Liverpool Banter Archive June 25 2016

 

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25 Jun 2016 20:42:03
Ed002,

I am sure you have said before that clubs think about future managers. In reality how does this work?

Can a club plan 3/ 4 years in advance or speak to a manager to say we want you to manage us? There are so many changes and managers get sacked early or may make a surprise move which throws the plans in to chaos.

As always you hard work is very much appreciated.

Regards

Crooky.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not the done thing to speak to managers but certainlt to their agents, and clubs will speak to managers on occasion. Certainly clubs have made long term plans - Manchester United at the start of this season had plans through to 2022 for example. Several clubs with managers approaching retirement or the end of contracts have sounded out possible options and this is the norm. International sides often do the same - and certainly England has been considering the market and spoken to a few people over the past 9 months.}

25 Jun 2016 20:41:49
Eds, are Liverpool actively pursuing Kylian Mbappe? Or is RM most lilely. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

25 Jun 2016 20:07:04
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BREAKING: Sadio Mane has told @beINSPORTS that he has agreed a four year contract with Liverpool. Now up to the clubs to agree fee. #lfc.

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25 Jun 2016 23:13:04
Liverhampton / scousehampton breaking rumour. The Saints have unveiled the pools 2017 summer signing Nathan Redmond!


25 Jun 2016 15:00:01
£40 mill plus double the wages, I would have tempted Dortmund for Reus.
Genuine week in week out world class player and one we need. Special player, special skill, special goals.

If you intend to turn someone's head, Turn the best one in the market and not Zielinski.
😉😉😉.

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25 Jun 2016 20:28:25
He also has a terrible injury record.


25 Jun 2016 20:30:48
And you think he would have come. We have not been in Europe consistently for years and are finishing mid table. Liverpool is also not as attractive a place to live as London Paris etc. Great saying we should sign this that and the other but most of the suggestions don't work.


25 Jun 2016 20:39:57
Reus would cost more than that plus we have no cl football.


25 Jun 2016 21:05:34
Did you not see the "tempting" Liverpool did with Goetze? What makes you think going for Reus wouldn't have been a waste of time, money and energy?

Frankly, this is a nonsensical post, alike the many we have come to expect of you Harry.


25 Jun 2016 23:59:37
Given his injury record Harry I have to agree that he is a week in week out world class player, weren't you all saying we'd be well shot of Sturridge 2 months ago?


26 Jun 2016 00:16:05
To quote John Henry's Tweet: "Sign Reus LOL". I'm with others here. Why would Reus sign for us? If he was made available by Dortmund, Barca, Real, Chelsea, City, United etc would want him, and he'd sign for those clubs before us.


26 Jun 2016 00:38:05
Agree AG.


25 Jun 2016 20:36:44
But after Allen is sold they will need zielinski to keep a seat warm on bench.


25 Jun 2016 21:33:00
How is it a waste of time when you are ready to pay over the odds? Southampton has shown no intention in selling Mane unless we pay a ridiculous sum of money and I personally would had tried Reus who worked under Klopp for 4 years. If we wouldn't match the asking price of Southampton this whole Mane saga would be a waste of Time and energy.


26 Jun 2016 04:27:17
Shown no intention of signing? Haven't they just bought a replacement? Pretty good indicator they may be willing to let him go.


25 Jun 2016 19:20:40
Ed002, you say that 'Ibe is not wanted and the club has made that clear'. Can I ask, why do you think that is? For me, he's a very good young player who I feel will improve in the coming years. Is the club's seeming willingness to sell Jordan related to off field issues? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - He has no future with the Klopp and is available.}

25 Jun 2016 21:00:43
But for what reason does klopp not want him ed?
Baz.


{Ed002's Note - I really don't know Baz and although he had issues in the past it is likely that KK does not see him as good enough for him.}

25 Jun 2016 23:20:14
He's a decent young player but let's not sentiment get in the way. he isn't good enough for a team that wants to challenge. He looked great whilst on loan at Derby, hence being called back early. But since then he's not impressed me guys.


26 Jun 2016 00:12:51
He was smoking that shisha pipe with Sterling wasn't he? That's what I heard anyway.


26 Jun 2016 08:12:37
Good try wth 'KK' Ed - much better than 'Klippity', which had far too many syllables to really catch on. Trouble is, there's another Liverpool related KK already.


{Ed002's Note - Keegan, I know.}

26 Jun 2016 11:19:40
Poison Ibe is just terrible. Zero end product, keeps his head down constantly and just runs into players. Get rid.


25 Jun 2016 18:58:32
Just .........

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{Ed002's Note - Take it to the Euros page - this is the Liverpool page.}

25 Jun 2016 17:59:40
What is better, a guy with a good attitude, that we hope can improve his ability or someone with proven ability, that we hope can improve his attitude?
He got double figures for saints last year, hopefully with us he can improve his ability and attitude, and can be a real talent. He's not lazy on the pitch, like balotelli, has good pace and can finish.
We need proven quality, who in the league could Liverpool sign that has two years prem experience and done well?
maybe there may be a few from abroad we could sign for that money, but there is no guarantee that they will settle, mane has more chance than ones coming from abroad.
I for one am hoping this goes through.

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25 Jun 2016 18:43:31
Benteke got 42 in 3 seasons for villa and we all thought he would be our Drogba or Heskey exactly 12 months ago.


25 Jun 2016 20:58:37
Benteke is a goal scorer. Doesn't fit in to Rodgers or Klopp's style. Should never have been bought, maybe to please the fans. Will score at his next club for sure as they will play to his strengths. We should have have used him better.


25 Jun 2016 21:04:06
Nobody thought he was going to be our Drogba or Heskey except Rodgers and his delusional mind. Speak for yourself Harry, you are becoming that annoying person that you usually are during this time of the year.


25 Jun 2016 17:56:12
People moaning about the imminent signing of Mane should man up and stop mentioning the money (alliteration intended)

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25 Jun 2016 18:29:57
yup we need pace in our team. and someone who isn't shy to put himself about.


25 Jun 2016 19:26:45
It's not about the mane mane mane.


25 Jun 2016 21:04:00
I think most fans would accept Mane to the team but I think £30-40 million is just stupid, for that price we could be getting a better all round calibre of player. Even we as fans worry about the prices we pay for players.

Baz.


25 Jun 2016 17:52:58
Story coming out Southampton, have now agreed redman deal . do the eds think mane will now come to us .

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{Ed002's Note - The Ed has explained that Liverpool, or rather Klipperty, are very on an old target of Rodgers and need to reach agreement with Southampton, and the player and his agent - and then he will be available to join the club.}

25 Jun 2016 17:01:02
Southampton officially confirm Redmond signing, so now we can sign Mane for another way over the odds sum of money who is just not worth it.

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25 Jun 2016 17:16:37
100% agree. Ridiculous signing considering how many cheaper and better options are available.


25 Jun 2016 17:20:04
Jesus guys get a ****ing grip! Support everyone who pulls on the shirt!


25 Jun 2016 17:29:07
Looking forward to mane shutting the doubters up.


25 Jun 2016 17:33:03
Name the better options.


25 Jun 2016 17:35:08
Who are the cheaper better options?


25 Jun 2016 17:35:53
Please name them sakho. Also. keep in mind interest of other teams, their willingness to play in England, to join us, the prospect of them failing in England, and who are also available for not a vastly inflated fee and also should have proper discipline record?


25 Jun 2016 17:40:36
Can I ask what other realistic options that are available can do a better job than mane?


25 Jun 2016 17:53:56
Guys I think Mane is a good player, but £30-40 mill is obscene, while we let our players go on the cheap, £10 mill for Joe Allen, if Southampton want Joe as reported I would ask £20 mill, Leicester want £10 mill for Chilwell.

So I think it's about time we stopped both paying way over the odds for players and demanding a lot more for some of our own.


25 Jun 2016 17:53:59
Rafa silva, a player of at least similar level, probs about 12 million, not from the club of cursed overrated players. Similar level of risk and not any attitude problems of note. Likely to be signed by southampton and bought by us in a years time for 30 million.


25 Jun 2016 17:58:14
Reading through the posts and rumors I've seen.
First off, forget Reus, Sane etc they're not an option!
So we've looked and been linked to.
Walcott. no
Oxlade Chamberlain. no
Goetze. has turned us down
Townsend. no
Nani. no

So, who else is there that is a good winger and proven at a good level? Sadio Mane. I'd take him over the ones listed above all day long. Not my first choice and I was dead against but on reflection, could be worse.


25 Jun 2016 18:09:31
How do you know Anonymous he is willing to join us? Or his club are willing to sell? What if he is holding out for another move?


25 Jun 2016 18:13:42
Cheaper options, Julian Brandt, el ghazi, embolo, boufal, pjaca.


25 Jun 2016 18:40:54
We should loan out either Canos or Ibe to Norwich.


{Ed002's Note - Canos wants out and has made that clear. Ibe is not wanted and the club has made that clear.}

25 Jun 2016 18:58:08
Pjaca, El Ghazi or Rafa Silva are not better players than Sadio Mane. Embolo is a different sort of player, and is not better than Mane either. Brandt and Boufal potential could be better, but there is no guarantee they will settle in the PL as Mane has.


25 Jun 2016 19:13:37
Sakho
Ag put it in better words that I could. besides you assume that all those players arw salivating to join us.


25 Jun 2016 19:24:01
Forget the fee. We're signing a good player, who is an upgrade on what we have. I don't care what club he plays for, or the fee. He's a marked upgrade and improvement on the likes of Lallana, and I welcome his (probable) arrival.


25 Jun 2016 19:33:39
Ag, while I agree mane is better than pjaca at the moment, I can assure el ghazi, Brandt and boufal are superior players to Mane. Put it this way (Reetred) If we offered the reported fee for mane to any of the players that I have suggested we would most definitely sign them along with the £120,000 a week which mane will be getting unfortunately.


25 Jun 2016 19:35:46
Also just to clarify I truly hope mane proves me wrong and becomes a real top player for us.


25 Jun 2016 17:48:52
Yeah, enlighten us @Sakho.

Mane is expensive but to so there's loads of better and cheaper players available to us is a lie.


25 Jun 2016 18:42:06
Reet

Southampton wouldn't sell Mane to us or anyone unless we pay A RIDICULOUS SUM of money in transfer fee. It's not the case the player is on a hunger strike to join us. He previously tried to force a move to UTD.
If you are ready to pay over the odds there could be plenty of players available not just Mane.


25 Jun 2016 16:09:14
Wish Poland would bring on zielinski.

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25 Jun 2016 16:28:50
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.


25 Jun 2016 16:45:57
Unused sub for the 4th game in a row.


25 Jun 2016 16:53:23
Speaks volumes that at 20yrs old he doesn't start for his country but is in their best 23 players?!


25 Jun 2016 17:23:36
He's also 22 not 20.


25 Jun 2016 17:24:07
Hope we don't Lewandowsky either! 4 games no goals speaks volumes!


25 Jun 2016 17:36:36
Some people really. Could find a negative in us signing messi .


25 Jun 2016 17:37:17
Scraping the bottom of the barrel to find reasons to slate a potential signing.


25 Jun 2016 17:42:08
Believe he started the third game against Ukraine, was substituted.


25 Jun 2016 17:51:04
Well not really, when I've watched him in matches quite a few times since we apparently signed him. I'm pretty sure none of you have. And from what I've seen, I can see why he doesn't even get used as a sub for Poland. Difference between lewondowski and zielinski is that he is one of the best players in the world and zielinski is an average midfielder that udinese loaned out. So maybe if you had never watched football before you can make ridiculous statements like that. Also 23carragold, zielinski is 22 and sterling and jack Wilshire made it to the best England 23, what's your point?


25 Jun 2016 18:10:56
Klopp out Kman!


25 Jun 2016 18:42:52
Which games are these kman? Given we only were due to sign him after the season ended? Admit it, you've not seen more than one game of him (if that) . Your posts are so petulant on a regular basis. You do nothing but moan without any substance.


25 Jun 2016 19:34:38
STEPH1, where have I ever said klopp out just because I don't rate a player that he wants to sign?

87red we had strong interest in him quite a while ago, then there where reports of him having spoken to klopp. Then the eds mentioned is actually tapping him up, which meant we where genuinely interested in him and I watched him against lazio, Bologna and inter. Why would I say it if I hadn't watched him.

My posts do have substance as I've explained why he wouldn't be good enough for us and that he is not what we need. Everyone has opinions on certain players, it's hypocritical of anyone to say they think every signing we make is a good one and that they will get behind them and then turn around and slag them off when they play badly for us. You can sit there and tell me you've never done that but it's nonsense.


25 Jun 2016 19:57:16
I reckon you know better than klopp and the transfer committee kman. If klopp is booted it if we haven't won the league 12 games in you're my first choice. Give players a chance.


25 Jun 2016 20:25:54
Know better than the transfer committee? Klopp has a good track record but I think my 8 yr old daughter could do better than our transfer committee.


25 Jun 2016 15:32:12
I for 1 is pretty happy with mane signing (if it happen) he got the ability needed and that's all it matter to me. attitude wise I don't really care as long as he perform on the pitch unless those attitude is causing a disturbance in the dressing room, that's another thing.

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25 Jun 2016 21:11:22
Kman, can you give an example of when I've done this? Good luck because I haven't. 3 games is not enough for you to have a real idea of his ability. Origi was branded a poor signing at the start of the season and people have changed their tune now with a bit more time. I know I'm wasting my breath but you are unbelievably negative, give it a rest. If you were more balanced in your posts people might take more note.


25 Jun 2016 14:58:39
Can't wait to sign Redmond next season. Joking aside I think mane is what we need, something different to what we have and can add better support for our strikers. Probably spells the end for one of the CAMs. Then time for a slim down of the squad. Keep up the hard work eds, much appreciated.

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25 Jun 2016 19:17:00
Redmond is for summer 2018.


25 Jun 2016 12:11:34
Am I the only one to believe Nathan Redmond will have a blinder at Southampton and We would buy him next summer for another massive fee.
Every other replacement bought by saints from Pelle to Tadic has made us look extremely naive in buying their players.
Nothing wrong with Mane ( pace and power with decent goal scoring record ) I am worried if he would do exactly a Lallana.
Can I have ken Aguero on the page who warned us all when we bought Lallana ( he called him a Charlie Adam )

I can't see Mane winning us the league.

Not ranting strict observations due past terrible experience.

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25 Jun 2016 14:42:16
He's not remotely like Charlie adam.


25 Jun 2016 14:48:50
Mane would fill in a massive, great big hole in our squad.
Could prove to be an excellent signing, really looking forward to seeing what he can do for us.


25 Jun 2016 14:55:13
For gods sake, give over on the player bashing.


25 Jun 2016 15:12:51
Lallana like Adam? Are you and Ken mad?

I literally cannot even think of a single comparison. They are different ages, different physiques, different positions, different mentality's, different stronger foot, different nationalities.

Ridiculous comparison. Ken was a good lad, but he was way off the mark with that one! I suppose they both have the name Adam in some way, shape or form. But so do I and I haven't been offered a contract at Liverpool!


{Ed001's Note - and Redmond is crap while we are talking about ludicrous comparisons. I wouldn't take him on a free.}

25 Jun 2016 15:27:32
guys chill. I think what he really meant is that Adam played well for his former club but not so much for us, in a way same as lallana which perform decent for Southampton but not so for us.


25 Jun 2016 15:40:12
This Mane signing has loosened so many screws in peoples' heads. Never seen it like this here before.


25 Jun 2016 15:53:22
Oh i have ra1999. 😀.


25 Jun 2016 17:57:09
We will just have to wait and see. I know most of us are concerned with the price but in terms of talent we are quite well off up top so if mane didn't work out we have players that can come in anyway. If mane was a replacement for coutinho or firmino then I'd definitely share your concerns. My concerns are personally on the midfield and left back positions as we don't have the quality to compete at the top in those positions and don't exactly look like correcting that. Just my opinion.


25 Jun 2016 13:54:15
I see every window with us when we are interested In an expensive signing fans make up every excuse to why he will be a great signing. Ballotelli, benteke, Andy Carroll.
Mane at his price and attitude is a terrible possible signing. yall can keep coming up with he has terrific ability and sweep his attitude away but it's thinking like that that has us were we are, a mid table club.
We need players that have performed week in week out in their leagues and have a great attitude. Ronaldo and suarez wouldn't have been half the players they are with a poor attitude. Too many are just assuming a players attitude means jackass . You're living in lala land.
I personally hope we don't sign mane. I hope we stay well clear when Southampton demand upwards of 40 million. It will save a lot of tears.

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25 Jun 2016 14:11:50
I don't think your 2 examples are that great to be fair.


25 Jun 2016 14:16:45
In ways Ronaldo's and Suarez attitudes are worse because they are great players and can therefore get away with it.


25 Jun 2016 14:17:31
I don't think the problem with Benteke or Carrol was attitude. they didn't suit our style, we didn't do enough in my view to accommodate our game to their advantages, and in the case of Benteke I also don't think he handled the pressure well. Ballotelli is a different story altogether but he was really an extreme case (and even with him, his attitude doesn't fully explain why he was so poor for us, ten times worse than when he played for City) . It is nice to read here about the great attitudes of Suarez, after so many here used to say that his tendency to bite other players is a disgrace to the club and stuff like that.

What are the big attitude problem Mane has? What exactly did he do? You want players who perform week in week out in their league? I also want them, except it seems Messi is not coming and neither is Ronaldo. And most football players has attitudes issues. The better ones anyway. I prefer a footballer with a lot of talent and a bit of attitude issues (within reason) on a player with great attitude and no talent, and he have bought many of the latter in recent years.

Will Mane signing work for us? no one can say. Signings are a huge gamble. Check the last summer - some of the names that were highly regarded here and many people would be thrilled it we could bring : Depay, Schwienstiger, Bonny, Mitrovich and many others turned out to be flop. On the face of things Mane is a talented footballer that scores goals and create chances and he seems to suit our style. That's good enough for me.


25 Jun 2016 14:35:38
I agree that we shouldn't be paying way over the odds for a player like mane. He is however, someone that will fit into our system. That is the difference to the players you mentioned above. We need pace and width and he offers that with good stats in his favour, but that is not worth £30m in my opinion. I have been underwhelmed by some of the transfers/ targets we have pursued this summer but mane isn't one of them. He should be better than lallana, which is an improvement to the first 11. That is what most of us wanted, clear improvements on the first 11 *cough not chilwell cough not zielinski cough*.


25 Jun 2016 15:24:41
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Suarez and ronaldo have never missed a training session and are there early, leave late, have winning mentalities. Maybe you should look up what attitude means mate.


25 Jun 2016 15:54:40
I think Mane would compliment our forward line perfectly. Attitude can be adjusted, ability is inherent.


25 Jun 2016 13:35:16
Cautiously optimistic mane works out, but I feel our record of buying Southampton players is about as good as buying Italian players. We need to start treating them like lawn art, appreciate it whsn you're walking by, but don't bring it home.

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25 Jun 2016 12:34:42
hi eds i don't know if this has been asked, but what will it mean for players from europe coming to play for liverpool will they need a visa or a work permit like the south americans and other players from other countries that need visas or work permits to play in our league.

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{Ed001's Note - too early to know.}

25 Jun 2016 12:31:03
If (when) Mane signs, and if the Chilwell deal actually happens, will that be our transfer business regarding incomings pretty much completed for this window, or can anyone see us looking to strengthen other areas?

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25 Jun 2016 12:59:37
Klopp wants a Can-Dahoud midfield.


25 Jun 2016 12:59:46
Central Midfield.


25 Jun 2016 13:08:58
Definitely agree with Dwaronaboat CM Milner, Can, Hendo as a midfield doesn't work. Need somebody defensively stronger.


25 Jun 2016 13:47:57
Haven't mönchengladbach just bought a third midfielder? Pretty sure they still won't want to sell dahoud unless we do a mane and offer them way over the odds which won't happen. Although I like the look of mane, and will be moderately happy if we do sign him I think we are paying over the odds again for a player we shouldn't pay way over the odds for (like benteke, lallana for example) . Yet we won't pay over the odds for players like dahoud. I'd never want us to pay way over the odds for anyone but if your going to do it at least do it on exceptional talent.


25 Jun 2016 12:58:49
I think that will be it. No more incoming and focus would be to offload players who are not in managers plan.


25 Jun 2016 15:03:41
I think we need to get Dahoud before everyone realises that it wasn't just Xakha running it over there.


25 Jun 2016 12:23:34
I was thinking about Manes attitude problems and thought they could just be down to the fact that he knows he is good and should be playing for a better and bigger club, so just maybe when he comes here he will find his right level, i mean no disrespect to Southampton because we have bought many of their players, so i hope he comes in and sees the better quality players around him and he settles right in, its only my opinion so i'm not saying this is why he has a bad attitude but there is something behind it and maybe that's what it is, if it is that then we will sign a good player whose attitude will get better which will help him develop into an even better player, i know klopp gets the best out of players playing wise but i don't know if he has had players before with a bad attitude and he has changed that attitude of a player, maybe the eds will know so all in all there's a good chance of his attitude changing once he comes to us and is so we will then have a very good player who klopp will get the most out of, my only gripe is how much he will cost because up to now klopp has been able to get players for the right price and has not have to pay over the odds, but i'm sure there are better players out there for £30 mill or a little bit more that will bring the club up a level.

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{Ed002's Note - I think the Southampton fans would disagree with Liverpool being a "better club". Southampton finished above Liverpool after they paid over the odds for all of those Southampton players - and they are just about to pay over the odds again. And Klopp does not decide on the fees being paid by Liverpool.}

25 Jun 2016 12:42:46
I also disagree but maybe I'm old fashioned. every employer regardless of status (and Southampton is very close to Liverpool if you disregard history) deserves respect and hard work. I'm hoping it's just immaturity and he'll grow out of it with Klopps guidance as he seems to be able to build close relationships and respect with his players.


25 Jun 2016 12:39:32
In your opinion ed, how much is Mané worth?


{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant, what matters is that Southampton don't want to sell unless someone pays well over the odds.}

25 Jun 2016 12:41:21
thanks for the reply ed002, in my post i did say i mean no disrespect to southampton, do you know if has had to manage a player with attitude problems before while he was in germany, i also agree with you over the fees that we have paid to the saints for the players we have bought from them, i thought klopp said he would not pay over the odds for a player in one of his interviews that's why i said that about klopp getting players for the right price in the players we have bought already, so thanks again ed002 for your prompt reply.


{Ed002's Note - He has had to deal with players who saw their game stiffled by Klopp's rather naive kopflose huhn style of training and play.

25 Jun 2016 12:51:26
Their fans can believe what they want. While Soton players were playing scribble and fifa we were pushing for domestic and european titles, crushing them 6-1 along the way.


{Ed002's Note - What an embarrassing post.}

25 Jun 2016 13:24:29
Ed002
It seems to me you don't like klopp. Just curious if that is the case and what I'd your reasoning?
Matt in FL.


{Ed002's Note - I have no idea how you have concluded that. I wasn't one of the players who saw their game stiffled by Klopp's rather naive kopflose huhn style of training and play.}

25 Jun 2016 13:45:07
Seems to me like managers will have players who either like, dislike, love or hate their style. Kinda like life really. Hopefully we bring in players who resonate with that style.


25 Jun 2016 13:50:25
If that's Klopps style, then players have to deal with it, anyone who doesn't like it, tough! Don't see the problem!


{Ed002's Note - But that is because you are an idiot. The style got found out, it caused problems amongst players, the clubs results were going backward and he hasn't won anything for years. He has shown no ability to change.}

25 Jun 2016 14:07:37
Bit unfair Ed2 he had one bad season at dortmund and so far things look good under him at Liverpool
mourinhio ed2 on the other hand can only manage clubs with loads of money and hit found out at Chelsea when they stopped giving it to him.


{Ed002's Note - It is not unfair - the last time the German League or Cup were won by Dortmund was in 2011/12. After that he failed to deliver and fell out with players once the style had been found out. The results started to go backwards and Klopp was unable to fulfill his contract. Liverpool's season finished with nothing with Klopp in charge - not a Champions League place, not a League win, not a cup and not a Europa League place - that I think you will find is called failure. There is nothing wrong with that, it is simply the truth.

Now, I have no idea why you wish to bring Mr Mourinho or Chelsea in to this - aside from being very, very embarrassing to you and the other Liverpool fans given the repeated efforts of the Liverpool owners to buy the league. The results of their efforts should indicate that they should have looked to employ Mr Mourinho (who has been successful under such circumstances) than Klopp who has failed to achieve in recent years.

Were you dropped repeatedly on your head as a child?}

25 Jun 2016 14:19:21
Granted he's not won anything, but he's been to three cup finals in just over 12 months, so it's not like his style is horrendously broken.


{Ed002's Note - Ok, you are right. Klopp is the ideal manager for Liverpool as long as the club, the owners and the fans are willing to accept, like you, that not winning is good.}

25 Jun 2016 14:44:18
Nice one ed2, people need to come back to reality. Klopp can do well for us, but hasn't so far. Get over it.


25 Jun 2016 14:44:38
Ed002 has a deep loathing for Liverpool the club and it's fans, so why keep on asking him repeatedly what his opinion is on us? Your only going to read rhetoric you dislike so leave it there.


{Ed002's Note - No I don't have any dislikes Waro - I am simply honest and you struggle with that. I have a number of friends who are Liverpool supporters and I have a couple of chums who of have played for Liverpool in the past. The problem is yours in that you get upset by the truth and the reality. And I accept that 40 years ago Liverpool were a jolly good team - as were Huddersfield Town forty years before that.

You are stuck in the "We Is Liverpool" mindset - it is a very tiny place to be.}

25 Jun 2016 15:03:56
Liverpool fans are fully behind Jurgan Klopp. Rather have him than 99% of managers out there.
It's the Players that are not good enough. He's already sorting that one out. Bye bye mid table squad that too many on here are happy with. Will you all be crying when he starts to sell?
Climb up the league next year without a doubt and we'll see what the German is all about. I can't wait!


25 Jun 2016 16:07:25
you speak the truth ed but you could always word it better. you know your always going to rile up fans on a liverpool site who just want to hear positive things about their team. everything you say just feels doom and gloom. We all recognise klopps issues, but he's certainly not a bad manager. i'm not telling you to lie or to not say the truth, just lighten up. maybe then, you wouldn't have to deal with these responses.


{Ed002's Note - You are right. The fluffy rainbow-colored unicorns who live in the magical butterfly forest say that that Klopp failed to win anything in recent years.}

25 Jun 2016 17:45:31
We have manager that brings passion, wit and entertaining football to the table. The man has had half a season in charge with Rodger's top picks at his disposal. I really think it's time to cut Klopp and Liverpool some slack. Our glass is half full, your's is half empty, ed2. Life goes on. It's just football.


{Ed002's Note - Your math leaves rather a lot to be desired. Klopp had more than 50 games to prove himself. I kno the Liverpool way is not to count the first season - then to change everyone in the summer - then don't forget he needs a period of transition. Feel free to hunt around for some more cliches - perhaps there will be something more apt out there.}

25 Jun 2016 18:02:42
So what your saying Ed002 is he's not the manager to bring LFC and supporters a bit glory?!? I know a lot of people get in your back on this site but you do fish for it and it actually sounds like you love it.


{Ed002's Note - Actually I have said nothing of the sort - I have simply corrected those who seem to think he has been winning year in year out in Germany and has carried on his success during the past 9 months at Liverpool. Everything I have said is correct - just that too many simply cannot see it nor accept.

It is easy to see the outcome when Klopp leaves for Bayern Munich in 2019 - the fans will crave the return of Little Stevie G as manager upon his release from prison - the new guru. And the cycle will begin again. All fun stuff.}

25 Jun 2016 18:18:40
no hard feelings ed, but it will be extra sweet if we have a great season. I can imagine a lot of fans rubbing it in your face, but i'm sure you will be as smug as ever if we have a terrible one. I hope to see you proved wrong about klopp.


{Ed002's Note - I have not said I expect the season to be bad nor anything of the type. I have not said anything about Klipperty that hasn't already happeded and isn't already true - this is the man who got you Steven Caulker remember.}

25 Jun 2016 19:46:02
Ed, where did I say that I was happy to accept not winning? You were suggesting Klopps tactics have been found out and whilst I do think he needs to learn and adapt, that's true of any manager. And all I was pointing out is that 3 finals in little over a year implies that whilst his tactics and style are not perfect, they're not completely useless either or he wouldn't have got that far.


{Ed002's Note - There is a binary switch between winning and losing. If he fails to win and you are happy with that given the vast amount of financial expenditure on players, then I find that to be pretty poor form.}

25 Jun 2016 20:36:10
To be fair, Caulker is probably a better striker than he is a centre back :D.


25 Jun 2016 21:10:57
Ed002 after three years of not even a whiff of a final, Klopp got lfc in two in what isn't even his first full season. Yes, if you enjoy taking a binary view of things, then, he hasn't won anything with the club yet. But if you take into account a little bit of nuance, the progress is clearer than my new pair of spectacles.


{Ed002's Note - Nobody is suggesting anything about the future. The point is that he has won nothing for years.}

25 Jun 2016 21:12:33
Where have I said I'm happy not to be winning? And that's regardless of what's spent. I've simply pointed out that perhaps Klopp isn't as hopeless as your above post was insinuating.


{Ed002's Note - You are happy and Liverpool are not winning. Klopp might well do better in the future, but for years he has failed. And failed with collateral damage.}

25 Jun 2016 22:04:46
Where did I say I was happy Ed?


26 Jun 2016 09:17:25
Ed, what you bring to the table is genuinely appreciated. It is based on facts and there are no lies or manipulations involved. I thank you for pointing out that we as fans do not think with our heads and always with our hearts, which is quite unacceptable. I will now lock myself in a room and come out when we have managed to win a trophy. I will then wait anxiously for the next time I will have to lock myself in the room as the manager has been found out. I am hoping you will be there to point it out Ed. Thank you.

P. S. Let us know if we should be criticising the manager as he is found out, or the owners for appointing someone who was found out long back (since 2012 is it? ) . Or we can do both, that being our forte.

Keenly wait for your reply.

- Krishna.


26 Jun 2016 16:40:01
The fluffy unicorns from the magical butterfly forest comment made me laugh a lot.


25 Jun 2016 10:49:38
Liverpool still pursuing Dahoud, looking to land him for a fee of 20 million, nani has recently been linked are we chasing him ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

25 Jun 2016 10:59:03
Everton are looking at Nani, we're still looking at Mane. If I'm honest Mane looks a better option than others we've looked at and I'll be the first to say I wasn't in favour of us signing him but if you gave me the choice of Mane, Walcott, Oxlade, Townsend or Nani, it would be Mane all day long.


25 Jun 2016 11:23:10
We are not after Dahoud.


25 Jun 2016 11:41:11
Oh we are after Dahoud . We just won't get him.


25 Jun 2016 12:13:39
Nani has been brilliant after his exit from UTD. Think it's a smart piece of business by Everton. Small fee and very less pressure.


25 Jun 2016 15:59:56
Last time i saw Nani he was crying his eyes out on a stretcher after bumping into Jamie Carragher.


25 Jun 2016 08:42:17
I think everyone in the world now knows that joe allen has always been a midfielder.

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25 Jun 2016 10:54:45
do you guys like those videos. i never liked it and for me it was better when there were no videos.


25 Jun 2016 08:34:49
Hey ed01.do you realistically see Firminho leaving?

I would be gutted if this goes thru. he was my favorite player last season.

FSG have to be firm and say "NOT FOR SALE". We can't afford to lose our best players every transfer window.

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{Ed001's Note - not this summer I don't expect him to.}

25 Jun 2016 08:53:23
Don't expect him to go but we really really need a massive clear out as squad is far too big sell small players and use money to put towards better one.


25 Jun 2016 15:05:08
Sell them all. Start again under Jurgen Klopp.
I wish.


26 Jun 2016 00:45:48
Xbox you've got to be kidding. Another 2+ years of transition and that's assuming klopp was able to buy/ sell everyone he wanted.


25 Jun 2016 08:26:24
Southampton in talks to sign Redmond from Norwich, according to Sky. Preparing for life after Sadio Mane?

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25 Jun 2016 12:28:30
i think we were after redmond ourselves at one time, i think we should buy him because he has the talent and will only get better also we should go in for him now instead of buying him off southampton in a season or 2 were his price will treble, i wonder how much southampton payed for S. Mane and how much profit they will make on him.


25 Jun 2016 12:34:38
Mbrock99 According to Wikipedia, Saints signed Mane for £11.8m, so that is a very tidy profit for them.


25 Jun 2016 08:14:55
I know Mane has attitude issues but hopefully it will all work out under Klopp.

I am just a little wary of buying Southampton players. for all the money we have spent we have never got a real talent.

30-35 mill pounds is a ridiculous fee to pay. I guess this means Coutinho is definitely off. some days I just hate the transfer window: (

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25 Jun 2016 08:41:39
Football is full of ridiculous fees. Forget the money, enjoy the football.


25 Jun 2016 08:48:19
I don't think it means coutinho is off.
An attacking 4 or coutinho, Firmino, mane and Sturridge up top is frightening. Great balance of Pace and technically gifted Brazilians lol

Maybe it's true benteke will go to recoup some of manes price back. Who knows!

I hope phillipe doesn't leave

What do others think?


25 Jun 2016 08:57:29
I think if the right price is on the table with big club IE barcalona or real he will go he as come out and said already he wants to win things now as he is pushing onwards I just don't think we will win things anytime soon breaks my heart saying that but that's the truth cheers.


25 Jun 2016 09:57:46
Think we'll start winning things soon myself. Sorted the keeper and cbs. Nothing much else wrong with squad.


25 Jun 2016 12:59:29
We could of won things last season maybe if he turned up in the final he'd have a WINNERS medal an be looking forward to game v Madrid for another cup? he's deluded. Probably say he never wanted to leave when no "big" club come in for him.


25 Jun 2016 13:40:44
One man not turning up in final didn't lose it for us. we are a team and lose as a team. Coutinho is a very good player just not that consistent at the moment.


25 Jun 2016 14:17:33
I know magico. Does my head in all the talk of coutinho wanting out because he thinks he will win trophies elsewhere. What he means is he wants someone to hand him medals for little effort! Also he has been inconsistent since he arrived an that won't change. If you wait there a min I'll go get my book of plausible excuses you can pass it out amongst you.


25 Jun 2016 15:21:48
I tend to agree john, if he really wanted to win things he could have come out with his game face on and inspired us to a win rather than jog his way through the match and hardly touch the ball.

Disclaimer: this is a criticism of his effort for that game only but i still think he is our best player when on song. I don't want him sold either nor am i turning on him because he wants to leave. Just criticsm of that one game and to my mind rightly so.


25 Jun 2016 07:21:34
Im not sure what the Mane signing means for Lallana or even Milner as he will most probably start on the right wing. Emre and Hendo or Grujic as the 2 sitting in front of back 4.

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25 Jun 2016 08:56:59
I'm more worried about what it will mean for Ojo.


25 Jun 2016 10:17:59
I'm more worried for branno with zielinkski looking likely.

Would go sith branno, Lucas, hendo, grujic, can and matip and the mids.

Behind a deadly coutinho firmino mane with either origi or sturridge up tip.

And unless we recoup 20 mil for lallana I think we should definitely keep him. Having him to come on with 30 to go and run at everyone could bee very useful.


25 Jun 2016 10:53:06
I would be ok with selling one of either Llalana or Milner as both do the same job in my mind (hard working wide men but lacking in pace and a killer touch in front of goal) and then give some of the juniors more of a chance. We probably also don't need all of Ojo, Ibe and Markovic so I'd sell Ibe.

That would leave Coutinho and Markovic covering left, Mane and Llalana right, with Ojo as backup and Firmino/ Zielinski covering no.10 and Brannagan backing up at no.10 or deeper midfield.


25 Jun 2016 12:15:24
Paulo
What do you see in Lucas that Klopp couldn't see?


25 Jun 2016 05:32:47
Does mane play on the right or the left does anybody know?

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25 Jun 2016 05:58:44
Gk or usually groundsman.


25 Jun 2016 06:38:52
Played both, and as a no.10, but he's scored most of his goals from the right. I expect he'd play on the right for us with Coutinho left.


25 Jun 2016 07:04:19
Sounds good to me with firmino off the striker.


25 Jun 2016 07:22:11
He would replace Lallana in the starting eleven. I think we should move Lallana to recoup some cash.


 
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