Liverpool Banter Archive December 27 2012

 

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27 Dec 2012 23:13:14
I think that the only coach who can save us is Mourinho.Let my explain why.For him almost every player wants to play,is an instant succes ,is hungry for succes and it is a master of tactics and allways said that the Liverpool fans are the best in the world.Yes is expensive but it is cheaper then Cole,Downing and Henderson combined.We spend in two years 150 mil pounds and he at three clubs never spend this amount of money.Why can choose us over City?First of all his ego.He want to make great hystory teams great again.Look at Inter,even Chelsea or Real Madrid.Second is more arrogant then SAF and he want to beat him.Third Benitez go to Chelsea.Sorry for english,again.
Mircea

28 Dec 2012 00:04:35
Mircea the problem with Mourinho is he is not a yes man like Rodgers. Owners don't know how footy is run in england they are trying to run one of the biggest club in the world like american sport which is not working and will never work at the sametime they trying everything cheap. Cheap never wins you trophy neither brings you success if cheap would be the answer then clubs like Barca madrid united chelsea woiuldnt spend. Name any top team would appoint Rodgers.

The problem is that he will want lots of money to spend, which we cannot give him when compared to other clubs. Fair enough he will do an outstanding job, but how long will he stay? how long can we keep him? then when we inevitably lose him we will then contain a squad of underperforming stars, look at how poorly every team has done for the next 2-3 seasons after he has left that club. I'm happy with rodgers.
derryred

No mourinho is not the answer! Yeah he'll bring in players fix it up for a year or two and produce nothing for us for the future! It's well known he likes big money players and wins a thing or two then moves on! Pointless

M

And how much would Mourinho need to spend to make that happen?

Andy K

You do realise Barcelona do not spend as much as Madrid and other clubs you've mentioned? Their highest ever spending was about £77million in 08/09 season I think- and other than 2 other seasons the spending has been of £30million max!

M

Mourinnmho? means another 120 mill player??
owners dont know how to run a club?
spending over 120 mill in our club, and you still against them?
go and curse your player who were bought and eating the money who dont perform...

Your right that the owners could be treating LFC like a american sport and that this will surely not work out if they do not understand the English game etc etc, but i will say i think throwing more and more money to get top quality players who often have terrible attitudes and are seriously over hyped and underserving of their reputations is actually not what we should do.

Cheap i agree doesnt bring trophies but not blowing all your money and one day realising you have nothing left (like i am sure will happen to chelsea and man city one day) isn't teaching us anything either.

Yes it will bring more instant success but if money vs all else mattered championship sides would never beat or match premiership sides,. and often..they do. I think commitment is key

Gareth

 

 

27 Dec 2012 22:46:58
FSG must understand one thing,we must spend big to win big.They cant do small bussines with a club like Liverpool.We are not a club wich grow players after we sell it for other clubs.If they want to do that they must to buy Newcastle or West Ham or other club.We want trophies and silverware in the name of our hystory and Shankley,and Paysley and Dallglish and others like them.Liverpool is not a bussines is a legacy.Again sorry for my english.
Mircea

Honestly mate i think u should right this in an open letter to them.

What this I hear LFC is not a business

Oh dear

John Henry said we are a brand and LFC will be just grand doesn't matter whether we make top 4

Investors are not far from our door

So don't be drooling over cups and silverware

We moved on but on to where?

Leaping Lanny Poffo

Spend big to win big? We've spent quite big in recent years and got a Carling Cup for it. I'd say 'spend smart' instead, personally.

No harm but if they were truly in it for the money then thay could cash in now and make a nice we profit. When we get champions league then they will pay the champions league salary's.
derryred

FSG wtf yes i'm avin a dig
F**k off or spend big
Rodgers ticky taka thicky
get it in't box quickly
humbled and bullied by Stoke
Steve McMahon now there was a bloke
beef it up Bren
no more ham-shankers
and no more being bested
by second rate persons !! Beardsley Shoots

Exactly...how shame it is we keep asking the owners to spend again and again big?
2 seasons and we have spend over 120 mill....liverpool have never spend such money in their entire history...
you buy some useless rubbishs with the money...thats your headache...not the owners...

 

 

27 Dec 2012 22:44:22
Installing a new manager normally has a positive effect on results if not performances and results. There has been no such effect with BRs appointment. At his first press conference BR was at pains to stress that he had made it a condition that he would not work under a director of football or equivalent. He then appointed his old Swansea back room staff.

It has to be remembered that BR and his back room staff had a full pre season with most of the team (accepted that the international players were late in). They then set about dismantling the team and as everyone witnessed were, along with Ayres, spectacularly inept when it came to the transfer window. BR then has tied to impose his 'philosophy' on the team.


The results and league table tell the story from then on. Was it wise for an inexperienced manager who has no major achievement to do the above in one go? Some would class this as blind arrogance......especially if the results didn't follow.


I know I will get shot down by some of you but unless BR has an experienced man ( like a director of football with proven pedigree) to turn to for advice now we are on a downward spiral.


The result of inconsistency, inability to give the top teams a game and beat them will result in dwindling support, especially young fans who will see Man U, Man C, Chelsea ect. as far more exciting prospects to follow as a team......most of these kids won't understand a fan's loyalty because they are too young. However as they get older they are the ones buying merchandise and season tickets. It's losing these fans that will hit the owners in the pocket in the long run.......we may not need a bigger stadium!


Accepting mediocrity now is foresaking our future as we need to be seen as a club who are winning things so the we develop a younger worldwide following for years to come.

Empty promises and public relations talk do not deliver this. I make no apologies about comparing BR and his coaching staff to others who have taken charge at other 'lesser' teams. Laudrup, Clarke and Houghton and their coaches have taken players who are not by any means world class and have been already getting results ...........we're still waiting


RedDoc

Good post RedDoc

Ozone

Cant agree more great post wish it would land on jh desk

mike

Did anyone ever watch being Liverpool

If so how can any player take BR seriously


I mean buffy Minogue in pantomine has more cred than BR


Rodgers comes over as insane & Creepy

Accepting mediocrity now is foresaking our future as we need to be seen as a club who are winning things so the we develop a younger worldwide following for years to come.

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Well done RedDoc .. I just wish most in here understand and appreciate the meaning and the consequence of those couple of lines ....
People keep referring to Fergie had 4 years before any success, but those people need to understand this era is completely different from the late 80s. And they also need to understand that this Liverpool team is much better than the united team Fergie inherited in 1986.
Roy {Ed001's Note - you are insane if you truly believe that this team is better than that! That United team was very strong, it lacked team spirit, due to a drink culture and it faced two incredible Merseyside teams. The current team we have, well it is just nothing like as strong, it is weak in all areas.}

28 Dec 2012 11:11:31
Excellent well thought out post Red Doc.

I have been saying since Rafa's time that we cannot compete financially so we are left with trying to take a different approach.

Buy them young, coach them to be World Class.

Rafa started doing it whilst trying to keep things spinning at First Team level. Unfortunately he did make mistakes and the owners didn't help at that time.

What we now have is some of the fruits of the youth set up improvements starting to come through but we are in real danger of wasting that opportunity and not building on it.

In short Brendan Rogers and these owners cannot repeat the mistakes made by Rafa and the former owners or we are staring at a relegation battle.

Thomas

 

 

27 Dec 2012 22:40:39
If I was to spend some money and buy decent players I would go for Francisco Roman Alarcon Suarez aka ISCO from Malaga and Benat from Betis and both would cost around 30-35 Mill but I can tell you one thing if we can get rid of Downing 7-8 mill, Pacheco 2 mill, Cole and maybe Henderson 8-10 mill (I have feeling he will be sold as Rodgers doesn't seem to have much confidence in him)..we only require around 10-15 mill and those 2 will light up EPL and Liverpool. Have been watching progress of both and these kind of player we need. Well we can dream cant we..

Harry Oldbury

And what happens when one or both get injured and we are even shorter on squad?

Andy K

Isco would be an excellent buy..excellent buy...also honda...would cost a 30 mill...
i would sell shelvey, downing and henderson to get these two...

 

 

27 Dec 2012 22:34:27
Anyone else heard about an interview that David Villa gave today in Spain about possibly joining Liverpool in January on loan. I heard he praised up Gerrard an Suarez as being world class any info eds?

PAULMONDO {Ed052's Note - not heard about the interview}

Where did you hear about it mate? Just googled it but can't find anything

 

 

27 Dec 2012 21:57:52
we all love liverpool but we all need to understand FSG are in no hurry,they bought the club spend 40mil net hoping we get into the CL and we did not.
They then sacked comolli and let kenny stay on untill the season end,the day the sacked comolli FSG knew kenny was gonne be replaced.
now they want to spend what we generate,FSG will only buy young players that will get better,maybe next year we will reach CL football and FSG will spend some more.
henderson/cole/downing are only playing to keep there value alive,they are not in BR future plans.
FSG plan will work it will only take time and in BR they found the perfect guy.
the sad thing about it all is that we will never win the league with the money that chelsea/man u/man c are able to spend.
top 4 and cl football,suarez and i believe sterling ect ect will leave for better wages and silver.
sad but true.

27 Dec 2012 22:41:57
Mate forget champions league next season
I can't see us achieving champiopns league footy for 4-5 years unless we start to spend on right players looking at sturridge or ince shows our true ambition.

Your first line was right , but we will still be in Europe next season , things will pick up , not sure how , but it will ,
redforever

The business is failing in its objectives (namely UCL qualification).
Without achieving qualification, surely the management of the club, have failed in their 'mandate'.

CL...not in another 5 years for sure...
either our kids has to grow up and start performing..which will take 5 years..or we need to sell our deadwoods and buy some real talents...

 

 

27 Dec 2012 21:38:45
Long live BR!!

Tree Blue

P/o on own site bitter

Long live BR's "BS".
Must be bouncing around in MR Henry's and Werner' cranium.
Suckered they were.

Bitter because we are 5th and not 10th! Oh yeah very bitter

Tree Blue {Ed052's Note - it

 

 

27 Dec 2012 21:12:09
should swop reina for walcott need to score goals as attack is sometimes the best form of defence seeing we cant defened and rarely keep a clean sheet. we need walcott more than reina anyone else agree. andy red great job eds

I'd rather have Walcott in goal

27 Dec 2012 22:51:16
Dont worry guys Lawrenson has predicted a loss for us against QPR, which means we are deffo going to win. He never gets it right with us

Hounsred

Hope your right Hounsred , but I have an aweful feeling that old harry work some magic soon .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 21:11:17
Well gents, I've had it. I'm officially baffled. I always felt I knew what direction the club was going in, and more importantly, I always had a solid opinion, good or bad, about that direction.

I knew where I stood in the summer when I wanted Kenny to stay. I knew where I stood when Hodgson was here and I wanted rid of him. I knew where I stood when we had Rafa and I wanted him to stay.

We have Rodgers now, and I don't know what I think. My head says we have to give the man a chance, and half a season is not a chance unless the team is completely disfunctional.

My heart, though, says things like: "Why are you bringing Cole on?" "Why are you bringing on three attacking players and not subbing Shelvey who's not had a kick today?" "Why are we getting even less bodies into the box than last season to finish the move? Seriously, I thought that was impossible."

Let's just say I'm not 100% sure about him anymore. But at the same time, I don't feel like I'm looking at a complete mook who's out of his depth as I was when Hodgson was here, and I definitely don't think a 5th manager since 09-10 is going to help us much either.

So... in Rodgers we (kinda) trust. I suppose.

Can we just go back to 08-09 when we had Mascher, Alonso, Gerrard, Benny, Kuyt, Torres etc. all at their best and thought we were going to win the league? :(

- Something Red -

I totally agree with you mate.
I don,t know what to make of it , so lets give it till the end of the season and hopfully we will have the answers.
phooey...

BR has made us a soft touch. His tactics is making us concede goals. Gerrard is no longer our driving force so we need someone on there as we dont have Carragher there shouting demanding etc... Yes we need to finish our chances but we also need to be able to defend a one nil lead. We need some new defenders too. Agger and Skertel are not the answer any more. I cant beleive how BR has made our world class players look bad. We are playing like a mid table team. The signings we are going to make are mid table signings. Man Utd have already more or less secured their first world class signing for next year. We need that type of player. Strong quick can score and hold the ball up. Instead we are getting a headless chicken who runs with his down and runs out of space. We are going to be getting a player who gets the ball on the half way line and just runs. No skill involved there. Another wasted 12 or more millions ....its another "it will do for now signing". We are spending millions the last few years on those type of signings... thats whats killing us.
The answer for this solution is simple..... lets all switch off to this season and not moan and to just support the team the best we can. Untill we get rid of crap like Joe Cole and Hendo and we might just might start buying right in the transfer market in the summer.
I know some of you say that Clarke AVB and Rafa didnt need time to sort their team out...but those teams had hunger. Our do not. We are always slagging our team off. Why should they fight to play for us if we are always whinging.... thats why we should just concentrate on supporting...the tide might turn.

Slowpoke

If we kept going with the 'system' from 08-09 we would be broke. See Leeds, Pompey, Rangers. That was a great team and squad but we simply could not afford it. The plan was based on making the ECL every year. We are not the only big club and there are only 4 spots. Faulted plan. Are you sure you want to go back to 08-09?

Andy K

Perfect post mate, agree with every word.

If anybody else comes in they'll be starting from scratch again anyway.
I like Rodgers but it is a results business. I think he will get it right but my god it's painful to watch in the meantime!!

27 Dec 2012 22:42:22
We could've afforded that team if someone hadn't leveraged £300m odd debt against the club, mate.

My point was more about the optomism we had at the time anyway.

- Something Red -

Please remember we were days away from going under. We're in better shape now. This is going to take time. Fans need to realise this. I understand this is a result business but we should just look at the positives, were still here. Some off the football we've played has been great, if we had a great finisher like Rush we would have scored many more goals. Plus remember this is a new system and we will have games where it will go really wrong but. There has been moments where I hope like myself have thought that was fantastic. Give it time judge it at the end of the season, if not after one more season it takes time to change things. It took Man city more than two seasons to get anything and they went crazy and personally feel they bought players for the sake of spending money, they had no plan. I think they thought buy the best players and we will win. Off course it does not work like that. Players don't need to cost the world they just need to fit a style. In conclusion give Rogers time lets see how it plays out. If we change now I think we're be in a terrible state. Cheers jh

I loved that team too Something Red and the optimism. But the only way we could afford it was by leveraging, sadly.

Andy K

Good summation of how I feel as well, Something Red. I like Rodgers in a way, but some of his decisions I find confusing as well as his tactics. Ideally things will turn around and we'll have a vibrant, young manager lighting the league on fire, but to be honest so far that doesn't seem to be happening unfortunately. I'm afraid the writing will be on the wall shortly (meaning this summer) otherwise for his time at Anfield.

RDL

RDL, I am sadly worried that you may be right but what happens then? We start again with a new manager that will take time and want his players in and if that doesnt work straight away? What? We start again? It took Fergie years and that hasnt worked out too badly for them. I dont believe in this 'it was different then' rubbish, the only difference is the lack of patience from the supporter base and ownership. Hopefully our owners stick to their guns and that BRs plan works. If by this time next year, it is still not working, having had three windows and a season and a half, then I can understand people having a fair picture of BR however after 6 months and 1 window, I think it is reactionary and impatient.

Andy K

 

 

27 Dec 2012 21:04:58
We are no better a team than we were5 years ago.

We have been short of attacking options for years yet the manager and owners continue to invest in substandard MF.

Until we have owners with money we won't be going anywhere.BR has changed nothing other than making us one dimensional, he needs to learn fast and realise we will continue to lose against teams like stoke unless we can play in different styles.

He's had long enough at the club to get his ideas across and nothing has improved.

FSG are a waste of space and should have stuck with US sports. They don't care about us other than the balance sheet.

No Mate they care more about the P&L account


It all boils down to the bottom line

Balance sheets are often way bloody out for example how much is downing in our baolance sheet and what realistically would we get for him?

Its the P&L account

Doddy's accountant

To the original poster

Find the money and buy the club from FSG or shut up. If you think that easy do it yourself. Talk easy try do it first and we will see.

-qs-

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:57:48
do you think rich arabs would buy liverpool? i mean they bought man city when they were a mid table team. and if they did buy would they change our stadium name? etc

27 Dec 2012 21:18:35
Pipe dream lad.

There's a finite supply of Arabian billionares with interest in funding a football club that'll never turn them a profit.

You get one and it's like winning the lottery. It's nice, but you can't depend on it happening.

The rest of us need to be as saavy as we can and hope for the best. FSG are getting a bit of stick at the moment, and tbh, I don't agree with most of the footballing decisions they made so far. But in terms of funding, there a lot of bad owners out there and FSG aren't among them, imo.

- Something Red -

They're not the best but not the worst.

Bit like our managers really...they talk the talk but don't walk the walk

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:51:31
Eds , fellow reds , how will everyone respond if QPR win on Sunday .I have a bad feeling for this one Harry has a good record against us .

27 Dec 2012 21:22:54
There'll be a mixture of untold misery and smug "I told you so".

Redknapp may have a good record against us, but he just hasn't got enough quality at QPR to beat us, imo. They've got a few flashy players in attack, but they're bad at the back, so I can't see us losing. I can see us fluffing our lines enough time to turn a 'sure fire' win into a draw though.

- Something Red -

Neither had Villa

The Irish Rover

"They've got a few flashy players in attack, but they're bad at the back". - You talking about then or us? RED LENIN

I dont think QPR will beat us ..
And I dont think we will beat them either ...
Roy

The way we are playing, any team can beat us.
We are easy and predictable.
QPR will beat us, they are scrapping for survival.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:44:21
Look - on the managerial front let's get things right:
Roy Hodgson - nice man,a lot of experience in the game but the wrong personality for Liverpool - even if things had been going well when he was appointed. Kenny Dalglish - we are talking second time around - disastrous appointment - steady ship until end of season and go....his reputation and our finances would have been intact...(I am a Benitez fan- but he will never be back, so for god's sake drop the name off the site) Rodgers appointed - I think he was a good appointment and will prove to be a very good manager for Liverpool but we have so many instant-gratification kids on this site that he will get stick every time we lose and every time we draw. When we do get a win it will be down to the players. Grow up and get some common sense - you annoy me
intensely.


Puzzled

Kenny needed some time too, and wasn't given to him. Why should Brendan no experience Rodgers be given it.

Puzzled I can't really disagree with your sentiments and as I've said before I am behind BR but I still want to know why we have such faith in him coming good.
He's done nothing I can see that should actually warrant the faith we are showing in him.
I'm starting to doubt myself
I'd just like someone to point to something tangible about BR that I can look at and say "yes that's why he's our man"
I can't find it


Chris in Tamworth

27 Dec 2012 21:36:39
Mate how can you say he was a very good appointment where is the proof I'm afraid at the moment his been pure failure you like it or not at the sametime no one can tell how our future will turn just look at Arsenal fans who were saying the same about their future and how it turned.

Puzzled, good points mate. With 1 or 2 decent signings you might finish in the top half this year.

AJH

Puzzled you are. Can I ask you this when it comes down to Dalglish, do you factor into his tenure what went on with Suarez and his 9 game ban? You must admit that must have had some effect on the team Kenny and the club. Taggert got what he wanted which was rid of THE KING and fans like you contributed to that without realising it. WHAT A MUG AND SO CALLED REDS LIKE YOU ARE!!!

Waro

Well, Where to start from? okay...lets analyze how many games we deserved to lose out of 19...

West Brom-- Great First Half and then played almost entire second half with 10 men

Arsenal-- Deservedly beaten

Man U--- Terrible Referee decision. Still Played them out of park.

Tottenham-- 2 goals down early on but had a superb game throughout. At least deserved a draw.

Aston Villa- Got beaten 3-1 but who dominated the match. Did we really played badly? We didnt took our chances and everything they put their foot onto got into goal..Is it BR fault?

Stoke-- Started off great and then lost our way with 2 goals from shabby defending. Stoke played to their strength as expected. Our players didnt turned up.

Now, what do we see in BR to say 'He is the Man for LFC'? well:

1) We have played some great football on and off. Bit inconsistent but playing style transition doesnt happens overnight.

2) Bred in youngsters- Sterling,Suso,Wisdom,Shelvey...Again these youngsters will require time and game experience to turn into big names.

3) BR has bought in only 3 players and one on loan out of which 2 are injured, 1 has been worn out and played mostly out of position and one is finding hard to get accustomed. Again it will take time to get right players for his playing style and couple of more transfer windows.

4) Experience has been let go in form of Bellamy,Kuyt,Maxi which can not be substituted overnight by potential youngsters but can be enhanced only by giving these youngsters game time which will again require time.

On this journey there will be moments like Stoke and Aston Villa as it has happened with every team which has been under transition. Summation of all above points says 'It Needs Time'.

But Million Dollar Question is:

1) Are we giving him time?

2) Didnt we expected these blips at the start of this campaign? So why this cry now..just because our hopes were raised because other top 4 contenders have been playing badly and now we are not able to cope with this roller coaster ride.

3) Didnt BR got more Rights than Wrongs in his 6 months tenure comparably to last couple of unstable years?

4) Are we ready to embrace more instability rather than giving time to a potential young manager who also will learn some incredible lessons along this journey?

There are more such questions lads...but important point is lets behave like LFC Fans and not Roman Abramovich!

Indian with Red Heart

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:39:35
cos BRENS BODGERS couldnt get a job the special one wrote a 180 page dossier so he could go round chairman trying to get a job.

jose mourinhio

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:27:56
Hi eds great site great work i am from south africa and have supported liverpool since the 71 loss to aresenal f.a. cup. I hve travelled far and wide to watch my beloved reds and regardless of the current situation will refuse to critiscise the team or brenden ,instead i will call upon my shankly spirit to stand true in my belief we are building something special with our young team,to all of u who criiscise week in week out i suggest u go support another team before u contaminate and erode our gud name,sadly the great stevie g will probably not lift a premier league,but remember sg fired us to european glory,took the fa cup away from west ham (of which these so called supporters basked in the glory)who sadly condemn our team and captain cannot see that he unselfishly fights on while br puts together a young team that will only (in my belief) grow over the next few years,there is outstanding talent there,we must excercise patience,be greatful to fsg we still have a team to support.regardless of current situations we are the team of 2012 yep we excersiced patience and fought on ,we walked as one and 2012 we won more than a premier league we won justice and today 96 true liverpool supporters there memories and there spirit must be our giuding light so to those of u who cannot stop your negativity i ask u back off and we need u to be positive, happy new year to u eds, Macca and reds all over the world.
Markieg

Wish I could hit my disagree button more than a billion times.

Waro

Actually Waro its not about you...your name cries out for WAR-O...Did you lost something in War?

Even if somebody is asking to Be Positive, you want to disagree a billion times to it...Lol!

You really lost sumthing in WAR!

Indian with Red Heart

Me too Waro, but you'd still come back!
WelshBoyDave

 

 

27 Dec 2012 20:11:30
Do we have the money to pay the wages that the most regarded players would want?

Do we have Champions League footy?

I'm pretty sure that most 'top' players would want that if they were going to move country/club. Just accept that we are way behind Arsenal, Spurs, Everton this season and try supporting the club. Let's enjoy having Suarez because if Rodgers goes, I dont think he will be hanging around either.

Ozone, have you ever posted anything slightly positive about Liverpool? Get a grip man.

Fowler99

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I'll post something positive when there's something positive to post Fowler99. Or do you want me to make something up. Shall I post in Brendon we trust or, I think FSG saved our club? Ok mate, Suarez is brilliant, that's positive and hopefully we'll now win the legue. You get a grip lad, the clubs in disarray with persons at the helm, if your happy with it so be it but I'm not.

Ozone

Ozone

They live on a another planet lad, sadly ozone we are in the minority at the minute but when the momentum builds on these owners they will join in because they have no real opinion of there own they just go with the majority!

Waro

Ozone you make me laugh so much with your pessimism. And yes fsg did save our club and are continuing to do so by trying to make it self sustaining. If you can't see that then you better go back to specsavers ;). Also fsg brought in BR, a young ambitious manager who is going to need at least a season to get his ideas and team together. Don't forget he has also brought through some youth players who re performing and got a load of players to sign long term contracts which means they must have faith in what he wants them to do. If you cannot see any positives in lfc then I suggest you find a team which suits your needs as I can find quite a few positives and I can also say there are a lot of fans that are fed up with your nonsense, even the eds have put you straight on more than one occasion so just give us all a break and piss off!
Huddz red

Huddz red
Fsg did not save liverpool.

The Irish Rover

Why are people obsessed with given Brendan Rodgers time, I bet these are the same guys who said Roy and Kenny needed it too, Rodgers has shown nothing to suggest he can take this club further, we are stagnant even with the young players introduced, we are not progressing, its time we all admitted it and it will be the same story next year.

Kiddo

None of the Eds have put me straight lad and you certainly haven't Huddz red with your disillusioned no nonsense. I posted earlier how Man Utd flood men in th box and out number their opponents defenders with numbers, that's why they score. One of the Eds said they can do that because they have a defence they can rely on. Well I don't see a Utd back four with a great deal more quality than what we have. It's the way Whikey nose has them playing, none of this deep line, pressing, possession blah blah blah. 442 with 'water carriers' and a never say die attitude. We had it once so where's it gone. As Kenny has said they can try and reinvent the game as much as they want but hey never will, grass, ball, humans and same sized goalposts.

Rodgers hasn't brought any of the youth through, he's been here six months and has been forced to play them due to FSGs inept management and cost cutting, it has nothing to do with faith you muppet. I first stood on the terraces with my old man in 1978, we lost that day 3-2 to Birmingham City and David Johnson got sent off, i remember it like it was yesterday, so
don't stand on ceremony telling me I should go and support another team you patronising pr**k.

Give you a break? Just skip the post and it her agree or disagree if it bothers you so much. Why do you think you've got an entitlement to post just because you read Mills and Boom novels at night.

A young ambitious manager. Is that the best you can come up with Huddz Red. You tell me why, given his background, previous achievements etc., plus his standing and progress to date at LFC, why Rodgers is going to take us into the promised land. I don't mean open words and phrases like the ones he delivers at post match interviews and I dont want to hear about tikki tikka Barcelona eat your heart out total football for midgets nonsense either. This is the EPL, with harsh winters and physical teams not sunny Spain. Give me some solid well founded reasons why Rodgers is the man and FSG are the owners from heaven Huddz Red or Shak Attack, Bendingdong for that matter.

Ozone

Eds, Did FSG, or did they not, save us from financial trouble?

Piledriver {Ed052's Note - they saved us totally. We could and probably would have gone bust}

Ok so they might not have literally saved Liverpool but lfc were in very bad shape financially and they not come in sorted a lot of the mess out and put a lot and I mean a lot of money in. Like I said above they se trying to make us self sustaining as well. So ok you're right Irish they haven't saved us, they are continuing to save us from doing a Leeds or Portsmouth, is that ok with you.
Huddz red

None of my business of course...but SAF got several years before things came together. I know it's hard given your many years of success, but you all need to learn to have some patience. Painful but necessary, no instant fixes I'm afraid.

AJH

Kiddo if its more of the same next season then i will admit i am wrong but whatever the results i will back the manager even if i disagree with some of tactics and substitutions, as a supporter that is what i am there to do. i understand people have differing opinions which is fine and i may well be wrong and BR drags us even further down but i will say as i have since roy and then kenny (who i thought should have had deffo more time) i will back them for at least two seasons as that is plenty time to get a team and players playing how you want. after that then fine but great teams are not built overnight, it might take two years or a decade but when we do become that great team again and w will it will be all the more sweeter.
huddz red

Ed52, you are talking nonsense. Fsg were the accepted bid. So Liverpool would not have gone bust. If you dont believe me ask Ed002. Maybe you Ed's should speak to each other more in order to not posting scare mongering ill informed statements.

The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - what are you on about mate. If FSG hadnt come in to save uswe would be playing Peterborough at the weekend.}

Ozone and Kiddo, you are both utterly clueless. How can you not see that we are progressing from last season? If we get a couple more forward players let's see how it goes eh? No, because you have already decided that BR can't hack it, FSG can't hack it blah blah f'in blah.

I think you should be more pissed off with buying the players that we did last season. The biggest mistake of FSG was to listen to fans wanting Kenny in. Kenny messed up BIG TIME with that money and BR is now doing his best with what he has. Just because you marched up and down anfield road during your endless days on the doll with a 'hicks and gillett out' sign doesn't mean that by being a total doom-monger you will get your own way.

I think half of your problem Ozone is that you 'stood on the terraces' on too many 'harsh winter' afternoons in the 70/80's. You were clearly spoilt rotten with the football seen every other week. Times have changes big man, get over it. God knows who ever said Liverpool fans were the best in the world. I dare you to make a big 'FSG OUT' and take it to the next game - see if they listen.

Fowler99

People are 'obsessed' by it because in recent times we've chopped and changed managers more often than ever in our history and that hasn't worked so giving time to a young manager seems about the only option.

Do we change again and wait for them to fail because they wouldn't have great financial backing etc either.

Don't know where this magic wand is?

Nonsense ed52. If Fsg had not brought Liverpool then there were other bidders. Like i said, ask Ed002.

The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - other bids were suitable. Days from bankruptcy. }

AJH, red nose had many years of success at Aberdeen including European Cup Winners cup success with a young side. Theres a difference between that and a trophyless brief spell at Swansea with a dossier.

Ozone

Fowler99, we have made no further progress than last season the points tally says so plus we've been knocked out of the cup we won. Apart from Carroll, I'm happy with all Kenny's signings. Let's put it this way, Spearing, Adam, Maxi, Kuyt and £32 mill or Allen, Sahin, Assiadi and Borini?

Ozone

Dont forget about the success stories of reading and watford.

How dare you call anyone a patronising pr*ck, pot and kettle lad. it doesnt matter when you first saw liverpool it doesnt even matter if you have ever seen them live at anfield, i havent but it doesbnt make me any less a supporter than you and who the hell says i read mills and boon? at least get it right its take abreak or ok magazine. duh!. as for eds setting you straight here is a few examples:
1: Brendon, take a look at Match of the Day and watch how Utd scored their last goal. That's right Brendon, men in the box, not tippy tippy possession crap. Men in the box. Brendon, your an Acadamy manager and that's it.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - we had men in the box and Suarez wouldn't pass to any of them. You aren't even an academy manager, so give up the pathetic attempt at an insult. Embarrassing brat throwing his toys out of his pram at a defeat, that is all you are.}
2:
There are some positives to take from the manager (Liverbirds summary). FSG no, just a bunch of venture capitalists typical of an American business model of squeezing overheads and expanding income steams with little or no investment of their own. I wouldn't be surprised if the tea lady has had a pay freeze.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - how is it typical of that model? Talking out your backside. That model is one of pumping in funds initially, then running the business on a shoestring to raise profits for a quick sale. Unless they are looking to run a long term strategy, which would involve making the business pay for itself, which is what they are in fact doing. Isn't that just how the club was always run in the past? Isn't a self-sustaining club a good thing? You need to get that chip on your shoulder removed.}
3:You talk clap trap Ed, we never get men in the box. Mark my words, this experiment of Rodgers is going nowhere. He's way out of his depth. The players we have aren't good enough for what he wants them to do. He should throw his dossier in the bin. It's academic and that's all Rodgers brand of football is.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - we had 2 or 3 in the box on every attack, not my fault if you have your head so far up your own backside you can't watch the match. I guess you are too busy listening to the imbeciles they have commentating who kept saying that lie too. I counted at least two players in the box every time they said there was no one in the box, but then I use my own eyes. Your only interest is whining and making up more things to whine about.}.
well theres three examples there and thats in two posts from you. if you have trouble remembering things i would go see a doctor mate, you havent fallen over an knocked your head have you because you spout crap like a man who dont know what the hell they're talking about? as for rogers i have never said he is taking us to any promised land or why he deserves to be liverpool manager, he is so i am gonna back him its as simple as that. if you reqad my posts abve i say that will back any manager we have for at least two seasons. as for fsg's inept management i suspect you didnt know we were very near to going into administration a while back and they bought us, from the the FFP rules have been drawn up and are to be implemented in the coming years and fsg have seen this and are actively trying to make us self ssustaining. they are also going to redevelop anfield to a 60,000 seater, what did the cowboys do - give us false promises and run the club into the ground. you also seem to forget fsg knew nothing about football hence their misguided attempt at bring someone who knows it in (comolli) and we all know how that turned out. we also know that they wanted to bring someone in above rogers and may still do, this shows they are learning and it doesnt help with personic ranting mor*ns like you does it. now i can go back to my take abreak while i wait a weak and abusive response from the high and mighty ozone.
huddz red

It's so easy to blame Dalglish and Comolli, your a lemming with liverbird tinted glasses on and you can't see it. These owners didn't save us at all, I DO NOT CARE what s**te anyone on here comes out, there were multiple buyers who were ready to buy the club so save me the YANKS ON WHITE HORSES TO SAVE US CRAP! F$G are doing it on the cheap in the hope that we scrape into the top4 without spending in the next few years so they can sell to anybody with £800 million to spend regardless of wether there intentions for the club are right or not! persons who need to go back to were they came from!

Waro {Ed001's Note - name these multiple buyers then.....}

Well have to say i agree with ozone and irish and waro the club would of been sold to several options others with more money but they choose fsg cause of wat they did with red sox witch i can understand because it pretty identical this in my opinion has been a mistake! yet again like the last yonks its failed promises after promises. dalglish was one signing off having an excelent team an out and out goal scorer we played miles better football under him then rogers the woodwork and all the chances made but not finished so if fsg can sack him for a cup win and another final with a goal by ac witch was over the line could of been to cup wins they have to get rid of this person who has only one way of playing witch is no good to anyone unless u have the players again u wouldnt play tennis with a hockey stick! for me rogers has to go before he wastes more money this window

grego

Waro unless you work for the banks and you were working on the deal between lverpool the bank and said multiple buyers then you cant say with any certainty who any of these buyers were or if they were multiple buyers.
oh dear!
huddz red

Oh forgot to say waro instead of buying next years season ticket or anymore after that save ot all up till you have enough to buy liverpool f.c, buy it, then you can run the club as ypou see fit. do you have any business qualifications?
huddz red

Disprove these multiply buyers were not there Ed001

Waro {Ed001's Note - nice little get out from someone who has shown a complete lack of any kind of knowledge of the dealings and just shouts abuse louder than anyone can make a point. If you have no evidence of these 'multiple' buyers, then clearly you are talking out of your backside. There were a couple of people in for the club, mostly fantasists without the money to complete the deal and were quickly ruled out of contention. There wasn't a lot of choice left.}

Waro/Ozone/et al- I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to criticize FSG for making bad decisions (Commoli, leaving Ian Ayre in place, sacking Kenny, hiring BR, Jen Chang, etc.) then fair enough as those are debatable points.

That said, I don't think it's in any way, shape or form fair to blame them for not spending money. They've spent quite a lot out of their own pocket including a nice 0 interest loan to the club to help finance ongoing operations and have yet to see anything remotely resembling a return on their investment.

So, slag them off for spending money unwisely or on the wrong management structure but it's not right to say they are 'penny pinchers' or whatever. Can you show me one instance where they've taken money from the club's coffers and not reinvested it or even supplemented it massively?

Honestly I'm almost positive the majority of your combined negativity towards FSG and their spending has far more to do with them being American than anything else. And please stop the lame 'F$G' stuff.

RDL

Edd o1 there were several buyers in for liverpool some with more money then fsg even hicks and gillet tried to take it to court because one of them offered more money think it was 450 million instead of 300 they took and the reason being houghton thought because wat they did with the redsox would mirror us witch it did but tey have not spent like they did there on the team 200 mill on one player an instant but u cant blame hougton they looked the best bet but there were other buyers so fsg did not save us cheers

mike {Ed002's Note - You have misunderstood a number of things Mike, not least the amount on offer from elsewhere and how the costs of a transfer are provided by the press for baseball.}

Aside from the fact that only Adam was a kenny signing from your comparison Ozone, you are now saying you are happy with last years signings. I have defnately seen you write kenny out speeches in the past - I will have to have a check in the search function. The smell of BS is rife, you contradict yourself constantly - if Klopp had wanted the job and we lost games you would have come up with some reason that FSG should never have employed him. Do yourself a favour Ozone mate and open the curtains and windows tomorrow.

Fowler99

And to add insult to injury, we played 5 in midfield against Stoke and still conceded possession and were out muscled. Something's going wrong somewhere. The managers taking us nowhere, £15 mill for Joe Allen, what a joke. We need a proper anchor who can get a grip of the game. I will guarantee that FSG and Rodgers will prove to be the biggest mistake in Liverpools history. I hope I'm wrong but the initial signs dont look good to me.

Ozone

For the record RDL, I don't particularly think The Commolli concept was a bad idea. Commolli himself and the way he was employed, (sacking all the scouting staff to save on expenses) is what I disagree with. With the right DOF, scouting regime and Kenny still as manager, I feel we would have made progress this year. Kenny would've got us there with time competing with the elite again and as he aged Carra or Gerrard could've stepped into management. As Waro has said, we lost Suarez for 9 games, plus the unsettling aspect of the whole debacle. Have you Kenny detractors factored that into your opinions. We are lost in the wilderness now under a text book vision with a manager with no historic connections with the club, no playing experience, no winning mentaility and no managerial experience of any note What were the owners thinking of? Expense and a cheap option.

Ozone

Also ed001,you have a pop at Waro regarding the ownership issue but you don't elaborate on the deal. It strikes me that all you know is what we've been fed through the media. Sometimes reading between the lines with what we have been fed can provide a more realistic picture. When you piece together the parties involved in the deal it's not difficult to see 'feathering each others nest' aspect of the arrangement. We were all told that the other suitors weren't suitable because it suited. This type of deal is rarely done at arms length and anyone who thinks they are has clearly never been involved in business.

Ozone {Ed002's Note - Ed001 is not around right now so perhaps I can provide a little clarity to this matter. During the summer there were a number of "tyre kickers" saying that they were there to save the club with the financial support of "Fund x" or whatever. One “high profile” such potential buyer was Kenny Huang. I explained from day one that he was a shyster etc. but through the forums and message board he became the New Messiah and many, including a number of regulars from here, took to singing his praises, worshipping him, and taking him small tokens as gifts. Fortunately someone called in a favour and had his offices checked only to find a bill-skipping charlatan and he was soon consigned to history. Whilst the sale of the club went down to the wire, the Royal Bank of Scotland would never have forced Administration on October 6 and would have granted an extension under the control of Martin Broughton should it have been necessary. Putting aside the successful bid to take over the business by NESV (later FSG) and putting aside an option where the Gillett and Hicks partnership would split with the partial sale of the club, there were two other offers nominally on the table at the same time. One of these was simply not viable at all - and nobody contends that it was. However, an offer was made in the days leading up to October 6 that had the support of both Gillett and Hicks and this is what Gillett and Hicks used as leverage to go to the High Court to argue that the business should not be sold to NESV and that a better deal was available. The “club” and RBS fought this and won with the ruling being made in their favour and the deal going through on October 15. This alternate bid is what forms the basis of the claims that Gillett and Hicks have been bringing against ex Directors of the club and RBS. There is nothing whatsoever to substantiate any claims that a sale to anyone else would have provided a benefit to anyone other than a financial benefit to the former owners. I hop this helps to clarify matters a little.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:57:57
I have had a look through and ( apologies if i've missed it ) can't find any smug posts from Shak Attack that he promised after wedensday. Let that be a lesson to you Shak, with this current Liverpool side you can't make cocky boasts because were so in and out posts like yours after the Fulham game make you look a t*t.

Seeing a lot of stick for Rodgers which he couldn't really complain about, but I would urge you to re-direct it at not the manager but the people who employed him, F$G. He's a young up and coming manager who in 4-5 years would have been a good appointment, but I think ( as i said when he got the job ) he is to inexperienced for a side of our size and sadly it's not going for him, but because of the owners he will come under immense pressure, but we have to stay with the lad because we can't afford to start from scratch again.

I personally will give him the same backing and time that Kenny had, but I do feel sorry for him with these schisters who hold the keys to the club putting him in this position, if you want any recognition FSG then admit you don't know what your doing and look for new owners of our club.

Waro

I am yet to be sold on any argument that the current owners are "schisters". They have been nieve and have made errors, like every other owner out there at some point but I do not believe that they have tried to sell us on anything and then not backed it up. As for BR, he needs time. That was always going to be the case. Nothing has changed there. If you want quick fix owners, you are at the wrong club at this point (that isnt a 'go and join someone' comment by the way). This journey to rebuild is going to take time and was always going to. Nothing has changed there.

However
First 6 games - 5 points (1 win)
Next 6 games - 10 points (2 wins)
Next 6 games - 10 points (3 wins)
Next 6 games - 0 points (5 to play)

Lots of improvement needed without a doubt but that looks a little like progress to me. Fingers crossed that we can learn some lessons from the first half of the season, fill some gaps with transfers and improve on each result from here + have a good run in the FA Cup and Europa. If we understand what is in front of us and temper our expectations then it is an interesting ride. If we continue to expect to challenge for the league this year then we are going to be let down and get negative about things. Red for life.

Andy K

You don't reallly seem to do facts Waro, so i'll type this quick and in caveman speak for you, to make it easier.
Owners Schisters You Wrong Proof Needed Please Enlighten
I trust thats clear enough for you Warto and i await your response!
WelshBoyDave

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:57:07
Honestly most of you need to take a reality check and stop believing everything you read in the papers! History doesn't give us the right to win or sign top player, yes we are Liverpool but yes we are also 10th in the league, that makes us a mid table team, I know it's hard to take but it's the truth, the sooner fans like the posters on here accept that and accept it's going to take time and patience to get back to the top the better, lower your expectations slightly and you won't always be so dissapointed, we dont have the funds for a quick turn around but with time and patience it will happen, look at our young players, not only the 1's in the first team squad but also the u-21's and you'll realise that there is a long term plan to make a successful and financially viable club, I'm really sick of the attitude of most fans on here and I'm starting to understand why other teams fans are always talking about Liverpool fans living in the past, it's not 2008 any more and we are a long way from challenging for a top 4 finish!

Gman82

And who made us a mid table team?

What has who made us a mid table got to do with it? It certainly wasn't rodgers or FSG, we were already lingering in the in midtable mediocrity before either of them came along!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:52:31
The crunch match will be QPR, if we don't beat them.
With luck this might wake up FSG.
Just might?

Ref

Sadly, I hope we lose, if this is the price we pay for urgent change and action.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:51:58
Lets be honest, we all know that Liverpool FC is not a quick fix and BR has had a lot of issues with the squad, but we on paper have a team that can compete for the top four all day long. BR has aloud young players to come through but he has had to really due to lack of depth.
Like any manager previously, BR needs to step up to the mark and be counted. His record at Liverpool is not good enough, we need Rafa back, yes he can be a T&"T but he was ruthless. I just do not understand BR, he likes to play two wingers but loaned out big AC....is it just me or does that not seam a strange choice?

baz

Quick fix, nonsense, the club squanders every chance it gets to put itself right, and judging by the rumored signings for this January the place is still bereft of intelligent life, its incompetence that is personing our club and nothing else.

Cas

How club other clubs change their managers and seem to do ok, avb was a laughing stock last year where are spurs? yet now liverpool are the laughing stock. transistion/work in progress my foot. mid table with a mid table manager. end of.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:42:25
Everybody tells that we need people who loves the club.Who love the club most ?Rafa or Brendan Rogers?I am not a Rafa fan but if we look what type a player he bought and BR bought we have the answer who is the great manager.We sack Rafa after one single poor year and it's the year when the owner changed.Under Rafa we was a team that every other team was scared including Barca or Real.That is we need a great manager who can bring great players like Torres,Alonso,Mascherano,Johnson,Reina,Kuyt.Yes he made mistakes but every year we was title contenders but now before the start of a season the manager say not to expect to much.Why? Because our manager win nothing in all his carrer.We are not a club for experiment ,we are not a club who have time.Remember Harry Redknap when he took Tottenham the club was in wich position on the table?How long he took to Champions league and with what amount of cash?That we need a world class manager not BR .Maybe is good manager but not for us .We must change our menatlity as a suporters because we are not in 80's enymore and have time .Now teams who move faster in transfer market then us an wiser are long before us and we never can beat them.
About players it's nothing wrong with them .Lucas is soft and fragile.I never see a tuckle from him like Mascherano used to do,Gerrard is to far from the Suarez,Sahin is in out of position,we need a rock solid defensive midfielder to maintain our position.And for BR ,a great manager must improve players .Not a single one not improved.Remember Rafa he bought top players Torres ,Alonso ,Mascherano and he make superstars from them.Sorry my english.
Mircea

Mircea maybe your english is not great but you are spot on mate, how can you sack a managet after 1 bad season, after he brought the champions league trophy back to lfc for the first time in 20 years! No small time managef could do this, benitez knows his tactics and adapts to every game. If these results carry on and we finish under 6th then personally i would sack brendan and bring back rafa who was unfairly dismissed. Rafa benitez made mistakes but who doesnt? I miss the days when he was leading us in the champions league beating real madrid 5-0. If kenny and roy were sacked for the results then brendan should be dealt the same way if it doesnt improve. I remember i use to come on here all the time complaining about roy hodgson, the only reason i havent been doing it with brendan is because i believed his talk but now i see no action on the field. I would give him until end of season, if we dont improve please bring back rafa benitez, he knows what to do and he can tap into the spanish market to buy quality players. RedTurk

You can not fairly compare the two situations in regards to ability to bring in players between BR and Rafa. We have responsible owners now (or cheap in many eyes) as apposed to those who signed off money we didnt have for those tops players. As for the having a go at the newly returned Lucas, that is a bit silly. We need some more power in midfield without a doubt but last minute power tackles are worth no more than a quiet steal of a ball. Both end up with a change of possession. As for not a single player improved, Sterling, Suso, Henderson, Downing, Enrique. Are the last three world beaters, not as yet, have they improved, yes they all have.

Andy K

How much money spend Rafa and how much money spend FSG in 2 years?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:38:50
hey guys..

expect rogers to be here for the long -haul...because its clear here has already conned these halfwit owners we have...just like the way he talks all this nonsense to the media..the project..this...that...

which all he is doing is buying time for himself!

he has 1 way of playing.........
tactically weak

every manager knows just press liverpools back 4..and force them into trouble..

some of you guys said...none of stokes players would get into our team.........but il tell you what... they bloody would...

our defence is like a leaky tap...and seriously guys...have u seen how many games we have won this season...!! and then the manager has the audacity to say..oh it will be a quiet window!!

so then what are you doing for a whole season then?? wasting fans money?? experimenting with a top club? what! tell us rogers..

so i for one..know that this club is getting worse...its a fact...you say its a results business.........then look at the facts

only the fans can get on the owners case and the manager for sth to change..

i regret that fool chelsea supporter selling us to another american owner...

crap crap and more crap

red lobster

Good post, Rodgers may not be a good manager, but he would do well as a con man.

I think of him as the 'village idiot'.

And that Chelsea supporting Broughton also sacked Rafa and told Torres that if he wanted to win silverware he'd be better off leaving LFC! Low and behold the two of them are at Chelsea now! Make's ya think though!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:35:15
Have to say BR looked pretty stressed in that post match interview. We need to support the man. Although he does need to star getting the basics right, i.e. Suso is a number 10 not a winger.
Plus we need some explosive players, who are fast and strong that can bully teams, we are far too slow and lightweight.

The Jackal.

I have no sympathy for him, he has taken every opportunity to wax lyrical about how good his ideas and abilities are, he has his 300 page dosier that holds the secrets of life, the universe and everything. In fact he talks the talk so much the groundsman doesn't need to buy fertiliser anymore.

The guy is out of his depth, he is not ready, he is not a proven winner, he has no experience to speak of, yet for some reason he was given the job over the vastly more qualified managers who wanted the job, e.g. Van Gaal and Benetiz. FSG still appointed him even though Rodgers record to date tells a story that refutes his appointment. He has one season in the Premier League with Swansea and got them a mid-table finish, his time at Reading and Watford were unremarkable, and when all are added together, they clearly indicate that he is not ready to make the step up.

He should be still at Swansea gaining more experience, proving himself and learning more, making mistakes and not having every one of them scrutinised in gory detail by the media and fans. This pressure Brendan finds himself under, is his own doing, he should not have taken the job. FSG need to sue whoever it was that recommended Rodgers to the club, but if he was their own idea, god help us.


Terry

He should be stessed, his performance is shocking.
Loves his own voice though.
Narcistic, inexperienced, tactically bereft, incompetent, arrogant.
His 'lies' are being exposed.
Hopefully his bosses have noticed.
The real BR laid bare, for all to see.
Tumbleweed Red.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:34:02
To all the cry babies on here, if you want Rodgers out? who is going to replace him? There is nobody! We need to stick with him n see what happens! If you want rafa back then heres a question for you lot.... where did he finish in his last season? Answers on a postcard please....... Mwah ha ha ha ha ha, you lot were probably calling for rafa to be sacked which he was thank god! He started our downfall

James T Kirk
Beem me up Scotty

He finished 7th..and was sacked...
did you encouraged to give him another season...which you are screaming for BR??

Bring back Souness, he'll save you...

Rafa had one bad season..... You are screaming for all us fans to give BR time....well why couldnt you give Rafa time to turn it around after one bad season..?? This was the man who won loads of cups for us and had persons for owners that did not see eye to eye with a manager who wanted the best for Liverpool. But now you guys want to give a nobody a chance just because he is young and apparently has a 180 page dossier?? I have one of those but that doesnt make me a great manager. Rafa did not deserve to go and I truly beleive it will be pointless letting BR go now too. We just have to stop moaning and support the man. He though, has to man up and get rid of the drivel and drop Stevie G like he has Joe Allen. Stevie G is tired and needs a rest. It might just rejuvenate him. He has also got to look at strong defenders because Agger (why oh why did we not sell him to City) is not strong enough....

Slowpoke

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:31:15
How do lads? Been a while eh ;)

SHED END

Ah, you've stopped crying about Benitez then?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:28:34
ED002 say Dalglish did not work out? what we won a trophy and got the team to another cup final. At this stage last season we were 2 points of 4th, excellent defensive record. Dalglish asked for £5m to buy Jelavic and was knocked back in the Jan.

I am sick and tired of hearing fans say they can see progress? I went to Stoke last night and that performance was a disgrace. Same points when Hodgson was in charge. BR is out of his depth and was totally naive last night playing this useless 4-3-3 system. Defensively as a team we are a shambles. The tide is turning against BR and most certainly FSG.

Dalglish and his signings seem to be getting stick. Downing is one of our better players (Dalglidh signing), suarez (daliglish signing), Enrique (dalglish signing). Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Sahin all Rodgers signings and not in the team. FSG did not keep Dalglish because he would have stood up to FSG. Rodgers is a yes man.

FSG tried to sell the club at the end of 2011 and had not takers. They are running this club down and being assisted by an inexperienced manager and Ian Ayre who is inexperienced at this level of football club. When did FSG actually attend a match and show some leadership?

I can't see the situation improving at all. {Ed002's Note - You will find your points already answered on the original post.}

Fernando torres....
xabi alonso....
Rafa signing....
can any manager thier signings with these two in the last 10 years????????????

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:26:13
In January we will replace two first team forwards as well as adding a first team striker.

out
Stewart Downing - £8.5m
Joe Cole - £1.5m
Pacheco - Loan
Making £10m

in
Daniel Sturridge 23, Striker/wide forward - £12m (The signing we missed out in the summer)
Dries Mertens, 25, left wing forward - £10m (Downing replacement)
Jeffren Suarez, 24, right wing forward - loan (Short term Joe Cole replacement)
= £22.5m

net spending in January £12.5m

In the summer we will then buy a first team striker (Carroll's replacement), a first team attacking midfielder, a first team center/defensive mid(Spearing's replacement) and a CB to replace Carragher. with around £40m to spend from the owners plus money from selling Carroll and Spearing.

Seems plausible to be honest although i think Tom Ince could be added, the one i'd love to see the most is Dries Mertens even though i don't see it happening.

AsianRed

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:24:32
Ed, I'm really looking forward to see the partnership between Sturridge and Suarez. I think Sturridge will provide something that liverpool lack before. Would become a good signing. I have few questions for you.

1) What is your opinion about Jack Robinson? Why he didn't get his chance to play even when Enrique didn't play?
2) Is BR looking to sign another goalkeeper? Butland or Zieler will be great addition.
3) What actually happened during Xabi Alonso
transfer to Real Madrid? Did he wanted the move? Until now I still don't know the truth behind his transfer. Hope you can tell what exactly happened.

Thanks for your time. YNWA :) {Ed002's Note - (1) Not sure, I am surprised he didn't at least get a chance. (2) I am not aware of it being a priority but suspect the summer will possibly see Reina move on. Butland strikes me as high risk to bring in as a first choice now. (3) You might do better to ask Ed001 when he is around.}

Regarding the third query, Rafa wanted Barry to re-inforce his midifeld and in typical Liverpool fashion, it became the transfer saga of the season. This unsettled Alonso who was arguably having his best season in Liverpool colours. In the summer Madrid came calling for Alonso's services and with Rafa-Alonso relationship soured, and Alonso also seeking newer pastures, it was a deal that concluded quickly.

Personally, that departure along with the fact that we didn't get Villa, Silva and/or Barry, who were heavily linked, in the subsequent Window marked a rather telling blow to us as a midfield force.

Hope that helps,

sama491

What do you mean you don't know the truth? Alonso said it clearly in an interview. Benitez wanted to bring Barry in and give Alonso. Alonso never wanted to leave. Things got ugly between them and Alonso decided to move on as he could not stand that Benitez wanted him gone after such displays the previous year.
Gerrard also tried to convince Alonso to change his mind but Benitez was so stubborn and never admitted his mistake or even tried to talk to Alonso about that situation.

Alonso is a awesome...
but can u look at his record with liverpool??
out of 4 season he had with us..he stood out for just 2 seasons....
and thats a truth

It could be argued that Alonso had his best season for us when he was playing for a move and therefore in some ways cheated us.

Some fans have Alonso tinted glasses and whilst I am not saying he wasn't one of our better performers, he wasn't our best performer over the whole time he was with us. As the poster above stated, he only had two good seasons with us, one of which he was playing for a move.

FT

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:01:26
can somebody tell me what shelveys qualities are and why he is in the team he is terrible in front of goal what he did with his chance last nite hes bein doing the same all season great chance and an awful first touch he should of being the first off last nite give me henderson any day at least henderson can get up and down the pitch.agger looks really suspect when it comes down to a physical battle
jimmychang

He's our second highest goalscorer this season with 5 goals. Nuff said.

AsianRed

I thought it was Gerrard?

The Irish Rover

Gerrard has 4.

5 including the og against West Ham, wow a star is born. A man destined to score important goals for us in the Europa League.

The lad is slower than Didi Hamann, with the turning circle of Paul Stewart. A mid table plodder, if Rogers thinks he is capable of playing for a team challenging for at top four four place, we really are in trouble.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 19:01:19
ed002 u are the only one who speaks sense and ur right its results buisness so in your words wat do u think should happen, if he goes who would replace him. and secondly wat do u think will happen?
werent we linked with van goal or was that just for dof i thinkhe would be a geat manager for us cheers mike {Ed002's Note - I would rather like to think that the fans get behind the manager and the players and show their support. A little bit of luck, players staying fit and a couple of additions to the squad offering different options will see the side climb the table. Getting in to the mix for the Europa places I see as a reasonable expectation. Chelsea staying where they are in the league and sneaking a League Cup win will help Liverpool out - and if Liverpool cannot win the FA Cup two of the top four contesting the final would again help. I really do think bringing in another football person could provide a boost for Rodgers. Van Gaal was "suggested" as being a possible person for Director of Football type role - but he will not be leaving the Dutch national side until after the 2014 World Cup unless they screw it up completely.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:54:13
Just curious, if Rodgers was for whatever reason sacked who would the doomsayers bring in to replace him? Seeing as though most managers are at their respectful clubs (no Guardiola & Klopp BS). Do any of the posters here wanna take a shot, im sure you've won various trophies with Liverpool on Football Manager and Fifa 13. The only plausible person i can think of is Rodolfo Borrell, even though he has no experience in managing the first team in the EPL.

Before, you all go asking for a persons head, think about what you'll do after you've got it. I hear Mark Hughes is available?

AsianRed

I think you're bang on with Borrell. He would my choice, at least for the interim.

RDL

Thats not really the issue. If Rodgers is not doing the job and not getting the results on the pitch then why would you want to keep him?

The Irish Rover

Like the sound of rodolph, but he should be assistant manager. My person I want in charge is phil Thompson. Now before you reject this tell me who won us all those trophies in 2000-2001?

I think people want Rafa and for all his detractors, I wouldn't mind him coming back at some stage.

I'm willing to give Rodgers time, but what I really admired in Benitez (his tactical knowledge), seems to be lacking in BR.

I know the players/lack of squad depth have let him down somewhat, but he's the manager and needs to make some big decisions soon.

Papa G

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:51:20
Rodgers said we could end second. He is right. We are ending second in every other match :(

Second from bottom

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:46:20
57 points still available lads.

Do you think that Liverpool can get all the 57 points?

dream on (Y)

Ha ha.
What did we achieve from the first 57.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:36:44
sort post,valid point, a true indication of how good a manager is has his signing improved the squad ?

has he improved the players he inherited ?

Answer= a resonding NO !!

The latter every player except suarez there performance has dropped significantly.

Another question if this guy is so good how many games have we made early subs because it isn't working ?

So you are saying that there has been no improvement in Downing, Henderson or Enrique? No development or improvement in Sterling or Suso or Wisdom? Lucas has only just returned from a long layoff, Gerrard is not going to improve at his age, Suarez is flourishing. Allen is new to the club. It is still a very young team overall. It is costing us a lot less. That is an improvement. First 6 games 5 points 1 win, second 6 games 10 points 2 wins. Third 6 games 10 points 3 wins. Not so sure your point is right at all. We are where we are and there is a lot of improving to come but as for the resounding NO, I am not so sure on that at all. Complacency and inconsistency are hallmarks of a young team and a thin squad. Changing managers all of the time without bucket loads of cash will not improve us, it will keep setting us back. Lets be patient and supportive not reactionary and counterproductive. This does not mean that we can not get frustrated nor point out where we believe better decsions can be made but they need to be constructive.

Andy K

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:36:00
Get Ian Ayre Out
rubbish house
TheDARkNight

How he has a job at LFC is beyond me. He is an embarasment

What are his qualifications.

Head doorman on the grafton 5 years served. Lfc fazak

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:21:34
I can't believe how many people are calling for BR's head, we are going through a transformation period, top 4 was never on the cards for this season, next season is the one that counts. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Great site by the way Ed's, great way to see how our fans feel about the club!
Cheers.

Look, at the beggining of his reign which was early in the summer, most lfc fans said that the naysayers had to give BR at least till jan (halfway through the season) to implement his style and bring in players that he thinks will improve our squad and get rid of players that do not. I cannot make up an excuse for Brendan and the team that suggests why we are so inconsistent. Yesterday was solely a defencive lapse and normally we are solid in defence whilst being inferior in attack. It's funny that certain clubs with a new manager (west brom, AVB, Michael laundrup) have instant impact and never use the 'transition period' excuse. We used the same excuse for kenny daglish and look what happened. By this point if BR hasn't got liverpool playing the way he wants them to, then clearly he is a poor manager. However I believe this is exactly how he wants them to play, but the team chemistry is not there. The attacking options are not there. The consistency is not there. The leadership is not there. These things take 1 or 2 seasons to gel. Look at Everton or arsenal. Hardly ever make changes to their team. Big changes can ruin the chemistry. We of all clubs should know that. BR will be given time no doubt, but how long till all the fans turn against him? End of the season perhaps when we are still midtable?

I predict a 9th place finish with 51 points. There or there abouts. BR will remain as lfc manager.

Another transformation film running in theatre from past 3 years...
its a record that liverpool has the longest transformation in the history of any clubs....

 

 

27 dec 2012 18:18:00
shut up and stop moaning!!!nineteen pl games to go.
judge then not now.stop slating l.f.c. and support l.f.c.br isthemanager, get behind him while he's in charge.through the wind and reign.john.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:13:10
Why is yesil not getting a game? {Ed002's Note - He is young and part of the part of the reserves set up and has had a few games for them.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:12:46
i said it b4 and i,ll say it again we should of kept and got RAFA. Our DEFENCE is rubbishe and SHELVEY is one hyped up player who should be a sub at best cant run cant dribble.
SUAREZ needs support.

Rant ova

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:11:34
Confirmed that Suarez has injured his anckle, don't worry - he will back in two days tops

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:08:47
Guys just chill, BR and sahin will solve all this in 2 days tops!
Ali G indahouse

You need to lay off the funny fags mate.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:06:21
Ed002,
Take us back a few months to early Summer 2012.
The DoF - this was supposed to be FSG's new direction was it not, and it seemed a done thing at the time.
Was it Brendan himself that dissuaded them from going down this route ?
If FSG can be knocked for anything, it is for not being ruthless enough in pursuing their aims. As you say, first Dalglish (although the momentum there was unstoppable), and then the back-tracking on a DoF.
I worry now, however, that BR will accept a new DoF. So it could well be all change again next Summer !
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - FSG certainly considered various folks for such a role. I don't know if Rodgers' persuaded them against it, but I am aware is is against working within such a structure. This potentially goes back to his Chelsea days when I recall that an issue or two arising. I am not so sure that anyone coming in would necessarily be in a DoF role or whether it might just be advisory to help out the manager. It would be hard for Rodgers to argue agaisnt help given the results and standing of the club. Perhaps a sounding board is just what he needs?}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:07:07
I thought our fans were understanding and patient. We win a few games on the spin and then they say we are 'top 4 team' lose a game they say we have not got enough talent and a mid table team. Seriously call your self fans?

Fans are split, half use their hearts others their heads. You can talk about stats and luck and bad refereeing but at the end the table doesn't lie. How can we compete when we keep starting fresh? In 2-3 years is what we hear constantly! We need a world class manager to get the ball rolling and some big experience in the squad.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:03:13
Ed playing the role of devils advocate in regards to managers not reaching targets do u think the owners have failed to reach their targets and expectations of one of the biggest clubs in the world and therefor should be sacked?

It is them making the decisions on who to hire etc {Ed002's Note - You cannot sack the owners - it is their club.}

Ha ha LOL sack the owners! Classic!

Crowman.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 18:01:17
Can I just say that we didn't get world class players when rafa came, xabi alonso wasn't world class when he joined, there's a few but don't wanna keep goin, but u get the point. Realistically we don't need world class players, just good scouting and a decent negotiator

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:57:50
Helllooooo we've been midtable for the last 3 seasons! And this time no kiyt maxi bellamy meireles or torres bcoz they had to be sold

Why are you lot acting suprised? Lol

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:52:16
Hi Eds,

Seem to remember a small mention of Lisandro Lopez being of interest to LFC a little while back.......just wondering whether that interest has died of death or still has any legs?

Cheers,

Leffeman101 {Ed052's Note - not at the moment, nothing doing}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:42:40
Hi Eds and fellow Reds,
Who do you expect to be sold in the January transfer window?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:19:29
Things wrong at Liverpool

1. Stadium (inadequate capacity)
2. Team too many average players, have not improved since Torres Alonso Mascherano left
3. FSG (only playing at running a club like ours see previous two questions for proof)
4. Joe Cole
5. Atmosphere on match day (away fans are louder)
6. John Henry (actions speak louder than words)
7. Agents wage bill
8. Players wage bill
9. Broken promises
10. NOT ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR BR FROM THE OWNERS TO THE FANS....,

Controversial red

The problem is the players with there massive ego's :

Reina : Gets caught out well too often , too busy thinking what he's going to be doing with his wife when he gets home

Skrtel : Would rather be doing some tattooing

Enrique : Would rather be having his daily pampering session

Allen : Too busy in the bedroom constantly feeling "tired"

Sterling : Too busy posting pictures of him and his missus eating domino pizza on twitter

No fight , passion nor pride in the shirt , It's a disgrace Bill & Bob will be turning in there graves at these bunch of muppets.

Plymouth Red. {Ed002's Note - You probably need to look up the definition of ego.}

Main problem in the last two years have verbs transfers!

I have noticed one factor missing, the atmosphere at games from our fans.
Scouse_Pride

I think the team lacks strong mentality at least and it proves that when we play lesser teams (with respect) the high level of motivation is not quite there but when we play big guns we can see the difference. Motivation affects performance and I think we may need to get this sorted. Overall I think the team is not that far off at all. Hate to say this but I think SAF got something up his sleeves in the dressing room to motivate his players. Enjoy the holiday fellow reds. Cheers

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:25:45
BR needs to be given more time...we can't keep on changing managers every 8 months or so...it just doesn't make sense.

I admit however that he's made tactical mistakes but who hasn't at his age. I still think he'll be a successfaul manager but he needs to be given time and funds to buy quality players. Unfortunately, KK and DC didn't spend the money they wisely otherwise they both would have still been at LFC. I don't want to go into the argument whether KK deserved at least another season but we need to look forward and admit that for the time being we are a mid-table team. Not to easy to admit but other than Suarez and maybe Enriquez (Gerrard's not what he was) we simply don't have any world class players so the most we can aspire this season is mid-table mediocrity. Let's not fool ourselves...unless FSG buy the right players we may in mid-table status for a long-time. They way Stoke City demolished us yesterday and Villa a couple of weeks ago at Anfield is prood of this. Look what happened to Villa since!

It makes far more financial sense to change the manager regularly (one paycheck) versus having to change the playing staff regularly (many, many paychecks).

RDL

Lets hope with a couple of decent signings , plus boroni back and hopefully Lucas making a full return from injury , we will have a side to get us back to the top four , okay , not this season , and we do need 5 or 6 players to come in , I am counting , a goalie , another centre back to keep the present two , on their toes , someone to challenge Lucas , ha that man should have been got as soon as Lucas went out , long term , someone to take over from the great Stevie G , when his time is up , and will finish off by saying , no more of this looking for 10 points from the next 12 , its 6 tops , just getting real , ok next two games , maybe four points max , but reckon three , but we will bounce back .
redforever .

BR is not ever going to become a top manager, lest stopping dreaming of what could be and just face this fact. It will be better to get rid of him now than suffer another year of poor tactics, poor decisions, poor transfer signings and wasting more money. It actually would be cheaper pay him off rather than see him blow another 20m this January.

We missed a huge opportunity when Van Gaal wanted the job, but FSG duped us, claiming bright young managers were the way forward, and the experienced winners were irrelevant now, translated as younger novice managers are controllable and yes men, but now we are where we are, there are no excuses, we stink of average and have still managed to waste more money than most. FSG are clueless.

Jon

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:16:22
in Rafa Benitez we trusted and loved.
in Brendan Roger we will never trust!. fact!

Go follow Chelsea then, I trust BR to a good job. It amazes me how people like you wantBR out, he's only been in the job six months or so. Whatever happened to be supportive and patient, I think some supposed lfc fans should put them words into a New Years resolution.
Huddz red

People keep saying give him time. But if he hasn't got it, he could have all the time in the world. It would make no difference.
There are no signs anything is improving. In fact we are going backwards. He is worse than Hodgson and definitely worse than Kenny.

Things are going to get better, no time soon. Never at this rate.

By now there should be signs of a style or a recovery, nothing.

Rowdy Yates

27 Dec 2012 17:34:12
You used "fact!" at the end of your statement, thus you are an obnoxious glifnard and not a real fan. That my friend is what you would call a "fact!"

Jolly Red

In Brendan Roger you will never trust FACT.

Get his name right and its your opinion fact! Not everyone's

Fluff Rodgers

Go to chelsea then?

But i can gurantee you that ul come back in a few months wishing u never rafa is a failure he won champs league once. I gurantee u it will all go wrong rafa aint a good manager fact

Rafa just won the champs league once, do you hear yourself? do you even realise how silly that sounds?

so tell me what has Rodgers won ever?

Well Huddz red.
You keep trusting in BR then, be the little 'doe eyed groupie', the lovestruck fan.
Keep the 'bromance' alive, you can knit him a scarf and a wooly hat, and then clap your hands in teenage 'glee' when he wears it, and you feel 'oh soo special'.

The rest of us will deal in reality.
BR is rubbish, incompetent, inexperienced, and qualified to lead a parade at disneyland.

Give br time to completely destroy lfc.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:13:42
Question for all fellow Lfc fans on this page

Why do some of you refuse to criticize Steven Gerrard?

Don't they say your only as good as your last game? Lets be truthful when did Gerrard last but mom shift? He's our leader he should be running throw a brick wall, that's how you get the young/ under performing players going they need a leader on the pitch but Gerrard just isn't one. I always watch his reaction when one of our players gets in trouble with the ref or when we don't get a decision our way he never complains to the referee, why should a ref give us a pen or a free kick when our skipper just puts his head down and walks off? Look how Utd, Chelsea & City skippers react when they get decisions against them, If they do it why shouldn't we? Now off the pitch he should tell players to step up or piss off.

Before you lot have a go at me just remember Torres last 6 months, he didn't give too rubbishs about us just like Gerrard right now.

Good day lfc till I die

Run throw a brick wall ? Throw ?
Didn't give two rubbishs ?
How old are you mate ?

ReDDaZ

Not just Stevie G that seems to always have his head down lately!
Although most have picked up on he is not on his game, and hasn't been for a while now, this is due to our high expectation of him.

His body language is as though he has given up. Tired?, played out of position?, disillusioned with BR style of play?, playing with injury?, home life not great?

All we can do is support him and pull him through this, by his own admission, bad patch.
Piddy.

I don't disagree with you entirely at all, but at the same time BR makes the team selection and substitutions, so if Gerrard is underperforming as a player or as a captain (and I personally believe he is doing both), then it's Rodger's prerogative to correct this which thus far he has not.

RDL

I think your right , but Stevie G s game has changed over the last 2/3 seasons , just as the game has changed , its become a lot faster , and players , managers need to stand up and be counted , so maybe , it would be best , if someone else took the armband , someone more vocal , who would react during the game , such as shouting to put a player on the near post , from a corner , that would have saved one of the goals at Stoke , so yes good point .
redforever

RDL

Don't you think Gerrard should as a skipper tell BR if he wants to get the best out of me play me in my favorite position?

Well, the skipper is the skipper, not the manager. I'm sure BR would listen to his input, but that should be about it. Gerrard (or any player) should put in 100% effort wherever BR puts them on the pitch.

RDL

Without Gerrard we would have been mid table for the last 10 years plus.

He has carried us for long enough and has earned a little leeway.

For me, his leeway is he is getting paid a very handsome some of money (most in the club I believe?) and yet not providing nearly the return on that monetary outlay.

Between Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, and Cole that's something like what, 23M or thereabouts annually coming out of the club? ~12-13% of the club's turnover on those 4? Sorry, but I just think that this is part of what is holding us back. Gerrard and Carra are absolute legends but I just think that money could be used much more wisely. {Ed002's Note - So your proposal is to what? Release them from their contracts because they don't have any significant resale value. How much would it cost to replace them in transfer fees and wages}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 17:10:52
I think next year warrior needs to put 5 stars around the liverbird on our kits for our European championships to remind our players of the prestige of our beloved club.
YNWA USA

The warrior kits look awful.

Can only wear the 5 stars in the champions league.
Les

And to remind our fans too , even tho , it seems like a long time ago , and right now , number six , wont happen for a long long time .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:53:15
I think the style of football played does not necessarily suit the players,some of them can not keep hold of the ball and give it away too easily.There is also too much football being played around the penalty area when sometimes all thats needed is to kick it in the stands.They also need to speed up the play as too many passes get wasted by going sideways or backwards.Its too predictable and other teams have worked this out

We dont press teams when they have the ball enough, its clear that when stoke pressed us it was difficult to maintain good possession of the ball. Its fair and well trying to pass it around but we lack creativity in the final third. We want to play like Barcelona but they can pop it around into pockets of space right through to the penalty area, where there is an option of 3-4 players to pick a pass. We are stuck in the middle of the park with little option for the final cutting ball. We are also left short at the back as our wing backs are left up field having run on with little options, Suarez is lost in the middle on his own, or has gone wide chasing the ball. We have a number of players floating around the middle of the park, and teams punt it out on the break leave us chasing back (its alot of ground to cover when you have just pushed all the way up), we are caught out in defence, bang we loose a goal.

We really lost out when Bellamy,Kuyt and Maxi were allowed to leave without being properly replaced.All 3 were comfortable on the ball,worked hard for the team and scored goals.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:51:25
I must say it NOW BR out .

Another t*at post

ReDDaZ

The longer he stays there, the worse the damage.

Rowdy Yates

1st of all u get lost son...
holy_red.

Do you really expect us to win every game?

Reddaz I suppose you would jump off a cliff if Rodgers told you to, you sound just like your own post.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:50:12
'Brendan Rodgers says Liverpool will not be overly busy during the transfer window'

That's mid-table nailed on then.

Love the club, hate the way it's being run.

Adam

I just hope it's being playing down to not get prices too inflated....
Skurks

My advice 2u,y don't u take over LFC.

holy_red.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:43:36
For me personally, I think BR is a decent guy and perhaps someday will be a great manager but, like Ed002 has said many times, I think perhaps we gave him his chance too soon. I don't know what goes on in the dressing room or behind the scenes, but my gut feeling is the players don't respect him to the extent they perhaps should. He's never managed a 'big' team and did not play at a high level himself and my guess would be that perhaps that lack of experience creates doubt among the staff which is not helpful.

I don't necessarily wish for a sacking, but clearly something needs to happen and it's not practical to change our squad significantly. The 'he needs 3 or 4 windows to get his team in place' philosophy is incredibly flawed and makes little sense. BR needs to play with what he has on hand and if he can't fashion that into a winning side, then perhaps it would be better for all if he moved on.

It's not entirely fair to BR as the players we have, skilled as they may be individually, aren't working as a team, or at least not a team that appears to be able to challenge for anything significant anytime soon but at the end of the day the results are on BR since you can't fire the starting 11 and replace them tomorrow.

RDL

There is a big flaw in your argument. Not all great managers were great players, in fact I think the reverse is true. Just because you were a great player does not make you a definite great manager. I take one example (killme for it) SAF was a pretty poor player but we have to admit has done pretty well as a Manager?

Iggypop

'player's don't respect him' ? well - IF that was to be the case I would be staggered. We, at the moment, have a mixture of youth (being given a chance), established pros, who have not been achieving and a couple of 'legends' (who are nowhere near their peak) I think it would be a travesty if ANY of that lot were to say 'I don't respect the manager'. They should be improving their
performance on the field by 100% (with a couple of obvious exceptions) and hoping that THEY can still hope for a little respect for themselves

Puzzled

But we are not a big team anymore

Iggypop/Puzzled- I never said top managers need to have been top players per se, but BR has never been either (no disrespect intended, but that is reality).

My gut feeling (and I have 0 proof of it) is that the senior players are maybe 'respectful' of Rodgers in a polite manner, but I don't believe the team as a whole (and particularly the senior squad members) have bought into him as the manager. If you look at someone like Joe Allen, who started off brilliantly and knew BR in a different role and has since dropped off a bit, I think it's fair to say there is a bit of malaise at the least about the squad which leads me to believe their is a very negative air about the dressing room.

We lack passion and belief and it's up to BR (to some extent) to give that to them but he has no practical experience to provide that (e.g. he's never played or managed a CL team yet a good chunk of the senior players have been in that competition).

RDL

The problem is , that teams above us , ha , too many now , have or are spending lots on new players , making it more difficult for us to get top four , its not going to happen this season , or next , I hope BR , will still be with us then , remember , he is having to learn too .
redforever {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are constantly one of the top ten spending clubs world-wide. Certainly the six teams immediately above Liverpool right now spent less than this summer and last season than Liverpool did.}

The same thing happened at chelsea with avb the players just werent impressed and after half the season they are still not impressed i can see your piont because in everyones job if ur boss says do it this way and u no it doesnt work ur not gonna bother are u simple and igreed with edd 2 this job was to soon wat has he actually done took over from wt martinez did at swansea rogers did implement anything for me dont like saying it but dont give him money to waste and let him go

mike

RDL - I do realise that you are only surmising - but IF there is a malaise
in the dressing romm - where the hell is the captain - the captain should be
(1) nipping any kind of dissent/dissatisfaction in the bud (2) kicking the arse of any such offending player (3) telling the manager - we need 'x' out of the dressing room.

If none of these things are being done then we do NOT have a captain

Puzzled

There is def something wrong , why are we not in Champions League , not in top four , we have been constantly putting round pegs into square holes , like kuyt out wide , hendo out wide , why not buy or loan a wide player , we have needed a defensive mid-fielder since Mash left , our defence is wide open , hence too many goals conceded , only one main striker , who gets too many silly yellows , we best use the next 2/3 transfer windows to rectify any part ot our team which is weak .or we will be in real trouble .
redforever

I entirely agree with you, Puzzled. Gerrard should be the one guy sticking up for the gaffer (if there was any hypothetical disrespect going on), but I've said on here in the past I don't really rate Stevie as a skipper to be honest. Great player and undoubtedly a club legend, but for me he's not a natural leader- far too moody for that sort of role and you need someone who can exert a positive influence 100% of the time. Again, just my opinion, I'm sure many will disagree.

Redforever, I do agree with you a bit there. Playing someone out of position happens occasionally and I don't have a problem with it on a limited basis, but seeing someone like Suso on the wing (as an example) does my head in a bit as I don't think it makes any sense at all. I also don't know why we're playing a 4-3-3ish sort of formation when we really only have one natural forward at the moment, but I suppose that's a different thread.

RDL

The problem is that BR is not very flexible , you just dont play the same system for each away game , you have to adjust , Pulis out thought BR , read him like an open book , and I could not believe he played suso at all , I dont want BR out , just hope he cops on real quick , or were in Big trouble .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:40:56
we reds who live in swansea thought it was a joke when we first heard that colin pascoe was to be liverpool no 2, we could'nt understand what imput he was putting in at swansea ( his home town) let alone at anfield. Is he only there because his daughter is going out with pascoe's son? As a rather inexperienced epl manager i would like to see brendon have a much more experienced no 2
jaycee

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:39:31
This site is getting funny..one loss nd sack manager nd one win nd we are doing well...if board was to listen to fans we would have had more managers in season the players.....rodgers need time.we as club have made million of mistakes in last few years nd it will take years before we can reverse that...ferguson had few years before we was successful at utd..they had to write off few years to get future sorted nd rest is history...lets asses him after season nd maybe get him help like roy evans to get better as manager..he is naive nd every match he will learn nd get better...we are 2-3 good players away from bring average to very good side nd youngsters like suso (should be played in centre) sterling wisdom, kelly are looking good nd need experience which requires time...


Harry Oldbury

One loss ?
One loss ?

Where are the points ?
Where are the victories?

Oh yes, I forgot. Fulham.

27 Dec 2012 18:11:15
If you leave your name then its easier to reply?...you tell me better solution then?...I dont care about Rodgers or Gerrard. .all I care about Liverpool nd no way we can carry on sacking managers without giving them time. We lost few players in summer nd we have got some players who are either passed peak or about to or too young...reardless who ever manages we are going back in right direction and it will take time..

Harry Oldbury

One loss, we have lost 6, that's as many as we have won, that equals average

Well , if we were not going one step forward , then one step backwards , we would all be so much confident , lets take the next two matches , we should be looking at four or six points , but no , cant see us winning both , three points is best we can do with the team , and subs BR puts out , sorry but thats the way it will go .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:38:58
For me the system should be 3-4-3 or 4-1-3-2 then you need the right selection

Call me old fashiond , but i like to see 2 strikers , suarez has done an incredible job up there alone , no one is around him to draw defenders away or to use suarez to draw defenders away from the 2nd striker . the two wide forwards for example sterling + downing neither can cross the ball suarez is too small, for that kind of play - so there job is to run at the full backs into left/right of center of the box , thats where suarez is so our wider players are just running into blocks of defending players , creating no space for the striker . sterling is undoubtibly the biggest thing since stevie g . he does remind me of john barnes , but if you guys remember the 80's team and how they played this team does not play in that style . i hate to say it but man utd do play in that style and look at where they are and have been for 25yrs . i love lfc and have supported them for all my life 42 yrs .
but i have never seen lfc so clueless i know what happened in the summer was mental , but would shanks/paisley/evens/dalglish release a brand new expensive striker and leave only 1 at the club , even if another striker was belived to come in the previous managers would not count on a new striker before he arrived they wouldnt count on a new striker to settle straight away . i have a problem not only with under-performing players but under performing manager as well , i have nothing against b.r i sincierly hope he can turn things around , however i dont think he will unless he changes his thought process with tactics and players . i never thought a.carroll was the player for us , but i would have like to have seen what he and suarez could have done together for 20-30 games but he was never really given a chance even k.d didnt play him as much as perhapps he should of look at whop we could have brought for 30m the 50m for torres was wasted completly 20m for henderson ! i have nothing against joe allen but he isnt built for a holding midfield roll remember mcmahon / molby theses players were hard tacklers and great passers and most inportantly leaders , its true gerrard isnt playing as he once did and at his age and past injuries i dont think he ever will be the midfield dynamo he was . who in this team can do that - no one in my opinion too many players are quiet i remember the players that made me fall in love with our team and i would say 6or 7 of them were shouters - leaders . gerrard can not do this alone . if sterling or souso have a rubbish game who is talking to them . souting at them . inspireing them ? b.r is i think a nice guy but will he do a fergie and throw a tea tray at a player will he scream and shout at a player , i dont see any evidence of that .

Good post , so much money wasted , not enough class bought , we should never have got big andy , we could have got some one special in for mash , a real winner , who would drive us on , redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:37:43
Hello Ed.
I m tired of all these things. Nw rodgers sad he will spend in summer. Its just another excuse. Just try to make fans happy. I knw nuthng will change in lfc. We r just a mid table team who doesnt have enough quality to beat team like vila and stoke. Our owner nt goin to spend bcs they knw rodgers has fail like daglish. I knw lfc play good ftbal bt doesnt have enough points. Owner doesnt put presure on rodger to deliever thats y he took easily. Rodger make too many mistakes in signing player like kk did. I m sad to say i might nt see lfc again competing for top honours. I still support lfc and always do.
Thanx.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:35:54
Sorry to be positive but I think that we have been playing some really decent football this year for a club that has had to start again. Did anyone actually expect us to be near the top of the league?

I think 8th would be a decent season for BR considering most of the players are not his. Some things just don't go perfectly - who would have thought that Sahin would struggle to play in EPL?

I am certain that if fans were noisier at anfield then we would have had a few more points on the board. The loudest it gets is when one of our players gives the ball away or if it's a jft96 chant.

Fowler99

27 Dec 2012 17:57:03
Thats the problem,we finished 8th last year with two cup finals and that wasn't deemed good enough,so finishing 8th again cannot be progress.
We havn't started again. Rangers have started again.
WelshBoyDave

We as fans have given anuf support we give a %100 the team is not give us something 2 sing an be exited about got 2 say we look scared out there . Lfc fazak

Dont think you should be putting some of the blame on the fans , to give more vocal support , equals more points , more so , the club buying better players , then same players giving more during the game , also I think , that there is some sort of agenda against us , thats the match officals , the media , the FA , glad , we seem to be improving , if only slightly .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:35:17
Hi Guys

I support my team through thick and thin, and I always will. But I won't accept under performing players & pretend everything is ok when it's not.

Johnson, Suarez, Agger, Sterling, Suso, Škrtel, Enrique, Lucas - The only players who have been good enough this season. The rest of our players have under performed.

It doesn't make you a bad supporter criticising the likes of Pepe or Gerrard, they've simply been rubbish & no where near top form for the last 2 season.

Now i move to players who are not good enough to play for Liverpool Football Club . We need to clear out all of our deadwood (list below).
Downing
Cole
Carroll
Spearing
Doni
Jonjo Shelvey
Danny Wilson
Daniel Pacheco ( never really took his chance)


Dave-lfc

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:21:10
Watching us this season, I almost expect every decent shot that we concede to go in. It has got to the point where it is almost a surprise when Reina makes a good save. I am sure the defenders will probably have this in the back of their mind too, which will not help ther performance - they'd would play better knowing they had a rock behind them.

I have been thinking as well that maybe this is the answer to why we can't score. The players don't have a good keeper to practice against - it must be so much harder in a game than in training. Thoughts?

B101

Here is a thought. What about if Reina knew he had a rock in front of him and not expecting to be left exposed time and again. For the record, Reina could do nothing about yesterdays 3 goals (all down to poor defending) and did make a great save.

The Irish Rover

I disagree , thought Pepe could have have done a bit more with each of them goals , however , your right , if he was protected more , then we would see more points on the table , just hate seeing so many mistakes from our team , and they keep on happening
redforever

The third goal I completely agree with. However, the first goal he didn't come off his line to close the angles quick enough and got sent the wrong way.

And the second I heard the commentators say that it was Reina's call to get Johnson off of his post to come between him and the stoke player. That judgement call (if the commentator is correct, and they do sometimes make mistakes) cost us a goal.

B101

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:21:10
Watching us this season, I almost expect every decent shot that we concede to go in. It has got to the point where it is almost a surprise when Reina makes a good save. I am sure the defenders will probably have this in the back of their mind too, which will not help ther performance - they'd would play better knowing they had a rock behind them.

I have been thinking as well that maybe this is the answer to why we can't score. The players don't have a good keeper to practice against - it must be so much harder in a game than in training. Thoughts?

B101

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:22:39
Brendan is slowly bringing in the tika taka play, in the last few games we've dominated the game on passes made, shots, shots on target, crosses, possession the only thing were not doing great in is picking the right starting 11 and converting chances. Why play 4231 with Gerard and Lucas as the 2, put gerrard in the hole and put sahin by Lucas and take shelves off!

I was agreeing with you until you said;
put gerrard in the hole

The only place Gerrard should be is the bench

You should have gone to Specsavers

Gerrard? the one who has scored in the last 3 games? he may not be the gerrard of old but he is still one of the best of a bad bunch

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:15:13
You guys are getting it wrong FSG are the problem..they decided not to hire an experienced manager who would attract quality players on good wages,but instead they go for a puppet like brendan who they can control to get only young players on low wages..its no coincidence we are buying average players under 24 {Ed002's Note - FSG hired Dalglish, an experienced manager, at the behest of the Liverpool faithful. Didn't work out, did it?}

To be fair ed002. Surely it would have been quite hard not to give him the job considering what he done in the previous 5 months. From memory who else had Fsg lined up if not Kenny.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - He got the job because the fans wanted him. It was one of the two significant mistakes FSG has made. It is not a case of lining up a manager - you go out and find one if you need one.}

Ok, i will put it another way. Why would the fans not want him after what he had done in the previous 5 months.

At least if it does go tits up with Rodgers we cant have that chucked in our face. That we be significant mistake number 3.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The fans were blind to Dalglish's significant shortcomings because of his, albeit tremendous, history with the club. He had been out of the game in England for well over 10 years and, as we all know, it did not work out at all well either success wise or financially for the club. I don't think it is throwing anything in the face of the fans, it is no more than a case of it-is-what-it-is. If it goes wrong with Rodgers the owners will need to accept that they got it wrong not putting in another football person at teh club - but I am still of the opinion that could well happen.}

Ed002, I have to disagree with you when you say it didnt work out with KK Im afraid. Its a little unfair to say Dalglish didnt work out when he really wasnt given enough time. He took us to Wembley 3 times in his first season, we played in 2 finals and won one.

The effect on fans morale was immense, unlike the current climate.

He brought us hope, whats wrong with that ?

I accept that the press liaison was very poor but a decent MD would have resolved that problem and guided Kenny, after all KK had been away for a while and clearly wasnt as well versed with the press as maybe he could have been.

Notwithstanding the fact that I personally believe KK should have been given more time, I now believe we have no option but to support our new manager, and that is exactly what I intend to do.

It was only 2 games ago he was talking about the prospect of finishing 4th, a very inexperienced thing to do. Hes still learning, but he will have to take it to the next level very quickly, or his honeymoon period could be over very soon.

Fingers crossed that BR has something that we have yet to see in terms of managerial skill.... if Im honest, I havnt seen it yet.

Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - I appreciate that Liverpool got to play at Wembley and won a cup, but I rather doubt that was the success anyone wanted. Most folks trash the League Cup until suddenly they are in the final - then it matters. Success on the pitch would have been getting in to the Champions League - that remains the Nirvana. Success off the pitch would have been the better handling of events of December 21 - which was the primary driver in him losing his job (like it or not). I don't think more time would have helped him Tel - the change was going to happen regardless. Whilst I will stick to what I said originally, that it is a job too early or perhaps a year or two too early for Rodgers, he will thrive on the support of the fans, as I suspect the team will. I understand to some extent that there will be a backlash to poor performances and results but the supporters need to shake it off and get on with being behind the team for the weekend.}

Ed 002, The other mistake FSG made was hiring Rodgers.
They would have done better promoting Steve Clarke. {Ed002's Note - With hindsight perhaps. The other mistake was Comolli.}

The biggest mistake was Comolli.......
JRF Red

Ed002, regarding Dec21. Do you not think a bit of guidance and advice from Tom Werner, our overseas chairman would have been benificial. Was he not silent for the majority of this saga until the damage was really done?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I know that Tom Werner did not see the events of that day coming - and keep in mind that by then there was some firefighting to do with Standard Chartered aswell.}

Ed football is about winning trophies and when we look back in our history then we can say thats x amounts of cups. Champions league qualifacation isnt something remembered and certainly is in the history books. As far as i can remember the league cup has always been classed as one of our domestic trophies and their for it counts in the trophie hall. Its those managers who started playing for money rather than history destroyed our trophy and people like yourself dont help by showing no respect. Sorry ed but this is my opinion. {Ed002's Note - No problem then. I rather think you might be in teh minority who prefer a league cup win over a champions league place.}

Fair point Ed002.....honest view, well respected

Tel 1949

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:09:10
Guys!whats going on it a bloody joke we've won the most trophies in England There's only 1 thing to do get in the champions league however teams which are in the champions in England that's were top players go for example Podolski Hazard Oscar that's it guys bye.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:08:36
How much would do santo be worth?

Two bob and a gobstopper

How about two and six, an uncle joes mint ball and a lucky bag ?

God help us if we really do end up buying rubbishe like this!

Do Santo is a much better player than most think , did he not score a hat trick a short time ago , I for one would take him , and more so , if his price has gone down due to his contract running out .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:07:17
Was just thinking I've heard alot of clubs want to sign Andre Ayew from Marseille, he's fast and a deadly finisher. Also Scotty Parker would be a good buy and Belinda

Belinda who? Belinda Carlisle?

Scott Parker?
Oh dear

Chris in Tamworth

Two years ago Parker would have been good for us - but - far too late now

Puzzled

27 Dec 2012 20:29:36
quality @ Belinda Carlisle....And Scott Parker ? Isn't he a bit errmmmm old ? Injury ridden ?
Mr Rodgers will get it right, starting with Dan Sturridge....On a personal note, whether it's now or in the summer, i'd get rid of Pepe Reina, i think he's and absolute liability

ReDDaZ

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:05:56
My trust in BR is waining a little due to his strange tactics, team selection and choice of substitutions however I am still behind him but and it's quite a big but, can anyone tell me why I'm behind him?
He has no pedigree, he has little experience and he talks like a second hand car salesman so I'm not sure why any of us are actually so sure he's going to be this great manager.
Where's the evidence?

Think lots of us are feeling the same way , why did suso play , we all just knew that stoke would be too big and strong for him , I would have put in an extra player at the back , like wisdom or coates , ha we just knew what they were going to do , its not a big secret , and they pushed up , when we had the ball at the back , we were very nervous , as soon as they scored the first goal , the writing was on the wall
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 16:04:44
Before I get started let me make it perfectly clear that Liverpool Football Club is the love of my life and I want for nothing else than to see Liverpool return to the dazzling heights of European football.

We have been absolutely trash since Graeme Souness took over the reigns , you could however argue we've won some F.A cups , League cups , Champions league etcetera during that period however we haven't had a top level of consistency since the 70's and 80's.

We've been let down appallingly by our hierarchy for countless years , when the Premier league was first released in 1992 we should of took advantage of this (sponsorships worldwide , stadium capacity increase) as we was clearly the biggest team in England at the time.

We however failed to pounce onto our chances , which led us onto the path to which we are now at ,It takes years of hard work and graft to get to the top which we've witnessed as a club but only one vital mistake to fall which we have unfortunately executed.

Brendan , FSG have a plan they have a vision that we must all embrace,they want us to play attractive attacking possession based football that we all crave, however it's going to be a long road until
we hit the dazzling heights of English and European once more, we can however take comfort from past experiences by knowing that if we all stick together and support everyone involved with our beloved club then we will achieve our objective.

Another subject I want too bring up is something which may anger some fans and make you question my lack of "support" , however as I've previously stated all I want is for my team to dominate European football once more. I seriously think a vast majority of our first team players commitment to the cause needs to be seriously questioned : Reina , Skrtel , Enrique , Johnson , Allen , Cole , Downing (Albeit he's improved a lot recently but we will keep it up on a consistent level?) , I'd rather Brendan field a team of Suarez , Agger , Lucas , Suso and Sterling with the other spots being given to the U21's led by Inglethorpe , I'd rather witness my beloved Liverpool to win , Loose or Draw with passion , fight and dignity rather than get turned over by Aston Villa 3-1 at Anfield with no passion nor fight for the shirt.

Too many of our so called senior players are treating our club as if it's Butlins , they're being paid a weekly wage which is considerably more than the average UK yearly wage, and they're unable to run out onto one of the worlds most famous football grounds in front of 44,000 reds and show any fight nor passion for the shirt or us the fans.

They need to realise that they haven't got a god forbidden right to play for Liverpool Football Club it's a privilege!

Lets give Rodgers the support and time he needs.

Plymouth Red.

I agree that the club didn't make the most of the transition from the Football League to the PL, it's pretty well established by this stage. But that's done and dusted.

As for players' committment to the cause. I think you're being grossly unfair on Jonno, Skrtel and Enrique, I can't fault any of them this season. And it's an awfully big assumption that U21s will show more passion and fight just because they're U21 players. Hell, half of them will probably think they've 'made it' just because they're in the first team for a few games and swan around the pitch like their rubbishe doesn't smell.

And fielding only three senior players (Suso and Sterling aren't senior players) would be a very good way to get relegated.

I'm not going to criticise you for lack of support. I'm going to criticise you for lack of realism.

- Something Red -

Fantastic post there lad

Decent post - but why would God 'forbid' the right to play etc etc

Puzzled

Something red , Jonno , Enrique and the rest that I mentioned loose possession and hardly ever push themselves to win it back , they should be busting there guts to win the ball back the minute they loose it.

They stroll out onto the pitch with there massive ego's put no fight or passion into there display , if they loose they go back to there families, astonishing mansions, fast cars, whilst the majority of the fans who've paid to go and watch the game have to graft hard for another week to enable them to watch the bunch of overpaid egotistic, imbeciles again.

I've had enough we've bought ridiculous overpaid players for the last 20 years , the reason I said I'd rather see the U21's fielded is because I'd rather watch my team win , loose or draw with passion , fight and dignity instead of getting turned over at Anfield 3-1 by Aston Villa and other mediocre teams no disrespect intended to the respective teams.

Plymouth Red.

Good post , but you did not get it all right , when we dont score early on , some of the team lose heart big time , and heads go down , we need more players , with more bite , more passion , think of the younger Stevie G , emlyn Hughes etc , they will drive us on , BR needs to replace any player who is holding us back .
redforever .

Plymouth,

1) If passion and committment are enough, then we could win the league by picking a team from the local park. If we do what you're saying and drop most of our first team, we will get turned over by 'mediocre sides' at Anfield far more often.

We probably have one of the better groups of young players in the league atm, and I reckon two of our U21 players are good enough for regular PL duty at the moment: Wisdom and Sterling. Most of the others (Suso, Robinson etc.) will get there, but they need time and nuturing, not to be dropped straight in and judged by a load of people who'll probably jump all over them for a bad game or two. With a team of Suarez, Lucas, Agger + kids, we would get destroyed (incidentally, you didn't mention Carra, easily the most committed player we have). And if you think confidence, passion, committment and 'fight' will ooze from every pore of players in a team that's constantly losing, then you're kidding yourself.

2) Too much money and ego in football is not something that any one club can fight by itself. Unless FIFA imposes a global salary cap and then enforces it, Liverpool FC, and us, the fans of Liverpool FC, are as stuck with this as nearly every football fan. Unless the club decide to jack in the professional game altogether.

- Something Red -

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:35:11
Modern Football is about 2 things: results and money.

Brendan needs to grasp this concept particularly the results.

It's all very well producing a dossier and having a pure football philosophy, but to implement it takes time.
He has tried to implement it too quickly, revolution not evolution, and that doesn't work.

In order to buy yourself time to implement a philosophy, you need results. Pure and simple results.
Our first team should be playing result based football. The younger players should be being drilled in Bren's longer term philosophy.

Too much change to a low on confidence inexperienced team leads to poor performances and poor results, leading to worse confidence and supporter unrest.

You've jumped in too quickly Bren, get the results first, then slowly change the style.

Why?

If he went for results this season and didn't hit top 4, then surely that is exactly the same as us changing the style and not hitting top 4.

Except with the first option, you aren't moving forward. You are standing still.

BR is bad at both, with the money & playing football, slow and boring just passing with no intended. I will like to see Sami hypia as lfc manager

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:34:38
This season was always going to be a write of, the fans need to show support. This is Brendens second season in the PL, not to mention Assaidis and Sahins debut. Furthermore Suso, Sterling, Shelvey and Wisdon are getting valuable game time. Be honest how many of you were crying out for the likes of Suso and Sterling to be promoted to the first team, now many of you are far to critical just because they have a few bad games. The team needs to be given time.

SUB

It`s not all about manager and players first season though. It`s about the manager playing in the right way. Brendan thinks this pass sideways , backwards and back again is the be all and end all and if Rodgers doesen`t start seeing his way is not working with our current squad, Backwards will be the only way we will go. Brendan needs a plan b But don`t hold your breath on that one. He also needs help from better coaches and that we don`t have right now

AndyKophead.

This season was always going to be a write of

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Only in the mind of the few simpletons ..
I can assure you the owners would 've screamed of horror if someone asked them to write a whole season off .. I wonder if Brendan would write a year's wages off.

Roy

Roy your clueless we got a young squad that is still adapting to the new style of play,you cant expect us to be world beaters, Brendens not Houdini

Roy your clueless we got a young squad that is still adapting to the new style of play,you cant expect us to be world beaters, Brendens not Houdini

========================

If I am clueless then there is really no hope for the owners ..
I would expect top 6 to 8 finish I think we have a squad very capable of doing that .. the owners want top 4 .. so if you calling me clueless what would you call the owners ..

Roy

"Adapting to a new style" even if this was true you would think after 30 games or so you would be getting it right?

The Irish Rover

Yes the owners want top four, don't we all?, but they know its highly unlickey it will happen this season. The owners have been supportive, they know it will take time. I for one believe we are in good hands with Brenden in charge

SUB

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:34:00
fsg should get rid of this manager before he does anymore damage.he brings in allen and borini nowhere near the standered required for the top six very small time manager with a very big ego.a new man in carol back couple of good signings and play to our strenghs insted of boring tika taka rubbish.in brendan i and many others do not trust.
tonywebbo

Bring Carroll back?
Oh dear

Chris in Tamworth

Tonywebbo, you have absolutely no idea. For a start, you can't even spell!
You want FSG to sack the manager ? What a stupid thing to say. BR is a vert talented young manager who in time, will bring the success we crave
You want Carroll back plus a couple of signings. What couple of players do you suggest ? Andy Carroll isn't the answer to our problems, Dan Sturridge is.....1 or 2 more besides him and we will be challenging - FACT
If you truely support this great club, get behind the idea instead of slagging it off. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, and the manager needs time and backing

If you think Carroll is the answer - what the hell was the question?
Puzzled

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:31:36
our centre backs aint up to it we are leaking goals because of them at the minute we shud of sold agger to city wen we had the chance. many positons need fresh players keeper(butland),winger(ince), sfriker(ds) and c/backs.
rodgers has to take the blame his record must now be worse than kennys. he brought in allen b4 a striker(dempsey) which evry1 new was priority and let carrol go(and if he didnt want andy why give west ham an option to send him bk?he shud of sold or if they stay up they buy, the deal we have leaves us with th short straw again! ) and as 4 shelvey if he is gerrards long term replacement we will be in th brown stuff .......redman matt

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:31:32
Question for ED02. Do you believe FSG will be exploring the idea of life after Rodgers?(With more experienced managers and more successful managers avialable like Mark Hughs and Roberto Di Mateao) {Ed002's Note - I would not think there is much chance of Hughes joining Liverpool and Di Matteo has been speaking to another club, but no doubt FSG are aware of the results and the way things are going. I would not think there is much chance of Rodgers leaving before the season ends and then perhaps a review of where the club is will be carried out. I would not be at all surprised to see someone else come in on the football side to help out.}

Hughes and Di Mateo?
Oh dear

Chris in Tamworth

Brendan Rodgers?

Oh dear.

They will leave the decision process till late. Then suddenly sack Rodgers without a well thought out replacement.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:30:15
Man u gotta respect united for their drive determination and never die spirit. if only we could show an ounce of it, we play like we cant wait to get back in the showers, the way we play atm reminds me of how england play not in terms ov style but lack ov interest and heart. i dont think brendans influence is working and tika taka is not the liverpool way and tbh i dont think its the premier league way, look at wenger the way he has been tryin to employ his style at arsenal for years and has not got far. to be great you need to be able to play every way in prem, united and city can play the passing game, the long ball game, play with width and most of all they fight hard and get the luck. brendan needs to change it or go

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:27:17
I think Henderson shouldve started yesterdays game in place of shelvey or suso. I didn't understande BR's thinking playing Suso against stoke, nor do i know why BR keeps playing him on the wing because hes not quick enough and cannot use his vision to influence the game out there.

For me Henderson has earned himself a starting place. His last few performances have been much improved and he gives us some bite in the midfield which i think we are lacking. He also makes runs from midfield, something which we are in need of when suarez drops deep and right now he is the only one making them frequently, Gerrard does (Fulham) but his age is starting to tell and he cannot make the same runs he used to.

I still think Downing needs to go, yes he played well last week but he gets lost in games and when he does get on the ball he usually wastes it.

Would love to know what you lot think?

JC

Yes agree , Hendo should have started , just cant see why suso played , or that shelvey was not subbed , or why we did not have an extra man at the back , more so when stoke had a set piece , we got our tactics wrong , again .
redforever

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:21:00
Ed002 is Stevie Nicol's agent

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:08:38
I felt yesterday the team looked a little lightweigh to the stoke team. Skrtl was really poor and i believe sterling and suso will need to grow a little before they make it in ths league. I have no issues with the result yesterday just that the team gained vital experience that this league isnt just about quick attacking football. There is also the ugly side of football in this league and thats the stokes and the westhams of this world.

we dealt the west ham well at upton park but maybe stoke was just a step to far for this young team. Yesterday was a prime example of why we needed a andy carrol type player on the bench to come on and give us another option if plan A isnt working. But we are a long way off from being the team of 2008. But we will get there.

Scouse Ben

I totally agree with you, finally a Liverpool fan who ain't under no illusions and understands its going to take time to rebuild the the team. We are heading in the right direction Rodgers is the right man to take us forward we need to support him and give him time to build the right team he wants.

Scouse1892

I would say that playing Suso was a mistake...His confidence would have taken a battering...

Plus Stoke were physically very imposing and we could not deal with that side of the game....

But then I doubt if a team like Barcelona, Liverpool's idol team currently, would have handled them very well.....

So we should just move on....

LiverBird

 

 

27 Dec 2012 15:06:05
We as a club have been in a transition since Benitez left. we have been trying to get things together in order to give ourselves the final push forward. People who have been in as manager have never had a plan, just a expectation. Now rodgers has come in with a Plan to obtain the expectation. We all know it is going to take time and that we are a business not a billionaires toy. We will get where we want to be but it will take time. Poor results against "lesser" teams are frustrating but sometimes you have to take a step back in order to progress. Rodgers and FSG need 3 transfer windows in order to bring in 6-8 players to build around the spine that we already have. We have to believe in the team and believe in the manager. He is not fillling a gap he is here to stay so instead of having a go... get behind the team. Anfield is silent these days... players need to be lifted by our support no feel like its a training match... so instead of wasting your time sitting behind your computers moaning... stand up and cheer on at your next match and get behind the team.

Murph

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:59:03
Hi Eds and fellow reds
It's strange reading fans' comments about midtable, tom ince, sturridge, survival...We are Liverpool FC!

BR 'MUST' rethink his 'SYSTEM' or we will finish midtable with no stars wanting to join us next year and no european football. I'm not being pessimistic, my friends. We run so hot and cold, it's a joke! BR is a knowledgable coach so he MUST see this or we're in big trouble. Our approach is so slow it's like pulling teeth! We mess about with so many sideway or pointless passes that the slowest defence in the world would have time to reorganise! Guys, we dominated Stoke home and away last year and they were lucky on all occassions not be thrashed! Can you HONESTLY say we have improved? Can you answer why, where and how? I'm a fan whatever happens. I love Liverpool even if they play in the conference but questions have to be answered. Total and utter support with no right to question should not be acceptable, specially at Liverpool!
I do not support BR's system! Is he reinventing football; a KK asked? Last night we cried out for Andy Carroll to compete with the Stoke giants! But he's gone, he went before the season started! What kind of system is this then, tippy tappy Barcelona style? Come on fellow reds!! Suso, as good as he is going to be, was bullied all through the match...there was a lot wrong last night. We blame defenders but where was the midfield, or support for Suarez. Too many stray passes and being caught all the time! I've never known a liverpool team with such a soft underbelly! Never!! BR must address these, he's the coach, the boss and as fans we have a right to question and voice our concerns. THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE ANTI-FANS OR ANTI-CLUB!
I have a new year wish (like all lfc fans) for our great club, with BR in charge!
Let's hope last night was a msitake to be forgotten...
Happy new Year fellow reds, a better year, good health and happiness to us all...

Iranred in London

Take a break....

We are not in such a bad situation :)

LiverBird

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:52:43
i find it unbelievable and disheartening that our fans are slating BR.. i fully back him.. given the squad we have.. how he s managed us to 8th from the start we had is in itself incredible.. give this man 2 yrs.. we ll be competing at the highest level for every top trophy!
balaji raman

Blind faith mate.

We had a great squad last seasen< we was battering teams,we just culdent score, all we needed was a proven goal scorer,uor defence was one of the best on premier leage.so stop making excusis for brandan.hi just dont have a clu

On what evidence have you that br will get us to the top....? only going one way and thats backwards. utd in a couple weeks that could be embarrasing.

You will all eat your words soon! call it blind faith or wtv.. you will see..

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:50:37
Sorry but that was Rodgers fault for that defeat yesterday. Rodgers tactics were woeful. The team had no discipline stoke were finding space everywhere to play in. The defence and midfield to far apart attacking play to slow. Subs he made were all wrong took Lucas off left shelves on?no plan b. For all the possession we had we never looked in control of the game. pulis got his tactics spot on we were second best all over the field. Never seen a Liverpool side so open at the back as I have this season.

You are a disgrace it was not Rodgers fault at all. Liverpool FC don't need fans like you. If you don't want to get behind the manager or team go and support someone like united or arsenal.

Results are the responsibility of the manager. End of story.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:48:53
It's all moving in a seemingly inevitable and unstoppable, yet slow glacier-like pace, towards one thing :
the Liverpool manager's job will become untouchable but for one man - Rafa Benitez.

This is not a wish, or a 'Brendan Out' rant.
But an observation, which is surely gonna happen in due course.
The Juicer

27 dec 2012 15:48:27
hey juicer you are 100% correct. when we play rafas chelsea next i can see us getting a wooping and rafa will be rubbing his hands together in delight. this will prove to fsg that they backed the wrong manager. and with rafa being in charge to the end of the season i can see a change of manager. then rafalution will be back were it rightly belongs.

Youve had too much juice already pal! rafa started the downfall of our great club when he sold alonso. or did you forget that? he became an egotistical political animal and forgot about what was going on on the pitch! will never forget the blackburn game when hodgson was sacked and half the fans started shouting for rafa back and ghe rest going mad saying that he started it! he spent fortunes and never msnaged to win the title. although having said that he did win champs league which i will never forget

ian the red

FSG got it wrong ? Why, they should have got Rafa because he's doing well at a club that spent millions in the summer ?
Rafa had his time, and wouldn't do any different with this current Liverpool squad, in fact i'd go as far to say we would be in the bottom 3 now with him in charge, because lets face it, the majority of his signings were shocking!
We have one of the youngest, most talented teams in the prem, and with a few additions and time, will be back up there
Rafa's gone, get over it, just like he will be gone from Chelsea come the end of the season

ReDDaZ

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:54:01
Sometimes you have to change tactics depending who and where your playing.hendo should've played as playing thug athletic yesterday instead of suso.Brendan appears to stand clueless whistling.Now I say appears cos I don't know.Does anyone have an insight in the man? does he blow his top?,or what.because we can all think of certain managers who players be scared to face after bottling like that.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:47:37
All I'm saying lads is Daniel sturridge is top scorer for liverpools top scorer on FIFA 13. When we sign him and ince we will climb table y.n.w.a and sacking Brendan Rodgers is not the answer. {Ed002's Note - Even with Super Stevie Nicol waiting in the wings?}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:35:07
27 Dec 2012 08:58:39
A rumour that seems to be gathering pace is Kelly is stalling over a new contract. lack of 1st team (I know injuries have hampered this also) & a couple of other things unsubstantiated apparantly. With Man U waiting in the wings.

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They're not just waiting, they have enquired and Kelly wants to go. It is a travesty that we have never utilised him at centre half. The lads 6 foot 2 and played at full back it's a joke, small wonder he's injury prone his physique isn't right for the twist and turn demands at full back, different weight distribution concept for the position. Whiskey nose is no fool, he'll play him at centre half and make him a better player and he won't be as injury prone in his natural position.

Ozone

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:35:01
heard a rumour last night after the game that xabi alonso is unhappy at madrid and wants to come back to Liverpool. Eds, could u shed any light on this to see whether it is true or not. Hope it is.
cheers {Ed002's Note - I have no idea if he is happy or not but I would not expect him to return to Liverpool in January. I think the club will look to move on from Mascherano, Torres, Alonso and all of the others people seem to want back.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:33:45
hi eds what is happening with big andy carroll is he coming back in the transfer window as west ham dont need him anymore or is newcastle going to do a bit of business with im leave way with ba plus cash

trigger61 {Ed002's Note - He is on a season long loan.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:33:32
Brenden has it right "Consistancy" That is what we need. How can a team who played so well last week, play so badly yesterday, and its got nothing to do with Stoke playing well. If we had played yesterday the way we played against Fulham, then Stoke would have been brushed aside just as easily. No blame can be levelled at Brenden, he gave the team the tools, they are just not using them correctly. When we get consistant we will be successful. "Work in Progress".

Sooty

?How long is this ' work in progress' going to take

The clues in the title genius.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:31:13
Br is a work in progress, and is really nice, i mean he is giving the struggling teams charity points, villa will look back at this and say it was why they weren't relegated.
Ali G indahouse

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:14:08
I am 100& behind Mr Rodgers and I'm appalled to once again see these awful posts from fans calling for his head.

Here is a question for all these people. If you were in a position of power at Liverpool FC and sacked Brendan now, who would you replace him with ?
I'm intrigued as to what these responses say.

Hans

Sorry that should read : 100%

Hans

I'm not sure if the answer is to appoint a new manager, or to take a good hard look at the coaching staff.

Good for you Hans, well done pal. Villas Boas, Houghton, Rafa, Laudrup, Clarke, Rednapp and an endless list of proven foreign managers.

Instead we're going to have to endure Rodgers vision of footballing purity utilising lemonade players for champagne football. Forget the 'water carriers', you know your Whelans, Souness, Mcmahons, Houghtons, Hughes etc., we don't need the likes anymore, possession footballs the way forward, it's got to be because that's what it says in his dossier. Not too worry I'm sure it will all come good when he gets the players he wants.! Repent fellow reds, we've had it.

Ozone

Big fan of mr benitez

With his little experience dont you think that its a possibility that the club is just to big for him at this time? Getting beat or drawing regularly cant be eay to watch and as head of the team, he is responsible.
If we finish below 8th then have we improved?If we face relegation battle then should we still support our manager?

Hans i admire your loyalty but question your judgement

Well Hans, he should never have been appointed in the first place, as he lacks the experience a big club like LFC needs.
Check out his work history, its very sketchy at best, no long term 'stays', that should have been the main clue for FSG.
But this was FSG's decision, so they are remaining relatively quiet, as the failings of BR, highlights their own failings as owners.
As owners, they need to decide to get actively involved, or remain distant and aloof.
Its time for them to act, NOW!!.

KK was supposedly appointed to stabilize the club, looks like that has all 'gone up in smoke'.

From what I've read in posts on this site especially today and yesterday, it seems like many fans want immediate success which is something unattainable when managers are changed as frequently as we have. The fact is that we are recovering even now from the day Rafa was sacked. Hodgson was appointed by the former owners based on his success at Fulham. He was a man unwanted by the masses, when he was sacked KK came in and did a great job until the summer but that's where it should've stopped. He clearly wasn't FSG's man as he didn't fit their model but yet he was given millions of money, that was wasted on British talent.

This summer, Rodgers was the best fit for the job at this time, people who want big name managers must realise they wont be attracted to a club without CL football so appointing a young manager with young players was the best and right choice. This will take time, years probably but if your'e a fan then you'll stick it out.

Hans (Sorry for length)

Roberto Martinez.

1) knows how to build a team
2) years of defying the odds and keeping Wigan up
3) entertaining football
4) Premiership experience.
5) Makes changes when team is struggling.

I honestly can't see why FSG chose Rodgers over Martinez. Perhaps they didn't.

Hans u got it wrong the malority didnt want rogers at all most wanted rafa or van gaol

 

 

27 Dec 2012 14:10:28
hi edoo2 read a couple of ur reposts and i have to agree a new manager is put in place to improve the teamm and get results obviuosly cause the last manager wasnt. there is no such thing as transition if he isnt inproving on previous regimes then surley he isnt the right man is this ur thoughts or have i misread in to ur posts cheers mike {Ed002's Note - It is a results driven business. Either the manager performs or is discarded like a used prophylactic.}

Ed thanks now I have that image stuck in my head lol

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:55:04
Liverpool were 3-0 down to Milan in the Champs League Final 2005. I imagine that all the moaners and doom merchants were enjoying some light entertainment on another tv channel when the miracle occurred.Maybe this is the reason they are so unreasonable. The guilt, getting to them.
Posters also saying they have had enough, well good bye you will not be missed.
Imagine that some person or persons actually made threats against the people who saved the club from the brink of extinction. It sickens me that these people mascarade as pool fans.
There is more noise in an undertakers than Anfield on most occassions this season, that is not good enough. If you are lucky enough to be watching the redmen in Anfield embrace the fact that people would give anything to be there to support the boys.
The realistic fans know that this season and next will bring good times and unfortunately games like last night. Those fans will realise that we do not have devine right to win games. The club is slowly moving forward, if the pace is too slow either do one, or at least do not call for the heads of the owners, management and the players every time we lose. The reactions are truly rediculous, YOU are making a laughing stock out of us.
Sorry for rant and long post ed's, happy new year. Thank you again for great site.
Meath Red

No your the laughing stock accepting this.do likes of you want to win titles again.? The longer mediocraty is accepted as ok by mugs like you,the longer it continues.

How can u compare that game, to the massive shortcomings of the entire season to date.

LFC have played more than 30 games so far, how many has BR actually won.
If you think the win ratio is satisfactory, then sad to say, you have absolutely no idea at all.

I was in Istanbul, trying to sing at half time with no voice left.

That night the manager changed tactics at half time and accepted he'd set the team up wrong.
After the change the captain inspired us to succeed.

I reserve the right to criticise Brendan's obvious errors and awful results.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:55:01
The second Tom ince bid has been accepted by Blackpool

LFC93

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:48:26
I can't believe that a website presenter David Jones actually questioned our penalty last night suggesting Suarez could have stayed on his feet. It was a blatant penalty.

No I see his point, if you watch it closely Suarez goes down unnecessarily, the fall wasn't consistent with the way the shirt was being pulled. Nonetheless, the shirt pulling meant a stone wall penalty.

Ozone

It does matter, we lost 3-1.

Adam

*Doesn't

Adam

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:47:45
FSG....when you employ an inexperienced mid-table manager who has not experienced any kind of success or handled a club with the expectations of LFC this is what you get........mid-table average team with no fight,spirit or class.

Tony pulis is a mid table manager stoke are a mid table team they showed spirit & fight,granted they have no class your argument defeats itself

Bill Shankly wouldn't have lasted long with you in charge then ?

Rodgers playing experience :- Witney Town.

Rodgers playing experience? What's that got to do with anything? Is Roy Keane a good manager? Diego Maradona? How about Rafa's playing experience? Mourinho's? Fool.

SpanishChris

Actually, the point of the original poster is 100% correct.
It shows that BR is not even a mid-table manager, but something more akin to 'basement'.
Face it, he is C*AP!!!!!!!.

FSG chose Rodgers over Van Gaal, madness!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:30:31
How poor was last night! Both centre backs were poor in the air. We are gash off the ball and that was one element to our game br should have had sewn up by now.

Randy Watson

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:36:59
The glaringly obvious problem last night was not the way we play rather the way we defend. The defending was awful simple as. We controlled the first half of the game but still we are unable to turn that dominance into tangible results on the pitch. Agger has earned our support but he wasnt good enough last night and I just hope these players are not too cosy with their new contracts to have lost the key element which was missing last evening, that of hunger. Hunger for the shirt, hunger for the cause and hunger to be better than your opponent. As a team we haven't yet learned how to earn the three points, we seem to be blowing too much smoke up each others ar*es to have realised how and what really matters, hard work! Stoke outworked Liverpool, as supporters we can never be happy about that and as representatives of the shirt the players shouldnt be either. As a footnote Shelvey playing behind the striker will never work in my opinion. He looks like a lost soul there. If hes to be on the pitch at least switch him with Gerrard it couldnt be any worse than what we witnessed in the 2nd half last night, could it?
Ciario80

Why shelvey plays there instead of suso i will never understand. if suso is going to have a chance at developing into a silva type player, and i think there is every chance that he will get there with the right coaching, he needs to be played centrally. is playing at least two players out of position every game a central part of rodgers' footballing philosophy or something? if it's not downing at left back and enrique on the left wing, then it's shelvey in the hole and suso on the left or right....

Yes I agree Suso has to play centrally he is not a winger. H e played there aginst Anzhi and looked excellent as he can link (with Suarez) as well as play that killer pass. Hes too restricted on the wing. I have faith in Rodgers but to continually play Shelvey in the No.10 role makes me worry. It should be glaringly obvious he cannot and should not be tasked with opening up defenses that high up the pitch. He lacks the movement and guile to be effective there. To be brutally honest he doesnt warrant his place in the team at the minute.
Ciario80

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:34:07
What would it take for FSG to sack Rodgers?

Bear in mind, Hodgson was sacked after 20 poor games, Kenny was sacked after 19 poor games and Rodgers has had 19 poor games.

I can honestly see us only picking up 1 win in our next 6 games.

Is Bren staring down the barrel?

FSG won't sack Rogers unless we're in the relegation battle in April, and this season there are 4 other teams who are terrible - Reading, Southampton, Villa & QPR - they'll be contesting that dogfight. Love him, or loathe him, he's here for a while yet!. As I said below, he needs to toughen his stance with the players and throw a few h**ks into them now and again. They need to be scared to face him after a bad performance.

Digger

I think FSG are more embarassed by their own shortcomings as owners.
They were 'conned' by a con artist.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:32:55
Most years. After Christmas, one team begins to drop like a stone. Those that struggled, improve a bit. But one team dives. Make a New Year wish it isn't Liverpool.

Ref

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:31:19
Simple training exercise for Bren.

Every other pass has to be forward or it's a free kick.

That's part of our problem. We p**s about with the ball for ages whilst the opposition get re-organised and we get progressively more disjointed in our shape. Then we lose the ball and the opposition waltz through us like we're statues.

If you're going to have possession, you have to use it to stretch the opposition, not tire yourselves out and lose direction.

Spot on mate.

Ozone

I agree with you there mate

murphy1987

Yea but we don't have the right players to play the way BR wants. I love the way you guys think you know better - what did you do your FA coaching level 1 badge 15 years ago?

Fowler99

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:30:26
This was why he failed at reading and he would fail here..sticking with his dumb philosophy without the right personnel.this team was far better than this last season we were not scoring but weren't conceding goals like a relegation team either

A good manager can get us winning games,not passing in our half like headless chickens.but no the rodgers brigade would come here and support him blindly. Kenny didn't buy the right players last year but stoke never dominated us this way we even went there and got a win in the carlin cup. Rodgers can continue charming the press rather than improve our league position
Blah blah we have the youngest team,we have talents for the future go ask wenger where that got him??you think they would stay loyal when big clubs come calling and we keep languishing in midtable
This team can do better than this no excuse for brendan..okay how has the 30million he spent improved our squad??do you think if he spent well we would be this way.

Yeah kenny was so poor last season he took us to two finals and 8th in the league..rodgers is so good that he has the same points tally with hodgson at this stage.

Most of you are just plain dumb,rodgers sold you on that tiki tak crap and most people bought it,am sure if brendan had a direct style like big sam then we would you would all be saying rodgers out!!
You need to watch liverpool of old and see rodgers is just talking crap we have been playing like this for years,he only introduced his own negative style of having more possession without making it count

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:58:54
Eds can you move that dell advert on the mobile site its blocking the send text button {Ed002's Note - If you shake your phone you will find it will go away.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:19:17
A lot of moaning going on, myself included, but these type of performances have been happening for the last 3 years under 4 managers. So, you have to look at the players and not the managers, right?

If you take the core of the team (Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez) I think the desire is there to play well for Liverpool. So, that only leaves quality...and I don't think that's there for all those players. We could easily lose Reina, Skrtel & Gerrard (+ probably Agger too if push came to shove) and get similar results as we are at the moment with younger, lower earning players.

If we're sticking with Rodgers then it's time to rebuild with Suarez, Lucas, Sterling & Suso in mind. The majority of other players have been underperforming for years.

-Shane.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:08:15
30 m spend in the summer and no progress.
Let Andy dirk maxi and bellers go without replacements .
Linked with rubbish again today.
Worst startalmost in our history.
Important beginning to think Liverpool fc is to big for both brendan rodgers and fenway .
Ps i don't get any pleasure in writing this i pray that time will prove me wrong.
Your thoughts please.
Happy new new.
Marker.

Here we go again. lose a game and off they go. leave us alone will you.
robbie

Lose another game you mean.

Goa

Give it at rest Robbie and read Markers post, we haven't just lost a game, it's the worst start in our history and the situations not going to get any better. Would you rather have Spearing, Adam, Kuyt, Maxi and another £32 mill for this transfer window or Assiadi, Borini, Sahin and Allen?

It's not simply the fact that we lose, it's the fact that we keep losing for precisely the same reasons. it's sickening how exposed we are when we lose possession in the opposing half, it's sickening how hapless the team are when playing predictable long ball teams that play robust, physical football. we can whine all day long about how they are anti-footballing teams, etcetera etcetera, but this is the premier league, this is how a good many english teams have played for generations, and if rodgers doesn't come down from the clouds soon and realize that his team needs to be able to play with grit as well as grace, then we are well and truly doomed.

i am as big a believer in rodgers as anybody else, but after last night's display of total tactical naivete, compounded by his assurances before the game that liverpool would not fall to pieces against a team as direct and aggressive as stoke, you have to wonder if we will get anywhere at all this season, especially if rodgers insists on buying players who can play the same 'system' that has seen us ship goals left, right and centre. to be honest, i have never seen a more fragile liverpool team in my life, every time the other team starts running at our defence i just cross my fingers and hope. now, i don't recall ever having experienced this sort of trepidation in all my years as a liverpool fan. have you?

can it be that rodgers' team talk at the end of the game is identical to the speech that he gives to the press at the end of the game, that everybody played marvelously, but need to be just a 'wee bit more clinical' in front of goal? i very much appreciate the fact that he has a vision and that he has the determination to implement it, but the team plays like keeping a clean sheet is the last of its worries, and rodgers has made it clear that no-nonsense, hardworking and BALLWINNING players like spearing and kuyt have no place in the team....

oh yeah, how many times did reina win the golden glove again?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 13:07:40
I am wondering whether we should move towards far lower wages but with massive bonuses for wins, league points, each round of cup competitions, goals scored, clean sheets etc etc. If they want big money, all they have to do is keep winning. I seem to recall that that was the 'Liverpool way' until some time in the mid-80's. RED LENIN

A symptom of football in PL footie in general. In fact TV sport in general. Its very hard to motivate young millionaires, who have it all come win or lose. I
'm not bitter ;) but I wish someone could wind the clock back make it more results oriented.

Goa

Unfortunately it would have to be a world wide wage cap which is illegal.

Unless all clubs agree then there will always be the City, Chavski. Utd, PSG, types who will inflate the market.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:54:17
question for the eds - why there is no business between Liverpool & everton? And Beetween mersyside derby & Manchester vs Liverpool which is the most fierce rivalry for your perspective? I am from india (kolkata).so i cannot feel this rivalry in hand. if you can shed some light on this topic i will be greatfull.

Somnath {Ed052's Note - There's no business becuase at the minute Liverpool dont want any Everton players and vice versa. And its hard for players to move accross due to stick from fans}

Plenty of players have crossed Stanley Park over the years. Sheedy, Beardsley, Ablett, Harper, Xavier, Barmby just in recent decades. It''s ll down to which team needs what available player and what that player wants to do. RED LENIN

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:48:53
I agree we should give Brendan Rogers time - we don't want to go down the chelsea route of changing our managers more often the Jim Royle changes his vest, but I felt last night he was lost - he didn't know what to do. We were 2 goals down and he takes Lucas off and puts Henerson on further forward than Gerrard.Shelvey,for all his effort was contributing nothing. Had he been taken off and Gerrard moved forward to support Luis we might have made a better fist of it. Henderson could well have come on but to replace Gerrard alongside Lucas . Gerrard is probably the only player we've got who can rescue a lost cause but he can't do it from our half. A manager's job is to get the best out of each player for the good of the team - I don't think Mr. Rogers is currently making best use of Gerrard.

Lucas isn't playing well, truth be told all of our midfield have struggled against pace and power.
Les {Ed052's Note - Lucas is playing well. He has certainly improved us}

We don't want to go down the Chelsea route, what have they won since sacking Mourinho?

Premier league
FA cup
League cup
Champions league.

Forget that, we're doing much better!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:48:23
Is it really worth building a bigger stadium? To watch what? 15000 more sillient fans sitting there board!i can see the club is trying to be run properly but you can't get top 4 in this league with low waged players.just my opinion in which I have the right to have by the way!(an yes a low wage is still an excellent wage to us mere mortals)
Kp

What about spurs and to a lesser example arsanel KUMBER

Need a bigger stadium to fund the bigger wages.
Les

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:41:20
Eds fellow reds , hope you all had a good xmas, after watching the stoke game last night my concerns are that we look so light weight on the pitch .our attacking 5 player are to small and with sturridge maybe coming in and talk of the kid from Wigan it's not going to get any stronger .think we need more powerful players ,reminds me of arsenal play nice passing football but get knocked of the ball easy and can't diggin. . {Ed002's Note - That would be a "Dear Brendan, please sell the midfield and the forwards and buy some big kids" letter.}

Sturridge is 6ft 2 and strong so yes he will improve that

Ed 002 , just think gerrard ,carra use to give everything but now there to old ,but nobody else there .if you watch the under 21 s robbo and flano get stuck in and Coady .thats what needed

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:39:41
Give Sturridge a shirt with, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11. On the back. That will satisfy his attitude.

Ref

Excellent post...

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:35:50
Brendan Rogers always comes across as calm and measured in his post match comments, even though sometimes he must be fuming with the performance. Last night was the same. In some ways I respect his controlled analysis, but I hope he has a different mask inside the dressing room. At half time, yesterday he should have f**ked the players out of it for their meek performance - thrown boots, tea cups, and smashed the physio's table, because they needed reminding who they play for and what's required of an LFC player. They were out muscled, out thought and looked inept in possession - terrified to look up in case a Stoke player was running at them.
The players must be scared of facing Rogers after a poor performance. Why do you think man-ure are never beaten until the final whistle? They're scared sh*tless of fergie, thats why. We looked beaten after 30 mins yesterday and still looked beaten at the start of the second half.

I still think Brendan is the right man for the job, and providing the owners back him in the transfer market, we should be well positioned to compete for the title next year (not saying we'll win it). But he needs to be the boss, not just the manager.

Digger

Interesting reading until you said "compete for the title next year"

Are you insane? Can you see how far behind we are?

We have 25 points from 19 games and are 21 points behind!

That's more than a point a game behind!

The only title this lot will compete for on last nights performance is Miss World!

Good post digger.

Reusch.

I'd like to see us improve our movement off the ball. If we're to play this short passing game this is as important as passing itself. At times we act like the balls a hot potato.

Goa

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:31:40
Di santos? "You can't make this up ! Another ex chealsea reject, is BR trying to reunited with all his ex players, FSG will be stupid to give him money to spend"

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:21:14
Now I cannot sit here and say that I was happy or proud to watch the showing last night but I won't let it get me down. We have played the entire first half of the year with half our first team and half our reserve squad. It seems like each time we look like we're getting going we hit a snag. I think that with some quality moves in the winter window we can be right back in the thick of it. We need some serious quality in the final third and I think with the eminent arrival of Sturridge and return from injury of Borini (whom I rate highly) we'll be fairly strong up front. People slate Sturridge and think he's a selfish ball hog who doesn't offer much but in fact we need that poacher who just wants to score and I feel Sturridge is that guy. Now I feel our final piece of the puzzle with come in the form of a classy #10 style player who can really spray it around the park and break down those stingy park the bus type teams that have been our Achilles heel for years. If we can prize away say a Christian Erickson or someone of that mould I think we'll be in a strong position this year. My wish this year was to see us adapt to the new managers style of play and build into a force and come the end of the season I think we'll all be please with where we are as a squad. Again fellow reds fear not, it can only get better. what are your thoughts?

- Slim

1 thought:

No club plays it's first 11 every game. Those days are gone about 30 years ago. Too many excuses I'm afraid.

I understand that no club plays its first 11 every game but were digging into our youth teams and reserves to fill the first team squad due to us being thread bare.

- Slim

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:20:10
What is worrying is how badly we move. Football isn't all about individual possession; its about adapting and finding space. Our movement off the ball is terrible, both in terms of positioning to help receive passes when we have possession, and to intercept, tackle or pressurize the opposition, when we don't. We are not fluid or quick enough. Teams that play the high pressing game, put us under pressure, and to mix metaphors we are like rabbits in the headlights holding hot potatoes and inevitably make mistakes. Offensively when we get the ball in the opponent's penalty area, the build up is too slow and we are too predictable and easy to mark. In short we don't practice what BR preaches. In addition we lack motivation and flexible tactics. (If we'd had a big target man to throw on for the last 20 mins at least we could have tried something different and forced Stoke to react, but that's another story.) It pains me to be so negative but this is going on too long; there've been too many false dawns. There's no quick fix but if we're going to play this passing game it would be great to see some improvement with intelligent running off the ball. Surely that's basic coaching? It must be difficult to motivate a group of youngsters who materialistically have no needs but surely there must be some incentivisation strategy in the 300 page dossier for this, to make them work harder and run more? Movement is key. So is strength. We'd find it a lot easier to hold the ball if we used the state of the art gym facilities for more upper body conditioning and beefed up a bit. Look at how rugby players body shapes have changed in the last 20 years. Spend more time in the gym and less on the golf course perhaps. Get a grip, otherwise this season will be a disaster. If not, then buck has to stop...

GoLadz

Abso-bloomin-EXACTLY.

This is what Bren fails to realise.
He's believes in tiki without the taka. As we called it before Spain invented the wheel, he's got "pass" without the "move".

The longer you have the ball, the more chance you have of losing possession. So when in possession you have to move it up the pitch quickly before the opposition re-organises, pinches the ball and walks through your knackered team.

If you can't pass your way out of defence you have to leather it.

I think Rodgers needs to get on the training ground and force them that a minimum of every other pass HAS to be forward.

1 2 3 go mate,

I agree with you. it`s a pity more don`t agree

AndyKophead.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:13:51
Having carefully read most of the posts,I have the following humble submissions
1.The owners mean well for the club,if not for anything,but for the sake of their investments.
2.Brendan Rodgers is a very good manager .We ,fans, must understand that he is to implement the policies of the owners and not to get praises from the fans.
3.The fans must understand that quick fix is not working for us so,we need to adopt another method..So,a lot of patience is required from the fans.
4.LFC have many good players just that things have not gotten into the desired shape.However,we still need to add more quality which does not neccessarily mean high transfer fees or high wages
5.It is very unlikely that we will make top 4 this season..However,I still expect at least EUROPA league qualification.
Thank you for reading
Galaxy

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:05:14
Anyone ever watched a film called Moneyball staring Brad Pitt? It's a baseball movie but gives a little insight into our owners thinking on transfers during KD and DC's reign. Hope they' re not sticking by that way of thinking over transfers.

Les. {

Film is based on a true story and how the red socks built their World Series winning team.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:05:07
Didn't whisky nose nearly get sacked in his first season? Bet they are glad they didn't. Rome wasn't built in a day. Grow up, if we keep changing things they won't get better, it used to be said that we had the best, most football intelligent fans in the world nobody would say that now. We used to have a ground that everybody feared because of the atmosphere now only our own players fear it because its nearly as bad as highbury the growns when we lose the ball or make a mistake, we don't need critics we need SUPPORTERS. Were turning into snobs expecting to roll teams over and only buy players from teams above us, it's doing my head in! We are now a midtable team, get used to it. Away games against other midtable teams should be tough games, there's no feel good factor at home if we don't score early we all think here we go again and so do the players. Without sterling our attack is paceless Stoke could press as high as they wanted first half because there was no threat in behind. Thoughts please eds & fans alike.

Swampmonster {Ed002's Note - Sir Alex Ferguson is not a good example to use. What went on at Manchester United was half a lifetime ago and football has moved on considerably since then. You need to see managers as transient employees of a club, just like players. They are there to do a job - there is no lengthy period of transition. If it is not working out, like a bad bid of an apple you cut them out, discard them and move on.}

Brendon OUT then

Sir alex finished 2nd in his first full season for utd, we could only dream of that

Have you ever been to Rome - it is falling to bits and out dated
Ferguson came to united with 15 years of managerial experience and had won a European trophy and a league title with aberdeen - knew how to win

If the fans accept midtable mediocrity that is what they will get

There are 2 schools of thought
A) fight for the club and show passion
B) sit back silently and with ur eyes closed and hope someone makes it better

Our fans have got used to being in group b

To Ed002... That's a Chelsea fans view... Managers implement a philosophy, players don't They conduct it... Therefore I would say the two aren't the same and the manager needs time to bring his vision that he was recruited for to the table. Players are transient manager much less so! {Ed002's Note - Firstly it is nothing whatsoever to do with Chelsea. Is this just Liverpool that needs a couple of years everytime a manager changes for transition? Other clubs seem to manage just fine - Spurs, Chelsea, Swansea are coming on fine after changing this summer? It is simply naive to use transition as an excuse.}

Spot on Ed002.

Ed002. Even by your standards, your statements here are nonsense.

My god, you seem to see yourself as some king of oracle for 12-year old kids.

Swampmaster, just ignore him. He's a yank who knows as much about football as my missus, and she doesn't care about football at all btw.

BJH YNWA

ps - 'you need to see managers as transient emplo....' bluuuurghhh.

{Ed002's Note - Mourinho has been very successful changing clubs every two-to three years. Chelsea have had success for the past 10 years by changing manager when it doesn't work. Bayern Munich have been through 8 managers in the past 10 years. Inter Milan - 7 in the past 5 years. Dortmund - 5 managers in 10 years. Real Madrid 11 in 10 years. All of these clubs have achieved some level of success and when necessary have made changes. You can simply resort to ignorant abuse - such as referring to me as a "yank". I may as you suggest know nothing of football as you imply, but which of us is living in the past given the above and you expecting to see managers stay 25 years or more like Ferguson, or 15 years or more like Wenger. On the plus side you are supporting the Liverpool manager and it is refreshing to see someone willing to give him anoth 24 and a half years to get it right.}

I agree about those clubs but the major difference between us an them is their owners continually back em with money to spend, 1 big summer of spending and ours stop, maybe it's because of the new financial rules why ours didn't this summer... Or maybe they just don't have enough to splash on us and the red socks??
Les

Bjh
It looks like your wife might know more about football than you. The only thing that matters are results. Its not the 1980's.

The IrishRover

With all due respect to all of the above its the quality that the manager has to work with that can cost him his job and were a bit short on quality,Brendan needs the time to add the quality,spurs have there way of playing,Chelsea endless supply of money so could buy any player to play any style of football,Swansea they have there style implemented over the last 3 to 4 seasons they know there jobs. Me ill support the team with patience that's what we need

gee man

The majority seem to agree with me ed. Your attempt at at a defense did make me laugh though.

My favourite part is your using Real in the modern era as an example of a successful approach to running a club.

The (always intelligent. lol) Madrid fans were calling for the sackings of Capello and Mourinho before they delivered their respective titles, Real even sacked Capello after winning the league, helping to usher in an era of Barca dominance (which was only ended by Mourinho last season).

Tell Utd they're living in the past whilst they go in search of title no.20 in 2013 too, perhaps they should have sacked Fergie in those years they finished 3rd - and no offence intended, but apart from under Ancelotti, Chelsea have been pretty rubbish since Mourinho left.

Considering the amount of money CFC have spent/available, your system is hardly ideal.

Your jammy EC win no more papered over the cracks than Istanbul did with us either.

The likes of Fergie, Wenger and Moyes are not relics of the past either - they are actually managing now, and doing quite well. Are you trying to say that Utd are not successful NOW? That their success was in the past?

Please, gimme a break.

There is nothing to stop a manager staying at a club for a long time and being successful if all parties are happy with the arrangement.

A manager staying at one club for 25 years wasn't the norm in the 80's either you know. Don't gimme this 'the game has changed' claptrap in relation to this issue.

Also, in the case of Chelsea. The most successful spell you have had was when Mourinho was the boss for 3 years. Don't delude yourself into thinking you're glad he was sacked.

It is rare to see any of those other clubs you mentioned ever finishing outside the top 2 in their leagues. Spain and Germany are bit like Scotland in this regard. (In the case of Italy, match-fixing played it's part too)

Does it matter as much who is in charge when the competition have a budget of 10p and a packet of crisps?

In the case of Real, Inter and Chelsea though. Where Jose goes, Jose wins.

And don't even think that you have any logical justification for using 'Mourinho' as your defence!

You seem to think that 'just keep sacking people' is the way to go. If you really agree with Abramovich sacking Mourinho and Ancelotti, then good luck to you.

I wish they'd put you in charge!

He is Mourinho and I am his no.1 fan. There is only one Jose, and your kneejerk owners sacked him. You've won one league title since.

You're confusing yourself here! Stop backing up my arguments. lol.

I think we all know that having Mourinho as your manager brings success. Even you know that much about the game....

But you know.... maybe hanging on to such a manger when possible might be sensible.

No?

BJH YNWA

ps - my comments weren't abuse. I certainly don't resort to the insults and language you routinely dish out. I am not a child.

You need to grow up a little. Listen to me and you'll learn a bit about the game.

Also, to the Irish Rover - If you think it wasn't about results in the 80's, you fit my theory about 12-year olds perfectly.

{Ed002's Note - As you say I know nothing about football at all and I should learn from you, so it is not worth responding to your seemingly deluded ramblings. You obsession with Chelsea would be better served if you at least got some of the detail right - as an example, Mourinho was not sacked and by Chelsea. I withdraw the suggestion that you were being abusive when you used the word "yank" toward me - and just put it down to pig ignorance on your part.}

More ed002 nonsense btw. I forgot to mention this...

"Sir Alex Ferguson is not a good example to use. What went on at Manchester United was half a lifetime ago and football has moved on considerably since then."

Ed, maybe someone should tell you that what IS GOING on at Manchester Utd is STILL GOING ON.

Take a look at the league table if you don't believe me.

And seek help about your problem of inadequate understanding of tenses.

BJH YNWA (Capitalized for emphasis btw, you may struggle to keep up) {Ed002's Note - I imagine your blood pressure is getting right up there now as you frantically seek some further flaws in what I wrote. In respect of this latest example you have pulled out - the words I wrote "happened half a lifetime ago" etc. were in response to the original poster's statement "Didn't whisky nose nearly get sacked in his first season?" - which was making reference to 1986 - 26 years ago. You seem to be dragging the collective IQ of the Liverpool supports down at an alarming rate - it really is embarrassing when you start sharing such desperate posts as this. Perhaps your wife (who, as you say, like me knows nothing of football) could at least wipe some of that dribble from your mouth - or is that ectoplasm spewing out?} (No need of capitalisation for emphasis.)

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:04:51
I'm ashamed by nearly everyone on this page. It's clear that you do not understand what YNWA means and in that case you are no liverpool supporter! You say the team has no motivation but look at what everyone of its fans are saying about the players and the manager what our team needs right now more then ever is our support. I believe that many fans on this page don't want the team to succeed. If that is the case why are you fans? If the media slates them fans of other teams slates them what do you think it does to their moral if even their own fans slate them.

AndyKopLiverpool

Ok Mr Andy/kopLiverpool

You say you`re ashamed of most Liverpool fans that post on here and you say we want the team to fail. Well your statement there makes me ashamed. Just because you don`t agree with posts from others here it doesen`t make you right. Yes many Liverpool fans are ahamed right now Ashamed of the fact that we have become a laughing stock of other teams fans now IE Stoke fans singing you`re not famous anymore. I know it`s only banter but Most Liverpool fans will be ashamed ot that right now.

AndyKophead.

So when Hicks and Gillette were in control fans were wrong to show discontent? Maybe liverpool fans haven't moaned enough as we seemed happy enough getting into the champions league but only really challenging for the title once? Rodgers needs time to get his players in but that doesn't mean we shouldn't moan when we see bad decisions being made by owners and management and players playing poor. They're getting paid loads they can or should handle the pressure.
Les

What players in Les? He's bringing average in and that's all he's going to do. Sahin unwanted at Madrid, Assiadi, never heard of, Borini didn't cut I at Chelsea, Allen £15 mill joke, Sturidge not wanted at Chelsea £12 mill joke.

He'll make these players worse than what they currently are. FSG need to look at their resale concept in a little bit more detail.

Ozone

Do we have the money to pay the wages that the most regarded players would want?

Do we have Champions League footy?

I'm pretty sure that most 'top' players would want that if they were going to move country/club. Just accept that we are way behind Arsenal, Spurs, Everton this season and try supporting the club. Let's enjoy having Suarez because if Rodgers goes, I dont think he will be hanging around either.

Ozone, have you ever posted anything slightly positive about Liverpool? Get a grip man.

Fowler99

Allen is a decent player and Assasdi doesn't look to bad for the price, I'm not a Rodgers fan but this style of play won't work with who we have therefor we have to wait before we can judge him truly. I personally didn't expect higher than 7th with what we have and without spending big which is bad but we'll see.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:08:25
I dreamt last nite we signed Falcao, Mascherano and Isco... Ed's any chance of at least one of them happening??

Benny {Ed002's Note - Mascherano left under a major cloud so I doubt he will be returning. The others, nailed on.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 12:06:19
Was my poem not deemed suitable

Lanny Poffo {Ed002's Note - I suspect if you look around the pages it is there somewhere. One line was not suitable.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:59:12
I think Suso needs to teach Shelvey a thing or two about ball control and dribbling, the kids a spanish maestro and needs to play behind the striker, however i understand Brendan sticking him on the wing to give him game time.What we need to next game (IN MY OPINION LADS!) :
-Sahin in for Shelvey, we have a former bundesliga player of the year and need him to weave his magic.

-Coates in for Agger, Think both our CBs, as awesome as they have been in the past need a kick up the a*s, Coates is a class defender and will only get better with game time, and this could be good for Agger who we all know can't really play loads of games in a short period of time.

-Assaidi in for Suso (IF FIT) If Assaidi manages to shake off his knee injury he can cause problems for any PL team with his pace, dribbling, flair and skill, all the attributes a modern day winger needs. Suso as much as i love the guy is not a winger.

Like i said this is just my opinion but im sure Brendan will have his own, after all he is one who knows the players better than any of us. Come on lads keep those heads high it's not even January yet and were already feeling sorry for ourselves.

AsianRed

We're feeling sorry for ourselves because we keep getting turned over by the teams who we really should be taking points off and this has been happening for the last 3 seasons.

Why should we be taking points off them? Thats the problem right there we expect rather than earn. Stoke earned the three points last night and that Liverpool team expected to take them, especially after the start we had. I dont blame the manager (yet) the group are a bunch of lazy so and sos who dont understand the meaning of hard work. They are not a team rather a bunch of indivduals who need to man up sooner rather than later!
Ciario80

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:57:42
Was wondering what other fans thought of Reina's performance last night (and in general) ?

Although Skrtel slipped and was at fault for the first goal - I thought Reina was static. He could have stepped up a couple of yards and closed Walters options down. Instead he stood there and simply guessed left or right and got the wrong option.

I see people call Reina a "great keeper". But I really don't see what makes him "great". His distribution has always been his strongest attribute iMHO - and last night that wasn't all that good either. Would sooner have a great shot stopper or someone who commands his area.

Any thoughts ?

Cheers

RedTed {Ed052's Note - not really Skrtels fault he slipped}

Have to agree with that he should have closed the space much quicker. Although unlikely to prevent the inevitable he made it too easy for Walters. Reina has been poor for the best part of a whole season now but he has earned our support and time regarding his form. Having said that maybe the man simply needs a new challenge to re-awaken his hunger?
Ciario80

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:41:06
Yeh so we got beat but when the other team playedbtter and wanted it more how can u come on here slating the coach?
Thought stoke pressed brilliantly and jones and walters were pretty awesome today, we lacked height at the back which is their strength.

They would beat moat teams playing like that today, eapecially against a team who play a pass and move game.

A very realistic aussiepool tristan (i think so anyway)
Would love an eds summary of the game. {Ed052's Note - I have given what I think of tne match. Good first half, controlled the game and had chances. Awful inthe second half. Its one game of 38. Not to worry.}

We've lost 6 so no it's not just one game if 38. Also we've only won 6 do now won as many as we have lost. Embarrassing

This was always happening. Our team is too inconsistent. I feel a top 8 finish is all we can hope this term and just hope the owners back the manager and the manager and more so the scouting n/w make good use of their money. A lot of our signings over the last 4 seasons have been money down the drain.
I think we really need to do more recruitment from the continent and not just look in England.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:49:59
Ok I think we all need to clam down a tad.None of us including me expected to be so close to 4th spot before yesterday's game but after two big looses so close to to each other villa and stoke things will look bad.the villa game was a shock but the stoke game was not maybe not 3-1 but was not a shock.The patten in both games that I think massively contributed to losing both and lack as a team was the ability to win the first ball and second.I wouldn't put it down to a lack of positioning or tattic's I am really really concened about the lack of intensity and want to win the ball back the closing down for me has got worse as the season has gone on.At the end of the day stoke did not tatticly beat us they just wanted it a lot more every header,every loose ball and every 50-50 what we lack and it is worrying why we lack it.

Deanalfie.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:37:47
Boys boys boys, I've been saying this for sometime now, not just this season but for a the last 3 or 4, the problem at Liverpool is not their inability to score goals it's their inability to defend. Preseason after preseason we concede goals in friendlies but no one seems concerned.
If I was a defender, no matter who I'm playing against I would not want off the field at the end of a game and not have kept a clean sheet.
So in a nut shell, until LFC get a back four(five if you include the keeper) they will not progress any further.
Yes they do need extra striking options, but you don't lose games that finish 0-0.
Against West Ham and again against Stoke any ball into the box was defended by the keystone cops.
£27m for Agger from Man C should have taken with great big cheesy grin, in fact the "penalty waiting to happen" who plays along side him should have been in the package.
BR needs to address this problem asap not playing keep ball with players that are just not up to it. And if the players are not up to it and are not going to be part of the future, what's the point of teaching this style.

Stu the(watching through his fingers) Red.

Could not agree more. Thou shall not pass was always my motto. Even if it meant taking one for the team in terms of a card.

Gandalf

I agree with you stu,
We have been like this for many years now though and this pass pass back and forth is not helping anyone Rodgers is just piling presure on the team with his pass till you drop ways of thinking. Yes all well and good if we had players that could pass the ball. But Brendan can`t seem to see it. So we have got a long way to go before we can think of getting in the top 4 places i mean years with this team we have now. I also think mr rodgers needs a good coach to help him but doubt if he would except it. Do others agree?

AndyKophead.

I think Brendan can see it but come on give him time to sign the type of players he wants. And who is linked in the press more than likely is not what he wants

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:26:55
Transition my A**E! Rodgers takes over a team which is upper mid table, that has got to 2 domestic cup finals and look were he has got us!

Roy PLD 19 25PTS Sacked soon after
Kenny PLD 19 34PTS Sacked end of season due to poor league performance!

Rodgers is a snake oil salesman,totally out of his depth!

If any fan thinks this man can rebuild LFC then you will be very disappointed he continues FSGs long tradition of making poor appointments to any position. FSG are adept at looking at chaos and then acting quickly to then create more chaos.

We are a club that is in irreversible decline.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:26:25
Looks like Lewis holtby will be leaving on a free in the summer having rejected shakle any chance of him coming to Liverpool in January on the cheap or more likely in the summer on a free {Ed002's Note - Please see other answers.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:14:33
I think we should bring in some experience and let some youth go on loan to PL teams to get their experience. A lot of passes went astray last night and with 10 mins to go we should be battering their box for goals. Another bad performance from a team who are slipping further and further behind. I honestly believe the manager has lost the dressing room...... Only time will tell. Hope I'm wrong

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:33:45
Can't believe some fans wanting to get rid of rogers! He needs 3-4 transfer windows to put his stamp on the team. I agree that some performances haven't been good enough but that's no reason to sack a manager! If we do we will end up in same situation in 6 months again! Give the man time, support your team, manager and players! The future is bright with a lot of young players and it's not an overnight solution to a decade long problem of poor spending
Jon h

FSG sacked Hodgson after 20 games.

Hodgson did not help himself
Paisley's genius

So br has helped him self i do not think so i can not think of any thing he has done good.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:29:32
Hey Ed do you think we may use a 4-2-3-1 formation anytime soon? I think we could do really well with that..
Reina
Johnson-Agger-Skrtel-Enrique
Lucas-Gerrard
Sterling-Suso-Suarez
Sturridge

OR

Reina
Johnson-Agger-Skrtel-Enrique
Lucas-Allen
Sterling-Gerrard-Suarez
Sturridge

Any possibility Ed?
Cheers. {Ed052's Note - of course there is. Br will change his tactics to suit the game}

Ed 52 br doesnt no how to change tatics look at last night he was shown the blue print to beat stoke last year three at the back i just dont get why u think he is any good hes got better players at his disposol then roy h had and has less points that says enough is enough

mike {Ed052's Note - the way we went about beating them last nightwas suitable. We found space in behind a lot of times, and dictated midfield well in the firsthalf. Weshould have scoredagain and it would have been a different story, but again wefailed to take chances which again meant we lost. A couple of finishers could have meant a win yesterday}

Ter Stegen
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas Sahin
Walcott Suso Suarez
Sturridge

I would also buy Sissoko to push Lucas and add more steel in CM. Thats prob 40m spent there but from Reina & Downing we can recoupe a little.

Yeah but Suarez prefers the right side and
Sterling prefers the left side :) Dan H

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:12:58
What are the chances of holtby ed?
Cheers {Ed052's Note - very very low}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:07:23
I can't believe that after 6 months we still haven't won the league and champions league. Rodgers and the owners have had one transfer window together and they have failed to sign, Messi, Ronaldo, Falcao and Cavani. This is not good enough.

Time for a reality check. Our great club has been mismanaged for years at the highest level and other clubs have grown and have finances that far outweigh ours. We do not have a sugar daddy and need to build slowly and steadily.

We need to be patient. I am not comparing BR to the great man but people need to read about the early days of Bill Shankly. There are similarities and changes do not happen overnight.

We definitely need more potency up front. Just now teams know that Suarez is our only real threat. He has done well but nullify him and we will struggle. A forward like Sturridge could score 15 goals a season but just as importantly stretch opposition defences more allowing space for others.

Gaining more success will bring financial rewards and allow us to sign better players which brings more success and so on. In addition, the young crop of talent at the club are improving and gaining experience all the time.

I am realistic and know this will take a couple of years. I have been a fan of the club for over 30 years and I do not support Liverpool because they win, although I dearly want this, I support them because they are more than a football club and have soul.

I'm optimistic and know our time is coming again.

Crazy Horse

Thank you for making sense when everyone else seem to be losing their marbles..

Good to be optimistic Crazy Horse and I have supported the club since the late 70's. However there are no similarities with the great Shankly. BR inherited a club that had good players and were not far off the top 4, not in another division. Yes, we should all get behind the manager. However, we are now at the half way mark of the season. I wanted to put a few questions out to everyone:
1. What has BR done this season to demonstrate that he is the one to make LFC a top club ?
2. Does anyone believe that the money spent so far has brought in quality players that have improved the side ?
3. What style of football do we play (I certainly don't know and it does not stop goals and doesn't score them either) ?

Interested to see what people think

G

Yes he did inherit some good players but he also inherited a lot of overpaid and under-performing players. On top of this he has owners that realise the club needs to be run in a more sensible way to survive.

We are behind a number of clubs financially, this has been going on for a number of years and we must build. What did Shankly achieve in his first season? what about the next season.

Yes we need to do better but we need to be patient. What would supporters today say about Shankly in the beginning? Would they be calling for his head? Would Man Utd be better off if they got rid of whisky nose in the first couple of years?

It is not optimism, I'm being pragmatic.

Crazy Horse

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:07:14
hi eds and fellow reds just a quick question do you think with the sturridge deal done br will revert to 442 formation and stick with it surely thats the way to go with sturridge and saurez.ray {Ed052's Note - we will almost always be 433.I am certainhe will never play 442}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:05:56
To be very honest...I had figured out in the first 30 minutes itself that Jonjo needed to be subbed off..And I'm just a normal fan...I did think that BR would get him off at half time but he played him for the full 90 minutes..That just says it all...BR isn't brilliant tactically and we surely need at least 3 good players in January..FSG need to spend otherwise we're in for another sad season..

Red PG {Ed052's Note - shelvey played the full 90 as apart from Suarez, he is the only other player who has scored a few goals this season, and gets in the right positions tograb goals. And you say this season is going to be a sad season. No matter where we come a season without be said as you should still be a proud mighty red, and not care how well or otnerwise we do. Therefore, every season is a great season as our club is still alive, and has passionate players and fans.}

Thankfully Ed052 Shankly did not share your ethos nor did Paisley they only wanted LFC to be first,second was nothing and they put heart and soul into making the Red men the greatest they did not applaud or expect FAILURE to be applauded. {Ed052's Note - we are no where near theteams of the 70s and 80s. We can't finish first. Its notpossible. But that's not a reason for "fans" to start backstabbing, bithching and complaining}

Sadly i think shelveys lack of pace will prevent him from being a top player for us

Ed52 yes shelvey has scored a couple of goals but he couldn't pass p*** yesterday. BR won't bring him off which shows how BR has no idea or planB. Red Pete {Ed052's Note - he didn't bring him off as we have no decent replacements}

I will always support the team no matter and I understand that success won't come in 6 months...But at least players need to show some fight..Our performance was gutless and BR needs to walk his talk...

Red PG

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:04:07
As I said yesterday I'm mot a Rodgers fan but most of the players we have can't play his style, not technical enough, it's clear. He needs his type of player in b4 we fully judge. That could take two summer transfer windows.

Les

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:03:09
Is Steven Gerrad morphing into Charlie Adam?

Redpath

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:27:07
Really disappointed with yesterdays game, like a lot of people felt we lacked fight all over the pitch to a very determined Stoke side who I don't think I have seen play better all season. We really need some height and power in the team as we seem to be losing the battle more often than not. I do see improvements in play at times but too few and far between as too many games we lack the urgency to get at teams before they reorganize. In all honesty this rot has been building all year, it started with Kenny, as if you look at the second half of last year we won 5 out of 19 games. The illustrious teams we beat were Wolves (relegated) Blackburn (relegated) Norwich, Everton and a Chelsea team resting all their players for the champs league final. I think only wolves had less points than us in the 2nd half of the season. To be fair to Rogers this was a hell of a job to take on and he may have been naive in doing so. He has integrated some youth players who have looked promising but has overspent on bringing players in (so did most of our last few managers, so not on his own there) and has made mistakes. This season was never going to be filled with success but by closing the gap on 4th a few weeks ago everyone got optimistic. The optimism has now been replaced with anger and disgust with how the team has played in 2 of the last 3 games. Hopefully things will change but I feel next summer is make or break, will Rogers still be in charge? How much backing will he or a new manager receive? One thing is sure LFC needs to make some big calls and get them right, something that hasn't happened for a while. All the best for the New Year everyone and to the team/manager as they look like they need it YNWA.

James

Funnily enough, I don't think even Barca would have got a point at Stoke yest with them playing like that.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:25:23
Ferguson kinda controls th fa by saying stuff to the media, its weird. He didnt say the coin incident could have killed ferdinand'?'? RVP is abit of a softy anyway and iy was funny trying to see him fight williams

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:21:28
We are making other crap teams better than us by buying from them ie
Swansea--joe allen 15 mil ¤¤¤ went to michu and still have about 10 mil left.
Henderson--sunderland 16-20 mi went to adam johnson
Adam mil
Downing --20mil went yo bentekr and weinman

I have been saying this for the last 2-3 years. We will NOT get anywhere by buying up everybody's cast off's for stupid money.

Crowman.

Add Newcastle as well they rebuilt from our £35 million

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:20:05
Hi eds & fellow reds another awful performance last nite I was wondering has anyone any ideas how we could get
in touch with brendan & ask him why he cant see what all the fans can that our 2 centre backs cant defend & that were
cryin out for a tough tackling strong mid fielder & for the love of god how can he not see that henderson should have
started last nite as his energy & drive would have made a difference our
midfield looks pedestrian all the time everythings done in slow motion {Ed002's Note - I did not realise it was both centre backs that the fans want out. But hey, write to him care of the club.}

What a kn#b. Agger & Skrtel are fantastic players.

As much as we all harp on about buying every CF out there, I honestly think our biggest problem is CM. We have had: Allen, Sahin, Hendo, Shelvey, Adam, Downing etc who have never really dominated games or provided sufficient creativity). Lucas looks to have lost a yard (was never quick before, even slower now) and Gerrard's legs are fading rapidly (his set pieces too).

What I would give for Yaya Toure.

Even if you have a sensible point, he won't listen and he won't change. He's too arrogant and that is why he will fail.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:17:08
I Have no clue why people are blaming Reina and skrtel? If you look at the last few goals we have conceded they have been aggers fault, 2 of the goals against us were scored because agger wasn't tight enough to his man, Agger has so much Potentiol he just needs to concentrate more defensively

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:16:04
We have in our ranks bundesliga player of the year and we are not using him, shelvey has had his run at games far too long
Nuri SAHIN da best

I also think time to look at 4-2-3-1 with Sahin/Lucas providing the Alonso/Masch 2 in CM. As for the AM central in the 3, I would play Suso there.

Yes, Gerrard on the bench. Hendo, Allen & Shelvey in the reserves until they start playing better. Suso is prob the only real AM we have, hence no creativity except Suarez. I would actually have Adorjan as back-up to Suso if we don't buy an AM.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:03:00
Lets face it. We were poor, no motivation to win. we went to stoke casually with inspiration. The only think I hear every week is that 'we need to improve' but it never happens. All the players were rated 1 by me. We go one step forward and two backwards. Something has to be done. Drop the players that have no hunger for going forward and bring in the young lads. At least if we loose games we have the excuse that our players are young and inexperience. We have some top rated players in the squad and last night they were half at sleep.
alex

 

 

27 Dec 2012 11:00:57
come on lets not get to down hearted about the result yesterday, Stoke are a good side and were always going to be our hardest game over the Christmas period. We need to get behind Rodgers and the team 6 points from the next 2 game and things will look a lot different.
Murton Red

Stoke are not a good side they are average like us !

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:41:22
Morning all
This is not a rant just an observation from last nights game and some before.
Shelveys ball control is atrocious. Comes to him and it is like a 10-20 yard pass.He is not creative and to stiff to turn easily.Would rather have Joe Cole playing in the hole,at least he can create things.
Does Reina look smaller than other Goalkeepers?
You can only play 4-3-3 if you have the personnel to do it and we do not so the game plan has to change.
Suarez as much as i love him gives the ball away in areas where he could pass but tries the nutmeg and we get hit on the break.
How many times did players from both teams slip over last night,do they not check their studs before playing?
We cannot get players that are top quality because we are not in the Champions league.
Would like to see Carrol up top with Suarez in the hole but that is not going to happen because for some reason BR doesn't like him.
The rebuilding is going to take time but to keep saying we are going for top 4 runners up etc then lose winable games is not acceptable and needs to change fast.
Here is hoping 2013 brings us more joy.
All have a happy new year.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:06:03
the thing that worries me is something is drastically wrong at the club.there is'nt one player at stoke who would come into our team to improve it,the same applies to villa, but both teams beat us easily. i dont know if it's the system or something deeper, but i do know that something is'nt working,i just hope it is.nt player attitude or as sometimes seems the case lack of passion for the club
jaycee

Players have so little confidence and don't play with any creativity or freedom. Seem to be battling to implement this new pass back and sideways system as well. We have a lot of good players and should be playing better. {Ed052's Note - they played with creayivity against Fulham and in the first hakf yesterday. One bad game doesnt mean weve made no progress over the last few months}

Its certainly not one bad game.

The Irish Rover

19 games 25 points

Fulham are the worst team to come to anfield, don't use that to say we've played brilliant. The Fulham game just papered over the cracks and the stoke game smashed the cracks to pieces.

Yeah but Ed, Fulham were awful.

Crowman. {Ed052's Note - They were. but you can only beat whatever team is put infront of you}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:05:49
Sturidge is to wear the number 9 shirt guys

Hoorray... not.

Whoopeedoo......

Well, that's all the problems dealt with then.....

Impossible unless Carroll gives up the shirt. Carroll is still a LFC player

 

 

27 Dec 2012 10:01:27
Mourinho! You've got plenty of money and regarded as a great manager. Come to Liverpool for the ultimate challenge, win the league, with little resources, return a fallen great back to glory and you will be the greatest most revered manager the world game has ever had. Not only will you be special but you will never ever walk alone. You can keep BR as you're no 2 and finish his schooling. PS. Bring Alonso with you. Happy New Year. Bean counter

Get a grip, he will stay at the bigger clubs, we all know its man united his next team

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:58:45
GDont jump to conclusions guys, give br time-- it takes more than one season to implement such radical ideas and trust me it will work, worked for RM and Barca who brought home grown tallent such as tello, di maria,callejon,cunca,messi. It will come good all we can do now is focus on QPR game, we shouldnt reaaly be bothering against such a low team but we have stooped lowguys
Ali.g.indahouse {Ed002's Note - Di Maria is hardly what I would consider homegrown by any stretch of the imagination. Callejon and Tello were purchased from Espanyol. I don't recall where Cuenca came from but his youth career was not at Barca.}

RM and Barca are famous for grabbing every decent young prospect that comes along from their La Liga rivals (well not really rivals are they).

I hope by putting all our eggs in the Suso's, Sterlings, Shelvey's etc etc we are not over-hyping how good they really are and set for a big disappointment.

How many seasons did it take Pep Guardiola?

How much time and money did Hodgson get?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:46:41
Why does Rodgers only buy players he has previously worked with, that is only going to get us to where he was surely? Is the scouting system not working or is he just being stubborn? Opinions please Ed's. {Ed002's Note - Rodgers has never worked with Sturridge.}

Chelsea youth system duh

Rogers was assistant to jose at chelsea {Ed002's Note - MMourinho never worked with Sturridge either, and Rodgers was not assistant to Mourinho. Sturridge arrived at Chelsea from Manchester City.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:44:44
How can anyone blame Rodgers for our inconsistency? We were inconsistent in Rafa's last season, were inconsistent when Woy was in charge and we were inconsistent when the King was manager. It's a monkey we need to get off our backs.

AsianRed

Inconsistency goes hand in hand with just not being good enough. Mentally and physically.

We have not had good signings in the kast few years under woy, kenny and rodgers and that's why we have this inconsistency.

Thanks for posting something that is infact true so many people on this site are keen to jump on Rodgers back when it remains that the club has be inconsistent for a while now even before Rodgers was our manager.

AndyKopLiverpool

We were execptional in rafa's one season..and we maintained top 4 in rafa's all season...he would be laughing at us seeing our pathetic performacnce year and year out

2nd poster: spot on

Re Rafa: He managed top 4 in 4 out of 6 seasons. He failed in first and last season to get top 4.
Laugh it up Rafa

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:44:30
Are Suarez and Cavani good friends or do they just happen to be of the same nationality? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, but I would not expect Suarez to be moving to Napoli.}

Value your input greatly Ed002. Your guess as to how long Suarez will still be happy at LFC whilst we sink into mid-table mediocrity? He really is out there playing on his own in that team.

Wouldn't blame him if he leaves in the summer with no top 4 (and possibly no Europa either). {Ed002's Note - If Suarez goes I would doubt that Liverpool's final league position would be the major driving factor - although like many players, he will be craving playing in the Champions League. Keep in mind that he had opportunities to leave over the summer just gone and did look closely at those options, but he decided to stay. He is playing well and there remains interest, but I would not expect him to leave in January.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:39:30
Stoke were the better team. The best thing about playing in the busy period is that there's an opportunity to bounce back quickly. Come on lads wins against QPR and Sunderland would lift the mood. YNWA

AsuanRed

I cant say for sure that QPR or Sunderland are garuanteed wins. We seem to be going one step foward the static for a while... inconsistancy is not good for a club that pays the wages it does. Is the job to big for brendan well we will see at the end of the season but one thing for sure is 8th or worse is not pregession

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:34:44
I see the Mayans were only a few days out on their prediction then ?
The Juicer

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:32:51
BR got out thought by Stoke, they just had better tactics than us, says it all really. Personally I think a top CAM who can create chances and score goals would be the best thing that has happened to us. Even if they cost £25 million - Muniain or Goetze?

Well are there any chance of them Ed's?

RedsMatt {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath Matt.}

Okay thanks great work btw! But Muniain is surely looking for a bigger challenge?

Would love munian just what we need but unfortunately I think ed is correct can't see it,he seems destined for Barcelona,disappointing yesterday but still think brendan is the right man,always going to get inconsistency in a new managers 1st season,it takes time....
Y.n.w.a jft96
Paisley's genius

Besides the obv need for more goal scorers, I really think a strong CM is also need like a Yaya or Tiote. We seem very lightweight in CM and Lucas looks like he has lost a yard (not that he had too many before his injury).

Really wished we had gone for Sissoko. His mate at Toulouse Capoue also looks pretty good Ed002. Thoughts? {Ed002's Note - Toulouse's Moussa Sissoko has previously attracted interest from Milan, Arsenal, Lyon, Roma, Genoa, Liverpool and probably Napoli. Damien Comolli went as far as letting Sissoko's agent know that Liverpool saw Sissoko as the ideal long-term replacement for Steven Gerrard - but for some reason the club failed to make the final push to buy the player. Sissoko remains available (as he has done for two years) and Juventus, Newcastle and Spurs have enquired - with a tentative agreement being reached with Newcastle and Juventus over the price.

Etienne Capoue has attracted confirmed interest from Schalke, Anzhi, Inter and Benfica in addition to the longer term interest of Spurs and Arsenal. Toulouse are not keen to sell right now but I suspect would play clubs off against Anzhi forcing the price up if he is to move in January.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:23:13
I just can't believe one thing how the hell did we lose against a poor te like Aston Villa at home??? They have worst goal difference, they conceded 12 goals in last two games but they still managed to beat us on our own backyard comfortably 1-3?? This result of villa will decide what position we finish end of season and maybe will be good for villa to survive and they would say the 3 points gained at anfield saved us,

Last night we were second best, stoke did what they are good at play long and direct and physical football, I was surprised with why did he played suso who is very good but can't play against rugby players, we deserved to lose stoke were better then us,

I'm worried about qpr as Harry has always managed to beat us whenever he's in charge of a struggling team Portsmouth, Southampton, if we lose and I say big IF then BR has got some explaining to do as our next game will be against Martin oneil who has always managed to get results against us in past with every team he has managed against us on many occasion

Lets wait till end of season to analys BR and maybe bring back Rafa if BR parts company with our club, I never supported his appointment but I feel there are glimpse of good football under him but its not consistent that's our problem this season

Happy new year to all the reds wherever u r in this world, I'm off to work today Which is crap lol

Dk London

Stoke played well and credit to them.

The game stats clearly show we are on top of most games we just need goals.

The transfer window cannot come quickly enough for us, we can all be critical, last night we gave the ball away far to many times, our defence ended up far to deep but the fact is we had just as many opportunities in front of goal and only scored 1. Get a couple of strikers in soon and I have confidence our team will go on a good run, judge the team at the end of the season, remember we finished 8 th last year and I think it's still possible to finish 4-5th this season. YNWA

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:22:50
First thing I'm going to say is I think we've done ok considering we've had only one recognised striker for the majority of the season (of course there are people to blame for this), when things aren't working with Suarez we hav'nt been able to take him off or shift him out wide to change the options unlike every other team in the league when Sturridge comes in and Borini is back that's more options its obvious to see!
My second point is Rodgers gets slated when we lose yet before the game 99% of us say "I can sense 3 points today lads" or similar, if you don't believe in his system then why be so adamant we will win every game? To many fair weather fans a top four finish was a tall order this season anyway and hasn't helped with the set backs we've had, there is still a long way to go its pointless getting to worked up about things.

Square tomato

I guess you thought we did OK under Roy Hodgson then?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:11:00
After that performance, would the owners give Rodgers £40 million to bring in some real quality or is the money just not there Ed's? {Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that - sorry.}

But surely the owners and manager can tell that it's going to take something like that to get where we belong? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no divine right to "belong" anywhere. The owners have already spent considerable amounts of money on the team - what will happen if another £40M is spent in January and Liverpool end up 6th or 7th in the league? Another £100M in the summer?}

Well there's no other way out of this mid-table cycle Do you want to be like West Brom fans with no possible way of competing with the top 4 and no chance of going down but no way out as they haven't spent and can't? We are dropping incredibly quickly into a mediocre side and you think it's alright to watch it?

Passion

Over the years we've spent millions and if I was an owner I'd be reluctant to whip out a cheque book and start spending a 40million! Those we've brought in over the last 3 season are yet to prove any worth...

Money has been given and we have spent. We have only ourselves to blame for not buying the right players imo. We really shouldn't be as far off as we are. We should have more senior players consistently performing allowing Suso, Sterling, Shelvey and co to come through slowly. We are expecting to much and putting too much pressure on these young lads and this will back-fire big time.

Sturridge is only 23 and I feel sorry for the amount of expectation the lad will have when he arrives.

The problem is we cannot attract or afford any quality players, all we can buy are players who the club hope will come good.

Our side has better players than results suggest. Yes we only have one striker but to be we're we are in the league and lose games at home as we do is not acceptable.

Our defence should be one of the best with agger and skirts yet we are leaking goals, the system is not working, BR does not have any other tactics.

If KD or Roy were in charge they would have been sacked but as we have a so called new system BR always has an excuse as work in progress!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:04:45
No other new manager in the premier league this season has gone in making a big deal of their 'philosophy.' Laudrup and Clarke have gone about the business of managing their football teams without all the public relations talk BR has bought into. Their results, transfer dealings and performance stats say it all when compared to BRs and they have taken over at so called smaller clubs.

Apart from the manager I think LFC'c coaching staff need to look at themselves. Are they up to it? I look at the dugout every game and it does not inspire me. They look lost and out of their depth. We are leaking goals and not scoring them. In anyone's football philosophy this means losing games......even if the possession and passing stats are better than the opposition.

A Stoke player said it all after the game.....they pressed high up the field (in a change from their normal team tactics) because they knew Liverpool would be TRYING to play tiki taka from GK out.....Stoke won the ball high up the pitch and put us under pressure. Isn't there a lesson in this BR?

Normally good or even great players like Riena, Stevie G have been well under par and you have to question whether this is down to how they are expected to play rather than just poor form.

My personal opinion is that BR has lost the changing room and the players are stuck in a half way house. They don't seem to be happy and playing with a smile on their faces. It's all very well BR having 3 envelopes......however do the players give a monkeys?


BR said at the beginning of his tenure that he will make Anfield a fortress again and our opponents will face 'death by football.' Well Brendon our castle walls have been scaled and we have been put to the sword by so called lesser teams who have made us look like a bunch of amateurs who lack the belly for a fight and don't have the tactical know how to defend our fortress.

We know FSG are on a learning curve themselves. It would be interesting to see who they are being advised by about football matters. Mr Henry and Mr Werner you need to be seen and heard now as the unrest has begun.

RedDoc

I'm not talking about the Stoke game (anyone can go to Stoke and get beat) just half-way through the league season.

Was looking at the team last night and our defense -
Reina (good enough even though on a dip)
Johnsons, Agger, Skrtle and Enrique have to be better than most defenses in the leagues.

Mid - Gerrard, Lucas, Shelvey
A.Mid - Downing, Suso/Stirling, (not too shaby)

Suarez (class act - got not one bit of service eh whole game)

Surely our players are better than league position and players suggest... if it's not the players, is it the coaching staff? FSG can't afford another round of payoffs...

FSG must be thinking, this football is a lot harder to succeed at than we thought!

The constant tiki taki out of defence is leaving us vulnerable over and over again. It should be clear to the players and Rogers that they have to adapt to different situations. Stoke did to us what we have done to teams in the past, closed down and given no space. We need to have more than one trick. At the moment we are too obvious and we have no alternative strategy.
Playing Coates as a centre forward and missing out the rugby-playing midfield would have been more entertaining than being hassled into losing the ball repeatedly far too near our goal.
ND {Ed052's Note - if you hoof the ball away from your goal it leaves the other team to come back and attack. However, by keeping hold of the ball we can build our own attacks and release any pressure building. As of yet we haven't conceded any goal due to passing it around the box and being caught - apart from once Enrique was over elaborate and was caught}

The worrying thing is when we lose, the defence just get carved open with ease, its fine saying they were soft goals to conceed but it happens so often. have to beat qpr and sunderland now as theres some hard games coming up and keep playing like we will get humped. {Ed052's Note - yesterday, the first goalwas unlucky, the second goal a mistake and the third great stoke play. The defence is hardly a shambles and is one of the best in the league}

I see what you mean but really being honest how many are actually world class? Some may be one day or have been but I think only Suarez is currently world class. We also play in a way that really exposes Agger and Skyrtel so this leads to us shipping goals. We are no better than mid table and until we play to our strengths this will not change.

I will get slaughtered I know, but LFC will not move forward until Carra & Gerrard move on. Possibly Reina too as his heart is no longer in it.

Let the youngsters go out and play without fear. Hendo is a classic example, so scared to try anything and terrified after one misplaced pass. He only looks an avg player since he came to us. Sunderland he powered forward with good runs, scored some good goals and looked class.

Agree with everything you said mate! The players we have are better than the results we have
achieved. For me, BR is now out of his Depth.
PJ

We always get caught with this stupid passing around the back five we lost three points against m city weveryone nows to close us down then we will be sht the only team wat didnt was fuhlam we need plan b plan c even d but rogers just hasnt a clue again i say u wouldnt play tennis with a hockey stick

mike

 

 

27 Dec 2012 09:03:39
At the end of the day football is a money game and I do not mean transfer fees, I mean wages as well. If you want top class players you need to pay big fees and even bigger wages. Liverpool are not in a position to do this and my fear is we will never be in a position to do this. Financial fair play will actually hit the less well off clubs more than the rich clubs. Mark my words the only thing that could save Liverpool is a European Super League that we would be invited to be part of due to our worldwide fan base. If that does not happen in the next 3-5 years we would not likely be invited to that either. We need a miracle and believe me no Billionaire could save us with FFP.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:58:39
A rumour that seems to be gathering pace is Kelly is stalling over a new contract. lack of 1st team (I know injuries have hampered this also) & a couple of other things unsubstantiated apparantly. With Man U waiting in the wings.

Tbh, if Man utd r indeed waiting in the wings, kelly wud be stupid to reject them. He wud be guaranteed more game time n trophies.
Indian Buzzer

Martin "i get injured every second game" Kelly. Good luck to him. Overrated imo like all our youngsters anyways.

This has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever read on this site.Lack of first team chances - for goodness sake the England No1 RB was moved to LB so elly plays.If Kelly goes to Man united he can definitly win more tropheys but on the bench maybe he can take Owens Twitter account.

Kelly knows

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:55:27
The fact Rodgers still has a job says more about were our club is at. No other BIG CLUB would accept this,Harry got 4th and was gone!

We have went dreams of a new stadium,to being told a lick of paint and a manager who will bring glory back with kids is the future!

We have the wrong people in charge at every level SO DONT EXPECT SUCCESS.

You talk about Harry getting 4th but how long was he in his job for ? You really expect BR to come in and in six month get us into 4th . Please there are a few on here who are talking out there backsides . Give your heads a shake . Do you know what YNWA stands for .
Jamesy {Ed002's Note - Jamesy - this who "transition year" or "years" is a complete red herring. Clubs do not enter a period of "transition" when managers change.}

So why do so many want to sack BR

Well said ED couldn't agree more. All these clueless supporters talking about us being in transition well if thats the case we've been in transition for about 5-6 years.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:49:39
i think we all have to agree that sturridge is better thet fabio borini , and i think that BR will put sturridge at a position of CF pairing with suarez...
lets hope sturidge, will be at its high level in livfc...
btw, i really love this site...

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:30:36
now i suppose people on hear will now say we should go for walters after last night lol ,always happens when a player scores against us....sigh

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:30:01
Have you seen the size of Hooper?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:25:13
Great site...and what a result...3-1...looks excellent progressing...
A top 4 team doesnt loose these many games in a season..
Any one...withthe post...TOP 4 up for grabs?
Sell suarez...coz..the last thing we could ever do is letting him go to a bigger club to win a medal..
We are a mid table team..and from past 3 years...
cant change that and cant help...
daniel sturridge a greedy selfish footballer on the right wing..will not get us into top 4...
we need 5 players....yes atleast 5 players to challenge..
I have started supporting Barca and real in CL...cant survive the insult and embarassment every week in and out from my frndz..when we go down so bad..
...We dont attack...10 players are on our half passing side ways and backways..
luis suarez comes to half way..recieve the ball.run forward..looks on sideways...sees stoke players..hold the ball and shoot without any options...
have any saw a dribbling skill by any liverpool player in this whole season apart from suarez?

Heard football needs pace and skill...
but we are surviving without these two objectives..

So what would be the new year gift?
Another defeate at the ahnds of the worst team QPR?

YNWA

Wow I thought I was bad looking for fsg to move on , people on here need to wake up and see what's happening at liverpool fc.Eds on here keep going how good our owner's are , and how good our manager is, But in the table doesn't lie .BR (who imo is a good manager) was left without players that he needed because of fsg incompitance .They are tom and Jerry all over agian .BR was given the job because rafa and avb would of looked for money which they didn't have or didn't want to give.This rant is by no means an attack on the eds (I wouldn't do your job for anything) :)
Give the man a chance and see what happens we can't change manager agian , change owners ya I would like to see them move on.
Anyway heads up boys and girls keep the faith. Eam {Ed002's Note - So you want the owners to sell the club because, for one reason or another, Liverpool did not buy Clint Dempsey in the summer. Thank god you are not fickle then.}

I also think we need more than that... these players nee to know how to put the ball in the back of the net!

Not the point ed002 he wanted the player , they gave him the job end of story. Whos head will roll if he can't do it .
Before you get on your high horse about our great owners I would follow Liverpool in any division.
Eam {Ed002's Note - I am sorry that you see it as a high horse, and I continue to find it pitiful that there are still "fans" like you wanting the owners out because of Dempsey not being purchased. Interestingly you would probably be bitching about wanting Dempsey out now if he had of been.}

So much emphasis on the owners 'buying us success'. My only issue was Werner coming out and talking rubbish (increasing wage bill, we can compete financially with anyone...). That I don't like as it was a lie. Plain and simple Ed002.

Why not focus on the team and manager we have and insisting they pull their fingers out and play better? Thats my real problem and i hope BR is woking on it. {Ed002's Note - I imagine Werner, who never said anything about competing "financially" with anyone, regrets saying anything at all given that it just gets analysed, changed and distorted.}

Ed o2 werner did say we can compete with anyone in the transfer market in an interview and also said we would be very happy with are jan signings both these statments are lies same as the last yonks al we want is the truth if he says we dont have the money to do a lot of buisness then fine but dont get everyones hopes up with lies

mike {Ed002's Note - Tom Werner never said that Liverpool could compete "financially" with everyone. The problem is that he is asked questions and responds, and every word and sentence is analysed by teh fans in search of hidden meaning and secret messages. It was simply a gung-ho type statement - don't read anything in to it. There was never going to be a situation where the owners were going to throw endless amounts of money after players given what they had already invested. I have explained all along that they would be supportive - within reasonable financial constraints. The sad thing is that many fans seem to just want to see the club spending money regardless - in most cases they don't care who teh money is spent on but if it is wither an ex-player or a player they know from Fantasy Manager 2000 or whatever, all the better. A question - would you prefer to see Liverpool spent £12.5M this summer on Xavi Alonso or on Selcuk Inan?}

Bitching ed002 that's funny coming from a Chelsea fan, I never said I wanted any player my point was BR wanted him fsg should of got him and the buck stops with him.When have Liverpool ever got players on loan?
Does man utd do it?
Mmm Chelsea maybe I don't think so
Arsenal mybe , nope
Fsg should be looking for a buyer they cannot be left in control of Liverpool imo.
Eam {Ed002's Note - Sahin is on loan at Liverpool. Tevez was on loan at Manchester United. Benayoun at Arsenal. Quaresma at Chelsea.}

Fair point ed but they were signed to be bought
Eam {Ed002's Note - Only Tevez - and thatw as very much a special case. There is no "to buy" agreement for Sahin, nor Benayoun but he may be bought anyway, and tehre was none for Quaresma.}

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:12:46
One dimensional is our side.

Brendan only has one set of tactics and it's made it to easy for other teams.

We will lose as many as we win.

Not good enough anymore.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:10:11
8 points of 4th....says it all really: WE SUCK!!!! only thing thats gonna save us is new owners, new directors, new managers, new coaches and most important new players.........and when I say new players I mean like a completely new squad! haha but seriously now.....LFC is rubbish, can't defend that anymore. Rant over. Cheers

No, I think we have done too much knee jerk in the last 20 years. Time to give BR time (hopefully he is not a slow learner) and put pressure on current squad to play better to earn those wages.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:07:14
We got rid of kuyt, maxi n bellers in the summer and done exactly what we have been doing for years replacing them with worse players

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:06:45
Really not sure how managing a big club affects where they are in the table!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:04:33
really disappointed with the result we were just not good enough.mind you we still have some top class players .i think our players just do not have that winning mentality we are very inconsistent look at city or manu they sometimes grind out result . when opposition work hard and press our player look lost and lack ideas. partly blame should go to the manager also its his responsibility to get the team ready for the match. his substitution were not great also. this is where sometimes i feel that we need a manager who has won some titles and is experienced maybe someone like vaan gaal mite have been a good appointment who could have instilled that mentality in player .rodgers is good but he is still has lot to learn maybe in some time he will turn out to be good but the problem is how much more time can we give.it looks like whenever we take step forward we go two steps backward.
Ayush

 

 

27 Dec 2012 08:02:05
We're dooooomed!

Private Fraser

Dont panic, dont panic

Corporal Jones

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:55:17
Would all you so called fans just put a sock in it. Stoke was just better on the night. Get over it.
Yes we need reinforcements and BR is trying with the resources available

Wow and that's good enough for you , BR should not have to worry about things like that his the liverpool manager.Getting players on loan , buying rejects from other teams and fans on here call for his head? Please kop yourselfs on the man is trying his best with what fsg give him, call for there head they are out of their league.
Eam

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:51:27
It took Fergie 6 years to win anything at Manchester united, not 6 months. Sacking Rodgers and bringing in yet another manager with a different philosophy and players he wants will lead to yet more disruption and upheaval, not to mention more money wasted on compensation. Yes, we had a poor result last night, one that all fans will be down about, but it needs to be seen in context. Stoke deserve some credit for where they are. I don't like the style of football they play, but it's effective and at home especially they've become virtually unbeatable. They rarely let goals in and they're relentless in their pressing and harassing of the opposition. Not pretty but it works. So actually, last nights game was anything but easy for us, but I'm nit making excuses, despite taking the lead, we didn't show up and deserved to get beat.
Rodgers needs time to build a squad capable of challenging, it will not happen overnight and it won't happen in one transfer window, we simply don't have the cash now to blow it on 5 or 6 players at a time. There is always massive expectation at Liverpool but it's time to realign that and be patient. Most of all, SUPPORT THE TEAM, through good and bad. Slagging them off and calling for the managers head is the worst possible thing we can do right now and if he was sacked, we would be in a real mess. Do what's right, support the team we all love and help steer them into brighter days. That is all.

The captain.

Glad to see some other supporters sticking by BR . Hate losing myself but others need to realise it was always going to be a hard season . If you can't support the team when they lose then don't bother . Well said captain .
YNWA
Jamesy

Football has changed since Slurgie started at ManU. Perhaps we at LFC need to get with the times. Ed002 called it properly - this "in transition" nonsense is getting old.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:44:05
No adventure, no risk, no creativity, no imagination - just a set of mind numbing moves that must be obeyed before we try to score - we may as well be managed by the Healthy and Safety Executive
Seen enough to know this is not going to improve some day soon

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:36:29
I love gerrad but he has been horrible in just about every game this year. BR's major fault is not having the balls to haul him off when he is playing like he did today.

Seriously? He is in the top 5 midfielders for both passing and chances created this season. He has scored a few goals also, it is a team sport and now they must take collective criticism.
Scouse_Pride

Sad thing is Gerrard is half the player he was but still twice the player of Henderson/Allen & Shelvey combined.

Why didn't we buy Sissoko from Toulouse when we had the chance.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:16:11
Im not saying the way the team has performed is acceptable, but sacking BR is not the right thing to do. Over the last 2 years none of our managers including Rafa and the King have been able to succeed so why do we think our next manager will do any different? My only other question is who would you have as a replacement manager anyway? Its not exactly the job of the century is it when everytime you lose or draw fans jump on your back. I know it sucks because I watch the games like everyone else, I think the best thing we can do is get through January and sign some good players and if the team performances have not improved by February then we can place our judgement on the team. But for me we have no hope for our club if we keep constantly cutting our managers. Finally i would like to ask why we as fans are so inconsistent, every time we win we think we can make champions league but everytime we lose its the end of the world.
anyway i would like to see the responses to this even though I know there will be many disagrees.
YNWA
GOD

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:07:55
I think it's time for BR to address the defending problems at Melwood, we've been giving away cheap goals the whole season and maybe Jones should also get a run of games, he looked more confident than Pepe recently. Also passing the ball around on our own half just invite the opposition to push and get the ball in an already dangerous area. Definitely need to sort these things out, if we want to climb up that table!

HK

 

 

27 Dec 2012 07:01:42
What is wrong with LFC fans? I am as gutted as all you slackers and moaners are...I am from India and had to wake up till 3 am to watch this disappointing match but at least I am not jumping ships like you rats....A win and you sing hymns for BR..A loss and you literally ask for his head as in Afghanistan!!.....If you lot have high expectations, its not BR fault...Not once in any of his interviews, he has said that he will get us CL spot in first season...He has reminded us time and again that its a long term vision and project...It will take atleast 2-3 years and 3-4 transfer windows to get his players and right mix...But still after every defeat, all the moaners will storm this site to rant up but exactly what!...Can anyone comment about the performance of our players in yesterdays match?...seems like they were still celebrating X-Mas..Except suarez and enrique, nobody put the shift and stoke played like their lives were dependent on wining..that was the difference..Not the manager,his tactics,his style,his philosophy etc...you dumb wits..BR plays the same wining combination and loses..he gets slayed...BR changes the wining team and loses..he gets whacked..What have we become as LFC Fans?...Fault-Finders!...We all knew at the start of season that it is a season of transition but still have we accepted the fact..NO...We keep comparing LFC to ManU,Chelsea,ManCity,Arsenal etc..Oh God wake up, deep down every LFC Fan realizes that realistically we have fallen down the pecking order and we need to climb up step by step but still we expect leaps and jumps every weekend!....Many fans keep harping about Rafa and KK but Rewind and you will realize that wasnt exactly the golden period so whats the hue and cry about!....BR has been in job 6 months and already people are judging by counting games( 19 Games) and comparing him to AVB,Steve Clarke and what not!..utter rubbish..Other club supporters visiting this LFC forum must be laughing their lungs out to read the height of idiocies of so called world's most knowledgeable fans!

Sorry for my rant and long post!..but enough is enough

Indian with Red Heart

 

 

27 Dec 2012 06:58:00
Is it me or are all these players we are linked with, even those who the eds comfirm, are poor. NO ambition! BR is not showing any positivity here.

J

 

 

27 Dec 2012 06:42:39
some people on here are saying BR should go but what they seem to forget is that he never got the money in the summer to buy quality players , he has learned from some of the best managers in football and he knows that the team lack both quality and depth in the squad , i like him and with the proper funding he will get the quality player we need , and i hope the fans on here will stop going on about rafa , saying things like if he had the money that kenny spent we would be a great team again , FACT rafa di get money to spend but he wasted a lot of it and let top players go because of his dictatorship , alonso and arbeloa are playing for real madrid , if they are good enough for RM then they are good enough for us , FACT BR has not had the money that kenny or rafa got but you dont hear him moaning about it , he is getting on with what he has at his disposal ,

my only gripe about him is that he is playing downing at left back instead of robbo , and he is not giving coates a run of games , because i think with a run of games he will show us how good of a defender he really is , after all he did win the young player of the tournament in the south american competition , were he played against the like of neymar who was favourite to win the young player , also aguero and tevez and all the other very good south americans , plus he is young and he can only get better by playing games , i really believe he would become a better defender than agger and skertal if he was given the game time

mickey b

Borini for 11 million or keep kuyt??

 

 

27 dec 2012 06:37:08
thank god we have br,how else could we sign all of chelseas cast offs!!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 06:02:44
Rodgers should this mess now before we sink any further. Your signings are too lightweight and won't take us anywhere and your poor decisions are harming us even further.

Allen 15m failed
Borini 11m not worked out
Sahin 5m on 100k a week failed
Assaidi can't even play
Shelvey is so atrocious yet he keeps playing.

Now that the window is open and we could get Burak Yilmaz, Gary Hooper, Tomer Hemed or any proper striker, Rodgers wants to sign another 5ft 7 lightweight in Thomas Ince and Chelsea's outcast and bench warming ball hog, Daniel Sturidge.

To hell with wing forwards. We need strikers. Everyone can see this bar an egoistic and one dimensional manager. With wing forwards alone, how do we change tactics when it is required? The 30m he blew on druds last summer for me says it all. We needed just two proper strikers and a winger. Yet after spending 30m, this need is far from being addressed.

We are doomed with Rodgers. No counter attack when we are chasing a game except the side to side madness. Take off them blinkers and see for yourselves. Being an LFC supporter with this mess is so frustrating.

I'm so sorry for FSG and their wasted millions. They need competent hands to rescue this club or we are finished.

Abroad Red

 

 

27 Dec 2012 05:57:21
Compare west brom's squad to ours? The believe and management is excellent. Blindly following a one season manager and claim reds for ever will not help this team. Blame the person who needs to get it right.

BR isn't the man he never was. His bought rubbish in and will carry on the same way. Some team manager who got lucky.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 05:24:30
Nottingham forest owner to meet premiership manager today for talks about vacancy. I would like to be the first to day good luck Brendan

Roy Keane to be the next manager was told yesterday.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 04:59:55
We all know where the Danger is coming from when playing Stoke. Doesnt need a genius to figure it out from aerial threat. Where is Coates? Skitel n Agger being licking goal all over the place. Time for a change don you think.We wont get top 4 nor we wont get relegate i hope so. Brendan should start thinking of next year NOW.This season is over and thats a fact.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 04:50:06
I see the part time fans are out in force after a defeat. This season was always going to be difficult all round. Judge BR next season at least. When he as a chance to get in his own players. Also some of the current squad I.e SG need to look at themselves and think as their time expired,move over and let someone else in..

Lee73 {Ed002's Note -

Why is a fan part time just because they have an opinion? so were you backing hicks & gillete regardless of the fact they were destroying the cliub?

Let's say BR had organised the team and we had drawn a load of games, had one of the best defences in the country - that could be judged as progress and a building stone for the future the fans would follow. We shipped 3 at home against an appalling aston villa side.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 04:27:59
Oh god, is it true, are we really gonna become a mid table team and not win anything for the next few decades or ever again, I'm doing my best to support BR and the team but it's so frustrating, every-time there's a glimpse of improvement something like this happens.
Stoke absolutely destroyed us earlier, I cant take anything positive out of the performance, did we even have shot on target besides the penalty??
Losing 3 -1 and having Henderson and Cole come of the bench, God, somebody say something to cheer me up

Kelly Red

Im in work today, with a very bad hangover and only had about 3 hours sleep!
hope that cheers u up lol
john

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:58:33
Just saw this comment on the Daily Mail, might help to lighten the mood.
"When Brendan Rodgers said he thought Liverpool could finish second I didn't realize he meant in every game"
Andrew

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:57:51
I have wAtched all the games this year and still remain very positive. It sounds like Jan will bring in some help and add some depth. The only criticism I have of BR up until this point was very apparent in todays game. I love the tiki-taka style of play. But in the EPL with some of the more physical teams, or better quality teams, playing tiki taka out of the back and losing the ball in your defensive third is unacceptable. Sometimes kicking the snot out of the ball to get it out of your area when your under pressure isnt the worst idea. Live to fight another day as they say, it at least gives our defense time to reshape. Ive noticed this far too much this year and I have to think its coming from BR. We keep putting our boys in tough spots. As for the players they lost today because they were simply outworked. Stoke were the more aggressive squad, winning almost every 50/50 ball and out hustling and pressing the reds all day. It just appeared to me that Stoke wanted this game more than we did. That being said I expect 6 pts from the next two games

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:57:06
I hope the reports that Rodgers is looking at bringing in Di Santo are false. Di Santo is a lower-calibre Borini, and yet even Borini has not done ANYTHING for LFC thus far.

I fear Rodgers' plans are being hurt by his and half the team's inexperience. WE have boasted for long this season that we have a young team. But that is coming back to haunt us in some games. For this reason I do hope that the rumors today linking us with more experienced players are true.

Rodgers may be sure of three years at LFC without any fear of the sack from the owners. However, if the team continues performing like a mid-table one, the good players we have (Suarez, Johnson) may re-think their careers and then Rodger's world will begin turning!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:53:09
Please Brendan Go now before you take our club to even more mediorocracy .

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:22:41
No other way to put it other than I feel let down by the team. Once it looks like we turned the corner this happens. Not mad, or angry just extremely disappointed...
Andrew

 

 

27 Dec 2012 03:05:33
Yes Brendan. No Brendan. 3 bags full Brendan.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:58:16
Maybe I shouldn't have retired from the MLS, I could at least bag a goal when given the chance, and with these players not putting away their chances, my dream move to liverpool might have come true....

RW&hisgato

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:56:19
Start playing Coates over Skrtel, Sahin in for Shelvey with Stevie pushing forward in the "hole" behind Suarez. Im tired of watching Skrtel make ridiculous mistakes basically every game...Shelvey is very very poor with the ball and his first touch is non-existant...Pepe is done in my opinion, he has the worst save % in the league and his reaction is far below average..If Brendan wants to right this ship he's gonna have to show the guts to make some BIG decisions about who is Liverpool quality and not making thousands of dollars/pounds on past reputation.... light some fires under their asses Brendan because its the only way to fix the underachieving we've been seeing. Gonna be tough watching for the rest of this season most likely but I will not miss a minute no matter how pissed off it makes me sometimes. Keep your heads up guys.

Phillyred

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:54:02
So with LS doubtful for the QPR game, who the hell is going to score.
Hate to say it, we will lose.

We have played without suarez and won without suarez this season , you should try watching the games , got to love the un-named diehard supporter h.................andy.

We will lose to QPR because they are in a dogfight

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:52:22
liverpLiverpool probably would play a lot better if all of you pathetic whiners would stop houndingnand criticising anyone anytime we lose

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:50:17
A friend remarked recently, that 'LFC fans are like those old war veterans, who talk about the war'.
That we only have history to draw on, nothing else.
The more we talk of 'glory days' the more we are ignored.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:46:01
Looking at the logs, I realise just how far we actually are behind the leaders.
We are no longer a team of substance, just a hollow shell, in a old stadium.
Its time that the owners urgently addressed this.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:40:01
Ed or Macca, What is the status of our stadium plans? There has been no news since redevelopment was suggested. Secondly any chance of us signing another striker (Sturridge is allmost a done deal) and what about the possible return of Xabi in summer?

Spiftz

Stadium?..are u lost...millions wasted for a mid table team?

Have to be competing for the league and playing CL to fill the shiny new stadium otherwise a waste of time.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:31:35
Look everyone rubbish happens.MATTYLFC

All the time, it appears

And rubbish will continue to happen with Rodgers in charge and FSG with their policy of creating chaos and appointing muppets.

We have turned a corner
Signs of progress etc

Fans wake up we are less than mid table

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:16:32
Watching LFC play, I am reminded of the Novel 'Moby Dick' by Herman Melville.
BR is Captain Ahab.
LFC is the Peqoud.
The story ends badly for the Captain, Ship and crew.
Tumbleweed Red.

Great book. great analogy. well played sir.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:14:11
Simply not good enough and it doesn't matter how you look at our squad. If it wasn't for Suarez we would be worthy of fighting for relegation because the true fact is that is the type of quality we have. Need reinforcements in every position virtually but particularly at the back. I think Agger and Skrtel get away with minimal critiscm when they are average at best. Good sides are solid at the back and it begins from there but we leak goals like no tomorrow! Cannot handle pressure, make school boy errors and when you couple that with our midfield we will continue to struggle. Look at the goals we conceded against Villa and the first two against Stoke? All mistakes, poor positioning by our defenders or midfileders coming back to defend or Skrtel slips at the most critical moment!!..Didn't see any Stoke players slipping. The reality is Sturridge will help but we need quality not players who BR has worked with in the past and were in youth teams at Chelsea, Reading or Swansea!! Liverpool is a massive club but at the moment we are not worthy.

Is this a work in progress or is the manager inept? Time will tell. We need to be patient and give BR time and lots of it.
Hop

Agger n Skrtel r fantastic players. But the system deployed by BR does not seem to suit them.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

27 Dec 2012 02:10:59
FSG time to get involved now.
Your manager has not performed.

Fsg wont sack their yes man!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:44:24
This is getting a little bad now... We have top players Johnson Agger skrtel Enrique thats a pretty impressive back 4... Lucas when 100% is one Of the best DM in the league...

But now the problem starts Allan shelvey Henderson Gerard none of them are performing for us right now and there not exactly Alonso, mascharno, sissoko, Garcia are they...

Carroll, downing, cole, all need to go for good they were good but it happens all the time english players buckle under the pressure of playing for top teams!

I guess the point of this rant is we've spent close to 200m since our new owners have come in on managers and players and all the good that has come out of it is Suarez and maby Enrique... Like it or not if Benitez had been given this much money over the last 3 years to rebuild we would not be in this situation... Agger skrtle Johnson reina Lucas not to mention the players he bort who have left now...

I'm not against Rodgers he's a nice guy an good coach but he's not a game by game coach he's a stick to his style coach and his style works but it takes ages to get it to work u need players of a certain type to make it work but this is Liverpool not Swansea! Players like assaidi ince sturridge Allan borin are SQUAD players not Liverpool players! An not good enough for his system!

BC

You cant start bigging up the back four when we're shipping 3 goals at home to Villa and 3 goals away to Stoke. Pathetic all over the pitch.

Is that the same Benitez who wasted money like there was no tomorrow..... We were the 2nd highest spenders in the premier league when hicks n Gillette was in charge, they backed Benitez n look where it got us.... Nearly administration! He wasted more money than anyone Benitez, out of all Benitez transfers you can count on one hand the successful ones out of over 200 players ..... Fact

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:44:14
Why are we so inconsistent. We are losing to clubs like Aston Villa by large margins, when Chelsea hit 8 by them.

Chelsea have got a great manager though and spend their money on people like mata not downing

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:44:01
I think pessimism and optimism on here so I'm going to try and offer a bit of realism.

We are definitely not playing well and while it's too early to talk about sacking br I'd still stop short of blindly supporting
his every move. I think fsg should be having a strong word in his ear in the morning because we are not good enough.

A team that struggles to score goals like we do should not be conceding as many as we do, that's a simple enough conclusion in my opinion. Until we have the attacking players he so craves, we should place a lot more emphasis on defensive solidity. As this is not the case then only the manager can be blamed.

That said, if fsg really want us to be a top club then they have to §tart behaving like one. Cheap potential is good but there should be a mix of top quality buys to aide help these young lads achieve their potential. Sturridge and Ince are good buys in my opinion but them two alone won't change a thing.

Kenny wasted a lot of money but refusing to spend any more won't help, just look at Randy Learner at villa. That's where we're heading

Finger crossed for 2013

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:37:47
I wonder if this will ever get published 34 mill spent in the summer 1 league goal

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:22:09
Why doesn't everyone stop moaning and get behind OUR team.

Do you think the owners would pour money into a club with pathetic, fickle fans with seemingly no loyalty.

I do hope the sample of Liverpool fans that have wrote on here tonight do not reflect the majority.

JTR

Most teams get bullied at stoke we were no exception lets move on ,
back our team for the next one

Mate, we are all entitled to an opinion.
You might be more patient than most but watching our team capitulate in such a feeble manner is worthy only of contempt. No passion, no fight equals no respect. If all had given 100% then I would be patient. Sadly too many of our lads went through the motions. I'm used to frustration these past few years but yesterday was embarrassing.
We should all remain hopeful, but blind unquestioning loyalty is for fools.

- for those with eyes to see -

Most people do get behind them but seeing them get whacked every other week is not good to see, starting to wonder now as the manner of the defeats are so similar and no lessons learned.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:11:57
I really don't knw what's going wrong YES we have players that are not good enough BUT is there some blame on Rodgers too. Becuz we have some poor players but surely likes of Reina,Johnson,Agger,Skrtel,Gerrard,Lucas,Suarez are good enough to beat Villa and Stoke!
I like rodgers but I dnt knw if its his tactics or just the players but we don't play with no speed or tempo in passing just dabbing around. We need to be smart in our play be direct pass long floated balls and diagnal balls sometimes cuz we're not Barca and its not La Liga its much different more physical with more men behind the ball teams.
Look at Utd they don't play with a specific style just good quick passing with 2 solid wingers with players in attacking areas and in the box as much as possible taking many shots as possible.
Sturridge and Ince are good players but not gamechangers they won't get a winning goal from nothing. But we need a proper ST and no I'm not those clueless fans who think we can get cavani etc.
Someone who will score goals a poacher but also hold the ball linking with Suarez as he always drops deep or wide and NO not carroll he is poor end of!
A Ba or Bony strong fast have all the st attributes or even Hooper look at Jelavic frm the SPL Hooper can make it too, a real poacher.
However I think we need another midfielder someone who can take the Gerrard mantle.
A Attacking playmaker (cazorla/Mata type) OR even a strong powerhouse (Toure/Diame type)
We need some creativity I doubt we can get them but someone like Isco or Errikson and I'm sure we wud b able to sign Valencias Feghouli though.
But if its a strong midfielder someone like Gerrard a box to box someone who can change a game burst through defences we should try Diame or Moussa Sissoko like a Yaya Toure.

However for Jan I would be happy if we get Sturridge, Ince and a ST my choice would be Bony if not then Ba but would still be happy if we get Hooper or Gameiro.

In the summer maybe Rodgers no. 10


F5

F5 good well balanced post and I for one would reinforce your comments.

Colred

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:08:47
Really poor game today and to be fair a few other bad ones during the season. I will admit we looked lost tonight and did not play in a fashion i enjoy watching and i also get nervous wathcing us play teams that press as we look and too frequently do give the ball away in dangerous positions.....

However, I do not agree wit hall the stuff many of you are saying about sacking Rodgers and getting rid of loads of players.
I truly think many of you saying this are obviously passionate about this wonderful team but also completely unrealistic!

We havent been an amazing team for years and to think we were going to soar back to the top of the table is crazy talk!

We are a mid table team this year...last year...etc, but we have a manager, players and history that i believe will bring back some of our more glorious past

If we finish 8th but buy well in summer and this time next year are 4th, 5th or 6th...Job Well Done.

Its hard i know, but give it time and realise we do not have a basic right to be the best just because of our history...we need to work hard

Gareth

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:06:38
Progress? How can this be progress? The odd win against poor teams (all of them below us currently in the table) weighed up against very poor performances and very poor results. The stats don't lie and the league table doesn't lie.

How can anyone call this progress? We put some great performances in last year with the trips to Wembly......and this is progress?

The players today didn't seem to know what they were supposed to do as a team or individually as regards their role in the team. There seemed to be no leadership on or off the field. The players do not seem to be enjoying playing football and for a 'philosophy' based on passing they seem hesitant and give the ball away cheaply. When they do make it into the last third of the pitch there is no support or killer pass for Luis.


Again BR stated that the games over the Xmas period potentially would be winnable and we would move up the table. Why or why does he not learn his lesson and keep quiet. At least he did not say the team were outstanding today!


One or two signings of offensive players will not improve matters as the problems are deeper than lack of a striker. Have the players bought into BRs 'philosophy' really? My feeling is not and we need to open our eyes and not blindly accept that we are a mediocre team. Accepting this will be the next step in the downward spiral.


No more excuses FSG and BR .........


RedDoc

Yeah john henry performed terribly, he didnt even get a hattrick. Terrible. To blame the owners is ridculous

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:03:32
I think the main problem I have with Rodgers is his insistence on playin tippy tappy football ALL THE TIME.

You know what that makes us Bren? PREDICTABLE!

There is a time for tippy tappy and that time is not 1-0 up in your own penalty area!

The team needs variety of style. Play tippy tappy when you're in the opponents half, not in your own penalty area.

We're too predictable, too lightweight, and short on quality.

The manager needs to change or go!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 01:02:58
Terrible result but one ray of light...at least Allen didn't play or it would've been worse!!!


:)

Heads up

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:59:13
They are making you look a weak fool Brendan. It's up to you - are you big enough to stop them? Prove it.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:59:03
Eds please accept my apologies for my rant just about 20 mins ago, I take it you found it abusive and hence not posted it?

In a nutshell, The PLAYERS we have are gutless, pathetic losers.

The real AG

Also criminally overpaid

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:41:10
Villa have been out scored 12 - 0 since their game against Liverpool. Prior to that they were scoreless for 5 games. They torched the Reds for three at Anfield. Stoke, a physical, defensive team, stoked Pool for three today as well.

Do we need additions at forward position? Without a doubt. But what we really need is a defence. Individually, they are all good. Collectively they are disorganized.

I don't know the answers to our problems. I am hoping FSG can buy someone who does.

Canada Red

Zonal marking! don't use it that's the answer!

I have thought this for a while now, and have often questioned why one of the best defenc especially in the league make such horrible mistakes. Overtime we play nobody has any idea what's going on.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:39:09
Laudrup didn't need time, Steve Clarke didn't need time, AVB has Spurs better off than us. Sick of hearing how long Rodgers will take to impose his philosophy, we are playing to his style and it's rubbish.
This is the emperor's new clothes, 180 page dossier my arse, we always played the right way with fooling around on the edge of our own box and losing possession.
Rodgers too inexperienced and no idea how to turn this around, good luck Rafa in catching the Mancs then come back in May, this is no improvement on Dalglish or Hodgson.

There is a difference in being manager of a club like the baggies though.

I rate them but the pressure if far less as the expectation are also far less.

As for spurs...how much mony did he get to buy players with? He was basically given full rights to players he wanted.

Rodgers got told he had some cash, yes and you may or may not think he spent wisely, but he also had a striker taken off him last minute with pretense that he would have another...but did not

gareth

Im i the only person that does not think rafa was a god for us?

I remember he had good access to great players and we had some great signings under him, but we also lost a lot of games we shouldnt and we had plenty of hit and miss games

Gareth

I'd have that!

Anybody suitable is welcome.

Gareth, that's why FSG should have appointed a proven manager with broad shoulders. They didn't, they want everything on the cheap, including players (wages compared to top 4) and this is what you get.

Ozone

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:36:16
I know people are disappointed... But under BR we will win the league in Three years... I can guarantee it! He is doing what I do in football manager! You sell all your older players and buy kids... You struggle for a couple of years but then the boys turn to men and you win!!

In BR and FM2013 we trust.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:31:41
The facts speak for themselves - Liverpools total number of wins against teams in the top half of the Premiership this season, including home and away fixtures is exactly zero.

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:28:23
Rebuttal to Apologists:

1) our expectations are too high: really? I wonder why that is. Could it be our chairman saying top 4 is vital? But what does he know about football? Well perhaps it's our manager who not so long ago said we could finish in the top 2!

2) we should always back the manager and give him time: really? And where were you when Roy Hodgson had almost identical record to Rodgers after half a season? Were you all on the back Roy bus? I doubt you'll admit where you were.

3) we'll be better after January: really? Perhaps you were the ones saying before the Villa game that there is no reason we can't win our next 6 games.

Face facts, Rodgers has had 19 games and if anything he's taken us backwards. At this rate we'll do well to finish in the top half. If FSG really want to stick with failure then they wouldn't have sacked our last 2 managers after a bad half season. Failure to pick up 3 points at QPR will be followed by Sunderland and Man United.

Rodgers is under a lot of pressure!

You could see how much pressure he's under now by his eye's in the interview after the game!

He is rubbish

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:22:21
Am not interested in how young our team is or how great our academy is..progress should be judged by the league table and we are 10th after 19 league games that isn't good enough.stop the talk and walk the walk. You wasted 30mil on players who haven't made us better see how swansea,westbrom improved their squad with less.now janaury is here and you still want to waste majority of your january budget on sturridge and ince.when we should be after bargains in the transfer market

We are now a midtable team act like it stop throwing money around for overpriced players,be smart in the transfer market and get players who would improve us immediately don't be dumb and spend 11m on a player and say GIVE HIM TIME

We are just making an easy job look hard..the money is there the personnel arent

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:18:25
What's the issue with Sterling? Since he signed the contract he's the bench?!! Also not getting the rave reviews about Suso. I think Brendan will get the mix right but we need to sort out the midfield. Too many options, changed too frequently. The defence have no cover and the attackers get no support. Progression lies in continuity and familiarity. You maybe a better player than your rival (Lucas) but if the team are winning, leave the team alone!!

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:16:41
I simply have had a gutful of pepe reina in goals he's useless. The sooner we get rid of him the better. He doesn't move anymore, we might as well drill a plank of wood in goals and paint number 1 on the back with some eyes. The mans a waste of a player. IM LIVID.

Well said my friend. Our league position for the past two years is mostly because of him. He is utter useless

Yes your right, Walters took 30 seconds to open his body for the shot telling Reina exactly what corner he was going for. Basic goalkeeping. He didn't even move off his line to reduce the size of the target. He's one of the worst goalkeepers in the league at the moment in afraid.

Ozone

27 Dec 2012 14:40:56
Totally agree with you Ozone,i was saying this to my cousin last night.
Walters would most probably scored anyway,but Reina made no attempt to close him down.
We really need a change,and i think it should start with him.
I also blame him for Bentekes goal.
I'm not going to slag him off,or call him deadwood because he's been magnificent for us,i simply think it's time he moved on.
WelshBoyDave

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:08:50
In fact I will rant a little bit more from my post of half an hour or so ago. I was a soldier. And my regiment - 1MERCIAN (Cheshire) is currently in 'ghan. They know what team work is. They are fighting every day. Not for their Queen, not for their country - but for their mates and for their cap badge. And they are doinf that for 400 quid a week before stoppages. Then youy have that bunch of Ronald McDonald lightweights, who aren't prepared to put a shift in on Boxing Day, swan about like a bunch of cry-babies, think they are hard done to because they can't have a bevvy during the Xmas period and have to get by on more money in a week than my comrades earn in 5 years watching their mates die in the dust. They were a disgrace to taht badge today. A disgrace to the club, a disgrace to each other. and I bet they didn't even feel ashamed. Rodgers was red-eyed for a reason - he knows he is going nowhere with that shower. There's better in his cat's tray. I have never been this annoyed with them in 50 years. Wasters. (except Suarez - who seems resigned to the fact that if he doesn't do it no one else can be bothered,) RED LENIN.

What a shout Red Lenin! Hats off to you!

Gotta be agreed mate. Simply not acceptable. Not up for it.

I can't listen to the excuses anymore, it's too painful.

A club going NOWHERE!!!!

Listen up FSG

Where I kind of agree with the point your trying to make, killing people for your mates is just plain wrong.

Top shout Red Lenin, those brave boys and girls out there fighting in the dust should be held up as a example to each and every LFC player. Does YNWA mean nothing to this group of players?

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:01:51
hi eds and fellow reds apart from saurez tonight a real gutless performance from us tonight i really hope fsg pump a decent bit of cash into this team in january and its alot more than sturridge and ince we need to have any chance getting a top 4 we are now 8 points behind 4th which is not out of reach but we badly need some steel in this team and br needs to come up with a alternative plan to this so called tika taka football its not effective enough against teams like stoke and the like who are big strong lads,well beat tonight cant even put a run of wins together very disappointed but i still believe maybe cause i am a dreamer.ray

 

 

27 Dec 2012 00:00:56
People slating brendan need to understand, he put out the same winning team as the last game and that also this loss was solely down to an overall poor performance and lack of urgency, Suarez may be our key player but he needs to learn to look up and take note of other players, over time more chemistry will build between our forwards and that's when the goals will start flooding in, we have a promising future and we just have to be patient, YNWA, JK95

I like that you're tryin to spin this positivley but I think we all need a realty check.

For those who are negatively bias, yep or team isnt going top 4 soon but at least it's better than the end part of Rafa's reign, all of Woy's weign and most of Kenny's.

For those of you positively bias, accept it's no-where near a Top 4 team. We are not going to attract Cavani or Telllo without results and we need to start taking 3 pionts against lower teams to be taken seriously.

I like BR's setup- very pleasing on the eye. But I need him to have an alternative setup to win games in the prem.

I don't need die-hard fans telling me i'm not a fan for saying that, I'll still sing my heart out.

We may have beaten fulham but fulham were an absolute shambles

 

 

26 Dec 2012 23:54:59
We leak far too many goals. Is there any sign of strengthening our defence?

We leak goals because of Brendan's tactics, not because of personnel.

To the second poster... Really its all Brendan's fault is it?
It was Brendan who slipped was it?
It was Brendan who was not marking at a corner was it?
It was Brendan who could not deal with a flicked on header was it?
Dont always go for the manager when we play poorly.....
Last night those players were a disgrace and they owe the fans and Rodgers a performance not just for the next game but for the next ten games....
I am sick of fans berating managers when the players get off scot free.
You could have Mourinho in charge but the players still have do it on the pitch.
jonnybarnes89-90

 

 

26 Dec 2012 23:49:03
allowing jonjo to play as an attacking mid and not tracking back is making us look very weak in mid, while defending. i assume the point of a front three is to have three in mid covering the backline.

in games where we have played a defensive mid behind two central midfielders we look so much more solid. when w eplay two DM and then an att mid, the coverage looks so much weaker. lucas, allen, gerrard would be much better combo. this would allow wingers to support further up and gives runners behind defences.

suarez again too greedy tonight, downing suso shelvey not ballsy enough.

disappointed but optimistic red.

 

 

26 Dec 2012 23:41:11
Just back from the match.. Very poor.
Stevie G was awful. We looked disjointed. How does Joe Cole get a game ? Sterling looked like a child against men.
Never seen a liverpool side not look like a team as bad as tonight.
The atmosphere was fierce and our lot looked scared

Sterling looked like a boy against men? What kind of statement is that.. Of course he did he's only just turned 18.

AndyKopLiverpool

I agree re. sterling. Happened a lot this year. Great potential but at the mo? Very over hyped.

Well if he is AndyKop why has he just got himself a 50000 a week contract if he cant cope with the premiership? Pathetic. He needs a kick up the arse and needs to realise the privileged situation he's in. pure arrogance. As much as I hate to say it old bacon face would not have offered him this contract yet.

He didn't go looking for the ball- I was watching him off the ball and he was not keen to try and get the ball back or bothered to get in space if we got the ball.
Suarez got booed and constant abuse but went looking for the ball all the time... He looked p.... Off that the team were off the pace.
Enrique also looked annoyed that no one seemed to be up for the fight.

 

 

 
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