Liverpool Banter Archive October 25 2011

 

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25 Oct 2011 23:15:44
Ha , dont think danny wilson , skrtel or carra , are as good as cahill , so are they just average , and talk of kelly at CB , not yet , and coates , too early , wilson too small , agger is my first choice CB , we need a class player next to him .redforever .


We have a class player next to him, and by the time he retires the young lads will be ready


I think at the age is 20, its quite enough if we step Coates up. He is old enough to be a regular. and is quite great, too.


How old are Phil Jones and Chris Smalling?
Coates and Kelly would be an excellent partnership right now! Carragher is too slow and a liability in pacey games now,. Skrtel has never been any good. Agger just lives on paracetamol and morphene!

Reina
Johnson Kelly Agger/Coates Enrique
Henderson Gerrard Lucas Downing
Suarez Kuyt/Carroll

YNWA! (Adam)


 

 

25 Oct 2011 23:09:39
Ed, do you think you could pay a club a certain amount of money for them to release the player, who we then sign on a free transfer?

MoJo {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean.}


In essence, that's how a transfer works. The fee paid from buyer to seller is to break the contract, and thus you negotiate your own terms with the player (for a completely new contract).

McSnuggles


 

 

25 Oct 2011 22:45:04
Team for Stoke?

Reina

Kelly Carra Agger Enrique

Lucas

Gerrard Downing

Suarez

Carroll Bellamy

maka


I think doni has to have a go if fit. and give spearing and a few more fringe players a go.


I don't think Doni is fit. Don't see the point of playing Spearing as Henderson and Lucas both need game time. I'd like to see us play:

Reina
Kelly-Carragher-Coates-Enrique
Bellamy-Lucas-Henderson-Aurelio
Gerrard
Carroll

Get Coates in for his aerial ability and give Kelly a start due to his fine form, but have Carra and Enrique there to protect and advise them. Play Bellamy to be direct and Aurelio to cross it in. Have Lucas covering and Henderson linking up. Have Gerrard running the final third, and Carroll to finish off the moves. Only drop Adam if Aurelio starts, as I think set-pieces could be key to this one

Red Ollie

Red Ollie


 

 

25 Oct 2011 22:43:25
macca is there any news on the stadium


 

 

25 Oct 2011 21:58:51
Any websites or foreign channels to watch the Stoke game on that anyone knows of?

Kris the Red


It's in itv isn't it?


Not on ITV you are not in the Champions League.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 21:42:39
I hope we get to see Carroll and Bellamy up front together vs Stoke. I think the two could be an immense combination. Could then bring on Suarez later on when the stoke's legs are tired and clumsy, and he'll tie them in knots.

Stoke can beat us to every header, but with Carroll we would stand a chance. Then we need somebody quick in between to nick in the gaps.

I just get the feeling the communication between Carroll and Suarez isn't strong enough yet. A clear understanding is vital.

I'm sick and tired of Carroll being criticised. Scored in the derby, and we lost points without him. What does that say? Defenders hate the presence of him. Dalglish must've seen a long term plan for him otherwise he wouldn't have made such a bold purchase. Dalglish is no fool, and anybody who second guesses him are the fools.

Jacob red


Andy and Craig played togther against rangers and it didnt work.


Andy was totally disinterested in that match - he only playes the big ones


 

 

25 Oct 2011 21:12:53
Just got in from footy training an come straight onto banter. Have to say its becoming a farce what some posters are writing about Andy Carroll. Olsen and Scharner did play well against him last season but humiliate him get a grip, the only club out of the top 4 he never bagged against last season was Utd. Chris give your head a shake and get this obsession out of your head. Write your own post about Liverpool or the Everton game or the just a positive post full stop instead of just replying to anti Carroll posts or posts about him full stop. We know you dont like him went dont rate him you tell us every day. Never heard a peep from you after the Everton game. But suprise suprise, give it a week or 2 and bang another Cilla Black moment. Their you are ripping the guy each and every chance you get. Fair enough some people dont rate him like your self, i do, some others do, but most of the fans still want him to do well re except you it seems. But end of the day re the size of his transfer fee, i think if would've been as suprised as anyone i dare say and wasn't set by himself. He's our player and i will support whoever plays for us. The difference in my opinion between most posters who dont rate him imo is that you really want him to fail to be proved right. We've not got Llorente, move on, change the record its getting sad and boring now. Jonson6


Nearly as sad and boring as your overrating of him which you do more often than I slate him. Get a grip of yourself it's my opinion and this site, in fact football in general, is all about opinions. You don't agree with me and I dont agree with you. As I've said before stop taking it personally

Chris in Tamworth


Chris and Jonson6, the love, hate relationship just without the love.

Got to say though this time im with Jono, a bit of support wouldn't go a miss -McMenemy


I don't know about you guys, but i'm looking forward to the game tomorrow.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:54:31
Quick question Ed. Gun to your head, do you think AC will eventually come good. And by come good, I mean be a regular 1st teamer for years to come for LFC. I know noone can predict the future, but based on what you have seen of him for Liverpool and Newcastle, what would your opinion be? Preferably a Liverpool supporting Ed for this one (no offence Ed 002.)

Ash {Ed001's Note - it depends on the system we use, he is not my type of player, but he is effective at what he does. I just can't see us ever getting the most out of him.}


The first time I ever agreed with ed001 I must be unwell


That's why Carroll must be sold, kenny confused him for shearer and carroll is not shearer


I do think we're using him wrong - I don't want to see Big Andy running the channels and moving out to the left-wing, it's not what he's good at. Once we learn to let Suarez, Downing and Kuyt/Henderson do the running and have Carroll to finish the moves off he will look far better. At the moment it's a case of the whole team settling in and Carroll desperately trying to impress the doubters with his workrate. He should just camp on the edge of their box and let the team play around him

Red Ollie


I mentioned this the other day, I'm disappointed in thee lack of quality crosses into the box, in particular from Downing. It may just take time but Enrique delivery's has been a greater threat, however Andy's movement and timings of runs have to improve also...

Richards


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:40:13
Anyone been watching Blackpool lately? Shelvey looks as comfortable on the ball as anyone I've seen at that age, no surprises there. But the real star at the moment is Tom Ince. He's fast, direct and looks a really useful player right now

Red Ollie


So he will soon be asking for a pay rise.


I dont want any of the ince family near the club ever again.


The lad's his own person, give him a chance.

McSnuggles


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:34:09
I have been reading loads of comments for the last year or so about my team, I think it's a generation thing and the younger supporter is to soon to moan about teams and players when it does not happen fast enough. If you know anything about football all the top teams can beat each other this year even man city with all the money it take consistent hard working football to win a league solid performers with a good engines. By the way Liverpool are putting some excellent performances together best football I have seen for some years!!!


All young people these days want everything in an instant, that's why they go rioting to steal Tv's and trainers as they can't be bothered saving up their pocket money. Technology makes things instant and they expect everything this minute with their Iphones and Facebook, they'd rather get a MCdonalds than make a home cooked meal. Same goes for their football teams, they weant to win the league in September. No patience kids these days.
None of you young urchins better come trick or treating round my house either or you'll get a clip round the ear.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:36:27
A gentle reminder for everyone that there is still a very bad smell permeating around the place was pointed out to me today.
page 8 of the daily fail, think about who runs that toilet paper and read on:
story about Gadaffi and his last days, his murder squads and his demise. Interesting to some maybe.
However there was a little blocked in piece about his last days how he spent them sitting round drinking tea. Helpfully there is a photo of this.. the end of a despot responsible for the deaths of thousands, a dictator who tortured his own people and the photo? Guess what thats of? The mug he supposedly was drinking his tea from. Why?
Because its a Liverpool FC mug!
Gadaffi faced justice...one day you'll be dragged out of your sewer and on that day.. so will you, you lying scumbag!


I don't usually go near that rag mate. but I had a peek. What a stupid thing to print, during a sensitive time. Who cares what cups Gadaffi drinks from? It dosn't supprise me, the lengths this scumbag will go to, to smear our great club. Bin Laden was an Arsenal fan, but who gave a toss?

I hate him so much, I hope he dies a slow painful death.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. Don't buy the S*n and don't buy the M*il.


Cant say he didn't have taste.
But we have so many fans we can afford to lose one.

MIKEY


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:31:39
Thinking stoke should not be playing a full team tomorrow? Don't know how big the squad is but flying high in the epl and europa league,am I alone in thinking Pulis won't mind not having the distraction of the carling cup? Welshboy Dave


Hope so welshboy dave,we need a wembley game get the spirit up,if we can bag europe by feb it gives us chance to relax,sometimes i think we panic cause of expectation!

swedish adam


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:27:41
saw a post earlier today about Carragher.
Whilst not totally disagreeing with the
sentiments I do not want anyone to think
this post was from me

Puzzled

(ger your own call sign)


Yes the post was from me

danny


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:18:55
lets not go on about Carroll,chelsea bought us him anyway,with the traitors money...6 points deffo save against newcastle anyway,especially with the snail at the back...(CARRA)...


 

 

25 Oct 2011 19:09:55
Hi Ed, do you think that Luuk de Jong would be good enough to be our leading goalscorer? We have been dying for a clinical finisher to put away our chances.
Boss site btw {Ed001's Note - yes.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 18:47:14
Chris in Tamworth,unlike swedish adam,you talk sense! But the original post was referring to last year! And if you honest to god hand on heart thought this time last year Dzeko was value for money your wrong! Moving to a new club takes time,as Dzeko has proven! A good striker is a good striker. All I'm saying is players cannot maintain 100% top form all year! So I agree,judge end of year,not just when Dzeko is on form and Carroll isn't,cause that's just bashing the lad for the sake of it! Welshboy Dave


I agree with some of what you say mate but Dzeko was certainly value for money last year (as much as any footballer is these days!) because of his record over the previous 3 years both at club level and even at international level if my memory serves me correctly.
Admittedly I'm always going to be devils advocate when it comes to Carroll because I never rated him and I wanted Llorente.

Chris in Tamworth


35 mil brings expectation though... Dzeko did not cost that much, and to a team like Manc that was spare change. 35 mil is a massive massive amount to pay for any striker. Newcastle built their team around Caroll, but now look at their team, and they haven't even spent the Caroll money yet. Liverpool should have gone for Rossi, Falco or Hulk. Also, buying Caroll when he was injured, isnt that what happened with a certain Itailian player who cost a massive amount too? {Ed001's Note - Dzeko was not far short of 35m, he was over 32.5m.}


Welshboy dave give up you me and every other fan know he is not worth 35 million! there is no argue you can give that will change my mind,dzeko has done it at top level football for a few years now carrol had 6 good months! if we brought carrol for 10 million max 15 million id say yeah its a gamble worth taking,not 35,and def not after a injury!

swedish adam


'Liverpool should have gone for Rossi, Falco or Hulk'. I like Rossi and Falco, but Hulk? I think that Hulk is a good player but not as good as he thinks he is. Hulk has got a 100 mill buyout clause, I wouldn't go no more than 20.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


6 months after City bought Dzeko he was not worth 32m despite his previous record.....after a year people have changed their minds. Give Andy Carroll your support (if you ARE a supporter) and chances are he will excel. It's not blind optimism....its just a case of giving the player every chance possible to prove himself.

cozinoz


 

 

25 Oct 2011 18:38:06
I believe that a lot of peoples disappointment about Sat was because we played so well and just couldnt get the second which we deserved after creating so many chances. But we played really well against Norwich and have done this season spurs apart. Some of our football is really good at the moment.

I believe that Suarez needs more protection off refs. He gets clattered a lot from defenders and always seems to get the rough end from refs. Once we convert our chances everything will click into place nicely.

Mighty reds


Which is why Mr Ferguson has started with the mind games by slagging off Suarez- make refs think twice about giving the free kicks. Suarez has clearly got him rattled after tearing Utd's defence apart again. MOTD interviewer didnt even challenge it! Worried he'll get upset again and wait another 7 years for an interview.


Sorry mate, there's no denying Suarez's ability, but he hardly ripped the defence apart in our last meeting.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 18:37:02
i hear suarez has been nominated for the Ballon D'or?
more than deserved if you ask me.

Greedy9


I heard suarez has been nominated for a emmy for all the play acting he does shameful really and not waht Liverpool deserves


Lol Suarez doesn't dive or play act he just goes and plays football and very well indeed. You jelous critics can try and clutch at as many straws as you like, the boy is quality and has a massive future ahead of him.


If suarez doesn't dive does he suffer from vertigo 'cos he can't stand on his own two feet?


 

 

25 Oct 2011 18:24:49
Andy Carroll starts against Everton has good game and scores, doesn't feature in united, Norwich games comes in the last ten minuites and misses a header but his size and strength is what made that header possible, that entire game crosses went in with no one getting more than a glancing header kuyt missed many headers when he could had done better and suarez is no target for a cross.

People say when carroll is on we play long ball football but everytime Reina got the ball vs norwich it he booted it up to suarez who got man handled everytime but due a whisper in the ear by old alex refs will now expect that its suarez's fault. I hope Carroll plays vs Stoke and or West brom as he needs to prove a point and prove wrong the doubters -McMenemy


I hope he plays against West Brom if only because he needs to pay Olsen and Scharner back for the way they humiliated him last season

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

25 Oct 2011 18:06:52
Why don't liverpool bid for some serious defenders? Shawcross and Cahill would be ideal centre backs for us they fit the profile of English and young. what do you think Ed? {Ed001's Note - both are not good enough, they are seriously average maybe.}


I know you're not Cahill's biggest fan but he's better than Skrtel and at the moment the only serious competition to Carragher, Skrtel and Agger is Danny Wilson. Kelly and Wisdom are good but untested at cb. Signing Cahill couldn't hurt imo {Ed001's Note - have you forgotten Coates?}


Danny wilson was a giant for rangers,wouldnt say he was untested!


 

 

25 Oct 2011 17:45:44
Eds do you see a start for agger and aurelio tomorrow?

Also i think he will start with Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy tomorrow do you agree eds?

Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - Agger certainly, I would think Robinson has a chance of a start rather than Aurelio though. I would expect Carroll to play as well.}


Aurelio left wing


I think we'll play:

Reina
Kelly-Carragher-Agger-Robinson
Kuyt-Lucas-Gerrard-Maxi
Suarez-Carroll


Aureilo

Is he still with us?

I thought he joined the Order of Malta?


 

 

25 Oct 2011 17:13:01
Eds is Kelly available for tomorrow? Do you see Gerrard and Johnson getting some more match fitness?

I think KK will put a real strong team out tomorrow as its a tough game.

Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - Kelly is available. He may play one or both of the others but perhaps not for the whole match. There is a balance between match fitness and risk and I would doubt that either is up for a full midweek game right now. Perhaps starts on the bench.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 17:05:05
This is totally hypothetical, so don't flip out.
How much do you think we could recoup on Andy Carrol in the January transfer window? Was the interest from Anzhi in russia ever confirmed?

Thanks!


Think he'd sell for about £10-15 million

MJ


So does that mean that a replacement would be bought for between 10 and 15 mill?
JayB


About 2 bob and a box of smarties


Hello Ed - on a similar theme, who sanctioned the deal for Carroll? Dalglish had only been back in the job for a short period and was only a caretaker manager at the time so was it Camolli? Thanks for any help.

JRG {Ed001's Note - Comolli and Dalglish work together, they both agreed to get Carroll in.}


Thanks Ed - By asking the question I wasn't trying to apportion blame or shift the blame from one person to another. Although Carroll is yet to fire for us I believe he is working with the right people who will get the best from him.
I was just interested to know whether Dalglish had any input into transfers in January as he had only been back in the job a short time.

JRG


AC isn't leaving in Jan or the summer. KK has already said he was bought for 5 and a half years and I'm more than happy with that.
TIZER RED


What a depressing thought on carroll

Kenny also said Carra has a few more years whoa thank god for that


Comolli and Dalglish work together, they both agreed to get Carroll in

So neither can be trusted in the transfer market?


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:35:28
Think a few people need to take a reality check. Last season we started against spurs at anfield with a centre mid pairing of spearing (who despite us all loving a hard working scouser will never be good enough) and pouslen. This season we don't even have players that bad on the bench.

We have signed 8 new players who are settling in to the team and despite playing good football results have been a bit up and down. Surly that's to be expected at this early stage.

Then there are the players signed. Keep hearing £20m for Henderson. Anyone who knows anything about Liverpool knows the fee was £16m and will only rise too £20m if he plays 75% of games in a league or European cup winning team. In which case I'd be glad to pay £20m.

As for the rest. We all know British players come at a premium. However we now need a British core to the squad or can not enter European competitions. It is also better financially to pay £5m extra on a fee and save £10m on wages over the coarse of a contract.

Kenny has not built a league winning team. He has built a core squad to be built on. What exactly were you all expecting?

Truth is the football we are playing will quickly start to pay the rewards it deserves. We now have depth in squad were we will only need to add 2 or 3 players a season as appossed to the 8 we've added this season.

Make me laugh when the same people moaning about raul being sold are now saying downing pulls out of tackles. Noone did that more than meireles.

Stop being so negative and take the 9 games so far this
season for what they are. The beginning of the first season of a long rebuilding process. City have spent £500m trying to get to were you lot seem to expect Liverpool to be.

FSG aren't sugar daddies. They are going to rebuild the club from the ground up. They wont leave us with an unsustainable wage structure and were not buried in debt.

Short memories a lot of people have. Cast ya mind back 13 months and be greatful for what we got.

New ground plan now down to the finer details. Announcement within a month.

Huyton Red


Would a new stadium not leave us buried in debt Huyton Red mate ?
The Real KB
ps posting off phone ed


Don't think most people understand what your trying to say , I do , people seem to be blind to all what fsg have done and our still doing now an will continue to do over the next couple of year's , 9 game's in an people wanting change , some fan's so fickle . K96 .


Remember when city first became rich and spent £££ and got beaten to 4th by Spurs? well chemistry takes time and we will improve but spot on Huyton Red


There not fans mate there what you would call cling on's after 2005 champs win now they no all about how to run the club and the team . The worst things is answering them it makes them think they are important when there not mate


The real kb is missing the point. Majority of costs will be covered by naming rights. Any debt put against the ground would be an investment. A money generating one which would more than balance the books. Paying £10m a year in interest to generate £30m a year is a good thing. {Ed002's Note - So someone is going to give Liverpool circa £200M up front for naming rights. Wow.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:34:37
So how exactly are we going to get the best out of andy Carroll? He was as the ed put it the fulcrum of newcastles team last year. So why can't he be the fulcrum of ours?
We have players like Enrique, downing, Kelly, gerrard, Adam etc who are great passers and could bring out the best in him. Pass and move is great when he's not playing but maybe when he comes on we can focus more on using him like Newcastle did.
What's everyone's opinion?
And can't be bothered replying to posts that mention his price tag, that was January this is now.

MIKEY


That's being answered elsewhere

Andy is is the oven


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:34:03
Again,Swedish adam,my point has been lost on you! I will refer to you when Carrolls on top form and Dzeko is not! This time last year,Carroll was hurting every defence in epl! Dzeko,was not! Dzeko was in danger of becoming another shevchenko,laughing stock,as I remember! City fan in disguise maybe? Funny how a player scores a few goals in a few games(hardly prolific) he becomes a missed opportunity,don't make me laugh! Oh,and why did carroll only score 17 goals in championship? In one season,any kind of credibility you may have had you forfeited when you come out with stupid comments like that! Welshboy Dave


I think you're the one who may be missing the point welshboy dave. You seem to be confusing form with level of ability. Carroll has so far had a fairly short spell where he showed good form, Dzeko has showed over a long period that he is a highly talented striker. A short run of being in or out of form can affect any player but if you have the ability to be a top player it will show. Let's see how many league goals they've both got at the end of the season and judge then.
I am not a Carroll fan but I hope he scores 20 unfortunately I think he'll struggle to
get 10.
As for asking who would you have wanted this time last year, Carroll wouldn't even have made my list

Chris in Tamworth


Would god have made your list?


Of course Fowler in his prime would have made my list. Goes without saying surely?

Chris in Tamworth


I was thinking of someone rather more divine


Sorry for the jest was only joking Chris glad you took it in good humour mate.


Welshboy who would you have wanted if you had the choice,on past stats etc? o and 17 in the championship mate,how many would other 35 million strikers smash in? people know carrols game now he will never get the freedom he had when he 1st came up from championship again! hes a long haired version of nial quinn at best!

swedish adam


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:32:06
Hi ed's, do you think suso, adam morgan or even sterling could go on loan next season to get abit of experience in a lower league? {Ed002's Note - This was discussed yesterday.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:09:36
Listen! Did you hear something..? Nothing? It's all quiet! Isn't it great that we have some peace and quiet away from those noisy mancs?

SingRed


 

 

25 Oct 2011 16:01:19
ed you probably going to think i'm nuts but what do you think about steven taylor from newcastle?He has been in good form this season and he reminds a bit of a younger jaime carra.
and from all this discussion welcome to liverpool luuk de jong.lol hopefully that well shut them up.

danny


A young Carra,Do you mean he hoofs it all the time,fouls everytime he's turned,or abuses his teamates when they decide not to hoof it?
puzzled


Newcastle will want top money for either Taylor or Collocini, both of which will be looking at the Caroll situation and thinking they are better off where they are. Sometimes the grass is not as green as it is meat to be.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 14:33:45
hej eds fellow reds,

my question is on gerrard,he seems to have lost a lot of pace and hes ability to change direction is lacking,is this down to the op or is it in his head that if he goes all out hes groin may go again,love him to bits but maybe now its time for him to drop back a little and play the alonso role,get the ball from back 4 start the play! i dont want him out of starting 11 cause hes a great player,i just think adams more of a threat going forward now!

swedish adam {Ed002's Note - You are seeing problems that don't exist. He is being eased back in to the high tempo game. Give the guy a biot of a break and time to be back to 100%.}


How Silly

Gerrard should have not played against Norwich after his long layoff he should be brought back gently

I know its not fashionable but give Gerrard a break.


Ed002 spot on as usual for a chelsea fan you know you're more than alright


Wasnt knocking gerrard was just asking the question,sometimes the mind plays games on players.


Gerrard is not playing the support striker role anymore like in the days of Torres

Nor can Gerrard curently be the box to box player he is until his fitness levels come back


Playing Gerrard too much until his fitness level rises as much I love to see him play
is doing him no favours

And it looks like Gerrard's "new" position will be in the middle/back of midfield and not rampaging up front, if so he will have to adjust his game and a lot of the Swashbuckling will have to be replaced with more disciplined performances this will lead some to question him however for others it won't be a problem!

Depends which camp you fall into?

It seems Gerrard on this site anyway is like Marmite there are those who love him and those who hate him?


Do you really think Gerrard is afraid of any challenge?

His mind is okay he's a tough Liverpool Lad but his body will need time to come back to peak fitness after such a serious injury

Carrol is at Liverpool for 10 mothns now and according to some he still has a niggling injury if anyones mind is not okay maybe look towards Carroll or Suarez who also seems to have issues, ever see suarez looking devasated every time he dives on the ground and does not get a free kick, is this the action of a sane person or one with pent up issues?


 

 

25 Oct 2011 14:07:21
You scoucers make me laugh, really you do. Firstly you go and buy every English player you can get your hands on for over inflated prices, they your fans actually have minerals to say your going to win the league! Lol, such front. You boys would need to spend close to what Manc have spent to get even close to manu! Lol. Andy Carol was a great buy too, bet those Geordie lads are still smirking now! Demba Ba is a better player. Lol 35mil and a sell on clause too....


Newcastle turned down a bid of £27m from Spurs for Carroll only a few days before Liverpool eventually paid £35m. That was the going rate. I still believe he will be a success over the coming 4 and a half years.


I don't recall anyone saying that we'll win the league..

maka


Who to you support?


Suarez, Adam, Coates, Enrique, Bellamy and Doni - none of them are English. We only signed two English players in the summer, Henderson and Downing.

JRG


LOL again, too easy to wind up... but Carol, please 35 mil.


I said Demba Ba earlier this week Ed001 thought it was the funniset thing ever? The sad story is enough with all Demba Ba's troubles he's still better than squarez


You wool's make us laugh . K96 .


Bet you were not LOL on sunday afternoon were you numb skull !


 

 

25 Oct 2011 14:04:24
Hi Ed, sorry i know by now youve probably answered a million questions on Luuk De Jong, but i was wondering do you rate him and what are his strengths?
Cheers {Ed002's Note - I am sorry, but I really don't want to get tied up in rating players strengths. Perhaps someone else will.}


He does not have killer pace and could turn into another Kuyt whether that 's good or bad is open to opinion


He's in double figures already so he's in form at the moment, Kuyt only scored 14 before he came to liverpool and most fans love him...Ed001 seems to think he is good enough so thats good enough for me

MJ


 

 

25 Oct 2011 13:27:21
Cant believe suarez is getting some stick he was outstanding on saturday. Hes not a traditional frontman he is more of a bergkamp or zola but because carrol is so poor he is up front mainly on his own anyone who goes to games regularly will see how good he is. Great movement he will IMO eventually go to barca because we are light yers away from winning a pl. I have held off a bit on my evaluation of players but having been at my 6th game of this season downing is a shambles pulls out of tackles constantly no goals no assists this season!! charlie adam does nothing not fit enough doesnt put in enough work for centre mid. Hendo looks lost typical of current english youngters OVER COACHED to play like a robot but has time on his side and needs to be played in the middle. Enrique outstanding this season best lb in the league and our best player. Andy Carroll probably the worst piece of business in the history of football 35 million you excpect a bit of class a panic buy from kenny very dissapointing. Coates ?? Carra is struggling big time. Imo we have wasted about 80 million. ill prob get slated for this but some people need to face up to reality we are miles behind.
dcg.


LOL a Liverpool fan with a brain, he must have stolen it.... lol all true though. IMO You should have tried harder to get young, erique is class no argument there, carol though, he was injured and you stilled signed him, should have waited until the summer to see how he recovered. Also, Adam, good a blackpool, not so good at a big club, Kevin Nolan would have been a better buy. Chris Samba or Cahil would have been good signings for you boys too. Alll in all it looks like you've spent too much on players who are ok, rather than buying world class - enrque is class though i'll give you that. Another season of nothing for you I fear, tottenham have a better squad and chelsea will have after January. Hopefuly your racist striker will do one too so you can recoupe some of the money you lost on carol, otherwise you'll find yourselves 6th in the league at the end of the season. ps you should flog gerrard now, kenny is the only manager who can get away with selling him and it would bring your wage bill down too! IMO


Suarez is a god with the feet of clay

In other Words he's a good player but he's flawed in more than one area

No point pretending

And he's not a natural finisher and you can't tech that you either have it or you don't Torres has it, Robbie fowler had it, Ian Rush had it

You have to have it IT factor - Its like magic dust either you have it or you don't have it and suarez undoubtedly a good player does not have it that

Liverpool won't improve till they get a striker that can find the back of net without needing 10+ chances


Who are you? Bloody half term again..
Learn to spell before you keep using LOL instead of real words, it's not a text site.
'IMO' you should have a dictionary with you when you 'write in'


LoL LoL LoL LMAO! ^^


So sorry, I forgot Liverpool was the capital of culture.


Suarez is "flawed in more than one area".
He can't play centre half or in goal; there's two for starters.
But his strengths far outweigh his flaws.


Dammit I want suarez in Madrid

Why do people want to keep him?

He costs us goal opportunities by going to ground when there's no need and its doubtful he could score in a madam's house with a bunch of fivers drapped round his neck.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 13:22:16
Ed001, how many times over the past couple of weeks do you think you've typed Luke De Jong? You must be getting pretty sick of it mate ha ha. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - it wouldn't be so bad, but it is in response to the exact same question every single time!}


What about Luke De Jong??????

Is he coming to Liverpool?????

Sorry like many other fans I just could not help myself I need therapy.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 13:02:00
Ed , who do you think will be our biggest challenge for fourth spot ? Arsenal, Newcastle or Spurs ?
Cheers mate.

Liverpool Fan No.7 {Ed002's Note - It is impossible to say - all will be in the mix with any of the top three that drop off the pace.}


I am not an ED but it will be spurs {Ed002's Note - You'll be the psychic then.}


I have ben called many things ed002 psychic is good!


Newcastle will fade away and arsenal are still in turmoil depite recent results

Spuds are the biggest challengers to the 'pool for 4th place

I bet my donkey dominic on that!


I would say Spurs, too.


 

 

25 Oct 2011 12:49:01
the reason we aren't up there with the mancs and chelsea is cos we can't hit a barn door in most of our matches! we create loads of chances and don't finish teams off. We could have won all our games this season xcept the spurs match if we had put away our chances when we were on top!!thereofre i think we need a out and out poacher. someone like owen but younger..anyone in that mould you could suggest ed? {Ed001's Note - hopefully no one like Owen, I would rather have someone with less delicate hamstrings! Anyway I have said this hundreds of times now, Luuk De Jong.}


How about adam morgan..or amoo.. {Ed001's Note - Amoo has simply failed to make any progress, Morgan is a possibility, he does need to play.}


I understand defoe's up for grabs in jan


Steer clear of Defoe he's not the answer but he could be part of the ever growing band of home players that are part of the problem


Berbatov could be available for free in the summer...


Who the very one we call berbaflop


 

 

25 Oct 2011 12:07:53
Come on swedish adam! Your the fool,I am most certainly not talking about now! You would realize this if you had read my post,which stated this time last year,you obviously did not understand this,which if you had might have made things easier! My point is its easy to point out one player on form and another who is not,and then slate the player who is out of form! Both are quality player when on form! Currently Dzeko is on form and Carroll sadly is not! So,from a childish point of view,it would seem you are correct,however delve a little deeper,and you will see,that you sir,and full of it! Welshboy Dave (20 years old!)


Are you being serious or just winding me up,ill stand by what i said,so when both are on form you would still take carrol? why did he only score 17 in championship? when players step up to prem defenders dont give them respect or expect them to be anything,happens every season,hes allround game is weak in my opinion and defenders now are very fast,so unless its put on a plate for him he aint going to score the 15-20 goals he should be scoring,kuyt will outscore carrol the way hes going!

swedish adam 31 !


So when he was in the prem and he scored 12 goals in 18 games i guess carroll was just lucky then and if it hadnt been for his injury he could have been prem top scorer the way he was going serious adam you need to look at the bigger picture he was almost unplayable for newcastle before he got injured


As i said look back over the years,marcus stewart haha


 

 

25 Oct 2011 11:22:35
Oh and another thing regarding the United equaliser the other week. I didn't read one poster moaning about the awful marking in both phases leading up to the goal or how man to man marking nowadays is dangerous

However we will all recall the numerous and vociferous posters who moaned incessantly about Rafa's zonal marking.

When the ref's stop concentrating on turning the game into a non contact sport outside the box and start concentrating on the ridiculous attempts of defenders to 'restrain' attackers at set pieces/corners etc. then zonal marking will come back into fashion in a massive way.

It's the future. You have never been able to correctly man mark at set pieces if the movement is good enough. It is disgraceful to allow defenders to grab hold of attackers and not even be looking at the ball in a vain attempt to block their runs, especially in the modern age where you only have to blow on a player and pick up a yellow card outside the box.

Viva la zonal marking i say :)

Bob the Red {Ed001's Note - I have to say I have always felt zonal marking, if used correctly, is a better system. The only way man to man ever works is by cheating, that is never a good way to set your team out!}


Here here!


In that case then ed001 do you think rafa used zonal marking properly? I remember looking at stats at the time and a high percentage of our goals where conceded from set pieces. I dunno if we were crap at defending them or if other teams put everything into them cos our defending in open play was so good at the time.
Also would you be happy to bring rafas zonal marking back into our team now?

MIKEY {Ed001's Note - a high percentage, but only because we weren't conceding many from open play, if we had been conceding the average amount from open play, then it would have been a small percentage. It was highlighted because pundits have to look for some reason to pick, if they can't point out where a manager is going wrong, in their opinion, then they become redundant. Any fool could sit there and say a team played well. Mind any fool can be a pundit these days! I would have no problem with zonal markings return, no system is perfect, but, in a game where the rules are being applied fairly, zonal marking is a better system than man to man.}


Mikey - here is some stats from 2006 after Rafa took over:

Liverpool only conceded from two corners all last season, both coming in Premiership games (Chelsea away and Everton at home). In total the Reds faced 137 corners in the league, meaning Benítez's men conceded on just 1.5 per cent of them. Only one team, Chelsea, were able to come even close to that, allowing three goals from 127 (2.4 per cent).

Widening the net to all competitions, Liverpool conceded eight set-piece goals, compared with Chelsea's nine, Arsenal's 12, and Manchester United's 15. Liverpool also played the most matches: meaning fewer set-piece goals conceded from a greater amount of games."

Ed - I also remember this quote from Alan Hansen We always used zonal marking when I won championships with Liverpool, Hansen once said. It was all about winning the first ball and if not, you've got to clean up the second. so I am surprised we are not using the zonal marking system under Kenny?

JRG


I must of been duped by the sports press then. I do remember us being great at defending at the time. Would be great to be that good at defending again this season but suppose you can't have the best of both worlds, kennys got the team playing great football. We always say we are a few players away from being great, but maybe now we are only a goal scorer away now, Maybe we already have it sat on the bench with a suspect ponytail maybe we will find it in this luuk de Jong. But this team is going to be right up there once they have settled, next season after a few tweaks we could be right up there. The long term potential of this squad is frightening.

MIKEY


Thanks JRG was good to see the stats in such detail,i also am a big fan of zonal,against united we used man marking,skrtel fell over so left hernandez free however if zonal was used maybe it would not of cost us a goal,maybe it would of been covered anyway

swedish adam


It was ridiculous Benetiz was criticised for it, 1 goal would go in and they would all say its zonal marking on MOTD, regardless of the billion other efforts the system succeeded in keeping out


Skirtel fell over because he was trying t hold on to little penis instead of marking him properly like a center half should what ever the system zonal or man to man marking if you cant win the header or jockey a player or tackle with out giving away a free kick you should not be on a football pitch or expect 100 grand a week . week in week out we give away dangerous free kicks around our peno area putting us under pressure because of these reasons . to win championships this is the first part of the team you need to get right the rest will follow and am sorry but this has been our down fall since the year 1990 to date .


 

 

25 Oct 2011 11:07:36
Hi Ed, a question for you, have we made any progress on the new stadium/redevelopment project?
Have you heard anything?
Cheers YNWA {Ed001's Note - the decision will be announced soon, probably towards the end of next month, there is nothing to be said until an announcement is made.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 10:53:12
Ed do you know if we are interested in Atalanta's Maxi Moralez? I saw on the internet that we might of been in the summer and he's been in brilliant form recently in Serie A. My worry would be his physique as he is only about 5"4!

maka {Ed002's Note - No, there is no interest. I know he has played well in the past week or two and I guess you are suffering what is called MOTD fever. He only moved to Atalanta in thesummer and he is subject to third party ownership.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 10:30:34
Hi Eds whats the latest on a move for Seyi Ojo? Would be fantastic for the future alongside Sterling, Suso etc.

Many thanks. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool, Chelsea and a number of other clubs have an interest in the kid. At the end of the day he is 13 or 14 and years away from being ready to play at a high level. I am really not that hip to players in their early teens.}


What makes me laugh is his name I don't think has ever been posted on here before? All of a sudden he's a great addition for the future......you'd never bloody heard if him until today {Ed002's Note - There was some discussion about him a couple of weeks back when Chelsea's interest became clear. But at the end of the day he is real young.}


Get that ed, but who really knows anything about this boy other than the watching scouts! {Ed001's Note - maybe he is great on FM12? Mind they do use real scouting reports in the game.}


Lol, nice, but ed hand on heart I've never played any of those games apart from ten years ago, my boy plays them on lt or ps 3 , but I certainly would not have a scooby {Ed001's Note - I love them, Everton and many other teams around the world actually pay Sports Interactive for the use of their scouting system. They really do use real scouting reports to decide the player's stats, in fact the latest version actually uses real scouting reports in the same way a real manager does. Great way to find a player to then go and do your own research on, if you can find videos of their matches online that is or live matches being shown anywhere.}


Have to agree with ed. FM really does rate them quite well. {Ed001's Note - nothing beats watching the player yourself though.}


Ok ed, you sold me on that, I'll ask him (my son) to set me up on fm, you know what team I won't be in case I'm shocking lol {Ed001's Note - I wonder if I can get commission off Sega?}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 10:13:44
I have to say after watching Saturday's game, it's important not to allow your frustrations of not winning cloud the overall perspective of the season.

Firstly those fans going off the deep end in spectacular circumstances only have themselves to blame for having sky high expectations, taking little to no regard for the problems we still have on the field and a total lack of respect toward the opposition. So whilst you annoy me no end with fanciful, wishful delusions of signing glitzy foreign players your lack of objectivity will come back and bite you on your backside. Likewise for the many, many posters who predicted before the Norwich game that we would win 3, 4, 5-0. I take it you didn't see the United or Chelsea where Norwich were the better team in both games.

However I will balance the argument by saying, yes we should have won the game, quite comfortably and yes we should reasonably expect to beat any team at home, so when we drop points against teams like Norwich it is disappointing. However instead of looking too deeply at the subject and I have seen the various comparisons on last year, this year, the first 4 months of KD's reign etc. Just look at the result and the reason why we didn't win.

We have, in my opinion a worryingly pattern of play at home starting to emerge. We come out of the blocks like a house on fire, high tempo, great movement and we create chances. We either take a chance (Sunderland game) and then immediately go off the boil and start this annoying retreating business or more often than not we do not take any of the many chances we create. This unsettles the crowd, gets to the players and heightens frustrations. Made worse, of course by the opposition scoring with one of a few chances they create when they have a half decent spell (Sunderland, United, Norwich, Wolves). If we can correct this and basically do what all players are taught and get that killer second goal either early or later it matters not, we would then see the flowing passing and moving play that we all crave for.

I see no issues with Suarez. He was superb on Saturday in many aspects of his play, yet at the moment he displays a little bit of the 'headless chicken' syndrome when he is through on goal which is staggering when you consider his ability. The two main examples were one early in the first half when through on goal he toe poked the ball wide from 9 yards and the second when he should have squared the ball to Gerrard to tap in. Now when you consider his vision for the second Arsenal goal, where he fed in Meireles without even looking and his overall ability, this apparent lack of awareness in front of game can only stem from frustration, a little desperation to do well, to score etc.

We can all be the greatest managers in hindsight. I just want us to play with a high tempo, close players down high up the pitch, score early, keep pressing, get the killer second goal, pass and move for 90 minutes and we will win 90% of our home games. I do not want to see us die away after the first 20 mins, retreat in midfield to 10 yards off the CB's allowing opposition players time and space on the ball and isolating our forwards. I feel KD is still struggling to find the right blend, the right shape and the right personnel without tinkering too much. I'm wondering if he's working on the 'if they do it enough times they'll get it right' theory.

You can see it in every single game no matter who the opposition are. If you close players down and give them no time to play, you will force the error and the opposition will concede the ball. If they haven't got the bloody thing they can't score. Likewise if you give decent players time and space on the ball, don't be surprised if they end up hurting you because sooner or later they will.

But Saturday's game was down to fine lines. Had we taken just a couple of the many chances we carved out (that's a good thing though isn't it?) we'd have won the game comfortably against an opposition that proved to be a real thorn against the other top sides? Depends if your cup is half full or half empty.

Bob the Red


Some very valid points as always Bob, just read a stat saying we would ahve been second place had we not conceded from winning positions. Whilst annoying this has to be seen as an improvement, when could we have ever have said that last year. I've no doubt the chances will begin to be converted.


Once again Bob, a real sensible, comon sense post and extremely well put.
Nice one mate and totally agree. I also feel that maintaining a high tempo and given a bit of luck, the numerous chances we are creating will eventually lead to that 'killer second goal' and dare I say it, a hat full eventually. I really do think someone is going to be on the end of a hiding soon.
Cheers Bob.
The Goatherder
JFT96


Good post Bob - nice to see someone post a rational response regarding the current form of the team without feeling the need to criticise the players or management. As I said yesterday, apart from the Spurs game no-one can have any complaints about the teams performances so far this season. If we can cut out the individual errors that have cost us points so far this season then we will have a successful season.

I also totally agree with your point about fans expectations - people saying that this season isn't going according to plan! What plan would that be? My target for this season was to challenge for a top four position in the league and as far as I am concerned I haven't seen anything to suggest we are not capable of achieving that. As you said Bob - if we had taken one or two of the many chances that we created on Saturday we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

JRG


Sir, some good points raised, but how we account for the fact that, we find it very difficult to beat these teams home/away for many years.

That's why we get frustrated sometimes. Is it down to the players not been good enough on a consistent basis?

Sam armchair


Well after looking into the stats it shouldn't surprise you that the problem lies with our away form as it has for many a season. Our home has remained constant and thank God for that.

I take it you look at every club that isn't part of the 'big 5'?

If so in 2009/10 season our home form regarding the 'other' teams reads

W11 D2 L1. Pretty impressive, no?
Away W5 D5 L4. Room for big improvement, yes?

Last season at home

W9 D3 L2. A drop on previous years, but this WAS the Hodgson year.

Away from home
W4 D2 L8. Again a drop from previous years standards, even if they weren't the best in any event.

This season

Home W2 D2
Away W1 L1.

Can you really tell yet which way it's going to go? No, far too early

Bob the Red


Its finishing chances its that simple. Once we get scoring we wont look back. Gerrard to play of Suarez all day


I never see a cup as 'half empty or half full'. I always see a cup as full because if its not full of liquid then its full of air.
redl4fe


 

 

25 Oct 2011 09:42:39
Ed, have been over to anfield a couple of times this season and one thing I can't help feeling is that we tend to be a bit slow making changes i.e. Henderson should have come in sooner to play centre instead of adam. Alsom I think Carroll should be given a run and Saurez may need a little break.
Regards


 

 

25 Oct 2011 09:14:23

Morning Eds

Do you think that this may be the last season Carra has a regular starting place ? I am in no way knocking the guy,he is a true LFC legend,We continue to leak goals and its a team game but our CB pairing look decidedly average.

The one thing thats looks positive is this some team is due for a right spanking off us,or luck in front of goal and hitting the woodwork must change shortly

REDFORLIFE

{Ed002's Note - I suspect that as time moves on he will be playing less and less and perhaps getting more involved in coaching, if that is what he wants to do. He is contracted until June 2013.}


Times moved on,he shouldn't be starting now......simple


 

 

25 Oct 2011 08:58:31
I see some people on here looking at last season as a mark for this season. Have to say last season was the worst LFC has seen in recent times and we should not look at it as a mark for this season, of course our squad was not good enough but the Big problem was appointing Roy Hodgson (a mistake by Purslow & Board) who is not good enough for top clubs. If LFC had appointed someone else say someone like Roy Evans or Kenny instead (temporarily so at the end of the season we can go for someone like AVB or Jurgen Klopp) we should have been playing Champions League football this season (with respect to how well we did in the second half of the season when Woy was gone, some say it's Dalglish effect but it was more like the players matching the right tactics). But what has happened has happened and we should not look at last season as we works to get back to the top we should better look at 2007-2008 season.

We got New Owners who are willing to spent to get us back on track. And we have spent around 100M on players. But our season is so far not going as planned, but who is to blame, of course the players need time to gel in but i think the problem is more of some players being just not good enough to play our pass & move football. They aren't bad players but we certainly over paid for some player the likes of Carroll & Downing. For Henderson he is a good young quality player but he is certainly not what we need most.

Carroll, Downing & Henderson cost us at least 65M. Say if we had spent the money on somebody else? I also know many players were not willing to come as we cannot offer Champions League Football & were offering relatively an average wage. But say if we have kept the money and tried to get the best out of Joe Cole, Babel & Meirrales OR tried to get the likes of Radamel, Falcao (a player we can afford), Juan Mata (before Chelsea's interest he was willing to come) & Moussa Sissoko/Freddy Guarin (who won't turn us down if we went for them). all of them very young and fits FSG's transfer philosophy.

I have to say so far King Kenny's transfer dealings are not good as his work on the pitch. Carroll, Downing & Henderson are more of Kenny's picks not Commoli's.
I know from what i heard Suarez was a Commoli buy, he suggested Suarez to Kenny and he also liked him & we went for him. Yes we need a British core at the club but British players are now a days over rated & over priced. Britain's footballing failure in the world stages recently confirms it all. Kenny was certainly thinking of the olden days when British players were doing really well & every-team was going after them. Wake up Kenny before you makes any more mistakes in the transfer window. It's not really a must a player should have BPL experience. See the likes of Aquero & Mata, they came new to the league & are doing pretty well as first timers. Then more closely our own Suarez who came from Dutch League and made an immediate impact. I am pretty much sure King Kenny's transfer philosophy is not alright. Our transfer dealings in the summer will determine our performance on the pitch this season and I clearly believe we have done some huge mistakes in the transfer window. I will give a 'C' as Kenny's transfer remarks. I certainly woudn't be surprised if we miss out on the top 4 & fails to achieve some silver ware this season. We will see how many people on here will be smiling at last day of the season.

pytbull


I agree. We should have Mata, Honda, and Mousa Sissokho in our team now. With those three (none of whom were unrealistic signings) and we would be in far better stead to get the CL places.

Ash


This is a pretty delusional viewpoint. Last season and even the terrible one before dragged us so far behind where we were when finishing second place that it was not a case of tweaking a couple of things, it needed an overhaul which cannot create results straight away. We had a plethora of players who did not deserve the astronimcal wages befitting of their ability, so the mentality of the club had to be turned around, players not bothered about playing for Liverpool as they took it easy on high wages. So many new players needed to be bought in and given time to gel and invoke a new attitude and spirit (or invoke Liverpools attitude and spirit of old) We were seiously in dire straights and very close to going under, any business flirting with bankruptcy is going to be a very different kettle of fish. Players may not sign as they do not know where the club is heading, we are not in Champions league for 2 seasons, these things matter to a player.When we started signing players like Alonso, Torres, Mascherano it was because we had already got into the champions league, I doubt any would have come had we not been able to offer that at the time.
Even Man City with their millions took a couple of years to reach the champions league and that is after spending twice as much.
You make it sound like you can go and just pluck these players and they will be all too willing to come like you're playing Football Manager. Your targets are unrealistic at this moment in time. Foriegn players are bothered about Champions league, why would they care as much about the Premier League as British players would.
You can only spend the money on players who want to come


Couldn't agree mate. Why oh why did we not go in for the kill with Mata! I still think we have good youngsters who could make the grade (sterling,coady,ngoo?!, suso) but they are till too young. I just hope now we have the 'core' british players we get one or two foreign technically gifted and flair-like players to compliment the graft core and get the 90 minutes of pass and move back instead of seeing it in stages!? 1 more class finisher to take the heat of suarez would top it for me, along with a winger; every top 3 finshing team has more than one world class striker so at least one of them is going to score!


So Carroll for 35M, Downing for 20M, Henderson for 20M (16M + adds-on) is good business! They are worth every penny we paid for them. We will win the League Cup & the FA cup this season and next season we will be playing the Champions League. LOL!

Your are deluded of Kenny & his signings!
So you think every thing Kenny is doing is correct, no way I am going to say that.
Unless they proves me wrong and we performs better on the pitch I will keep on criticizing them. I know this not football manager & it's not that easy when we say to sign a player but still the players we brought (Carroll, Downing & Henderson) in are not what we need they are so far not good enough over priced we should have done better with the money.

pytbull


So Carroll for 35M, Downing for 20M, Henderson for 20M (16M + adds-on) is good business! They are worth every penny we paid for them. We will win the League Cup & the FA cup this season and next season we will be playing the Champions League. LOL!

Your are deluded of Kenny & his signings!
So you think every thing Kenny is doing is correct, no way I am going to say that.
Unless they proves me wrong and we performs better on the pitch I will keep on criticizing them. I know this not football manager & it's not that easy when we say to sign a player but still the players we brought (Carroll, Downing & Henderson) in are not what we need they are so far not good enough over priced we should have done better with the money.

pytbull


Exactly how many games has hendo and downing played for us? Hendo is a youngster who has the potential to make 20m look cheap. 20m was the going rate for a player like downing. And Carroll is another argument altogether, remember we only paid about 14m for Enrique and Adam. Very good business there.

MIKEY


Would have loved Mata, but we can't force players to come, I'm sure if we go in at £150k a week we could but this wouldn't be sustainable. Who wants players whose heads are turned often by money, they'll just play for moves to clubs offering more money. I go back to my point that you can only try and sign the players who want to come. There is no way of forcing their hand, and if he is mates with Torres then he's gonna swing for Chelsea.


Of course 150K a week is sustainable

We pay Maxi somewhere between 60k and 90k a week and he does not even play ball that often

Liverpool could have got Mata if they tried Kenny did not want him he wanted downing


How much is Caroll on?


Look at Newcastle's signings, they managed to get Cabaye for less than nothing in the grand scheme of things. Also, how much did they pay for Ba... nothing and Titoe was like 4 mil or something. If they were to sell all 3 of them they could get anywhere between 30 - 40 mil for them. Caroll - who would have thought he was worth 35 mil... honestly. {Ed001's Note - do you know anything about football? Ba has a degenerative knee disorder, he went there for free because no one will buy a guy with one of those.}


No we should of bought silva when rafa wanted him look at him in the EPL he is with out doubt a sensational player that would of lit Anfield and I believe these sort of players silva , mata , would of been at Anfield under rafa if he the club and owners would of backed him


The rumour is that Carroll is on 80k a week


 

 

25 Oct 2011 08:56:06
Just like to say i hope everybody in Dublin is safe after the floodings yesterday.My parents home is destroyed as im sure many thousand others are.
(irishred) {Ed002's Note - I am very sorry to hear of their problems.}


Cheers Ed002 (irishred)


Its not just Dublin Mate its the whole east coast of Ireland that is under water


Its not just Dublin Mate its the whole east coast of Ireland that is under water


Sorry to hear your bad news dublin red hope things get better soon mate


 

 

25 Oct 2011 08:02:02
I personally feel that the reason that Suarez isn't as clinical as we hoped is because he seems to have to fashion all his chances himself. He seems to be almost 'dizzy' from all the twists and turns past defenders he has to do to get in a position to take a shot. Im not saying he hasn't missed chances he should have scored, but he does seem to have to do it all himself and because everyone now knows how good he is, he is closed down so fast.

Ash


Saurez has got a terrible shot to him but I have a theory, why does'nt he just twist and turn the ball all the way past the goal line and save himself the embarrasment of shooting.... HERBIE(MUFC)


Yes Herbie, similar to what he did to about 4 of your defenders at Anfield last season and then rolled it to Kuyt to score.

Ash


Yes absolutely correct Ash, Saurez has brilliant ball control no doubt about that, but shooting is terrible, he still has a lot of work to do to be the finished article.... HERBIE(MUFC)


I personally feel that the reason that Suarez isn't as clinical as we hoped is because he seems to have to fashion all his chances himself.

I know some people want to protect their hero "suarez" but that's a step too far, if that were the case what about Messi?

He must be well beyond Dizzy whatever that state is?


 

 

25 Oct 2011 04:28:02
Would like all 3 De Jongs. Ajax's, Twente's and Citys!


And the stomers' juan de jong he can put in a tackle or 2


 

 

25 Oct 2011 03:34:29
I think we need to play Suarez behind the striker, like a #10. Too often he gets the ball isolated when playing striker. If he were in the hole, hed likely have much more space. Defenders couldn't just leave the striker to come deal with Suarez. I think if you look at how Germany use Ozil. Suarez should be used more that matter. Ofcourse in order for that to work we'd need a good striker or get Carroll to play like a good striker. Also, a pure right winger would help. You get 2 true wide players to stretch the defense wide, a quality striker who will stay central and occupy the center halves and there will be a ton of room in the middle of the pitch behind the striker for Luis to operate.


Just like another little man called Wayne Rooney is played by his manager


 

 

25 Oct 2011 01:34:07
Thats true Ed001, i did need a Tex Rit when i wrote it so your theory on me smiling could well of been true mate, i'll have to let my head doctor in on the secret ha ha. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - it's well known that only women are allowed to get smiles or it is just wind apparently. Either that or I can fetch my coat? ;o)}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 01:17:46
Ed001 - We seriously lack a player that can create in the final third. Suarez can do it but he is also supposed to finish which hasn't worked out well. So in your opinion, who would be the best person to bring in to help with the lack of creativity in the final third?

Cheers. {Ed001's Note - I think we need someone to finish not create. Why stop the most creative player we have from creating?}


Guys look at andy carrolls finish against everton , it wasnt as easy as it looked as it was slightly behind him, my point being is that the boy can finish but he can only do that if hes on the pitch, if luis, stevie, charlie, downing and enrique create the chances im confident the boy will put them away, so i say give him a run of games and see how the confidence of playing regularly improves his game and our chances of taking the 3 points in games like saturday.

JFT96

TOMMY C


I don't think a striker is the priority. Would be nice to see someone like Soldado come in but Kenny has said he thinks we have the players there to finish the chances off. A creative midfielder is also not an issue; Gerrard is better than most players and Adam will grow into the team. The only positions I see us filling any time soon are centre-back and winger

Red Ollie


Creating chances is not the problem, that bit has improved dramatically since KK took over from uncle roy. last year we smothered the midfield and had fluid movement with meirelles, maxi taking turns to break forward. it was beautiful to watch (think fulham game)

this season though kenny is for the most on the front foot, where we are taking games to the opponents (excl spurs game) the problem is finishing the chances off. Suarez is not, and will not be a clinical finisher - ever. 9 times out of 10 when he's 1 on 1 he shoots without looking and at the keeper. think the chance he made against manpoo, turned one way then the other in the box all he has to do is slide it to de gea's riight. what he will do is create havoc with opposing defenders and this leadsto chances.

we need someone in the box to bury these chances. its not andy carroll as he can't keep up with a fast attack plus he's expecting the air so holds back when running into the box waiting on a cross. we need a fowler/owen type who will burst into the 6yard area to tap in a cross smashed low or being clinical in a 1 on 1.

one of soldado, rossi, or bent is the kind of player we need. (rossi for me but won't come cheap)

by the way my call sign has changed from sinner786 :)

ynwa sinner21


Carroll can't play yet he's still in the "oven" being moulded learning how to play ball on the deck

But when he morphs just wait and see . . .


 

 

25 Oct 2011 01:02:23
Ha ha, thats very true Ed001 ha ha, put a smile on my face which is a feat in itself. Ye point taken mate. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - sure it wasn't just wind? Every time my daughter smiled at me as a baby everyone always said it was wind, maybe you have wind too?}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 00:42:28
Thats fine Ed001 have no problems with that at all, like i said its your site and i'm glad i haven't been given the red mate, thanks for answering my question, i appreciate it. Maybe i did go a little over board but one mans opinion is turning into an obsession. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - yes it is but there is no need to get obsessed with his obsession! Difficult though it can be at times when two people have strong opposing opinions.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 00:36:44
Ed's/ everybody would you agree that Downing is far better on the left wing than on the right wing?
Therefore if we do get De Jong/Johnson in January to play on the right that will solve part of our attacking/crossing, and hopefully someone will start putting them in the back of the net (Carroll). I understand Kenny plays downing on the right so he can cut inside but for me it just doesn't work.

Aussie red {Ed001's Note - I don't like the cutting inside system, it is to make up for a lack of team work by allowing the wingers to use individual skill to create a chance, rather than needing a one two to get the ball onto his stronger foot.}


 

 

25 Oct 2011 00:20:15
Ed001 or 002, have i been red carded? I'm not one to moan if a post dont go up because sometimes i get carried away with some foul words but i've kept it to a min recently. Just wondering why one i sent earlier never went up? Their was no foul mouth off me, i've been ripped on here before so personally i dont know why it wasn't stuck up. Its obviously your site Eds and will never think my posts have a right to be shown but i think its a valid point i made. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - no but it was a personal attack rather than a post about football, so I deleted it.}


Ed001 is the only one that can do the ripping you're encrouching on his territory and like most predator's he doesn't like that!


 

 

 
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