Liverpool Banter Archive November 25 2010

 

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25 Nov 2010 23:19:51
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If the LFC board believe in the Manager , then the Manager deserves support , only the Manager can prove his own worth , and there is enough time this season for LFC to be successful . Regardless of any changes that could be made by the start of next season , the team has the chance to do well , and I look forward to them proving their worth , in due course .

There is a few on the board who no nothin about football so to say if they believe we should trust them as John an Tom don't know anythin, it's just a case of waiting for them to run out of patience with Roy, were not to care about the club enough to tell these owners that Roy isn't and never will be good enough for our club. Ok 1977 let's sit back and wait till good old Roy gives up on breathing as he sure won't give up on Liverpool as he thinks a point is good enough

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25 Nov 2010 23:12:40
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Well. to me its a save liverpool campaign rather than anti roy campaign as you suggest.

I accept he is here for the season. fine. we shall debate how well he has done at the end of the season then shall we. always supposing i manage to build a bridge

chris 1
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Just throwing this one at you chris 1. Adding more fuel to your fire.
If he wins us the league (yeah right) or gets us into a champions league spot, what will you say then?

MUSHROOM (waiting for the rant)

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25 Nov 2010 23:06:38
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This is theturdz speaking
ed: do you know were i can by a kilo of mushroom cap ends ive tried everywere they don't seem to know what they are? {ed's note - er, are you sure you are on the right site? lol}
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You're not looking hard enough mate. Asda do a wonderful aray of fun guy.
I know where to find the turds.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 23:05:02
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Ryan Babel is a totally attacking player , only Luis Garcia and let's say Baros and Torres were afforded that luxury under Rafa Benitez .

I hope Roy Hodgson gives Ryan Babel a chance , up front in a 4-4-2 , perhaps in some away games , his talent is untapped .
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A slightly different take on Mr Babel from me.

Yes, he is fast and powerful looking. But the lad's problem is that he is lazy and does not demonstrate any passion or drive.

Maybe he could be a good footballer if he got his head straight but I don't think it will happen. Not with us anyway. I personally think he is stealing money every day he spends at our club and he should go.

I still can't believe we knocked back £11m for him last season. I think you could halve that value now.

Frenchy.

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25 Nov 2010 23:04:27
If the LFC board believe in the Manager , then the Manager deserves support , only the Manager can prove his own worth , and there is enough time this season for LFC to be successful . Regardless of any changes that could be made by the start of next season , the team has the chance to do well , and I look forward to them proving their worth , in due course .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 23:02:38
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@1977

We all support LFC, and want us to win every game. But when something runs so deeply in our veins is it not reasonable to respond with fervency and passion? While some of the remarks are insulting, or just daft really, heart-felt criticism is definitely our right. Personally I don't think Roy is the man to lead us. I think he is tactically limited and a fumbling communicator. That said, I hope he proves me and the other doubters utterly wrong, returns us to the domestic powerhouse we were, and delivers consistant league title challenges year on year. I hope eventually to see his face next to that of Shanks, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish on a giant flag, and the title Sir Roy bestowed by her majesty the kween. But, in the meantime, do you really think supporters have to back ineptitude, just because it's LFC? Did you not voice any frustration with Hicks and Gillette during their miserable tenure, or would that not have fit with your code of fan conduct either?

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 23:02:15
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For as long as Roy Hodgson is the LFC Manager , Roy Hodgson deserves our support

WHY? ?. For making us play boring defensive football? Or is it for spending FIVE MILLION ponds on Poulsen? OH, for the brilliant comments he keeps making? No it must be for bringing on defensive subs when we need to score? Which one is it?

Support is like respect, it should be earned not given freely!

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25 Nov 2010 22:55:55
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FACT Carlton cole is crap, end of!

Muzmacol YNWA

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25 Nov 2010 22:44:18
To Chris 1, we all want the club to do well and win, I see Roy as the manager who will underpin the foundations and give the new future manager a solid base to work from.It's not great football the team play, but have faith the bridge will be built and all of us will get over it one way or the other.
Redeyedhector

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25 Nov 2010 22:40:16
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This will define our season its as simple as that 22 point right behind city honest to god so important we do this i've got the feeling with stevie out other players show how wel they can play other can just passing to gerrard ( although i don't rly mind as hes so good ) come on cole show us your money nando keep the form up would love a goal for you keep going glen bully bale don't let him run take a yellow if you have to raul always had faith in you show modric whose boss! not too worried about the pace of spurs players its just their movement on and off the ball please play soto ahead of skrtel need a presence to bully " JD "! come on boys.! red army
Redsince94

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25 Nov 2010 22:39:43
For as long as Roy Hodgson is the LFC Manager , Roy Hodgson deserves our support , only John W Henry and Tom Werner can tell us when Roy Hodgson's time is up .

All the insults and desparaging remarks are futile , particularly from Supporters . The Team needs as many faithful fans as possible . Everyone at the Club is doing there best at the moment , therefore deserving of support .

Looking forward to game against Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 22:25:08
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Few Managers have achieved Champions League Success , therefore Rafa Benitez's success , has in all honesty , every right to be classed as 'elitist'

The meaning of the word elitist is :

a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class

The term is a compliment to a person (Rafa Benitez) or persons (Liverpool Football Club) that has achieved what few are capable of .

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ok. then for that part i apologise if i misread your well meant intentions.

however you still havent answered the perfectly reasonable question which club has roy employed the wonderful idealogy you refer to with any success,
As it would appear our players are struggling with the conceptual nature of this most wonderful system, after all roy has had 35 years to perfect this system. it should have worked somewhere

chris 1

Whilst not perhaps the ideal forum for a debate on semantics, the use of elitist in this case is a bit dubious, and at best doesn't really scan. The word, in common parlance, has negative connotations in the main, relating more to arrogance than to any notion of success or a congratulatory application. The word elite would better suit. ;-)

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 22:20:10
It is interesting that the most notable modern sides Real Madrid , Barcelona , Manchester United , Chelsea , Arsenal and some of the National teams Spain and Germany et al are lining up in there flexible 4-2-3-1 and 4-1-2-2-1 formations . Yet we , as LFC supporters are still putting alot of store in the 4-4-2 formation , very traditional .

Perhaps The Bootroom , played 4-4-2 better than everybody .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 22:19:27
To red eyed hector

To Chris who is only one, have a safe and happy trip.You can relax and have fun knowing that Mr Blair Maine will carry on the anti Roy campaign on this site.It's getting a bit yawn yawn same old same old.Roy is the manager of Liverpool football club, so build a bridge and get over it.
Redeyedhector

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Well. to me its a save liverpool campaign rather than anti roy campaign as you suggest.

I accept he is here for the season. fine. we shall debate how well he has done at the end of the season then shall we. always supposing i manage to build a bridge

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 22:13:37
To 1977


Managers need to connect with the club and with us, the fans; and vice versa. This is undeniably crucial. It's not about kissing the badge or talking in platitudes, just a question of trust.

Trust, that the man in charge understands us and what we want. Trust, that he wants this job above all others and isn't just passing through. Trust, that he has sufficient ability and that he will do what is right for the club, not just what is right for himself.

I don't feel that at all about Hodgson, and I don't think he feels it about us. He wanted the England job before this one, and he doesn't understand what our club is all about.

Benítez took over a team with fewer points (60 to 63) and fewer league wins than the one Hodgson inherited. I'd still take the squad of last season over the one from 2003/ 04, any day of the week.

Rafa won 55% of league games, to Houllier's 50%. Crucially, despite teething problems, we could see from the start that it was an improvement; overall, with cups included, his first season was a massive improvement on Houllier's last.

He won 72 points on average, to Houllier's 65. He won fewer League Cups, admittedly, but exceeded Houllier's best showing in the Champions League on three occasions, twice reaching the final, and winning one of them. Benítez had the best stats, and won the best trophies, since the halcyon days of the '80s. We could sense something positive at the start, even if we couldn't foresee Istanbul.

The same basic standards of acceptable performance are currently not being met. So far, Hodgson is performing worse than Benítez at his worst, let alone at his best. Hodgson is not even matching Graeme Souness, the last Liverpool manager to be anywhere near this unpopular. Hell, Hodgson isn't even matching his own Fulham record (33% of league games won, to 30% with Liverpool.)

Perhaps worse than anything is that I just don't enjoy watching Liverpool anymore. And I know loads of people who feel the same. It was a bit of a chore at times last season, admittedly; now it's damn hard work
A lot of fans share my concern that if, as Damien Comolli (correctly) asserts, there's no point buying players the manager doesn't want, we end up with 'Roy' signings this winter, and then, next summer, a new man comes in and doesn't want that type of player.

Of course, the biggest fear is that, by then, the best or most skillful players have been frozen out or become disillusioned, and then an entire team needs rebuilding.

Right now, Liverpool have the best (or joint-best) goalkeeper, striker and attacking midfielder in the league, and going forward under a manager who trusts him, the best right-back.

Daniel Agger is also the best 'footballing' centre-back in the Premier League, but wasn't to Roy's tastes, even before his latest injury. (And of course, out went Aquilani, who is lighting up Serie A, and - through no fault of Roy - Mascherano, who was the best defensive midfielder in the Premier League. But paying £5m for an aging has-been to replace him is Roy's fault.)

Alongside these are a number of good and very good players, but of course the squad needs work. But if the manager won't utilise several of the flair players, it's hard to have sympathy.

Now, if Roy wants to change the team's entire style, that's down to him. But it can be argued that it makes more sense to work with what he has (or for the club to employ someone to do so), in a way that suits the players, than force his ideas onto them; especially as he doesn't have the money to buy those who'd fit better into his system. (Not being funny, but right now, Emile Heskey would probably be better at what Torres is being asked to do.)

The style - which Hodgson has made clear he's carried with him for 35 years - is being forced onto the players. If it works, great. If it doesn't? Buck. Stops. There

I don't want to appear fickle, but can I really be that if I never wanted him in the first place? I said as much in the summer. I didn't say that Roy would definitely fail, but I did feel that his experience at Blackburn should not be brushed under the carpet, and that his achievements at Fulham, while admirable, do not necessarily transfer to a bigger club. I looked at his low-scoring teams that eked out a lot of draws, and that included his previous jobs at Blackburn and Inter Milan too

It needs to be pointed out that on the basis of his team's incoherent performances and his own bizarre press conferences, Roy Hodgson looks like the right man in the wrong job.

"I've had two-and-a-half wonderful years (at Fulham) where nothing ever negative was said about me and my team. Now maybe people are saying negative things. It doesn't change anything. I work the same way as I did last year." Roy Hodgson


You will never ever convince me that roy is the man for us


Chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 22:10:41
Top shout 1977, but be carefull you might get the wrath of the Blair Maine's posse.
Redeyedhector

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25 Nov 2010 22:01:45
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4-4-2 has to be the way forward, just look what happened when we had Dalglish & Rush, Aldridge & Beardsley, Fowler @ Owen to an extent, need i say more. So it should be Torres and a good jan signing hopefully, Stevie G should be back in midfield pulling the strings.

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25 Nov 2010 21:59:54
The amount of ill feeling being directed at the Liverpool Football Club Manager is a little disappointing , some of it personal .

I think our only concern should be supporting the team , and the season is thus far , comparative to that Houllier and Benitez offered .

Roy Hodgson has an opportunity that few will ever have , and true to the Special Club that is LFC , the team are capable of success this year , despite the circumstances during the first 3 months .

My support is with the Football Club , a Football Club that is still capable of something great this season . The positives are worth appreciaiting .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 21:56:53
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City will be in the s* tter in the next 2 years. All I can see is a revolt of the players.

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25 Nov 2010 21:50:02
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A forum ed can u sort a forum out for the site? {ed's note - there is a forum on the VIP section but I am not going to turn the main site into just another forum. There is no point, there are hundreds of them out there already.}

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25 Nov 2010 21:49:20
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Ed i see you have sorted a wish list page. i said cpl months back should do that. can we have a debate page aswell. as a few comments tonight says it would be great to have a debate site. {ed's note - that was meant to be what the banter page is for mate.}

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25 Nov 2010 21:43:07
This is the worst start to a season for many decades , also it is by far , the worst situation a new LFC Manager has faced in that time .

I support the LFC Manager , having been optimistic that the fabled 30 day clause would be used , and spending time wanting the Manager replaced after abstract performances , I have taken the heed of John W Henry , that Roy Hodgson has been unfairly criticised this season , and I use my energy getting behind the team , in the best interests of the club .

Every member of the LFC Squad and Staff have to improve this season , and every member of the Squad and Staff are capable of improving .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 21:33:40
To Chris who is only one, have a safe and happy trip.You can relax and have fun knowing that Mr Blair Maine will carry on the anti Roy campaign on this site.It's getting a bit yawn yawn same old same old.Roy is the manager of Liverpool football club, so build a bridge and get over it.
Redeyedhector

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25 Nov 2010 21:31:39
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Ed, or anyone in-fact. .
What's the situation with AquaMan and his loan. .?? If woy has any sense what-so-ever (some might say that is debateable) then he would bring him back in jan.
Is this possible with the loan or is he def there till end of season?
We lack creativity in the middle at times and the boy Alberto would surely bring that. He wasn't even fully fit last year and in 9 starts he only scored 1, but created 6 goals. He looks to be fully fit now.

Your thoughts guys??

TomLFC85 {ed's note - I am not entirely sure if there is any recall clause mate, I don't think there is though.}

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25 Nov 2010 21:31:38
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So i should sit in my bedroom think ov some great buy for liverpool and then say YES I HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT WERE GOING TO BY SO AND SO. nar id rather be bitter and spit me dummy out. if that how u describe me MATE! THER IS A PAGE FOR WISH LIST. this is rumours page

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25 Nov 2010 21:31:08
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Can any one tell me ov a successful team that plays like roys defencive tactics in the past that have been successfull, i only ask all i can remember is good attacking football is most successful, the best form of defence is attack.
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Not always mate. I wouldn't say Mourinho played the most attacking football at Chelsea, Porto or Inter, and he didn't do half bad with those clubs did he? Doesn't play the most attacking at Real Madrid and he's made a great start.

Marcelo Lippi and Guus Hiddink are both successful managers and they aren't all out attack minded either. Mr.Benitez hasn't done half bad either.

Obviously, I'm not saying one style is better than the other. But they can both be effective with the right players.

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25 Nov 2010 21:25:37
Lets hope younger players (English in particular) learn from Adam Johnson's example at Man City. The lad had a few offers, but he clearly decided to be blinded by greed and sign for Man City for a more prodigious salary. And of course he was aware that Man City were going to go in for other top class wingers and strikers (for their front trio) and that he may not get regular first-team football, but no he went and signed, and now he's moaning about being on the bench.

He should really have taken the less bulky salary and got regular first-team football and he would have been happier.

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25 Nov 2010 21:23:21
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Can any one tell me ov a successful team that plays like roys defencive tactics in the past that have been successfull, i only ask all i can remember is good attacking football is most successful, the best form of defence is attack.

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25 Nov 2010 21:22:33
Chris 1

The Players and the Staff are in it together , and 'Liverpool Football Clubs' Roy Hodgson turned Inter Milan around , during a time when they had to rebuild , and of course his work at Fulham was incredible .

He always played 4-4-2 at Fulham , even outlaying millions of pounds to sign 2 Strikers with that specific intention .

Expect LFC to play 4-4-2 , the further into the season the team goes .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 21:20:34
Few Managers have achieved Champions League Success , therefore Rafa Benitez's success , has in all honesty , every right to be classed as 'elitist'

The meaning of the word elitist is :

a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class

The term is a compliment to a person (Rafa Benitez) or persons (Liverpool Football Club) that has achieved what few are capable of .

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ok. then for that part i apologise if i misread your well meant intentions.

however you still havent answered the perfectly reasonable question which club has roy employed the wonderful idealogy you refer to with any success,
As it would appear our players are struggling with the conceptual nature of this most wonderful system, after all roy has had 35 years to perfect this system. it should have worked somewhere

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 21:12:16
Chris 1

Few Managers have achieved Champions League Success , therefore Rafa Benitez's success , has in all honesty , every right to be classed as 'elitist'

The meaning of the word elitist is :

a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class

The term is a compliment to a person (Rafa Benitez) or persons (Liverpool Football Club) that has achieved what few are capable of .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 21:10:18
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I've just read what some soft lad said about Pacheco not being good enough? Which is a load of rubbish having seen him play for spain under 21 where he was outstanding! But even more ridiculous is the fact that you think Bendtners good enough to be at anfield?? Pacheco just needs to beef up abit
Banjo boy

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25 Nov 2010 20:59:22
If every Manager was judged in the first 3 months of the season , few Manger's would have carved out the careers they have .

Wether Roy Hodgson can prove himself to Fenway Sports Group or not , the Football Club and it's excellent facilities are at his disposal , and it will take time for the players to understand what Roy Hodgson wants them to do .

It is said 'Roy Hodgson trains the team to know what to do when they do not have the ball , and then relies on the players natural ability , to fashion the play when they are in possesion' .

A very reasonable method , and one that the players need to be responsive to .

People ought to know better than to blame defensive discipline , for some of the players performances . The team has to defend correctly , and clearly they are learning that . Given time they will develop the 'bottle' to play some real football .

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Fine. yet again i ask. where and at which club has your roy used the methodologies you allude to to bring success.
people ought to know better regarding defensive discipline. are you suggesting we didn't know how to defend before roy the saviour arrived.

This has got to be a wind up. you just cannot be for real

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 20:57:50
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Ed I agree with your post about players like Pacheco and Suso not really having a chance in England. And it is not just messi! Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Bojan, maybe even David Villa would have struggled to break through as youths because their play is based solely on their technical ability. Not size or pace. I can only see one role where either of these players (Pacheco or Suso) could suceed in England - as a Second Striker like King Kenny. But in the PL most teams do not even play with that. They play with two big, fast and powerful forward. Honestly I cannot see how either of our Spanish studs will ever get a look in, no matter their massive talent. Would you agree?
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - I hope that things might change over time and they get the chance, but like you I can't see it. I thought Zola might have made people realise that size is not the only thing that matters.}

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Jack wilshere plays center midfield for Arsenal, Cesc Fabregas is arguably the best midfielder in the country. Both of them are not the strongest or quickest but have an abundance of talent. Until we stop thinking that you have to be big and strong, England will never win the World Cup.

Suso and Pacheco are the best two young talents Liverpool have had in a long time. With playing time, they both will get the experience they need, to get stronger and quicker to be a success in the premiership.

if you look at the best ever players in the premiership, Zola, Cantona, Bergkamp, Henry, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Beckham, what makes them great is their ability not there strength and pace.

I don't need to remind that Spain are currently the World & European Champions. With the type of football i could only wish for at Anfield.


Peace. .

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25 Nov 2010 20:54:21
Can we start having proper rumous on site please and not some that are made from little boys club at bottom of the estate please.

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ok. tell me what a proper rumour is then. is it something you agree with? a rumour is just that, a guess. there is nothing concrete until it actually happens

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 20:52:00
If every Manager was judged in the first 3 months of the season , few Manger's would have carved out the careers they have .

Wether Roy Hodgson can prove himself to Fenway Sports Group or not , the Football Club and it's excellent facilities are at his disposal , and it will take time for the players to understand what Roy Hodgson wants them to do .

It is said 'Roy Hodgson trains the team to know what to do when they do not have the ball , and then relies on the players natural ability , to fashion the play when they are in possesion' .

A very reasonable method , and one that the players need to be responsive to .

People ought to know better than to blame defensive discipline , for some of the players performances . The team has to defend correctly , and clearly they are learning that . Given time they will develop the 'bottle' to play some real football .

1977 {ed's note - do you not think people are looking at Roy's 35 year career? A career in which he has consistently played defensive football? He has already said he will not be changing his methods and tactics because they have served him so well in the past. So, personally, I don't feel it is just 3 months he is being judged on.}

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25 Nov 2010 20:49:37
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Man city would not sell a program seller to a rival club.

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25 Nov 2010 20:48:02
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Why do ppl keep saying where going to sign city players?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? i tell ye wot you are all belittling this site with stupid rumours, do yous not follow football and you all just dreaming aloud, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, , , , , , , , , MANCHESTER CITY QWOTE "WE WILL NOT SELL TO MANCHESTER CITY RIVALS FOR EUROPEAN PLACES". but obviously if you think there is a chance of us buying a city player you must think we not rivals in premiership. for god sake am sick and tired coming on here and seeing ppl saying lfc looking on and are buying johnson. so can we please have a STOP TO STUPID RUMOURS. if you want him get onto fantacy football and get him BECAUSE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB ARE NOT GETTING HIM! !
OH YES ED BY THE WAY I HEARD OTHER DAY THAT WERE GETTING PELE, MARADONA AS A LEFT BACK, AND ROONEY IN GOAL AS HE IS GOOD IN GOALYE NO AND KING KENNY ON THE RIGHT. can we start having proper rumous on site please and not some that are made from little boys club at bottom of the estate please.

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25 Nov 2010 20:43:57
I think that we should leave Hodgson as manager till the end of the season . Then mabey Liverpool could try Radolfo Borrell (Liverpool's u18's coach)to coach the team . I think he could get Liverpool playing better football and he would give the young players a chance .
ed what do u think ? {ed's note - I would prefer him to concentrate on getting the best players coming through and finding a different coach for the first team.}

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25 Nov 2010 20:41:45
To 1977

Work with the established players to effect a performatory strategy , one that young players and new signings alike , can integrate with .

Or , admit the established players cannot do it , and roll the dice on reserve talent entertaining the fans .

Personally , I think the players have to take alot of responsibilty for performances this season , a season of turmoil thus far .

1977

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Fine. give me an example of where your roy has employed such tactical genius anywhere in the past. which great club has he worked this magical feat then
God. you even sound like him. always someone elses fault. has to be the players can't possibly be the crap tactics roy is using, can't possibly be his fine erudite demotivating of players.
Its him that's creating the turmoil! !

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 20:38:53
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Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry

I would like, sorry LOVE to have Carlton Cole and Dickson Etuhu. If you're feeling really kind, I'd like to see Christian's and Paul's contracts extended please as they are extremely valuable and I'm sure the fans would love to have them around for years to come.
Thank you,
Roy

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25 Nov 2010 20:34:20
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I have some more bnews on the Gerrard/ Torres problem. My source is very reliable reliable; I was on holiday a couple of weeks back, in SPAIN, and I was having a word with the owner of cafe close to where I was staying. He told me that a close friend of his recently got married, and this bloke's wife used to work for a bank which involved dealings with customers from all around the world. One of her customers was from Tokoyo and they used to fly over from time to time on business. On his last flight, this Japanese chap spoke with one of the flight attendants and she told him that she'd just had a chat with a cousin of hers who lives in Orlando. This cousin of hers used to play semi-pro football, and he'd recently decided to go to America to setup soccer schools in the Florida area. As you can imagine, the soccer school sees a wide range of players, some good and some not so good, but there was this one lad who stood out due to his technical ability and speed. This kid's dad happened to be a big football fan and he'd even been to watch some Premier League games in the past. His team of choice was Everton, and when he was over visiting last month he got chatting to one of the Goodison ground staff who'd just got back from a holiday in SPAIN (in the same area I stayed coincidentally). Whilst on holiday this lad had spoken to a cafe owner who told him that they'd heard a rumour that Torres and Gerrard weren't getting on, "El Rifto" were his exact words.

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25 Nov 2010 20:32:07
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Yes they will, . . just not in Liverpool!

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25 Nov 2010 20:31:08
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Is it ture that roy made a mistake yesterday by whilst talking about joe cole he called him carlton?

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25 Nov 2010 20:30:48
25 Nov 2010 20:22:02
Liverpool Rumours
25 Nov 2010 19:16:18
Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry
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Mr Henry,

Can you sign us A.Johnson + Kun Aguero Please.

I honestly believe if we were to sign these two in Jan we would definately finish no lower that 3rd.

Many thanks.

Village

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25 Nov 2010 20:28:38
SpanishChris .

I think 4-4-2 has to be the way forward for LFC . LFC have been bogged down with 2 defensive midfielders and only 1 striker for 6 years now .

Having said that , Many of the present great sides , if not all of them , are playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 .

We can be more productive with 2 Strikers , surely .

1977 {ed's note - both Barca and Madrid keep two players up front at all times, even if the personnel involved sometimes varies, you will never see Higuain or Villa isolated up top on his own. Two up front works better unless your sole intention is to defend.}

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25 Nov 2010 20:27:23
Hey . People are complaining about Roy Hodgson not giving youth a chance , when did Rafa Benitez ever give youth more of a chance - when did it ever feel like Rafa Benitez would give youth a chance .

Players such as Djimi Traore , Josemi , Dossena and Emiliano Insua were given the left back job that local youth player Stephen Warnock would have done better .

Arsenal youth reject Jermaine Pennant and even Jan Kromkamp were played on the right wing , when Adam Hammill could have been playing .

Gabriel Paletta , Manuel Pellegrino , Sotorius Kyrgiakos were played at Centre Back instead of an Academy product such as Mikel San Jose .

Florent Sinama-pongolle - a creative talent , was sold for £2.7 million .

Sebastien Leto , Mark Gonzalez and Albert Riera were signed to play a positon that Paul Anderson could have played .

Phillip Degen , Andriy Voronin , Antonio Nunez and Boudewijn Zenden were signed and played when players like Danny Guthrie , Jack hobbs/ Zak whitbread , Anthiny Le-Tallec , Darren Potter would have done atleast as good a job .

Rafa Benitez flattered to deceive . His few successes in the transfer market . 1 Champions League Success (an elitest achievement) , 1 domestice Cup Success plus 1 reasonable challenge for the title has clouded good judgement on him .

He spent £230 million on players and only around £80 million worth of them , have proved themselves to be LFC class , with the jury out on around another £35 million pounds worth .

A step up from Gerard Houllier he was , and for that we can be grateful , considering the few excellent signings Rafa Benitez made after Istanbul and the brief flirtations with promise , alot his time was just ordinary .

Considering the lee-way given to Rafa Benitez's short comings in the tranfer market , Roy Hodgson's initial efforts can be forgiven .

1977

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are you for real! ! you describe champions league success as an elitist achievement. its an achievement that your roy will never get anywhere near
If rafa was ordinary (and he had his faults i agree) then where the hell does that leave roy then. with the worst start to a campaign for years!

Sorry. your roys initial efforts are abysmal. never mind be forgiven they should be expunged. idiot

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 20:24:35
It seems Roy Hodgson has 2 choices .

Work with the established players to effect a performatory strategy , one that young players and new signings alike , can integrate with .

Or , admit the established players cannot do it , and roll the dice on reserve talent entertaining the fans .

Personally , I think the players have to take alot of responsibilty for performances this season , a season of turmoil thus far .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 20:22:02
Liverpool Rumours
25 Nov 2010 19:16:18
Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry
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I would go for Fernando Llorrente and Juan Mata. {ed's note - Llorente is 25 mate.}

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25 Nov 2010 20:20:55
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Guys, i can't claim to have any inside knowledge into upcoming transfers but i'd just like to say WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO to the idea that we are only 36 days away from the transfer window to which i really think we are FINALLY going to buy a striker of decent quality to support and play with Torres and Ngog. . Goodbye to 1 striker upfront, goodbye to Torres being foiled by 2 CBs and hello to 442 (Please Woy) and hello to NESV's supporting us financially to get us back among the contenders. .
Village

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25 Nov 2010 20:20:20
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Watched the reserve match v everton earlier. i knew pacheco had potential but was never 100% sure about him. after watching the game i am fully convinced that he is going to be a big name in a couple of years. his vision is awesome and that goal he scored was top class. i like the fact he's also a real grafter, chasing every ball, showing for it etc. you can tell he's working his arse off to show stubborn roy that he's ready. wilson was class as well, would love to see him start in the euro games. amoo and eccelston looked poor im sorry to say.

what'd you think ed? (im sorry if you've replied to similar questions but i've been out of the loop) {ed's note - I agree on both, both are ready for the first team I believe.}

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25 Nov 2010 20:19:37
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Anyone who thinks selling Gerrard is a good idea must be bloody mad i my eyes. To me he is every bit as legendary as anyone to play for our club!

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25 Nov 2010 20:17:26
Ryan Babel is a totally attacking player , only Luis Garcia and let's say Baros and Torres were afforded that luxury under Rafa Benitez .

I hope Roy Hodgson gives Ryan Babel a chance , up front in a 4-4-2 , perhaps in some away games , his talent is untapped .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 20:14:32
Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry
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Give me Kun Aguero and Juan Mata please, Mr.Henry ;)

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Id like the young steve macmanaman and robbie fowler please john if you have time machine. but for today sanchez and aguero as stated above

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25 Nov 2010 20:12:51
I like the look of Daniel Pacheco , he reminds me clearly of Peter Beardsley and Luis Garcia - an interesting combination .

The challenge has been given to him to force his way into the first team . Daniel Pacheco is now starting to rise to that challenge , in difficult circumstances .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 20:06:56
Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry
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Give me Kun Aguero and Juan Mata please, Mr.Henry ;

I would like Adam johnson and Kun Aguero, Mr. H

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25 Nov 2010 19:56:21
Hey . People are complaining about Roy Hodgson not giving youth a chance , when did Rafa Benitez ever give youth more of a chance - when did it ever feel like Rafa Benitez would give youth a chance .

Players such as Djimi Traore , Josemi , Dossena and Emiliano Insua were given the left back job that local youth player Stephen Warnock would have done better .

Arsenal youth reject Jermaine Pennant and even Jan Kromkamp were played on the right wing , when Adam Hammill could have been playing .

Gabriel Paletta , Manuel Pellegrino , Sotorius Kyrgiakos were played at Centre Back instead of an Academy product such as Mikel San Jose .

Florent Sinama-pongolle - a creative talent , was sold for £2.7 million .

Sebastien Leto , Mark Gonzalez and Albert Riera were signed to play a positon that Paul Anderson could have played .

Phillip Degen , Andriy Voronin , Antonio Nunez and Boudewijn Zenden were signed and played when players like Danny Guthrie , Jack hobbs/ Zak whitbread , Anthiny Le-Tallec , Darren Potter would have done atleast as good a job .

Rafa Benitez flattered to deceive . His few successes in the transfer market . 1 Champions League Success (an elitest achievement) , 1 domestice Cup Success plus 1 reasonable challenge for the title has clouded good judgement on him .

He spent £230 million on players and only around £80 million worth of them , have proved themselves to be LFC class , with the jury out on around another £35 million pounds worth .

A step up from Gerard Houllier he was , and for that we can be grateful , considering the few excellent signings Rafa Benitez made after Istanbul and the brief flirtations with promise , alot his time was just ordinary .

Considering the lee-way given to Rafa Benitez's short comings in the tranfer market , Roy Hodgson's initial efforts can be forgiven .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 19:50:37
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Evening ed everyone, just read on newsnow on line that Roy is trying to bring aquaman back in January , because he has restored his match fitness at juventus.any thoughts cheers . Psv elnino
{Editor's note - Will be good to see how he plays with full fitness}

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25 Nov 2010 19:37:25
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Dec 2nd and 15th liverpools next 2 europa cup games which pacheco may be given a chance, he needs to shine if he is, we all know he will be world class

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25 Nov 2010 19:30:39
Liverpool Rumours
Please tell me Pacheco is not going in the jan window! The kid has impressed me everytime I have seen him play! I thought that he would fit the current criteria. .young, promising and talented! He needs a fair crack in the premier. .Arsenal and Manure would have definately improved and blooded him much more often. I noticed also that Adam Hammill seems to be doing well and loads of prem clubs have been sniffing around. .yet more talent shipped out due to bad youth development on our part. .please change the policy and give the kids a go you never know they might surprise you Woy! Red beard

The prolem there mate is this. John Mcmhon(?) wants to see him develop into a whole player! This is where the problems begin. By that he means, track back, defend, stunt your attacking verve, be nowhere near the attack. Poor coaching once again. Negative tactics, negative mind set, as we have had for years now. Till this addressed we will go nowhere.

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25 Nov 2010 19:23:07
Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry
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Give me Kun Aguero and Juan Mata please, Mr.Henry ;)

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25 Nov 2010 19:16:18
Hi

My name is John.

John W. Henry

I would like the participants as well as the editors of this website to suggest the names of only the top 2 players you would like to see at Liverpool.

These 2 names must be by popular demand. You will surely see them playing for the LFC.

Players must not be older than 23 and must be available immediately for the first team as well as the starting 11.

Your wish is my command.
Ho ho ho
Merry christmas

JW Henry

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25 Nov 2010 19:15:44
Thanks for that - I agree that players need a good first touch and to be comfortable in possession. Two major things I don't see from us, and haven't for ages, are firstly, players showing for and demanding the ball (Alonso and Gerrard excepted), and players moving toward the man in possession and continuing their movement off the ball. It's really so basic - I remember being taught that at schoolboy age. Watching Real the other night, or Barcelona, or I hate to say it Man U when they play well, or Arsenal etc, they all play simple passes because men show and move into space. We always seem to be looking for a killer pass from 40yds, which 9 times out of 10 concedes possession, upon which we filter back and don't press until 30yds from our own goal. Then, when we do press the man in possession, we seem to go in two's, meaning the ball can be played behind our midfield with one pass. One should press and one should sit in the space surely? Am I ranting?

SpanishChris
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oh believe me mate that's not ranting. you wait till roy does his usual cock up somewhere. lol

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 19:02:09
How we long for an LFC team in the style of 'The Boot Room' yeras , however , longing for a return to Rafa Benitez's years are not the way forward . If LFC have to endure the kind of football Rafa Benitez stood for , again , the fabled European Nights (2 great Champios League campaigns worth) and the signing of 'Super Torres' aside , there will be little to look forward to .

With respect to Rafa Benitez's Champions League Success , Champions League runner-up and FA Cup winners , much of what we seen was ordinary and only achieved a few more favourable results than Gerard Houllier .

I think Benitez kidded people , with his strikers in wide positions , offering the promise of Attack - Attack - Attack , without ever meaning to put on a good show , he only wanted the scoreline to satisfy people , nuetrals aswell as fans , and ultimately stopped securing those victories . His last season was worse than his first .

LFC have played with 1 Striker for the last 6 years and have looked like a team with 5 in midfield .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 18:55:07
Please tell me Pacheco is not going in the jan window! The kid has impressed me everytime I have seen him play! I thought that he would fit the current criteria. .young, promising and talented! He needs a fair crack in the premier. .Arsenal and Manure would have definately improved and blooded him much more often. I noticed also that Adam Hammill seems to be doing well and loads of prem clubs have been sniffing around. .yet more talent shipped out due to bad youth development on our part. .please change the policy and give the kids a go you never know they might surprise you Woy! Red beard

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25 Nov 2010 18:53:28
Liverpool Rumours
I take your point. and the reason for width is to supply the forward/ s with that telling ball within a predefined system of play. However formations are not the whole issue. if you look back at the total football played by the dutch (and how wonderful it was!) it was more that players were interchangable. they didn't rigidly stick to formations, however to do that you need technically gifted players who are very good at controlling the ball, the dutch played the space. ie they were constantly moving and changing. we have some players who can do that. but our main area of concern is the instructions they are given. to hold their position, to not take chances.

With the players we have at our disposal 442 would be a sensible option. not least to give torres some support

chris 1

Thanks for that - I agree that players need a good first touch and to be comfortable in possession. Two major things I don't see from us, and haven't for ages, are firstly, players showing for and demanding the ball (Alonso and Gerrard excepted), and players moving toward the man in possession and continuing their movement off the ball. It's really so basic - I remember being taught that at schoolboy age. Watching Real the other night, or Barcelona, or I hate to say it Man U when they play well, or Arsenal etc, they all play simple passes because men show and move into space. We always seem to be looking for a killer pass from 40yds, which 9 times out of 10 concedes possession, upon which we filter back and don't press until 30yds from our own goal. Then, when we do press the man in possession, we seem to go in two's, meaning the ball can be played behind our midfield with one pass. One should press and one should sit in the space surely? Am I ranting?

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 18:50:19
Liverpool Rumours
In regards to the adam johnson rumour and people saying city won't sell to us. What could happen could be for us to sign johnson on loan until the end of the season and agree a transfer for the summer window effectively signing the player in january. This would make no difference for us considering we would have the player for the rest of the season anyway, but also it would man city have a reason to sell as the new UEFA rules come into play.

Just a thought

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25 Nov 2010 18:47:43
This is theturdz speaking
ed: do you know were i can by a kilo of mushroom cap ends ive tried everywere they don't seem to know what they are? {ed's note - er, are you sure you are on the right site? lol}

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25 Nov 2010 18:36:31
Roy Hodgeson is Fergies Sidekick!

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25 Nov 2010 18:35:04
Liverpool Rumours
Have you seen Mourinho's latest stunt ed?
Advising Alonso and Ramos to get a 2nd yellow, to get a 1 match ban in a meaningless game against Auxerre, to give them a clean slate in knock out stages?
Hes a deviously smart man, hes entertainment at least!
VIVA MOURINHO! ha !
{Editor's note - It was quite smart}

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25 Nov 2010 18:33:29
One of the ed's keeps saying, when asked for opinion, that our most pressing need in the transfer market is for width. With this in mind, and if other posters agree with the assessment, do most advocate a 4-4-2 formation home and away? I personally would love to see that, but have some concern as to how you deal with a deep-lying forward who should be picked up by a holding midfielder? Any thoughts people?

SpanishChris
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I take your point. and the reason for width is to supply the forward/ s with that telling ball within a predefined system of play. However formations are not the whole issue. if you look back at the total football played by the dutch (and how wonderful it was!) it was more that players were interchangable. they didn't rigidly stick to formations, however to do that you need technically gifted players who are very good at controlling the ball, the dutch played the space. ie they were constantly moving and changing. we have some players who can do that. but our main area of concern is the instructions they are given. to hold their position, to not take chances.

With the players we have at our disposal 442 would be a sensible option. not least to give torres some support

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 18:33:21
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
I heard today that man city wud be forced to sell players because of a new law being brought in by fifa that meant u couldnt spend more then wat you bring in in advertising and ticket sales.Could anyone explain. Ed? samuel94 {ed's note - that is UEFA's financial fair play ruling and it is a lot more complicated than that with dozens of loopholes that can be exploited for now. Added to the fact it will take 3 years before it comes into force, as it is judged on the profits/ losses over a 3 year period, there is plenty of time for City to get round it.}

tanks for clearing that up. samuel94

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25 Nov 2010 18:25:30
I believe Roy Hodgson's 30+ years of experience and tactical acumen are going to count for something . He is English , and the LFC job must be a dream , a dream , that for 30 years he would never had believed to be an option . The course of this season will bring the best out of him .

1977
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Roy is that you?? its time for your bedbath

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 18:24:50
Liverpool Rumours
If someone signs off next week "portugese chris" I will know who it is.

MUSHROOM

aka champignons?

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'PORTUGUESE'.
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I had to do one somewhere. Ed can we have spell checker please?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - try using Google Chrome mate, it comes with a built-in spell checker.}

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25 Nov 2010 18:22:28
Liverpool Rumours
So mushroom you would like liverpool to become a feeder club, just like your west hams and others to name. liverpool have always hung on to there talent not let them go just to make money we have made the money through being a success not selling players sort your heads out. although i do think that is what we are going to become under new owners i said this a few weeks ago and affraid as new ownes stated there intent on doing so

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You can not be a feeder club if you are winning as you are constantly replacing older guys with younger fresher ones.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 18:21:21
Liverpool Rumours
I heard today that man city wud be forced to sell players because of a new law being brought in by fifa that meant u couldnt spend more then wat you bring in in advertising and ticket sales.Could anyone explain. Ed? samuel94 {ed's note - that is UEFA's financial fair play ruling and it is a lot more complicated than that with dozens of loopholes that can be exploited for now. Added to the fact it will take 3 years before it comes into force, as it is judged on the profits/losses over a 3 year period, there is plenty of time for City to get round it.}

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25 Nov 2010 18:20:04
Liverpool Rumours
I agree, so do you think Roy's tactics are negative because he doesn't feel he has the personnel to be more aggressive, and that with a couple of january pick-ups he'll change the style of play? I'm suspicious that the few times we've played decent football this season its been in spite of Roy's instructions rather than because of them.

SpanishChris
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Not sure Roy knows how to be attack minded. Can't teach an old dog new tricks comes to mind. I hope I am proved wrong but I think we need a management change if we are ever going to play expansive football.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 18:18:56
Liverpool Rumours
At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.

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I completely agree. If Pacheco is so good, why is he not getting started with Torres ahead of David N'gog?

I wish we'd put the same support behind N'gog that we give to Pacheco! I reckon if David showed more aggression it would improve him so much as a player. He's literally as soft as s* t.

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25 Nov 2010 18:17:23
Liverpool Rumours
1 Tom is married to US media mogul Oprah Winfrey.
crap, his long term parner is called Caryn Mandabach he joined up with oprah to launch a cable channel oxygen, which is about modern women.
2 Tom wrote and starred in THE COSBY SHOW.
crap, he was executive producer of the show but never in it
3 Tom has been a huge supporter of the Clintons and helped them set up and make millions from their greeting card business.
crap, hes friends with bill and hilary not the card manufacturer
4 Tom has owned sport franchises since the early nineties when he bought into The Detroit Barebacks.
crap, in 1990 he bought san diego padres, not detroit barebacks
7 Tom voiced the Mamouth in ICE AGE 2 THE MELTDOWN
crap, it was ray romano

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25 Nov 2010 18:10:11
Liverpool Rumours
Formation is not really the issue. It's the negative tactics that the team are given that's the problem. Formations can change during a game dependant on what instructions are given.

MUSHROOM

I agree, so do you think Roy's tactics are negative because he doesn't feel he has the personnel to be more aggressive, and that with a couple of january pick-ups he'll change the style of play? I'm suspicious that the few times we've played decent football this season its been in spite of Roy's instructions rather than because of them.

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 18:09:29
Liverpool Rumours
I no most people want us to spend millions in jan but realistcally its not going to happen. i think we should make the best out of the squad we got. when all fit this is the squad i think we should play as we aint going to win league this season so lets get some the youngsters in so they can learn to play along side the experienced players.

Reina
johnson kelly agger aurelio/ mavinca
suso gerrard marielles cole
pacheco torres

soz bout spelling. i think this would be good for rest of season and with a few additions in sumer a good team. wot u think bout it all ed? {ed's note - neither Cole nor Suso are wide players and that just wouldn't work mate.}

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25 Nov 2010 18:05:02
Liverpool Rumours
You only have to have watched the Under 19 Championships during the summer to see that pacheco was fantastic and far superior to most of the players in that tournament. Hodgson probably missed it because he was was watching the Finnish or Lithuanian second Division or something!

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25 Nov 2010 18:00:11
Liverpool Rumours
If we can get the best out of a player, sell him for a huge profit and invest that money into more yougsters who turn out to be world class, and win trophies, I would not be against this philosophy.

MUSHROOM


so mushroom you would like liverpool to become a feeder club, just like your west hams and others to name. liverpool have always hung on to there talent not let them go just to make money we have made the money through being a success not selling players sort your heads out. although i do think that is what we are going to become under new owners i said this a few weeks ago and affraid as new ownes stated there intent on doing so

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25 Nov 2010 17:59:20
Liverpool Rumours
25 Nov 2010 17:24:10
Liverpool Rumours
If someone signs off next week "portugese chris" I will know who it is.

MUSHROOM

aka champignons?

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'PORTUGUESE'.

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25 Nov 2010 17:58:59
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If someone signs off next week "portugese chris" I will know who it is.

MUSHROOM

aka champignons?
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No I'm more a magic one than a french edible one. Or is that your point, you want to eat me? OOOH Sir.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 17:45:18
I believe Roy Hodgson's 30+ years of experience and tactical acumen are going to count for something . He is English , and the LFC job must be a dream , a dream , that for 30 years he would never had believed to be an option . The course of this season will bring the best out of him .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 17:35:54
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Can anyone clear up the announcement the club made today for me? Does this mean Werner is the new chairman or CEO? Is there still an ongoing search to replace Christian Purslow?

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25 Nov 2010 17:35:19
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Aguero wants two hundred grand a week, nice player but he should do yoga so he can stick his lovely feet up his arse, 200 G a week flippin hell, k.b

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25 Nov 2010 17:31:09
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One of the ed's keeps saying, when asked for opinion, that our most pressing need in the transfer market is for width. With this in mind, and if other posters agree with the assessment, do most advocate a 4-4-2 formation home and away? I personally would love to see that, but have some concern as to how you deal with a deep-lying forward who should be picked up by a holding midfielder? Any thoughts people?
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Formation is not really the issue. It's the negative tactics that the team are given that's the problem. Formations can change during a game dependant on what instructions are given.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 17:24:10
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If someone signs off next week "portugese chris" I will know who it is.

MUSHROOM

aka champignons?

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25 Nov 2010 17:19:26
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10 FACTS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT NEW CHAIRMAN TOM WERNER.

1 Tom is married to US media mogul Oprah Winfrey.

2 Tom wrote and starred in THE COSBY SHOW.

3 Tom has been a huge supporter of the Clintons and helped them set up and make millions from their greeting card business.

4 Tom has owned sport franchises since the early nineties when he bought into The Detroit Barebacks.

5 All Toms sports franchises have always bought at least one Australian player to help global market penatration.

6 Tom was the subject of a Paul Mccartney song "wimsical train ride" in 1983 the men have been close ever since even opening a chain of Peruvian resturants and theme parks in LA.

7 Tom voiced the Mamouth in ICE AGE 2 THE MELTDOWN.

8 Tom is Billy Crystals Godfather.

9 Tom added a further £800m to his personal fortune when he sold the rights to the POLICE ACADEMY series and will gain more money when the franchise is revamped for a 3d re release.

10 Tom is new to soccer admitting he couldnt undertand why they don't just "pick the danged ball up", however his wife played soccer at state level in high school.

T REX

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25 Nov 2010 17:18:41
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I am glad you did that it was so so tempting to lurch into a rant about someone then. but to be fair its not just him. there are quite a few players we play out of position and then wonder why they don't perform

chris 1

I was tempted to blurt out something caustic, but I've been trying to establish a degree of thoughtful comment, though my left hand keeps stopping my right hand from ranting.

One of the ed's keeps saying, when asked for opinion, that our most pressing need in the transfer market is for width. With this in mind, and if other posters agree with the assessment, do most advocate a 4-4-2 formation home and away? I personally would love to see that, but have some concern as to how you deal with a deep-lying forward who should be picked up by a holding midfielder? Any thoughts people?

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 17:14:53
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I assume neither Rafa nor Roy are willing to trust him to play in such an integral position and question whether he's up for the physical side of constant attention from Premier League centre backs.

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I am glad you did that it was so so tempting to lurch into a rant about someone then. but to be fair its not just him. there are quite a few players we play out of position and then wonder why they don't perform

chris 1

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If someone signs off next week "portugese chris" I will know who it is.

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25 Nov 2010 17:12:40
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To this poster:

I would rather have one of many strikers that are sat on the bench each week in the Premiership than believe that Pacheco is good enough now or in the future.

Bendtner, Vela, Sturridge, Kalou, Santa-Cruz, Adebayor, Keane, McCarthy.

Its just that we have no strikers after Torres that people are believing this kid is so good. If he was he would be playing just like the other youngsters we have given a chance.
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The reason Pacheco hasn't broken through is that certain managers look for different qualities in players, and the lesser managers put size and physical strength over technique and ability. Unfortunately it seems RH is one of these managers and it would appear that as he isn't 6ft and doesn't just kick the ball anywhere he is being over looked. No-one is claiming the Pacheco is the finished article, but he is doing more than enough in the reserves to warrant a place on the bench at least. And getting first team experience will only make him a better player.

You can be sure that if Pacheco was playing in La Liga he would be an established first teamer by now, gaining experience and improving week in week out.

Tommy Walsh

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25 Nov 2010 17:12:36
Ha . I am sure you will have plenty to say on your return, possibly to read aswell. Have a good un.
On second thoughts will you be able to stay away from the "world wide web" long enough though?

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Have a great week off Chris - I'll be gone in 10 minutes or so, so feel free to let loose on the other Eds.}
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lol. .naw the mrs has banned me from taking my laptop. . i wouldn't dream of letting loose mr ed. i am a reformed character. .at least until roy does something daft again

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25 Nov 2010 17:11:41
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Wish people would stop trying to get peoples hopes up with adam johnson cos it is not gunna happen, , man city will not sell to liverpool or any other premier league rival
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I don't actually think that would be an issue (provided Johnson requested to leave). Mancini won't really have that "stance" if you like, given that in Italy, all the big clubs sold players to each other (Juve, AC Milan, Inter and Roma who are all massive rivals).

Anyhow, I'm not really sure if clubs outside England are very aware of his talents, so if he wishes to leave, and City refuse to sell to a rival and stick him in the reserves or something, he could always engineer a move away via UEFA or FIFA. It's been done before. (But it won't come to that)

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25 Nov 2010 17:08:39
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NOT A RUMOUR BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY BABBEL IS USED ON THE WING WHEN HIS BEST POSITON IS UP FRONT

I assume neither Rafa nor Roy are willing to trust him to play in such an integral position and question whether he's up for the physical side of constant attention from Premier League centre backs.

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I am glad you did that it was so so tempting to lurch into a rant about someone then. but to be fair its not just him. there are quite a few players we play out of position and then wonder why they don't perform

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 17:07:34
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NOT A RUMOUR BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY BABBEL IS USED ON THE WING WHEN HIS BEST POSITON IS UP FRONT
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I must have missed something, I didn't think Babbel was used at all.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 17:05:35
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Nope i have been really good today and havent bored everyone with my rants about a nameless person. . i was tempted but i resisted and feel all the stronger for it. .all i need now is for us to actually attack at the weekend and i shall be sort of happy.
Yoy got a week free of me next week am off to sunny portugal

chris 1

dont eat all the fish!
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ha . I am sure you will have plenty to say on your return, possibly to read aswell. Have a good un.
On second thoughts will you be able to stay away from the "world wide web" long enough though?

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Have a great week off Chris - I'll be gone in 10 minutes or so, so feel free to let loose on the other Eds.}

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25 Nov 2010 17:05:05
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NOT A RUMOUR BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY BABBEL IS USED ON THE WING WHEN HIS BEST POSITON IS UP FRONT

I assume neither Rafa nor Roy are willing to trust him to play in such an integral position and question whether he's up for the physical side of constant attention from Premier League centre backs.

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 17:03:17
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Ah but would Zola's wife agree that size doesn't matter? RED77

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25 Nov 2010 17:01:04
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Whats the crack with pacheco reportedly been sold surley they can't be serios the young lad has imense tallent he just needs more game time to show his worth
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Totally agree mate. Very much in the Dalglish mould, though he doesn't use his ass as good as King Kenny did.
Suso is going to be exceptional aswell. What vision this kid has for someone so young. I just hope we keep hold of these longer than we do Roy so someone can give them their chance.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 16:57:16
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Its actually quite nice reading everyone else have a go at roy instead of me. i was beginning to get a complex. i thought i may have been reading a different page to everyone else lol

chris 1
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Are you sure you just haven't forgot to sign some of them off? :-)

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Nope i have been really good today and havent bored everyone with my rants about a nameless person. . i was tempted but i resisted and feel all the stronger for it. .all i need now is for us to actually attack at the weekend and i shall be sort of happy.
Yoy got a week free of me next week am off to sunny portugal

chris 1

dont eat all the fish!

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25 Nov 2010 16:56:32
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NOT A RUMOUR BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY BABBEL IS USED ON THE WING WHEN HIS BEST POSITON IS UP FRONT

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25 Nov 2010 16:53:11
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Whats the crack with pacheco reportedly been sold surley they can't be serios the young lad has imense tallent he just needs more game time to show his worth
AGREE OR DISSAGREE

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25 Nov 2010 16:48:25
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As far as I'm aware, you're both wrong. Lucas was sent off due to a second yellow - which, I was told, means a 1-match ban. If it was a straight red then he would be banned for 3 games.
Hopefully Lucas has been brought back down to earth after the West Ham game and will get back on form.
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I stand corrected. Well done sir.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 16:46:04
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Correct me if i am wrong. but isn't lucas suspended?

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you are correct and I believe for another 2 games. West Ham was his first.

MUSHROOM"

As far as I'm aware, you're both wrong. Lucas was sent off due to a second yellow - which, I was told, means a 1-match ban. If it was a straight red then he would be banned for 3 games.
Hopefully Lucas has been brought back down to earth after the West Ham game and will get back on form
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then i stand corrected. thank you

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25 Nov 2010 16:44:30
At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.
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Didn't Didier Drogba only sign his first professional contract at the age of 21?

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25 Nov 2010 16:44:22
HURRY UP. get your rumours, moans, whines, completly innacurate estimations, rants in before 5. the ed is having some time off. . and personally i don't blame him one bit.

Now theres a thought. are all the ed's male?

chris 1 {ed's note - yes mate they are, but not all the eds will be having time off, I don't tend to get that luxury often!}

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25 Nov 2010 16:43:57
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Its actually quite nice reading everyone else have a go at roy instead of me. i was beginning to get a complex. i thought i may have been reading a different page to everyone else lol

chris 1
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Are you sure you just haven't forgot to sign some of them off? :-)

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25 Nov 2010 16:42:12
"25 Nov 2010 13:59:47
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Correct me if i am wrong. but isn't lucas suspended?

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you are correct and I believe for another 2 games. West Ham was his first.

MUSHROOM"

As far as I'm aware, you're both wrong. Lucas was sent off due to a second yellow - which, I was told, means a 1-match ban. If it was a straight red then he would be banned for 3 games.
Hopefully Lucas has been brought back down to earth after the West Ham game and will get back on form.

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25 Nov 2010 16:41:37
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Possibly. Please revert back to my previous statement.

MUSHROOM

THIS IS TO MUSHROOM:

You should be taken back to your box, turn the light off so that you are in the dark (which you should be used to), and fed carp, like all other mushrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about what is happening at LFC.
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How big do you think this fish is I've caught? Can't be that big it didn't take much reeling in.
Your right I know absolutely nothing and you know everything which is why you have listed all these facts for me to read.

IN THE DARK MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 16:37:46
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Has anyone seen pocheo goal against everton res

AMAZING

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25 Nov 2010 16:36:58
You watch your blood pressure if you not ranting mate.

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Its actually quite nice reading everyone else have a go at roy instead of me. i was beginning to get a complex. i thought i may have been reading a different page to everyone else lol

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 16:36:04
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Regarding Pacheco.

He has just won the golden boot at the European u21 champiomship. Previous winners include Torres. Hoever he is NOT a striker. He is a midfield player with an eye for goal. The goal he scored for the reserves the other night was superb. The players mentioned as being in the first team by 19 - fair comment - but they were introduced - a lot of them by Souness. Souness might have been poor in his choice of newspaper friends, but he gave chances to young players. Rafa basically didn't. He deserves to be given a chance - as does this new kid Suso - don't let him rot in the stiffs Roy

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25 Nov 2010 16:34:57
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You will have to wait and see, time will tell. If I am wrong, I will gladly hold my hands up and appologize. If I am right. . . . . .am I someone in the know or someone who has had a lucky guess? Whoooooo

MUSHROOM

Or you could be someone who is talking out their apse?
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Possibly. Please revert back to my previous statement.

MUSHROOM

THIS IS TO MUSHROOM:

You should be taken back to your box, turn the light off so that you are in the dark (which you should be used to), and fed carp, like all other mushrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about what is happening at LFC.

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25 Nov 2010 16:33:47
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As much as I would love to see Adam Johnson at Liverpool, Man City wouldn't sell to us. Unless he handed in a transfer request and become a disruptive influence, I can't see him leaving. We really missed a trick in not signing him last year. Think we had been linked with him every year since was about 17, and when he becomes available we didn't go for him, he was available for half the amount Man City paid for him.
I have also seen a lot of people on here calling for the signing of Ever Banega, and he would be a great player to have. The closest thing around to Xabi Alonso, He would be terrific along side Gerrard and Meireles, with Lucas in reserve to fill if one was unavailable.
If he were to sign, than wide players to provide service for Torres would be a more pressing need than finding a partner or back up to Nando.

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25 Nov 2010 16:32:08
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It is a sad fact that due to media pressure to win now, young players such as Pacheco will never be given the chance to play, struggle, adapt, and blossom. Instead we get someone like Joe Cole and pay him a fortune, when in reality he's probably not much, if at all, better than Pacheco. Now of course, if Cole is fit and Roy picks Pacheco ahead of him, and Pacheco struggles, then Roy's an idiot and is wasting the clubs money. You either have to commit to the kids or scrap the waste of money academy.

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 16:31:39
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I also would like to endorse my heartfelt thanks for all the work you do. and not least the hours you put in, i am sure it may seem like a pain at times but we certainly appreciate it.
Incidently i am enjoying my rant free day so much i may restrict myself to just one day a week ranting. now that's progress

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You watch your blood pressure if you not ranting mate.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 16:29:48
Roy Hodgson has played only 7 away games thus far , Rome was not built in a day . O.K , Roy Hodgson has hardly approached the game like Harry Redknapp , but I expect Roy Hodgson to grow into the role , and ask more of the players the longer he works with them . I think Roy Hodgson knows the team is capable of more , this season is the only opportunity for both the Staff and the Squad to prove to Fenway Sports Group just how deserving and performatory they can be for the Club .

It is a clean slate , and for the Staff and Squad a prime chance to prove a point .

I really hope the season turns in our favour , through effort and desire .

The moves Fenway Sports Group are making behind the scenes , have to be lived up to - for morale .

1977

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25 Nov 2010 16:25:02
The point is that the rest of them shouldn't need dragging by the scruffs, they should be as committed and take as much responsibility as Gerrard does himself. Its not about dumping Gerrard. My question, and it's only a question, is does Gerrard's presence stop the others from 'stepping up to the plate' because they expect him to do it for them? If the answer to that is yes, then it naturally follows to ask whether that is a good thing when you consider, as ed said, one man can't win on his own, not even Maradona. I'm not Stevie-bashing at all, I just think a balanced side is more productive than a reluctant one with a single outstanding individual. As I've already said, its not Gerrard who is at fault. But why do they need a saviour so often?

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25 Nov 2010 16:23:10
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At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.

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25 Nov 2010 16:20:45
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Seeing as I wouldn't label us in the same bracket as Palace - does that mean we should hang onto him for 4 years until he gets to Arsenal's standard then?

I would rather have one of many strikers that are sat on the bench each week in the Premiership than believe that Pacheco is good enough now or in the future.

Bendtner, Vela, Sturridge, Kalou, Santa-Cruz, Adebayor, Keane, McCarthy.

Its just that we have no strikers after Torres that people are believing this kid is so good. If he was he would be playing just like the other youngsters we have given a chance.
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Please! From all the strikers you have listed there that you would prefer just shows me that you know nothing. Keane was a massive success wasn't he. Now if you say he was not given a chance, then that is my point with Pacheco.
Please list the youngsters we have given a real chance to. After Gerrard, Owen and Carragher, I'm struggling.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 16:15:18
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Harry J

The point is that the rest of them shouldn't need dragging by the scruffs, they should be as committed and take as much responsibility as Gerrard does himself. Its not about dumping Gerrard. My question, and it's only a question, is does Gerrard's presence stop the others from 'stepping up to the plate' because they expect him to do it for them? If the answer to that is yes, then it naturally follows to ask whether that is a good thing when you consider, as ed said, one man can't win on his own, not even Maradona. I'm not Stevie-bashing at all, I just think a balanced side is more productive than a reluctant one with a single outstanding individual. As I've already said, its not Gerrard who is at fault. But why do they need a saviour so often?

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 16:12:23
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Another couple of years and Gerrard will slow down, then he will become a superb holding midfielder.

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25 Nov 2010 16:08:57
Lucas was in fact suspended for the West Ham game or didn't anyone notice?

Harry J

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25 Nov 2010 16:03:32
To Harry
Anyone suggesting we would be a better team without Gerrard has a short memory. Are you forgetting Istanbul or the 2006 FA cup final. Without Gerrard we would be facing nearly 10 years without a major trophy. Nobody else in our squad is capable of dragging the team along by the scruffs of their necks like Stevie. Unless we buy 3 £20M players we will continue to rely on him for the next few years. Just wait for our next abysmal performance without him (this sunday probably, when a midfield four of Lucas, Poulsen, Maxi and Meireles will be non-existent).

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1; Lucas is suspended
2; No one is saying we could or should do without stevie. .but why are the other players not stepping up to the mark. Yes stevie has been a legend for us and always shall be. . but his legs won't last forever, he can't keep shouldering the mantle of winning games by himself. To be honest that's maybe part of the problem why other players don't step up. because stevie always has.

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 16:01:02
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To chris1

You're right. That example from liam proves the whole validity of the discussion - that they were waiting for Gerrard to bail them out. He may have a point in that on that occasion the players didn't perform better without him, but to be fair the midfield did include Shelvey and Spearing, who were a bit overwhelmed. It's not difficult to find examples of Gerrard proving his worth, but nobody's disputing that. Why do people keep reading a discussion about team balance as anti-Gerrard?

SpanishChris

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25 Nov 2010 15:57:28
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Anyone suggesting we would be a better team without Gerrard has a short memory. Are you forgetting Istanbul or the 2006 FA cup final. Without Gerrard we would be facing nearly 10 years without a major trophy. Nobody else in our squad is capable of dragging the team along by the scruffs of their necks like Stevie. Unless we buy 3 £20M players we will continue to rely on him for the next few years. Just wait for our next abysmal performance without him (this sunday probably, when a midfield four of Lucas, Poulsen, Maxi and Meireles will be non-existent).

Harry J

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25 Nov 2010 15:48:45
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Wishful thinking this. Roy to be here until at least the summer.

MUSHROOM

And how do you know that? or is that just u making stuff up as well?
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You will have to wait and see, time will tell. If I am wrong, I will gladly hold my hands up and appologize. If I am right. . . . . .am I someone in the know or someone who has had a lucky guess? Whoooooo

MUSHROOM

Or you could be someone who is talking out their apse?

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25 Nov 2010 15:44:03
Now that the chairman issue is solved , from monday werner will be the incharge. ED will there be any changes on the managerial issue in the coming month or so? .
Aji

{Editor's Note: I don't expect any. Tom Werner will be looking particularly at longer term exploitation of the club. I am also certain that he will give a gung-ho statement any day now.}

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25 Nov 2010 15:42:01
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Hi people, what do you think of these possibilities, i have ben reading alot lately on the liverpool website, on here and to jamie redknapp. now i know this mite be true or could not be true but if we do get the 35 mil which has been suggested for this january transfers then what would be your signings? for instance we have been linked to karim benzema, now he is to me a world class striker after watching him for france against england plus for real when he gets chance and lyon, my other striker/ winger could be honda? now what do people make of him? he was a really succesful in the world cup as a player, now they say the best way to show yourself is on the big stage and it doesn't get much bigger then the world cup, arda turan is also a player i like alot and has been mentioned on here numerus times plus mata, also a player i have seen mentioned on the liverpool website is stephen ireland, he has been pushed aside at aston villa, and he is better than what we have got at the moment in centrall midfield, eg lucas poulsen, ? defenders we could look at is taiwo i don't know the situation on him but he is something that we could look at. central defenders i have seen much on this and i would not know who to buy so i would leave that up to you guys, now as you can see i have got:

benzema, honda, turan, mata, ireland, taiwo, plus central defender, now obviously this will be above the 35mil, but maybe there mite be some outgoings with babel, lucas poulsen, ngog,

my four signings would be benzema, honda, central defender and central midfielder, thanks for reading please have your say

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25 Nov 2010 15:39:58
Then I am sure chris 1 will accompany me in thanking all the Eds for a great site. It's good to read people's opinions, even if some of them are blinkered. That's not aimed at you chris 1.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: We appreciate your kind words. And appreciate the (so far) rant free day. As a guide - I am going to disappear out for a couple of hours from five or so, you can knock yourselves out during that perio with as many rants about Roy, me, whoever you like.}
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I also would like to endorse my heartfelt thanks for all the work you do. and not least the hours you put in, i am sure it may seem like a pain at times but we certainly appreciate it.
Incidently i am enjoying my rant free day so much i may restrict myself to just one day a week ranting. now that's progress

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 15:37:28
Liverpool Rumours
25 Nov 2010 15:31:03
Liverpool Rumours
Ed, my list, with Van Der Wiel, Mertsacker and so on in, may be fantasy football, but that is what a wish list is! I don't actually believe we will bring those players in!
In reality i believe it will be:
Reina
Kelly
Skrtel
Carragher
Insua
Hazard
Lucas
Gerrard
Torres
Elmander
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Exactly my fear. We will not be able to get any of our transfer targets so we will be forced to play with 10 men. The left side of the field there looks pretty lonely.
Anfield Rapstar

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25 Nov 2010 15:34:16
Liverpool Rumours
Would be a real shame if Dani Pacheco was sold, without being given a real opportunity at the club. After his exploits at the u-19 championships this summer and Liverpool rejecting loan offers left, right and centre i thought that we would see him a lot more in the 1st team - but this hasn't been the case. If we weren't going to play him, why did we not loan him out? Surely first team football whether in Premiership, high flying championship team or La Liga, would have done wonders over reserve team football.
Look at Mikel San Jose, went to Athletic Bilbao last season on loan (had a stupidly low transfer fee at the end of it) played some 1st team football and now is 1st choice there.
Adam Hammill is another player like this, spent a season in the SPL, played very well - had the likes of Celtic and Rangers wanting him on loan - ended up back in our reserves, off to Barnsley, and now showing he is too good for the championship, and will get picked up by a club other than us. I hear Bolton are interested in him and under Owen Coyle he would really do well and end up being a really quality player.
I fear the likes of Pacheco, Wilson, Bruna, Suso and Mavinga could rot in our reserves - move on to other clubs and become very good players (thoughts ed.)

{Editor's Note: It is tough that clubs can't hang on to all of the younger players. As a general guide most higher-level teams will not have had one youngster coming through the ranks to the first team each year except for perhaps Arsenal. No we are seeing Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool bringing the players through - but there will simply never be the space for all of them, and some will naturally find their true level in the Championship or elsewhere. And as you say, some of those will indeed make a subsequent step up. I do understand that it is not easy though.}

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25 Nov 2010 15:33:42
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Wrong wrong wrong. Ian wright was a massive star at Arsenal and he did not come into football properly until he was in his early twenties for Crystal Palace.
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you have stated the exception and not the rule. In MODERN football you pretty much have become a regular in the first team before you are 20 if you want to make it big. Some other players take longer to develop or do not have a look in to the first XI so they have to move on and if they are good enough they might still make it. Players that Liverpool has parted with in the past like Hammill, Hobbs, and Anderson are starting to show what they can do in the Championship and if they do well enough big clubs will swoop for them.
Anfield Rapstar

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25 Nov 2010 15:31:52
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Hey ed;
Do me and mushroom get paid for being eds for the day lol

Its quite good tho. and i havent had a rant once. those tablets must be working

chris 1 {ed's note - none of us editors get paid mate!}
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Then I am sure chris 1 will accompany me in thanking all the Eds for a great site. It's good to read people's opinions, even if some of them are blinkered. That's not aimed at you chris 1.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: We appreciate your kind words. And appreciate the (so far) rant free day. As a guide - I am going to disappear out for a couple of hours from five or so, you can knock yourselves out during that perio with as many rants about Roy, me, whoever you like.}

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25 Nov 2010 15:31:03
Liverpool Rumours
Ed, my list, with Van Der Wiel, Mertsacker and so on in, may be fantasy football, but that is what a wish list is! I don't actually believe we will bring those players in!
In reality i believe it will be:
Reina
Kelly
Skrtel
Carragher
Insua
Hazard
Lucas
Gerrard
Torres
Elmander

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25 Nov 2010 15:27:51
Hey ed;
Do me and mushroom get paid for being eds for the day lol

Its quite good tho. and i havent had a rant once. those tablets must be working

chris 1 {ed's note - none of us editors get paid mate!}

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25 Nov 2010 15:23:11
I'm surprised that we didn't follow up our interest in Ever Banega in the Summer. To be totally honest, I don't think we need a specialist defensive midfielder in our team. Gerrard and Miereles are perfectly capable of getting back.

But an even more ideal scenario would be to have someone of Banega's mould in the team. He is very similar to Xabi Alonso. He can sit in front of the back four and do a job there, but going forward his passing is excellent and he is very creative.

Like I said, I don't think a specialist defensive midfielder is required. I gather he has a release clause of £8m, why not move for him?

Do you rate him eds? {ed's note - I rate him very highly mate, he is a top class player, he will be a huge star.}

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25 Nov 2010 15:16:31
Liverpool Rumours
Is what nesv stand for buy players with potential and after a few years when the value has gone up look at selling them for a profit? Pacheco has all the ability to become an amazing player for liverpool, so why sell him now? It's only cos roy hodgson won't play him, won't take the gamble, that he is looking at going, back to who we should sign, bangera, hazard, honda and defour, quality and will only get better and this will put us back in europe and were we belong, oh and if anything left over buy kevin doyle.

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25 Nov 2010 15:16:18
To liam

Can i not remind you of the Napoli game a few weeks ago. . oh the one where steven gerrard come off the bench won it on his own, and eveyone was up his a* * saying he's the best player lfc have ever had, now this - come on people behave lol.
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Err surely that's the point of the whole discussion tho. he shouldnt have to come on and win the game by himself. What they are saying is that some players raise their game when stevie isn't on the pitch. and that they should be doing that all the time.
Nobody in their right mind is suggesting we get rid of an icon. but more why arnt the others stepping up

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 15:05:14
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I can't believe some of the stuff i'm reading on here today " Steve Gerrard out the team?" "players playing better when he isn't there?" whats all that about.

We played West Ham who are by far the poorest team in the league surely going down this year 'at home' aswell.
Can i not remind you of the Napoli game a few weeks ago. . oh the one where steven gerrard come off the bench won it on his own, and eveyone was up his a* * saying he's the best player lfc have ever had, now this - come on people behave lol.

He's probably the best we've had, definately the best we got, and has plenty to offer for a few more years.

Stop deflecting the team performances from Roy to Ste G. Roy's the manager he gets the praise when its good and he gets the stick when it's bad any manager will tell you that, simple fact of football.

Liamr23

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25 Nov 2010 14:44:17
Liverpool Rumours
At the moment Liverpool fc are a strong team. The only problem is that new players have been introduced and it can take a full season before players become comfortable playing with each other.
Players such as Meireles are already showing signs of quality and other players such as Joe Cole will also show their quality sooner or later.

Every new player needs time to integrate into a new team. Certain players will integrate quicker than others depending on the player and the role they have to fill in a new team.
It is important that LFC buy certain quality players this Janurary so as they can be integrated squad members for the start of 2011-2012 season.

Such certain players include:
Banega
Mata or Hazard or Young
Llorente or Lukaku or Gomez.

Patient Liverpoolfc fan.

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25 Nov 2010 14:42:37
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Now don't go and throw a wobbly. but wasnt king kenny one of the ones who reccomended roy in the first place. I know his advice was sought regarding managers at the time.
So yes i agree. but i think they will leave things until much later in the season before doing anything

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Don't worry I don't sulk.
Yes Kenny recomended Roy but he was the best option out of a bad bunch. When Kenny realised this he put himself in the frame for manager believing he was no worse a choice than Roy. The regime at the time thought Kenny had been out of the game too long to be considered.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 14:37:03
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It would have been good to sell Gerrard in the summe, r if we could have replaced him with VDV or Sneijder, would have released funds for more development and also unhinged the restraint of the team. Iv seen if many times were we have better options to go wide or put a ball into the box, but we pass to Gerrard instead and expect him to carry us forward, as much as he helps the team, he restrains other players at times.
Alonso eased this in the past, by carrying a lot of the burden, and sharing thw work load. As Ed says, we need a player equal to Alonso, who could take some of the reliance and pressure off Gerrard. As I say i believe VDV would have been perfect, but sinse hes gone, Sneijder would suit.
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I hate to break it to you lad, but this isn't Football Manager. It's not as simple as that.

Of course, if Gerrard left, we could find someone to fill the extremly massive gap he would leave, but we would NEVER find a replacement.

You get get a top player, but you couldn't replace the passion he has for this club, you couldn't replace the love and fight and never say die spirit he has. You couldn't replace the leadership he offers and the fact that his presence seems to drive people on.

You could replace none of that. I hate these Football Manager junkies coming out and saying stuff like "Sell Gerrard for £30m and we could have signed VDV and released funds for other players". Or "Sell Torres for £40m, replace with £20m player and another £20m released for another top player". It doesn't work like that and it's not that simple at all.

For a start, VDV isn't a shadow of the player of Gerrard when Gerrard is on form.

What's the point in selling your best player? Why? If you want to move forward you keep your best players. Selling Gerrard and bringing in someone who wouldn't be as good isn't making progress, its moving backwards and showing lack of ambition.

If anything, we should be building a team around Gerrard and making our team better.

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25 Nov 2010 14:33:40
To Mushroom

Sorry mate I completely disagree. Mr Henry was informed by a massive Liverpool fan on his staff that the club would be a sound investment. Also King Kenny, and the legend that is Ian Rush, are at pretty much every game so I am sure he will be asking their opinions regarding manager/ team as I believe John understands what these former players means to us true fans.

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Now don't go and throw a wobbly. but wasnt king kenny one of the ones who reccomended roy in the first place. I know his advice was sought regarding managers at the time.
So yes i agree. but i think they will leave things until much later in the season before doing anything

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 14:27:43
I think what you've wrote there is a pile of s* te in a bag tbh mate
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let me know where you buy your teabags and i shall use another shop

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 14:22:45
I can not see life under roy getting any better or worse, i think this is roy's way to survive and always has been, win one or two. lose one or two. win one or two lose one or two, but that is not good enough for lfcmaybe for fulhams, but each win will buy him time with new owner, so am afraid to say we are fulham untill john and tom are hungry enough and fed up not winning silverware, they don't know football and roy is very highly spoken of in the football world, so we are going to have to sit and get on with praying for wins against ye blackpools wigans
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I think what you've wrote there is a pile of s* te in a bag tbh mate.

I'm not a fan of Hodgson it has to be said, and his away tactics are too negative, but Rafa Benitez never got as much stick for his negative away tactics either.

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25 Nov 2010 14:21:34
Liverpool Rumours
It would have been good to sell Gerrard in the summe, r if we could have replaced him with VDV or Sneijder, would have released funds for more development and also unhinged the restraint of the team. Iv seen if many times were we have better options to go wide or put a ball into the box, but we pass to Gerrard instead and expect him to carry us forward, as much as he helps the team, he restrains other players at times.
Alonso eased this in the past, by carrying a lot of the burden, and sharing thw work load. As Ed says, we need a player equal to Alonso, who could take some of the reliance and pressure off Gerrard. As I say i believe VDV would have been perfect, but sinse hes gone, Sneijder would suit.

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25 Nov 2010 14:15:08
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The staff at lfc see pacheco every day obviously he is not as good as we think, and hes not actually on fire for the reserves is he but did take his goal well vs Everton the other night.
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Mr Fairclough also gave him the man of the match so he can't be that bad. Suso played brilliantly aswell.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 14:12:18
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I can not see life under roy getting any better or worse, i think this is roy's way to survive and always has been, win one or two. lose one or two. win one or two lose one or two, but that is not good enough for lfcmaybe for fulhams, but each win will buy him time with new owner, so am afraid to say we are fulham untill john and tom are hungry enough and fed up not winning silverware, they don't know football and roy is very highly spoken of in the football world, so we are going to have to sit and get on with praying for wins against ye blackpools wigans
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Sorry mate I completely disagree. Mr Henry was informed by a massive Liverpool fan on his staff that the club would be a sound investment. Also King Kenny, and the legend that is Ian Rush, are at pretty much every game so I am sure he will be asking their opinions regarding manager/ team as I believe John understands what these former players means to us true fans.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 14:05:19
Liverpool Rumours
I can not see life under roy getting any better or worse, i think this is roy's way to survive and always has been, win one or two. lose one or two. win one or two lose one or two, but that is not good enough for lfcmaybe for fulhams, but each win will buy him time with new owner, so am afraid to say we are fulham untill john and tom are hungry enough and fed up not winning silverware, they don't know football and roy is very highly spoken of in the football world, so we are going to have to sit and get on with praying for wins against ye blackpools wigans

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25 Nov 2010 13:59:47
Liverpool Rumours
Correct me if i am wrong. but isn't lucas suspended?

chris 1
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you are correct and I believe for another 2 games. West Ham was his first.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 13:59:13
Liverpool Rumours
Just seen us linked with a £6m move for Annan. I was impressed with him at the World Cup.

Apparantly we're ready to off-load Poulsen to sign him. Worth it really. Only £6m
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I would quite happily give someone £6m to take poulsen lol

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 13:56:27
Liverpool Rumours
The staff at lfc see pacheco every day obviously he is not as good as we think, and hes not actually on fire for the reserves is he but did take his goal well vs Everton the other night.

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25 Nov 2010 13:54:14
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At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.

Why have some of our fans suddenly lowered there standards to start believing that this is as good as it gets?

Let some other team try and realise the potential in them - they aint gonna make it at LFC!
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Wrong wrong wrong. Ian wright was a massive star at Arsenal and he did not come into football properly until he was in his early twenties for Crystal Palace.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 13:52:38
Liverpool Rumours
Just seen us linked with a £6m move for Annan. I was impressed with him at the World Cup.

Apparantly we're ready to off-load Poulsen to sign him. Worth it really. Only £6m.

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25 Nov 2010 13:50:56
Liverpool Rumours
Yes it is obvious liverpool have relied on Gerrard over the years but he is a liverpool player that plays like a fan. Which you on here given the chance wouldn't play like that. Reina plays like a fan, Torres and Carragher play like fans it is down to the other 8 + or so players to play like fans than the lose of on man will not be missed. The key players take liverpool to there hearts and that why they can win and save us games. Chelsea at there highs had alot more players that loved chelsea and I guess that was the mourhino effect, when one big play is out they are still a team to beat. All I can say is Gerrard is a victim of his passion for the club and I don't see why he should be singled out as a problem because the level he sets only few can reach.

Kiddox

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25 Nov 2010 13:43:41
Liverpool Rumours
If the story about Pacheco being one of the players Roy is willing to let go then that really should be the last straw, there are clubs all over Europe who would love to have him. If he judged him on the Northampton game when he played in a team that was just thrown together and also out of position on the right side then Roy is really clueless. If Roy had Messi in his squad from when he was a kid he'd still be waiting to break through into the first team.

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25 Nov 2010 13:41:11
Team to play spurs

reina

def johnson kelly agger carragher skrtel kyrgiakos aurelio konchesky
mid lucas poulson
att no one

bench
jones ayala wilson shelvey spearing meireles
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correct me if i am wrong. but isn't lucas suspended?

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 13:39:58
Liverpool Rumours
I have supported liverpool for nearly 40 years and have never been one to have a go at the manager or the team. however it is de-moralising watching the brand of football hodgson currently advocates and depressing to hear him say how much we should be pleased with the odd point away from home! this is not the liverpool way and certainly not the shankly way!every time he speaks i gringe-for an intelligent man he can be very dumb. telling pacheco his reserve performances are not going to catapult him into the first team is de-motivating for every reserve team player who walks out onto the pitch and every youngster who dares to aspire to the first team! i do not know who we will buy but the english players we linked to on are not going to help us get back to were we want to be. i hope for a new manager for xmas- Flores like in particular or Laudrup-just as long as we get some real talent and not somebody who is so clearly out of his depth.

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25 Nov 2010 13:19:16
Liverpool Rumours
Regarding Pacheco, I think it would be tragic to lose him especially on the basis of one game. The problem I feel is Roy Hodgson - he doesn't seem to understand that at a club like Liverpool, failing to get in the top 4 is unacceptable whereas he has never been at that standard. Should Liverpool finish 6th say, he personally will think he has done a good job and he doesn't see it any other way.

RED LENIN

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25 Nov 2010 13:18:51
Liverpool Rumours
Team to play spurs

reina

def johnson kelly agger carragher skrtel kyrgiakos aurelio konchesky
mid lucas poulson
att no one

bench
jones ayala wilson shelvey spearing meireles

team talk/ tactics for woy " if i see any of you in the opposition half you'll be following one of the brightest prospects at the club (pacheco) and be sold for peanuts. you don't win games by scoring goals you win by not trying to score goals and letting the opppostion pummel you for 90 minutes! !

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25 Nov 2010 13:09:29
To this person
My god your talking about getting rid of Gerrard. . say no more idiots.
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Read what was said! they are trying to make the point that when gerrard isn't playing, other players raise their game. which they do. the point is why don't they do that when he is in the team.!

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 13:05:10
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My god your talking about getting rid of Gerrard. . say no more idiots.

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25 Nov 2010 13:03:47
To this poster

At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.

Why have some of our fans suddenly lowered there standards to start believing that this is as good as it gets?

Let some other team try and realise the potential in them - they aint gonna make it at LFC!
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Sorry. but this is incorrect. It isn't a question of anyone lowering standards as you suggest, but more that not enough opportunity is given to younger players at the club.
To "let some other club realise the potential" as you imply is not only an utter waste but shortsighted as well.

By this logic the only youngsters we should ever let through are those who are going to be worldbeaters!. somewhat impractical don't you think.


chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 13:00:47
Liverpool Rumours
Response to Shane

I think you do make sense in what you say mate, but rather than the players being complacent regarding Gerrard, I have a feeling that they are afraid to use their intiative in case they mess up. Whether that's about them lacking self belief or fearing reprisals from the senior player/ players, I'm not sure, but I suspect the latter.

I also think that some of the players had their natural instincts and love for the game beaten out of them by Rafa's containing, positional style. Players must be allowed a degree of freedom to express themselves.

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25 Nov 2010 12:59:48
Liverpool Rumours
Alonso was a player that could change a game, so in a way yes we have build a team around gerrard but that by no means does that mean that we should or could play better without him. we get other players in like alonso who can play there own game that that pars with the gerrards, alonso's king kenny's, we have a load ov players with inabilty to raise ther game to a high winning level.

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25 Nov 2010 12:56:53
Liverpool Rumours
Who said to exclude Gerrard from the team? Take a look at yourself son!

It may also be a good idea to remove the KOP from Anfield as they are always noiser than other parts of the ground.

* *WELSH KOPITE* *

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25 Nov 2010 12:53:50
Liverpool Rumours
I watched Panaithaniokos vs Barcelona last night and was interested by the comment by Gary birtles the co commentator who suggested many of the smaller less built up players in the Barca team would have struggled to break through in English youth systems where strength and muscle over great technique are the top of coaches lists. It is probably the reason Pacheco is failing to according to Hodgson to make the 'step up'. Hodgson, Kelly and Lee are obviously in favour of strength and muscle over technique and is why we are linked with the likes of Carlton Cole and Samaras etc. This mentality is the reason for the apparent discontent in the squad (Reina). Pacheco will go and be a success back in Spain eventually with one of the big clubs. I only hope the Pacheco debacle doesn't end up with the Suso debacle next year.

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25 Nov 2010 12:51:58
Liverpool Rumours
At nearly 20 (jan 2011) Pacheco is not a future star. He should be a star now! Gerrard, Fabregas, Owen, Fowler, Anelka etc. were all exceptional talents at 19 years of age.

Why have some of our fans suddenly lowered there standards to start believing that this is as good as it gets?

Let some other team try and realise the potential in them - they aint gonna make it at LFC!

I like the rumours to some of these young players already cutting it in their leagues (Hazard, Annan etc) and the likes of Benzema (who is only 22 himself) - an awesome player. {ed's note - but all those players you talk about were given chances to play regularly from a much younger age. Pacheco has never been given that chance, he needs to get a chance now before it is too late to find out if he can do it for the first team or not.}

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25 Nov 2010 12:49:39
To mushroom

Hello chris 1. Tell Roy they are 2 for 1 at the moment in B&Q.
We have a very good nucleus and some exciting youngsters in the background. A couple of wingers and a change of tactics and we will be just fine.
I like you chris 1 - But not in a gay way. LOL

MUSHROOM
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Why thank you kind sir. i am kind to animals and have impeccable manners.

Agree about the wingers and change of tactics, although even if the pacheco rumours are even half true i find it a wee bit worrying. i guess it all comes down to who is defined as a fringe player.

The questions may very well have been loaded. but i don't understand why there should be this emphasis on the northampton game. i mean it wasnt tthe players fault that a whole load of youngsters were virtually thrown into the game and told. lets see what you can do! There wasnt any experienced players there as backup in case they were needed.

By the way. roy knows about the 2 for 1 offer and says he will buy three just in case. 1 for the first team, 1 for the fringe players and 1 for him to practice at home. and if we need to save any more money he will only use them at weekends

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 12:47:39
Liverpool Rumours
With that in mind, I'll do that daft thing that so many posters do and give an 11, based on a fit current squad with perhaps two signings in the January window:

Reina, Kelly(RB), Carra, Agger, Contrao (or Mavinga if he's not bought), Gerrard (RM), Meireles, Lucas, Honda (LM) (Kuyt if not bought), Ngog, Torres. 4-4-2 of course.

The main idea being that as Gerrard is unsellable (fan reaction) then he must play, but moving him to the right helps young Kelly and gives the other players the onus to take control. And 4-4-2 just because instead of being re-active, we should be pro-active. I don't care what the opposition are going to do - let them worry about us! In the exceptional circumstance that we come up against an unusual talent we can adapt. Failing that, play with pace and width, support Torres, and move off the ball. It's easy.

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25 Nov 2010 12:44:44
Liverpool Rumours
Hodgson has made it clear that the striker Daniel Pacheco missed a major opportunity to impress in Liverpool's Carling Cup defeat to Northampton Town in September.
And is prepared to lose him in the january transfer market.
Well all i can say is every liverpool player should be put on that list and hodgson himself at the top of the list the way we have performed since the start of the season
And when a manager say that the Europa League isn't the most important thing this season then the guy shouldnt be Liverpools manager.
Think someone forgot to tell him when he took the job and wages is that every game is importanted to the fan and every game should be played with the passion of a cup final.
Pancheco is a class player who hasnt been given the chance to play hope he come back to haunt Hodgson
there are plenty of middle class over paid players at liverpool who should be shown the door and i don't mean loaned out either

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25 Nov 2010 12:42:41
Liverpool Rumours
I happend to see 'Sold' about the sale of Liverpool on LFCTV for the first time last night. I realise the final part of the programme was a bit of a publicity piece for NESV, but I have to say I was very impressed and extremely thankful that they became the new stewards of the club and not some unknown meglomaniac Chinese or Arab 'businessman'.

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25 Nov 2010 12:40:35
See suso's interview on LFC tv. It appears Mr Benirtez was responsible for bringing Suso to the club. . . . . "I was going to sign for Real Madrid but one day before it the phone rang and Rafael Benitez spoke to me. He convinced me that Liverpool was the club for me and after that I had to change my plans. I was going to come to Liverpool."

I hope Roy has the same powers of persuasion when it comes to convincing players to sign in January but for some reason I have my doubts as to his ability to sell the club.

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25 Nov 2010 12:32:03
The guy who said 1977 is a member of RH's family or Roy himself is spot on. . no one can defend him like that EVER except himself or someone who cares alot about him and is blind to the obvious.

anyway moving on. .

without doubt we should sign

1. Eden Hazard 19 - LW/ RW
2. Dimitri Payet 23 - RW/ LW
3. Keisuke Honda 24 -CM/ AM/ LW/ RW/ SS
4. Ezequiel Lavezzi 25 - SS/ CF - Tevez-a-like

if in any doubt about any of these check them on you tube. this lot would cost in region £50-55m

without doubt we should sell

1. Johnson (£12-18m) - kellys better at defending
2. babel (£8-10m) - good but not consistent. shame.
3. jovanovic (£4-5m)- again good but lacking something
4. any other fringe players

this lot would gather £25-30m, which is a nett spend of £25m give or take.

at the same time get rid of Roy.
why?
V poor press conferences,
never comes across positive,
undermining players confidence by talking in public about them. fergie, wenger, mourinho, rafa never did this. always protecting their players even if they are sh*t
not won anything of note which according to his experience he should have,
defensive tactics in a league far worse than mourinho/ rafa,
can't seem to motivate team against teams like stoke/ blackpool
makes far too many excuses when its clear that the reason for the failure is him.

in short - crap football

don't get me wrong i'm not against him as a man but i don't think he gets Lfc like rafa, houlier, evans and all before them did.
he thinks he deserves this chance as he's had a good career but what he doesn't realise is he needs this more, than we need him.

he is far better suited to international football, set the team up not to lose and try nick the point/ s.

we should appoint one of:

1. Andre Villas Boas, 33, porto manager- young so time to build a dynasty for years to come. mourinho protege, but plays much better football than his master. his 4-3-3 with the current players and above list. we will take any one apart.

2. Owen Coyle, 44, bolton - again plays good attcking football, just think back to burnley, even when they lost played some cracking stuff with not top drawer players. at bolton he's doing the same with slightly better players and at liverpool i think he'll have time to buld a legacy a-la-shanks/ paisley/ dalglish. seems like a genuine guy. .very much what we want.

both of the above have worked in the premier league (Boas with Jose at chelski).

3. rijkaard 48 - great player and really good manager. granted was poor at gala but everyone is entitled to a dip. let's not forget he gave all the barca youth its chance (messi, iniesta, xavi, pedro, bojan), worked with segura/ borrell barca so gets the kind of youth thing we're looking to build, plus handled some massive egos (e'to, ronaldinho, henry)

or if by some miracle ancelotti leaves the blues, get him plus wilkins

imagine the squad playing under any of these managers.
all will give youth a chance (pacheco, suso, etc)
all will play free-flowing attractive football with a solid base
all will win something, speak positively, defend their players and put the pride back int he club

my team would be 4-3-3

reina
kelly, carra, agger, aurelio
meirelles
honda gerrard

hazard/ payet lavezzi
torres

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25 Nov 2010 12:29:41
Liverpool Rumours
Iv noticed there seems to be more involment in lfc scouts, or am i wrong and they just seem to be in headlines as we have new owners, they seem to be everywhere waching this player that player,
i don't think there watching any paticular player is it just new owner way they work by getting out there all time looking for the next stevie g, rooney, kaka, and torres's. the way they work over in the baseball is the scout for the best and get them. plus how much are these new rules going to affect the game ed? having to spent the money they generate. well i think ur going to see masive shirt sales all over europe with a big warehouse to hold them, whats stopping a owner going buying a million shirts to store away somewhere or sent to africa or other 3rd worlds.

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25 Nov 2010 12:27:56
Liverpool Rumours
We actually agree on quite a lot . the reason i copy and pasted those stats was not just to show we have had a bad start. as you rightly say so have others. it was more to highlight the how and why. lowest goals scored, lowest points at this stage, lowest goal difference. you know the story. You are absolutely correct about other managers, but it is really annoying that if we had even done as well(?) as last year we would be 4th or 5th at present. That really shouldnt have been too difficult to achieve with the players we have. yes we need some additions, but the nucleas of the squad are very good indeed.

I think i saw roy in B+Q asking about a lumpy playing field lol

chris 1
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Hello chris 1. Tell Roy they are 2 for 1 at the moment in B&Q.
We have a very good nucleus and some exciting youngsters in the background. A couple of wingers and a change of tactics and we will be just fine.
I like you chris 1 - But not in a gay way. LOL

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 12:24:23
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Hi Guys John W Henry here proud owner of
your beloved LFC . .

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Hi John, You will have no money to spend in January as you will owe me 1 billion dollars in compensation. There is definitly no Mascherano money as I spent this on kentucky barbeque sauce at the weekend, and god damn lovely it was too.

Hicks or Gillet - Take your pick.

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25 Nov 2010 12:22:01
To the ed;
I would just like you to take due cognizance of the fact that i havent jumped on the pacheco bandwagon. not only am i playing nicely but i am saving my hour up. have a feeling i shall need it sometime soon lol

chris 1 {ed's note - let's hope you can save it up for a lot longer yet mate!}

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25 Nov 2010 12:19:34
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Hi, does anybody know if the Honda rumours have any substance?
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If it had any substance it wouldn't be a rumour. The only way we know which players are going to sign is when they put pen to paper. We are going to be linked with several targets as we have just been bought out and the signs seem to be saying we are signing people in January. I know it's not what you wanted to hear. Patience is a virtue.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 11:57:15
Liverpool Rumours
Niko is good for 2-3 million I wouldn't mind at all can cross is young played in prem he's fine for now we can't keep linking ourselves what do we have to offer them?!

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25 Nov 2010 11:56:36
Hi Guys John W Henry here proud owner of
your beloved LFC . .( ED Love the site by the
way buddy ) We have 30 million to spend in
january and me and damien commolli have
decided to ask you guys who we should
buy. . We need a wide receiver sorry winger
and a centre forward and would like you
guys to give some suggestions.
We are also looking to re-coup some of the
money and keep wages to a minimum so
would like to lose 4 fringe players can you
suggest who could go and the value you
think they are worth . .
Finally we will replace roy in the summer
we promise so please give me your
suggestions as to who you think would take
the club forward . .re
" OK Linda coming " gotta go guys take
care.
YNWA

Yo John, how about this

Sell:
Johnson 15m Inter, Malaga, Real and Juve interested. his wages are far to high
Lucas Leiva 12m Inter time to cash in on him spearing and shelvey could do better
Christian Poulsen 4m Sevilla useless junk
Maxi Rodriguez 5m Espanyol hasn't settled in England
Sotirios Kygriakos 2m Juventus too slow
Alberto Aquilani Juventus 14m weak
Charles Itandje 500k sell him before his contract runs out
Nabil El Zhar Paok 2m Thessaloniki useless
Damien Plessis 2m Panathinaikos useless
Emaliano Insua 4m Galatasaray fat
Total: 60.5m + Masch money 22m=82.5m
82.5m+30m transfer kitty = 112.5m to spend
Trade:
Ryan Babel swap Arda Turan. The former is lazy while the latter wants to play for us.
David Ngog swap Connor Wickham too skinny, ngog
Buy:
Fabio Aurelio + 15m for Fabio Coentrao
10m Gregory van der Wiel
10m Keisuke Honda
Milan Jovanovic + 15m Eden Hazard
Joe Cole + 26m Edin Ďzeko
20m Luis Suarez
16m Juan Mata
total 112m

Thanks for listening John

{Editor's NOte: You appreciate that there is no transfer kitty per se and there is certainly no "Masch money".}

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25 Nov 2010 11:48:08
Liverpool Rumours
Im sure g.johnson is better than the wender breen rb that stopped and paced bale we hae hope we will win on sunday

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25 Nov 2010 11:35:17
Rodgson on Aurelio.
"He can definitely play as a left midfielder, " said the boss.

"When we re-signed him we were thinking we needed two good left-backs at the club and that he'd be competing for one of those places in the team, but I saw him do very well in Trabzonspor when he moved up into midfield, and he tells me that when he was in Valencia he played in midfield very often.

Am, yes Woy, he also played alot as a left sided midfielder for another club, , , , what was it called again, , , , oh ya, Liverpool.

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25 Nov 2010 11:34:04
Liverpool Rumours
I saw the highlights of the spurs game last night and del boys team arent unbeatable. sunday's game is the perfect opportunity for roy to play johnson at rm and kelly at rb. if they doubled up on bale and had some1 stay with van der vaart, we could get something from the game (i know it's not that simple).

also if pacheco does go back to spain on loan i have a feeling he will not come back, unfortunately.

always a red

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25 Nov 2010 11:33:59
To mushroom

Maybe we should play on park fields. you never know it might help

chris 1
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I completely agree with you chris 1 in the manner that Roy sets out his team, you have my full backing there. 1st half against Chelsea, against West Ham we showed signs of what we can do. Roy needs to loosen those defensive shackles. Remember though Rafa also adopted a set up very similar with 2 defensive midfielders and a world class midfielder as a back up striker. If memory serves me he also played Gerrard on the right hand side of midfield which is not his natural position and was slated by the pundits for that. I was only comparing the similarities between the managers except we all loved Rafa as he related to the fans as the Ed pointed out to me earlier.

If we carry on playing long ball, defensive football then park fields would probably help.

MUSHROOM

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we actually agree on quite a lot . the reason i copy and pasted those stats was not just to show we have had a bad start. as you rightly say so have others. it was more to highlight the how and why. lowest goals scored, lowest points at this stage, lowest goal difference. you know the story. You are absolutely correct about other managers, but it is really annoying that if we had even done as well(?) as last year we would be 4th or 5th at present. That really shouldnt have been too difficult to achieve with the players we have. yes we need some additions, but the nucleas of the squad are very good indeed.

I think i saw roy in B+Q asking about a lumpy playing field lol

chris 1

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25 Nov 2010 11:20:18
Rather than repeatedly typing my opinion of the way were have been playing please insert any year from 1999 to 2010 in the space below. .

It's _ _ _ and I'm frustrated that our manager is too defensively minded, too afraid of losing and won't let the players go out and attack.

This I think is why so many people are slow to get behind Roy, cos they can see what his style of play is and are worried that if he starts to do ok (as in top 4 finishes and maybe a cup every couple of seasons) and as we always give managers time he will be there for another 4 years. I really miss enjoying the football we play.

Fitzy

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25 Nov 2010 11:05:12
Liverpool Rumours
Hi Mr Henry here are my suggestions. .
To Buy
Karim Benzema - Forward 18 Million.
Edan Hazard - Winger 14 Milion. .
To Sell
Lucas Leiva - Stoke 5 Million. .
David Ngog - WBA 5 Million. .
Ryan Babbel - Birmingham 7 Million. .
Christian Poulsen - Dont care 4 Million. .

Manager
Owen coyle.

Hope this helps. .

Dave Give linda a kiss from me. xx

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25 Nov 2010 10:54:15
Liverpool Rumours
Todays story is that Pacheco had his chance against Northampton, and that he will be allowed to leave to free up some space on the wage bill.

How much can Pacheco possibly be earning a week? And if the players are only given one game to impress why is Poulsen still around?
I never believed RH was the right manager for us, but I still wanted him to succeed and also thought he was a genuine guy, but if Pacheco is sold the ONLY explanation can be that RH is a buffoon, who is more stubborn than Benitez. I mean didn't he recently come out defending Poulsen saying he's been playing in a poor team and when the team improves so will he. Pacheco was played in a reserve team against Northampton. CP is a 30yr old international, shouldn't the amount of chances and praise given to him and DP be the other way around.
I am finding it harder and harder every day to keep giving RH the benefit of the doubt and this will be the final straw. Next we'll be hearing that he has decided to give DP to old whiskey nose for free!
If the wage bill is in need of relief I can think of no better place to start than RH himself.

Roy, please go before you ruin our club and alienate all of our promising youngsters

Tommy Walsh

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25 Nov 2010 10:51:22
Liverpool Rumours
Hi Guys John W Henry here proud owner of your beloved LFC. .( ED Love the site by the way buddy ) We have 30 million to spend in january and me and damien commolli have decided to ask you guys who we should buy. . We need a wide receiver sorry winger and a centre forward and would like you guys to give some suggestions.

We are also looking to re-coup some of the money and keep wages to a minimum so would like to lose 4 fringe players can you suggest who could go and the value you think they are worth. .

Finally we will replace roy in the summer we promise so please give me your suggestions as to who you think would take the club forward. .

" OK Linda coming " gotta go guys take care.
YNWA

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25 Nov 2010 10:43:53
Liverpool Rumours
Whos confident we can go to spurs and come away with something

what do you think ed?

something-bel nothing-unbel

{Editor's Note: There is no reason not to get something from the game.}

i will give you one reason roy hodgsons tactics

have you seen how we try to win away from home (sarcasm)

come on ed do you honestly think we can go to spurs and win with hodgsons tactics?

dont think im being negative just to be negative but roys tactics away from home are terrible for liverpool

i hope we can go there and return victorious

{Editor's Note: I am confident that the team may be able to get something from the game.}

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25 Nov 2010 10:39:47
Liverpool Rumours
I hope the media is wrong about Pacheco leaving, would be typical Roy though, he needs to bring down the wage bill, so he lets a promising 19 year old leave who isn't on massive wages!
Do one Roy & take that cart horse Poulson with you!

{Editor's Note: I would expect it to be Comolli taking decisions about the wage bill if that were the case.}

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25 Nov 2010 10:28:32
Liverpool Rumours
OH MY GOD does RH really believe giving pacheco one game is a missed opportunity! The guy is clearly an idiot and couldn't spot a good footballer if he slapped him in his chubby chops. . .The english and foreign players he seems to like are either too old or s* * . . Please NESV don't let him make a single decision on recruitment or outgoing sales. .

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25 Nov 2010 10:20:44
Liverpool Rumours
Ed , Why babel dropped from our premier leauge squad?is'nt he good enough to play for liverpool.He was brilliant in his first ever liverpool season.He has scored 35 goals from 155 as a winger, whats wrong with him?Dont you think that he is good player?we gonna sell him in january but still i think he is one of the most skillful players in our squad, why don't they give him a chance to prove that?I think we destroyed babel by signing him from Ajax

Ed pls post this and i need ur opinion

Blazing angel

{Editor's Note: He has not played well when he has had the chance - if someone comes in for him in January, I expect him to move on.}

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25 Nov 2010 10:20:08
Liverpool Rumours
I just hope any liverpool potential targets are being worked on now there as been so many times in the past that we have been slow to try and get players

you can guarantee spurs are after the same players they always want to challenge us for signings

i hope liverpool move quickly enough for transfers in january

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25 Nov 2010 10:15:57
Liverpool Rumours
Whos confident we can go to spurs and come away with something

what do you think ed?

something-bel nothing-unbel

{Editor's Note: There is no reason not to get something from the game.}

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25 Nov 2010 10:05:50
Liverpool Rumours
Think pacheo is being punished for they way he played against northampton the same as some others

"He's had moments when he's looked good, others when not quite so, " said Hodgson.

"He's working on his game. He featured in the unfortunate Northampton game.

"It was a great opportunity for those outside the first 13 or 14 to really show me, 'You should be thinking of me.'

dont think you can judge alot of the young players on one game especially when you throw them all together

{Editor's Note: Equally, don't judge anyone on the printed results of an intereview where you don't know what (probably loaded) questions were asked.}

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25 Nov 2010 09:38:10
Liverpool Rumours
If the following is true its just another reason why Roy needs to leave our club before he turns into a copy of Fulham

Was he the only person to have a poor game against Northampton? No! !


PACHECO TO GO?
Listen to sections of the Liverpool support in recent times, and they would've told you that Dani Pacheco was Puskas, Garrincha, Zidane and Jesus rolled into one.

However, The Independent reports that Roy Hodgson doesn't quite share those sentiments, and might be willing to let the Spanish youngster go.

And curiously, the paper claims one of the reasons is to 'reduce their wage bill'. A 19-year-old, just out of the Academy? Times must be bloody tight at Anfield then.

According to The Indy, Pacheco has 'remained inconsistent', and jumps all over the following words from Hodgson: "He featured in that unfortunate Northampton game and it's a fact of life that it was a great opportunity for those outside the first 13 or 14 to really show me, 'You should be thinking of me'."

RedDan

Who do you want out first Pacheco - believable or Roy - unbelievable

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25 Nov 2010 09:15:08
Liverpool Rumours
"So C.Cole just walked into burger king, went for a piss, met you cleaning the toilets and told you his life story?"

LOL. One of the funniest responses I've seen for ages. Cheered me right up

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25 Nov 2010 08:56:26
Liverpool Rumours
Ssn understands liverpools tecnichal director has enquired about Georgios Samaras! what for? is he enquiring as to whether he's available to cook xmas dinner! what a strike partnership Samaras and Carlton Cole! I don't care how lacking we are for support for el nino, those two are two of the worst players to ever be given professional contracts. It would be a travesty if they don't the red shirt! Play pacheco roy you boring chap

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25 Nov 2010 08:14:58
Liverpool Rumours
In the Echo. . LIVERPOOL have confirmed they will tour the Far East again next summer.

Honda anyone?

{Editor's Note: Probably an Airbus.}

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25 Nov 2010 07:43:58
Liverpool Rumours
Maybe we should play on park fields. you never know it might help

chris 1
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I completely agree with you chris 1 in the manner that Roy sets out his team, you have my full backing there. 1st half against Chelsea, against West Ham we showed signs of what we can do. Roy needs to loosen those defensive shackles. Remember though Rafa also adopted a set up very similar with 2 defensive midfielders and a world class midfielder as a back up striker. If memory serves me he also played Gerrard on the right hand side of midfield which is not his natural position and was slated by the pundits for that. I was only comparing the similarities between the managers except we all loved Rafa as he related to the fans as the Ed pointed out to me earlier.

If we carry on playing long ball, defensive football then park fields would probably help.

MUSHROOM

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25 Nov 2010 07:12:42
Liverpool Rumours
Guys guys guys man city are now going for hulk but can you really blame them apart from Tevez their strikers kinda suck
Jo- who?
Adebayor - lazy annoying player only scores tap ins never seen him run
Santa Cruz _ wasted at that club
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Adebayor-lazy but world class before he was wasted
Santa cruz-ageing but natural scorer
jo- hot shot before he came here, was good for everton
Bollatelli-young, powerful, talented
silva-can play as a second striker
city got rid of bellamy who was excellent a season before and robinio in summer. so i don't see why they are after Hulk after 4 months.
if we get Hulk and honda (johnson) (Grinzman)in jan, i will be allover the moon

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25 Nov 2010 02:15:54
24 Nov 2010 23:02:46
Liverpool Rumours
24 Nov 2010 22:24:30
Liverpool Rumours
Just seen edam hazard outside a cheese factory in lille. . Can't speak french so just said "eh mate are you gonna sign for liverpool or what" he replied "oui" can anyone translate pls?
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Oui means "Not for Roy Hodgson"

Blair Mayne YNWA
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I just saw Messi outside a restaurant eating Piella and drinking Sangria. Can't speak Spanish so just said "eh mate are you gonna sign for liverpool or what" he replied, "Not for Roy Hodgson, But I'd love to manage under Rijkaard again"
Lllllooooolllll

Harry5:)

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25 Nov 2010 01:48:25
Liverpool Rumours
Here is what I hope Liverpool do between now and the start of next season, these don't need to be in chronological order.

1-Fire Roy Hodgson and hire Andre Villa Boas. I won't profess to be any expert on him or that I get to watch alot of Porto matches. I've read alot about him though and he seems like he will be the next big thing. Sometimes you gotta take a risk and due to his inexperience he is a risk. However I think he is the real deal. Now if they sign him Liverpool will play a 4-3-3 and will have to add players who fit into that.

2-Sign a leftback, I am thinking Taye Taiwo mainly because his contract is up and we could get him for a good fee.

3-Sign Keisuke Honda, as has been said here by many people he is a quality player.

4-Sign Hulk. If we bring in Boas it would make sense that he'd want to bring in Hulk. The man is a scoring machine and has played the right forward spot in Boas 3 forward system.

5-Sign Juan Mata. He is primarily a winger but has played striker too which makes him perfect for a 4-3-3. He could play on the left with Torres in the center and Hulk on the right.

6-Id sell Maxi, Jovanovic, Poulsen and Babel. Obviously it wouldn't completely offset the costs of the 4 players Im proposing to buy but NESV are willing to spend money and I don't think that Taiwo, Honda, Hulk and Mata is an unrealistic or unfair amount to expect them to spend, especially if we offset some of it by selling the 4 players I suggest.

That would leave us with the following team:

Defense: Taiwo, Agger, Carragher, Johnson as the starters and depth provided by Konchesky, Skrtel and Wilson. I think that's a quality back four to start with and some quality depth as well.

Midfield: Meireles, Gerrard, Honda. Meireles in more of a defensive role with Gerrard and Honda supporting the forwards. All 3 players are adaptable enough where they can attack and defend so they could perform a very fluid midfield. Off the bench we could have Cole if we want a more offensive player and Lucas if we want a more defensive minded player.

Attack: Mata, Torres, Hulk. I think the 3 of them would strike fear into the heart of any opposing manager. We'd have depth from Kuyt and Ngog plus Cole could even play on the wings if we need it.

This is how the starting eleven would look:

GK-Pepe Reina
LB-Taye Taiwo
CB-Daniel Agger
CB-Jaime Carragher
RB-Glenn Johnson
DM-Raul Meireles
CM-Steven Gerrard
CM-Keisuke Honda
LF-Juan Mata
CF-Fernando Torres
RF-Hulk

I think this would be a pretty nasty sqaud.

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25 Nov 2010 01:10:33
Would aboslutley love it if we can somehow get alonso back ha but don't think real madrid would part with one of their best players. imagine this for a team
reina

G. johnson agger carragher insua/ aurelio

macherano

kuyt alonso babel

gerrard
torres

how didn't we win the league with this team still gets to me

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25 Nov 2010 00:41:33
Liverpool Rumours
Just seen that cheeky b* tard Hodgson on the Independent website, in an article about which players they will let go to reduce the wage bill in Jan. He was criticising Pacheco's performance against Northampton, kind of a hint that he's going to let the lad go.
Never mind that he didn't bother to take enough experienced players in case he needed a few veterans like SG to turn the game in an emergency situation such as we got into.
It was Hogdson's bad strategy as much as the players that lost the game- its not even like he put out a team that had played together in those positions every week, either.
Hodgson has made lots of absolutely critical mistakes that have led to games being lost, and he picks on Pacheco and bins him based on one poor showing in poor team. If there was any justice Roy would get the same standard of judgement, and the same sentence he's giving Pacheco.
The lad hasnt had enough first team playing time for Roy to know how good he is, surely?

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25 Nov 2010 00:26:14
Liverpool Rumours
Roy H to remain at lfc till summer but not beyond. Big name manager to come in and rebuild. Then and only then will real transfer activity begin as henry etc don't fully trust woy to spend wisely in jan and they don't want to have c cole type players at the club come next summer. Wouldnt expect more than 2 signing in jan. Possibly honda and a striker.

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25 Nov 2010 00:02:59
Liverpool Rumours
Re: The Nico Kranjcar rumours - I actually think if we were to go for him in January, as long as we got him for no more than £4 Million (Harry paid £1-2 Million) This could be a cracking piece of business. (Age 26)

I have to admit I've never taken much notice of him before but I've just been checking out the Youtube vids (I know, I know :o) and the boy's got mad skills and, erm, "unbelievable tekkers" (as I believe the kids say!)

I know Spurs fans rate him very highly, and the only reason he isn't playing is because of the phenomenom that is Gareth Bale.

He would come to us with a point to prove, and as long as he was accompanied by a shiny new Honda I would be more than happy to have him in the squad. I genuinely think he could become a cult figure at Anfield.

Not sure if I'm allowed to post YouTube links Ed?) But check out "Niko Kranjcar - Showboat" on there. (Not my video)

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24 Nov 2010 23:51:09
Liverpool Rumours
I believe that the regular poster "1977" is either a family member or friend of Roy Hodgson's, or even Roy Hodgson himself - no one else could find so many positive things to say about what he is doing at Liverpool this season. Just a thought - it could also be Poulsen - LIVERPRES

{Editor's Note: Busted!}

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24 Nov 2010 23:13:56
Liverpool Rumours
Re marin; its on here because it was posted about joining lfc, but we have utter stupid posts about regarding players joining? if we look back theres about 40 to 50 odd players joining lets be realistic shall we? no world class players will join and that's a fact, we will get an international player and a couple of prem league qt players but world class then no! marin looks as though he will become wc but hes going to dortmund

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