Liverpool Banter Archive September 25 2013

 

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25 Sep 2013 23:31:20
I watched the first half then had to go to work!
What has happened to sturridge? Seems like he's happy with his 6 goals and can't be bothered anymore, his ball control has gone and that hunger and desire he had to close defenders down is nowhere to be seen now.

Herd Kelly came on? How did he do? How long did he get?

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Just my opinions, i'm not an expert in football analysis just a loving arm chair fan. Kelly stayed fit and injury free and looked right at home, I think he's a good option to back up and push Johnson but for the injuries the poor lads suffered, for me he's a top player when playing. Positive news first. :)

I think Sturridge is a great last man, but he's dropping too deep for me at times, and he tends to end up kind of stifling the build up play as he takes an age to pass more often than not (when he decides to do too much). But he pokes goals in and that's what we want and need. Also to be fair he's got a lot of attention and I don't know if he's getting special treatment from defenders for being in early season form!? International breaks really seem to hurt us.

Moses had a diving header saved which I was in amazement at. (Haven't seen a proper diving header like that in an age and a half.) We pushed hard and I thought were unlucky not to get an equaliser. Mignolet did well and I think was unlucky to concede the early second half goal from the set piece which Hernandez poked past him after losing Enrique, but I think the ball should have been well cleared before it even got to him. That being typed, overall in my opinion we played very positively.

I think Suarez did well for his first game back, he needs a game or two more for his shooting boots to come back but he cracked the cross bar and always looked threatening. Henderson had a gifted chance but sent his shot ever increasingly wide but we definitely had our chances and I think that we played better last night than when we beat them the other week. But i'm ever the optimist. :) Well worth watching the game (second half) just to see how we battled in albeit you know that it was in vain, after going one down. Quite proud of the lads even in defeat.

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Okay, it's 2 games that he didn't play all too well, give him a break, he'll come good again. as for Kelly, came back from a long injury (never really rated him to be honest), so you can't be to critical, he had a couple of bad touches but held his own for the most part, like every one's saying on here, it's that center midfield that's giving us a lot of problems, and we need another quality forward. Moses doesn't look like doing much, never expected him to though.

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Sturridge! the honeymoon is over, that's what's wrong with him, he is now reverting back to the sturridge of old = lazy

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26 Sep 2013 08:08:08
He wanted to Better suarez, who will be going next summer.

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26 Sep 2013 09:42:48
It is your opinion Lion but one that I sure most Liverpool fans will scoff at there.
Kelly is a top talent, strong, fast and reads the game well. To be fair He's a CB being played at RB.
Our midfield is lacking another quality passer but Lucas has been fantastic so far this season! highlighted by his tackles and pass rates! look at the stats and he's one of the best in the league so far.
Moses has been good, he adds a direct style of play, he's essentially a more developed version of Sterling for me. Someone who drives the defender back towards their own box, just that Moses has more about him when trying to keep the ball.

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26 Sep 2013 10:27:26
Anfield Andy.
One player we miss. Alonso.
We would have won the game yesterday with ease.

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25 Sep 2013 23:17:18
Can't stand the manager saying "we were terrific".
Poor at defending, poor at scoring.

We lost to our biggest rivals, I don't want to hear "we were terrific".
I want to hear "we need to be more clinical", "we need to take our chances", "we need to concentrate harder at set pieces".

Be straight with the fans!

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We weren't poor in defense relax ken.but our attack was another story.sturridge performance was shocking

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Honestly thought overall we played pretty well. You make it sound like we were awful and got thrashed.

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We were very good last night, I thought we had the better team on the pitch despite the goal, Liverpool really worked hard and were unlucky not to get an equaliser.

We need to remember United just got a hammering from City and Moyes tactics were always going to be very, very tight. United looked seldom dangerous and managed to score from a scrappy set piece, it actually reminded me of watching Everton in the cup a few seasons ago. :) I thought we battled hard and did very well overall, yeah it's never nice going out of a cup, especially at United to United but we played as well as we have bar a few unsettled defensive moments. We attacked with genuine purpose and on another night we'd have got a reply at the very least. I was furious after we gifted Swansea a draw, I was gutted after being pretty pathetic overall against Southampton but last night I was excited every time Liverpool attacked. I think Sturridge is missing Coutinho. But last night make no mistake we were very good in defeat. imho

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26 Sep 2013 08:09:17
We played ok. was not poor. But this time again we showed we bought some very average players, who just can't change the game.
Apart from Moses, Alberto and aspas has been just average upfront.

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Read his comments on the official site properly.

He said that the effort was terrific, and added that the final pass and final finish let them down, and that they were disappointed with lack of concentration for the goal which cost them.

Stop looking for things to have a go about.

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Look lads, how we'll we played is a matter of opinion so I am not going to argue with anyone over that. But when we go out of another competition early and lose to our biggest rivals when they were there for the taking it hurts me.
I want it to hurt the players, I want it to hurt the manager, I want to see them devastated and determined to put things right.
I don't want to hear the manager buttering them up on TV. I want the manager gutted. After the Saints game it was "just a bad day at the office for us", now it's "the players gave everything and I can't fault what they brought to the game".

I'm sorry but it's not right Brendan and if this slump continues then you can be sure the owners won't be as satisfied as you.

He's put himself in the position where it FA cup, top 4 or bust now. I don't think the owners will settle for no trophies and no Champions league again.

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25 Sep 2013 23:14:48
Turan is needed in January badly along with a DM we're really lacking a bit of brute force there and need a Mascherano mould player. Why oh why did we not go for Gary Medel!?!?

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Medel is over hyped. Since the start of the season (5 games I know), the stand out midfield "destroyer" is Palace's Yedinak for me.

I'd take him all day every day in the LFC squad. He's a smart footballer.

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We need another number 10 to support coutinho.why pay so much for alberto if he isn't ready yet
All we needed was that final ball yesterday

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Lads, you can buy all the players in the world, but if you don't train the players to defend corners and put the ball in the net, it won't make any difference.

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26 Sep 2013 14:14:40
Christian Errikson. and HM, we miss them. i'm don't care how much we concede after having 5 regular CB, But if you don't score one more than the other team, you ll never win.

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25 Sep 2013 22:48:40
Henderson was by far best player ran his sox off and tracked back

Sturridge lost the ball made wrong decisions maybe needs rest or kick up backside he shows off way too much for my liking needs to keep it simpl and work hard

Gerrard well he was awful but no replacements at the monent!

Enrique gud at runnin back and stregnth made a massive error and cost us game but didn't play badly needs to run with ball more


There were positives but negative was losin against them!
rodgers needs to go bk to 433 and he needs henderson central

Need to kill chances and SHOOT MORE
we dilly dally on ball too much

Abbas lfc

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Henderson has nothing to offer with the ball at his feet he works hard and that's all he does not good enough you need more then effort

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26 Sep 2013 08:10:01
Its a crime playing henderson at RW, that's total stuppidity.

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Agree on Henderson, at times he looks like the only player who gives a damn.

I know Sterling only got 15mins or so, but how this lad can justify the status of a premiership footballer is beyond me. he is awful at best.

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25 Sep 2013 22:37:07
Tough game, and I think we did create chances. However, we really need to work on corners. I think we outplayed United for large parts of the game, but let's not forget they are missing Van Persie, had Smalling, Evans and Butner at the back. We played our best 11. We look very weak in the middle (Gerrrard really needs rest) and we desperately need to strengthen in January. Allen coming back will help but he will not dominate any midfield.

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How do you reckon we played our strongest 11? we were missing johnson, coutinho, and agger, all dead cert starters if fit.

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That was not our best 11, no Johnson, Agger or more importantly Coutinho!

I think we should have started Kelly at RB and stuck to our usual system with Toure and Sakho in the middle, but end of the day it was a tight match and both sides could have won it and sadly they did. Time to move onto the important stuff, the league campaign, although I would have liked a good cup run, there is still the FA Cup to come!

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Smalling is pretty decent CB to be honest and I don't see Buttner as being much worse than Evra either. In any event, agree with most of your assessment- corners we're just awful (on both sides) and personally I don't think Gerrard should have played tonight (or Sturridge, to be honest).

I also don't get playing Henderson wide with Moses central, but maybe that's just me.

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Redmist and keith let's be truthful to ourselves we played our strongest team out there and still lost.injuries are part of the game and that should not be an excuse
Rodgers needs to explain why he keeps spending money and all he keeps saying when things stop going according to plan is “We NEED TO STRENGHTEN. he has spent over 100million and still keeps making excuses
That was united second team the only regular starters were rooney de gea, jones and rafeal(who both just returned from injury)

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The 3 at the back wasn't to blame for the goal. The pundits all agreed Rodgers won the tactical battle. So the system wasn't the issue. I'll say it again. Rodgers rarely plays the same system. It's mo about zones on the pitch. He wants his players to be tactically aware and flexible. 3 at the back forces every team playing with one up front to re-think. So many teams play 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 that an attempt to do something different should be applauded. 3 at the back gives you a spare man, usually a wing back and them pushing upfield pushes the wide players in the opposition midfield/attack back into their own half thus nullifying them. You need really good ball-playing CBs to do this and that's exactly what BR has been recruiting. Toure better than Carra, Agger one of the best and Sakho and Ilori both comfortable in possession. We also have wing-backs of quality in Johnson, Enrique & Cissokho. At the risk of repeating myself I think the odd man out in the next 12 months may well be Lucas. If you have 3 CBs and one is the spare man u don't need a DM who is limited creatively. Gerrard isn't going to play every game next season so the midfield will be the area to be addressed next. We need more speed, goals and technical ability there. {Ed001's Note - Lucas is far from limited creatively, he is just held back by the tactical considerations of his role. I wish people would stop trying to claim nonsense like this, when they have never seen him try and create and so assume he can't! Go and look at footage of him before Rafa decided to change his role, in Brazil, the lad can create with the best of them. I personally think the role he play wastes his best attributes, but he has the mentality that suits the role perfectly, in that he will give up his own performance to do what is best for the team. He deserves to be given more freedom, the one time he did get the chance to break forward last night, despite Gerrard trying to take over, he surged right up and played a good through ball which led to a chance that was wasted.}

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25 Sep 2013 22:28:30
Even though we lost tonight there were a few positive signs, Suarez, Suarez/Sturridge partnership is about to blossom and Sakho looks like he's settling in.

The negatives for me are why have we started with 3 x centre backs after the shambolic 4 at the weekend?

Why start the season with 2 x C/B's and look good and win all 3 games, after playing all pre season games with 2 x C/B's. And then suddenly begin to mess around with the back four and revert to using C/B's as right and left backs and then tonight a back line of 3 x C/B's?

The team looks completely unbalanced, yes Johnson's injured but so what use someone else Brendan.

If BR keeps with this stupid formation of playing 4 or 3 C /B's per game then I fear our season will be worse than even last years.

If Agger isn't fit for the Sunderland game then I hope BR changes the back four to the following

Kelly. Sakho Toure Enrique

At least then we will have fullbacks who can bomb up and down the wings and support our attacks.

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He didn't want to throw Kelly in the deep end first game back Johnston injured he felt toure is the best available

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25 Sep 2013 22:19:02
Good show from the lads tonight, better than the Southmapton game (nightmare!). Need to defend better at corners with so many big guys in our ranks.
I personally would prefer us doing good in the league, Top4 and even higher so never mind if we're out of Carling (whatever it's called now), go for the league because that IS IMPORTANT when it comes to transfers and our best players staying OUR best players!
So, well done lads, you did us proud, could've won but never mind. Top4 and higher here we come. YNWA

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25 Sep 2013 22:18:00
I don't care how well people claim we're playing it simply is not true.
However, I'd rather play poorly and win, like the first 3 games, than play well and lose.

Our attackers couldn't finish their breakfast let alone score a goal.
Our defenders look completely lost at set pieces.

Seriously, what do we do in training? Practise passing the ball backwards?

Here's a revolutionary idea, practise putting the ball in the net and keepin it out of our net.

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Are these the same attackers that have won our first 3 games and nearly won the golden boot last year? Hmmm.

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They are the same attackers who have scored 5 goals in 6 games this season.

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25 Sep 2013 22:15:31
Nice to see Assaidi get an assist for Stoke today by the way!

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Yeah made my night that.

Another trophy Rodgers won't win, a toothless loss to Man United, but at least Assaidi got an assist for Stoke.

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25 Sep 2013 22:10:38
Enrique mom for me tonight. His touch, strength and pace is fantastic. Maybe he could work on his end product?
Look we tried a new system with 3 at the back, did it work? Hmm we was really troubled? But no ideas in the final third. That's because couts isn't there. I'd rather Suarez takes his role, but he is too greedy. Moses and sturridge split the back four, Moses in acres and Suarez shot wide :/ would love suso back :)

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First and foremost, Enrique's job is to defend, which for the goal he failed miserably to do- ball watching at the highest level is unforgivable. The top games are decided by thin margins and that was the case tonight. With the team we had out tonight I feel we should of done a tad better, although with a little bit of composure in front of goal maybe the result could of been different. My one concern from what I've seen so far is Moses work rate off the ball, he seems to amble when not In possession.

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Enrique had to stay on the line/post. say it hit Enrique and didn't go in, he would be the best thing since sliced bread?

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Awh that's zonal marking for ya there's no point in over analysing last night both teams had chances we didn't take ours they took there's sadly it is as simple as that

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25 Sep 2013 22:08:27
BR and his staff really need to work on defending corners - two goals in two games with enough centre backs playing, teams will try to capitalise on this apparent weakness

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BR, as good a coach that he is lacks one thing and that is BOTTLE!
We should've piled on ManU tonight, Sterling, Ibe would've been a different game with us going at them. they were shaky tonight!

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I'm sure they instruct people to stay with their man. How bout blaming a player rather than BR?

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25 Sep 2013 22:04:50
not knocking gerrard but that was a game he would have taken by the scruff of the neck in years gone by. man u were there for the taking! also br had a chance to bring sterling and ibe on and go 4-4-2 and pin manu back but brought kelly on expecting henderson to bag us a winner!?! we are making progress but sometimes icant work br out. having said that 3-5-2

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25 Sep 2013 21:57:37
Although we lost I'm proud of the lads. We defended fairly well (Apart from the corner) and we looked a threat up front. Nobody likes to lose, but at least that's a few less games to play. Suarez looked a little rusty but that's to be expected, although we seen a few glimpses of him and Sturridge linking up well. At least now we can concentrate 100% on the league. We didn't play too badly and in my opinion we were the better team and were unlucky to lose. I'm proud of the lads tonight, although it's a much changed United side, it was still a strong team they put out, which took a few years to build. Give it a year or two and we may have an even stronger squad. So I'm content with our performance, not delighted but at least we played well for the FULL 90 mins and not just the first half! Bring on the Black Cats!
Cheers.

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25 Sep 2013 21:56:42
Before the doomsayers get on, we played a fantastic game, there was a lot of good football. Considering Suarez has been out for so long his understanding with Sturridge was sublime, apart from that corner from which they scored our defense was a brick wall. Hendo had one bad game, he has been great this season thus far, but he had one blip, he'll bounce back.

Imagine that same formation but with Coutinho instead of Moses in that hole. It's amazing how much of an added dimension Suarez adds to our play.

YNWA!

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25 Sep 2013 21:55:48
Ed fellow reds, why is it that BR won't never say the finishing was terrible and always defends the over passing game .the problem with over passing is that the defending team can get back and into shape

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25 Sep 2013 21:54:26
One player switched off or a second and that was the difference. Much to be pleased about for Liverpool looking at the big picture. Three at the back will suit us with Agger as the spare man and Jonno at right wing back. Will allow Sturridge, Suarez and Coutinho to play as a front 3 without any needing to defend out wide. Sakho settling a bit, he still needs games to get to the pace of it all. Apart from the goal Enrique was very good as was Henderson who again proved what a versatile player he is. Toure & Migs proving they were great buys. Moses the only one who disappointed me and Sakho a bit wobbly at times too. One game a week until Jan now so plenty of time to get a settled team once Johnson, Agger & Coutinho return.

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25 Sep 2013 21:50:19
Bit of a frustrating night, we were no better or worse than united, they simply too their chance and we didn't, I wish we would only play one holding midfielder, thought toure played well, Enriques days have got to be numbered and sterling is simply not strong enough or ready for this level,

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25 Sep 2013 21:47:06
Considering the team BR picked tonight ( almost full strength) I'm really pleased the match didn't go into extra time. I do feel some players should of been rested. Why won't he play Ibe and Alberto? I also liked the look of Toure at DCM when Lucas came off.

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25 Sep 2013 21:46:53
We need to learn from previous games. Defend set pieces better and be more clinical in front of goal. Lots of positive signs, but ultimately a loss and a piece of silverwear we now can't win.

Still, no point crying over spilt milk. 3 points on the weekend and everything will feel much better.

Thought 3 at the back was an inspired tactical change by Rodgers and we probably deserved more.

C'est la vie.

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25 Sep 2013 21:46:00
Honestly I thought we played a great game, the scoreline means nothing. I don't care if we lost because we finally played good possession, passing football like Rodgers has stated since the beginning. if you look at the statistics we made the same amount of shots as manu and we maintained more possession even if it seemed they attacked more, which it did at times. I feel everybody contributed greatly, and we did have at least 3 clear goal chances but that's life. I think most of you agree the best part of the night was watching moses fly through the air like a bullet for that header! also does anybody think Henderson's shot in the last 10 minutes actually pass the goal line even though de gea punched it out? just a thought. I am not dissappointed because I got to see my team battle it out with a good team and although we lost, we showed we still have the fight and passion to win a game. good game and let's go on to win the league games now( which are more important anyways) P.S. need to work on our set piece defending, even though chicharito is a tricky forward in the box.

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Yes well done to Liverpool for at times dominating possession against a 40 year old and a CB playing in midfield.

BR must be embarrassed turning up with the strongest possible line-up against our reserves and losing. Oh dear ;)

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25 Sep 2013 22:41:33
Are u daft the scoreline means everything!

Abbas lfc

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This coming from a Manu fan who is currently sitting 8th in the league table after being humiliated by man city 4-1 and losing to us 1-0. :)

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Me old chicken. The two games against United have shown one thing. There is nothing between us. So either we've improved a lot or you have dropped a lot. Either way I wouldn't expect United to be polishing too much silverware with this manager this season.

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Abbas lfc, did you see the game? If de gea was not in goal we would have made at least three easily! Suarez free kick deflected to the cross bar, henderson's monster shot in the last 10 minutes as well as Moses flying header into the box! Yes the score line is important but we played better than we have all season, honestly that was our best game. And besides what's more important, the league cup or the premier league? Let's focus on the league shall we

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25 Sep 2013 21:45:31
Much improved performance, we may have lost but at least we went done fighting. Toure was magnificient, my MOTM. Special mention to Hendo and Enrique - excellent performance

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25 Sep 2013 21:43:41
Question, who is Liverpools most creative player over the last 10 years? Answer gerrard question, why aren't we playing him there when couthino is out? Very frustrating

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Answer: he doesn't have the legs to play there anymore. Simples

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25 Sep 2013 21:42:59
Where's Gerrard?
Legends can't go on forever, the game has just passed him by.
We can't pick the team on reputation it has to be on merit and sorry to say current form doesn't merit selection.
We are a better team than them and will finish above them in the league,

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25 Sep 2013 21:42:39
Another stinker of a result, 3 pretty poor performances in a row now, I'm sorry folks but Rodgers still has a long way to go to convince me he's the right man for the club. That was a second string Utd team tonight and they still managed to beat what was almost our first eleven - simply not good enough!

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25 Sep 2013 21:40:41
Assessment of the game -

Last third we run out of ideas, at the back Enrique is great going forward until it needs a good ball and great getting back until we face set pieces etc.
gutted we lost when we were the better side but at times we look toothless. yeah yeah yeah sturridge has been great upto now and suarez lacks games but overall I feel an extra quality striker in the window won't hurt,
Positives. If we play like that against Sunderland at the weekend we'll get 3 points.
YNWA JFT96

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At least Enrique gives us more balance and he can get forward

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Sturridge needs to practice using his right foot.

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25 Sep 2013 21:40:22
Overall a pretty decent performance without the result although it's hard to believe that even though the season is only started, depending on how the FA cup goes we may only have 34 games left. disappointed but I honestly believe progress is being made.

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Hear hear wolfhound. We passed the ball well and quickly, gave their defence more trouble than they did ours, and if we had someone who knows how to kick straight we could easily have won. Set piece was our undoing again. If we play like this in the league and convert our chances we don't have anything to worry about. One step at a time.

P.S. Henderson really needs to work on his final ball and shooting

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Agreed with a little more composure, and maybe a little luck, in the final third we could have scored 3 or 4 tonight. On the negative side Gerrard looks pedestrian even Giggs was outrunning him at the end!

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25 Sep 2013 21:40:03
Ed fellow reds, rubbish to many passes .not quick enough moving up the pitch, and we need someone who can put the ball in the net .said since pre season played 3 lost 2 draw 1 not good enough .all the players look naked after 50 minutes in ever game this year as we'll. drop sakho not ready for prem yet

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Sakho was excellent, what game were you watching?

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Sakho is only got one foot, and dives into ever tackle on his arse, he will get more cards in a season than in a deck of cards .agger all day for me sorry mate another waste of £18 million .

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25 Sep 2013 21:39:33
Another needles corner given away just play a right back at right back

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25 Sep 2013 21:38:00
Here we go, business as usual.Wasteful as ever.Its all getting a little bit boring now.

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When a man is bored of Liverpool FC he is bored of life.

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25 Sep 2013 21:37:56
Gerrard should have been rested tonight. his forms been really poor and he needs a rest. him and lucas have been awful the last 3 games

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25 Sep 2013 21:35:46
Message for Steven Gerrard. If you're not interested in playing no more, please do the team a favour and let someone else play, someone who actually wants to be there and work hard.

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Lead in his boots letting that corner over his head.

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25 Sep 2013 21:34:02
if brendan rodgers cannot decide who he wants at centre back than so be it but don't sacrifice a right back and try and play a centre back in that position because it just doesn't work, no penetration no width carry on like this and to be honest i'd rather see roy hodgson in charge wtf, fully deserved defeat, learn by your mistakes but I said this last week along with ever body else obviously its only brendan that hasn't seen the issue, martin kelly englands first chioce right back 8 months ago

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25 Sep 2013 21:21:04
Not posted for a while but what the chuff is going on with Enrique? He is either awesome or totally pap. This surely means question marks over his mental ability to get himself motivated and up for the less attractive matches. Must say great game tonight bearing the one mistake from the corner. Nice to see gnasher back and mingers in top form. Come on lads YNWA JFT96

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He is a good athlete but quite obviously lacking in smarts! Looses concentration all too easily, someone must be using a dog whistle in the crowd when he goes on walkabout!

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25 Sep 2013 20:58:48
Henderson,

Don't let that miss on 54' get you down.I was sure he'd put that one away

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25 Sep 2013 21:07:44
One thing for sure: we cannot score on set pieces, nor can we defend them. Really too bad since we will have exhausted our best players and got nothing positive from the game. For the last 20 mins I really hope Ibe and Alberto get a runout

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25 Sep 2013 21:46:41
I don't think they were tired I think we play too much a times not deadly enough in front of goal they pass when they are suppose to shoot and sturridge needs to keep it simple he lost the ball sooo many times

Abbas lfc

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25 Sep 2013 21:00:39
How many centrebacks do we need to play in order to defend set pieces properly? 3 tonight and 4 on Saturday and it's still no good!

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25 Sep 2013 21:25:15
Too many cooks and all that. No one taking responsibility i'm afraid

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25 Sep 2013 20:52:01
So BR starts with our strongest 11 in Capital One cup? And what if we lose? Really bad decision IMO. Rest Sturridge atleast

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25 Sep 2013 20:45:01
Not enough shots sturridge needs to shoot on sight

Hendo has been best player

Abbas lfc

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25 Sep 2013 20:32:46
Shame we don't get to see McLaughlin play at RWB think he might have been better than Henderson, who keeps getting pulled into the centre. good first half definitely look like the stronger team.

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25 Sep 2013 19:22:14
Anyone know a link to a live stream for the game? Footy Bunker being silly buggers.

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Haven't checked any others but it's on streamhunter. Cheers for whoever suggested that one on Saturday, a lot less popups than some of the others.

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Does anyone know where I find good stream for the game. None of them seem to be working well

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25 Sep 2013 19:17:57
Adam, Liverpres, I told you Rodgers would play his strongest possible eleven. I guess it's realistically the only thing he could win this season. let's see if you can beat our second team. I still think our second choice bar Rooney will beat you today ;)

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Nothing like a nice bit of pre-match banter ;)

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Good even game against the MU reserves ;)

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Wow, replying to your own post . you are in need of some company, one would think!

Even game? Pah!

Utd at home next round again. Pah!

I certainly wouldn't say 18 mill Nani, 20 mill Jones, 20 mill De Gea, 10 mill Smalling are rezzies?

Plus, most Utd fans I know would class Rafael & Evans as 1st team starters. when fit.

Good luck in your quest for top four this year Mr lonely! ;)

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25 Sep 2013 19:08:50
My word. What is wrong with Brendan?! Playing Sturridge, Gerrard and lucas who clearly need a break. Then Kolo at right back. What is the point in buying Alberto and Aspas when you cannot play them in the league cup. Also starting sterling, kelly and or Ibe would have been sensible. Once again I'm baffled by the team selection, clearly the league should be our priority at this time.

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We're not in Europe. We can play our strongest team every game if we like, the players won't be tired. Fitness levels are immense these days. Plus we just started the season - if anyone needs a rest at this point they need binning!

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Get a grip Jassi, our squad isn't massive we can afford to play our strongest team with no European football!

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25 Sep 2013 19:07:38
Suarez starts! Jones and giggs in midfield for utd nani kagawa Rooney Hernandez it's a decen front 4 but question marks over the rest if the team.
We should run all over jones and giggs, butner is a VERY attacking left back with Rafael making his return from injury on the otherside
smaling and Evans CB it's defiantly a team we can beat. We're never gunna hear the end of it if we don't! Really scared of kagawa and Hernandez though both out to prove a point and both quality players! Come on Suarez we've stuck by you time to repay us tonight!

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25 Sep 2013 19:04:36
According to LFC website the teams for tonight are : Mignolet, Enrique, Toure, Sakho, Skrtel, Henderson, Lucas, Gerrard, Moses, Suarez, Sturridge.

Subs: Jones, Alberto, Aspas, Sterling, Ibe, Kelly, Wisdom.

Manchester United team: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Buttner, Nani, Jones, Giggs, Kagawa, Rooney, Hernandez.

Manchester United subs: Amos, Fabio, Anderson, Carrick, Zaha, Januzaj, Welbeck.

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Dream on mate, we've had our time at the top now best we can hope for is top, but that's the top 5 .to slow going forward to rip teams apart .we would struggle to rip a paper bag apart .

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25 Sep 2013 19:04:07
What a weekend of football. We could be top again come Monday if things can go our way. Arsenal away to Swansea, hard game for arsenal. Spurs v Chelsea. Draw written all over that 1 I think. Man city away to villa. Still early days yet, I know. But you know what they say. Every little helps. 1 point gain for us and a 1 point loss for our rivals could mean the difference between champs league/europa league/nothing at the end of the season. Just hope we can do this season what we have struggled to do in previous seasons. and win a game when our rivals drop points. Makes it so much easier to get top 4.
Time will tell. Good luck tonight and against Sunderland at the weekend. YNWA!

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25 Sep 2013 19:01:19
Hey Eds. what website can I watch the game on I tried to buy a sky day pass but I don't think I can do it with a USA address please help don't care if I have to pay.

Thanks

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25 Sep 2013 18:59:47
Rogers seems to have a good eye for talent but unfortunately lack of Champions League is his greatest enemy as players will and has turned down LFC for a chance to be in the big games. Watching Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Deigo Costa is so frustrating as they are doing quite well and snubbed us for Europe Cup playtime. Anyway life goes on and glad Suarez is finally back now get us a victory over em' Devils. 3-1 Lfc. cheers mates

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25 Sep 2013 18:44:45
Love him or hate him at 6/1 I had to back him

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25 Sep 2013 18:06:11
luis suarez is STARTING.
as is andre wisdom and raheem sterling

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25 Sep 2013 18:05:17
United could make changes tonight but I would much rather play there "first" team than the likes of kagawa Hernandez etc.

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25 Sep 2013 17:19:38
goodluck to the reds tonight hope all goes well and the bad posts r keep away, we need to put in a good two halfs of football to come outa old toilet still in the cup imo c"mon the reds.

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25 Sep 2013 15:26:06
Cant wait for the match tonight, have been quite ill recently and spending a lot of time curled up in my blanket. Although I hurt like hell i'm up and buzzing. If we win tonight does anyone know the last time we would've downed the mancs twice so early in a season? I know moyes in transition blah blah, but frankly I couldn't give a monkeys. i'd love it if we beat them, love it! let's hope come full time i'm not slumped over my hoarding board aye!

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Totally agree with you mate, we were supposed to be in transition last year when Rogers first come in and nobody gave us any sympathy. And we had just as hard a start as United have had this year.
2-0 to the BR army tonight, Suarez and Sterling.

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. are you Kevin keegan by any chance -". I'd love it if we beat them! I'd love it!". Get well soon!

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Never known us to beat the Mancs twice before the end of September. Would be a great start but i'm wary of the 2nd string they have playing as they'll be up for it, especially Hernandez and Kagawa. Got a few bets on us though, as well as a red card at some point in the match as I reckon it'll kick off at some point. We look really strong with Lucas behind Hendo and Gerrard in a 3-man midfield though. COME ON LADS!

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Two points for statto, good shout! Disapointed with the result but hey it could be worse, I could(never) be a manc! Back to my blanket! Peace eds and reds!

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25 Sep 2013 14:16:56
I see Lewandowski is doing a Michael Owen, but even worse. At least Owen went to Spain! And at least we got a bit of cash for Owen. Dortmund will get nothing for him.

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I have to admit I was very surprised they did not put him up for auction last summer. Dortmund potentially left what - 20-30 million on the table? Very odd for such a well-run club.

And for what? I don't think they will win the CL this season. They had their chance.

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Dortmund could have sold him for £30 million to United or any of the other teams sniffing around him over the last two years. Lewandowski has made it quite clear and plain he wants to leave and will not sign a new contract at Dortmund.

Owen, I think, made an ultimatum to Liverpool hierarchy, saying that he'd only stay if Rafa Benitez was hired as the new manager after Houllier left. The club got Benitez and Owen still left for Real for around £7 million and Antonio Nunez coming the other way. That might be wrong, but that's how I understood it to be. Happy to be corrected though.

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25 Sep 2013 13:34:34
Watching the game tonight at mine with 7 Mancs. I'll be the only Liverpool fan. Obviously I'm hoping for a win for all the normal reasons, but it'll be that extra bit special if I get to see the look of despair sweep across each of my friends' faces simultaneously as we kick them out the competition!

JFT 96

JP

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Stay strong mucker

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25 Sep 2013 13:33:13
Apparently Suso is in La Liga team of the week!
YNWA JFT96

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All good news for us hopefully he keeps it going

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25 Sep 2013 13:14:26
hi everyone,

i am just keen to know what peoples thoughts are on this. I often read on here people saying they would want suarez out and a more "clinical striker" brought in. first of all, whilst he might not take all of his chances a record of 51 goals in 96 games for lpool and 30 last season (which takes some doing) can someone explain how someone could come in and do a better job? also, if we were to lose suarez surely the money would be better re-invested in other areas? sturridge is 1st choice so to buy a world class striker wouldn't make sense imo.

thoughts anyone?

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I think people are referring to the fact that Luis Suarez plays for himself instead of the team, where a striker can score goals and be a team player at the same time would be more in keepinf with the traditions of the Football Club .

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I'd argue that Sturridge has done a better job, at least as a central striker, than Luis would have done. By not clinical, they're generally referring not to the amount of goals, but the number of shots needed to get there. Suarez had the second most shots in all of Europe last season yet was not the second highest goal scorer. Typically 'high level' strikers (think Cavani, Lewandowski, Van Persie, Falcao, etc) tend to have non-penalty conversion rates somewhere between 16-20%. Suarez last season was around 12% as I recall and well under 10% the year before last. In his entire time at Ajax, he was also under 10% which is quite poor for 'one of the best strikers in the world' as I often see him called.

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Who told you sturridge is first choice.when luis gets back to kis best we would see about that

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What does it matter if he only has a 12% conversion rate if he makes himself twice as many chances as other strikers?

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Chelsea fan here, we've been after a clinical striker since Drogba left, they're not easy to come by, and just because you have the money, you can't make them come (ie falcao, cavani) I would love to have a goalscorer like Suarez at Chelsea, you did well to hang on to him!

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Thanks for the replies guys.

I appreciate that he needs a lot of shots to get the goals but in my eyes someone who scores that amount of goals would still be a struggle to improve on.

Jessie, I am 100% confident Sturridge is 1st choice. Suarez will play out wide

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25 Sep 2013 12:56:10
As the Alonso rumours are appearing again (if they ever went away?) I'm not here to say if he will rejoin or not. I want talk about how much longer he can play at the top level.

Now Alonso is over the age of 30 a nail in the coffin according to our owners. With the likes of Maldini, Pirlo, Giggs even Lampard and our very own Stevie g played or going to play on into there late 30's even 40's.

Such players are able to do this by adapting there game eg Stevie g playing deeper or Lampard sitting on the 18 box waiting for the ball to come to him.

My view is Xabi Alonso has the type of game and physical attributes that already has the making of a career well into his 30's and beyond. He's a player who stays behind the ball does not rely on pace and is an intelligent player a simple winner of the ball with intelligent passing. Any team who signs Xabi in the future is going to get a bargin. All the best.

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24 Sep 2013 11:09:00
What do u now about lorient striker Alain Traore ed he looks a exciting talent {Ed002's Note - Not much really. Much is expected of his brother Bertie.}

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25 Sep 2013 12:03:12
The injury to couthinio and the result against Southampton has m ade evident the severe lack of depth in the squad as far as and attacking creative midfielder is concerned and should be the next area to be addresses.

One question for you Ed, we've all seen Gerrard perform at legendary status in the past in that attacking mid field role, I understand he is now being played deeper but with an injury like this why can't Rodgers put him in that role behind the striker and put joe allen or even Henderson or alberto in the deep laying role?

If we could pick any team we wanted to play away in the league we would pick sunderland at the moment. So hope we can get the three points there and then against palace and prove this to be a minor blimp.

Win against united would make my day, time to see which team bounces back better. {Ed001's Note - because he no longer has the drive, power and pace to burst through like he once did.}

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25 Sep 2013 12:56:03
I agree with the Ed. If Gerrard was making runs, bursting forward and pressing the defence like he used to in that position, he'd only last about half an hour mate. The club is currently falling victim to something Shankly and Paisley never stood for. If a player no longer fitted into the system, or was too old, then they very brutally dropped them. Regardless of status . Gerrard would be a good impact sub to play the last half an hour. I remember 2/3 years ago he came on for the second half against Napoli in the Europa league, and because he didn't have to pace himself, we saw a glimpse of the old Gerrard. He smashed 3 goals in that game in a 45 minute period. I think across half an hour, he could still have a positive effect in a more forward role. Sitting deeper though he lacks the discipline and the energy required. He is constantly caught out of position (e.g Shelveys goal against Swansea; he didn't need to close Shelvey down as well as Lucas. It just left a huge gap in between them and the defence), and he doesn't have the energy to press the opposition enough. He's just doesn't appear mobile enough anymore because he is constantly pacing himself to last the 90 minutes. He's by no stretch of the imagination a bad player though. His passing range is second to nobody in the league, his vision is still there, he is still composed in front of goal and on the ball, and he still loves a tackle. He needs a half an hour free role to just see out the game and lead by example. It'd probably solve our lacklustre second half performances, and our lack of balance in the deeper midfield roles all in one. My midfield trio would be:
Lucas
Hendo-Coutinho
Then I'd bring on Gerrard for either Hendo or Coutinho for 30 minutes to see out the game. We cannot continue to build our team around a 33 year old playing out of position. There is no room for sentimentality in football. Gerrard can still be the teams leader along with the likes of Agger, Lucas and Toure. He is very Versatile so would be a great player to have to come of the bench. A real gamechanger. I know this whole post is quite controversial amongst Liverpool fans, but It's just what needs to happen.

YNWAdam

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I disagree ed, i'm pretty sure he can do it on a temporary basis if nothing else and keeping in mind we have no alternatives, lampards still doing it and he's lost a lot of pace too.

Should be atleast tried if anything else

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Of course he still has the power and drive and ability to play in the AM role and that's exactly where he should be being played especially with Couthino out. Even with Couthino available Gerrard shouldn't be playing as a DM as it is simply a waste.
Of course it's all about opinions but remember if Ed001 had had his way Gerrard would have been sold 2 years ago

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I would actually prefer seeing Gerrard play 30 mins in the CAM role as a super sub than as a deep lying play maker for the full 90 mins. Surely BR must have at least given a thought to it. At 33, u can't expect him to run the show every game. Fat Frank didn't do too badly last season playing there for chelsea in cameo appearances.

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Good debate. I remember Lothar Mattaus making some sensational runs and he was then moved back into a deeper role and was still magnificent. That's how I see Stevie. Personally I'd rather him play and influence than be on the bench.

Here's hoping Alberto gets a chance tonight

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He doesn't track runners from midfield anymore when deep, so why not play him further up the pitch?

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25 Sep 2013 10:49:56
Looks like we dodged a bullet with Willian. Even Assaidi has a better end product than that overpriced mercenary.

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The fact he moved to anzi in his career shows we dogged a bullet money motivated no good

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If he had signed for us and was being written off after a couple of games you would be telling everyone that there terrible supporters for judging a player so soon and he will become world class if given a chance. Make your minds up, you can't have it both ways.

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We're quick to criticise other teams' failures but happy to give our men in red a long length of rope, Waro. I don't see much wrong with that

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25 Sep 2013 12:35:10
Agree with Waro. Willian in my opinion will be a flop, but I'm basing that on his entire history as a player, not just his poor start for Chelsea.

YNWAdam

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25 Sep 2013 13:26:14
Very excellent post by Waro.

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I agree with Waro.

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25 Sep 2013 10:14:02
What has happened to Jerome Sinclair. I don't think I've seen him on loan, and I haven't seen him on a team sheet. It looks like he might be injured. Does anyone know?

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Yeah, and it is also interesting, what happened with Yesil - it's his 2nd year, at least he should show something at u-21 play.

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He's to young to be out on loan

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Jerome Sinclair is too young to go on loan and has been injured for most of last season and this, but made the bench for the last U-18's game I think and trained with the first team a few days ago.

Samed Yesil is recovering from a very serious injury, just like Brad Smith and Marc Pelosi and all of them are on the road to recovery.

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Zaibys, Yesil ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament and has not been available to play.
However when he is fully fit I think he could be an absolute gem

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Yesil has been injured and badly as well so he won't be rushed back into action.

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25 Sep 2013 09:38:44
Hi guys

I was looking at the Guardian Knowledge archive and it had a query on palindromic footballers. Anyhow they mention one Leon Noel (who I have to say I have never heard of),

"Liverpool's 17-year-old youth team player Leon Noel certainly makes the palindrome grade. He might also make the grade on the pitch too. According to Liverpooltv.com, Noel's "a powerful centre forward who can also play in a wide role. One of the quickest players at the club he is very strong and a tremendous hard worker for the team cause, " the club's potted biography adds (as only potted biographies can). "His strength makes him difficult to play against and he is progressing well.",

I was just wondering if anyone knows what ever became of him?

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25 Sep 2013 00:15:12
Hypothetical question of course but if you could choose a win tomorrow or a win on Sunday which would you choose?

For me its the league game without a doubt.

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League is the most important, if I had to choose it would always be a league game.

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3 points on Sunday please!

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A win tomorrow for sure. If we lose tomorrow, we are out. A loss on the weekend does not end our chances of reaching top four in the league.

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The league is our first priority. I couldn't care less if we lost 10-0 to the mancs tomorrow but picked up 3 points at Sunderland. The longer we stay outa the UCL, the harder it will be to get back into it.

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The league is relevant, the cup is just a bonus and a distraction. I'd take 3 points every time

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We could win both :)

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