Liverpool Banter Archive March 26 2014

 

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26 Mar 2014 23:54:38
Suarez was poor, and we still won, maybe he was just proving a point to poyet ;)

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It is interesting to hear other teams go on about Suarez. I think Rodgers is far more responsible for where we are than Suarez. And I am pretty sure that Suarez didn't disposess the opposition and run half length of the field and score single handedly for all of his goals this season. He has good owners, a good manager and a good team around him. We are definitely not a one man team. That trash talk is an insult to all of our other players. Poyet can eat pie.

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I think Poyet said the statement to play mind games.
Obviously never worked hence the result :):):):)

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26 Mar 2014 23:24:37
A lovely slow atmospheric YNWA before the kick off tonight.
Spine tingling.
Worth a goal start that.

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26 Mar 2014 23:22:38
Banter please Eds.

Evening Gent's.

I don't know what you boys are smoking at Anfield, but it's certainly working, lol.

7 on the bounce, let's hope you make it 14 on the bounce to stop Chelsea or City winning league.

You have been the best balanced team this season, good luck for the remainder Gent's.

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Cheers Dags be rooting for you guys on sat too lol

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Lol Simon, thanks mate

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I heard dags it was left after gazidis came up with the 40 million 1 pence offer for saurez he was rifling round in his pickets to make sure he'd brought the 1p and it fell out so brendan quick as a flash nudged it under the filing cabinet with his foot I think we should send you guys a little of our stash back your guys could do with a bit after the last week you have had

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Lol, thanks Giblet

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26 Mar 2014 23:21:41
To take 3 points when you have a "poor game" has shown how far we have come so let's take them work on the faults & move on to the next game. I wish some one would have a whisper in Suarez's ear, instead of trying to bend the ball up & over the wall every time, try hitting a low hard shot as the wall always jumps. Just a thought.
Onwards & upwards. YNWA.

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When you say a bad game I don't really think it was a bad game I think having your men behind the ball as Sunderland did for most of the match ( which I don't blame them ) makes it difficult so your forwards have to work together to break the opposition down and I really don't think our main two did that enough on the night and I do hope Brendan speaks to both of them about this because we are were we are because of team work all around the pitch and secondly I think the team took their foot off the pedal which is poor as you never get it back up to the standard needed

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26 Mar 2014 23:15:53
I know Rodgers likes to be superior in midfield and playing both Suarez and Sturridge upfront has it's benefits but I really think we've looked out best playing a 4-3-3 this year with Sterling on one wing and Suarez or Sturridge on the other (and obviously the other up front).

I think our pressing is better with it and I think with 3 forwards spread across the field it gives us more options upfield for quick attacks.

I know we haven't lost in the 4 games we've used the diamond (and have scored 14 goals) but I think today we saw how when a team really plays compact, we in turn are too compact playing the diamond. It puts too much pressure on the fullbacks to provide width.

Like I said, Rodgers likes to be superior in midfield, so against big teams the diamond may make sense. But I really think our default formation should be the 4-3-3 with Suarez-Sturridge-Sterling up front, Coutinho and Henderson at the front of the midfield and Gerrard in his deeper role.

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I think your spot on . I don't see at all why sterling was dropped for Allen . The formation we played against arsenal with Sturridge up front and Suarez sterling each side . Allen was really poor tonight when we can counter attack he plays a terrible long pass and can't make counters . He's good at the little passes in midfield but I think we lose our directness and full attacking threat when plays a head of coutinho and sterling

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I think in certain matchups it makes sense to play the diamond, but in general the 4-3-3 works best for us.

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26 Mar 2014 22:52:10
Almost caribou myself when oshea got his head on that free kick! Well done boys held in there, can't win 4-0 every game! Defence really needs to be sorted out before we play man city and Chelsea, every time we are attacked I fear wel concede! If anything does stop us winning the league it will be our defence, but hey on to the next one. Come on you reds! You made us dream, now make it a reality

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26 Mar 2014 22:51:49
I think it's definitely a legitimate worry; Mignolets distribution. But we can coach that. Things you can't coach is the shot stopping instinct he has, please don't blow the distribution thing out of proportion. He and certainly we are not the finished article. Great 3 points guys, bring on Spurs!

Special shoutout to Ken's lucky pants, which I imagine are certainly a lot browner than usual after that final 15 ;)

YNWA

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Absolutely mate Mig's shot stopping and handling is very, very good IMO. He has had to alter his distribution and ball control greatly since coming to us. Plus it doesn't aid his cause that he is compared to one of the best distributors in the game in Reina!

I think he's improved in that department but that can only improve even further as his career does. A mixture of coaching and confidence maybe, although he seems a but too confident sometimes with his drag backs! Haha

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Spot on - poor distribution doesn't leak goals. Poor shot stopping does. I know which I'd prefer a keeper to be better at, and which one needs work. Young, first season with us and still learning - some people need to lay off the lad.

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27 Mar 2014 07:46:25
Liverpress

Sorry, Poor distribution gives the ball to the oposition, resulting anything.
Everytime Skertel / Agger passes the ball to mingolet, the whole Anfeild gets tensed.

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I think what Liverpres meant was that poor distribution doesn't leak AS MANY goals as poor shot stopping etc. Mignolet is learning a new system and still learning his trade really at 26, I'm sure we'll sort it out.

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That's right Harry - anything. Even an own goal by the opposition! Perhaps Agger and Skrtel could try and distribute the ball instead of rolling it back to Mignolet under pressure.

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Or perhaps when the ball is played to Mignolet, the forward presses another 10 yards up the pitch allowing that extra bit of space for Gerrard in particular to drop into.

I agree, on times it doesn't work but there's a method to the madness.

It's all about angles really in that situation. As soon as the ball is played to Mignolet, our players need to position themselves at the correct angle to allow a far simplier pass. As soon as they ball watch, a mistake is waiting to happen.

I quite like it when the opposition try and press high in numbers, because as soon as we get it right, we're going to rip through 3/4's of the pitch in double quick time. It's just a work in progress, but if we tactically keep improving it, we'll get from A to B very quickly, and wipe out 75% of the opposing team with a few passes.

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Mignolet should be able to kick the ball fair enough that, if it loses us possession, it is closer to the opposition goalkeeper than himself. He cannot do that currently and seems errant, at best, with his goalkicks. He can be coached but it is a concern, it puts additional pressure on the team that it simply does not need.

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26 Mar 2014 22:51:46
Great result tonight where we had to dig deep and keep patient. Bit nervy at the end but got the main thing which is 3 more points.
I think at the beginning of the season our target was to get in the top 4 and champions league spot.(By the way that annoys me as it is only top 3 that goes automatically into champions league, 4th have to play a playoff game). Anyway I digress.
Am thinking that the season has gone better than expected pushing for the title and credit must go to BR for getting the players to play his way and believing in him. Football is an entertainment industry and Liverpool at the moment are as entertaining as anything I have seen for years.
The building block is there now so hopefully we can push on and with some new recruits in the summer who knows what it will bring but long may it continue as we are going back where we belong. Up there with the best.

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Top post Slaphead - sensible, composed and accurate. Am I on the right site?

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26 Mar 2014 22:42:52
Ed fellow reds, now know what old whiskey nose means by . Squeaky bum time . Well done to fans today .hopefully that was our poor game .we'll be comin we'll be comin we'll be comin down the road, when you here the noise of the bill shankley boys, we'll be comin down the road .

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26 Mar 2014 22:33:37
Wow. That game had emotion. Somehow we did it. Why didn't BR change it sooner we should've known it wasn't working when they hit the bar.
They went 3 up top and That Ki caused us massive problems. Spurs will take note,, I just hope we do

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26 Mar 2014 22:31:31
Anyone just see Rakitic's touch and assist vs Real? Brilliant skill!

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Magic .

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Yes, that was special.

I'd love to have him at Liverpool. He's the type of midfielder that will run at defences. He can score and assist. Very good all round.

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I'd love to have him, looks a really gifted player.

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26 Mar 2014 22:12:35
A nervy win tonight but it's worth 3 points, just as many as a 6-0 win is, when you look at some of The other results recently like Norwich vs City and Villa vs Chelsea I'll take that. Well done boys let's look forward to Spurs now and a special mention to the fans you make me feel honoured to be part of the family

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26 Mar 2014 22:05:43
i'm fuming over mignolet's distribution. he gave away the ball so many times tonight and we were lucky not to get punished. every time he gets the ball he either kicks it into touch or to the opposition. he needs to spend the summer with a kicking coach, because with better opposition we will not get off so lightly

also, it seems like our players are sometimes trying too hard to score and not passing to a better placed colleague. coutinho was guilty on a couple of occasions tonight as was suarez. if they'd have passed we'd have easily put that game to bed before they scored

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Yeah, way to exaggerate. Migggs was ok, he's given the ball under far too much pressure by the defense at poor angles almost 90 degrees, when they should be be much greater. it doesn't help either that coutinho, suarez, allen, sterling aren't exactly aerial battle winners

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26 Mar 2014 22:02:37
Got to remember Sunderland are fighting for there life to stay up well played took our foot of the gas again win against spurs will probably guarantee champions league football which was the aim from the beginning anything else is a bonus make us dreammmm!

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26 Mar 2014 22:00:56
Far far from our best tonight, would have kept Sturridge on and taken Suarez off personally but the gaffer does what he does. Nerve racking is not the word but 3 points in the bag!

No stand out performers tonight but if I had to pick I would say Coutinho as he kept the ball well and moved it quickly, Gerrard and Sturridge, unlucky not to get a hattrick with a shot off the bar and Suarez unknowingly blocking his shot.

Crowd and players seemed to feel the nerves badly but we won.

Lets hope we're back to ourselves against Spurs on Sunday!

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Pulling Sturridge off was, for me, absolutely the wrong decision. Frankly this seems to be a habit of BR's and I imagine it is not going to leave Sturridge very pleased if it continues like this.

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{Ed001's Note - you might want to hold your horses on that moan. It is medical advice to protect him that sees him being brought off every game.}

Have to take your word for it, Ed001 (not that I doubt you), but he looks right annoyed every time and I can't imagine he's pleased by it. He had a good game up to that point and things fell apart a bit after he went off.

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{Ed001's Note - no one likes coming off, especially when they are playing well or on the verge of a hat trick, but it is better that than ending the season early. He knows that.}

There you go - a perfect example of people with limited knowledge thinking they know more than the manager who has full knowledge. Have some faith in the man who has boosted our club to 2nd in the league, and stop second guessing him and looking for things to have a go out.

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Liverpres. Suarez was poor tonight. I;d have risked the injury and taken suarez off and keept sturddige on. Suarez was having a very poor one, and sturridge was doing very well

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I said 'for me' it was the wrong decision, Liverpres. Clearly I'm not BR nor a mind reader, so if there are reasons (as Ed001 as said) for it, then fair enough. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it seems to annoying Sturridge (again, I'm not a mind reader nor Sturridge and perhaps he's totally fine with the situation, I'm just speculating) and I do have some concerns that perhaps it's leading to a bit of an issue between the two players who don't seem quite as happy with each other these days (again, for the sake of Liverpres, this is my interpretation of what I see as I'm also not Suarez).

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Why would you risk an injury, I'm glad your not the manager. He is injury free and managed correctly to ensure he can play in as many games with out picking up niggling injuries. I think people are more upset then Sturridge is, calm down.

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Fair do's if that is the case good management from Rodgers, I'd prefer Studge fit than risking an injury! Just thought he had the better game and would have been more dangerous on the counter with Raheem coming on, ta for the info ed001.

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RDL you also said it seems Rodgers has made a habit out of it. Be hard to break a habit that has yielded 7 wins on the bounce and unbeaten in the league 3 calendar months running.

Bobatron I hope you don't coach at any level mate if you would rather risk player injuries when you are winning the game.

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RDL,
I don't see what you see. I see winning mentality. As fans begin to dream about titles, so are they. And the top scorers want more goals now that they're used to one each. This is what we've be crying out for. And you cannot be more joyful than Sturridge/Suarez than after the Sturridge goal/Suarez assist just the other night? Unless your name is Jon and you've just scored a beauty of a first goal.

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Yeah because an extra 20 minutes would almost guarantee injury. If you're chasing titles you ask people to put bodies on the line, play through injury barriers and you keep your best men on the pitch.
GJ played with an injury, vorm has played with and injury for half the season, rooney played with broken toes.
Yet DS can't play and extra 15 mins, INCASE he gets injured. Liverpres I'd urge you to go and get a clue about coaching.

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{Ed001's Note - an extra 20min can actually guarantee it, depending on the type of injury issue you are guarding against. Sturridge is not 100% fit, he already is putting his body on the line and playing through injury barriers.}

KR/Liverpres/et al-
I'll be the first to admit that at the end of the day regardless of what any of us (including me) think, things are going brilliantly and any criticism of the team, BR, the owners or anyone associated with Liverpool is just a bit nitpicky as clearly the results are there for all to see.

That said, moving forward I am a bit concerned about what I (perhaps incorrectly) perceive as a bit of a schism between Suarez and Sturridge. They've always argued a bit on the pitch, but recently things just seem that little bit more tense between them and I think we need them both at their best for the next 7. Hopefully I'm completely off base and they'll show us against Spurs this weekend what a deadly duo they are.

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Fair enough RDL - we want the same thing in the end.

Bobatron - we were winning the match mate. If we were chasing the match, there is a stronger case for risking injury and keeping Sturridge on. I don't see the point when we are winning.

I am trying to get clues about coaching - in my second season actually and so far so good - not as good as Rodgers, but good enough.

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So Ed001 Sturridge has to play 70 mins every game that's it, that's his cut off point, then he's guaranteed to get injured?!?!?!?

When Ki and Johnson came on it was clear the game changed drastically. as evidenced by the goal, close header, and the increase in shots on target. Keeping Studge on would have been the right thing in my mind.

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{Ed001's Note - you are not listening, he is not 100% fit, so he is given as long as possible until the staff see signs of him tiring. So talk of him getting injured is pointless, it is preventing him aggravating the injury that is the issue. He plays with a burst of acceleration, when tired that leads to problems. Best thing for everyone is to take him off, especially as we had a lead and won the game! What the hell is wrong with you moaning about a decision that cost us nothing anyway? It is like you are just looking for things to moan about now.}

26 Mar 2014 22:00:20
Ken those lucky pants must be stained because mine are but I bet it won't stop perez trying to poach them we got the result most importantly a couple more were gaurenteed champs league i'm daring to dream now I was 11 last time we won the league it actually feels like a lifetime ago just maybe I won't have to wait anothe 25 years to see us lift it again

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26 Mar 2014 21:58:40
Well that was new. Very nervous indeed. I would be surprised if the fans have any nails left!

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26 Mar 2014 21:56:13
A bit nerve wracking towards the end, but were going to have a few of those between now and the end of the season.that game will have done us more good than a simple 4 nil win though.looking forward to spurs

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26 Mar 2014 21:55:47
Ref was a bad bottler - definite red card for there defender, definite pen for the foul on coutinho: nothing given.

Nervy game, a lot more difficult than it should have been but grinding out results is just as important as playingn teams off the park - Arsenal drew yesterday in a tight game where they didn't play the best, we won. Good omens.

p.s. though Flanno was good tonight. Wasn't sure why either Coutinho or Allenn weren't brought off for Lucas inn the final 10 - gap between defense and midfield was enormous.

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That ref was embarrassing. That kiddie should've gone twice.

But then most refereeing is poor in this country.

Look at the Fellaini elbow last night!

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Good call seano thought Lucas could have been used in the second half just to get a bit more possession in midfield.

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Ref was very poor, knew he wasn't going to give us anything the way he told Suarez to get on with it in first few minutes after defender went through the back of him. Haven't seen any replays on telly but in the match it seemed an absolute 100% pen on Suarez in second half, can't understand why Suarez would go down as he was about to pull the trigger going into the box.

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Lucas could've done with coming on at half time to sure things up. I was thinking the same thing at half time lol, please don't let us lose. most nervous game of the year.

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26 Mar 2014 21:55:17
I'll take that. 3 points is all that matters at the business end!

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I would take 8 games one nil with ogs in every game. 3pts is what its all about

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26 Mar 2014 21:55:07
I think. I think my heart stopped beating

1 point off the top.this is incredible!

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26 Mar 2014 21:53:35
could be biggest win of season that. lost we would have been in top 4 battle now its title battle

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26 Mar 2014 21:53:25
Can win every match in style well done lads work on your nevers haha

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26 Mar 2014 21:52:43
Eds fellow reds, good result .poor performance, BR needs to tell the front three that they are a team .it starting to look like who can have most shots . If they don't start playing the simple ball they will throw it all away .

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26 Mar 2014 21:52:42
Not at our best but proved we can grind 'em out when needed.

Johnson was so frustratingly poor tonight.

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Many were poor mate. Midfield went missing in 2nd half. Coutinho played well.

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We weren't firing on all cylinders no, can't every game, but Johnson was awful for me.

Whenever he got the ball he took the pace out of the game then either lost it or delivered a poor cross.

Still, Johnson aside we battled on and a point off top!

COME ON!

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26 Mar 2014 21:52:13
The magnificent 7!
7 wins in a row, phenomenal run.
Not a great 2nd half performance, but that will bring the players back down to earth and will have taught them a lesson.

Now get back in your box Poyet!

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26 Mar 2014 21:50:33
2-1? How ordinary haha

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26 Mar 2014 21:39:23
Poor 2nd half from us. Playing like the away team. Nervous last 10 now.

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26 Mar 2014 21:01:13
Yer and while I'm up on the soap box, another anoying thing in live is that bloody pepsi advert with messy.
Suarez would have kicked it up from the ground and turned it into a can of coke.

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26 Mar 2014 20:57:05
Tough and frustrating 1st half. Got to up our speed of movement on and off the ball in the 2nd half to create the space for chances to come! Great free kick from Gerrard though, come on Reds!!

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Keep the faith. We seem so nervous at the back actually all over the pitch except SG

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I always have faith KW! We were all nervy crowd included, Gerrard was a calming prescence I agree with you on that. 3 points though so we did the job!

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Apologies *SW.

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26 Mar 2014 20:55:50
Carra for me, he'd help to sure up our defence with his leadership. He also deserves his winners medal when we are crowned champions this season ha

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That was meant to be a reply to my earlier post. Whoops

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26 Mar 2014 20:51:39
The referee is on one. How were they not two red cards?! Johnson has been so so bad. However

WERE GOING TO WIN THE LEAGUE!

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The ref has done fine. And so has johnson.

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26 Mar 2014 20:49:09
I stand by my comment that I really don't see what Coutinho brings to the team, poor passer, can't shoot, doesn't seem to be able to control ball when passed to him and terrible in defense. A couple go good spells in a couple of games is not good enough at this level.

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We are winning, he is young and has shown he has real quality. Some fans are never happy. If you'd said Johnson however, I would have agreed ha.

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I hate comments like this!

We are half way through a game, which we are winning, through a goal created by the 21 year old youngster that you are slating.

Get a grip!

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Ball control is his strongest quality. If you can't see how well he dribbles then you're not watching him.

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Guys it's a banter page, no banter then no page. It's my opinion, I don't think he is cutting it. So what about his age, if that's the case play one of the U-21 who didn't cost millions and we can use the excuse he's even younger, you get a grip. BANTER PAGE .

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26 Mar 2014 21:14:41
Tjred

Spot on.

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So what we should sell this little 21 year old wonder kid and what by a english player or sign some out of our price range out side the PL who could completely flop?

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Mcgoveb
That is the most ludicrous statement I've read on here for a very long time

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You're moaning its a banter page, the complain people are replying? Isn't that more banter than just everyone agreeing with you lol?

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What you said was not banter, it was an personic statement about a young player with a lot of talent and potential.

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An assist?

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Banter page? I thought it was a bullsh#t page with a post like that!

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Motm not good enough huh?

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Couldn't disagree more with this point, were you not watching tonight? Haha. His control and dribbling are an absolute pleasure to watch and he is a real bright spark in the team. I do believe he needs to work on his final product, particularly in shooting but that will no doubt improve. In 4 or 5 years I think he will be the best attacking midfield in the league. Man of the match tonight as well.

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McGoveb, can't understand your post at all, coutinhos ball control is superb, not sure when you posted that but he was my mom tonight,

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Man of the match. Says. It. All.

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Mcgoveb. wait till we get another winger to play wide left. pushing coutinho central. he doesn't play well out wide. He prefers to be on the edge of the area, dictating where the ball goes and creating openings through one two's. He does this particularly well with Johnson and Hendo. I suggest you watch for this in the future, when he gets a chance to drop into an area around the semi circle of the goal

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Not a comment on last nights game when I thought PC played OK. He might not be in top form but your comments are way over the top. Similar things have been written about Hendo when he was having a lean spell, but he was playing poorly. They are both young and Coutinho will improve. Give him a break.

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26 Mar 2014 20:47:04
Flanno has been immense

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He just gets better and better.

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Red cafu

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26 Mar 2014 20:40:13
I sincerely apologies for even suggesting to leave out gerrard, the man is a god.

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Maybe you should suggest we sub Suarez and Sturridge as well. Lol

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What one the premise they will both score? ;)

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Exactly, seems you did with Sturridge anyway :)

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26 Mar 2014 20:25:14
Glen Johnson up to his usual tricks of trying to dribble past 5 men then hoof it into the box without so much as looking up. He played well last game, why can't he just do what he did then which was keep it simple.

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26 Mar 2014 20:00:36
Singing along to you'll never walk alone, alone in my room. Do I feel silly? Yes, do I care? No!
C'mon Liverpool please win!

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Benny if you are feeling silly then you not singing loud enough. I am giving my laptop a team talk but the players are ignoring me, that is strange.

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Just don't give them a high five mate else you'll need a screen repair haha

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26 Mar 2014 19:59:43
Hello all!
Wow! What a reception for the players tonight. I can't remember the last time that there was so much positivity around not just the ground, but the club as a whole.
Expectations are very very high, but let's not take too much for granted, and if we don't get the result tonight I hope we can still take that kind of passion into all our remaining games.

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26 Mar 2014 19:55:05
Going for a 5-0 win tonight with Studge to score first. Come on boys! #3points

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26 Mar 2014 19:42:23
Anyone else finding it bloody anoying to log into the Liverpool rumous pages with the sound switched on.
You've go David Moyes still with the prematch interview for the Liverpool game, '' I think every one knows how important Manchester united Liverpool games are. I think we've got two great strikers in Robin and wayne''

Can't we get back to the Brazilial cuties and russian wives? it was at least a little bit more truthful.

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26 Mar 2014 19:31:06
Wish I was in Liverpool tonight instead of in
front of a computer in sunny France with a bottle of
Chateau neuf de Pape. Come on you reds.

Well make the two bottles of CNDP - its a game of two halves.

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26 Mar 2014 19:29:30
I may have stolen this from the BBC, but who would be the one player from the past that you would bring in to today's squad and why? No slating of the current players please. Would love an answer from any of the Eds.

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{Ed001's Note - has to be Barnes at his best. Fills that left wing hole.}

Thanks ed, much appreciated

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King Kenny.

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Carragher or hyppia in their prime would sort out many of our defensive issues.

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Have to agree with the Ed on that one!

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26 Mar 2014 19:29:13
Sunderland going 352 with full backs on the wings. We are unchanged.

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26 Mar 2014 19:27:51
BR just said thanks to all the supporters for the welcome they got coming in today. He said it was massive, great to see the support.

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26 Mar 2014 19:12:41
Unchanged team lads

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26 Mar 2014 18:43:22
I don't care if one go's in off Sturridges arse as long as we get 3 points

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Lucky pants are ON!

There will be goals tonight lads!

Come on you reds.

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26 Mar 2014 18:30:49
Classic . Somebody said giving moyes Juan mata was like giving their granny a smart phone.

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It was Adrian Durham. Was going to post it myself.

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And a pair of google glasses.

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Or giving a chimp a typewriter.

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26 Mar 2014 17:41:01
Eds.who in your opinion will start tonite countino or sterling personally I whld go with countino tnite and sterling vs spurs think he have a right go at naughton now walker injured.ynwa reddave

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{Ed001's Note - I think it will be Sterling.}

According to Waro both start. Allen drops out.

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Wrong! Sterling does not start!

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{Ed001's Note - it was just a guess mate.}

Don't you know you're not allowed guesses Ed? It has to be nailed on, straight from Brendan's mouth. We don't pay you the big coin for guesses, tut tut tut.

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{Ed001's Note - pay me?}

26 Mar 2014 17:19:46
Eds fellow reds, another big game tonight getting to be a regular thing for us at the moment . Take each one as they come hopefully another 3 pts . My question to all is who would you prefer to get forth arsenal, spurs, bluenoses or Manchester United . Sorry my mistake utd aren't in that equation. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah .c'mon moyes quality

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26 Mar 2014 15:38:59
Ed 1 if you are about can you tell me what you think is going right (sorry I mean wrong LOL) for Davie moyes at man u, I like reading your in depth analysis and thought it would be good to hear what you think the reasons are he's doing such a sterling job! lol cheers

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{Ed001's Note - there are lots of factors, the longstanding failure to add a decent central midfielder being a major one that is not Moyes' fault. The things, off the top of my head, that Moyes can be blamed for are more contributing to the existing problems, as much as anything.
For starters, he joined the reigning champions and decided nothing was right so removed all the coaching staff and replaced it with the ones who worked with him at Everton. So it was total turmoil at the start of the season as the players had to get used to the new training regime and tactics, as well as a new approach.
Added to that is the problem of the staff he brought in being extremely average coaches. That was ok at Everton, he came in at a struggling team, fighting relegation, average means mid-table, which was a big step up at the time. At United, he is taking over the team at the top, so it is taking them backwards massively, this affects confidence, as the team are used to winning and are no longer doing so.
Then there is the training, which is prehistoric and boring. Again it was something he could get away with at Everton, because he was in such a position of strength as manager that the players were unable to challenge him. At United he is being challenged by players who have numerous winners medals and they are unhappy with his methods. It is far too tough on their bodies, it takes no account of individual weaknesses etc. Moyes will never vary it for individuals who are unable to cope with it, even if they are 16 or suffered from long standing injuries. At Everton, most young players ended up suffering badly and fading due to the overtraining. Those that did get into the first team squad suffered badly through injury problems, all caused by the training methodology.
The main issue is his tactics, which are safety first. Even the Everton fans, despite them being grateful to him for what he had done, were turning on him for those. There was a home game against Spurs, which Everton were narrowly losing, so Moyes took off a forward and replaced him with a defensive player. United are an attacking side, their players' strengths are attacking, and they are being asked to defend.
There are many other minor factors, lack of pace in the squad, a youth academy suffering a little from neglect etc.}

You're missing one factor Ed and that is that the players aren't really good enough, the title win last year was incredible with that team.
Moyes never had the cv for the job and I think will be replaced in the summer if not before. I still think Van Gaal may get the job and not the spurs job

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{Ed001's Note - the squad is better than the position they are in, so I don't see that as the issue.}

I agree Ed but not top 4

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26 Mar 2014 15:41:15
Im going to say 4-0 tonight
Suarez - 3
Sturridge - 1

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Love the win, emphatic or not and no injuries, these teams battling at the bottom can sometimes get frustrated and lash out and have a moment of crazy, just look at Fellaini and Welbeck last night for Man Utd. :)

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Gerrard (pen) hasn't scored for a while, I'll go for him tonight along with Suarez 3 & Sturridge in a 5-0 demolition.

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26 Mar 2014 14:59:26
". Juan Mata has won more matches at OT in a Chelsea shirt than in a UTD shirt. "

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26 Mar 2014 14:58:14
For the life of me I hope John W Henry gets his finger out and gives Moyes a new contract, as he surely passed his kpi's for this year

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See kids this is why we don't smoke crack

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Moyes? .

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26 Mar 2014 14:46:51
Are we looking at any other wingers apart from kono, fischer, ayew, dszudask (sorry for the spelling) Firmino, Gaitan

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search function for these and other players.}

26 Mar 2014 13:30:36
With Lucas back in contention now and Chelsea on the horizon, what are your thoughts on a midfiled diamond with Lucas at the base and Gerrard at the top? With Henderson and Allen providing the legs as they have been doing there is always the option to mix it up after 60-65mins with the withdrawal of Lucas for Sterling/Coutinho and Gerrard dropping back.

I get the feeling Maureen will have Luiz in the middle to try and physically bully in that space, not sure if Couts or Raheem would do well in that case.

I know we should focus on our game and not theirs, but it could be a great tactical surprise Maureen would not expect?

SwissRednToronto

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26 Mar 2014 14:22:51
At Anfield, Against any opponent, We will score

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26 Mar 2014 14:22:51
At Anfield, Against any opponent, We will score

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I hope they put Luiz on Sterling or Coutinho, his lack of agility and acceleration will see them pass him easily. Pray they don't play Mikel. They much better defensively with him on

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The problem as I see it is that we will concede a goal or two as well. against the top teams that could be our undoing.i am enjoying the ride that is our season anyway but to win the title I think we need to win all our games.

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Adam, Luiz is very fast for a cb.

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26 Mar 2014 13:27:41
We're on course to set the record for most goals scored in a prem league season ever

On course with our striker to set the record for most league goals in a season by a single striker

On course to set the record for most goals in a prem league season for a strike combo

Would be a shame that with all them stats that we don't win the league. If only our defense was a little better. West brom home, villa home and everton away come to mind

None the less very happy with where we are at

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26 Mar 2014 14:23:45
New castle and Hull city away

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26 Mar 2014 14:23:45
New castle and Hull city away

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26 Mar 2014 12:17:04
I know stats aren't everything blah blah blah, but this is an interesting one all the same -

Jon Flanagan has made the same amount of tackles as Luke Shaw, and scored more goals, and has managed this even by playing in only half as many games as Shaw.

Definitely surprised me!

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JP

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Flanno is also 3+ years older

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26 Mar 2014 13:06:35
Flanno is about 2 and half years older but that is irrelevant as Flanagan has missed about 2 seasons through injury putting them both at approximately the same stage of their development. Flanno has also had to fight harder to get game time unlike Shaw who walked into what was a very average Southampton team (despite their rapid improvements). I'm not saying Flanno is better, but he is currently as good.

They are different defenders though. Flanno is like a young Carragher. Passion, agression, leadership and power. Shaw is more like a young Bale. Speed, flair and great at intercepting lose balls due to bursts of acceleration. Shaw is arguably more suited to our style of play, but would you rather have Flanno on £15k a week who would die for the club, or Shaw on £75k a week (ignoring the £30m pound hole in the bank) who has one eye on a future move to Chelsea?

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Watch a game. Stats don't say everything. Shaw is a much better crosser. He takes up better defensive positions. Doesn't get turned inside out by pace quite as easily.( flannos kryptonite)

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EMS - Couldn't agree more regarding their different styles of play. Like you say, Shaw is reminiscent of a young Bale with the way he bombs down the flanks. got to say I've been really impressed with Flanagan's passing game too though, he isn't shy at playing decent through balls and most of the time seems to offload and track back to fill in space where teams could break on the counter. Really hope he gets another goal this season, the team celebration was possibly the best I've seen all season!

fanatic viewer - It wasn't a comment on their development or their ability vs age mate, simply a stat I found interesting considering the plaudits Shaw has been getting.

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Bobatron - Please see the first sentence in my post, I know stats don't say everything, and I watch plenty of games. I just thought people would find it of interest, obviously not!

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Yeah I understand but I was making the point you'd expect a 21/22 year old to be doing better than an 18 year old also I'd like to ask anyone how much worse was flanno at Shaws age than Shaw is now & the answer is he wasn't half the player.

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Would you expect a 21 year old to be doing significantly better though considering he has been sidelined and been playing a bit part role for a good while prior to his inclusion this season? I'm not arguing your point, more just curious to see what your opinion is. Either way, I can see Shaw being much more the complete player in the coming years, however as EMS said, Flanno has shown huge amounts of commitment and the right attitude to succeed. Fair play to the both of them I guess.

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Would you expect a 21 year old to be doing significantly better though considering he has been sidelined and been playing a bit part role for a good while prior to his inclusion this season? I'm not arguing your point, more just curious to see what your opinion is. Either way, I can see Shaw being much more the complete player in the coming years, however as EMS said, Flanno has shown huge amounts of commitment and the right attitude to succeed. Fair play to the both of them I guess.

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One thing oft mentioned about Shaw is his 'attacking prowess' yet he's created the same number of chances as Johnson with 600 more minutes and has one less assist than Johnson (1 assist versus 2). Even Clyne has similar chance creation metrics to Shaw, yet 3 more assists and that with 1000 less minutes played. I realize stats aren't everything, but from an attacking perspective Shaw hasn't done as much as I think most people seem to be giving him credit for. Looking at the defensive side, Flanno has him outclassed by a fair bit in terms of things like tackles/interceptions. The one issue I see with Flanagan is his 'dribbled past' metric is really high for LB/RB (much higher than the likes of Shaw and most others), but I don't think that's exactly surprising given he's not exactly the fastest.

Granted Shaw is only 18 and for his age is an extremely good player and I get that, but projections into the future are always difficult as near anything could happen. Bottom line is right now his contribution to Soton is not near the valuation being placed on him in my opinion and that price is reflective of 'potential' much more than reality.

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I have said this before and I will say it again Shaw is better because he has pace and to be a fullback these days that is essential. Flanno has been great don't get me wrong but his lack of pace makes him a weak link in the team. It won't take long for teams to target him and he will get exposed. If he goes up against a hazard, Walcott, or navas he will get ripped apart for pace.

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26 Mar 2014 12:10:51
Can Borini play against his parent club tonight?

(shows how well he/his loan deal is doing that I am worried!)

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

I'm slightly worried bout them recalling wickham for this game tbh. Could be a handfull

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I'm slightly worried bout them recalling wickham for this game tbh. Could be a handfull

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You put blah blah blah, I thought You were intimating your feeling that they actually do.fair enough

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26 Mar 2014 11:58:02
Really looking forward to this run in, but it will only take ONE bad result for us to be in a position of not thinking of winning the league. I think Chelsea will not slip up much, if at all, and City won't drop many points.

Realistically we should not be in contention anyway, but we are. I still think we will drop points soon, WBA showed a weakness that the big two don't have.

I am enjoying the fact we are up there, and playing such exciting stuff. However, I think we may have to be satisfied with a top 4 finish. Even that is not done yet, and it might be a slight disappointment to only get 4th. For me, that shows just how good a season we are having.

We dare to dream? I'm too much of a pessimist for that.

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In the position we are now, i'd be disappointed if we don't finish 3rd and automatic qualification to cl.

I would love for us to win the title but two reason why it looks very difficult.

1) After six straight wins we need to win the next 8 which seems improbable a run like that

2) City look so strong and determined since the hull match and with aguero and nastasic coming back and only the league to concentrate on will be too powerfull for Liverpool and chelsea

I'd be ecstatic with a third place finish

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I would be happy with top 3.

I want to win for Stevie! (and ed001)

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26 Mar 2014 11:21:05
I've just read about messi being a nasty git I'm shocked I presumed he had a nice personality for some reason. Ed001 is there any other players that are really nasty that you can think off? It's an interesting read.

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{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head I can't think of anyone, very few are in such a privileged position as him. In fact, come to think of it, no other player is in that position, where they can literally do anything they want with no repercussions.}

He was dead nice when I met him although it was a while ago and he would have been still very young.
Ronaldo is arrogant and cocky the ed is right, but I imagine most people would be in his shoes. Lol

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26 Mar 2014 11:02:28
Would be over the moon if we went all out to sign Adam Llalana!

He is playing really well at the moment and has been for a long time.

I have read that some people think he is a big fish in a small pond. Disagree.

I think if he was surrounded with quality players he would be amazing and could become a world beater!

(e.g. Suarez, sturridge, gerrard, hendo, sterling, coutinho, Johnson, agger, skrtel, flanno, mingolet.)
Really do hope we show interest!

What do you guys think?
who would be your number 1 signing of the summer.

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Do you not read the site often?

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26 Mar 2014 10:51:18
The speed which UTD are going down, Soon they would find oil

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Good to see you still make the most sense on this page Harry

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Good one Harry.

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26 Mar 2014 12:14:39
But I got a bigger one today

Arsenal have every chance to see UTD ATM.

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The DeMoyes of untied eh!

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Arsenal are only 2 points behind us. yes we have a game in hand, but never forget where we were. the season isn't over yet.

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26 Mar 2014 13:41:00
Kaizer

We were 6 opints behind them one stage, With gods grace we would be 6 above them tonight, and probably 9 this sudnay.
Dont see Arsenal beating City

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A game in hand, and they play City next. That game either helps us with the title push or cements top 3.

Arsenal on the other hand now have to worry about Everton. If Everton win their next 2 games and Arsenal lose to City they will go above them.

Everyone was saying a few weeks ago how Arsenal are in danger of ruining their season and I didn't quite believe them but if they continue like this and they might not even make top 4.

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26 Mar 2014 14:26:15
Noshbag

Spot on, And I honeslty don't see Arsenal beating Everton at Goodison,
The ony game City might drop points, would be the last game against Everton.
Everton, like us are very strong at home.
City full backs are poor and Everton have the best full backs in the league

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26 Mar 2014 14:26:15
Noshbag

Spot on, And I honeslty don't see Arsenal beating Everton at Goodison,
The ony game City might drop points, would be the last game against Everton.
Everton, like us are very strong at home.
City full backs are poor and Everton have the best full backs in the league

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26 Mar 2014 10:34:18
Dagenham Gunner if your around if Arsenal were to miss out on 4th to Everton would it be time to say fair well to Wenger or has he earned enough stirps to het another contract also who would you like to replace him Southamptons gaffer possibly??

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26 Mar 2014 10:21:03
Is there any fans on here going early to the game tonight? Every stream of media BR has asked for the fans to get their early and create an atmosphere! I'm 100+ miles away and I can feel the excitement, anfield is going to be a cauldron of intimidation, I can just feel it brewing! C'mon the pool!

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Sorry Benny I'm a five minutes before kick off type, getting my last pint in five minutes before that, but I will b shoutin for the lads straight from kick off.

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Well I want to be hearing you louder than the rest ;) do you know if the greeting of the coach is going ahead?

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Won't be there myself, have a pint for me waro mate and goodluck to the lads

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I'll be hollering all game Benny, don't know anything about the coach welcoming tbh, will do Big Ears, Babysham and Crabbies I drink though mate, haha!

Got the team before, haven't posted it for a while as it attracts abuse if one player changes but here it is, hopefully there's know late changes.

Mignolet

Johnson Agger Skrtel Flannagan

Henderson Stevie Stirling

Sturridge Coutinho Suarez .

Bench I haven't heard!

COME ON YOU REDMEN!

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White wine spritzer for me :P.
Full on attack so. feels like an age since we had this line up and feels like an age since we played at home.
6 nil. how you say waro
I fancy sturridge to score first and hit the 20 mark tonight.

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Saying nothing Mr Ears, don't want to jinx it. Just off the pub to talk tactics and what if's for three and a half hours before the game, COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS, LET'S DO THEM!

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Don't worry waro
Ken hope you have your boxers ready.

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Fair enough if that's the line up. Personally I'll disagree, I don't see why we need to drop Allen, unless he's got a knock? Or actually, maybe it's BRs choice to play a 433 at home? So sterling and Suarez back out wide?

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26 Mar 2014 09:54:00
All the UTD fans believe, Moyes would be buidling a new team in summer, Given the fact, there would be more than 6 players leaving UTD, and would require atelast 5-6 players in the summer.
Question : Will 2 months be enough to conculde transfer for 6 top players ( would have to face competition from other top clubs).
They couldn't get fabrigas over the line, and are dreaming for bringing 6 new players (Spurs in the making)

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I really hope moyes does buy 6 players, his transfer activity so far has been useless.

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Even if they buy 10 new players, Moyesie wouldn't have a clue how to get the best out of them. Also, buying large number of players in a window is not advisable; we under Kenny and Spurs are reminders.

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And they can never slag off city or chelsea again about buying the league if they spend the kinda money that's going around.

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I'd think it near impossible to achieve attaining the combined quality and quantity needed in transfers for them to challenge again in one window. Real life just simply isn't Fifa or Football Manager where you could do that!

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I'd think it near impossible to achieve attaining the combined quality and quantity needed in transfers for them to challenge again in one window. Real life just simply isn't Fifa or Football Manager where you could do that!

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26 Mar 2014 09:50:04
Can't believe some people on this site, wishing Kewell all the best and saying he gave his all for us while he was here, there are a select few on here who seem scared to say anthing which may be percieved as negative against Liverpool past or present, Harry Kewell was a tourist who fleeced Liverpool Football Club for millions of pounds ( a club he professed to support ), a small portion of which came from my hard earned money.

His performances were in no way shape or form indicative of a Liverpool supporter, a con artist who was only interested in the materialistic trappings of football. Does anyone remember him scoring ( not sure v who off the top of my head ) and he used a gesture to the main stand that Ross from Friends did on the show that gave the middle finger without actually giving it, fans of that particular show will know want I'm talking about, and no doubt he milked his A-LEAGUE team for millions before retiring, then again he probably found his level in the sun and miraculously stayed injury.

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{Ed001's Note - I have to say that I fully agree with you on this one Waro. It doesn't happen all that often, but this is one thing I can't disagree with you at all. He treated the fans with contempt and deserves nothing but contempt from the fans in return.}

All I remember of his playing career was him putting2 stone on when joining Liverpool haha

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Missed free off the end of my post there Ed001, but my blood was boiling as I posted, haha!

Could not agree more with your reply's by the way, so this is for you mr Kewell, I am banging my fists together at my laptop screen ala Ross from Friends and giving you a virtual middle finger, you complete **** fill in the blanks as you see fit for that's last word readers.

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It was Everton if I remember correctly Waro.

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You could be right PJ, I just can't remember, but I know he did it and not many people got onto it, I remember after the game telling the lads in the boozer and they didn't have a clue what I was on about as they weren't big Friends fans at the time, glad you remembered though PJ, because I'm not sure many people will.

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Anyone remember his step over in slow motion haha

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He missed about a third of his games through injury while playing in oz Waro just read.
I remember his transfer to us was controversial and he pissed Leeds off with his greed.
Can't believe he actually got a champions league medal.

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Completely agree with you Waro and ed001. He was responsible for one of the most exciting build ups - remembering how good he was for Leeds and what more he could achieve here being a fan and all - and yet the most disappointing Liverpool career bar none (in my memory anyway which stretches to the early 1980s).

The guy was a money grabbing sheister who deserves nothing but contempt, derision and disrespect, which is exactly what he had for the club, the fans and the traditions.

Still galls me that he got a champions league and FA cup medal whilst he was here - deserved neither.

He was one of the first of the, now unfortunately more common, phenomenon of footballers playing ONLY for the money.

Really wish. We had got hold of Dunn instead of Kewell that summer.

All the best for your retirement, Harry, thanks for everything (!)

Z

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Well said Waro mate, my thoughts exactly.

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What do you guys think of Aquilani then?

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Harry Keeell career is like quite a few socceroos. They kept going on too long e.g. Lucas Neill, Sasa Ognenovski, Mark Schwarzer etc.

Regarding his injuries in Australia, he missed most of his matches due to 'whiplash' after a ball got kicked in his head. During this time he publicly announced he believed he would make it to the World Cup.

All in all, about time the 'softie' called it a day.

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A think u all got this wrong about the guy!
a think in fact the guy in a genius!
if he hadn't of faked injury in that final in 2005 then didi wouldn't have been brought on and we wouldn't have that famous cup to keep lol

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26 Mar 2014 09:45:08
Just looking through the Players stats for all players in the premier league and was quite surprised to see we have averaged 2.5 points a game in the league when Agger has been playing (19 Apps / 16 starts) - I think that shows he has earned the right to stay if he wants! Martin Kelly has averaged 2.6 points, but has hardly played.

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What where the stats for the rest of the defence though mate?

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26 Mar 2014 08:52:09
Phil Jones.
How to completely ruin what should have been England's centre half and future captain.
Well done Man Utd.
I've always said he should have come to Liverpool.

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He's as thick as he looks though unfortunately and chose wrong.

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26 Mar 2014 08:44:14
Here is my personal hope index which changes after each significant game.
This is after MUFC v MCFC and Arsenal v Swansea
See how it is after tonight game….

Disappointing season: 0 (Since the Spurs game)
Top four: 9 [up 2], (after Arsenal draw to Swansea)
Top three: 8 [up 2], (Ditto)
Top two: 4 [Down 1], (after capitulation of MUFC to MCFC)
Champions: 0 [No change], (See below)
Dare to dream: 3 [Down 2], (see above)
Dreaming: 1 [Down 1], (see above)

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I realise that I am exposing my ignorance but I can't follow this post at all

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It's made up nonsense. It's how I feel after each significant game.
It was very different at the beginning of the season.

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26 Mar 2014 08:43:14
After yesterday, I am confident Cleverly will fly to Brazil, Might Roy drop both Barkely and Hendo.
Cleverly is such a talent.

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I expect to see him and welbeck at the World Cup, both useless but as long you play for united you'll get picked!

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To be fair, I don't like to slate any players. (Especially English)
But Tom Cleverly cannot travel. If he does it is a stubborn choice.

(In my opinion)

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26 Mar 2014 10:21:43
That Moment when you realize, Fergie kept Cleverly and sold Pogba.

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Paul left after refusing to sign a new deal

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26 Mar 2014 08:21:53
If 72 pts is magic CL qual points tally, you can see how thus Sunderland game tonight is a must win - we have to play with intensity tonight. The rest of our home games are not the easiest; spurs, city, Chelsea and Newcastle. Ok, Newcastle exception. We can win games, but easy to slip up if we think it is a given.

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26 Mar 2014 08:11:15
Eds, Is this the first time, Both Liverpool and City have doubled over UTD?.
Watching them yesterday was pain, They looked clueless from start to end.
40 mill for Mata is a Joke, he might be a world beater, But He was dispossed by almost every City players nore than once.
Fellaini should have been off with the Elbow tackle,
Rafael the best RB?
David Silva will make push Mata out of the Spanish team.

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Mata's a good player but if I had the chouce i'd take silva over him everday and twice on sundays hard to believe neither real ir barca didn't try get silva instead of letting him go to city but it shows how strong the spain team is that he's not a gaurenteed first team player for them

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26 Mar 2014 10:07:43
For one, I admire Rafa the most is the talent he spots, He wanted Silva at Liverpool.
I don't think He has been involved in any serious incident on or off the pitch. Great example of a good fooballer and an awesone one too.

Offciially Revelead : Manchester United players didn't touch the ball before City scored their first goal (rafel block was accidental)

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26 Mar 2014 10:09:13
Gibelt,

Mata is a good footballer played at No. 10, Provided he ahs two apcy players either flanks, 2 Good players behind him in the middle. and Shouldnt be given any defensive duties.
He is below average played at wings and would get easily bullied by pace. No wonder Jose sold him.

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Agree. I would also choose Silva over Mata.
He looks a shadow of his former self which as a Liverpool fan is fantastic to see.

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26 Mar 2014 08:08:13
This one to DG

Mate, Got lotz of respect to you and your club, I have a question, How can you be such calm and composed from a title winning position, now struggling to be in Top4, And this is happening year in year out.

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Because under Wenger they're not good enough. AFC are now looking over their shoulders with dread. Everton, with a game in hand and still to come to Goodison are beginning to to concern them. They've still to come to Goodison and are definiely wobbling after last night's capitulation against Swansea. Arsenal brown noses on this sight any views?

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26 Mar 2014 00:29:44
Nett transfer expenditure over last 5 years: Man City £480m Chelsea £282m Man U £139m Liverpool £89m Arsenal -£4m

Just shows how far we have come without breaking the bank.

Ynwa

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Now look at net loss for each club, and rethink the conclusion you've come too.

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All of those other clubs bring in far more revenue than us, so our net spend is irrelevant on its own. Needs to be as a percentage of revenue to get a real appreciation of whether or not it has been good business.

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26 Mar 2014 07:52:32
Liverpress and CFC

The scenario will change in couple of years time given the amount of fan base for our club.
We would never decline, As we are still one of the best in the world

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Obviously we have had to tighten up the purse string to balance the books. But its hard to argue that we haven't spent as much on players as the other teams around us apart from arsenal.
With Champions league money next Year we will have are debt down to nothing by the end of next season.

I think we are in great shape for the FFP over the next few years by what the owners have done to get are club back on song.

Ynwa

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Im sorry mate, but you're very wrong. If you use the 5 year time frame you'll find you have spent more in some seasons on players then everyone bar city. I'm not surprised as you boys tend to have short memories.

It was only a couple of months ago that Gerrard was over the hill, Henderson was worthless and BR wasn't the man for the job.

Don't worry, as soon as you find your place, not fighting out the title race, you'll all turn back to form.

I'm not meaning to have a crack, but your argument you boys spend well and balance the books is fact less and hugely incorrect. Then to say you are in great shape for FFP shows you have little understanding of the parameters set out for clubs to meet. You lot are one of only two English clubs in the Prem to be miserably failing to comply.

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'You boys tend to have short memories'

'as soon as you find your place, not fighting out the title race'

'I don't mean to have a crack' - Well don't then, instead of filling what was a valid post with sad, snidey little jibes, keep it fair and objective. Otherwise you sound like a tool.

JFT 96

JP

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OK buddy, take the tampon out and realise this is a banter site. Although aware some of you seem to think its best used as a dating site for arsenal and Liverpool supporters to hook up, some of us actually don't love every team in the league and have a deep lying hatred towards certain clubs for certain reasons.

Sorry if it offends you, but its the facts of life. And its quite common in football fans. Ones with an ounce of loyalty and understanding of the history of clubs and rivalries.

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{Ed001's Note - it is just a bit pathetic that you can hate a football team. Sad really that your life is so empty you need to fill it with hatred towards anyone.}

And fair and objective? Your fellow supporter is making hugely incorrect statements and was called out for it. Don't be so precious

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I strongly disagree. I think if hating a football club (not a person) is the thing I hate most in life my life is on a pretty good path. Much more so than hatred towards a particular race or religion. And I think it would be fair to say you hate Thatcher, while I'd agree with the reasons for it, it leaves your viewpoint on me hating a football club or anything rather sad, pretty void mate.

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{Ed001's Note - don't talk soft. You hate a football club for no other reason than they are playing a game. Hatred of a person who destroyed lives is a totally different thing.}

I don't disagree that they are different but my point still stands. You said its sad to have hatred towards anyone in life, yet you openly hate Thatcher. While she did far worse things to the lives of poor blue collar Brits than your beloved Liverpool have ever done to me, it makes your prior statement rather moot.

My hatred is a healthy hatred, born out of healthy competition and competitiveness. I wish no pain on LFC supporters other than that you lose a simple game. Your hatred is deep rooted, and so if its sad to hate anyone, as you earlier suggested, you have the far sadder life.

I hope you can see this not as a personal dig, more as an education ;-)

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{Ed001's Note - no such thing as a healthy hatred, and I would never pretend otherwise. Yours is the sad kind that leads to knobbers stabbing each other all around the world over a football GAME.}

26 Mar 2014 00:16:47
All this talk about the title, but say we do get 0-2 points for Chelsea and city, I know our home records pretty good, but both are strong sides, we could be back into the race with arsenal and maybe everton for 4th, I don't like getting ahead of ourselves is my point basically!

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Who'll be coming 3 rd then?

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I don't know do i? But if we drop six points, my point would be only two of the three could get top 4!

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