Liverpool Banter Archive February 27 2013

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27 Feb 2013 23:43:50
Well we have been linked with Ben Arfa of N'castle wether its true or not I dunno.
He is a awesome player and he & Suarez are the best dribblers in the league!
is a similar type like suarez in terms of quick feet dribbling etc.
Has a great left foot.
Could see him link well with Suarez.
However the issue is that he is very very injury prone!
Hes always out with injuries and also he did break his leg a couple years ago.
He has just 13 PL apps so far out of 27 I think.
That's less than half.
Last season he made 26 PL apps out of a possible 38
12 games missing
Its ok if its like less than 10 games he misses BUT he is always injured at some point every season.
He would miss like 1/3 of games!

I would prefer as most people would, for LFC to go for Mertens!
But there are many good attackers out there we could afford in likes of the dutch league.

Anyway I'm no way saying its possible but I'm saying that if it was a Carroll swap deal
Players like Cabaye & Sissoko would be great.
But very very unlikely!

F5

Ben Arfa is a luxury player and well suited to the barcodes part time football team. The last thing we need is a part time crock.
Agree on Mertens being spot on for a front 3 alongside Suarez and Sturridge.

I'm quite happy with Coutinho at this stage. Let's give him some time, yeh?

If Rogers and co are watching a lot of PSV games then surely they have been looking at Mertens he has been by far the best player for them this season and last. Any one agree?

jackson8787

Mertens is a good player but we will more than likey pass again like we usually do with top players and buy some young dross like Shelvey and the likes.

27 Feb 2013 23:38:06
just a thought what do u guys think of making suarez captain next season? to try convince him to stay? same kinda thing happned to gerrard when we gave it to him to keep him from leaving! i'd do it gerrard obv isn't going anywhere now!

I'm not normally prone to cynicism but I think we may have to accept that that would be too late, particularly considering Pep's appointment, his brother's role and BMs alleged warchest

Bayern are buying lewandowski or falcao

27 Feb 2013 23:16:42
Does anybody know where to watch the Luis Suarez programme that aired tonight? I haven't got sky : (

RedRocket

Most interviews have been seen before mate havnt missd much. MATTYLFC

27 Feb 2013 21:23:00
All this talk about Suarez going or staying is a bit premature. Nothing can happen at the minute. Also whatever happens the club will always be bigger than one player.

27 Feb 2013 21:19:48
I have a friend in leeds saying Aiden White may leave. Possible back up plan for de vrig

How can he be a back up for de vrij. aiden white is a left back and de vrij is a central defender

27 Feb 2013 21:16:45
Suarez is not leaving, it's all lirs, LFC are taking bold to court over false statements. {Ed002's Note - I agree, it is the lirs.}

Its all lirs I tell ya! Dam u lirs!

27 Feb 2013 21:16:22
Question for eds,

Someone mentioned Toby Alderweireld in a post a few days ago and the response was likely to go to Spurs to replace Gallas. Any reason behind why not likely to go to Liverpool, meaning Liverpool don't rate him, he has already talked preference for Spurs? just looking for clarification.

Thanks.

Lee in Philly {Ed002's Note - Spurs has an interest. Livepool doesn't.}

This young lad is a class act and will be great for the future, yet again we will let him slip past and buy some dross.

27 Feb 2013 22:59:25
London red mate it depends on player ambition, if Suarez wants to waste his time and peak for club whose motive is to buy young players and finish midtable then he will stay for years, if he wants to win trophys and play in highest level as shankly once said footy is all about winning trophys then Liverpool is not the place for him!

You can't compare anyone with Gerrard, Gerrard has already won every trophy except league title, any player who wants to win trophys and play in highest level then Liverpool is a backward step for their carrer.

Liverpool policy is to buy young players that means will take years to compete for champions league trophys and league titles, don't forget Liverpool have always wasted players talent and peak for years.

Fowler one of the best players ever to play in epl era and his still the highest scorer then any player in epl era didn't win any major trophy in his carrer, that's just one example, I can give you million example how Liverpool have always wasted players talent in their prime.

Gerrard one of the best player ever to grace epl the biggest shame will be when great one retires without winning league title, that will be the biggest shame for Liverpool fc.

I can't understand how you see us as a mid table team?

I generally think we have a extremely good squad with a good manager. Sturridge is what we needed at the start because he has been brilliant. Have we lost when he's started? Either way if we keep our team now and sort out the back and keep Lucus fit there is no way you cannot say we're easily a top 4 team.

Sturridge and suarez have been telepathic. Gerard and Lucus well Gerard is just pure class and so is Lucus. Johnson England's right back as well as agger being one of the best cb in the league we are right up there.

I generally think we still have a fighting chance of top 4 with sturridge. That west brom game we would of destroyed them if you swap shelvey for sturridge.

London red

28 Feb 2013 00:48:33
No chance for Liverpool finishing in top4 anytime soon, this season was the best chance to grab top4, this arsenal team is the weakest in 17 years and still they are above us like 8-12 points, spurs & chelsea are not consistant enough or else arsenal wouldn't even have sniff at top4 but we squanderd our chance whenever teams above us were losing we couldn't take advantage in fact we got worse and team above us took full advantage.

Next year the league is going to get tougher all teams above us will strengthen their side chelsea will not struggle like this season in fact abramovich will continue spending and get any world class manager like always he does no new there, Arsenal again will strengthen their side, same with spurs.

I can't see john w henry giving easy money to rodgers after the way his money has been wasted, so will be sell to buy for Liverpool oh and more youngsters, so forget top4 anytime soon.

There is a saying that you don't win anything with kids what makes you think we will

Arsenal before, had one of the best academy in england and same philosophy but massively failed and the effect is that 7-9 years without trophy

Barca have one of the best academy in world football still buy class players every year to be competitive don't forget barca have young players who would walk in to Liverpool side without any problem but again the same reason is you don't win anything with kids you need experience and money, sad thing is every Liverpool manager has wasted our owners money now they won't give more money in fact rodgers will need to sell players to generate money in order to continue buying youngsters! That's how bad situation is next season everything will be clear.

The guy posted above. u fail to ealise how was this season for us to get top4. when we beagn to implement totaly new style of football with new managers. I seriously guess u have no clue what u talk about. spurs inconsistent thensurelu u don't have football brains 12gmaes unbeaten is inconsistent. its just they have well gelled up team with many experienced players. its just they got new manager and so his style of playing is as same as the previous one. and please v got deadwood removed from wage bill. now look at the players v have. what v lack is consisteny. that will come with time. u don't get that in 1year. if u forget if u go back 3-4 year spurs where the same. so please if u want to slate the club go on. people with real football know how long it takes its not a overnight job. my only concern is"suarez" should not leave agree no player is biggger than club. but he is a back bone of our growth currentyl. so replacing will be way to difficult.

A famous Liverpool saying was Liverpool football club exist for one thing and that is to win trophys enough said ynwa

Speculate to accumulate, if we continue to by horse meat players then the beef players will be bought by someone else.

Next season is the season for the owners to put up or sell up, we can't keep buying dross year in year out.

Quality players will only stop around for so long on promises and false hope then they will wisen up and be off to another club.

Then were back to another rebuilding scenario, jeez its so simple its untrue lol

27 Feb 2013 21:23:00
All this talk about Suarez going or staying is a bit premature. Nothing can happen at the minute. Also whatever happens the club will always be bigger than one player.

My friend agree with u that no player is bigger than club. but u fail to realize is that he is our central core or u can say the back bone of our growth what v r getting very slowly. if u remove that. m sorry to say but v will be in a worst situation in the coming next season what v r now. So team is slowly progressing. but v need consistency and positive and winning mental attitude and yes surely suarez to be honest. at the end all of us fans who slate the club manager or players or all the fans who support just wants oyr club to progress.

27 Feb 2013 21:19:48
I have a friend in leeds saying Aiden White may leave. Possible back up plan for de vrig

27 Feb 2013 21:16:45
Suarez is not leaving, it's all lirs, LFC are taking bold to court over false statements. {Ed002's Note - Lirs?}

Lirs is a mischievous Swedish man cooking up all these Suarez exit rumours

It's always Lirs!

Lirs Smoekescreinen, he's Finnish, actually. A sports journalist from the 'Helsinki Times' who just pops up everywhere there is mention of Liverpool FC. Not once has he made a correct call on a player moving from club to club. I find it baffling this man still has a job.

He is leaving.

Lirs Poopenrumour

Isn't he the drummer in Metallica?

27 Feb 2013 21:03:14
Just want to lighten the Suarez talk. What are those 'half coconut with a straw' drinks I keep seeing him and Lucas drinking?
It seems to make them play better so maybe they should roll them out through the squad?!?

27 Feb 2013 20:57:08
Ken Aguero tweeted the following this morning - "Comings/Goings at Anfield summer. Many out, some surprises. In - big big signing up front. A LB/LCD. A RB/Utility def. All lined up. ". As for credibility? He tweeted Jack Robinson woulf be off on loan over a month ago. Lo and behold.

27 Feb 2013 22:48:02
Luis Suarez has spent the last 2 years learning English and now speaks Spanish, Dutch and English and has no desire, to now start learning German.
Can't say I blame him.
If and when he eventually leaves Liverpool it will be to Spain.
Personally can't see that happening for at least another season.
Someone made a good point earlier, it looks like he's already been earmarked for the vice captains job which in actual fact he's perfect for.

27 Feb 2013 22:46:38
Kenny Dalglish.

Bob Paisley.

27 Feb 2013 22:37:23
Suarez will stay at Anfield for next season
Fellaini will move to a London club next season
Bale will move to Spain within 2 years
Torres will be back in Spain next season
Liverpool will finish in top four next season
Rodgers is the real deal

Red Custard

Bale will end up at Old Toilet if they cannot re sign Ronaldo.

27 Feb 2013 20:05:39
I was just watching the game Liverpool vs zenith

luis suarez after the second goal

he plays for our shirt. and that's the difference.
sometimes money can't buy certain things.

the coomentry said it all. ". there is nothing this guy can't do. 25 yards. it had power. pace. and boy it curved in. "

Most admirable commentry. when he scored the goal against newcastle.

". and that's the touch of a genius. "

27 Feb 2013 19:59:09
Remember when clubs in the champions league were in for agger skrtel suarez and co last summer window?

What happened? They signed new contracts so calm ya self and stay on your own page trolls!

27 Feb 2013 19:41:02
Nice touch bringing 1st team to Academy. This I'm sure will give boost to younger players and give added impetus to them along with the challenge set down by the senior players.
Red Knight

27 Feb 2013 18:47:23
Where on earth is this Suarez leaving talk coming from?

CodeRed

The ever reliable press pfffft

27 Feb 2013 18:42:57
Everyone flapping about a article that has been mis quoted today in the press will be put at ease tonight when the man himself gives an interview on LFCTV at 10. 15 relax people Suarez is going nowhere. Some folk having been saying now for a long time he's of and he's still playing in red. green eyed monsters that's all.

gee man

27 Feb 2013 17:39:35
Can I just say Joao Teixeira is outplaying everyone at the academy at the moment. He deserves his debut this season, a 5 minute cameo or a just the experience of sitting on the bench.

With Borini out and Suso's drop in form he should get a spot on the bench, it will motivate him further as well as Suso to get his spot back.

27 Feb 2013 18:27:57
I think all the youngest should be given the chance to bed in now. We have nothing to play for so the experience they will gain would be beneficial moving into next season.

Nothing to play for?

I agree youngsters need a start, but nothing to play for? Are you unaware of the europa league and CL (least likely)?

27 Feb 2013 19:51:40
We shouldn't repeat our mistakes, look what happen with sterling before playing in our first xi they need to be loaned to epl team to get experience and mentally ready. United always loan their youngsters to midtable teams welbeck or cleverly are big example

27 Feb 2013 17:11:12
The small time manager Rodgers will not attract any top players. Most will think: Who?

He has already lost Suarez and Skertl.

Past Glory

I wonder how much of your Sign off name matches your personality!

Indian with Red Heart

"He has already lost Suarez and Skrtel. " So you make something up out of thin air. and then criticise Rodgers over it! Do you not see how backwards that is? I feel sorry for your badly-neglected brain

Shame he doesn't also loose so called supporters like you. If you can't support the manager, players and the club, don't post rubbish on here and go and support the Mancs!

Past glory there replacement are way better. Messi for Suarez and Ronald for skertle, it been Ronald's dream to play as a centre back, but no one was willing to give him his chance.

This was where Rafa was successful. Players wanted to come to Liverpool because of his stature. Dalglish had stature because he was a great player. Rodgers has potential but no record. Nothing proven. A bit of a gamble by FSG.
You maybe looking at a long period of mid-table.

Joe

I think Past Glory is fond of a wind up and fair play to him/her/it - surprised so many fell for it myself - i'd be on other clubs pages too if I could generate this type of reaction.

He did get them to SIGN contracts. They knew what direction Liverpool and Brendan were going in, and committed.

OP MANC ALERT!

28 Feb 2013 02:31:09
@joe: yep, dalglish attracted top top talent.

who's the manager that got suarez scoring like it's holland?

27 Feb 2013 16:51:33
Let's just be real for a second.

Hatem Ben Arfa - Very good player, but not needed at Liverpool, unless we were to get rid of somebody else from midfield.

Luis Suarez - Isn't going anywhere just yet! 1 more season under Brendan might go for us or against us. If Liverpool finish top 4 next season, Suarez stays and we can start to attract some bigger names once again. If we don't finish top 4, maybe Suarez would have a great season again, and we could get even more money for him.

Big Red

Sell downing, and then get Ben arfa

27 Feb 2013 16:44:23
So some news outlets are reporting that Suarez said if B Munich put an offer in he will speak to them to hear what they have to say, not saying he will go but will talk to them.

If that's the case we need to get more for hm then we did for Torres. A shame if he has said that as we have stuck behind him through all the crap but no player is bigger than the club.

Means LFC need to pull their finger out this summer or we will defo be a mid-table team for a while!

Don't criticise suarez for wanting to move on. He hasn't sulked at all and has carried Liverpool this year. He could play for any team in the world

Isn't Suarez agent peps brother, if so it might be possible that he ends up at Bayern Munich

We shouldn't be unhappy with him if he wants to play at the top level. Then get a big sum of money, wish him well and move on.

Suarez has carried us this year.
He has done his best.
He knows that he can get money anywhere, but at 26, can he wait for an uncertain Liverpool.
His loyalty to the club is without question.
If he wants to win things, he will have to move on. Albeit reluctantly.

Viva Suarez, companeiro.

FRED

27 Feb 2013 15:07:56
Hi eds, fantastic work with the site.
I appreciate the summer is a way off yet but of course scouts are working throughout the season. Now, ed002 has suggested that perhaps rodgers may not have too much money to spend. But this does not mean we can't bring in quality.
Both Coutinho and Sturridge were bought in as players who were out of the first 11 at their clubs and commanded low fees. Both of whom have shown promise and ability since joining.
I am by no means suggesting we buy 'cast-offs' or 'rejects', far from it but a few more players like these two in the summer and I'll be happy.
Thanks,
Puzzled Red {Ed002's Note - What I have said is that you can expect sales to fund much of the purchases this summer.}

Outs could be:
Carroll 17m
Suarez 50m
Borini 8m
Coates 6m
Skrtel 15m
Reina 15m
Downing 8m
Assaidi 5m
Plus spearing carra and a few it the young players.

I don't think we will be stuck for cash this summer to be honest. There is going to be a mad turnover of players

27 Feb 2013 15:07:11
I don't want you to name figures Eds, but how much healthier are the finances of the club right now? Are we close to breaking even each year or is it a case of we shall see at the end of the financial year?

Also financially speaking what club/league are the healthiest in europe? Bundesliga and Bayern I assume?

Cheers in advance {Ed002's Note - There will havebeen an improvement but the club remains lossmaking still. Manchester United hs the healthiest financial position.}

Ed are you having a laugh. I know utd make a lot of money but their debt piles must be weighing them down {Ed002's Note - NO, they are in great shape.}

Maybe its time to do a Man U and float the club, especially if it will generate 500-600 mill.

Im sure these are the figures that should be realised, and then keep FSG as the main stockholders to run things as shareholders see fit.

Its a shame Those persons Moores and Parry never took the initiative alll those years ago when LFC were the biggest thing in European football.

Nevermind.

27 Feb 2013 14:47:31
Just wondering if any of you so called supporters were in suarez's shoes would you leave? I certainly wouldn't If I was that good of a footballer I would stay at Liverpool no matter what so when everyone says money talks and all that not when your some millionaire anyway!?

Londonred

I wouldn't leave because my team I've supported all my life! But Suarez would probably fancy at least a few seasons of champions league.

The majority of players don't walk for money mate, they walk because they want to better themselves and go to clubs that win trophys regular

If that was true why did Gerrard not leave? Fair enough he's a scouser but look at agger the guy loves the club. Alonso would love to finish off his career with us and suarez seems to be the same

Londonred

27 Feb 2013 21:44:07
London red mate it depends on player ambition, if Suarez wants to waste his time and peak for club whose motive is to buy young players and finish midtable then he will stay for years, if he wants to win trophys and play in highest level as shankly once said footy is all about winning trophys then Liverpool is not the place for him!

You can't compare anyone with Gerrard, Gerrard has already won every trophy except league title, any player who wants to win trophys and play in highest level then Liverpool is a backward step for their carrer.

Liverpool policy is to buy young players that means will take years to compete for champions league trophys and league titles, don't forget Liverpool have always wasted players talent and peak for years.

Fowler one of the best players ever to play in epl era and his still the highest scorer then any player in epl era didn't win any major trophy in his carrer, that's just one example, I can give you million example how Liverpool have always wasted players talent in their prime.

Gerrard one of the best player ever to grace epl the biggest shame will be when great one retires without winning league title, that will be the biggest shame for Liverpool fc.

Londonred

Wasn't Gerrard about to leave to Chelsea until a gang of balaclava clad men broke into his house and threatened to shoot him in the foot with a shotgun? (allegedely)

HBadger {Ed002's Note - That will be Waro and his buddies.}

Fower didn't win anything was it all a dream?

27 Feb 2013 14:43:28
So, Real Madrid are now interested in Suarez. Now there's one club he will definately not turn down. Bye bye Luis, thank-you for the memories.

And to make it worst is that roanldo going back to Manchester United **** but I hate lift wheres me pills

27 Feb 2013 11:26:12
Hey Ed's, great site, is there any chance of FSG selling the club in the summer? thanks {Ed002's Note - See previous answers please.}

27 Feb 2013 11:08:30
Hi Eds is mathias suarez still a target for us, I now he came close to moving to cska but his statistics the 2011-2012 season were phenominal, played 45 scored 20 and 19 assists

cheers REDAN {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of interest at this time.}

27 Feb 2013 11:00:18
Hi Ed002!. I wanted to ask this question from so long but certain recent posts just drove me to squeeze some time out and ask right away!

Why this perception now that Liverpool can't attract certain players? Okay- no CL qualification from last 3-4 years but then:

1) Is NewCastle United a better club/project/ prospect than LFC to attract players as Ben Arfa, Debuchy, Cabaye etc.

2) Is Tottenham a better package as a club now than LFC because being a London based club?

3) Does being in CL for a couple of years of one club weighs much more than all the history, trophies, global brand etc of LFC?

Just looking for rational replies and I understand that being LFC supporter I may be biased and still live in the past but surely when we talk about big clubs category of Real Madrid, AC Milan, Barcelona, Man United, Bayern Munich in the same breath we include Liverpool!

Its going to take years and decades for likes of Tottenham to join the elite club then how are they a better/attractive package to likes of Holtby, Modric, Damaio, Alderwield etc. They don't offer better wages than LFC. They are still not consistent enough to be considered top 4 club in PL though they have been very competitive in recent years. They don't have so called world class players which attract other "Marquee" players to play alongside them.

On a better reasoning, I can accept Arsenal to be better package than LFC but certainly not Tottenham/Newcastle etc.

Indian with Red Heart {Ed002's Note - I am not sure why you have that perception, but all of the Newcastle player and Spurs players you have mentioned did not move to those clubs over Liverpool, as Liverpool showed no interest nor made bids for them. Playing in the Champions League is of course something all players would like to do.}

Hey Ed 02. Probably my post projected the way that its my personal perception. But No! I was arguing about the sake of general perception of LFC supporters out here on this page. I know we have under performed from last couple of years but 2009 is not that distant memory when we got enough points to win PL since its advent.

Just to summarize and to know your personal take on it since I really appreciate your inputs and replies on this page.

a) what's your view if LFC and other clubs mentioned had gone for same set of players?

b) What factors you think would have tilted in other clubs favor?

c) Do you personally see this season as a progress in footballing terms for LFC?

Banter for banter sake! Please reply if you find the subject comfortable.

Indian with Red Heart {Ed002's Note - (a) It is really impossible for me to say what those players would have decided should Liverpool have made offers matching those of Newcastle or Spurs. Sylvain Marveaux was going to move to Liverpool but was unhappy with a revised offer from the club so he moved to Newcastle - that is about as close as I can come. (b) There are all sorts of factors that can influence transfers - wages, signing on fees, relocation deals, length of contract etc.. (c) My fear would be that if Rodgers left a new manager coming in would not want the bunch of players that the club now has - and who were bought to play in a style that Rodgers himself prefers.}

So spurs have been a top 4 club 2/3 seasons and we're not a top club in the PL, you really are silly!

When you say Newcastle can attract big players like Ben Arfa, Debuchy and Cabaye:

Ben Arfa was injured for most of his time in France which I why they picked him up on the cheap.

Debuchy is average at best and had fallen down the pecking order at Lille due to the manager being unhappy about his move to Newcastle

And Cabaye is just a hidden gem. HAd anyone heard of him before he moved?

27 Feb 2013 16:33:09
I think we are in a gr8 position regarding suarez. Bayern Madrid barca and all d hollow clubs like city and Chelsea will want him. We would get a massive fee. But I would be so gutted if he were to go. he's prob d best player in Europe rite now. he's actually one of the best players I've ever seen at lfc. a swap with falcao would only do me. Very important summer for us. The gap ain't that big right now just a few results didn't go our way but those teams above will strengthen aswell as teams around us.
5 gold stars

27 Feb 2013 19:51:59
you are 5 gold star.
the next star you see is look at top. in the sky.

27 Feb 2013 16:31:46
Reasons suarez MAY stay :

. he claims he is at his 'dream club'
. supported Liverpool as a kid used to play video games as them dreaming he could play for us
. he states his family are happy at Liverpool and so is he.
And he must know we ARE a team that is improving slowly but surely, with the addition of sturridge I think it puts a lot of pressure of him and he KNOWS he will become a Liverpool legend if he stays even a premier league legend.

Reasons he MAY leave:
. Higher wages
. Champions league football

I believe he will stay as he claims he is happy here and so is his family, and he loves Liverpool fc, and after everything bad in the press us Liverpool fans have backed him the whole way and so has BR, he have stuck by him so I believe if he is loyal he will stick by us. only the summer will tell.

Big R

Don't think wages are high on the agenda for Suarez, he makes a ton of money anyway, not like he's busking on Bold Street in the summer is it? Champions League is what it's all about. Suarez loves his football, obviously wants to be successful and is in the prime of his career. unfortunately we, as a club, are not in our prime. If he leaves it will be sad but not unexpected, and I'd wish him the best wherever he moved too. as long as it wasn't another English team.

SMc

27 Feb 2013 15:33:40
Its pretty simple and clear.
BR will get another season. for sure.
the owners will back him not much. but am sure. 2 signings might come in. irrespective of any out goings.

He has a big task cut out.
no more blame excuse will work out coming season.
we can't afford to loose more grounds on CL next season. we must be in top 4.

I would like the owners and BR standing firm on suarez. No matter how much we are tempeted. he must stay.

we would need a strong start to next season.
and new players will eventually take some time to settle in.
so players who are with our club. shouldn't be sold.

I would expect downing to move and so Borini.
Lets be honest. downing was not bought to track back and have some decent game.

Every club possess top winger, execpt Liverpool.

10 mill or above. he must be shipped.

Borini is a debate.
I am not convinced at all.
We do have yougsters of his quality already in ourn academy, If so why did we bought him is beyond me.

A very good right sided striker who can hit atleast 10 goals a season will do it. for 10 mill.

We are already over crowded in midfield.
and if people demands extra midfileder is not intellegent.

On anyday. gerrard can replace lucas in midfield.
in such situation allen and henderson should step up.

Defence is a worrying factor.
But I would like to give skertel and agger another year.
They have been with us from quiet long time and have a very good understandding.
We have already learned a very good lesson in bringing average defenders to our club (coates)

one more defender should be bought. someone with experience.

Players I would love to see.

turan / mertens (either one would bang atleast 5-7 assist and 5-10 goals a season)

I haven't found a right sided quality striker with in our budget.

Top 4 on any season requires 70 points.
and for that we need a strong squad to beat all the top 6 teams at home and get decent results away.

Lets be Optimistic and roll on for the most important season ahead.

CL is the goal.

Next season will determine the quality of our manager.

harry scousser
YNWA

''I haven't found a right sided quality striker with in our budget. ''

Classic, I couldn't stop laughing. When you do ''find a player within our budget'' will you drop it into B. R on a post-it for him to take a look at.

27 Feb 2013 19:55:21
common 8 disagree?
that was one of ma best post.
seems people will be happy with a 8th position coming season too.
coz. my post just had one meaning. CL next season.

27 Feb 2013 14:22:57
Eds I just wanna be sure; do u think the reported Lionel Messi 'fever' have anything to do with the Real hammering and CR7 overshadowing him.
BB

27 Feb 2013 14:08:07
Apologies Ed's, just seen my post to the Juicer from last night, I only visit the banter page normally. Just thought I would check rumours aswell and there it was. Thanks

Waro {Ed001's Note - that's ok mate, I just never realised it was in reply to a banter post. I should have checked, I normally do.}

No problem, thanks Ed001.

Waro

27 Feb 2013 13:40:02
I don't understand why people keep slating downing! I am starting to rate him as one of our most influential players!. though is funny to see how much he presses and wants to be on the ball now compared to last season or the beginning of this one lol. as for suarez I don't beleive for one second he wants to leave he loves the club and the fans! it was only 3 weeks ago he came out saying he doesn't want to leave even if we don't qualify for champions league! however I think a offer the owners can't refuse will come in for him! so I wouldn't be suprised if he leaves but he certainly doesn't want out! overall I think BR is starting prove his critics wrong I have never seen the reds play such entertaining football as this! I am only 20 so I wouldn't of seen anything before the premier league lol I know i'm tired of hearing it and saying it. but we have had so many games we should have won and the luck hasn't gone our way but BR is starting to drill a winning mentality into the players and I for one am really optimistic! come on you reds YNWA! ps how boring are weekends when we don't play : (

KOPCASTLE

27 Feb 2013 13:00:14
Message for Luis Suarez: Eden Hazard joined CL winners Chelsea last summer and now the way there playing there's a good chance he won't be playing in CL next season.

He can leave if he wants. He has done great things for Liverpool that will allow Liverpool to get great money for him

27 Feb 2013 12:51:50
You can buy 2 or 3 strikers with the Luis Suarez money, but they all together still won't be able to replace the things he does on and off the pitch.

27 Feb 2013 12:39:06
I hear people mope abt top four will we make won't we.
All well and good, but what makes me sad is our fans, they are calling us a mid table team, perhaps, we are no. 7 currently or thereabout so its fairly accurate.

what makes me sad is how ppl, are resign to losing Suarez, if he chooses to leave i'll be very pissed.
Not like F9T but more, he is the best at being Suarez, Sanchez is not Suarez messi, isn't Suarez, it takes time to bed players into a team. we shld fight and retain and add to our squad not sell to buy what we hope will be a good fit.
He is here, he is delivering get him support. what wld makes us a small club, or suckers is selling him and saying or well look how much they gave us, let's go shopping.

if we need money, sell Shelvey, sell downing they are tonnes of replacement in our reserves, what we don't have is a Suarez, in the World. Its just him. the Fighting spirit, the energy, mental strength ( I mean the man has played alsmost all our games), passion. His love for Fergie and ManU.

Lets not sell him period and buy all them fancy guyz Sanchez and them and u'll see Suarez will gt even better. And we will probably Knock somebody off his perch.

Red Ron

No point in not looking at what may be unpalatable, the fact is we are a mid table team that has gone backwards under BR

Is there light at the end of the tunnel notsofar

Hey but who knows

Could someone please translate the above post.

I don't think many WANT to sell Suarez.
I think what people fear (or foresee) is an offer coming in which turns his head. What if HE wants to go? What do you do? No good keeping an unhappy player - in that scenario you squeeze every last penny out of the buying club. But let's hope he doesn't want to go no matter who comes in for him

He is a great player but ajax got rid because he missed a lot of games due to a ban and last year he missed a lot of games for us if he was on the pitch then we may have done a lot better and kk may have been ok, I think he is great but fsg may see his age fits their sell by date

27 Feb 2013 20:00:56
no one wants shelvey and downing.
the only player currently who can attract 50 mill is suarez.
and its coz. he is genius. not coz. he served 8 game ban.
he is not a striker nor a winger.
he is footballer. who can score 2o goals all season with an average team. and assist too.
If he plays in any top team with top players. he would score at least 35 goals.
the lad is pure quality.

27 Feb 2013 12:36:26
Up until 2009, if you'd asked me who should succeed Gerrard as Captain, I'd have said Reina. Up until last thursday, if you'd asked me the same question, I'd have said Lucas or Agger.

However, after the passion Suarez displayed after his second freekick flew in, I have to say Suarez.

The way he threw his arms up and roared to get the crowd and his team mates going. It gives me goosebumps thinking about it, because I've only ever seen that level of passion in a footballer once before. That was when Gerrard scored his header in Istanbul and lifted the whole team and every Liverpool fan on earth.

So yes, Suarez is controversial, and has his moments of madness, but on sheer determination and winning mentality, he gets the nod over 'nice guys' Agger and Lucas for me. Suarez is an inspiration.

YNWA! (Adam)

Hey Adam mate! Do you possess the power of reading minds? Same feelings passed me by after that 2nd free kick goal celebration against Zenit.

People call Suarez selfish but I bet my life, in that moment he wanted to win for the club, for us-supporters who adore him and stood by him in his low times. He feels he owes this to us. He seems possessed whenever he takes on field, be it for his club or country. I am so fortunate to see him play week in week out even though on TV and feel blessed that he dons LFC shirt every week.

Indian with Red Heart

My post on the Lfc website after the Zenit game was along the same lines. I'd rather have Suarez as Vice-Captain, and eventual Captain after Stevie G retires. He's a vocal person, and a clear leader. Nice guys are good, but hey, you need some noise sometimes, and some passion; some scruff of the neck stuff. That's why we'll really miss him if he leaves. He can go on to be Liverpool's greatest striker probably, if he stays.

27 Feb 2013 20:06:39
exactly.
the guy is pure genius.

Has anyone heard who will be vice captain once Carra hangs up his boots?

27 Feb 2013 12:28:49
Morning Ed's my last few posts have been sent via my mobile and they havn't gotten through, just wondering if it's a problem with my mob or you simply havn't posted them? Thanks!

Waro {Ed001's Note - I don't know, I haven't seen anything from you since last night, but there have been other editors on here so it is hard to be sure.}

27 Feb 2013 11:45:13
Morning Caps,

more a discussion point than banter really, but, what are peoples views on the progression of Shelvey this season?
For me he seems to have plateaued at a level far beneath what I was hoping for. In particular his wastefulness in front of goal is a concern. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the lads commitment or effort, but I wonder if he has reached his potential and what we are seeing now is largely as good as he is going to get?
Were that the case I wouldn't see a massive future for him at Liverpool.
Conversely in my view Henderson has improved 100% this season and is starting to look like a really exciting midefielder again
thoughts?

IMO Shelvey is too slow running off the ball and too slow on the ball.
He also has the control of a drunken elephant on roller skates.

Other than that he does score a few goals against rubbish teams and snatches his chances against good teams.

He's a decent championship player IMO.

27 Feb 2013 12:39:20
In my opinion, Shelvey is 21 years old, and does not deserve to be judged so harshly.
In my opinion, he has been thrown in at the deep end due to our lack of first team quality.
Finally, in my opinion, any fan who writes off one of our players after seeing Lucas become the lynchpin of our entire team, can clear off to Goodison Park.

YNWA! (Adam)

I've said since the first time I saw him play, he's very heavy, one paced and also a bit one footed when a shooting opportunity comes his way.
Frank Lampard is a one paced midfielder and always has been but he gets in great positions and knows how to finish which makes up for his lack of pace.
Shelvey should work on copying Lampard and becoming a player like him and forget all this guff about him being the next Gerrard, as he will never be anywhere near that good.
If

Talk nonsense some people on here, Shelvey will be a very good player, the problem he has got is that the position he likes to play in, is being occupied by Captain Marvel so he has had to play deeper in midfield or as a striker and neither are his natural positions. Shelvey can certainly pick out a pass short or long, scores goals, sets up goals and likes a tackle which is exactly how Gerrard was when he was that age, Shelvey will any get better and i'm glad he is a Liverpool player.

He's still only 20 years old and this is his 3rd Liverpool manager in 3 years. so if he has dipped then i'm not surprised.

He's got his senior England cap, he's are 4th top goal scorer this season and when used by Rodgers in a more attacking way, such as the Europa league, he scored 4 goals in 10 games, only Suarez bettered than ratio scoring 4 goals in 8 Europa League games.

Shelvey is a quality talent and i'm happy to wait for him to reach his potential, he's getting better and is still very young. He scores goals from midfield and we need that, especially for when Gerrartd can't play every game. Shelvey has a grit to his game and I think he's going to forge out a top career for himself.

BCDI.

27 Feb 2013 12:51:52
somtime I feel. he is slower than tortoise.

He is probably the worst player I have ever seen in a LFC shirt - how can we move forward as a club with players like him?

27 Feb 2013 13:14:17
I wouldn't want to judge him yet. Perhaps our lack of squad depth has forced him to be used more than B. R would have liked.

He's got a lot of learning left to do but I doubt most prem players today had as many starts or goals as Shelvey does as his age.

So long as he doesn't start throwing tantrums about not playing, i'd keep him or loan him out.

Shelveys not that good matey, way to slow and lethargic for me and clumsy to boot, time he was moved on as you will never suddenly become quicker.

Shelvey is not even a decent Championship player.

Loan him to norwich next season and let's see what he can do with a run of games

He frightens the life out of me every time he goes in 4 a challenge if he stayed on his feet an not chop people down he can be a beast of a player a lot of people said at the Start of the season he's the nxt stevie g never be as good as stevie but jonjo has the heart an knows what it means too be a Liverpool player he's I feel an adopted scouser who will give %100. Lfc fazak Thanks eds

We need better players and hoping shelvey is going to be one will not help.

I got on shelveys back a bit round about Christmas time and the abuse I got back then was scary in fact I was waiting on my front door flying up the hall and a lynch mob coming in and skinning me alive while watching Manchester United videos until I passed out.

gee man

27 Feb 2013 11:01:32
Ed. Pls post this.

I want people to know some truth about the aqua deal.
people are botherd we paid 17 mill for the man.

Fact : We paid 3 mill upfrnot and rest was on installment basis. please have a look back on the official transfer dtails of 2009.

There was no top midfielder ready for that price in that season. neither most club entertain instalmments. rather than full amount.

rafa benitez never screwed the money in his whole Liverpool career than KK screwed on one andy caroll.

voronin+ babel+ aqua+ elzhar+ degan = carrol + downing.

YNWA {Ed001's Note - and what were his wages? They were higher than Carroll, Downing, Henderson put together. You are clueless. All of those poor players were paid ludicrous amounts of money, that was the problem, not the transfer fees.}

27 Feb 2013 11:29:58
what was his wages? 250 per week?

Even if you pay by instalments you still pay the agreed price so what's the difference?

For example 17M up front or 17M over a term its still 17M

Kenny never screwed the Club on Carroll.
That stupid git Commoli did, he misheard what Kenny had said to him?
He told Kenny he was on his way up to Newcastle to negotiate a deal for Andy Carroll, as he was leaving Kenny said "Don't forget, he canny be worth na more than 3to5 million" in his broad Scottish dialect.
Commoli upon arriving in Newcastle immediately put his cards on the table and declared that Kenny had said that Carroll was worth na more than £35m to which Newcastle immediately agreed.

Rafa was useless when it came to transfers, something like 100 players through the doors on top money and only 5 of them any good, says it all.

In my opinion, the only truth needed about Aquilani, is he is an embarrassment of a man and a professional. At least Carroll wanted to play football.

Id prefer cattermole for 4m who could play every game than have aqua for 3+4+4+4+4m who played like 6 games then we could buy the following season

Glad you cleared that one up. lol

HBadger

27 Feb 2013 10:33:38
Summer will bring Ashley Williams and Nathan Dyer in, with Downing going the other way.

Skrtel and Carroll will be sold.

Kelly will be back as cover from central and right back.

The Squirrel

Williams and Dyer are good, average, hard-working players. We have the same sort of players in Allen, Downing, Henderson. These players will not make us go up that extra level to compete at the top.

WOW! Williams and Dyer - can't wait!

There is no way Downing will go to Swansea (even though I want rid of him) because of his wages.

Turning into Swasea v2, have to be aiming higher than that?!?!

Look at how the other ex-Swans have done since joining! No thanks

Don't believe it - Swansea tend to make good signings. Downing to Swansea? Hell no.

HBadger

27 Feb 2013 08:54:13
I personalythink suarez will sign a new contract this summer to confirm his love for Liverpool and obviously increase his wages to the same as gerards. Also to show possible signing that we will only sell players we don't need anymore. After last nights game I would put a bid for alonso this summer as he was class. Ynwa

I don't think he'll sign another contract in the summer, he can't keep signing new ones each year BUT. I am sure he will stay. The only way he'll leave is if we are offered too much money for the owners to refuse, and it would have to be a hell of a lot. If Ronaldo cost Real £80m then Suarez would not be much less than that.

He only just signed a massive contract which probably does see his wages up there with Gerrards we have hi contracted to like 2015 I think. It doesn't mean anything apart from we can ask for more money.
If Suarez goes he goes football will always have its stars.

Kopping a feel

Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on.

27 Feb 2013 13:19:55
All big contracts mean is the players market value is protected, that's all. Clubs don't let their top players run down their contract, so all this 'he has a contract' is b. s.

He will go if he chooses too, or if the club get an offer they can't refuse. That is what will decide his fate.

Anybody convincing themselves Suarez won't leave because he has a contract is deluding themselves.

Brisbane has hit the nail on the head with that post, the only thing in our favour is luis is on a long term deal which gives us a bit more clout. hope we keep him but if we don't let's hope we get top dollar and move on

I wonder where the disagrees are coming from? From those who think we will let him run down his contract and leave on a free?
I don't want him to leave, but stand by what I said. If he chooses to go, he will. If the club get a silly high offer, they will force him out. It's really quite simple!

27 Feb 2013 02:20:10
hi eds the question I want to ask is, if suarez stays will there be any top signings? as in sanchez or munian, players of that quality basicly! because I've seen a few eds say players like that could be to replace suarez! i'm just wondering if there's something for these type of players if suarez stays.

cheers
BC {Ed002's Note - The focus will be on the defence. "Top" is subjective.}

Sanchez is absolutely terrible - not a patch on Suarez! PLUS his wages would be off the chart PLUS he would want CL football!

DJ

27 Feb 2013 08:31:04
Couple of articles proclaiming Suarez is leaving for Bayern and all the sheep can't stop posting and making wish lists for who they want to replace him. Do us a favour and "Shut Up!"
Suarez has signed a new contract is playing the best football of his career and he and his family love living on Merseyside.
We are coming to the crucial stage of the season and all this nonsense is engineered to derail us from our goal of finishing the season as strongly as possible.
Have just been on the Spurs site and there's not a mention of Bale leaving for Real Madrid.

Suarez WILL be away in the summer and he WILL be joining Bayern Muinich. He wants to play at the highest level and Bayern can offer him that with Champions League Football. We can't and will not be able to do that for a good few seasons yet.

No matter how much you love somewhere - money talks.

Last I looked we were 12 points off 4th, we have dropped that many points by giving them away, points we should of won, now with the addition of sturridge, suarez is playing some fantastic football and we have a much improved side.
Yes money talks, but so does a team, If he wants to go then he will, but I believe he would give it one more season to see how we are improving.
A few years ago everyone was saying that Stevie was off, he`s still there.
If it happens it happens, but no one is irraplacable

kevc

And what did the money say then?

Suarez to bayern munchen and you will see him become top 3 in tge world

He already is top 3 in the world

Messi
Ronaldo
Suarez

Anyone of those would get into any team in the world, I hope Suarez stays but as someone mentioned money talks and if we get a bid of around £50M+ I think we would find it very hard to turn down.

I don't think he's leaving in the summer, he signed his new deal knowing full well we may not make cl and knowing what the next couple of seasons would be like. He certainly doesn't play like a man who's had his head turned.

Why would he want to be just another forward in the bayern squad when he can become a legend here in a team that are on the up.

Yes the whole world is geared up to trying to 'derail Liverpool'. Get a grip there are constant rumours about player's from all clubs.

HBadger

27 Feb 2013 07:39:44
Ed. great morning. and excellent work.
Do you have any names on your mind to play as as right sided striker?
Pace is must. since we cannot attract 40 mill player. we should look for cheaper. who hasn't actually got the opportunity to proove like sturridge was with chelsea, who could also sit in the bench when required.

suarez sturridge?
countinho lucas gerrard

this would do it.

we miss bellamy his pace. at the age of 31. he could still beat 2 man on his day.
something downing hadnt done so far in his career.

Ynwa

26 Feb 2013 23:54:36
Hey eds, are we still looking at Ince for the summer? If ince does come in, does that mean it is basically a certainty that Downing leaves since they are the same type of player, and with Assaidi unhappy, he could well leave too. I know you said we don't need to add to our attacking players but with downing and assaidi probably leaving, wouldn't we have too? I know that expensive wide players like Turan won't be targeted for replacements since we are focusing on D and Mid. Just wondering if we were to sign someone to replace downing and assaidi instead of just ince. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

27 Feb 2013 10:50:35
i am not getting why on earth are we replacing assaidi?
what harm he does 1.5 mill.

he was superb against zentith.
finally I saw a Liverpool winger beating and dribbling pass players on the flanks.

Agree he needs to be playing more, Sterling is out of form and needs rest, Coutinho has any just signed although looks very lively and Downing so there is no reason why Assaidi should not be playing more.

1 for 2? if Ince comes he can't do a 2 mans job can he.

27 Feb 2013 19:25:54
Why do players at the age of 19, 20 and 21 need to be rested? They should be able to cope with playing twice a week, and should want to run all day long for the love of that badge.

27 Feb 2013 20:10:57
players are suggested to be rested by the fans when we actually don't have any reason to support their horrible run of form.

27 Feb 2013 06:54:40
BR made Swans pretty good, and I think Liverpool are on the right track, Reina and Suarez Love the Liverbird on their chest, and We all know Gerrard is the definition of Loyalty! Why does everyone see it as a long track, Most people know Liverpool is had a few bad years, and by bad we mean not in top 4. But It takes some time, we are at the peak when Steven and Jamie go off into the sunset, I just wish we could give them a title to celebrate.

But I really see 3-4 good buys, with a few players that do not want to play with the passion required to be a Proper Red. This is the reason we have been so inconsistent.

Hairy Yank. YNWA

27 Feb 2013 06:18:55
My o My! Did I missed any interview yesterday from Henry/Werner/BR/Suarez where it has been announced that Suarez is leaving in summer? Then suddenly why this mad rush of conjectures about replacement etc. Only couple of weeks before Suarez himself stated that even if there is no champions league qualification for next season he will stay. Isn't this good enough a statement ( from horses's mouth as they say) to end speculations and be positive. How more assertive could he have been!

Or because this is a banter page, we just randomly pick a topic starting with WHAT IF and start bickering.

Please for now let us stop with this Suarez leaving and his replacement nonsense. There are better subjects to banter about.

Indian with Red Heart

We all know what footballers say and do are two different things. If someone comes in for Suarez (Bayern Munich) and can offer Champions League Football and double his wage he will be off in a flash, its common sense - would’nt you?

Yeah! I will be "Judas" if my hopes were dashed and there was no light at the end of tunnel topped up with a certain Pigeon faced Mr. Hodgson.

But I guess most of us including players associated with LFC can see the bigger picture shaping up and it bodes well for near as well as distant future. Suarez wasn't pushed to wall when he stated his intent. I am not betting my house over Suarez not leaving but there are more positive signs/indications of him staying rather than leaving.

So why these apocalyptic reactions!

Indian with Red Heart

27 Feb 2013 00:00:30
Thought i'd share my opinion on Rafa I loved him when he was our manager, if we would have had different owners we wouldn't be where we are now. Now he is at Chelsea, where he knows 100% that he will not be next season, I think he is doing his best to keep Chelsea out of the top 4 and hopes we do our part and win the last 11 games. YNWA.

A great way for him to endear himself to potential clubs at the end of the season.

Melbourne CFC

I don't think rafa would be that kinda person, even though the fans hate him and he really never had a chance with them, I know a few chelsea fans and the blame rafa for all there problems.
for me it was di matteo yeah he won a champions league but the played terrible football under him.

26 Feb 2013 23:53:03
If Suarez was to leave I woudnt hate him as he deserves to play at the highest level playing in the CL and challenging for titles.
But I hope that Liverpool demand a big fee for him.
Just like how teams play hardball against us, we should do the same!
We could easily demand atleast 50M

However the point I want to make is that if we were to sell him I would prefer a cash+player deal for him.
As due to the position were in even if we have a lot of money it doesn't mean we could necceseraly sign a player over other teams and also the fact that we have money from the sale, teams would demand a high fee knowing we have a lot of money.
Similar like the Alonso deal we 'should' of got a cash+player deal, like diarra/sneijder/vanDeVart who we're at Madrid at that time.
As even though we got 30M for him we didn't replace him and overpayed for Aquilani!

Would love to see Suarez still in a LFC shirt next season.
If we are to replace we need 2 players to replace him!
-ST
-Wing-Forward

Guys like
Mertens
Sanchez
Jovetic (unlikely But if we have the money, possible)
Pierre emerick aymbuang
Hueng min Son

Maybe a strong or poacher type ST
Bony/Yilmaz/Martinez etc.?

F5

26 Feb 2013 23:38:30
Is there any realistic chance of us going for any players from the bundesliga in the summer, some real talent there right now?! :)

Suarez for muller + 25m

26 Feb 2013 23:34:55
It can't be hard to find a player in the same mould as tevez, just a cheap, skillful player forthhe squad who is effective and adaptable. I remember when ferguson signed him he said 'hell get me at least 15 goals this season. And what's more, they'll be important goals'.

I also feel we really need to have a look a matej vydra, he would be a great buy.

Anonymous woolback

Bit of a fergie fan woolback eh:))

26 Feb 2013 23:15:38
I really don't know why everyone is talking crap about signing defenders. Nobody cares about defenders just sign fantastic goalscorers and we can be in the top4.

Last season everyone said our defense was great but we finished 8th why? City won the league with their strikers last season, now the strikers are struggling all of a sudden their defense isn't good anymore. united are 12points clear at the top buh we definitely have better defenders, but we are still 8th on the table

Nobody cares let's just pair kelly and agger or wisdom or coates they would defend, let's just add quality to our frontline and see who would pay attention to our defense if we are winning games. There is no point improving the defense if our offense isn't top 4 quality yet. If we won most of our games 5-4 or 3-2 or 4-3 I wouldn't care less about the defence

PACMAN

We bave scored more goals than tottenham. its our defence which has let us down

AHhhhhh The Kevin Keegan philosophy

I'm gona score one more goal than you

Love it

26 Feb 2013 22:58:05
Suarez will not leave in the summer deffo, he will give it one more season to see if we can get top 4. 2 centre halfs will come in the summer with skrtel on his way! that is what I've heard!!

redinthehead

Where did you hear that then mate?

26 Feb 2013 22:37:34
If suarez goes and tbh I'm not bothered either way if we get 45m+ but if he does we need the replacements signed before he goes, for example fatty at newcastle demanding 35m upfront for carroll, if we have the money then people will demand it. We need to speculate to acumilate if he's likely to go. I for one am rather sick of his antics

His antics HUH scoring 24 goals and basically dragged us up the table.

26 Feb 2013 22:09:41
If Suarez was to leave I woudnt hate him as he deserves to play at the highest level playing in the CL and challenging for titles.
But I hope that Liverpool demand a big fee for him.
Just like how teams play hardball against us, we should do the same!
We could easily demand atleast 50M

However the point I want to make is that if we were to sell him I would prefer a cash+player deal for him.
As due to the position were in even if we have a lot of money it doesn't mean we could necceseraly sign a player over other teams and also the fact that we have money from the sale, teams would demand a high fee knowing we have a lot of money.
Similar like the Alonso deal we 'should' of got a cash+player deal, like diarra/sneijder/vanDeVart who we're at Madrid at that time.
As even though we got 30M for him we didn't replace him and overpayed for Aquilani!

F5

Well I want at least 60million and he if he does leave I wouldn't hold it against him he is a world class player and should be playing in the champions league, but hey the season isn't over yet ;)

You want at least 60million do you? You should start up as a football agent mate, with talk like that, all the top players will be on your books