Liverpool Banter Archive November 25 2012

 

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25 Nov 2012 22:54:43
Hello reds, another "steady" performance today and to be honest, I'd take a point against spurs as well next week and then some wins against some of our lower league compadres.

I think today pretty much highlighted a few points and want to know your feedback on them.
First, Gerrard can't be relied on to do everything and I think some of us don't seem to realise he's 32 and simply can't bomb into the box now every 3 minutes.
Second, Allen will be thankful when Lucas comes and he can push further on, the defensive midfield role doesn't suit him.
Third, and a blind man could tell you this, where is our other poacher/striker/goalscorer? Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy with Suarez banging in goals but he needs some help so whoever BR brings will be a welcome improvement.
Finally, we'd all love to win every game but 8 unbeaten is not something to turn your nose at, a result against spurs (and I'm happy with a draw) and some more points on the board and hopefully when we strengthen in January well be in a good position near the top 5.

mozzilfc


Where were coming from it's good to put an unbeaten run together to increase confidence but really in a 3 points for the win league it pays to go for it and have the odd defeat. 7 wins and 3 defeats is better than 4 wins and 6 draws unbeaten over a 10 game period.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 22:34:48
I guess Gerrard only gets picked for England because of his name also Mighty Reds?

Allen and Co could not lace Gerrards boots and im talking about the present Gerrard not from 4/5 years ago. But hey what do i know, all you Bredan Rodgers lovers must be saying he is wrong also. Strange!

The Irish Rover


I respect what Gerrard as done for the club. But I think its time we moved on from him. He just seems as he can't be dropped. Shelvey is a far more effective player at the moment and deserves to start in front of him. Also Waro you say that I am not a true red I go about 8 or 9 times a season. So I am allowed an opinion as I put my money in the club.

Mighty reds


25 Nov 2012 22:58:29
Not that I agree with the Gerrard bashing, being picked by Roy Hodgson isn't necessarily proof that you're any good.

- Something Red -


You are the biggest moaner on here. You were crying your eyes out yesterday as well over Harry Redknapp. Grow up. If someone has a different opinion than you, no need to spit your dummy out.


Hodgson being the last in a line of England managers to pick him of course.

The Irish Rover


26 Nov 2012 00:07:09
gerrard is 32 and shouldnt starttwo games ina week in order to keep him fresh for every weekend game

he s still our best attacking option in midfield and used wisely he ll always be fresh and up for it

also he looks depressed and pissed off by the state of things

also he needs to be playing off suarez not in the deeper position we have become accustomedto seeing him. gerrard is best as an attacking threat ,rafa could see this,and even now even at 32 he s still our best attacking midfielder

joe allen needs a rest too,i wont use the term dropped, but he needs a rest

tom1975


That's a bit of the problem I have with Gerrard as the captain. He just seems more pissed off than not these days and it's hard to lead if you're in a mood all the time. Would love to see a tad more enthusiasm from the team as a whole honestly.


Gerrard does not look fit but i would be depressed if i had to deal with br and his boring tactics and strange ideas of playing men out of position and is br picking the team has he been told to play the players kk bought.


Un named poster! Thats because im right in both occasions. Harry didnt bankrupt Portsmouth,Southampton or Spurs and managers still see Gerrard as an automatic selection still. I will stick with the facts and you can spout the nonsense.

The Irish Rover


 

 

25 Nov 2012 22:22:37
Right i havn`t wrote on this page for a few months now But i feel i have to put a few of my own feelings across about are beloved team.
I was happy when we got Brendan Rodgers in the summer as i thought we needed a change of style and a totally new look at things , ie playing wise.
I`ve seen every game we have played this season and the same thing always comes to me.
Everytime we play it`s just like watching a 5 a side game in slow motion. It`s all very well passing the ball around but all we seem to do is pass back sideways and then give the ball away. Then we get it back and do it over and over again.
Ok we know we have only 1 striker but i feel this is just an excuse now for rodgers. He needs to get players more forward to support suarez. The midfield just seem to all stop and wait for the ball to come to them and then they don`t know what to do with it cause of the lack of players wanting the ball to move forward.
i think the teams that play us now love it cause they just let us pass in our own half and then pick us off very easy.
I could go on but i think i`ve made a few valid point there.
What do others think?

Andy Kophead.


I think your spot on Andy but we are only 13 games into BR reign so I think the cohesive passing will take time. I also think we're short of a true attacking midfielder (a la a Cazorla, Isco, Honda who drives and attacks) plus the obvious striker situation.


Completely agree with the above poster, even with another striker I don't think it would make much difference. We had Carroll for a while BR either didn't use him or he was inaffective, we had Borrini before he got injured and we have young strikers in the reserves but BR dosen't use them
I think BR only wants 1 striker with this Tikka Takka football, it may work for Barcelona but it wont work in the Prem

Bobbinred


HMMMM

yes its retty passing forthe sake of passing without any penetration, i amhoping that as the side gets more proficient at passing for thesake of passingand get more comfortable on the ball they will becomemore daring with it

on the otherside of the argument is that swansea were like this last year. however i m hoping their lack of cutting edge was down to their inferior players.

i hope dortmund is the role model. sharp incisive passing at pace on the edge of the opposition box. this is where we need to get to, but is it a case of cant run before you can walk

i dunno, time will tell

for me rodgers has until the end of the season. he has excuses at the moment , the owners ****ed him in january, but when they splash somecash in january he ll have no more excuses, there should be vast improvement in the tableand results comefebruary and march and april or brendan could be findinghimself out ofa job


tom1975


I would love to see us play like Dortmund, but I can't see it happening. Our players just look, well, lazy. Often times we have very little movement. I don't know if it's fitness or what, but bar a few (Suarez and Enrique come to mind) the rest look like they could use some time on the treadmill working to build up endurance as they spend almost as much time walking as running, something you don't really see in a side like Dortmund who are everywhere for 90 minutes. This has been a problem for a few seasons now, I think.


I agree, too much passing back and sideways, too slow as well, the opposition can amble up behind us and get the ball. Stevie looks fed up and I can't say I blame him. Suarez will get fed up with this and look elsewhere if this carries on and who could blame him. Everyone had a problem with Torres when he left but lets be honest things have not improved since the man went. He said that we needed 5 or 6 quality players. Since then we have not got 5-or 6 quality players and have lost any who had an ability to score. Brendan Rodgers needs to stop looking for the positives and tell them they were crap. Not good enough.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 22:18:34
People talking a how poor g played..sud he be captain


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:58:41
Rodgers has to be really smart in january and I mean smart..we don't need more english players I feel we have had enough of them..I would be disappointed if we buy any of them..the spanish and dutch markets are far better places to get cheap good playersm.why the hell would rodgers still want sturridge or ince...rodgers really needs a director of football,to be in charge of transfers cos I don't feel he is that prudent to look at quality players..he still has that small club mentality..that's why he wasted good money on borini and allen


I agree he could get himself a "Smart" new hair cut and if he gets himself down to Liverpool One shopping centre in the January sales I'm sure he could get himself a "Smart" new wardrobe at a fraction of the original purchase price.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:19:51
Quick question to everyone, but think about it before you answer/reply.

If say Mourinhno came in for Gerrard in January and offered say 12 -15 million for him, would you take it?

I do like Stevie but I don't think he fits the system we play now. I'm not just reacting to today's performance when I say this.

At 31 I would still not mind him being there by any means. I just thought with the current form, and his talking up of Mourinho earlier this year. Would this be the move Gerrard would want?

Does anyone else think this is a possibility in January?

Jonesred.


Style of play is an issue 4 him a free roll 2 play the football he has done for the last 12 years br needs 2 mix his ideas up wen it's not going well simple Lfc fazak


Not January no.
I can't see stevie going anywhere now.
I would take anything over 15m tho. But only in the summer.

MIKEY


A big fat NO he is liverpool through and through if Stevie left it would be like having a heart transplant it works but hasn't got that steel ,love ,passion .even if Stevie stop playing today I would still want him in the changing room and pitch side every game.


No: Gerrard will go to right back and be Liverpool's Maldini as he still has pace for that position can tackle is good in the air and can make 1st class deliveries from the right and is an inspirational captain. He could play that position for at least the next 5 yrs and it's already been mooted by Rodgers that he will eventually drop further back? How quickly that happens depends on Suso and Shelvey's development. Plus I have a real good bet at the bookies that Gerrard will get a Premier League winners medal at Liverpool before he retires.
kidmillions


I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea bids £50m for Gerrard this January, then buys Kuyt, then Alonso, then Riera, then Mascherano, then brings in Paco Ayesteran, and then buys Torres a blonde wig of his old hair... anything to get him scoring again as he's useless now! RC


I've always felt that we needed an attacking midfielder like Gerrard in his prime, closest I think we could get is Keisuke Honda but I'd doubt we'd get him


Chelsea wont buy Alonso? Rafa prefers Gareth Barry.
kidmillions


And picking on Torres will help Liverpool how ..
Roy


I would snap mouriniho's hand off for £15 mill. he still is a very good player but i feel that the team plays with more balance without him more often than not. it seems that he really only plays well for the big games. madrid isnt exactley a step down either is it, if he wanted a chance at a la liga title then who would begrudge him that, i certainly wouldnt.
huddz red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:13:49
We are not as bad as people are letting on. The 11th position is a poor one, but I think most of us can see us moving up the table as the season progresses. My bet is 7th or 8th again this year, with reinforcement and improvement next year. While this is clearly not an improvement in the table compared with previous years, I think we need to think in the context of where the team is now and where it is going.

Last year the owners fronted a substantial amount of money to build a team that would immediately challenge for honours. A year later they have realized that this plan was not financially feasible, and they have decided to go back to basics. This means offloading the high-wage squad players, and building the youth squad. They ofcourse want to hold on to the nucleus of the team, and in doing so maintain the fans loyalty. If you ask John Henry when he thinks we will realistically challenge for the league title, I bet he would say in 5 or 10 years.

Financially responsible team is the goal. Only then can we compete with the big boys.

Coop


Not bad 11th spot, you must be joking, 11th spot may seem ok untill you look how far behind MU we are, thats the true measure of how we are doing, those posters who say we are only X amount of points behind 4th are not looking at the bigger picture. I have and always will support Liverpool and I never critisice the players or management but facts are facts.

Bobbinred


10 years fkkkkkk?!


Thing are pretty dire

3 wins in 13 games against relegation threatened opposition

there is hope and slight improvement

hope the owners will spend 30-40millionin januaryand sign some attackminded players to aid luis who is doing the gerrard roleand carrying onhis back so far this season. otherwise luis will be offcomesummer

tom1975


The owners aren't going to spend 30-40M, I don't think. More like 10M maybe plus whatever we can get from sales.

Considering the amount of money we've spent the last 5-6 windows, it's really pretty sad where we're at. As much as we've spent, we should handily be in the top 4 or 5. Pretty sure that's how the owners feel about it as well and I can't see them throwing more money into the pot (unless the club is running at a profit now, then maybe).


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:11:13
More signs of encouragement today. A lot more to Sterlings game than just 'pace'. The most positive thing is that we dont look like losing at the moment. I think we're flying under the radar and are actually positioned quite nicely in mid-table for an assault on the top 4 in the new year.


Positioned nicely in mid table? my god i thought i would never hear that. How standards have slipped.


Don't look like loosing, your having a laugh Swansea was as guilty as us for poor finishing, a top team playing 4 4 2 would have murdered us


Standards have not slipped. Have you scene the upcoming schedule? Average teams that we could get 3 points from each game. We could easily be 5-6th by the time the window opens. With reforcements, Lucas, and borini returning we could challenge the top if the table. Glass is half full.

-Red American


I get the point

but the owners will need to add goals to this side in january for that to happen.

regards sterling, he s a good little footballer, but too much is being asked of him

i m actually impressed with enrique in the outside left position, he is making runs into the box like a left sided attacker ought to. looks like he was born to play that position

well done enrique

tom1975


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:07:39
Gerrard looked very jaded today and was making poor decisions when in possession. Maybe it's time he only played one game a week. Other than that it was a clean sheet away from home. RED LENIN


Been saying this since the start of the season.

lethimstart one game a week , keep him fresh to get the best out of him when he does play

shelvey is a more than capable stand in

tom1975


 

 

25 Nov 2012 21:05:18
Best Liverpool XI I've seen in my lifetime
Gk Reina
Rb Johnson
Cb Carragher
Cb Agger
Lb Riise
Dm Alonso
Dm Lucas
Rw Suarz
Cam Gerrard
Lw Sterling
St Torres


Sterling? He's only played 10-15 games.

Jonesred


I'd have Hyypia in there, as well as Markus Babbel, Robbie Fowler, John Barnes & Peter Beardsley.


You can tell your a young fan.

Fowler, Hyypia, owen (wouldn't say that now since utd move), dudek, McManaman, Rush, Hamann and others......

FowlerGod.


Why no mention of the greatest player to wear the red shirt? kenny dagleish


25 Nov 2012 22:34:58
Clemence, Neal, Hyypia, Hansen, Beglin, Whelan, Souness, Barnes, McManaman, Gerrard, Fowler

- Something Red -


25 Nov 2012 22:57:49
How in the merry **** did I manage to forget Kenny?

I'm blaming all you guys for slating him over the last year. Made me forget he was once the best player ever to pu on the shirt.

- Something Red -


How old are you? Sterling? Lucas?


Mine would be

reina
finnan carra hansen riise
mcmahon
suarez gerrard dalgish barnes
rush

subs torres, beardsley, fowler, mcmanaman,


Pretty good but where's Souey?

ND


"Best Liverpool XI I've seen in my lifetime" just because the poster is young doesnt mean they can't have an opinion...


The Barnes, Beardsley, Dalglish side.


Grobbelaar
Nicol, Hansen, Hyypia, Riise
Souness
Mcmanaman Gerrard Barnes
Dalgish
Rush

Subs: Suarez, Fowler, Lawrenson
Reina, Beardsley, Sterling and Hamann

Absolute quality team/squad and if they are all between 24 and 28 years old we're winning the league every season


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:59:04
I have bitten my lip over the last 5 or 6 weeks and I can't do it anymore, the so called fans on here who are slating Gerrard are a total fu**in disgrace, he is obviously not the marauding box to box midfielder of 4/5 years ago, but that is because age will always catch up with every great player especially one who has carried the whole club on his back for most of his carrer. And even now when he's not at his peak he is STILL OUR BEST MIDFEILDER by a country mile. Some of you on here give unswerving support to no-marks who have been at the club for five minutes and done sweet f.a. and never will do/achieve anything Gerrard has done for Liverpool then tell people to go support City or Chelsea if they dare give even a tenth of the criticism Gerrard gets to one of your flavour of the month crabs who are not fit to be even mentioned in the same breath as Stevie. Well here it is right back at yers. If you can't get behind a Liverpool legend and give him your support F**K OFF AND WATCH CITY OR CHELSEA because your not true reds and never will be!!

Waro


Yeah but we do need to start thinking about the future he shouldnt automatically be 1st team selection NO ONE is bigger than the club

Saying that i thought he had a decent game today


25 Nov 2012 21:23:38
No player is bigger than the club. Time for Gerrard being used as a sub.


Well said Waro. I have supported Liverpool all my life, all 47 years and have been privileged to see many greats play for the Reds. Keegan, Souness, Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Fowler but no one has done more for the team I love than our talisman Stevie Gerrard. No he's not the box to box marauding midfield dynamo he once was but he's still a class act, unlike some of the numptey so called supporters on this site.

Norfolk Red


To be perfectly honest, none of our CMs have covered themselves in glory this season, including Gerrard. Whether or not he's the 'best' of a relativel poorly performing bunch is entirely debatable, but my criticism would be that on the occasions I recall seeing Gerrard not in the line up the others who come in seem to play better and take more responsibility.


Spot on mate. Gerrard is an absolute legend and continues to consistently perform every week. The reason he continues to play every week. Captain fantastic. Legend. Genius.
FowlerisGod


Very well said Waro ..

Roy


You do talk some nonsense Waro. Gerrard should be dropped. We cannot play players on sentiment all the time. If it was up to you we'd probably still have Kenny in charge. Our inability to move on from our 'history' has been one of the biggest problems with us.

Ash


Absolute brilliant post mate


Whether you like it or not waro Steven Gerrard is only in the Liverpool because of his name. He as been awful this season and people are allowed an opinion. He is slow, can't pick a pass, can't beat a man, struggling to head a ball, no goal threat anymore. Doesn't drive the side like a good captain should. Shelvey drives the side on more than Gerrard.

Mighty reds


I totally agree. Even now he is our only midfielder who can make things happen with his long range passing. I swear you lot are so obsessed with not giving the ball away its embarassing. I think hes earned the right to not get all this stick everytime he gives it away trying to make things happen.

Hounsred


Ash and mighty reds. as i said. not true reds and never will be!!

waro


Some of you on here make me sick, Not only is he still england captain but just got 100 caps. I suppose you numpties think english managers pick him out of sentiment. Take it from me he is picked on ability alone


When are players going to be picked on merit instead of reputation? Steven Gerrard - absolute legend but Shelvey has been more dynamic this season, has scored more and should be ahead of Gerrard in the pecking order until SG proves otherwise. No-one is moaning that Carra isn't getting much game so why is Gerrard untouchable. A spell on the bench peps up most players and gives them the clear message that they need to start performing at a higher standard.

cozinoz


I think stevie just needs a rest , but it goes to show how high of a level he played at for all these years , he is our best midfielder and because of the standard he has set in the years that have gone then when he does not play at his best he gets called , but 50% of stevie is still better than most midfielders in the prem , he played has played 2 games in 4 days , so he will be as tired as he looked as some one has said he does look jaded , its time he had a rest so he can come back a bit fresher

mickey b


Good to see you denouncing others support Waro. We can't possibly criticise a players performance if they've played over a certain amount of games for Liverpool.

How about we get Kenny back as manager, put Carragher at centre back and get Fowler back to solve our striker crisis.

They are legends after all...

Ash


I view players pragmatically and think that if they can't contribute then their position should be re assessed. He's been poor for quite a while, not just this year. Nobody is saying it's his fault but that doesn't change the fact it's time to give him a secondary role from the bench or start every other game now.

You can preach about people not being true reds if they disagree but all you're highlighting is that you're not Liverpool fans, you are gerrard fans. I want what's best for club, even if that means making unpopular decisions regarding high status players.

Nevada


Is this a criticism of Rodgers for not dropping Gerrard then?

The Irish Rover


Gerrard should be used sparingly and wisely to keep his legs fresh and keep him at his optimum devastating best

drop no, rest yes

still our best attacking midfielder

tom1975


Apparently we're not true reds because we disagree with waro's team selection? One of the problems of the past few seasons is that players such as Gerrard are not allowed to be criticised. Legend or not, he is no different from any other player and should be benched if he is under-performing. He shouldn't have special preferences despite being one of our best ever. No-one should. Every player is expendable if they don't cut it - just ask Carragher - and should be on the team purely on current merit not on previous years performances.
No point being sentimental, Waro, as it will be to the detriment of the club (and that would make YOU a poor supporter, right?)

cozinoz


Stevie should do a kk and become player manager br is not what we need


Also waro what evidence are you basing this on? What backs up your claim? Perhaps all the goals gerrard hasn't scored? For all his 'cutting edge' forward passing he doesn't assist many goals either. As a previous poster astutely mentioned, jonjo should be playing in his place based on facts. You can argue that Allen doesn't either and you'd be right, but that isn't Allen job, if Allen played in gerrard position then you could compare, but now you can't. You can compare with jonjo and the evidence doesn't back you up.

Nevada


When arguing a point? You always have to take into account you might be wrong?


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:50:54
Gerrard was very poor today ed001 do you think that Gerrard is always going to play whilst fit can you see Rodgers dropping him at all? {Ed001's Note - I thought he played better today myself, played some good through balls and created a fair bit. He will play while fit this season as we don't have much in the way of options even when Lucas is back.}
_________________________________________________

Mate the days are gone box to box midfields. Gerrard won't run like he used to coz in thise systeam it doesn't work. You just need to keep simple. The real problem is we don't have proper foward or winger to scare opposition and keep them back foot. Look at barca or Arsenal xavi neither arteta run like crazy they just keep simple and every thing does mesi or iniest in Arsenal wallcot or alex chamberlian.


25 Nov 2012 22:52:43
I think it's high time the Stevie G centre midfield myth is dispelled.

You look at most our worst runs of form since Gerrard made his debut, he's been in the middle of midfield. In the treble season, Houllier played him on the right of a narrow four man midfield more often than not (Hamann, Murphy & McAllister would play in the middle). One of the few games he did play in the middle was the FA Cup final, where, by his own admission, he was played off the park by Vieira. Was much, much better in the UEFA final, from right midfield with McAllister & Hamann running the middle. He played in the middle when were finishing 5th and not winning things. In the latter of half of Houllier's last season when he started playing like one of the best players in the PL was probably the only exception to the rule (and even then, whilst Stevie was good, the team wasn't). Although he did play on the left a few times in that run too.

1st half of the '05 CL final where we were overrun in midfield? He was in the middle. Started the 2nd half (when he was brilliant) as an attacking midfielder and finished at right back. No wonder Rafa did everything he could to avoid playing him as a central midfield. He could see it. Stevie is not a top class central midfielder. He's got all the basic attributes, passing, work rate, tackling, but he's just too impatient. Gets forward too early & leaves gaps and tries Hollywood balls when they're not on (only worse player I've seen for doing that is Charlie Adam).

05-06? 23 goals, nearly all from right midfield. Repeats the trick playing of Torres a couple of seasons later.

Hodgson comes along Stevie's back in the middle. We're 12th at Christmas. During our best run under Kenny, he wasn't even playing because he was injured. Most of the rest of Kenny's reign, he's in the middle (actually against Everton was one of the few games where he was let off the leash. Result? Hat trick)

This is not intented to be a criticism of Gerrard. He isn't a bad player. Actually, he's a brilliant one - in the right place. No one would expect Messi to be outstanding at left back, would they? He was, and still can be, world class if he's let off the leash in the top third, either from behind the striker or the right. Hopefully, when Lucas is back he'll be pushed up.

- Something Red -


Your all forgetting one thing SG is working within BR's system and is probably doing what he is told

Bobbinred


Br has a system well thanks for telling me please tell him his system stinks its only good if you want one point a game.


You can tell by his (Gerrard's) body language he is not happy and is being told to play in a position he does not agree with and certainly is not the most effective.


Never seen a LFC player give the ball away so much as Steven Gerrard!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:45:26
I watched the game today and I have to say it was very disjointed, midfield kept giving the ball away...so frustrating. The football is pretty at times but we need to start last 3rd pressuring...when any of their back 8 had the ball it was only suarez chasing them down...Hendo, Downing and Allen (when Lucas returns) should be dropped and Suso, Assaidi in...Gerrard as a second striker with suarez (or why not Yesil, Morgan or Ngoo)...fluidity and chances is what we need, the defence is ok tbh.

Neilos


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:36:05
For me we need at least one more goalscorer preferably two and I also think we need some real steel in centre mid to allow the ball players to play.
For a good 4-3-3 to work you need 3 goalscoring forwards, not one goalscorer and two wingers and the midfield three must be anchored by a real ball winner. Here's hoping Lucas can be that


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:31:08
Hi Eds.another frustrating draw tday spurs ön weds a must win in my opionon also think perhaps downing and hendo in shop window tday cant see em fetching much ön their displays what u guys reckon


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:23:54
Liverpool fans I've never seen a reaction to a manager like this for along long time. In your honest opinion were do you honestly think you should be in the league? In my opinion man utd, man city,chelsea ,spurs,arsenal,Everton, Newcastle all have better first 11 players and are stronger than Liverpool at this time. Which manager do you think would do better with the same resources and young players he's had to play excluding RAFA. I think Dalglish did a steady job but signed some very ordinary players for crazy money. Liverpool are still a massive club but for now are a mid table team looking at your squad and your last 3 finishes of 8th,8th and 7th.


25 Nov 2012 20:37:56
Never seen this before? We were much more anti-Hodgson than we are currently anti-Rodgers. Hell, Kenny was probably getting more stick at the end of last season than Rodgers is now. And we've all seen other managers been turned on far more than this at various clubs.

Opinion on Rodgers is about 50/50 judging from the internet. The fans who actually attend Anfield (not inlcuding me, btw, haven't got the time or the money to make the trip) seem to be more in favour him. No major booing or holding up little laminated cards with "Rodgers out" on them.

My view remains that I didn't want Kenny sacked because I thought it was too early for it. So it would definitely be too early to sack Rodgers now.

- Something Red -


I'd agree on all except Everton and Newcastle - best 11 about the same overall - Liverpool maybe less experienced with some of the younger players - taske Baiens and Fellani and Everton are an Average team same as takign away Suarez and Gerrard.


I think our first 11 is surprisingly strong, its the squad that lets us down
The two center backs are up there with the best in the league as a pairing.
Glen Johnson has been world class this season.
Gerrard and Lucas (when fit) would get in most teams first 11.
Suarez has been untouchable this season and there isn't a team out there who wouldnt want Sterling in their team due to the way he has been playing and his potential.
If we spend wisely in the next two transfer windows top 6/ top 4 is a realistic target.

Jay


Steve Clarke ,Harry rednapp, Martin jol ,Sven erikkson ,mick laudrup, AVB .do you want more .


Hate to say it, Jay, but that was practically our first 11 out there today. And Swansea were as good if not better.

cozinoz


How were Swansea better when we had 9 shots on target to their 2, had a goal disallowed and hit the bar?

Jay


Stats don't mean everything. I watched the game, mate - Swansea looked better in possession, more fluid when passing, had a few chances too. A draw was probably fair but our first 11 should be doing better than that.

cozinoz


I watched the game too mate and compared to last seasons fixture when we couldnt get a touch of the ball I thought we played quite well, the big concern for me is missing Lucas. He is the only one in our team who can put a tackle in and the sooner he is back the better, just hope we dont rush him.
Should see more of Allen as well when he isnt sitting so deep.

Jay


Agree, Jay, I think Lucas will be as welcome as any January signing

cozinoz


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:18:25
We are aiming to play like barcelona and i am watching it just now amd there is 1 clear difference in styles there centre halfs push much further up the field almost mid way line defend from front. We are like a poor mans barca bremdan has to push centre backs up and risk losing goals because the way it is at the moment we are playing far too deep for the style to work


We need to press alot more when we dont have the ball if we want to emulate barca


I was going to say the exact same thing!

Hounsred


Never mind Barca at the moment we're a poor mans Swansea.


We do need to be higher up the pitch. back in the day Clemence and then Grobbelar were always on the edge of their Area to sweep any through or over the top balls away. Our forwards are working their socks off pressing the ball to win possesion back with huge spaces behind them. We should condense the play as they used to say.
kidmillions


I d rather hope that dortmund is the role model,not barcelona

barcelona buy top playersfor top dollar

dortmundhave grown their own, have a smaller budget more comparable to ours. they play a clinical incisive passing game with lots of pace.

not far off the best side in europe atthe moment

tom1975


Barcelona still produce a large number of quality players every year that they loan out or sell. They are involved in big money transfer as well, to fill perceived gaps. Both Barca and Dortmund are based off the Ajax structure. So we are all impersonating them really, as are Arsenal.

Andy K


To play like Barcelona you need players like Barcelona.

How many of our players are really comfortable on the ball, in tight spaces with a couple of opposition players around them?

Sterling and Suarez.
Against Messi, Pedro, Xavi, Alves, Fabregas.
Their worst player is Busquets..
A team has to play to fit the players it has and there's no point trying to emulate another team's style if you haven't go the resources to do it.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 20:14:35
Having watched today's game I still see positives and will continue to back BR. The team is beginning to take shape and I for one am hopeful of continued progress.
We are solid at the back (when Downing is not playing) Pepe is back to his best, we have the best CB partnership in EPL and in Johnson and Wisdom to quality fullbacks.
Midfield is slightly more of a problem which can only improve with the return of Lucas as Allen cannot perform that role as his poor tackling around the box could easily have cost us today. I do feel BR could sometimes show bottle and withdraw Stevie as again today I felt we were crying out for Jonjo's energy earlier and I felt Henderson did ok today.
I also feel that we might be getting near the time we give Raheem a little break as I feel it's showing in his play and decision making that he might be tired. I'm liking Enrique in his advanced role and Suarez is magic although today wasn't one of his best games.
I feel in January we only need a striker and maybe an attacking midfielder and we won't be far from the top 4/5 in the league.
All in all I feel we are making progress and will continue to back Brendan as we are definitely going in the right direction.


Great post mate, thought Henderson had a good game but agree about Gerrard, thought he was poor today and it would have been a real statement to substitute him.
Wish BR would have more faith in Assaidi, thought he could have at least been on the bench today because Sterling will need to be rested soon and Downing doesnt deserve his place.
Allen has been poor the last few games and teams are getting at our back 4 too easily, Lucas will tighten that up coz we miss his tackling.

Jay


Giving away free kicks around the box used to be one of the criticisms of Lucas? Before he got to be brilliant in the position. It's a hard position to play and Allen to his credit is giving it a good go.
kidmillions


The reason allen has been poor recently is because when he has the ball NOBODY moves into space for him to pass to,so he has to hold the ball longer or try to pass it to a player who has'nt moved into open space. The name of the game is pass and move not pass and stand still


J0e allen isntstrong enough physically ormentally to anchor the midfield on his own

i m struggling to see where he fits in when everyone is fit. squad player maybe

tom1975


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:56:52
former rangers striker expected to join us from fc sion in january. very good source. you heard anything ed?


Ally mccoist


Kyle lafferty


Sweet jesus no. we arent that desperate for lafferty. oure rubbish!


26 Nov 2012 00:59:40
Kyle Lafferty diving to get Charlie Mulgrew sent off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iUDg6JEo0

we don't need that!

Tir eoghain {Ed007's Note - LMFAO!!! Kylie Laugherty is about as much use as a lawnmower on a yacht!!!}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:53:26
From the Liverpool site!

"Brendan Rodgers believes Liverpool's performance in the goalless draw with Swansea was an illustration of the progress that has been made since the Reds were defeated on the same pitch in May."

Okay. Quiet literally he's right. It's an improvement on last seasons results against them.

BUT, Is he implying that he's doing a better job than Kenny was doing at this time last year?

This comment tells me he's content with how "Well" he's managing the club.

It's a joke.

And this from the same article ""Our performance level is continually improving. We're just chipping away at climbing up the league, and we'll do that."

Yep, 1 point at a time Brendan.

Our performances this season have been nothing short of unimaginative sidewards, backwards, sidwards crap and that's the truth!

StrabaneRed


You are talking utter garbage, and that's the truth


So you agree and disagree with Brendan at the same time? Even if we won you would still moan it wasn't by 8 clear goals.

MIKEY


I told ye all Tiki Taki football or whatever the hell ya call it would not work


It works for Barcelona and spain but then what type of football would not work for either of these sides?


Mutley


Ye because 'unimaginative, sidewards, backwards, sidewards crap' as you say doesnt allow you to score 2 against city, 2 against everton, 5 against norwich, 3 against wigan and draw with chelsea away.
Some people must see a different game to everyone else.

Jay


Disagree wholeheartedly. Brendan took a job where he knew that the club were cutting corners and unloading high wage players. He took on a job where he knew that the rebuild was going to take 3 - 5 years. He has been quite honest in his interviews, and is under a ridiculous amount of pressure.


*3 against everton


Check the record books


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:50:54
we played not to lose today.
BR must have a understanding with fsg,him paving cole on the bench downing henderson starting tells me that they need to play in order to be sold in january.
assaidi did not even make the bench.
fsg have decided that this year is to bring the wage bill down and spend it on younger players with more value
in january it will be hard to get good players they will be availible but will cost too much.
i see problems ahead if we do not make top 4 suarez will leave.
gerrard has lost the will to fight we need more that just 2 strikers.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:38:25
Played ok today not to bad of a result ok we are liverpool and should be beating such opponents, but we dont seem to far away from tipping our way back to a top side

Andy the red


I'll agree - if we walked away with 3 pts today Swansea could not have complained. We did well as that is one of the hardest places to go in the league! Ask all the other top teams!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:37:01
Hi guys/gals/eds, after todays performance we have to face facts,allan is is not strong enough and I will be happy to see lucas return,gerrard is past his best he never really recovered from his injury from last season,henderson is ok coming off the bench,what we need is a alonso type (which is not easy to find)to push the ball through to a new forward and suarez to put the ball in the onion bag,the sad fact is that most of the teams above us are not that good.(godin)


Allen will be that player once Lucas is back.

MIKEY


Allen is a young lad also plus he's won the ball back more than any player this season 14 times in today's match. He hasn't been at his best in recent matches though but his young and still learning


25 Nov 2012 22:55:37
Won the ball 14 times in today's match?

Sorry, I'm a big man for stats, but I do not believe for one second that is true. Considering I don't think he tackled anyone without fouling them, they'd all have to have been interceptions, and whilst he made a few, he didn't make 14.

- Something Red -


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:36:44
What I learned today more than ever is that pace is an absolute killer in the Premier League. Look at how much space Sterling had to work with today and how useful he was on the counter attack (bar the awful pass to Suarez).

For this reason alone I hope we are looking at players such as Walcott, Aubameyang etc.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:27:13
Gerrard was very poor today ed001 do you think that Gerrard is always going to play whilst fit can you see Rodgers dropping him at all? {Ed001's Note - I thought he played better today myself, played some good through balls and created a fair bit. He will play while fit this season as we don't have much in the way of options even when Lucas is back.}


Was at the game today and Gerrard was by far our best midfielder, however he has to play deeper as Lucas is out and the others cannot be trusted. He played as well as he could from a deep position.

Evered


25 Nov 2012 20:41:33
He made mistakes Gerrard, but at least he'll do something positive a few times a game.

Sahin & Allen of late though have made mistakes and not really had too much good to compensate.

If Lucas comes back in or around his best he'll improve the lot though. They'll have more freedom to play. And crucially, and this is something people always miss, as well as his tackling, Lucas nearly always plays the ball forward. Only short passes, but nearly always forward. So if the likes of Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey and Sahin are pushing on a bit more, Lucas will be able to give it to them after taking it from the centre halves.

Who'd have thought we'd be relying on him to come back and be our midfield general a few years back?

- Something Red -


Totally agree Something red. Lucas has a better range of passing. Maybe Allen has it too but is yet to show us.

The Irish Rover


 

 

24 Nov 2012 23:09:19
Question for ed001 if possible,

The Italy national medical team said borini was injured when he turned up for national duty, any idea how long he was carrying this injury?

Thanks ed

Nevada {Ed001's Note - I can't remember exactly but it was believed to have been an issue for a while. I doubt he would have been playing if we weren't short of strikers. It has meant the kids getting a go though.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:29:34
BR seems to be changing our formation around quite a lot recently, do you think we might go for something different now eds? or do you think we will be sticking to the 4-3-3?


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:28:18
Since we were beaten at home by the mancs we've gone 8 games unbeaten.

Its 14 points from a possible 24. Although I'm not over the moon with that I can definitely see the progress (even if its reeeaaallllyyy slow).

I still think the disappointments were the home draws to Newcastle & Stoke.

Apart from that, cant argue really considering we were are as a club.

IncaMan


I'd also take 15 points from the next 21 until the transfer window opens!!

IncaMan


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:26:46
Gerrard is certainly off the pace/off form lately. 1 i think he needs to pack england in - whatever he thinks he can win its never going to happen. 2 we need lucas back asap - maybe its rodgers maybe its gerrard but he seems almost scared to 'go for it' anymore, its like a clean sheet is better than a goal attitude. I dont see why hes not given a shot in behind suarez (like he did with el transvestido) and let jonjo play the deeper role. Gerrard will always be able to find a yard and split a defence. maybe wishful thinking maybe rubbish but someone needs to change what he's doing


Totally agree.. you wonder why rodgers doesn't tell him to start taking more responsibilty in his shooting/goalscoring?.. He looks bored more than anything.. He needs to be played in the same way he was under Benitez..i know that was a few years ago, but the last time he played up there was his hat-rick against Everton last season.. thats his best position surely?


Does look uninspired and bored


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:24:58
Over the last few weeks it has certainly being getting worse but in truth it always existed on the site

Leaving a name singles you out for attack

Sour Puss


Depends what name you leave.
Irish rover seems to just disagree and try and slag me off at every opportunity.
I don't read most of the stuff from nameless posts.

MIKEY


Point me in the direction of 1 post of me slagging you off Mikey.

The Irish Rover


Oops sorry Irish was meant to say "someone who remains anonymous" but typed your name by mistake, wasnt paying attention. Was just reading one of your posts I think.

MIKEY


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:22:39
Most of you slating gerrard are really crazy..he was the only midfielder making attacking moves..his crosses are really good,but yet you focus on his defending and his misplaced passes... Did rodgers buy allen for 15m to just be passing the ball around in the center..without contributing nothing in attack..for me if after 20 games we aren't in the top half of the table..then rodgers position as manager should be evaluated..it was a fair result though but we needed the win,cos spurs would obviously win us,I would gladly take a draw..our players never get into the box,,it was so frustrating any time we were attacking swansea you see 7 white shirts and 3 red shirts...WTF


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:21:39
To all the rafa fans , he is at chelsea now , and we will see how he goes when he has mega money to spend , because i for one thinks that rafa had money to spend while he was at liverpool thats how he was able to buy players , its only rafa who says he never had enough money , so now he is at a club that gives the manager the money to spend on players , i think chelski already has very good players , like matta and hazzard , they only need another striker like us , but if it goes pear shape then rafa will blame the owner with his usual shout , " I WAS NOT GIVEN THE MONEY TO SPEND ON 40 PLAYERS " , chelski are 4th in the prem and its not even december so lets see where chelski finish and if its outside the top 4 then i hope the rafa fans will stop the rafa mantra for liverpool , let rafa nad us move on

mickey b
JFT96


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:19:13
ED's i seen a lot written about Wilfried Bony, so i thought id do a little search on him. And i found a piece that said he came to Liverpool back in 2007 for a trial, if that is correct who was the person to let him slip through our fingers. Si {Ed002's Note - Try the search function - nobody is interested in assigning blame.}


Bony got the winner at PSV today ......


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:15:41
I have been saying gerrard is the weak link in our team all season and I have been slated for it.
Is there anyone who still thinks he's an automatic starter?

MIKEY


There is also many more beside gerrard .


Yes i do

KUMBER


Roy Hodgson and Brendan to name a few.

The Irish Rover


Only if he is played just behind Suarez


Our best midfielder by far today


Aren't you a clever boy then


I love Gerrard but have to agree, he is a touch off the pace, its as if we have halted his game and he is suffering for it. Take the shackles off him and let him do what he does best.


Gerrard is not weak, though he was today and is more regularly now than 3 -4 years ago when he was routinely fantastic. He is not the man for us going forward (I mean to progress in the league over coming seasons), and Brendan knows this. However, he hasn't exactly got a bag full of superstars in his pocket, and nobody else in the squad has Stevie's vision on the pitch. I am sure he will be slowly phased out over next two seasons.


Desperately need to replace Stevie with younger version.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:14:27
Ed002, i am interested to hear your view on the situation with BR. If we finish around 8th, go out of the europa league and don't show much sign on improvement. Do you think there is any chance the board will part with him in the summer? i am not saying i think he should go now, but i do think we need to stop acting like a mid table team when in actual fact we are not that far off being a top 4+ standard team {Ed002's Note - I think he would carry on in that case.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:05:13
I think it will be very interesting to see what team BR puts out against Spurs. By both form and fitness, Gerrard should not be in the starting 11 but I suspect he will be anyway. Agree/disagree?


You are singling out Gerrard like lots of others because in the past he was our saviour

Now he can no longer play that role and BR does not play Gerrard behind the striker anyway so theres no chance of seeing the old Gerrard

In Truth Gerrard is no worse than any other player on the pitch and a damm sight better than most in a red shirt.

Downing today hardly covered himself in glory yet more complain on here about Gerrard that just backs up what I am saying.

Directing your frustration at Gerrard is understandable but it will not fix the problem as the problem with LFC lies fundamentally deeper.

Grape Ape


25 Nov 2012 19:36:34
It's easy to say "Gerrard shouldn't be in the team", but who should? Especially if Lucas isn't back.

People want Allen dropped too and Sahin's not been any better than Gerrard. Midfield of Suso, Shelvey and Henderson then? That'll make people happy I'm sure.

- Something Red -


Why doesn't he play Gerrard behind the Striker? I can't get my head round it


BR uses Gerrard to protect the back 4

As our defence record since Steve Clarke departed with Kenny has been poor.

Grape Ape


OP here- wasn't really slagging off Gerrard per se, but I do think it's pretty apparent GE can't play more than once a week and still be effective.

So who plays Wednesday? A tired Gerrard or, as was mentioned above, something like Sahin, Suso, and Henderson? Personally it just seems to me that our midfield needs a tweaking. Gerrard + Allen just doesn't seem to work real well. For me, even though technically our strongest position by numbers would be CM, the ones we have just aren't really clicking and something needs to change.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 19:00:48
I know the whole team gave the ball away far too easily today but Joe Allen was by far the worst culprit.

Very concerning that if he's supposed to be the heart of our team, the man that keeps everything ticking that when the heat is on he gives away the ball that much and several freekicks on the edge of our area.

Imagine (and i don't know how the hell this is gonna happen) us playing away in the Champions League. Somewhere like the San Siro, that's pressure. Allen would fold on todays showing


Give the kid a break, his missus just had a baby, sleepless nights etc....


Allen is not a defensive midfielder. Judge him when Lucas is back. We have no other midfielders in our team capable of covering for Lucas. Shelvey is to rash, Gerrard doesn't have the legs anymore, Sahin and Henderson wont cope covering for our defence either so that leaves us with Allen. Once Lucas is back then Allen will have the opportunity to show us why Rodgers brought him to Anfield.

If anyone ever watched Allen playing for Swansea then they should know that Rodgers did not sign him to cover for our defence. If anyone never saw Allen playing for Swansea then they should rather not comment.

Red4Life


His mrs just had a baby?! And what?! That's ridiculous. If his private life affects his performances that much he should be dropped and clearly wouldn't be cut out for this as a career! He's just overrated mate. A tidy player against crappier sides but away at his old side, pressure on, he buckled. Worrying


His mrs just had a baby? And he gets paid thousands of pounds a day - he should be able to cope!

cozinoz


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:55:20
Will be Benitez be dealing with the sales of players at Chelsea? just wondering seeing as he might give us a lower price than maybe Di Matteo would of for certain players. It's unlikely he will. But at least I know he won't screw us over with money.
(Really Don't want Sturridge anyway or Ince) I'd much prefer someone like Bent, who just actually knows how to put the ball in the net. {Ed002's Note - You are being extremely naive if you think that is how transfers work at any club.}


Rafa will give us a nod and a wink and we can dismantle the Chelsea team and cherry pick the players we want, sure he's going in six months anyway!

Good man Rafa

Frank Spencer


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:48:19
Have slated the performance today and I stand by that.

In Aug this year I watched LFC v FC Gomel at Anfield in a bar in Spain and I know there not the best team out there,however that night we played the best football I have seen in the last 20 years.

We played high tempo 2-3 touch football all night,closed down as soon as they got the ball,created loads of chances and the movement off the ball was superb and we also played high up the pitch and dominated the game.

Since that night we have no were near played in anyway shape or form like that,in fact we have gone backwards to the same old days of passing sideways and backwards,not closing down,no movement off the ball,no 2-3 touch football,and no or very little creativity,so what's changed?

alan50


Lucas, Borini, these two players are the only difference and they will be back soon to hopefully change the dynamics and movement of the team.

Red1


Lfc fazak post this plse edz {Ed002's Note - Write it in English and we will.}


We cancelled each other out playing similar football, a point away from home is not bad. That's 8 games without defeat. That team beat us twice in the League last season.

Many Europa League qualifying stage opponents are so much worse than Premier League opponents, who are in good form. F.C Gomel is one of them.

'Who are Swansea?'
It's easy to think that when Gerrard and Carra were lifting the Champions League in 05 that Swansea F.C had just got promoted to the 3rd division by finishing 3rd in the 4th division, and had just won the FAW Premier Cup. But credit is due to the club, they've had a meteoric rise to the Premier League and look well set to stay for many years.


A point away from home is not bad,
your havin a laugh draws are like
defeats mate................

auntie annie.........


Actually draws are not like defeats, because you get a point for a draw and nothing for a defeat. Just wanted to clear that up for you

LeighT


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:46:25
Johnson should have scored 1 on 1 and with those headers from the corner. Enrique off side goal was marginal and Steeling hit cross bar. Could have been 5-0 instead. 8 games undefeated. I'll take a point against spuds and then 4 straight wins against poorer opposition.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:45:22
Gerrard is past it! im fed up with his lazy performances!


I agree that Gerrard is passed his best but The fact that his legs aren't as quick any more doesn't instantly make his performance Lazy!

The guy has carried our football club for years has had many chances to leave but has stuck with the club through thick and thin. One thing you can always say about Stevie is, is that he gives 100% like I said, its not his fault he's lost a yard of pace.


His perfmances aren't lazy he is performing a job asked to him by Brendan Rodgers which is to sit more. Sorry that he isn't bursting into the box like he is 24 again. He is 32. When Lucas returns expect to see Gerrard move further up the pitch supporting Suarez


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:44:14
Eds fellow reds ,lets ask the obvious question . Rather than slate fans opinions .All the fans that thing BR is doing such a good job.please list what he done to improve the team / club since he's come in


Beat Wigan, drew against Swansea - who both beat us last season.


The only positive things I can say is he's given some of the youngsters a chance.

Got (Temporarily) got rid of Carroll (Which is Ironic, cause we need a fowards).

Other than that nothing for me.

Mary Hinges


Got a point off of Swansea, we didn't do that last season. That's me naming ''just one thing.'' ;)

As a Bonus 'thing', he's also got Suarez scoring regularly and is blooding youngsters, incorporating players from the academy which will bode great for the future and has a slight to slim chance of making other young players around the Country look at Liverpool as a positive place for youngsters to get game time, if they are good enough.


Brought sterling and suso into the first team,has Suarez playin at the top of his game and has moved Enrique to a position where he is much more effective as well as bringing the best out of g Johnson.apart from that our football is much more structured and its easy to see what we are trying to do even if we are not as successful at it as you would hope.what I think he still needs to address is that typically 5 of our front six offer very little goal threat,our football is still played at too slow a pace to really hurt teams and our midfield particularly gerrard and sahin have been disappointing.downing,Henderson and cole continue to disappoint and need to be sold where possible.we remain very much a work in progress and you would hope the changes to our scouting staff will bring improvements in the upcoming transfer windows.


Can't really answer as yet, we are 13 games in to the season!


Nothing,last year we were creating and
I emphasise the word CREATING chances
all day long all I see from this side is
slow methodical passing,sideways and
backwards,swansea are a pretty team
who at the end of the day will finish
mid-table and that's were BR is taking
us.......

auntie annie......


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:35:21
Downing was not too bad today considering he is new to left back slot apart from short back pass to reina. I see the weak links as poor man's busquets " Joe Allen " and aging Gerrard. Joe offers little and Gerrard is only fit for being impact sub theses days. Our best midfield trio when fit is Lucus, sahin and shelvey with room for improvement in transfer window. Bar Gerrard and suso the rest should be sold and replaced asap.

Bush


Not a big deal but it wasn't a back pass, the guy nipped it from his feet before Downing could hoof it clear.

Gazza


Was at the game and downing was awful, always hiding, what was you watching?


 

 

25 nov 2012 18:28:57
if gerrard is still an automatic choice next season we are in the sh-t. the formation needs to change. this passing back to the goalie is an accident waiting to happen sooner or later.


If Gerrard is picked at Tottenham we are in the sh-t ..........


O.P said bout passing back a while ago-bang on


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:21:36
Frustrating result, failed to capitalize on other teams dropping points

Even more dissapointing was BR's comments after the match saying fdG just wanted to "balance the books" he's basically telling us not to get our hopes up for january and i believe him

We wont be nothing more than a mid table team as long as FSG are running the club, balancing the books is more important than success

With this sort of attitude and ambition i cant see suarez staying unless they invest in top quality players like chelsea/city he wont stick around and can u blame him

Tired and disillusioned, struggling to beat teams like swansea i remember when we used to crush teams like real madrid and were ranked number 1 in europe a few seasons ago

Sold kuyt, maxi, bellamy and didnt replace them we LFC fans dont deserve this we've been through too much already

Sigh

Sigh


'balancing the books is more important than success' ... Ok let's have 'success' whilst not existing as a club!?!?


We (LFC) as a collective are not victims

Nobody deserves anything especially anything bad

However LFC has little control over what it gets

The universe is speaking to LFC and obviously its falling on deaf ears


Hello BR
Hello J. Henry
Hello T. Warner


It is at times like these we need spititual direction

Who's the man to supply that

Sour Puss


So what your saying is that we should under fsg just expect to be mediocre from now on. In my opinion without money invested in the squad we will be getting nowhere fast, just become a side totalk about past trophys.

Under fsg we are just a mid table side with no more money than anyone around us, going nowhere fast.

Why did they buy us, they are useless as owners, IMO. {Ed001's Note - clueless. They are rebuilding a symbolic infrastructure and people like you are doing nothing to help. This is not fm, you can't just click a button, it takes time.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:18:38
Could anybody tell me what Steven Gerrard gives to the team because he as been awful this season. The only way our team will grow if we have a new captain and drop Gerrard. Agger or Lucas as captain for me?

Mighty reds


His whole professional career, that's about all any one player can do.

''Beware Brother, the mob are fickle indeed.''


You either leave a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Stevie G must work with nothing, create everything and defend the back 4, all this at 32 in the fastest league in the world. The man is Liverpool embodied and has carried this team for the past 7 years. Show some respect.

mozzilfc


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:18:25
Swansea fans showed us today how to actually support your team when they play at home. Anfield is too quiet when we have a home match there. Has been for a few years now.


Is it a wonder Anfield is quiet when we've been playing like that for 3yrs??

Geez captain logic!

Mary Hinges


If what you watch is exciting you will make more noise


I thought it was pretty quiet compared to most stadiums! Except the wonderful Liverpool supporters of course.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:15:45
dont care what anyone says-hendo played good today!
huxleypig


He played the same as he does most weeks plenty of effort with zero inspiration.created nothing,had no shots and just isn't good enough.shelvey offers a lot more.


Agreed, people get on his back - but they don't understand the game, have never played it and the only thing they kick is their poor luck in life! Hendo works hard and plays from end to end and has a good pass on him, he just needs the games to prove it under BR.


Henderson never gave the ball away, was always available and fitted in perfectly to Rodgers system, he is basically starting from scratch coz his confidence is so low so give him a break.
Thought downing was awful, had his chance and he blew it.

Jay


Hendo good? God help us!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:13:47
How much more does Gerrard have to do to get dropped these days? Gave the ball away so many times. Hardly chased any runners. Very rarely got forward. Legend? Yes! Currently good enough? Nowhere near!!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:10:16
Lets remind ourselves that Swansea at the Liberty stadium are a force. Some top teams that I do not have to name lost the game there. We had a draw which is better than a defeat. We all know we need some new players. What can the manager do? Buy them with his pocket money? If the owners provide the funds the new players will come in. If not we have to live with what we have. There is no reason to slate the manager. I must admit though that a couple of players in today's game should come off because their performance was poor.

alex


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:06:20
I hate this stupid idea that LFC fans have the were entitled to thrash every team in the PL bar the usual top teams. Newcastle lost 2-0 to Southampton today i wonder if their fans are going to question Pardew's game plan and plead for him to get sacked? no? The Liberty is never an easy place to go with the only team winning there this season being Everton. Not even going to bother coming on here if we lose against Spurs, coz im sure these fans feel were entitled to beat them too.

AsianRed


Where've you been man?

We've been a mid -table team for 4yrs now. No-one has that attitude anymore!

Everyone's accepted it, only there are a few smart ones of us left who want to "Rise against the machine". We won't accept the mediocrity anymore, it's time to fight the system.

Just wait until January before you judge us "Rebels". Us rebels who think NESV are taking us for a ride.

Let's see how much they are willing to pledge to the club, so we can afford a rope to pull us from the quicksand.

Let's see the "Quality" of players we buy.

Then judge!

Mary Hinges


To be fair AsianRed we have only beat 3 teams in the PL all season.


We don't think we are entitled to win any game , but when the owners make changes to our club we expect them to be at the same level as the previous set up at the very least or there is no point in changing things .think of how much last summer cost the club .


Newcaslle have not won any thing for years so their fans have not felt the decline we have endured how ever respect to them for being the supporters they are.


I think Newcastle fans would have every right to be disappointed with a 2-0 defeat to Southampton as well, would not balme their fans if they questioned the tactics coz Southampton have won two games all season before today.

Jay


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:04:04
I said earlier in the season after the City draw, and defeats to Arsenal and the I still believe if come January if we're still under double figure points off the top four spot with one or two additions we'll make it. On another note Jordan Henderson is a shocker. Hope he departs in January.
Red Jamie


If Reading beat Sunderland, we'll be 4 points from the relegation zone (We're 9 off 4th).

Come January then if we're less than double figure above it, i'll worry!

Mary Hinges


Don't wait til January mate start worrying now


 

 

25 Nov 2012 18:02:24
Melbourne CFC Hope you enjoyed The "exciting" football
Plenty more of that coming for the next 6 Months!!!Lyndon


25 Nov 2012 19:57:44
Erm they were playing City (League Champions).

It's Benitez' first game. (Since 2010).

Can't believe the abuse he got from the Chelsea fans. No shame.

For the record the football we played under Benitez was the most exciting i've seen Liverpool play. (Ok apart from the Barnes, Rush, Macca days). You get my point, cut him some slack, he deserves some!


It's exciting being near the top of the league how's mid table?


Thanks for thinking of me Lyndon, means a lot. I was pleased we kept a clean sheet against the current Champions. I think we were lacking while going forward but we at least looked solid throughout. I don't like Rafa and to say it was appalling for the fans to give no respect is a joke. After all he has said about us fans, what do you expect. I will support him wholeheartedly as our manager, and I think you'll find all Chelsea supporters will come round as well. I don't mind sitting in the top four. Much better than consistently sittin outside it, don't you think?

You guys on here need some perspective, don't play with the big boys in the league, their fans view you as a midtable mediocre team. You never prove them wrong.

One way team, you lot are. Suarez doesn't score so Liverpool don't score. Get a grip son!

Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:59:29
All this talk about why Downing, Henderson and Cole played...

Maybe they are in shop window for January transfer window.

Downing looks like a scared rabbit in front of headlights every time he gets the ball these days! I think move would be best for both parties.

Steve068


Shop window?

Erm NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

1. It implies Brendan cares more about getting rid of our garbage than he does about getting 3 points!

2. Who would pay even £3m for Downing with the way he performs? His value decreases by the minutes he spends on the pitch!!

StrabaneRed


Its about using the squad we played thursday, played today then play again on wednesday.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:50:46
Just to lighten the mood slightly, it would be the greatest come back since Lazarus if Rafa 'the miracle worker' were to get Torres firing again. A shadow of the Striker we once knew
Brendan's Right Thumb


Why don't you bugger off to the chelsea pages


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:44:45
eds firstly why do u think assaidi is not being given more playing time, I for one would like to see him get more substitute appearances instead of cole. Is br not rushing him or does he think we have better option (though i fail to see any), i think he and enrique could really work well on the left together. I think br's emotion are getting the better of him when it comes to cole. Yes he was our man of the match against young boys but i still we should still sell him to get rid of his high wages and his age. BR probably has a good relationship with the guy and wants to see him do well but I just dont think he is the guy for us. So do u think BR will hold onto him or will he be sold if the right offer comes. {Ed002's Note - He is a squad member, but didn't he play Thursday?}


Yes he did eds, but what i meant was that why isn't he making more appearances in the premiere league, at least substitute appearances. I think he played only match in the league. I think BR is doing a great job and just needs a few more goalscorers in the team and assaidi could become one given the time on the pitch {Ed002's Note -That needs to be a Dear Brendan letter.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:25:34
Decent day at the office lads! Happy with that. Swansea played us off the park toward the end of last season at Anfield, glad we got a point at theirs today & we've moved up the table.

But hold on!! The anonymous trolls are out... Brendan should walk the plank, the players should be buried alive & it's truly embarrassing being a Liverpool fan.

Well up yours you grubby little lightweights. I don't consider your defeatist, aggressive, malicious comments any use to this club whatsoever. Things aren't perfect but coming onto a LFC fan forum 10 mins after the final whistle & stamping your feet like like petulant little girls is what I find embarrassing. Opinions, yes. Trolling NO.

I would sign this post as (I normally do) but on this occasion I'm gonna be an ANONYMOUS!!!


The moaning is as always too much when some of us dont get our own way.
A point at swansea is not a bad result at all. We were not hot today but nopt as bad as some are saying at all
gareth


Well said mate
Mati.d


I find it embarrassing that a fellow Liverpool fan would find our league position (For the past THREE YEARS) acceptable, and the form of those seasons.

Not only were we sh*t today, but we play sh*t all the time.

It shows how far we have sank when Swansea played us off the park at Anfield last season and we were toothless today against them.

3 wins from 13 and 7 draws is not acceptable to me sorry.

"Decent day at the office" my arse.

Not so long ago this result was sealed 2/3 nil before kick-off. But no that isn't acceptable anymore.

ANONYMOUSTOO


25 Nov 2012 18:18:29
though we did actually play them before Xmas at Anfield last year!


I never said form of the last 3-4 years was acceptable. I said today's result wasn't worthy of the trollism I've read on here today. They're a decent team at home. So tell me why BR should go based on this result? 'Sh*t' as you call it is subjective, some would say Benetiz's football was sh*t, Hodgson's football was sh*t, Kenny's buys were sh*t. The point is today we moved up the table & so no need for the hatred.


Seeing we hit the bar and had a goal dissalowed shows me for a team playing with a 17 year old and carrying players like downing and cole and having only 1 striker that we did ok , chealse drew with swansea aswell so it cant be that bad , maybe you rthink rafa should have come back well look at how he did in his 1st game with chelsea , we do not have the right to be at the top just because we are liverpool , im not happy with our position but what can i do except support my team through thick and thin


No hatred was intended.

But you did also say "Decent day at the office, pleased with that".

To me that implies you are acceptant of it.

were 6 points from the relegation zone...I don't find that acceptable, and todays result contributes to our league points total, so for me it wasn't a decent day at the office, just another mediocre performance.

This game would have been 2/3 nil before the game even started not so long ago (Ahem)...There was optimism and expectancy before the games, those two adjectives have eluded us now.

We have fallen faaaaar, and when people accept our mid-table status it makes it all the more frightening to me.

Just my friendly opinion.

ANONYMOUSTOO


These players you slate were same ones who got the team to 6th place this time last year. So why are they not able to perform. Is it because they are being asked to do something alien to the style they were accustomed..

Steve Clarke seems to get alot out of players, what's he doing with a poorer squad that BR can't.
Jmac


That would have been a decant day at the office had we been Reading, boy how standards have slipped.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:22:42
Ye bunch of moaning **pp***, Glad I'm not in the pub with ye,

G Red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:17:00
Give it until the end of the season before you judge.


I wont judge him for a couple of seasons.

I think he's at the club on potential, and he's learning as well.

They type of football we are playing is positive, they type of players we want to bring in are positive and with a bit more experience and penetration in the side, I think we could shoot up the league table quite fast

AZ


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:12:56
Away fans poor,(and thats rare) today


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:11:47
At Relatives last night,Nephew had old Lfc 2007 squad picture-sad the difference in quality then to now.Seems an age ago


Its because of the owners we have had and these new ones dont look any different than the other 2 yanks , plus BR is rebuilding the team , ffs he has only been with us for a few months the same goes for some of the players aswell , i admit its not good but i also admit it could be a lot worse


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:10:13
Rafa so desperate to get back.BUT fans reaction shows daft to go there.He was right about them lot


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:09:15
Love the club, love the players and BR, but MAN that was dull...3 points would have been nice! Credit to Swansea they are a very good side.


Yep! There better than us


Obviously they aren't....


Well we're not better than them as we have never even scored against them in the prem league.


26 Nov 2012 00:27:30
I think Swansea are very much like us...only their league position reflects their performances, and I think their supporters are happy with how they are doing. we should be doing a lot better than we are. Swansea shouldn't be knocked they are so exciting to watch, and I love the success they are currently having considering where they have come from, they are a real success story. Our problem is we are not consistent, we put in a performance when we are the under dog, or when the pressure is on, then we go and lose a match we should win. Swansea are beating the teams they should be beating consistently. I think a lot of you are forgetting that Swansea away is a tough fixture. One we lost last season, so a draw is an improvement. Top teams are struggling against them, so a draw today shouldn't be unusual. In terms of quality in the squad they are not better than us, but as mentioned before they are performing more consistently than LFC. Remember we are currently trying to play the system they have had years to get used to.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 17:09:11
I.m.o Suso shouldve come on for Downing.Dropping Enrique to leftback.Couldnt understand Cole coming on


We needed a goal thats why we brought cole on


Suso should have been on in place of Gerrard

Puzzled


25 Nov 2012 19:42:20
Enrique and Downing should've swapped places after 10 minutes, imo. And then Downing should've been subbed at half time if he was still struggling.

Hindsight's wonderful, though, isn't it? Had Sterling's shot been two inches lower, no one would've been all that bothered.

- Something Red -


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:43:53
close Anfield,sack d managers!release all d players just shut d club down!thatll cheer all our SUPPORTERS up
feehad


Wow, way over the top we played well the last thing we wanna do is sack the manager and all the players! Downing ca go though hes awful


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:42:59
Who looks more likely to sign sturridge or Walcott. Personally I would prefer to see Walcott arriving at afield rather than sturridge as a I think he is to selfish and takes to much out of the ball {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}


Does anyone actually listen to Rodgers? He said that the club are trying to balance the books and he doesn't expect much in January. I for one believe him


I think this is tactics for making the money stretch a little further. If he plays the skint card he might be able to pinch an extra body like Assadi with the change.

I think Rodgers is financially quite shrewd, if he had £100 million for new players he'd tell you he only has a tenner.

Tom Werner has said he expects the squad to grow in the January transfer window. So Mr Werner has spilt the proverbial beans, as it were.

I'm actually expecting Sturridge to arrive. I think he knows we are short of fire power and that he needs games. If Liverpool are willing to spend on him. it's to play him, unlike why Chelsea bought him from City. I'm not so sure about Walcott, although he was no where to be seen in Arsenal's team or bench yesterday? So who knows!? I do expect to see Tom Ince return.

If we could grab all three for about £25 million - £30 million, then i think we'll be much, much better placed and strengthened as a squad overall, to give more balance to the attack and width , which should enable us to push on and hopefully upwards.

Also they are three young players who would get better with time in suited conditions.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:42:04
Unbelievable the response from all you so called LFC fans! We just drew at Swansea, a place were many top teams have struggled to get a result. Overall I thought we played well and definitely should have won. I am an LFC fan who understands football and realises we are a team in transition. And yes I am 100% behind BR and the owners. YNWA..


Yep you are right. lots of people are stupid and think we can go and thrash teams on their home ground...it rarely happens for anyteams in the premiership. Too much Fifa 12
gareth


We've been in transition for 20 years now. How long is this transitio thing going to take


Everton won 3-0 at Swansea and there not a top club.


Everton are the only team to win there this season.....


The thing we need to understand is that the transition starts with each manager. Every time you change managers, you start again. The fans have been waiting 20+ year but you cant put the weight of that time on the new manager. Rodgers has had months, not 20 years.

Andy K


Simple solution stop changing managers.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:39:03
Ins:
Attacking Midfielder-Lewis Holtby-£4m
Tricky Winger-Dries Mertens-£12m
Goalscoring Striker-Leandro Damiao-£19m
=£35m

Outs:
Doni,Gulasci,Wilson,Downing,Spearing,
Henderson,Cole,Pacheco =£20m


Also didnt even look at your outs. what happens if pepe and jones get injurd? oh wait im not to bad in goal i can drop back in there.

KUMBER


Holtby is going to the blues, he said he will make the decision with his heart and he and his family are evertonions


So were Carra's.


Carra's been at Liverpool all his life, big difference!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:31:28
I know everyone is frustrated by I for one like what I see. The squad still has a few holes to fill probably 3 to 4 at most, but I believe that FSG will back the manager and he will find the players he wants for those positions. As it is now we have improved a lot from our poorer and poorer showings as last season wound down.

The holes we need to fill seem obvious based on the moves Rodgers has made with his team selection. Left back and left wing, and strengthening the attack. Playing a combo of Downing & Enrique or Wisdom seems to me to be just a patch until he can get who he wants on that side.

Up the middle if Lucas can come back healthy i would think you would see mostly Allen/Gerrard and Lucas. It should allow Allen to play more of a creative attacking role than he is now playing with Lucas hurt. Frankly a little disappointed that Sahin has not been better, but maybe he will come around as season goes on.

In the attack I personally would like to see Wilfried Bony up front combining with Suarez out left and Sterling or Borini on right. He would give us a little size combined with talent (anti Andy Carroll) to go with Suarez's talent. My lineup at the top would be Bony, Suarez and Borini. All three capable of playing anywhere up top. Great movement from Suarez and Borini would make for a difficult top 3 to defend. I think we would be much more dangerous than we are now with that lineup.

don't know who we should get for left back, but I trust Rodgers knows what he wants and he will get it right. Cheers to him & FSG for trying to build a team to contend for first not fourth and taking his time. In the long run we will be better off for it.

YNWA
Lee


Allen does not create rubbish he's the master of the sideways/backwards pass.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:28:12
Hi eds and fellow reds,
Who do you expect to leave Liverpool in the January transfer window?


Cole, Downing & Doni.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:28:07
3 points against Spurs please lads. Jdog


Your joking arn't you, we can't beat Swansea we aint gonna do much better against Spurs.


Never happen mate drop 3 I think ,we look leggy can't pass shaky at the back .bale Defoe will run us of the park I afraid .


Why wont we? its not as if tottenham are the flavour of the month is it? will you all come on here and hold your hands up if we win? or disappear into the bacground until we draw or lose again? and your being a little disrespectful to swansea also! they are a bloody good side why cant people recognise that? your poor support is ruining this club, your a joke the lot of you!

ian the red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:27:15
Hi eds and fellow reds,
Should we believe Brendan Rodgers when he said we're looking to bring in 2-3 forwards in the January transfer window? {Ed002's Note - It is no secret that Liverpool are looking at forward players with interest shown in the likes of Sturridge, Huntelaar and Jeffren.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:25:28
rodgers must go now before our club is forgotten forever i am deadly serious


You really are a prop proper mo*h. what did you think of dalglish last season we lost this fixture at home?


Nurse!?, get this fan a bedpan.

dd


The guy hasn't even had half a season at the club yet and this site is full of people calling for his head. Some seriously fickle 'supporters' on here.

Who would replace him?
I suppose paying him off and then having to pay for ANOTHER manager would make financial sense would it?
How would the players feel having to adjust yet again to another manager?
How would it reflect on LFC becoming another Chelsea just spitting managers out like a conveyor belt?

Give the bloke a bloody chance. He is fully aware of what positions need improving, after all he is the MANAGER. If we finish mid-table this season then so be it, as long as there's signs of improvement then I'm happy, he should be judged on the merits of next season.

JFT 96

JP


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:24:42
We are no longer a force to be reckoned with!
So sad............


Well if you choose to believe that mate... So when you talk to rival supporters you'll be introducing yourself as the bloke who supports a team that are no longer a force... on behalf of all at LFC, thanks for your help.

dd


We haven't been a force to be reckoned with for 20 years, so whats new!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:19:02
I said it a while ago and people laughed but again today we would have been better served with Gerrard at right back and Johnson at left back. Which would have freed up a midfield starting role for Sahin or Shelvey.
100 times better than having Downing on the pitch.
kidmillions


Johnson is too selfish.


25 Nov 2012 16:57:45
Kidmillions mate Gerrard doesn't have pace to play right back I'm afraid things are looking very very bad.

Rodgers needs to find best of our midfield coz not only Gerrard but even sahin looks awful in Rodgers systeam.
The pace which we are building will take lots of years.

If we don't finish in top4 in 2 years I will be surprised if he gets more time.


Hope you don't think that we can actually finish in the top 4 within 2 years,because we have not got a cat in hells chance

I personally don't think we will have a top 4 finish within the next 5 years

alan50


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:13:36
Why did we not bring back rafa last year? Rodgers does not have a clue. Rafa has the balls to drop or sub anyone, he did not deny it when press asked about slagging Chelsea. He is the man for the summer. Buy one striker in January then keep money for rafa in summer. He is a total Liverpool man, knows what it takes to win, can identify great players. I really hope people inside and outside the club can see this. Everybody says Barcelona are the team to copy, maybe they are but only if you have the personnel.


You sir are a muppet, yes why not bring back the man who destroyed 2 champions league winning teams neither have recoverd since. dont remember him ever droping gerrard, torres, pepe. as for the subs did rodgers not win the wigan game because of his change, did rodgers not rescue the 2 games before that because of his changes, you can remember 3/4 seasons ago but cant remember last week do you suffer from alzheimer. we are 6 or 7 games unbeated things are on the up. sure we only drew against swansea but those are the type of team we could not beat last season. rome was not built in a day, but last weeks win can.

KUMBER


Rafa was not good enough anyway so why do you want him back?
gareth


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:11:21
Some very strong opinions today post match.

I have to say for me at least, we were not very good at all...but its a point away from home against a team many are saying are not good, which is not true at all. I do agree we should be winning these type of games but personally predicted like others that with a new system etc we would have a poor start to the season.

I do think some of you are a little harsh of Gerrard though. He was poor today but i do not think we should lay him to rest for good! He is not the player he was, and i think is finding his feet with the new system also, but give him more than 1 or 2 chances before you trash talk his abilty!

And no, before you think it i am and have not been Gerrards biggest fan for a few years now. I feel he is excellent sometimes but many times have felt that killer pass has sometimes broken up play been rushed

Anyway, i do not like the backpasses either but i for one do not thing Rodgers is a fake and do see him as a manager we will have for many years and one who will prove his worth

Be patient. If we fail to get Europe this year,,,so what? We have not got it the last couple anyhow. Becoming champions is a slow progress
Gareth


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:08:12
If FSG are in for the long haul then unless they back BR with some serious spending in Jan on at least 2 top class strikers then I'm afraid we are in for more games like today's and the season of frustrations will continue.

7 draws out of 13 just goes to show we lack Strikers, when Suarez doesn't score we don't win games, Suarez has been brilliant all season but he needs support or risk losing him as FSG have so far under BR shown no support.

It's FSG fault for not allowing BR the right support in the summer, BR has done brilliant in introducing the youngsters imagine what he could do with some quality additions in Jan?

Keep the faith BR..

Wizards sleeve


We all expected that it was going to be difficult given the summer's tar activity, but prior to the winter window at least we are difficult to beat. Hopefully with some attacking reinforcements we can turn the draws into wins.

Replace Downing, Cole and Henderson with Tello, Huntelaar and Holtby.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:05:26
its official the once mighty reds are a mid table team..with no balls..inept..gerrard what has happened...
to your desire passion i will tell you something unless we
pick up suarez could do one an you something who could blame
him the owners are happy making money the manager happy with mid table ideas..and the players couldnt give a rubbish..
the fans have the passion..always love the club but theres somthing not right here..look at downing a left winger playing left back and enrique vice versa its a joke..
walk on..


We've been a mid table to for 3-4 years no so no great surprise it's fans excepting this that is the problem


Gerrard passion is still there the problem is he is doing what BR wants him to ,remember what he was like under Roy ? and the day kenny came in the gerrard returned .


'Owners are happy making money'? ... You know nothing about LFC do you? Please pop back and explain that one.


25 Nov 2012 17:48:37
Yeah coz Rogers told Gerrard to misplace every second pass he tried today? With All due respect to StevieG, but senseless comments like that embarrass me, 4th spot was never gonna happen this season, anybody who knows anything knew this, we'll do well do get to 6th, a new manager is not the answer, I personally believe in Rogers and for the most love watching Liverpool. We all know what's lacking and I'm sure these areas will be addressed. Leem


Haven't West Brom got a new manager too? I see he needed no settling period unless you think he has better players, it's just all excuses.


25 Nov 2012 19:39:16
Anonymous negative poster number 27, has any team qualified for or won in November? Are you honestly that short sighted, Or do you actually think Westbrom will be in the champions league next season, there is no need for an excuse I said I believe in Rogers, I said give him time, that means time to get us in the champions league coz that's what the eventual
goal is then start challenging for the EPL, we have been a mid table team for 3 4 years now? How long would you give Aston Villa, Everton or Fulham to reach a champions league spots? Coz that's what Rogers trying to do, get a mid table team challenging for titles, with all due respect to Bestbrom and Clarke they'll be happy just staying in the EPL, there is no comparison, we'll be above them, when that happens will you be going to a Westbrom site and call for his head? Fickle is a gross understatement. Leem


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:04:31
All this rubbush about give BR time etc
Liverpool have always been a passing team
He Inhearated a much better squad than Michael Laudrup and Steve Clarke
and they are doing much better ( without it will take time excuse and the resources of Liverpool )
BR He is so out of his depth and just says almost comical qoutes liverpool fans expect to hear its all Bull S**t

We should have a great manager at our club even Michael Laudrup would have been a better choice

I Love Liverpool but facts are facts we are a mid table team with mid table management

the club deserves much better

we where much more attacking with Kenny

K.O.B


What Liverpool have u been watching better squad downing cole Adam spearing don't forgot he lost key players in kuyt Bellamy and maxi


U need to go and support another team then we are were we are we live in hope to get back to top but my opinion of u is that saying we were more attacking under kenny the problem is he lost most of the players there heads dropped, if giving money brendan will be able to improve on what hes got but kenny doesent know what hes buying most of the time hes left us in a bigger mess than what he found it i have so much faith in rodgers. Ps. U should go and support chelsea (fire a manager every 5 months


'we where much more attacking with Kenny' Yea and we were outplayed and lost to them last season! So much for your 'attacking'!

Singred


Couldn't agree more! But I have to add Kenny wasn't much better and deserved the sack.

A Headline I read this week Qouted Rodgers as saying "Qualification is simple enough" (Regarding our chances of progressing after drawing with Young Boys). What? Young Boys are equal on points with us and Anhzi are 3 ahead, even a draw for us might not do. And we play Udinese who beat us at home. Bewildering statement.

NESV are only interested in hiring cheap unproven managers. Why you ask? Well because they know nothing about football, lack ambition and well they are cheap, like the managers they employ.

It's thier cash cow.

Top managers wouldn't allow for NESV them to walk over them.


The poor squad that you refer to last season ,played 13 , 25 pts sat in 6ths so yeah that was a rubbish squad mate .


Sorry but Kenny got us two cup finals in his first full season. A feat Brendan won't yet you all think the sun shines out of Brendan rear. Dalglish won more in his little finger than Brendaever win. I can't see Brendan lastin


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:02:59
are there any left backs we are interested in ? if we have signed enrique as a left winger for 15mil i don't think there would be any grumbles so why not keep him there.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:02:06
The 2 on 1 break we had near the end,, if that of been Suarez and Bellamy we would of won the game one nil. With so few options for creativity it's beyond me why we got rid of him (Bellamy)


He clearly stated that he wanted to wake up with his kids every morning of which you cnt deny him, family comes first. brendan wanted to keep him and maxi also.

ian the red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 16:00:57
a few things I have to say. why did henderson and downing start the game they were both poor downing more so then henderson. also why bring joe cole on he might aswell have not been on the pitch. on the plus side we deserved to win the game today and really should have swansea were quite poor.


Cole Hendo and downing got to go if we wana get anywhere


Shop Window I hope!


Henderson played 100 times better than Gerrard. So stop having tinted glasses on certain players.

Mighty reds


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:56:49
Don't actually know what game you moaners were watching... we had more shots on target (9-2) against them, and more of the ball then them, and playing against them on their home ground.

Singred


Exactly we didn't get beat kept a clean sheet everyone knows we're desperate for jan to come Rodgers has had 1 transfer window not backed fully what was he meant to do sign. 8 players with what money, give him jan and the summer he himself knows where he needs to add but he can't do nothing till January


Was it not a draw


Yeah, we managed to match the mighty Swansea!


And out of the nine how many went in on there ground


Wat the hell has stats got to do with it.the only stats i look at is how many goals we put in and that waz zip


Sky had it at 7-4 in Liverpools favour.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:54:55
Hi ed...haven't posted in over a year but I just had to....is it only me who feels sad and gutted everytime I think of Rafa managing Chelsea!...anyway, what do you think the chances are of rafa showing us how sorry he is for betraying us by selling us a couple of gems for knockdown prices?... Maybe Marko Marin or Oscar?..or maybe even Torres?...I know about the rumours of him going back to Atletico Madrid, but wouldn't he rather come back to us rather than being seen to have failed totally by going back to Madrid?!....I know some might think these opinions are outlandish cos they haven't been floated about yet, but are they really that far fetched!?... Feed back appreciated

Si

YNWA {Ed002's Note - I don't see the likes of Oscar and Marin moving to Liverpool, sorry.}


Mate I don't think any player of any quality will wont to come to us mate ,nothing there for them average wages bottom half team .even the top players at liverpool are starting to look pissed off .


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:54:52
Was anyone else so frustrated with Johnson today?
Needlessly giving the ball away on numerous occasions.

How have we spent so much money the last couple of years to have such an average group of players in our startin eleven.

I suppose another clean sheet in the league is a positive. I'll be positive myself and support Liverpool until I die but I think I wont have a hair left on my head by the end of this season.

Very frustrating stuff


Johnson was one of the best players on the pitch, unlucky not to score and also defended well. Compare that to left back?
kidmilllions


The players u should be moaining about are stewart downing and henderson two dierbolical players, such terrible signings by dalglish!


Was you watching the same game? Johnson was Mon today


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:54:13
i'm dissapointed but you guys should stop moaning , i wont helped the club... just support them . i'll support lfc no matter what happenned, not just cheering them when they win the game and says something bad when lfc lost the game or playing bad.

evan, Indonesia


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:53:35
You'll never walk alone . Oh sorry I thought that was our anthem . Looks like it's starting to mean nothing to some of the sh/ts coming on with loads to say but don't leave a name . Look remember last season we lost at there ground and drew at anfield. I am just as disappointed as everyone else but I would rather get a point than lose . I for one am still supporting LFC no matter what . BR will get thongs right .
YNWA

Jamesy


Sorry BR will get things right . Typing on iPhone . Cheers

Jamesy


'... get thongs right' ....superb Jamesy!

dd


He might also get the thongs right :-)


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:51:53
I can't help but think BR and Liverpool have missed a trick today.

Downing and Henderson starting was a surprise over Sahin and Suso.

Cole actually been named in the squad baffles me altogether.

We had the perfect opportunity today to move up into the top 10, somewhere we haven't been all season and yet we blew it again.

With the spurs coming up on Wednesday if we were to lose that match then one point out of the Swansea/Spurs games would be a massive blow, and I'm afraid the BR haters on here will be out in there masses screaming for his head.

The season so far has been full of draws and a stop start campaign, working progress I think it's called. It's obvious to all that Jan 1st can't come fast enough we are desperate for another 2 strikers to help out Suarez.

I hope Lucas starts sooner rather than later he has been badly missed. A midfield of Lucas/Allen/Gerrard with Sterling Suarez and Cavani up front is my New Year wish...

Wizards sleeve


Sahin hendersen Cole and Downing aint good enough


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:50:00
Downing has to go in January, he was shocking yet again today. He seems totally lost out on the pitch, doesn't know what to do with the ball.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:48:42
I think Brendan Rodgers has been average and the value of his buys Have been questionable. If Brendan was installed to improve the squad and to make the team challenge then I'm afraid so far he's failing.
Brendan's appointment was some what questionable considering his lack of experience and the Size of our club, however he was appointed and should be supported.many of you ( the fans ) wanted Kenny out the same way you wanted Rafa and hodgson out and this is what you all asked for.

I don't think we have improved but January soon be here so who knows who we will bring in but knowing Brendan then I'm sure we will get the finest players Norwich, west Bromwich Blackpool or Forrest have


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:48:20
I thought we played well - especially in the first half when we were nearest to scoring. Suarez, Enrique & Johnson all had excellent games, as did Sterling. Enrique my MOTM All in all, considering the midweek exertions, plus we kept them from scoring, we can be pleased with the point. This Swansea team plays good football, so any of you thinking we would walk over them is plainly deluded.

Singred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:48:04
Another day of frustration but when we consider half of our team didn't have good day its acceptable result for now.. What frustrates me about downing is not he is not playing well but he doesn't look like he has got fire on his belly to do something about it..Gerrard has been great servant and I think its time to use him less to make sure we don't stop progress of Shalvey and Suso.. He doesn't like defending all the time and only makes effort when he is bothered.. Couple of times sterling and Suarez could have passed to each other then shooting themselves but I think more they play more they will compliment each other.. Wasn't really vintage performance from us but wasn't worst as well so its okay....Jan transfer window is big one and we must make some good shroud signing to strengthen ourself..as we speak Downing and Cole and Henderson to some extent look set for exit...

Harry Oldbury


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:47:17
If Rodgers doesn't know how to get the best out of Gerrard, he is clue-less.. This handling of our Captain and supposed match-winner makes me doubt our manager more and more.. He clearly doesn't work in Rodgers system unless he is used as a forward, he looks so bored, and I don't blame him.. its like we have 3 holding midfielders doing the job of 1.. Madness..


Maybe Gerrard isn't as good now as he used to be. Have you thought about that?


What an inane post. Gerrard has been mediocre for a long time, well before Rodgers came in. Do you really think we should mould the team entirely to suit our ageing captain? Get real


The problem is gerrard,watch the match,and watch him,passing..terrible,tracking back,never does. he needs dropping..


Maybe it's because our holing midfielder is out injured so SG is taking it upon himself to help Allen out . I do agree he was poor today . But I still think we are not scoring as many goals as we should and if we took SG out of the team we wouldn't creat as many chances as we do .

Jamesy


Sad to say but the problem is Stevie. Time waits for no man even a football genius.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:46:23
not great on the eye, must admit but a good point a swansea. 4 behind arsenal, 5 behind everton who everybody says is having great season. spurs next, then next 7 are
southampton (h)
west ham (a)
a villa (h)
fulham(h)
stoke(a)
qpr(a)
sunderland(h)
we are looking solid now which is a relief after our start, with lucas coming back we wont give many away.
we all know we need someone to help/cover suarez, but who can we get in jan that will fit into br long term plans.
i would love tello of barca, but probably is wishful thinking. has any seen the 16 year old from croatia, alen halilovic, he looks utter class, r madrid and ac milan and man city are after him. br should get in there and show him liverpool trust young players and sign him.he will rot at r madrid and man city, they only play big star names.
so along with halilovic for the future, tello perhaps if we could persaude him, jan cuold be a blank, would prefer nobody than stop gap player we are stuck with paying wages to for years.
i dont expecttop 4 this season. suarez imo will stay untill 2014, world cup, then will evaluate the sitution. if not in top 4 by then he will probably go.
but i expect top 4 then, we are going in right direction.

B O H


You need to see your doctor,we were abysmal today

alan50


Spurs away before Southampton


Don't think we will get 7 pts out of them


Alan50 what do you expect, i said it wasnt good on the eye today, we are where we are, but i have a feeling we are on right direction. look at chelsea, my tip for the league, look at the money spent on torres, mata, oscar, hazard. manager sacked, we need to build a proper team with good spirit, agger, lucas, reina, suarez, gearard all leader, proven players. one step at a time.

B O H


We are not having a great season,we had a decent start.dropped quite a few points lately and you still haven't caught us.
Jab EFC


EFC guy check out your previous seasons.And how often over 20 years that we aint been side we once were-that youve finished above us! IT IS great season for you.Hurry out and get dvd sado


B O H Agree all bar Gerrard


Sado great name for a lfc fan
Jab


Liverpool are having a great season and Everton a average one.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:46:03
surely enough is enough. br cannot stay its not getting any better. whatever he is trying to do is not working.


Whatever he's do is not working? then how about hendo for suso in wigan game?

evan, Indonesia


I agree mate..its beyond a joke..


Ffs...it takes time to build a squad and bed in a new playing system especially when you are doing so on a budget. stick to playing fifa mate because in the real world you are in for a long wait before lfc truly compete again no matter who is the manager.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:45:41
I am missing Dearly our old Attacking Football and GOALS!!

Chris


You mean Liverpool from the 70's and 80's


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:45:13
Was a fair game to me..both teams could have won the game..what rodgers has to address to me is our midfield..only gerrard was playing dangerous balls into the box...allen and hendo were just passing without penetration..I don't want to judge allen since they say when lucas comes bla bla..if he plays with lucas and this continues then he is a waste of 15m..how cole came in ahead of suso I don't know..let's leave it as that.but swansea are still the pass masters not liverpool..


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:45:04
how many chances how many chances Guaranga if suarez doesant score then we dont score ,its very sad seeing us like this & look were we are in the table im sorry its not good enough we need at least 3 players in jan at least two strikers if we keep wasting chance after chance we,ll lose more than we win & suarez will leave .anyway if abid comes in for suarez the owners will take no matter what they say in the press,&turn it round on the player ,& no more of all this rubbish itll take time to get br philosophy across to the players ,its football ,we were already apass &move team we just didnt pass it around as much at the back as we do now IRISH RED


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:44:56
Was a fair game to me..both teams could have won the game..what rodgers has to address to me is our midfield..only gerrard was playing dangerous balls into the box...allen and hendo were just passing without penetration..I don't want to judge allen since they say when lucas comes bla bla..if he plays with lucas and this continues then he is a waste of 15m..how cole came in ahead of suso I don't know..let's leave it as that.but swansea are still the pass masters not liverpool..


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:44:46
So-so game. The team clearly looked tired after the first half. Some positives from the game but it looked like Swansea were happy to get a draw. Downing simply does not belong in this team anymore. He wasn't tracking back and most of Swansea's attacks came from their right side. Good game by Enrique and Sterling. Sterling could teach Downing a thing or two about defending! Gerrard is tired and anyone can see it. He needs a couple of games off. We just have to somehow hold on until the January window, and hope for some good offensive firepower is brought in. ra1969


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:44:33
we are in deep rubbish if fsg see br as the man to take liverpool forward over the most important years in recent history. liverpool were dire today we are fast becoming a average side. brenden rogers has seduced john knows ****all about football henry with words he has took stright out of a text book about how football should be played. the mans a chancer. full of words of wisdom that come straight ot of mourinhos mouth


We're do u seriously think we should be top 4 no chance u joke he's got one striker give h January to try and add then the summer to get more players in then judge u cannot judge having the players he's inherited he's had 1 transfer window what was he meant to do sign 11 new players


Bang on lad some of the sh.. He comes out with i dnt Evan under stand. Lfc FAZAK


Never mind Spanish our Italian players . LFC FAZAK


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:43:42
That was painfull to watch stevie g getting old cant get around the pitch allen is not a holding mid we have nothing in the wide areas its looking like a long season again we need players fsg in jan and the summer if not we are a mid table club for years to come also why ar we singing ynwa at swansea after a draw its sad to see how much we have gone backwards


Yeah, why are the fans backing the team, should just boo them. My god, there are some muppets on here.


Yeah it's fsg who need to back Rodgers its not Rodgers fault he just had to do what he can with average players he can't work miracles after 1 transfer window


Post directly above=nail and head


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:42:31
So a real decent point today. Swansea have proved they are no Pushovers at home. So we must be happy with a point. My main concern was Steven Gerrard though he was awful in the first half and not much better in the second. He is slowing the team down. He is struggling to pick a pass, he gives the ball away, can't head anymore and certainly doesn't drive the team on. I appreciate what he as done for the club but he needs dropping for along time. I would much rather see Henderson instead of Gerrard at least he can press.

Mighty reds


So you dont think Allens 5 yard passes or needless free kicks dont slow the game? Gerrsrd could do that with his c#ck hanging out.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:41:53
Two teams trying to play tiki-taka. Zzzzzzzzzzz.
My insomnia cured !
I missed the second half. I was sound asleep.

Boston Red


Disagree ?
I should know when I am having a lovely snooze.
Induced by boring, souless football.

Boston Red


 

 

25 nov 2012 15:40:53
q. how to win against liverpool?
a. just pass the ball to downing he will never let opponents down!!

chris


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:40:09
Anyone else think that Stevie is smothered under the present system? Don't get me wrong, this is not a criticism of the manager as such but that of an observation of the restriction to his movement. I still think his time as come though as a first eleven starter and have said so for a while (which pains me to sa).

A frustrating afternoon I think with an emphasis on the return of Lucas an even bigger priority than any signing.

DaveyBootle


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:39:55
Our Midfield aint good enough.And no matter what personnel-hardly any of them in squad are.Hendo poor again,as was Allen.Gerrard in and out.But a lots the balance there.It just aint gelling


I thought hendo did ok today. Stevie was the biggest disappointment.


Hondo was alright and Allen was woeful again


Hendo alright?says it all.Alright is not good enough!


Allen and Hendo did well today. Gerrard needs dropping.

Mighty reds


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:38:33
Downing and Henderson were the weak links, no confidence at all, shouldn't play in a Red shirt. Gerrard has to step up his game or else be dropped no matter who he is, could easily cost us the game. Can't believe we go to Swansea for a draw, this attitude need to change, this is Liverpool Football Club!! Come on let's beat the Spuds!

HK


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:37:40
I've just watched Liverpool for the last time for the foreseeable future! I won't be changing my allegiance but watching what we put on the pitch is not good for my health. Downing and Cole are leaving in a few weeks time so we are they playing? Don't say that they are in the shop-window because any fee for them is decreasing with every appearance that they make. I think that Gerrard needs a rest and that the rest need a Gerrard (of old). I hoped (and thought) that Wigan might be the turning point but it obviously isn't. We still have the same problem that we have had for YEARS. If the teams above us drop points so do we! I honestly don't know a solution but that's not important - the fact is that the powers-that-be at Liverpool don't seem to have a clue either. We are not getting anywhere the way we are playing so CHANGE IT!
Ben Terug


Haha that poor is that ben, im not watching them for the foreseeable future?! well jog on then mate you told me you were fanatical the other day then spout this garbage, fickle like all the rest!

ian the red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:36:31
Without doubt,the worst 45 minutes ive seen from Liverpool in a while. We looked completley devoid of creativity,couldn't carve out a chance in a month of sundays. Everybody just looked lost out there,for me,the only player who comes away with any credit is Henderson. Enrique offside was very very harsh,i thought they were only suppossed to make decisions that are clear cut,benefit of the doubt to the attacking side i think not. Routledges dive,if Suarez did that it'd be mayhem,when Enrique steps on the center half,purely accidental,if Suarez did that,well,you get the point.
Totally unimpressed,if the players are trying to get Rodgers out they are going the right way about it. No support to Suarez,the 2 on 1 with Sterling was shocking,schoolboy stuff.
Maybe when i watch again,i'll see that it was two very similar systems that cancelled each other out,but if Swansea had won this game 3-0,i wouldn't be complaining. The only reason we drew is because their finishing was as bad as ours!
Would like to point out that im not criticizing Rodgers,as im sure he's as unhappy as me. Just didn't see any heart out there today.
Frustrations vented!
WelshBoyDave


Um dave, your post is total nonsense. We created several chances, hit the bar and had a goal disallowed. We played the better football against a pretty decent side and we were away from home. The team didn't look 'lost' at all (well maybe Downing did) - Allen and Gerrard were pretty average but even then we were still the better side.

Biscanifyoucan


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:35:12
Well yet ANOTHER abysmal performance,Downing,Gerrard,Agger, were all disgraceful,sterling's final ball was woeful

Things that we are TOP of the Premier League at

1, Passing BACK to the goalkeeper,at least 25-30 times today
2, Passing sideways or backwards
3, Not closing down the opposition
4, NOT going FORWARD enough and creating the LEAST amount of clear chances
5, The least amount of movement off the ball
6, The total lack of URGENCY in our play
7 The most amount of players in a team that don't break sweat

We are witnessing the slow and painful demise of this once great club and I for one don't see us being a force in football for a very long time to come

alan50


Alan50's a football genious! haha sign him up quick he put us right clearly knows what hes doing!

ian the red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:34:40
Stevie g needs a rest. Looked laboured all season so far. Joe Allen needs to add another dimension to his game. If we dont have tiki-taka players, then vary our style.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:34:24
2nd Half was terrible after a really good 1st half display. Thing is against Swansea away you would normally say a draw is good result (wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they beat WBA on Wednesday) but our league position makes you think otherwise as we need to climb the table.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:33:31
Hate to say it but I think its time to accept we are a mid table team. Cant think of many games this season where we looked like a top club. We continue to struggle against so called lesser teams. The pace of our attacks is so slow that its painful to watch, always giving teams time to get back and mark which for me is why we struggle to score goals wk in and wk out. Allen was poor today and has been for a number of wks. Anybody thinking we will sign a world class striker in jan can forget it. We are mid table and we will sign players of that standard. Rodgers needs time to get it right but if we are unable to buy players that can add pace into our team then I dont think it will work out for him. I am eagerly waiting for Jan to see how committed our owners are. If they dont spend big this window then I will have lost all faith in them.

N87


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:33:17
Not good enough Liverpool, Draws wont do, i'd rather lose 3 - 0 then at least the owners may react in the transfer market in January, but draws may be seen as being unbeaten and progress by the owners, which may influence their January transfers. I was ashamed the other week when we were celebrating a draw at Chelsea.... not too bad if we are around 4th in the league, but when we are 13th its not good enough as only wins will do, anything else is failure!


You're a failure. What is wrong with celebrating a draw at Chelsea? Yes today wasn't great but it once again highlights just where we are as a team. Deluded fools like you think there is an easy fix in the transfer window when that's not the case.

MP


Oh i get it, your just one of them fans who are content to finish 8th, go and support Arsenal then if you dont want to win things. Your a joke!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:32:24
Let the games begin....


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:32:18
Is anyone else so annoyed about how the press are facinated with thefact that liverpool rely on suarez but wait a minute suarez is only this good because probably he likes to be the " outstanding player" in a certain team if he was to go to barca he wouldnt be it wouldnt suit him. Also they all say this but would man city be were they are without yays toure would man utd be there without rooney or van persie would spurs be there without bale. Its simply bang out an unfair fair wnough he scores all our goals but why is it a problem we all know we need another goalscorer give it a rest


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:30:54
Worst performance for a long time - for BR this was all about not losing so he didn't have the headlines for the loss in the morning. We sat back and started with a very defensive team and just tried to hit them on the break.

Rodgers you are the manager of Liverpool Football Club - it is far bigger than you and will still be around long after you have gone - you and your team have got your wages this week under false pretences - you played for a draw against Swansea - shocking


Played for a draw? disappointed but not having that.look at 1st half


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:29:02
Why didn't BR sub Joe Allen?? Extremely poor game by the boy. If he's not playing in his correct position then don't play - you're exposing his shortcomings. MC $cruffy G


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:28:06
Gerrard was awful today needs replacing..


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:28:03
we did not want to win this game.
gerrard does not dominate midfield like before,looked like BR told the hole team not to go forward and take some risks.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:27:53
How long will the owners put up with Rodgers he is rubbish. He could not manage a chicken shop.


It's partially thier fault we are where we are...They are the ones who refuse to employ a well reknowned manager who is adept enough to have us competing for a top 4 spot.

Someone who is not only a good tactician, but who can spot talent and attract it. Someone who is a good man manager and can get the best out of his players. Someone who knows that Downing and Henderson are not starting 11 material.

I could go on, but the point is our owners are cheap and us fans are getting what they paid for, cheap rubbish.

How many more unproven managers are we to go through before NESV realize, "Uhm, I think we need a manager who is actually competent enough"?

Mary Hinges


A chicken shop?

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:27:46
Another lack of cutting edge, no support for Suarez, giving the ball away too much under no pressure, several going through the motions (Gerrard, Johnson, Downing, Henderson) and Allen too lightweight and negative for us! Suso not the finished article but he should have been on that pitch today!

This is gonna be a season of prolonged frustration!


Great summary


Gerrards body language appears to be going through motions agree


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:27:23
Worst game of football I have seen passing is absolutely terrible fact. Subs that came on terrible BR needs to get a grip and grow a pair and drop Gerrard can't play him every game. Very frustrated losing the will to live


'losing the will to live' go and die then!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:25:55
My prediction for the end of the season is a total of 51 points sitting at 9th or 10th in the table.


Wishful thinking 47 at best


Id be astonished if we got 51 points this season, id say 40-45, the league table never lies!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:25:42
BR is crap. Worst start in 20 years he needs to go back to swansea.


I think you need to look at dalglish mate! 120 million on a load of garbage apart from suarez and lately enrique! its not br fault, far from it, set us back light years kenny!

ian the red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:25:35
rubbish performance

no creativity for suaraz at all

i really dont like the midfield with allen and gerrard
its very sideways passing style...not dynamic and moving forward with the ball

few players played alright

but as far as im concerned....our midfield needs changing badly....
everyone keeps going on about buying forwards...but whats the point..they need to be world class cos they wont get the service...they will need to create something for themselves..just like suarez does

red lobster


Midfield IS a huge problem.Much as we do need quality uptop


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:24:51
Allen makes Poulson look good. He is rubbish total crap 15 million for that is a joke.


Then you should take his place then ! dont you how the others pass to him? he's tried his best ... most of the pass to him when he's around two players. its just bad day in the office , lacks passion , didnt really search fo free space ...

evan, Indonesia


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:24:41
Got to paint the house at the same time the next match is on. Looking forward to watching the paint dry instead of that drivel.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:22:39
Safe to say that was Nathan DYER

Cudge


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:22:16
Eds .can any liverpool fan come on here today and say we are movin forward because I don't see it aload of tipy tapy rubbish .bring back Roy


Yep we're moving forward , everyteam has their bad day in the office, and we're just having it ... btw, waht a good shot by shelvey ! and actually the first half is good, just lacks of passion in the second half...

evan, Indonesia


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:22:11
With the exception of Suarez toothless in front of goal. Johnson Man of the Match performance and what does Henderson give LFC? Nothing IMO. Need to beat Tottenham now, although will be tough
Victor


And yet they all scream for Hendo on here


Listen Henderson didnt do anything less than Allen except give less free kicks away around our box.

The Irish Rover


You're clueless if you think Henderson offers nothing. He was our best midfielder today. We lost control of the game when he went off. Allen and Gerrard were shocking but BR has no b******* to sub them off.


I, unfortunately like you, am entitled to an opinion you moron. It's people like you who drive the decent posters and the editors away from this site for good
Victor


Irish Rover yea agree with you,cos both aint good enough lad!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:21:18
What a faceless team we've become?

Being happy with the draw with Swansea isn't the stuff we've expected few years ago.

We're in desperate need of creative attacking players, doesn't matter wingers or strikers.

Appalling performance by our center midfield players.


Agreed. The game was crying for an attacking midfielder who would actually create something. The combination of Henderson, Gerrard, and Allen would be good if we were up by a few, but it lacks any real creativity.

That said, we should have probably won by at least two. I expect a 2 on 1 break with Suarez and Sterling to actually score. Sterling hit the bar. Johnson could have scored a couple of times. Same old story, really.


Who's happy? Have you not read the posts on this website? Including yours?!


Midfields carp each may have one good game here and there but non good enough to play top draw midfield role every week.Suarez looked rightlt frustrated.Makes the right runs and ball either doesnt come,or comes too late


Wait a minute Allen will excite liverpool fan BR words not mine . The British xavi (complete bolluck) the welsh Barry at best


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:09:23
Just what in a melting ice cube is going on this is just not good enough. Bad play all day long. Anyone thinks we are getting 4th are mad. I can honstly say things will improve but by golly gosh it's gonna take a long time. Makes me quite sad to see my team in this position.


Red Walter


No one thinks where getting top four.


We were played off the park at Anfield & lost the game last season under Dalglish. We've got a point & have moved up the table. Take your support elsewhere, pronto!

dd


Bugger off walter we were the better team all day long better chances, better play, goal ruled out, hit the bar. more like bad support all day long! if you dnt like it then by golly gosh go and support somebody else. cretin!

ian the red


If you come on here often enough mate-a lot do!


We also bet Chelsea utd ,Everton drew with city last season .what have we done against them this year


 

 

25 Nov 2012 15:06:59
Carry on like this Suarez will leave . This is the worst liverpool team I ve ever seen .


Hyperbole

evan , indonesia


FSG have taken us so far backwards


Im hoping it's you that will leave Liverpool!


I won't leave liverpool mate supported them for 35 years and I will still be there well after BR crap football cheers.


No dalglish has taken us so far backwards, spent fortunes on players that werent good enough simple as that! carroll a prime example!

ian the red


Thats what their too thick to get Ian.Aint Rodgers-Kenny to blame for a lot!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:32:24
I see the nameless troll have been on again during the match, at least wait until the game has finished and give some constructive views or opinions.

Red1


Yea Brendan dont make any Half Time comments to improve or change things cos the man we all know!-Cos Johnny big b lls AINT NAMELESS (lol) Says you say fook all till end. Must be why are fans were so quite today


Red 1 opinions are constructive not blind like you lad.Bet you dont know where Anfield is!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:46:39
For quite a few games now I've been watching Allen quite thoroughly and does anyone else notice that the first thing he does when the ball is coming to him is look back to see who he can pass it to? He's a good we player but he's one of the least offensive mid fielders I've seen in a Liverpool shirt.

Cudge


Goggle defensive midfielder and then google 'controller in a tiki-taka system' and get back to me.

Lucas will be fit again soon and you'll see the real Joe Allen at last. Allen is doing a job for Rodgers at the moment because of the injury to Lucas.

SpudRed


I think you forgot the great Christian Poulsen?
sama491


How many times has he given the ball away today?? Does not know how to go forward and makes silly tackles in dangerous area's. Hopefully he will improve when Lucas comes back


25 Nov 2012 15:26:24
Spud mate,

"Controller" or not, Allen was terrible today. I thought he was good at the start of the season, but he's been getting worse game on game. He'll need to improve a lot when Lucas comes back.

- Something Red -


Allen is crap


Lucas doesn't look for the closest person behind him when he gets the ball, he looks forward
So your point is spudred?

Cudge


I seen it a couple if times today before the ball had even got to him he was looking behind to see who he could pass it to. I don't think he's a rubbish player. I just think he is lacking confidence. Allen treats his pass success record like ronaldo treats his hair. He goes in a panick if there's a risk of it being messed up.

Cudge


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:35:17
Suso on for Gerrard, please.


Until BR has the bottle to put Gerrard on the bench when he aint performing then we got no hope! Would give Stevie G bit of wake up. Fergie wouldnt think twice!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:33:26
Put Enrique leftback,take Downing off.Put Suso infront've Enrique-anyone??


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:31:11
Stevie gave away a few times and poor ball outside Johnson insteadve inside.Despite that-hes our most offensive midfielder.Weve all been on about a Striker but we do need an offensive commanding midfielder.And dont feel Shelveys quite it,at least yey.Before people mention him coming on


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:27:32
Gerrards fooked up a few vtimes.Downing-wellllll.But he-Downing,and Hendo need to get involved more offensively.We should be ahead.Playing well i.m.o.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:30:01
All i want for Xmas,is somebody to buy Downing.
That is all!
WelshBoyDave


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:27:04
Didn't Gary Neville go into great depth the other night to show how a player was still onside when the defenders foot was playing him on by " centimeters " I would like to see the computer view on enriques disallowed goal
YNWA

Jamesy


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:26:51
thanks to the hawk eye lines man the only part that was off side was the hair on enrique head


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:26:35
Gerrard should announce his retirement,he is officially finished

alan50


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:26:33
Talk about rubbish ,the most boring game of football I ve ever watched .can someone now tell me how we have moved forward because I can't see it slow ,misplaced poor passing and shakey at the back .


Sorry, what match are you watching? What a total load of rubbish. Very entertaining first half in which we were clearly the better side and should have been a goal up. Again, are you talking about a differant match - no idea what you're talking about.

Biscanifyoucan


Lost this at home last season, now we have a point at theirs & we move up the table... what is the matter with you?


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:25:33
For me liverpool are looking far more efficient with enrique as winger he really is making the system work players in the box more. Although i do think johnson is better at left back to conpliment jose enrique, i think we should buy a right back not a left we look so efficient without a goal today really impressed. Henderson has been really good in breaking up play and finally gerrard has been so off the pace its bad and has been for weeks rodgers needs to grow a pair and bring suso sahin shelvey on in place.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:24:17
Gerrard has got to come off not interested wont defend or attack the box.sad but true ...muzred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:21:39
Been a long time since Gerrard rattled the net with a shot. Everything seems to hit the first man. It's painful to watch. Think is getting close to Lampard status.

-Shane.


Yes shane its a shame.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:21:38
Ed's, I know the main aim is probably a striker in January but do you know of any interest in any left backs?
Cheers {Ed002's Note - Not right now as far as I am aware.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:20:52
I hope I'm not speaking to early here but I F*****g love enrique in lm/lw... :)


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:20:49
Could be 2 or 3 goals ahead. Curse of Liverpool continues.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:18:31
Excellent display. Frustrating once more. Not so sure about the offside call. Suarez, Enrique, Johnson and Sterling all playing well. Need more from Gerrard!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:17:18
The Manager needs to be brave and take allen or Gerrard of both hopless today

both look of the pace

Enrique getting in good positions

K.O.B


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:06:16
That awkward moment when Enrique becomes one of our best performers

Canadian red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:02:25
Between Downing and Gerrard I am not sure who is worse today. Gerrard looks ready to gift Swansea a goal


 

 

25 Nov 2012 14:00:02
Get Gerrard off the field. He is having a horrible game. Worst player by country mile.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:51:47
This is the reality check I think . We are not good enough


What match are you watching? we have been playing really well....just need to finish better.....bar gerrard everyone has done their jobs pretty well imo

FanFromIndia


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:49:08
hey everyone

ive been watching for 18 mins..and henderson who seems to be behind suaraz...HAS DONE NOTHING
AND HASNT TOUCHED THE BALL!

can someone from the touchline tell him to get involved...or get lost

andy


I thought Hendo has looked ok so far, no our worst player, not even our worst midfielder so far.

davethebutcher


25 Nov 2012 14:19:10
henderson is good at tracking back which i think stevie is refusing to do for watever reason bring shelvey or suso on for gerrard me thinks.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:47:16
Ed002,

How you feeling about Benitez coming in?

Cheers,

JCS {Ed002's Note - I have no opinion on it really - Chelsea needed a manager and given the non-availability of the preferred choice had to look to what is initially a short-term solution. Clearly there are plenty who don't want him there.}


Ed002, do you think Rafa will be there longer than the 7 or so months he has signed for or will Chelsea go after their 'preferred option' again? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry. If he retains the Champions League and wins the EPL I guess there is a chance. I also very much dount that Guardiola will be moving to Chelsea.}


Who would be your "preferred" choice (realistically, obviously)?

JCS {Ed002's Note - Guardiola was the person approached. He is taking a year off and I suspect of the possibilities he will have in teh summer that Chelsea would not be his first pick.}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:32:28
Looks like Downing at left back


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:27:22
Arsenal in need of an attacking left back? Downing playing left back today? Watch this space? Hope he has a good game?
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:25:38
This is Downing's last chance to prove himself I bet. Hope he does well.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 13:24:25
Downing is left back.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:59:08
Because we are a better away side at the moment I'm going for 2-1: Suarez to score, Agger or Skyrtel are due a goal from a free kick or a corner. We do need to go for the win in both games this week 1 win and a defeat is better than 2 draws.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:58:50
hey guys

unfortunately i think swansea are a bit stronger than us so away at the liberty is not going to go well.

however i think we are on the right track in terms of development and hopefully january will show what types of players rogers goes for

red lobster


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:56:26
Downing and Henderson?? What's going on?? This is the first time I've really questioned Rodgers team selection! Big mistake, and i think we'll pay for it today! Neither of them should be anywhere near the first team!!


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:52:20
BIG News: Henderson and Downing start today against Swansea. Suso & Sahin dropped to the bench.

That's a massive call, all I can say is I hope he's got it right. Suso on after 50 mins I would, but its still got me a tad nervous.
RC


I'd have started Suso before Downing, Henderson and Gerrard...Suso has pulled the strings and created chances when he's played, the other 3 couldn't pull a hamstring (Pity).

I know that's harsh to put Gerrard in that sentence but he HAS been piss this season.

Can anyone tell me the last time/game we've had a player put through one on one with the keeper? I miss that type of football.

Mary Hinges


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:51:03
Confirmed Team against the swans:

Reina
Johnson skrtle agger Enrique
Gerrard Allen Henderson
Sterling Suarez downing

Looks strong and balanced.

0-1 Suarez.

MIKEY


Could be slightly different ?
....................Reina...................
Johnson...Sktyrtel..Agger...Downing
...................Allen......................
.Henderson....Gerrard......Enrique...
........Sterling......Suarez.............

kidmillions


Wrong. Downing playing L Fullback.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:50:05
I can't believe people who say 'Rodgers out' I predict you will be humbled by this man in years to come. I have supported Liverpool in the days when horses pissed on you queuing and Joey Jones was pumping his fist at the Kop. For any man to arrive at Liverpool and change the colour of the goal nets back to red from white says it all for me. This man is the ressurrection of Liverpool so take a step back and watch it all unfold....


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:49:36
Wow BR will get crucified if we get beat today with that lineup. Personally I'm glad Hendo has his chance, Downing might just be in the team to put him in the shop window. Glad we have a manager that will take a risk, good on you Buck.

Alan Partridge


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:46:17
Starting XI : Reina, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Agger, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Downing, Sterling, Suarez.

Phooey...


Good Hendo in, Swansea will want to hold possession, and we have seen that everytime we start to lose possession BR always put Henderson in, and we look better. Im only unsure of Downing, but lets see how the game goes. I say a good team to go against Swansea.

Kaizer


Glad to see Hendo in aswell
NAVANRED


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:44:18
Why isn't Assaidi playing? Ever?


Eh? He played Thursday, no?


I think he might be thought of as a player who is liable to give away possession trying a jinky run.

Rodgers is determined to see his new team beat his old, so i think it's an attempt to put up a very solid team to scrape a win today.

Maybe?


Hes still a bit light,was pushed off the ball very easily on thursday
NAVANRED


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:39:23
Why are people complaining about us going for Walcott? Miles better than Downing and Borini and he actually has scored quite a few goals this season and mostly off the bench. Top Signing


He's not ready for the premier league just yet
swissred


It's irrelevant anyway. He will not leave Arsenal.

Coop


Borini is a very good player, please, if you are annoyed by people slagging off are targets, then what does that make you who are quite happy slagging off our actual players compared to our targets?

In my mind slightly worse in the grand scheme of things. If you didn't slate any of our players, you'd have stayed on the moral high ground, but you stepped off the moment you sunk to the same level of those you are complaining about.

Silly really, when you think about it. I like Walcott, but i also think Borini will be a grand player for us, in time. He's not long turned 21 and he's had a injury whilst on International duty. I say give the boy time and support.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:36:15
I like the way BR gives everyone a chance, Henderson Plays well last week and given a start today aswell as blooding the youngsters. Not sure about Downing but we shall see.

Conor


He's definately willing to use the youth players and perriferal players much more than other managers we've had.

My biggest bug with Benitez is that for all his shifting and changing, he didn't blood enough young players.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:20:47
Maybe i'm setting my sights a little low but personally i think anything more than 2 points from the next 2 games would be fantastic. Looking at next months fixtures in the league i think it will define Liverpool's season, 9 points from the 3 home games is a must anything less would be a disaster. Coupled with 3 very winnable away games we could be at the right end of the table come the new year.
While i still think top 4 is out of reach this season that doesn't mean i wont support the team every week regardless of form, poor performances, orwhatever the vile papers spew out.

Prediction for today 1-1, maybe a Liverpool win if Gerrard gets his act together.

always a red


Great! Before we kicked off were going to draw against Swansea! What every Liverpool supporter wants to hear. I expect Liverpool to win every game because we can beat anyone. It won't happen but saying we're going to draw is ridiculous


No , it isn't ridiculous , it's a balanced view , to which the poster is entitled .


Just one question to that reply, how long has it been since Liverpool can beat anyone, i assume by anyone you include Udinese, Young Boys, Newcastle, Stoke, the list can go on. I'd be happy with a draw because the last two times we've played Swansea they've passed us off the park. Liverpool at the moment aren't a top 4 club, so lets accept it.

always a red


Prediction for today :
Ashley williams red carded ,suarez converts the penalty ..downing to score another..
joe allen man of the match ..


What Liverpool fan want to hear and what actually happens aren't always the same thing.

Swansea are a tough team to break down. We've had many draws this season, we have one major goal threat up front, i think ''always a red'' is level headed and is the sort of fellow/lady to give the young manager time and allow him the transitional period that should be afforded to new and young managers with different ideas.

Bravo always a red, personally, i'm hoping for a win myself. I know Rodgers is well focused on beating Swansea.


Well thank you for a well thought out reply to the last poster, its hard being a realist when the club aren't doing great, i wish we could win every week but the fact of the matter is we cant. Still lets see if we can pull off an upset against Spurs on Wednesday. Bale only has 2 or 3 good games a season and he scored today, surely he wont do it 2 in a row.

always a red


 

 

25 Nov 2012 12:09:10
It sadens me to read bad things about the one and only King everyone knows who he is so theres no need to mention his name.

Look its like this SAF has spent well over 100 Million on bad players

Mancini has spent well over 100M on average players

Mark Hughes when in charge of Manchester city spent well over 100M on terrible palayers

Wenger has spent 60-70 M on bad players in the last season or two.

This happens but when the team is bankrolled or has sufficient revenue generating capacity its not an issue.

And the players the King bought were not given a chance, one season to bed in a new team is not enough. And even at that he was still short of a player or two.

Yes the King could have played it safer, developed the team more but he went for broke it backfired thats life. If LFC were rich enough it would not matter.

No more bad stuff about the King. He runs through the very soul of the cub he is erternally etched on the spirit of the club and is just as important as Shankley.

Long Live the King.

Meercat


Ferguson has a long list of Big Money poor signings but if your at the top and consistently challenging, you escape the wrath of the critics. That's the difference? People don't say " Fergie made a bad signing" they blame the player for under achieving.
kidmillions


Firstly , please try harder to spell S H A N K L Y .

Secondly , no person has ever been bigger than the club . Therefore , when Dalglish realised he had blown £130 m ( that's £130,000,000 ) on duds , why did he not do the decent thing and resign , instead of desperately trying to hang on to his job .

Our record last season was W14 D10 L14 , a poor return for £130m .


I find it shocking that people don't recognise why Comolli was drafted in, even before Kenny was a caretaker manager, let alone before he was actually the manager.

I think if anyone looks who Damien Comolli actually claims he signed during his Liverpool time, then it will put all the matter to bed.

Kenny wanted Adam and Carroll and Downing, that's the truth of it according to Comolli. For what his word is worth, i personally think Kenny made it clear Comolli did everything he asked for, whilst not signing Young and Jones because they both wanted to go to United instead, we went for Coates and Downing.

Carroll was a huge gamble, but it was thought he'd be perfect for the job, no one would have ever predicted he'd have been as, useless as he was, for whatever reason. Much the same with Downing, we all knew the price was high, but he had done some good shifts for Villa and for England.

I love Kenny and i don't think he can be solely blamed for ''everything''. I also think he should have been given this season, i don't know why he was sacked. I imagine he told John W. Henry to go and make a cup of tea, in a Scottish lovingly way, but we have a new manager now.

If giving a manager out of the game for close to 10 years £125 million pound is even 100% believable, then who's fault is it really?

If someone had a doubt about the spending, or the amount going on our targeted transfers, then again, why did no one raise a concern at board room level, or higher?

Kenny can't be held to the post on this one and certainly not without Comolli or FSG. That's my feelings on it, I also think if Liverpool beat Chelsea then Kenny would have been given another go.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:51:56
Buzzing for today a win will put us right up there! We cannot not afford a draw or loss today it will be a waste after so many teams above us drew and lost! Just think if we hadnt got cheated out of that goal against Everton we could be going 5th. That's something for the moaners to think about because that goal was fact not opinion like refs decisions. I'm bringing it up because people need to realise we are doing well. Come on Liverpool!

Londonred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:50:52
I think redknapp and benitez will do well at their new clubs.
At least short term.
I think both are good coaches and will get the most out of the teams, but both would be best working under a DOF.
I see neither having any long term success though, especially rafa as he will get sacked regardless in the summer.

MIKEY


Well how can you have long term succcess on a six minth contract and especially when you think he will be sacked, being sacked and successful are mutually exclusive.


Rafa can't be sacked in the summer. His contract is only until the end of the season.


That's my point second poster. But even if he got a longer contract I can't see him doing well there.
And 3rd poster stop being picky.

MIKEY


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:35:34
2 big games this week
Time for lfc to stand up and be counted.
6pts up for crabs . come on you red men show us what warring the shirt means.
Swansea 1 Liverpool 4
Spurs 1 Liverpool 2.
Marker


Nice typo there. Lol
Very optimistic against the swans their mate. I feel we will be lucky to win that one.

MIKEY


1-1 vs Swansea coz they r difficult to beat at home. 1-3 win at spurs coz they r average under AVB.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:33:39
Well we go to the ground today of one of our biggest bogey teams ever. Our record against Swansea is appalling, even when they were last in the top flight under Toshack, they always beat us.

They have beat us already this season, and took 4 points off us last season. We shouldn't be nervous of playing such sides, but hey, this is Liverpool we are talking about - can beat anyone on their day, but can also, and often do, get beat by anyone. I guess the good thing is, we are away from home, as our record at Fortress Anfield is a complete and utter joke.

Hoping like hell for 3 points, but truthfully can't see us getting anything from the game, except a lesson in passing - again.

KBL


Brendan will have his new sports psychologist hypnotize the liverpol team and Reina and Skyrtel among others will give the swans a hand if you catch my drift

Swansea will run out winners and we all will be left wondering why but it will be an inside job.

Oh the perils and pleasures of adultry.

Meercat


Good morning sunshine!


Oh, the support and comfort of a dictionary

Redpath


Maybe mate its just a good education


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:22:50
Eds fellow reds , what do you think today guys.? Remembering they completely rip us apart a month ago .i think we might get lucky draw .


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:15:29
Is it worth reading into the missing Theo Walcott from Arsenal and their bench yesterday?

Or, is Walcott ill/injured do we know?

Wenger was in one of his deflecting moods judging by his comments, apparently directed at a sectioned of disillusioned Gooner fans. {Ed002's Note - He was out injured with a shoulder problem - perhaps he did it whilst packing?}


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:12:12
Three players Liverpool should brake the bank for and win the prem next year.... Cavani 35m Zahar 15m and Isco 20m


Along with , Chelsea man utd city Madrid barca . Yeah we will get them in on the 1st January just to be sure .dream on ....we struggled to sign Dempsey so be realistic mate will be a couple of 6-8 million or loans in jan


Break the bank or put LFC into administration there is a fine lne when your owner is not an oil barron.

Meercat


 

 

25 Nov 2012 11:05:40
What we need is to spend big on 2 or 4 youth players, neymar, Lucas, munain and hummels. Bang them all on 5 year contracts. Imagine adding these 4 to our current squad, it would cost us a lot of money, but there is no doubt we'd be challenging not just champions league but champions of Europe and England


We would be challenging in the championship if we spend money like that and end up in administration mate.

MIKEY


I heard Baku Fc have appointed a 21 year old guy as their manager because of his proficiency in football manager ..why don't you apply for some such posts mate ?
Your player choices are excellent .. Lol


 

 

25 Nov 2012 10:51:39
Progress, slow but sure.

Now we have all been frustrated at times this season, many have become numb after the project got restarted with a new manager.

But, things are improving slowly and in the fundamental areas. We've had are fair share of draws lately and we've conceded some hard and tough goals to take, at crucial times of play, even a dodgy linesman decision here, there and Goodison.

But Liverpool are now unbeaten in seven league games, their longest run without defeat since November last year when they were undefeated in eight. Only Manchester City in the top-flight, who have yet to lose, have a longer unbeaten run this season.

That's a huge positive and we've done it by relying on the squad as a whole, okay Suarez is getting the goals and the glory, but he's 1 of 11 doing a job. Rodgers sets his teams up to have a focused goal scorer, who better than the trick, flick and slick Suarez?

Rodgers is playing to his strengths, whilst not being afraid or fearful of correcting a problem in the middle of the first half, he's getting the very best from Suarez, he's incorporating the youth lads. The board/owners have come out and said we will strengthen come January, as well as Lucas coming back from injury and so will Borini come mid January, who i believe strongly will be a success for LFC.

BoriniCanDoIt.


I agree with what you say but if you draw 28 of your 38 matches your points are not good enough to stay in the league ,just hope we get to January with Luis not missing a game or two ,then it's down to fsg to show there worth ,talk is cheap .let what and see shall we


BR loves talking he's brilliant at it, at worst probably only second to fergie but unlike fergie he does not deliver the goods.

Meercat


 

 

25 Nov 2012 10:44:13
Hi ed002. Nevada made a comment earlier about selling naming rights to the stands but not the ground. I just wondering if there is enough financial incentive to do this? Would it generate much income to make it worthwhile? Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - There would be very little I would think. The benefit of naming rights would be to get visibility and publicity for an organization. That comes with the naming of a stadium (the Emirates etc.) but few stands get a mention. One that does of course is the Kop, but it will always be referred to as the Kop. Naming it the "Kelloggs' Kop", "Krispy Kreme Kop" or whatever would not change how it is referred to.}


After the Suarez saga, I fear "Krispy Kreme Kop" would cause us no end of problems Ed!


If they renamed the kop the fans would tear it down and take it home.
I know ed002 said there was no plans to sell naming rights to the stadium but I think when the works all done that might change.

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - I was always of the opinion that a new stadium would certainly have naming rights sold but was unsure what they would do with a refurb. It was not out of the question that they would sell the rights but I understand that is off the table right now as an idea.}


How about naming it the
"the theatre of dreams"

or has that been done already?


25 Nov 2012 17:35:40
I have heard that they wish to offer the stadium name for sale as (brand/companyname)@anfield . For example toyota@anfield etc etc. That way they retain Anfield in the name.
RED LENIN


 

 

25 Nov 2012 10:16:47
Maybe we could get Felipe Melo, not as a midfielder but as a goalkeeper because he saved a penalty yesterday!


Suarez mate, he's played in goal in training at ajax


 

 

25 Nov 2012 09:56:41
Looking forward to the game today , I think it will be a tough game, 2 sides trying to keep the ball.

I am worried that the Swans keep the ball a bit better and seem to be very effective on the break.

I think we will have to make sure we take our chances today as I think Swansea will score .
I would hope Allen plays DCM as he has good discipline and of he is told to sit he sits, sahin& Stevie G get caught out ahead of the ball to often leaving us wide open.

I would also look at Joe Cole again up front as the Swans are not the fastest team at the back and Joe might get some luck .Also he needs to show he can do it in the Prem if he wants to stay, would rather have an impact sub if we need it later than Cole.

I think if we play 3 at the back we can dominate the ball but might struggle to score as we will be using the width and at the moment we are poor at converting crossed chances.I would definitely opt for strenghth through the middle to help win the battle and stop them playing.
Whatever happens togetherness is key as Swansea will be confident as in the last 2 games they have , took us apart at times.

The biggest mistake was Williams mouthing off about Suarez .He is unplayable when he looses his rag and I think he will target Williams all day.
I can see Suarez given Williams a lesson so My prediction is - (a nailbitting win) 2-1


Cole played the other night.
I'm not sure he can play 2 games in the space of 2 months let alone a week.

MIKEY


 

 

25 Nov 2012 09:54:04
January outs

Downing 6-10 million.
Cole 2-3 million.
Wilson 1-2 million.
Pacheco (loan).


January ins.

Mauro Zarate. 6-7 million.
Klaus Jan Huntelaar. 6-10 million.


Jonesred.


Who in their right mind would pay anything for old king cole?

Maybe big Ron in his hey day but few else!


Wilson's already on loan to Bristol City


 

 

25 Nov 2012 09:44:51
Eds,

Have Liverpool consider to buy another Defensive Midfield?
I think we need 2 defensive mid.
Joe Allen is gud for covering, but not all the game he's provide good cover.

Lucas just recover.Any name?


Mikhail. {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any interest in a DM right now.}


Here is one we have been linked with signing in this next transfer window in January

DM:Vicente Iborra - 24 - Levante - price 6-9m euros


Allen does lots of covering considering gerrard can no longer cover the ground he used too and that sahin isn't the most mobile.
derryred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 09:44:19
Taken from net yesterday.


Lazio are having buyer's blues after dishing out around €20 million for Mauro Zarate in 2009. The Argentine had a really successful loan spell with the Biancazzurri, where he led them in a successful Coppa Italia campaign. However, the 25 year old has failed to regain that form since, and rumours in the Italian media are circulating that the former Birmingham City player could be on his way out of the club this winter.

Liverpool and Stoke City are reportedly willing to spend no more than €7 million on the player, which is being deemed low by Lazio for a player of Zarate's calibre. A couple of seasons ago the Reds were ready to offer €17 million to pair up the Argentine with Fernando Torres but clearly two sub-par seasons have witnessed a real drop in the player's valuation.

Lazio has also received an offer from Genoa but it seems that Zarate has set his heart on a return to the Premier League or a move to La Liga and hence, one would expect both Stoke and Liverpool to be right up there amongst the favourites to sign the player.

Liverpool and Stoke City though would do a lot better in considering a player who has a proven track record rather than fixating their hopes on the potential of a player.

I do hope we pull this off along with the Huntelaar deal. That would give us two quality strikers for a fee in the region of 17 million which is great business if we manage to pull it off.

Jonesred.


Tell me Zarete's goal to game ratio last season?Think he scored 2 in twenty somthing. How is taking a Lazio reject good business? Is it not obvious that hiss club are willing to take such a massive loss on him so soon for a reason. He ain't the answer to our prayers Jonesred, no where near.
It's amazing how easy you'd accept a player with his form recently. Nothing to do with him having a more exotic name then Austin who fans would poo poo cause he's English. JohnBoy


£8m for Zarate: Forward no.17
£8m for Bernard: Left Winger no.13
£6m for Huntelaar: Striker no.9
is all we need for the rest of this season. under the price we'd get for sell Carroll.

Downing out £8m - Bernard replacing him
Cole out £3m


net spending at around £11m - £14m

in the summer
a world class Attacking Midfielder
Defensive Midfielder that is actually a defensive midfielder by trait
Center Back replacement for Carra
Fullback Cover

& Sending a lot of players out on loan

Ngoo
Sama
Flanagan
Pelsoi
Bijev (if he hasn't got a work permit still)
Teixeira
Coady (if not released)
Wilson (if not sold)


So what his goals per game ratio was poor last year does that mean from the age of 25-32 he would score the same amount every year?.


Some players move clubs and se a complete change in them. We were chasing him in case you didn't know three seasons back and were prepared to pay 17-20 million for him.

So 7 million now for a twenty five year old who's already played in prem ( and did well) isn't good business?

Stick with your Charlie Austins mate and good luck with them.

Jonesred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 08:30:37
morning eds hope all is well what a site love it.i would just like too say best of luck too are boys today,i cant wait for 1.30pm and the game too start come on the boys lets have the win red men.it will be the win that pushes us up too the top half of the table.i cant wait too see lucus back in are 1st team he is almost there see you soon lad,we have missed him big time.and im hoping we get 1 or 2 class players in jan,players that can help us push on up the table to 4th,in fsg,BR,and the boys i trust.win lose or draw as always im red till dead,jay essex red for life red till dead.....cheers eds


 

 

25 Nov 2012 08:24:24
We could go to 8th today! Should be around 6th by Christmas prior to some transfer relief up front for Suarez.

Encouraging! C'mon lads.

Levans.


Not just 8th but possibly a mere 6pts off 4th!
Not bad considering how awful our start to the season has been.. Teams around us dropping points weekly now.. we need to capitalise on it and take our chances!
Im not sure we will catch 4th but im hopeful of a better end to the season with a view to kicking on next and being a real force of contention..
ItsnotRocketScience


Erm....we haven't won just yet


 

 

25 Nov 2012 07:25:04
Any chance of tom rogic in january ..? 19 yr old missed out coming up with reading cos of working visas or something but now there all gd.. Huge potential


 

 

25 Nov 2012 05:58:23
No big name striker will come in January as it would take all our Funds available in January to do so, therefore the aim is to buy two maybe three players would will improve the attacking threat by replacing Downing and possibly Cole.

A striker who can play across the front row will however be targeted so that we have cover for Suarez.

The three players who i would like Liverpool to sign are:

Striker/Wide Forward: Mauro Zarate - true he isn't/hasn't been lighting up the scene lately with performances but he is still young enough be successful at a top top level in our system. he can play in all front position CF-SS-LWF & RWF. his distance finishing is pretty good and he movement and skill on the ball around the box can be likened to Suarez in a nut shell he is a poor mans Aguero. he also has that small South American build that seem to really thrive in the premier league; Zola, Tevez, Suarez, Aguero, Hernandez etcc...that low center of gravity that makes those players strong on the ball, creativity, drive and a goal threat which is what we need. for £8m (10m euros) would be a good investment.

Winger(predominantly right but also left): Ricardo Quaresma - winger to replace Downing it say's something when a 18 year old comes fresh from the academy and straight into the starting 11 above a player we spent 20m on. (and im talking about suso not sterling). We need a quick fix solution on the right wing and no other names players with the quality he has are available. perhaps Jeffren or Tello but it would be harder to get any of them than Quaresma. He is a creative player so it would benefit us having players around Suarez who can create chances for him and others. 3m euros, which is a price FSG would pay seeing what they were willing to offer for dempsey £4m or Henderson or Downing or Adam to Fulham.

Attacking Midfielder: Luciano Vietto - 18 years old, bags of potential and its better to get him when the price is good. he has clubs like Juve, Real Madrid watching him along with Liverpool. if we can get a offer on the table first under the radar then it would be a very good purchase: £5m

Out
Downing £8m
Cole £2m

{Ed002's Note - Luciano Vietto was another one of the South American players that Liverpool took a look at last summer. There has also been interest shown by Palermo and Real Madrid.}


I'd rather we looked in land than plug for Zarate.

I'd be happy with Quaresma, happy with young Vietto but Zarate isn't all that and i don't think ever was.


So we can be a team of premaddonnas. 4 years ago if you told me we were going to sign these two i would've been excited, but now i'm afraid they're too much of a gamble.
derryred


 

 

25 Nov 2012 04:46:29
Eds cud we even entertain the idea that if Chelsea get pep and Rodgers doesn't please the owners criteria,................... rafa back?


We could entertain the idea......and then send it to bed without its dinner

cozinoz


Why is it so difficult for people to understand that BR is here for the long term? Can we plz forget Rafa? He is gone. Br will take us forward, n as far as pleasing the owners, what exactly does that mean? When did liverpool become a brothel that our owners have to be pleased? They r smart enough to know top4 isnt realistic for some time.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

25 Nov 2012 04:30:57
Spot on YNWA. Them three teams should not be above us. End of story.
Why does Rodgers require 'rebuilding' time yet Laudrup and especially Clarke have hit the ground running. Both of them managers did not have money to spend in the summer and did not have great squads to work with. There are too many excuses as to why Liverpool have not performed but the performance of WBA so far this season blows the 'give the new manager time' argument and 'we have had a tough start in terms of fixtures' argument right out of the water.
Our position in the table is a disgrace considering that our team includes players such as Gerrard, Suarez, Agger, Reina, etc.
___________________________________

Whoever posted this clearly cannot see the wood for the trees. Laudrup and Clarke aren't managing Liverpool FC.

Look at what happened to Hodgson when he came from Fulham to take on the LFC job. Roy did a great job at Fulham but was clearly not cut out to manage the Reds. Roy then went to WBA and also did pretty well there. The Fulham and WBA jobs are nothing compared to that of LFC. Same as a player like Downing who was a top player at Villa but cannot get to grips with the big club mentality at LFC.

How can you compare the Swansea and WBA job to that of the LFC job which is a monstrosity? Are you suggesting that Laudrup or Clarke will stroll in and turn things around in not even a half a season if given the opportunity to manage LFC?

Why can people not think for themselves before they post a load of hogwash?

Red4Life


Swansea have had manager after manager gradually build them up to the team they are now.. Paolo souso, Martinez, Rodgers and now Laudrup gets the benifits

Same with WBA. hodgson left Clarke a pretty well organised side..

Liverpool have not been a good side since Rafa and even then we wasnt good enough.. We went backwards with Hodgson and Dalglish pulled us together enough to reach a might 8th!

And as others have said.. LFC is a much bigger project with bigger expectations than Swansea or WBA.. both of which will not finish in the top 8 at the end of the season..
ItsNotRocketScience


Set up and infrastructure just needed tweaking at West Bromwich and Swansea. Not a major rebuilding job that's required at Liverpool. Original poster talking out of their hole.
JohnBoy


"LFC is a much bigger project with bigger expectations than Swansea or WBA."

In the past mate

Welcome to the new reality

Where money dominates and looking in the rear view mirror gets you nowhere

Grape Ape


Sadly money does sometimes dominate but honestly, look at chelsea and man city...player for player if money is it that mattered they would not only win the premiership but probably should be euro champs also. Yet man city cant get past first group stages and chelsea struggling too

History does matter and while LFC may not be as good as chelsea or man city currently...i bet we would have played a better game against the opposition man city and chelsea have had in the champions league
Gareth


 

 

25 Nov 2012 02:53:21
A win today would take us to about 8th place, 2 points from Arsenal.


 

 

25 Nov 2012 01:06:15
What the hell is wrong with the official website? Trying to find out if the match tomorrow is on TV and just keep getting this pop up about cookies covering the screen :-/ anyone know if it's on tv and if so what channel? Cheers guys


It's on sly sport1


25 Nov 2012 10:32:13
Thank you :-)


 

 

25 Nov 2012 01:00:29
Which 2 players currently playing in the Premiership do you think would improve us the most if we could have them in our squad? My 2 would be Baines and Aguero? Think if we had them 2 we'd be up the top of league, with Lucas fit as well of course. Which 2 do you think?
kidmillions


Hazard + mata


I'd have Mata/Oscar as the CAM and Van Persie in the striker role with Suarez pushed out wide. Mata/Oscar for the much needed creativity and Van persie to finish those chances off.


Mata + Hart


Silva and Aguero


Yaya Toure and Aguero


Defoe- poacher to feed off Suarez
Walcott- speed
Imagine the trouble defences organising any
Of Suarez,sterling,suso,Defoe or walcott


Van Persie and Rooney


If Money was no problem :
Silva + Dzeko.

I think Dzeko is all we'd need up front, he's strong and mobile and he takes many of his chances.

Silva, the one that got away for many a red fan, he's all we'd need or any team would need to move and glide the ball forward. He's a tremendous player, even when he's not making assists and scoring the odd goal.

Silva is a 'split second player', he can create an opening in the defence just like that, i personally think Suarez would thrive on Silva's through balls and once the City manager works that out, we'll be saying goodbye to one fantastic player. (What, people don't think it's realistic to foresee that ''if'' Suarez keeps scoring and gets 20 goals+ in the Prem, that City won't be buying him? Hmm)

I know Dzeko is a mercenary when it comes to finances, he got a huge percentage of his transfer to City, 22% i think, not sure how much went to the agent, but some admire that. Personally it erks me some what.

But finances aside, i think we'd be 4th place or stronger.


Baines and aquero would be very nice. Personally i would have walcott and aquero. Walcott as we need some pace and a wing man
gareth


Hernandez and Ben Arfa .


Everyone knows we are crying out for a striker and you would have a midfielder and a goalkeeper?


Suarez would be wasted wide. All the best players through time have or do play through the middle. Aguero and Mata get my vote.
JohnBoy


Silva & Aguero (with Baines a close third.

Jonesred


I'd take Hart and aguero, Suarez needs some help up front and we could also do with a keeper without a weakness for near post shots

Nevada


Harts just got one at the far post instead. Take a look at some of time goals he's conceded.
JohnBoy


Howard Webb & Sir ErmErm let me clear my throat slodge


I would take aguero and mata probobly if i could get any, narrowly ahead of emerson boyce.
good stuff kidmillions for starting some debate.
derryred


25 Nov 2012 12:17:04
Above poster got my vote


Thought Kun Aguero would have been everyone's idea of the perfect player upfront with Suarez and Sterling.


Ben arfa and yaya toure


Nani - (even though i don't like him, but wouldn't mind in with his talent)
Cabye - AM

.........Suarez...........
Nani, Cabaye, Sterling


 

 

25 Nov 2012 00:32:17
Anyone hear the Ashley Williams interview on Sky Soccer Saturday? When asked to compare Laudrup and Rodgers styles.He mentioned a couple of points,but one being-"We now don't pass for passes sake,were encouraged to do so,but with an end product,of ensuring shot on goal".Now i think Rodgers is doing ok.But even Blue s ite players made similar comments in relation to our style when responding to Stevies comments.Now of late i think we've improved on end product.But where we are passing needlessly is at the back lately.Bringing pressure on ourselves.Need to cut down on a lot


I think it's a typical comment made before a game, by an average player.

The best thing he could do would be to shut up. Suarez will destroy him tomorrow.

Joe


Couldnt agree more Joe, great response!

Ciario


Im not sure we will destroy Swansea? They are a good team with a good manager, while unproven perhaps.

I think we will win the game but wouldnt be suprised to see a very tight game. Defensively we are not toght enough yet and swansea will scare us from time to time and do have the players to casue us problems.
If Suarez is in top form i think he scores a couple...just hope we do win Joe

gareth


 

 

25 Nov 2012 00:24:53
Come on LFC, come on boys.Tough game but lets have the 3 points.Got to concentrate at the back more! Especially you-Reina!


Yes a few saves and no flaps would be nice for a change


 

 

24 Nov 2012 23:43:32
Anyone know if Michael Owen is auditioning for the Village People? Looks a dead ringer for that cowboy singing YMCA.
Robbie


Haha i thought he looked like george michael, for a good cause though


Lol he looks like a flowerpower dude from the 70s


^^^ killed it!
huxleypig


 

 

 
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