Liverpool Banter Archive March 26 2013
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26 Mar 2013 22:42:42
Hi eds
Is that Christian eriksson's agent that's meeting Ian Ayer this week in Liverpool?
Thanks Harry {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}
No, I suspect he's off to spurs?
Why would he go spurs when there demebele holtby lennon bale etc to compete with when he could waltz into our team and + we play the football which suits his style and he has gone on record saying he wants to play in a team which plays to his style?
He isn't coming to Liverpool, deal with it and move on!
He has already said allegedly that he will go to spurs! They also play his style of football plus he's a spurs fan!
A Spurs fan? Oh yeah, because Spurs are HUGE in Denmark!
Not saying it is going to happen, but at the moment I see Eriksen at the same point in his career as Suarez was when we signed him.
He's clearly a talented lad who stands out in a pretty average league. He's a gamble as nobody is sure if he can step up in terms of playing in a higher caliber league but is guaranteed to cost £20+.
27 Mar 2013 09:34:44
spurs do have money.
but it can be wither Errikson or Jao Mountinho
Scarface, he may be at a similar stage in his career as Suarez was but unfortunately Liverpool are not as attractive to new players as they were back then.
Spurs have massive fan base in denmark! By all accounts he was due to sign for them in jan! can't see him moving to lfc in all fairness?
Liverpool are not as attractive as they were when Suarez signed? Oh yeah. We had Jovanovic, Poulsen and the big Greek, sitting above the relegation zone with Hodgson playing a sterile type of football. Yip, I can see what you mean.
The Irish Rover
Liverpool not as attractive as a couple of years ago under Hodgson? Are you serious?
Andy K
Got a feeling its milan myself
26 Mar 2013 22:33:02
hi guys!
id like to ask what u guys think of this.
im not sure how managers think, because in my eyes Liverpool have a good squad, I see no reason to get rid of skrtle he was one of the best defenders in the league last season. i'd just address our issues window by window.
i mean instead of selling skrtle henderson downing shelvey and co. just keep them and buy cavani he would come to Liverpool if we could afford to pay him. yes he would cost 40+ mill but we would be a lot more dangerous and top 4 quality with cavani up front with suarez behind in a no10 role, push sturridge out right with coutinho left.
yes our team needs strengthening but i'd rather give kelly a chance and keep skrtle then sell him. look how close we are to 4th and to be honest we've had a real poor season.
and don't forget we still have sterling, he was amazing for us and looking back to his best now since he's best rested.
jones, sterling, downing, kelly, henderson, allan, borini. that's not a bad bench to have.
rant over! what u guys think?
cheers
BC
Agree on skrtle he is one of the best in the league even think push him forward into midfield along Lucas awesome strength with Gerrard in between forwards and midfield more attack minded
Alot of your post made sense then you mentioned cavani i'd love it but not happening!
heres my ambitous thoughts although unlikely
sanchez even if saurez stays
dede
honda
What do I think? That attacking is not our problem, as we are near the top of the scoring charts. Yes if we sell Suarez, we can try to bring quality in. Defense seems to be the biggest problem. Carragher is retiring, as we all know, plus a few injury prone players already there. If we spend 20 million on a decent centre back, I would be more happy, than to go out and spend £40-50 million on Cavani.
Cavani wouldn't come to Liverpool for all the tea in China.
DT
He would come to Liverpool? I don't think so mate!
Wow BC, if its just that easy to buy Cavani maybe we should get Messi while we are at it! Cavani will not be coming to Liverpool.
Wenger wants skrtle apparently?
A blend of youth and experience that includes a rotating front four of
Suarez, Cavani, Strurridge and Coutinho
Well, we have 3 out of the 4, not too bad I suppose :-)
In the real world, absolutley no chance of the 4th and really hope we still have the 3rd come the start of the next campaign. I think Suarez will give us another season
Nicky D
Meant no chance of the first and hope we keep the second.
Nicky D
I remember George Best playing for Fulham, along with Rodney Marsh! who would have thought that?
26 Mar 2013 22:17:07
I know (as a good mate;)) it's an unlikely transfer, but if anyone sensibly ditched England and watched a decent Wales team give Croatia a good go this evening, Jonathan Williams (Crystal Palace) was outstanding, playing with great impetus and control, and at 19 is one to watch in terms of rising up to a good Premier League standard. Top lad as well.
Jos
Very good prospect and has recovered well from a leg break last year. Called Joniesta by CP fans due to a likeness to Iniesta, lol. Personally I'm hoping he follows Zaha to United :)
HB
And if he signed for us he'll be the new one to take the blame for bad performances?
Players who are poor get blamed for not performing i. e allen but its not his fault the manager made people think he is better than he is.
Why would I would watch a 2nd rate Welsh side when I, m English?
I always believed you were Scouse rather than English kid. And as I recall you never had much affinity for England team. Although as a scouser you are welsh if you trace your roots back. A bit like Michael Owen who could of played for Wales.
More Irish Scouse than Welsh actually, although I do Holiday in Prestatyn, where there always seems to be quite a lot of bluenoses hanging about. ;-)
26 Mar 2013 21:34:37
i can't stand watching england anymore as there is just to many Manchester United players in the team
Let's face it - if you are English and you play for Man Utd, you are in the team. Welbeck, Cleverley, Carrick and Young wouldn't get a sniff if they played for anyone else.
Still, it brought back some memories to see Roy rubbing his chin again, standing there with not a clue what to do with his team being overrun.
redmersey
I can't stand watching england anymore. So I don't bother really
Wait for the world cup in 2018 then when the majority of players will be from LFC.
Doesn't Stevie G deserve the support of all Liverpool fans? He's the England captain FFS!
I'm english and gave up watching England years ago, there's no passion and its not footy. Now team, country and universe is Liverpool and I'm a much happier person.
26 Mar 2013 21:30:06
Stevie appears to put more effort in for England than he does for us at times now a days. Rest him on the bench for Villa
Pure drivel. He used to get slated by England fans for not producing for England the way he does for Liverpool and now you're going to knock him for playing well for the national side. Disgraceful post no-name.
DT
Gerrard has started every Premier League game this season, this should continue against Aston Villa.
Utter crap.
The stats for Gerrard this season are outstanding at Club and International level and even more so when you consider his age and the fact previous to this season he was struggling to even get on the pitch for a good run of consecutive games.
26 Mar 2013 22:32:07
OP are u serious?
gerrard is LIVERPOOL through and through
the guy is our engine, and englands but all true reds know were his heart, time and effort is.
yours sir is a truly stupid post!
That is possibly one of the daftest things I've ever read in here, anonymous poster, and that's saying something. There's not one grain of truth in your comments; Gerrard gave the ball away too much tonight but he never ever lacks effort. He also created the goal. Have you actually ever watched a game?
Go every game he puts more effort in for England in last year than us. Picks his games for us-usually high profile. Will concede carrying a c ao midfield
26 Mar 2013 21:26:37
Eds, fellow reds. Just seen the story in the independent about clubs debt, Liverpool still have £192 million of debt. Thought fsg cleared the debt {Ed002's Note - This was done to death when the accounts were released recently. We don't need to go there again.}
26 Mar 2013 20:03:21
Smalling and Lescott in the centre of Englands defence, a forward thinking Manager would put a midfield player like Gareth Barry alongside your typical English centre back.
You should never play two big lumps at the back, especially in International football,
We've making the same mistake for years with successive clueless managers.
Still hope we win but it's always negative for me the centre of defence for England.
Smalling a big lump? I think not. The issue is Hodgson is sat on his hands ignoring that we are being dominated.
AJH
Don't be fooled by his name. He's typical english centre with limited ability.
Just like to say
tony adams, terry, carra, sol campbell
just to name a few englands pedigree in CB's is pretty good
The England CBs these days are rubbish.
But thers better than them 2.
I reckon Jagielka is a good CB even though he plays for Everton.
And Cahill & Dawson.
2 CBs from them 3 would be decent BUT still not Internation level though.
Don't know how Milner gets in to the SQUAD forget him starting!
In the best XI guys like Wilshere and Walcott would start.
F5.
26 Mar 2013 19:30:16
Any chance of Cavani Eds? Any glimmer of hope to offer us? in his recent interview he said Luis talks to him about coming to the prem! My point is he is not telling him to come to another side. He also said The way the club and fans stuck by him meant a lot to luis.
Maybe, just maybe Cavani could come if Fsg are willing to dig a bit deeper.
I've got a mate that works at the airport and he's already on alert to spot him coming through customs.
There is more chance of Joe Allen playing again this season than Liverpool signing Cavani.
DT
Why wouldn't Cavani sign for LFC? if the club are prepared to pay the money why not? he could stay for half a season and if he is not happy. leave! ask Sahin, money talks, I realize it's not likely, but to say it's impossible insults Liverpool Football Club, some players want to join a club for the challenge, to make them contenders again, it's not always about money. same goes for Erikkson, pay the money and they may join, nothing is impossible.
{Ed002's Note - The fee is €70M - Liverpool are not in that market.}
26 Mar 2013 19:18:56
I honestly believe if suarez goes we as a club will be in a terrible state, no European football and no replacement for the man that has pretty much carried us this season, without European football we won't be able to attract the 'top European players'. I just hope he stays
Big Red
Get a grip he is going but we the fans are not we just need better buys and stop buying potential we need kinetic now
26 Mar 2013 14:39:27
just curious:
ed001 as which present day footballer has most similar style to kenny dalglish?
hoping for a response. {Ed001's Note - not noticed anyone with a similar style to be honest.}
Denis bergkamp was the closest
majestic69
Messi, Kenny miles better tho
Luka modric
Spot on with Bergkamp, had this conversation in the pub a while back. {Ed001's Note - shame he isn't a present day player, he was great to watch too.}
27 Mar 2013 10:14:37
I spent the majority of my childhood trying to learn 'The Berkamp turn'
I was heroically unsuccessful!
26 Mar 2013 17:17:11
For years now and many more years to come, Champions league football will never get anywhere near Merseyside. London and Manchester is home for CL in England. All the Manchester and 3 London clubs are already better and will even get better next yr and every other yr to come. Even if a Sheikh comes with some oil money, sorry but it won't be easy. U might just be lucky though to get Europa next season, and that again is just maybe. Now that is a FACT. So, spare me this obsession about CL and admit what u are for once.
ManUp.
Really invalid and stupid post
The best club in the world FACT!
and anyway how many english clubs are in the CL at the moment?
Liverpool Football Club win Trophy's mate, that's what we do.
Even in the barren years we can win more trophy's than most.
Only last season, which was one of our worst we still won more than Manutd, Spurs and Arsenal.
So carry on believing your own nonsense.
Our record in The Champions League is superior to all other English Clubs put together.
I admit it, we are the joint most successful team in England.
The time is ripe for a New Manager to take the Premier League and Europe by storm, I believe that manager will be Rodgers or AVB, being a Liverpool fan my money is on Rodgers with a saver on AVB.
Out with old in with the new as they say.
This season will be Fergusons swansong, he will never win another trophy after this season.
Wenger will succomb to the pressure and leave Arsenal with fond memories of his incredible invincibles.
Chelsea are always on the brink and will never hit the heights of the Mourinho era again, even if the chosen one returns. (you should never go back)
City are rich beyond their wildest dreams but it's still not enough, they seem shallow and unable to get the players to play for the shirt or connect with the supporters, it's all about money.
Nothing last forever, a new club will emerge or re-emerge in the next couple of seasons. It has been foretold in the book of Rumours and Conjecture.
"See we can all say what will happen in the future? I think I will closer to FACT than you".
Are you some sort of psychic then lad? How the hell do you know what is going to happen in the future. I would expect us to be back in the top 4 within the next 3-5 years but i'm not a plank who can see the future, unlike you.
I suppose the rant is needed when the weather is bad.
Three words for you.
Moneybags Manchester United
Quick question - Were you one the crowd in the Stretford End calling for Fergie's head ( before the Premier League )?
Nicky D
Liverpool ain't won the league in 23 years, yet it has taken 23 years for Manchester United to catch up and just about over take us! Liverpool are still the most successful English team in Europe and we aren't even in the champs lge. Fact!
Man United - The team with the most failed attempts at the European Cup
Special £5 discount to all United fans - come and see the European Cup permenantly displayed in the Anfield trophy room
Nicky D
How does United's failed attempts to WIN it compare to Liverpool's failed attempts to QUALIFY, I wonder.
TK-Red
TK - You're clutching at straws mate.
There really is no comparison.
Nicky D
26 Mar 2013 16:45:01
'Liverpool fans not deluded? please, have you not seen what players the majority of 'fans' link to your club? At best its football manager related'
@ The no-named poster who put this above. Linking players to a club, on a rumours site, in a banter section is hardly a good yardstick to judge an entire set of fans. Maybe if you could stop being so ignorant before posting and actually think your post through, you'd realise you're the deluded one.
JFT 96
JP
Really? I suggest you read what players you lot keep linking yourselves with! Even the eds find it boring by continuesly saying please read earlier posts! You call me deluded lol! You clearly have no idea do you! Even in 'teams' I know that's just fantasy but the remarks that go with it! If we can get him? We should get these? In my opinion these will come? Even an agreement from one of your fans would have been a victory to me but 3 lol we all have rumours and banters fella but your fans do take the cookie
You really haven't grasped any point to my post have you? Read it before replying with an answer to a point that was never raised. My point is this - This particular website isn't a microcosm of Liverpool supporters as a whole. We have regular posters who engage in decent conversation, and a lot who write nonsense. This doesn't reflect on all LFC fans. Nothing more. So your statement of 'Liverpool fans being deluded' is in fact both ridiculous and wrong. Why don't you stop making such sweeping statements? They make you sound ignorant and uneducated. Take your head out your a*se and stop generalising. From what I've seen from football fans as a whole, generalising entire groups of people who support a club is half the problem. If you have such an issue then get the hell off a site which actually shouldn't even interest you.
JFT 96
JP
Oh, and I'm not sure if you know how the 'Agree' and 'Disagree' buttons work, but you don't have to be a licensed LFC fan to press them. Just before you puff your chest out too much, I'm sure the trolls on here have a little shudder of enjoyment backing up yet another no-named keyboard warrior.
JFT 96
JP
26 Mar 2013 16:40:16
im tired of writing posts just for u guys to not bother posting it. i'm logging off forever bye bye {Ed002's Note - I can see numerous posts from you that have been posted.}
Please, come back, I need you
26 Mar 2013 16:32:58
Question about work permits which I would like cleared up.
I know you can get a permit based on caps, but does that include all fifa countries. Let's say I have 90caps for burundi, would that be worth as much as 90 caps for brazil? Or is it based on the prestige?
Cheers in advance. {Ed002's Note - No, 75% of games in the past two years for a top 70 ranked country from memory.}
90 caps for Burundi, eh? Would you consider joining us, even without CL football?
26 Mar 2013 15:41:49
Cheers to all the regular posters for giving me an insight into Roy Evans! I've heard a few people wanting him back at the club in some sort of role, just wondering what sort of role people would like him to fit into, thanks!
Assistant director of player management would be the perfect role for him.
26 Mar 2013 14:39:02
kopcastle - sorry I missed your reply regarding Gerrard yesterday:
"Gerrard has been loyal the only reason he even thought about the chavski move is because he thought Liverpool football club would benefit from the money more than him as a player!"
My God you lot will believe anything won't you! If this is true why did Stevie change his mind so suddenly - did he decide he didn't want the club to benefit finacially after all? :) Or was it more to do with that sawn-off 12 bore?
HB
Gerrard changed his mind for the same reason Rooney did, threats from vile brain dead thugs that are polluting the gene pool.
always a red
HB
I would suggest you try and make up your own mind and stop copying what your leader ( I AM KLOOT) on the Utd banter page posts.
The Irish Rover
I was about to write the same as you HB, but it's just a can of worms. Plus I was under the impression Gerrard was posturing for a better contract at the time.
The Irish Rover
It's nothing to do with Kloot, I just read about it. In a book and everything. I wouldn't just paraphrase Kloot anyway - if you notice I'm usually the one disagreeing with his posts over there! :)
HB
Domihiho
It is a bit of a can of worms and BTW I have nothing against Gerrard as I'm wise enough (only just!) to know that football is a career for these guys - it would be criminal to not even consider what would no doubt have been a very lucrative offer to join a successful team. I just found it funny that someone would actually think Gerrard looking to join Chelsea was a selfless act.
Tbf I reckon HB isn't far from the truth, and for a United fan he's actually put some decent posts on this site. He has to be about the first one with some actual banter as the rest of the trolls prowling this page are steaming piles of humourless turds.
You're still a United supporter though pal, so you're around the same level of Jedward and Piers Morgan.
JFT 96
JP
Thanks JFT 96, though I'd say Jedward are a few levels above Piers Morgan in honesty! Neither is a compliment though clearly :/
I do try to make valid points, though I'm sure many would agree!
HB
26 Mar 2013 14:10:59
It's a shame that we've become the type of club that when we will sell Suarez will probably look to replace him with someone cheaper with the 'potential' to be half-decent. Type of club we are now; one step forward, two backwards.
Go support somebody else then!
Without CL football that is what will happen which is why bringing through players from the academy is so important as they know what a special club we are.
It's going to be a long hard road back but when Suarez leaves I just hope all the money goes back into buying players and a bit more from the owners. I have a feeling they will only give what we get in on transfers :- ( {Ed002's Note - I don't think so. I would expect that the owners will provide a little extra funding to sales, but the club must move toward being more self-sufficient.}
For the last 4 years we have been in a turmoil when will it stop, david moores you have a lot to regret even though I believe your intentions were admirable we are at present in a spiral taking us away from the good times {Ed001's Note - Moores only had one intention - to make himself rich. He never cared about anything but his own pockets.}
Top football clubs do not make money. Look at the debt on Man U, most of their revenue goes into paying interest.
Real Madrid get their loans erased every now and then by the spanish banks.
The fact is that financially well run clubs do not have major success on the field these days.
It's a massive shame that we never attracted the type of owners to throw money into the club.
26 Mar 2013 13:51:43
LIVERPOOL are trying to snatch away Barcelona youngster Sergi Canos. herd anythin eds
kopgray {Ed002's Note - Nope.}
26 Mar 2013 12:43:56
Well if we receive £40-£50 m for Suarez in the summer, maybe the management will instruct BR to find a way to integrate AC into his line up and we can save those pennies for a rainy day.
Being realistic if we lose Suarez no replacement is going to do the work he does and get as many goals so why not accept that we will be mid table for a couple more season, acquire a couple of up and coming youngsters and integrate more of the youth team into the first.
This may not be what everyone wants but the short term solution will not be possible without Suarez at the front.
I for one am happy with the benefits and style BR has brought to the club and given a couple more seasons and some talented youths we will be challenging for European places again and when the financial fair play comes fully into effect maybe even Champions League, unfortunately I think the league is well beyond our level for now and the foreseeable future.
I have accepted as should every other supporter that we are still Liverpool FC, a great club, but not the force we use to be.
Lanarth
26 Mar 2013 12:59:11
we will not survive without a Top4 quality predator like suarez.
Andy caroll will not hit a barn door.
No player bigger than club. this sentence is the sole reason where we are now. we have never recoverd after selling our star players.
Liverpool fc is not a rest station. players come develop. hit the peak and move on.
the club doesn't achieve anything.
one alonso and mascherano is still costing us.
we still haven't identified a replacement even after 4 years of their departure.
you won't find too many suarez out there.
save the penny keep in the pocket and tell the world we have money. none would come to us.
Dont think we replaced hyppia also. the biggest unsung heroes ever. guarentee u if he wasnt there 05 never would have happened. if had him now we be top 4. carrol henderson won't bring top 4. in fairness to henderson he's knuckled down but hard work only gets u so far.
5 gold stars
Think the price will be around the £35 to £40 mill? but who realistically would replace him? Most quality strikers want cl football and at worst el football!
No player is bigger than the club.
I think that Suarez is a brilliant player and agree he is not bigger than our club but he is better than every other player at our club. I will not hate him for joining a CL club who wins trophies. I honestly believe he will play for Bayern next season under Guardiola.
Scouse_Pride
26 Mar 2013 12:32:07
br should just play shelvey the rest of the yr and see what we have. not one game in 5 games off like br was doing. and ps to those who say he won't be as good as gerrard or lampard. very few will ever be as good as they, and the few that are will never come to Liverpool. this ain't 10 yrs ago our days of getting and keeping top players r over.
Shelveys a championship player at best, never be good enough for LFC and the premier league, sorry to burst your bubble.
Shelvey is not good enough for lfc first team
I agree we should be decisive with Shelvey as regards to game time.
My personal feelings is to let him go, it's a gamble but realistically he does lack the pace to get away from anyone and he could get away that if he was naturally two footed but he isn't he's very right footed, which means he gets into great forward positions but quite often does not score if it doesn't fall on his right foot and you don't get the time at the top level to switch the ball on to your favoured side.
26 Mar 2013 14:52:24
kidmillions.
good post.
8 mill and sell him. simple.
For me, Shelvey is a bit of a conundrum. He's occasionally brilliant, often average, and sometimes awful, so I'm not really sure what to think of him, to be honest.
I'd like to think he'll improve and become more consistent, but he's not really all that young and it seems to me when compared to others in that age group who are destined to be world class (for lack of a better term) like Goetze, Wilshire, etc. he's certainly not at that level. Perhaps an adequate squad player at a top 10 team or perhaps a starter at a bottom 10 one I would think?
Shelvey- Championship player at best? Come off it! That is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on here, and what really disgusts me is the number of 'agrees' it has got! The days when Liverpool fans could be called 'knowledgable' are sadly disappearing
Shelvey an English version of Charlie Adam.
26 Mar 2013 12:25:44
How can all these papers say Suarez is going for £40 mil? If we sold an out of form Torres for 50, takin 10 mil less for probably the 3rd best in the world just doesn't make any sense
26 Mar 2013 12:39:43
2 reason for this.
1. if you have a release clasue of 40 mill and any club can trigger it and if you don't find any higher bid than this. you must sell him at that price.
2. you won't get another passionate man like Roman in the whole world who bought shevchenko for 30 mill and will buy cavani and falcao for 100 mill. {Ed002's Note - You misunderstand release clauses.}
I hate to burst your bubble, but Suarez is nowhere near the third best player in the world.
Ted
After Messi and Ronaldo it could certainly be argued that Suarez might be the 3rd best player in the world. Of the top of my head I can't think of any player outside the 2 mentioned that does all that Suarez does and still scores as many goals.
The Irish Rover
26 Mar 2013 13:01:20
ed. I didn't get it.
BA release calsue was 7, 5 mill. chelse triggerd it and they signed him for that price.
am I right? {Ed002's Note - I appreciate that you don't get it.}
26 Mar 2013 13:02:06
Ted.
you can burst. suarez is the third best striker in the world as per today march 26.
Well he's the best player in the prem so that's gud enuf. plus he's top 5 in the world. controlling balls on his shoulder and rounding keeper. hat tricks, free kicks. nutmegs galore and massive work rate along with the top scorer tag. he's a couple of feet behind top 3 not miles
5 gold stars
Haha how can you not get it?! It's basically saying if that much is offered he can talk to the clubs however we will then start to negotiate prices but 40 million is the very least. I hope this is right lol {Ed002's Note - In terms of Suarez, as we understand the €40M only allows him to speak with representatives of other clubs. Subsequently there is no "minimium" but it would be down to a negotiation between the clubs. I can say that at least one of the interested clubs would be willing to pay €40M.}
If he genuinely wants to leave then play hard ball with monies like Arsenal do, they always get to dollar.
we will probably sell him for 30 mill and buy another pudding for 40, that's LFC management for you i'm afraid.
Ed oo2 thanks keep giving the good info but please do not react to the crazies {Ed002's Note - That just leaves the two of us.}
He is the 4th best in the world behind iniesta
26 Mar 2013 12:22:53
Realistically I think this summer we'll sign
Williams, Zambrano, Iturra, Menez and Weimann. Maybe Mignolet if Reina leaves.
So basically everyone we been linked too over the past fortnight
26 Mar 2013 11:33:59
really hope the owners can find some cash for us in summer to buy 3 or 4 quality players a keeper if reina is going a cb lb and lw if we can do this and suarez knows we have the intent to push on for next season then I think he will stay and we will get champs league next season as think suarez wants it with us but couldn't blame him for leaving if the intent isn't there to move on, with the addition of 3 or 4 quality players with the likes of agger gerrard lucas coutinho suarez sturridge Johnson Henderson, kelly when fit and then the youngsters pushing through suso stirling wisdom shelvey for the coming years just my opinion but don't think we are that far away I know its all ifs and buts but just think its a vital time for us, yes it has been a hard season in terms of up and down results but didn't we all know that at start and think the signs of what br is trying to do are positive just hope the owners can back him fully in the summer then next season he can be judged
26 Mar 2013 11:23:51
I hate it when people say 'hes not worth 20/30m' he didn't ask to cost that much, we are fans why do we care how much a player cost?
Perhaps because we have a track record of over paying for average players which subsequently affects our ability to redress the imbalances in the squad.
DT
Paying over the odds for someone is only deemed that if the player doesn't succeed.
Had Carroll played the way he was when at Newcastle when we signed him and went on this season to batter defenders and was on 20 goals this season right now for us would he still be classed as overpriced?
If Suarez hadn't have hit the ground running like he did and struggled like Carroll did and wasn't banging the goals in this season would he have been deemed as overpriced?
It's all ifs and buts and is a pointless debate.
Nobody would be complaining about the fees paid for Carroll, Henderson, Downing et al if they came in and were brilliant.
26 Mar 2013 12:41:02
yes. but they didnt. and that's why we call them overpriced players.
Show me a manager who gets every signing right?
I hate to say it but Fergie is one of the best managers ever, but even he has got signings wrong. £30m for Veron, £8m for Bebe etc etc.
We should be happy that we're in a position to sign players for £15 - £20m+. Had it not been for FSG then it's a very strong possibility that we wouldn't have been able to sign anyone.
I don't get what people are expecting. Do you want us to only sign bargains so that if they don't work out then it hasn't cost us much?
Not every signing is going to turn out to be a Suarez or a Hyppia. Like not every signing is going to turn out to be a Carroll or a Cheyrou.
If we sign someone get behind them rather than slagging them off before they've even kicked a ball for us or had time to settle and show us what they can do or reach their potential.
Would you perform well in your job if everyone around you thought you were useless and not worth your salary and made their feelings openly known to you.
26 Mar 2013 14:50:07
I understand your point.
No manager has got 100% correct in their signings.
But apart from suaerz (countinho and sturridge yet to prove)
who else have hit the bulls eye?
do you realize how much we already have spend?
we are struggling to sell our players to fund another.
is that not called as faliure in transfer dealings?
Liverpool Fc needs CL football at first and then the academy, future, or whatever u call it as.
I don't quite get your point Harry.
What exactly do you want us to do then, go out and sign more players?
That's exactly what we have/are doing. Unfortunately we are not in a position to go for the type of player that is more likely to succeed. We can't afford or attract players like Cavani, Neymar, Falcao, Reus, Goetz etc etc. We have to try and find players who have the potential to reach that level but are more of a gamble.
Suarez was a bit of a gamble that's why nobody else signed him, thankfully he paid off.
Harry, who else hasn't proven themselves? Joe allen played well to start with and got a shoulder injury. Borini has been unlucky with injurys and assaidi from my understanding has had a virus for a few months.
So Rodgers got signings incorrect based on things outside of his control?
Don't get me wrong I doubt I would have signed those players myself, but we just don't know how many players he could have approached before hand that said no.
26 Mar 2013 19:02:22
I will tell my points.
we have already spoiled our image in transfer dealings. have already spend millions on average players. since we don't have Europe next season. we are actually screwed.
that leaves us with only very few options.
we cannot afford 20-40 million players. neither we can afford some horrible wages.
we still have some good players with us.
gerrard, suarez, agger, reina, etc.
first. let's keep our star players with us. who has been with the club from years ad has been consistent performers.
we need to bring in 2-3 players of some good quality who are available for pretty cheap because they have been frozen out of the team irrespective of any reason.
ex. germio (psg)
honda ( cska)
we also need to sell players who are simple not good enough.
downing. yes. he has improved. but no where near 20 mill and will not benefit us in long term.
if we could offload him and get us honda.
that would be excellent.
caroll. 15 mill would be a steal. we could easily get a quality striker.
we can also sell skertel and coates and must bring in 2 very prominent CB.
we need to plan. we need to scout.
we cannot afford to do one single mistake
and then we are screwed.
Ok see where you are coming from but like I said it's conjecture.
Now I'm not saying he is or would be but how do you know Honda will/would be a success in the Prem? If he was that good then surely all the big-guns would be after him or already signed him?
The same can be said of Gameiro?
The reason we have signed players like Downing, Henderson, Allen, Carroll, Adam is because they were the standout players in their previous teams and had proven they could play in the Prem.
Like I said every signing is a gamble as you never know if it will work 100%.
What we have to do with limited funds (in comparison to those above us) is try and find players who are relatively cheap, of high quality or have high potential to compete with City's, Utd's, Chelsea's £30m players.
If only managing was as easy as you seem to think it is. {Ed002's Note - There are already talks going on about Honda moving to England in teh summer.}
26 Mar 2013 10:19:31
Jordan Henderson what a player came in for a lot of stick from the fans last year and this as well but I think every fan on here would want him start every game till end of season
26 Mar 2013 10:55:33
still nowhere near 16 mill paid for him.
I am very sorry but I would not want him starting every game from now until the end of the season. £16m down the drain as far as I am concerned. Ask any Mackem fan and they will tell you they could not believe the amount we paid for him.
I disagree. I can see Henderson playing for Liverpool for a long time and not losing much money when he happens to leave. In my opinion at this moment in time he should be a starter for Liverpool.
The Irish Rover
Not £16 million? Do you not think some of that is towards expectations as he grows as a player?
Had a hard time proving him self to a fan base that got on his back instantly, yet for me he has done very well for a YOUNG talent, not saying he a gerrard replacement but will be well worth the money paid for him, I for one would start him for the rest of the season.
Life long red
26 Mar 2013 12:43:55
henderson is pretty ok player. neither a jack wilshere at the younger age nor an alonos at older age. and probably would benifit from long run.
but Liverpool FC now need CL. and 90% efficient players a season.
and I still believe he isn't going to do that for us.
for 16 mill if we would have payed to another prooven experienced player we would have been ion CL.
Fans needs 3-4 players in the summer.
if we would have bought different players instead of caroll, downing and henderson. we would ahve been in Cl by now. no doubt.
Makes me laugh when Steve Bruce said he had a chat with the chairman and valued Hendo at 4 mill and would be happy to acceot that.
then commoli came in and offered 16mill plus and Bruce said he thought it was a joke at the time, good old LFC and the management.
You can't say that Harry, you have no idea if these 'other' players would have been any better than Carroll, Downing or Henderson.
It's the same as our other debate, it's conjecture.
We all were excited when we signed Morientes, we really thought we'd got a bargain and he tuturned out to be a flop. Ryan Babel looked like he was going to be the next Henry when we signed him and he flopped.
No signing is guaranteed to be a success.
26 Mar 2013 14:43:27
dude. there is a big difference. and the differnce is CL.
when you are in CL. you can have flops in your team.
Look chelsea. they can afford oscar to be flopped for atleast 10 seaosn. never mind. they have money coming in.
Morientes babel, elzhar, degan. these poeple was the not the reason of our clubs failure
Its CL. and to achieve that. we need top qulaity CL players.
Sir alex can have anderson who is worse than Henderosn any day. But UTD are the best team around and no one cares if they blew 15 mill in atlantic ocean.
But we have limited money and we have to manage with it.
Look at spurs. they won't spend anyhting now untill theya re in CL. and if they reach. then they will splash.
Arsenal played worse than us this seaosn. but if they do reach in Cl next seaosn.
diaby, ramy, rosicky and average players won't be ever noticed.
So what do you expect us to do?
Rosicky, diaby average players? hello we were going to pay 20million for rosicky back in 2003. He's a brilliant player with loads of injures, same with Diaby.
Harry you're point on every post appears to be the same, 'everyone we have brought are flops, let's buy more players, however they will be flops'. So what exactly do you want
26 Mar 2013 19:09:00
my point is simple.
fans forget its the CL places that has cost us.
not anything else.
we did had money. but we wasted it.
and we are now in more trouble.
some saying downing has improving. improved will improve.
we need players who can get us back into top 4.
once we are in CL. we can accommodate 100 downing.
and BTW did we tried to buy rosicky for 20 mil?
my god. he is as good as arshavin. usless.
there is none good in an arsenal side. apart from jack, carzola and pobably walcot.
I'm sure dortmund fans will disagree wtih you Harry, Rosicky was a brilliant player. Dortmund paid well over 15million for him, if I remember correctly.
Two points to make to you
First: even with champions league we don't turn over the money UTD do
Second: champions league money will only stop the club running at a loss, the profit from it wouldn't be enough to compete with Man utd. You need to advance in competitions to get the big money, which we simply won't do yet.
To be honest, I'd rather have players who want to play for us, then want to play champions league football
26 Mar 2013 10:07:40
I see some people on here think shelvy will replace gerrard some day, what's your opinions on Henderson replacing gerrard because I think he would be a natural replacement for him
Ack17
Well that's true, but I expect Allen takin over Gerrard role, just being bobo Rodgers puppets. Wait and c.
Shelvey will never be a Gerrard or Lampard i'm afraid, way to slow, clumsy in the tackles and looks like Uncle Vestor from the Adams family.
Nuff said lol
Henderson will go on to be a LFC legend. He just lacks a little confidence and maturity. He is pacy, skillful and can run all day.
Shelvey I am not so sure of. Not exactly sure where he fits into the system we play. Lacks pace and composure and terrible tackler.
26 Mar 2013 09:30:32
Who would you prepare to have Rafa as director of football or Alonso as a player?
Alonso any day.
Rafa would be a bad move for the club, its time everybody moves
I want him as a manager asap.
I would love Rafa back because Brenda is just not up for the job.
Just curious as to what you all think Benitez would bring to us now if we were to sack Rodgers?
What is it that you all think Benitez could/can do that Rodgers isn't doing?
The only thing that springs to mind is a better tactical know-how to change a game when plan A isn't working.
Bring raffa back as a scout we coluld of had villa aguero and falca for next to nothing under benitez {Ed001's Note - Rafa never did any scouting, so that makes no sense.}
Rafa burnt too many bridges when he left.
26 Mar 2013 08:49:43
i hear all this loyal talk about suarez being the best player, kissing the badge every time he scores and playing every minute and its good for you to back him as you do but. what happens when he gets the move he has said he wants to CL football, will you still be singing from the same hymn sheet then or will you obliterate him as you tend to when players leave through ambition
dave
26 Mar 2013 09:32:23
I would never call him a traitor. for sure.
Club is bigger than any player. I feel he will stay for one more season before he leaves, if we qualify for champions league next year, he might well stay for a long time!
Alonso
26 Mar 2013 10:48:39
My feeling is he would stay if we got CL football. You can't blame him though for being ambitious, he is one of the top strikers in the world, he should be playing for a club where he will win things every season. However it seems he has grown to love the club and the city, and I think it would mean more to him to win things with Liverpool than with another club. I don't think he will leave this summer, he will want the challenge of helping to make the club great again. The whole squad probably knew at the start of the season that top 4 was not realistic this year. I wouldn't be mad at him for leaving for a non prem CL team, he should be playing at the top level, but I think he will stay another season
26 Mar 2013 12:46:11
y did u said top 4 was not realistic?
we had money, we have a good fan base. we are abig club. what u need more?
If we are all honest and another company came in for you to work for them, pay you more money and told you that you would be working with the top people and doing the top stuff in that company, we would mostly say yes, and hand in our notice at our present workplace.
Its just the way it is, money and glory talk i'm afraid, fact.
Interesting post, the Pool fans talk of Suarez as their saviour and keep saying "he loves the club" so often they almost begin to believe it! He "loves" you so much he was talking to Juve all last summer, LOL.
Of course, if and when he does leave, and with the passage of time, the fans attitude will change and they will not remember the worshipping of him they have been doing lately! As happened with Torres - or do people forget that?
Another great example is Michael Owen - Liverpool's best player and according to their fans one of the best around for 4/5 years but now as they look back from a time in the future, nobady remembers his worshipping and apparently he was 'all about the money' or 'not even as good as Fowler'!
How attitudes change as history becomes just that.
HB
HB
Of course you could have picked Alonso and then your point would have been blown out of the water. Its not that they leave, its how they leave. In Owen's case badly but not Alonso or Hypia if you like. I have no doubt that Suarez does love the club but he might well leave all the same, just like Alonso and still be loved. Get my drift?
The Irish Rover
26 Mar 2013 08:23:28
Hey eds and reds,
Just a quick one, have Liverpool still got the same medical staff as the other year, and last year, when Gerrard was out for most of the season. If so hats off to them they seem to be managing our players really well this year. Thanks again.
Gaz b {Ed002's Note - No.}
Cheers ed 2
Gaz b
26 Mar 2013 03:52:11
Eds, which do you think more likely? Legalisation of Cannabis in the UK or Liverpool signing Cavani?
Liverpool signing Cannabis won't happen as he wants to stay in Amsterdam!
A. Moran
It would be a pretty great summer if both happened.
JFT 96
JP
If the first happened you probably wouldn't know if the second happened as well!
A. Moran
You mean to say it's not legal!? Yikes :)
HB
26 Mar 2013 01:56:20
Any Stadia update? I. e when is proposed work starting? And what will capacity be? As even likes of West Ham will have 54,000 stadia. Surely got to get a shift on? {Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that.}
West Ham?
It's Westfield now mate.
The Juicer