Liverpool Banter Archive June 27 2016

27 Jun 2016 22:18:09
I thought Iceland was supposed to be cheap?

Joe Hart diddnt save nothing.

27 Jun 2016 22:22:44
Two for One sale

Congrats Ice Men.

28 Jun 2016 05:35:25
Well at least we now all can admit Joe Hart is the English Simon Mignolet. Utterly out of his depth, no wonder Pep wants a new GK.

28 Jun 2016 08:00:32
Ed01 has said before that Hart was awful but few listened, now see gor yourselves. Not a fan of Pep but at least he saw that and will fix it.

27 Jun 2016 22:13:36
Congratulations to Iceland for a fantastic TEAM performance. They were the better team and shows just how bang average England really are.

27 Jun 2016 22:40:29
I didn't see it as a upset as I thought Iceland eould win because England have been atrocious all tournament long. Turns out that Iceland didn't have to break a sweat because thst game could have gone on for s millennium and England wouldn't have scored.

27 Jun 2016 23:03:46
Put Joe Hart, Rooney and Sterling in a team managed by Hodgson against international oppositition and chances are you will lose.

28 Jun 2016 02:27:46
Can't believe Rooney stayed on so long. He passed to Iceland more than his team mates in the second half. First goal was purely bad marking and well executed by them. Second looked like an experiment with zonal marking followed by a limp wristed attempt at a save.
Have to say, I was just laughing at the end.

27 Jun 2016 22:00:12
I wish our boys would stop playing for England. How does Rooney start ahead of Hendo? Or Kane get to play central ahead of Sturridge? Even Clyne is streets ahead of Walker. Walkers second touch is always him controlling his first touch.

Anyway I had a good laugh at it. Chin up to our lads though, shame they have to be dragged down by the average half of Spurs and the Man United dross.

It was nice of Hodgson to bring that Wilshere lad on at half time. Always nice to see a fan living the dream. Wait? What? He's actually a footballer!?

27 Jun 2016 22:09:11
Mk scouser
I'm a happy man. Did a double on Italy and iceland. Knew England would go out tonight.

27 Jun 2016 22:41:47
All laughs, MK. That post was hilarious.

27 Jun 2016 23:46:23
Sterling was a joke to start, rashford did more in 5 minutes than sterling in the tourney. Kane looked shattered, as did alli, Rooney couldn't cross his t's. we needed to change it earlier, dier shouldn't have come off, at least he could have threatened in the air. Would have like to see Barkley get a half, at least he was fresh.

28 Jun 2016 00:50:15
Hope you put every spare penny you had, be good odds for a double. I expected Italy to win and England to be ^^^^ but stumble through. My money was on Croatia at the start, but I'll check Italys odds now.

28 Jun 2016 01:07:41
Rooney had a awful game and looks a little lost in MF, Hendo should have been in for him any day of the week. Rashford should have started. What was the poin in bringing him on 86 mins in. Kane looks so knackered he's barely done anything all tourney. Would have much preferred lallana and hendo on today instead of Rooney and Dier.

So annoying considering the players we had to go out to Iceland. Studge looked okay i thought today. Defense was shambolic though.

Personally would have player studge, vardy, rashford up the top, with Hendo, Lallana and Alli in mf but Alli also looked tired. Really dissapointed tbh boys, i think what got me the most was we didn't even try and play decent footy, just passed it around aimlessly and then had the odd cross. Thinking of the standard you expect England to have against Iceland you'd think our boys would play some good footy.

27 Jun 2016 21:56:41
Happy just Sturridge, forced out on a wing, was part of tonights game. Nice to get him and the others back for preseason early. Hope Shrek, Hart and Kane keep this form for next season. 😉.

27 Jun 2016 22:42:12
Kane has been terrible all euros .

28 Jun 2016 01:05:27
I said before the Tournament that Kane was over rated and average. Got shot down for it, but it's true.

He needs 10 shots to score, his touch is awful, his link up play and movement is poor, his passing is atrocious and his set pieces are laughable.

Bang average player who profited from a team built around him in the league. In the same way Benteke scored goals in a Villa side engineered for him, Kane scores goals in a Spurs side engineered for him.

Kane is the English answer to Benteke!

28 Jun 2016 01:12:52
He looks just knackered tbh, I don't know if he was feeling the pressure of is actually just exhausted. But Kane starting tonight was a bad decision. Rooney should never have gone to the Euros. Not fit at all, was out a lot this season and we took him as a MF which he can't play, you see nice little pockets and expect him to move into to pick it up and he just stands there watching.

Rashford for me should have started Slovakia and tonight, Last season i thought MAN u were so poor but he looked good and the little game time he had looked very sharp and full of energy, was a bit of a joke to put Sterling in for him. He's gone down a level since going to City for us i remember he could actually make stuff happen on the wings. Looks a little unfit tbh and end prodcut hasn't improved. Rooney and Sterling in the same team tonight was asking for poor football imo, Lallana is not my favourite LFC player but i thought he has been good for England in the Euros and didn't even get a look in, Dier was poor against SLovakia should of started Hendo or AL, also when he brings Wilshere on who has barely played footy the last few years, he looked knackerred after only playing 20 mins. Hodgson got it wrong tonight i think against a very average side. Iceland proper went for it though and deserved the win, wish we actually played though like the Irish boys.

27 Jun 2016 21:51:54
There's karma for you. Want out of Europe = out of Europe. Haha.

27 Jun 2016 21:34:51
Hi eds anyone interested in Benteke yet, do you think he will leave?

{Ed002's Note - He will leave but I am not aware of firm offers.}

27 Jun 2016 21:18:25
Hi Eds,

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{Ed002's Note - It of no consequence.}

27 Jun 2016 19:56:23
England v Iceland Live Chat page

27 Jun 2016 19:21:17
To those who are upset about the amount we are paying for Mane, would you see Kante, at the reputed £40m that is being asked, be a more valuable signing for us?!

I know they are completely different players, but I'm trying to point out that players who have done well in the EPL, who's clubs do not NEED to sell them, are commanding a premium generally.

Is Lukaku REALLY worth the same (or more) than Suarez?!

We need to appreciate that the market is increasing, especially with the new TV money. I would be very surprised if we don't see at least half a dozen £50m+ incoming transfers this close season.

27 Jun 2016 18:51:01
The price may not be the sweetest but I think Mane, based purely on his footballing ability, is a very good signing and definitely adds quality to the squad. Hopefully Klopp can curb his wayward attitude - if so its a good piece of business irrespective of the price. I have to be honest I couldn't really care about the price one way or the other - if a player improves the first team (and Mane does) then the price is irrelevant, I'll let the owners worry about it eh.

27 Jun 2016 11:18:03
Ed002, what actually happened with Spearing, Bolton and Liverpool. I see frequently on this site that LFC were out of order and acted like t***s. But I've never seen a post explainng what actually went on.

{Ed002's Note - Bolton had to pay an additional sum to Liverpool after a certain amount of games - they asked Liverpool to wait for payment until the end of tehs eason when they could afford it. Liverpool said no meaning the screwed up Spearing who could no longer play.}

27 Jun 2016 18:14:04
Absolutely no excuse for that. Was a decent lad for us, never been Nasty after he left.
Just another showing of Liverpool FC acting in a disgraceful manner.

{Ed001's Note - I am ashamed of the way the club acted there.}

27 Jun 2016 18:39:40
The club was bang out order on this one. They really let themselves down on this one and as for poor Jay.

27 Jun 2016 18:52:27
Yep just awful from the club - didn't know about this story until reading it here - no need from the club and not how it should operate.

27 Jun 2016 19:10:47
What an absolute disgrace.

Am guessing we knew Bolton were in dire straits financially.

Sometimes the way we go about our business beggars belief.

27 Jun 2016 19:26:17
Ed01, just curious. Who would have said "no". Owners or somebody more local. Why do you think we act so stupidly at times?

{Ed001's Note - I am not actually sure who made this moronic decision to be honest. Whoever it is should have been ran out of the club immediately.}

27 Jun 2016 19:05:18
I love my club come rain or shine BUT their conduct on this topic is despicable and outright wrong.

27 Jun 2016 16:02:25
Hi eds
Just wondering if there's been any interest shown from other teams in James Milner
Many thanks.

{Ed091's Note - not to my knowledge.

27 Jun 2016 15:01:19
Hi Eds

With Mane almost signed does that mean no Gotze? Was Mane an alternative to Gotze or is he still a possibility even with Mane coming in?

{Ed091's Note - the two are not linked.

27 Jun 2016 16:35:41
i think Mane will fit into the style of play Klopp like to play and with his speed he can get back just as fast as he can get forward, i also think that the amount of money we paid for him is the going rate for him set by the saints, would he have been cheaper to man city or chelsea or any other big club i don't think so, plus with what we have paid for the likes of Benteke and lallana then if he is an up grade on lallana then the fee is what it is, i think its a bit much myself but it what our club has agreed to so its no good going on about it, but Southampton must think we are cash cows, but it could be money well spent and at the end of the season we will know then, on the plus side its that he won't take a season to settle into the prem where as other players that have been mentioned might have taken a season to settle, imo firmino took a good few months to settle into the prem and got better with each game, so its a bonus if you take away his attitude problems then its a win, win situation.

27 Jun 2016 19:37:58
His attitude problems will always remain a sticking point until itis eventually taken outof him, as you say. Here's to hoping that Klopp can fix that side of him vcoshis ability on the pitch is not in doubt.

27 Jun 2016 16:24:38
Reality check.

Most fans on here wanted to spend a fortune on Tex (who now plays in China) in Jan.

At least we know Mane can hack it in the prem. Room for improvement but at least he knows the league.

My right bicep is bigger than the whole of Mick.

27 Jun 2016 15:47:15
When I've seen Mane on MOTD he has looked great, and when he joins us i hope he leaves all his problems back at southampton if that happens then we will have a very good player who has pace, who is direct and can score goals for fun when he is on fire and under klopp i think he will have more good games than bad games as many other liverpool players had once klopp came in, plus i think I've read that klopp wanted him while at dortmund so its not just another saints buy, i'm going to get behind Mane and support him because if we all do that then i'm sure he will be happy with that and have more good games than bad

There's no doubting his talent and what he can do on the pitch, he did beat fowlers hatrick record, i think he scored a hatrick in has many minutes so it shows he can score, so with him leaving his bad attitude at the saints and after klopp has worked his magic then this signing could be the signing of the season

i'm not going to slate the player and i think we should get behind him unless he starts with his bad attitude and up sets the dressing room, if we get behind him and show him our support then i'm sure his bad attitude will go away and because we need a winger he will play most of the games, he could turn out to be a great little gem of a player who will take us to the next level

so it all depends on wheather his attitude changes and he has no tantrums and he enjoys his time at liverpool fc.

27 Jun 2016 14:47:08
Hey Ed1, regardless of your opinion of Mane as a player would you agree that much like Karius we went from being linked with the player to getting them in for a medical relatively quickly once again?

Maybe this shows that we're approaching our business slightly differently?

{Ed001's Note - I guess, I haven't really given it any thought to be honest.}

27 Jun 2016 19:41:26
I agree but this tapping up of players nonsense really needs to stop.

27 Jun 2016 22:11:16
Lol that's not the change in approach that I meant. Plus I'm pretty sure that neither Karius or Mane were tapped up.

27 Jun 2016 14:40:39
Say what you will about our transfers but I'm happy in the Mane. But, I do wonder who will be our Mane man?

27 Jun 2016 15:06:17
Oh please!

27 Jun 2016 14:00:32
Not quite so much on here, but in lots of other places I've seen people moaning that Mane is costing more than Mkhitaryan despite being "miles behind" him as a player.

I would just like to know how people can quantify Micky as being miles better? He completely flopped under Klopp when he was asked to do a bit of defensive work for the team. So much so that he fell out with him. Mane is so committed to winning he would do it without even being asked. His aggressive desire to get the ball back is Kuyt/ Suarez esque.

Then people bust out the stats argument. I know I've used stats in the past, but only ever alongside a subjective view or analysis. Mkhitaryan statistically is on another level. What the stats fail to reference though is that Mane had more defensive duties than Micky, Mane played with Long and Pelle instead of Reus and Aubameyang, Mane played in the Premier league for an over achieving mid table team whilst Micky played for one of the best teams in a different league, and Mane also got moved about a lot to do a job for the team whereas Micky was consistently played on the right.

So yeah, Mkhitaryan is on paper a better player and probably does have a better end product to his game right now. But football isn't played on paper and Micky doesn't like Klopp, and doesn't like working hard for his team. As soon as you ask him to help out off the ball he sulks, and doesn't have the energy left to affect the game in possession. So he was never going to be suitable for our style.

I'm in no way suggesting Mane is a better player. But he is definitely the better player for us. When you try and press as a unit, having even just one player who isn't completely behind the managers tactics will make the whole thing fall apart. That is why Klopp likes Lallana more than Ibe, and Origi more than Benteke. Lallana and Origi despite having less ability than Ibe and Benteke, are 100% behind Klopps philosophy of pressing hard from the front. There was even hints towards the back end of last season that Klopp prefers Origi to Sturridge due to the fact he offers more to us when the opposition have the ball.

Stop comparing our business with that of other clubs. All I care about is that Klopp gets what he deems are the right players, that suit his tactical approach. He has a proven track record in management and building a team which makes his opinion much better than anyone's on this site. By all means, give your opinion on the player (that's what these pages are for after all), but until Klopp gives us a reason to doubt his transfer business we should at least back his signings until they let us down consistently, even if we don't 100% trust Klopp in the market. One failed loan deal in a difficult January window isn't enough for me to lose all faith in a manager. If he does a Brendan and let's us down with 20 transfers in 4 years, then yes let's start to question him. Blind support is just as bad as blind criticism. And for the love of god, stop comparing transfer fees and players signed between us and other clubs. Aguero cost less than Martial. I didn't see the United fans crying when he was signed though despite scoring just a hand full of goals in an average Ligue 1.

I'm just so sick of people looking for negatives in every thing to do with the club. The Eds will get sick of us abusing people eventually and just stop giving us their inside info. It's already clear that Ed002 in particular is disgusted by the vitriol that gets posted, let alone the nasty stuff that doesn't even get through the filters and editing.

27 Jun 2016 14:11:51
Spot on, Adam.

27 Jun 2016 14:13:45
Great read and I absolutely agree with you!

27 Jun 2016 14:37:15
Good post Mk.

27 Jun 2016 14:40:33
very good post! focus on us and not look on others and who others sign. we have some very good players in studge, cou, firmino, clyne, matip, can now we need some pace and hardwork down the line. Mane should be very good buy and will improve our first eleven. We need solid left-back and good creative midfielder. Our start of the season is crucial.

27 Jun 2016 14:49:18
Spot on Mk.
Mkhitaryan is a luxury signing, Mane is a winger who works hard and gives us width which the team desperately needs.
Mkhitaryan is no doubt a brilliant player, but he did not get on with Klopp and his work rate remains questionable for the system Klopp has deployed at LFC so far. Like u said, the price is totally irrelevant.

27 Jun 2016 15:28:17
Agree with MK.
Let's just trust in Klopps decisions and get behind our new players.
Mkhitaryan is not proven in the Prem. Mane is.
I always get the impression Mkhitaryan is not mentally strong and his head drops if things aren't going well. Don't think he likes a hard tackle either.

Welcome Mane. YNWA.

27 Jun 2016 15:46:25
Some just can't stop complaining. Didn't something similar happened last year comparing Martial to Firmino's signing? Who would you pick now of the 2?

27 Jun 2016 15:47:25
Agree with this 100%. Forget the money aspect we have strengthened an area we were poor in last season which is the wings. Adding to this a keeper and CB which we also needed that's been done. With Grujic and Chilwell also we will have added two younger players who are clearly talented to areas we need. To top it off with Dahoud or another central player and to keep our players like Can, Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge and Origi all fit and firing we are already stronger.

27 Jun 2016 16:11:21
I was waiting for your input on it MK. Fair play and I shadow what you said buddy.

27 Jun 2016 16:15:45
MK. Maybe Ed one also.
With what you said about Mickey MK. How do you see him working out at a Mourinho team where he will have very specific defensive duties to do. I personally don't see him being the luxury player we know he can be.

{Ed001's Note - it would depend on him, and how he responds to what Jose wants, if he joins them.}

27 Jun 2016 16:20:42
I just read somewhere that Mkhitaryan will be on 190k a week wages. That is just ridiculous imo, and probably twice or even thrice of what Mane will make at LFC. Put things into perspective and the total cost of both transfers will eventually even out. It all comes down to which player has more impact at their respective club.

27 Jun 2016 16:33:17
Interesting read. Well put MK.

27 Jun 2016 16:33:48
Nice put mate.

27 Jun 2016 16:33:59
Nicely put mate.

27 Jun 2016 18:05:40
Fantastic post!

27 Jun 2016 20:02:30
I think Micky will be good under Jose. In his last full season at Chelsea when they won the league, he had 9 really hard working players with Hazard and Fabregas in particular having less running requirement off the ball, far less defensive duties, and more freedom to just roam and express themselves. I expect Mourinho will let Mkhitaryan be one of those players in his man united team with the likes of Rooney, Rojo and Schneiderlin etc putting in the mileage. Mata is another player who is stifled if you make him run about to much so he may be the Fabregas of the team.

I do genuinely believe Micky will be a success. He's a good player. But he was not right for us and his wages are just extortionate. There is no point pretending United will be a bad side though. They won't.

27 Jun 2016 13:35:39
everyone keep complaining about the fee paid for Mane. we could and had already done worst such as 35mil got Carroll and also 32.5m for Benteke. both are decent striker but just not suited for our style.
for his attitude wide, Carroll doesn't have good reviews and lots of off the field issue. Benteke have poor work rate
At least Mane fit in well and also it's been some time we had a pacey attacker (bar sterling) he have good off the ball movement too.
stop the negativity . sign no one complain, sign someone complain. Anyone that Klopp approve, I will back him back. Doubters to Believers.

27 Jun 2016 14:26:10
Well said pal.

27 Jun 2016 11:32:48
Morning Eds and reds,

So mane is having is medical at the moment if the reports are to be believed, I for one am excited about the transfer and I think most people are too.

I think the fear is that he won't perform like he has for Southampton, and the reason why some people aren't happy about the transfer is not about the player but about the reported fee.

If it's to be believed he will be our most expensive player, and when you see mkhitaryin going to United for 26 million fans are thinking the money could be spent better.

I think we have to look at the bigger picture here. We don't have European football to offer these players, we have klopp and some of the best fans around, so let's Back the manager and the players he brings in and wait to see what happens.

Who ever pulls on the Jersey deserves are full support, and we shouldn't be bashing them before they even signed.

DevC90.

27 Jun 2016 11:46:26
DevC90

Micky has proven multiple seasons in Ukraine (when we were scouting I believe), he has been Armenian player of the year before and has had very good record at Dortmund. Both goal wise and assist wise.

Comparing Micky (assuming they get him for 26 or less than 30) would be a steal when you see Mane going for 34.

Micky might still flop in PL but he is easily much better than Mane. No comparison.

Yeah, as you said we have no other option than to support any player who plays for us.

Cheers.

27 Jun 2016 12:04:24
I don't see how that the fee that ManU are paying has any relation to the Mane deal.
I really do wish that we stop comparing one players price to another, there are more than a few variables that set each deal different from another.

Yes, liverpool are overpaying and I don't blame Southampton for making the most out of the deal if the buyer is willing or is desperate enough (or stupid some cases) .

Now the deal is done (almost), let's just wait and see how the deal turns out at the end of this coming season.

27 Jun 2016 12:05:40
Why compare the 2, totally different type of player, we haven't got CL or any European football, so why would he leave Dortmund to come to us, United will also pay him higher wages, so your comparison is a complete waste of time. Being Armenian player of the year does not make him a great player, and in the 2 games against us this year he certainly didn't look like a class player or game changer, whereas Mane did against us.

27 Jun 2016 12:08:00
Mickey only has 1 year left on contract which effects the price, just saying.

27 Jun 2016 12:13:37
Let's slag our own players again. Yay! Sturridge, Henderson, Coutinho anyone? Any wonder ed2 is all over you the way our players get treated!

27 Jun 2016 12:34:11
1 year on his contract left his wages will b 3 times as much and mane is younger. Players prices have inflated with the billions that's getting put into the premier league. Fans would moan if we missed out on him over a couple million never happy us lot. Let's try get behind the team this year.

27 Jun 2016 12:38:28
Also, i'm sure I read somewhere that Micky wasn't happy under Klopp at Dortmund so he would never have come to us if that's the case, even if we had champions league.

27 Jun 2016 12:55:18
Liverpool found out last season that Mane was a dangerous player to come up against. Southampton received the price they were looking for and now he will be wearing the liverbird, so let's forget the price tag and get behind the lad.
I have always said that I like the player. Pace, power, directness. I honestly believe he will improve our goals for column.
Let's not compare him to players other teams buy and enjoy the attacking play he will bring to the team.

27 Jun 2016 12:40:02
Fair enough, mane is a good player and will improve our first 11. Everyone knows we are overpaying and everyone knows we are shocking in terms of dealings, this is common knowledge by now. United have overplayed before themselves (Luke shaw for example) but we are terrible at negotiating good deals for both leaving and arriving players. In terms of mhkitarian and mane, the better player is mhkitarian. The player we need is mane. We need width and pace, and some quality out there for once.

One thing I wish was possible was doing this sort of deal for Alex teixeria. Now before everyone jumps on my back, it was just a personal preference at the time. From the people we where linked with, teixeria was the one that had the most quality. Maybe at the time we couldn't afford something like that because we weren't selling anyone for big money so it would have been difficult to fund. This is clouded by the statement from klopp who said he won't over pay (won't pay Disneyland money on players or something to that extent) . I just feel like out of the two you would probably rather over pay on texiera. The fee being suggested by sky sports is £34m for mane which most probably would have gotten us teixeria or (let's not look at the past) a better player now. £34m definitely is overpaying and klopp made a mistake saying something like that.

Before people say texiera isn't exactly tearing it up in China, well he tore it up in Ukraine, and most players that come from shaktar all do well at there new clubs so I think he would have been a risk worth taking. Plus he wanted to come to us, and would have worked well with coutinho and firmino. Maybe I'm bringing it up for no reason but my point is why would klopp overpay on a player that we shouldn't over pay for. I want mane, but for that price there are most certainly better players. If he's the best we can get then fair enough, I'm happy with that. Just one more point, African cup of nations. That is all.

27 Jun 2016 13:01:56
Im looking at it like this,
We were a better side up top when we had Raheems pace its just the lad wasnt the greatest finisher, we got 50 million for him and now we're getting a 34 million pound player that CAN finish and will bring more to the team in my opinion, yes I know we used that money on Benteke etc but he also is off out the door and we'll recoup a few quid there too, so you get my logic lol, twisted as it may be ;)

27 Jun 2016 13:29:44
I agree RT, the pace of Mane and Origi will scare the s*** out of teams, especially away from Anfield, that combined with Coutinho and Firmino movement.
At least Klopp has got one of his targets and we aren't left with a Balotelli signing.

27 Jun 2016 13:31:50
Just for the record guys I wasn't comparing the 2 as players I was comparing the difference in prices being paid I. e micky is a better player then mane from what I've seen no question all be it one plays on the wing the other in the centre, I wasn't aware micky was in his last year of contract thanks for clearing that up.

DevC 90.

27 Jun 2016 13:42:32
Guys,

I was just responding to the OP where there was a mention of the two.

For me Micky is better than Mane but I am not dreaming or suggesting the we should have tried getting Micky.

Also if reports are true where Micky has mentioned that he felt better under Touchel than Klopp, just thinking how will he feel under Jose. As I see Jose and Klopp are more similar in style than Touchel.


Good luck to both. I was thinking Micky might fancy Arsenal than MU because of CL but doesn't look like now.

Cheers.

28 Jun 2016 11:34:32
He did OK in the Bundesliga but his goal return went down from 1 in 2 to 1 in 4 and given that he had one year left on his contract (compared to Mane's 2), it is understandable that he would go for £26, or so. Consider that Man United offered £30m for Mane in January and that Bayern and Chelsea were interested it would seem that Mane is no mug and certainly not a bad player. Like I say, I would love us to sign Reus, but that simply isn't happening, however after looking at the facts and seeing what Mane does bring with him, I think its a good deal.

27 Jun 2016 10:07:37
Morning fellow reds and eds!

Rumours of subotic being linked.

With kolo released and skrtel in the shop window, do you reckon he is being considered as a back up? I know we are already loaded up in that area, just wanted to know if there was any interest that you know of
Cheers!

27 Jun 2016 10:38:48
Don't want him. Would rather give Joe Gomez a chance.

27 Jun 2016 10:18:48
Will probably depend on Sakho's fate. If Sakho does get a ban, then Subotic might be a cost effective option. If Sakho is cleared to play, then no point in signing Subotic.
Lovren, Sakho, Matip and Gomez with lucas as emergency cover should be more than enough for 3 competitions.

27 Jun 2016 10:59:31
Exactly my thoughts I. B.

27 Jun 2016 11:50:28
Not needed.

27 Jun 2016 12:37:33
Not needed unless Sakho is banned for a long time. We will have to wait and see.

27 Jun 2016 09:17:30
Hi Ed's, United set to pay £26m for Mhyketarian - the bundesliga players player of the season with 18 goals and 25 assists.

We are set to pay £30m for Mané.

Is this just simply because Mhyketarian has 1 year left on his contract?

{Ed001's Note - partially and partially because he wants to join United and has pushed to move to them.}

27 Jun 2016 09:40:48
We beat Mkhitaryan when he was alongside Aubameyang and Reus though so I reckon we can do him alongside Rashford and Martial ;)

In all seriousness though, United have pulled a rabbit out of the hat with that one!

27 Jun 2016 10:02:19
united are doing good business it seems. Think they will be in the top 4 next season unfortunately.

27 Jun 2016 10:09:01
We had all this at the start of last season. United bought really well last season (apparently) and I was pretty much on my own when I said they hadn't. Just wait and see and stop jumping the gun.

27 Jun 2016 10:20:30
Waro, Mkhitaryan is a class above the dross (Martial aside) Utd have bought in the last 3 years. Jose will get them back challenging for major honors. Its a question of when, not if.

27 Jun 2016 10:57:34
We shall see.

27 Jun 2016 11:23:34
Buzzer, it's easy to call them dross in hindsight. Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin were called great signings when they moved to United.

27 Jun 2016 12:10:06
And don't forget the excitement surrounding Depay.

27 Jun 2016 12:40:15
We will have to wait and see if Micky settles in England also. I think a lot will depend on Uniteds style of play. If Mourinho plays his usual style, I can't see him chasing back etc. If the style is that of attacking football, he could be a very good signing.

27 Jun 2016 12:42:59
Are you saying the same thing this time waro?

27 Jun 2016 13:39:35
At the moment kman yes, they've signed 1 player the rest are just speculation, they were getting bale a month ago and a few days back pogba, I'm fairly certain they'll sign neither, but your all talking like there at Carrington now.

Can I ask you did you think they bought well last season? I didn't and said so on here and was proven correct.

If the manager is happy with our signings then so am I, as mane is the only player I can have an opinion on and think is a great player, the other lads I've not seen so am happy to go with our managers judgment. Get behind the team and the manager and stop f###in moaning.

27 Jun 2016 14:52:49
Well said Waro.

If we end up with Firmino, Coutinho, Mane, Origi and Sturridge that is a frightening attacking force. Ojo will no doubt improve and to have someone like Lallana coming off the bench who works tirelessly is a great option.

Lovren and Sakho formed a good partnership last term and with Matip in as well that's looking good for the centre backs. I hope Chilwell comes in and replaces Moreno, he seems very defensively aware in comparison and you can tell he's an intelligent player. The others I don't really know much about but I will give Klopp the respect he deserves for judging and rebuilding.

We've got so much of an opportunity to push forward this year. 2 of the powerhouses have new managers coming in and will probably take a while bedding in. If we get off to a flying start I think we've got a really good chance of doing well this season. With no European football and fitness levels much improved I think people should feel a bit more positive rather than moaning for the sake of it.

28 Jun 2016 11:21:47
Why would he leave a team that play great football, attacking football in the Champions league to join a mou set up 11 men behind the ball in Europa league?

There is one answer.

28 Jun 2016 11:29:15
They need now one cb, cm and striker.

Sorry but they're challenging next year.

But I can't see why we cant. We have just bought another 10 goalss and 5 assists minimum.

We have firmino, origi going into there second seasons.

We have a full oteseaon with klopp.

Lovrens now a beast again. Hopefully hendo gets fit. Coutinho, sakho, can, mane. I mean we have everything you need in a team. We just have to get iy to click.

Karius
Clyne lovren sakho hector/ chilwell
Hendo can
Mane firmino coutinho
Origi

De gea
Darmian bially smalling Shaw
Schniderlin x player
Mkhi Rooney martial
Ibra.

27 Jun 2016 09:03:33
Ed1, in line with the recent reviews of ex-players, where do you rate Hyppia in terms of CB? I only started watching footie since '88 and to me, he's been the best I've seen.

We'd have won the league in 2013 if we had a Sami in the side.

How do you rate him? One of the all-time great Red CBs?

Definitely better than Carra. Different class to what we have now, although to be fair, I've yet to see Matip play .

{Ed001's Note - I love Hyypia, but there is no way we would have won the league with him in the side in 2013, even at his peak. He was just too slow and required too deep a defensive line, which would have taken away from the attack. He was a fantastic organiser, great in the air and excellent on the ball, but he was nowhere near the likes of Hansen. Better than Carra? Slightly, maybe, but not by much, he was playing for a team that was built around defending first under Houllier, which made him look so much better, rather than him being that much better.}

27 Jun 2016 09:45:44
I have an image etched into my memory from when we played Barcelona. Rivaldo dribbled past two of our players before taking on Hyppia, Rivaldo did something fancy but Hyppia stood his ground and Rivaldo just bounced off him. I would love to have him in his prime Hyppia now.

27 Jun 2016 07:38:53
Instead of buying Southampton players every year at inflated prices. Why don't we just employ the Southampton scout that finds all these players?

27 Jun 2016 07:50:49
Once this season ends, this would be a lottery/ betting question.

Who next will move from Southampton to Liverpool in FY 17?

Southampton fans would be laughing at us seriously as they can buy players and if they are not good or not, Liverpool will be waiting in queue at double or triple the amount.

Not sure when this is going to stop.

27 Jun 2016 08:16:24
Doesn't look like it will ever stop, I'm afraid.

27 Jun 2016 08:41:35
It would seem you and I are on the same wave length with that. Imagine!

27 Jun 2016 09:41:24
That scout along with the Leicester one are now working at Tottenham al1972.

{Ed001's Note - the 'Leicester one' is not at Spurs. The guy who chooses the players for Leicester is Steve Walsh (not the former player) and he is still there.}

27 Jun 2016 10:32:44
I hear you Jerrylee!

27 Jun 2016 10:59:18
What was Rob mackenzie's roll at Leicester before he moved to spurs Ed?

{Ed001's Note - he was one of their scouts, I believe he specialises in data analysis. It is the man at the top making the decisions that matters though. You can have the best scouts in the world, but if they are giving their reports to Rodgers, you are still only going to end up with 50 attacking midfielders and no one for left back. Leicester have a lot of scouts and data analysts that look at each player repeatedly, it is not one scout finding and picking players. Steve Walsh always goes and looks at prospective signings if possible, before he recommends them.}

27 Jun 2016 11:33:59
Thank you.

27 Jun 2016 06:38:08
Good morning all

Ed001 were do you see Mane best position for us? On the Right wing as part as a 3 behind the Striker?

Also its been said that Benteke looks set to leave, do you have any idea of who is looking at him please?

{Ed001's Note - right wing, West Ham, a couple of Turkish clubs.

27 Jun 2016 06:55:27
Ok mate cheers.

27 Jun 2016 08:16:48
If it's turkey is that on loan I imagine? They won't shell out the £25m+ will they?

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't asked who would be buying him, just who was interested. I very much doubt he will join any of those, as things stand, as none of them are currently interested in paying the money. It is more likely that someone completely different will show interest when they sell a player and so need him as a replacement. Whether or not we will get that much for him though is a different matter.}

27 Jun 2016 09:39:02
By the sounds of that then ed we might well be stuck with him for this season? Or will we be doing everything we can to move him on?

{Ed001's Note - it is too early to tell mate. The window has two more months to go.}

27 Jun 2016 11:02:18
He will be loaned out at best, IMO.

26 Jun 2016 23:36:00
Hi Eds and fellow posters.

Hope all are well post Brexit.

Having read posts from other posters there seem to be a lot of doom and gloom regarding our transfer activity. Especially with the names we have been linked with.

I, on the other hand, am extremely pleased so far. I definitely wanted a new keeper to come in. I do believe a lot of our defensive frailty is down to the goalkeeper. The defence drop too deep. Mignolet doesn't command this box. Karius is very highly rated and a very good all round keeper who despite his young age has had a lot of experience in a very good league. He will give Mignolet competition and will have to step up his quality. I do believe a good keeper whether mignolet steps up his performances or Karius establishing himself as no 1 will result in a much better defence.

Add Matip and we have an aggressive but ball playing centre back who also plays the DM role. Skrtl looks like he is leaving. Good servant but deficient in his positioning.

Sadio Mane looks almost sealed and yes he isn't the "marquee" signing fans want. But he has pace and score goals. Something we lack at the moment.

All in all I am extremely happy. A left back and a midfielder to complete our transfer incomings.

We have a lot of players linked to be leaving - skrtl, benteke, Allen etc.

All in all I am very optimistic for the coming season. I do believe no European football is a blessing in disguise. Players haven't had a summer. Liverpool have a lot of players in the euros (plus the olympics) so a long season and the style we play I could see us dropping off on the second half of the season.

I am happy with the clubs plans so far.

27 Jun 2016 05:47:38
Agreed, happy with all the recruits, not just for their individual talents, but because they all solve for very specific deficiencies we had in our squad.