Liverpool Banter Archive June 26 2017

26 Jun 2017 22:57:20
The abuse ed002 is getting is uncalled for the information he gives us is brilliant we should count ourselves very lucky.

26 Jun 2017 23:59:34
Agree!

26 Jun 2017 23:48:41
Can't beat a good Sharkopod 👌.

26 Jun 2017 23:50:35
Agreed. Everyone is entitled to their opinions just because someone's is different to yours doenst mean you start kicking off, what are we back in school? Plus Ed002 was just saying it how it is and respect for that. To be honest people need to start realising we aren't perfect by any means as much as we do all love the club.

26 Jun 2017 23:54:48
I do ................

{Ed002's Note - Your statement is untrue. Why do you think it is good to lie? Go and read your own posts.}

27 Jun 2017 00:29:34
Agreed, people can't except the truth, I love klopp and think he is he right fit but ed2 is obsviously going to have a problem with klopp as he doesn't play by the rules, if mourinho was caught during this we would be the first to ask for him and United to be banned, klopp need some to have a look at himself if he wants to stay, the club reputation should always come first.

26 Jun 2017 20:45:39
Hi Ed 2

Just a quick one. Do you agree that Juergen Klopp is doing a good job at Liverpool? Qualifying for the champions league isn't easy, and when you compare the money spent by all the teams around us etc.

Thanks

Jack.

{Ed002's Note - No. Last season, like the season before was a failure. He promised he could win the league with the players at the club and perhaps minimal change. He has gotten the club in a great deral of trouble and has lied to the players. The fans are taken in by the clown act and the younger players by the hugging. The owners and board are dragging their tales through the slime apologising because of what he has done. You tell me.}

26 Jun 2017 21:56:04
Whereas I agree that at times Klopp's antics got the better of him, considering the squad was the weakest of the top 5, 4th position in PL isn't total failure. This season he'll have to do much better and I still think FSG have confidence Klopp can deliver the Holy Grail (premiership) . That's also the reason why I think LFC will spend heavily on Keita.

{Ed002's Note - Right, they are in transition and Klopp lied to the owners. It gets better all of the time. Perhaps they should have listened to Ancelotti?}

26 Jun 2017 21:59:57
Ed002's hatred of all things Liverpool laid out for all to see. Bloody pathetic - get a life you clown.

{Ed002's Note - You wish to point out something I have said that is not true? You are going through life as a damp patch. I appreciate it is just something you have to be. It is not uncommon for people to turn abusive when they don't understand the truth - but rather sad.}

26 Jun 2017 22:02:59
I for one believe Klopp brought back belief. Let's be honest, the football on display last season, we totally thrashed anything that was put in front of us except for when opposition teams played with eleven in the box. The football on display was marvelous.

The whole VVD saga has put a dampner on things for me. This is Liverpool, you have to treat the club with respect. Klopp buried us in ridicule.

I am hoping Klopp was given a proper talking to. FSG seriously need to put their foot down. The only manager who has not dragged them through carp under their reign was old Hodgson but he was not even appointed by FSG. He did not cause the problems Kenny, Rodgers and Klopp have.

FSG have the financial brain, they have taken the club far beyond what Moores and the cowboys could have ever achieved but maybe running an institution as big as Liverpool has become too much for them. They are not learning from their mistakes.

26 Jun 2017 22:08:01
I love the clown act though 🤡.

26 Jun 2017 22:12:50
Ed 2 should stick to man u page he s hatred for Liverpool gets in the way of an honest answer.

{Ed002's Note - Would you like to share what part is not honest? You are are an embarrassment and will scamper off now. The manager is a disgrace and embarrassment to the club. The warnings last year and the grovelling apology for the board to need to yet again make public is a truly awful place to be. Illegally approaching players of other clubs to tap them up is something many Liverpool fans are advocating rather than accepting it is wrong. Nobody cares about the club screwing up the career of a child but would rather say "everyone else does it". And then little bits of trash like you come aloing with your ridiculous little comments - further embarrassing all Liverpool fans - is cringeworthy. So again, what part of the answer is not honest?}

26 Jun 2017 22:06:21
Again I agree with a lot of what you're saying ED 2 but could Liverpool realistically challenge the likes of Chelsea with players like Hazard, Cante', Fabregas etc. Klopp may have lied to FSG but it must have been obvious to FSG that a squad like Liverpool's cannot compete over the course of an entire season.

{Ed002's Note - FSG are not experts in football. They have thrown enormous amounts of money at the club and have been taken in by a manager who has one nothing for years.}

26 Jun 2017 22:16:52
Ed02, You're right that Klopp has got things wrong both on and off the pitch, but you clearly seem to have a particular, almost passionate dislike of the man. I'm sure we're all curious as to the reason behind it?

{Ed002's Note - Where is that - where did I say something which is not true? You are not really grasping the point of honest answers. Klopp has one nothing for years and has taken people in. He has ABUSED his position to such an extent that the club has had to take on the chin two warnings last season, and now the potential investigation that could see a transfer ban or perhaps a points reduction this season. If he did indeed brief a number of journalists to publish targets then the situation will become very serious indeed. None of you get it. None of you understand the consequences of the ban the club has nor of the court case which is pending. The club and Klopp are completely out of control. But you all love it.}

26 Jun 2017 22:29:20
Ed 02 - this the Lpool page! Etc etc ✌👍.

26 Jun 2017 22:30:10
So ................

{Ed002's Note - You are what the rest of the world scrapes off the bottom of their shoes.}

26 Jun 2017 22:34:00
Whoa, what's with the hatred to ed02? People wonder why he's get annoyed and disappears every now and then. If you ask him a question you should know by now to get his honest opinion! I personally like Klopp for what he has done league position wise, but let's not have rose tinted glasses about it. There's potential in him and the squad, but he has to change to stop with the behind the scenes antics ed02 is mentioning. We all appreciate eds input when it's something positive so you have to take the rough with the smooth!

{Ed002's Note - Post of the day. They don't like hearing the truth W666. They would do best not to ask or to keep the questions to the playful subjects like Crystal Tipps and Alistair (who predate me being in England but I have since discovered (perhaps about 5 years ago) are an absolute blast).}

26 Jun 2017 22:35:54
I'm fairly certain the huge majority of the fans do not love it! No true Liverpool fan wants to see the club's reputation tarnished. I'm not suggesting anything you have said is untrue. It just seemed to me, as I'm sure it does to most on here, that you appear to revel in every opportunity to bash Klopp and have been doing so since he arrived. If it's simply down to the fact that you want things done properly then fair enough. It just seems there's more to it?

{Ed002's Note - No, I get asked a question and I give an honest answer. This is like Gaston Ramerez all over again.}

26 Jun 2017 22:44:50
that was a decent read 😂. If you're opening a question out to ed's who we all know aren't all LFC fans then u can't get shirty at the response, and in all honesty, why should u care what fans of other clubs think? that's not a aimed as a pop at either of the Eds responding to the post by the way, but my personal opinion is what matters to me is what fans of the club think of the Manager, not fans of other teams!

{Ed002's Note - I am hadly a football "fan".}

26 Jun 2017 22:46:58
Ed02 thanks for taking the time to answer. The huge majority of us on here really appreciate the time and effort you take in sharing your knowledge and opinions with us.

{Ed002's Note - I understand that and thanks CR.}

26 Jun 2017 22:51:35
fair shout, point in making mate is why do people ask if they can't handle the opinion of a non LFC fan (which is obviously going to be unbiased) totally agree with the above post by westwood666, i just couldn't word mine as well! There's a lot of issues with our club that absolutely need to stop before Klopp ruins what I think he could be capable of.

26 Jun 2017 23:09:35
Yowza Ed002. To paraphrase some of the locals "calm down calm down"

26 Jun 2017 22:59:58
Look people, there is nothing right about a manager of Liverpool bringing the club into disrepute. As a matter of fact, not any employee of Liverpool.

If Ed002 is suggesting that there could be a transfer ban on the way for Liverpool or points reduction, then this is not something we should be advocating?

The Ed's are here to provide worthy info. If this is the way our fans are rambling on then it just shows the current state of affairs at this club. Questions get asked of the Ed's and they get abused when they give honest answers?

26 Jun 2017 23:00:44
Failure my arse. were back.

26 Jun 2017 23:15:47
Personally think Klopp done a good job last season.
May have promised more you can't guarantee that in football.
Think he's brought the feel good factor back to the club and the fans are 100% behind him.
Can't comment to much on anything he's said reguarding transfer as know nothing of it but if true what edd002 is saying then it needs to stop.
Would be interesting to know if this is common place or not in football, I'd probably say yes, but still doesn't make it right.

{Ed002's Note - It is not common place to have done what Liverpool has done - it is far more common to see agents overstep the mark.}

26 Jun 2017 23:16:15
"It is not uncommon for people to turn abusive when they don't understand the truth" --- This is actually very true in life. All I do is talk about frequencies and you can use them for different means. it's what we're all made of. folks just don't get it. I shall use your line, ed002, thanks.

{Ed002's Note - You might want to consider the words of Langston Hughes:
I play it cool
I dig all jive
That's the reason
I stay alive
My motto
As I live and learn
Is dig and be dug in return.}

27 Jun 2017 00:17:27
It seems Ed in your replies that you are suggesting that everything that is wrong with Liverpool's transfer dealings is down to Klopp? Surely that is an untruth, no? You also said Klopp PROMISED to win the league. Again another untruth. How can anyone possibly promise to win anything?! He might have said he could do it but I'd hardly call that a lie. I say it about us every year as do most fans of any club and I'd wager a great number of managers too. You mentioned ruining a child's career in a thread about Klopp. Are you suggesting that was his fault too? Please clarify as by reading your answers I'm genuinely concerned that we are being managed by Satan himself in silly glasses.

26 Jun 2017 23:29:38
Nice one, Ed002, I've saved those words. I like them. stoic in nature.

26 Jun 2017 23:29:52
You're right with your "truths" 002, but there's absolutely 0 chance, and I mean 0, that klopp told the owners he would win the league with the players he was coming in to.
Reason one, klopp did not need to sell himself to the club, the club wanted him.
Reason two, he's a bright guy, even he knew with the crap Rodgers left behind, that he had no chance of winning the league with the players already here.
With all due respect, I feel you've said it so many times you're actually starting to believe your statement is real, when that particular line is just nonsense.

{Ed002's Note - He did exactly that Benny.}

27 Jun 2017 00:17:27
It seems Ed in your replies that you are suggesting that everything that is wrong with Liverpool's transfer dealings is down to Klopp? Surely that is an untruth, no? You also said Klopp PROMISED to win the league. Again another untruth. How can anyone possibly promise to win anything?! He might have said he could do it but I'd hardly call that a lie. I say it about us every year as do most fans of any club and I'd wager a great number of managers too. You mentioned ruining a child's career in a thread about Klopp. Are you suggesting that was his fault too? Please clarify as by reading your answers I'm genuinely concerned that we are being managed by Satan himself in silly glasses.

{Ed002's Note - No I have not done that. I don't blame Klopp for the ruining of the career of a child, plunging his parents in to debt nor the lies told to the authorities in that case. What I said was perfectly clear and does not need clarification - you seem to be keen on making matters worse by misleading people about what has been said.}

27 Jun 2017 03:18:03
I'm genuinely curious what Klopp did to you Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - Do you want to share with us what I have said that is untrue? People keep asking the same question but don't want an honest answer.}

27 Jun 2017 06:38:36
I respect your contributions Ed002 but I completely disagree with your take on Klopp's performance last season. We are playing much better football and definately improving in an increasingly competitive league. I don't understand how you can say he lied about winning the league? Of course managers make promises and a lot of the time, fall short of their goals. How is this any different?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool failed to achieve anything again. The owners have two clear targets and they are close to neither. I know, in transition.}

27 Jun 2017 08:25:53
Were finally making moves in the right direction. We qualified for the Champions League. I think that's a good enough achievement for his first full season in charge. You might not like him but he is doing a good job so far.
That said, I think the owners need to appropriate action about his unwise conduct in other matters.

{Ed002's Note - Nearly two seasons and you clearly have low expectations which the owners. Conte won the league. The owners expect that sort of response - this constant cycle of transition goes nowhere.}

27 Jun 2017 09:29:03
Ed with all due respect Conte took over a side that had won the league the season before and had imploded under the ticking time bomb that is Mourinho. All he had to do was get them all back together to stand a chance. He also added quality which Chelsea can aesily afford. Klopp took over a stagnated team still reeling from the loss of Suarez and Gerrard. To compare the two is just ludicrous.

{Ed002's Note - They were mid table the season before. Klopp had double the time and did nothing. Klopp has done nothing for years. But he is the likeable clown still.}

27 Jun 2017 09:54:03
Ed02 there is a difference between taking over a team that has already won the league in the past few years and has the squad to do it, than a squad that has been mismanaged and no direction or top class players and hasn't won a thing in years.

In regards to your comment about Klopp saying he would win the league, the league the only thing i remember him saying is "If i am sat here in 4-5 years i would like to think i would have won 1 league title". He is only in his first FULL season, we are top 4 which we haven't had for years not to mention for a couple months we were playing the best football in Europe in terms of Wins/ Goals/ Chances? I understand he has got a lot wrong behind the scenes, but to say last season has been a failure for a club like LFC that's been stuck outside the top 4 for years is just wrong.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool was a side that had recenmtly come second. Klopp promised the owners what I said - that is why he got the job over others.}

27 Jun 2017 12:14:48
Wow. I didn't half open a can of worms there. I didn't realise it was so complex. I see it like this : we haven't been in the champions league for years, now we are = progress. Obviously ed 2 you appear to have a real disliking of Klopp! Anyway, it doesn't really matter what opinions people have really, the proof will be in the pudding. I imagine this coming season will be the acid test for Liverpool. If we fall away and don't have a good run in the Champions league after spending big, which it looks like we will, then we can judge. I've got a feeling that he will get it right, but time will tell. All the best to you and good luck for the new season fellow reds.

Jack.

{Ed002's Note - I don't have a dislike of Klopp - everything I have said is true.}

27 Jun 2017 12:18:09
Oh and Conte won the league Ed 2 after years and years of Chelsea spending top dollar for players, inheriting a team that won the league just two years ago so I don't quite understand your comparison. Liverpool were a million miles away again when Suarez left. If Klopp had Suarez next season I'd put my house on us being at least top 2.

{Ed002's Note - You all like comparisons. How many more years in transition do Liverpool need to deliver on the vast investment - given the "world class" coach?}

27 Jun 2017 14:39:25
Was my post left out for a reason. Was there anything wrong with it or just forgotten in the rush.

{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

27 Jun 2017 22:28:04
This is the funniest post I've read in ages!
Ed002 getting well pissed off!
To be fair though Ed, there have been times when you've said things that were untrue, like on your sharkopod about Liverpool transfer targets!
You said kolasinac to Milan was nailed on!
No mention of Salah or VVD as possible Liverpool targets and though you did mention Solanke, you only mentioned him as fans were talking about him and you backed some other young centre forward, I can't remember who though, as being Liverpool's main target for that position!
You did, however, rubbish the aubamayamadingdong rumours immediately!
Keep up the good work Ed, love the tunes on sharkopods!

{Ed002's Note - Where did I say the words "nailed on"? Salah was not first choice - the first choice rejected Liverpool. van Dijk was illegally approached by Liverpool and by Klopp. I don't recall ever having used the words "main target". Clearly you have no interest in knowing about the players are interested in and have been watching.}

26 Jun 2017 21:27:50
Don't often post but what is the point in Liverpool paying scouts when all we want to do is buy ready made talent. Now for instance this lad keita if our scouts done there job could of had him 3 years ago for 1.5mil. Same goes for some other big clubs even Chelsea Utd how often do kids get a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid thats the way of the football world now brett, its sad though i agree, the likes of TAA and tom davies etc are the future and have to be integrated into our teams, maybe they should bring in laws that guarantee academy players so much playing time or something, i dont claim to know the answers but the questions are frightening mate..

26 Jun 2017 22:23:23
Is there a law that can be made or have the clubs got all the say.

{Ed025's Note - the clubs have got it all sewn up brett and the gap between the have,s and have not,s is growing mate, things have to change or the game will die imo..

26 Jun 2017 22:44:21
I know the tv money has blown things outta portion but how do the smaller clubs ment to keep up? The average player is now 20 million which is crazy Liverpool even want to pay 30 million or so they say for the ox with 1 year left on his contract.

26 Jun 2017 20:37:22
Banter pls.
Ox in - thumbs up or down? Forget any price.
Simple poll.

26 Jun 2017 17:24:01
Hi Ed's hope you are doing well. I remember very well that you all consider SSN as reliable.
Now they are also reporting our interest on Mbappe, any truth their? or is he Madrid bound.

{Ed002's Note - If that is Sky I have never said anything of the sort. I have dealt with the situation with Mbappe both here and elsewhere. Perhaps you should try the European pages?}

26 Jun 2017 18:36:53
SSN are far from reliable and there stories always surface far behind everyone else's they seem to go with the general consensus only good for done deals.

{Ed001's Note - none of us Editors, that I am aware of, would consider Sly as reliable for anything other than making up false stories to attract false bets for Slybet.}

26 Jun 2017 17:09:05
Couple Keita rumours flying around today.

No idea how trust worth these Journos are but both the Guardian's Ed Aarons and German journalist Raphael Honigstein have indicated that the 22-year-old is looking to leave the Red Bull Arena.

With RB Leipzig going from 'hes not for sale' To '£70m would do it' Are things starting to be change or is this just all made up rubbish?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

26 Jun 2017 17:22:31
Ed001 explained we are not looking to sign him any longer and pushing for the Ox as an alternative.

26 Jun 2017 17:31:28
I also add that the rumour is he is refusing to sign a new contract which was discussed at the end of last season. I read what Ed01 has said, just throwing this out there, situations change beyond liverpools decision.

Also if Ox is our alternative to a very good first team player, then that's a little worrying. Always thought Ox would be a big squad player for us not to replace a what was 'primary target'

26 Jun 2017 17:37:59
Which is an absolute joke in fairness,

26 Jun 2017 18:25:57
Good to see us opt for option C again.

26 Jun 2017 18:41:15
Let's suppose the rumours are true and I were in charge of RBL. What would I do to keep a prized player who was looking to move away? I would put a very high but not stupid price on him, whilst privately telling him that he was valued and important to the team. I haven't burned any bridges with the player. Either I get the cash to re-invest or I get a player who will continue to perform because he wants to be seen as worth the high price by potential bidders. If the team moves forward in terms of competitiveness and trophy winning prospects and he changes his mind that's fine, otherwise in the last year of his contract I try and sell him on.

26 Jun 2017 19:01:45
If we want to let RBL pull our pants down for a player who is not even a proven entity in the whole of Europe for 70m (which is not pocket change by any stretch) then the club can have at it. I don't want Keita cos he is not worth 70m neither do I want the Ox as he is a poor player, end of. There are better options out there at CM and the scouts need to go do their jobs instead of outsourcing it to the Saints.

26 Jun 2017 19:58:31
If he's what we want we should pay the money for Keita and look For a cheaper alternative to VVD. The Ox is hopeless.

26 Jun 2017 20:27:54
All the people saying they don't want him for the price, if he has a similar season next season to the one he has just had. You would all be complaining that we didn't try when we had the chance. Another season like that and he will end up at the biggest clubs in Europe and we will be feeling sorry for our selves again.

26 Jun 2017 21:43:49
And if we buy him and he has a stinker Alex?

26 Jun 2017 16:15:02
Sky trolling about mbappe again and incidentally promoting betting odds in the same breath. Deep sigh.

26 Jun 2017 15:26:17
Naby Kieta and Coutinho will dominate any midfield in the legaue. They will just feed, Mane / Salah / Firmino up top.
Total domination! Now add Emre Can at the base and the best midfield in England!

26 Jun 2017 15:44:53
It should be the defense we should be investing heavily in not the midfield.

26 Jun 2017 15:45:03
I think I know you.

26 Jun 2017 15:51:54
I am also excited but for God's sake Harry let us not overhype the team, common sense tells us that not all of our signings are going to instantly hit the ground running . I agree though that given time this has the potential to be a very formidable and lethal midfielder combination . Let's cross our fingers and toes this happens sooner rather than later .

26 Jun 2017 16:42:26
Everyone is sweating over Keita, but how many have seen him play week in week out? I'm not saying I have, but that much for a player that has 1 season in a top flight?

26 Jun 2017 17:45:09
Completely agree fencey. I have never seen a full game of his, only extended highlights at best. But I've not got him down as a £50-70m player. Looks a decent £20m player. Not sure how he'd cope with Britain either. He loves a run and in England, you just get chopped down, tugged back or obstructed. It has frustrated some foreigners to the point where they sulk. Does he have the right mentality to deal with the rough and tumble? I can only guess. Either way, the money is too much. Fans can say "It's not your money" all they like but I'm sorry, yes it is! I buy the merchandise, the TV prescription, the tickets etc. It is our money and I disagree with spending so much of it on a completely unknown quantity who could be a one season wonder.

26 Jun 2017 18:47:19
No MK it's not your money. You spend your money on what ever you like, the club chooses the players it wants to spend it's money on. It stops being your money the moment you hand it over.

26 Jun 2017 19:13:23
Spot on Fencey and MK. Keita is NO 50m player any more than VVD is a 70m CB. I have seen Keita player and tho he is a talented player, he ain't no 50m nor now 70m player by any stretch and those salivating over his arrival need a wake up call cos it just does not make sense. Are these people trying to tell us that a proven player in Europe like Salah will cost half the price of an unproven player with only one season in the German League? That makes no sense and no amount of spin will make that illogical comparison stick.

People also say, "it's not your money". That is a poor excuse for an argument and the club belongs to all of us so I an many of us, don't want us ripped off by a club who will gladly take our money on an unproven entity just so the fans can say that "we spent a load of cash on this player" as banter with rival fans or to just say that this is some "statement of intent" or whatever the heck that means.

26 Jun 2017 20:15:04
I agree the defence needs improving, if we are after a CB I assume we would play 3 at the back - otherwise we would be getting LB sorted I think.
I think there are comparable cheaper options far less than £70 mil for VVD, the same price for a CM seems excessive.
There are talks of Max Meyer CM, everyone has been scouting the under 21 tourno - hopefully us too as there are some talented youngsters there. Maybe cheaper options available who we could develop.
I just want the Defence fixed, our attack is looking in great shape now.

26 Jun 2017 13:16:53
Much as I would love to see our youth transition to the first team, I can't but be pleased with what our bench would look like this time around.

26 Jun 2017 15:50:50
It's not that great at the moment but a few good additions in the right places could make it look good.

26 Jun 2017 11:16:43
what is the general consensus on .............

{Ed002's Note - THIS IS THE LIVERPOOL PAGE.}

26 Jun 2017 12:57:13
I agree with ed002, that is the consensus 🤝.

26 Jun 2017 17:33:12
But yet ed 02, carragher and a host of other former players have said tapping up is rife and normal in the game, an ex city employee on sky said the very same thing, saying every deal has illegal elements, I'm not defending our behavior or excusing it, but going by people who work in the game every team is at it,

{Ed002's Note - They are making feeble excuses - Liverpool are FAR WORSE than any other side. Liverpool have been CAUGHT REPREATEDLY. All of Carraghers experience has been at Liverpool where an ex-captain admitted making ILLEGALK APPROCHES TO PLAYERS ON BEHALF OF THE CLUB. Liverpool have already had one ban IMPOSED THIS YEAR. They have since been caught again. They have been caught on two occasions telling LIES to the authorities. They SCREWED UP THE CAREER of a child. They asked the parents of the child to LIE. Why are you all dragging this out and EMBARRASING YOURSELVES and the club further. It is PITIFUL to read this nonsense. You are yet again making a lauging stock of yourselves. Yet again the board and owners have had to embarrass themselves and the club as they drag a trail of slime apologising to another side for illegally tapping up one of their players.}

26 Jun 2017 10:57:20
Ed have we followed up our interest in Robertson from Hull? I am told Leicester are keen to get him as well. Can you think of any other targets we may be looking at for left back other than Sessesgnon, Tierney, Ghoulam, and Mendy?

{Ed002's Note - Burnley and Hull are also interested in AR. I am not aware of any interest in Ghoulam from Liverpool.}

26 Jun 2017 10:06:36
Hi Ed's cracking job mate, if we buy everybody that's quoted we are into the FSG for say £300 million once the don't want to sell and Liverpool add on is added, is it paramount we have to shift the likes of Studge, Moreno Sakho and a few others on to finance our new signings it's all very well wanting A, B, and C but do the non movers jeopardise the deal or are they going and we take some form of hit, we can't keep losing 3 million here and 5 million there and then paying over the odds it's a recipe for disaster, sorry it's a bit long winded Im just can't get my head round the value and the prize at the end of it TBH.

26 Jun 2017 08:43:42
Obviously Klopp wants Ox as an alternative to Keita. Keita for me is a Kanté with skills and better passing. Klopp also likes developing players to play new positions.

Could Klopp see a future Kanté-like player in Ox? Athletic skills, pace, good workrate and pressing he already got. Needs to develop a better sense of defensive positioning for sure, and improve on his tackling.

Just trying to make sense of it.

26 Jun 2017 09:19:22
The thing that Kante and Keita both have, is that they're intelligent on and off the ball. You either have that or you don't. You can't coach it. Oxlade doesn't have that intelligence, it's about decision making at the right time, which is something he lacks massively and why he'll never be a top class centre midfielder, he'll always be a very basic winger with a Steven Gerrard fantasy.

26 Jun 2017 09:24:16
I agree mate. I think he is an absolute steal at £25-30m.

A 23 year old, key player from a rival club who counts towards the home grown quota was never going to be cheap. Why should he be? Off the back of a season where he made 45 appearances, scored 6 and assisted 11 goals. His work rate, pace and power make him ideal for Klopps tactics as well. Arsenal have invested 6 years into his development and the second he comes good, becomes a regular and gets over his injuries, we are poaching him. You have to compensate teams fairly. We would be getting a player with about 12 years left of his career who has already played in the Champions league and the Premier league for a top level side.

Let's be frank here, Coutinho will leave one day. Maybe not this summer, maybe not even next summer, but he will. Henderson could never be the same again. Can still hasn't signed a new deal. Lallana and Milner are getting on a bit. Grujic is up in the air.

Essentially the only midfielder we have almost guaranteed to be fit and still at the club for the next 3 years is Wijnaldum. Chamberlain is openly a Steven Gerrard fan which basically means he is a Liverpool fan, and would look to spend the rest of his career here. We could get all the best years of his career for £25m and people are moaning? I can appreciate people who are concerned about his positional awareness, but the injury stuff is wearing thin. He played 8 more games last season than Clyne who was out most regular player!

26 Jun 2017 09:29:57
Arsenal plays the best pass and move football in the league and this is exactly the reason Ox never gets a start! He can't pass to play in the middle. He doesn't have the vision and intellegence to pick someone's movement up top. If you are obsessed with his physique and hard core running then Yes he is right up there alongside Sissokho.

In simple terms, We don't need another Ball winner. We need class on the ball!

Please post this Ed's.

26 Jun 2017 09:30:45
Well i don't know why everyone keeps saying that yo can't learn intelligence. Decision making comes with Experience the more you learn the better you can addapt to certain situations. It is possible to train how to play in certain situations and how to develop into an intelligent playing CM.

26 Jun 2017 10:01:00
Chamberlain started 27 games last season. More lies.

26 Jun 2017 10:23:31
All my Arsenal friends say they would be gutted if he left and believe he would get into our first 11 I'm not sure I agree with that but they love him there. I think for 20-25m he's a good buy covering 4-5 positions. Can't understand the hate tbh he has talent, he's hardworking, he's homegrown, he has experience, the fee isn't much in today's terms and he can play in several positions in a season where we hope to have many more games.

{Ed025's Note - but where would he fit in willis?, hes not getting in before salah or mane and possibly lallana, squad player for me mate and i think money would be better spent on the defence or a goal scorer as i think the middle of the park is sorted..

26 Jun 2017 10:50:00
As I said I'm not sure I agree with him getting in the first 11 right now but he'd be a great impact sub, cover for the injuries that we always pick up and experienced head for cups and Europe. If we're trying to sell markovic for 20m and we buy ox for 25 that is good business imo. He has talent and room for improvement.

26 Jun 2017 11:31:09
Mk ox started 22 games last season he also came on as a sub 23 times scored 6 goals 3 of which we're in the league cup out of them 45 games he played cm once and dm 3 times in total he's played 160 games which he started 86 times scoring 13 goals and in 18 assists which doesn't include fa cup or league cup so could be slightly more I know you like your facts so do you go my point being he's only played a position he's meant to be signed for 4 times and the other positions he is meant to be covering he has hardly excelled.

26 Jun 2017 11:35:35
did someone say he can't pass? yet he has double-figure assists. did those assists bounce off his arse into a teammate's knee and into the goal.11 times.!? lol anywho, he is definitely a squad who could be good enough to push for a starting place. he ain't some young buck to chuck on the bench and hope that he can do something when thrown to the lions, he ain't Ojo or Wilson. It would be a worthy purchase. I don't care about the price as the eds have told us time and again not to worry about it, so not worry about it I shall!

26 Jun 2017 13:01:23
All I'm saying is that Ox is seen as an alternative to Keita. Keita is an energetic, athletic midfielder who breaks up play, gets past opponents and put teammates into play. Ox has the energy, is athletic, canpass get past an opponent. He's not that good att breaking up play, getting in proper defensive positions. If he is an alternative to Keita Klopp must be confident about teaching just that.

26 Jun 2017 13:10:51
It was definitely 27 mate. 16 in the league, 4 in the CL, 5 in the FA cup, 2 in the EFL cup. My maths isn't that bad!

Also where are you getting these position he played stats from?

He played in midfield over 30 times last season either centrally or in a slightly wider position. Nobody here is suggesting he will play in the central role from deep. He will be playing right or left of a 3 like Lallana and Wijnaldum do.

I don't like stats. I think if you break them down then they can be analysed and used to support an argument, but they shouldn't be the base to an argument. I had to try and tear apart the "we score loads under Klopp" myth the other day because people are bandying it about as a valid stat, without any context or analysis.

So what if he made 18 appearances as a sub? Fact is, he was available to play for all but 3 league games last year. Whether he was picked to start or on the bench is irrelevant. That is Wengers decision, and out of Chamberlains control.

I don't know why people are getting upset just because their sweeping statements and generalisations are being torn up by anybody who can be bothered to look into into. As faith said, 11 assists is not a player who lacks vision. You can fluke a few, but not many players get double figures.

Forget stats and facts. Chamberlain is better than Lallana, better than Grujic, better than Stewart and better than Can in an advanced midfield role. He is also better than Woodburn, Ojo, Wilson, Origi, Sturridge and Ings as a winger. I'd even argue he is a better wing back than Clyne, Moreno or Milner. I don't see how he struggles to get games for us? He is in the match day squad every week for me. We need quality squad depth. Chamberlain is exactly that.

26 Jun 2017 13:36:55
I would welcome him with open arms, Arsenal fans really rate him and he covers lot of positions so he would almost always start for us if we don't go for keita. agree with MK on every word.

26 Jun 2017 16:24:27
Adam, you just know that if he comes he will now do his acl in the first week, don't you?

26 Jun 2017 17:24:49
Mk scouser is pretty consistent with the unpopular opinions. You want Robertson as left back and ox to be played through the middle, that says it all really. We have to aim higher than squad players, anyone with half a brain could determine that signing ox wouldn't be an improvement on anything we have in the first 11 and at the money being quoted it is a ridiculous transfer for an injury prone squad player. If your obsession is to bring in some British players then aim a lot higher, because there aren't any that are available that would take us forward. It's as simple as that.

26 Jun 2017 19:24:32
Mk, are you high on that stuff JWH say they smoke at the Emirates? Look, as much as I disagree with the way you try to window-dress a player like Ox who is not as good as you make him out to be cos you are drawing all types of things like "he is a SG fan so he will be good", the fact that you actually posted that Ox is better than Lallana is where your total and blind bias for Ox, went off the rails. Ox better than Lallana? Now that is the most absurd thing I have ever read in any of your posts.

26 Jun 2017 07:15:26
HI eds, I'm in dangerous territory of asking a question that's been addressed before but I'm wondering if you believe that Liverpool have the resources to pay £70m+ on a single player? Even with the new TV money doubling our record transfer seems a stretch.

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

26 Jun 2017 05:41:26
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Burnley Season Review

26 Jun 2017 07:55:54
Good review, it's interesting to learn a bit more about the players we don't get to watch so often!

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, they do take a while to put together as memories are vague and I have to check up each player in turn before writing it!}