Liverpool Banter Archive March 26 2012

 

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26 Mar 2012 23:49:01
hey not a rumour but just something that reli wound me up, i just read a post match report with dalglish blaming fatigue for the wigan loss, just like to refresh a few of yer memories on daglish interview few days ago, he was asked wer the players tired with all their work effort nd extra games due to the cups nd he made it very clear that it was a nonsense question nd that their as fit nd fresh as ever, how do they deterorate in that space of time? i would love to see kk success as liverpool and i do believe he's owed one more season but one, and one only it needs to improve and fast, novelty is wearing off king time to step up and lead the troops! thoughts?

Don't believe every thing Kenny tells the press. And he's unlikely to slate the players publicly, anyway. If, as is likely, he isn't happy with the team, then he'll deal with it behind the scenes. That is what I'd expect and part of 'the Liverpool way'.
Rigsby.

He has banned sex before match days. lol

I can't see much wrong with the play. We might of gotten a goal and things would have been different.

Slack play from CBK, DM cost us.

It's Kenny, remember when we see him speak to the press, he's addressing them, not us. Don't believe a word of what he says

 

 

26 Mar 2012 23:26:57
Liverpool are not i any sort of position to sign guys like cavani,hazard, higuin etc.
i think these signings can take us to TOP 4 next season.

ST-LUUK DE JONG- Age-21-Goals-34 in 67 games in
ST-JACKON MARTINEZ-Age-25-Goals-30 in 57 games

RW/LW-Hoilett-21-FREE
RW/LW-Redmond/Matt Phillips since seems like we might be interested in them coming from this page.

AM/LW/RW-GASTON RAMIREZ-21-This might be a harder/unlikelier signing though.

Mid and attack

.................Lucas.....Gerrard..............
..Hoillet...........Suarez...........Ramirez...
.................Martinez/De Jong.............


F5.

Two world class signing may take us to 4. But we are in the Rafa situation, where we are looking for a world class player on the cheap. We not going to find another javier mascherano loaned to west-ham from corrupt oil billionaire.

We going to have to keep taking chances like rafa did. When we signed some players who never made it hoping to find a diamond in all the cows**te out their.

Why does a price tag mean someone is world class? There are plenty of players playing in the prem who did not cost the earth but who are very effective. Modric,Tiote,Cabaye,Dembele,Valencia,Lucas Leiva are all examples of players who were bought for modest prices who are now worth much more.
And the fact we will have no champions league football does not mean we cant attract top players anyway.... Barca are the best team in world football at the moment and they have really only 4 world class players in my opinion... xavi,iniesta,messi and alves... The point I am making is that no team can have the best 11 players in the world at any given time because there are too many world class players around the world. Liverpool just need to find some undervalued talent.
I would buy Dembele and Hoilett for 10 Million each... I would break the bank for Javi Martinez and then I would like a striker who is young and can play with Carroll or Suarez if needs be.
This is what we need IMO.
JONNYBARNES89-90

 

 

26 Mar 2012 23:09:36
Just something amusing from the skysports webiste:

Top 2 stories on serie a

Inter Fire Ranieri
Inter to stick with Ranieri

He's defied all logic to still be allowed anywhere near the club...

 

 

26 Mar 2012 23:02:08
We need to stop the obsession with everything united.

Our club is trapped in our rich history & until our club re-invents itself our fortunes won't improve.

Jimbob

If it didn't happen so often I'm sure people would calm down, I'm sure,

Lee YNWA

Spot on. The clamor for Kenny testifies to that. Now some want Rafa. I guess Houllier and Evans will be up next. Same old same old.

With any luck our owners will prove to be forward-thinking people. God knows we need it.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:47:32
Just a quick question I don't think Liverpool owners have more money to invest. Let's say even if they do have it still they will not splash the cash in summer. Question ed when Liverpool was sold to these people why was it sold to these people? Why not any other company or person who can invest to compete with chelsea, man utd, man city etc. Do u reckon we can get more than 60 million in summer


Thankyou
Gr8 1 {Ed001's Note - do you know anything about them? Clearly not.}

While they do have an immense amount of financial backing (Henry alone is estimated at 1 billion dollars) they want to run our club responsibly. The days are gone when owners can simply 'give' money to clubs.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:42:26
Absolutely disgraceful! What a mediocre performance! mediocre players! mediocre team! mediocre front office! bad coach! Unfortunately the owner does not realize the gravity of the situation. LFC is really going downhill. It does not attract top players anymore nor top sponsors nor rich owners (last chance was with Dubai prince foiled by the person Rick Perry ! ). If the trend continues LFC will disappear from the PL and this is not far fetched. Where Nottingham Forrest has been the last few years? The Montreal Canadiens used to be the most prestigious team in hockey with 23 Stanley cups, now it is probably the worst organization in the NHL, lingering in the last place in the table. Mr. Dalglish, you belong to the past. Football has evolved, buying British is not the solution. In modem football we buy the best talents available, we don't go by nationality. We do not blow 35 millions on a player who proved nothing, a player who didn't even play a whole season by the time you bought him. Ditto for Adam, Henderson (another costly huge blunder), and Downing (more likely to down LFC than any other team). BTW Juan Matta was available for a price less than Downing by the time, we know now what he's doing with Chelsea. There is a good reason why Tottenham got rid of Mr. Comolli. Please someone tell what this guy is doing with LFC? Did he discover a super talent and brought him to LFC? nope! Did he attract a top player? nope! Now LFC is behind 6 teams, next season may be 7 or 8...
Mr. Dalglish please go back to being a LFC goodwill ambassador, go back to enjoying retirement and being just a fan of LFC. Mr. Comolli STP rentre chez toi en France, et va travailler pour Saint Etienne ou je ne sais quoi! The PL is absolutely out of your league.
Messieurs Comolli and Dalglish and co,. please let the real pros do the job for LFC! Mr. owner please step to the plate and do the right thing. Clean out and rebuild from zero there are plenty of experts available, Louis van Gaal, or Guus Hiddink, or why not the best of the best the special one Mr. Mourinho. No disrespect to "our" king , but sometimes it is better to speak than to hold it in . Blame the Manager , Blame the players but what matters is a unit. I am still behind all the people taking charge at our beloved Anfield from our groundsmen to our owner but as a fan it is better to let it go "the frustration". All we can do is pray for our future and we dont end up as mentioned above. I truly love my team " Liverpool" and i will keep doing . I am not saying to just sack King Kenny as we our no one to say all i am saying is just be the team and be hopeful that some professionals( i am not saying our King is unprofessional, but not at this era )take over from here .

Thank You
AJI

Patience is a word we should try it will all come together

gee man

Goodwill Ambassador!!!

Were not UNICEF

Lyndon

What a truly awful post in so many ways

Chris in Tamworth

Haven't the owners not long secured the most lucrative shirt sponsorship and kit manufacturing deals in the history of the premiership. 'standard chartered' & 'warrior'?

uneducated rant i reckon.

Your the disgrace mate.

AG

Well we seem to be some kind of charity Lyndon! giving all these goal's away of late!

I think its unfair to ask someone for patience when he has been waiting 20 years. Thats most of some poeples life, and for some people its more than their life.

I am as behind the team as you are or probably more ( not questioning anyone) but sometimes it is good to be realistic than living in a fantasy land. I love the king and adore him ,and he knows whats best for the club as he knows more , much more about the club . Its all an opinion or people may call frustration . Something has to be done , people call for patience but how much . We are the club who put English league where it is right now and we are the club who should represent this league { which is being run goons ( my emotions are running right now)} , but we are long way off it . Sometimes it is "okay" for your brain to take over your heart . It will be good for everybody . I am no legend . I am no manager , but all i know is how to support "Liverpool" . That is all . Call that post an awful post or a disgrace but it wont change who i am or who i follow . YNWA.

AJI

Spot on mate! I have been saying this all along that KK is not the man to bring us forward. I still admire and respect him as a player and manager during the 80's. But his days as an astute manager is long gone. We are now playing like a mid table team. Patience is a virtue but to ask us die hard fans to exercise patience after 20 years and to see other teams getting the better of us these days is ridiculous!! AJI is spot on. He merely vents his frustration like me as die hard fans. I have been supporting LIverpool since the days of Keegan-Toshack. I really hope that KK would resign if he really loves this club and stop giving excuses for the players like fatigue etc.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:35:32
Stats
12 penaltys, 4 scored
23 times hit post
Lack a finisher
Calm down behave

Pistol Pete

If it is so obvious that we needed a finisher (and I think it was to everyone) why did we not sign one in January? We forked out 35million on Carroll the previous year. Are we to stick with the current crop of players and hope it all works out? There are problems through-out the club at the moment which are more prevalent than simply lacking "a finisher"

SMc

We need more than one finisher. We know that they are expected to score the majority of goals but what we see at Liverpool is a complete lack of confidence from other players in front of goal. We have seen far too many instances of someone with a shooting opportunity passing the player so that it ends up again on the wing. The winger then cuts inside and the ball ends up on the other wing, is passed back to a midfielder , is passed back to a centre-half and if it's Carragher ends up with Reina who kicks it in to touch. Can anyone explain to me why the player who receives a pass gives it straight back to the first player? - this happens at least a dozen times in every match as well.
Dutchmal

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:26:14
The game was awful but hospitality was great. Alan Kennedy was comparing, met aldo (gentleman), Agger (didn't really like having his pic taken), Skrtel (we gave him motm, nice bloke), Hansen (obliged a photo), but the one guy that made me laugh was Phil Neal. He wore the worst blazer I have ever seen, something out of the 50's!
Anyway, the ex pros, fans I spoke to & the taxi driver all said we just need a striker. The problem is who?
A couple of positives, great to see Sterling come on, he looked tiny but he had a massive cheer, and me & my pal got hammered due to the free booze all day and the whisky sours at 3am!
1 question for anyone who knows The Liverpool pubs - what's the name of the pub that has a semi circled bar and looks like a cathederal inside? Good laugh in there!
Ultra red

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:17:12
Just a little message for all you fans and you 'big' club...living in the past.

A nice little reminder to Enrique and Carroll that the grass isn't always greener.

Toonfan

Alan Pardew isn't the greatest manager, as you can read about on Wikipedia during his spells at West Ham, Charlton and Southampton. We'll see next season as to whether it is or not a fluke.

A Charlton Fan

Mines is i cut it 7 days ago and fed it,its like anfield

gee man

O i dont know toonfan , could of sworn i seen them on tv not so long ago saying thats why they moved to lpool , while holding there shinny winners medal lol...............lfc

Could you please remind us of what you class as past? 1970's, 80's, 2005, 2006.....? Or what about February 2012!?

All the aforementioned dates(to name a few) when Liverool won Silverware, ya know, what 'BIG' clubs do! :p

As the grass is greener in Newcastle, could you explain what Newcastle have won/accomplished to justify your statement?

Thanks,

Lee YNWA

Just a little reminder Enrique & Carroll now have winners medals - that's why they left you...oh, nearly forgot...they're off to Wembley again for the FA cup semi-final, they wouldn't have got that either staying with you. So all in all you're talking out yer ass!

dd

Charlton fan!!
Nice one


Lyndon

Enrique and Carroll have won a trophy this year, so it is a little bit greener I would say.

LIVERPRES

Yeah they must have been regretting the move as you lot trooped off 3-1 losers last time we met.

Newcastle haven't won anything for 50 years so, despite current problems at Liverpool, it is laughable that you are attempting to bait us because your league position is better. But hey knock yourself out, I suppose Newcastle fans need something to cling onto because they certainly don't have any trophies or winners medals that are fit for such a purpose.

SMc

Maybe the grass is greener at newcastle casuse the fans keep spilling their 'brown ale' on it, (maybe puking).
Just a memory jog, how happy were you toons with Mike Ashley last season, I forget, what about poor old Chris Houghton sitting all alone at home still wondering what happened.

Ask terry mac , barny and beadsley why they left the toon and then. ask yourself why you had kevin and kenny as your managers,red mick tag

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:15:25
You lot are becoming more and more like cockneys with each passing moment. You have become a bunch of quick fix merchants that want instant success. Look at barca, the it took them a decade at least to get to where they are now and the fans had the patience to wait. Now look at them, the leading light in european football. Do you not see a similar trend at Liverpool? Granted, results in the league haven't been fantastic but it takes time to build an empire. The youth set up is in superb shape so give it time chaps!!

Ian the red

Fans didnt have the patience to wait thats why they wanted Rijkaard out despite winning european cup.

Also they do poach players fro time to time...

Ronaldinho
Fabregas
Deco
Pique
Ibrahimovic
Sanchez
Villa

need i go on?

Giving it time is all well and good but if the club is being mismanaged then time is the last thing that should be given. I do not want Dalglish to have any more funds at his disposal - buying predominantly British players is not the answer - especially if we are supposed to have a world class academy.

SMc

To continue that list...

Alves
Abidal

Fabregas wasn't poached they just took back what was theirs in the first place {Ed001's Note - actually he was poached, by Arsenal.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:06:34
Fergie continues his peerless journey of nurturing bright, young English talent. His latest off the conveyor belt is Michael Oliver...

Dirks Engine Room

Brilliant!

When Fergie retires, Webb, Atkinson, Oliver etc will have to fund their extra 'holidays' with honest work.

Lee YNWA

Michael Oliver (& Webb) should face questioning by a parliamentary committee.

dd

 

 

26 Mar 2012 22:00:06
Epl 2011-12 season

Jonny Evans - 1 goal + 1 assist

Stewart Awful Downing - 0 goals + 1 assist

Enough Said

DesiRed.

THIS SEASON

STEWART DOWNING TROPHIES=1

JONNY EVANS TROPHIES=0

Ok, lets talk about real trophies then.

Steven Gerrard - 14 years - "0" Epl medals.
Jonny Evans - 4 years - 2 Epl medals.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:49:32
Nailed on penalty, ref bottled it


Chris in Tamworth

That was shocking!! beyond belief ...

dd

I dont think the refs apart from dowd are up to standard for the prem league
mrbrown

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:39:17
Udo u still think we will go for texiera from xx gronigan

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:13:01
Whats Wrong with this Season?

Something has been bothering me recently which I couldnt quite place my finger on. until I read a response to post earlier in the day.

The problem with this season isnt, losing the matches, it isnt our league position. It isnt the players that have been bought or the money that has been spent. It was the promises that have been broken, the expectations which were raised and then not met.

At the beginning of the season we were told by Henry, Dalglish, even Gerrard that a top 4 finish was the goal. Other people may have said 'title challenge' but people within the club said (realistically) top 4. Everybody was happy with that goal, it was easily within our reach and that was before we spent any more money.

To aid this goal, money was spent. Didnt matter how much, money was spent on players which Kenny wanted and viewed as improvements to the squad, some for the future, some for right now.

After all this, we will not achieve that goal. I wouldnt mind not acheiving it if in the beginning we were told that the goal was to win one of the cups. However that is not what we were told. The cups were not part of the goal originally but have become our goal since we couldnt make our intended target.

Last year our league position was poor. This year our squad has been improved (if Kenny is correct and they are improvements) tactics match the Liverpool way and we now play attacking football (unlike under woy). So everything has improved, from the players to style and club spirit. Yet our league performance is the same. So I think any fans who dont believe Kenny when he says we are improving should be given a little slack because there is little evidence to substantiate this claim and lets be honest now...should we get knocked out of the fa cup nobody will consider this season a success. Our pride and status now rests on that trophy and we are still far from winning it.

i'm not saying Kenny out, not at all. I think he should get next year first to see if he is right about the signings and they are still adapting. What I'm saying is if a few fans want Kenny out and dont think his performance is good enough... can you really argue against it?

History is great, we and Kenny have it in abundance but everybody should be judged on how they are doing now. After all we didnt let rafa or houllier off because of their history they got fired. Kenny should be given a little more time but we should never make any special dispensation for him because we would then be saying that he is bigger than the club and even he wouldnt want that. Sometimes when you are so emotionally involved in something it becomes difficult to see the flaws or admit that you are wrong, everyone is guilty of this. Kenny is only human.

Thanks for reading, comments are always welcomed and appreciated.

*Side note - Ed a contact of mine has told me inter are interested in De Jong, you heard anything? Thanks.

Nevada {Ed001's Note - I am pretty sure Ed002 has already mentioned they are one of the clubs looking at him, I may be wrong through.}

We weren't "promised" fourth, we were told that was the target; but sadly, we're miles off.
Being without our three best outfield players (Gerrard, Lucas and Suarez) for large parts of the season hasn't helped. These things are be expected and dealt with, though. Add Agger to that list and how we've performed without him, shows the shortcomings of the squad.

Another thing that I've been thinking recently is- I bet we've lost and drawn more games that we should have won, than any other team. I don't believe that's coincidence or bad luck but I don't know what the reason is. A lack of self belief from the players, perhaps.

Things are not great but not as bad as some make out, if you look at the season as a whole. Confidence is really low at the minute and I think we lack mentally strong and confident players, which worsens the situation. One positive is- that we have new owners who will take action and invest in the club, which is more than the last lot would.
It's not all doom and gloom.
Rigsby.

I added the phrase broken promise for artistic flair. I simply meant we were given the intention of 4th place and we are well below that intent.

Thanks for the comment. Much appreciated.

Nevada

Nevada - signings who are British, signed from fellow Premier League clubs should not need an entire season to adapt. A quality player does not need time to adapt. Adaption is not the problem, quality is the problem.


Rigsby - If you don't win games consistently then it is not bad luck. We have, in terms of Premier League games, only managed to string a run of 2 consecutive wins together at various times this season - no more than that. This suggests we have consistently drawn and lost games more than we have won them. This isn't bad luck, or coincidence or whatever you want to call it - it is a lack of quality players coupled with ineffective management plain and simple.

It is not all doom and gloom but the situation is far from rosy - there is a lot that needs to be done with our club.

SMc

I agree. We should be challenging for fourth place, at least. Something needs to be done and I think it will be, but it will take more than just a change of manager. I'm not sure that's the way to go, either.
Rigsby.

SMc- you've got me wrong. I said it WASN'T down to bad luck or coincidence. There's clearly something amiss, if we are (or were) dominating so many games, creating chances but not winning them. I don't know what the answer is but as I said, it could be a lack self belief. Doubts creeping in when we are not winning?

Things are not rosy at the minute but for me, the main plus is that we have the new owners, having got rid of Gillett and Hicks. They want success and are willing to work for that unlike G&H. Whether that is with Dalglish as manager, I don't know but that doesn't really matter. I'm sure Kenny would stand down, or aside, if it meant bringing success back to the club. Under the previous regime, it wasn't that important who the manager was because he wouldn't have had the funds to invest. You do need money to compete at the very top these days and we have more now than we've had for a while.
It's just going to take time to get the right players and build a squad strong enough to challenge.
That's if it ever happens but we are in a better position than we have been for a few years.
Rigsby.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:45:28
I don't want LFC to make 4th and qualify for the Champions League (CL), I want to win the league. We have never been about aiming for 4th. Yes we all recognise the importance and prestige of the CL and it would be great to play there next season. But it isn't going to happen. We are rebuilding and playing catch up.

The only players I ever remember leaving to try and better themselves were Keegan, McManaman and Owen. Then in space of time of a few months we had Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. The club was reeling from these departures and financial mismanagement.

We nearly went out of business and have spent a fortune moving on some overpaid substandard players, we still need to prune a few more. Apart from Newcastle, the teams above us have more money and/or a more settled squad and managerial stability.

Yes we could do better. Yes some of the signings could do better. But we cannot keep ripping it up and starting again. We cannot afford to compete for the best players just now so need to develop a squad rather than buy one.

Winning is a habit and it is far more difficult to do on a regular basis in the league week after week, whether you have played well or not. This is what wins you the league. Our players have no experience of this and need to learn to win.

Give up on the League this season and prepare for next season. If we lose to Newcastle what will that show us? Nothing. Maybe the first steps on this journey are to win the League Cup and FA Cup.

How long did it take Ferguson to do anything at Utd?
How long did it take Shankly?

I will always walk on with hope in my heart and the players and staff at the club need to know that they will never walk alone.

Crazy Horse

You get fourth attract world class and then you aim for the league Rome wasn't built in a day u know

I agree crazy horse, but this is not 1970, this is not 1980, it aint even 1990. The rules and conditions that existed then do not exist now.

Fergie was put in charge of a team with little to no expectation so he couldve taken 10 years and noone wouldve raised an eyebrow.

Shankly was differet but again he did not have modern mass media to crank up the pressure perhaps if he did he would not have been given the time that he got. Its sad there is no patience left in the world but like it or not thats the way the world is.

Nevada

Not such a far cry... The difference between 4th and winning the title is purely mentality, not quality... If the sky's the limit why has man gone to the moon? YNWA
NextGenRed

Hold old was Ferguson when he took the reins at United? What had he achieved before taking that job?

Why mention Shankly? That era is not the same as the modern day era. Its the past, please I urge all fans to remember the past with pride but to not drag in into the present at every opportunity.

SMc

Dear bros and sisters ,

dont say how long it tool shankly or sir alex to win things ......

if u believe and u have confidence and creativity , never say die attitude and psotivity ......we can start wining from day 1 need not wait few years to start wining.

victory = right players with right attitude , believe , confidence and positivity + strong supporters

i dont think we need time.....we can start wining every game......just dont give room to the opposition to be creative and run over us !!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:53:10
Evening eds and fellow reds.
I have a question id like to ask ed001or ed002.

The first half of the season we had one of the best defenses in the league but struggled to score goals. Now we are scoring goals but conceding more goals then we score.

My question is, in your opinion why do you think we are having such a bad time in the league at the
Moment?

Im hopping the coaching staff have got the balance wrong in training as we were good at defending but couldnt score, now we score but leak goals for fun.

Also to all the so called supporters getting on kennys back, we are missing Lucas who would be missed in any team in the prem. He is a solid CDM who allows other players to get fwd.

Im not going to sit here and say the resalts are acceptable because there not. However, a manager will make mistakes but a good manager will put them right. If anything Kenny deserves the chance to sort it out. Remember we are in the first year of a rebuild so its inevitable mistakes will be made. Kenny, despite what people think is human and us humans make mistakes.

Just give the manager more time because if Kenny feels he isnt up to it, he would do whats best for the club.

All you people calling for rafa back have no clue. Look at some of the crap he signed, although he did do well with our youth. Kenny has more pasion the rafa, the footballs better and we've won a trophy with half a new sqaud. We are in the semis, of the biggest demestic trophy in the world and we are only in the first year of rebuild.

I love Liverpool FC and if you did too you'd treat the club, manager and players with respect.

Ynwa
Tizer red
{Ed001's Note - we just miss Agger, he organises the defence.}

Personally I feel that the team are completely unmotivated in league games. I dont even mean just now, I think against lower placed teams we have been unmotivated for most of the season only to have the team perform like a team of Ballon D'or winners whenever we play a top placed team.

Couldnt tell you why this is happening but its even happened to gerrard who Ive always considered to be a self motivated player. Perhaps the team needs a sports psychologist.

Nevada

So Ed . Agger's injury is the reason we are conceding that many goals . The question is why is that happening . I mean we are not the first team to face this situation . Defenders of other teams also get injured . It is not one player who organizes . I respect Agger ( to the core ) but that doesnt we should be dependent on him (considering his previous injury record ) . We should have been well prepared by now. In 2008-09 there was a belief that they score twice we will score thrice but now it is other way round . whats the point of being the sleekest of defenses when we cannot score ourselves.

AJI

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:33:22
I'd shake any man or woman by the hand if they started supporting Liverpool in 2009 !
Now that's what I would call a real fan.
Lol.
The Real KB

We agree on something at last KB!

Ash

Only as long as it was on Walton Breck Road though Ash mate.
;-)
The Real KB

Or after that as well.

If we continue on like this for another decade, I think our fanbase will cut by 25%, because youngsters will want to support the other top clubs.

StrabaneRed

PS: There's a solution though, Liverpool City could breed like rabbits ;-)

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:25:40
Not Liverpool related but can anyone explain to me why teams go to united and just roll over? Fulham are safe in the league, they've got nothing to lose so why aren't they at least having a go? They should be ashamed

It's probaby because my friend they know it's futile to resist the sith lord. Yet again a referee with a clear view of an obvious penalty against Man U at old trafford thinks first about the punishment he'll receive from the FA if he gives it rather than just doing what he believes to be correct.
It's easy to tell coz most top flight ref's now give a clear "no foul" by crossing their arms at the waist when they know it's no pen. Mr Oliver merely stared into space as if he was thinking of the consequences, note he did not jesture Murphy to get up nor book him for diving.
They are all afraid of being bullied out of top flight fixtures by Ferguson complaining about them. It's been the case for years.

They should of had a penalty though mate but lets be honest who's going to get a penalty at cold trafford in the last minute apart from man utd?

King luis

That's a bitter comment!

Teams do NOT "roll over" to Utd, Utd are just capable of beating those teams, where as we are not.

Take the blinkers off and stop being bitter!

StrabaneRed

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:23:58
Llorente,huntelaar,cardozo these are just 3 of the strikers we may try and lare to anfield! How do you rate these? I think any of them would be great :D let's finish the reason on a high and attract players like these.

Personally i think cardozo wouldve been perfect for a torres replacement when he left. Excellent player, strong, consistent, good finisher. I suggested him a year ago and i still dont know why nobody has bought him. Does he have some sort of issue eds?

Nevada {Ed001's Note - the price they are asking is the issue.}

Thanks ed. Any idea what they are asking?

Nevada {Ed001's Note - no, sorry, never asked.}

Dont know how much was true but I read that Llorente is on around £125k a week at Bilbao! May put us right off. Would love him all the same though.
Andy the red

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:10:07
Just after some opinions.
I was reading an article today and it was mentioning how quiet Anfield was against wigan, and I have to admit that I've been to 10-15 matches this season and have thought the same. Except Man utd and Man city the atmospher hasn't been great. I've sat in all stands and even the certain areas of the Kop has been quiet. I was thinking maybe because 10,000 tickets are allocated to members so you could get a diferent mix of fans each game would cause this but that still leaves 24000 season ticket holders who go regular and know all the songs ect.

Just feel the fans need to create that big game atmospher against the small clubs and really intimidate them.

opinions

You need to have a team that can intimidate 1st

And someone who can score, otherwise its judt a barking dog with no bite!

Maybe those fans who know the songs left early!.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:21:54
Everyone who,s calling for rafa to come back has got a point but he,s gota stop being stubborn near the end of his liverpool career he was a joke subs 65 minutes same formation never change no plan B an i dont mean the rapper what am saying is rafa is still a great manager an some of his buys were spot on alonso masch torres an some were poor lets not mention them am not gona slate kenny on here as i feel he,s had a tough ride already alls i want is liverpoo to be fighting for the prem but being realistic were far far far off which is sad for us fans

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:10:02
Alright lads,

Got it off a very good source tonight here in Dubai that there is no way KK is being pushed to step down, but however he is poised to move upstairs and welcome back Rafa. Too early to call for me as I reckon KK has a plan and will defo not let us down. Just passing on the info.

Markdxb

If his plan is bottom half of the table it is working.

Why don't we bring back Houllier and Evans too, while we're at it?

Time to move forward, methinks.

Is it a media release from the DIC.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:46:24
I've just switched on Talksport, Stan Collymore is leading a great debate on Liverpool, I would suggest people have a listen.

RedSG

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:43:26
I really think that some fans are being a bit harsh at the moment , Kenny is a gteat manager . At the start of the season and until xmas, we had one of the best defensive records in the league and were playing really good football.
Injuries first to Lucas and then Agger has left Kenny with no choice but to change our playing style.
And as for Kenny's buys , they are all young , still learning, and have taken a big step up. It's hard to gel with teammates when they have had to change their play whilst in transition.
I just think some people were expecting too much this year , but then if Lucas and Agger were fit , it may be a different story completely ,just gutted we didn't manage to get our back up holding midfielder during the summer or winter , but definatly think that's one which will definatly come this summer.
Good luck Kenny if you read these posts and thats end this season on a winning streak .
Gazza2012

A "great" manger should be able to handle the loss of ONLY 2 players if he hadn't spent money on crap young over priced players he could have had better options for replacing lucas agger and gerrard when he was out.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:39:41
Hey ed.
Earlier you said Manchester City have a couple of surplus players, Who would you see that they would let go in the summer? {Ed001's Note - well Tevez if anyone would take him, Owen Hargreaves, Stuart Taylor, Bridge, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Johnson and Weiss off the top of my head.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:37:59
Eds, question for you...do other teams supporters slag their players off as much as we do?? {Ed001's Note - yes, it is the same on every site, the same knee jerk reactions, one day they are the world's worst players, a day later they are the greatest.}

The only reason I ask is that I was thinking to myself what player in the right mind would want to join us when all we do is slag them off rather than support them when times are tough.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 21:01:43
I'm behind Dalglish.

The players need to play for each other.

Spriggo

Yah the team still up then 10th place so support keeny he will do everything to keep us in top 10 right .

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:59:03
Maxi is off to panathiniakos in the summer on a free :) free up wages! A out an out winger will join but the list is long we will have to wait an see who we get but I can tell you maxi has near enough agreed to join panathinkiakos.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:57:23
personally i think kenny should never have got the job in the first place, was not happy with the appointment but gave him a chance. his time is up now, and prob has been for the last few weeks, i just hope that when we lose to newcastle, and i guarantee we will that the following events might occur(1) kenny has the decency to leave of his own will or (2) leave by mutual consent or move upstairs. or lastly (3) sacked. any1 who disagrees needs to take the blinkers off...blind loyalty to a manager who picks the wrong team week in week out and is tactically inept just does not cut it. Give the job to Steve Clarke till the end of the season and give us some hope of winning the F.A. cup

Did you think that before the Fact or just after the Bad run were having!!!
But had the Day off thinking that on the Sunday we won the Carling Cup??

Lyndon

There is nothing wrong with his tactics, we have played the right way and mostly been positive. The problem has been motivation. The 'out of date' tactics which people keep complaining about are the same tactics which Barcelona and Ajax use now. Tactics influenced by Liverpools original implementation all those years ago.

Come to the game with a 'Kenny out' banner and see what you get you anonymous coward.

Ozone

Woner unhappy with hodson . but they want to wait until the season finish. Kenny was bring back for half season. but the support from fan make the owner give kenny chance. as Mr. henry say's kenny is a calculative risk.

Look its my opinion and it aint going to change...i didnt want him in the first place so obviously i aint going to want him when we are getting beat by teams in the bottom 3
david h

All 3 then!!

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:56:02

I remember a while ago people on here were saying we need a manger and about 2 or 3 years to rebuild and get us winning the PL title.
We're in our first full season with Kenny as manager and we've won 1 trophy are in the running for another final.
I know we need/want CL football back at Anfield, BUT, the players have not played at a CL level.

I'd sooner wait until we have players who will take us to the final instead of being knock out in the preliminary stages.
I thnk Kenny knows some of the players are not good enough, but on paper the stats probably showed they were good enough. Stats are only good after a game or after a season, NOT before a ball has been kicked.
Have faith cos Kenny will deliver, maybe not this season but next season we will.

MJ

One miky mouse trophy in penalty shoot out thanks God.

How are they supposed to get Champs league experience if they dont play in it?

Thought you'd be able to spell
Mickey Mouse
With all that reading comics and colouring in you must do!!

Lyndon

What's a Miky mouse trophy?

Ozone

Why spend 100 million on unexperienced players then. i thought young unexperienced players where cheap! the clubs saw lfc coming a mile away

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:55:38
Liverpool need flare, creativity and something young/new..

Time to let the likes of Sterling & Suso to get regular first team action..

2012-2013 team:

GK - Reina

RB - Kelly
CB - Skrtel
CB - Agger
LB - Enrique

CDM - Lucas

RW - Sterling
CM - Gerrard
LW - Downing

CAM - Suso
ST - Suarez

Subs:

Doni
Coates
Flanagan
Henderson
Shelvey
Carroll

@_sms92 #YNWA

It's not as easy as just putting them into the team straight away mate, they have got to be eased in so not to get injured and to adjust to the top level.

maka
YNWA JFT96

Like flanagan and Robinson? They where played only because we had no on else to play. And got the job done. What's the difference in playing Suso and sterling? None. Because either way you look at it flano and robo where thrown in that situation but at last resorts, if Suso and sterling were to be thrown in now they would have more confidence because they then they would be picked ahead of the current.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:52:56
Kenny- Agree = Stay next year
-Disagree- Kenny to leave

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:22:40
I have been reading some of the comments towards Dalglish and to be honest they are just vile. I mean we entered three competitions this season and we have won one and in the last four of another. Ok our league position could be a little better and its just our last two results that have been a little dodgy.

I think one of our reasons for the last two results is that our rock solid back four has been broken up. Eds any idea when johnson and agger are back?

Its very important that we look forward to newcastle and i believe that we can come away with three points which will set us up nicely for the run in. Normally when we have a dodgy result under kenny we come back even stronger.

king kenny is a LFC legend and does not deserve some of the comments on here by some fickle fans.

He has already bought us glory this season once and a chance again in the fa cup.

IN KING KENNY I TRUST.

Mighty reds

Where are you all in last 3 day's hide behind and wait people to calm. see you after lost the next match

Class a post that says where have we been all the last three days and its not a signed post. Obviously you have been not on here as i have wrote a few times ovr the weekend supporting KK. Up your banter please.

mighty reds

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:17:57
I've heard marco reus from one of the lads from footy who's bird works in the ground I'm not to sure whether true but thought I'd share! Liverpool need to bring in some stars now :D come on reds!!

He's moving to Borussia Dortmund in the summer.

maka
YNWA JFT96

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:17:06
Little paragraph from The Guardian that is rather thought-provoking:-

"If Liverpool finish sixth, it will equal or better the best ever Premier League finishing position for Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, José Enrique, Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson – a sizeable chunk of the Liverpool squad. While this does not necessarily prove anything, it does temper somewhat the notion that Liverpool are under-performing. There is an argument that hovering in seventh or eighth position is exactly where Liverpool should be, given the make-up of their squad." RED LENIN

That certainly is an interesting fact.

Buy winners to be winners. Buy mid table to be mid table.

Exactly!

It's the rest of the squad that has carried them to thier' best personal EPL finish.

Our defence is solid, Stevie and Lucas ore our only better than decent mid two, and Lucas is out to next season, while Maxi is a good squad player and Kuyt and Bellamy and Suarez are the reasons we've did well in the cups (against teams in our division).

Kenny's buys other than Enrique are all good squad players at best!

And Coates is definately one that will be successful in the future!

Other than that, he hasn't bought anyone good enough for Liverpool's 1st team, and that's been a major concern!

What's the point in buying a team full of squad players? I use "squad players" loosely to also mean average.

If Kenny stays soon enough our whole team (including starting 11) will be squad players!

I'm not too eager to see the players we are going to be linked with in the summer, especially if KD remains in charge...Hope we can keep our best youngsters, I think with a great 1st team squad around them in 3 or 4 years, they can become important squad player < (not loosely), and be the future of LFC.

YNWA.

StrabaneRed

I'd be interested to hear what heights David De Gea, Ashley Young and Phil Jones had hit before this season. So, were we supposed to go shopping in Manchester? Or would you prefer London? Either way, there wasn't much on offer there for us.

The Guardian loves United, and journalists love to write carp dressed up as insight.

Think the point is we haven't bought any world class players (although Suarez is not far off) and that our best player - Gerrard, has probably passed his peak.

What rubbish. Downing is the only one that the statement is kind of fair for, as he is 27, and maybe you could say it applies to adam as well but he is still just 25 and i believe has actually finished much higher than 6th with rangers. Carroll and henderson are young players, the good young players don't just play for top 4 teams you know. Here's a handful of media darlings united's current squad, none of whom were close to european positions before they were signed: Young, carrick, Rooney, jones, smalling, berbatov, Valencia. Yet another case of the media desperately trying to make up a story where none exists.

Red Ollie

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:45:29
Joao Moutinho? Any interest? Any chance? Just always his calmness and confidence on the ball and would only cost 12 - 20 million

TH

So by your thinking
Man city should not of signed Aguero
Liverpool shouldn't of signed Suarez
Spurs shouldn't of Signed. Bale
Chelsea Shouldn't of signed. mata
Arsenal shouldnt. of signed. Van Persie

Errrrrr! Back to the drawing Board

Lyndon

Lyndon what are you talking about?

BthekingB

Placed on the wrong post

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:29:16
No matter how the team performed, I am still optimistic about our team. No matter how good/bad the players are, I still believe in them. I always have frequent discussion with other fans on how good/bad the players are, I am not the one who rates player based on couple of their performance. I see how they are developing and progressing each and every game. I always had high hopes for Kelly and Flanno and I believe one day they will rise to be top players in LFC and so will Sterling, Suso, T.Silva, Henderson and Carroll (if he becomes a little more aggressive and take his passion for football to next level).

No players are born talented, it takes years of practice and passion towards the game to be a world class player. Our club, players and fans have passion towards football, we are just missing that "Go Score and Always Win" attitude. I sometime feel like when the team is loosing they lack confidence and team don't feel like they need to score and win that game. I think the team needs to be reminded that we are Liverpool FC, club that every football club on world fears to have as opponents.

I know past couple of games has been disappointing for us and I am frustrated too like anyone of you here but I don't blame players or managers or the owners for their performance because I am part of Liverpool FC.

We are part of Liverpool FC.

Live-On-Pool

Forwards goalscorers at 19,20,21 yrs of age would show definite signs of being World Class. If there not cutting it by 22yrs they never will. So forget Carroll, sell him on and buy better.
kidmillions

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:01:15
hi Eds, need to ask couple Q's
-in the summer, any thought liverpool will buy another gud defensive midfield? I feel playing 2 strong dmf while using 442 formation is a good one. Javi martinez is a gud choice. Any other suitable name?
-gud striker need to combine with gud winger that provide assist. Heard we are going for dries merten. Is he good? For striker, Luuk de jong is gud enough for us if we can get good winger. I see a lot of his goal because of good delivery from winger. If we buy him but winger not gud enough, it'll be buying another Carroll.
-which player expected to leave this season?
-why this season we are so little score goal from outside penalty box? Is it bcoz of pass n move philosphy brought by kenny? Need to pass n move until penalty box then only after that can shoot?
-our tactical n ball movement is not as beautiful as man united or swansea or man city or arsenal. Is liverpool plan ti hire another tactical coach?

That would be all.

Dtg'lfc {Ed001's Note - where would Gerrard go if you play a 4-4-2 with 2 strong defensive midfielders?}

For me gerrard has to play in a attacking role behind carroll and luis to get the best out of him. they looked great together against everton.

Danny

Wide right in a beckham role.stevies miles better than beckham.
We need top quality balls in the box to Andy carrol and stevies the best crosser in the team IMO

King luis

We need a better option up front than Carroll?

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:16:40
Give Kenny a night off tonight!
Martin Jols Playing 10-0-0 formation against Manu!!

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:01:56
hi everyone,

however we think the season has gone, in most/every game we HAVE created chances, hit the wood work etc, we just havn't put away these chances. had we, we wouldn't be in the position we are in at the moment. i honestly think we need only two signings, a true goal scorer to play with suarez and to free him up/relieve his burden and a right winger who will go past defenders and create for the strikers.

...riena...
johnson...agger...skrtel...enrique

??...lucas...gerrard...downing

??... suarez

true width, good central security two quality strikers that can form a good partnership. this simple alteration will improve the team dramatically.

comments welcome richy p

Your 100% right mate but i think your post is falling on deaf and dumb ears

MJ

You cant argue with that mate does look a good team when u put it like that just those two positions to fill but if its so important we get the rite players in to fill them...redman matt

..............reina
kelly....skyrtel....agger..robinson
................lucas
...johnson....gerrard.....enrique..
..........M suarez...L suarez.......
kidmillions

 

 

26 Mar 2012 20:00:41
I can't believe so many so-called fans have turned against Kenny Dalglish. Yes I admit we'v elost too many games alredy this season and some of the decisions made also in regard to players bought have been questionable but we are not the Liverpool of old who can attract the top players. We cannot compete with the likes of Utd and City or Spurs for that matter and we have to buy players at a higher price because fewer players want to join us. Carroll and Downing in particular were not our first choice and we should all acknowledge that. It's going to take time to build a strong squad and it's not as if we've been winning the league or trophies galore. In fact, we haven't won anything of note since 2005. Remember Istanbul! So let's give KK the time he needs. I am certain he's just as concerned about the dismal form but I'll always believe he is the right man for the job. Maybe he's not as tactically astute as Mourinho but Mourinho without the money of Real Madrid or Inter when they were spending millions (not anymore) would be appear ordinary. Come on be realistic. Now if Mancini doesn't win the PL that's a real disaster. What was the net spend by City for the past 4 years? Answers please. LCF's net spend was 40 million sterling, right? A lot of money...yes...but nowhere near City's.

Kenny not means Liverpool. so if you support Liverpool you have to support Kenny ? come on tell me honestly if any other man in kenny's place now what u say?

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:24:59
Kenny blaming fatigue is a poor excuse. If they were so tired why not start with Carroll, play Maxi and start with Sterling? Who were the best two players on Saturday? Flanno and Sterling, this is not a coincidence. I'm beginning to think that it's Kenny who's fatigued and is therefore making mistakes in team selection. It's been a difficult season not least because of the Suarez situation and all the associated press and pressure. The summer can;t come soon enough. Take a break Kenny and come back refreshed and raring to go.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:24:16
Talksport debate tonight on Liverpool
Worth a listen guys
Palf

Can't listen, it's Mark Saggers, he hates Liverpool, and Stan the "I love Liverpool, but slags them off any chance he gets" Collymore.

Sooty

First time I've seen it actually called "talksport" on here for a longtime!!

It'll be talks**te within the hour again I bet

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:19:26
How do we rescue this dire situation?

1 word...... Don Rafa Benitez!

That's 3 words.

Thats three and he aint the answer..redman matt

That's 3 words!!
Doh!
That's one word

Lyndon

1 word?

Chris in Tamworth

Thats 3 words

MJ

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:17:10
I love the way all the Negative Fans think they know best and know which new manager would wave his magic wand and fix the league position in the 1st 2 months...You know nothing about football or management compared to kenny dalglish, You probably cannot even kick a ball straight, If i had friends like you Negativos i'd push you in front of a bus, No support, No Loyalty, you just B!tch B!tch B!tch constantly its tiresome if you love the club support it dont stab its most loyal servant in the back, Kenny has not forgotten how to manage he has not been out the game for to long, He has got liverpool to play attacking pass and move football but the players seem to be unable to play together so if you are so much more a Manager than Kenny phone up melwood and tell Kenny why the players are being lazy gits

MJ

Worst home record in the league since 1954. It's not that we think we know more and could do better, it's that we think there must be a manager out there who would take the job who could! Give him until the end of the season and hopefully let him go out on a high, but in my opinion, we should get someone else.

Ash

Ash

Give him another season and if they dont start climbing the table i think kenny will stand down

True Support

Who like Ash?

The Irish Rover

I'd have saved us £70 million! I know that much!

Ash

There is no way of knowing that Ash, Rafa bought plenty of dud striking options, some of the proven over a period of time, Morrientes? There is no way you can hand on heart know that the money wouldnt have been "wasted" by whoever else was in charge. Give him and his signings another year i think and then if it still isnt working and clear progress cannot be seen, that's the time to be evaluating i think.
Andy C

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:15:55
Any one listening to collymore on Talksport, some good points mainly 80,000 seater stadium needed I think he is bang on!
Jim da Red

Do you think this manager, this team and this football will sell 80,000 seats??

I reckon LFC would sell that many seat's! if we had that capacity our financial reward's would be greater and our squad a lot stronger!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 19:02:02
Behind the scenes he'll have a different attitude and he'll be letting the players know that they're not playing as well as they can. They're letting everybody down at the moment"



- David Fairclough on Kenny Dalglish

MJ

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:54:34
Kenny stop defending them,its you gets the flack

It's the Liverpool way, don't slag them off in public but give them hell behind the scenes.

Sooty

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:53:44
Is Kenny hard enough?Or too much"one of the Lads?"

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:48:05
Come on lads were going to wembley Thrice. Zaydan123

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:47:08
Liverpool fc is like robin hood. We take points from the rich and gift them to the poor

Haha so true always play well against the big sides but let ourselfs down against lesser sides of the league and draws at home cost us. wish we had better consistancy or learn to win and grind out results 1-0!..redman matt

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:45:45
Kenny showing all the stubborn Celt traits,of defensiveness(should know-auld fellas one)Got to face up to the underperformances KK and move on.If you stay as defensively stubborn,It'll be your downfall.Everyone can see its way from good enough

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:42:50
Win F.A cup,and personally, maybe prepared to write season off.And let them all start afresh next season.Dont,And dunno if can forgive the S ite had served up to us all season.Shallow yea,but struggeling to keep faith

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:34:53
Kenny hasn't let us down,it's downing,Adam,Carroll and Henderson who have let us down.i was happy with the signings apart from the price we bought them for,i wasnt sure about Henderson because I hadn't seen much of him.kenny had a lot of balls to take the job and you have to give him credit for it,we are playing some fantastic football this year but were missing a Torres like player,we need a right winger and a cm.i don't mind the carling cup and fa cup if we win it this year.kenny should have another chance next year,it's the least he deserves after what he has done for the club.liverpool means the world to him,the man was in tears when we beat man city in the carling cup semi final,when we score he jumps for joy,how many other managers do you know who do that. Zaydan123

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:28:55
Hey eds, would u like(not do u think) KD to leave this summer? {Ed001's Note - no.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:19:47
Are Liverpool's owners ready to sell Liverpool?

Based on what?

Lee YNWA

You buying ?

Well they aint got no money anyway they cant afford to build a new stadium never spent in Jan and are too scared to sack the worst manager in 50 years.

How am I not Suprised you didn't put your name to that Drivel

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:26:28
Eds do you know the latest news on adam injury? Lets hope not too bad we need him for the run in. Also is agger back for villa? Johnson and bellamy back for this weekend?

Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - all the rest are possibles to return, but Adam has no return date yet.}

The last thing we need is Adam for the run in,hope we sell the waste of space at the end of season.

We need adam like a man needs a wart on the top of his yoo hoo.. have u watched an lfc game this season.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:32:32
"Im Not Clairvoyant".Hardly inspiring Kenny.Gives them a get out clause to be carp surely

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:24:08
Cabaye 4.3m ba free titote 6m cisse 9m then you compare to liverpool less money similar time higher position enough said sack him

 

 

26 Mar 2012 18:12:03
robben could be available in the summer if so do you expext liverpool to shown an interest ed? {Ed003's Note - Doubt it }

If kenny is in charge we will probably buy a rubbish unproven expensive waste of space

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:26:28
hey ed can u tell me the value of following players if we were to sell them
adam
suarez
carroll
downing
henderson
enrique
bellamy




vivek 12011

£20 quid
£30M
£15-17M
£8-10M
£10-12M
£10-15M
£3-4M
In my opinion
South Scouser

Adam well he,s worth a pack of fruity polo,s
suarez suarez 40 million
carroll he,s worth a 3 legged donkey
downing he,s worth a kinder egg
henderson he,s worth 0
enrique he,s worth 12 million
bellamy cracking player we got him for free so do the math

the realist take your blindfolds off people were a terrible team now FACT

Ha ha great evaluations

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:54:01
Dear Kenny Dalglish

Please leave our club, Your a not the right man for the job, All you bring to the job is bad signings, bad tactics, bad interviews, bad man managament, bad results, mostly a lot of bad things, You have dont the impossibe and youve managed to set fire to a sinking ship, Please, If you loved our club, You would walk away before your legendary status at Anfield slips away any further.

Completley soul crushing, David.

In Rafa we trust.

He loves the club more than you do

Aint that the truth!

Amen

Agreed, His interviews are so cringey, But lets be honest, If anyone else was in charge and was getting the results that Dalglish was getting then we would be protesting day and night outside anfield, We are showing relegation form, but just because kenny is in charge, we let it slide, our once great club is going backwards, in rafa we trust, paul55

A sinking ship doesn't capture Silverware does it? I really hope you're not going to Wembley(again) David - you don't deserve to.

Whilst I am beyond frustrated and angry at our League form, the signs are there. If you can't see them, then too bad.

Lee YNWA

David, it's you in the "in Rafa we trust" brigade who allowed us to get in this mess by not seeing how much damage Rafa was doing.
Nobody can deny that a major rebuild was required, ok I'm not particularly impressed by some of the signings but I still trust Kenny will put right what he's got wrong
He at least deserves the chance to do that

Chris in Tamworth

That was truly awful. It's you who should dissasociate yourself from our club.

dd

100% correct, If it was Hodgson in charge with kennys results he would be throwin out of anfield quicker than a speeding bullet, Whats worse is, Everyone knows this is the truth, But kenny will not be sacked, Our club is just getting worse and worse, Its a disgrace, no man is bigger than our club, he needs to leave now, Gboy96

Well said Chris!
As much as I liked the man
It should be "in Rafa We Trust to leave us with a average squad"

Funny how their so quick to slag off a true legend though

Lyndon

Chris that man Rafa who you all Kenny lovers slate is responsible for getting our academy on track on which our future depends since Champions league money has dried up and our owners FSG do not have deep pockets and we never may have that money as our legendary manager and team coaches are still busy in celebrating Carling Cup WIN.

Red indian

Did our captain not neaerly leave thru rafa hmmmmm
mrbrown

Hah at first reading your comment I thought although the amount of patience you have is poor, you have made some good points.

When reading "In Rafa we trust" I have realised you are just another Liverpool fan who doesn't know what they are on about.

Anyone who thinks Rafa will or even could come back and turn this current flop of ours around has no idea of how wrong they are.

IF we were to "get rid" of Kenny, we then need to take a few things into mind.

Who would replace him?
How would we know they are any better?How would we cope if we wasted another season with somebody who has to start from scratch with our club?

In my honest opinion, we have been chronic this season but I also believe a lot of our frustration has come down to 2 things. Luck and some huge learning curves. Remember this is effectively Kenny's 1st full season managing. He has been out of the game for quite a while and although He has made a lot of mistakes, he has also made a lot of improvement on last season of which he salvaged the second half of the season when he was made manager.

At least give him enough time to adjust before we toss him to the wind like chelski do every season.

The "In Rafa we trust" brigade always show up when times are hard.

If they focused the support tey give a manager that i s long gone to the current, maybe the support would help change the teams fortunes?
KT!

I need someone to explain to me how and why Rafa left us in this mess, I think Ed001 mentioned it once (because he never liked him), but the others who are repeating this sentence like sheeps, can you please show me the light. Yes Rafas last season was awful, but no where as bad as this one (league) and last year when Kenny picked up the mess Roy left behind he had a team that mostly Rafa's (except for Suarez and Meireles), he managed to push us up and gather more points than 18 other clubs for that period?
The way I see it, the mess started after we decided to invest on players who are n't performing not worth the money spent and the management insisting on playing them to justify the purchase.
Saying all that, I do agree with CiT , Kenny deserves the chance to at least finish this season (which what most likely happen), all this sack Kenny nonsense is just as stupid as saying we made progress.
Roy {Ed001's Note - what the hell are you talking about? I love Rafa, as a person, he is a lovely fella. But he is not the right manager for us, he spends all his time playing politics, he replaces far too many players each season and he will throw his toys out of the pram if everything isn't going his way, even though his way nearly bankrupt the club trying to pay the ridiculous wages the greedy players he wanted would demand. He is a massive part of the problem at the club, he left it in a complete mess, the first team I mean. But he is also a massive part of the solution, with his rebuilding of the youth academy for the future.}

Rafa never had £110 million to spend in two windows Chris. When you're trying to build a team from the bargain bucket, you'll inevitably going to make mistakes. Remember, he wanted Ronaldo, Vidic, Aguero, Silva, Alves and Villa but recieved no backing whatsoever. Just imagine....

Ash

Kenny is still manager for the simple fact that he is kenny dalglish, if anyone else was in charge then there would be protests day and night outside anfield, every single liverpool fans knows this is the truth, he is there because of his name, results have been awful not good enough, he needs to go now.

'A sinking ship cant win trophies'? Birmingham springs to mind! Win a mickey mouse cup and there is signs of improvement? Eds can you stop blocking my posts, i havent said nothing offensive. RedTurk

Seriously most of the fans here say that the club is in rebuilding process and i agree but we have spent around 120 million in 15 or 16 months and where r we ??

7th in the league 8 points behind newcastle the same side who got promoted last season ??? and they how much the spent in the last year around 40 million and they r playing way better than us

people will say we have won the carling cup so what every mid table club wins it once in a while so its not a big achievement the main priority in the rebuilding process must atleast be top 4 so we can get the players we want not if we finish 7th or 8th and compete with teams who r in cl or el for players simple kenny should go its about a single person its about the club and no one is bigger than the club

a very frustrated fan :(

Rafa is a vulcher flying around liverpool looking for a job we fell for his s**t b4 every one seen gerarrds face when he took off torres the man did not have a clue ask any malin fan as soon as he went there he fell out with the oweners he will do the same again he won a champion league with a team not his owen then got rid of a lot of them he tryed 4 different right backe to take over finnen did any of them work he got rid of xabi what on earth do any of yous see in him cop yourselfs on an give the king time he is ten times the man of rafa
liverpool till i die {Ed001's Note - Rafa is not a vulture hovering around the club, he is a man who is out of a job and happens to love the area and is living there. That is as far as it goes.}

The 'in rafa we trust' people what happens if you get ur way and kenny goes and rafa comes in and then hasnt got the team to the top of the league or top 4 in 12 months, are you gonna shout to get Houllier, eveans or souness back??

Wouldn't the academy be more to do with The Scouting System than Rafa!!
Great man
Won us The European cup. But wasn't that as much about him being forced to bring Hamman on rather than a tactical genius
and a lad who starting to get a bit of stick on here called errrr! Steven Gerrard

Lyndon

In raffa we trust im sick of people writing that on here he had his chance and promised us the league and didnt deliver. we'd be takin a step back if raffa came back. dont people remember th bizzare decisions he made in the last season in charge chasin games n takes off a striker n brings on full back. when torres was out we had only ngog! how can people say thhings like that about our best ever player is beyond me!kenny deserves 1 more season after this 1...redman matt

That's the funniest one yet from you Ash! Rafa has spent more money on players than any Liverpool manager in history. He took the job on & before he could put his own stamp on the team got them & won the CL. He then broke that team up, spent a sh1t load of money on the way & won an FA cup. Thats it! And I'm a Rafa fan, but I won't talk bull just to prove a point.

The Irish Rover

So which part was bull eh Irish? The money? The players? Kenny has been backed in the transfer window like Rafa never was. Think before you post.

Ash

£228'600'000 is quite alot of money!!
That's nearly what the club was worth


Lyndon

£250 million gross spend in Rafas era! Enough said!

The Irish Rover

Benitez's Agent is in the Building!!

Lyndon

Are you passing that brain cell between you both Irish and Lyndon? If you want to talk about 'gross' expenditure and use it as a stick to beat Benitez with, how about Kenny's £113 million spent in a season (2 transfer windows is a season before either of you start)?! Do either of you want to do both managers average spend per season and see who has spent more?

Ash

Ok what was his net spend?

Carol voordeman!!

Why are you netting one and grossing the other!!
Can you do my books as well as Rafa's

Are you his illegitimate love Child
Don't tell me you were born with the goatee!!
That's when it started to go all wrong for him when he started growing that

Lyndon

And how can you do an average Spend after 1 season!!!

Lyndon

AHH! is it that time of the month Lyn don? I asked if anyone knew his net spend as i seem to remember a lot of Rafa's signing's when they moved on we sold them at a profit! I:E Alonso Torres Mascherano Ngog etc! but you came on thinking you were funny! BTW don't give up the day job! No name Warrior!

And i was'nt comparing Rafa's net spend against Kenny's! No name Warrior

No name Warrior! Surely that's a Oxymoron!

And if you read it again that is not what you said. Think you were to Excited thinking about the second "coming" of Rafa

I'll say it again you can't do an average over 1 season
Lyndon

Further up this post Lyndon it was quoted that Rafa's gross spend was 250mil all i was asking was his net spend! nothing to do with Kenny's dealing's in 12 month's! i was'nt advocating for Kenny to be sacked or Rafa to come back i was just curious! And what's a Oxymoron? sound's like some narcotic! No name Warrior!

Rafa saved kenny. The very player that rafa bought(torres) got us 50 million. Only reason why kenny's net spend is less than 100 million. Kenny is c**p, get over him.
Indian Buzzer

I'm not sure who was netting anything Lyndon, but I can't be sure who that barb was aimed at. You were dealing with "gross" expenditure, so I dealt with "gross" expenditure. Simples! You say you can't do an average over one season? It's easy Lyndon. You take what has been spent and divide it by 1. It really is easy.

Here is a "fact" for you seeing (did you like that one)? Rafa Benitez's net spend (yes, "net" spend) over 6 years was £62 million (if you count the Torres income, an asset Rafa bought). That equates to just a tad over £10 million per season.

The man wasn't perfect, but at least give him his dues!

Ash

Been good banter with ya both

Lyndon

Oxymoron. Words that can't seemingly go together

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:23:24
I go into work will i meet my targets today or will i work hard...Yes or No??...Its down to me the employee not the manager so cut kenny a f***in break

MJ

Where do u work MJ.. Last I checked manager is responsible for buying these employees and If targets are not met then manager just cant say my players don't respond..He bought them..Live in real world will ya..

Red indian

Kenny signed the players and kenny gives them the tactics. Lets be honest he has spent a fortune on average players

Yes mj that is what you are required to do as an employee agreed, but if you fail so miserably to achieve your targets your management have also failed, firstly to achieve the targets set and also to carry on blindly to someone who is clearly faltering to deliver contributions to achieve said targets

It was up to your employer to make sure you had the ability to reach your targets before he employed you though

Its upto the player at the end of the day if he wants to play hard or do bugger all for 90 minutes all you idiots who solely blame kenny need to look at the bigger picture if i was your manager i could not make you work harder or better...The players have only been here for a short time and im sure he is sorting it out behind the scenes so Red Indian i am living in the real world

BTW i have been a supervisor and a manager and know how hard it is to get a team of workers working hard and its not that easy to just sack people on the spot so i guess i know a little more about team work and managerial skills than you

MJ

I agree with you posters 4 and 5 but No4 how do you know he is going along blindly sadly we cannot see what kenny is saying to them he could be screaming at them for all we know and No5 the players where doing there job at the clubs they where at but dont seem to be knitting together as we all would of liked ...I support LFC maybe to much but i think kenny is working on all the problems and will try his best to get them sorted out...He didnt win what he has won by being a crap manager

MJ

I don't attack other lfc fans but for you i will make an exception.how dare you post such rubbish and run down our beloved kenny he took a job no one wanted and is doing his best and in time he will do well we won't win the primership with him or any other manager because money rules at the moment so i say to you give up following lfc and go.to.some.money rich club where you can run down a different manager every month as for me thanks kenny for coming back and you have my full backing and you will always have it ynwa
eam

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:17:47
Hi as he is always so accurate etc. not taking anything away from the eds they do an outstanding job but as he comes out and tells us when something is going to happen also and we haven't heard anything from him. Macca, do you expect Daglish to step down as manager? If you do, who would you think our targets would be. MIKEYRED

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:17:29
Well said Sir!!

But the person who said your a true fan if you go to all the away games. What if you can't afford to go to Games. That's doing those people a disservice.
If you bite you fingers of for 90mins watching a game or are gutted after a defeat Surely your just as much of a fan!!
Should think the millions a year spent by fans abroad is also appreciated by the club

Lyndon

You can imagine the sort of person who disagreed. A Red in more ways than one!!

What if you live overseas and watch the games Gonzo old mate? My nails are pretty non-existent, and gutted is one way of putting it after some games. Are you saying Im a real supporter now?

Melbourne CFC

Sh*ep, I've given you an in there Melbourne CFC
yes I do think your a true fan
Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:11:19
Great post today from SP and the post later from Welsh boy Dave said all I want to say in response so not much left for me really...

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - can we have it in writing that there is nothing left for you to write?}

I hope you don't mean that Ed! Do you?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - of course not, maybe...}

Some one will say something and u will bite chris

Just read it myself chris. best post i've read about fans. i know he's got some people who think he don't write what they want to hear but steve parker is amazing at getting into an issue. read it and weep.

I've got something really hard to tell ya Chris? Ken Dodd's dog's dead!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:11:18
If Kenny wins he's a God, a legend, the one and only if he loses he should be fired, Thrown away like yesterdays rubbish, Burnt at the stake. C'mon guys where's the support Its 90% down to the players blame them they let 3 goals in against Q.P.R in 13 freakin minutes 2 against Wigan Kenny cannot do anything to stop our players dodgy defending or Skrtle giving away needless fouls each player Lfc have should be capable of 1st team football but they seem to be unable to pass a ball shoot at goal i blame Keen that is the only major thing that has happened Kenny plays the same whether we win or lose he treats the players the same so blame the players...Im not saying Kenny has not made mistakes but its the players not doing their job 100% on the pitch which makes us concede the goals

MJ

Who bought the players dinkus?
Palf

I think the issue Agger being injured and Cara replacing him and therefore our defense is back to its early bad performances. Skrtl has to try and correct mistakes Cara is making and has to make rash challenges resulting in either goals conceded or penalties. That is Our main Problem now

Cape Town Red

Palf your a complete tool what do you want kenny to do Sack them, He cant he has to work it all out behind the scenes Barcelona bought Ibrahimovic for £30+ million and he done bugger all so it happens to all managers that players underperform you just gotta give it time but it is the players fault

MJ

 

 

26 Mar 2012 17:07:17
Is Bellemy Injured ? or has he fallen out With Kenny ? i've tried search function ? Cheers

Got a niggling little injury mate

MJ

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:55:16
If you ask me, there is a marked improvement in our playing this year... The quality on the pitch has been tremendous compared with last year. I have seen the old "pass and move" philosophy make us look dominant at times. We are simply lacking finishing. We are creating a tremendous amount of chances... I don't understand why there are so many people calling for Kenny's head... Completely gutting our team and getting rid of our head coach would make us Chelsea or man city and make us an example of exactly what is wrong with football these days... I, for one, see that if we continue to play as we have, add a few to the squad, we are heading back to the glory days. Those of you who want instant gratification, go support someone else, because I'll be the one in a few years, when we're top of the table, who will be saying I stuck by KK when we were struggling, and I believed him and our boys all along.

YNWA USA

Except they'll be celebrating just like yourself, I and many others will. The past will be forgotten and their b*tch*n too.

Very well said Bud.

Lee YNWA

Great post mate , most lpool fans are backing the team and manager , because we know instant success is rare , but putting into place good things for the long term does take a bit of time , if there was a poll by all clubs this season - at various times you would of heard - get rid of harry , fergie , wenger etc , lpool supporters dont go along with fickle media or part time pundits , long term is the key..............lfc

I am flabbergasted to see the reactions of the "SO CALLED" fans...

Back to 2010, even a manager like Didier Deschamps said no to us....Such was the state we were in.........

Kenny cam in willing to put his head in the firing line.......Torres ditched us but he kept his chin up and has brought us silverware after 6 years......

But some fools simply cant digest it.....

I can bet that half of the stupid fans calling for his head would have never set their foot on a football pitch or football stadium.....

What has always served us correctly is PATIENCE WITH MANAGERs.....Instead we are having to deal with people who call themselves fans but have zero idea on how a football team is constructed........

Ed, I have a complain against you.....Why do you allow these punks to post it in the forum.......

Arent there sensible people who write and post good stuff ?.....there is no banter here anymore.......Instead we have whiners who complain day in day out instead of getting on with their life.......

What is the kind of gratitude we have as a society when fans start calling for his head despite winning a cup.....

Disgusting that we are bracketed in the same category as these derisory so called fans.....

LiverBird {Ed003's Note - Could you watch the language next post please LB,saves us a lot of time,ta.}

How long on you planning on waiting for lfc?

JWalk

Great original post. Kenny has healed the club from top to bottom, wage structure, dead beats, youth players winning the youth cup. we were down to the bare bones, and now he is starting to put us back together again. To win a trophy this early in the rebuild is amazing. we are going in the right direction mark my words, next season will see a big improvement.

Sooty

Sir alex got 6 seasons j , before he got utd the title , i would give kenny 3 seasons , thats all he will need mate............lfc

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:49:29
Feels very much a la 98-99 except we are doing better in the cups.

*All the dramas with Evans and Houllier not working
*Evans quitting before Christmas
*Macca saga leaving under the first Bosman ruling
*Jones' knee ends career (what a tough nut he was)
*Harkness sold (Houllier should have kept him IMO)
*And the only highlights was the blossoming partnership of Owen and Fowler and the debut of Sir Stevie.

But a couple of seasons later...... a few more additions and VOILA a treble (2001)

People should give Kenny another season to get a group together and find a style/formation to play to and make it work. Some here are hyper critical. Toffee fans would love to have done what we have in the new Millenium to date.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:38:50
Just a question for everyone really, who would you like to sign and why? We really do need to improve the squad to be able to challenge for the top four?!

Chris

Scott Sinclair & Fernando Llorente. Singred

De jong , hes only 21 , dutch , scores with both feet , head , is savy with other players with his passing and movement , think we should go for him , think he will be one of the worlds top forwards in years to come , plus he would link well with luis...............lfc

Sissokho, Fernando Torres Llorente and Phillips.

If players leave Kuyt, Maxi, Cole, Aquilani etc then a couple more(or promote more youth)

Dream signings - Cavani/Higuain and Martinez.

What about yourself Chris?

Lee YNWA

De jong, Shaarawry, and maybe Dentinho De Jong is playing well and scoring a fair few goals and Dentinho and Shaarawry are flair players with pace just what we need...And wouldnt break the bank

MJ

De jong,ramirez,matt phillips.maybe even jordan rhodes and loan him to a championship team

Messi will do lol

In my opinion I would like to see a real goalscorer such as soldado and then a creative winger like adam johnson, doesn't seem to be getting much game time at city and is a very good player to sit on the bench

Chris

M'Via, Cavani and Eriksen of Ajax would be the 3 perfect signings. But they are probably impossible unfortunately.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:26:35
Ed ben smith (the times) reckons that dalglishs job is not even under threat. Do you know that is wrong as you seem quite confident that the owners will at least consider his situation at the club? {Ed002's Note - People will have differing opinions, the Independent are going with my view. There is zeo point in trying to play people off against one another. Try writing to Smith and asking why he disagrees with me.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:23:52
What's going on with Dalglish?
Change our style of play? Play more long balls?

People criticized Rafa Benitez for his boring playing style.
And they always say they are enjoying watching liverpool again playing good football.

What's going on with your beloved Kenny?

This is getting ridiculous now. Suddenly we are changing our style of play midway through the season.
Maybe he should have bought better players who can play his lovely football...

Rafa was criticised for his defensive attitude more than style of play, we actually played some very attractive football under rafa. I wouldn't pay too much attention to kenny's latest comments; I doubt he'd openly share tactics with the media so it's probably not the issue at the forefront of his thinking right now

Red Ollie

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:23:20
Hi, i'm just posting this message to say..
I'm glad Dalglish isn't giving into the pressure of playing Raheem Sterling every week!
We have to be careful with him, he has the potential to be a superstar, but only if he's managed well!
Look at what happend to Walcott! He was rushed, and all he is, is just a fairly good but inconsistent player for Arsenal!
I think Dalglish has his pro's and con's, maybe the transfers are his weakness but he knows how to man manage so lets leave that to him yeah?
Cheers YNWA

You can see why they want to be careful with Him. The Lad looks young for his age!

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:13:34
Lots of people on here slating the season so far , but if you go to the LFC website they are announcing ticket details for the FA Cup semi final - get real kopites !

To the Cup double and beyond , here here .

Qwerty

Nice. Makes a change from your tedious "if you criticize you are a 'Kenny hater'" rants.

I'm always for this years Cup double and supporting the Manager during the next 3 years atleast .

However I dont use the word hater or rant at people - just my opinion . But I will take your point and run with it for the good of future discussion - no problem .

Anyway the team could be paraded around Anfield on an open top bus with 2 trophies at the end of the season , we have to be realistic and supportive - particularly now .

Qwerty

All Kenny lovers saying as if FA has already awarded the FA cup to us...lol..

Red indian {Ed001's Note - if you don't love Kenny, then you really don't understand the history of this club and what he has done for us. What a stupid statement. We should all love Kenny, even those that no longer think he should be the manager.}

Why bother going to FA semi final when we all know we won't win due to tiredness and carp players.

I get stick for saying 'COULD' be Cup double winners or 'MIGHT' win the Cup double ... the funny thing is I have a betting slip with the same prediction .

I think it is Ok to be optimistic , just a couple of hurdles to get over yet .

Qwerty

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:12:57
You can get odd bargain,but how are we gona attract the top quality needed?

Money

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:12:09
Kenny know all will have had a good rest by Sunday(Bless their cotton socks)Can we start to expect performances worthy of LFC?

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:10:52
Fenway/Kenny and co.Whats the plan to get outve this haze of average-ness?Cant compete owner,or Stadia revenue wise.Cant attract top players-no Champs Leauge.Fear years as mediocre cup team

 

 

26 Mar 2012 16:27:17
Thinking of going for trials at Liverpool next season,I think I have a good chance of making it,I can't do worse than Carroll,Adam,Henderson or Downing. Zaydan123

You might have too much quality to make the team. You have to be a poor player to get a look in.

Plus, you'd probably would play ambitious, for the pile of money and the red shirt!

Haha. If I were younger, I'd give it a shot. Even now, I think I can run faster than Carroll!

Na you all are wrong, Just 3 things are needed..
1.You should be really expensive to buy..
2.No football talent what so ever..
3. Wee man..LOl

 

 

26 Mar 2012 15:58:53
I read a fair bit on these sites and atm you scousers are giving your manager pelters ,get him out etc.

Surely if you follow that reasoning through and sack the manager then the next manager has to sell the dross he inherits and buy new.

Then this time next year when he isn't looking like getting top 4 you do it all again, how often do you think your club can spend 100m a summer on players?

Surely someone has to suck it up and say "He's our man we stick with him"

Me I don't care who you have as manager, but one thing I do know Utd stuck with Fergie for 4 years winning nothing and not looking likely to but now they are reaping the benefits. Somewhere there has to be a stand made or you end up like chelsea without the billionaire

Pardoe

Yea Pardoe but someone surely has to be answerable for so much dross.Anyone can make a mistake.But so many for so much?

This is a site people come on to vent their frustrations, a lot of the time the more thoughtful posters will steer clear of it after poor results because it's bound to be filled with mindless vitriol. I personally feel that it would be madness to sack Kenny so soon, we've had a couple of great cup runs and we desperately need some stability to build a new team. League results are worrying but our league performances, in general, are not. There have been a handful of games (Wigan (h), Sunderland (a), Stoke (h), Spurs (a)) in which we have been downright awful, but most of the games in which we have dropped points we have dominated and would have won but for some poor finishing. I have every faith that Kenny is the man to instil the winning quality into the players that they seem to be lacking in the league, and get them to treat every game as a cup final, not just the actual cup finals.

Red Ollie

Disagrees with my post re accountability You happy with cash outlay on Carrol,Hendo,Adam,and even Downing?Jesus yould run Uk worse than Cameron.There has to be accountability for all them errors and their cost!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 15:43:05
hi eds do you think lfc could go after martinez and sinclair and do you know who these ghanians we have on trial are and finnally well done to young lfc lads finishing 3rd in nextgen {Ed002's Note - No; doubtful; no.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 15:28:44
eds please give an answer.
In your honest opinion, do you think if we lose to newcastle on sunday and go out of the fa cup in the semis kenny will still be manager come next season? {Ed002's Note - It is a dumb question, sorry. To ask a "what if" question makes no sense at all. What if Liverpool win the FA and lose all other league games? What if Liverpool lose the FA and win all away league games?}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 15:28:05
Eds I feel for you at times on here, I deploy with military soon untill the end of the year and to be honest quite glad to be missing the crazy transfer window. I have to say though although I wanted rafa to get the job, I think we need to stick by kenny now. The signing I don't get is Adam? He is an attacking mid and kk plays him deep? I think he was a panic buy when aquilani was so good pre season but wanted out and stevie they new had a problem. I have stated on here before that I rate leroy fer, he like Lucas is a young DM who has been converted from an attacking one, he will be a Dutch international regular I'm sure, his style is a bit like seedorf. We have been looking at de jong but I really hope the scouts are really checking this lad out. You have been good enough to reply to me about him before and I think you rate him to.
I think playing a bit deeper with him and Lucas would help us out, cash in on Adam and jay and possibly Johnson and let's get fer, de jong and isla. If we had the cash erickson, but let's be reallistic.
Addicted to the site mate, when the satelite is poor I still manage to get on when every other site fails, keep it up and keep the faith mate.
RNred

Adam had a great first season in the prem and showed a range of passing I hadn't seen in a Premiership player since Alonso. With Gerrard unable to play every match, and with the hope being that we will compete on 4 fronts most seasons, he was considered a worthwhile purchase at the price to boost the squad

Red Ollie

I'd like to see ramirez in a red shirt rather than ericksson tho but the other choices are possible

 

 

26 Mar 2012 15:04:36
Do u think we have chance for robben without champion league

Oh yeah. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance

We have more of a chance for Christopher Robin...
And Pooh.

He'd be great for team spirit?
If he was made of chocolate he'd eat himself.
Even Beckenbauer was having a dig at him a couple of weeks ago

Lyndon

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:56:09
love this site,this is my first post,i would like the ed.to clarify this issue.who alway made the final decision about transfer target between comolli and kenny.thanks
from sammer
{Ed001's Note - final decision is the manager's.}

Did H&G force Rafa into getting Keane? and he had to get him

MJ

As I understand it, Keane was a Parry signing. {Ed001's Note - no he was not. Utter nonsense that was spouted by people trying to justify why Rafa refused to use Keane, when in fact he wanted him. Rafa had very good reason to get rid of Keane as quickly as possible, it was not because he hadn't wanted him.}

Ed y he wanted rid of keene as quick as possible {Ed001's Note - because of his off field activities, he is about as far as you can get from a model pro.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:51:01
Realistically Ed001, who do you think will actually be brought through the reserves to the senior squad?

Another thing is, why is it that we have changed the great way of playing reserve football? What I mean by this is by sticking players who didn't play in the first team game into the reserve team to keep them playing football and to give the young players some first team players to play with. I always liked this technique and believe it will benefit the young players a lot in the long run.

BthekingB {Ed001's Note - that was because we signed players on ridiculous contracts for the first team only. Rafa didn't like the like of competitive edge in reserve games and thought it was more helpful to have them training with the first team. I think, personally, that was his biggest mistake of all, the fringe players only get training matches and then we wonder why they look woeful in the few games they actually get. It takes a few games to get your touch back etc after a break from games. I agree, that should have been the first change made, any player not playing in the first team should be available for the reserves. The kids learn a lot, they also get to know each other ahead of time for when one gets a break into the first team, the first teamers also get their feet kept on the ground a bit more and it increases the crowds watching. I just don't see how the negatives, risk of injury for instance, can possibly outweigh those positives.}

Our track record of developing players from the reserves is so poor recently, that something clearly is not working. And I'm sorry, Kelly is not "England's future right back" from what I have seen of him.

Kelly is england Future CB not RB..His attacking lacks but his defending is good and he looks a CB.

Red indian

I totally agree ed001. Spot on.

BJH YNWA.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:39:21
regarding dalglish.

I would be surprised to see him gone next season. i think that would be the smart thing aswell. see how good he does untill christmas. we live in a now society. i get that you all say well top 4 is liverpool standard. i understand. it is frusturating. but we must puck a plan and stay with it. dalglish cleaned ship from a team that almost had us relegated. we are now top 7. top 4 was almost an impossible task to be honest. especially with other teams pick up the pace. all the signings we made were great at there respective clubs (price was a little high) they just don't seem to want to play for the red shirt. i expect henderson to become a great CM when he is played in that posistion. next season is a new season lets see where we start. we need to get an instinctive striker to begin with. someone that actually goes to the net.

now eds here is my question. how much interest do we still have in luuk? i personnally feel he would fit into our new faster style of pace under dalglish.

question 2 is andy going to be sold? i believe he has a great talent. he however just does not fit into our style of play sadly.

question 3 i know we are suposedly looking at RW's but what about toni silva of our academy who is on loan. do you see him making a move up wilst fighting for a spot with another RW? possibly luuk? {Ed001's Note - we are still monitoring Luuk De Jong. Nothing has been set in stone regarding Carroll's future, but right now it is not likely that he will be moved on. Toni Silva was sent on loan to see if he could be ready, he has done well, but not shown a readiness for the Prem. I expect him to have a loan again next season, but at a higher level, before being given a shot in the first team.}

Yes but you see Dalglish himself isnt sticking to the plan is he? he promised top 4, and did not deliver therefore he did not stick to the plan that he himself set. How can any other fan be criticised for wanting dalglish gone when he is not upholding his side of the bargain. We have been, been to all the games, we've been paying for sky, shirts, chanting his name and the name of players.

I understand that he should be supported but all I can say is that he shouldnt make promises he cannot deliver. The first season he had reasons, namely that he was only in charge for half a season and worked miracles with what he had. This season he has been backed by everybody and had the team all year and the players that he wanted.

Perhaps he should set his sights in a more reasonable fashion next year then people will not be disappointed. Even if we win the fa cup I will still consider the season a failure because we did not achieve our primary goal. Had our primary goal been to win a trophy and league position been a secondary goal then who could argue it wasnt a success. As it stands though, Dalglish set the primary goal of top 4 finish, and did not deliver.

Just a thought what happens if we had got champions league this yr, with sum of the players having no experience in europe. would we have been imbarrassed if we meet teams like barca getting thrashed 5maybe 6 nil.
we are in the europa league teams tht are at the same level as us, good experience and a chance to play a cpl of the youngins.
i believe tht this way will be better pushing for 4th next yr and give our players europian experience.in other words build a ship rather than sink it.

Kenny has never once mentioned where we would finish if im correct he said we would play all our games and then count up all our points and see where we are

gee man

We are "now top 7". Were we not top six last year? And what happens if are 8th or 9th in a week or two, as is entirely likely? Sorry, but I am seriously worried.

I think I clearly remember him mentioning the goal of top four finish at start of season. Of course, every decent team will say that.

He said at the start of the season that finishing in the top four is te priority

With the money spent finishing outside the top 4 is not good enough! We know that! Kenny know's that! And last but not least the owner's know that!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:24:17
Whe is everyone on hear ignoring the fact that Suarez once again tryed to cheat by putting the ball in the net with his hand what a disgrace to Liverpool FC any player should get an instant RED card if they are trying to cheat once againg he shows his lack of class Liverpool can do so much better than this racist cheat he has not done much for the club but bring them bad publicity and a hand full of goals if he was playing under anyone els he would be in the reserves by now just for they way he acts KK is to loyal to him I would rather have carol playing more stats dont lie liverpool are better with carrol

When did he do that?

MR EM

P**s off mate, he was jumping for the ball! You really need to remove that chip from your shoulder. Not glass houses - just let it go.

Lee YNWA

Yet another fan fearful of Suarez. get a life and back on your own page troll.

Taffytel

Yah all he is trying to say is that suarez is a danger man and can do anything to get a goal, mate we are liverpool, fear us or love us, we shall never walk alone, till then get a life


redh0t

As an Arsenal fan, I don't think that was in anyway cheating. People always moan about his Uruguay handball, but it just shows passion that he has for playing football.

I don't want to seem rude but he is one of your best players at the moment and deserves some credit for all he has done.

So either be productive or P**s off!

NG

How delusional and bias can Liverpool fans be

Do you realise that makes you Biased by saying that was a deliberate handball when it clearly wasn't
You Plonker!

Lyndon

Lyndon

No one jumps with there hand infront of there chest its clear he was trying to cheat {Ed001's Note - not true at all. If you really think that then you are deluded. Suarez might well have been trying to cheat, that only he can tell you, but the other is just idiocy to say. When a ball is bouncing around the face a person will often draw their hands up in front of them, which was the situation there. Whether it was a reflex action to knock the ball in or a deliberate attempt to cheat only Suarez will ever know for sure though.}

The ball was spinning. have any of you, ever played football?
kidmillions

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:20:40
I know I will probably get "hammered" for this, but here goes.

I have just been reading a article about 'Pioneers in business', and over the long term how bad they actually were for a business.

This got me to thinking about the KK and LFC situation.
Without a doubt KK is the greatest player ever for LFC and a absolute legend, and my absolute hero.
But therein potentially lies the problem, as he casts such a massive shadow over Anfield, that the players (many of whom are young, new, and let's say impressionable) are just overwhelmed by it, its almost like children wanting to please their parents.
Consequently these players are not able to function as thinking adults, but only want to please the parent figure, and in their attempts to do so forego and abandon their normal style, personality etc.

I thin og Man u, where you have Sir Bobby Charlton, a legend, but he is somewhat removed from the team.
Maybe the role that Sir Bobby Charlton has at Old Trafford, should be the role that our living legend KK has at Anfield.
More a mentor, figurehead and representation of all that is great about LFC.

Just a thought.
Pumplin Express.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:14:52
Hi fellow reds. New to the site over the past few weeks and some good and depressing stuff on here. Sort of agree with most people about getting behind the team. also think we need to listen to people who say we should question the manager as well.
Reading a long piece by SP titled "The Irritation of king Kenny" and was gobsmacked about how some people see other fans. It was a really interesting thing as it asks us to look at ourselves. He got it dead right for me and liked the amusing bits as well! We should support each other in my book.
David Y

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:09:17
WelshBoyDave just read your post and like it. I agree SP's post was awesome and he said so many things we also think iis tru about supporting the club. I'm 20 and my m8s are same ages and sometimes you feel that people are always having a go when you say your a red and they say your just kids. That's why SP's comments are so spot on. I'm a real supporter and tho I know about Dalglish and what he means to the club he is still not the greatest manager. I want to see us do better than finish in the top six this year but as SP says , we need to be realistic. Keep writing WelshBoyDave and thanks for the words. It ain't rude to say your no SP but still good :)

 

 

26 Mar 2012 14:03:06
Why is it, the owners spend hundreds of millions on their redsox team but we have to listen to the "can't spend big" speech? Our owners surely would know that if they spend big short term, we will reap the benefits long term. {Ed001's Note - because the Red Sox make hundreds of millions to spend, while Liverpool is operating at a loss.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:42:20
Dunno about yourself (Ed001) and fellow Reds,  but I've played footy to a pretty high level.  When things like posts/crossbars, an inability to score, lots of new players being integrated and a home crowd as flat as a pancake - you feel deflated no matter what.  (although Keen is starting to raise an eyebrow)

I agree that last season was completely different, but winning 'consistently' breeds confidence.  We haven't done that at all, full stop.  The only thing keeping the morale up is the cups and Kenny.  We no longer have Torres and Gerrard to pull us up from the mire...(how many late goals did those two use to get?). 

This is the squad I would use for 2012-2013:

GK: Reina (needs a kick up the ass!)
RB: Johnson, Kelly(too many injuries)&Flanno.
CB: Skrtel, Agger, Coates, new CB 
LB: Enrique and Robinson

RM: New RW & Suso/Silva
CM: Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Adam and Sissokho
LM: Downing, Sterling and Bellamy

ST: Carroll, Kuyt, Suarez, New ST

Others of note (Resi's or back up) - Jones (New Gk), Carragher, Maxi(staying?), Spearing, Wilson, Aurelio, Morgan, Mclaughin, Adorjan...

Spearing has been giving his all, what's new!  But he simply isn't good enough for LFC going forward.  The same for Carragher - LEGEND.

To conclude, I haven't seen this inconsistency for a very long time.  I'm not saying I'm right and the squad above is the way forward, but from what I've seen so far (glimpses), we have the foundations of a very good team.  

Ps Ed001 -Where do you think Gerrard should play next season, ala Scholes or behind the front man?  

Cheers

Lee YNWA  {Ed001's Note - but we were struggling last season too, but the staff came in and raised morale, this season that is not happening. Even a win doesn't seem to boost things.
I am still torn on Gerrard, I have always liked him on the right, he was superb there for us and we lack any real options there. He does seem to be developing a good partnership with Spearing, but then we change tactics and they have to start all over again.}

Jonjo was on my midfield list, must have accidentally deleted somehow!

Ed001 - You just know that Gerrard will not play there, even though he would prob be the best RM in the league after a run of games, haha.

Usually we, as fans, can (kind of) offer a solution to our problems. But the way it had gone so far, more 'downs' than 'ups' ... It has me completely stumped!

Ed001 - Do you think our crowd will spice up next season? Or do you think the inconsistency (22 years) has taken its toll? The owners should seriously look into this, not taking anything away from our away fans - they're fantastic.

I think the Utd lot moan a lot about Phelan, but they keep winning? It can't just come down to confidence, just look at 75% of our games this season - sexy football, bar the most important part, Goals..

Answers Ed, We need answers! :)

Cheers,

Lee YNWA


{Ed001's Note - I know Gerrard probably won't play there, but I don't see him as the answer behind the striker, it wastes too much of his ability there. Central midfield and give him a settled partner (as much as possible) and tactical style of play for him to settle into. Right now we do too much fiddling with the tactics and style of play for my liking. Paisley did make changes to them for every game, but the changes were very small and he would only ask the brightest of players (ie Dalglish) to make any major change to their game. Unfortunately, I think Dalglish has taken that from Paisley but failed to make the same allowances that Sir Bob did for the lack of intelligence of the average footballer.
As for the crowd, I think the only way it will change is if groups of people get to sit together. Just sell tickets in areas, rather than specific tickets for specific seats, and allow groups to move to sit themselves together. It is much easier to get songs and chants going when you have a group of mates joining in immediately. If you try and do it on your own, well try it and see and get someone to video it so we can see how much of a tit you end up looking, it might cheer us all up!}

! I certainly don't need to sing out loud to look like a tit - I'm a natural!

I see what you're saying re Dalglish and learning from the best. He must be pulling his hair out with our inconsistencies..

I think the only game I'm able to make is Swansea end of season..If I start singing in the away end, well I fear for my life if I'm honest! :/ ( no double standards, just common sense!)

Thanks for your input Ed001, know you're busy.

Lee YNWA

I say away end, meaning 'home' for Swansea! Going with a few Welsh lads..

Lee YNWA

Ed, what do you think the reason is for morale being so low that even a win doesn't boost things? Is it because they have been far from the Champions League places most of the season? Or is there a deeper-lying problem we aren't aware of? It seems really strange to me that the Carling Cup win hasn't inspired us to push on and fight for 4th. We've been playing almost as if we lost that game, and lost our belief because of it.

Ryan 'O {Ed002's Note - Losses bring problems with confidence. Then injuries, bad luck, poor judgement, lingering issues, bleating fans etc. just add more pressure. As for morale, I don't know. As for morals, certainly lacking in one or two players but most seem good, clean cut kids.}

Ed002, I'm tempted to ask what you know about the lack of morals of certain individuals and what we don't... Then again I'm not sure if I really wanna know what you know, you know? What if it warps my good, clean cut mind!?

Ryan 'O

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:35:03
Something that stood out to me recently was how before the QPR game the media was full of "Kuyt demands first team football or else...". That made me wonder, didn't he say in some interview before how having a bigger squad is beneficial for the team because there is competition for the various positions and all? Then he started the next 2 games with Suarez and we all know what was the outcome. I think to demand first team football is a selfish attitude, putting yourself above the team's needs and him being 31 is not even realistic that much, and I don't even want to mention Carragher....Playing Carroll along with Suarez I think just started to work out, so we should start AC as much as possible IMO, he needs match time, and Kuyt coming up as a sub still works but I guess if he's not okay with that then he should look for other options. (Inter etc.) I do like Kuyt and think he is and was a great servant to the Club but even him, not to mention our number 23 have to submit to the needs of the team as a unit first of all.

HK

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:27:09
well everyone else is giving there views so think il give mine. I dont think its kenny's fault (some buys tho) and in buys i dont mean the players but positions. I just dont think we have a good enough squad to play 442 or 4231.
When we play 442 i feel the midfield is lacking, as in we dont have two very good wingers, we have one in downing, who hasnt been the best, but even when he was having his poor spell he was still putting in some quality crosses. In the centre if we play gerrard and adam there is no cover, i thought we played well with spearing and gerrard.
Now when we 4231 we struggle as torres played well on his own. Carroll is not good enough to play on his own and looks frustrated and looks to give up, I also think if we play suarez on his own, we dont get the best out of him, hes not the player to play up top on his own. Then the midfield we all know how much we miss lucas, but i cant see gerrard henderson and adam playing in the middle together. I just dont think we have a good enough squad for either formation which we seem to play.
I think next season we will see the best of downing and maybe henderson, but I have seen glimpses of his quality with some perfect through balls. I think we are gonna see carroll maybe gone in the summer, its just not working and i dont think it will, as much as i wish it would.
I dont like to slag the players but i for one would not be sad to see the back of adam, his set pieces have been dreadful, and gives away so many needless free kicks. I dont think he is offering us anything at the moment.
As everyone has said id like to see a striker come in summer and a decent winger, with sterling getting a few more chances. id also like to see a cheap young striker to come in as cover, someone like david texeira, and start to bring in morgan after him in a few years. Also a creative midfielder, gaston ramirez, kagawa. Sorry it sounds like im playing fifa.

Anyway thats my input, whether anyone gives a shi'ite.

Kopbob

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:21:49
REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL PART 1
youth/young players
jon flanagan-19
raheem sterling-17
adam morgan-18
jesus suso-18
andre wisdom-19
jonjoe shelvey-20
jack robinson-19
sebastian coates-21
jordan henderson-21
martin kelly-22
andy carroll-23
money and the new fair play rules, the outlook,
forget all the media hype , this is taken from the accounts of the club-
net spend in last 14 months- 40 million
wage bill has been reducued by 30 million
new commericial deals , and increased anfield ground improvments will give us increased money stream for our future.
on the playing side , most of us knew we were a forward short this season , back in nov , with a lot of bad luck in front of goal its been below par in the leauge , but we are still fighting for 2 cups , so not all doom and gloom , football is more than instant success or failure , but a bit of both................lfc

Great post...
Keep the faith ynwa

Phooey

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:15:59
As much as I hate people slagging off our club sometimes you have to concede that they have a point. Take our ground for instance we all say how great it is and the atmosphere is the best around when the truth is its not. When you look at the grounds of Utd, city and arsenal they are a lot better than ours and as for the atmosphere I was at the stoke game last week and to be honest they showed us up with there singing (even if what they were singing was pretty rubbish they were very very loud) and its only us fans that can change that it used to be that the team would lift the fans now just maybe its the other way round we have to remember we are not the team we used to be although I do believe we are getting there we just need to stick by the team and especially Kenny. Don't know what the point of my post/rant is but I do know we should get behind the team

Mat lfc

You have a point mate. I was at the wigan game and actually believe that the strange, negative atmosphere actually contributed to the way we played and the result. We all have to play our part. The atmosphere should be better than that.
Kev7

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:10:04
Eds, Not a rumour. But what does Comolli's job actually involve? We seem to be watching players all over the planet that everyone has heard of, I could recommend we buy players within the 8-30million bracket. I don't think that is a full-time job. Where are the undiscovered talents for minimal fees? Our scouting network must be very poor. {Ed001's Note - he does a number of things, setting up and running the scouting network is just a part of it. His main role seems to entail sifting through mountains of statistical data to try and unearth hidden gems. It is not as easy as it sounds, you have to know which bits of data are the relevant ones, how to compare data etc etc. You can't just say one bloke is working harder because he covers more distance, he might only amble about the pitch not achieving anything. It is figuring out what to look for that is the key.}

Everyone was slating him for Bale not so long ago right? Modric, Berbatov..
How can you pass judgement on our signings so quickly? I know Lucas wasn't a Comolli signing, but just think...

Lee YNWA

 

 

26 Mar 2012 13:09:42
How can we challenge for the fourth spot with likes of silva toure aguero nani valencia rooney bale modric mata drogba van persie rosicky all playing against us. Can you tell me a single lfc player who has performed at this level...? No because we don't have the squad strength to compete with these teams. We just have a mediocre side. We should be compared to newcastle not the top 5 sides. Paying stupid amount of money for average players doesn't make them world class. Our summer buys were not bad but money paid for them were stupid. We could have gor very talented bunch of players across. Europe and south america gor such amount of money. Next season if we get some top players we will have a good strong squad. Downing hwndo caroll adam are not first team players for top team theyare squad players at best.
Musicnation

 

 

26 Mar 2012 12:59:45
Kenny's tactics is to be blamed for playing Hendo on the right again and again but leaving that aside his tactics are not to be blamed. I agree with eds when they say our coaching staff might be at fault. Playera have to take responsibility. Even suarez is hitting posts again and again. Downing i don't know what he does on the field. Agger and. Lucas absence is also a very important factor. Reina also seems sluggish. We don' need a major overhaul but a little fine tuning ang bringing in few top class players might help.
Musicnation

? would u play there thats is any better ???
liverpool till i die

Who would I play there?
Kuyt, Gerrard, Bellamy, Johnson, Sterling, Shelvey and even Kelly
All of them are better than Hendo. He has got some talent and we do see glimpses of good passes, but he lacks heart IMO. Cant tackle for toffee, goes missing all time and is not ready. I personally think Shelvey is much better player.

Taffytel

 

 

26 Mar 2012 12:40:28
Already mooted were set to miss out on several"targets".Reason-no 4th place,or serious financial clout.Both obviously intertwined.Cup runs best its gona get,and average players sadly.Till more Stadia revenue,and regularily in top 4.Sadly both appear years off,if ever! Please LFC sort stadia issue and get sorted asap.Or feel(despite KK's shortcomings)any manager is p ssing in the wind at LFC,merely plugging leaks.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 12:12:50
Hey Ed001 do you think it is right to blame Dalglish for the recent performances and results?, surely the player need to take responsibility. Playing without confidence and for what reason they have progressed in the FA cup and won the Carling cup, Henderson for example against Wigan hadf a shooting oppurtunity on the edge of the box one that he probably wouldv'e scored if he was a Sunderland but instead he cuts onto his weak foot a looses possesion.

As well as Downing putting in good performances and looking like the player we bought but then he just looses confidence for no real reason and doesn't try to take on his man or be direct.

The lack of confidence makes no sense to me but their have only been a few players in the league that can be proud of their performances this year. But is it the Dalglish and his coaching staff to blame even though they publicly back the players or do the players need to take full responsibilty for performances.

Sorry for the length of the post but our current form baffles me and I would love your views/opinions on the matter? {Ed001's Note - I feel the issue with confidence also has to be at least partly the fault of the coaching staff. Their job is to train the players and fill them with confidence in their own ability. Last season there seemed to be no shortage of confidence, something has happened since then to change that, the question is what? I can't believe it can be all down to the appointment of Kevin Keen, but that is the only major change since last season. The staff do need to look into this issue now, it will only get worse if it is not addressed.}

I read up somewhere, gmf i think (givemefootball if im not mistake) says that kenny says maybe he needs to change his tactics to change the results, did he really said this? can find it anywhere else. it was just a line anyway, not a full story, no link to the full story too.

Kaizer

Lfc sacked sammy lee, our confidence man
{Ed001's Note - hahahaha nice to see you find time to come on here Mrs Lee.}

Interesting post.
Yes the confidence seems to have left the club.
Almost impossible to determine the 'emotional state' of the players, as we only see it in their performances.
The lack of info being made available by the club is also lacking, its as if everything has been locked away, away from eyes and scrutiny.
That said, the club is in a bit of a crisis, and it would certainly be nice if the fans and supporters were given some imformation and indication.
If LFC were a public concern, shareholder confidence would be massively impacted, and shareholders would demand disclosure, but as things stand we are all in the dark.
A recent poster, mentioned LFC 's lack of a public relationd or communications specialist, I think this is desperately needed.
Lack of info builds confusion, leads to anger and resentment, and this is what we are seeing with so many fans calling for KK to move 'upstairs'.
Sorry to say this but KK has not done a good job in this regard,

Didn't Kevin Keen have the same role at West Ham, who ultimately got relegated.

I would love to see us get some of the old guard back, the likes of Hyypia, Hamann, Barnes, Rush. People with clout who could teach the current players a thing or two about what it means to play for Liverpool Football Club.

RedSG

Then everyone on here would want them sacked after a few bad results,legend status meaningless.

Derek

 

 

26 Mar 2012 12:02:06
Just read a brilliant post by SP,and would recommend you all take a look. I just wanted to add my two cents into the mix,and say I totally agree with SP,and to say why I think people are a bit panicky! I think it comes down to form for me. I think people are worried because we cannot be sure if we are two or three players away from the top four,or losing two or three players away from even more mediocrity. People say negative tactics and buying english,but that's just a stick to beat the manager with when we lose. The reality is we are deep into transition and IMO it would be a mistake to drop Kenny yet. At the end of last year he got an average bunch of players playing some of the best football some of them will play in there entire careers,and our form was quite consistent. This season has been tough. And its tough because we don't know what team is going to show up. .We have shown this year we are going one of two ways. No 1,we can push on from this,sign a few players in the positions needed,give the squad fully fit a good pre season together and give a top four push a real go. No 2. We are in danger of losing the top players we have at this club,IMO. If Luis was offered 200K a week at Palermo or PSG,would you honestly blame him if he left? Or Lucas? Both players have the quality to play for most teams around europe. This worries me. The summer can go both ways for me,but to lose our best players and Kenny for me would set us back a long way more than a few disappointing league results. So,in conclusion,if our form becomes better in the last few weeks,and we can win the FA cup,we would be an attractive prospect,if we keep rolling over,I fear heads will roll and it won't just be Kennys. Would love to hear your thoughts. WelshBoyDave

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:58:51
Thought i'd post some stats seen on another site

Liverpool (All Comps): P40 Win%=50, Points Per Game = 1.78

Carroll starts: P22 W13 D5 L4, Win%=59, Points Per Game = 2.00
Carroll doesn't start: P18 W7 D6 L5, Win%=39, Points Per Game = 1.50

In terms of ˜difficulty':

Carroll starts vs Teams higher in PL than Liverpool (All Comps v Arsenal, Chelsea, City, United, Newcastle, Spurs)
P8 W5 D1 L2, Win%=63, Points Per Game = 2.00

Carroll starts vs the rest
P14 W8 D4 L2, Win%=57, Points Per Game = 2.00

No Carroll start vs Teams higher
P6 W1 D3 L2, Win%=17, Points Per Game = 1.00

No Carroll start vs the rest
P12 W6 D3 L3, Win%=50, Points Per Game = 1.75

He may not be pretty on the eye, but we seem to do better on the pitch when Andy Carroll starts on it...

RedSG

I wish more people could see this!!

Great stat and research, I love Big Andy!

JonGeorge6

PS Notice how all the Carroll haters have nothing to say lol

Yeah he must be really really good if the stats bak him up

SHED END

Thats because Suarez is relieved of the burden of being a CF which he is not and is allowed to roam freely. I saw someone say the last 5 games without Carroll starting Suarez scored 2 assisted 0 and scored 2 assisted 4 in the last 4 games he played with him. The problem is if Carroll doesnt start, Suarez is by default the CF. Even when we have Bellamy (who has done so well up front during Suarez ban) or Kuyt they are played wide or off of Suarez.

Stats can be manipulated and twisted and turned to make any point someone wishes to make. Doesnt mean there true!

Steve

Its quite clear , if you are going to play andy carrol , which I would , he is only 22 , and will keep on improving , you must have a quality right wing/midfielder , and not put a square peg into a round hole , as in kuyt and hendo , also a pacy forward like that cisse from newcastle , who cost 10 million , this plus Lucas and Agger back will put us in the top three never mind top four .
redforever

I really think that Carroll has proper p**sed Kenny off! and that's why he has'nt used him as much!

Well i am amazed that Ash and Buzzkill aren't all over this, but saying that i am going to offer some constructive criticism of it myself (and i think i know enough about stats to do so) but we shall see:

Right whilst i agree in principle that we look a more dangerous side in terms of goal scoring threat and variation of with AC (LS and SG) on the field and i think that is backed up by the number of goals scored during games in which they have all started, saldy it is not that simple and this is only my opinion, although i do think the stats you present do show a modicum of truth, the fact of the matter is for some reason we always find that next gear for what you might describe as "big games" so this needs to be accounted for in your analysis, which is no mean feat i might add, and would take an algorithm that Commoli would be proud to look at. What would be interesting to see is the goal conversion rate, and number of chances created in the breakdown as well as that would start to tell a little more of the story, the other issue which is completely beyond your control RedSG is the sample size for each permutation if you will, the number of games against higher teams with carroll vs "the rest" as you put it is almost half and not a huge sample range at that, however it should be noted that the starts with an without carroll vs "the rest" are comparable in size and also make interesting reading. Like i say this is not critisism of you or Big Andy, i happen to agree with most of what you post and think Carroll's game has improved immeasurably since he arrived but it doesnt quite tell the full story, but i welcome any feedback on my critique of it.

Andy C

It's annoying when you suddenly get wet having had someone warn you of a storm months ago isn't it Andy? Especially when you just dismissed them as a pessimist!

Ash

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:27:26
i read this site every day (when my baby is asleep ^^) and I collected some of my views about the topics, to share them with you.
1) lots of people say kenny should be given more time. and that sir alex ferguson, shanks and others were unsuccessful in the early years. I disagree. I can't see how this mediocre team should become a league-winning one in a couple of years time. where would chelsea be now if they'd sticked with avram grant?
2) also, the game has changed since shanks and safs early days. success needs to be seen faster, and why not? with the modern training methods, the opta stats etc etc its a whole new game.
3) kenny is just the wrong man. look at his jobs after blackburn. even then he wasn't a good manager. and that was a lot of years ago (tue italian league was the worlds best!!). not only kennys tactics are crap, but also his weird team selection of giving the best trainer a starting place. we end up with hendo in every game this way!
4) we're running out of time. to proof pool has a future, we needed success this year. we didn't get it. next year we need instant success, if we don't get it, success may be gone for a very long time. (check the history of dortmund!)
5) speaking of which! now check dortmund's younger history. from nearly relegation they got into europe nearly instantly with kloppo, without spending big and have only become better. they still are no cl-team in my opinion but getting there. It's the way it should be with pool, but we are only getting worse. maybe i don't get it, but I thought getting better is a sign of a successful rebuild. rome wasn't built in a day, but it wasn't one stone up, two down, one up, one down, one up either.
6) I'm tired of us non-kenny believers called non-supporters. with his lousy tactics, his weird post-defeat pcs, and his handling of the suarez-affair he did a lot of damage to our beloved club. I said it before, he might love the pool, but so do we. and, after all, we pay him. all my pity goes to the supporters who spend their hard-earned money to see these games. (unfortunately I don't have the chance to do so, living on the continent.)
7) I'm also sick of hearing how mad shanks would be with us for not supporting kenny! I wanna hear that from a medium.
8) I'm not sure wether comolli is to blame. look at his buys for arsenal and tottenham and the few foreign liverpool players who, I believe, were his buys (suarez'n'coates anyone?). I remember how he wanted Mata and kenny fancied downing. and, that kenny claimed the finale word in the transfer business. so I still blame kenny for the week buys, because I don't think comolli would have bought all these British players own his own.

... click disagree if you think in five years downing and adam are gonna win us the league!

leni

Kenny and commoli both wanted juan mata, juan mata didn't want lfc and it's wage strucuture so your points are put with little accuracy. that's why i disagree

I'm sorry mate, I remembered the discussion about Mata like this. I remember a post from macca saying so, but my brain might be twisted there. If so, I'm sorry. Leni {Ed001's Note - we tried to convince Mata to join and he indicated that he was keen originally, but then Chelsea stepped in with Champions League football and higher wages.}

Thanks dearest ed001! Leni {Ed001's Note - awww shucks, I'm blushing! I think 002's influence is getting to me! Shucks????}

You eds are such cutesies! leni

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:20:11
Guys can we all stop being so negative all the time, it is gonna have an effect on the players and then we are gonna be going round in circles. This time last year everyone was praising Kenny saying best decision the club has made in years. 14 months down the line and he has not only won us a trophy we are also in the Semi's of the FA Cup. 7th is not good enough for this great club and losses to QPR & Wigan are laughable but in all honesty we have always had faith in our managers and we should have faith in Kenny. Rome wasnt built in a day and or was Ferguson's success at United so get behind Kenny and the Players they deserve better than all this moaning.

Plus get off Carroll's back, he has been performing well recently but Kenny has dropped him from the starting line-up for the last two games. Reckon he would have got at least one goal over those two games and created a couple more.

Have patience we have the right owners, manager, background staff and players and it will all come good next season. Suarez top scorer and Liverpool for the title YNWA

JonGeorge 6

So it's the old 'next year will be our year'-routine again? sight...
kenny gave us the carling cup... that makes us as good as... BIRMINGHAM!

Well said george6, anfield acctually feels tense! just get behind them stop acting so spoilt!

billynwa

Wake up,the team has no hope, no passion and a deluded manager

season over

Thanks billynwa - but typical responses from the people I mentioned in my opinion. As my old mum would say if you havent got anything nice to say then dont say. Plus stupid comments like "that makes us Birmingham" well no it doesnt Birmingham got relegated.

And how dare anyone call Kenny Deluded, grow up and grow a pair.

JonGeorge6

Season over are you soft in the head we are in the semi final of the fa cup.
k-h

Hard to imagine the team not being affected.
If they are not hugely embarassed by their recent performances, they should be.
They are all 'paid professionals' and know what is expected of them.
Stop mollycoddling them, they need to be held responsible, like the manager, owners, etc.

I am very sure that KK and his staff will take a long look at this season come the end of May , and take the correct actions , Kenny knows what we are missing , anyway , I believe that we are going to Wembely twice more , and that will change a lot of opinions , hey Stevie G could be lifting the FA Cup in a few weeks , hold your head up high .
redforever

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:18:42
----------------Reina---------------
Johnson---Skrtel--------agger----Enrique
----------------Lucas.L-----------------Hoilett--------------------------Downing
----------------Gerrard-------------------------Soldado---------L.Suarez

Downing go left. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay left
NZL_red

This formation is very heavy on the left I notice. With this positioning you seem to have Suarez and Downing running down the seating aisles which will surely slow down their play. Meanwhile, it's never good to have acres of space ahead of Johnson, it would just confuse him and he wouldn't know where to go.

I would prefer it if we got soldado, he would play a little more centrally, and gerrard playing wider than hoilett, well that's just silly.

Rafa's Purple Goatie

Pmsl ....downings running through the paddock

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:14:23
we shud trya nd get mario gomez, he is dominating the bundesliga, what else is for him to do?, or get podolski, matias suarez is a good player, but its too early to see if he will be a top player..... :) YNWA

With our midfield Gomez (who didn't wanted to come on THAT deadline day I might add) would be as successful as Andy Carroll.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 11:04:54
i dont get why everyone is so negative.......in football you win, you lose and you draw......get the f**k over it.....we have showed enough signs that we can break teams down and create good goal scoring chances..........at the moment, as you can see, the ball is being a slight bitch and not going in.............for those saying there hasnt been any improvment since last year, you guys must be blind, go watch some matches from last year and then watch a match from this year, we look like barca compared to the team last year.

BADGER

So your happy with cash spent,quality of buys,Leauge form and position?Your cup must runneth over

Well said badger, i really hope our way of thinkin is what most ppl think!

billynwa

Totally agree with you Badger , look at shelvey and sterling coming thru , and with a quality right sided player , , and our injured players back , we will have a much better season , and everyone can get off Kennys back .
redforever

 

 

26 Mar 2012 10:58:44
Ed. How do you manage to cope with the amount of bollox posted on this site by people who believe their own opinion is better than Dalglish's because they wear a suit while playing Football Manager? {Ed001's Note - I tend to go outside and scream a lot. Not sure how the rest cope though!}

I tend to wear boots and a tracksuit whilst playing to be be like Kenny, but that's just me!

Ash

Fair play to you edd, it does my head in readin the sh*t, do people know what supporting your team is all about and how to do it!

billynwa

 

 

26 Mar 2012 10:54:15
I'm so disappointed with the Liverpool fans on this site. I know some are fans of other clubs who don't have lives,but still. Let me just say I'm 20 years old and the golden days of the 70's and 80's was way before my time but no matter what age we all know who Kenny Dalglish is. The man is a legendary figure at a legendary football club. Saying that,the complete disrespect from some fans towards the greatest player and one of the greatest managers this club has ever seen is... Well there are many words, you can choose your own(shocking,embarrassing,disgraceful,etc). Yes our league form has been poor,but this is his first year back. If you expected top 4 this year than you must be high because the 5 out of 6 teams above us are much much better than us and we all know it. It will take time to catch them,yes. Best fans in the world my ass. Not judging by this site. Give KK time. He deserves at least that after all he's been through for this club,it's fans and families and the city of Liverpool. Yes,he's made mistakes and no one is bigger than the club,but KING Kenny along with the likes of the great Shankly MADE this club. They are the reason we have the reputation and expectation we do. Some may say all we have history but I'm proud of that history. It's a glorious one. And who's to say we don't have a glorious future? With KK at the helm I'm confident even if it looks bleak right now. But,without trying to sound corny,at the end of the storm is a golden sky and we're getting there. Failure is just added motivation for more success.
Capetownred

Well said young man well said!

Waro

Its made my day reading the positive posts today about lfc. we should be supporting the club more when its not going so well, a bit of togetherness wouldn't go a miss, you'll never walk alone etc!

billynwa

Well said!
mrbrown

 

 

26 Mar 2012 10:42:34
I do worry about this surposed FSG transfer policy. I live in Derby many years ago Derby County under the then owner Lionel Pickering, had the policy of buying home grown young players, they spent millions on half the then under 21 england team players. They dropped down the league like a stone!!

rasone

Yes, but Derby couldn't attract the top players that Liverpool can.

BthekingB

 

 

26 Mar 2012 10:30:07
I know people will call me negative, not a true supporter etc for saying this but I would just like to make a point about the potential futures of some of our best players. Let's say you are an englishman playing for Independiente, a club with a fantastic history, and recognised around the world. Yet, at the moment, they are not achieving what they should be. At the end of the season, Santos, Corinthians and Boca Juniors want your services. They offer you a better chance to win the Copa Libertadores, and of course, more money. What would you do? It is likely you would leave to one of these clubs, right?

I make this point because I feel it may be hard for us to keep some of our best, especially foreign players this summer. Understandably, many do not have a real love of Liverpool, or any team for that matter. Therefore, do not be too shocked/ calling those that leave traitors etc because it is likely most of us would do the same if we played for a foreign club. In football, it is all about the short term, and as fans, we must always remember this.

Rafa's Purple Goatie

Van Persie has won nothing at Arsenal?
Which kind of blows your argument out of the water.
kidmillions

 

 

26 Mar 2012 10:15:55
"The Irritation of King Kenny"

Back to being a real fan. The real fans are the ones outraged at anyone discussing anything to do with KK's position. Real fans don't do that. Real fans support the club.

I have been checking the web for sites with real fans on them. I stumbled across www.dadsdresslikesons.co.uk and wonder if the answer was there. This is the site for middle-aged men who dress like their teenage sons on holiday or wear sports gear designed for 14 year olds at weekends. Think I saw a real fan on there but no sure. (I've placed an order btw)

The serious point about these people is that I don't know what a real fan is. There is an arrogant snobbishness about fans who suggest they are 'real fans' and accuse anyone else of not being so. The real fans apparently don't question KK nor do they do anything other than 'get behind the team' and turn up every week (insert cliche here) and tell everyone they are 'real fans.' To me they are simply like the rest of us - fans. Supporting the club as long as I have (stepped onto the Kop in 1961) doesn't mean I am any better than any other fan. But it does to some Liverpool fans.

The issue about KK and his position has taken on a life of its own. From a simple grumble it has mushroomed to full blown debates on this site about his future. Why not? It's not a crime to ask questions of the manager. The insertion of requests to 'respect what he has done for the club' have met resistance from people like me. This has been seen as almost heresy by the people who say they are 'real fans.' Herein lies another problem.

Real fans are not simply the middle-aged men wearing club colours who drink three pints of lager in The Cabbage Hall in Anfield or The Jawbone Taven in Bootle. Real fans are not the 20-something guys eating burgers or baguettes in Vauxhall Road. You may claim to be 'real fans' but your support is no more important than Milan Justel (16) who drinks Coke in the cafe in Zizkov in Prague as he waits for the satellite game from Anfield. You 'real fans' are not any more important than the guys in the Boston Globe Tavern who are up before breakfast to meet for the game on cable TV. But you think you are.

There is an innate snobbery about supporting clubs and at Liverpool we are world class at it! I dislike the sneering views of what has become known as 'the prawn sandwich brigade.' Without them the price of tickets would rise. Without them the sponsors would be thin on the ground. They are as much interested, knowledgeable and as enthusiastic as ANY other fan. Yet 'real fans' hate that as they are doing their supporting in a different way. You don't have to be born in Liverpool to support the club. You don't have to speak in a Scouse accent to love the club. You don't have to go to every game to support the club. ANYONE can be a real fan.

Where is the chapter in "The Scouse Book of Being A Real Fan" relating to locations and support levels? It's the same as "The Book of Life" when you're trying to find the chapter on "Entitled to have Children - with others paying for them" or the section in "The Right Not to Work - also with others paying for them." These are fantasy ideals and so are 'real fans.'

We are all real fans and if you don't think so, then write to the Czech Supporters Branch of LFC, or the Los Angeles LFC Supporters' Group or anyone else who doesn't get to the games and tell them that. Sitting at home in Brno, Bootle, Barcelona, Barnsley, Beckenham, Buenos Aires or Beijing and paying a SKY subscription to watch LFC makes you a real fan in my eyes.

The future of our great club is in the hands of people who are foreigners. It's in the hands of people who want to see 'a headball in the score zone' or who those who call "Cheelie Ad-ams" or ""Steephen Gerhard" their favourite "Leeverpool" players. They are real fans. The real fans are also those kids of 16, 17 and 18 who have supported the club since 2009 or last year. The 19 year olds who pile into a Peugoet 106 and drive a 276 mile round trip from Bristol to support the team - once every four home games. They are real fans and many of them don't see KK as anything more than an average manager. It's hard to take for the real fans who call themselves real fans when they are with the real fans who are their mates and real fans!

The club is changing along with the game itself. Technology has expanded the Premier League and now anyone can support Liverpool FC. Imagine that - people not from Aigburth, Crosby or Toxteth allowed to wear the colours and call themselves 'real fans!' Surely not? Well guys (and gals) it is possible and there are people in Teplice, Braunschweig, Amstelveen and Addiscombe that know as much about the club, its players and history as you do. You don't have to a pilot to fly in a plane and you don't have to be there at every game to call yourself a 'real fan.'

When we win the Premier league the 'real fans' will be out in their thousands welcoming their heroes back for a ticker tape parade in Lord Street. But around the world we'll also be supporting and knowing we are much a part of the club as anyone else.

Now about this Kenny Dalglish business ....

SP {Ed001's Note - I do agree with you, I think people are getting confused over the respect thing, some people think it is a lack of respect to discuss Dalglish's future are manager. It is not. What is a lack of respect is those posts, and I have had to delete large numbers of them, who refer to Dalglish with abusive terms. By all means argue that he should be sacked or not, and why you think so, but there is no need to call the man names while doing so.}

Great post and well said
mrbrown

Excellent post SP

RedSG

Awesome post mate!

SP true fan.YNWA

The real fans go to all the away games and don't have any issues at all. I've been on the coach with them on numerous occasions and they tend to all know one another and know if your not a regular away supporter but don't treat you any differently and yes they have a moan if we lose or play badly: Difference is as ed 1 says there not abusive over the players or manager.
kidmillions

Kidmillions - if the real fans go to all the away games what do the not-real fans do?

 

 

26 Mar 2012 09:53:50
Would love to see Christian Erikkson, Luke De Jong, at Anfield. Doubt we'll get Cavani or Lavezzi. Would also like to see Shelvey alongside Gerrard in midfield,with another player brought in, maybe Martinez, with Sterling, Coady, and Suso being used too. Think we need another central defender to play alongside Agger, happy enough with Enrique and Johnson.. I'd get rid of Carroll, Adam and Downing. Id hold onto Henderson for a while and give him a chance. Oh.. and id get rid of Dalglish too!

Your doubts are spot on! although I would also add eriksen to that very doubtful list of yours!

 

 

26 Mar 2012 09:45:12
As a liverpool,fan i can,t believe how bad we have become.I know alot of u wont like this but we are spending miillions ,more than Everton and they are just 2 points behind us.I really hope sunderland beat them cause i have a feeling they, will do us good at wembley.Its bad enough that there looking like finishing ahead of us but to lose in the semies aswell is unthinkable kenny sort it out.Pat the red]

We are progress of building whole new team and only one season into it, look how much time and money it took city. Everton are at the peak because of the manager they are going nowhere there an ageing team and loaners, when not if Moyes leave it will be worst. Believe me the future is bright for LFC

 

 

26 Mar 2012 09:18:20

Having spent more than £100m on a Liverpool team which looks increasingly unfit for purpose, Kenny Dalglish is not exactly awash with options before he faces a critical re-assessment of his performance by American owner John W Henry.


Of the few he has, one should be seized upon without a moment's delay. It is, beyond a professional obligation to pass on basic information with some small degree of civility, a vow of omerta. Silence, certainly, would have been invested with a particularly golden hue during the Liverpool collapse against Wigan, which followed so quickly a statement from the manager which betrayed, utterly, the tradition of a club he enhanced so brilliantly, first as a player, then a manager in his first term.

Dalglish's always prickly demeanour has hardened markedly in the first months of a year disfigured by the Luis Suarez controversy and Premier League form which has left Liverpool bracketed with Queen's Park Rangers in 18th place, better only than disintegrating Wolves.

Even so, this was hardly adequate preparation for a pre-match slighting of his critics in which he seemed to separate himself from the meaning of all Liverpool's past success.

Dalglish said: "People should take an intelligence check. Judging our performance by league position alone is disrespectful. There's a bigger picture. In 30 years' time it will be remembered they won the Carling Cup – and maybe the FA Cup – in 2012. If that happens, the league position will be overlooked." Bigger picture? Unfortunately not. This is smoke and mirrors without licence. Indeed, the smoke might be coming from the rabbit hole housing Alice's Wonderland and the Mad Hatter's Tea Party. The league position of Liverpool, as Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley never tired of saying, is not some disposable guide to the team's progress but an unshakeable measurement of its intrinsic worth.

Even Dalglish's old team-mate and staunch friend Alan Hansen recently agreed that "Liverpool are not a cup team".

Of course they are not – the cup triumphs, including their English record-breaking haul in Europe, have always been seen as the inevitable outcrop of deep and relentlessly reseeded strength. No doubt the last success in the Champions League in Istanbul was something of an exception in that it happened, in the most extraordinary circumstances, seven years ago and without any significant impact on the domestic league front.

Now, bizarrely, Dalglish announces that a Carling Cup win – an extremely tentative one against Cardiff City – is some landmark of inexorable progress. As John McEnroe might observe, he cannot be serious.

The team they supplanted at Wembley was, of course, Championship-bound Birmingham City, who found in a random 90 minutes the will to wreck an Arsenal team which a few weeks earlier had been contending for all the game's major honours.

Liverpool have taken eight points from their last 11 games. Roy Hodgson, the man who was banished from Anfield with mocking laughter in his ears and was hired to save West Bromwich Albion's Premier League life, managed to glean more than that.

Mere statistics, you may say, but they do happen to be irrefutable in what they say about Liverpool's current plight.

They also happen to be rather dear to the heart of the American ownership and a key part of their appraisals of the progress of the baseball branch of the business prosecuted by the Boston Red Sox.

Having handed Dalglish and the club's director of football, Damien Comolli, the money to buy Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing, Jose Enrique, Sebastien Coates and Charlie Adam – and complete the pursuit of Suarez – the Fenway Sports Group is not likely to be either enamoured or feeling any need for an intelligence check when it applies some of the same criteria to the soccer division.

Indeed, the sharp edge of Fenway's analysis is likely to get especially acute when it measures the distance that still separates Liverpool from £30m worth of Champions League revenue.

After the Carling Cup triumph, Comolli suggested that there were still other boxes to tick, including at least fourth place in the league and success in the FA Cup. It seemed like a bad attack of hubris at the time and recent results have only confirmed the diagnosis.

Beyond the damaging statistics, of which the starkest is surely Liverpool's failure to win more than five of 15 home league matches, is Dalglish's willingness to question the foundation of all of Liverpool's past achievements.

It was defined simply enough by Shankly – and always endorsed by Paisley. Shankly said: "The league is a marathon not a sprint. It is where you find out if you are entitled to believe in how good you are."

If the contradicting of this historical truth does not bring on omerta, nothing will.

Omerta, not quite silence is it?

Shankly also said 'If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win'.

Is it any wonder the players and the manager underperform when they can't even get support from their own fans! I predicted it on Friday that the atmosphere at Anfield would be dreadful and surprise, surprise it was shocking!

I bet all of you that are calling for Kenny's head are the same prats who spent the first 3 years of Lucas' career saying he was rubbish and that we should get rid of him, but now all state that they had faith in him all along and always supported him!

Of course I'm not happy with the results we've had against the so called smaller teams, but those results have coincided with dreadful support from Liverpool 'Fans' up on the terraces! When was the last time any onf you who go to the games left a match against say Wigan or QPR with a sore throat from singing and cheering? Virtually every team's away support have come to Anfield this season and sang 'Where's your famous atmospher', and it pains me when I hear them sing that, but only because it has become a very true statement, where is it?

If you go to the Villa match, try singing for say 90% of the game for a change rather than once every 15 minutes!

Scarface

And shanks did all this in his first season i gather
mrbrown

Scarface - is the weather on Planet Perfect as toxic as your anger at the way some fans support the club? Stop trying to make everyone support in the same way you do. There's room for dissenting voices in the club!

Shanks went 6 seasons without winning a trophy.
kidmillions

 

 

26 Mar 2012 08:59:55
I really don't understand some people. Their views are so hypocritical and self defeating it is embarrassing. I'm talking about the people who say we should never have gone back to the past with Kenny, but they want Rafa back. I'm talking about people who say we sacked Rafa too early after 1 bad season but we hadn't won a trophy for 4 seasons and we finished in 7 place. Those same people want Kenny sacked after 18 months and a trophy. Everywhere he's been there has been very public acrimony between Rafa and the board and it has always been about more transfer money. Rafa will only ever be happy at Man City. FSG are no mugs. They will not appoint a man who will publically try and undermine their image with the fans. Hence Roy out early and Kenny in. They did appoint DC. Whoever manages us will have to work with him. If you think they would appoint Rafa, you'd better think again.

I feel i have to say this once again we should not slag of rafa to stick up for kenny or the other way round .id have rafa back tommorrow but only if kenny left rafa had the yanks tom and jerry to work with .the people who moan about rafa ignore this big big piont.
soul man

 

 

26 Mar 2012 08:40:15
Ed in some of the papers today they say that kenny will be given abother go at it next season because he has a lot of interal support and the club. Do you know if this is true or do you still think that he may go? {Ed002's Note - My view has not changed.}

Kenny should be given another year, the lads i go to games with all said at the beginning of the season,tht this season will be trial and error and next season will be the season to judge.
fans need to remember kenny is human like us all, there for unfortunitly he doesnt have a wand
mrbrown

 

 

26 Mar 2012 08:21:06
Ste Parker "BTW I will not dumb down my posts for the likes of you" Ha ha ha ha, love it! I knew I had you rattled, you just can't stand somebody going against anything you post can you, your so used to some people on this site blowing smoke up your arse about your long winded and dare I say it slightly boring posts. Keep it up because I am enjoying our verbal jousts! BTW bet you had a fag at Eton didn't you, Ha ha ha ha!

Waro

 

 

26 Mar 2012 07:35:06
A team thats won only 2 out 11 games neither has nor deserves the prospects of any sort of success. Tony Brown.

So if we win our next two games in the FA Cup and win the competition we don't deserve it because we lost so many games in the league? Would we have to give back the league and FA Cup if we only finish 7th? You post makes absolutely no sense what so ever!

MR EM

 

 

26 Mar 2012 07:28:48
Liverpool fc are having Urgent talks with the demise of our position in the league and will wait till the end of the season to make it Official if Kenny D stays as Manager after his weak excuse after the Wigan game.

"I think we looked a wee bit tired," he said. "We had a lot of possession in the game but we gave away the ball quite a lot in vital positions. It's not because they can't play, it's because of tiredness.

"If you play Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday it's going to take its toll. A lot of the lads had played all three games, and for us that's a reason behind our performance.

Unfortunately Kenny,s running out of time I for one would of loved to see him suceed but its not working at all and can be seen with the terrible buys he spent alot of money on.

Personally I think he,ll go upstairs and if anyone can turn the club around it would be Mourinho but he,ll need alot of kerching.

Supposedly Mourinho has told someone in confidence that if he win's the La Liga/CL with Madrid and the LFC job came up he'd take it! as bringing the title back to LFC would be his biggest challenge and if he succeeded his biggest achievement! {Ed002's Note - Sounds like Twitter is in overdrive.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 06:20:47
i think we all need to calm down (not taking the mickey) ...we have to be realistic ....man utd have a tremendous squad ..man city has tons of cash and have gate crashed the top 4 which was always going to happen ..chelsea another money bags club who can throw vast amounts around when they have a blip ....spurs have improved greatly and took a few players that we should of plumped for during our hicks and gillette saga and then theres newcastle who have bought extremely well too .....i think its time for us to go back to some foreign signings personally (a lot cheaper and just a better standard of mid class players).....but just to sum up ...we are where we are because thats all we deserve this season we are just not good enough .....and our expectations are just too high ....tbh id be happy with 2 cups and have a re-evaluation in the summer ........looking at he squad i think we need perhaps 4 players ...and i would go for

javi martinez
luuk de jong
ryan shawcross
hatem ben arfa


and get shot of

cole
kuyt
maxi
downing
adam
henderson


team

reina
kelly
agger
shawcross
enrique
gerrard
martinez
lucas
ben arfa
suarez
de jong

bench
bellamy
carroll
sterling
johnson
suso
flanagan
spearing
coates

So you'd drop one of the best in-form defenders of the season for Shawcross? Ok. Go back to playing football manager. Skrtel's been fantastic this year.

So you would replace one of our best players this season with Shawcross and not even give Skrtel a place on the bench. I suppose he can always sit in the stands with Jamie and watch. Hope Reina does'nt get injured in a match as your a bit goosed with his replacment. Not really thought about this one have you. Would'nt see you lasting longer than Roy as manager.

Do people seriously think we could get Javi Martinez to join us? 1st there's the 40m euro price, the lack of Champions League football, add to that clubs such as Barca, R.Madrid, the 2 Manchester Clubs and the rest who would love to snap him up.

He is exactly the type of player we need, and as much as I would love us to buy him, it's a pipe dream.

And don't get me started on Ryan Shawcross

RedSG

Whoops ...i forgot about skrtel ....must stand out then ...especially when he makes some howlers ...sorry but if you think skrtel is good ...we are in serious trouble

 

 

26 Mar 2012 06:02:05
no way should Kenny leave till summer, its the least we owe him ( yes we owe him big time ). The new manager should be exactly that - NEW. Please don't get Rafa (no disrespect to him either), but we need new blood.
Time to move forward. No pretending we will be challengers in the next few years. Slowly but surely we need to build our club. We need to have realistic expectations.
There is only one thing that I will not give up....that is players with a strong mentality and hunger. If players don't have passion, then i don't want them wearing our shirt.
Defeats I can handle but heartless performances I cant.

Pankaj

 

 

26 Mar 2012 05:09:55
Losing Lucas this season was the worst thing that could've happened, even worse than losing Suarez. Our entire midfield depended on him. Charlie Adam actually played well in the early months.

Eds any info on when he is back? {Ed002's Note - Next season.}

 

 

26 Mar 2012 05:04:09
Liverpool have to sack Kenny,and our new manager have to be Rafa Benitez.Also we have to buy M.Suarez & Javi Garcia..and we must grow up out young talents(Sterling,Kelly,Flanno,Robinson,Wisdom,Joao,Suso,Ngoo,Morgan)
Newt year's squad will be(4-2-3-1) Reina-Johnson,Agger,Skrtel,Enrique-Gerrard,Lucas-M.Suarez,Suarez,Downing-Carroll
Subs
Doni
Kelly
Coates
Javi garcia
Henderson
Sterling
Kuyt
We have to sell' Poulsen,Cole,Aquilani,Adam,Maxi

And we have to buy Luis Garcia and Dietmar Hamaan and Djibrl Cisse and Vlad Smicer. zzzzzzz Rafa is NOT the answer

cozinoz

Wots this guy been on i suggest he is still on a high from the weekend and hasnt come down yet.stop taking drugs fella
mrbrown

Cozinoz, one of the few times I actually agree with you. Rafa is definately not the answer!

Steve

 

 

26 Mar 2012 03:53:10
I believe the new players coming in (potentially) will all be under £15m, as the club can not afford to buy above this threshold, given our failure to secure Champs League.
So it will be interesting to see who can be acquired, just hope things are already in motion!.
Long term priority for club and owners has to be re-development of Anfield, as a massive new stadium is just too expensive.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 02:06:50
Any chance Rodolfo Borrell will be promoted to first team coach for next season eds? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

I doubt it, Rodolfo is doing a fine job working with the youngsters in the Academy and reserves, and we should let him continue to shape our team of the future.

RedSG

 

 

26 Mar 2012 01:15:01
get a grip we are un happy but life is better now tan it was we still have a club . Be real we are not a a top four club yet let the younger squad grow just like the mancs did

 

 

26 Mar 2012 00:49:02
that mini heart-attack i got when i saw sterling tackled like that...

Kaizer

It was a yellow too. the ref was against us all game. but thats just how are seasons gone. against us.

 

 

26 Mar 2012 00:30:32
KK looks tired, his aura has waned and looks like we're soon becoming a mediocre middle-table team...that's what it looks like, 4 defeats out of 5!! He steadied the ship when most needed and will always be a legend, always the KING!
But time to move on, his buying policy and that waste of space Commolli (exactly what the f*** does he do, find players? Who the hell did he found?) has been a disaster!!!
Henderson for 20M? Sunderland must've thought it's Xmas. I thought that at the time and sad to see that I'm dead right! Carroll for 35M and then not playing him the way Newcastle did! And don't tell me we're not Newcastle because they're playing better football than us at the moment.
I live in London and people take the mickey that I live in the past glories and to be honest I don't have a comeback...winning the Carling cup might be the worst thing as it may keep KK at the helm!
I love KK but love LFC more...much more! Bring back Rafa...the only manager that nearly won us the league and actually won the CL...and final in the following year....Sad to say all these but there it is.

Yes..rafa will be proud and say the entire world.. iwas the last manager who took liverpool to CL...bring him..afterall he still oves teh club...and will take us bac kto glory days...

I know its difficult but nows not the tme for knee jerk reactions. Its time for patients and calm. Changing the manager every year or 2 years does no good. Each manager wants money and tries to change the personnel. We need continuity. Commolli will come good. All his signings at Spurs didn't jump straight into the first team and light it up. Took Bale a few years to became the sensation he is. I think the idea was to but british to make us solid to give us time to bleed in the young stars of the future. Hasn't fully gone to plan obviously but if we change the manager we could be going backwards again. I say we shouldn't have sacked Benetiz after one bad season but we did so we have to move on and Hodgson was a disaster. Kenny and his team have a plan. I hope they get time to see it through. And to qoute a movie the night is darkest before the dawn.

Gazza

Fully agree with you Gazza. Great post

cozinoz

Keep sayin this to s**te posts like this,WITH HIS OWN PLAYERS WHAT DID RAFA WIN.he won the champs league with houlliers team.rafa only won an fa cup and a losers medal in champs league final 2 yrs after we won it [not the year after].
mrbrown

 

 

26 Mar 2012 00:22:46
I think we need to except we will not win the league for years nor are we 1 of the top 5, just becuase we are liverpool doesn't mean we have to be there.the only way we will be back there is with an 80,000 seater stadium and owners who think of the club as a hobby,there are at least 15 bigger clubs in europe that all the top players will go to before us so we have to except this.this is where I get ripped by blind fans who talk drivel and disagree.ill name them to
Man u
Man city
Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea
Barcelona
Real
Bayen
Milan
Inter
Juva

No freaking way are Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Bayern or Inter bigger clubs than us! They may be better teams but no way on this Earth are ANY of those a bigger club!

BthekingB

If we are a big club, we need to start acting like one. Big clubs don't hang onto players well past their prime, or continually seek out old, "safe" people to manage them.

There is no way we are getting a 80k stadium.
It will be 60k to 65k.
The club and owners can not afford that.
Anfield will be re-developed.

@BthekingB

Stop living in the past

I typed this in and press send text to early but I knew some1 would say no way! What am saying is all the class players will go there before us just look at all the players we buy or are linked with.its a fact.
Kp

What defines a (big club)?is it trophies,not sure?, .is it history,(a trailblazing club at the forefront through out its history)not sure?.is it a certain clubs morals and philosify that other clubs look up to,dont know?is it how much money you make like r-madrid i dont know? is it your weekly attendences? or worldwide fan base?,dont know.or a little bit of everything.just scrolling through and thought i would respond,i dont really know myself.but it would be interesting to read some replies
trev the gooner

BthekingB

The only club we are above on the list previously posted are Spurs.

I'd say we're level with Inter, given their current troubles...

RedSG

 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:16:03
Personally eds 1/2 do you feel Liverpool will go for a cm in the summer, I know we have many, but most of them lack quality (Adam) or are too young (Hendo, Shelvey) ?
Also do you feel Liverpool will progress into a 4231 system next season or should progress to this system with Suarez playing a RF/RW role if still at the club?

Thanks as ever

Mac {Ed001's Note - it is a little early to call any of that yet.}

 

 

 
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