Liverpool Banter Archive June 25 2015

 

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25 Jun 2015 22:38:29
I've got to say I'm really taken aback by our speed of movement in the transfer market this year at this rate we'll have our business done by the start of July

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25 Jun 2015 21:36:56
Its getting a bit heavy on here again and after a pleasant few days i'm going to try and continue that. So i was watching the firmy trick shot with the hoop and it got me nostalgic for watching some old ronaldinho vids. Then i watched neymar and so on. Anyway i remember ronaldinho fondly and he was my fav brazilian player of his generation.

My question to you all who is/was better Ronaldinho or neymar?

I will throw one more into the ring just for fun, Messi or Maradona?

Let the debate begin.

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{Ed007's Note - Ronaldinho and Maradona, and both were better than Messi.}

25 Jun 2015 22:37:25
Ronaldo! As in THE Ronaldo, the Brazilian one

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25 Jun 2015 22:39:12
Ronaldinho by the way, will always remember that goal he scored against England in the 2002 world cup. I swear I thought it was our year until then!

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25 Jun 2015 22:49:34
Ronaldinho is my favourite player of all time. Records and achievements aside nobody has looked as good as he did in his prime.

Messi over maradonna for me only because i wholeheatedly believe football is harder and faster these days. Messi will have an unbelievable record when he finally packs it in.

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{Ed007's Note - Aye his medical record! Now that's unbelievable!}

25 Jun 2015 23:01:55
Ronaldinho is a god of football. Far better then messi. But i do love how neymar plays real Brazilian flair

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25 Jun 2015 23:04:08
Maradona- at least 100% better than anyone else.

Ronaldinho much better than Neymar.

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25 Jun 2015 23:17:25
sorry, but I do not agree Ed.

I've seen Maradonna and I've seen Messi both play live.
Yes, Marradonna was good but Messis goals and close ball control skill is better IMO.

I was in the Azteca the day that Maradonna cheated, and he knew he had, but went on to make out that he had scored a great goal,! ( apart from the actual great goal that he did score)

For this fact, amongst many, I do believe that Messi would never cheat his way to a goal no matter how many he scores the way that Maradonna did. This point alone in my book make him the better man and player that will ever live.

I'm not being biased because Maradonna knocked us out of the World Cup but if it wasn't for the cheat goal I think we may have won the tournament !!

All said and done its Messi for me.

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{Ed007's Note - I've seen Paddy McCourt live and he was doing what Messi does years ago. I don't know what you mean with Maradona and a cheat goal - it must be an English thing. Anyhoo, just as a sidenote the man we have to thank for the greatest player ever, Don Maradona, passed away earlier tonight.}

25 Jun 2015 23:50:14
Maradona and Ronaldinho( though if he worked harder it wouldn't even be a question)

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26 Jun 2015 00:16:19
Ed 007 - you are so wrong ( in my humble opinion of course ) since watching LFC's first foray into Europe against Reykjavick in 1964 and the greatest ever game at Anfield on May 4th 1965 versus Inter Milan - watched 3 World Cup games in 1966 in the Paddock at Goodison, including Eusebio's 4 goals against North Korea. Without doubt the best all round player I have ever seen is Lionel Messi - he even surpasses, Pele ( and other great Brazilians of that era ), Maradonna and my all time favourite ( before Messi ) Zinadene Zidane. Ronaldhino, great player, but cannot be used in the same sentence as Messi.

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{Ed007's Note - Your mind is probably going a bit if you've seen all that, in my humble opinion of course.}

26 Jun 2015 00:20:27
Messi is not in Ronaldo (the Phenom), Ronaldinho or in Maradona's class and will never be, IMO. Why? Maradona transformed teams on his own and did not need a supporting cast to win a WC or turn an obscure team like Napoli into a household name. Ronaldo is simply the best CF in my generation and the best player I have EVER seen in my 30 plus years of watching football, period. He was an animal with pace, power, raw skill and a deadly finish. He dominated in every league he played in, won countless international trophies (all of which Messi is missing), and only trails Pele in international goals for Brazil, till injuries messed him up but that did not stop him from winning the WC after 18 months out injured. And Ronaldinho? What more can one say than just absolute class. He was Messi's mentor at Barca. All these players have one thing in common, a WC triumph while Messi doesn't have a pot to piss in, internationally. call me back when Messi has achieved all these things and well talk then.

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{Ed007's Note - Until Messi is tested outside his comfort zone he will always be beneath Maradona. Any time he is - Argentina - he fails to deliver. Maradona as you say RedO transformed any team he played in. I think we've been here before mate, deja vu....}

26 Jun 2015 00:31:37
Ronaldinho was so good he had parts of the bernabeu applauding him during El Classico.

I can't remember the year but it's one where he cuts in off the left and destroys them.

A show pony for sure but a very good one.

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26 Jun 2015 00:23:36
Funnyyou should mention Paddy McCourt ed. I watched him at Derry before he went to Celtic where he would beat men 4 at a time in slow motion. He had so much natural ability.

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{Ed007's Note - People should look up his videos on Youtube, he wasn't called the Derry Pele for nothing, if only he could have screwed the nut and applied himself. Skill wise he was probably up there with Lubo Moravcik but attitude wise he makes Gazza look like Mr Motivator.}

26 Jun 2015 00:59:09
Ronaldinho was probably the best player i have seen.


Oh and Messi did the same hand of god goal too, in case you missed it.

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26 Jun 2015 01:02:12
Loved watching ronaldinho play, what a superstar. Was really starstruck when I met him.

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26 Jun 2015 05:47:14
Messi did in fact cheat in the exact same manner a few years ago in the final game of the season which could very well have won barca the title had Madrid not win their game.the only reason nobody remembers is there was no consequence. So we can put to bed the image of messi as an honorable player, he also took human growth hormone to make him taller and stronger, which I disagree with. You might say that it was medically related but that's tough in my opinion, plenty of other very short players were not allowed to do that.

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26 Jun 2015 07:03:29
For me, the best ever is Zidane. He can make Borini look like Ronaldo and Allen look like Xavi.
To me, the hallmark of a great player isn't that he's good, it's that he makes all other players look fantastic. I remember watching France during 2006 World Cup qualifiers, and they looked like a soulless bunch. Up steps Zidane & they're in the World Cup finals.
He still has perhaps the greatest individual performance I've seen in a match - Brazil vs France, quarterfinals 2006 - he made Kaka, Ronaldinho, Juninho, Ze Roberto & Gilberto look so terrible, it was insulting.
If Zidane had a team of mediocres and Messi/Ronaldinho had a team of mediocres, Zidane's team would finish above theirs if they were in a league.

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26 Jun 2015 07:58:33
Maradona had quite a few teams of mediocres and won plenty. What did Zidane win before he went to juventus? France was a decent team-even if they were performing below par In the qualifiers.

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26 Jun 2015 10:05:07
In his pomp Ronaldinho was just unplayable, and that's unplayable against the very best in the world. His fitness and training issues meant his time at the very top was shorter than a lot of players but, for me, i've never seen a player who was such a game changer. If I was older i'd probably be saying something similar about Maradona.

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26 Jun 2015 13:14:01
As i said ronaldinho is my all time fav, messi is too lazy for me, does about 20 mins of work in a match and switches off for the majority of the game. I have never watched him play and just went omg that was amazing like i have with ronaldinho. Maradona won a world cup by himself nuff said regardless of the nonsense with the goal that should never have been.

And ed07 omg paddy mccourt, how in the hell was he never acclaimed as one of the best in the world. If he was playing today with the profligation of social media he would be bigger than messi, just pure natural talent. Sadly that sort of skill is being coached out of youngsters, we will never see such like on these shores again as long as the game is so heavily leaned towards big athletes rather than skillful players.

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26 Jun 2015 13:44:15
Out of the choices Ronaldinho and Maradona. Neymar might surpass Ronaldinho but for me Maradona won the World Cup for Argentina on his own, Messi looks amazing with great players supporting. Maradona made average players play great. Also I have to agree with some others, the best player I've seen play live is Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima (The Phenom), when he played for Barcelona he was untouchable, greatest striker of all time in my book. It's a shame injury robbed him towards the end of his career, but he could still go to a world cup after not playing properly for nearly two years and win the golden boot. He is also another reason for my utter hatred and contempt for the imposter Ronaldo, because of that arrogant p***k, the greatest striker ever is referred to as Fat Ronaldo, it disgusts me

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26 Jun 2015 14:10:48
Maradona, Pele, Messi in that order. Would always find a place in my top 10 for Van Basten too. A joy to watch.

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25 Jun 2015 17:39:47
With the looks that Sterling will move in, you said in past posts that Cheryshev may be considered. Do you still see this as a legit possibility or does all this new Pedro talk trump C-Shev?

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{Ed002's Note - Probably not any longer.}

25 Jun 2015 23:29:39
Is this because we signed firmino or something different

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25 Jun 2015 21:58:05
Do you take the Pedro talks as rubbish as well? I am surprised there are any murmurs at all considering he signed the contract. I guess they will throw out any names for like-for-like swaps

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26 Jun 2015 04:32:42
We have enough cover if Sterling leaves. The club have already signed 6 players and a striker is all we need. Anything more than that would be a luxury and waste of money imo. Where exactly would this new winger that everyone wants play? Or would people prefer o see Coutinho or Firmino parked on the bench to accomodate this winger? Rather give Ibe and Markovic a chance than fill an already over bloated squad.

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26 Jun 2015 10:05:54
We need a goalie. Lloris would be boss though Spurs are going to ask for stupid money so impossible.

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25 Jun 2015 21:26:51
So not too long ago, people were wanting Konoplyanka but since the arrival of Firmino he's hasn't really been mentioned.
So who still wants him now?

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25 Jun 2015 21:46:06
Bit of a daft post. no one thought firmino was possible

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25 Jun 2015 21:56:38
Sterling has to go. If Markovic goes on loan and they manage Ibe correctly by graduating him and starting in cup games etc, he is only 18/19 and there is already a lot starting to build a weight on him. Just protective I guess, then Kono on a free is a no brainer. What can go wrong? He doesn't work out we sell him, anything is then a profit.

Just remember we have 4 competitions next season, it only takes an injury to Firmino and suddenly we are short or depending on an 18 year old. Lallana hasn't completed 90 minutes has he yet?

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25 Jun 2015 22:37:12
How's it a daft post? I'm asking who wants kono now!

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25 Jun 2015 23:30:36
Then Milner plays out on the wide. He's not only been signed for his hard work ethic, but also versatility. I know you'd ideally want some tricky pacey winger there, but you could do a lot worse than Milner on the wing. No need for Kono now imo.

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25 Jun 2015 23:55:52
It's daft because one was on a free - attainable and the other wasn't someone anyone we realistically thought we had a chance of getting. People wanted kono because we almost got him prior, he's out of contract and he could potentially improve the first team. Bar a class striker we have plenty of options attacking wise now so I'm guessing not many would want kono now. Can't believe I actually had to explain that.

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26 Jun 2015 00:05:13
Max as it stands we have between strikers and attacking mids: couts, lallana, Ibe, sturridge, Ings, borini, lambert, firmino, markovic, Ings, balotelli, Sinclair, yesil, Luis Alberto Potentially 2 more coming in ( striker and kovacic) plus Milner can be used as an attacking mid/ winger. Understand some will leave but that's currently up to 17 spots for about 4 or 5 spots in the team I don't think kono on a big signing on fee and wage is a ' no brainer'. Maybe we spend that money on someone that can actually challenge our keeper for the one spot.

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26 Jun 2015 00:07:32
Let's further piss off our youth players by bringing in another squad player.

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26 Jun 2015 00:21:32
Nobody. Why? He has signed for no one.

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25 Jun 2015 20:48:23
Did you watch Danny Ings last night for the U21s. Yeh?. Well gOod luck with that one

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25 Jun 2015 20:53:13
No but I've watched him score loads of goals in the Prem.

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25 Jun 2015 21:13:10
Even if you don't think he will turn out a decent signing it is the sign of moron to judge a player based upon one game, a game for England U21's at that.

If I had never seen Harry Kane play before yesterday I might have said the same thing were I as shortsighted as you!

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25 Jun 2015 21:14:32
Sorry how much have you been paying Falcao?

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25 Jun 2015 21:14:53
By the way the 0 in g0od was for zero quality. lol

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25 Jun 2015 21:44:42
Ooh. Good comeback. It wasn't witty but keep working on it and soon you might be promoted to halfwit.

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25 Jun 2015 21:57:41
Ooo very clever(not)! It just made you look dull mate.
Do you see the fee for ings? It's roughly £5m and what was Di Maria? £59.7m I believe. On that logic he must be 12 times better than Ings but in actual fact Ings had a better season than him despite being in a club that got relegated!
Don't cry about it too much now! Just go back to your site with your tail between your legs!

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{Ed007's Note - I think 1x1 is a Southampton fan.}

25 Jun 2015 22:03:07
Hang on😁he's a saints fan not a Utd fan! Whoops!

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25 Jun 2015 22:18:00
Always good when you have to explain your p0sts. Pr!ck

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25 Jun 2015 22:19:22
Who is the new prat on the block?

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25 Jun 2015 22:21:07
Some dreadful comebacks there 1x1, leaves a lot to be desired.

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25 Jun 2015 21:58:20
Guess you must be a little nervous and have spent time worrying about us to have to come on here and rubbish players. Classy

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25 Jun 2015 22:26:19
What a douche none of them stood out and as mentioned look how many harry Kane scored the season gone. From a team that paid falcao nearly £300 grand a week for how many goals, and moaning about scousers when your captain is one. Think he would be more intelligent if a lobotomy was performed

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25 Jun 2015 22:27:02
It wasn't a 0 it was a capital "O"
When you're in a hole.

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25 Jun 2015 22:33:43
Lay off the ale It didn't agree with you soft lad

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{Ed007's Note - I've just had a flashback of Barry Grant :)

25 Jun 2015 23:33:10
Don't bring up the Falcao jokes. I actually feel sorry for United in that respect. If my drug dealer sold me a load of overpriced Colombian carp, I'd be annoyed too.

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25 Jun 2015 23:20:38
Thanks for pointing that out to my dull mate!!!!!!!

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26 Jun 2015 00:19:21
Didn't realise Southampton had fans, thought all they had was a good academy.

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26 Jun 2015 00:21:48
I agree EpicPotato, I hate to overpay for my Colombian carp, its expensive enough importing it and trying to keep it fresh without having to overpay too! Sometimes carp from closer to home tastes just as good.

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25 Jun 2015 20:45:05
Wtf please god not Benteke. Best way too take the smile, youve just given all the fans away.

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25 Jun 2015 20:25:44
Hi,
Southampton fan here.
I would just like to say thanks for all the dosh you keep sending our way!!!!
Brenda must be absolutely clueless in the transfer market but we love him down here,!

You keep buying our mediocre players allowing us to buy better !,

I can see you lot achieving our best position of 7th next year and us progressing as we have year on year for the past six years and attaining your position from this year.

Our board and manager have progression set in their hearts.

Come on you Saints.
Fell free to leave your replys

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25 Jun 2015 20:50:22
Not a fan of llallana or Clyne?

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25 Jun 2015 20:56:09
Nice of you to get them ready for us. That Koeman look alright, might give you a bell about him next summer. And how much for your South Coast weather? Anything happened in Southampton in the last century by the way?

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25 Jun 2015 21:05:03
What a Berk!

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25 Jun 2015 21:15:07
By the way, 7th wasn't your "best ever" position. You finished as runner up in the old Division 1 in 1983-84. You might want to check who won the league that year.

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25 Jun 2015 21:18:25
Oh he s a saint. Apologies struggle to banter with a club whose done nothing and will be lucky to finish 7th next season and the next hundred.

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25 Jun 2015 21:23:33
A couple of 6th place finishes and your on the big boys page nah mate we are not Brendan so send your frustrations to his website, and just remember on your way to your 6th place finish we beat you twice. Your in the wrong the place sunny, little ones can't dine with giants. Don't wastes your time lads he just wants someone to talk too have you been to the Southampton rumours page, and remember we've brought 4 of yours now one more and we get one free. Loooooooool

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25 Jun 2015 21:24:09
Lallana was the best player to wear a Southampton shirt since big Matt himself so have some respect to a player who basically put yous where yous are

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25 Jun 2015 21:25:42
Berk !! :-)

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25 Jun 2015 21:55:59
Dezy deny dezy??? Just where do you get of huh?????
Lala had one good season for us and that was in the prem the others were mediocre in a mediocre side.
The money you paid us was f&£n incredible for a one trick pony. As you well know

Sterling. Giants???? Haha you ain't been that since I was a kid in the 70s so don't start kidding yourself and getting yourself all frustrated because Man U are much bigger than you will ever be

User 013. Yeh we came second in 84 not bad for a tiny side in a league of so called GIANTS eh?? You make me laugh, we are up and coming because you buy our rubbish I we we buy talent with you money,,,,,!!!!

Come on boys I'm sure you can do better than that

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25 Jun 2015 22:03:08
Come on guys let's not lay into Saints because of one moron, they're a great club let's not forget that over some crap banter

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25 Jun 2015 22:08:24
Hey Timo
I've just read your last 5 posts. It really seems to me that you are on my side !!!
Haha you do make me laugh
God bless

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25 Jun 2015 22:33:14
Why is he a berk? You signed 2 of their 'best' players last year and yet you went backwards and only finished 2 points above them. If anyone is a berk it is the incredibly talented Manager Rodgers. Out of interest, how long is it since the mighty 'Pool' won the league? Let me help you, currently 25 years and counting. There are fans alive today who don't realise Liverpool used to be a big club: they see you and Southampton fighting for 5th/6th and think is normal. I guess it is nowadays.

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25 Jun 2015 23:08:30
it must be so annoying that one team can just pick you apart like that could you afford to buy our players at that rate no you cant, your the sponsored charity we pay to help, your not a big club I'm afraid, don't believe me ask Schneiderlin.

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25 Jun 2015 23:00:58
We ain't been giants since blah blah blah tell that too the media mate and while we are on the subject you've never been giants full stop, you ask us to do better on our comments I ask you to do better in the trophy room, when's the last time you had something to celebrate your on top of the world right now because you finished 7th says a lot really, you then celebrate united triumphs as though i'm your a Manc like I said before your a Southampton fan just happy to be at the big boys table trouble is in terms of club recognition your still a midget, please stop embarrassing yourself you couldn't beat us, remember that screamer coutinho scored at Mary's that must if burned but what a goal.

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26 Jun 2015 00:15:12
12m for Shane Long
10m for Fraser Forster
12m for Pablo Osvaldo
12m for Gaston Ramirez
12m for Victor Wanyama
Pipe down mate.

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25 Jun 2015 22:42:33
God I hope we don't sound like that on city / Chelsea pages !!

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{Ed007's Note - *whistles nonchalantly*

26 Jun 2015 00:26:52
Your up and coming because the "rubbish" we bought got you their. Other than that his posts have made my night. Very bitter person :)

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25 Jun 2015 20:24:07
Question for all fans. Who would you back to be the most successful next season?
Ings or Origi?

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25 Jun 2015 20:46:10
Ings has prem experience and really good movement. Not a natural finisher, but with and players like Couts and Firmino behind he should see enough chances to have a decent season. Origi is not ready for major minutes in the prem.

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25 Jun 2015 21:00:25
Ings 100%

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25 Jun 2015 22:34:24
I like Ings and think he has huge potential, but I worry about his bottle. It will be interesting see whether he blossoms or freezes.

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25 Jun 2015 22:50:51
Ings. Truth be told, I'm unconvinced by Origi so far, but will still be behind him 100% whilst he's wearing a LFC shirt. Hope they both do well.

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26 Jun 2015 09:05:54
Can't see either starting much as things stand but Ings being more up to speed on EPL suggests he'll do better.

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26 Jun 2015 10:09:57
Ings. I reckon Origi will be going out on loan again.

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25 Jun 2015 20:18:35
I strongly believe top management related to club has viewed our banter page, which seems to be the reason for change in transfer policy.

Obviously they are also taking care of Brodgers too.

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25 Jun 2015 20:18:35
Hey eds,
Just read further down you saying that Paco is being considered for the AM job. do you think he is eyeing the managers job in a few years maybe? Certainly is strange he would be willing to come back as an AM?
Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - I would think he would want to be manager in time yes.}

25 Jun 2015 21:29:07
Stevie as number 2!

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25 Jun 2015 20:08:29
Is anyone else still baffled by the persistent benteke links.
Pretty much all the reliable journos are still saying he's our number one striker target.
We've made great strides in the transfer market but what's the point in having coutinho & firminho if they've got a pole for a striker who's just been criticized by the Belgium manager for "standing there like a pole and doing nothing" in his last international game.
Hope the club have something else up there Sleeve.

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25 Jun 2015 20:32:33
There are very very few realiable journos, I know only two. Most are just trying to generate traffic for their respective organisations instead of reporting real stories

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25 Jun 2015 20:37:44
Hopefully Villa stick to their guns and say they want 35 million or he's not leaving and touch wood we want a striker in ASAP rather than doing what we did last summer and let it rumble on. I think Firmino, Bacca and Kovacic in one window is unlikely but we need a top striker like Bacca the most I feel, Lucas, Can, Henderson, Milner are all good enough and then that's ignoring Allen, Coutinho and Lallana being able to play centrally and other youth prospects

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25 Jun 2015 19:50:23
Although i like some of the players we're signing and being linked with, seeing how in every year Rodgers has been at the club we've signed at least 7 players per summer, it does worry me that someone at the club isn't doing there job properly. Wether it is poor scouting, coaching or spending to much on players, it's not good for building a squad and finding genuine continuity. At least we're doing our buisness early and relatively hassle free this summer. (Besides kovacic).

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25 Jun 2015 19:33:57
Clyne > Shaw

That said, why are we buying so many English players? It's not like England is known for producing exceptional footballers

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25 Jun 2015 20:34:20
I've pondered that very question myself. We can't even say that they are easier to adapt either since we've seen Carroll, downing, johnson, and to a lesser extent llallana and lambert struggle to adapt even when moving within the same league

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25 Jun 2015 21:29:56
In all honesty I can't say I've really seen him play. So can't really say anything. If we do sign him though I hope he will be more of a success than Johnson was.

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25 Jun 2015 21:45:43
I thought Johnson gave us a few good years. Yeah turned into porridge later but wouldn't say he was a waste. Each to there own and all that.

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25 Jun 2015 22:32:11
At least if they're a success they'll have resell value

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26 Jun 2015 02:11:48
When Arsenal were dominant did they not have an entire back five largely consisting of Englishmen?

When Chelsea became champions of England and Europe did they not rely on Terry, Cole and Lampard?

When SAF's United were dominant did they not have an English spine in the team?

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26 Jun 2015 04:45:09
Random Red, Wisdom > Clyne > Shaw. Wisdom is the better defender, that should be the key for any defender.

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26 Jun 2015 09:08:17
Would guess buying more English players because need them in squad for potential regs. Also Terry has been praised as key to Chelsea this year (with a little Belgian help) and we're not exactly doing great with non lots of non English either.

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25 Jun 2015 18:57:08
Hi Ed 001, fantastic job here! I have been reading your posts for a while. I have read how you feel about Clyne being another Johnson. How do you rate Cédric Soares? who is a lot cheaper than Clyne. Do we need to spend all that on a guy, who is keeping the spot warm?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't think he is as bad as Johnson, he is defo a step up, but I am worried that he will struggle if he is not given the same protection he had at Southampton. Before he joined Saints, lots of clubs looked at him and then did nothing over fears of his ability to defend. It is difficult to see how that will have improved considering he was given such excellent protection in Saints' system, but I really hope I am wrong.
As for Cedric Soares, I have not seen him play sorry.}

25 Jun 2015 19:07:44
Lucas can give decent protection if he plays

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25 Jun 2015 19:21:20
Last season, Clyne and Zabaleta were the 2 fullbacks who made the most tackles on average per game. The difference between Johnson and Clyne is Johnson couldn't be arsed to defend and even when he could he wasn't any good at it. Clyne can defend and is good at it. As ed says, they need the right protection, but don't all defenders? A poor midfield will make any defence look poor (as we have witnessed over the past few seasons).

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25 Jun 2015 19:30:40
I reckon that if we play 4-2-3-1 then Milner will play wide right, thus gibing Clyne considerable protection.

Just my thoughts!

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25 Jun 2015 19:35:42
Ed001, would you say if Clyne were to come in that would spell the end of manquillo at the club? Not that he played much of a part anyway.

I can see wisdom being used as right back as a squad player and Flanagan at left back if he can get fit.

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25 Jun 2015 20:36:20
I love it . As a Saints fan you lot have bought another mediocre player from us allowing us to strengthen at the same time.
Thanks to Jaamie Carragher for turning Clynes head toward you lot . Cheers Brenda!!

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25 Jun 2015 20:39:54
I think as a unit if the press is on from the forwards as it could be with say bacca firmino and u got Milner Henderson coutinho etc , it houses teams in more anyway . So the need for a dm might not be as desired as such although u wouldn't say no

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25 Jun 2015 20:45:32
I bet you wasn't saying that Clyne was mediocre last season.

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25 Jun 2015 21:00:43
As if there's a saints fan trying to take the piss, how we have fallen lol

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25 Jun 2015 21:02:28
Nothing wrong with the old glen Johnson!! Top bloke and cracking player. Was a bit half arsed for last couple years tho but before that great rb.

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25 Jun 2015 21:10:55
Has he really been that bad? I have watched him, I know he does get caught out a lot. He does like to wonder a bit much. But with some good coaching, that can be worked on. He can improve his defensive skills. He does have the potential. Would you say Clyne has the potential to improve into a better defender?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, hopefully he will get that with us.}

25 Jun 2015 21:54:31
With Brendan teaching him the art of defending anything is possible.

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25 Jun 2015 22:08:24
Ed, if we were to play Ilori and Sakho/Lovren and Lucas at DM (if Rodgers wakes up) that would go someway to alleviate the gaps made by Moreno and Clyne getting so high up the pitch given the pace of our CBs.

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25 Jun 2015 17:52:35
Curious if any of the Eds have any insight into who is selecting the players we are buying? Is it BR, the committee, other? The targets overall seem much better in terms of fit and quality than we seem to have seen in the past and the club seems generally more aggressive with the approaches they are taking- not complaining about it, mind.

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{Ed001's Note - as I said yesterday, I have no idea who is doing all this.}

25 Jun 2015 19:08:54
It's super Ian ayre behind this.
Btw ED001 you surprised mate at how suddenly we are completing transfers in a jiffy efficiently and without any drama?

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{Ed001's Note - shocked mate, I normally expect it all to go wrong and am very rarely disappointed in that front!}

25 Jun 2015 19:15:03
Ed001

I smell a conspiracy theory . Ayre has been cloned

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{Ed001's Note - I think that would lead to the end of the world if there were two Ian Ayres. The world just couldn't handle it.}

25 Jun 2015 19:15:41
It seams to me as if one person is doing the selecting of players. Whoever that might be but by the speed of things surely it's just one person?!?

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25 Jun 2015 20:05:48
Cmon lads Ian had taken a bit of stick over the years and rightly so on some occasions. But let's not forget he was a man who went against the Hicks and Gillett regime and for that we got to be thankful.

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25 Jun 2015 20:10:15
Ed001Nah mate. The world only has to deal with one . The other one's locked with Rodgers in J.W.H's closet. 😂😂

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{Ed001's Note - are you trying to tell us something? If Ayre is about to come out the closet I would like to volunteer my services as a shoulder for his missus to cry on.....}

25 Jun 2015 20:23:42
{Ed001's Note - are you trying to tell us something? If Ayre is about to come out the closet I would like to volunteer my services as his first male experience}

Ha sorry Ed when I first started reading that I thought you were just about to tell us you have come out!! Now that's one the Mrs could get angry with you about!!

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{Ed001's Note - she doesn't need any excuses mate.}

25 Jun 2015 20:24:17
Thanks, Ed001- missed your comments yesterday. Whatever group or person is making the decisions, they seem to be doing a credible job so hope it continues.

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25 Jun 2015 20:38:18
Mrs ayre good looking ed?

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{Ed001's Note - she is hot enough it would be worth getting grief off the missus for 'taking care' of her!}

25 Jun 2015 20:42:06
I'd rather henry came out. I'd be more interested in lending henrys wife a shoulder. On second consideration I'd be willing to lend anything to Henry's wife

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{Ed001's Note - the only thing she might consider lending you is 50p...}

26 Jun 2015 00:37:06
Aye as if JWHenrys wife carrys around coins

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25 Jun 2015 18:16:36
Have to say happy with the business done already. Clyne is a great signing for 12.5m considering Luke shaw cost £30m. Team line up next season looking exciting already. Ings could be the real bargain with coutinho and firminho behind him until Sturridge is fit. If we can get Bacca as well then we will look a decent outfit. Can, henderson and Milner in midfield. Back 4 still concerns me but clyne is a welcome addition. Paco at number 2 will bring his experience to improve them anyway. as for sterling. 50m thank you very much

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25 Jun 2015 18:44:52
Id like to see Illori partner Sakho next season with Clyne & Moreno either side.

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25 Jun 2015 19:22:04
I'd go with that BigD!

Red Rum

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25 Jun 2015 19:52:53
Big d, tgat defence would leak goals.

Far too much inexperience.

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25 Jun 2015 20:25:01
I can't believe I am agreeing with Davey, but I think that defense put forward by Big D will concede a lot IMO, at least initially.

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25 Jun 2015 21:52:38
To be fair it's done that the last two seasons so it's worth a shot.

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25 Jun 2015 17:52:18
Arsenal will have made the signing of the summer in petr cech. Arsenal now have a top class keeper for atleast the next five years.
I raved about him for the entire year hoping he would be a red but it was never on the cards.
fans take for granted the importantance of a quailty keep keeper that we ourselves are missing.

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25 Jun 2015 20:05:16
Been on the United page again AL? :)

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25 Jun 2015 20:39:24
Yes chappers
United Page was lacking abit of spark.

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25 Jun 2015 17:51:47
Eds is there a possibility sterling could sign a new contract and stay if he feels happy with our signings and feels we are progressing? Or is he already gone?

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{Ed001's Note - he is not staying.}

25 Jun 2015 18:14:54
I think that'll come as a relief for most Ed!

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25 Jun 2015 18:17:52
Let it go, bro. Sterling`s gone .

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25 Jun 2015 19:29:04
I wouldn't particularly want him to stay either but stranger things have happened

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25 Jun 2015 21:37:51
In all fairness if City don't match our valuation he might stay. Don't get me wrong I'd rather he went, but all I mean is I don't see any other club interested enough to pay the fee.

Chelsea won't go above 40 million apparently. Real don't seem interested nor Arsenal. We wouldn't sell to United so options are scarce. I hope they offer the 50 million next time and we take it otherwise we could be stuck with him

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25 Jun 2015 17:29:19
It may already have been posted, but that no look basketball kick is incredible!

If that was done of the pitch, it might catch a number of GKs unawares, not least hindering them by having a basketball hoop in front of their goal ;-)

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25 Jun 2015 18:06:27
Don't mention basketball, baseball or any of that stuff on here please !
Haha.

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25 Jun 2015 18:58:57
I would be intrigued to have a discussion about NBA, NFL or MLB with anyone from the UK, but I can understand why you wouldn't want that on the site!

NBA Draft's tonight, by the way. ;)

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{Ed001's Note - we do have sites for all 3 sports, though the NFL one has never taken off for some reason.}

25 Jun 2015 20:06:31
Odd considering NFL makes the biggest effort to come to England! Course they keep sending the awful Raiders and Buccaneers! Thx ed001 have to look into that

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate. You don't even need to make a new profile to use your name on there mate.}

25 Jun 2015 20:15:49
Abit of bengal after watching the show on 5!

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25 Jun 2015 17:21:49
The recent window in which we did not change much resulted in a high finish. I recall only Sakho and Mignolet being purchased for the starting 11. The rest of the additions were used to bulk up our squad, many of whom failed to make an impact. But the point is, I am worried that by changing too much, we will have another season in transition, this one probably resulting in a sacking for someone we love to hate. When a new manager will come in this season or the next, I expect more changes. This window is no quick fix, or even a fix at all. I feel that by having a manager on the edge of a sacking when going into a new season, we are guaranteed a wasted few years if the team doesn't gel. Thoughts?

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25 Jun 2015 17:28:04
I was thinking the same to be honest mate. Especially after Brendan said that he didn't expect much. Only expecting one after Clyne now and that the CF we have been craving. Not sure if we will follow up on Kovicac considering we have spent a pretty penny already although of players leave ie Alan/Lucas we should definitely go back for him. Well done to FSG for making the deals happen very happy with the window so far.

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25 Jun 2015 17:29:05
Good players will adapt, good players will be able to play side by side quickly and without fuss. It's football at the end of the day and, except with the cases of youngsters moving to new countries (new culture, language, other hurdles) there shouldn't really be an issue in my opinion. It was the quantity of the players we bought last season that was the problem but the quality.

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25 Jun 2015 17:50:05
Don't forget you'll have the Sterling cash to spend

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25 Jun 2015 17:58:17
Taking the signings at face value you would expect milner to slot straight in as will Clyne. Ings I imagine will come off the bench and firmino will work alongside his international team mate so I have everything crossed that we hit the ground running. Fantastic window so far. A blend of experience and potential bloody chuffed!

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25 Jun 2015 18:14:39
I don't agree. Johnson & Gerrard were regulars when we finished 2nd and have to be replaced. Sterling has forced a move so he has to be replaced. Sturridge is always injured so we know we need a top quality and reliable goalscorer. So that's four starting places that simply have to be covered, its not like we created this whole scenario through poor planning (apart from buying unsuitable strikers perhaps). No one can tell me that Clyne, Milner, Firmino & possibly Bacca aren't an improvement on the players they're replacing (based on their 2014/15 form). I also think Liverpool will be well placed after this window in terms of the next few years. We will have a squad with an average age of 24 so most of our squad building will have been done before prices increase again due to the TV money hike. We should (hopefully) only be buying 1 or 2 quality players each year at that point (plus youngsters to hedge) And some of the players who are in the miss/maybe pile at the moment (Moreno, Lovren & Lallana) should be much better in their second season. Admittedly a lot of "ifs" but we might just have played a blinder this summer so long as the books are balanced with sales.

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25 Jun 2015 18:15:10
This transition myth needs to dissappear, it's the 21st century and every other team managed to chop and change playing staff on a yearly basis and still have success, barca, Madrid, Chelsea, one could even argue United in recent years.

There's no such thing as transition in my opinion unless you literally replace every single player coach and manager. The club should have a plan in place to integrate players seamlessly without this need for a year of adjustment excuse.

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25 Jun 2015 18:19:23
At least, we will have most of them for the first day of preseason training which will be a huge plus

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25 Jun 2015 18:36:54
My take on the transferwindow so far:
I THINK that the review has had some consequences to the way we deal with transfers. The sacking of Pascoe and not extending the Marsh contract (it was very much expected that he would offered a new contract) has send out a signal to the rest of the staff - Do your job properly, or you will get sacked. I also THINK that the owners want to send a statement of intend to other clubs (and supporters), that we´re still a force to be reckoned with, hence we have signed quality players. It is also important that we buy quality to lure other quality players.

Yes we have signed a lot of players, but we have also lost some important players

Jones - Bogdan
Gerrard - Milner
Johnson - Clyne
Sterling (I expect him to leave) - Firmino
Skrtel (It seems like he will leave) - Gomes
Aspas - Origi
Borini - Ings

I do understand your concerns about us still being in a transition state. The owners were promised CHL within 3 seasons, and the 4th season are about to begin and we haven´t qualified for CHL. A lot of promises have been made from BR, and few have been fulfilled. I think that the owners are fed up with BR, and they are trying to show him who is in charge, by taking away his closest allies. They still have some faith in him as he hasn´t been sacked, but now he doesn´t has any excuses, as he has been provided with quality players and quality coaches. I also believe that the head coach and the asst manager will be given more influence compared to Marsh and Pascoe. So he has to perform or else he will get sacked. I could imagine that Pako would be reinstated as asst manager, and if Rodgers doesn´t work out, then Pako would be able to take over.

Again, it´s only my take on it, and I´m sure that the real story is far from what I just described.

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25 Jun 2015 18:55:43
Boom! - Do you not think Sterling is already replaced with Markivic, Lallana & Ibe out wide and Firmino & Coutinho or Lallana through the middle?

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25 Jun 2015 19:56:42
I don't think that this window is a statement of intent from the owners - I mean, who ever does that? Most of you agree with the fact that last season and departures mean necessary purchases, but I believe that both Milner and Firminho could have been avoided to push for a big name striker - The Lacazette we all crave. Money talks, and city/PSG have shown that over recent years. If the wage structure at the club is broken for such a player, then so be it. I may be paraphrasing ED001 but I remember him saying that none of the signings really improve the starting 11. The biggest goals of the window were to get a proven goalscorer, a central midifelder and to offload the players who don't have a chance at games. Purchases so far are just bulking up the squad. Milner gives experience, but Can probably has the ability to do better. Markovic, Ibe, Lallana could all fill in for Sterling. It feels good to acquire a player like Firmino and soon Clyne, but these purchases are not sustainable due to lack of academy chances and the focus away from the real issues of the squad last year.

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25 Jun 2015 20:12:52
Gerrard and Johnson were not worthy of being in our starting eleven last year and cost tons of wages. our team improves because they are no longer options

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25 Jun 2015 20:35:36
AndyM - in answer to your question, no. I sort of understand what you mean but Markovich & Ibe are not going to contribute at Sterlings level just yet. I agree with Ed01 that Marko needs a loan as there no point being a bench warmer. Therefore it's vital (given our lack of goals last season) that we buy "guaranteed" scorers. Even at the price we paid for Firmino he's a smart purchase as he's likely to worth 40-50m if he rips it up in the FAPL.

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25 Jun 2015 21:40:03
#Piledriver

Lacazette was turned down by BR last year (according to an old answer from ed001). Now he is unattainable. I am quite surprised that he hasn´t been sold yet. At the moment I don´t believe that there are many attainable strikers who would improve us.

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25 Jun 2015 16:52:15
Ed With the liverpool international football academy, I assume we have a contract with franchiser/s to give updates on any promising kids? Has there been any that have moved into our own set up? Also how much does it cost to get a franchise - looked online but could not find out. Would also be be interested on your view of these academias, if they are good commercial ventures, good for talent spotting etc.

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any moving to England although I recall a little while back that several had come over for a week to have a look around and to be looked at.}

25 Jun 2015 17:04:03
The franchises offer more to the nation in which they are situated in rather than LFC, especially if they are situated at a place where football is struggling. Someone I know works for the LFC International football academy in India; they partnered with a local club, DSK Shivajians, and have been doing some good work. LFC send coaches to India to work with an U19 team which participate in the youth league system in India. Incidentally, last season was DSK-LFCs first season in the league, and they made it to the final round. I hear a number of those kids at the academy has interested the AIFFs U19 team, which won the league last year.

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{Ed002's Note - You are right, these are good systems and local benefits will always be there regardless of whether any player makes it through to play for Liverpool. It is good to see the major English sides doing this.}

25 Jun 2015 18:07:16
thanks Ed and AJ

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25 Jun 2015 16:47:46
I can safely say i'd be lost without this site and the eds, the frustration of not having an outlet to express yourself as a fan is never a good feeling, but since I've been a member here I'm always in the know, thank you eds your some special people.( and no this can't be lip kssing because it's true).

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25 Jun 2015 17:30:22
Can't be lip kissing because its ass kissing lol. your right pal I'm just playing

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25 Jun 2015 16:25:12
ed002 do liverpool still want kovacic? and what do u believe we have to do to get the deal done?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine - I explained the situation earlier.}

25 Jun 2015 16:54:37
There is still a need for a Kovacic type player. Yes, Firmino, Milner and Clyne all improve the starting team, but central midfield has been a major weak point in recent years.

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{Ed002's Note - I think there is every chance that Milner will play there. If a deal can be done for Kovacic then it will be, but right now there is an issue that needs resolving as I have explained.}

25 Jun 2015 17:19:08
whats said issue ed?

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{Ed002's Note - The same as I have explained. Terms for payment.}

25 Jun 2015 16:13:42
Eds, Of the u21 and u19 teams which players in your opinion have a chance of getting game time next season?

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{Ed001's Note - with the number of players we are buying, it is hard to see any of them getting a real run unless we have an injury crisis.}

25 Jun 2015 16:50:25
IMO it would be best sending the most promising kids out on loan.

Getting the odd cameo for us isn't going to help them.

lets get them out to championship teams and see if they can make it there first.

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25 Jun 2015 16:09:05
If we tie up Clyne, Bacca, Kovacic, Lijnders (sp?), Pako and sell Allen and Skrtel by the end of this (or next!) month I'd be over the moon.

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25 Jun 2015 16:43:29
No Messi or Ronaldo? You sure seem easy to please.

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25 Jun 2015 17:23:44
I posted almost the exact same post yesterday but only asked for bacca. Your eyes are bigger than your belly

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25 Jun 2015 17:32:47
Zpecialone is bang on the money Fuzz don't think he/she's aiming outside the realms of possibility.

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25 Jun 2015 18:39:09
#JQLFC96

aiming is one thing, FFP is another.

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25 Jun 2015 21:59:45
Not if we can get the fees we are looking for for our sales or close at least. We have also shed a lot off the wages and we haven't even sold anyone yet. Ffp will be relaxed or done away with I think. I really can't see it keeping up, also TV deals are keeping heads above water. I maybe wrong but I'm not an accountant and if the board are spending they are spending because they know they can. It's not up to fans to worry where the money is coming from we pay people to do that.

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25 Jun 2015 16:07:22
you're a negative tool mate that knows best because you put 'fact' on the end of something! i have never read anything positve from you and you will find something new to complain about!!

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25 Jun 2015 16:27:26
ok so who was that directed at lol

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25 Jun 2015 16:51:33
Resorting to name calling now are we? I have my doubts about Clyne, does that make me negative or just cautious about his abilities? He is not very good defensively and never has been. I get your all excited about so many signings and going with the flow but that does not mean the minority who are worried about the players needing time to bed in or not being exactly suitable for our style of play are idiots. I have my doubts about Clyne and i will be more than happy to be proven wrong by him but after last season i'm not going to get my hopes up. Oh and if u think i never post anything positive, try reading some of my thoughts on Ibe and the many brilliant young players in the LFC academy and my hopes that they get a fair chance at the club. People have different opinions and u should respect that than call them tools.

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25 Jun 2015 16:54:27
Not me. Fact!

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25 Jun 2015 17:11:44
Not skinny, Fat!

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25 Jun 2015 17:15:35
this was meant to be a reply to another post that was just fill of negativity! The thing is Buzzer i have read your post quite often and that's what made reply to you. When you are critical to a player tha hasn't even signed yet makes me wonder what chance they have when they actually sign!!

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25 Jun 2015 17:32:49
U do realize opinions on a player can change over time right? I just think Clyne was not what we needed at this point of time. I would have gone with a more defensive minded full back or just given Wisdom first dibs for the RB position. If Clyne comes good, i will have no problem admitting i was wrong. Its time the club started looking at players with defensive instincts as well.

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25 Jun 2015 17:37:07
Buzzer clyne was one of the best in his position last season. He needs no time to adapt and is much better than our next option of wisdom who in fairness plays out right because he can't play his natural position of CB. What available RB would you have got?? Or maybe if his name was Clyneinho he would be more appealing.

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25 Jun 2015 18:22:53
In fairness Clyne looks a lot better than he is because Southampton are so well drilled as a team, particularly in defence. He is an improvement at RB but not by much and his positioning, like Moreno's, will give us issues (should we sign him). Not trying to be negative, but fans don't need to bow down and worship a player just because we buy him, giving an honest assessment is no sin.

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25 Jun 2015 18:36:29
If Indian buzzer has concerns about a player`s ability to defend, how does that make him negative? Does he not have a right to post them and debate them or is this forum only reserved for the "forever positive no matter what" fans alone? The thing is that even I have the very same concerns and so do many on here including Ed01 so i guess he`s clueless and negative as well, right? NONESENSE! No one has said Clyne wasn`t a good player. All we are saying is that parts of his game concern us and need to be looked at, end of. The reason why is that he plays in a system where he is well protected by Wanyama when he bombs forward and if you play a system with Allen at DM then he will look woeful just as Lovren was last season because he had NO protetion in front of him especially when BR the geinus, put Allen or SG in front of him. And yes, his one on one defending needs a LOT of work, too. These are valid concerns being aired in the hiope that something can be done and not a slight at a player who we all want to succeed in the end. Hence, stop the self-righteous rubbish and quit calling people negative or haters or telling people what and hot to post their comments just because they have the courage to air their views and disagreements with your comments.

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25 Jun 2015 18:54:11
He's a neggie alright

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25 Jun 2015 19:42:49
I think he got to be an improvement on Johnson. Plus he is loads younger so with decent coatchung he can only get better. Gerrard has gone so we won't be forced to play him in a DM role, as for Allen let's hope he does not get put there. All we can do is wait and see. Happy with everyone that's coming in though

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25 Jun 2015 15:58:38
Hey Ed, with all the news on incoming players, is their any news on outgoings? Maybe balotelli, markovic, (I would include sterling hut that's going to drag on it seems). After having spent all this money do we not need to sell?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have not yet spent any money and it is crtical they don't until after June 30. There has been a little incoming money from Aspas. There is nothing else new right now.}

25 Jun 2015 15:33:47
All of you FSG haters should be ashamed. The abuse aimed at the owners last week was pathetic. My personal favorite moronic statement was "they're just in this to make money." They've only lost money since investing in Liverpool. So, show some respect next time. They're once again digging deep; to be honest I'm worried about where all this money is coming from. I imagine sterling has to be sold at this point.

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25 Jun 2015 15:47:07
Agreed mate, utter knee jerk reactions after a poor season. They all loved fsg the year before.

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25 Jun 2015 15:50:49
FSG have always made money available to our managers. Very good owners.

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25 Jun 2015 16:02:30
And here's the thing: the only way they make money is by selling for a higher price than they bought us for. And they can only do that by increasing the value of the club. And, while they can and are doing some things on the commercial side, the only other way to increase the value of the club is to develop the stadium (good) and maximize TV revenues (which requires on field success).

So their incentives are absolutely aligned with the supporters.

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25 Jun 2015 16:04:04
Yes, Sterling has to be sold.

There will (probably) never stop being a widespread anti-American bias in the BPL, at least until our game has improved enough that you're forced to recognize our league as a legitimate 'top league'. This is 20+ years off, but viable considering the growth of the MLS in the last 10.

Therefore, the FSG haters will long continue. As long as you can recognize they are far better than the previous owners and have consistently spent big to make our squad better, you can have all the qualms you want about their dealings with the club. They aren't perfect, but I'd say they are doing a really good job this summer and long may it continue.

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25 Jun 2015 16:15:36
I'm glad we have good owners, glad they spend money each window. We could have had an Ashley. We're lucky. But with a low purchase price, plenty of sales income and still in debt, are they digging deep? They do own one of the biggest names in world football, would expect some investment to continue to win tournements.

Maybe I'm completely wrong, I'm sure more ITK and eds will know better. I don't in anyway hate FSG at all. I'm not ungrateful either. I just see it that the saved £200m on purchase price, a further £200m on four/five players sold plus more from others and reduced wage bill. aren't they just reinvesting what's been sold?

Even if this window they spend £80m. They will/have sold Coates, Aspas and Sterling for £50m combined. Still to sell Borini, Balotelli, Skrtel and Allen have been offered out, maybe others. Add the loss of two big wages and the £65k p/w Sterling didn't accept. Are they digging deep? Will they not be able to sell for twice what they paid when they do? I don't see abuse to question their motives behind owning us.

They say they're sports fans and winners. I hope they are and they have genuine love for LFC and will be here for many years and get the club debt free. But I have a feeling they're just business men.

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25 Jun 2015 16:30:40
Steady on lads, you're posting 9 days too early, haha.
FSG's approach, to date, has been more 'Revolution not Evolution".
It was never the Liverpool Way but it seems to be the American Way.
That's not being jingoistic, and maybe it is what is required as the game gets ever more global, but understand it is not a process without pain to a lot of LFC fans in the UK.

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25 Jun 2015 16:30:43
Before shooting from the hip TJRed, let's wait and see whether we get the striker we need. If we do it's been a good window but simmer down with the fan fair about the owners as I'll guarantee net spend won't be a great deal. Obviously Raheems gone, Borini, Coates, Aspas, maybe Skrtle and Allen, arguably £75-80 mill in the kitty there.

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25 Jun 2015 16:35:36
They probably see firmino to be sold in a few years for a tidy profit, hopefully he's good enough to be, but we are doing well enough for him to stay!

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25 Jun 2015 16:47:00
They have always provided money and that has never been the issue and those saying they`re in it for the money clearly have never taken a business class. You don`t get to where they are in business if you weren`t in it for the money. As for me, I agree that I lost some faith in them after deciding to keep BR after the shambles of last season. i just could not get around to believe that they would keep him YET sack his assistants as if they were the cullprits which they aren`t and I`m not the only one who thought that as even many on here, Ed01, and even SG couldn`t believe they went and he stayed. It seemed like a complete lack of ambition and illogical to do that. Having said all that, They are good owners who have poured money into the club and backed every manager so will never fault them for that. i just wish they were a bit more decisive on the BR issue. Anyway, we support our club and as long as we are progressing, that`s all that matters and if they sell in 2017 or whenever, well then, they sell.

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25 Jun 2015 17:04:16
The juicer, we need revolution as we've been left behind.

Good on the owners who are still learning.

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25 Jun 2015 17:18:05
What do you mean by they backed every manager?. They only had 3 and they sacked 2 of them, and you have kept on and on and on that they should sack the 3rd. So I wouldn't want to be backed by you if that is your idea of backing

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25 Jun 2015 17:25:32
To anyone who disses the owners

They saved us from bankruptcy

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25 Jun 2015 18:01:07
Davey, yes I agree with you but not a revolution every year, that was my point.
It's been chop / change since they took over.
At some point they have got to find some consistency surely.
If you look at LFC's Board of Directors for instance, how many of those are based in Liverpool ?
How many staff changes has there been ?
It seems like there's a disconnect, and with their inexperience of English football, it feels like they're still finding their feet.
Or maybe that's how it's going to be ; review and all change ?

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25 Jun 2015 18:39:12
64, pay attention! I meant that they have backed every manager under them financially which includes KK and BR. Roy was not their appointment BUT they still made funds available for the Suarez purchase. There, fixed it for ya!

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25 Jun 2015 15:32:13
Hello Eds, have city lodged a third bid for sterling or is it going to be lodged?

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{Ed002's Note - I understand, albeit from an unrelated agent, that a final bid is expected.}

25 Jun 2015 15:53:44
Thanks for the info eds!

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25 Jun 2015 16:47:37
And we better take the money and jet because they won`t be back if we reject them again

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25 Jun 2015 15:12:19
Goodness me!!

Ayre has bid and triggered Bacca's release clause figure.

What is going on with us this summer???

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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25 Jun 2015 15:25:14
When on earth have you seen this??

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25 Jun 2015 15:28:29
Where did you see this? Astonishing if true. Has ayre been replaced with a lookalike? 😂😂😂😂

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25 Jun 2015 15:55:11
I asked a similar question earlier. Had read in a few different bits of media and online gossip that Ayre was involved and in talks with him or his agent. I know bacca been done to death but Ayre in talks with him is new

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25 Jun 2015 16:05:30
Unless the Ed's confirm I'm not sure this is the situation.

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25 Jun 2015 16:48:36
Some in the media HAVE said that his release clause may have been activated so hopefully, he`s coming

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{Ed002's Note - It is of no consequences - it doesn't mean they have to sell unless it is an Iberian team. The only confirmed bid is from Roma and Monchi has made it clear that they would not sell without that price being matched. He also said a bunch of other stuff and the club have spoken with the player, who has re-iterated that he is happy.}

25 Jun 2015 17:36:46
release clauses only apply to teams in the same country. if you remember ed002 saying hoffenheim was willing to sell firmino because of the low release clause, they are worried teams in germany would try to buy him. but they are willing to sell to teams outside of germany as release clauses are of no relevance.

the only part that may be true is that we have bid. the release clause is of no relevance to us in reference to bacca.

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25 Jun 2015 18:40:10
You are correct Ed and Kaizer.

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25 Jun 2015 17:18:10
Hi ed002, have La Liga release clauses changed since we bid the mrf for Costa and it was accepted? Thanks for any info on this.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

25 Jun 2015 15:10:10
Firmino yesterday and now clyne today (pretty much) these transfers are being done quicker then on FIFA :)

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25 Jun 2015 15:08:09
Last summer we signed a big amount of players. That was spread across the summer with Lovren and Balotelli arriving quite late in the window, if I recall correct.

This summer we have 5 already, Clyne due any day (maybe) plus Kovacic bid is still on, Bacca or another striker. A couple more linked as well. After this, No more incomings, just players leaving.

So very similar in amount of new players.

Eds my question to your knowledge is, if we do sign up Clyne, Striker and another position. All in before our tour and all through our whole preseason. Would you expect this to have a massive impact on our season as a team, or does it really at this level not make that much difference?

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{Ed002's Note - Preseason will be the same whatever happens. Training, trying not to get injured in games, etc..}

25 Jun 2015 16:23:36
So having all recruits to settle together, more time to gel and a full preseason has no impact. ok thanks Ed.

Wonder why getting business done early and the preseason is important, must have misunderstood the idea.

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{Ed002's Note - They won't all be together. Hopeless.}

25 Jun 2015 22:01:33
Max if you already knew (or in this case, thought you knew) the answer then why did you ask the question? Kinda pathetic response from you mate.

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25 Jun 2015 14:46:30
Hi eds

Just wanted your opinion on our transfer dealings so far. Do you think the volume of player we are bringing in is healthy.

As much fun as it is seeing a signing a day I can't help feeling we would have been better maybe signing 2-3 players mainly to sort out our striker situation and giving wisdom/Markovic etc another season rather than signing a new team each summer

Cheers for your insight

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect there will be a number of younger players now considering their futures.}

25 Jun 2015 15:07:03
Markovic will definitely be p****d. Texiera will be loaned out for sure now. Wisdom's chances of playing regularly with Clyne on the way will be diminished and God knows what happens when Flanno also comes back from injury. Origi is another who will struggle for game time being 4th choice so hopefully a loan can be arranged for him. Same goes for Yesil. Hopefully Ilori is an exception and gets a fair shot and Skrtel leaves.

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25 Jun 2015 16:39:12
Wisdom will be cover for full back until flanno fit, then him left back competition and wisdom rb. The main problem is trying to bring in rossiter, ojo, origi and even ings if we have a fully fit squad. I know milner and ings were free and we had to be quick, but was it rushed! Although I would rather ings than origi.

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25 Jun 2015 16:50:12
Marko albeit good player, should never have been bought especially with Ibe raring to go hence, he is paying the price for someone else`s incompetence

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25 Jun 2015 17:39:06
Flanno's injury concerns are as bad as Kelly's were - don't hold your breath on a return, or at least a return to the form he displayed before his injury woes - Clyne might even be a Flanno replacement if the injury is as bad as I heard. I think Flanno is class and embodies everything good in his work ethic, desire and willingness to fight and improve - sadly his body may be letting him down.

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25 Jun 2015 14:11:40
Well seems clyne is done. Man are we in a hurry. Well done to Ayre. Looks like he has found new petrol for his harley seeing how quickly he is completing all these deals

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25 Jun 2015 14:04:04
It is just baffling how smooth this transfer window is going.

Usually LFC will mess the seller around, drag it out, lowball, look like a laughing stock etc and end up stuffing up the deals completely.

Obviously there was an issue regarding Kovacic but all the other signings so far have gone through without any messing about.

Massive improvement but I wonder what changed and why so fast? Is it because Rodgers is not around or involved?

Ian Aye went to seal the deal for Firmino and he has been crucified many times by the fans when deals do not happen so big up to Ian!

The official LFC site ain't even releasing any news on Rodgers current views regarding the signings etc? He has had nothing to say since the Stoke 6-1 defeat.

Mourinho, Pelligrini have all had something to say since the end of the season. Van Gaal is talking about his plans for this coming season.

Rodgers not one word. We know he is on holiday but that does not stop him from making statements does it?

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25 Jun 2015 15:37:15
If you got that type of shalacking at the hands of Stoke and barely kept your job, with your bosses pretty much making you look like a lame duck manager, would you be mouthing off in the media the way BR normally used to do regardless of progress being made? I wouldn`t

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25 Jun 2015 18:26:33
What do you want? Jose E to show him how to use Instagram & Snapchat so he can provide a running commentary from his sun-lounger ? If you hate the man so much why are you missing his words of wisdom? As Depeche Mode would say Enjoy The Silence.

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25 Jun 2015 13:47:41
Carra saying that he told clyne to sign for lfc deal sounds done. Fantastic news just a top striker now any news

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25 Jun 2015 14:59:53
It was a joke, he also said he was on the transfer committee too

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25 Jun 2015 15:37:37
Clyne`s on the TC? Already?

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25 Jun 2015 16:40:52
I reckon carra did say it to clyne as a joke, nothing more. He also said he has no idea about firmino, alike many liverpool fans (including me, I have only seen him twice)

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25 Jun 2015 18:41:43
If you`ve never seen him play, tune in on sat when brazil plays paraguay because he will be starting that game.

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25 Jun 2015 13:46:58
It seems like last year our transfer tactic was 'let's put a tiny bid in and hope the player forces a move and the club eventually accept' and now it's 'lets meet the valuation if it's fair and get in early before the player speaks to anyone else who may be interested.' Seems to work better.

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25 Jun 2015 14:19:32
The key is to treat others the way we wanna be treated. When Arsenal came with that pathetic excuse of an offer for LS, I don`t care what LS did or didn`t do, I wouldn`t sell them a virus because that was just an insult. We now have a reputation for doing the same thing to others which is unsustainable. So my hope is that lessons have been learnt and respect will be shown to other clubs moving forward

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25 Jun 2015 13:37:21
Hi Eds
This may of been asked before but I've done a quick search .....

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{Ed002's Note - It is not a matter for discussion right now.}

25 Jun 2015 14:36:21
You starting to pike our curiosity eds ;>

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25 Jun 2015 14:09:03
Ok thanks. I look forward reading your update when the time is right

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25 Jun 2015 16:35:54
Drug an,mite sounds fishy

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25 Jun 2015 17:13:43
Pesky iPhone, lol

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25 Jun 2015 13:35:17
If the tabs have it right then it looks like Clyne is next in. FSG aren't afraid to spend, lads.
Any offers from clubs for players leaving?

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25 Jun 2015 14:00:22
Coates to Sunderland for £5m (I know?) not sure why this hasn't been finished. Maybe they need Ayre to rush things along?

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25 Jun 2015 14:25:57
Coates - was in the Uruguay squad at the copa america - they did get knocked out last night so hopefully it will be completed soon.

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25 Jun 2015 13:05:10
I think for this season, I would rather keep Lambert as 4th choice (if we sign a striker) and origi on loan than keep origi and rarely play him. I think he deserves a half chance and he should be able to assist our young strikers, for in my eyes he is now the best penalty taker we have, headerer, and probably with the best strike of a dead or moving ball!

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25 Jun 2015 13:47:06
Every team needs a good headerer!

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25 Jun 2015 14:01:06
Saw him last preseason, not who i'd have taking the penalties.

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25 Jun 2015 15:19:51
Lamberts neither a good header or headerer of the ball.

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25 Jun 2015 16:42:29
Whose better at Lambert at headers then in our front line?

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25 Jun 2015 17:09:32
Lambert can use his head well (when he gets the opportunities to use it)

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25 Jun 2015 17:14:37
The only thing better than a headerer is a headererer.

You heard it here first

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25 Jun 2015 13:05:00
Hi Eds, don't you find something a little odd about the konoplyanka situation, sevilla are a huge club that have won recent titles and yet he's holding our for a premier league move, with some sources saying teams like Stoke and Newcastle, any chance we'll look at him once sterling has gone? , especially since we were willing to pay a fair bit for him last January?

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{Ed002's Note - No, there is nothing odd. He is looking at available options.}

25 Jun 2015 13:48:14
Its all about the money imo. Sevilla are no doubt a more attractive option if trophies and ambition are concerned but they are financially f****d and will not pay what Stoke or Newcastle can. Imo Kono should move to Sevilla. It will be a big win for all parties concerned.

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25 Jun 2015 14:02:03
Except Kono who as you say will get paid less.

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25 Jun 2015 15:26:20
Kono is after money which is why no one has gotten him yet and which is why we should move on from him now. If you`re that good and free, why hasn`t a soul been able to sign you amongst the plethora of options you have? Red flag, IMO.

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25 Jun 2015 12:54:24
If we sign Clyne, Kovacic and Bacca, this could be one of the best windows for many years! However, I don't think Clyne is quite what we need after Ed001 has said that he requires a lot of cover from Wanyama and we couldn't provide that same cover here. So maybe I'd give Wisdom until January to prove himself and if that doesn't work out then perhaps go in for Clyne.
I've been racking my brain recently to try and work out our team for next year and if we are to sign Kovacic I'll be even more confused as Milner signed for game time.
Also, I believe we should go all out for Bacca as he is the best striker available to us atm. But didn't Ings sign for us because he expected a fair few games this season?
Opinions on these ideas would be much appreciated!

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25 Jun 2015 14:01:31
it works if we continue to play 3-2-2-2-1

it seems to be the best system for the acquisitions were making

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25 Jun 2015 15:29:32
But when Sturridge comes back what are you going to do?

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25 Jun 2015 15:30:59
With you as well on the unsurity of Clyne being needed if he isn`t playing in a system that allows him to bomb forward as he normally does. Wisdom might not be that good going forward but that can be coached into him with time BUT he`s a much better defender and tough as nails. Like you, BACCA is the guy we should go all out for because he is perfect for the high press which Sevilla plays. he`s also durable, (200 games consecutively in 5 years, i saw somewhere) ans as a late bloomer, 28 should feel like 24 for him because he turned pro at 21. He`s the guy for me and if we can get him along with the right team selections and tactics, who knows?

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25 Jun 2015 15:39:22
Barca play a 3-3-3-1 that can be morphed into whatever system depending on the phases of the game. Bielsa plays that system as well

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25 Jun 2015 12:37:33
Eds, when you hear a rumour from the echo how reliable is it?

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{Ed002's Note - I have never heard any rumour from "the echo".}

25 Jun 2015 13:04:04
So you can take it as gospel once printed?

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25 Jun 2015 13:34:45
Maybe you heard rumour rumour rumour.

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25 Jun 2015 12:08:43
Hey Eds, .................

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{Ed002's Note - It is not something we are going to discuss. Sorry.}

25 Jun 2015 13:43:02
Roger.

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25 Jun 2015 16:38:15
I got to ask, eds, what aren't we discussing? ;-)

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25 Jun 2015 12:07:05
I'm hoping we sign the right striker to feed off our midfield. It would be a complete waste of time if we end up with a big lump up top! (Rondon)

Really hope it's bacca out of the ones linked!

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25 Jun 2015 12:49:48
The muppets that disagree really haven't got a clue!

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25 Jun 2015 15:23:48
Aubamayeng! Do-doo-do-do-do.
His name is just more fun to say. ;)

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25 Jun 2015 17:21:00
Aubamayeng, Aubamayeng,
He's a striker, that's the thing
Aubamayeng he scores the gooooooals.

To those 1980s larger advert connoisseurs

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25 Jun 2015 12:05:48
Eds just wondering with Inter signing Konogbia but reluctant to let Kovacic go would they be looking to see Medel? Would we be interested? More the type of player we need and like you said previously we sign players a year after you suggest them!

Keep up the good work as usual!

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{Ed001's Note - they were looking to move on Hernanes, maybe Medel could be an option but we have shown no interest in him.}

25 Jun 2015 11:37:07
Hi Eds and Reds,

Hope everyone having a good day, nice to see some optimism on the sites these days.

My question to the Eds is how important is a defensive midfielder in modern day football. Every time i think about it I have a habit of contradicting myself, ie, I think Lucas is brilliant at what he does, certainly helps the defence out a lot and breaks up play in the centre of the park, while at the same time, if we have a high pressing set up, defence included, with quick, mobile defenders, ie Sakho and Illori, I think 2 box to box midfielders would be a better set up with say, Hendo and Can covering the whole pitch as they have the energy and positional sense to do so.

I can see, against some teams how tinkering and introducing a dm in could help, but i genuinely believe playing 2 box to box would suit us better. Obviously this is my opinion and everyone wil have their own, was just curious to hear some.

Great job eds and thanks for all your hard work.

YNWA
JFT96
WelshScouse

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{Ed001's Note - depends on the team and how they set up. A top class defensive midfielder is the difference between first and second though. Madrid had Alonso, win the league, the following season without him they finished second despite Barca's early season struggles. Chelsea became a markedly better side after adding Matic. Our record without Lucas is far worse than our record with him.}

25 Jun 2015 11:56:18
Thanks for the response ed, I agree, our record with Lucas looks a lot better, but at the same time, I think that is because Lucas is a quality DM, they were still playing with a DM when Lucas was not selected but it wasn't necessarily someone suited to a DM role hence the poor results.

I guess the reason I asked was I read so much every day on here about how we are in desperate need for a DM, granted, you used 2 very good examples in the effect Alonso and Matic had on their respective teams, I also think that if the set up is right, you don't need one if you have 2 very good box to box players.

Like i said in my first post, i contradict myself a lot even thinking about it because there's positives and negatives for both set ups, thanks for you insight anyway.

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{Ed001's Note - there are positives and negatives, and it does all come down to how well the set up utilises the positives and lessens the negatives, but overall a top class defensive midfielder will make the difference between trophies and nothing. Look at how Arsenal's season turned on bringing in one who is yet to even become top class, in Coquelin. They were a far better team for his emergence.}

25 Jun 2015 12:16:11
If we played 3 non dm's say hendo milner can, they would have to be responsible and clever enough to know when the other two are pressing one must sit. If lucas was there he always would. In my opinion the 3 without lucas could work if practised and perfected, the rotation of the sitting player allows a little time to think and regain energy. Although it does require a lot of work to be high pressing but making sure there is cover. I feel with out lucas, there would be occasions where all three would press high leaving big gaps.

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25 Jun 2015 12:24:58
I really hope Liverpool plays with one next season, particularly as we don't exactly have a CB partnership that clicks yet and if we end up with Moreno and Clyne at FB, they are more attacking players so someone needs to have their back.

I would be happy to see Lucas in the role, but if we can find one that can also act as a playmaker (like Alonso) then all the better but that's a rare talent. I'd like to think Kovacic or Can are the long term answer.

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25 Jun 2015 12:27:43
Ed, it seems odd that football is so simplistic. I´ve got a question regarding Can. The other day you posted that you thought that Can will play as a defensive midfielder. Do you think that he has the attributes to fit into this role? I would consider him more as a box to box midfielder.

another unrelated question, if the Bacca deal doesn´t go through, who would you then go for (realistically)? I wouldn´t mind Bony, but then again that´s not realistic.

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{Ed001's Note - he has the attributes but I think it will stifle him slightly from being able to use all his ability.

Realistically? I honestly don't know. I can't think of anyone I have seen lately that I would view as an upgrade to the team.}

25 Jun 2015 13:13:12
Atletico Madrid won the league 2 years ago not real.
So having alonso last year and not having him this year made no difference in the league. They didn't win it either year!

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25 Jun 2015 13:24:58
I'd agree Ed - if we there isn't a top class striker available now I'd be rather we stuck with Sturridge, Firmino, Ings and Origi.

Firmino's versatility to play as second striker alongside Sturridge/Ings or as false 9 means we can be patient for the right player to become available now IMO.

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25 Jun 2015 13:35:21
Fuzz, football is a VERY simple game if you just stick to the basics and build on it. It is "philosophers", "wise guys" and "smart arses" who think they know more than everyone else, who complicate the game and wind up out-smarting themselves.

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25 Jun 2015 14:24:39
#Redohio

I found Mourinho´s quote about counterattacking football kind of funny, but at the same time it made me think that he was right.

'But if you don't play counter-attack then it's because you are stupid. Counter-attack is a fantastic item of football, an ammunition that you have, and when you find your opponent unbalanced you have a fantastic moment to score a goal.'

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25 Jun 2015 15:40:53
Football is that simple, Fuzz!

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25 Jun 2015 14:06:28
Thanks edd, your opinion is always appreciated.

Whenever I´ve seen Can in midfield, I have noticed that he takes a lot of touches and sometimes he spends to much time on the ball. Something he needs to improve if he wants to keep up with the pace of the EPL. He is young and I believe that he will improve with the time.
At the moment I would expect that we would play 4231, where Can and Henderson would be the two midfielders, who can´t exactly be categorized as destroyers. I would imagine that both would share defensive duties, but I´m not sure that is the way to do it. A destroyer such as Carvalho, Kondogbia or Imbuella, would allow other players more freedom, leaving them with less defensive duties. e.g Lovren and Clyne both have had defensive cover from quality DM´s, and I would imagine that not playing with a DM would affect their game alot. We have seen it with Lovren, who often is out of position, because he was used to have cover from a decent CB and a quality DM. Same goes for Clyne who also have been out of position a couple of times, but it often goes unnoticed as a DM did their "dirty work".

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{Ed001's Note - I would hope that Can would learn to be the destroyer if we played that way, as Henderson is far too good at getting up and down the pitch to make him sit.}

25 Jun 2015 11:24:52
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Manchester United Club Analysis Report 2015

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25 Jun 2015 11:07:35
HI Eds thought I'd post on here as I didn't see a Crystal Palace rumours page. I just wanted to know if any one is in for Martin Kelly and how his future at Palace is shaping up.
ED001 you know I am a big fan of his,and until his injuries I thought he was destined for a big future. I was hoping you could just keep me apprised of any news regarding him

Many thanks

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{Ed001's Note - right now he is not up for sale mate. I will keep an eye out, you are right we don't have a Palace site yet.}

25 Jun 2015 11:05:01
I don't understand why so many people are asking for us to sign a defensive midfielder.
We have Lucas (who should've been playing there last season - he's quality), Can and Rossiter. I'm sure Milner and Hendo could fill in there if needs be!

I really hope Lucas hasn't been alienated so much that he wants to leave, think that could be one of the clubs biggest mistakes if true.

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25 Jun 2015 12:09:07
That's the problem. We shouldn't have to 'fill in' there. You need top quality - Hendo or Milner are not suited for that position and I'm not convinced Can is either, certainly not as a 'true' DM. Rossiter is not ready yet for the level we need to be at immediately (i.e. challening for top 4, title)

If Lucas doesn't play, then a suitable replacement should be found.

I am all for a DM in our team, 100%, but he has to be be better than Lucas, or Lucas plays. Simple really.

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25 Jun 2015 12:37:06
I agree not critical and would be happy with Lucas, Can and Milner sharing responsibilities but playing devils advocate for a second

1) Lucas isn't really a playmaker and has been injured a fair amount last season
2) Can is young and needs time to prove himself in the role (positionally), and arguably has been most effective further forward in a box-to-box role

If we can get a proven DM that's a creative playmaker as well, then I'd be OK with a top class signing there and selling Allen

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25 Jun 2015 13:51:26
Matic isn`t a playmaker either but look at the diff he has made to Chelsea. You need a DM who does his job and is not flashy because the position does not require flash and dash. Like JH, either Lucas plays or get someone better than him in. Filling someone in is just a joke because that position requires specialists and not fill-ins. Milner, Allen and Hendo are not DM`s and neither is Kova so no point playing them there because they will be targeted for fun like Can was at FB or CB because he is neither, naturally. Play players in their right positions and let them thrive instead of always trying to reinvent the wheel for no reason

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25 Jun 2015 11:17:57
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Manchester United Club Analysis Report 2015

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25 Jun 2015 10:51:09
Hardly had the chance to visit the site this week, I come on today and so much has happened or seemed to happen.
Firmino transfer has given me a bit of faith back in the club, we have identified a player for the first team, paid the asking price and got him. No messing about, no insulting bids, no statements from Rodgers in the media messing it all up.
Could we have turned a corner in how we conduct ourselves and our business? Got a long way to go to fix our reputation though. Clyne deal seems to be mostly fuss free as well if true.
I hope both players settle and do well for us this coming season, I do fear for the futures of a few of our attacking mids/second strikers with the purchase of firmino though.

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25 Jun 2015 09:56:11
Rumours that we are back in for xheridan xhaqiri after his lone spell at inter ended. Personally I don't think we need him now after he struggled to get into the inter side which finished 10th. Bayern are said to want £10 million but do we really need another high waged premodonna?

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25 Jun 2015 10:35:24
Totally agree, don't need him and I don't see how he's better than anything we already have. We should use that 10 mil and bid for begovic.

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25 Jun 2015 10:53:46
Can't see this rumour as anymore than recycled old news.

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25 Jun 2015 13:53:25
Old news, IMO. We were NEVER in for him regardless of how much he himself, mouthed off about it so nothing to see here. Besides, Firmino is much better than he is so NO THANKS!

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25 Jun 2015 14:00:57
"Hello, Ian speaking, oh hi Roberto, how are you? What's that? You want to do a swap deal? Kovacic and Shaqiri for Skrtel and Balotelli. Well, ahem, I think perhaps we could come to some kind of agreement".

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25 Jun 2015 09:43:25
Eds .............

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going there at this time. Sorry.}

25 Jun 2015 10:00:18
No problem Ed.

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25 Jun 2015 09:39:23
Hey eds, just a quick one, i know you have stated in the past that its hard to say when there will be signings, but do you think the majority or all of our ins will be done before preseason tour? It would be great if it was as it would give a chance for players to blend in and get to know each other before the real season starts, as they say practice makes perfect. If you can answer its okay.
Thanks again to all the eds for giving us fans a great insider info, really appreciated by a lot of people who visit the site!

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{Ed002's Note - Well if the majority aren't then the entire team is being replaced again and expect to hear the words "period of transition" regularly.}

25 Jun 2015 10:37:15
How many are you expecting? We already have 5?

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25 Jun 2015 12:06:00
Thanks Ed002

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25 Jun 2015 14:01:01
We need Bacca and hopefully after that, we`ll be done, IMO. Then, it will be time to move players on

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25 Jun 2015 09:30:49
So it looks like the Kovachich deal is off.

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25 Jun 2015 09:45:48
As I have posted several times on here, the Kovacic deal was never on. Time to forget about him - it isn't, and never was, happening.

KBL

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25 Jun 2015 10:33:10
He isn't wrong though eds, it is 100% off! If it was ever on!

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{Ed001's Note - except he is wrong. There has been contact, Kovacic's agent has been very clear about his unhappiness with the dealings he had and Inter have made no secret of their disappointment too. I don't know why people are still trying to argue when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. All those fake in the knows claiming nothing has happened, all of them have admitted a number of times that they actually just know nothing about it so are making idiotic assumptions rather than admitting to being clueless.

It is not 100% off, it is a maybe deal, but not even close to 100% off.}

25 Jun 2015 10:38:23
Thanks very much for the response Ed, at least we know there is still a reasonable possibility then.
He looks a talented and hard working player from the little I've seen, and will strengthen the squad.

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25 Jun 2015 11:04:32
The telegraph have reported today that were in negotiations on a 21.5m deal.

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25 Jun 2015 11:26:34
Eds, don't you think the people that put these posts on, are asking a question without asking a question.
Your fed up with the same questions being asked about the same player and perhaps they know your not going to answer it, so instead of asking "is the kovocic deal still on?", they make false statements in the hope that you answer it.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, but all they will end up doing is annoying us to the point they won't get any reply at all.}

25 Jun 2015 11:49:14
Is this the same guy who said Firminio was def not signing and we should forget it? I think he even used capital letters on definitely not just to show how serious and matter-of-fact it was!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't think it was.}

25 Jun 2015 12:01:38
Just finished having a "conversation" with Ed001 about Ings and responsibilities, as that was a case of opinions.
I hope people wouldn't argue with the Eds about transfers though. In that, they are as omnipresent & omniscient as Dumbledore.
And Ed002 has been pleasant so far. Let's not give him (most likely her) a reason to call us fickle again.

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25 Jun 2015 10:15:58
Come on number 2 very, very wrong?

Do you think it is going to happen?

Please give us something!!

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{Ed002's Note - His statements "the Kovacic deal was never on" and it isn't, and never was, happening" are nonsense. I have explained there has been interest and I explained there have been bides. I also explained that there was a problem with Liverpool's proposed deal.}

25 Jun 2015 10:23:26
are you saying somethink might still happen ed hope so think he could be a realy big player for us if we could get him

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{Ed002's Note - The point is that there has been interest.}

25 Jun 2015 12:44:52
Ed's, purely out of curiosity, are you guys all based somewhere and know each other personally, or are you all mobile and do this as a 'hobby' rather than a job?

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{Ed002's Note - It varies where people live and aside from myself the other Eds all work for the same International company that provide florist and chimney sweep services world-wide.}

25 Jun 2015 13:05:08
I don't be-leaf you one bit about that.

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25 Jun 2015 14:04:37
The Kova deal is still on the table based on all i have read on here BUT Inter is the one assessing their options and need things to fall into place for them before a deal can be done. The post that says the deal was "100% off" or "never on" is just nonesense.

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25 Jun 2015 14:45:18
My chimney needs sweeping and i need flowers for my nan who is currently in hospital?

I know you don't like to talk figures. but what's the going rate?

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

P.S. Do you deliver too!!

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on the editor you wish to do deliveries. Ed008 provides costume choices but is on the pricey side, Ed007 is cheap, in every way, Ed025 delivers in his budgie smugglers carrying a glass of Southern Comfort with the music from the advert playing in the background. Oh and Ed003 just moans about it not being orange constantly while sweeping.}

25 Jun 2015 15:17:47
Just make sure they don't sweep your nan and flower your chimney!

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25 Jun 2015 15:10:46
If we can negotiate gin instead of southern comfort Ed025 sounds like the man.

Can we do business??

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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{Ed001's Note - he is contractually obligated to only drink Southern Comfort since fronting their advertising campaign. He will not give up his beach walks for anyone.}

25 Jun 2015 09:04:57
How are we or anyone able to confirm signings, in their new kit when the transfer window isn't open yet?

Is it just purely paperwork not processed until July 1.

Also Eds, the marketing for the third kit has Skrtel sat bang centre. As news of transfers is difficult now within the club. Have you heard of any re shoots which in turn gives a clear indication?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Take Firmino for example, his signing is agreed subject to (a) medical, work permit, and (c) the paperwork going through.

When publicity photographs are taken they do take more than one you know.}

25 Jun 2015 10:49:29
1st world problems. :)

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25 Jun 2015 11:12:31
Thanks, but it's more how can a player be confirmed signing even showing off his new kit, chosen squad number etc when the window isn't open until July 1st.

Thought it was quite a normal thing to question. What's to stop this happening in September, but then the medical, paperwork etc is submitted in January? I thought the windows were exact dates for signings? Clubs are excepting bids, negotiations, contracts signed etc outside the official window. Just interested how and apart from physically playing for another side, are the windows only there for paperwork purpose?

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{Ed001's Note - it does happen sometimes, have you not noticed how often teams confirm signings well in advance? It is just that only the biggest clubs will do it, as they do not have to worry that someone else will gazump them before the registration can be transferred.}

25 Jun 2015 12:56:59
Right ok, yeah I've noticed it and we announced Milner in May didn't we? Or very early June. I just wondered ifs it's close to the window or it can theoretically then happen any month, then making the window purely paperwork admin month.

Could then say it's Chelsea Man Utd last game 1 point in it, Chelsea bid and sign Rooney which means doesn't play and Man U lose the game. Extreme but just a lame example to show a scenario.

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{Ed002's Note - Transfers can be agreed at any time of the year but they cannot be completed until the windows are open and due process followed.}

25 Jun 2015 13:56:43
I was also surprised with the pictures when Firmino isn't officially our player yet. one question to you editors: James pearce said that When Ayre flew to Santiago, the best he could hope for was a verbal agreement but things went very smoothly and we were able to sign the player. not the exact words but that is what he said. does this mean that there is a signed agreement already in place and it can only be revoked if he fails medical or liverpool are unable to acquire a work permit for him ? what kind of agreement is that? Can for instance other teams sneak him before he becomes an official liverpool player ? Really surprised those pictures were out

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{Ed002's Note - Any agreements are subject to the completion of certain activities and the player will sign his contract once those activities are done - and those activities will be reflected in the agreement with Hoffenheim.}

25 Jun 2015 14:36:08
Related to your example remember Goetze had signed for Bayern Munich way before the Transfer window and played against them for Dortmund in the Champions League Final knowing that he was a Bayern player in less then a month!

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25 Jun 2015 14:11:59
Thanks. I thought some investigation was done leading up to the window, but wasn't aware full on deals could be all but announced and signed at any point.

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25 Jun 2015 08:57:22
Just read didi's comments regarding the firmino signing. Snd agree with him so much. There are always going to be the whiners just think that firminos signing plus linders appointment has lifted the spirit of us fans and around the club. Now to get bacca

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{Ed002's Note - That is because you are gullible and easily led.}

25 Jun 2015 11:20:46
I read EDs comments about the abuse they recieve. What has this post done to deserve random abuse from ed002? It's a positive post.

You seem to constantly slag off and label all LFC fans as idiots, pond life. The worst fans ever cause we moan about the manager and players. One of your own ed001 posts exact same feelings. What do you, ed002 think of ed001. And why reply to this post with a fan just getting excited by a good signing?

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{Ed001's Note - it is hardly abuse, have you ever thought it might be tongue in cheek? So touchy it is embarrassing, what ever happened to a sense of humour?}

25 Jun 2015 11:50:12
Doesn't read that as tongue in cheek at all. Ed002s comments are almost always abusive, he has clearly stated LFC fans are the worst. They way we slag off the manager, players, ex players. Just the same comments you make 001 about Skrtel and Rodgers. So it's clear what he thinks of you.
There is a post further down where she asks what dumb animal the poster is.

Just interested why a positive post gets that reply, when I often hear how you guys hate abuse. Seems utter contradiction. That's what's embarrasing.

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{Ed001's Note - oh whatever, give it a rest, you are quite simply wrong. There is nothing abusive about the reply and you are just getting annoying and pathetic whining about it.}

25 Jun 2015 12:17:44
Seriously though max i really didn't think ed2s reply was advise. In fact i chuckled when i read it. I may not always agree with ed002( remember who has banned me on separate occasions) but that mate was just not abuse

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25 Jun 2015 10:54:20
Ed002, you said the other day we had the worst fans in world football for slating the players/manager/owners, yet when someone joins in with a positive post you call him gullible and say he is easily led. Do you just like to put Liverpool fans down regardless of their opinion?

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{Ed002's Note - No, my point is correct.}

25 Jun 2015 13:03:30
Ok, take it back then. I read it one way after seeing replies earlier and yeah guess I got unnecessarily wound up.

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25 Jun 2015 14:07:30
Guys, Ed02 is just being funny. Ok to disagree with how the reply was percieved/recieved BUT I didn`t think the reply was that bad. It`s all laughs and let`s have some fun for a change.

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25 Jun 2015 14:50:59
FFS lighten up. she's having a laugh!!

vrcomp
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25 Jun 2015 21:18:17
I guess people haven't gotten use to how you like to respond lol. Thanks Ed002 for that!

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25 Jun 2015 08:45:08
Hey eds!
Is it true that we have made an improved bid for clyne?
Do you know anything in it?
If it is made then what are the chances of the bid getting accepted?
Thankyou!

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{Ed002's Note - I explained this the other day - yes, another bid, but Southampton have a price they want.}

25 Jun 2015 08:43:08
Hi Ed001

With us after a Striker surely we need to shift some on else were going to be over stocked? Borini Ballo Lambert Studge Origi Ings??

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, I have explained repeatedly that players will leave. Are you perhaps a goldfish?}

25 Jun 2015 09:11:23
It's a myth Ed regarding the gold fish 😉

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25 Jun 2015 09:50:44
from what happens around the planet these days, I'd suggest the homo sapien is about as dumb as it gets.

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25 Jun 2015 10:35:55
Goldfish haha. That has made my day

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25 Jun 2015 13:14:22
Well believe it or not I'd go for 1st place Panda then Turkey and in 3rd place goldfish 😁

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25 Jun 2015 14:54:14
I hear a Panda in Edinburgh has just been artificially inseminated.

So she AND Desmondo14 have been screwed have they?

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B.T.W. Ed002 on fire with her relies today. the holiday seems to have worked wonders.

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25 Jun 2015 08:35:15
Well .....

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{Ed002's Note - Please stop sending in repeated posts. It is a waste of our time.}

25 Jun 2015 08:46:09
Repeated?? Two is hardly repeated, and the 1st one wasn't posted

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{Ed002's Note - The first one was posted as I remember commenting what a DF his brother must be if he thinks Marsh was sacked. And you too must be dumb as a box of rocks if you don't think two is repeated.}

25 Jun 2015 09:13:07
Maxi88, I think the post you are referring to is posted under "Other Posts".

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25 Jun 2015 11:17:09
Cheers RedFuzz mate, like I said new on here, and not sure on the protocol or whatever, but hardly being encouraged to post or read the forum again.

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25 Jun 2015 12:45:11
Welcome Maxi
The edds often receive a lot of abuse, and a lot of the posts around the silly season are extremely abusive towards the edds and football players, and I can only imagine that this would make them irritated. Just take it lightly and things will be fine.

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25 Jun 2015 08:32:29
Hey eds, great work you are doing. Just wondering about our midfield next season. Right now we have Milner, Allen, Can Hendo, Lucas, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino and that's not mentioning wingers such as sterling (I'm aware he's likely to be gone), Ibe and Lazar. We are still being linked with kovacic daily and you guys believe there is interest there as well. I know we are in UEL next season but is this too many in your opinion. I believe it is too many. Could we see Allen or Lucas sacrificed, or perhaps even both? Thanks eds.

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{Ed002's Note - Things will become clearer when the transfer window opens - players will be leaving.}

25 Jun 2015 08:05:37
Morning eds. .......

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{Ed002's Note - Just don't go there please.}

25 Jun 2015 07:38:29
Some decent signings thus far. A solid striker now (Bacca appears the best of the few rumoured) and a wish to Brendon Rogers and his team for the very best for the season. I do really really hope he, and a few of the LFC fans out of favours, aided well by the newbies, make a lot us eat humble pie! Time now to get well and truly behind all at the club.

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25 Jun 2015 05:44:55
Ian Ayre TCB

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25 Jun 2015 03:59:23
Hi Eds, It's great we've signed Firmino and it's clear we're in for Clyne or another RB & a central midfielder, but I've not heard much on a centre back. Are we in the market for first team CB or even 2? Skrtel isn't particularly good against stronger forwards, Sakho is injury prone and Lovren doesn't give us confidence. I feel it's our weakest area, yet there are none to little rumours.

- Thank you

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{Ed001's Note - no, Ilori is going to get a chance.}

25 Jun 2015 01:33:54
Are this signings Brendan's choice or are they somebody else's choices? I know the owners were not happy about the business over the last few seasons

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25 Jun 2015 00:57:00
With inter, Fiorentina, seville and who knows how many others that we don't know about being upset at how we deal with transfers do you think the speed of the firmino deal is a sign the club has learned is Lesson ed?

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{Ed001's Note - it certainly does seem that way.}

25 Jun 2015 00:25:58
Hey Eds, From my Champ Man days I seem to remember that a team is only allowed three non-Europeans in a match day squad. Is that the case today?

If Bacca comes we have three first choice non Europeans plus Lucas. I doubt he'll stay in that circumstance.

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{Ed001's Note - it changed years ago mate.}

25 Jun 2015 10:44:08
01-02 took weeks and months of my life lol

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{Ed001's Note - I loved those games, the modern versions are just awful, trying to make it a mobile game just doesn't work.}

25 Jun 2015 11:22:26
Me & a mate of mine have just downloaded 01/02 again with the update of 14/15 season, forgot how addictive it was, haven't spoke to the wife & kids for a month :-)
Google it, Champman I think the site is, loads of people are swerving the newer games to return to this one

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{Ed001's Note - they were better games back then.}

24 Jun 2015 23:52:01
Hi eds,

With Firmino falling short of the automatic qualification for a work permit, based on what you know, how likely will a successful conclusion be?

Hoping you can help
Thanks as always

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{Ed001's Note - they changed the rules, it now comes down to how much you pay for them, he should have no issue.}

25 Jun 2015 09:55:08
Ed does that mean in the future young south American stars have a greater chance of moving directly to the premiership instead of usually going to Italy or Spain? It used to be if they hadn't played international football that it was difficult to get a work permit right? So now is there a greater possibility in general for the players ed002 usually says "work visa would be an issue" to move to the premiership?

I hope that makes sense ed ha. if not is this a recent change? I'd like to read more if you know anywhere?

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on paying more, so no, unless they are stand out youngsters. It is a very recent change yes. I don't know where you could read about it though. You would just have to do a good search for articles about it as it is a few months old now.}

24 Jun 2015 23:43:29
Ed001 if what you wrote is true about BR having no further say in transfers would you feel that is a positive move by the club or maybe undermining him a bit more?
Barry inLouth

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{Ed001's Note - it can never be positive to have someone in charge you clearly have no confidence in.}

25 Jun 2015 09:50:41
I have to agree big time with you ed, I've seen this scenario recently acted out in work where the board undermined one of the senior managers taking lots of his decision making away and putting in their choice of staff in his team. Problem is it caused great turmoil in the company and although they got the guy to leave a lot of other really good guys also left as they thought it was a terrible way to run a business.

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24 Jun 2015 22:06:09
Ed1 I read that you said that Rodgers didn't want us to sign firmino, any ideas why? The only reason I can see is that he feels we have players in his position already but he clearly improves the team.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea sorrry.}

25 Jun 2015 01:16:15
Anybody else worried by ings statement saying that he picked a double digit number in purpose because he's too worried about the pressure?

I hope he's good but players that shirk responsibility and avoid pressure aren't usually the ones that perform when you need it

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25 Jun 2015 02:17:39
I think what he said/meant is that he wanted to earn the right to wear number 7/8.

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25 Jun 2015 02:47:04
I agree with Robboz. I read it as him wanting to prove himself to the fans before wearing the iconic low numbers. Basically, he has to earn the right to wear it rather than him being scared of the pressure if the shirts

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25 Jun 2015 04:47:51
the lad understands there is pressure on him to score goals. he understands that he has been signed for goals. so he has the first part right. now he has to train well and perform and I am sure he will.

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{Ed001's Note - it just sounds like the same lad who found there was too much pressure on him at Burnley, so stopped being the penalty taker. He worries me.}

25 Jun 2015 06:51:09
whoa ed001 now that is really worrying if put that way.

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{Ed002's Note - I think I would step back a little bit here and give him a chance. He has a good reputation and if you look at the sides who were interested this is not a kid who is not well thought of. I think there is a very good chance of this working out well.}

25 Jun 2015 07:35:32
Hopefully he will grow into a ruthless goalscorer with us.

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25 Jun 2015 07:38:22
I personally think the whole penalty piece is unfair on him.

I know ed01 won't be swayed and seems to have a zero tolerance but this was a lad who was playing his first season in the prem and at 21/22 years old. That is a lot pressure and I think I'm a roundabout way it actually takes more courage to admit you need help. If he was feeling the pressure then better to let someone else take up the mantle

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{Ed001's Note - why won't I be swayed? I would be if someone could offer me a genuine reason to believe otherwise, but this argument has been used a number of times and just isn't true. It does not take more courage to ask for someone else to take the pen. That makes absolutely no sense. It takes more courage to admit you need help, yes, but he wasn't admitting he needed help, or he would have asked for a sports psychologist to work with him to ensure he didn't miss. What he was doing was admitting he no longer had the bottle to step up. That is fine, if you are not then moving to a club that requires every man in the team to step up and show bottle. If he was drifting down to the lower leagues away from the spotlight, then fine, no worries, but he is going to be the centre of the spotlight while playing for us. He has already admitted once he didn't have the bottle for that, if you aren't worried by that, well then I am surprised. I hope I am wrong, and he goes on to be a great player for us, technically and physically he has the attributes, but clearly the mental ones are a worry.}

25 Jun 2015 07:46:23
Reminds me of Shame Long

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{Ed001's Note - I don't see any comparison with Shane Long. Apart from both being quick and working hard. Ings at least can score goals regularly, Long has never been a consistent goalscorer.}

25 Jun 2015 08:52:33
Got to be given a fair crack of the whip.
IIRC Owen stopped taking penalties for a while because he missed one.
We've got plenty of decent penalty takers anyway.

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25 Jun 2015 09:56:04
Long scores goals for a spell of about 10 or 12 games a season and then he would get three goals in the next 20 games.

He should be starting for Ireland though.

@Ron, the issue is nothing to do with Ings taking our penalties. If he wanted to and tried to insist he was the penalty taker then that would show that he had confidence in his penalty taking abilities (Balotelli). If he wanted to and it was decided Milner or Henderson were better then fair enough but the issue here is he didn't want the responsibility.

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25 Jun 2015 10:06:40
Ed I don't see it as a problem simply for the fact he doesn't have to take penalties here. I understand the issue you're pointing out but for me that only becomes an issue if you do point it out. if Liverpool get a peno first day of the season and Henderson or Milner or whoever stands up and sticks the ball in the top corner we can just celebrate that goal or question why ings didn't take the penalty. Look at sturridge his record with penalties for us has to be appalling but if he gets 15 goals with no penalties still a top return.

Main point is he was still scoring goals at Burnley and is hopefully still maturing. And if bacca or someone comes in and takes the number 9 then ings will certainly be pushed to earn games as well as any shirt number so as I've said I think it was and is a no brainer as there is very little risk (low enough fee and wages and good sell on value) compared to a lot more potential!

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{Ed001's Note - so you don't think it is a problem that a player admits to being unable to handle pressure when he is about to join a club where the pressure is much higher? Hell he even avoided a low number to try and lessen pressure! That has to be a major worry. I really hope he succeeds, but a person scared to accept pressure and responsibility is unlikely to step up when the team needs them, as that would involve pressure.}

25 Jun 2015 10:26:57
Considering the number/calibre of clubs that were interested in him, and from what I've seen of him, I believe he would be a good signing.
To me, he's still young and can still be groomed.I wouldn't judge him much on his refusal to stop taking penalties.
Eto'o did it and cost Cameroon an appearance in the World Cup; Bebeto did it and cost Deportivo the title; Bergkamp stopped taking penalties after he missed against Man. U and he has a statue now.
What he needs is support from his teammates, coaches, and fans.

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{Ed001's Note - I hope so, but he is nothing like the quality of any of those players, so to use them as a comparison is laughable. They didn't stop taking them because their bottle went, they stopped taking them because they were not scoring them, it is not even comparable in that respect either. I really hope he goes on to be a great with Liverpool, but he needs to step up, not hide in the shadows, those that hide in the shadows avoiding pressure fail at big clubs.}

25 Jun 2015 11:11:37
I think the fact that they were that experienced and had that much quality should count against them. Ings isn't as experienced as them and doesn't have that quality.
Bebeto was Deportivo's second designated penalty taker, and he had taken penalties all season long. Eto'o had taken lots of penalties for Cameroon too. They didn't stop because they weren't scoring. Only Bergkamp stopped because he missed.
To me, they stopped because they couldn't handle the pressure again. Even Wenger compared Ozil missing a penalty against Bayern to Bergkamp missing, and commented that he won't be surprised if Ozil doesn't recover like Bergkamp didn't, which made him stop taking penalties.
I quite understand your opinion about taking responsibilities, I just won't judge Ings on them yet based on his refusal to take penalties. I hope he would end up being a fantastic signing for us.

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25 Jun 2015 11:36:06
Just finished reading Jimmy Case's book ed001.
He missed a peno in a non-league football final for South Liverpool in 1972, and never took another in his playing career again.
He wasn't exactly a shrinking violet either.

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{Ed001's Note - Ings never missed a penalty though, as I keep pointing out. He decided to stop taking them just in case he did. Hardly the same thing.}

25 Jun 2015 11:54:34
Unless we somehow sign yet another striker, Ings is going to have to be our number one at the start of next season. He will be under pressure no matter what number he wears.

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25 Jun 2015 01:08:54
Personally to strengthen the squad I would go for Sven Bender, Leon Goretzka and Igor Lichnovsky (youtube him)

That would sort DM, replace Stevie G and sort our defensive replacement for Kolo for season 16-17.

Needless to say the ones i'd let go are pretty much the same as everyone elses opinion, but Markovic will come good this year imho.

Igor Lichnovsky will be playing at the top level soon, top top player.

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25 Jun 2015 04:50:32
Igor is good with chile , but he is not really estabished at club level. he is one of those numerous players who looks absolute quality with his national team.

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25 Jun 2015 09:02:21
There have been many players who have shyed away from taking pens,both for us and at international level,I do think this story is been blown out of proportion a bit,it's not ideal but neither is it the end of the world

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{Ed001's Note - he did not just shy away from them, which is a different matter, he was the penalty taker until the pressure was on, then he stopped taking them. It is not the same thing.}

25 Jun 2015 10:00:05
Gonzalo Jara looks decent for Chile. He was playing as a utility man at Notts Forest. Loads of caps for Chile though so fair play to him.

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25 Jun 2015 01:05:11
Hey Eds, have any of you heard as to why there is the still such silence from Rodgers. We have signed 5 players and not a peep. Therefore is it possible he has been put on gardening leave?

Thanks

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{Ed007's Note - Hasn't he had a dental upgrading done?}

25 Jun 2015 04:51:49
it is good why be troubled by it? In words for the wrestler HHH it is what is best for business. :D

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25 Jun 2015 10:01:31
Bit premature with your sign-off name? And Rodgers talks too much so him not talking is a good thing, also you'd expect he'd get some holiday time.

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25 Jun 2015 11:17:04
Brendan over did it with the tooth whitening and is unable to go infront of a camera til it fades for fear of blinding and law suits. A source inside the club said

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25 Jun 2015 00:41:52
I see Ronaldinho has in some ways thrown down the gauntlet!
Great stuff imo. You can see it on BBC gossip page where he says how it is a dream for liverpool to have one of the most exciting midfields in Europe with Coutinho and Firmino and how its a strikers dream to have players like them.
The gauntlet being that he also says "if you can't score goals with those two then you won't score goals in any team!

Great comments

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25 Jun 2015 04:53:18
i thinks those two will make the Dannies(:D) in our team legends

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25 Jun 2015 00:38:46
Really happy with the signing of Firmino (albeit a season late - better late than never I guess). Has great potential but I really like his work rate and that will endear him to us fans no doubt.

Would love a Specialist DM (rather than a versatile player who "can" play there, out and out striker and a keeper). Doesn't look like we will get a keeper which is a shame!

But we really have to trim down the squad. We have a lot of players that need to be moved on.

I am still hopeful that Brendan will go too. Not a word from him regarding the coaches being sacked or the players that have been signed. I know he's on holiday but still surprised not one word. The conspiracy theorist in me hopes he's getting sacked. Here's to hope.

I would love Biesla to come in. I know he doesn't speak English. But he's a brilliant coach. Any body who watches his teams can see his imprint on them. For me language would not be a barrier for him to work his "magic".

By the way eds love your site, the banter and your occasional put downs. If you had a choice of head coach/manager for Liverpool - who would you want? -

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{Ed007's Note - Neil Lennon.}

25 Jun 2015 07:17:27
Neil Lennon? He doesn't speak English either.

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25 Jun 2015 08:57:00
Great shout ed7!

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24 Jun 2015 23:51:25
I don't know why are people complaining about having so many players for similar position, why is that a bad thing? Isn't it good to have competition and strength in depth? And also majority of our midfielders can play in multi-positions which is another positive.

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25 Jun 2015 01:23:24
We are unbalanced in the squad hence, a worry and being able to play multiple positions should be a bonus and not a quality.

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25 Jun 2015 10:04:44
The likes of Can may not play as much as I would like so he may not develop as well as he could. That would be a concern of mine anyway but for me I do think there will be a good few players moved on.

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25 Jun 2015 10:13:42
The issue is players don't get a chance to own their roles and grow as a team. A strong squad is great but you still need to have a core 8 or 9 players which basically always start ( pending injury or form) as well as keep to a couple of formations( unless it needs to change during a game) Rodgers couldn't find his best team in over 50 odd games last year which is why it worries me so many new players coming in. How long will it take to do do the same this year?

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