Liverpool Banter Archive August 26 2013

26 Aug 2013 23:26:33
Why offer Suarez a new contract when he only extended his present deal fairly recently?

Surely LFC aren't going to offer him more money after standing so firm when he disrespected the Club and what is gained by telling the whole world that he now has a release clause?

As soon as someone meets that he will be off so is this just the exit strategy wrapped up in fancy ribbons and bows? {Ed030's Note - It would most likely be a proposition from Suarez to earn more money for a year and increase his value then he would get his move next season,Liverpool get a higher fee and his agent gets a higher cut,It makes sense to me that it possibly could be his agent. }

New contract, only in football. We should have a clause in there that if he acts like a person on the pitch then he foregoes his salary!

Plus he gets a real release clause in it, ie moves abroad for 40 million plus

Not more money but I would like to bet the new contract will state he is allowed to leave for a CL team this time!

What i'd put into the contract:

1) Can only move to a club playing CL football.

2) Cannot join another English Team.

3) The release clause is £55M.

4) If Liverpool fail to qualify for the CL than he can leave if he chooses to. {Ed002's Note - And how much more will you be paying him to have him sign that? And you are of course happy with having a player who really truly wants to leave the club being in the dressing room with the players he says are not good enough?}

I would wager any new contract has an actual release clause of 50-55m. A contract can't stipulate who we will sell to or not (restraint of trade) so any English club matching the fee and agreeing terms could sign him. {Ed002's Note - It is rather more complicated than that.}

If he doesn't renew then he has 2 year come next summer. Considerably strengthening his position and lowering his value

I'm aware of that Ed. Even my own contract extends to more than 2 lines! My point is the central change would likely be clarification about the fee we would want for an actual sale as that has been the central bone of contention (according to the PFA anyway). {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the PFA and a letter has been written apologising for some statements made by the PFA on a national radio station.}

I know it's nothing to do with them but Gordon Taylor did say clauses like the one (allegedly) in LS contract are "more trouble than they are worth". We all know LS and his agent have a beef about the terminology so I am saying given what we know any re-drafted contract (if its true of course) is likely to be more clear about an actual release fee? If you are saying this isn't so what would the new contracts purpose be? I'm not being funny I'm keen to get your take on it? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know what they would look to put in the contract. Maybe they won't need one.}

26 Aug 2013 23:04:23
i hope i'm not too far ahead of myself here but am I right in saying these big clubs aren't a million miles in front of us? were sll sayinh top 4 i'm not saying were as good as city and united. but I don't think were as far away as what people are saying. one class lw and we really do have a league winning attack and that's not unrealistic say we get for example arda or some one your looking at coutinho sturridge suarez and arda to me I can't see a better one bar city. I just think if we could push boot out I really think anythings achievable it will al be mental

Long may Sturridge keep fit and keep scoring. Long may Coutinho keep assisting, dumbing and through balling. Long may Gerrard take the pens and free kicks and smack the ball in. Long may Agger keep elbowing Torres' jaw in and so on. :)

For me we are some way off. but I know what you are saying

If you look at our starting 11 and general abilty then we are up there but over 38-50 + games we do not have the depth needed.

I think the saying about looking at the bench is true and ours and non subs, while good, is some way off the top 3 at least

26 Aug 2013 22:28:59
Ed's/ Reds given the money that we were putting towards the Willian deal. Who would you spend it on now? Realistic targets only please.

Regards

Turan shaqiri yarmolenko lamela Muriel

Well if we bid what roughly £23-25m would probably go for either Yarmolenko or Muriel, both aren't typical wingers and can score goals or play as striker/winger if needed (allows for more interchanging between front 3/4 and both score goals). If not maybe Konoplyanka (however it's spelt), haven't seen much of him as others but scores goals and is appears incredible fast, which causes problems. Plus all three are young 23ish would be between 15-20m and could have good re-sale value if it came to that. Really hope it's one of them.probably not though

Thanks guys. Seems to me like most people have similar ideas of potential targets. Let’s just hope we can land one or two more before the window shuts.

Still think no matter who we buy Kolo is going to be the buy of the summer. Looks an absolute monster atm.

We wanted to sign Willian before a decision was made to keep Suarez. There is no 25m player coming now.

26 Aug 2013 22:21:42
Im not saying he's quite as flashy but victor moses would be a better signing than willian imo

Hes got a better goal nd assist record in a top European league. At Wigan he was in a bad side but still took on defenders nd created chances.

Hes stronger so is more suited to the epl nd can brush off challenges.

Hes cheaper nd represents better value for money.

Imagine Suarez coutinho moses sturridge up top nd lfc would have it all: pace power finishing creativity hard work energy final pass.

I agree

Have got to agree with you, think that lot could turn any defence inside-out, would rather we got him on a permanent deal though as I think if we had DS on loan from last summer with no purchase option at the end of it he'd be back at Chelsea now a much better player than when he left em.

26 Aug 2013 23:36:20
I strongly disagree.

I also disagree and was actually wondering if you are kidding? {Ed002's Note - There is never any kidding on these pages. Occasional pathos - that's it.}

Occasional?

Andy K

Moses better than Willian? Is that why Chelsea, the club Moses plays for, bought Moses instead of Willian after they didn't get Willian originally last year, and now, when Willian was available, bought him for £30 million and want to get rid of Moses?

Still think Moses is better than Willian or is it questionable judgement on Chelsea's part?

Willian doesn't have as good a stats. Chelsea are paying 20m more for a guy who beats players twice with stepovers nd skills but moses is more than capable of beating them with strength nd pace. He may not be as entertaining but he can do the same role just as well. Honestly dya think all of Chelseas signings have been sensible in the last 10 years?

26 Aug 2013 22:04:49
on Moses again. I just hope there is an option to buy for this rumoured loan

I agree with this

26 Aug 2013 22:02:45
I won't be happy with anything other than a win on Sunday after watching that shower of sh*te. The job is way too big for Moyes. 3 points is what we will get on Sunday, Moyes is out of his depth. That had all the intensity of a soggy chip.

I assume you said the same about rodgers this time last year?

Why would I? Firstly I'm a Liverpool fan, and secondly we never put in a performance like that the whole season, let alone our first home game of the season. Apologies if you are either a David Moyes or Man United fan there Kumber, my intention was not to cause offence.

Two rounds in, champ.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 21:49:07
beat united next sunday and we re top of the league

We have no other option now do we.

After the outcome of the Chelsea-ManU game, we just have to win on Sunday.

I was hoping for a Chelsea win at Old Trafford. That way, a draw would be a good result for us.

But as it is now, we have no other option but to win.

Boys relax, I wouldn't even look at the table until 10 games in. That said we must beat united.

26 Aug 2013 21:31:05
It is two games in and a lot of people seem to be getting carried away with results, individual performances and transfer speculation. I had a tenner on us to win league a while ago but I can afford to lose a tenner if it doesn't come off.
I am not reading too much into other teams results or performances so far, it is a long season and the top teams will get better and we will be unlucky at some point. So let's just calm down and enjoy a good start.

That is the worst, most contradictory post I've ever read. Your right the top teams will get better, we are not a top team. We are on the fringe of being one so we build on the good start you mention with the much needed quality additions in the transfer market while we can a week left in the market.

I'm right with you CC. What is the point of this post? I don't want to calm down! I want to get excited! Isn't that why we love the sport?
Have a tenner on Liverpool to finish in the top 4 and get EXCITED about it!

Are you kidding me? We are not a top team! You believe in this rubbish about top four being enough like a wenger clone but I grew up with the title most years. If you read the posts every day like I do then you will see people saying that spurs midfield isn't all that good or that someone isn't impressed with Manchester United because they havn't added to their title winning squad. I am merely stating that is too early to be over confident about other teams challenge. I may not have put it over in such succinct terms that there could be no debate about what I have said but I believe in this team and it reminds me of when Dalglish was manager with the Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge team of 29 games unbeaten until we lost to Everton. Do you remember that?

I react badly to your post because "worst post ever" on this page takes some bloody doing.

26 Aug 2013 21:16:11
What tonights game and the man city tells me is that if' we get in two top players without selling suarez is that we Woukd challenge. No.doubht imo do we ATM in time have the best front three in the PL in coutinho, suarez and sturridge. Matches are won and lost in the middle of the park. Erriskson would be a truly great addition and another quailty CB would put us in a very strong position. Erriskson doesn't look like it will happen so I hope BR has something up his sleeve ;)

26 Aug 2013 21:15:55
Eds why are we continually being linked with the likes of Eriksen, Sako, Turan, Alderwierld, Damiao, etc when clearly it's not going to happen? And especially now that LS is staying. The most we will do now is maybe a defender to cover and also someone like Moses(cheap) on loan.

Lets just see what happens. I don't see Suarez staying and if he goes then there will be replacements. We still have a few days of madness to come yet.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 21:00:56
Just watching the man u / chelski game and have to say i'm quite surprised. United look poor with no real ideas. Mourinho has clearly come for a point, and Chelsea look very lethargic, again with no real threat.

If this game is a fore runner for the supposed 1st and 2nd placed positions, we really have nothing to worry about, and i'm not getting ahead of myself before you ask!

Last season despite united winning the league, they did not impress me at all, and I happen to agree with Carra when he said Fergie alone was worth 10-12 points in a season. I don't think Moyes is up to the job, its too big for him, and the team look very ordinary. Vidic and Ferdinand at the back have no pace and will get roasted by a real striker, and make no mistakes, in Sturridge we certainly have one. I don't think Cleverley will ever be in the same league as Scholes, and for me Valencia is poor. As for Jones, well it would be unfair on Steve Bruce to say he is similar. He is an out and out plodder with almost zero football skill. Definitely a dodged bullet there.
From what I've just seen so far we certainly don't have a lot to worry about, both United and Chelski are suffering from new manager syndrome.
ps our very own Rafa had them playing real attractive and skillful football, but Mourinho is just playing it safe, and for me, the Chelski fans deserve him after what they did to Rafa

Seriously tel

united and chelsea are miles ahead of us

moyes, he ll need this season to come to terms with the magnitude of united(much like rodgers last season for us) and after that it ll be united as usual

As long as Moyes keeps playing the likes of Cleverly and Welbeck they will struggle. Why on earth he wouldn't play Kagawa is absolutely beyond me (unless he's injured or something- I don't follow their players).

I was thinking the same Tel. None of the top teams have impressed me yet. I probably wouldn't go as far as saying we have nothing to worry about but I suppose we will see how close we are to competing when we play Man U on sunday.

Red Rum

26 Aug 2013 20:52:37
Hey Eds, with Lukaku looking likely to face more time on the bench, any chance you think Liverpool would go for him in the January window? Have we shown any previous interest? {Ed002's Note - No, none.}

26 Aug 2013 20:03:40
I don't think we are too far off 4th. Last year we were twelwe points off. Reina did cost at least six, and I think Skrtel cost two. Now we have got Mignolet and Toure in, solid players that will not give away points. If we were 4 points of last year, then we are going to do better this year cause the team has been played together and they have played under Rodgers for some time.

YNWA!
RODGERS!

I agree mate! Also last year took us 7 games to get to 6 points. So far we are on 6 points from 2 games so the next 5 games will basically be a bonus on last year and winning 4 of them would be the 12 point bridge aswell! Looks good so far but will wait to see how we fair against united next weekend before I get any hope of a top 4!

Wow I know I can recall incidents were individual players cost us goals but to cost us points is ridiculous. If that's the case then without Luis last season we would have got relegated.

Yeah CC if we're beating Man City 2-1 and skytel plays a short back pass and gifts a goal. He's cost us a goal and 2 points. If we're beating arsenal 1nil and reina flaps at the ball in the last minute and concedes a goal then he's cost us a goal and 2 points.

If you're going to be a smart arse it helps to be smart.

26 Aug 2013 19:59:41
Question take 50 million on Torres and buy carol. take 50 million plus for Suarez spend it on quality next window. we are in the rebuilding process boys

26 Aug 2013 19:55:55
I would take Moses he's a upgrade on downing

Upgrade. Are you for real he's no better and as I said earlier i'd rather us just use sterling & Ibe instead as they have both got bright futures ahead of them rather than loan him as he's useless

I agree I think he'd be a great signing for us, he looks like the only option for the left side for us now being realistic we'd have no chance of signing the likes of Turan or Ayew, at least with Moses you can guarantee goals, assists, physicality and consistency something that our other rumoured targets seem to be lacking.

He would not be replacing Downing

I agree with kieran, I hope brandan does too

Moses will be a good addition

another young talented player stiffled at a massive club

couti, sturridge, moses could be another.yes he s a little raw and needs some polishing but he does have the raw attributes to be a huge success in the epl
he has something our other wide players except ibe lack(and ibe has never played an eplgame) pace and power combined. he s direct, he pops up with goals and he knows how to hurt teams from wide rght or wide left

ithink it could be an exceptional signing for a relatively small fee

Who is to say coming to an even more massive club won, t stifle him more?.?

Moses bagged 10 goals in 43 games

that better than any of our wide players

ie he is an upgrade

Ibe started against QPR last game of the season if I'm not mistaken

Really? He would hardly add much. He has pace but end product not great and crossing not good either.

I agree he would be okay to have if we have to brelt shed any money for him, otherwise give some of our youth a go. While some say they may not be as good yet, they playing style and skills will be largely unknown making them perhaps more dangerous

26 Aug 2013 19:46:16
I see Liverpool are deliberately showing Suarez in most of the training photos, it's like they want us to like him again. I hope sturridge doesn't get moved for Suarez when he's available again Suarez can play out wide if we can't get anyone in.

26 Aug 2013 19:18:32
With Suarez now staying, where do you see him fitting into our formation? Or would he cause for our formation to change? Thanks

Right of Sturridge in a front three!

I hope not I like Sturridge up top. I hope he plays wide with Coutinho in the hole.

Suarez can play LW or RW, he plays LW for Uruguay & played RW for Ajax, Sturridge will play ST, Suarez RW, Coutinho AM & hopefully a new quality LW

It doesn't matter wherever he plays he's quality

Aspas? Written off as being lightweight presumably? Although he was extremely good against Stoke and has played two competitive games in England. My god, the lack of patience sometimes. Sturridge, Aspas, Suarez & Coutinho with all four rotating is my preference.

I would imagine we'd play the same way he did the last 10 or so games last year when he, Sturridge, and Coutinho played together?

Its obvious after two or three games when suarez comes back dani drops to the bench.he isn't quality enough to push suarez out wide

I would prefer Suarez to play behind Sturridge with Coutinho on his left and hopefully a new right midfielder to play on his right.

Red Rum

26 Aug 2013 20:44:12
Were he available, I reckon Suarez would replace Aspas in the team as it is now. Coutinho, Hendo and Suarez would rotate between left, right and centre behind Sturridge.

I don't see Sturridge being dropped or forced to play wide (even nominally so within our flexible system) to accommodate Suarez. He's our main goal threat.

Drop Sturridge? Are you mad? What does the kid need to do, score a hat trick every game? 18 appearances, 13 goals, and 3 (or 5, depending on how you count) assists. In the first two games, 7 shots, 4 on target, and 2 in the back of net for a conversion rate of almost 30%.

I believe the entire discussion is moot as I do not believe that Suarez will play for Liverpool again. Time will tell and I have not inside info, just an opinion.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 19:04:53
i know there's been a slight bettin flurry on ben arfa to lfc . he be a gr8 addition givin he's able to stay fit but that's d gamble with him. if we got him and moses on loan i'd reckon we be looking very good indeed . balance pace and power on the wings and up top. strenght in defence and gerard and lucas as that shield . be very tuff prospect lfc

26 Aug 2013 19:01:44
Is Liverpool u21 playing tonight?

No game this week for U21, next Mon away to Leicester

How come? i saw liverpool-bolton u21 and postponed?

Not sure of the reasons why but the fixture has been put back to December.

26 Aug 2013 18:23:15
Personally if I was Brendan Rodgers, coming into then final week of the transfer window, i'd be looking to sign a defensive midfielder, a centre back and a left forward. The three i'd be looking to sign is Mata, Alderweireld and Momo Sissoko even if those three are extremely unlikely! More realistic signings are probably Llori and Moses. Either way, i'd be happy with the Llori-Moses additions to the squad as they would provide depth to this Liverpool squad. let's see how this final week pans out.

26 Aug 2013 17:33:06
Ayew or Moses?

I know who I would have, definitely Ayew.

Sean Dundee for me

Hey MarcO, I remember the first time I tried beer too! aahhh.

Not much competition really ability wise.

What at work! I wish

No on a serious note, Moses for me as Ayew looks more like a player who likes to be on the end of crosses not take on a player like I think we need. But that's just me judging him off Youtube. He does look a beast with his head though.

26 Aug 2013 17:13:45
Eds, fellow reds, just a quick thought on bale story, I don't believe, there are any other clubs in for bale .but it's Levys way of trying to push the price up closer to £100 million .but I would piss myself if Madrid then pulled out because of spuds greed .

Yeah, that would be terrible for Spurs. Bale and their new signings would make them dead certs for top 4 and all that they have spent so far will be justified with CL money.

I agree it would be very funny after they've spent all of this money and then can't recoup any of it, they are being greedy but you can't really blame them to an extent, if Madrid are stupid enough to spend that amount of money on Bale then more fool them. Bale is good but not THAT good.

IF they pull out of the Bale deal, they could put an improved offer in for Suarez. Perhaps nearer a figure that would temp us to sell or part ex? Just a thought ( and not a happy one!)

So just because they're spending a ton on overrated players they're guaranteed top 4 with Bale? Pfff

26 Aug 2013 17:06:18
What are u lot piping on about! Suarez is a world beater the only one we have! Yes he's bein a person an wants to go, but I think we have every chance if top 4 this year I've watched spurs they are no better than us they have bought big but there loosing bale a match winner, looking at there squad I don't see any match winners in there. 10 games left last year an we were still in the running for 4th after a horrible season! We are much better this year a full season of Lucas, coutinho an sturridge plus add Suarez to the line up and were a very good side! If we qualify for the CL wouldn't you want Suarez in the team when we line up againts barca next year? I no I would! YNWA

He's signed for Fiorentina I believe. Won't be moving to LFC that for sure.

A United supporting mate said something that was spot on a few years back. Liverpool can beat none on their day but don't have enough game changers, enough players to worry opponents before a ball is kicked. That was in Gerrard/Torres days under Rafa. We now have Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho & Gerrard (still great but not as much of a goal threat playing deeper). When we click now teams worry because they don't know where our creative players are - they are all unpredictable. Just saying.

26 Aug 2013 17:03:15
For all those Moses Haters I pray we sign him and include an option to buy because the boy is good and we will have really missed a trick if we don't sign him.
Is he as good as Sturridge Heck yeah.
Im a football fan not just a Red. Followed the boy from way back. He is better than most if we can get him for under 10m i'm good.

All he needs is playing time. we have a good team and a great coach. I say get Moses. he will excel at LFC.
You can take that to the bank.
And yes he is as good as Sturridge, not a typo. Just needs a bit of polishing

I believe he will change a few peoples minds, chelsea may have bought for there english quota which is BS as they had enough.

if he signs we need to support him, we never did it enough with Lucas and he had to battle through to change everyones minds. we doubted Stirridge, Coutinho (due to being too lightweight) along with others. if he pulls on a red shirt dressed with a liverbird we back him. Remember the legend that was Biscan, we backed him all the way yet he was not the most gifted and when needed he brought some value.

We support, We back or we shut up

sorry for moaning but I hate the negative comments about players who when backed by us take them to another level

No offence Sweetcorn, but aren't you the sweetcorn that comes out of the rear undigested?

If not, I'm sorry, but you've certainly spouted some shabite there lad.

To me, as with many other supporters, it's an unwritten rule to support players without being patronised.

26 Aug 2013 16:51:20
Eds, there is supposedly more teams in for Bale than just Madrid, if Madrid do lose out on Bale, do you think it could help us ramp up the price on Suarez a little more?

Also, I know this is not exactly Liverpool related, but who are the other team(s) that are chasing Bale if there are any? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I would not try and link the transfers at all. I am also not aware of any other bids for Bale and could only guess at who might be involved, if anyone.}

^ bet RDL had no problem before the bite incident last year. Everyone was rooting for Suarez. He scored tons for us last year and if it wasnt for him we woulda finished even lower in the table and really looked like a mediocr/ rubbish club. I want Luis back in the side. Because I want to be in the champions league again. Luis Suarez is amazing. Ill be honest I have some mixed feelings for him now. He's acting like a little person ever since the bite and trying to force a move but hey, we put our foot down. And now it looks like he's staying. Ill be thrilled once he comes back. Hopefully we make 4th this year and all of this mess will be forgotten. If he leaves after that who cares because well be able to attract top quality stars again. Either way well get a lot of money for him when the time comes so that's a positive as well. He owes us a great season this year. He has been out of order but I can put all the BULLSH*T aside and let bygones be bygones if it means us making the champions league. He's world class people don't forget it. Put you're feelings aside and focus on winning. The chances are better with Luis in the side. But it also is great to know that we don't need him to win as well! With or without well be good. I prefer him in my team though any day. And I also think we should still sign a top player in case this hot head loses it again & gets banned again.

Shouts out to you Nick, I very much so agree!

Uh, no. I've disliked Suarez for quite some time and well, well before the bite incident.

Since he's been here, he's stamped on people's Achilles, stepped on chests, thrown elbows and eye gouged with the best of them, repeatedly dived, been incredibly wasteful in front of goal and just an all round ball hog, moaned and groaned constantly about not getting the pass he wanted with his lame little eye rolls and hand waves, managed to have a large part in the sacking of a club legend, given awful interviews to the press, called another manager a liar, said his teammates weren't good enough, attempted 9000 nutmegs of which 10 came off and made the highlight reel, tried to engineer his way out of the club, flirted with Juventus to get more money out of LFC, been banned not once, not twice, but thrice, bit another professional player for the second time in his career, and just been a general all round pain the ass for everyone in the club. But it's all good for some because he manages to score a handful of goals after taking more shots than anyone else in Europe bar Ronaldo.

That's why I don't like him and I want him gone, not because of one bite (which was awful enough) but because of a repeated inability to operate with a half a brain cell.

That's my opinion but obviously you are more than welcome to have a different one.

26 Aug 2013 15:56:33
hey eds, was just wondering what are the chances of us going for Sidney sam, sorry if this has been asked before {Ed002's Note - About zero.}

I agree . Moses would be worthtaking on loan. rafa used him last season and he chipped in with a few goals - he's got more experience than ibe and sterling and is strong and quick. A years loan seems a good bet, he can rotate with ibe and sterling when apropriate. don't see what the issue is - BR seems to have done ok with signings so give him a break.

26 Aug 2013 15:47:29
hi eds, with the willian deal did we only look at him because of the situtation that came up with his club looking to sell some of there top earners and i'm guessing he wouldn't have been a target otherwise?if this was the case do u think we would hve another top target in mind especially with downingbeing moved on, one thing I think were doing is sending out the message that we can't afford and are not attracting our top targets, ie costa and hm not wanting the move and willian deal falling through due to money, I hope we make our next top target our next signing,
thanks
jeff {Ed002's Note - This has all been done to death. Nobody listens to any "messages" that posters thinks Liverpool are sending.}

I honestly don't understand this 'sending of messages' or showing 'a massive statement of intent' thing. So you show a massive statement of intent by overpaying for players?

26 Aug 2013 15:26:08
I seriously do not understand how people think getting Moses is a good idea. All he will do is take away chances from Ibe and Sterling. They are both just as good as Moses as well. It makes absolutely no sense. If the club were interested in Moses they should've bought him before he went off to rot at Chelsea. We need someone who is sure to get us goals/assists and someone who is an established player. If we go to Chelsea for anything I'd hope it'd be to push hard for Mata. Brendan is cool with Mou right? We have around 30 mill to spend right? (We must if we were in for Willian) We've done business with each other before right? So if we want to push on, we should move for a player like Mata.

Now I know, for whatever reason people see this as an impossible deal. But I don't see why it couldn't happen. If Mou doesn't rate Mata (their player of the year mind you) then we should put our chips in for him and I think they'd accept it if he's not in Mous plans. Sure we aren't in the champions league! But we can offer him a starting job week in week out and I feel like a player like Mata just wants to play football! He wants ro be in the world cup squad. I really like him he's not overly flamboyant or anything. And we are definitely a team that can reach the UCL this season with a few more quality buys. So there's plenty of good reasoning to joing LFC (not to mention the best fans in the universe)

There are many more players out there than just victor Moses. Come on LFC don't disappoint!

Keep the faith. YNWA

For some reason I don't know why a lot of folks keep saying moses won't improve our squad.
First don't involve ibe who has just played 1 first team game, potential doesn't mean you are cut out to suceed.I for one would pick moses over sterling right now to play on the left, just because chelsea don't want him doesn't mean he ain't good enough
Coutinho sturridge and toure are all players their clubs were willing to let go and see how they turned out well for us
Moses isn't world class but he would definitely improve what we have.he could easily score 10 league goals for us which would just be great

26 Aug 2013 16:39:06
Do you honestly think that even if he was available, we'd be his best option? Honestly?

26 Aug 2013 17:34:38
Sorry, I was talking about Mata

26 Aug 2013 15:21:48
Jan Molby gave a speech at my one of my local pubs as part of our football clubs 25th birthday celebration last Friday.

He rekons Gerrard's penalty conversion rate is about 78% - he said it would be a lot higher if he'd have watched him some more! Danish Scouser! Class!

26 Aug 2013 14:55:53
Review on Damiao, Carlos Vela and Moses is on the LFC blogs and voting polls page.

YNWAdam {Ed002's Note - Or will be soon.}

Thanks Adam for your time and effort, all the know it alls please read about Moses on this.

26 Aug 2013 15:23:33
No problem MarcO. Thanks for reading!

YNWAdam

26 Aug 2013 17:09:46
Already there! Another excellent post Adam! I seriously think you should consider a career path as a journalist.

27 Aug 2013 00:49:59
You have no idea how much feedback like that means to me AG. Thank you :) It is the dream one day, but I could still do with a little practice. These reviews have presented that opportunity though, so keep the requests coming!

YNWAdam

26 Aug 2013 14:45:30
Ed002/001
Is there no chance of you guys introducing the 'hash tag' system here?

I think it would lower repeat posters asking about same person and then you guys having to direct them to the search engine.

fantastic job on the site :) {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Posters should have the ability to read and to use the search engine - if not they should find someone else who can and has the time to help them out.}

Search engine works quite well.

So does reading the posts.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 14:05:04
I don't know why everyone is so desperate to get in a new CB. Whilst I agree sakho would be an excellent signing, who would you replace him for at the moment? With Agger and Kolo filling the two first team CB slots and Skrtel and Kelly as back ups I'm more than happy.

What worries me more is the fact we are seriously lacking in the LAM and RAM positions. Aspas is an excellent player in my opinion but who else do we really have that plays out wide? At the moment we're having to accommodate by putting Coutinho out wide and henderson through the middle. The back ups are sterling and ibe who are both only 18 years old. still a few years shy from being first team regulars. One or two more attacking wide players are a must in my opinion.

Arda Turan would be ideal and if we signed him and the transfer window closed I'd be a happy man. But I guess we'll have to wait and see, just worried we will be left short. especially if Suarez leaves.

26 Aug 2013 14:34:27
i didn't realise we had so many budding managers and scouts about to judge a players ability better than the scouts at the club and our manager.how come your all working as paper boys or warehouse workers when you could be managing a premier league side?

I'll keep my day job as a lawyer thanks, but I would say this, so called expert judges of footballers landed us with Joe Cole, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll. so yes, if I want to say that in my opinion, Moses is not a footballer who will help the club move forward then that's my opinion.

As much as I agree with you everybody will always have an opinion I guess and those opinions get vented out on banter sites. At times it does seem at times that they think they know better than the scouts/managers which is ludicrous. I try to make a point not to go overboard criticizing people who are much better than I.

Mark, your reply reminded me of Horace Rumpole at the peak of his powers, I'm sure you will enjoy a full and fruitful career, good luck .

I agree mark, I am not a Liverpool fan but I agree he would not improve your first team and I know you would like to improve a couple of area's in your first team. I honestly think he would be ok as cover which is generally what chelsea thought. I have read on here somewhere that the first team is almost there and cover is required so to take him on a loan purely as cover whilst looking to improve the quality of the first team might, might be worth a shout

Your quite right in what you say mark.

the players you mention weren't signed by the manager we have in place now and we have 2 new scouts(i think).you look at rodgers buys to date and 80% of them have, upto now been very good indeed, whos to say that moses with a chance to build his confidence and some game time won't have the same impact as sturridge or couthino?

26 Aug 2013 14:13:11
hi eds, I would love to see rodgers sign tello from barca, he's not getting game time at barca and would be ideal for us on the left do u think there would be any chance of a late bid for him.
also mo sissoko on a free anyone?
thanks
jeff {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath over Tello.}

26 Aug 2013 14:01:10
solid result at the weekend and it does look as though BR has a plan B when needed. I think what I enjoyed most about the weekend, was Tottenham's inability to score from open play for the second time. They were frustrated for large parts of the game with their midfield being broken down on a number of occasions. This bodes pretty well for us I think. On another note, I don't see us making any more signings this window, which is a little frustrating. Perhaps LFC are planning another strong January window when all the dust has settled. I still think we need a CB and a proper winger.
VERY excited about our next match! YNWA!

26 Aug 2013 15:11:00
Rubbish thers no plan B, when you are supposed to hold on the lead. We played superb in the first half and should ahve scored a couple, and thast our major problem, we score 1 and then we look very very vulnerable. we were very poor after the break, Lucas was solid in the first half, But he was awful in the second half. I even forgot we had Aspas in the second period.

He changed personal and formation to more defensive style to defend the lead. I would say that is a plan b Harry.

26 Aug 2013 17:00:35
Davey Diver.
How?. untill Allen and cissokho came down which was somewhere at 65 mts. we were playing with the same team. but we literally had 20% possession. and I call it as PRESSING UP FROM OPPOSITION.

I think he is talking about the subs Harry.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 13:22:42
So the cat is out the bag. Ed02 has spilled the beans on the players Real Madrid would look to involve in any deal for Luis S.
Firstly, I would hope it would be 30 mil plus two these options, Or 40-45+ and one of them. The only one I am vaguely familiar with, CheryShev would be a great acquisition if he was nurtured and trained correctly, he already looks great, and seems exactly the type of player BR would want. Technical, hungry, and young.
Secondly, I would not think that these are players, are one they do not wish to keep, as the ED has explained, there are other suspects that better suit that description.
I would hope people would recognise our success at utilising 'under-appreciated' talent from European Giants.
30+ and some great european potential/talent?
30 mil to strengthen the starting 11 (maybe on top of rumoured money willing to be spent on DC, HM and Willian) and a fantastic talent, (adds strength and depth), to develop into a future possible star?
I would take it.
Have you received any abuse ed as a result of sharing this info?
I really appreciate it personally.

Well you never shoot the guy telling the info!

Ed002 has just confirmed what we all knew, now if people could take off their championship manager specs off for one second they would realise how awful this offer is.

I would reject it out of hand, swapping a world class proven superstar for 30-40m and some players barely good enough for the championship on loan would be the worst transfer deal since Chelsea wrote us a cheque for £50m and we then wrote a cheque for £35m to Newcastle and both teams ended up with a striker that didn't suit them!

{Ed002's Note - How about this Mark. Would you settle for an end result of Arda Turan, Ilori, £12M and rid of the embarrassment and grief that Suarez continues to bring to the club?}

That is very specific Ed002! You are being your cryptic self again!

But, by the looks of it, the one that causes embarrassment will be staying by the looks of it, so any dream of Arda might well have to be shelved for now sadly.

THink that would a good deal cheers ed 002, arda llori and 12m, would bite your hand off for that deal, what are the chances?

I'm going to sound hard to please here but I don't think Ilori is strong enough and I'm affraid that Turan is too injury prone, so I'd rather keep Suarez and tell Madrid to politely stick their piffling offer as far as they can so that it doesn't see the light of day, especially if they offer the players ed002 mentioned. At the end of the day we don't have to sell and I'm not bothered what supporters of other clubs think of Suarez.

I don't think that LS, with a new deal, is going to be a plus to our squad. In a perfect world, he would have not behaved like this and we would have a proven world class striker. But the reality is, if he does play for us again, he is not going to care in the slightest, he may even get himself banned again and cause us even further embarrassment.
My only mistake, was not realising it would be loan deals only.
In that case, I would perhaps wait for something more beneficial to the club.

Ed002, I would take that in an absolute heartbeat.

At this point I would almost be entirely happy to straight swap Suarez for Turan (a player who desperately wants to actually be here and would absolutely give 100% every game).

I certainly would not be taking it in a heartbeat. First of all Suarez scored 30 goals last year. With respect to Turan but he would not get you those 30 goals nor would I expect him to. Now posters will say that we now have Sturridge, who I agree will get goals if fit but we are not meant to maintain the status quo!we have to try and better ourselves, to score more and push on from last season. Personally I would sell Borini to try to add to the £12 million and try to buy that other quality forward. All hypothetical of course. Cheers.

Lets analyse this. We want a minimum of 50m and a bit (we rate LS higher than Torres) and Turan can be bought for 20m (although others have bid lower so it suggests 20 is "toppy"), we rate Ilori at 4-5m and so taking the higher valuations gets me to 25 + 12m = 37m (3m & £1 less than Arsenals bid). And that's a good deal for us? Suarez = 25 goals per season, Turan about 5. Am I missing something here? Yes Suarez is an person but Ed02 seems to think everyone in the UK is walking round appalled by him. They're not. If he stays everyone shrugs their shoulders and goes "that's football".

I would take that deal. A game changer that wants to be at the club for one that does not + a young quick defender with great potential + 12m to stick in the piggy bank to save up for that new stadium we all want or pay off some debts.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 13:10:45
So if Tottenham stop the Bale deal to Real Madrid, because they failed to get Willian, do people think that will help Liverpool with the Luis Suarez deal?
For example, Real Madrid will have more money to spend on Luis Suarez, matching an offer we would accept.

26 Aug 2013 12:57:40
Hi Ed002,

I know you probably don't want to answer this, but I'll ask anyway.

Last season you said that Brendan would have to get a top 4 this season or he would be gone. Do you still think that?

Thanks
Dub {Ed002's Note - Could you point me at the post where I said that. I suspect you have misread something.}

The way we've played so far, top four is both achievable and realistic.
Mignolet looks a good keeper and will just get better.
Kolo looks like he has been here all his career, defends well, motivates his team mates, is vocal and organised and he is dominant because he is as strong as an ox.
Aspas has fitted in well, good movement and link up play and also isn't scared of a scrap.
Can't really comment on Alberto as hasn't played.
Cissokho looked as strong as an ox as well, wanted us to get him when he was at Porto so hope that he can show what he is capable of.
Not sure we really need another centre half?
We do need another creative midfielder, would like Eriksen but I'd rather keep the money in the pocket and wait til January than waste money on a loan for Moses.
Hopefully we can keep Suarez too, can't see Madrid offering a reasonable price for him so I hope we reject all of their player plus cash offers unless we are offered one of their good first team players(not Moratta, who looked awful when he played against betis. ), since that won't happen then I hope we say no deal.

26 Aug 2013 13:41:56
Eventhough I feel for him due the lack of funds, But now he has clearly got the way the team wanted to play. (Allen and borini still is a mystry, both in the bench). A wuality LW and CB would take us pretty close to Top4, Provided we are actually having some luck this seaosn.

26 Aug 2013 12:43:11
So there is a week left in the transfer window and I am starting to get a little worried. We need a centre-back and a creative attacking player before the window closes, so really we should see some movement in the next day or two. If by Thursday we have not made any significant progress in the transfer market I will be getting really worried. Don't know if it's just me over-reacting but I feel it could be like last summer all over again if we don't move fast. Hope I'm wrong though. Cheers. {Ed002's Note - It is you over-reacting. Right now Toure, Agger, Skrtel, Wisdom and Kelly are all CB options until Coates is fit. Hardly a crisis for a club that has only managed to accumulate 6 points from their first two games.}

Well said ed I've been saying this all summer we don't need CB'S as we are well stocked already, if Skrtel goes then a replacement will be brought. It's clear the focus is trying to bring in a goal scoring Left Sided player to allow Coutinho to play in the middle.

Yes I see were you're coming from Ed but if Agger were to get injured (hopefully he doesn't), then all of a sudden the back four looks a little lightweight. I think we need one more centre-back just to be confident of having enough quality. I mean we don't want to go through another season thinking "why did we not buy another centre-back" because in football anything can happen so you have to be prepared. Similarly with an attacking midfielder, we have 4/5 players who can cover that position, but some of these players are also needed elsewhere. We need to be confident we have a strong enough squad to be able to challenge for the top 4, not just the first team. To do that I think we need 2 more players and we will be fine. I just don't want another season thinking "what if". I think we just need players for these two positions, then we will be more than able to mount a challenge for the top 4.

I am confident the team we have now can challenge for the top 4, but I will be confident we will get top 4 with one or two more additions. So really Ed I think I said it wrong. I would be more confident of a top 4 finish with one or two more additions is what I was trying to say, sorry for the confusion. I think the signs are there that we want another centre-back and attacking midfielder though, especially with recent interest in Willian. Either way I am hopeful with a bit of luck and consistency we will be in the Champions League next season. This is the season we've all been waiting for, let's hope our patience will be rewarded! Come on you Redmen! Cheers.

Look I don't want to slag off the owners, they are clearly trying to get the club to operate within its means, but let's give up with this nonsense that they saved us from bankruptcy and have invested heavily. They saw an opportunity to pick up a distressed asset, one of the biggest names in football at a rock bottom price with some pretty dirty and aggressive take over tactics. They got LFC for a song because Hicks and Co were defaulting on their debt. They are no saviours, just businessmen out to make money.

NVH, does that mean that they did not save us from bankruptcy? Or that they haven't invested heavily? There reason for doing it is another matter. And if they want to get the most out of their asset they will. ?

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 12:35:44
Hey eds,
would victor moses signal the end of our search for attacking players, or would we still be looking to add another midfielder. Personally I still feel we need to add a box to box midfielder now stevie seems to be playing a lot deeper, as hendos not quite ready to do the job.

Would appreciate your thoughts as always,
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - It depends on lots of things, for example, if Liverpool make an approach to Chelsea for Moses, and if anyone were to leave providing money to the club.}

If Suarez stays, Moses is the only other attacking player coming in as it stands.

Im surprised we have not gone back in for Tom Ince now Downing has gone, i'd prefer Ince all day over Moses.

Agree with AG's logic. Or Suarez goes and there could be a few changes.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 12:07:15
Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Ian Holloways 'woeisme' attitude already?
The guy is getting on my tits. Last week he moaned Crystal Palace didn't get the decisions because they're a small club (That's life Ian, it will happen to every team this season at some point). Now he is moaning about the transfer window for teams that have just been promoted (again its the for every team not just promoted teams. Also you don't hear Steve Bruce or Malky Mackay moaning).

Feel better now!

Onto LFC - I am happy with our squad so far though I would like a couple more additions before the 2nd, but I am starting to get a sense of deja vu, as last season everyone was hoping we would add to the squad but it didn't happen. Whether it happens the same as last season or not I think BR has brought well so far and I think we will be a hard team to beat. Though if we added Turan, a CB and Moses I would be a happy man.

I think he is pretty funny myself.

Yep, I like Holloway.

Andy K

26 Aug 2013 12:02:37
If we do sign Moses how many of you guys would have swapped downing for Moses? I see it as a positive move too improve the squad as he can play a number of positions and is quick and powerful and more direct than downing. 5-10mill could be a good bit of business I think!
Get behind our club/manager stop creating and start supporting. {Ed002's Note - They are very, very different players.}

Yep, one is garbage the other is ok

Point is that it's not an improvement.

Every player signed so far has improved the squad, don't see how Moses is an improvement. {Ed002's Note - No doubt there are fans plotting to attack him on Twitter or whatever, ensuring he would never consider an offer from Liverpool.

It would probably be best if Liverpool did stop any efforts to sign players now - would make everyone's life a lot happier.}

Harsh on Mark Ed002 IMO. He is pointing out that in his opinion, Moses is not an improvement on Sterling and Ibe. I agree with him and I rather the youngsters given a chance than Moses.

Also, at no point does he go on to slate Moses or anywhere remotely talk about twitter and attack. {Ed002's Note - I know, but again all we are seeing is complaining about most of the Liverpool players, the owners, the manager, any possible targets ... and on and on. I am around tomorrow I think, so perhaps we will have another happy post day.}

In fairness Moses scored 10 goals in 43 games last season. That's a very impressive return!

26 Aug 2013 13:50:04
He's is not good enough.

Cardiff Red,

But, Moses only scored 1 in the league in 23 appearance, of which 12 were starts.

Another way to look at it is; is Victor Moses an improvement on Stewart Downing? I certainly don't think so.

It will have to be a late Happy Posy day Ed002, as I think LFC will only finish playing Notts County by 10PM I believe.

26 Aug 2013 11:43:27
Hey ed, two questions:

1. If, theoretically, the club really has decided not to let Suarez go during this window, would you still expect us to try and sign another offensive player?

2. Will Hughes rumors are constantly resurfacing in the media - do you have any idea who started the rumor, as in my opinion we are not looking for a deal this summer. Am I wrong on that?

{Ed002's Note - (1) If Suarez stays then I would think that the chance of any Arda type signing is very low. Perhaps a player like Moses on loan, a return to the Atsu type option or a shot at an Eriksen type target. (2) I cannot help you, sorry.}

Thanks ed!

U say unlikely any arda type signing stipulating that we don't have cash for that type, but yet everyone else thinks there is money there for a top class player for e.g willian and mickey. if we didmt have money we wouldn't wamt them and at the time it was stated that they deals were not dependant on suarez. so what's changed have we suddenly not get money {Ed002's Note - Buying a player was not dependent on the cash being available in advance, but the expectation has always been that Suarez would go at some point.}

Aug 2013 11:11:41
{Ed002's Note - Thanks Burnsy.}

26 Aug 2013 11:18:59
Just won a signed Liverpool shirt from West Ham game last year for 200 quid, no one else bid.

A steal me thinks

HAHA. A cheeky bid over 100 mil. HAHA *wipes tears from eyes.

If no one else bid you might have got it for a fiver! ;-)

26 Aug 2013 11:35:56
So AM are trying to sign mata on loan and were trying to show moses on loan why don't we try get mata on loan and if we loose out just pay us for turan

26 Aug 2013 10:35:26
Eds do you think that when Brendan talks of bringing in a lw player he would want them to be right footed? So all this talk of mata an I think I'm right in sayin turan as well seem to be out of the question as they are predominantly left footed players. Just a thought {Ed002's Note - What talk of Mata? You will be pleased to know that Moses is right footed.}

26 Aug 2013 10:20:28
A little disappointed that we've trimmed the wage bill and our net spend for the window has been nothing, but then we didn't have the money for Willian. Have we got anything in the pot for transfers at all. I think Rodgers is doing an amazing job but he'll need something to work with if we want to challenge for CL.

Rushdie was ace

Rodgers must take the blame for wasting 26m last year on Allen and Borini, that's probably why FSG are hesitant.

Agree mate but I've been saying for months now that the owners won't give BR any mor funds they want out. {Ed002's Note - They have already provided funds this summer and the club continue to look for players.}

Hawkeye more like one eye really gets to me when players get slagged off so early in there career .
allen spent most of last season playing with an injury and borini looked to lack confidence while both had to deal with pressure of playing for the reds.
when are people going to get off the boards back the money is there and they will spend it at the right time and the right player.
its good they have took the downing and carroll deals and will not pay over the odds .
its about getting the right player for the team and i'd rather they spent 8 million on somebody that fits than 30 million on somebody that does not there rant over.

mystic red

Ok I take back the word 'wasting' and would change it to 'investing', no need to put down players my bad, but no one can deny it was a lot of money for players who one year on aren't likely to be starting 11 players. I do have confidence that in 2 or 3 years they might though. I am simply saying from a business point of view FSG have given significant 'CL player' money to Rodgers last summer, and this January as well, so I don't understand people saying FSG are not putting money up for Rodgers to invest in players when we have already spent quite a bit in the last year. We haven't got a bottomless pit have you seen our financial record? It's awful.

26 Aug 2013 10:15:34
Any interest in the lw jefferson montero from mexico eds? {Ed002's Note - Some from Cardiff, Sevilla, Crystal Palace, West Ham.}

26 Aug 2013 10:06:15
Chuffed to bits with the start we have made, would be perfect if we made it 3 from 3 against Man U!

On a side-note guys, I am attending an event over here in Dublin in a few days called '5Times'. Its and question and answer kinda show with 5 Liverpool legends (Aldridge, Barnes, Hamann, Mjolby and McAteer). can't wait for it. Should be good banter!

Was just wondering if any of ye fellow Reds (or Eds!) could come up with any interesting questions for me to ask. I have a couple for Aldo, but was wondering if anyone had any interesting questions on our great past (or present!).

Looking forward to some ideas, cheers

Yeah I went to a q&a evening with jan molby, ask him about the story about barnesy and rush in the hotel pre season.hilarious mate

Hello mate,

I don't have questions for you to ask, but have a couple of questions for you.

How many tickets are for sale/were for sale? And how much?

Just a little market research.

Cheers

Ask barnsey why his rap career didn't take off.

26 Aug 2013 11:50:17
Ask Hammann what instruction Rafa gave him at half time in Istanbull.

YNWAdam

Cheers guys, keep them coming!

Burnsy, the tickets I bought were €35 each, but they were VIP tickets. You get to meet the 5 legends before the show kicks off. The standard tickets to attend the show were €15. I'm not actually sure how many tickets were put on sale. The max capacity for the venue (The Academy) is about 1,000 people as far as I know

Cheers Macko. That's very helpful!

Do you know how much you payed RedFella?

If your wondering why I'm asking; I'm setting up a charity 'Night With' including a Q&A with 1/2 ex Liverpool stars.

Cheers

Sorry I took so long to reply burnsy it was £25 a ticket. It was a charity night I believe he (molby) charges about £700 but it was well worth the money, posed for photos and autographs for about an hour after it ended. the guy was superb hope that helps mate

No worries Redfella. that's really helpful! Cheers

26 Aug 2013 08:10:51
Dear Eds

Could I ask for your feelings on whether we will see any transfer activity this week and if you think/know which players that would be?

Personally starting to think this it as owners haven't backed Rodgers on his main transfer targets

Cheers {Ed002's Note - I will stick with what I said. One or two players will come in and there will be an offer from Real Madrid for Suarez that may well include player options. Read the posts about my opinions on players.}

26 Aug 2013 09:02:14
I personally think we have done the main part of our business early in the window when *hopefully* we made some shrewd purchases for reasonable sums of money.
We have played well in the main so far, certainly in spells at least, so I think the first 11 is pretty much set (for better or worse).
My question to Ed002 is do you see any surprises for LFC in the next 7 days? If so what?
As always thanks for the great work, this site is fantastic
#YNWA
#JFT96 {Ed002's Note - I don't have my lucky soothsayer boxers on this morning so I can't predict what surprises will be coming - and if I could, it would not be a surprise.}

26 Aug 2013 06:01:45
Really happy with the victory at Villa Park. We showed great character in defending our lead against a very good Villa side on top of their game. Kolo Toure, for free is already proving to be a great bargain, and Simon Mignolet has already saved us a couple of points with his fantastic shot stopping abilities, something even Reina would have struggled to replicate.
However I do find these Moses to LFC on loan stories a bit disturbing. He is a very average mid table player, who was lucky to be bought by Chelsea simply to fill their home grown quota of players. A very underwhelming signing I must say if it happens. Arda Turan is the player FSG and BR must look to sign if we are to have a chance of cracking top4. He would provide us with width as well as another outlet to create chances for Sturridge if Coutinho gets a knock or fades as the season progresses. Hopefully FSG see sense and pay whatever it takes to bring Turan to Anfield. If they really want the club to make the champions league next season, then signing Turan should be a no-brainer, I hope the football persons within the club make that abundantly clear to them.

26 Aug 2013 08:26:32
Victor Moses. Hmmm. Would be an okay addition, but can anyway tell me why on earth Chelsea seem to be looking on getting rid of Mata? Was he not their player of the year last season?

Is anyone else thinking to leave Moses and try a cheeky loan bid for Mata? Probably would never happen but imagine this, Sturridge, Coutinho, Suarez, Mata, Gerrard. One can only dream haha!

Kosovo Joe

26 Aug 2013 07:37:29
So Brendan has come out and said that we have tried to sign players that were ambitious for a club with no CL. But what we can offer to left winger is game time, the best supporters in the world and a work in progress.
If we offer the right amount of money, Chelsea will accept a bid for Mata. Then we just have to try and sell the club to Mata. Surely his main focus is game time in a World Cup year.
I think we should at least try.you never know!

26 Aug 2013 07:10:39
BR worked under JM @ Chelsea. Any Idea whether they have a decent working relationship/friendship of anykind?
With JM stating that nothing is wrong with selling to a rival club, and that he wants a 22 man squad. LFC should be free to bid for fringe players of Chelsea.
Even though Moses may not be the most Quality player out there. I would have prefered him being the one man left up front in games like Saturday where we trying to grind out a win, than having to tire Coutinho out who clearly doesn't have the pace to beat the offside trap on the counter. Maybe its good business to go for a loan to just do a temporary job, while the big name quality players are not available to us, rather than buying.
Once we make Champions League qualification, then a whole bunch of quality players would become accessable.

Perhaps JM is happy to help out Liverpool if he can, for then we are more likely to take points off Chelsea's rivals for the title?

26 Aug 2013 03:35:45
Eds - this may or may not belong on the Chelsea page, but given our reported interest in Willian, a certain Sports channel is purporting that the fee Chelsea are paying is approximately £25.5 Million? surely this isn't the case as I understood we offered £26 Million which was below Anzhi's £30 Million valuation.

Further, given that he has only played twice in two years for the Brazilian national team, would or could this create a work permit problem, or the fact that he played eleven times at under twenty level count?

{Ed002's Note - I have explained on a number of occasions that it is best to ignore the numbers that you hear, certainly in respect of what Liverpool have "offered" as there has been a lot of information this summer. As you suggest, he does not qualify automatically for a work permit and a hearing has been arranged for Wednesday morning.}

Guru,

His agent wanted a huge fee, purportedly £5m. Once you start down that road it's a slippery slope. Chelsea's owner doesn't blink at paying those kind of sums, but I'm glad our club has taken a stand. £5m for an agent's fee is ridonculous!

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has paid £30M in agent and representative fees (excluding VAT) since the owners arrived.}

Yes but with downing Carroll Henderson costing so much I assume there agents got good money compared to say aspas or coutinho? {Ed002's Note - There are very significant costs associated with every transfer - folks forget that.}

26 Aug 2013 00:52:10
reports we are after moses on loan for a season

on loan might be a handy addition to the squad

moses will wanna prove himsself too

wouldnt mind an option set at 8 mill for a permamnent deal ifit worksout

Not good enough for our bench.

Imo he would be a good addition.pace power and can take on defenders would fit in on the left just fine

He is a rubbish player i'd rather us just use Sterling & Ibe.

You are smoking what they are smoking at the Gooners stadium Victor Moses is not good for LFC

I really don't see Moses as any improvement on Sterling and Ibe. It's the wrong option if we are going down that route IMO.

Honestly can't see that he is better than Ibe or Sterling, I hope it's just papers putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, there are far better players out there than him that are within our reach. He is very one dimensional and is just as poor as downing.

26 Aug 2013 10:22:43
Jassie.

Imo he would be a good addition.pace power and can take on defenders would fit in on the left just fine

Really, If possess all the above attributes, why are they selling?

If he's so poor, makes you wonder why Chelsea bought him?

Maybe they can't afford good players and don't have decent scouts?

26 Aug 2013 13:34:51
Chelsea bought Ba, same as we bought Caroll and allen, one season wonder. turned to utter flops. and now you want us to gigve him another chance?
Countinho and sturridge type activities happens once in years.

26 Aug 2013 00:28:31
I would love to think we will bring at least two in but if i'm honest I can't see the owners giving BR any further funds.

Caveat that with 'unless we sell Suarez' and I agree. Perhaps someone in the £10M range is feasible, but I do think anymore above that would require funds from another source.

It all went a bit sideways this summer with us not being able to sell the likes of Reina, Skrtel, and, so far, Suarez.

I feel one more attacking player is all we need to go up a level; but certainly not someone like Moses, but someone like Arda Turan.

26 Aug 2013 10:24:45
The Real AG.

Sympathy, But I honesttly don't see us spending 20 mill on any player. Not even if Messi is availble at 25 mill.

26 Aug 2013 00:18:02
I don't really care who we sign, I just want us to get that fourth place or higher if possible.Liverpool need to be in Champions League.Great work eds, Great site

Signing somebody like Arda Turan would be good start.

25 Aug 2013 23:56:44
We can't think that Arda isn't good enough for us because he is, it must be about money. We know the price it's a fair price but so far no movement arsenal are pushing but he clearly wants to play for us! We won't get Lamela so who does it leave? Moses shouldn't be an option he's not good enough and Ibe is miles better hope we sort this, I feel like we've let players go prematurely(downing) without securing better replacements, hope we don't make same mistakes again, still time though so hopefully the problems get addressed, I'm not usually one to moan please forgive me my daughter is teething!

I have to agree. I do not understand it although I do not doubt there could be good reason I am not aware of, other than previous injuries, fees, or ability.

I would be so so happy to have him play for this club. He wants to come here and having a player of his ability here and wanting to be here is worth the world

I agree Square Tomato. Turan's a fantastic player who has been pushing for a move to our club for years now. Its very well known we are his dream club, so why have we not made a move for him? 24 million euros is a reasonable price for a top class la liga player, who is also Turkish national captain. He would also add more character and leadership qualities to the squad, so its a no-brainer for me. The next 7 days will give us an indication of how serious FSG are about this project, because the current squad simply ain't good enough to get top4.

I completely agree. I remember Ed001 commenting on Moses a while back, when he was in Wigan and we were linked. He said, he is a poor player, never looks up and sure can't pass.

At Chelsea, he has again shown no improvement and why we are interested in him, is beyond me.

26 Aug 2013 10:25:54
The Real AG.
Coz, Liverpool the only club who could make ann ordinary player to Superclass.
Allen and borini.

25 Aug 2013 23:21:59
I really hope these reports linking us with a loan for Moses are not true. We need a player who can add that extra quality as a starter and with no disrespect to Moses he is not an upgrade on what we already have imo.

If he comes on loan it's to replace Assaidi. Which means our options across the front 4 positions are:

Sturridge - Aspas; Coutinho; Suarez

Borini - Henderson (Sterling) ; Alberto; Moses (Ibe)

Now compared to last season I would say that's much stronger? What's the problem?

25 Aug 2013 22:57:41
Hi Eds, this is my first post, i've been checking this site like crazy for the past few months - thanks a lot for all your time and effort.

Are we being linked to any defensive 'holding' midfielders atm? I personally think our defensive options are adequate, we only seem to to crumble when teams play on the counter attack as our midfield offers little protection, with the blame instead being squared upon (for example) Skrtel or Reina.

Lucas, although a fantastic player, just gets dribbled past too often in my opinion. Although he shows great drive to win the ball back I just don't see him as the strong physical presence required to sure up defence and 'command' play in midfield - especially considering the amount of players we sometimes commit to attack.

Are Liverpool even looking at this position?

Thanks, Jonny {Ed002's Note - Welcome Jonny. There were a couple of guys that Liverpool to a glance at right at the start of the year and I know that Ed001 got pretty "hyped" (I am being polite) about Medel, but I don't think it has been seen as any sort of priority this summer.}