Liverpool Banter Archive March 25 2013
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25 Mar 2013 23:03:54
Why are some fans constantly sayin shelvey will go
Hes a young lad whos had good games and bad but if he's played in the right position which I think is in a midfield 3 alOngside gerrard and lucas he's got the touch and ability, yess he's slow but so is lampard but the have something in common besides bien slow they want to score goals, a lot of people will not agree with me but ireally think shelvey is a prospect along with suso stirling ibe and couple others they jus need support and guidence
Basy
26 Mar 2013 06:19:47
Lampard slow at 35? OMG! This guy used to be very quick even now he's not that slow. I seriously think Shelvey will never get to the level of Gerard and Lampard.
100% agree with Basy I am a big fan of Shelvey and see him as a replacement for Gerrard, they both have so many similarities, both love a tackle, to score goals, can pick out short or long passes I really do think Shelvey will become a top player.
Shelvey is a good prospect, but he plays a lot different to gerrard, let's not overhype him & let him get on with it!
Firstly, Shelvey does not have Gerrards power and strenght to bust a gut that made Gerrard the player he was. That said, I have watched Shelvey against Utd in the reserves and the next reserve game after (west ham?) and he was so far ahead of every player on the pitch for both teams. He will clearly be a good player but maybe not the grade that we would hope as Liverpool fans to be playing for us.
The Irish Rover
26 Mar 2013 14:04:38
It doesn't matter if he doesn't have pace, for that matter I don't ever remember Lampard being quick.
Lampards goals are all timing, precision. Timing, precision.
Good guide in Gerrard!
Agree with The Irish Rover: Good player Shelvey but will never be a great player.
Lfc require great players in the position Shelvey aspires to.
Welshboydave is right about Lampard although I would think that Frank would be quicker than Shelvey. The main point being that Shelveys game is not about timing or precision. He has never been a player that arrives in the box and scores crucial goals which Lampard can do with his eyes shut.
The Irish Rover
26 Mar 2013 16:43:21
Maybe not now Rover. But i'd expect him to learn and adapt, especially if his long term position is the tip of the 3 midfielders. I doubt Lamps goal record was much better at the same age.
It may not happen, i'm just saying I think he can improve. He doesn't have to be as good as Gerrard or Lampard to still be excellent.
26 Mar 2013 18:41:56
We can't compare shelvey to gerrard but peopl who say shelvey can't be as good as lampard are wrong lsn he is only 20 years old so vey young and the one thing av noticed about him is he is very comfortable on the ball and someone before mentioned he doent arrive in the box like lampard but you have to giv him time to learn and progress,, last point rodgers should not play him wide should play him in
Middle!
Basy
25 Mar 2013 20:48:20
England U 21
Shelvey scores and is best English player by far
Stirling quiet, Wisdom OK
Austrian midfielder Holtzeneir (?) looks very good, only 20 and is 6'4" and great vision - one to look out for
Shelvey pretty good though as well
If a good offer comes we should let him go.
We should play him not keep him on the bench
25 Mar 2013 20:33:24
Was reading through the posts and someone claimed Bale has only been good since the new year. Now I'm not debating he's been scoring many goals in that time but was just interested to know if you think only goals count towards player of the year?
Bale was a left midfielder beginning of the season and has moved into a more central role as the season has progressed, but performed very well before his run of goals at left mid. Now although I think as a result of great consistency in goal scoring Suarez SHOULD be player of the year I think people need to accept (if Bale wins) that he does deserve it as much as Suarez. The fact Liverpool fans can only see the quality of there own players is the reason you are one of the most frustrating fans to deal with. Suarez has been quality this season but equally so has Bale and RVP so no need to complain about the timing of the vote, just congratulate the winner!
'The fact Liverpool fans can only see the quality of there own players is the reason you are one of the most frustrating fans to deal with. '
You lost me at that point. Stop generalising all Liverpool fans, it really is ridiculous and wrong. It's the same when United fans crack on about RVP, or Swansea fans about Michu, or Spurs fans about Bale, or Villa fans about Benteke, or Newcastle fans about Ben Arfa. It's the same for all teams. This sweeping statement that other teams fans make about LFC fans is pathetic, in the same way it gets boring hearing people say we're 'deluded', no we're not, otherwise people wouldn't be up in arms about our position.
And just for what it's worth, I think Bale is a phenomenal player, as I do RVP, but neither of them have played to the level Suarez has, simply because he's carried a faltering team effortlessly. He deserves it, followed by RVP.
JFT 96
JP
I think suarez has been the most constant call me bias but I generally don't think you can deny the guy not only is an amazing player but works so hard for the team and has been flexible on where he can play. When he talked about him practising free kicks as well the guy lives and breaths football. The other two have been out standing suarez has just been better! Not only that but I can't stand bale at all
Londonred
Liverpool fans not deluded? please, have you not seen what players the majority of 'fans' link to your club? At best its football manager related
It should be:-
Player of the year - Suarez
Young player of the year - Bale
Manager of the year - Laudrup
And put RVP in the team of the year along side Suarez and Bale.
Problem solved.
Agree with Londonred, honesty is always the best policy, can't stand Bale myself.
26 Mar 2013 08:20:05
bale is quiet good player. was a lb. then a lw. and then moved to center. and has hit some screamer.
but how many years?
difference between suarez and bale.
suarez plays for the team. he never gives up. he can score from RB position.
infact anywhere. he was phenominal with ajax. and didn't took time to do the same with Liverpool.
he will socre the same goals with any team anywhere.
coz. he is the best when it comes to football.
bale might or might not have a good season next year. who knows.
But I can guarantee Suaez will still hit 25 goals in italy spain or england.
you don't find too many player who train every single minute. plays every single minute. kiss the badge every single time when he gets the chance.
You put him in RB. and keep johnosn at RW. he will still score a goal from half way through.
. Probably He is last top 4 quality player. Liverpool FC have signed. "
Don't understand why people dislike bale?
26 Mar 2013 09:36:58
I like bale. no doubt. but he is the best. I dislike this sentence.
messi is the best. but I love ronaldo.
How can you dislike a "sentence" when it only consists of 5 words, 4 of which are under 4 letters?
Some of the responses are very realistic and interesting to read but then someone claims "if Suarez played RB then he'd still score goals" Is that what you want from your RB, scoring your goals? I wouldn't, I'd rather them assisting and creating. Back to my original point, do you only think goals = good player?
Also on top of that people at the top of the page are claiming Suarez is 3rd best in the world. Sorry had to pause to laugh. A lot! This in my opinion proves my point, can't see past your own set of players. Inesta, Xavi, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Toure, casillas, RVP, Kompany I could go on. Are you still sure he's top 3? Now I apologise to any fan who isn't so naive but believe me MOST Liverpool fans are frustrating to talk to.
25 Mar 2013 19:35:15
Just watching most wanted the road to Istanbul final on LFCtv, got to be one of the best games ever, still makes the hair on the back of my neck tingle, just amazing. Jayspearingsghost
25 Mar 2013 20:02:49
Me too, watching the double save for me! Incredible!
Yes me too, the sad thing is, it makes you realise how far away we are from those great nights again.
Red Ant.
25 Mar 2013 20:56:39
boy. that was the moment.
now go back a year. and watch Liverpool vs olympiacos. gerrard. you beauty.
now some fans will start commenting.
how embarassing. get over it. look for the future.
There is no reason why we should look back to those times with affection, just as we look back at Hillsborough and Heysel with sadness.
The real AG
Yes but the sad thing is we have a go at other teams for living in the past
26 Mar 2013 14:07:08
No point building memorys not to remember them!
Its not living in the past, its reliving the best european final ever.
25 Mar 2013 19:09:40
Suarez to stay. Reina to stay Coates to stay
Carroll to go Skrtel to go and Shelvey to go.
Ben arfa to come in plus others in a very busy summer
Boom shake shake shake shake the room
Coates will go I feel.
Shelvey will stay. Ben Arfa would be a good addition.
25 Mar 2013 19:06:13
The owners knew how much running the club and the debts were when they got us a couple hundred mill on the cheap
That shouldn't effect our ambitions as a club and fans our expectations are extremely high
We need a new stadium and to be targeting europes best players not players no one wants!
If they can't do that then I don't want them here {Ed002's Note - Typical, ignorance over knowledge and no support for the club.}
And poor spelling and grammar to boot
Ed they are only posting trollness to get a response from you, I know they must get on your goat, you do understand that they are either bitters or manc trolls. JSG {Ed002's Note - I don't have a goat.}
Now your getting on my goat ed, don't make me get out my flying monkeys. JSG
25 Mar 2013 18:49:59
Mignolet, De Vrij, Wanyama, Honda, Benteke would be a great summer for me!
25 Mar 2013 20:57:48
my God. vehicles for you.
BTW I love honda.
25 Mar 2013 17:24:28
Just a note about Martin Kelly, we are all going to have to be really patient as MK makes his return from injury. He will need time to rediscover his sharpness and form and having played the majority of his senior career at right back he will need time to readjust to the centre back position. On that basis, if we lose Skrtel and Coates in addition to Carra I fully expect 2 Centre backs to sign - a regular partner for Agger and and a third choice centre back of calibre who can deputise with Kelly and Wisdom providing further cover at Centre Back as well as both featuring at Right Back.
DT
Agree, but I expect our medical team to look after Kelly and bring him back better than before physically. Just look at Agger and Gerrard, even Johnson all seem to be managed brilliantly.
The real AG
That will hopefully be the case touchwood AG, particularly in light of Glen Driscoll's recent comments about his rehabilitation.
DT
Stephen Sama should be brought through for CB
25 Mar 2013 17:18:24
I know it would never happen but how good would james rodriguez make our team. Him, coutinho, suarez and sturridge destroying defense after defence. We'd fly up the table.
Lil Red
Hate to tell you this, but scoring hasn't been your problem - 2nd highest scorers in the league behind United. It's defenders you need.
AJH
Ajh ha funny that.
I have a solution. We'll get some top defenders AND james rodriguez. Problem solved
26 Mar 2013 02:42:25
AJH, look at our bench, we have some youngsters who needs experience. We need 1 or 2 quality wide players IMO.
ynwa
Where will the money come from. ?
25 Mar 2013 18:51:44
i will be very supprised if BR does not go for another swansea player, not williams but the left back who has not played all season because he has a broken ankle, his name is niel taylor
If you said that a year ago I would have been very happy, as he would have provided quality backup and competition for Enrique.
Unfortunately Taylor's injury is a very serious one and I'm sure we wouldn't try and sign him until he is back fully fit and performing week in week out again at the level he previously was at, which could take the whole of next season or more or may never happen.
25 Mar 2013 17:04:56
Liverpool are testing sergi caños from Barca. He is 16 years old. Hope he is a scoop like when Arsenal found Fabregas. Danieldenmark
25 Mar 2013 16:19:27
Life was so simple, loads of money in the bank, Bentley on the drive, 6 holidays a year and a young gorgeous blonde accompanying me everywere and taking care of my every whim, and of course LFC were top of the league winning trophy after trophy, how times have changed. sighs
David Moyes?
The Mrs found out about the blonde, divorced you, took the Bentley and half the money then you gambled the rest on Liverpool winning a title.
Omg, an eighties yuppy
Michael Owen?
Michael Owen?
Ronnie Moran?
25 Mar 2013 15:27:37
Everton fan ere! Few points - fsg have invested stupid amounts of money into yet you all moan you want more just very bad desicions made by managers also you all have a calibre of player you want I understand that but. that type of player doesn't want to play for probably the worst Liverpool team for 30/40 years so from my observations I think it will take time but strip back the team sell assets and rebuild around younger player!
Well said, money has been wasted and this is the worst Liverpool side for many years - and its not very often I agree with a blue.
A couple of excellent points but this is by no means the worst Liverpool side for the last 30/40 years I think we were far worse under Souness. 10 squad/fringe players out and 3/4 quality finished article players in (in addition to keeping LS) and we will be right up there in the hunt for top 4 next season.
DT
25 Mar 2013 19:53:48
in 2005 we won the champions league with a team I consider to be in the same league as the team we have now, if anything we have better individual players now. its not about the money spent and the players you have. its about the moment. in 2005 Liverpool grabbed it with pure passion and soul. players who would die for the cause. we have some great players now and have shown great character. Liverpools problem is that with our current style it lacks the physical passionate side, its very good to watch when we get an early goal and destroy teams b ut when we don't start quick it goes against us. and just to let you blues over the road know. we have our 'worst team' for 30 years yet we are still fighting and winning trophies consecutively. 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2012 etc. were still a team that will always win trophies its just when we will start to win them back to back like we use to. unfortunately for you your peak is where you are, your average is below where you are and our average is up there with the best.
ynwa
calum red
Worst team in 30-40 years and you are only 3 points in front of us,
I even made myself laugh
We had a pretty good 1st team in 2008/09, maybe even best in the league, it was the lack of depth that we struggled with!
Maybe if Benitez hadn't sold Robbie Keane in jan 2009 we would have won the league. Keane was left on the bench and out of the squad in favour of Ngog #rafalosttheplot
26 Mar 2013 09:39:07
not really.
rafa plays 4-2-3-1 formation.
torres up front. gerrard alonso and masch in the midfield. which leave right and left. kuyt on nthe right.
babel, riera, benaayonn was better than keane any day on the left. so he was left out.
rafa never started nogog over keane any match.
may be as a subs for the last 4 added min when torres comes out.
Besides Keane being signed by afro sporting megalomaniac Rick Parry against the wishes of the manager, apparantly wee Rob is supposed to be too thick to follow basic instructions during games
25 Mar 2013 15:12:01
If I had to predict what business I think we'll do in the summer, I'd say that Coates and Skrtel will both leave and we'll get a decent fee for the latter. Despite losing three centre-halfs, we will buy only two new ones as Kells will shift inside as Sergio Ramos has and I believe we'll see the best of him there next season. I think (and hope) that Shelvey will leave and we will buy a more experienced, disciplined deeper-lying midfielder. A certain Spaniard would do nicely. A wide player is apparently a priority and Rodgers wants an adaptable forward also. Reina has until the end of the season to prove himself as Milan and Barcelona are both circling and Mignolet is a potential replacement.
My predictions are as follows:
In:
[Simon Mignolet] Ashley Williams, Carlos Zambrano, Xabi Alonso, Hatem Ben Arfa, Andreas Weimann.
Out:
[Pepe Reina] Peter Gulacsi, Jamie Carragher (retired), Martin Skrtel, Sebastian Coates, Danny Wilson, Jay Spearing, Jonjo Shelvey, Oussama Assaidi, Dani Pacheco.
Loans: Jon Flanagan, Conor Coady, Suso, Adam Morgan.
The players you have mentioned to bring in are not going to take us to the next level, they are average players at best.
In:
De Vrij (cb)
Alonso (dm/cm)
Arda Turan (rw/lm/cam)
Alonso and Ben arfa would move us forward. The others would not.
Mignolet is definitely an improvement on Reina
26 Mar 2013 08:11:10
i think instead of de virj we should make a move for ingo martinez he is only 21 and is attack minded just like agger.
25 Mar 2013 14:14:57
When will fans realise that no player is bigger than the club.
Players come and go - its the nature of football.
Players who wear the shirt do so for a temporary period of time- they are ultimately employees of the Club.
The club and loyal fans are the only permanent fixtures in football.
We should never become attached to the players, the fact is they operate on a different mindset - Money, more money and maybe winning a medal is essentially all they think about.
There are only a select few players that will ever be loyal to the Club - Carra is about the only one at present. much as we admire Stevie G- even his head was turned once before.
My point is -don't get too attached to Luis Suarez - he's having a decent season but he has no loyalty to us - he is merely doing what he is supposed to be doing - ie the best he can for the fans and club that pays him handsomely.
He will at some point want to leave - well I say let him. The same goes for any player that wants to go - let them. !
There is no room for lack of commitment or sentiment to the cause.
Should Suarez want to go then we should sell him forthwith to the highest bidder - it's not as we won't go on as a Club.
Another few players will arrive and we move on without him with some decent acquisition.
Any player that has the privilege to adorn the red shirt should know and understand that we fans would do anything to play for the Club.
Players will kiss the badge and celebrate with the fans for a bit. but ultimately do they really give a toss what we fans think. !? No - because they are fickle and detached from us and that's why it's not worth ever getting attached to any player, regardless of how good he may be.
M
25 Mar 2013 14:43:28
suarez is up there with the best players in the world us true fans want Liverpool back to the top if Liverpool are to get back to the top players like suarez need to stay simple Matt
I disagree with most of what you say. Everyone has their favourite players that they like to watch. Yes, they are playing for the team that we support, but there is nothing wrong with having favourite players at the same time. I agree that some will write themselves into the history of LFC whereas others will be less remembered, but without any outstanding naturally talented individual players it would be a lot more boring.
I don't want Suarez to leave because firstly he is so exciting to watch, secondly because he helps our team win, and thirdly cus I don't want anyone else to have him!
Saying that players come and go is true, but try to enjoy the players a bit whilst we have them - especially the ones as good as Suarez.
25 Mar 2013 14:54:21
This post also prooves that we are no longer a top club who simple can't hold of their best players.
If we were fighting for glories every year, title, Cl, medals. like suarez none would ever want to move out.
Yes Players are pure employees and they are tempted.
But they would love to be playing for club which fight for titles every year.
I don't think suarez will move to sunderland or new castle if his wages are doubled.
He would only move to a club who could get him tltes.
If we don't get attached to our players. KK would never have been a legend.
Is that why you call yourself simple matt?
If you look at football like that it takes away the fun off it and gives it a very full view of football. Yeah fair enough it's very rational way of looking at it but football is more about the passion and that' comes with loving and idolising players in my opinion
London red
You say that Carra is the only one? Wrong. Carra has never been tempted, as with the greatest respect he is not in the same league and could only dream of being in the same demand as Steven Gerrard.
The fact that Gerrard has been an amazing once in a lifetime World Class player and still stayed loyal to Liverpool? In my opinion that far outweighs Carra's loyalty (who although great for LFC could have struggled elsewhwere) if you need to make distinctions.
I sort of agree with M. Certainly cheer on players while they are here. Make up songs if you like but don't be shocked or disgusted if they move on. It happens at all clubs. In fact I am more than happy to sell them when they have had 3 good seasons with us and sell them for their maximum value. Of course the money would need to be re invested on players and the manager would have to buy the right players. That is the problem tho.
Thwe Irish Rover
Of cousre the OP has hit the nail on the head yet some of the deluded still don't see it as it is!
Maybe they believe Suarez "loves the club" or that it is better to stand in the way of a player who wants to leave and keep him against his will?
HB
I agree somewhat with regards to no one player being bigger than the club.
However, once in a while you end up with a truly world class talent in your team and you should try to hang onto that talent for as long as possible.
What's the point in us selling Suarez (who is probably only behind Messi and Ronaldo in terms of dribbling ability, balance, creativity etc) and buying 1-2 up and coming players? You're then forever rebuilding you attack, team, etc. It's fair to say that you would probably need 2 players to achieve the level of ability, creativity & work-rate that Suarez currently brings to the team. Why not hold onto that and and have someone else to bring in maybe the one thing he doesn't have (the Drogba type raw power and aerial threat)?
I think Lukaku would be a perfect foil for Suarez.
Add to that, the creativity of Coutinho and the ability of Sturridge, you have probably one of the best attacking 4 of nearly every other team.
You can't see round corners! Your whole post is based on the assumption that Suarez has no loyalty? You don't know that? No one does, let's just wait and see what happens.
My grandson and grandaughter both love him and won't have any other shirt and I'm sure it's the same all over the planet for young LFC supporters.
It's well nigh impossible to tell them not to become too attached.
Football is about great players and passion.
Supporting the players and the club are what it's all about and that passion for them is a good thing (generally speaking). That said, overestimation of a player's loyalty is also not entirely healthy. Suarez may like it here, but clearly not so much that he felt it inappropriate to go to Turin last summer, or have clauses placed in his contract, or continually saying things that probably shouldn't be said to the press. Bit astonishing how much support he gets (which is kinda nice to see I guess) considering his role in the sacking of KK, but to each their own. Whatever happens with him happens- I just hope people don't take it out on the owners and manager if he were to leave, but unfortunately that's precisely what I think will happen.
I can't believe some fans on here, slating suarez, he is world class, he said he loves being here and he is proud to wear the jersey of our team, he could have gone in the summer and in january, he never, but still you people snipe at him, heres one for you, tom ince left because he wanted 1st team football, so we let him go now you all want him back, what happens when he gets dropped and throws a tantrum, but all suarez has done his play his heart out for us, he has played with a littler injury and he has not had a rest since the copa america, plus he travels furhter tham most of his team mates when he plays for his national side, this player is commited to the Liverpool caourse and he does his best, not like some in our defence and midfield who don't he get the stick which they deserve, stevie g and lucas have not played at their best, but I don't hear any mons and groans about them, downing is playing better, its only taken him a season and a half, where as suarez and couthino did not need to, but if your looking for suarez our best player to turn around and say he has no loyalty to the club then your wrong, just watch him play and enjoy the skills and his goals while he is here and be thankful he is here because without him this season we would be fighting relegation
I agree with kidmillions, just because he was misquoted in the paper everyone his on his back, we don't know where his loyaltys lie but I know one thing for sure and at this moment in time he is being loyal to us and our club, he could of went in the summer or january, he never that's loyalty, and he shows more passion to us than some fans do to him a bit like M the 1st post, I just want to enjoy what we have, when he goes I will be gutted but thank him for his goals and his all round play while he was with us,
mickeyb
25 Mar 2013 19:58:06
Kidmillions.
top post.
I love luis suarez. it excites me every time I watch him.
without him. its so boring.
the 1-2. the quick movement.
and some of his finishes. in the blink of a second.
world class. that's the word.
it took years to get a perfect No. 7.
hold on to him. we need him if we are going to challenge for top 4 next season.
Gerrard loyal? You have a short memory Kid
AJH
Last I seen him he was still a red
AJH, he has been loyal - ever since he was persuaded to be!
HB
Gerrard has been loyal the only reason he even thought about the chavski move is because he thought Liverpool football club would benefit from the money more than him as a player! and carra is a living legend and for me was also one of the best defenders in the league at one point! a true leader! a true legend!
It's not just Suarez's football. he keeps the club profile buoyant worldwide, for better or for worse. He's a bit of a loose cannon here and there but people are talking about our club and that keeps us up there in these lean footballing times. Luis is worth more to the club than just his football. He's a loveable rouge of sorts. I like his mistakes in a way.
Transfers happen not only because the player wants to go but more often because the selling club want the cash and at the moment lfc want the cash same as when we sold rush to juve, lfc will move a lot of players this summer and many need to go, I myself include players like stirling, wisdom and shelvey in the ones to go.
Is this the same Saint Jamie who when only offered a 1 year contact extention threw his toys out the pram and threatened to see his contract out and go to the bitters on a free before little Cecil stepped and offered him a 3 year deal once Benitez was seen off?
Arnold
25 Mar 2013 13:58:09
Wonder if others want Old Firm down here. Great followings but IMO they can keep their sectarianism. Complications re. European places as they would possibly eat into our allocation. Then if theynvote for devaluation, surely that's self governance and respect to them but isn't it case of wanting it all ways? I mean the Scots could point with some validity to Swansea in Europe, not sure that's correct via an English Cup competition either. I can see merits in Scots argument but over all I would prefer didn't happen. Now it's just a view! My Father is Scots. So before get a use from North of border, I'm raising a debate, NOT slanting a Nation. Its JUST a view {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Swansea or any other Welsh sides. That is an entirely different matter.}
I wouldn't have thought u lot would want the old firm in the prem. that would be another 2 teams that would finish above u, meaning the highest you's could hope to finish would be 9th. And with the bottom half growing ever stronger a real possibility that relegation battles would be a regular occurrence.
Perth!
25 Mar 2013 15:08:02
Hey Perth. One or two quick questions please.
1) Do you only ever go on our site? Seems like you focus more on us than on your own team.
2) You do it so effortless, but are there any tips you'd like to share. Some people find it hard to look like a complete kn*b, but you do it so well
Cheers
The Truth hurts
Celtic would get relegated in the PL
Ed aren't Swansea playing in an English Leauge? Do they not get Uefa place? {Ed002's Note - See my note.}
25 Mar 2013 13:36:01
I think we need to sign Sakho to play alongside Agger. I'd put Sakho right centre back as he is fast and could easily cover for Johnson if he got caught attacking. I know people will say "but Agger and Sakho are both left footed" but I'm pretty sure Carragher and Hyypia were both right footed? Ferdinand Vidic, Campebell Adams, Carvalho Terry. what's wrong with two lefties? I actually believe our greatest weakness is having a right footed right centre back, and a left footed left centre back. I means that if a player runs at them down the centre, they are both forced to tackle with their weaker foot. Which might be why we see people walk through us so easily, and why we concede so many silly free kicks. Agger should stay on the left, as he needs to be on his left foot to spring counter attacks with his great passing range, but with Sakho on his right, it means that if someone runs across Agger, they've got Sakho coming in with his preferred foot and a hefty tackle to boot. Perhaps I'm over thinknig, but its no coincidence most of the top teams have centre backs who use the same foot. Sakho and Agger are both very fast for such big guys, and as well as this, Sakho is a beast in the air. Not due to sheer height like Hyypia and Vidic, but more due to his great athletic abilities.
We would still need one other centre back in my opinion as Carragher will retire, Skrtel is likely leaving, and Kelly is (like Agger) too injury prone to play more than twice a week. Coates will leave also. Personally, I'd keep Skrtel and Kelly as the back up pair, with Wisdom and Sama as the third choice pairing (although Wisdom would mainly be right back cover). Skrtel, I beleive is made to look bad by Agger, and vice versa. Mainly due to the reason I mentioned at the start regarding stronger foot. If a wide player runs across the front of either of them, watch all our games this season, they both panic, and give away a silly free kick. Also if a player runs at them down the middle (Lukaku and the Southampton goal last week) they seem to stroll through and get an unchallenged shot. They are both excellent, but do ont compliment eachother. Skrte is still adequate back up though, and just needs to cut these newly found mistakes from his game. Should he leave, I'd love to see a quicker centre back. Imagine our first 4 centre backs of choice being Agger, Sakho, Kelly and another speedy centre back. We have lacked pace at the back for too long! I think Lloyd Jones in our accademy will be the best in the world one day, but he needs another 4/5 years. So somebody with experience would be nice. Raul Albiol maybe? But of course, the scouting team will have their choices. Micah Richards, although relatively young, is still very experienced, and both these players would rather be second choice/subs than reserve team players at Madrid or City!
Just my opinion on the defense. I think between Johnson, Wisdom, Enrique, Robinson, Smith and Mclaughlin we have enough cover for full backs. Sakho and Kelly can both also play as full backs if necessary.
The final defensive pieces are of course the defensive midfielder, and the Goalkeeper. Reina is still good enough, and Jones is a decent back up in my opinion. I'd stick, rather than twist. Lucas is also a great player, but he needs a backup. I think Biglia, Iturra and Diame are decent options. However, not enough is though of Coady on here. He could be a captain one day, he just needs to take his chance when it comes. A really comitted player, but with a touch of class.
YNWA! (Adam)
Good points Adam:
Skyrtel is the most limited player at LFC as he's very right footed and can only play the one position, he had a couple of games at right back and got slaughtered.
Agger is very left footed and can at least fill in at left back but he's still limited, he isn't able to play on both sides of the defence like Carra can.
So it is very good observation of the weakness in the centre of defence.
And that's without going into suspect heading ability.
Playing Sakho and Agger together would see two very left-footed players playing along side each other which could upset the balance of the defence.
25 Mar 2013 13:33:19
I think the financial returns on the scouting and management system should also be like the new so called players rewards system.
Give them a reasonable salary but not as now rediculous, and if they find a star then reward them on a scale of 1-5, 1 being they get little extra and 5 means they get a good wack for finding a true talent
Same should apply to management, if you win something then you get a bonus on top of your ok salary instead of paying PPL big bucks to find average players and also the manager winning nothing. All pay structures should be results driven in my book. Win nowt get nowt, win lots get lots.
Maybe that way the players, manager and scouts might show a bit more commitments as I still see a lot of complacency at LFC from top to bottom.
25 Mar 2013 13:23:25
A guy bellow said FSG have not invested a lot well you are just a prat.1 million a week is a hell of a lot not to mention all the transfer money they have given managers. How it was spent is down to the managment but FSG have been nothing but supportive to LFC. I think some people need to look at the bigger picture. Where would this club be if they never took over. I did not see any Russian billionaires or oil tycoons queuing up to buy this club.
I can't fault the owners as to investment as they are providaing adequate funds.
The problems are that we are wasteful as a club, have been for decades.
Hopefully they will get it soretd and a return on their outlay as if I was owner i'd be miffed at this lot right now for sure, fingers crossed.
Did they not know the costs of running a club when they got us on the cheap? That shouldn't effect our ambitions and expectations as a top football club if they can't afford to compete with the best then its not good enough
If money has been wasted the buck stops with them as they hired the people who wasted it
You know folks. its getting better. FSG are turning us into a viable business. The fair play rules will eventually be implemented 'properly' as the current system with wages and massive transfer fees plus huge debt cannot be sustained. (even fans are baulking at the salaries thesedays). and when that happens we will be in a very strong position. We may have to bite the bullet in the meantime but it will be worth it in the long run. Short term pain for long term gain and sustainability. Yes FSG are somewhat naive though they will learn, but we're really not doing that badly considering the last 20 odd years. They need to get Brendan a good defensive coach and we'll be fine.
25 Mar 2013 13:20:40
It is very clear to me that Ed002 is an FSG agent, or at least he works for them in some capacity. This is evident in the way he stands up to defend them each time the angry fan expresses dissatisfaction with the owners, granted he's even a Chelsea fan. We're screwed really!
RedBear. {Ed002's Note - Maybe FSG will make me manager if I ask?}
We should be joint managers as were the only PPL who understand the game lol
Wish they would ed want to see what u look like + u could let us do a vote for what players we want and when it goes tits up we have no one to blam
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Hard to work out if this poster is taking the pee or being serious!
The Irish Rover
I thought ed002 was the manager! You used to say you picked the team.
Are you mad? They save us from the brink of administration, invest heavily (look at the facts) and then work well business wise to cut costs as well as bring in new sponsors. Just daft anybody who has a go at them we are in a much better position than in the past.
{Ed002's Note - Maybe FSG will make me manager if I ask?}
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The manager's job maybe few years too early for you, particularly for a club like Liverpool. But can you ask them to get you involved in the scouting and buying players, I think you will do a splendid job.{Ed002's Note - Perhaps a few years too late rather than early given my age.}
25 Mar 2013 12:59:42
Liverpool are looking at Lucas Anderson, Bruno Mendes, Viktor Fischer, Davide Astori and Hector Moreno.
Jayb
Come back when your off football manager.
Lil Red
25 Mar 2013 12:55:33
Liverpool are watching Davide Astori as a replacement for Carra!
Jayb
25 Mar 2013 12:02:38
A fellow fan had ranted about us not spending and fearful of Liverpool becoming an also ran club:
FSG HAVE spent moeny but wrongly! That is the manager's fault!
Carroll (Dalglish buy) was too expensive but should be used according to his strength (a GOOD manager would do that!)
Allen (not good enough), Borini (good lad, but not good enough), Coutinho (interesting that Rafa bought him for Inter)
Manager does not have the scouting system or international contacts to get the players we need.
I would be worried if I was FSG as to who we may go for in the summer, as Swansea will run out of players.
Sadly, we will be going nowhere (midtable yes) with the set up as it is, players look unhappy and it will spill onto the pitch. hope I'm wrong. YNWA
Stop talking rubbish IranRed. You are way too negative. "International contact", you included Coutinho in that list?
The real AG
YNWA looks like BR is,
how many Swansea players did we buy already?
1 we bought one Swansea player, and yep the should look unhappy when the lose,
What do you want br and stevie ruining round the pitch during training holding hands and singing Kum ba ya.
25 Mar 2013 13:00:11
Coutinho - A Brazilian from Italy
Assaidi - A Morrocan from Holland
Borini - And Italian from Italy
Sahin - A Turk from Spain
Allen - A Welshman from Wales
Yesil - A German from Germany
Sturridge - An Englishman from England
Of the 7 signings Brendan has made so far, only two have been from the UK, and only one was English. So he hardly lacks international contacts. Arguably his top 3 signings have been:
1. Coutinho
2. Sturridge
3. Allen
So to be honest, it just goes to show Foreign isn't always best as Yesil is injured, Sahin is gone, Assaidi has dissapeared, and Borini is injured. Borini and Yesil have potential, but the other two came with a lot of pedigree, and did/are doing nothing.
YNWA! (Adam)
He has made two good signings in coutinho and sturridge. Allen and borini was such a waste of 30m. Assaidi will be sold for probably more than we bought. Sahin would have been a great signing if Allen didn't always get preferential treatment.
Rafa didn't buy coutinho
Rafa didn't buy coutinho
He was there two years before so you are now just lost credibility
25 Mar 2013 11:50:39
A little observation over the season so far, I have noticed we have always played better when the games have come thick and fast i. e. European Game and a League game in the same week etc. A number of loses have come when the team has had a week between games - I have no explanation for this just an observation although it doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season with the majority of games once a week.
Has anyone any thoughts?
Yeah because the players are that stupid and overrated that give the a week break and they forget everything that br tells them.
Its because they go into lazy mode mate, its actually poor management in my book but its clear to see they just don't bother when there's a gap in games.
'Yeah because the players are that stupid and overrated that give the a week break and they forget everything that br tells them. ''
What an ignorant post. The OP was merely pointing out an observation and opening it up for discussion. What is wrong with that?
25 Mar 2013 11:45:32
West Ham don't want Carroll and are targetting William Bony for a reported 12m fee.
Chelsea don't want Torres and are hoping to get 15m off At Madrid.
The outcome of all this is Carroll will not being staying at West Ham and is worth around 15m less than Torres.
If you do the maths? He's worth nothing?
We all know that's not true? He does have a value but how much do you think he's worth?
I've got no idea anymore and I'm not convinced that even Newcastle would now want him back.
So where does that leave us?
That leaves us with a big lump!
£8 mil.
I do think we will sell him for something between 10->15m.
If not, I think we should keep him and work on his off the field problems, he has some decent qualities an I think next season we will see a better Andy Carroll because of the looming world cup.
A crate of Newcastle Ale.
FowlerGod.
Id have Torres back for 12m, its a no brainer for me, put that red shirt on him again and he will do the business.
Blue and ginga hair don't go mate, reds the one for him lol
Kid, I think that leaves us with a rather expensive Plan B. I genuinely think that if were to sell we would have to accept a fee of between 7 and 12 million, but ACs wages will be out of reach for the majority of interested clubs - I can only see interest from Newcastle, Stoke or West Ham but not at the original figure they were quoted. This has all the hallmarks of Aquilani's previous loan deals where the interested clubs wanted to renegotiate with LFC. I have a hunch he will end up staying for much of next season which may result in Borini leaving in the summer in order to leave us with LS, DS and AC as our three strikers next year.
DT
Agreed with FL RedFish, about 8M I would think, unfortunately. That said, I'm not sure who would be willing to pay anything for him honestly. I suspect another loan beckons in his future, if one can be found.
25 Mar 2013 14:57:21
seems caroll is proving worse than nabil elzhar, degan, poulsen etc. in terms of wages and fees.
are we going to be in another transition next year?
25 Mar 2013 14:58:32
so fans have decided to sell borini.
y are we purchasing these types of players?
we are becoming joke.
Harry, I don't think it's a case of fans deciding to sell Borini, it's more a case of how do you accommodate 4 strikers in our preferred 4-3-3 formation. Suarez and Borini both have versatility and to a lesser extent so does Sturridge but if the club are unable to offload Carroll for a reasonable fee I don't think we are able to justify keeping all 4. Having said that if we are forced to part with Suarez then I can see us cutting our losses on AC and reinvesting the funds and freed up wages into rebuilding the squad - just being realistic.
DT
25 Mar 2013 20:01:50
rebuilding since.
our fellow rival fans are embarrassing us every year.
we are compared to history channel.
this is ridiculous.
120 mill. we should have been runner up by now.
no excuse. absolute no excuse.
sell suarez. and start all over again.
Thanks for the replies:
I'm inclined to agree with FL Redfish in that if Newcastle don't want him his value could indeed be as low as £8m.
26 Mar 2013 08:24:59
he was always worth 10 mill.
25 Mar 2013 11:16:50
Hi Eds,
Just wondering whether it would be a good idea to make a little message like the one about logging in at the top of the page. This message would include a summary of all of Liverpool's recent activity in the transfer market for example: Liverpool have talked to Andreas Weimann's agent about a possible move.
This would stop people asking the same questions over and over again and they wouldn't have to read through the posts to get information.
Just a thought to make your lives easier.
Max {Ed002's Note - We have tried it before Max - it doesn't help but thanks anyway.}
25 Mar 2013 13:22:22
ed what about like having headlines similar to earlier football rumours page
ynwa {Ed002's Note - How about people making the effort instead.?}
25 Mar 2013 11:14:13
With Ed002 saying there has been interest shown in Mignolet, I was hoping some of the regulars on here could give me a breakdown of the lad. I've never really watched Sunderland (no offence meant by that) so never had much exposure to what the player is like. Mates who support Sunderland claim he's a brilliant keeper, but was wondering what those of you on here who have seen him thought?
JFT 96
JP
25 Mar 2013 11:25:36
Personally, I think he has good reactions, and that Sunderland would be in deep relegation trouble without him.
that's about all I know, hopefully someone else will be able to provide a better analysis.
You could ask over at the Player-Profiles page?
Be suprised if there wasn't already one tbh!
In my opinion he is the second best keeper in the league behind Joe Hart, him and Begovic have both been consistent, and a fantastic shot stopper just go back to our games vs Sunderland as well as City last year. My girlfriends family are Sunderland fans and they reckon without him they would definitely be going down this season.
I agree with Alex4, he is one of the League's outstanding keepers. He's only 24, which is very young for a keeper (younger than Hart). He's an excellent shot stopper with fantastic reflexes, but differs from the likes of Ali Al-Habsi (also a great shot stopper) as he has great handling and doesn't just parry every shot away. He seems sound enough with his feet, though not to Pepe's standard! He's definitely my choice to replace Reina if Reina leaves.
DP
Only thing that worries me about Mignolet is how the Liverpool 'fans' would react when he has one of his nightmares.
I've watched him quite a few times and he really impresses me, all round quality GK and would be a great replacement for Pepe if he leaves.
But every once in a while he does seem to have a complete stinker of a game where everything seems to go wrong for him.
Every keeper has a bad game though, if you compare the amount of bad games that Reina and Jones have had over the past two seasons into Mignolet at a lesser club (no offence) where he's had Bramble and numerous other not do great defenders infront of him and he still has had much less. Even Manuel Neuer has had a few bad games over the seasons but in terms of consistency he is much more consistent than that of the keepers we currently have
He's certainly the best 24yrs and under Goalkeeper, he's about the same age at which we bought Pepe.
25 Mar 2013 10:35:50
The players linked to us for the summer are shocking a striker who plays now& then for the worst villa team in years & players how are playing in holland & small french teams these players won't get us challenging for a champs league place we need higher quailty than this, our great club has to do something or we will be classed as a mid table team lose our quailty players & be classed like newcastle, everton as the second run of clubs in the prem behind the top 5 if fsg won't push the club forward sell it because at the moment we are going nowwhere all we are doing is standing still & if we don't invest big money we will strugle to get a top 10 finish {Ed002's Note - The owners have invested "big money" - you cannot have any grasp on what has been going on in recent years.}
25 Mar 2013 10:56:34
Invest Big?
How much mate?
100, 200 mill?
can u guarantee Title?
pls have alook at our money spend in past 2 years 4 windows. we have spend more money than any others here.
we are known to buy average players.
thats the problem. not the sepnding
we have spend 35 mill on caroll, even new castle still not believed it.
Again if any one says a bad word against fsg
The spokesman ed002 comes out & defends them what do u say when football finance expert david bick says on the anfield rap that fsg ownership is taking lfc nowhere & they are not investing enough to take the club on to fight for champs league & he says he dosent know what they are tryimg to do with the club with there limited investmant
{Ed002's Note - It is an absolute waste of time trying to get you to understand that the owners have invested very significant sums in the club. £1M a week since they took over and still you crave a sugar daddy. The problem with the club is not the owners, it is those fans that (a) are desparate for an owner a la Manchester City - simple jealousy; or (b) entirely unsupportive of the club - wanting pretty much every player out except the one player who has repeatedly caused embarrassment to the club, the owners, the sponsors, the management and the other players; or (c) turn on the owner and the players and spew vile hatred every time the club fail to win - as witnessed yet again where an excellent run of games playing good football is completely forgotten after losing to Southampton - the fans of every other club would have moved on, but no; or (d) those that have driven the owners and their families from the city of Liverpool and the ground through abuse and threats; or (e) those that defaced the stadium in order to force a manager out to get the beloved one in - and where did the money go - on the players that they now want out (see (b) above).
Perhaps if the club could get the help of fans who want to get behind the club, the team and the players then it could move on and get back in to the Champions League. This appalling behaviour by a certain faction the supporters will undoubtedly be having an adverse impact on the players and the performance of the team.
So who is it that you want in charge - you never tell us that? A nice Qatari Sheikh like Al Thani? How about an amiable Russian banker like Vladimir Antonov?
As for Bick, if he says he doesn't know what the owners are trying to do then one would have thought he should perhaps not bother saying anything at all. I don't think most clubs would see £1M a week as limited investment - right now that is more than all but three EPL clubs - Manchester City, QPR and Southampton.}
Ed, you seriously think that the posters who post negative things about the team etc would have an impact on team performances? To be honest I've never seen any negativity at a game, anxious yes but no anti manager or team chants. I would agree that they would impact on a team but not a fans point of view on a forum if i'm honest.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The owners have a company provide weekly reports on the image of the club in the press and other media, in forums like these and on fan sites and are acutely aware of what is going on. The players understand the feelings of the fans now as much as they did when Hodgson was manager and as much as they did when Dalglish was manager and it can indeed reflect in the performances.}
He left no name because he's got no clue! Good response Ed002 - of course it will fly well over the head of the lesser crested numbskull who clearly doesn't understand simple terms such as 'investment' and 'profit' yet attempts to use them in making moronic posts.
HBadger
Red Owl {Ed002's Note - Your post was so embarrassing that it was necessary to cut it, but we all had a good laugh - particularly where you justified all of Suarez's behaviour by using the analogy of Standard Chartered erroneous buisness practices.}
I love how they say all this crap then don't reply after an epic comeback as always. Seriously it's embarrassing that people try and say the owners have lacked investment. I bet tomorrow we will get another prat trying to insult the club, owners, players, ed ect. So embarrassing to read its cringey
London red
25 Mar 2013 08:24:59
Guys and Ed's I am seeing the names of de Vrij and Weimann being spoken about but canyou tell me how good these players are like as in their quality and what they would bring to LFC as I donr know or haven't seen enough of these players to knpw about them
Thanks and Cheers
Havoc's Call {Ed002's Note - I am sorry but I really have no interest in trying to rate or describe players.}
Both ok but not going to get us champions league.
These players are at best average, they will not improve our team and will certainly not lift us to that next level which has to be Champions League qualification. We have to be thinking bigger but can Brendan and LFC attract big players nowadays? I think not.
De Vrij I don't know, but I've watched a lot of Weimann this season. At only 21, he looks a very good young prospect to me. He's comfortable playing either wide or central and has a tendency to move about, all of which are traits I think BR wants.
Is he a world beater? Not yet- but he could perhaps become one some day and if the price is reasonable I think he would represent a good acquisition for us.
Good acquisitions don't get you in the top 4.
Who said anything about Weimann being a driving force to get us in the top 4? He's potentially a good player who can improve/has potential and might be obtainable for a reasonable fee. Why is this a bad thing? Sure, I'd rather have Reus or Mertens, but those names simply aren't obtainable or in our price range whilst Weimann might be.
25 Mar 2013 08:20:19
Anyone else find it amusing that up until 3 days ago, no one had even thought about Andreas Weimman,
then a couple of dodgy rumours in a paper or 2 and everyone is adding him as a must buy to their summer shopping lists. Its highly amusing stuff!
Not really, I don't rate him. Has had a couple of decent games but nothing to make him the calibre of player that should be playing for Liverpool.
Biggy Ballz
25 Mar 2013 10:37:50
calibre.
big, strong and powerful word.
would be delighted if we keepm this consistencey in bringing our players.
what about borini?
I think he has 11 goals in 30 games which would be a good return if you were to replace him with say Downing on the right.
The Irish Rover
25 Mar 2013 11:05:18
exactly. under 5 mill can be a decent squad player.
its better than borini whole career goals.
I wonder why did we purchased him?
he has been injured one year. and we are doing pretty well. he is not going to make any impact than our curretn postion?
was that too a panic buy?
y oh y. 11 mill. where will he fit into next year?
on the right?, left?, center?
wasted 11 mill simple.
25 Mar 2013 11:36:55
No its not a couple of Dodgy rumours as there's confirmed interest, according to Ed 002.
If we get Weimann for anything under 7m, then I'd say we would have made a very good deal and he will provide competition for the strikers we already have.
This my friend is the way to go now for LFC and not throwing away big money on average players like Allen, Carrol and Downing.
Weimann would be an improvement on what we have already, bearing in mind how poor the likes of Downing, and Borini have been since they joined.
25 Mar 2013 13:23:26
downing was a winger
25 Mar 2013 14:00:47
'Why did we buy him, he's been injured for a year.
Perhaps because when we bought him he wasn't injured? Perhaps he still has potential?
Perhaps people just NEED somebody to blame, some sort of scapegoat!
I think you would find that there are a number of us who have been talking about Weimann a fair amount longer than the past three days. Not claiming inside knowledge, but after watching the kid a lot this season he's exactly the sort of player I think BR wants- flexible, young, and improving.
25 Mar 2013 07:21:06
Is it just me or does anyone else think the Eds are sort of scouts and or agents?
RedBeer
25 Mar 2013 14:03:47
Some of the Eds knowledge, you could argue may be gained from word of mouth, friends in high places etc!
However, the information Ed002 gets must mean he has employment within the game somewhere!
I've often wondered! Maybe Ed002 creates transfer rumours then makes a killing in the bookies, watching the odds go up and down!
Who knows lol! The enigma that is the Eds continues!
25 Mar 2013 03:18:52
also I hope Macca is going to come out and say sterling is going on loan to blackpool haha i'm dreaming
25 Mar 2013 01:13:04
Hi Eds and fellow reds,
Heard a rumour from a Celtic blogger which I don't want to name that Liverpool v Celtic is definitely happening 10/08/2013 in Dublin Aviva stadium.
Tickets are also rumoured to be 50 euros bit steep as it will probably be the reserves playing as there is an iternational match 4 days later.
Also mentioned that Celtic have been offered £360 000 fo this game as the FAI are desperate to fill the stadium something which has not happened most of the time.
Just wondering has anyone heard anything official about that. YNWA. Peace out.
We are to inconsistent to get top 4 and there are no signs what so ever that that is going to change.
So not sure what BR can say to any players to make them think otherwise.
Long way to to for our club. mid table is where we are and belong at the moment.
25 Mar 2013 01:01:29
I just hope suarez gives it one more season to have a crack at the champions league with us i'm sure that is what rodgers will be saying to him and he needs to remember we have stuck by him and took a chance when buying him, he is still young plenty of time to move on but just get us in the top 4 1st!
BR should have a frank talk with Suarez about his future. If he wants move on, let him. Bench him for the remainder of the season, atleast we will get to see how well the team can play without him. BR should treat the last 8 games of the season as warm up for next season.
If Sturridge & Coutinho shine without suarez on the pitch, it can only bode well for next season. Why play Suarez if he is not going to be here next season? The guy is anyways a PR disaster, and if we invest the money from his sale diligently, we should be in with a shout for top4 next season.
Yes, he is a world class player, but not irreplaceable. We will be fine with or without him.
25 Mar 2013 07:28:45
I would love that to happen.
But I really can't trust BR for some his shocking signings. If things doesn't go well. then we might see his exit coming Jan.
25 Mar 2013 10:41:57
The problem for some of our fans here are we just don't accept the reality.
barca will never be the same without messi, so as real without ronaldo.
Suarez is a gem of a player. and he is almost Irreplacble right now. on the pitch and also among the fans.
some just love him so much. that they watch because of him.
Without him we just lack the impact on the pitch.
defendders fear suarez because one blink of the eye. and this lad can score a goal. and that's make players like him deadly.
sturridge countinho, downing sterling borini are all good players. but not the level of suarez.
and the worst. since we are not in CL nor in europa. how are we going to attract a player of his quality to us?
Them signings were before he installed his own back room staff, which they work as a group and all agree on the player coming in, as before br went on to buy Borini. I honesty think Borini wouldn't of been signed if rogers would of had his back room staff from day 1.
Maybe its because history keeps repeating its self.
25 Mar 2013 00:06:27
Hey folks, anyone any thoughts on the Michael Owen interview on football focus? I thought he came across as a big headed arrogant self centred gobrubbish. He considers himself as the clubs best player when he was here? What about fowler? Jc? Stevie g? Gary mc? We wouldn't of won the treble without Gary mc. What about Sami? And then he blames the club for his injurys? What an person!
He was a great player for a couple of years but not as good as he thinks he was.
I know what you mean but we wouldn't of won the treble without him either, every player played there part that season! I also think that When Owen joined Manchester United for me he cut all ties with Liverpool! Something's you just shouldn't do in football!
Ack17
He was the clubs best player
Jursey was.
24 Mar 2013 23:51:19
I would be happy with these defensive payers;
Mignolet
DeVrij
Iturra
& these attacking players;
Dzudzak
(maybe Ince & possibly Honda)
Who do you support Ipswich?