Liverpool Banter Archive July 26 2013

 

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26 Jul 2013 23:36:12
Hey ed52 do u get any sleep m8 ha I just posted my focus of the post was about 3/4 being up for grabs and my view on Man U would like to hear your take on it if poss plez m8 because I don't think they will get close this year I really think it going to be with all the pressure Rooney /owners/and fans etc u might 100% disagree but would like your thoughts if possible thanks
Ynwa lfc linc {Ed052's Note - I think United will fail
Badly. They've been dreadful in games so far and are struggling to get players in. Moyes plays a poor style and will make United worse. I can see us catching them they don't have a particularly good team or squad. It was after guano who won it for them. And I to sleep at 2 and get up at 8}

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Ed52, do you get paid because you defo deserve to! {Ed001's Note - we need paying to put up with him, more like.}

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United clearly have the best squad I believe. Every position they have at least 2 good players in. Moyes as manager, i'm not sure about. However, when you have the best striker in the league in Van Persie, you always have a chance. I still think they will win the league, you've got to remember other clubs are changing managers as well. I know a lot will fancy chelsea .

Danny {Ed001's Note - who is there other good striker? Who are their two good left wingers? Who are there good central midfielders? City and Chelsea have better squads, but Fergie was able to drag United over the line last season by virtue of being a better manager than Mancini.}

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I firmly believe the biggest mistake they made was not Moyes, but Moyes letting Eric Steele, Mike Phelan and Rene Meulensteen go. That was very foolish. {Ed001's Note - Phelan was useless, but the other two were a huge mistake.}

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This, this this and this again. Well said Ed

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Yeah Meulensteen was highly thought of in Europe. However, Fergie and Bobby will still be pulling the strings and they won't sit back and let Moyes fail.

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Wishful thinking editors. Are you seriously judging MU on preseason games ; )

The gap between MU and Liverpool has widened, any non-Liverpool fan can see that.

The players you have signed are mediocre and you have lost big characters in the dressing room like Reina, Carra and Suarez. Even if we never bought a single player this summer we will finish at least 30 points ahead of you.

But we will buy some good players. We are targeting the best and it's difficult. You wouldn't know.

Disney! {Ed001's Note - who have you bought? A wasteful sprinter in Zaha. You have brought in a back room staff who are only experienced in losing, along with a manager who has never won anything. You are the ones dropping back, nothing wishful thinking about it, this has been an awful summer for United. You have no idea about the players signed by Liverpool so I will just ignore your nonsense about them being mediocre, it was clearly based on ignorance. As for big characters, all had their time, all need to move on for the sake of the club.}

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27 Jul 2013 11:16:30
Eh, I reckon Chelsea or City are more likely to win the league (better squads), but I'd be surprised if Man U finished lower than third.

I've written them off a few times before and been too disappointed to try it again. Fergie retired or not. {Ed001's Note - I agree, 3rd is their's to lose.}

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Thanks m8 didn't think u went to sleep as you always on here at all times fair play lad, glad you are can c you got a lot of faith in the club, thanks for your long, hard work u put in, try get early night ha many thanks again for reply
Ynwa lfc linc {Ed052's Note - thanks bud. No early night tonight! I can't sleep earlier or in this heat}

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Next year will be your year Ed052!

HB {Ed052's Note - I do believe so}

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26 Jul 2013 23:34:53
To the Ed's & fans, Do you think suarez was promised we would spend big after he signed his new contract last summer?
(When I say big I mean top quality players not just promising youth)

Ynwa {Ed052's Note - no}

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What is his real problem then? Because when he signed the new contract we weren't garuanteed Champions league soon.
(Sorry to keep on but its very frustrating)
Thanks

Ynwa {Ed001's Note - what problem? This is not the first time he has caused issues to get a move for more money. The only problem is greed. Nothing to do with European football at all, nothing to do with promises made either.}

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Do Arsenal pay top wages though? More than his current contract? {Ed001's Note - I wasn't meaning in terms of wages, it is the big signing fee that is the important thing, that is millions.}

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Ed001 i'm sure I've heard abother ed state that he dosnt seem to be bothered by money and its more cl football he wants. if thts the case can you see us offering him more money?cheers pal {Ed001's Note - no. What for? He got a pay rise last summer, just get rid.}

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Im all for getting rid i'm not bothered if he stays or goes now but just wondered if the club was thinkin in tempting him to stay! like man u did rooney, me personally I wouldn't give him a 10 bob pay rise!

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26 Jul 2013 23:18:13
Not sure why people are not happy to see the back of our current number 7. Personally I want him to be gone ASAP. Your career can only go down after leaving the mighty REDS. Let LS go and see what life is like after us. 45 million would do it for me.

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"Your career can only go down after leaving the mighty REDS."

Fernando Torres at Liverpool:
No trophies

Fernando Torres at Chelsea
FA Cup: 2011–12
UEFA Champions League: 2011–12
UEFA Europa League: 2012–13

Just an observation.

Ted

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Do u think Torres feels any satisfaction with regards to these trophies? He's basically been a bystander in the team and he knows it. The fans don't adore him and he has nothing to stoke his ego. vaguely remember something about him saying he missed LFC?

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Yes he said it himself that winning the CL doesn't matter to him as most of the time he was on the bench.

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Torres at Liverpool - best striker in the world

Torres at Chelsea - laughing stock, in Drogbas shadow, bench warming 50million pound flop

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Didn't Fernando say that he felt nothing after the champs league win

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27 Jul 2013 10:29:00
Let him be somebody else's problem

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27 Jul 2013 11:32:57
@Ted

True Torres has won some trophies but peoples' general opinion of him is nothing what used to be. During his LFC days Torres was considered a top class striker and was the envy of the football world. Now he is just a squad player and no one cares about. He was just lucky that Chelsea won those trophies and they didn't/hadn't cut their losses by selling him. Anyway, you should discount the Europa League, no one cares about that.

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26 Jul 2013 23:24:15
Just a thought I my be wrong but I just can not c Man U getting close to win the league this year tough start to the league, Rooney wants out, because they been winning things the fans been less hate (protests) against there owners lost 2? Games preseason drawn 1, getting run around with cesc FSG! If they have slow start people will start getting on owners back etc so much pressure on david moyes no games meaningless for them no fergie time wot I mean is its going be very very close this year really do think 3/4 is there for the taking think Chelsea / man city got strong squads there's your top 2 but don't think there walk it a lot of teams will nick points here and there just think we can get 3 this year or arsenal or spurs or Man U that's my out look, Man u I think have out done them selfs with there squad
Ynwa lfc linc

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Fergie always said he'd leave a strong squad for the next manager to inherit. If you ask me, the current united squad is their worst in ages. Moyes has been passed a rubbish sandwich!

Raoul

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We will win the leauge and when we do ill say told ye so. worked senarios threw my head forget about sighnings as a team we have been class last period of the leauge and will only get better from start to finnish one thing birtish people don't have installed in them . nothing is immpossible . belive

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Terrible keeper, defenders aren't great, centre midfield lacking, wide players ok, strikers good, bench good, manager gargoyle. 3rd or 4th this season unless they get Ronaldo/Bale

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26 Jul 2013 23:10:45
Suarez to Real Madrid for £8m plus Nunez. You heard it here first!

In all seriousness, is anyone else sick of players who wouldn't lace the boots of some of our former greats disrespecting the club?

No matter how Mignolet fares (hopefully he will do great), I like what Rodgers did with Reina. Pepe started fluttering his eyelashes elsewhere, talking about 'bigger' clubs. So Rodgers called his bluff and shipped him out. Let's see how much you enjoy boring old Serie 'A' Pepe, with thicko Ultras thinking they run the clubs. I hope you were watching 95,000 Aussies singing YNWA and wonder if you will still be talking about 'bigger' clubs. Napoli were nothing before Maradona and not much more since he left.

I wouldn't argue with Rodgers doing the same with any other mercenaries who don't realise how privileged they should be to pull on a red shirt. Suarez take note, that doesn't mean you should be let go for below what you are worth, but when you go it will be on our terms.

Being old enough to remember the glory days, I'd love a return to Champions League nights, and another title win. However, for me, any player who is not prepared to sweat blood to bring those days back is not worthy of our support and should be off loaded pronto. I'd sooner see the talented young players given opportunities to shine and progress, even if it means another couple of years without CL. At least they would be giving everything for the shirt.

I always thought nothing would surprise me in football, but the Suarez situation has genuinely shocked me. I don't think anyone had any idea what was to come when the season ended. The lies about the UK press, then wanting to go to Arsenal. My geography is not great, but I think they are in the UK. The cowardice in waiting until he was thousands of miles away before moaning. The ungratefulness after we supported him when he really had no right for us to do so.

Liverpool FC will always be here and we will continue supporting them as long as we live and breathe. The likes of Suarez are only passing ships, who will never even come close to being bigger than the club.

redmersey

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Well said mate, couldn't agree more!

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Good post mate.

Red Rum

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That needed to be said, good post.

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Nice sentiment and wish I could wholly agree. However if you want blood and sweat to return to the summit of football then you'll be waiting a long time. The truth is top players help that cause. We haven got the funds to get them. Not rocket science just realistic fact.

CC

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Brilliant, I can only imagine Suarez reaction when he was told 'youre coming back with us boyo' I bet he thought he'd made enough of a scene to be long gone before facing our fans again!

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You and I think as one redmersey.

Kidder

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Spot on m8
we stood by suarez in thick and thin from abuse we was getting from whole UK and now he wants to go and play for them stabbing us in the back
his greed is enormous, if he would know what loyalty means he would help us to get this 4th spot and then leave. wonder if he goes to arsenal how long will he stays there?What would be next? City chelsea? just who pays him more. Thoughts

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Good post, fully agree, although I do have some sympathy for Pepe. He has been a great servant of the club and I do wish him well. But we'll done BR for showing who is boss
Red Knight

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27 Jul 2013 10:36:13
Mercenaries are a reality so get over it. We live in a world that is focused on the individual rather than the community.

Stevie G isn't born every day.

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Good post. I'd say Suarez generally does sweat blood for Liverpool though. He has a hunger to win probably more than anyone else in the league {Ed001's Note - no, he sweats blood for himself, he plays for himself.}

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Superb post.

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Problem is that there's a limit to how much the owners can put in anyway because of FFP.

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26 Jul 2013 23:07:10
Think the Suarez thing is becoming a joke but think to many people and reading the rubbish in the papers and on rubbishty web sites

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26 Jul 2013 23:05:55
Eds was wondering what has happened about Tom Ince we were strongly lined in jan but its all gone a bit quiet, and with spurs out the equation because of Chadli surely we are front runners! {Ed052's Note - it would help if we had interest. That's always key with the possibility of signing someone. Wanting them}

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Good answer Ed052, I can hear the sarcasm dripping from here. {Ed052's Note - I'm a funny fella}

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26 Jul 2013 23:01:32
Would fellow reds prefer-

1. We sell Suarez to Arsenal for 50m this window

2. We loan Suarez to RM this season.

ForzaRed

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Sell to Arsenal for 50m and move on. He has to leave permanently although I do not believe they will be the only options. I would take 45m from Real over 50 from Arsenal.

Andy K

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Nope 50 mill from arsenal and a a lot of hassle from him will suit me.

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Minimum for Suarez
Arsenal: £40,000, 001 + Walcott
Madrid: £45,000,000

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Why oh why do people want Walcott?

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 22:59:07
There is so many on here that want direct replacements for suarez, then maybe we should fins someone like Welliton Soares de Morais. We would get the drama, the goals and the flair.

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26 Jul 2013 22:45:43
Ed's/Reds, sorry, another Suarez post, but, I was looking at a load of recent/semi recent videos on the LFCTV Tour page and there was a Suarez interview from, must have been not long after he signed his last contract
He talked about how he loves the club, feeling like part of a family, how good the fans/staff had been to him, wanting to stay as long as he could and seemed to be really genuine about it all. My obvious question is, was this all just total PR BS, or has something happened internally within the club to make him change his stance so dramatically. Was there an issue with LFC not backing him after the bite/or something else? Or was this always on the cards as soon as he knew of interest from one of the Spanish big two? {Ed052's Note - we've always backed him. He just wanted to move}

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I hear some people saying It might be because we did not back him up with that biting! Well if you get caught with your pants down you get caught wot is there the club club say he got caught biting a player off the ball in a live game in front of 44500 people kids etc and live on tv in front of millions it was not if he got hit and hit back he did it off the ball when it going out of play the club should have been harder on him and made him do loads of PR around the city local schools etc try and do show the club in better light and him self the club was very very good to him
The club could not be fairer to the player so I do not buy that story / rumour, sorry for long post
Ynwa lfc linc

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I would bet serious coin (if it were in any way provable) that the 'bite' was to initiate the move not the move being a reaction to the bite.

As for why- I don't know. More money and the prestige of CL are possible I guess although I don't think it was either of those myself. I do think Suarez was being a bit over the top in his 'I love LFC so much' schtick though- I never really found it believable especially since he said the same about Ajax.

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Suarez has no backbone or integrity. He just says whatever needs to be said to further his cause. Wait until he arrives at Arsenal proclaiming it as hid dream club. Be gone.

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26 Jul 2013 22:42:26
It can't be a coincidence that all this Suarez transfer saga has kicked off ever since the lime light was taken off him with the cavani transfer! The kid just wants all the attention to be on himself and doesn't give a crap who gets in the way! You can see it in the way he has gone about his move calling out r Madrid (and coincidently who were also after cavani) then getting no were with that one back tracked his comments with regards to the English press and would no doubt go anywhere if a team puts up the sort of money cavani went for so he can run around saying he's still the real deal look at his comments when rvp won the pfa award he reacted like a spoilt brat this little boy he is Peter Pan the boy just won't grow up!

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Could the coincidence be the limited transfer window? Outside of that I don't see Cavani having anything to do with it. I don't doubt that Suarez thrives on attention but just believe he wants out to the best option for him and is doing what he does to achieve his goals, which is achieve them at any cost, even being the bad guy.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 22:38:05
Hey eds, may be a silly question and not transfer related but there has not been any news about him for quite a while, how is Sturridge doing with his injury? Is he expected to be fit for the start of the season? {Ed052's Note - he will be back for Celtic I believe}

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That's great news. Should be a good game.
I think people are forgetting about the potential Sturridge showed last season.

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26 Jul 2013 22:37:01
The Times now claims any further bids from Arsenal are set to prove futile.

Liverpool are reported to have told Arsenal that they have no intention of allowing Suarez to join a club competing with them directly for a Champions League spot, regardless of the Gunners' willingness to meet his asking price.

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Sorry, it's nonsense.

If Arsenal offer £200m do you really think LFC would turn it down?

Every player has his price

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That would appear a risky move in that it is effectively taking competition for Suarez out of the market. The higher the demand, the higher the price. If it is try to up Arsenal's bid some how, it is always a risk to bluff or call a bluff. Not saying I have a clue to the complexities of transfer dealings but time will tell.

Andy K

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If u think arsenal will pffer more tham 50 mill let alone 200 mill then your thevone talking nonsense of course we would sell for 200 mill but that isn't going to happen is it stop talking fairytales

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26 Jul 2013 22:36:50
Rory smith in the times reporting arsenals deal for suarez is dead, looks like its real then

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26 Jul 2013 22:36:34
Hi all

We all know Suarez is on his way out of the club but I must have a little rant.
Why is there a contract between a player and club? It seems only to protect the player and does very little to protect the club. If a player gets injured he still gets paid. If he can never kick a ball again he still gets paid for the length of his contract. If a player gets suspended he still gets paid. But yet all a player has to do is say he wants out and the contract means nothing. The club are the losers and the player gets what he wants all the time.
I'd love if LFC took a stance to prove a point. Suarez can go but not to one of our rivals. If a bid does not come from a team outside the PL then he goes nowhere. Let him rot in the reserves for the remaining of his contract and let him kiss his footballing career goodbye. Would that be too expensive a lesson to teach? Well if Arsenal pip us to 4th spot how much money would that cost us plus the fact that they could then attract better players as they are in the CL. So when I weigh it up I'd let him rot for the sake of the €50M as we would lose so much more if he helps another team into the CL spot instead of us.

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Let a potential £50m asset rot in the reserves to prove a point? Sorry but ridiculous post.

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The contract may be worth 50m to us, maybe more, maybe less, but it is worth a fair bit of kanga either way. The price is what the buying club are willing to pay to end the contract and sign a new one. Player power is always a threat and I guess comes down to how the club handle it. United have been excellent at it under Fergie. The removed/released players when they were ready too. I am not saying they got everything right but they have dealt with player power pretty well over all. Hopefully we are learning how too as well.

Andy K

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Its not £50 mill though is it it's only £22 mill that's what we paid for him we lost near enough that on carroll I would let him rot with the rest of the compost he'll come round it's world cup year he has to be playing and if he doesn't perform bench him again we have to make a firm stand he signed the contract - keep givin in they'll keep doing it.
StevieH

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26 Jul 2013 22:20:19
Just watched benteke score an awesome hatrick againts crew I no it was crew but this guy is very good he's not Andy Carroll as some in here think. Very quick and good feet, I mean coutinho quick feet. Would much prefer him than soldado for 25m

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He is staying with Villa

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26 Jul 2013 22:13:08
Suarez definately going. Liverpool working on a deal for Bernard and Muriel. I'd be happy to get those with Sturridge and coutinho. Suarez will implode in London.

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26 Jul 2013 22:07:42
Hi eds, great job on this site. Are you aware of how much of a transfer budge is available? {Ed052's Note - we don't have a TB}

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Its looking that way! unless we sell LS we get some of that to spend!

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Tuberculosis?

Andy K

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I believe our budget is £20m to £25m, plus what ever we make on transfers.

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20 mill net if we are lucky

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27 Jul 2013 11:32:36
No such thing as a transfer budget, we work on a deal by deal basis if I remember correctly (think Ed02 mentioned it back around April time, when the window was beginning to come into view)

There will probably be a preferred limit to the spending, but if a deal comes up for the right player, they will gladly go over that

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26 Jul 2013 21:52:22
Now see rumour is Benzema and cash for Suarez. Not sure how much. If its £15m please take it. Think Benzema is great and £15m is useful

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What everyone appears to forget is that a lot of players on our wish lists are CL players.

Why would they move to a non CL club. Falcao was different, multi billionaire owner providing tax free salaries

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26 Jul 2013 21:51:59
Eds.is it true saldado has agreed to sign for spurs if so another one bites the dust ynwa reddave {Ed052's Note - miss out did we?}

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Yea we did

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If suarez is indeed leaving then in this case yes we did

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The club are so poor at transfers! Get FSG out god sake we miss out on all these players that we've had interest in and made a bid for and then lose out. Wish we could actually start signing some players and stop missing out!

Oh wait. We have. 4 players.

London red

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You can not miss out on a player we never bid for. You can not miss out on a player we walk away from because we deem him too expensive to pursue.
Reality check!

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 21:47:29
Ed. I still don't get this.
y is this drama happening at Liverpool?
If we would have been in CL last season. suarez would have never ever looked at arsenal.

We are sole responsible for his sale.
Coz today its suarez. tom another player. can we blame them?

On his day. he is as good as Ronaldo or Messi. a game changer. an outstanding football player.

But that's the price u pay when you are not in CL.

Some delude said suarez was incapable of lifting Liverpool from 7th.

yeahh. Allen, and Henderson and downing would lift us from 7th to top of the league. {Ed052's Note - so your saying its the clubs fault we didn't get 4th. LS is as much to blame as everybody else}

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So it had nothin to do with suarez didn't he play washe not involved . as good as ronaldo messi ha ha ha 3 seasons running 1st 2nd tops scores in europ consistainly 60 goals a season 60 frickin goals a season get real if suarez score 60 goals we would be in champ leauge fact but he didn't and we dikdnt and he isn't . really its your opinion but how can u compare ronaldo and messi to suarez . 2 of the most gifted football players ever to grace this planet . as a football fan that's damn right disrespect

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If there is a tier structure in football, then Messi and Ronaldo are in Tier 1.

Bale, Neymar and possibly very few others are Tier 2.

Tier 3 would be Falcao, Cavani, Suarez and others

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Listen stop flapping will yea! He can be an will be replaced! They always are. Keegan replaced by Kenny, Kenny replaced by rush, rush replaced by fowler, fowler replaced by Owen, Owen by Torres, and Torres by luis!

Everyone is going on about arsenal why is he wanting to go to arsenal? His AGENT said they were flattered by this interest, at no point has LS came out an said he wants to go, and just to clear something up, in LS interviews he openly talked about joining Real Madrid 1 DAY who wouldn't buy at the end of every interview he always stated that he has a contract an is happy.

Poor journalism and people being very naive have created mayhem which is gold dust for these rubbish journalist that make rubbish up.

What will be will be and he will ultimately be replaced at the end of the day so stop worrying, if we get £40/£50 mill for a player we bought for £20 mill is take it all day,

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27 Jul 2013 03:48:59
To the guy with the tiers thing
switch Falcao and Neymar round, and add RVP to tier 2 and I think your onto something mate.

Alvy

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Drop Neymar to tier 3! He could be tier 1 though some day. Add Suarez and RVP to tier 2!

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Bale? Tier 2? Not yet. Maybe in a year or two.

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26 Jul 2013 21:39:03
Hi Guys

Watched Suarez in the world cup and rated him straight away, he looked class, was chuffed when Liverpool bought him.

Last year saw a lot of Muriel and felt exactly the same, very similar but much more of a finisher, and younger.

If we get this guy I think we will instantly forget about Suarez like we did with Torres, and I wouldn't care where he goes. This guy will score us 30 goals if we get him, and almost certainly have a better attitude (as the beatles said "it can't get no worse")

Evered {Ed052's Note - you saw Muriel in the WC last year? ;)}

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No Ed but I bet we will all be watching him in the next word cup if Columbia make it, he will be a class act.

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Yes ed that is clearly what he said. Your reply is as childish as some of the trolls on here.

The guys obviously took time out to write a post. I know your busy eds but don't lower yourselves to that standard. Been on this site from the beginning think its time to get back to the standards set then

Alfie {Ed052's Note - It was just a little joke. I knew what the Op meant but we need some friendly humour }

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Wow some guys need a sense of humour! you could clearly see he wasn't trying to wind up Evered with the smiley face at the end. I just don't get some people.

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Sweet ed.

Alfie

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26 Jul 2013 20:52:26
People need to understand that whilst letting Suarez go to a team that wasn't much better than us is undesirable but if we can get 50m for him that would be great business. Arsenal would be getting a player who, undoubtably talelented, is a liability to the team. Whilst we would be able to strengthen further, Arsene would have spent a large chunk of his budget. 28m profit (wages and bonuses not taken into account) is a very good return. The problem is replacing him, Soldado is move of a striker and I can't see him being the mobile interchangeable forward our team would be missing. Lavezzi would be ideal but would unlikely move to us, maybe a less known player who could be moulded to suit our play would benefit us more. Anyway it's more my opinion rather than fact.

Loafmaster flex

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26 Jul 2013 20:43:23
I am praying like everyone we get 2 wins before playing Manchester United at home in game 3 this season.
But if we lose the first 2 games then lose to Utd, would you still support Brendan?

I know I'd be frustrated as hell myself but I do think he's doing a decent job and would still have my support.
He has made mistakes (left us with only one forward for 5 months last season for one).

But he's made some tough tough decisions too that could easily have split his support right up, selling Carroll without giving him a chance, Shelvey being sold for a third of Joe Allen's price, Reina being sent on loan.

These could easily all backfire but at least he had the stones to make the decisions.
I'm glad we have a brave man at the helm.
Only the brave win battles and we are knee deep in one right now with regaining a top 4 status as well as the Suarez debacle.

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We got a glass half full here.

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Confused dot com m8 that's where you need to go!

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It wasn't Brendon fault with the striker saga

London red

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26 Jul 2013 20:37:28
Eds could Muriel play on the wing? {Ed052's Note - it'd be a waste as we'd much better just get a winger. }

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He could start there and interchange with Sturridge.

Lil Red

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26 Jul 2013 20:37:19
Verrati is never moving to us, ever. I highly doubt Toni Kroos would even if available. In fact the only semi-plausible rumour today is Luis Muriel and even that is a big stretch given his price tag is elevated far above his current ability. All in all please stop posting the nonsense rumours people, they are doing my head in.

I don't have any rumours at all, I've heard nothing except we're looking at a couple of youngsters (and I mean proper ones like 16-17 years old). I think we are going to find it difficult to attract top calibre players to our club even with the Suarez money. Bernard would've been a possibility except Arsenal have shown serious interest making it highly unlikely he would choose to play for us. Bryan Rabello looks a quality youngster - eds have there been any inquiries from us about him at all given Sevilla's dire financial situation?

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26 Jul 2013 12:44:26
Ed052 I am really getting concerned as to who can replace the job suarez does for our team, playing in the second striker/attackive midfield role, creating goals as well as scoring 30 a season. Can you see us switching our formation as a result, and who will we buy to replace suarez and where will they play?

Anonymous woolback {Ed052's Note - we won't swap formation. DS and Coutinho will replace most of his goals. Remember when Saurez is banned we score more goals so goals isn't a worry. BR will have his targets I'm sure}

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26 Jul 2013 11:53:17
Ed052/023
As both of you are LFC fans what are your opinions on the Suarez Saga and will it ultimately be good for LFC or not?
I was as annoyed as any other fan at the beginning but now feel maybe feel we are lucky to have another great opportunity to really improve our squad.
The first instance we got 50M for Torres + around 20M from the sales of others (Meireles, Babel etc.) but unfortunately blew it off as garbage.

Now we have been given another opportunity we should easily have atleast around 60M from the sales of Suarez, Downing, Coates etc. and could very well improve the whole team with that money. Yes we will not be able to buy the likes of Sanchez, J. Martinez or Ozil as some over here suggest but can strengthen the attack with better quality players like Soldado, Muriel, Antionne Griezzman, Ben Arfa or Georginio Wijnaldum (easily affording any 3) as well as improve the defence getting in a LB and RB. {Ed052's Note - it will be a good move as for the same as Suarez we can get two attacking players and a defender. We could get 3 quality players. That's got to be worth it! And we will have more attacking options and players who won't be banned or don't pass too haha! We don't need an RB}

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26 Jul 2013 20:38:12
Personally, I could care less if Suarez went to Arsenal provided they pay up. Yes, we'd be strengthening a rival, but if they have that sort of money, they will be strengthening anyway, and we need to get this deal done so we can move on. Hopefully the stalling is simply to get our targets secure before the move goes through. I know we have quoted 50 plus million as his price, but I am willing to bet he'll go for 45, and to Arsenal.

Coop

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26 Jul 2013 20:36:55
I think we had to sign a replacement before Suarez leaves. The clubs may ask for higher fees as they know we will be making cash with Suarez.
And, for those who wants Torres back.
Just remember he want out only because Liverpool not in Champions league and for other financial benifits. And, he hit us back with some unwanted comments. I wonder how u people want him back first Place. U may be supporters of Him not this Club.

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Could work the other way as well. If we sign anther player first, then it will be obvious we're wanting to offload Suarez, which Liverpool at the moment at least are denying, in order to try and maximise any offers put in for him. As for Torres, moving on swiftly.

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26 Jul 2013 20:15:44
As it looks likely bale will give spurs atleast one more season does that change real's chances of going for suarez instead? also heard a lot about us going for muriel is that likely eds or just wishfull lfc fans cheers

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26 Jul 2013 20:26:25
Picture the scene. what if from the money we recieve for Hanniball Lector, and the rest of this seasons transfer budget and the cash we get for player sales we bought the flying winger Konoplyanka,!the Colombian Ronaldo Luis Murriel and the Greek beast Papa would people be happy with that?

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Dream on mate, we've already got Suarez replacement:- Aspas.

Ozone

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"Hanniball Lector" for me personally is perhaps a tad too far. However I would be thrilled with the names you mentioned, unfortunately, can't see it happening. Totally agree with your general point that we will have the opportunity to seriously, seriously strengthen, with the cash it looks like we're going to get. I just hope the faith I have in FSG is well founded, and Brendan is allowed to use it all.

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26 Jul 2013 20:25:12
We hav'nt been linked with anyone for at least an hour now!!

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Funniest post of day.

Jimbob

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Ian Ayre best get his finger out. That's unacceptable

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FSG OUT! :)

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26 Jul 2013 19:15:03
I was one of the few that thought Suarez would stay. However I don't think he will now and I think we're going to get burnt again if not careful. If he was staying he'd have put the rumours to bed by now. My fear is we'll get a reasonable fee, still way off what I think he's worth, but not have time to re-invest. As far as I can see there is a severe shortage of quality strikers out there, soldado being one and he looks Spurs bound. If we do have an interest in Soldado we'll be too late by the time the Suarez saga unfolds. I'd like to hope we've got someone lined up but and I'm pleased on the whole with the transfers to date and the style were adapting under BR, but I just see the teams around us for 4th improving more than we are. Particularly if Arsenal get Suarez, in my book that's as good as 4th place gone.

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I don't think 4th place will be gone if LS joins Arsenal.
4th place is and always will be up for grabs and is up to us to clinch it.
If LS goes to Arsenal ( who have yet to qualify for European cup) there is no guarantee Arsenal will qualify this season or next. What will he do if they don't. put in another transfer request???

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IMO, Suarez, Agger and Skrtel will still be a Liverpool players when this transfer window closes.
Agger and Skrtel have faith in the direction the club is going and will stay. Suarez and his agent expected more interest from clubs to secure his services, alias they are wrong, and he will have to stay put.
I for 1 love his goals, but would rather he kerb his dumb behaviour,
I can't see that happening as his goals and behaviour go hand and hand.

Tilwud.

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26 Jul 2013 19:00:30
on spurs site valencias financial director has said a deal for soldado to move to spurs has been reached were we in for him r was it all media hype.Tommy Irish red

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We will not go for Solado, he is too old, realon we will go for Muriel, much better prospect.

Evered

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Aren't there work permit issues with Muriel? Like, he wouldn't get one.

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26 Jul 2013 20:12:01
Just watching the Liverpool Melbourne game and listening to 95000 fans 10000 miles away singing you'll never walk alon.

There's a lot to be happy about. We might not have the spending power of some teams but no amount of money can buy that sheer fan power.

We will get back to the top one day. If players aren't motivate by seeing that level of support then they don't deserve to have the honour of playing for us.

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As an Irish fan I know there is a huge following of the club outside Liverpool and England. However the age profile of the fans is getting higher. I remember growing up when there was a significant Leeds following in Ireland. They're few nowadays. Chelsea and Man City are building a following with the youth.

What I'm saying is that without success on the pitch attracting youth support is difficult. There is a thin line between financial balance and financial ruin.

Getting the team balance whether investing heavily or scrimping needs to happen relatively quickly in the modern game. Arsenal have surpassed Liverpool in the league since the Premier League started and don't deserve the mockery of some of our fans. Yes we have more league titles and cups but the important thing for our owners to concentrate on now is to provide future success on the pitch. We have a fantastic history but don't let it be at the expense of a successful future.

I hope we can get it right and quickly.

JAG

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Total respect to that rendition of YNWA, awesome. let's hope not just the players, but some of the other Liverpool supporters, (including some of the posters on here), take something from that one.

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Actually arsenal have more fa cups

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Nice one JAG.

dd

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Don't worry I made two more fans, one five years ago and the other 2 years ago. Your born a red not have your head turned by money.

shanedub

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26 Jul 2013 20:11:07
To every rumour here the Ed says we are not interested. Can he or anyone else tell me any player we are interested in and have a chance of signing?

Imran {Ed030's Note - Morata and Praet to name two. }

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Id be happy with them Ed.
redfox.

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We're looking at Praet? When did this emerge? {Ed052's Note - November I think}

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Ed do u think praet would bring more to the team than morta? What is praet's preferred position? Do u think he is a goal scorer or provider? {Ed030's Note - Attacking midfield,He is more of a creative player however he does bag himself a few goals. }

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26 Jul 2013 19:45:36
eds bale or suarez {Ed030's Note - Ooh,Probably Bale. }

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26 Jul 2013 20:21:47
Nope I will take Suarez all day, 30+ goal striker and have skills like messi only lacks pace and does 2-3 job for a team, he is a winger at the same time he is a striker at the sametime he is a creative player and most important he is a winner, I doubt you can find any player close to what Suarez does on pitch except messi!

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Bale. If nothing else he's apparently worth 20M or so more than Suarez.

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Suarez is amazing, but not messi. The ball sticks to Messi in an effortless way as he passes people. Suarez bounces it off their legs and bounds his way through with a touch of luck from the ricochet

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26 Jul 2013 19:38:53
Is Luis Muriel a viable option to replace Suarez?

Thanks
ynwa {Ed030's Note - Try the search function. }

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26 Jul 2013 19:10:10
I have no idea why some posters want Cissoko. He's worse than Enrique and imo not even better than what we have in Robinson.
Guardado (a winger who is poor defensively) was prefferes to him at Valencia because this guy cannot defend to save his life.
We need a RB and a LB that can defend. Kelly > GJ. And cissoko is not what we need.

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It's only a loan! Win-win!

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26 Jul 2013 20:35:37
Puzzled mate it doesn't matter as far as he is cheap, Rodgers happy, Board happy so are Fans happy, its win win situation

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Gotta agree with that, why waste the loan fee and high wages when Robinson is there or Johnston can switch to LB, no Europa this season. Cissokho is entirely average.

Ciario80

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I agree with Puzzled Red. Not good enough and a waste of wages.

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Personally I'm a massive fan of Enrique he is an absolute unit! I can't see why we need cover so badly! With Kelly and Wisdom able to play right back and might I say very well, Johnson can fill in at left backif needed!

Would love to hear everyone else's thoughts?

Cheers {Ed052's Note - Enrique is poor. Poor passer. Poor skills. Poor final ball and his positional sense is almost as bad as GJ. }

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26 Jul 2013 18:57:35
We could have heskey upfront and he'd score 20 a season with coutinho putting them on a plate

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26 Jul 2013 20:10:32
He got over 20 goals the year we won the cup treble

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26 Jul 2013 18:51:29
Heard Skrtel and Coates will move on when Liverpool get back. Skrtel to Napoli and Coates to Italy or Brazil.

Just my opinion but I think Papadopolous from Schalke will be signed as a replacement for them. Good player too!

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26 Jul 2013 17:00:46
Hey Eds, one of you said it looks ilori can be put out of the question now with no decision over the price. Do you think we will look for another CB to replace Coates and have we been looking at any others? or will Coates most likely stay now? Thanks eds {Ed002's Note - I don't know what the plan is if Coates goes - but folks see a couple of the youngsters as being ready to step up.}

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Wisdom Kelly and Sama are all good enough to play there

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Wisdom is there and Jones isn't too far away!

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I think Wisdom should go on a season long, ideally the Championship with a recall option. Somewhere he can play 40+ games regularly and hopefully push for a start next season (2014-15). I have huge faith in him but regular competitive games is what he needs.

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Jones? As in Lloyd Jones?
You must be joking, he's decent in the air but has no sense of position or pace.
Mark my words, Lloyd Jones is never going to be first team material.
Just watch some youth matches from last season when there were gaping holes in the middle of the defence when he played.
Sorry but it's true.
Wisdom on the other hand looks quality and always has.

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26 Jul 2013 18:43:29
Guyz Luis Suarez has just ask the Premier League to step in and resolve his contract dispute with Liverpool

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26 Jul 2013 18:56:06
Ed30 mate what can Premier league or FA do for him? Can Suarez force the move despite having 3 years contract with us? {Ed030's Note - No,He can request a move,He can't force it through. }

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He as a contract with Liverpool nobody but Liverpool can change who suarez plays for.

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What dispute? He only signed it 12months ago

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26 Jul 2013 18:26:30
ED'S, Is the clause in Suarez's contract a buyout clause of £40mill, and if so can the legally ask for more?

alan50 {Ed030's Note - He has a clause that clubs can speak to him if they offer £40 million however Liverpool still have the options to accept or reject the offer. }

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Then why is he taken them to court

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Bit of strange clause isn't it ed? I mean what does it actually achieve {Ed030's Note - I have no idea mate. }

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It does indeed seem a very strange clause and relatively pointless given that his agent would likely know of any bids already. One does have to wonder why his agent/others wanted it included in the first place.

Eds, is this sort of a clause (like the one Suarez apparently has) common? I really don't think I've ever heard of anything like it previously?

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Liverpool don't have to sell Luis Suarez to the clubs that offer £40 million but it does mean that Luis Suarez can agree personal terms with the clubs that offer £40 million.

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26 Jul 2013 18:21:41
Think people are starting to get impatient on here now. with the first 4 squad players brought in quite a while ago, we missed out on the armenian, and the judas suarez story, I think people are wanting some good news regarding a big name player coming in.
Were being linked to every *ucker and their dog everyday, some of these names were getting excited about (muriel) and some not so (jorghino). What with the suarez saga going to drag on until deadline day, we are looking for something to look forward to. other than the friendly wins.
I can't wait for it all to end and let our lads do the talking on the pitch.
Roll on the stoke game, and long live all the loyal lfc players such as gerrard, agger, carra and lucas

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Have to agree with you there!

I don't even know who I would like if Suarez stays or goes!

I just want the window to be over because its starting to leave a sour taste!

Let the season begin and get behind the team!

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Agreed lads

Alfie

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Well Manchester United and arsenal haven't done anything

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26 Jul 2013 17:59:00
Got to agree with sh, I used to post all the time but certain people's attitude have put me off.

Sigglebean

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Its because you can't say anything without someone trying to give you agg or make out their a better supporter! People seem to forgot its a banter site! Too many keyboard warriors!

YNWA is meant to be more than just a song sang at the beginning of games!

Not every has to agree but it's only BANTER

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Hey Dav agree again lad. Keep up the posts

Alfie

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26 Jul 2013 17:42:30
I've just woken up and an REM moment cruelly coaxed me into seeing Philippe Coutinho, Yevhen Konoplyanka and Daniel Sturridge all in a Standard Chartered red shirt and in telepathic footballing tandem! So you can appreciate the pathos when having my cereal I realised it wasn't a reality . Konoplyanka would be a statement of intent and guarantee us a chance of top 4 coupled with the exciting youth we have in our squad. The Ukranian league is a tough one full of hard, dirty players and i'm sure he would be able to handle the rigours of the Premiership! We need someone on the left of a 3 and I really think this fella won't be super expensive I think we could get him for under 25 million. He's probably owned by 1000 businessmen so that could prove a problem, wages we could match although lots of money in Ukraine and I think he'll prefer the climate in Liverpool (did I just say that?) The more I think about it the more i'd prefer Konoplyanka over Bernard. Alas only ever going to be a pipe dream.

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26 Jul 2013 17:33:22
Hi all, not a rumour but a few questions.

What's this Soldado like? £26 million for a 28 year old seems steep (I know that's a reported figure, but its probably the ball park we're talking if Spurs are debating it).

Is he the type of player that will adapt well to the Premiership? Also, what exactly is Liverpools interest at the moment?

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26 Jul 2013 19:12:30
Soldado is a great finisher, his goals are mostly tap ins, he is completely different player to suarez, he doesn't dribble or take 2-3 players like Suarez neither will offer anything to our team unless we play him on middle, before anyone starts I have Seen him for years and I think he is not what we need, truth is we can't replace Suarez because he was not only scoring for us but was even opening opposition defenders for other players/sturridge to take advantage, we need to replace him with class winger that's just my opinion.:)

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26 Jul 2013 20:31:16
I disagree with the second poster. Soldado would be perfect for LFC along with coutinho, Aspas, and Sturridge. Watch the video below. Very talented and capable of all types of goals.

Red American

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDraK6Hl6jc

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26 Jul 2013 21:50:44
Red American.
has soldado ever taken a free kick in his entire life?
suarez would do it at least 5-10 time a season.
can Suarez beat 2 people from the corner flag and set up an impossible angle?

Its ridiculous someone comparing a CF to suarez?
he might be good like sturridge. But luis suarez is a different player.

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No name poster. It was stated by you or some other troll that all he scores is tap ins. In reality that is not true. Luis Suarez is a special talent who's days are numbered for our great club. Yes Suarez can beat his man but too often wastes his shot or would rather pull off 3 nutmegs than pass for an easy tap in. Would rather have a lethal "team" player striker than a DF Suarez.

Red American

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26 Jul 2013 18:08:55
I recall a July 21 deadline for Suarez situation to be 'declared'. I wonder why the club haven't formally announced he is up for transfer? I assume that would potentially lower his transfer fee, but how can it be a secret to other clubs? Wouldn't his agent be just telling everyone?

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Bcos he isn't available for transfer

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26 Jul 2013 17:59:00
Got to agree with sh, I used to post all the time but certain people's attitude have put me off.

Sigglebean

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26 Jul 2013 17:42:30
I've just woken up and an REM moment cruelly coaxed me into seeing Philippe Coutinho, Yevhen Konoplyanka and Daniel Sturridge all in a Standard Chartered red shirt and in telepathic footballing tandem! So you can appreciate the pathos when having my cereal I realised it wasn't a reality . Konoplyanka would be a statement of intent and guarantee us a chance of top 4 coupled with the exciting youth we have in our squad. The Ukranian league is a tough one full of hard, dirty players and i'm sure he would be able to handle the rigours of the Premiership! We need someone on the left of a 3 and I really think this fella won't be super expensive I think we could get him for under 25 million. He's probably owned by 1000 businessmen so that could prove a problem, wages we could match although lots of money in Ukraine and I think he'll prefer the climate in Liverpool (did I just say that?) The more I think about it the more i'd prefer Konoplyanka over Bernard. Alas only ever going to be a pipe dream.

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Just another Arshavin

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26 Jul 2013 17:03:28
EDs, LFC where linked with Muniain and Susaeta quite a lot over the past 4/5 transfer windows, any info on them regarding any move this summer to any club?

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26 Jul 2013 14:48:15
hi eds. just a quick question, as the big clubs are all buying strikers does that just leave arsenal and real Madrid to buy saurez?
thanks andy {Ed030's Note - No. }

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26 Jul 2013 18:03:09
just an ironic observation, with everyone saying arsenal should pay Liverpools valueation of saurez, why aren't lfc offering 26+mil for saldado as that is the price his club are valueing him at,

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Simple fact is IF Arsenal want Suarez they should pay what LFC want and IF and its a BIG IF LFC want Soldado they should offer Valencia's asking price. But if Valencia are willing to negotiate should LFC be persons and insist please take the 30M.

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When did we actually say we wanted soldado or put a bid in? Arsenal started the bidding at £30m which is a joke for a player who on his day is only behind messi and ronaldo.

Ynwa

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Yes, that would go down well with the bank and the local authorities in Valencia. 'So, what are you doing to reduce your debt.' 'Well, we've just spent another 26m on a striker on 6 figure wages, without even CL to pay for it.' 'Ah, very good, your credit rating has gone back up to AAA. Now, please also buy ronaldo and iniesta just to make sure.'

El Pi**edolero

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But you can only induce negotiation if you offer less than the asking price, therefore Liverpool will offer less than the asking price, the words hypocracy and smacks of come to mind

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26 Jul 2013 17:55:16
It appears to me the owners can't win. If a player is on the bench earning over 100k they will get stick and if they try to improve our finances by reducing the wage bill they still get stick. I believe the owners were pressured into paying over the odds for a "statement" signing with regards to Andy C and now that they are trying to conduct business a little more wisely people are at it. At the end of the day if we can cut costs on wages on overrated players then it could free up finance for a move on a potentially better player. I for one don't want players to come to our club wanting silly wages of 150k-200k for the simple fact is we would be signing another Suarez - A player that doesn't want to play for the shirt and will throw his dummy out when things go wrong. Have some faith lads and let's get behind BR, those who say he is a poor manager really don't know a lot about football and spend too much time playing championship manager. #YNWA

PL

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Blame kk for that.

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26 Jul 2013 17:41:22
Congratulations to the Liverpool board

They have handled the Suarez situation brilliantly.

It appears they have learnt their lessons from previous transfer windows. And about time too.
The club is in such a powerful position. Suarez only signed a new contract last summer. Liverpool have a price that they value him at. A reasonable price given the amount other players have sold for recently. Any club wishing to purchase him should meet that valuation.
In contrast, Suarez has put himself in an impossible position. He has thrown the support back in the face of everyone at the club by considering a move to Arsenal. Liverpool fans can't make sense of it because it doesn't make sense.

So Arsenal are in the Champions League. They haven't won a trophy since their FA Cup success in May 2005. That's the same month that Liverpool won the greatest ever Champions League Final. Against one of the greatest ever AC Milan teams. Since then Liverpool have also won the UEFA Super Cup, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield and the League Cup. That's five trophies. Not to mention the fact that the club also got to another Champions League final in 2007 and finished 2nd in the Premier League in the 2008/09 season.
OK, the league position hasn't been good enough for the last few years but if Suarez is moving to further his career Arsenal are the wrong club.

This brings me to the lack of loyalty. No one would argue that he owes the fans, his team mates, the managers and the board some loyalty. It's hard to imagine people connected with Arsenal or any other club standing by him during the racism and biting events. And even now, despite everything, if Suarez stayed the Liverpool fans would still support him. This says more about them as supporters than him as a man. Sadly his quality as a man doesn't match his quality as a player. He is a top, top player. One of the best in the world. But no player is bigger than the club. And I worry that keeping him at all costs goes against this. Of course I wouldn't advocate selling him to a Premier League rival. And I doubt very much that Liverpool will sell Suarez to Arsenal. I imagine he will either stay for another year or go to Real Madrid.

Personally I would like to see him go abroad for the right price and the club replace him with someone who wants to be here. Because as well as he's played over the last couple of years, he has damaged the club's image and £50 million buys Liverpool a top striker and midfielder. Whatever happens, that should bring some comfort to Liverpool fans who, even now, can't bear to see him leave.

Source-Empire Of The Kop

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Like what you have to say slaphead.

Leeb7red.

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Excellent post. Agree 100%.

Other than the Ed's, a rare sensible and accurate post on this site where non of the blame has been directed at BR or the board/owners.

Some of the posts about BR on here from his personal appreance to how he has conducted himself in the transfer market and press conferences have been disrespectful.

I support BR 110%, I think he is progressing the club & doesn't get enough credit or respect on here or the gutter press.

Jimbob

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Saurez may or not go to arsenal but even a blind man can see the writing on the wall arsenal have got a brand new stadium dept is coming down so now they can splash out and get back to where they belong (fighting for titles) unfortunatly to get to this point we had to scrimp and save which has damaged our ability to compete for trophies but not anymore, incidentally during are hard times we have still managed to finish above lfc more times than they above us, lfc are at least 10yrs behind arsenal (as a business model) and your hard times of scrimping and saving has now started.we won't pay 50mil for saurez or anywhere near it you can keep him plus everything that entails, we will just buy sombody else, arsenal was going through transition last year the players are now bedding in and some of the young lads are terrific so we are not in dire straights to sign a striker though it would be nice.you are right arsenal fans wouldn't have stood by LS like the lfc fans we let are players know what we think when they do wrong, adebayor,, nasri, rvp and also sagna this season all got boo, ed and heckled by us gooners for even utering the words "i might be interested in a move, we aren't sheep at emirates and we call a spade a spade, hence any players that come to arsenal know our history, its the famous arsenal way or f-ck off. btw I don't understand why there is so much arsenal bashing going on here its your player wants to leave and we are only offering to buy him of you which is quite normal, if we don't buy him from you someone else is going to, hurt, anger, betrayal, revenge need to be put aside as its only business, if arsenal walk away and R, M don't come in for him the inteligent among you will realise that would be a nightmare scenario.

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Trev, your debt hasn't miraculously gone, in fact it's been reduced by a mere £5.5m in 12 months, a mere £11m in 24 months. The stadium isn't the only reason Arsenal have been counting the pennies. Dividends are another reason and AW himself has said before that he needs to make £20m a season to keep the shareholders happy. It's clear the board are under pressure to spend this season to keep the season ticket holders happy. There is extra money due to sponsorship money & TV money and it's clear the club want to make a big signing to appease the fans. And rightly so as the fans deserve the club to spend money as it's been milked dry for years. I am not convinced Arsenal will end up with a big signing, so far Jovetic & Higuain have slipped through your fingers and Suarez will probably go to RM as Liverpool will accept less from them. So don't count your chickens just yet as even though you are bidding for players, you still have none as of yet.

Disney!

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In the time we have played two UCL finals including winning our 5th & 5 other cups, how much silverware has arsenal won in that time? (Excluding the emirates cup!)

Be very careful coming on here gushing with we have done this & saved for that because have you guarenteed 4th for the next forthcoming season already?

And when Lfc did grace UCL we aimed to win it every time, not aimed to progress from group stages.

What makes me laugh about wenger boys they actually measure achievement on league position & not silverware.

I really hope arsenal shell out 50m on Suarez, that in 2 and a half years at Lfc 2/3 of a season has been spent suspended & resulted in no improvement in our league position, but at least it only cost us 23m.

Jimbob

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26 Jul 2013 17:30:46
is there any chance of ljajic. he only has 1 year left on his contract
{Ed030's Note - Doubt it. }

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26 Jul 2013 16:20:45
Quick question for the Ed's or anyone; Are RM really expected to bid for both Bale ans Suarez? Spurs valuation of Bale is around 60 and they've already gotten Isco ans Illarmendi for 30 and 38 million respectively, can they afford both? {Ed030's Note - They could afford both,Real Madrid just borrow money of the banks when they want a player as banks know they will get it paid back with interest and it's good for Madrid. }

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Don't know if I read it here but RM seem to have trouble selling Suarez to their banks/investors/sponsors to get the credit to go ahead with the operation and bid.

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Don't know if I read it here but RM seem to have trouble selling Suarez to their banks/investors/sponsors to get the credit to go ahead with the operation and bid.

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Ed I was always under the impression that the Spanish government always baled out Madrid due to the fact that they were the kings team and were not aloud to be in financial trouble

Lurgan red {Ed030's Note - Yep they do mate. }

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26 Jul 2013 15:20:59
Hi Eds, Could you please enlighten me. How did Arsenal (and media) find out about a clause in a contract? Surely someone has been underhanded here. Didn't LFC get fined for knowing about a clause way back when against Sunderland? Thanks in advance. {Ed030's Note - I don't know mate. }

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From Suarez agent, not rocket science.

Jimbob {Ed002's Note - Perhaps they read about it on here whenit was discussed last year.}

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Probably the same way as everyone on here! Posters have been talking about a £40M clause (to talk) for yonks (and I didn't mean to say yanks so the Eds have no need to change anything)

Puzzled

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26 Jul 2013 20:59:24
then where did the posters find out from? and also I'm pretty sure I've read on here that were signing Rooney more than a couple of times, does it make that true also?

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I really don't get this. You sign a player for X number of Pounds, and he and his agent insist on some form of release clause. It may be money amount related, related to certain teams coming in for him, or any other daft provision that the agent might like the sound of. Then, then, the whole thing is deemed to be confidential, so no other team is to know what they could do to get said player. Odd.
Or am I missing something?

Redjinal

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26 Jul 2013 14:53:40
Would Liverpool be likley to find a replacement for suarez before selling him, to try and reduce an inflated price tag for their chosen target?. If you had to make a educated guess who do you believe the replacement to be?

Cheers eds {Ed030's Note - I don't think a replacement will be bought,I would like Muriel and Soldado however we all know the Muriel situation. }

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Why tempt us with the prospect of Soldado, Muriel, Sturridge, & Coutinho! That would be an amazing attack! Wouldn't need a new CB because we'd outscore our way to top 4

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Why tempt us with the prospect of Soldado, Muriel, Sturridge, & Coutinho! That would be an amazing attack! Wouldn't need a new CB because we'd outscore our way to top 4

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26 Jul 2013 17:10:31
Another Suarez post I'm afraid. with all this transfer talk going on and how bitter it could yet become what with the reported death threats to suarez and all that over his potentially move, which is a bit much, got me thinking.
If an F1 driver gets banned from driving does that affect him from competing in races

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Of course not, they're private tracks.

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26 Jul 2013 16:52:18
eds with columbia ranked third in the world would a wp for muriel be easier to obtain {Ed030's Note - It would help in a case. }

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26 Jul 2013 16:36:48
Hi eds a coupleuof questions cor you sorry one is a about suarez
1. If suarez puts in a formal transfer request will this effect the fee ir the tranfer at all aoart from the lack of a loyalty bonus
2. What is the eds most used/popular site when it come {Ed030's Note - 1)Yes it would,2)I really don't understand that question. }

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26 Jul 2013 16:36:38
If Luis Suarez does leave who could replace him, I heard we made a bid for Soldado but that bid got rejected but if we went in with a higher bid would it be possible for a move given his buyout clause is £26,000,000 thanks Eds

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26 Jul 2013 16:32:45
Was just thinking that maybe Stevie is going to play behind Sturridge next season with Coutinho out left and Downing/Aspas on the right. My reason for thinking this is that we've still got Joe Allen who was signed to be a big part in the way we play football, now that he's fully fit I can't imagine him sitting on the bench.

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Could have a point there mate?

I thought Stevie might have sat, next to Lucas, but you could be right?
Especially if we don't sign anyone for that specific position.

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26 Jul 2013 16:32:06
95000 adoring fans in melbourne. Then there's the ones on this site. no comparison

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26 Jul 2013 16:30:37
If the stroppy one leaves, get Murial he will be awesome {Ed030's Note - I don't think Muriel will be up for cleaning. }

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26 Jul 2013 16:26:40
If Suarez did take LFC to court/tribunal and was granted the transfer. not sure exactly what they could rule?

Could this situation lead to a new type of 'Bosman' for future movement of players?

Could we see contracts formally seen as useless other than to protect the player for entitlement of wages?
Players sign a four year deal and move the next season, we all know/have heard of player power etc but if LFC do not want to sell and Suarez wins his case (should it go there) the contract means nothing.

Or am I over thinking this?

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You're not understanding mate.
Suarez thinks that a bid over £40m allows him to leave/talk to the bidding club whereas Liverpool believe the clause states they only have to inform him of a bid.

MUSHROOM

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To be fair to the OP, Suarez's contract at Gronigen was I think even more cut and dried than his current one and that surely didn't stop him from suing (and eventually losing) them anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a similar situation happen here if he doesn't feel he's getting his way as his track record (a previous suing, a referee headbutting, 2 bitings, and a racial incident) is not exactly stellar.

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I do understand. Suarez wants out Lfc want him to stay or go for the price they set. Rumours are Suarez will go to tribunal or court to force move if lower offer ends up only offer.
My question is if Suarez were to win the case and move for example to Arsenal for £40m+£1 would this set a president for future transfer like Bosman did for free of contract players? Cause if be wins and moves after signing a four year deal only a season later against the wish of his club. What is the point of contracts after this case. if it were to happen. No one seems to have looked at this.

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26 Jul 2013 16:21:08
luis suarez should be made play at anfield one more time so the fans can give him some stick he is a trator after the way the Liverpool fans stuck by him if he wanted to leave why sign a new contract last year I think lfc should stick him in reserves for one season I no at a cost but this little throll deserves no more and if lfc sell him to the gooners then I think its time the club is put up for sale cause we won't see champs league for 6 7 8 seasons br is the man for the job not to sure boyt the owners {Ed030's Note - What a good idea,Stick someone we could sell for over£40 million in the reserves,You sir are a genius.This is a troll post to let you all know,He sent it 4 times. }

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And a dumb troll at that .
redforever

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26 Jul 2013 16:17:46
Rumour is that John Bradley has been offered a playing contract. Only concern is his fitness.
Ayre Out!

Patpoon

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Hi Patpoon,

I've not heard of him. Can you tell us a little about his please. Cheers

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Is that the guy who scored against us last pre-season? An American playing for Roma?

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Very funny patpoon, he's the overweight commentator on the clubs lfctv

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26 Jul 2013 15:43:50
Eds - I'll put this as succinctly as possible: are we more likely to accept a lower bid from RM for LS than for a higher bid from the gooners? {Ed030's Note - No,The highest bid would be accepted. }

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How about players in exchange

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26 Jul 2013 15:41:15
Rodgers and Ayre both confirm Suarez is staying.

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Think they are staying strong to get the best possible price for our number 7 .
redforever

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26 Jul 2013 15:44:39
luis suarez should be made play at anfield one more time so the fans can give him some stick he is a trator after the way the Liverpool fans stuck by him if he wanted to leave why sign a new contract last year I think lfc should stick him in reserves for one season I no at a cost but this little throll deserves no more and if lfc sell him to the gooners then I think its time the club is put up for sale cause we won't see champs league for 6 7 8 seasons br is the man for the job not to sure boyt the owners

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26 Jul 2013 15:43:48
Not totally Liverpool related but what player do the Ed's feel has been the signing of the summer so far? {Ed030's Note - Isco to Madrid,Fantastic player. }

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I completely disagree ed! He's a fantastic player but Ozil will hurt him in my opinion. He should of went to England!

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26 Jul 2013 15:32:26
Sean Ireland

Why are you signing in your your sign-off and then stupidly posting it as me?

The real AG

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Read the post. It looks like more of a shot at you than anything.

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Think he was just trying to prove a point mate, he was saying people can just sign off as anyone, whereas if they were registered you'd see there sign off name at the bottom - either that or he is an absolute muppet lol

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26 Jul 2013 16:16:11
AG, superb my friend, just went through and found the post you were referring to with Sean Ireland. Best thing is that his post was moaning about people having to log in!

Anfield Andy

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26 Jul 2013 17:23:35
Also Sean, where did you pull the 11 assists stat from? I can only find (from multiple different stat sites) 5 assists in the league and 6 in total. Yet you've got 11 and 13. Just curious seen as you decided to ignore my entire post in a childish attempt to protect your hero worship opinion of a man who has just said we are not good enough for him.

You want to disagree, fine. But be man enough to put together a constructive argument rather than leaving a snide pathetic comment back. And I also saw your impersonation of The Real AG. So how about a proper justification to both of us, instead of a childs reply, ey?

YNWAdam

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1st reply: You are the one who needs to read the post. He signed in as "Sean Ireland", then posted something, forgot he was signed in, and then put my sign-off at the end of the post.

Swallybean, I am leaning towards the muppet part.

YNWAdam, he probably got the stats from "transfermakrt"; there, they have given him 11 assists, but in the FA website, it is 6. This is the confusing part I was alluding to some time back, as transfermarkt have included, being fouled, leading to penalty converted as an "assist" while the FA website don't. Similarly for dfelected goals.

So, Sean Ireland, care to explain what is the thinking behind your impersonation?

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The real Ag, sorry just checking the site now only seen this.

That was me making my point that anyone can sign as anyone else if they're not registered. I done it while signed in on purpose - Swallybean got it really thought more would - go check I posted numerous things around the time I wasn't signed in "by chance" or anything.

Anfield Andy, you just didn't get the joke.

Adam, I have continuously called Suarez a DF - he's not my hero. Got my stats from transfer markt - v good for checking and I didn't include the internationals. Reason I didn't look at the rest of your post was you based your point on stats which were 50%?

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Real Ag, just noticed as well that you're signed in for your 2nd post that's also kind of why I chose your name. You'd be fairly well respected, imo, but you aren't normally logged in.

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26 Jul 2013 15:20:06
With Ayre saying Suarez is not for sale means he's off as soon as a decent offer comes in, as usual they are just trying to say the right things to the fans as they know we don't like us always selling our better players.

Just like with Reina we got told another goalkeeper was brought in to add competition, then he's out the door on loan.

Why don't they just say all our players are for sale at the right price which is the true answer.

FSG don't want to pay high wages or fees and are looking to reduce the losses on their business's.

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You sir, are clueless.
Daveyliver.

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The club''s position iis perfectly clear. They have no desire to sell Suarez however he is free to put in a written request and if he does, so long as an acceptable offer comes in, he can go. The problem is Suarez will not submit a written request because he loses £2M if he does.

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It's a game, that's why.

Just assume every player wants more money and more success and every player has a price.

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Ayre never said he's not for sale, he said we have no 'intention of selling'. Different thing entirely.

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26 Jul 2013 16:15:03
Daley, you sir are correct. FSG are simply scrubbing the decks of players on wages they don't deserve, such as Carroll, Bellamy, Rodriguez.
Difference with Reina is that he has wanted/needed a move for a while. We now have £4m a year off the wage budget with him out on loan, and we have a perfectly adequate replacement on lower wages on Mignolet, one of the leagues top keepers last year.
FSG are willing to pay high fees and high wages where they are warranted, they don't just want mercenaries.

Anfield Andy

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Everybodies players are for sale at the right price.
Deluded, negative fans drag our club down.

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Are you trying to suggest that you'd be happier if Ayre came out and said "yes, we're looking to sell him but the current fee for transfer isn't enough but you can get him for a bit more ". What he has done is in the best interest of the club and its fans. Ayre has done some senseless things in the past but this time around he's done a really good job with regards to transfers as well as getting key players to extend their contracts from last season.

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Because owners who want to increase their losses are much better aren't they? Do you know what our wage bill is? Where we keep finishing? That Reina & Suarez both wanted to look at other options?

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H what an person? let's say there all for sale and then get 10 bob for them some people must be saying stuff on here for a dare!

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26 Jul 2013 15:14:21
Everything seems to have died down with people expecting Skrtel to leave. BR will be more confident having signed Kolo. Ed's do you expect him to stay or does it depend on another CB signing?

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Who out there can we buy and would want to come is better than martin Skrtel?

Im more than happy to keep him he is a top defender, 1 bad season don't make you rubbish!

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Probably has until say this tour is over to prove himself

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26 Jul 2013 15:16:23
Hey Eds, heard that BR should be intressted in signing Yevhen Konoplyanka from Dnipro, heard he should be a pretty talented guy from ukraine, any chance we´re intressted? {Ed030's Note - I would live him as I said a couple of weeks ago,No interest at the moment though. }

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Must I've never heard of the lad, he is any good, is he a squad player or 1st teamer?

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I'd make him a first team player. Very talented, I'm surprised no team has bought him alread.

Nevada

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26 Jul 2013 18:30:55

Cheers
Prendergel
I think we'd get Yevhen Konoplyanka for anything between 10 and 15million {Ed002's Note - You will be wanting teh fantasy football page then.}

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He looked quite good in the Euros and seems to check some of the boxes (young-ish, LW, scores more often with his right foot, etc.) but I have no idea as to his situation.

With Nevada and am a bit surprised there haven't been more rumours about him (not necessarily related to LFC, just in general).

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26 Jul 2013 15:13:15
Hello fellow kopites,
The best way to replace Suarez in the LFC squad :

1.One of Soldado or Muriel - added with Sturridge, Aspas and Borini will get us the more goals than Suarez scored last season.
2. either of Bernard (if he hasn't joined porto) or Antionne Griezmann or Munian to add the creativity that Suarez brings so that Coutinho doesn't feel the pressure of being the creator every game.
3. A decent RW to replace Downing - Ben Arfa would be good or even Ryan Badabouz (the lad we had previous interest in).

All Three players (one from each option) pretty realistic as we have no CL and would end up costing around 50-55M which we should have following the sale of Suarez and Downing.
I know random names but as the club is yet to identify its replacement for Suarez we might end up with them.

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How do you know they haven't someone in mind. The club is hardly going to come out and say "So and so is Suarez replacement"

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1) We will not be signing Muriel for reasons that have been explained umpteen times before. I still don't see why we need to sign another striker if Suarez leaves. We have sturridge, Borini and Aspas. Some teams don't play with a recognised forward and they do OK, examples Spain, Barcelona and the other day Bayern Munich.

2)Suarez only really brought creativity to himself. Coutinho is quality, Gerrard can create, is it a coincidence that Torres stopped scoring once he left? Allan has a good eye for a final ball and then there is both Sterling and Ibe. I would have also included Suso but unfortunately he has gone out on loan.

3) Ben Arfa is made of glass. He will miss more games through injuries than Suarez does through Bans. I would replace Downing but I wouldn't sell him. I think Downing is a good squad player.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 15:07:49
I think arsenal will up their bid to nearer the 50 mill mark by Sunday, based on fact that if Bale signs new contract with spurs RM will come at Liverpool all guns blazing for Suarez and a wenger knows they are no competition for RM. can I also add that I think Rodgers and ayres are doing a grey job in the face of much adversity from Suarez his agent and some fans, Suarez while a brilliant player has been no end of trouble and after biting incident I'm amazed were even getting offered 40 mill plus pound Jamie carragher threw back to fans at highbury Rob

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26 Jul 2013 14:58:06
I'm dismayed at the amount of posters that instantly jump on BR and the owners back when bad news surfaces.

Have some faith.

AndyRED

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I agree mate

Billynwa

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It is daunting how many unfounded accusations are thrown around on here. Posts like this are like a little island of sanity.
Daveyliver.

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What bad news? Won every game in pre season? Getting a better price than I thought for LS by the looks of it. Called Reina's bluff and replaced with top younger GK. Finished last season with top 4 form. Best football in years. Wage bill coming down. Those are facts while the doom-mongers are just worried about things that might happen but haven't yet.

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This is a good point, if he doesn't do well they might look to sell him in the january window

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Hear hear Kidder. And might I add that the majority of that pre season form has been without LS. The youngsters have looked great. Rodgers has got it mostly right with transfers so far and I'd love to see what he can do with another 40 to 50 million.

The future is bright.

AndyRED

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26 Jul 2013 14:50:42
GM ED great job with this site thanks for the hard work .

This what I see with this Suarez situation yes the player won't to leave but RM and not going to pay nowhere the asking price that Liverpool are demanding and can you see the gooner spending 50m or more to get him. I think he be with Liverpool for one more season unhappy but never less with Liverpool . The gamble I see Liverpool taking is that they hope Suarez will perform because of he's passion for the game and that can come back and bit them hard when you got someone not performing on the pitch it could or can cause problems with the other players.

Happy a nice day

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26 Jul 2013 14:49:34
I find it exasperating that we "may" if media reports are to be believed are willing to pay up to £26m for Soldado, who will be 29 next May. yet potentially could have bidded for David Villa for £5m. No wonder we are in a financial mess.

If Suarez, as seems likely will go for anywhere between £42-45m surely that money would be wisely spent on three additions to the team, namely.

Cissokho - As Valencia have said they would take £5m

Bernard - Athletico Minero would take £22m

Erikson - Ajax want £18-22m for him

All three fit the young profile of the squad and would all cost the money Suarez would bring in.

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Eriksen is available for £14.7M not anywhere near £18M - £22M you have suggested & Cissokho will join early nxt wk on loan with a view to a deal in the summer for £4M

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Don't believe everything you read, bear in mind we wouldn't pay just £6m for Dempsey last year as he was deemed too old for that sort of money.
I'm still not convinced we even have interest in Soldado.

MUSHROOM

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I don't think erikson will cost that much

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Thank you for the good humor!

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26 Jul 2013 14:39:15
In his next interview, Suarez is going to explain that in Uruguay if you say 'Real Madrid' it actually means 'Arsenal'


His face after the assist in Melbourne suggested he was miserable but actually meant that he was ecstatic.

Poor lad, he's so misunderstood.

Nafder

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I loved the first line.
derryred

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To be fair to Suarez, lost amid all the hyperbole etc, it was a 92nd minute goal in a friendly against lower class opposition.
It's not exactly going to rank up near a 10 on the orgasmatron scale, is it?

The Juicer

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26 Jul 2013 14:37:22
Eds I'm just throwing this one into the mix has there been any interest in klas huntelaar? I know he might be at an age which might not interest the club but he would be a great addition a proven goal scorer and wouldn't break the bank for his services and he's known to want to play in the premier league fair enough toure has great experience for us at the back gerrard in midfield but no one really upfront would fowler have been as successful without rushies experience would Owen without fowler and so on? Huntelaar to work with some of are youth would in my opinion be priceless

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26 Jul 2013 14:37:16
Luis Muriel will sign on the 31st of July. Thank you eds.

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Who for?

MUSHROOM

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Ha! Thank YOU!

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Phew! I was getting concerned for a second there thinking he will never join!

The real AG

Work IP Ed052, like I explained yesterday {

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26 Jul 2013 14:35:34
suarez is supposed to want C/L football that's why he wants to go to arsenal, but what he does not realise is arsenal don't get very far in that competition, so it his loss, our gain would be a lot of money and new players in with that money, i'm not sure who we are going to get because there's no news coming out of Liverpool plus I can't see them doinfg any buisness while out of the country, so I will wait to see what happens when the squad returns home and then hope to see some activity in the transfer market, but I do like the look of bernard, I won't go through the many lists of players that get mentioned on here daily, but I do think we need a top quality C/B thanks for all your hard work and the effort you eds put into this site to make it the best site on the web

mickey b

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Better to be in it than not at all

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26 Jul 2013 14:31:44
Eds I have heard some people saying that Eriksen, turan and lamela may not suit our style do you think that this would be an issue with them or not.

Max

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26 Jul 2013 14:29:26
Hi reds

Just would like to hear your opinion on which players will be making headlines this season in the BPL.

From the new boys, I think
1. W Bony
2. S Mignolet
3. Aspas
4. Navas
5. Paulinho
6. Schurlle

looks good value to deliver the goods.

Overall
1. RVP
2. Bale
3. Coutinho
4. Fellaini
5. Suarez
6. Benteke

Hopefully if fit and plays in the BPL will be the ones to look out.

Personally I really like 2 signings and I think these are the real gems so far (still time left in this window).

Aspas and Paulinho

Have a great weekend.

YNWA-SA {Ed030's Note - Sorry mate,I don't understand you're question,If you mean which players I think will do well they are Coutinho,Bale,Rvp,Benteke,Paulinho,Dembele and Mata along with many others. }

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Hi ed030

Exactly that, who would do well, but Dembele.

YNWA-SA {Ed030's Note - I love Dembele,Magnificent player,Tottenham didn't look the same team without him last season. }

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I think from the national team witsel is better then dembele I no different league just want you opinion ed {Ed030's Note - Yes Witsel is probably the all round better player. }

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26 Jul 2013 14:26:49
Is it too childish to think that if Suarez does end up a gooner it would be absolutely superb if his first 50/50 v us was with Stevie G.Also I'm guessing Suarez won't be taking part in Gerrards testimonial next week as the fans reaction could detract from the occasion which is to celebrate a true loyal Liverpool legend.

Evel

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It's a little childish to think that, but then again Daniel Agger's elbow to Torres face was a beautiful sight the week after Torres left.

Carb

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26 Jul 2013 14:26:04
Hi Eds,

Love the sight! Absolutely addicted - great work guys!
Quick Question - I know Macca is reliable but his last post was that Suarez is defo leaving, which is a real shame if this is spot on? Also, if he is leaving who could replace him? Saldado is rubbish compared to Suarez and if we paid 20 odd mill for him I'd be majorly disappointed as would a lot of the other fans.

A Disgruntled Red.

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26 Jul 2013 14:25:38
Lets suppose Suarez goes for 50m - be that Aresenal of Madrid - or whoever

Then we have the issue that any player we try and buy will have their price upped by a few mill as all the clubs know we have got money burning a hole in our pocket and a real need to buy a player of two.

Then we will have to pay over the odds for the player - and these pages will be filled with anti Rogers and anit Ayre posts etc etc.

Whilst BR will identify who he wants to try and bring in it will be Ayre that has to negotiate.

Remember BR and all the other managers are football coaches - not astute business people that are competent at doing multi million pound deals.

There will be a lot riding on Ian Ayres shoulders over the coming weeks!

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26 Jul 2013 14:23:50
Daily express says that Real Madrid has pulled out of the hunt for Suarez. Not sure if it is true, but I would guess we lose a bit of bargaining power with Ars.

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They never wanted him that's why he is looking at any one else

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Madrid do want him, It's Carlo that does not.

Nevada

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26 Jul 2013 14:22:05
We are not the club we used to be, hence why Suarez wants out.
I go to the match, home and away I follow them everywhere so I like to think I talk sense.
Its embarrassing at times to hear some of the nonsense that some of our 'fans' come out with.
Id personally like to sell Suarez for £50m+ and go for Popadopolous, Eriksen and a forward who wants to come, maybe that Muriel? A complete new spine for the team.
I just get the impression we haven't got any money. Eriksen would be fantastic and yet we are arsing around and now its been said we have too many creative midfielders! Who? Gerrards past his best, Lucas is overrated and not creative, Allen is not a Liverpool player, Downing is useless. Weve got Coutinho. That's it.
Ian Ayre needs to get off this tour where he has no need to be and get back home and start negotiating for players.
I just know we have no money and its so frustrating.
I trust Brendan Rodgers and think he's doing a great job with what he's got.
We need to sell Suarez to buy.

Adam M

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A very good post I feel. We should be trying to get Eriksen - offer him chance to come and if he turns it down then move on

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Where would you play Eriksen if he is bought in?

Coutinho has to play through he middle and Eriksen won't be playing a deeper role or out wide, where he would be wasted.

The real AG

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Your talking quite a bit of sense here. But LFC are continuously in the top spenders in each transfer window, fair enough we do sell also so its not all outlay but we are not broke just because we don't spend it like its Monopoly money, cash is there for the right players at the right prices I genuinely belive this
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That's not true at all. Liverpool were going to pay about 20m for Mkihyrian (spelling) well before arsenal or anyone else asked about Suarez.

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Lucas over rated? Lucas is class. Allen I am hoping comes good as he probably didn't have the best of seasons.

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He would play in the front 4 swapping moving passing ect

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Chelsea manage to accomodate Mata, Oscar, Hazard. They seem to do OK. I think we could squeeze Eriksen into our team over Henderson, Coutinho and Eriksen can both will play central or left in the 3 behind Sturridge. don't see the problem with having more than one clever player up there. Of course some people wanted Sakho, Diame, Wanyama as you get 50 points if you win the away game at Stoke.

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Now Adam I respect you go home and away. I've done it too for many years and been to Europe too.

You are more than entitled to an opinion, but this is the new breed of mentality.

You have just run down all of our players. The same players who got to 2 Cup Finals the other year. Where everyone was up in arms when Carroll was on the bench for one of them. Then he is a 35m flop.

Everyone believes what the press write still. Stop being so negative and support the players you forgot to mention other than Coutinho. Sterling, Ibe, Agger, Wisdom and I could go on. All of them for FSG sake.

Just go to the game and enjoy yourself lad. If we win it's a bonus. If we don't you'd have a good day out with your pals cheering your head off, and as I keep saying if more of us have this mentality through rain or A Storm. Then you have more chance of achieving your dreams. The power of positivity is an amazing thing.

Alfie

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Thats why we have sturidge

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Thats why we have sturidge

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I can agree with this, I belive lucas is overrated yet still a good player and all3n will come good, although everything else is spot on. Ian ayre is an absolute person, can't believe he is tsill at liverpoool the hash of things last summer which cost us the whole season. He better getin gear and get us good plqyers and good deals or his soul will b exorcised by the Liverpool faithful.

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26 Jul 2013 14:14:39
I won't be dissapointed if we get Soldado in but my point is the best possible option for the club is not to

SIGN AN OUT AND OUT STRIKER like Soldado or YILmaz TO REPLACE SUAREZ INSTEAD GO FOR A CREATIVE VERSATILE ATTACKING PLAYER IN COUTINHO MOULD.

Not the best of ideas to splash 25M pounds on 28 year old Soldado. Some one like Lamela, Bernard, Muriel, Eriksen must be the ideal replacement for Suarez.


Sturridge has said he prefers the more central role. And if he can continue the form he had at the end of last season no doubt he can get 20-25 goals next season playing upfront.

Then we have Aspas and Borini. Aspas can be utilized on wide areas but he got most his goals last season playing as a central striker.

Fabio Borini, BR used him on wide areas last season couple of times primarily on left but proved very much in effective. His strength is his movement on and off the ball and getting into areas where he can snatch goals. But lacks clinical finishing in front of goal. Though if he stays I hope he gets his game up and improve his game, he sure can be a fox in the box like Chiharito or Owen type just need to improve vastly his finishing.

So we have three strikers who can play upfront in the central role that suits BR's style.

And people might wonder how we will be replacing 30 goals Suarez scored last year. Worry not if Sturridge can contniue his form he can get us 25 goals, and Aspas has enough to score 15 goals add to that Coutinho and hopefully Borini adding couple of goals. that's it!


What we need is another versatile attacking midfielder.


Bosco

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I agree, Bosco, and I can see some benefit in it being a speedy, burst past the forward line type as a mix up to Coutinho thus the interest in Henrik Mkrtchyan. As a side note, I hope Borini's finishing is nerves. He appears to snatch at it a bit. That being said I think it showed some possibility I hadnt seen before in the Melbourne game.

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Ah some sense on here, it is refreshing. I think Borini will impress this season like Hendo did last. He is an intelligent player and has the desire to do well.

Attacking midfielder is definitely the way to go. I guess people forget that Suarez was playing in the roaming spot when DS was on with him. Coutinho is versatile so I don't agree that he HAS to play any one position. So someone like Eriksen would work for me(who I think is an achievable target), but Bernard would be a dream.

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26 Jul 2013 14:12:40
Hi Ed's do u think we'll see an improvement to the starting 11 befor the stoke game? I no you've said we're trying to figure out the Suarez thing first but even if he stays we need a couple more quality players for the first 11. I wouldn't be confident atall going into the opening game with our current squad seen as Suarez an prob sturridge Wont be playing!

Cheers BC

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BR has already stated he is looking to add some more new faces before the season starts.

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26 Jul 2013 14:11:04
Lets hope this will happen, Suarez goes to Arsenal, 48-50m, they won't have too much to spend after that leaving the door open for us to bag bernard 23m and soldado 25m, Liverpool will be a stronger team if this happens

YnWA

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1. A rival will be stronger and get LS in his peak years.

If a talent like Suarez and others who have left a very unambitious LFC, what makes you think Bernard and Soldado will want to come here?

Arsenal have the financial clout to spend a lot more than the reported 70m they have, the stadium is now payed off and they have very little debt which means they can now compete for the best so they won't stop at Luis and another player, their Russian Billionaire is now the majority shareholder and he wants to ditch the policy of youth which FSG have taken up, its failed.

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Which FSG have taken up, it's failed.

Considering we have Rodolpho Borrell once of Barca who found and coached one or two half decent players I think we should stick with our Youth policy for a bit longer maybe.

Alfie

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To the first reply, please tell me how it has failed? They have managed to stay in the CL every year, while losing their best players and rarely breaking the bank to sign new ones. All this while paying off their stadium to put them in the financial situation currently. It is called transitioning, hopefully we will be in the same boat in 4-5 years.

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26 Jul 2013 14:06:20
If Suarez goes for £50m ish then I would reinvest it and add a bit more and go for Soldado and Muniain.

That would show serious intent and improve the first team.

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Much better options than Muniain on last seasons form. isn't mature enough to hack it in England right now.

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26 Jul 2013 14:03:05
Eds, has this new banter site been set up due to the sheer volume of posts? And in fairness there has been a huge decrease in quality posts, imo the amount of brainless whining has increased ten fold.

A suggestion would be to only allow posts from people registered and logged in, any anonymous posts to go directly to the other site? Writing a name without being logged in doesn't suffice either sure anyone can do that.

The real Ag {Ed030's Note - The new site is purely for banter,Ed's will not answer any questions on that site,Just for fans to post,I will pass it on. }

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You have just added to the so called "non quality" posts. What makes you think being registered would change anything?

People like you make me laugh you say people hide by not putting tags to their posts, but you are exactly the same as you only use a registered alias you muppet.

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Some people really need to get a friggin sense of humour.

It's like some fascist agenda. We'll have to produce our papers" next.
I wouldn't mind signing in, but it goes against everything the original site stood for. "Members" sites are two-a-penny and mostly boring because people would rather toe the party line than speak their mind.

Just enjoy the craziness, after all we are talking about a "game".

Zzzzz

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1st no name - that was my joke you person - you see I'd rather if you were signed in I'd know in future who exactly couldn't understand an obvious joke

2nd no name, it's not paying membership or anything. Also if people were just toeing the party line then yes they would become dull and boring and others would just point this out or whatever. There are loads of utd and everton fans posting anonymous rubbish amongst other rubbish.

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26 Jul 2013 13:56:08
Hi ED's
Can you help me to understand, are Arsenal really serious with their bid for Suarez, because it fly's in the face of their wage structure that helped bring them from the Highbury to the Emirates. I think the deal with Real is already done. Your views. {Ed030's Note - They are,I think a move to Madrid is far more likely. }

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Wrong Arsenal have now finished paying for their new stadium and their income has now vastly increased to a level where they can now compete for top players.

Their major shareholder is a Billionaire who always wanted Arsenal to compete but he wasn't able to convince the rest of the board that this was the way to compete with the best.

He is now in control and that's why you see Arsenal about to smash their transfer records and offer higher wages.

Sadly Lpool's world wide support find it difficult to buy any merchandise because the club has been mismanaged for decades, we are now slowly doing what should have been done 20 years ago.

Lpool until we redevelop Anfield and build a team that can bring CL football every year are falling further behind even the likes of Arsenal and Spurs which is laughable really. We desperately need to be able to compete with the other top clubs and despite doing a fine job FSG just haven't got the funds to do that.

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Dont know about you but offering £40m an a quid for a player in my eyes is pretty serious stuff

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To the un-named poster I totally agree.

Off the pitch we are at least 20 years behind a lot of clubs. Considering this we should be more than happy with the way things are on it. We can still compete.

This needs to be addressed much sooner rather than later. Redevelopment of the ground and surrounding areas is paramount. Just been round the Nou Camp and man they have things so right. Still only had 4 European Cups though.

Alfie

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26 Jul 2013 13:44:51
Hey Ed, any suggestions over potential Suarez replacements? We've been linked with Soldado but I was thinking Lamela, or is that unrealistic? {Ed030's Note -

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26 Jul 2013 13:43:29
Don't get me wrong there was a point in time that I would have defended Suarez regardless of what crime he committed on the field but if I was any of the Lfc players at present I would slap him every time I saw his rat face. I can't quite put into words how much I disrespect this degenerate now and really wish someone bids 50m so we can wash our hands of this racist, biting txrd.

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26 Jul 2013 15:16:09
So he is racist now? When he was loving life at LFC every one of us defended him to the hilt claiming that he's not racist and that it was unfair treatment by the FA! Turning around now is not only making us all look stupid, but also racist ourselves! Let's stick to the facts, we're annoyed with him because he wants to leave and he is disloyal, let's not start backtracking on what we all firmly believed before

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26 Jul 2013 15:40:58
Get over it mate it's a game. It's all about money and glory. Suarez wasn't and isn't a Liverpool supporter. I understand how he's going about leaving is ridiculous and that people put up with a lot for his antics but just realize that LFC will always be LFC regardless of who plays. You can't hate people for wanting to move on and everybody has their own goals and things they want to achieve, or else we'd all be the same bunch of robots.

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26 Jul 2013 13:41:33
lets get things straight. Suarez scored 23 goals in the league in 33 appearances yeah? Sturridge scored 10 goals in 14 appearances! If sturridge was to keep up this form in the coming season, then we have got our twenty goal a season striker! If Suarez stays then great, we have another 20 goal a season striker, if he does not then still great, 50m in the bag to improve our team overall! Also, aspas has gotten off to a bit of a flyer, 2 goals in 3 games! Perhaps he could turn out to be a bargain? never judge a player on their price tag and if you've heard of them before or not! Just look at Michu 2 million for a striker no one had heard of, 18 goals in his first season in the prem? chin up guys! we'll still have a strong team if suarez stays or not! YNWA

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Sturridge is a top player but you can't depend your entire season on Sturridge. On the contrary you can depend on Suarez.
Also Sturridge scored because in most goals he had the help of Suarez and vice versa. I think our attack was complete with both of them. But if one is missing we then again look weak.
The issue here is that Suarez is more reliable than Sturridge to carry you for years(if we just consider only football abilities).
There is no "chin up guys". If we lose Suarez, forget top 6. Only a blind cannot see that. And please don't bring up just 4 games to show that we can cope without Suarez as an excuse. It will make you look more ridiculous.

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tom1975

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Cannot believe anyone is calling Suarez reliable and dependable. The guy spends most of his time being banned from playing for being a lunatic. The sooner he is gone the sooner we can all focus on supporting the players that do want to play for LFC. Coutinho and Sturridge are going to smash it this season!

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Sturridge will have to have bad luck with injuries to miss more games than LS does by being banned. He's rewritten the book on PL bans. But we can rely on him? Jeez.

Kidder

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It was meant as ONLY by "football abilities", not considering his idiocy. He is a reliable player when he is on the pitch as he can destroy teams single handedly, teams you will not be winning otherwise. Sturridge is not a constant match winner. He is a team player mostly, excellent player, can be a match winner but not regularly.
We had Sturridge, Coutinho and Suarez last year. Did you see us winning any of the teams above us? Now imagine the same scenario WITHOUT Suarez. We also cannot depend on Coutinho as he is still young.
What a bunch of dreamers!

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26 Jul 2013 13:37:06
i can't see us spending 26 mill or so on a 28 yr old soldado

just can't see it, it doesn't make sense really

surely there are top class 22-24 yr old strikers just itching for the chance to become a superstar

tom1975

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Like who

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Agree with you mate!

I won't be dissapointed if we get Soldado in but my point is the best possible option for the club is not to

SIGN AN OUT AND OUT STRIKER like Soldado or YILmaz TO REPLACE SUAREZ INSTEAD GO FOR A CREATIVE VERSATILE ATTACKING PLAYER IN COUTINHO MOULD.

Not the best of ideas to splash 25M pounds on 28 year old Soldado. Some one like Lamela, Bernard, Muriel, Eriksen must be the ideal replacement for Suarez.


Bosco

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Or better still let's give Sturridge the leading role.

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Personally I d like niang from ac milan

bernard for one of the wide roles

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Sturridge will leadthe line undoubdetdly

its the trio behind him that isn't quite there

couti mhk aspas would have been great

as it is its

sterling/alberto couti aspas/downing

i think there are question marks over sterling alberto aspas and downing about whether they are actually good enough for a startng 11 spot in a top four side

we need more goals fromthat trio behind sturridge this season. I think this is why aspas was bought( I have high hopes for him)

a 15 goal a season am would be brilliant atthe moment

but I mnot overly keen on eriksen

tom1975

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Honestly if we sell suarez, we need to buy two matchwinners

tom1975

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One minute you say Aspas along with coutinho and Hm would have been great and then, a couple of lines later you don't think Aspas is good enough.

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26 Jul 2013 13:34:32
i m still concerned

sell our only world class player

and we are left with kids, an injury prone cf, and some foreigners who will need to settle

unless we spend on proven matchwinners we won't get near fourth this season

tom1975

yes yes coutinho is excellent but he s too young to have the wieght of a football club on his shoulders

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We'll leave you to worry while the rest of us continue to support the team, new players at el, even as this great club continue to progress and go from strength to strength

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I agree tom but hopefully this will be addressed by the end of the transfer window.

Jonny Spandex

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GERRARD, AGGER, STURRIDGE, LUCAS, We have a few good players mate!

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A few good players yes
but coutinho sturridge aside not very many matchwinners

and couti is too young for the weekly responsibilty and sturridge too injury prone

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Singred

what a knob!

you think concern means someone doesn't actualy support the side and the players borught in

tom1975

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'sell our only world class playerand we are left with kids, an injury prone cf, and some foreigners who will need to settle'

Read your own post again, tom, and you'll know where I'm coming from - you don't quite trust Rodgers and the new signings

Anyway, there is no disrespect to you otherwise the eds would not have published my post - you can be 'concerned' for as long as you wish. On the other hand, you calling me a 'knob'. tsk, tsk!

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26 Jul 2013 13:25:49
How's it going eds.
bit different. I'm thinking backing bale to stay, suarez to go, rooney to Chelsea and fabregas to utd. what does everyone think good bet?

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Think you might have 1 out of 4. Fabregas will stay at Barca, Bale will stay at Spurs, Rooney will not be allowed by MU to go to Chelsea - and who knows about Saurez - it appears RM have cooled on the idea, and no way Arsenal will up their bid. Ooops that could mean 0 out of 4.

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I reckon Real Madrid will turn to our number 7, when Bale signs a new contract with Spurs, that way we all win, so its 2 out of 4, not too bad .
redforever

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26 Jul 2013 13:24:45
Surely we have reached a point where we have to sell Suarez. If we convince him to stay for one more season we are in danger of having another final season Torres situation where they have obviously lost interest and know they will be on their way soon enough.
That said we can not sell Suarez to arsenal and seriously expect to finish above them. We should be attempting to broker a deal with Madrid or bayern Munich. Making a serious offer for Alonso or Demaria may bring away of getting Suarez out of the premier league and getting a class player or two in return.

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26 Jul 2013 13:13:12
Eds, Do you think real are still going to bid? {Ed030's Note - Yes. }

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What about now?

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 13:12:53
It appears at the moment that when Suarez leaves (he will) we have a considerable amount of interest in Roberto Soldado and Luis Muriel, two excellent yet very different styles, of players. Personally I wouldn't lose any sleep if we sold Suarez(to Arsenal even) and brought in both of these lads
What does everybody else think, maybe unrealistic and hopeful/wishful thinking but stranger things have happened and I believe with those two we might get top 4.

Kieran

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26 Jul 2013 14:22:36
Unrealistic and hopeful/wishful thinking - eds have already said hundreds of times that Muriel will have work permit issues. Ed02 expects Soldado to sign for spuds.

Any other (wishful thinking) names that you want to come up with, or you're too lazy to read the posts?

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Actually Muriel wouldn't have many problems gaining a work permit, time played at all relevant international levels over the last 2yrs is sufficient enough, Liverpool can also claim from the exceptional talent route to get him a work permit, and finally consideration is given to behaviour during his stay in the EU which has been fine.(processing time would be the only drawback and even at that it would be a week tops just like Bony at Swansea) Muriel would have no issues gaining a work permit for the UK, if he was to be transferred so unfortunately your argument is invalid.
we should attempt to sign him like for like replacement for Suarez, as for Soldado his age and the money involved may be a factor worth considering, Valencia want him sold before august 3rd for tax reasons hence they have been trying to generate interest in him, no doubting his quality thought.
have to say both would be ambitious but we'd have one of the most fearsome strike-forces in England and Europe if we were able to pull it off.
Sometimes wishful thinking can be more realistic than anyone could possibly imagine.

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26 Jul 2013 13:02:53
I really do not know what we are waiting for. Sell that moron, leave Arsenal deal with him. Use the money to buy Soldado and we have bagged ourselves a proven international goal scorer. It is a fairly straight forward decision to me under the circumstances.
The Gooch.

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Its a waiting game right now, just got to stay strong, that 50 mill bid will happen, then we can buy three top players who will help take our great team into top four .
redforever

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26 Jul 2013 13:00:47
BR has been quoted as saying ' marquee signings will be made' and we await with excitement.
IF, and it's a huge IF, Suarez leaves and no 'marquee signings' arrive then we are going to be in deep trouble, as far as Top4 is concerend. Sorry for stating the 'bleeding obvious' but from time to time I become concerend about how FSG forsee LFC's future. Surely they know that in EPL to prosper you must speculate as well as invest! It's a catch-22 situation of no big signings no big awards! What is happening to the hugely increased TV revenue (64M?). Our squad, with or without Suarez, looks thinner than our main rivals.
I believe this will be an extremely revealing season for all of us! Is BR good enough? Are FSG genuine winning owners or mere administrators? Are marquee signings on their way to show our intent to our rivals?
We all wish the best, I hope for the bes and wish BR the best of luck!
Enjoy the summer. YNWA

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I really wish the agree button's were put back on this page.

Jonny Spandex

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I agree saurez & Danny boy would not work either in the long term. brendons style works far better with a floating attacker ie Benard or muriel or somone of that style?

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26 Jul 2013 12:57:54
Hi eds,
If we were to lose Suarez who can you see us going for as a replacement?

And are Ayre and Rodgers just trying to get the price up? {Ed030's Note - I hope we would go for Soldado however I was discussing where he would fit in,We would need to move Sturridge out on the wing and I wouldn't like that to happen. }

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We can play two upfront

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We need to buy players for the system, not change the system for the players.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 11:31:47
Morning Ed's,
Is there or has there been any interest in Andriy Yarmolenko from Liverpool?

11 League goals and 7 assists last season.

Red Rum {Ed030's Note - Not from Liverpool. }

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26 Jul 2013 13:03:58
Lets be honest guys, Suarez does not want to be here. We could force him to stay, but then we will be in the same situation next summer, and he'll only have 2 years left on his contract by then. If we seriously have people lining up willing to pay over £40m for in my opinion, a £35m absolute maximum player, then squeeze the most we can out of them, and have a good laugh on the way to the bank. If he stays, I'll be a bit dissapointed. I don't like supporting players who don't want to be there, but I would do it anyway. Maybe Rodgers can improve his game. He has to play out wide though. If he plays through the middle again, we can kiss goodbye to European football once again. He just isn't a natural striker. Any fool can see that. Far too wasteful.

We should sell to the highest bidder, and get in a real team player. Quite frankly, I'm astonished at some of the assist figures people pull out of their ****. He got 5 in the league, and 6 in total some how people find 10, 11, 13 etc is beyond me. For a man who creates space so well, and has the ability to find those holes in the defence, 5 assists is damn near pathetic. He has the ability to be putting out 40 goals, and 20 assists a season, but he is just un-coachable. He'd rather try the hard shot, than pass it, or wait for a better opportunity. He panics in front of goal. My god its frustrating! A player who could be up there with the Falcao's of the world, yet he just doesn't learn; footballing and behavior wise.

He was involved directly in 36 goals across all competitions last season. that's a big figure, granted. But just by taking him out the team, and adding in Sturridge and Coutinho, you've improved the side by far. They are team players. Sturridge got 3 assists in about 1/3 of the game time. He has greedy moments, granted, but not to Suarez's level. If Suarez stays, he should play right forward, and we should all pray he can be coached into reaching his potential (can't believe I'm saying that about a 26 year old). He has the raw talent, but he's just a DF. If he goes, we realistically only need a player who can add 10 goals + 10 assists to play one of the wide roles (as the goals would be spread more throughout the team). I reckon we'd get that from Tom Ince or Dzuduszak tbh (and we have previous interest in them). If we get a mind blowing signing (Bernard etc.), great! But its a team game, that requires balance. And Suarez does not fit that criteria. Not because he's not good enough, but because he doesn't use his bloody head (except his mouth, he uses that alright!).

All we can do, is support whoever wears the shirt. I really couldn't care if Suarez went to Arsenal tbh. He will be put up front as the lone Striker, and waste 90% of there chances instead of ours. Suarez is a wide Forward. He played there for Ajax, he plays there for Uruguay etc. The only reason he played up front for us last season is because we had no other choice. We made him look better than he is, not the other way round. Wenger has lost the plot if he bids up to £50m. Madrid aren't thick, they see him for what he is. A good player, who needs fine tuning. Hence the seemingly low bids. We will do better next season with or without him though, so who cares? I'm fed up of having to try and calm down the doom mongers, and get people to se Suarez for what he is. A world class talent, with below average appliance of that talent.

From now on, if people want to say we'll be 10th/relegated without him, I'm just going to ignore you all. Because its quite frankly, boring.

You'll Never Walk Alone

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Adam, you're astonished? Well he got 11 assists in the league last season and 13 in total. I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your rant.

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Seriously did you watch any games last season? Agreed he is a greedy player but most strikers are, agreed he would be better used wide with DS central but assist wise who the hell did he have to pass to for most of the season? Once couti and DS were bought and they got some understanding his team play was good. Hate to defend him though due to his recent antics.

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26 Jul 2013 12:59:46
Is anyone else wondering why Rodgers keeps feeling the need to make public comments about Suarez?

Why the comments about Arsenal not being a big club, we will only accept 55 million, etc?

He will only look silly if Suarez leaves for Arsenal next week for 45 million. This following the needless Pepe Reina "Mignolet is competition" comments.

I wish FSG would tell him to put a sock in it. Concentrate on preparing the team for Stoke.

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Would you prefer BR to say Arsenal are bigger than Liverpool and we will accept £42m for him as we want rid?
And also to say Mignolet was bought to replace Reina as I don;t think he's good enough any more?
I thought not.

MUSHROOM

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Stop moaning about spilled milk.

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I bet you if RM doesn't come into the picture LS will stay.
I see where this is going. We are tough against Arsenal because we don't want to sell to a rival(only if they overpay) and this is how it should be.
I expect things to heat up in the end of August as RM will want LS to spend some of the PL games so that he won't miss 6 games with Real.

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Yes you do have a point about not saying too much in the public arena, but, BR dealt with the Pepe Reina move brilliantly, he has played his last game for us, has freed up huge wages for 2/3 more signings, and we have a younger, bigger, better, more motivated man in goal for us,
just watch BR sort out this Suarez transfer, and see who he brings in,
I am really chuffed to see us having a good pre-season, and even more younger players getting game time, Jordon Ibe will be world class before he is 21 yrs, and Sterling will have a great season too .
redforever

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I have no complaints about how we dealt with Reina. And I will have no complaints if sell Suarez to anyone for 45 million - even Arsenal.

I just wish there was less running of the mouth from Rodgers about it all. He needs to learn the art of talking to reporters without actually saying anything.

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26 Jul 2013 12:58:03
If its right that Osvaldo may go to Fulham maybe we should look to him

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Don't mention "Fulham-type players" on here again please!

The Juicer

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Juicer are you suggesting that if Fulham are looking at a player that automatically makes him not good enough for us?
This sort of arrogance is one of the reasons we're in the mess we are and I certainly didn't expect it from you as I usually like your posts.
Unless it was sarcasm in which case, lol

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26 Jul 2013 12:42:06
Inter Milan president Morratti " we tried to sign Paul Scholes he said only way I'd leave is if you buy the whole club and he didn't even have an agent"

Puts things into perspective their a certain little Uruguayan is concerned

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26 Jul 2013 12:40:43
IMO The top 3 next season will City Utd and Chelsea and we will be completing with TH and Arsenal for 4th. Agree Eds?

TH would be seriously weakened if they lost Bale. 50/50?

My Question to the EDS?

Do you think the club will sell Luis to Arsenal for 50 60 or 80m?

IMO its suicide and the worst possible team we could sell to. As all the clubs stand, we have a real opportunity of breaking back in to the top 4 and if we sell him there it would put us back another 3years.

Thoughts EDS?

Please

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26 Jul 2013 12:26:55
Have Bayern Munich shown any interest in LS or am I just clutching at straws because it looks like we'll end up selling him to a CL rival in our league.

Thanks

NCCRed

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26 Jul 2013 12:24:03
The way Suarez tries to get transfers through is the same each time, from Gronigan to Ajax to Liverpool and now gunners or Madrid. Liverpool need to grab him and shake him. I bet if we splashed out on soldado and another world class player he would want to stay?

br keeps going on about building to get top 4 but if he goes to the gunners we will never get top 4.

Am I right eds?

Red said fred

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(absolute silence)

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Singred, do u just go around looking for posts to give a smart answer to?

Jak

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26 Jul 2013 12:20:03
Hello everyone,

With the recent comments from ian ayre stating suarez is not for sale in the past hour, arsenals second bid quite a few million under what Liverpool value suarez and real madrid more interested in bringing through talented youth players. I believe there's a chance suarez could still be a Liverpool player for the next year.

Whats your opinion on this eds?
Cheers. {Ed030's Note - I think he has burned his bridges now. }

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26 Jul 2013 12:16:41
Am I the only person who feels sorry for LS. I think we all need to understand that there is a different culture in Uruguay, this is the way they go about their business. The people around him probably haven't explained to him that Arsenal is in England and he will still be subject to the English media, all probably lost in translation and was a mis-representation of what he has previously said because nobody else in the world speaks spanish correctly. Anyway my point is, it isn't his fault leave him alone :)

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Jog on, how the hell can you feel sorry for someone whos paid more in a week than pretty much most in 5 years to kick a ball around and act like a spoiled brat.

Yes you are the only one, pilock!

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Yes you are probably the only one OP.

The real AG

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Pretty sure he's joking Big Al T lol

Swallybean

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This is irony

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Missed the sarcasm?

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26 Jul 2013 12:14:18
Hey ed's
I don't mean to pester you with questions about random names but it seems that we are looking at a player to play the attacking midfielder role and having missed out on Mkhitaryan and there being competition with AC Milan for Erikson that we may look elsewhere, possibly to a name that has not been mentioned so commonly.

So I was just wondering if anything has developed from our brief reported interest in Clement Grenier a few weeks back? He's a class, young midfielder and would offer a different alternative to Erikson.

Cheers guys {Ed030's Note - No interest in Grenier from Liverpool,Arsenal did take a look but I think he got deemed to expensive. }

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26 Jul 2013 12:11:49
Cheers Macca. You're right in that it won't come as a surprise to anyone. Do you have any idea of the sort of price realistically we will sell Suarez at. Are Arsenal the only serious contenders and do you which players the club is targeting as reinforcements.

YNWA

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26 Jul 2013 12:20:53
Sell Suarez for £45-50m that is obvious to all he wants to go and fair play we cannot offer him CL football and next year the value of a 28 yr striker will go down by £10-15m

Go out and buy Muriel for £18-22m. And get Jackson Martinez for £25-28m before Napoli (Rafa) gets his hands on him

Simple on paper

Leam Red

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Would love this!

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You make it sound so simple.

Jensen.

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26 Jul 2013 12:11:38
What is going on at our club, signing players on the cheap like Aspas and Alberto will not take us forward, then adding a has been like Toure on a free, signing Mignolet and then shipping out Reina for financial reasons, so far, after sales we have invested nothing in this transfer window and it looking more likely everyday that it will stay that way. That's demoralising enough, except it ain't finished yet. Oh yes, there's more, because we can now add that we are about to become Arsenal's feeder club, who are themselves just feeder club for the Manchester teams. And just to be sure injury and insult are in face slapping agreement we now go with a begging bowl to queue in front of Stamford Bridge to vie with Palace for the privilege of loaning and developing Piazon for a year. Maybe I'm been overly negative, and if Piazon choses us over Palace, Liverpool have really pulled a masterstroke and got Suarez's replacement already sorted.

Hill

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Trying to wind people up? I cannot take that post seriously as it is full of nonsense.
GOD

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Lucas piazon is a good player but he s not ready to fill suarez s boots just yet

wouldnt mind seeing us sign him for 8 million or so though


aspas is a slight improvment on downing
mignolet a slight improvement on reina
toure a fairly decent replacement for carragher
alberto better than jonjo . I dunno

losing suarez

all in all so far we are slightly stronger than when the season ended but will be vastly weaker when suarez is sold. I hope brendan has a few aces up his sleeve

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Hey man. you are 10000000000% right
the club are stalling. they did that last summer after the quick initial buys.

there won't be any more signings. and the only thing that has improved is the fitness of the current players like allen. and a better player in sterling and ibe. that's it
no significant improvements have been made

tony

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If you aren't sure if you are being overly negative or not, I would hate to meet you on a bad day! For starters, you havn't seen Alberto or Aspas play a single proper match for us! Not sure about anyone else, but I was looking forward to watching Aspas the most, but I think that Alberto has got something about him. Not so sure about his strength in defence (only because ore season hasn't been able to push him there yet), but he looks like he has got great balance, confidence in possession, and he can pick a pass and has a great shot on him. Maybe it was because I had low expectations, but he looks like he could be a great buy. Allen is coming back to form from what I have seen, we have a tricky fluid attack, and Toure is a good addition. Not to mention the impending arrival of Ibe, which I am also looking forward to, and am hopeful of Sterling pushing on further. There is a lot to look forward to as far as I'm concerned, with a few new faces looking likely. With only the one game a week (apart from Cup games) we should be bang at them every match. Personally, I can't wait for the new season, even more than usual. I would even be happy if we didn't get anyone else in, so any additions would just be a nice bonus. Just my opinion.

Nick

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Hill

Your post gave me a chuckle - funny because it's true!

Further, re Suarez, and the club's stance, and possibly more so when Ian Ayre reiterates - we have no intention of selling Suarez . yeah until push comes to shove and Suarez hands in a transfer request and then the club's stance will be - we can't really keep hold of an unhappy player . you can fool some people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time!

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I think some people need to reassess the word fan and what it means.

Also I think people should also look at what Dortmund have done and how they operate as a club and realise we are striving to achieve the same. Do people also forget we are lucky to have a club in a healthy financial state and that we nearly did a Rangers?

Yes I want to see us in the champions league and challenging for the title but i'd rather see us do it the correct way and build something for years or would you rather see us be like Chelsea and never promote any youth players?we don't have that kind of money.

Getting sick of negative bulls**t from people only being fans when we are winning. I think we will go forward under Rodgers and will build in the right way to challenge for years to come.Or would people rather it just be one season?

PK

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Sometimes you need to remember Liverpool legends such as Rush, Aldridge, Keegan, Toshack and many more were all unknowns when they signed for us. it is almost the Liverpool way to pluck someone from obscurity and make them brilliant.

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Bang on PK. We almost imploded afte the two persons left our beloved club up s%#t creek without a paddle. FSG have stabilised the club vastly improved outside investment and have a plan and policy. I would love us to win the title and feel that if any player deserves to hold aloft the trophy it's Stevie G but we have to make sure the club doesn't go under. BR has done great since he started considering all and am looking forward to the new season regardless of more buys or not. For me Toure was a great buy, Apas looking tidy, we have a whole season with couti, DS scores goals, Allen is back from injury and should be better, Lucas has finally got a pre season under his belt, feel Borini will improve this season. Ibe and Sterling look to have pushed on. Progress is what we need and as always the Anfield faithful to spur then on YNWA.

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26 Jul 2013 12:54:07
The law of 3 =1

Make out 3 clubs are interested then realise theirs only actually 1 who by the way I'm not that interested in going to but have made that big a t#t of myself that I'm only left with a smaller club who I'd never thought of going to in the first place!!

Lyndon

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Seems about right, think Arsenal were the all else fails destination.

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I feel if RM don't make a successful bid for Bale this week, they'd make one for Suarez for sure.

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26 Jul 2013 12:53:30
Afternoon Eds, Do you know what's happening with Aly Cissokho, he was suppose to be joining this week on loan with a view to a permanent deal in the summer but its gone a bit quiet, just wondering weather it will stil happen as Robinson will most likely leave on loan possible to Forest.

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26 Jul 2013 12:47:49
I can't help but feel we are in the middle of a poker game and Suarez is the ante.

Rodgers he is a required player and we are not selling.

Ancelloti says we do not need him.

Translation - Liverpool will definitely sell for 50m, Real Madrid have no intentions of paying that sort of money for someone who is a split second from being banned from football every time he has a brain fade!

Oh and Arsenal is the player at the card table that has no chance of winning the hand, regardless of what is dealt on the flop!

May the games continue.

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As you know poker is a 5 card game its not the flop you worry about its the river that kills you - and who knows arsenal could be checking until the river

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Arsenal is raising, not checking. It seems they are bluffing and Liverpool is calling their bluff all the way. Also RM is calling probably will fold or reraise on the river.

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I agree graf2966, if Real don't come in with anything reasonable, we may take the 40m+ from Arsenal. We really need a third or fourth in to make it really interesting (Bayern?). I still feel it will be Madrid. I was told something along those lines a few months back from who I believe to be a good source. It is only going to get more silly from here.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 12:45:46
SO Sevilla have secured the deal of Germio from PSG. and they got in 3 Installment.
3 mill Euro, 3 next year and 2.5 in 2015.
Thats a top deal, shame we never went for him. would have been miles better than Borini {Ed030's Note - Borini hasn't had a fair chance,His Liverpool career has been plagued by injuries,That is fickle support. }

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Always on Borinis back, how much have you actually seen him play?

Or have you only seen him in a Liverpool shirt (hardly ever)?

Did you hate on Lucas too?Do you love him now?

PK

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26 Jul 2013 11:31:48
just a quick point for those who think we are doomed without suarez, we all have to remember that we couldn't get fourth place with him in the team so if we can get 50 million to improve the team then surely we have a better chance of getting in the top four, I for one think we actually play more fluent football with him not in the team as we tend to keep the ball better and have a more controlled build up, I think sturridge is underrated by some as his pace makes defenders drop deep which gives us more room and space to create openings. I think we really are close to having an excellent team and I think rogers knows who fits in and who doesn't, also if suarez stays it means sturridge will play out wide which i.m.o is not his best position, I maybe wrong but I think we will see a big improvement in the team performances this year

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26 Jul 2013 12:40:31
Sell Suarez and buy Soldado. he is undoudtable one of the very best strikers in spain .30m can be a really gud deal. what ya think fellow reds?

#Tahmid Red

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Agree with you on Soldado being a great player, questionable whether he is worth the 30 mil euros being stated and where he will fit in with DS.

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26 Jul 2013 12:33:29
The moment Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand, I thought he was bringing the down the name of a proud club.

His brain fade on biting Ivanovic is just ridiculous to consider defending.

If he was sold to Real Madrid, I could still fight within myself to find a modicum of respect for the lad who has undeniable football talent.

Should he force a move to a rival club after his posturing about media vilification, then his name will be mud forever.

Keeping him against his will only serve to tarnish the club's name again in some act of stupidity.

Take the 50m (as long as it is not a rival premier league club) and spend it wisely this time.

Get a proven goal scorer. Speculative 8-10m buying is not for a striker we need to lead the line.

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Take the £50m? what £50? there's only been one team bidding and that's Arsenal at £40m, so its not that simple. I don't think Arsenal will up their bid to £50m, so the most we can hope for is a slight increase? Real Madrid will not pay that much, if they even bid at all!

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I don't think biting Ivanovic was a brain fade. I think it was a deliberate, synical ploy, to engineer a move out of Liverpool.
Do we really want players like that at this Great Club?

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"The moment Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand"

Did you even watch the video clips of the event? It's clear that Evra hesitated and withdrew his hand so Suarez just walked on. You been brainwashed mate.

Jonny Spandex {Ed030's Note - This is getting ridiculous,He rufused to shake his hand whatever way you look at it. }

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I think your spandex are too tight Jonny and cutting of the blood supply to your brain.

MUSHROOM

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Come off it Ed, what's the guy supposed to do just grab his hand and shake it after Evra pulled away?

As for the other guy, you must of been on mushrooms if you didn't see it.

Jonny Spandex. {Ed030's Note - Suarez pulled away,Evra clearly wanted to shake his hand,That's why he tried to grab his hand afterwards. }

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25 Jul 2013 16:37:23
hey eds are voting polls going to be added to the website like on Arsenals page?

Jak

{Ed033's Note - There were liverpool voting polls up before any of our other sites Liverpool Voting Polls

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24 Jul 2013 20:14:52
Edds or who ever runs the site. when are you developing an App?? I for one would be all over it like a rash. Your site is so addictive, especially during the transfer window. I genuinely think you would have millions of downloads.

{Ed033's Note - I think we'll be looking into this

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Can you add a 'search function ' for the app then we can stop repeat questions being asked.

Thanks

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26 Jul 2013 12:08:26
Ian Ayre:
"We have no intention of selling Suarez"
Simply, does this make Ian Ayre a liar?

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Lets wait an see chris eh?

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No. he's just trying to get as much money for him as possible. I don't blame him!

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Wouldn't you say it is just positioning, Chris? Is it true? I doubt it. But how do you think it is best played out? I am not saying that I like it or condone it, just that it is a very complicated game and it is about playing the hand you have and the others against each other to your best advantage.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 13:22:32
Chris,

I think that there are a number of reports of Ian Ayre's precise words used. The one I have seen is - "It's never been our intention to sell Luis. We've received two separate offers from Arsenal and rejected both"

I actually think Ian Ayre could possibly have been very clever with his words here, i.e It's never been our intention to sell Luis. but it is Suarez's intention to leave so Liverpool will expect him to put in the formal transfer request that will see him give up some contractual payments.

I think this stand off is potentially all about how much Luis Suarez makes out of the transfer.

To answer your question, I don't think Ian Ayre is lying.

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I think so, but I also understand he is trying to protect the transfer fee from dropping which it would if they said he is free to leave.

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Understand it in its meaning, yes we have no intention of selling but if our value of a player is matched, then we have to look at it. RedTurk

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No Chris, it doesn't. For two reasons:
1. We haven't sold him.
2. He has said 'no intention', as opposed to 'definitely, no matter what, even if the Almighty put in a bid of £14 billion (+ £1) for the Heaven XI'

Redjinal

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It makes him a politician Chris.

MUSHROOM

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Don't kid yourselves lads, Liverpool have EVERY intention of selling Suarez.
Does this make Ayre a liar?
Of course it does
Does this make Ayre a bad person?
No it doesn't, it's just an example of how football has become. There are absolutely no morals left in the "sport" (I use the term loosely)

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26 Jul 2013 11:30:42
Hi eds is it true roberto soldado is a Liverpool target and what are the chances of getting him with no cl football.cheers {Ed030's Note - Been answered many times. }

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26 Jul 2013 11:29:28
Any truth in the rumour saying we put in a bid for Soldado? {Ed030's Note - We would need to declare an interest first. }

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Don't know about this Ed a couple of Journos from Spain saying we bid 22M Euros and it was rejected while Spurs bid 25M Euros (inculding add-ons) and it was rejected too. {Ed030's Note - As of yesterday Liverpool had not declared an interest. }

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26 Jul 2013 11:29:23
Eds and reds,
Now that Liverpool is accepting Luis Suarez will leave if we get big money for his departure, could we be looking to buy Iker Muniain from Atletico Bilbao? {Ed030's Note - Munian was available at the right price,I am not sure on his current availability now. }

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26 Jul 2013 11:46:46
Good morning eds and reds. A quick question for Ed02 not Liverpool related but just curious. Real Madrid have spent hundreds of millions over the past few seasons on players alone, with no real success. What is their source/sources of income? And are they not running at a loss? {Ed002's Note - Obviously they have a very significant income from sponsorship, match day, TV etc., but they have also build considerable debt and have been given a few tax breaks, and sold off some assets. Their income is actually higher than Barcelona, MU etc..}

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It is called state aid. When Florentino Perez promised that he would sign Figo if elected no one believed the club would have the finances to do so. Little did they know that he had struck a deal with the local authority to sell them their training ground for £300m (way above its true value) in return for which the local authority also gave them a very similar piece of land for zilch. They also have a very large overdraft with the bank Caja Madrid, which Caja Madrid will never call in together with the most skewered of TV deals where they and Barca get the lion’s share. Helping them attract players has also been the special 25% tax for footballers (known as the beckham’s law) which politicians agreed to introduce to help them, With the big financial difficulties in Spain this law has now been rescinded. Reality Red

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26 Jul 2013 12:16:20
yes. Exaclty. Its becoz untill a couple of seasons back Europeon soccer was Madrid and Barca. Now you can include Bayern in the List
Look ath their fan base, Their TV Revenue, Sposnosers are running behind these clubs.

Perez, and his players can blabber anything, anywhere,, anytime. no one,, would dare to questin them.
I remember how Fabrigas was turned publically by the whole bunch of Barca players.
No actions.

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26 Jul 2013 19:19:53
A few tax breaks Ed02?
Do they still own a lot of land or has it all been sold off now?

MUSHROOM {Ed002's Note - You might do better to take ths to the Real Madrid page.}

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26 Jul 2013 11:37:58
First to say that I would have loved us to keep Suarez based on form of last season.
But all of the interviews and IMO the lack of respect he has shown LFC we need to get rid of him and quickly. What we do not need is another Torres situation and him move on in last hours of the window. This brings me on to the crux on my point.
We are in Limbo. If we are interested in Soldado (which based on age and price I am not sure we are) then we will lose him because of the carry on with LS. We should put a time i.e. Monday 5pm and if Arsenal have not matched value we place on him then under no circs will he be sold. And stick to it. We are missing him for first 6 games anyhow.
We need to be firm and not be pushed around.

If we continue in this limbo then we will miss on any targets and end up in a Carroll situation

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Being firm may leave us in limbo, so which is it?

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 12:02:52
Ig Arsenal want suarez they can have him. for£25m + wallcott

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They can not!

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So 25 mill for walcott, then. would be even worse then the carrol purchase.

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That values Suarez at 35 million then!!

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26 Jul 2013 12:19:51
whats walcott valued?. 25 mill?

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Haha good one I don't want him. I'd take fifty and Walcott.

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Walcott is terrible

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40m & walcott would be nearer

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26 Jul 2013 11:55:53
What's the chances of selling suarez and signing no one?

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Incredibly slim, unless BR sees Ibe as a guaranteed starter.

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A very very good chance, this was my question yesterday an my fear.

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26 Jul 2013 11:19:40
Never seem to get posted on this site any more. Something I said?

I have some questions for the Eds:

1) If Reina leaves (likely), will Liverpool sign another keeper?

2) If Suarez goes for 50m, who are realistic replacements? I just can't think of any.

Thanks

Oms {Ed002's Note - (1) Yes, Mignolet. (2) I can tell you when I am aware of interest from Liverpool in a player but don't want to get tied up in any discussions about who might be "realistic" or not.}

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26 Jul 2013 11:13:23
My two pence worth.

The biggest issue I see with us fans seems to be the way that we view LFC and the way that a player views LFC. To us fans it is a dream, the ultimate, watching LFC is the reason for the weekend. To the majority of players it is work. It is their job.
Lets be honest, we were/are just a stepping stone for Suarez. How many of us would turn down a job with a different company offering more money and greater promotion prospects through loyalty to a company you've only been with a few years.
And let's not forget, a lack of loyalty goes both ways. Look what happened with Andy Carroll. He was shoved out of the door without any remorse. The club didn't want him and that was it.
The only thing I can say is that if Suarez had come out and said 'LFC is a fantastic club with the best supporters in the world, but unfortunately at this stage in my career I really need to be competing for every trophy possible, so regrettably I feel it necessary to move onto pastures new'. I don't think the majority of supporters would have begrudged him that. What stinks is the way he's gone about things with the club that we all love.
Last year I was having a discussion with a few Swansea supporter friends of mine and I said that they couldn't really blame BR for joining LFC, and they answered 'ok, so why do you hate Torres so much then'. True, and the only reason I could justify my hypocritism (if that's a word) was purely down to the feeling I have towards LFC.
So whilst I'll never support Suarez again in the way that I have to date, maybe we should just accept that these players (barring a very few) will never feel the same towards LFC as we do, thank them for their services and send them on their way.


Tommy Walsh

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Oh my goodness, what a brilliant post that is.

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Suarez is just a liar and an ungrateful schmuck, if not for Liverpool his stay in england would have been more miserable.we defended his biting, diving and his alleged racist behaviour without even thinking of the consequences all the club cared about was PROTECT SUAREZ

He says the english press treat him like dirt and he wants to move abroad that's fine by me but to now be interested in a move to arsenal is madness and you're saying we should just sell him cos??

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I hate Torres for how he behaved which basically forced his way to Chelsea, I will hate suarez for the same reasons, his behaviour has been a disgrace

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Excellent post bravo mate
JJ

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26 Jul 2013 12:11:25
This is argubly the best post in a week.

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26 Jul 2013 12:12:54
Exactly, we should also be aware that If its suarez today, then we might Another next year.
Players have just 5-8 good years to acheive in their life. But a fan can patiently wait all his life.

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I don't blame players for moving on. It makes sense. Especially as we are not as prosperous as we once were.
Just the manner in which FT and LS went about their business. It is quite literally spitting in our faces after the support from the fans and the club.
The most annoying fans are the ones who think we are deliberately selling him, because we want him off our books, and blame the owners for lack of ambition. Madness.
Daveyliver

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Great post Tommy, very true

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Great post! I agree completely, the problem is that LS said he was sick of the ENGLISH press not wanting CL football and FT just threw the towel in until he got his move. I think LFC have the most loyal fans around, they just expect a little back and for you to put a shift in.

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26 Jul 2013 10:46:15
My two pence worth.

The biggest issue I see with us fans seems to be the way that we view LFC and the way that a player views LFC. To us fans it is a dream, the ultimate, watching LFC is the reason for the weekend. To the majority of players it is work. It is their job.
Lets be honest, we were/are just a stepping stone for Suarez. How many of us would turn down a job with a different company offering more money and greater promotion prospects through loyalty to a company you've only been with a few years.
And let's not forget, a lack of loyalty goes both ways. Look what happened with Andy Carroll. He was shoved out of the door without any remorse. The club didn't want him and that was it.
The only thing I can say is that if Suarez had come out and said 'LFC is a fantastic club with the best supporters in the world, but unfortunately at this stage in my career I really need to be competing for every trophy possible, so regrettably I feel it necessary to move onto pastures new'. I don't think the majority of supporters would have begrudged him that. What stinks is the way he's gone about things with the club that we all love.
Last year I was having a discussion with a few Swansea supporter friends of mine and I said that they couldn't really blame BR for joining LFC, and they answered 'ok, so why do you hate Torres so much then'. True, and the only reason I could justify my hypocritism (if that's a word) was purely down to the feeling I have towards LFC.
So whilst I'll never support Suarez again in the way that I have to date, maybe we should just accept that these players (barring a very few) will never feel the same towards LFC as we do, thank them for their services and send them on their way.


Tommy Walsh

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Well said Tommy!

Its very much frustration that just when we feel we are building a team to compete a key player wants to leave.

But onto the next LFC star player.

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That's 4 pence now Tommy!

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26 Jul 2013 10:44:40
Eds more saldardo rumours this morning but spuds men are in spain trying ti finalise the deal? Do u think these rumours are way off track or could there be some truth in them? {Ed002's Note - It is what was explained a couple of days ago.}

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26 Jul 2013 10:22:25
HOW LIVERPOOL WILL GET TOP 4:

Liverpool will get top 4 if the following happenings occur this summer.

- Real Madrid buy Gareth Bale
Why? A top 4 contender will lose their key player and Madrid will lose their interest in Suarez

- Arsenal mess up this window by not signing players in positions that need strengthening (I doubt Liverpool will let Suarez go to arsenal)

- Liverpool sign at least two more players, a winger and a CB

-Manchester United don't have a great window and lose out to be title contenders because at a push, we can stand up to them and perhaps finish third, or even make them lose their top 4 spot

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And then you woke up.

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No, he's right.

Anonymous woolback

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We will not finish with 20 points of Man Utd

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Oh, no he's not.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 14:05:48
If Liverpool do not sell Suarez, we will not sign anymore forwards. what's the point? We'd have:

Sturridge, Aspas, Coutinho, Suarez
as our first choice forward line, with Downing, Sterling, Ibe, Alberto, Henderson, Texeira, Borini and Yesil all for back up. Maybe even Assaidi as well. He still hasn't been sold.

I'd rather sell Suarez and buy a wide forward who isn't quite as greedy, but if he does stay, I'd support him, and hope Rodgers can stamp the greed, violance, wastefullness and 'me me me' out of his game.

As our squad stands RIGHT now, we only need a left back to compete with Enrique. A centre back would be signed to replace any of Coates, Agger or Skrtel should they leave. A forward would be signed to repalce either Suarez and Downing should they leave. You may see another midfeilder added to the squad (Jorginho is a clear target). But if Suarez stays, why sign a winger? You'd just be pushing Sterling and Ibe out the door.

Our squad literally lacks a left back, and maybe one more versatile midfielder. Any other signings will be replacements for sales. I expect Cissohko and Jorginho are most likely. Ilori for Coates, and if/when Suarez goes

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26 Jul 2013 10:17:05
Hey eds,
are we looking at Soldado as a Suarez replacement?
I know he's a quality player but he's 28 and doesn't really fit in with what brendan has been doing so far,
Just wondering if you know of anyone else we could possibly target to replace Suarez?

Thanks for all the great work {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

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26 Jul 2013 10:11:45
Morning all!
After watching Wednesdays fixture I felt prouder than ever to be a Red but Suarez's attitude when he came on soon put a stop to that. I now can't wait for him to leave so we can move forward with finding a replacement.
I've just seen that Higuain is having a medical at Napoli, is this the beginning of the transfer roundabout. GH to Napoli, LS to Madrid and Soldado to Liverpool?
Thoughts anyone?

Brixfranko

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Madrid aren't daft, they know what comes with Suarez and also know they have players who are better than him. They don't need him mate. There are reasons why they haven't bid yet mate, reason 1 is they have deal in place with him and his representatives which is HIGHLY unlikely, reason 2 is they simply aren't interested. If they truly wanted him they wouldn't let AFC bid like this without showing SOME kind of interest would they?

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I dislike suarez right now, but with his talent he could get us 20 goals when unhappy and still in the team

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26 Jul 2013 12:21:33
To the second poster.
apart from Ozil who plays in the center and ronaldo.ther isn't any better players at Madrid?
whom are u refering to?
benzema? dimaria? who else?
suarez would walk into the team with ease.

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26 Jul 2013 10:08:59
With the absolute mess that is the "Luis Suarez transfer saga", what is the probability of this ending up with Suarez and his team taking LFC to court to resolve this matter? As far as I can see, both parties are heading towards an inevitable impasse in relation to the clause. Suarez's agent and he believes that Suarez can move for £40m + £1 and we believe otherwise.

Do you think this will end up in the courts to be resolved? To be honest, I find it unbelievable that either side would allow such a wishy-washy clause to have ever been inserted. It serves, from my perspective, no purpose.

Ash {Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation and the actual issue underneath it. All of the events of this week were effectively pre-determined with only Rodgers rising to the bait over it. You were told 10 days ago.}

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This isn't the first time Suarez has taken a club to court.

MUSHROOM

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The transfer window would be closed by time it got to court.
Suarez sits out the rest of the ban We win all 6 games he can't get in the side and sits on the bench until January window!!

The stuff of dreams and just desserts!!

Lyndon

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And his value plummets!
Well done Lyndon.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 10:08:46
". If cheslea ever come in for suarez. then we should bang all the press who highlighted the Bite incident.
Ivanovic got over long back. the press are still behind it.? {Ed002's Note - You wouldn't need to whine about it like a little girl if the DF didn't to it. If you wish to bleat at someone, it is Suarez.}

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26 Jul 2013 10:04:42
I read somewhere that if we sell Suarez we should go for Soldado of Valencia.

Personally I would prefer Jackson Martinez of Porto. Okay we will have to pay more for Martinez rthan for Soldado but therefore Jackson Martinez is also 3 years younger that Soldado.

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26 Jul 2013 10:02:19
There is a really interesting article written by Sam Drury on the tv website that talks about our style of play, the patient passing game that BR wants us to play and how Luis doesn't really fit into this. For all those currently depressed by the prospect of Luis leaving, have a read and cheer yourselves up. It all makes a lot of sense and echoes what Ed 52 has been saying all week, that any new players need to be "for the system" rather than an out and out replacement for Luis. Bring on death by football for the new season!

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It's a very good article and is actually true, Suarez as good as he is, is all about himself he likes to dribble and run at players and should pass more especially when his team mates are and better positions but his natural instinct is to attack and go for goal. When he is sold the players we bring in will be for our system, i'm not saying he will join but Eriksen is perfect for our system as are a very few that have been mentioned on here, I expect Rodgers to sign someone nobody is expecting.

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26 Jul 2013 09:57:13
Hi ed's just a quick question regarding the Suarez situation.
If Arsenal sign him will they need to licence him under the dangerous dogs act?
Vicsious, disloyal, disobediant, healthy pair of gnashers and a taste for human flesh - surely they will at least be expected to keep him on a short lead and muzzle him in public!
Keep up the good work ed's.

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And he sh**s on his own doorstep too

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26 Jul 2013 09:28:45
eds what's actually going on with suarez? Does rodgers really want to keep him? It seems as if were not going to let him go! {Ed023's Note - He isn't going to state in the press that he is free to leave, that would really bring down any fee we hope to get.}

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But there seems to be a drive by Rodgers and the players to keep him.

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The quicker we get him off the books the better, preferably to RM. I imagine he’s taking up a lot of resources in trying to get this mess sorted which could be better used in trying to find new players to move us forward.

Thanks
Dave.J

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Eds do you expect real to make their move now bale will sign a new deal. {Ed023's Note - Yes I do. I feel he is using Arsenal to get his 'dream' move. It will be an interesting finale IMO}

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26 Jul 2013 09:28:37
Hello Eds,
Just saw this link.
Liverpool have contacted Bologna for french-algerian wonderboy mid Taider, according to Sky Italy. Also Bayern Munich and Inter contacted.
Any truth in this?

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26 Jul 2013 09:24:03
eds u earlier declared that Liverpool have not declared an interest in soldado though peter phillips highly reliable and graham hunter of tv said we had a bid of 19.7 million rejected 3 nights ago {Ed023's Note - I remain hopeful that these guys are right but right now I rate the chances as slim}

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I think Saldado is a waste of £20 mill for a 28 year old. Get Ba for £8m and we have cover for the year. let's buy a cracking left winger, a cam (with goals in them) and a decent CB. Bobs your uncle, fannies your Aunt, Bish bash bosh we'll get 5th.

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26 Jul 2013 09:11:50
Hello Eds,
1. any news on players moving out?
i.e any interest in the likes of Spearing, Downing, Assaidi, Pacheco, Coates and Flanagan?
I would be 50 % satisfied with the window if we manage to move on these players.

2. Any indications of an improved bid from Arsenal?
I would be happy to sell for around 45M pounds but if we do manage to get 50M well done to Ayre and his team. {Ed023's Note - I believe and this is my own opinion is that we will get 50 million for him. All those players would be allowed to move if a suitable offer came in but I expect Downing to stay put}

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Do you expect Downing to stay because no one has put a bid in for him, or because Liverpool rate him as a squad player?

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Has the West Ham interest in Downing cooled off ed?
I really think we should let him leave even if its for 6-7 million.
Ed052 really seems to like him and I respect his opinion but I just don't feel he adds anything to the attack. His best ability is crossing (that too not that good) and in our play we rarely seem to put in crosses and rather need a winger who can score 8-10 PL goals a season. {Ed052's Note - I don't really like him. BYG he tries and is a decent squad option. For the little money we'd get for him I don't see the point selling}

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26 Jul 2013 07:29:31
Hey eds

Any news on Yesil? Perhaps being brought into the 1st team squad this year? loan? Is he considered good enough? {Ed023's Note - As far as I know he is still recovering from injury, he won't be rushed}

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26 Jul 2013 08:45:13
Eds, who do you think is the better player and who do you think would (in an ideal world) do better for LFC, Muriel or Lamela? Thanks {Ed002's Note - You need the fantasy football page.}

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Both! Add in Sanchez allowing Borini Downing and Assaidi move on in addition to Suarez. That would free up enough wages to allow Liverpool to tempt these players!

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26 Jul 2013 09:57:33
Both on either side of the wings with countinho in the middle. sturridge to finish things off.
how about that. the kids going to run with the ball and bully all the top class defenders in EPL.

Thats PPP. Power packed perfoemance. Pace, dribble, sreength, vision, and finish

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We won't get either. But there both awesome. Wish the Liverpool board/manager had the balls to sign players like these

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26 Jul 2013 12:25:57
I don't think they need to grow a pair of balls to sign them.
table 50 mill combined and you would get both of them. they are top talent. So if we are not linked with them Probably someone better?

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26 Jul 2013 08:36:39
My twins were born in 2005. I named them Rachael Steven and Jamie Luis - for pretty obvious reasons ( who can forget luis Garcia's woner goal against Juve - perhaps the moment when we all really started to believe!). I thank god my boy was named after Garcia and not that other diving, lying, biting, cheating, ungrateful, disloyal, litte sh*ep. I don't care any morenhow good he is - everything that is bad about football today can be summed up in one word - Suarez! Arsenal are welcome to him - though I do feel the cultural fit wi Chelsea might be better for him .

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Jamie luis is actually a pretty Coll name! Rachel Steven. Well hmmm!

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Pity the household the twins are being brought up in with that amount of hatred for a guy who just plays football for a living, and who wants to play at the highest level - although I do agree Arsenal are most definitely not a step up from ourselves - in truth, no one in reality is a step up - although some teams are playing in a money making competition called the Champions League - which is a misnomer as not just the Champions play in it.

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Good post and yes likes the last bit couldn't agree more would be suited to chelsea probably get a pay rise for his indiscriminations down there

dave

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Named my lad owen, few months later he left us.

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John B, I have never read as much shabite in my life lad.

Don't judge the lad with the kids because he comments on a f*****g footie player.

You completely contradicted yourself by stating not to criticise him for wanting to play at a higher level albeit you don't see Arsenal as any different to Liverpool.

Wind your neck in lad it's getting boring now.

DaveyBootle

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Maybe you should name your kids Liverpool as that is the only guaranteed name to stay.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 08:38:03
A team like Liverpool shouldn't be talking about maybe getting into fourth spot we should be trying to sign players to win the league wot has happened to us happy to finish fourth which we won't even do

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1. Hicks and Gillett
2. Chelsea and man city being run as personal toys rather than football clubs
3. Ferguson

Times change son - it's a different world. The only way back to the top is to build. Brilliant young side rather than try to buy one. And we might just do it - and how good will that feel.

Peter m

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Unfortunately without CL football we can't sign the type of players to compete for the league first step is to get into the CL. (The only way we could attract those players is on massive wages and fees i.e. Monaco, City - a few years back)

I'm sure if we do make 4th or better we will attract all kinds of players the hurdle then will be transfer fees and wages.

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26 Jul 2013 09:12:49
I no I no
just having a moment had a coffee now feeling better lol

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Haha toys? What a jealous comment if we were run by one of their owners you wouldn't say that. Its called ambition and there's nothing wrong with that. If it hampens our hopes then so be it, maybe our owners need to sell on to those who can. Not a criticism of the owners that's football. Teams like Dortmund are rare breeds and won't happen every season.

CC

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Maybe if you loan fsg £200mil from your wallet they will buy all the players you want. most of us see the reality of our situation and are happy to build a team for a long term future. not just short term success. which itself is not guaranteed, just look at city.

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Okay how about 4 th place the F.A cup this year then the league and the champions league next year

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Well said Pete.

Alfie

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Yep, well said Pete.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 08:26:06
Luis Suarez Stats

League Only

Season App Goals Ass
2011-12 31 11 6
2012-13 33 23 8

This is what we have to replace - Suarez going to Arsenal is not a guarantee that they will get 30 goals, in fact he is more likely at a new club and a 6 game ban to get a similar return to 2011-12 season where he also got a hefty ban - 11 goals.

If we can replace him with a 20 goal striker / attacker then we won't be far off. I also believe that the players Rodgers has assembled gives us a well balanced attack with plenty of variety to change players around something we lacked at the start of last season was the ability to change the attack when plan a wasn't going right.

Lots to optimistic about Reds!

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26 Jul 2013 09:58:59
20 goal attacker or 20 goal striker deom a decent league would have suitors all over the world.

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JFT, when people talk about a 30 goal a season striker they're referring to all competitive club games not just PL. Suarez for 11/12 season for the club played 39 games, scored 17 goals and had 11 assists for us. In 12/13 Suarez played 44 games for us, scored 30 goals and had 13 assists.

Also Suarez' return was worse in 11/12 as his finishing was worse. 5 games extra in 12/13 but 13 extra goals shows an improving in his scoring.

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Sean, I understand what your saying but we need to replace 23 goals in the league next season, this is possible if we buy a good striker / attacker and add that to what we have.

I think Arsenal believe Suarez is the answer to there scoring issues since RVP left, but I genuinely don't think he will be, RVP got 30 goals for Arsenal in the league in his last season and they still finished 4th!

What i'm trying to say is I know Suarez will be missed he brings energy and options to the team but I think we can replace him and I also think he won't set the world alight at Arsenal but these are both my opinions.

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True but we will have £50M to spend (hopefully) - we bought Suarez for just over £22M so there are achievable and affordable options out there.

What we don't want is another Andy Carroll situation, where an average Striker comes for ridiculous money as there is too much pressure associated with high fees.

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My point was that Suarez is in the bracket of strikers people refer to as 30 goal a season strikers.

In response to the rest of your posts I agree we need to replace his league goals with another attacker capable of 20 odd league goals. This leaves us quits though and Rodgers wants an extra 20 goals not the same so we'd need more again. If we signed a 20 goal player then we'd need 1 more 10 goal player and Aspas could make up the rest?

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26 Jul 2013 08:20:13
Eds,

Do you think the lack of movement from real means Suarez is likely to join arsenal in the next few days. {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

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26 Jul 2013 08:04:36
The thing I liked about Kenny in charge was he said nothing about transfers until they happened.

Currently Rodgers even some of the senior players are telling lies, now I understand they want to protect the sale process and value of players but both Rodgers and Stevie G recently mentioned Reina was looking forward to next season and competition between goal keepers.

We knew through rumours that Reina would leave so why not just come out and say it as soon as it was going to happen the PR machine at LFC is in over drive!

Things are not be done in the Liverpool Way any more!

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Has anybody ever thought that maybe after talks between reina and the manager, this is the way they decided to deal with the situation. Reina leaves with a huge thank you from both club and supporters, leaves as a hero, as did alonso with the way he dealt with the move to Madrid. Yet players who publicly come out and say they want to leave eg Suarez, Torres etc get outcast and hated!
Matt2836

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You've completely contradicted yourself, you say you liked Kenny because he never told of transfers until their done yet are annoyed at Rodgers for doing the exact same thing with reina

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First you don't want Rodgers to say anything until transfers are completed but you end up with wanting him to say that reina was going to leave before the transfer is done?

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If BR said he had no plans for Reina and wanted him out he'd potentially have problems with the PFA. Football isn't life I'm afraid. Not many professions where transfer fees exist and agents agitate.

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Rogers is doing brilliant reina was looking forward move we got our man in played it cool let him leave no hard feelings What's the morning even about Kenny was a train wreck anytime he spoke to the media he got smart it was embarrassing

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26 Jul 2013 08:56:56
As much as we all like Kenny and everything he has done for the club, I found his media interviews to be particularly hard to listen to during his last spell in charge. He was always grumpy, hostile and prickly to whoever was asking the questions. Rogers is the complete opposite. The fact your complaining about Rogers and how he handles the transfers during the media shows that all you want is a good moan.

I think Rogers is doing a great job and the season looks really positive.

Why suarez wants to leave us for the gooners is beyond me. If we get 50 large ones, let him go.

Have a good one

rb {Ed007's Note - RB said "He was always grumpy, hostile and prickly to whoever was asking the questions". You make him sound like Ed02.}

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The point I was trying to say was either say nothing like Kenny did or be honest from the start and get it said and done with.

Currently its this middle ground of PR fluff have stating a player is leaving and implying they are staying - its lies to appease the situation and I don't like it.

Sorry if I came across as contradicting myself.

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Ed007 (seriously cool James bond name by the way lol) only seen your name twice but I'm starting to like you already

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Well Kennys way was certainly the wrong way dude

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26 Jul 2013 10:00:20
The thing I liked about Kenny in charge was he said nothing about transfers until they happened.


If He ever said he is going to buy caroll dowining and adam for over 70 mill.
Liverpool FC would go on strike.

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Hey rb and Ed007. That is Kenny's unique way. Exactly the same as his first stint in charge. If you don't get it then you don't understand the legend he is. Certainly gave Fergie a run for his money. You don't get one over Kenny in an interview, simple boys.

Alfie

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I would rather a manager get his transfers right than worry about what he says in interviews. Kenny may have said nothing but we got battered under him in the market. Rodgers and the club are just trying to do what is best for the club. Accept the interview responses to be part of the game and don't get too caught up in them as literal.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 07:53:34
Hi eds
With everyone talking about goals that will need to be added to the team people are saying we need 20 plus the 30 we lose from Suarez. However I think people are forgetting we already have goals added to the side; young players like sterling and ibe will add much more than last year as ibe didn't play and sterling tailed off very badly, Henderson will also add goals to his game as he started to at the end of last year so I think just through younger players developing and bringin new youngsters in as well as people getting used to the system we can expect an extra 10 at least. Sturridge was only there for half the season so if he continues form will add around another 15 goals and coutinho hopefully another 5 at least. That is already replacing Suarez, and then to make up the other 20 we have borini and aspas plus one new forward player so I don't the goals being an issue as between aspas and borini I would hope they could make up that 20 and with the extra forward player we could be looking at adding and extra 30 to last season tally. I would be more concerned about defence as although I believe toure to be a good signing I would prefer a more dominant ariel presence alongside agger but obviously this will only happen orlf we can move skrtel on
Alex YNWA

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We don't need 20 more goals than last season - just to concede 15-20 less. If Sturridge had played through the middle all season he'd have scored more than Suarez. If we get Eriksen & possibly Ince that's more goals and assists and money left over to bolster defence.

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Totally agree with you alex, we have definitaly added goals in the new players we have signed. I would rather see goals from all our players than relying on one selfish sod [cant say his name anymore]

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Kidder, what use would Ince be to us? I see it as pointless spending £7-8m on a player who is no better than Sterling and we have Ibe to come through also.

LW we're better off to go all out and try get a big improvement on Sterling & Ibe.

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We definately need a high quality right winger to replace downing, an atttacking midfielder who scores goals, another striketo replace suarez's goals, a defensive midfielder and two centre backs.

Anonymous woolback

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26 Jul 2013 06:45:38
Hey good morning I've read that Suarez has received death threats I hope its way way wide of the mark because we as fans are better than that a lot better let the snake slide away our club has been here a lot longer than him and always will be MIGHTY REDS JON96

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Who says he had had death threats? Actual names? Media? well stop gossiping our reputation into the gutter!

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Woahh! Up a Hoods!

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26 Jul 2013 12:12:13
Who's gossip u tool its all over the place and ya our club is in the gutter with the likes of that ungreatful gobrubbish that u worship at our club get rid

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26 Jul 2013 06:38:46
Brendan is quoted this morning asking why Luis would swap Liverpool for Arsenal, as Liverpool are one of the biggest teams in the world.

Finishing 7th for the second year running and out of all European competitions might have something to do with it.

Showing zero ambition in the transfer market buying kids and veterans instead of proven quality players might have something to do with it.

If we do sell Suarez will we add the £40M plus to the £20M we are supposed to have available already and buy the two or three class players we desperately need to compete at the top level? Unlikely.

If we then finish out of the CL again next year, which is probable, will we see Coutino head to Chelsea or City next year?

If we want players to stay and others to join we have to show some real ambition and make a statement that we are a top team who are looking to compete.

Nred

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And showing real ambition is selling our only world class player to a club that hasn't won a trophy of any sort since 2005. Who, for the 6 years previously relied on one player for success - Thierry Henry. They may give off this successful mystique, and play football the right, but the facts are, they are certainly not a step up from us.

{Ed002's Note - Regardless of Brendan Rodgers become a favourite of the press because he tends to open his mouth before thinking about what he is going to say, you need to look to the player and not the manager for blame on this one.}

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I think Rogers is handling a very difficult situation very well my god could you imagine the embarrassing interviews Kenny would be doing in this situation horrific seriously Rogers is doing class be happy

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Haha is a chelsea fan seriously got the cheek to have a go at our managers dealings witht the press {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Chelsea. It is not "having a go" - it is a true statement. You are a complete idiot.}

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Statement: we have spent more money than arsenal on players every season for the last six or seven seasons if not longer. spending big on high wage earners and not making champions league would do us more damage than good. how can you not see that we have to be financially stable to have a long term future. maybe you don't remember leeds?

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26 Jul 2013 09:47:28
Ed's2, " not having a go" but saying he opens his mouth before thinking. Show some respect, I think he speaks openly and honestly, which shows the character of the man and his principles. Rather than beat about the bush with all the bullsh**te there is normally in these interviews he says it as he sees it {Ed002's Note - You didn't read my note properly, and you really are not looking at it in an unbiased way if you think he is doing a great job handling the press. Reina? Suarez? The press see him as someone repeatedly setting himself up now. He is far from demonstrating any control over the media.}

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Just like a lot of top class managers really. Opening their mouths before thinking about what they are going to say. He isn't the only one Ed. {Ed002's Note - It was about Rodgers, it is nothing to do with anyone else.}

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Yes Liverpool have won more trophies than arsenal and because of their success in the 70ies and 80ies a lot of glory seekers started supporting them hence the large support you have today.but in my opinion Liverpool fc can't hold a candle to the thick rich history of arsenal fc, from the 11 workmates starting the club in 1886 arsenal more than any club has moulded the shape and histoy of english football, even the first stand to be called the KOP was at arsenals grond .BR should read arsenals history before commenting, he may be a fellow countryman of mine but the mans a tw-t

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26 Jul 2013 11:45:39
Getting sick to death of people slating Kenny on here.

Look at what he has done for the club on and off it over his whole life. You would have crumbled under the pressure.

He is the reason we are what we are. Our greatest player and would have been our greatest manager had an awful tragedy not gotten in the way and changed our football club forever. The way the man handled himself and the football club then was truly courageous. Now all of you think before you nit pick about Kenny and indeed anyone at our club in the future it's embarrassing.

Alfie

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The first ever football club was Sheffield FC and the first ever professional club was Notts County. I assume these 2 clubs have done more to shape the history of English football than anyone else.
Maybe you should read the history of football before commenting.
Oh and by the way Huddersfield Town were the first team to win 3 titles in a row.
If I ever need any help in falling asleep I will have a look at the history of Arsenal.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 06:37:04
I'd love Torres back

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I wouldn't have him back on a free

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Torres back for 18 million, take him in a flash.

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Have men in black been neuralizing LFC supporters?
Zari

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26 Jul 2013 06:13:30
eds what s the situation wit adrian lopez {Ed002's Note - There is nothing happening right now that I am aware of.}

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26 Jul 2013 02:08:08
Hi to everyone, a question to the eds please, can we not do what fergie used to do, he never sold to a prem club unless the player was useless?
Another thing I do not want the fans to upset themselves over Suarez he is not at Liverpool's level intellectually we are fans that know what to say and do and respect others. If he leaves he is the loser not us. Just remember when he did not play we scored seven goals and after that four so no problem really, and we might unearth another gem, and laugh and his barren spell at his new club.

Chin up we are going to have a cracking season.

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26 Jul 2013 01:19:33
Hi Eds, a quick question. In the Jan window of last season, when we were initially linked to Coutinho, some of you guys were saying that it will be difficult for him due to WP issues but then BANG! He's posing for photos with a LFC kit in hand.

So for Muriel, can a similar situation arise? I understand we have no interest at the moment, but if we do, can a 'Coutinho' happen on Muriel? As like Ed030, I rate Muriel as well. Seems a solid player at 22. Cheers.

YNWA
JFT96
Redken {Ed002's Note - The WP situation has been explained.}

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26 Jul 2013 10:02:36
he would get in If we have serious interest in bringing him.
WP is a never an issue for big Guns. {Ed002's Note - Don't be ridiculous - do you have any grasp of the real world at all?}

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26 Jul 2013 03:00:50
Some right Doctor Dooms on here yo!

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26 Jul 2013 01:41:41
When I look at the current squad what I look for to be successful is a 5 star spine
Goalkeeper, central defensive oganisor, midfield general and ofcourse a lethal goal scoring forward.

Liverpool have Agger (injury prone), Gerrard (33years old) Suarez (about to leave). the rest are good players.

Dont get me wrong here but I think we are full of protential but I don't think we have a team that will win the league but more realistically fight for 4th place.

The problem last season was our midfield looked superb when teams let them play but get bullied when they play teams wanting to fight. Other than Gerrard the midfield is
young and can be scared.

None of the new signings fill me with confidence and even with United and Cities new management change, I think 5th or 6th is a reality this season which means if cortinho has a good season as he has the talent then next summer could be the cortinho saga.

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Optimists would say we have one of the best goalkeepers in the PL, a player with huge self-confidence. A fit and in-form Agger, Toure & Skrtel are as good as any defence outside top 2 or 3 and Wisdom one of best young CBs in league. Gerrard had his best season in years under BR and now he's not running around like a maniac he could play 2-3 more yrs at the top. And Sturridge scored 10 quicker than Torres, Fowler, Owen and Suarez. And I haven't mentioned technically gifted players suited to our style like Coutinho, Aspas, Alberto & Allen.

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26 Jul 2013 08:31:39
Agger is off basically any one on high wages is for sale as soon as the youngsters want more money there for sale
We are now a selling club

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Agger poster - but FSG increased Agger, Skrtel, Gerrard & Suarez wages to superstar level? Seems a strange money saving device to whack up salaries beyond 100k and 150k in some instances and then decide to sell those players knowing that their high wages have limited the number of clubs who could afford to buy them?

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That last post is ridiculous, aren't we currently trying to keep one of our highest earners, and turning down a obscene amount of money up to now to keep him. And where do you get the " Agger is off " from?

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Every club sells players. Who of significance have we sold since BR took over that you wanted to stay?


MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 09:19:53
Fancy a wager that agger is going then

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26 Jul 2013 10:03:56
Mushroom
Thats a top reply. Top Top. I would actually want to sell some more which hardly contribute other than they play socks off.
Whats the use if you run the whole day in the ground if you can't do what ua are bought for?

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Mushroom, Suarez will be the first player some of these posters just get ridiculously dramatic over every single incident.

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Harry, I assume you would be putting Downing into that category of players you want to leave? What you need to look at mate is the work they do off the ball as well as the work they do with it.
Towards the end of last season Downing had his best games for us, but what you must also consider is he spends a lot of his time covering for Johnson defensively. If we had a better fullback then Downing would also be better. I'm not saying he is the quality that we need, but he is a very good squad player.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 12:33:55
Mushroom.
I understand your point, But that's something BR has to get it right.
But He was never a good winger, He ain't once beat man.

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I hear what you're saying Sean, but Suarez wants to go. Would you keep a player that doesn't want to play for you any more? You can't really blame Rodgers for that and it certainly doesn't quantify us being a selling club!

MUSHROOM

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Mushroom, I was reiterating your point really there. I was saying we're not a selling club the OP was being over the top. Suarez is the first quality player we will be selling under BR where as the OP makes it sound like we have deals lined up to sell Agger, Sturridge, Coutinho, etc.

Never for a second have I blamed Rodgers for Suarez and I totally agree he wants to go. Personally I'd suit the club not the player, I'd keep him if we can't get what we feel he is worth.

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26 Jul 2013 01:01:19
For me fooball is about winning trophies and the two biggest trophies are the champions league and the domestic league.
Liverpool havnt won the domestic league in over 20 years and to be honest, don't look like winning any time soon.
Man u will be favourites with Arsenal City Chelsea and Spurs the outside chasers.
I love my club and I see protential but to be fair I've see protential for 20 years.
Now we have a young inexperienced team and a young inexperienced ( before everyone moans his 20 year old coaching badges ) manager who hasn't been in the EPL long.

Suarez wants to compete like Torres before him and show off their trophies in years to come.

Courtinho will be next if we don't challenge.
People will say its about money in todays football and yes it is as football is a career. Trophies are what history is made off and players want to be immortal and have their names remembered forever.

Dont blame Suarez for wanting to leave but blame the club for not appointing the right team for 20 years

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I don't know that it is about blaming him for wanting to leave but rather how he has gone about it given the support he received.

Andy K

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26 Jul 2013 07:29:24
Excelent Post.

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Err so you think it is okay for Suarez to want to join Arsenal to win trophies?

Something not quite right in that sentence.

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Haven't won the champions league in 20 years? Okay

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There are far more players interested in money than trophies.

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 11:18:25
so u mean luis garcia, kewell, alonso, mascherano, riise and all other player is not a good team? we have not win because we lack of luck. football.is about create a team and teamwork spirit. not just trophies. I believe we will win soon. when we start. we will not stop. u r the first one I will remember to say that we are not going to to win that.

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26 Jul 2013 00:35:09
Hope all is well eds and reds. Just a couple things. is it just me or has rogers gone a little overboard with his teeth whitening.? Lol. And on the suarez and loyalty side of things I was thinkin about skrtel. And what a legend in my opinion. he's had a rought sort of year and still just loves and wants to play for us and fight for a spot. that's the type of player I want playin for us. Ok rant over :)

Smurf

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His teeth are crazy white now! And he has lost a bunch of weight! Brendan goes Hollywood! Ha

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Ill say this. If our team improves and matures at the same rate as Brendan has over his 1st year we are going to be challenging for CL football come May. I like how he has handled himself in the media this summer so far. He's a fast learner. Came back to a tough situation and gone about business. If LS goes he find a way for us to compete. I think he'll get us back to the top.

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Agreed with Paul

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26 Jul 2013 00:30:47
My bet is that Suarez is going to Real Madrid.

Rodgers is 'management man'. I have had to deal with a few.

Ignore everything he says, typical management BS.

Good luck Luis in the Bernabeu.

Liverpool have a long journey back to those Anfield European nights. Things will get worse, before they get better.

Volari.

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Nothing even comes close to the 2 cowboys so things won't get worse.
with or without Suarez things are getting better

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Volari, which team do you support as it is clearly not Liverpool?
Are you a management man with the BS that you've just spouted?

MUSHROOM

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26 Jul 2013 10:01:00
What's Rodgers going to say? He's handled this well. If in pointing out to LS that he has been supported when missing games for various reasons it upsets LS that he's reminded of his transgressions who's fault is that? BR also has to keep the fans onside while trying to make sure he holds a line on the valuation while also keeping the door open for LS to stay should the valuation not be met.
Kidder {Ed002's Note - He has not handled it at all well. He should avoid any mention of money as he must know it only confuses the fans.}

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25 Jul 2013 23:57:09
Can't remember who, but someone was asking about 'Rafa' playing for the U-21s the other day. I posted a pic of what I understand is the official roster up on the sightings page. 'Rafa' is listed as number 18 and you see him play on the highlights (looks like a CB?). Still no clue who it is though.

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Mate it also states we have a player called Lloyd Johns when it's Jones

Just a mistake, same with Rafa

Marc

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