07:05:21
Sorry it was sign.


{Ed001's Note - damn sing was so much more fun!}

25 Jul 2017 08:14:52
well? whom ed? any chance?


{Ed001's Note - I have answered this question a lot mate, I don't see any point in me repeating myself again.}

25 Jul 2017 08:43:01
It was a very slow news day indeed. I saw the tackle and what led to it. There are Sunday League training sessions where much worse has happened. Nothing to see there.


24 Jul 2017 22:14:10
Ed001.If you're about mate.

Five mins away from the monotonous VVD and Keita posts.

Which team do you think has strengthened best so for, targeting and landing players where they have needed to strrenghthen.

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{Ed001's Note - probably City.}

25 Jul 2017 04:51:39
Pep has clearly identified a weakness in his side and is spending big to fix it. Only just realised today he has spent over 110million pounds on fullbacks alone.
It certainly is a new transfer world.
But his side is definitely looking formidable now - if he can get them to gel and implement his tactics.


25 Jul 2017 04:55:02
It will be us once we've signed VVD and Keita. Oops, sorry Nicky.


25 Jul 2017 07:22:15
City without a doubt. The money spent has been obscene but they have replaced their ageing fullbacks with those that possess lots of pace and offer width. Bernardo Silva is class and I believe Jesus is going to be on of the best in his position in the league.
LFC tbh have not really improved on last season's squad (bar Salah) . Add Keita and VVd to the squad and then maybe we might challenge for the title.


25 Jul 2017 07:25:05
City spent roughly the same amount on kyle walker as we did on salah, robertson and solanke.


25 Jul 2017 07:28:36
My issue with Pep is his lack of intent to developing any of the talent already theee when he arrived.

Stones 50mil
Bravo 17mil
New gk (can't remember name) 35mil (ish)
Mendy 50mil
Walker 50mil
Gundogan 25mil
Sane 40mil
Gabriel Jesus 30mil
Bernardo Silva 45mil

He has basically bought 8 of his starting 11 in 1 year and spent £320 mil. If he wins the league, is that really a big well done? Great coach or blessed with rich clubs and endless spending power?


25 Jul 2017 08:35:53
Guardiola, in terms of the teams he has managed, is surely one of the luckiest managers of the modern era. He inherited a Barcelona side with the burgeoning Messi, Eto'o in his prime, Iniesta, Xavi in his prime, Busquets, etc etc and with a cheque book to sign players he felt needed. He then went to Bayern who have by far the best squad in the Bundesliga, the most money to spend and who had come off of a treble winning season (! ) . He is now at arguably the richest club in England - completely bombed first season despite having a squad filled with talent and expense - and has now outlayed a supreme amount of money again in order to compile the team he wants. A complete chequebook manager - give me the teams and resources that man has had and I bet you I win games. If he doesn't win at least 2 trophies this season (League must be one) then it is a complete and utter failure for them - if they do it's nothing more than you would expect really.


25 Jul 2017 08:47:49
Spot on 87red. He has spent a lot of money but really, their fullbacks are still suspect defensively. Walker has no end product. Mendy has some but is woeful defensively ans as for the GK, time will tell. The best way to play against City if you are LFC, is to give those FB's pace to defend against and that is where we will have the upper hand. Salah and Mane on the flanks will slow the penchant for plying those FB's high up the pitch. That is one part of their system neutralized. The rest, we shall see. City has spent a lot and if they win the PL, it won't be a big deal. Now if they don't, Pep's in trouble.


25 Jul 2017 10:26:26
Stick Guardiola in charge of Bristol Rovers with a one million pound budget and see if he can get them to the Premier League.


 
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