Liverpool Banter Archive March 27 2012
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27 Mar 2012 23:27:35
"I have ambition, but now money will not be decisive in my choice," says the Argentine. "Money doesn't have to be a motive". This is the reason why I think matias Suarez is the most likely to arrive at anfield out of our other targets currently.
May I remind you of the last player to play for us who came directly from the Belgian league? The great Milan Jovanovic! He was the Belgian league player of the year, scored loads of goals and had a decent World Cup before he joined us. What happened next, you might remember.
AG
AG Rafa got sacked!
AG, Milan was 29 and never given a chance. He was strong and quite fast and had a good shot, I think he could have been something good if he was given a run of games.
BthekingB
How good is he now?
27 Mar 2012 23:18:44
I know the odds are low on the following but what would happen if Everton knocked us out of FA cup and finished ahead of us in the league?
Is there any chance Kenny would stay on?
Be interested to know EDs views and fellow bloggers view on this?
Eldon Shepherds Bush Red
I don't think FSG are concerned about Everton. They want results, not just scoring points over our local rivals.
Rigsby.
The last time KD left was after a defeat by Everton
He may leave after a defeat to Newcastle....
The Fans will be singing his name at St James Park; Daglish! Daglish! Daglish!!
but you don't get that do you.
kidmillions
27 Mar 2012 23:18:34
Anybody know how much tickets would be for the final?
U an Everton fan?
27 Mar 2012 23:17:11
Has anybody seen this article about the low life that mocked Maumba? Words fail me!
MR EM
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/student-jailed-for-mocking-muamba
I think it is horrible what he said but they are classing it as racial abuse even though there are not quotes of racism.
BthekingB {Ed001's Note - there were plenty of racially abusive terms on the students Twitter feed, I saw them myself. He tried to claim he was hacked, but he was saying foul stuff of a similar nature all the way through his comments.}
27 Mar 2012 23:28:45
Jalevic bargain
Not worth the punt LFC, how much was he £5 million, looks like a finisher to me.
Are you confident of the 14th, cos I'm not
Pistol Pete
27 Mar 2012 22:57:31
Got to play attacking side in Semi to push Everton back! If all Available,like to see-Reina,Johnson,Skrtel,Agger,Enrique,
Kuyt(workrate-Derby mentality),Gerrard,Spearing/or shelvey,Downing
Bellamy,Suarez.Subs.Spearing/shelvey,Maxi,Coates,Kelly,Sterling(20 min to go,if level)Hendersen/or Carrol,(hendersen probably got energy on big pitch)and keeper.Wouldnt neccessarily need Carrol.Kuyt could switch uptop,if needs be.And Kelly infrontve Johnno.We need pace/movement on big pitch.Take game to them.Force Baines,mngaye,Drenthe(if available back!Agger take jelavic.Skrtel-Cahills runs.Be happy with that.Cant decide Spearing or Shelvey.Maybe spearing cos gets stuck in and more defensive-aslong as he keeps head! I just think we aint scoring,have lackve support for Suarez in box.Aint got lotve pace uptop,Surely crying out for Bellers!!Views please?
I'll probably be viewing it on TV as the price of ticket's at wembley nowaday's!
27 Mar 2012 22:58:13
Bellamy uptop with Suarez in Semi-What a handful theyd be
27 Mar 2012 22:48:33
does anyone know hw far away agger is from returning to fitness, i feel he is sorely missed, carragher doesnt have the same sort of distribution ability as agger
Or the speed
AG
April 1st
The only distibution carra knows is the long ball kick and hoof
27 Mar 2012 22:34:12
Looks like we have got a bye into the fa cup final then. We never lose to them and i really cant see it anytime soon. Chelsea or spurs who do u reckon?
Mighty reds
So arrogant
Have a bit of respect. Way our results are going we can't take anything for granted.
Jimbob
Wouldnt be so confident, everton are fyling, totally outplayed swansea and sunderland and we are absolutly awfull at the moment
Keep talking s**te, last time we played in the cup, remind me, who got knocked out and who made the final that year?
Who won the final that year?
Melbourne CFC
Everton shud be i the final, They deserve to be, unlike us.
Indian Buzzer
Just like we never lose to wigan at home ,if we win the FA cup kenny will just paper over the many cracks we already have and then go buy more dead wood to play with the dead wood we already have.
27 Mar 2012 22:29:32
Big congrats to Raheem Sterling whos going to be a daddy to TWO DIFFERENT CHILDREN after getting 2 different girls pregnant in 2 weeks, I think we'll see him on Jeremy Kyle before we see him getting a start at Anfield
Kenny should give him a go... We've been crying out for someone who's good in, and around the box, all year...He must be a quality finisher and have some shot on him...
Maybe that why he is so desperate to run away back to London haha
MIKEY
17 and 2 kids already? Geez
Ha, ha, 'Did he dribble, or did he shoot'.
Dumb kid, gifted but reaLly short betewwn the ears, no wonder his mum wants him to go to London, get away from all the attention.
Doomed to do stupid things it would seem.
27 Mar 2012 22:25:52
Just wanted to know Eds...
...do you think Kenny Dalglish is safe in his position?
And do you know what the owners are thinking about the latest results and the form in 2012 in general?
Surely they can't be happy?!
Cheers Mate {Ed002's Note - This is discussed regularly - please check teh other posts rather than opening this up again.}
27 Mar 2012 22:22:27
I Honestly believe we should go for our number one target this summer and give the owners £60 to one Rafa benitez a very up and coming coach whose tactical acumen and eye for a player is second to none fact.
In Rafa we trust.
Do us al a favour shut up about rafa he will not be comig back to liverpool end of!
we have turned a corner from boring football.
£60? Look what happened the last time we gave Rafa £60.......we ended up with Voronin and Gonzalez and God knows what he did with the change.
Rigsby.
How can people cite that LFC played boring football under Rafa? the 09 run in we were ripping team's apart with the best attacking football i've seen LFC play since 87 88! we mauled top team's! yet some people post that it was boring? {Ed001's Note - one half season does not make up for the negative tactics of the rest of his time in charge!}
We played nice football under rafa once Crouch left.
BthekingB
If you remember Ed001 we were top just before Christmas and there or there about's up to then! so it was'nt just half a season!
We didn't seem to have any problems in the goal scoring department under Rafa - regardless of the type of football people think he played.
We were always near the top of the goals scored charts
Football wasnt that bad because Torres/Gerrard combined so well. What irritated me was how Rafa would settle for draws too easily and defend a lead becoming very defensive.
Also Ed001 in his time at Anfield we won 1 CL got to the quarter's a year later another final the year later the semi's another year later then the quarter's in 09 we also won the FA cup 06 and got in the CC final in 05! how can that be deemed negative? {Ed001's Note - Jose Mourinho has won loads, but his tactics are negative, what is your point?}
Rafa ah ha ha ha ha plz tell me wot rafa won with his own team i ask this everytime,yet no rafa lover likes to answer.and for the fool tht said we played the best attacking football under rafa since 87 88 go look back at roy evans wen he was in charge.without doubt the best liverpool attacking play and style in the last 20 yrs. FACT
MRBROWN
My point Ed001 is that we did'nt always play negative! As you yourself have just replied to me that Jose Mourinho played negative tactic's but those tactic's he played had positive result's! Chelsea did to us what we did to United! but we never had a man sent off! which is even more positive if you look at it! {Ed001's Note - that is just gibberish. Can you at least try and make sense if you are going to reply. We had one half season, when it was already too late, of good football under Rafa. Years of defensive negative tactics can not be washed away because of a couple of months of excitement. Next you will be telling us Ged played good attacking football because the UEFA Cup final against Alaves was exciting!}
Also Ed001 if you asked most of our fan's that if we were playing negative tactic's but getting the result's would they swap that from playing good football but either drawing or of late getting beat by lowly side's! especially at home! Sorry i was'nt classing Arsenal as a lowly team! {Ed001's Note - again you make no sense. Who was talking about anything you are gibbering on about? You claimed Rafa played good football, I pointed out you were wrong, end of.}
I wonder why you call yourself MRBROWN? What did Roy Evan's win? Oh yeah the league cup! And Karl Heinz Riedle was banging them in! I've been following LFC since the very early 70's and thought that the season 87 88 was the most flair football we've played! Now tell me one season under Evan's guide that we played the football and mauled top team's like the way we did in the run in of the 09 season! please enlighten me! as that season we fell a tad short but the run in reminded me of LFC of old!
And another fact MRBROWN! Luis Garcia scored in quarter final and semi final plus Xabi Alonso scored in he final! who bought them?
Ok Ed001 the original poster say's more or less bring Rafa back! then a debate started the pro's and con's of having Rafa back! some poster posted that we were to negative under Rafa which you seconded1! i was outlining the pro's of Rafa's tenure! then a debate about Mourinho and his tactic's ensued with me and you! you saying that his tactic's were negative! yet i pointed out those negative tactic's had positive result's! but i highlighted the 4 1 reverse in his 1st season with them! how is that talking gibberish? and it was far from half a season of good football we played under Rafa! we hold the record for most goal's scored in a CL match that was under Rafa! hope you print this as i was making valid point's and not just talking as you said gibberish! {Ed001's Note - because your wording was terrible, it was barely legible and I couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. If you had explained yourself like this I would have understood, though I still disagree. Wimbledon used to get great results by hoofing the ball long, Fat Scam still does, but it is not how I want to see my team play, even if it wins us games. I don't want to watch that rubbish. Rafa and Jose concentrate on stopping the opposition playing, that is not positive. It leads to poor football, football that is terrible to watch and soul destroying as a football fan. Let's be honest, Barcelona will always have a bigger following than other clubs because of the style of football they employ. That gives them an advantage, even when results are not going for them, they are still the team everyone wants to watch on TV or go to watch live. You have to be entertaining to build a bigger fan base.}
27 Mar 2012 22:17:13
With the current squad we have a great first 11 and some pretty good subs.
I know it's early but next seasons starting eleven (as is) isn't that bad. With a season behind them and a confidence boost surely this is a team capable of..?
Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique
Downing Gerrard Lucas Bellamy
Suarez Carroll
Doni, Coates, Hendo, Adam, Kuyt, Spearing
Is it really that bad?
Yes maybe a proper RW and a poacher, but I'm happy!
Unfortunately, yet again, it's another season that passes us by, but patience is a virtue and with a couple of youngsters coming through next season and an announcement on the stadium all will be bright!
dmedly
I agree it's not bad, but it certainly isn't working on the pitch. Personally I'd start Downing on the left and definitely bring in a new right winger. I think Kelly will become a great centre back so we need a new right back (who's versatile), like Isla if Johnson goes.
We do need another striker, one that fits our style of play (that isn't Carroll). More steal in midfield and some creativity if Suarez has more on/off the field issues. I make that four or five with room for two in the first team, possibly three.
Papa G
I agree and winning one cup and semi-final in the other with an opportunity to win it is a clear sign of progress. It's just a case of transposing the cup form into the league on a regular basis and we'll be contenders again.
Ozone
There's a difference between a "great" eleven and a "is it really that bad" one. Yours falls into the latter. It's not that bad, but Bellamy out wide? He's not a wide player and don't forget how old he is.
As for Downing and Carroll, I'd be hoping for significant improvement from them both, if they were going to be regulars, next season.
And the bench doesn't excite me either.
I'll be hoping for a better eleven (and squad) for next season.
Rigsby.
Here's a thought, why not just play Bellamy on the right wing and Downing on the left wing. If we are looking for a pacy winger that can cross and score a few, surely Bellamy should get a chance on the right.
Gazza
27 Mar 2012 22:09:50
Everton played well. Will Liverpool turn up ?
I am not so sure.
The team is bland with no spice or creativity.
Will 'Last of the Summer Wine - Carragher' play?
Maybe you should support Everton?
dmedly
May be you should wake up and take your head out your apse,we will struggle against everton like we have been stuggling all season did you not watch the wigan,QPR,carling cup,sunderland,wolves,Arsenal ect ect ect games.
poo poor poor.
Arsenal? Are you discussing results or performance because they are quite different?
AK
27 Mar 2012 22:04:49
Baines,mngaye,drenthe(if plays),Jelavic-Got to stop them!They were all quick,sharp.Good interplay.Rest solid,closed down,good organization and got stuck in.Stevie,Suarez,Kuyt,Downing.All need great games.And lets hope Agger and Johnno back.Gona need them and Kop to really be 12th man we used to be.Very very tough game instore.
Since when as a derby game not been a tough one for both sides.
kidmillions
Tougher than usual Kidmillions.A million times you kid yourself.Were poor,theie flying.Playing cohesive attacking football
27 Mar 2012 22:01:58
Fair play to Chelski tonight, job half done. Benfica are a solid outfit at home.
Quite amusing that Torres is their new Hero all of a sudden tho...Let's be honest, they haven't got a hope of beating Barca, Real or Bayern...
#5times
Lee YNWA
Just like QPR and wigan hadnt got a hope of beating us, its football pal, anything can happen, sure didnt birmingham win the carling cup last season ?
Just like we diddnt have a hope of turning the 3-1 round against Napoli? Funny how you scousers are still so arrogant and pigheaded when your in a massive decline yourselves, or cant you be humble because you were quite good 30 years ago?
SHED END
I know I should grow up (nearly 40) and get over it, but I really hope Torres fails.
He could have stayed and won stuff (Carling Cup) at a club/family that would have loved him. He would have been a legend at a club of legends, but alias he chose a different path, I will never forget some of his goals but I will never forget his disloyalty!
I know the money was good (£50m) but..?
dmedly
Pains me to say but I agree with SHED END!
dmedly
Oh please don't mention Napoli in the same context as Barca and Real...You call us delusional!?
Shed End, if it was the #5times that irritated you - then good ;p
Lee YNWA
Chelsea win the CL , what a joke, now tats funny!
Shed End, I did give you credit - or did you have an answer ready without thinking?
You played well tonight, just don't think you can beat the aforementioned teams..
Lee YNWA
'Quite good' ? Ha , what a ridiculous understatement .
It still amuses me that London is yet to even win ONE European Cup .
The midlands has 3 European Cups
The North has 8 European Cups ,
Yet the capital can't even win 1 between them - that is a joke .
If I was a continental team in Europe I would not be worried about a London team in the slightest .
I would not even worry about a London team in the FA Cup ! - but time will tell .
Qwerty
27 Mar 2012 21:58:00
Carrol insteadve Jelavic=mmmmmm.One pace movement,centre of box where should be when expected.One taking root,slow,cumbersome.not great ball to feet.Great move eh
WHAT?
MR EM
Jelavic isn't that Bad!!
Lyndon
He's no Andy Carroll though
cozinoz
Jelavic is decent, carrol is c**p. he will leave in the summer.
Indian Buzzer
27 Mar 2012 21:53:23
Fear for the Grand National this year. They'll be nobody left in the City.....
Dirks Engine Room
27 Mar 2012 21:52:44
'Liverpool youngster Raheem Sterling gets two women pregnant in two weeks'
It's clear to me he should be in the starting team, He scores more than Andy Carroll.
What a little slut, ain't he heard of condoms.
Disgraceful behaviour.
So why all the s**t about he's still only a kid, he must be old enough if this is true, it seems he has plenty of energy obviously not working him hard enough in training!!
This rumour has been doing the rounds for months and was discussed on here before Christmas.
Scouse_Pride
Seen this Rumours in December 27th 2011
27 Mar 2012 21:43:25
A man united fan coming in peace... to some of you. Some of you should be ashamed of the posts you are putting up regarding kenny dalglish getting sacked, Utter disgrace to your club, Rome wasnt bulit in a day, It took fergie 7 years to win something, Dalglish has brought you a cup in his 1st season, Give him a chance. He is a great manager and he lives for liverpool.
Oh dear.. I think I've just agreed with a united fan...!
Myk
If only some (so called) fans weren't so impatient!
Two trips to Wembley, some good attacking football and ifs/buts a few more goals we'd be in and around the top four.
Too many new players, players not used to the pressure of Anfield...all will be readressed next season, if not KK will walk and we'll start again!
dmedly
Kenny needs time,nobody can say we havent improved we won 1 cup a chance of another.
yes our league form has been wayward lately, but all the same we have won silverwear and are in the europa league.
kenny will add maybe 3 or 4 players in the summer and next season we will improve our league position.
this to me is liverpool on the way back up not down,i smell a exciting successful era on its way to us mighty reds.
mrbrown
And u would trust king kenny spending more money I don't think so after that rubbish he got last time
Well said United fan! I hate how some fans on here want to commit suicide after we lose. Support the team and the manager through winning or losing! Don't sack someone who is on our side and wants to win even more than we do! Stick with Kenny! We will become great some day just not overnight!
BthekingB
To btheking b
so your happy with the current sqaud?your happy with cluelless tactics?,your happy in 7th spot?,your happy with no champions league,your happy with losing to the likes of QPR,Sundrland and Wigan??
well if your happy with that then hope your happy when we are playing npower league football.
27 Mar 2012 21:31:04
Looks like its the Toffee's then, they've looked good tonight, will be a tough test me thinks.
Andy C
Yes nearly over , and to be fair , Everton have looked very balanced , and much the better side , its gonna be a tough one , but with Agger and more coming back , I know who I am backing , come on you reds .
redforever
Whos planning on going then lads??
I think we'll 'av them, aslong as Agger is fit.
Going to be a cracker tho!
Lee YNWA
Should be a great game, and a excellent weekend for Liverpool City as a whole!
Can't wait!!
dmedly
27 Mar 2012 21:26:08
I may get shot down for this but has anyone considered Dempsey as a replacement for Kuyt (should be depart). I know our need for a proper wide midfielder/winger on the right, but feel Dempsey could fit in well as a squad man to play in midfield up top or out wide.
He's got similar attributes to Dirk in stamina and work rate, he's a good finisher, smart on the ball and good with both feet and his head. He's at a decent age and for a fee similar to what we paid for Kuyt, worth a punt.
Papa G
If Dempsey leaves Fulham he will go to a top 6 team
For me Saurez is Dirk's replacement, and if we keep Dirk he will be Saurez's understudy.
Yes Dirk's getting on a bit, but as cover for Saurez he would be perfect!
dmedly
I would love Dempsey, & he will be into his last year of his contract very soon. He might be ready for a new challenge.
The Irish Rover
I wouldn't shoot you down at all as I think Dempsey would be an excellent addition. He could easily plan wide left or right, interchanging with Downing.
I don't know for sure, but I think (if something like this were to happen) that he'd be the most expensive American transfer ever? We've already got the England record, why not get both! :-)
RDL
Yeah probably will be, how much did Adu (the forgotten one) cost Benfica (I think) or Donovan at his spell at Leverkusen?
Glad people agree, premiership experience with reliability and consistency. That said we did buy Downing (who I rate, but hasn't settled yet) with the premise of performing straight away.
I don't trust anyone we sign anymore to settle quickly as our tactics do seem a little mish mashed and questionable at times.
Papa G
27 Mar 2012 21:21:25
Everton will absolutley destroy us the way they are playing, ive never seen us play so bad in 40 years, Not looking forward to the semi at all
What like they did
Just 2 Weeks ago???
Lyndon
You forgetting the other week? We walloped them!
Totally different side 2 weeks ago
Me thinks Bellamy will be back and he will be the driving force needed for the Mersey Derby, not that Gerrard, Pepe, Carra etc...need that!
dmedly
Im sure it was Everton...
27 Mar 2012 21:09:00
There is only 1 man who can rescue LFC and return them to greatness.
And that man would be any of these candidates
Sven Goran
Jose Mourinho
AVB
Pep Gurdiola
Jurgen Klinnsman
Martin Jol
Alan Curbishley.
There's not 1 man then is there? There's 7 men! LOL
MR EM
How thick do you have to be to write this??
Say there's only one man and then list seven!!
Chris in Tamworth
''only 1 man'' and you name 7 men, clever
That's 7 men!!
Lyndon
Oh please..!
Only one man and then you list SEVEN?
The only one I would even consider as a good choice would be Pep, but I have reservations over him to reproduce in a another club and/or country without some of the worlds best players around him!
dmedly
Ha are they doing one day a week , thats a great job .
redforever
Alan frecking curbishley you having a bubble bath son.
Alan partridge is a better candidate
King luis
There is only one answer to this post...
Your an idiot!!
baby faith
There is only 1 word to describe he original poster...
Idiot
Stupid
Thick
Useless
Fool
Dumb
Dense
Why why why
27 Mar 2012 21:06:59
When is Agger due back from his injury? Since he has been out we have leaked stupid goals!!
April 1st
Think agger is back april 1st bellers too .
redforever
27 Mar 2012 21:05:34
Watching the blues..te with my grandson he's only 5.
He kept shouting big andy! he thought kyriakos was andy :) lol Had to explain to him it wasn't; he's not convinced though.
kidmillions
Same pace and ability uptop
Kyriakos scored more goals!!
MidlandRed
27 mar 2012 21:04:51
torres 50 mil miereles 12 mil babel 5 mil - 67 mil. carrol downing henderson adam enriue suarez - 110 more or less. 40 mil give or take. signifantly lowered wages. a reason why we'll never take j. cole back even if he would of done downings job 100 times better. we wouldnt sign a star even if he wanted to join.the owners policy bought us sh*te players and they probably wasted money on there price tag that would of been worth signing someone good who might have a high wage but reasonable price instead of spending over 60 mil on downing carroll henderson, i like these players but none of them are bareley worth 10 mil. peace out
Wow, a Joe Cole fan. Took our money and gave us nothing.
27 Mar 2012 20:59:12
eds if carroll and kuty leave will we sign 2 strikers or 1 and bring the youth through?
also are we intrested in tello he looks like a good young player
thanks eds
Carroll is the youth
Carroll is as slow as a pensioner!
27 Mar 2012 19:51:54
Hi Ed001,
Do you know how close Kenny and Roy Evans are any more? Our biggest problems this season have been in the attacking side of the game, and under Evans we played the best attacking football I have ever seen. I would love to see him brought back in some capacity, or even bring Robbie or Rushy back for a few sessions and teach the current players how to hit the back of the net.
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I would love Roy to come back too, he is a great guy, and watching his team was amazing. They are friends, I don't know why Dalglish hasn't asked him to return as a coach, maybe it is felt it might seem demeaning to a man who had once been manager? Or maybe he has been asked privately and pride has stopped him? I doubt the latter though, I remember him and how much he would gush about the club and his love for it before he became manager, I can't believe he would ever reject the chance to return. Even though Moores treated him disgracefully.}
Apologises for jumping in, but do you not think the PL has moved forward and so should we?
I'm not saying get rid of KK, but we need to move forward, not constantly rely on the past or our history to get us out of our league position.
If your wondering I believe KK should have one more season, but I'm not sure going back 15-20 years is the way to go.
dmedly
Ed,
That would be really fantastic if he could join us. We really need a coach who can tell the attacking players on how to attack the box when having possession.....plus how to speed up when we approach th box....where to shoot when in the box or out of the box....small details but could still make a lot of difference.....
Ed, if you remember I had asked abt Kevin Kean and you had said you will find out abt his contribution ? any luck...do the players find his work interesting?.
..
to me it looks more like a Steve Clarke appointment rather than Kenny choosing him??
LiverBird {Ed001's Note - the feedback I got was pretty mixed, which is quite normal anyway, but I did speak to someone who worked with him at West Ham, he was scathing in his assessment of his abilities as a coach. I don't know if it was sour grapes though, he was highly rated before he joined us, after all.}
Why did moores treat Evans so badly ed? {Ed001's Note - he would constantly interfere, undermined his authority actively by interfering at every turn and then brought in Houllier to completely destroy his career. Evans is, in my opinion, the best English coach bar none, he should be being chased for every big job, it is criminal that his loyalty to our club has ended up ruining his career. You can't manage a club without discipline, you can't have discipline when the chairman is overturning every action you take because it is one of his 'mates' being punished.}
Wow thanks ed, I had no idea was only a wee baby. What does Roy do now? {Ed001's Note - dammit, I typed a big long answer to this and must have forgotten to tick the box to submit it! Sorry, quick answer this time is, I have not been keeping close tabs on him, last I heard he was still helping out at Wrexham and doing media work. Criminal waste if you ask me.}
27 Mar 2012 20:41:13
to be honest we need a winger a playmaker and a striker:
redmond, callejon from madrid,marin,drenthe as wingers
ranirez,eriksen or sessegnon
soldado,luuk de jong,tello, cavani(little chance) higuian
What we need is the players we've got to start putting the ball in the back of the net, and get over the pressure of playing for a club like Liverpool!
dmedly
Pressure? what pressure?, as for the players listed redmond no , callejohn?, marin no chance, drenthe no, ranirez?, eriksen absolutely no chance, sessegnon nope, soldado lol nope, tello nope , cavani lol absolutely no chance, higuain lol please stop I'm laughing too much
Kenny will not buy players with skill,pace and a football brain.so expect another 2 or 3 Charlie Adam's.
27 Mar 2012 20:37:39
Means as much to Blues beating us as winning the thing.Come on Mackems
27 Mar 2012 20:35:55
Said all along saw Efc as more of threat,and their flying.Mngaye,Baines and Jelovic will cause us real trouble with inventivness and pace.They have to beat us sometime.Come on Sunderland-up it
Ge'ez...do you know what it means to support your club?!
"What's with the negative vibes?"
dmedly
Realistic not negative post.Everton very impressive
27 Mar 2012 20:34:00
I think we should keep an eye out for Viktor Fischer of Ajax, very exciting prospect and still only 17/18. Very impressive during the next gen series and could play striker/second striker. Comparable to Christian Eriksen
Man Utd linked with him...
Don't care about united..
27 Mar 2012 20:33:40
appoint Jurgen klopp as manager
27 Mar 2012 20:13:15
What I find strange about Kenny buying Carroll was why he opted for a tall, strong target man at all. The game Kenny likes to play is short, quick and sharp al of which Carrill doesn't fit into. Now I'm not here to slag off Carroll, he's damn frustrating but does have talent. What we clearly lack is a poucher and when losing Torres (our key goal scorer) we really should have considered someone in that mold.
I imagine some responses will cite that the top two targets were Gomez and Llorente, but that shows that Carroll was signed because of size and to fit our team in some magical way.
Others may state that he's a plan B, a link man used to hold up the ball and bring others into play. Well firstly Kuyt is a far superior player at doing that and Carroll really is a finisher designed to be on the end of crosses and destroy centre halfs. That's led to both Downing (who I rate very highly) and Adam (who I don't) arriving and possibly Henderson which really depresses me.
I know a lot are defending the transfers made and personally I see the talent in Downing and Henderson, I just personally feel that, that one rash decision has proved most costly going forward. It's affected our style of last year (the time when Carroll was injured). The fluid attack that ripped defences apart and laid on chance after chance for Kuyt and Maxi to bury.
It's gut wrenching to see us play so badly at Bolton, QPR (for 17 minutes) and against Wigan. Their are plently of other factors e.g Lucas injury, Suarez ban etc but I think as we evaluate the season you'll see that with Carroll comes a certain style and despite my hope he just doesn't fit into that. Some like Downing will benefit more with a fox in the box and others like Henderson will grow into our team. But until Carroll goes or learns to adapt fast I can't see the goals or style we witnessed last year return for a while yet.
Papa G
For me this is the unanswered $35M question as well. If you want to play pass and move, why pick up Carroll? It's not his game at all, that much is very, very obvious. And if you don't get Carroll then you don't need (necessarily) Downing, etc, etc.
To your point, we seem to have half a team of one sort of style, half a team of the other, and change tactics pretty frequently. While I think any professional player should be versatile enough to roll with it, I can't say it makes a whole lot of sense to acquire a very expensive asset whose primary strength is diametrically opposed to the style of play you are trying to implement.
Anyone that can make sense of this?
Didnt he buy Chris Sutton for Blackburn..
The reason why i thk kenny got him must be to have a plan b while liverpool play against teams which defend with everyone..stoke for instance..who jus go away, happy with a point..a big guy like andy would come in handy at that time..give the bloke some time..he definitely wasn't bought to "hit the ground running" as others..(sry if anyone thks i talked BS)
The sense I can make of it is that we need different styles of play against different opponents. There for we need different types of players.
I think big Andy has a lot of potential. We must not forget that he is 23. The same age as Walcott and Daniel Sturrige who people refers as young prospects.
One of the previous posters and forgot to sign my name. Your thought makes sense that it might be to allow for different styles of play to suit the opponent, but I guess for me I'd rather just see us play our game and make the others adapt. I think it's pretty difficult to switch play styles in practice although maybe that explains some of the less than great performances we've had thus far.
I'm not anti-Carroll by any means as I think he could (if he applies himself) be quite a good player, but pass and move isn't his strong suit.
RDL
27 Mar 2012 19:41:38
Summer 2012
We should bid for:
(CF) Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
(ST) Matías Suárez
(LW) Dries Mertens
(CAM) Gaston Ramierez
We should sell:
Kuyt
Maxi
Adam
Cole
Aquilani
Poulsen
Red Otter
I thought poulsen was gone. {Ed002's Note - He is effectively gone.}
Huntelaar... Yes please he is the mutts nutts
Phooey
ps how much would he cost if available?
27 Mar 2012 19:13:56
I'm not going to mention names here but I thought I would emphasize what you get when you hire a european coach....
A good knowledge of (insert country) players.
An ability to bring in those players as they are more willing to work with a coach of same nationality or speaking same language, and who has status in their home nation.
When you have an english coach you get the same but for english or british players...sadly there are not many good english or british players so regardless of the managers status in the british game he cant really attract many good players...as there arent any.
Rafa got the players he got because of his status in spain, same will go for any other foreign manager. This is why Kenny has gone for (mainly) british players as they are more likely to sign for a british manager. So stop moaning about the player bought as there was noone else available to him.
Nevada
Hope we get an North Korean coach then!
You have a very good point! Mourinho knows about portugal, and got Cavalho, Deco and other portugeese players to Chelsea. Rafa buys spaniards, and german coaches buys german
Houllier mainly bought French dross
German or Spanish coach it is. I personally wouldn't mind Marcelo Bielsa, he's Argentinean and managed the national side ad Chile (with interesting tactics/formation. He gets great energy ad style from his team ad Athletic, are a wonderful team. I know they struggle in the league but they have a limited number of players to choose from (due to the Basque restrictions) and a small squad.
My only doubts are his standard of English (Ed's or others may know about this£, his desire to manage an EPL club and his unproved level at a very top club, which we're despite what some say.
Papa G
How many Scottish managers are in the PL?
dmedly
Hi dmedly - the answer is Two (many)
DM2012
27 Mar 2012 19:09:49
Reina
Johnson Agger Skrtel Enrique
Gerrard
Downing A.Johnson
Ramirez
Suarez Cavani
Surely that would represent a good summer window? Eds how realistic is that? Of course we'd have to sell a few bits of dead wood.
{Ed001's Note - oh come on, Cavani??}
Cavani is unrealistic, and I think A. Johnson are fine settled at the time at s**tty. Think Soldado is more realistic, but not with King as coach.
27 Mar 2012 18:49:10
Question for everyone...
At the start of the season if we were given the choice of finishing outside the top 6 but win the carling cup and have a chance at the FA cup. Would you take it?
People on here talk sometimes like we have already won the FA cup, lets not forget that we have not won it yet and doing a cup double is not exactly easy is it.
Nevada
I would have settled for no trophies but some F*****g good football, played by some F*****g good players!
All I wanted was to enjoy watching Liverpool again.
After Hodgson (whether we won or lost) and also Rafa and Houllier, I hated watching our style of football, KK came in changed that and whether we win or lose I enjoy watching again...maybe a tad frustrated as of late, but I realise that we are just missing a few key players (a poacher).
If we win The FA Cup then I feel we've done good, but KK knows there will be know excuses next season when it comes to the PL!
dmedly
Winning FA cup will just paper over our already wide cracks
27 Mar 2012 18:41:06
Evening Eds, I think Aquilani has completed his 25 game deal to make move to Milan permanent. So can we expect him as good as gone or is there a chance for Milan to do a Juventus like last summer. Thanks
AJ {Ed005's Note - Yes he'll leave.}
27 Mar 2012 18:40:13
Some phrases I hear on here which people think are applicable but arent...
Rome wasnt built in a day...
But Mourinho built chelsea in a year.
It took Fergie years to build his title winning team...
That just shows how slow Fergie must have worked in his early days because Dalglish only took two years at blackburn.
Keep the Faith...
Most of us have been keeping the faith, since Souness told us, then when Houllier said we were 6 steps from greatness, and then when Rafa promised the title, then Roy, now Kenny. Thats a good 20 years of faith keeping, most people dont even stay with a partner for that long.
I'd eds input if possible, Why do you think that it took Dalglish only 2 years to win a title at blackburn with less funds, a lower quality squad, lower quality pools of players willing to sign for them. It should be easier with us but he is finding it more difficult. Why do you think that is?
Your faith will be rewarded once you start signing your posts.
LiverBird
27 Mar 2012 18:33:14
Liverpool are closely following Barcelona B winger Cristian Tello (20), who has a buyout clause of 10M.
@by sony
Ya with a buyout clause that if he turns out to be great they have him back for a Quid!!
Lyndon
We don't have a hope in hell's chance of getting him..He will probably be in Barcelona's staring line up in the next 18 months.
27 Mar 2012 17:59:35
FFS give Kenny one more season, deserves that after winning a cup. If you want him sacked go support chelsea. If we get the same next season then he becomes fair game, but I doubt we will be this bad in the league next year. Carra will ply less, Lucas will be back, gerrard will be fit, kuyt will be replaced, Carroll is getting there, hopefully suarez will not get banned, downing will hopefully deliver, we will probably get one or two first team signings and the youngsters will be a little older. Be positive, all this negative crap does us no good.have some faith and don't be trigger happy. Rafa is also not the answer.
Red first & last.
Totally agree and I think Downing is starting to deliver.
KernowRed
BULL! Kenny has already spent 40% of Rafas total transfer spend for 6years!
Kenny is a person a grade 1 plonker!
TIME TO GO
A lot of hopes there, I also hope I win the lottery.
We need a modern manager to manage in the modern game,
kenny is all primed up to join souness on the pundits circuit ......
upperparlycarly
Thanks for your obvious views my manc friends
ND
27 Mar 2012 17:57:26
Its clear on here that we love the club and im sure that everyone would agree that no one is bigger than the club...the club comes first,first and first so to speak...the truth is (and its a sore one) that we've become a good cup team, not just under kenny, but go back to souness,evans, houllier,benitez and you'll see we've only challenged for the league title just twice in that time...why!!...the players at the club are just not good enough to produce the consistancy to win the league....our past and our tradition are a wonderful thing but they have now become a milstone....we go on about the lfc sides of yester year....1989....how many years ago guys....when we needed a right winger and a centre forward in january...we did nothing...no ambition to become better than we are...always strenghtening our weaknesses...i would love if it worked out for kenny but there is a sense of deje vu about where we are today....we wont even cross out newcastle this year...and we should be looking over our shoulder becuase of the way we are playing....too much money spent on too much dross and passengers....fact is steven gerrard has carried the team for so long i dread to thing where we'd be without him....with all that money from the champions league going elsewhere, those teams will get stronger...thats just a fact...we got our priorities all wrong this year...we had 38 important games to play...try and win as many as possible....the season is judged be where you are in the league....and my friends...we are a million miles away from even finishing fourth....we can all blame who we like, but the buck stops with kenny on that..even the great man would be first to admit that himself....in fairness...he has spent a lot of money on poor to average players (we all know who they are)..sorry, but we need a new manager who has an eye for a good player and plays with the ball on the deck type of football...passing the ball with a bit of purpose and fighting like a dog to win it back if you lose it..play with a bit of flair and style...and score a few goals....who that man is up up to our american owners.
27 Mar 2012 17:55:34
i hope liverpool sign demba ba for his 5 or 7 million release clause and adam johnson for about 15 million , and obviously offload carroll back too newcastle for how much we say .. i think with them two signings we will look a better team , demba ba is that finisher we need !
He's not exactly set the world alight since returning from the African Cup of Nations I should know he's been rubbish in my fantasy football team.
Adam Johnson for sure
Adam Johnson is a squad player. He rarely performs for 90 minutes. Impressive when he comes on as a sub, but usually disappointing when he starts.
Lol why would johnson go to a club in decline? He could sign for arsenal, spurs, Chelsea or Newcastle before Liverpool. Sorry reds fact now.
27 Mar 2012 17:50:06
sterlings contract runs out in 3 months just so you know !
No it doesnt
27 Mar 2012 17:45:05
Is Bellamy actually injured or are the growing rumours of some sort of bust-up with KK the reason why he hasn't played for a while?
Don't know
27 Mar 2012 17:39:54
Fewer points than same stage as last year im told.Is that true Ed?
With a cup in the bag and a semi on the way
U tell the truth.lol
A semi on the way (chuckle, sorry) are you watching some provocative material, sir?
Gav
Haha I was thinking the same Gav.
Square tomato
Good one
27 Mar 2012 17:34:50
im no football manager but come on anyone can see we need two wingers who can take on players and cross the ball simple as that come on scouts
We bought downing for that...
Also, Gerrard is capable of that as well but we play him the middle.
I agree, though we need more of this in the team and better...
How realisitc are football management games. Which football management game is best.
They are usually pretty unrealistic but FM2012 is the best one I have played.
How do you know they are unrealistic? Are you telling me you are a professional football manager?
Gav
What? Who's going to put the ball in the net? We create chances? We don't take them thus increasing the pressure throughout the whole team. We need a proven and talented goalscorer to partner Suarez.
kidmillions
Kidmillions hows about Bellamy in the interim?
27 Mar 2012 17:28:40
Some people forget Rafa's baffling substitutions during games, the number of players he kept on signing every season on ridiculous contracts, never allowing them to settle, or like most cases not good enough.
The first season in charge he finished outside the top four, which you people seem to think is much important than trophies, in a much easier league compared to now. Yes he won the Champions League, but I think luck played a huge part in our favour.
Yes he has signed the likes of Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Lucas, Skrtel, Agger e.t.c, but except Torres, it took at least a season for these players to show their true ability.
Rafa during his time was a great manager, but there is no guarantee that he will get us Champions League football straight away, and then the people calling for him will be the first ones against him.
I think it is only fair if we give Kenny one more season, just to see how well the squad is with a couple of right signing, in a settled squad with better understanding and less pressure.
I believe that we will do good, just need to back the manager. We don't want to be successful the way Chelsea or Man City have become, as it is not the Liverpool Way.
John
Someone speaking some sense!
MIKEYRED
I agree, but give the guy credit - he built the team that's got us the highest ever points haul in the premiership and second in the league a few years ago.
Couldnt agree with you more john! excellent post!
We mustn't lose our identity and the one thing that sets us apart from other clubs and other fans.
Danski
Yeah, but Rafa did also buy a truly world class striker who hit 50 goals faster than anyone in our history. He bought one of the best midfielders in the history of liverpool (Xabi) and then they were both sold for a massive profit.
He also bought Reina, Agger, Skrtel and Lucas who are now the mainstay of the team and have played under every manager. I think only Enrique would play under a new manager from Kennys signings.
In addition to this it was two of his 'baffling' substitutions which gave us our win against Olympiakos and set us on our way to Champs league glory.
Rafa did also win the best club trophy available in his first year with a very sub standard squad. Yes he may have had players on large contracts but when you buy world class players you pay world class wages. Kenny has bought players which have not even been classified the best players in their position in the england team.
He bought a lot of tat but he paid pennies for that tat, when he spent big he usually got it right (with the exception of Keane). His man management left a lot to be desired but then Kenny has hardly inspired the troops to glory this year and I dont believe Rafa ever had a worse league finish than what we are likely to get this year.
I'm not a kenny out guy but stop comparing the two because based on their performance in the modern game Rafa was way ahead at the same stage in his liverpool career.
Kenny has spent less on wages but far more on transfers so its not as if we are miles better off, plus when Rafa sold he either made a small loss or a profit. Not one of Kenny's signings will be sold for a profit...not one.
Nevada
Good to hear some sense after all.....
Spoken like true fans of the club as well as the game....
LiverBird
Sorry I should have added suarez to the list of players (all two of them) who dalglish signed that would likely play under a new manager.
Nevada
As I said, how long with the exception of Torres, did his signings take to settle, and perform to their best of their ability?
Alonso played his best football in his last year in Liverpool, Lucas in the past two seasons, Skrtel, this season e.t.c
If our fans were patient enough to give them time to settle, why not give our current crop of players time? All I hear from this website is constant abuse, how do you expect them to improve if we show no support?
Money wise, he spent £20m on Aquilani, £18 on Johnson(he's good but no way close to his value), £12 on Babel and £19m on Keane and sold him when we were in desperate need of a striker.
And how long did it take Rafa, with the squad he had to have a shot at the league, 4 years. Give Kenny the time, lets judge then.
John
Its not that I hate Rafa, I have huge respect for what he has done for our club, but for us, he is not the way forward.
John
I agree hes not the way forward I think that people should stop comparing and accept that he was good, had his shot. The same could be said for Kenny though, he is very lucky to be getting a second chance at Liverpool.
I think he should get another year, the point I made was that in terms of progression Rafa had progressed far more than KEnny at the same stage of his career at liverpool.
Nevada
27 Mar 2012 17:24:18
Jose Enrique on LFC progress,
We have made great strides and claims our current league position does not reflect the potential within the squad.
Is he talking about the same squad?
8 points from 33
Too many overpriced avarage players seem to be wearing the Liverpool shirt
I for one think he talks to much.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
Personally I think a lot of liverpool players chat to much to the media,they should stop talk and start performing as talk is cheap
To be fair enrique does perform
Enrique been off boil last half doz games
27 Mar 2012 17:10:48
Does anyone know when agger will be back?
gee man
April 1st - no fooling
27 Mar 2012 17:09:31
Just watched enriques interview and he is right when he says the players must take responsibility for on the pitch issues aseell.that their all disappointed in past two results.dont just blame kenny.DORSET RED
He talks to much.
They all say we can do better but they never do. Empty words.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
It makes it more difficult with fans like you "Thatracoonstolemybacon". Shooting down everything they say and are quicker to find negatives than positives. I feel you talk too much personally, already.
Alex
While i'm sure that my comments dont affect the performances of the players i was mearly stating some of Liverpool's players should show us what they say they can do rather than talk about what they can do.
Thatracoonatolemybacon
27 Mar 2012 17:06:45
alot of the players that are being linked to lots of major clubs at the moment all seemed to have been linked to us years ago
javi martinez
iker munian
nico gaitan
to name only a few, plus players we have let slip through our fingers, biggest 1 being david silva, who christian purslow and the 2 fat texans thought wasnt worth £20m, dani alves, diego milito, jovetic
in years past we attracted europes brightest young and up and coming stars, torres, alonso, babel etc
my point is every top team misses out on targets but still manages to find better or equal to it, i really dont think we are a big enough draw anymore for top quality players
I believe we need to 'lower' our expectations as to who we can attract, based on two key factors:.
1: Cost, realistically we should be looking at
£5m-£15m max for any player.
2: No Champs League, but Europa to offer, means we will attract a different calibre of player.
Don't expect superstars are the often touted 'Marquee' signings, because we will not get them.
Honestly, I rather the club spent wisely, and brought in good players and a bit of variety, rather than waste it on £35m flops!!!.
27 Mar 2012 16:59:32
Reina, Agger, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Dirk Kuyt, Alvaro Arbeloa, Lucas, Skrtel, Glen Johnson. Admittedly a few stinkers in the mix at some times, but safe to say Rafa bought all our best players, just look whee the ones that left are playing for now. Where would kenny's sighnings go to after us, you think Adam and downing would play for Real Madrid or barcelona?
Umm 11 out of 76, that's a great percentage. Who remembers Josemi, Kromkamp, Carson, Gonzales, Voronin et al
Oh jeez, just wait for the list of crap players he brought! A very one sided point of view!
The Irish Rover
He only got most of them because of the finance pressure imposed due to the Bonanza bozzos from Texas.
I wouldn't say Carson was a bad buy. He was a good understudy.
Jonesred
What about Suarez & Enrique could they end up at Barca or Real one day? Quite possibly.
6 of those still play for liverpool, please rafa come back
I dont think there is a need to respond to the original post.
He is not a liverpool fan but a fan of some other club. All we will be doing is wasting our time on this guy...
Move ahead.....
LiverBird
27 Mar 2012 16:38:21
My cousin bumped into a guy called manny alexander who knows john henry, on the masspike while she was travelling to logan airport in the states, and manny told her that KD is out unless he brings home the fa cup due to his '' jurrasic'' approach to the modern game. {Ed002's Note - Man I love this stuff.}
Manny Alexander used to play for the Redsox back in the day...but what would he know about LFC , KD or '' the modern game '' ??
Unless he was simply repeating parrot like exactly what the yanks are saying behind Kenny's back. {Ed002's Note - Accept it for the BS it is.}
I actually believe this {Ed002's Note - So this guy was hitching a ride on the trunpike was he?}
Wow....how do u come up with this...lol
Pankaj
Hey Eds , It does have a ring of truth about it though and if they met on Interstate 90 there are plenty of sandwich bars and the like along the way to the airport. {Ed002's Note - You are right. I heard he was working a Krispy Kreem nowadays.}
I know i made it sound like one them was thumbin a lift, but he was actually signing shirts and stuff like that at the time they met.
Kreme ed
It's actually funny that somebody spend the time they get on the Internet at the "special Hospital" to think that up!!
When he could of been on Redtube
Lyndon
Hey lyndon watch out buddy, you can go blind so they tell me lol
ok as a northend fan this don't mean to much around here I know , but if this is BS
it's pretty good BS you have to say :)
That's why I have a Braille keyboard!!!
The same Manny Ramirez that was run out of Boston for being an overpaid primmadonna? That is now serving his SECOND ban for steroid use? This site cannot get any better!
an american red
27 Mar 2012 16:37:16
Hey eds and follow reds any news on Bellamy?
Gaz b
Most injured players are due back 1st April.
Not april fools day i promise
27 Mar 2012 15:59:01
Why is there such a clamour for Commoli's head? I dont see the reason for the vitriol directed at him? His scouting remit is probably to pin-point players and present a dossier to 'The King' who will make the final decision. So if anyones to blame for the woeful signings this season apart from Suarez and Enrique its KD himself (By the way didnt Allardyce say he was happy that Enrique chose Newcastle istead of Liverpool a few seasons ago so Enrique was a Rafa target) Anyway the point im making is that Comollis in a win win situation. He hasnt got the authourity to overide Kenny and so when the signings we make dont have an impact its Kenny's fault because he has the ultimate say. My only gripe against Commoli is that he's a shady looking f***er, insider dealer looking type!
27 Mar 2012 15:53:11
i have heard that kenny will be in control of the academy next season, and lfc will appoint the manager of iceland, he rejected offers from farmfoods and aldi.
so all this talk who will be joining us is pointless, because who in their right mind would want to finish, 7th 8th and maybe win a cup.
the team needs ripping apart and vast amounts of money spent. like jose did with chelsea.
i would love to see liverpool back at the summit again, but with baited breath i wait.
also lucas proving what a player he is by being injured, miss him more than we missed stevie.
The team does not need ripping apart, its a couple of quality additions away and maybe a couple of replacements.
Jose didn't rip Chelsea apart, his only signing out of our main core of the team was Drogba.
Chelski
Cole cech Essien {Ed002's Note - Cech was signed by Ranieri.}
Lucas's absence has seriously damaged our campaign, he is immense, the gap between our midfield and defence is a playground for any good footballer on an opposing team, thats why we have been getting beat. remember the city game when lucas had silva (who at the time was probably the best midfielder in europe) in his pocket for 90 minutes.
lucas hurry up back kidda, you've been sadly and sorely missed
27 Mar 2012 15:51:09
I'm sorry but why are people calling for Rafa back? He won the champions league with an inherited squad and yes he got us to second place in the league but if you remember correctly he tried to sell xabi the summer prior and tried to get Barry. Not taking anything away he had a good time and the final that he got us to, the champs league and trophies we won were great and I am grateful for that. However, look at the team he left us with, no xabi, mascherano etc. I feel we cannot simply go back to Rafa we need to move on and move forward. I know kenny has done poorly in the transfer market and spent all that money, okay he signed a few outstanding players but the amount of money he wasted was outrageous, players like kronkamp Nunez, far below the quality we need at Liverpool. He paid 20 mill on an injured player that doesnt now even want to play for the club (aquliani) we cannot simply go back to Rafa we must move upwards and onwards.
MIKEYRED
Please enough already with the Rafa Bashing. Who else since the King has got us second place in the Premiership and won us the European Cup. The man is a Liverpool legend and rightly so. His selling of Xabi was neccecitated by the tumours that were running our club he had to weal and deal to keep refreshing the squad. If he was allowed to buy Silva or Jovetic we would have one the league. Yes he made mistakes all managers do but respect the mans legacy and the way he took the fight to the tumours and cecil. The man needs revering for saving our club and all he gets is vitriol and ridicule shame on youguys. I for one would love him back grinding out results, playing tactical football and beating Barcelona at Camp Nou or would you prefer to watch us being beaten at home to Wigan and being booed off the pitch?
It seems people want to live in the past, and have forgotten how boring our football was at times, and the millions he wasted as well. Ross
It's Dalglish that's living in the past mate.
Yeah kk does not waste millions
How is Kenny living in the past he is trying to bring in young players. This is why the club has bought in so many youngsters Ross
I do not want to go back to zonal marking thanks, teams had learnt how to play us. Rafa cracked in the year we got 2nd, and it was Hamman and not Rafa that got us the Euro win, remember we were all at sea until Didi came on, Rafa picked a half fit Kewell for that match. If KD were to leave we need someone new, but I think KD should have another season
No mascherano ?? are you serious, he left for more money, he refused to play because he wanted to go elsewhere, we have a guy twice the player and 10 times the man in lucas, future captain of brazil
He didn't sell Alonso because he needed the money, Alonso wanted out because of the way Rafa treated him over being at the birth of his child! Rafa treated him babel and kean awfully! Great tactician poor man manager.
Waro
Treated Babel and Keane awfully..? Dont make me laugh...Keane was awful for us missing one glorious chance after another. I solely blamne him for us not being Premiership champions the year we came second. As for Babel hes not exactly player of the year at his new club is he? He had his oppurtunities but decided not to take them hows that Rafa's fault? Alonso may have a case for being treated unfairly but as I said in an earlier post...Everybody makes mistakes i.e Fergie with Staam.
Why do people keep saying Rafa won us the CL? He was playing with an inherited squad, we were 3-0 down and he had little choice but to change things. The big difference for me was the introduction of Didi for which Rafa had little choice. My view is the palyers won it not Rafa. I was always a big supporter of Rafa and hoped he would turn LFC into a UK Valencia but he did not. let us not go back. Nice guy, loves the club but I do not think Rafa is the way forward. Give KK while and we we will get there.
Iggypop
PS Thanks to the Eds for not charging us more than 60p for a post!
I'm sorry but to the guy who said would we rather be grinding out results or losing to Wigan, the problem we had in the league then was that we couldn't beat teams like Wigan we lost to the stokes etc. we even lost to Middlesbrough the year they got relegated. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that he did do a great job in bringing us trophies etc. but what I'm saying is we need a fresh approach not just going back to the same old if we get rid of kenny. Rafa wasted millions, he could have kept alonso but he tried to swap him for Barry and then the following season he left, when alonso left that seems to be the point in which we started to decline.
MIKEYRED
MIKEYRED! 2 point's! you say we got beat by Middlesbrough the season they got relegated! well nothing new this season! except we got beat by all of the bottom three this season! 2nd point! you also say that Rafa won the CL with an inherited side? so Alonso Garcia never contributed nothing to that CL campaign? as if my memory is not failing me i seem to remember Luis Garcia scoring a screamer against Juventus in the quarter's! and that goal in the semi's! Alonso as you know scored the third in the final! were those two inherited!
Are all of you that said we need a fresh approach and we shouldnt o back to our past Dalglish fans? The man could not be more from our past if he tried.
27 Mar 2012 15:41:06
We need to make signings of unearthed gems in the game. Liverpool have been great at scouting talents all throughout Europe. I mean, who had heard of this lot befoe they signed:
Alonso
Garcia
Skrtel
Agger
Sissoko
Even Reina was unknown to many of us.
The point i'm making is whilst big signings would be great, some of these less known players being thrown around could be true talents.
Thoughts?
CSE9
I totally agree, who had heard of hernandez ?? modric ??
Who signed all those player's?
Anyone who thought Reina was unknown must be ignorant to Spanish football, I'd seen him play a lot before we bought him. Was a barca youth product and was easily the second best keeper in spain. {Ed001's Note - I was thinking Alonso was the one that you would have to be completely ignorant to know nothing about. He was very well known in the football world, Toshack had been talking him up for years.}
27 Mar 2012 15:40:56
Im going to support Nando's at least you get a meal at the end of wait.
27 Mar 2012 15:40:14
if you give rafa 100million, he'll buy quality if he could, eg one quality player
rest rubbish.
Next year he'll do the same. One quality player for 100million,
rest make shift
So one untill we spent a fortune on players. and he has 5 decent players.
What's the point in the post??
That makes no sense at all. Wasn't Torres the highest transfer fee he paid?
Some may say Keane but that wasn't Rafa's signing.
Jonesred
As long as that 100mil player was Messi! i would'nt give a flying!
27 Mar 2012 15:27:47
will we buy foreign players prior to england players in summer?
27 Mar 2012 15:22:36
Ed, I seem to recall one of you saying the other day, that the owners didn't go with their gut feeling when choosing the manager, but instead listened to the fans and went with Dalglish. Do you know who the owners were looking at last year to put in place instead of Kenny? Cheers
ToonRed {Ed002's Note - I think they had an open mind and were taking advice. Certainly Didier Deschamps had been recommended to the club on more than one occasion.}
Hypothetically ed002, is Deschamps looking at a move from France? I thought if he went anywhere Chelsea might consider him albeit not first choice....
Richards {Ed002's Note - I am sure that if an attractive proposal were made to Didier Deschamps then it would be something he would consider. Marseille would not stand in his way.}
I cant believe we are discussing Deschamps....He rejected us at the start of last season with the dummy of taking of Marseille to a new stadium in 2014.....
He hasnt had a success since taking Monaco to the finals of UCL in 2004.....
Juventus didnt want him after their promotion to Serie A from Serie B...
He has flopped after a bright season winning the Ligue 1....even with likes of Gignac and Remy present in the squad (both 18 mil plus signings)....
Kenny brought us up when we were on the verge of relegation places last season....This season though we have almost the same points but we have won a Cup and are in the semi finals of another...
If this is not progress, I dont know what is....I have been a player myself and whehter you are playing football, hockey, tennis, etc, A MEDAL IS A MEDAL....
Its a shame that people cant see that....
Ed, Do you agree with this nonsense?
LiverBird {Ed002's Note - What nonsense? It seems more of an irrational rant.}
27 Mar 2012 15:10:49
Bring back benitez!
Indeed mate
27 Mar 2012 15:08:31
SP,
You mention faith, i dont think you have any left. You sound like a tired out hack to me, reaching for one soundbyte too many.
The ideal football club income would be divided equally between match day revenue, screening rights and corporate investment. Most EPL teams, inc Liverpool, are weighted too heavily at present in favour of television. Hence the push to bring in new corporate deals (Warrior, Adidas) and address the stadium issue.
Your Bundesliga top clubs are too reliant on corporate income. What will happen if the euro goes pop and the German economy stalls ?
I enjoyed your post yday on 'real fans'. I agree totally with you. Sadly you're about 25 years too late in pointing this out. 'Wooly baiting' at matches had its day by the late 80s. Nowadays i would say that the scouse accent is probably in the minority at Lpool matches. Ask our Everton cousins and theyd certainly confirm this !
In short mate, its you who has failed to see thar change has occurred. Or at least you recognise the negative changes but dont want to believe there are positives.
This gloomsday scenario you are painting is another media-led soundbyte, convenient cos its KD in charge, and a stock to beat the club and sell copy.
Questions and criticisms from fans are fine, and natural. But something will have changed at Liverpool the day that its fans force Kenny out.
The Real KB
Read it. Ignored it. Moved on.
SP
SP,
You mention faith, i dont think you have any left. You sound like a tired out hack to me, reaching for one soundbyte too many.
The Real KB sounds like one tired out cliche ridden poster to me!
"But something will have changed at Liverpool the day that its fans force Kenny out."
And maybe that's what we need - a change. So reliant on history and so reliant on old boys to push us into a new era. This is exactly what's wrong with LFC when the so called 'superfans' won't hear a word said agianst any tradition or beloved old boy. We are going backwards and have been for the past 20 years. From winning the league regularly and winning Euro trophies we are now top six if lucky. Don't say it goes in cycles as it's been 20+ years and the Mancs are still there!
Take the red glasses off and smell the reality and stop slagging off and bullying anyonewho doesn't agree with your views. When the fans force any manager out it's because they are the club and don't think it's working. This is Liverpool FC not Kenny Dalglish FC mate!!
Ant66
The real KB, 100% spot on lad, this SP joker hasn't got the balls to get to his real point which is " HE WANTS KENNY GONE " strap on a pair SP and just come out with what you want to say! Your entitled to your opinion on Kenny SP so insted of going around every house you can just express it! And stop boring the arse off everyone!
Waro
Waro - this is a fantasy on your part. I say what I think. Come back to me with the words that suggest I want KK out. Read them carefully or ask a friend to find them for you, then tell me I think what you want me to think and want me to say! If you can't construct an arguement that doesn't include abuse and nonsenical phrasing, then don't bother getting involved in this discussion. I suggest you read my piece on fans yesterday. It sums you up aptly and concisely.
SP
Boring the arse off people Waro is self-opinionated people like you without a thought in your head but a big mouth instead. I'd rather read anything by SP than listen to your drivel.
YNWA87
"This is Liverpool FC not Kenny Dalglish FC mate!"
Excellent point.
'When the fans force any manager out it's because they are the club and don't think it's working'
Ant - The last i remember LFC is owned by the Fenway Sports Group with John W Henry and Tom Werner at the helm. I'm quite sure LFC is not owned by fans... let's leave the decision-making to the owners, shall we? Singred
SP " PRAWN SANDWICH BRIGADE " sums you and YNWA87 up aptly and concisely! Why don't you two meet up and converse over a nice bottle of red and see which of you can use the most contrite and arrogant posting on this site! Apology's for backing my manager and being scouse, bye bye old bean!
Waro
Whats wrong with a bottle of red now Waro? It is 'red' after all. Eh? Get it? No, fair enough.
Ash
Waro - a ridiculous retort and shows what a class warrior you are. Utterly clueless. I suspect in another life you'd be saying "Good job" to Bruce Ismay or suggesting to Captain Smith that he 'steam on and go for it!' Support who you like and with everyone hearing you neat your chest. This is Liverpool FC, not Kenny Dalglish FC.
SP
Waro you have made a muppet of yourself with that pathetic post. SP is also a Scouser so stop throwing your weight around with that one. Your spelling shows you're not that well educated so you get a little bit of sympathy but talking about what people drink? Schoolboyish, juvenile and very very embarrassing. Shameful to use your own poor ill educated persona to have a go at anyone. Utterly shameful.
Thank God retorts to ignorant Waro posted at last.Mine never were
You Kopped for it there Waro! Get it? Kop-ped! Ah well!
27 Mar 2012 14:58:44
I don't write much on this forum but like reading most of what's posted. Blair YNWA had some good points about our current situation and I respected that. Then I read a lot about how we should get rid of King Kenny and at first I was saying no but now I'm thinking some of the posters are right about him.
I do agree with kidmillions that we need some time to look at where we are and that it's not the end of the world. The one person I either find myself stunned by or agreeing with is Steve Parker. I don't agree with those saying he never makes a point or takes too long. His stuff is better than the newspapers and why the hell he ain't on the radio I don't know. Maybe he should get onto his beloved talkSPORT!
Steve said recently or maybe it was YNWA that we should work on a business rather than a sentimental plan. I agree with that. I still love King Kenny but it isn't working.
Paul RED8
27 Mar 2012 14:38:45
you know i write bad things on here about our manager and players when we lose to clubs we should be beating.and then later on when ive calmed down i think get over it this is liverpool the greatest club in the world.i then reget my sayings and breath a deep breath.we will rise again soon and im sure that kenny will take us to the top.o.k some of our players are taking longer to settle but im sure when they do we will start seeing better football.come on fellow reds get behind our club and let the rest of the world know we are still here and always will be good luck for the rest of the season guys YNWA JFT96
27 Mar 2012 14:33:27
Eds, any word on the new kits? Do we know when we're going to see warrior's design? I'm hoping for a classic look... I'd like to see us go back to the 70's and have the "ringer-t" look with a small amount of white around the neckline and the bottom of the sleeves...
YNWA USA {Ed002's Note - There have been several mock-ups but I am not sure if they are wishful thinking or based on information available. A recent one was very 70s with a white V neck. I guess May will see what Warrior will be doing.}
Thanks for the quick response! Here's hoping we get a design as classy and timeless as our beloved club!
YNWA USA
Please tell me this isn't true! This is fantastic! Your even making your kit look like it did in the old days! You really do live in the past! LAUGH!
Chelski
I think our nicest kit is the 2002 home kit with the white cuffs, reebok and Carlsberg and the Liverpool badge centred.
BthkingB
Since the fact that you're on an LFC banter page demonstrates your secret desire to support a real club with a tremendous heritage, I would like to request that warrior make the rags that we use to polish our 5 European cups Chelsea blue in your honor, Chelski...
YNWA USA
You only kept 1 trophy so how would you polish your 5? Taxi for YNWA USA
Chelski
The past is somthing chelsea doesn't have and dont give me the trophies in the last few years they cost roman near a billion.and still no big ears how sad is that.
gee man
How many trophies Big or small did u win this year? And when did you win CL. Regards Danish red
Pointless arguement Danish red; how many have you won in the past 6, big or small?
Melbourne CFC
Pointless argument Melbourne CFC. How many have you won this century, big or small?
Martin
Nice one Martin! that shut Chelski and Melbourne CFC up! Hehe
Are you kidding Martin? This century we have won an infinite amount more PL titles than you, as you have won more CL than us. We have won more FA cups. Whats the point your driving at?
Didn't shut me up, I was busy watching Chelsea win a CL away league QF.
Melbourne CFC
27 Mar 2012 14:21:05
Hey Eds,
Why exacly did we sign Jordan Henderson when we have Jonjo Shelvey?
Thanks
thatracoonstolemybacon
Have no idea?? You better ask kenny that same question, shelvey is a far better player than Henderson but I bet clueless kenny still puts useless Henderson on before shelvey ???? Why !!???
I agree they're very similar, seems strange to me. Perhaps Shelvey's attitude will lead him away from Anfield, like Pacheco.
Papa G
Henderson's hefty price tag is the reason, he starts ahead of Shelvey. Otherwise he has been absolutely crap for most of the season. i hope, he'd learn from this and would do good in the future. But Shelvey deservs a chance. YNWA
It's hard to remember a game Jonjo played and he did'nt have a positive impact!
27 Mar 2012 14:06:57
I know have have made a couple of comments regarding enrique leaving newcastle for you lto today but I have some sensible comments now.
Do you think KK is to blame for the signings? He knew the team needed more quality, he knew the limitations in players he could sign (ie. currently LFC can't attract hgue players unless they payed man city wages). And also he had been out of the game a long time.
I blame Comolli (sorry on spelling) for the signings...he has been active in the game for man years and should have had realistic targets lined up who were better and cheaper than all the english players signed.
KK only signed what he knew and thought might be good buys and players who were proven or proving themselves in the premier league.
As a newcastle fan I have seen since we were relegated out scouting team, led by graham carr, identifying players from around europe who are talented and cheap. A lot of research goes into our signings as we haven't got silly money to spend. KK had no time for this as he hadn't been at LFC long and will have spent most of last season getting the most out of his current players.
Your scouting network should have worked harder looking into possible targets and not left KK to have to sign the only players he knew.
27 Mar 2012 13:40:57
Bill Shankly went 6 years without winning a trophy 67-73 whilst graduallly rebuilding.
Emlyn Hughes I think I'm correct in saying won nothing in his first 5 yrs at the club.
kidmillions
Shankly joined Second Division Liverpool in December 1959. They were Second Division Champions in 1961-62 - 8th (18 months later) and First Division Champions and 1963-64 (18 months later).
Different times
Fab times all together for shanks ,players and fans , red mick tag
It's not about "different times" - it's the ignorance of the original post
27 Mar 2012 13:27:53
This short term outlook has got to stop.
It was always unlikely we would get 4th place this season. City have unlimited funds, United have had a squad used to winning, Spurs have the best squad in the premiership and are actually underperforming, Aresenal are Arsenal and technically the best side in the league and have been for years. Chelsea have despite some of the mug oldies some top players.
We bought the players we did for many reasons, including primarily; that our first choice targets were unavailable or did not want to join us.
For example, Carroll was bought after LLorente was made unavailable. Ashley Young turned us down hence we bought Downing, so did Jones and Mata.
Henderson was bought probably instead of Sissoko which was a mistake and most likely Kenny's call. Interest in Adam also came from Spurs and Man Utd and he chose us.
The solution to the problems that face us is patience. The addition of a couple of new players will make us more competitive and we should next season pick up more points.
It is going to be a long slog to get back to fourth place. Our squad will slowly evolve but superstar names are off the menu for a while. The scouts need to find some gems and avoid premiership banana skins. The players we have need to get more confidence and play regularly and in the right positions.
Long live the King.
YNWA
Would also like to add that when Anfield gets redeveloped we will most likely be switching alot of revenue from transfer fees to construction costs (debt repayment). It will be lean times and again patience and support will be needed.
Have faith.
Long live the King.
Skrtel for fans player of the year.
27 Mar 2012 13:10:26
hi guys and eds. in my opinion, we will have a new manager before the start of next season. also i hope players are sold as many of them are not good enough. but what do u guys and eds think about the possibility of frank rijkard being the next liverpool manager. he is the reason why barcelona are winning trophys and he can attract great players. also why wasn't maxi given a chance to play against wigan?. he was scoring goals but kenny still does not start him. thanks.
Frank rijkard, gives us a break. And next when things are the same sack him??
As he done anything since!!
The Barcelona youth team coach gave him a load of great young player to just send out and win games
Lyndon
Lyndon
FSG refused to hire Rijkard because of his 'personal activities' - Ed will testify to this, right Ed!? {Ed001's Note - yes.}
27 Mar 2012 12:40:16
hi edds just wondering do bolton and spurs replay the full match or does it restart one all were it sadly ended? {Ed002's Note - The full match.}
Was it not nil nil anyways?
Was 1-1
27 Mar 2012 12:36:14
No wonder the rest of the Leauge seems paranoid.Utd mustve won 4 Titles with the help of Officials.And Taggart first to bemoan decisions,especially at Anfield.Awful bottle by ref last night.Could list loads,but remember Spurs goal that never was?These arent even contentious.Must be great to have so much assistance in your Trophy haul
27 Mar 2012 12:15:14
Rafa's 1st season = 58 Points
Rafa's 2nd season = 82 Points
Kenny's 1st season = 42 points with 8 games left.
Now, this stat could prove kenny deserves at least one more season!
You know 16 points is a lot of points out of 8 games. I am not defending Rafa or attacking Kenny but you should've been fair and added in Rafa's first season we were also in the champions league which we eventually won, also this is not Kenny first, he was there at the start of the January window last year, so its at least 1.5 seasons or even 1 and 2/3 rd.(just to highlight Kenny had 3 transfer windows as manager)
Roy
Rafa was class and anyone who doubt him doesn't know a thing about football. He won the CL with traore, biscan and kewell!! and the following CL final were unlucky to lose!! and should've won the league if the team hadn't bottled out!!
If Rafa had KK's money at his disposal we would've won more league titles than MU....long live KK but Rafa was and is class...love KK but love LFC more.
p.s. commolli is a joke! sacked everywhere he's been and we employ him!!
The team that Kenny took over was the worst team we have ever had, we had a load of players who were not good enough, and were all on stupid contracts. This takes time to sort out; some of these players were bought by rafa.
These players didn`t want to leave because they were never going to get the salaries we were paying them. I respect rafa for what he did, but would not want him back as this a backward step, and he would have not spent the money any better. Just look up some of his quality buys. Ross
We can speculate till we are 'Red in the face'. Truth is Rafa won CL with most of Houlliers team, then apart from finishing 2nd and the odd cup success, let things slip. He got distracted with his spats with SAF, Media and Owners, not to mention Parry.
Reina, Agger, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Dirk Kuyt, Alvaro Arbeloa, Lucas, Skrtel, Glen Johnson. Admittedly a few stinkers in the mix at some times, but safe to say Rafa bought all our best players, just look whee the ones that left are playing for now. Where would kenny's sighnings go to after us, you think Adam and downing would play for Real Madrid or barcelona?
A few stinkers, that is the understatement of the year. Lucas was very poor under his management, He sold Garcia, Arbeloa, and pushed Alonso out. And the less said about Torres and Mascherano the better. Rafa became more interested in starting feuds with people than his own team. Ross
Still had an eye for talent, who would buy any of kennys sighnings now?
My original point about why Kenny needed one more season was because of the improvement from the side in the league - who says kenny can't improve the side as much with another winger and a poacher signed.
27 Mar 2012 12:01:45
Question..if Woy hodgson finished last season as LFC manager , what league position wud the club of been in ? We have 8 league games left now get behind kenny, then see what happens in the close season. personally i dont like comolli at the club, very much ino stats, hes a hinderance!
JayB
We wudnt have got suarez if commoli hadnt been around. I can bet that kenny hadnt even heard of suarez before he signed for us. kenny wud have probably signed bent or defoe, n now we wud have been in relegation battle.
Indian Buzzer
27 mar 2012 11:54:15
why are we playing like this ?
mu, mcfc and the rest of the teams scoring goals without any problem .....and we are strugling !!!
if kk continue to be there and continue to buy hendersons, adams, downings ............ forget about winning the prem crown ! kk is giving reasons for clubs failure in wining games .....that should not be the case.........our players dont have "we can win" "nothing is impossible" attitude!
forget about giving time and few seasons to improve the squad !! the manager can turn things and if players play with positive attitude......i just cant believe we can lose to teams like swansea , blackburn ,wigan ....but other teams can run over them with ease !!
yes i know we have won cups etc etc which i dont deny but consistencies ) the players are paid massive amounts of monies and this is what we get in return ?
i am getting frustrated by the way we are playing. it is predictable and no creativity.
next season , i guess we continue to do the same thing and we discuss the same issues here ie ventilating our frustration......
i respect all the teams and i dont undermine any of them. if lfc loses to any of the teams ....i will always say this " the best team won against lfc" "we are not as creative and as clever as them" " we just have no believe in ourself"
so it is of no point hating all those teams......it is our team whom is not performing!
(though i never support mu) mu came , played consistently , wining is only aim , never say die attitude .........continue to build part by part .....aiming for best players only.........
what we would have next season ? a new lfc , good players or best players , new manager or same manager , the list goes on........
frustrated reds fan
No creativity? i think your watching the wrong team. We have been extremely creative this season, finishing it off is our issue
27 Mar 2012 11:50:36
I know i should really be concerned with my own team and our struggles, but it really is entertaining to watch your 'rise' go so well. Squashed between Newcastle and Swansea in the League and still beleiving to be a top team challenging for top honours and the top players, its all very amusing. Keep it up guys, at least when all else fails you still have your sense of humour. I think its about time you got use to a future of Second rate British players and foreign talent, with the odd Carling Cup victory and Europa League run. And wheres cozinoz gone? We've missed him on our page.
P.S. Don't forget to tune in tonight to watch us in the Champions League....again. Could be a while before you ever get chance to watch yourselves in it.
Chelski
Show some respect! :-)
Melbourne CFC
Win it and then come back and post
eam
U will get beat the night cardoza will rip u apart but i expect u will go thro in the second leg.good luck to you and your team as u probally wont be in it nxt year either
mrbrown
I'm sorry guys, but he does have a point. many of us here talk about we'll just need this or that player to win the league next year or wether robben will arrive as if we were some points away from second, or even 4th place. we should stop being so proud because we once were really good. sad fan speaking. Leni
(plus we should stop slating the other fans right after the occasional awesome win over their team, united for being out of the fa cup, Arsenal for losing at the emirates etc. what goes around comes around, and i hate those vulture posters as much as anybody else does)
Melbourne are you bringing you mates to play on here!!
Lyndon
Not bad for me ! we won carling cup,can win FA cup, will play in europa and if we be the champion may be we will play with barca in the European Super cup ! and if we win those 3 along with curling cup we could get 4 titles in a year ! quite extra-ordinary !!
and what about cheski being 3rd/4th maybe 5th in the league and won 0 cup ! quite mesmerizing ! good luck lol
I don't understand how someone that supports a team that has never won the CL can be such a big mouth and to win it this year you will probably have to beat Madrid and Barcelona so you have no chance, so stop your stupid bragging and remember we won it five times, that's FIVE TIMES, and that is why we are a big club and you will forever be in our shadow which is proven by you and your little friend spending all your time on our side, i never go to the Chelsea page because they mean nothing to me.
It's like when you see a guy in a Ferrari, people with crap cars always slag them of. It's pretty much the same reason you two are on our page trying to slag us off.
MR EM
I thought i would bring the IQ of the page up a little.
Melbourne CFC
Don't forget to get your little plastic flag out.
Dont worry Chelki and Melbourne CFC. You might actually win a European Cup one day..
Sam Adzii JFT96
In all fairness Mr EM you are much more likely to see a ferrari in london and a crap car in Liverpool. I only come on this page because your ever respectful fans come on ours to rub in results. Before cozinoz (a good man in all) came to ask about how Torres was getting on I found no need to venture on to this page.
I am in agreement that it will be tough to win the CL. It would ofcourse be a little tougher if we were not participating. But we are, as we have 9 years in a row. When the day comes that we can fill Roman's heart with joy I can assure you that I will be back to share my joy with you lot.
Melbourne CFC
P.S. Don't forget to tune in tonight to watch us in the Champions League....again. Could be a while before you ever get chance to watch yourselves in it.
Chelski - that is so funny! Coming from a club that has NEVER won a trophy that even a 2nd rate Romanian team has won! LAUGH!!!!!
I didn't know a second rate Romanian team has won the PL title, or the FA cup, or (this should bring a smile to your face) the Carli.... Nah, thats not a real trophy.
Oh i get it no name. The CL. You should really be more specific or people will get confused.
Melbourne CFC
If you knew anything about football Melbourne you would know the CL is simply the European Cup under another name and that Steau Bucharest won it in 1986 when they beat Barcelona.
Steau Bucharest are my second team, very poor effort on my behalf no name. If you knew anything about poor humour you would certainly have a better understanding of my response.
Melbourne CFC
To be honest your right be a while before we get back in CL properly but when we do we will at least challenge rather then make up the numbers.
Sad truth to all the Arsenal /Chelsea and spurs fans is that LFC probably have more chance of winning the CL and there not even in it.So you know what they say if at first you dont succeed keep keep trying and if all else fails sack another manager, good luck with benfica as im sure Barcelona would love to meet you lot again see the effect of your great youth policy.
I have had an idea. Just like the Eds copy and paste replies so that they have a standard answer for when people ask the same questions over and over again. I think it would be most useful if they made one for Liverpool fans when they are having banter with another team. Its just that it seems unfair for you to have keep rewording your replies time and time again when you can all use the same one to save time.
So lets try this
"We have history and have won 5 European Cups and 18 League Titles, so that means we're a big club and we don't associate with 'smaller' clubs because they don't matter."
Sound good? Melbourne you can be the first to try the reply, see how it sounds mate.
Also, funny how cozinoz hasn't replied to any of the posts on this page? Could it be that he doesn't actually come on here and instead just chooses to use the Chelsea page? Strange considering we're a 'smaller' club who doesn't matter?
Chelski
Chelski
In all fairness Chelski cozinoz while a little misguided does respond with wit and doesn't drum on about the history all that much. This guy above you takes the cake. He thinks Liverpool will win the champions league before 3 teams that are going to continously keep them out of qualification over the next decade.
The other day a manc came onto the page to try and wish them well, its all gotten a little sad really.
Melbourne CFC
All the best tonight Chelsea!.
Thank you mate, if all doesn't go to plan i expect a view visitors on our page, which we will ofcourse welcome as warming as we have been welcomed.
Sincerely hope that our teams can have a few epics in the next couple of years. Not to mention the end of this campaign.
Melbourne CFC
27 Mar 2012 11:30:32
Glad to see some fans starting to show some emotion. It's all well and good to be patient and see where the next season takes us but we all know our squad isn't going to suddenly turn the corner. We've wasted a lot of funds on useless dross. Dross that I fear Kenny and Comolli will persist with.
So be patient, yes. Now fast forward five years..... The year is 2017 and we haven't won crap and we're lingering in 6th or 7th without having champs league football since 2009. Maybe we will win a carling cup or fa cup somewhere along the way to boost spirits. Will we still be optimistic that things are looking up? That the top four is just around the corner with a handy signing. Or maybe we'll just make it all better by reminding ourselves of our many past glories and thus we're still one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Remember what made our club so great. The philosophy of one man. Shankly infused us with the spirit of a clan of warriors and gave the fans and players a belief in the philosophy. At the moment I see a handful of signings patting themselves on the back for finally making it to a truly great club and I see some fans patting them on the bum for doing so. Obviously there is no one like Shankly out there and yes, Kenny is a legend but all the excuses make me sick to the stomach. I wont start listing them all because I have more respect for the man, as do most but come on people. It isn't good enough and those few signings need to be moved on and replaced with hungry suiters.
Kenny definately has the hunger and the drive but as far as our squad goes.... there are plenty of options out there with a lot more passion and drive than some of our first eleven and Kenny needs to stop making excuses for them. Make an example of them for the rest of the season if need be and give some of the young brigade a chance to prove themselves. Maybe they'll show some spark and reignite the fire of our first 11.
Our club is way bigger than any player and they need to be reminded of how privileged they are to don the Red of Liverpool.
OzredSa
Bill Shankly went 6 years without winning a trophy 67-73 whilst graduallly rebuilding.
Emlyn Hughes I think I'm correct in saying won nothing in his first 5 yrs at the club.
kidmillions
Oh yeah sorry you're right. Let's just wait for these great signings to gel. Heck Shankly waited years so let's just sit back and watch one lack luster performance after another. Heck we should just shut our mouths and sign some more likewise up and coming "talent" and hope they can make the jump to world class standard.
I'm as frustrated as anyone at the results and some performances have been the worst since souness was in charge, but KK is rebuilding and it will take time. If he moves on and someone else will come in they will have to do the same. We have to face facts that without CL football we will not attract top players;- and i'm sure that is the current goal of all at the club. It's easy to follow a winning club;- it's harder to support one when things are'nt so good. If you want instant success go follow MU or MC or CFC and then you can switch clubs next year to whoever is winning;- if you want to follow LFC then be a supporter and show some respect to the Club if not the team cos they're not world beaters. Give it time and we will be top, where were CFC & MC 5 years ago, money talks and we have owners with business sense. We have a new stadium to come, we have a big fan-base - it's all there to start positive changes for teh better. Gillet and hicks killed us and we need time to recover and it's the same situation that will not change if Kenny moves or stays. Love u all x
27 Mar 2012 11:23:09
best team if all fit for kenny:
-----------------reina-----------------
--johnson--skrtel---agger--enrique---
-------------lucas--adam--------------
---suarez------gerrard----downing----
----------------carroll----------------
bench:doni/coates/kelly/henderson/spearing/kuyt/bellamy
now thats a very strong team.if we sell the players not needed who are not in squad or on loan see below:
not needed:
cole
darby
aqualani
eccleston
amoo
jones
aurelio
maxi
possibly sell;
johnson (cant defend high wages)
kuyt (age against him)
doni (wants to go home)
so we need at least 3 players to replace the 3 above and another two id say for squad depth.heres who id sign if the players would move:
mauricio isla-injured atm but a very good versatile player covering rb/lb rm and cm
luuk de jong-going to be a gem can play st or as rf.
matt phillips -young with loads of pace and skill and is very versatile as hes played everywhere this season
gaston ramirez-very gifted cam and the player we need to unlock defences.can play as cam,cf,st,rw
so thats 4 players all under 23 who are versatile and will give our squad what we need.
team next season:
-------------------reina------------------------
---kelly-----skrtel----agger--enrique--------
-------------lucas--gerrard----------------
--ramirez-------suarez-----downing---
-----------------de jong---------------
bench:pick from gulacsi/coates/isla/henderson/adam/spearing/phillips/bellamy/carroll
send out on season loans:
wilson
shelvey
silva
adjoran
wisdom
coady
suso
DORSET RED
Wheres Sterling?
Yip ad like to see tht team nxt year and very possible to ad sign jordan rhodes aswell and put him on loan to a championship team he is a top finisher
mrbrown
Don't forget (according to your post) that we would need to replace a goalkeeper!
Sterlings at school doing his homework.
27 Mar 2012 11:07:34
To the short sighted and short memory Rafa fan just check out some of the memorable signings of the Mr. Benitez:
Charles Itandje, Diego Cavalieri
Josemi, Antonio Nunez, Pelligrino, Jan Kromkamp, Fabio Aurelio, Gabriel Palletta, Emiliano Insua, Philip Degen, Andrea Dossena,
Mark Gonzalez, Jermaine Pennant, Boudewijn Zenden, Momo Sissoko, Sebastian Leto, Albert Riera, Alberto Aquilani
Fernando Morientes, Andriy Voronin, David N'gog, Robbie Keane
Enjoy!
All signed for (bar Robbie Keane who you can't really blame him for) a net spend of a fistful coppers!
Ash
Yeah? they're better than Kennys
Yes but he didnt persist with those you listed that were truly hopeless. I fear Kenny believes Carroll, Downing and Adam will start performing the way we need them to over time. Our brand doesn't suit Carroll and Downing and Adam are just useless. Actually add Carroll to the useless pile aswell. But i'll bet they will all still be here in two years time.
Will this all contribute to 120 mill?? if yes...then he sold alonso for 30, his signing torres for 50 mill..which will give him a return of 80 mill from two world class players...
Now Kenny..only 5 buys...cost 100 mill..and result..we are sitting below wen rafa was in charge....
if we sell carroll what will we get?
if we sell adakm what will we get?
I am a liverpool fan and i love KK..but there is a hell lots of difference between a good manager and good player..
Rafa have won things while manging...Kk sorry dont seems.
What about Aquilani? Didn't he cost 20 mil?
And it showed Ash!
KK has won more than Rafa benitez as a manager.
BthekingB
What about Aquilani? Didn't he cost 20 mil?
=============================
No actually Aquilani cost 4m upfront , the rest of it is in installments and the total deal wont add up to 20m, because that figure was based on him playing a certain number of games and other factors that is no where near happening. But even at 20m, in his very short playing time at Liverpool he was more useful than few other recent signings.
Roy
Yes..kk has won more than rafa..so u think Messi will win more than what he achieved as a player...player and a team manager is as big as earth and sun
In defence of Rafa if his signings werent up to the right level he got rid, never let pride get in the way like GH. Just hope king has the same mentality.
FowlerisGod
You mean Alberto "I want to go home to my mommy" Aquilani?
I think Morientes was our lucky omen for the Champion's league 05 as he did the same for Monaco the year before!
Let's not forget about Rafa's outstanding signings like the followings too:
Pepe Reina, Scott Carson
Glen Johnson, Alvaro Arbeloa, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Yossi Benayoun,
Luis Garcia, Fernando Torres, Peter Crouch, Craig Bellamy, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel
Not going into the list he targeted but unable to buy due to lack of cash.
27 Mar 2012 10:46:05
I listened to TalkSport last night concerning our club and have to agree with most things said on the show.
For those of us that didn't listen, thanks for that great post
Missed it anywhere i can listern to it
Anybody on here tell us how to listern to talksport of last nyt
Yeah I know how you can hear it, you stick your head in the toilet and flush it.
Stu
27 Mar 2012 10:41:55
Where is the yellow line at the bottom of my tv saying kenny has been sacked.Are the owners that clueless about football. We will never get in the top 4 with a manager as bad as kenny.He aint no king no more have you guys seen the things written about him on the net he should have never come back to destroy liverpool. We have lost 4 out of 5 games any other manager would be on hes bike but not kenny because of hes name he still has a job. He needs to go back to hes cruise and take the mickey mouse cup with him.
Kenny makes Avram Grant look like a great manager.
You are the kind of modern fan i despise
FowlerisGod
27 Mar 2012 10:35:40
So we have the Worst manager for liverpool for 60 years the stats don't lie. Its not about the players he signed because lets face it they are s**t its about the price paid for them. Tactically kenny is clueless he leaves andy on the bench when he started playing well what a joke.A manager with a good tactical brain can change a game with a substitution but Kenny can not. In any interview i have seen Kenny comes across so bad it makes me wish we had another manager.The suarez inncident left me thinking that kenny forgot to takes he's medication. Results are so bad we are bottom of the form table. We have lost points and matches to teams fighting relegation. If kenny Miller had he's shooting boots on we would have lost the carling cup to a championship team who were better then us. Yet he still keeps he's 4 million a year job WHY
Yesterday the stats told you that you have more of a chance winning games if Andy Carroll starts. Trust me mate, sometimes the stats blatantly lie! Does Woy count as a manager in the last 60 years?
Melbourne CFC
27 Mar 2012 10:27:30
"The Irritation of King Kenny"
The bandwagon rolls on: last night the abysmal talkSH**TE featured Collymore and a bemused Mark Saggers talking for two hours (in the station's true style that was about 20 minutes + 100 mins of news/ads/promos) about LFC. Despite Collymore's desire for no-one else but him to be heard - hence his almost shouty talking over of anything anyone else says - it was a reasonable programme. Strange to say that as I usually find it's chav-ridden tosh as palatable as an Ed Balls' appeal for financial proprietary!
Anyway - the number of fans who were clear about the way forward for the club intrigued me. One Evertonian made an excellent point about out failure to see beyond our history. It was a well made comment that outlined how hard it will be for us to move forward. He suggested KK should have stabilized the ship and moved upstairs. It was a point that a number of our own agreed with last night.
There was one red fan that came on to say we spent £100m last season and there was more money to continue the rebuilding. Where do these ideas come from? My mate is an architect and drives a 2009 Bentley Mulsanne. Nice car. Nice price second hand. He's short of money and yet holds onto his 'baby.' It's the same with football clubs. Just because we spent a fortune before, why should we think FSG has mountains of cash to further invest? It may have, but this is a fans' view that there 'will always be money to spend.'
In between talking over Saggers and ensuring only his voice was heard, Collymore suggested the club needed a vision of the way forward. It was a fair point; I wonder what we have the Academy for if that isn't a statement of our vision for the future. What the point did bring up was that sometimes clubs take it for granted that they have a vision and yet don't need to inform the fans. I will commit heresy here and say I am not certain the club has the sort of planned long-term strategy for a way forward outside of the Academy. I don't know that. I can't back that up, but it 'feels' that way to me.
Collymore (still talking over Saggers and in a louder voice to be dominant) then said we need a world class manager. Forgive me asking - is that not what FSG thought they were getting when KK was appointed? If not, then what does it say about planning long-term? The usual names were trotted out and then some sanity was restored when it was suggested we should look closer to home. That's for another day.
One of the real issues I wanted to look at was also highlighted in the programme. That was 'round pegs in square holes.' You buy Kuyt as a striker and play him on the right wing; using Downing on the left when he prefers the right; asking Lucas to play a defensive role when we bought him as an established attacking player. Having lived in Amsterdam and enjoyed a Silver membership of the Holland Casino (!) I love all things Nederlandse. That applies to Ajax and their philosophy of making younger players adept at moving around different roles/parts of the field. But it has been a bugbear with me when it comes to our own players. Remember the unhappiness he/we had with Gerrard stuck out on the right? This seems so simple to me and yet the management at a club often pretends it's a new way of working or a more modern approach to play players 'out of position.' True, they should be adaptable, but think Carragher on the right wing and Johnson on the left of midfield. Not a recipe for total success for my liking.
It was also amusing to hear Collymore (by now openly rebelling against Saggers having any control over the proceedings) suggesting that players like Demba Ba were virtual unknowns before joining the PL. What? Is die Bundesliga some obscure little league with players we've never heard of? Shame on you for even suggesting that Collymore. For interest, the clubs in the Bundesliga enjoy crowds that would make most PL clubs envious - Dortmund with a mere 82,000 home crowds and an away support bigger than the population of Crewe! So Stan Collymore a comment like that.
Back to the 'square pegs' topic and it is true that players seem to dislike being played out of their preferred positions. With this in mind, we say we need support for Suarez; if LS plays as a striker and we need another world class striker - who makes way? It would be AC surely unless we sell him or play one of the three out of position? How will that go down with potential targets when they think they may be bought and played in a role they don't like? As clumsy as the exposition about the point was, Collymore and the callers did have a genuine point on that.
As you get older you start to see things in a different light and at times things seem clearer. With football it seems to me that just because you work in the game, you don't always have the answers (or a clearer vision than those of us outside staring in) or the vision. Maybe this is why we are frustrated at the recent signings or lack of progress.
Finishing off I would like to hark back to an earlier posting and the subject of KK's future. This is not going away. Someone said KK looked ill on TV the other day - I believe that's the pressure. Collymore (now almost shouting at Saggers down the microphone) said KK started off his media interviews 12 months ago bouncy and bubby. Look at him now. Is this the right thing for him? The stunning collapse of Muamba showed what can happen in life and not just football. I still think FSG will make a decision very soon about KK. I expect it to be a promotion to a higher club role. It will then be back to Collymore's suggestion of a world class manager. (Just for those persisting with postings about Jurgen Klopp. Ask why he would want to take a step down to manage us at present?)
There is no doom but gloom at the club these days. That may well be dispelled by our FA Cup exploits. Change is on the way and we need to be prepared for it. For the first time in my footballing life I feel the weight of history may well be holding us back and dragging us down.
Steve Parker
How on earth did u write all that, no offence but there no chance im reading that lol, if anyone could summaries it in about 2 lines that would be fantastic!
Well if there's no chance of you reading that, I suspect you want TV programmes of more than 3 minutes condenses to 30 seconds? Sometimes an education is wasted on people who can't be bothered to read something, but still find time to comment on it!
Another tedious post from the windbag who talks round and round a number of points but never gets round to really making any.
Redpath
You're fond of quoting Die Budesliga Steve aren't you ?
This paradise of huge (standing !) crowds and European football giants.
Their league has been built back up by a buoyant economy, infra-structure investment with the World Cup, and huge corporate sponsorship to the bigger clubs.
This in turn has allowed the clubs to fill their new stadiums and at affordable prices for fans.
Having said that, the German Clubs record (Bayern Munich excepted) is patchy and not a patch on its EPL counterparts.
German football seems quite insular to me. There is not the same level (maybe Bayern apart again) of international support, other than ex-pat and generational Germans.
Their game seems built up more to the interest of the National Team. It was ever thus over there.
I don't know where you get this idea that there is no vision at Liverpool.
Corporate investment into the club has greatly increased recently, there are plans to redevelop or rebuild the stadium, the club is well geared now to meet FFP Regs (around £30m cut from the wage bill last year), the Academy is one of the best in Europe, the club looks towards a possible European League in the not too distant future, and is also keenly aware of the possibilities that streaming technology could provide.
Steve, there has quietly and gently been a sea-change at Liverpool mate. It's happened and is still happening.
Don't let a poor and inconsistent League programme fool you otherwise, otherwise you are no better than the Saturday evening talk-show artists.
As Welshboy Dave said yesterday, it's all about form and results. People are starting to panic cos we're in a bad run. It's happened before and will happen again.
There should be optimism at Liverpool. We seem to have good owners, with an awareness to make the club's future sustainable.
It won't all collapse on a weekend, or over a season.
Liverpool's history can either be a millstone, or a source of pride, to everyone connected with the club. It will never go away. But just because we have, at the moment, a manager with a connection back to that time, does not make it all wrong.
For me, the remaining games shouldn't necessarily change anything. Unless we were to lose all of them. But we should see what Summer can bring and whether any of the kids can be eased in.
Lucas & Agger will be fit, Bellamy will be fit, Sterling may get more outings, Carragher most likely eased out. The starting XI instantly looks different just mentioning those names alone.
Let things develop !
The Real KB
Steve,arsenal fan here,well said,i feel l/pool fc have focused so much on your successful past it has just been taken for granted that it will just come back again like its some sort of destiny or karma.the moores family sat on their backsides,parylised like rabbits in a car headlight thinking this is anfield and we are liverpool destiny will take us to the top again while all around them clubs where planning for the future with dedicated youth accadamys and new stadiums.the moores watched finances dwindle and dwindle until eventually lfc actually made a loss in 2001 if i remember correctly before they thought oh sh-t,its almost like the old british motorcycle industry,bsa,norton ect.criminal!.now liverpool has passed from owner to owner and your still waiting for them to show you the way forward,with actions not words.i.e. concrete plans for a new stadium because the longer this drags on supporters are entitled to doubt the owners commitment because without the income generated with bums on seats in a new stadium the maths dont add up.lfc have a long road to travel to get back to the top if ever,it looks like you are going down the arsenal route i.e accadamy/stadium/business model,if i am correct then the money kd got was intended to stabilise/improve the team just enough to them let some of the youngsters filter through from the youth system if the youngsters are good enough your off and running,but remember also part of the stategy will be selling,so expect in the future that some of your top young talent will be sold if the price is right unfortunatly that will be part of the business plan .the end game is simple,eventually sanity will return and even the likes of citeh,chelski will be run on a business model one day then if your plan has worked you will be right up there with them or even beyond.kd may be the man for the job or not,i dont really know,i do know at this early stage of the plan cl qualification is essentially(the money)so the owners wont be to chuffed as the plan will prob need adjusting.but there is another option,there are more shieks out there and if you want sucess quickly,im sure if you shout loud enough kd will go followed by the owners and in will come another monsour and give you what you want.but bare in mind you will never get the respect for your acheivments and will be derided by all,apart from chelski and citeh fans that is.
trev the gooner
Aren't the German ticket prices alot cheaper than in England.
Lyndon
Firstly I think you need to get your wireless checked out; the sound level on mine was constant and level? Secondly one of the best left sided midfield players we have ever had, came to us a centre forward " Ray Kennedy" .
Thirdly there are too many people over analyzing and there fore coming up with more and more reasons,solutions and nonsense.
When the simple truth is Kenny has made one Glaringly bad buy in Andy Carroll. Goals change games and breed confidence any one who as ever kicked a ball at any level will tell you this fact.
Any team missing a true goalscorer upfront is eventually going to suffer and even start letting them in at the other end because of the pressure. It's that simple it's nothing complicated.
Liverpool Fc this very season with exactly the same problems, injuries and players but with say Van Persie instead of Carroll!
WHAT WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT NOW?
kidmillions
SP, if mr "I used to be a top player and now I'm a top journalist" Collymore says Kenny should go I'm almost tempted to say he should be given a new 10 year contact immediately! Fortunately you make a little more sense than mr shouty and I agree with a lot of the points raised.
I did post a comment a few days ago which I feel is very valid and that was that I feel Kenny needs to admit, at least to himself and the owners if not all of us, that he got a couple of signings wrong, has learnt some valuable lessons and therefore now knows how to move forward.
If come the summer I hear that Carroll and Adam will be sold, Henderson will be drip fed into the team, a new midfielder, winger and striker (at least one) will be purchased then I will be happy to go forward with him because I do believe he can do it with the right players
So simply put, for me, he gets more time
Chris in Tamworth
Every post is headed " The blah blah of Kenny" what's that all about?
kidmillions
"But we should see what Summer can bring and whether any of the kids can be eased in.
Lucas & Agger will be fit, Bellamy will be fit, Sterling may get more outings, Carragher most likely eased out. The starting XI instantly looks different just mentioning those names alone.
Let things develop !
The Real KB....."
I am fond of the Bundesliga (having also lived in Hamburg for 19 months in the 90s) and happy to say that. I don't buy into the PL as the best league in the world and financially it's so shaky compared to the Bundesliga it's scary! This is another point entirely, but happy to put my record straight on that one.
Your final quoted paragraph is another example of our ever hopeful wishing about 'next season.' This is the 'next season' that is always being looked on with hope. As I have said before - that 'next season' is always this season.
I try not to put faith in people maybe being fit, or players that might come in and letting things develop. I see no plan and have no answer to the ills. I see no strategy when the team is chopped and changed every other game. I see no long-term plan when it has taken us 17 years to ease another three inches along a change to another ground. I see no plan when we cling onto older players and say 'it's too early for the kids.' It is highly likely I am totally wrong and ignorant of any of these plans. What that would also suggest is that the club's promotion of its plans and information to its stakeholders is poor. Seeing the GJ debacle about his Suarez comments and the abysmal failure of the club's media people to take control, I believe this to be true!
SP
I agree so much.... with Redpath
BthekingB
Reddpath and BthekingB why shud there be any pointo a posting? the guy makes soem good points that u prob don't get. so what? it's like the difference between a book and two lines in a newspaper. i like what he writes and he makes some searching points on lots of things about the club. i like what he says. If u don't then just ignore it and why bother spouting about not liking it? You got the handbook on how to write for forums then mate?
Thank god we got so called windbags like SP ion here otherwise it would end up just being the same school playground bullies shouting about not understanding the big words. His stuff is miles above what most people post and he knows it and often says he might be too controversial or too long-winded. But he says it in detail and I like that. When I don't I just move on. Seems too many on this site just want to be bullies and can't be bothered to either read or pick through for the gems.
Someone needs to get a job
Red raj
Red raj that is his job
Chris from tamworth am with you here altho i agreed with sp yest about fans.i have just listerned to tht talks**te show last night and colly does state alot of good points.he visits liverpool is a member so like any other fan should be allowed his opinion.so wot you have said sp seems to controdicted wot you said yestaday, about everybody been a fan nomatter what
mrbrown
27 Mar 2012 10:13:50
You may have won a trophy but your league positions is under threat. If you loose on the weekend you could be in 9th place.
Enrique said Newcastle would never play in Europe again...shwos how wrong he can be.
Toonfan
I want LFC to lose this weekend as well !
If LFC win , then the news will be that LFC is excellent etc etc for a day only.
I would strongly believe LFC will lose.
Kenny should already be sacked he is living on borrowed time even the kop are starting to turn. To spend 50 million on carroll and hendo is a sackable offence on its own never mind the results.
Aren't the German ticket prices alot cheaper than in England.
Lyndon
Yes - but the wages are high and players are as keen to join German teams or stay with them, as they are to come or rebuff any of our bigger teams in the PL! They just operate on a system that only allows them to spend a percentage of their income, unlike the PL.
Cheers for that! Interesting to see how they manage it
Probably German efficiency
Lyndon
How has Sylvain Marveaux played this season?
Alex {Ed002's Note - He has been injured. The same injury that Gerrard had.}
But, enrique is playing european football next season...guaranteed.
what's your point?
Thank you, us Liverpool fans always listen to big clubs for our advice!
Liverpool are not the club they were... winning the euro cup was the last hightlight in your terminal decline....
27 Mar 2012 10:00:03
During Rafa's reign he used rest players before and after chanps league games, played a weakened side for the domestic cup games,at the time i slated him coz to me the premiership was what every supporter wanted.But i know understand what his plans were, being in the Champs league attracts not good but great overseas players. By getting these players it builds up a quality side which is then capable of wining the league. It gives the players experience of playing with quality and learning from them. He was so close to fulfilling that dream except the owners let him down and instead had to buy players that may or may not become great and on the cheap. We were 1/2 players short of having a great great side. Seems now we are trying to build a team to win the premiership with young British talent, will never work as British players alone will not win us the league. The point i am trying to make is that without champs league we will not make money to attract the best players but instead buy less capable players and therefore slip further down the pecking order. The clubs above us will invest in the summer making it even harder so next year top 4 should be the priority! Oh i would rather opt to see us play Real Madrid in the Champs league then Doncaster Rovers in the League cup (no disrespect) , wouldnt you?
Seems your memory of Rafa is rather rose-tinted...though he did build a team that was a couple of players away from being title-winning, the season after we finished 2nd he allowed Alonso to leave without finding a suitable replacement and spent most of our transfer funds on a right-back. Yes we all know he did not have the support of the owners that Kenny enjoys, but the money that he did have should have been spent more wisely, and it was not the owners who forced Alonso out - he did. Don't forget also that Rafa took a long time to discover a winning formula in the league, at a time when the teams below the top 4 were nowhere near the standard they are at today
Red Ollie
Rafa was given time to build the squad, why shouldn't Kenny be time to do so too? Singred
Red Ollie,
Do you know that Rafa/the team did not see a penny of the 32m we got for Alonso.
We went for Right back because we needed one, and it was Johnson because Portmouth owed us money from the crouch sale. It was Aquilani because he was available for 4m upfront and the club was allowed to pay the rest in installments, not many players are available in similar deals.
Roy
To the original poster....Rafa didn't win the league though did he ?
KJS
Will Kenny with this team?
Rafa recognised that our squad was thin and went out to expand it, even if it meant getting average players. Most of Rafa's bad buys were cheapies now we have expensive bad buys.Rest my case.
But Roy... that still isn't a replacement since he was injured for atleast 25 games of the season!
BthekingB
This paradise of huge (standing !) crowds and European football giants: Dortmund and Bayern + others = European Cups.
Their league has been built back up by a buoyant economy (crime?), infra-structure investment with the World Cup (we hosted the World Cup as well), and huge corporate sponsorship to the bigger clubs (just as in the PL, but they don't chuck the cash away on monstrous wages and agents' fees)
This in turn has allowed the clubs to fill their new stadiums and at affordable prices for fans (another crime?)
Having said that, the German Clubs record (Bayern Munich excepted) is patchy and not a patch on its EPL counterparts (context?)
The Real KB: answers that lot.
Unsarcastically can I say the post and the replies have been together one of the best posts i've read in quite a while on here.
I don't know what the future brings, if I did I wouldn't be posting on here. But as "The Real KB" stated, commecial income has increased considerably over the last few seasons, the academy has investment and we secured two of Barcelona's youth team coaches; in their own words it would take 4-5 years for players to progress through the academy and be ready for the 1st team or there abouts - that was 2 years ago.
The stadium is a difficult one; the owners want to redevelop Anfield as its cheaper and therefore the payments will be smaller and over a shorter period.
From the above I think we have got a future plan; but hey thats my opinion.
Do I think our history can sometimes be a hinderance; then yes as there is an expectation of success.
Someone mentioned David Moores, he wasn't a bad person but IMO he didn't know how to build on our success, we're playing catch up from 20 years ago and that unfortuantely will take time. A few seasons ago we had Carlesberg as our sponsers for £7m a year - Spurs were signing £80m 4 year deals with people - we haven't been competing on a number of areas.
Rafa was tasked of keeping us in the Champions League because of the money; he did that well. Should he come back? Not for me to sayhe made some inspired signings and some awful ones; it's not like FM where you can sell the player and agent fee's special bonuses etc.. are not apparent and need to be paid if the player doesn't work out.
Chelsea are being criticised for their change of Managers but if KK goes this year that will be 3 in 2 seasons 9Rafa, Roy & KK).
You also need to understand if there are long term effects if he went; players currently trying to get in the 1st team - will they be ignored? Will the quest for success mean we don't play younger players and try to buy other players? Will players bought into the academy lose focus and sight as their promises are broken?
Should the above mean we stick with a manager; yes we are in the results business but with the likes of Man City (stadium given to them; sponsership of £400m for stadium over 10 years) then the only way to succeed is youth and acquistions that work out - we know how many managers have done that well recently.
Overall I'm not happy with our position and I do think numerous players have let us down this year or not been able to "handle the pressure".
We do not have sugar daddy owners nor is it 30 years ago when we could gazump signings over Man U (Hysen); we are a lot more shrewd in our purchase because we have to be.
Will I settle for 2nd best - No. Will I be annoyed at the players/manager after a bad result/performace etc.. - yes. Will I come on here claiming to be the font of all knowledge and ask the manager (the same one nearly all called for in December 2010) because I do see some good football (thats unrewarded); trust me when Roy was in charge you could see he didn't have an idea and I was also saying he should go.
We stand by YNWA but on here we're making all at the club and associated with it that They are Walking Alone.
Media, Web etc.. have just made us worse.
Thanks for your time.
Hoola
To Red Ollie, Rafa built a side that was feared by all in the Champs league, now we have a side that is feared only by the Conference league.!
27 Mar 2012 09:58:15
Very interesting facts on Andy Carroll by a recent post. But lets face it he does not even want to be at Liverpool.
Who cares Forwards are bought to score goals if they dont they are a failure. He looks like 7 foot tall and he cant head the ball. He is big but has no power, he is the slowest forward in the Prem 30 year olds can run faster, he makes my gran look mobile,he falls over far to often,he cant pass, cant hold up the ball,never gets in to good positions he is USELESS just like Kenny.
I have to concede, honestly do not know what LFC saw in AC.
He is just contary to LFC's standards, and owners 'so called financial acumen".
Waste of money!
27 Mar 2012 09:48:14
LFC Worldwide
Did you guys know? Reina, Agger, Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez have NOT been on the pitch at the same time for a single minute this season!
That's the spine of our team who have not played a single minute together this season.
So what maybe if the manager got better players then we would not have the problem. Every club has times when key players are missing but we are crap with or without them. Kenny will get sacked in the next 3 weeks
I would add Skrtel to that list of player who form the spine of our team.
RedSG
FSG will not move Kenny upstair's till May June! and it'll be by mutual consent!
27 Mar 2012 09:39:31
New Liverpool pass n move way under kenny..pass to oposition player and then move away..simple..
Red indian
It's you that is 'Simple'
Spot on Red Indian. rather play dirty football n win, kenny's 'exciting football' s**ks.
Indian Buzzer
Obviously a Mourinho fan. Singred
Red Indian and Indian Buzzer, do you know each other by any chance? You have the same extremely narrow views on football.
Alex
Of course im a mourinho fan, singred. the guy is a genius, unlike kenny dalglish. I never wanted him as manager in the first place n im gonna stick with my views. U will probably be crying when he gets the sack come august.
Indian Buzzer
I'll be disappointed if Kenny is replaced come Aug because he was not given enough time. I said before I did not approve of him returning initially, but since he's in charge now, he has my support, just as I would support whoever is the manager.
I'm not going to tear my hair out arguing with you. Just listen to yourself: 'rather play dirty football, kenny's 'exciting football' s**ks'. Are these the words used by a LFC supporter? Truth is, you won't be happy with whoever's in charge as long as it's not Mourinho. Singred
It certainly won't be as long as August!
U will be crying anyways.
27 Mar 2012 09:34:22
I keep hearing we need to sign this player and that player because they are playing well and would cost an absolute fortune. We don't need to find this expensive player we need to find the right player I mean look at Torres he went to Chelsea for 50 million and look at him it doesn't always work. We have to realize we can't afford these so called big players with there big wages with no champions league and I know people will say well we need to pay the big wages to get in the champions league but we don't what we need is our scouts to do there jobs and find that special player that no one else knows about look at Hernandez he cost that lot nothing really. We can do it and challenge for the league without spending fortunes I honestly believe were not many players away from doing this so for everyone calling for kennys head (and in a moment of madness I was one of them) we are on the right track and Kenny is the right man.
Mat lfc. IN KENNY I TRUST
27 Mar 2012 09:14:20
Rafa would have spent the money better then kenny, if he had £35mil to spend on a striker he would have picked up a great player from Spain!!
Rafa also bought a lot of duffers as well. People seem to have short memorys Ross
Like josemi
Like morrientes?
What like someone on 4x the wages
Yeah but he didn't pay £35m for them!
I liked Rafa and he did buy some great players and his share of duff ones( they all do ) but and this is a big but for a manager that had Gerrard,Alonso,Torres at the height of their powers; he could still not win the Prem; I think that tells you all you need to know. People forget Rafa constantly playing a weakened side in the Prem if we had a Midweek CL game.
Rafa's achilles heel was he was always looking ahead to the next game instead of just concentrating todays game.
I think if it wasn't for the fact of the top 4 getting in the Champions League. Rafa would not have got sidetracked and probably have won the Premier for us.But as it was; even with a capable side he was happy with top 4 and Champions League qualification. So I for one don't want Rafa back.
kidmillions
I always felt that Rafa never wanted to win the PL; he has more desire win the CL. Maybe Abramovich should make him their manager. Singred
27 Mar 2012 08:56:44
For all the Carroll bashers I thought I would repost the excellent post by RedSG the other day.
"Thought i'd post some stats seen on another site
Liverpool (All Comps): P40 Win%=50, Points Per Game = 1.78
Carroll starts: P22 W13 D5 L4, Win%=59, Points Per Game = 2.00
Carroll doesn't start: P18 W7 D6 L5, Win%=39, Points Per Game = 1.50
In terms of ˜difficulty':
Carroll starts vs Teams higher in PL than Liverpool (All Comps v Arsenal, Chelsea, City, United, Newcastle, Spurs)
P8 W5 D1 L2, Win%=63, Points Per Game = 2.00
Carroll starts vs the rest
P14 W8 D4 L2, Win%=57, Points Per Game = 2.00
No Carroll start vs Teams higher
P6 W1 D3 L2, Win%=17, Points Per Game = 1.00
No Carroll start vs the rest
P12 W6 D3 L3, Win%=50, Points Per Game = 1.75
He may not be pretty on the eye, but we seem to do better on the pitch when Andy Carroll starts on it...
RedSG"
Food for thought and does not support the view that Andy is a waste of space!
Iggypop
Ffs mate just open your eyes and judge for yourself stats mean nothing.gareth bale over a 2 or 3 year period played in the losing spurs side for 23games,he was the only spurs player that played in all those losing games.nuf said i think
Does all that mean we get a top four place?
He's a centre forward? do you have the stats on goals scored?
kidmillions
Kidmillions - I posted a critique of this statistical analysis yesterday, but sadly it seems to have gone astray, Ed? - But one of the points i raised was the goals scored, not specifically by Carroll, but in the games in which he, Suarez and Gerrard have started we have scored quite a few goals, that said this is an over simplification of the stats, however a more detailed analysis would require a significant amount of time and effort to produce, but i think the point is take twice as many points from games he plays than games he doesnt, surely that speaks volumes, whether he's scoring or not, he scored at Newcastle i see no reason to believe he has completely lost all that ability, and if anything other areas of his game have improved.
Andy C
We can't wait for a 23yr old Carroll to come good, I see the same scenario with Carroll if he's still at the club next season. Potential for a forward should be reached or at least really apparent at 21yrs Carroll would be 24yr? next season mmm I think he is as good as he's ever going to be right now which is not good enough for us. I just can't for the life me of see him scoring 20 goals a season and it's alright saying he contributes but if he's not scoring his form and confidence will always be up and down: I now find myself hoping he plays well so someone will at least buy him in the Summer and we can move on.
kidmillions
Kidmillions - think i might agree to disagree with you on this one, particularly on the age thing, i'd think the type of forward they are would play a large part in where their peak is, for example someone like owen who had pace to burn was always going to be a greater threat at a younger age and as his pace starts to drop so do the goal tallies, assuming he can get off the physio bench but thats a whole other issue. He scored 9 in half a season at Newcastle, so why not 20 in a full season with good service? I dont ever expect him to reach the heights of RVP or Rooney, but he could be a useful player who adds something different. i much prefer the style of play when he's on the bench, but it hasnt won us many games as of yet, great to watch but sadly we have been wasteful in front of goal. I think i'd like to see him given a couple of seasons tbh, i've seen enough in terms of effort and desire of late and a vast improvement in terms of first touch and even the odd little trick to think getting rid after one season would be a little unfair, if after two or three and the level has plateau'd then yeh time to move him on. Time will tell i guess....
Andy C
Thanks for the responses guys and gals. I especially liked the unsigned one from "Ffs mate" at the top. I would agree that you cannot read too much into stats but the point is clear...we have got more points with AC on the pitch than off it. Remember that he has not been on the pitch that often. Based on some comments we would have off loaded Ian Rush within a year......it took him nearly a year to score a goal. Fowler and owen different types of players so I would not compare them although I'd love another Robbie! Check the stats if you do not believe me!
Iggypop
27 Mar 2012 07:38:48
Where we are is exactly where we deserve to be. Garbage in,garbage out. Additionally, Dalglishs done an appalling job of intergrating his dross, having disrupted the structure and cohesion of last season by simultaneuosly lumping together the new arrivals. TONY BROWN
Players brought in have a hand in this mess, see changes being made for the next 8 games, sterling etc!
Kenny is doing a good job to be fair, he just brought in terrible players. Downing looked a top player last year and just hasn't slotted in well.
He needs to get younger and players he can shape, not the big names just because they are scoring goals.
At least you won a cup this season. :(
Northern Gooner
When you buy players who aren't top four quality, how can you expect a collection of them to fire you to the top 4?
Given the signings we made, players with no winning mentality or exceptional talent and then pile pressure on them with extortionate price tags, KK would have had to be a miracle worker to get us top four. Maybe the focus on the Cups has been to instil a winning mentality in the players, but it hasn't transferred to the league.
I think the job has taken it's toll of KK and all the staff, they are a shadow of the management team who took over last season. They look dishevelled, tired and in search of inspiration.
RedSG
27 Mar 2012 03:25:49
A couple of things I would like to see happen post-season:
I think Kenny should take on an assistant – he is taking on too much and has only Clarke to turn to for advice. A capable AM who familiar with our set-up, provided fresh perspectives and able to sort out the players if need to. Someone like Gary McAllister or Chris Hughton
A replacement for Carragher – God bless him for his years as a defensive stalwart, but he's really losing his sharpness and pace, and I suspect he may call it a day after next season. Many assumed Kelly is Carra's replacement, but it seems everyone prefers him for the RB position replacing GJ. Perhaps that's why Javi Martinez is mentioned, who can play DM and sweeper. Or Danny Wilson
A right winger and striker - enough said. I wait with eager anticipation who DC and KD will come up with this summer.
Our young talent - I look forward to see our youngsters Teixeira and Sterling given a run in the Europa League
Singred
Carragher is LOSING his sharpness and pace - the little that he had he lost a long time ago. He may call it a day after NEXT season - he should have done that at 5pm on Saturday. He is well-known for his loyalty to Liverpool and his honesty - he should prove that by stopping NOW. Give Coates a chance - especially now that we have nothing more to lose in the League this season.
Dutchmal
Chris hughton wouldn't dream of it!
27 Mar 2012 05:35:31
back when we came second in the league under rafa we had one of if not the top first 11 but our squad wasnt strong enough. now i think we have more depth in the squad but not enough quality in our first 11. i dont think we are far off being champions league contenders.
NZL_red
27 Mar 2012 02:31:51
This may sound a little strong, but it's time to forget this league campaign, we've been rebuilding, and it's time to focus on the FA cup. Obviously i'm not saying just 'coast' for the rest of the season, but just not put too much emphasis on our league position at the end of the season. We've secured europa league for next year, we've won a trophy with a good shout at winning 2.
In the EPL, with everything running at 100%, you have to be running at 100% yourself to have any chance of competing, a loss of 2% of that energy and you'll be swallowed alive. We are currently running a few percent short in determination, which obviously shows in our performances lately. As is said, with top 4 out of reach, 1 trophy secured and our winning focus being on another trophy, the slightest loss of concentration on a league position will, as we're seeing, show up like a bad rash.
Personally, my priorities are shifting aswell, i'm not too concerned with finishing 7th at the moment, there's not a real lot we can do about it at this stage. We've all stated that we're rebuilding as a club, and if we can walk away with at least 1 trophy, then i'm happy to see the season out and see how we get along next year.
It's plain to see, by the "judge us on performances, not results" comments that have been made by the club staff, that the focus is to have the squad gel this year.
If we have a real push at top 4 or higher next year, and fall this far short, then by all means, it's time to panic, but i'm waiting 'til then before i panic. People hate it when i say this, but what's one more year? In my opinion we're moving in the right direction as a club, and i'm more than confident that this will pay off in the season new...
Everybody is angry, and i'm hurting myself, but at the end of the day, with a bit of reasoning, common sense prevails and i start to look forward again.
Cheers.
Red7.
Couldnt agree more
mrbrown
Completely agree
Tizer red
27 Mar 2012 02:20:09
When we recruited Adam, Henderson, Carroll, Enrique, Downing and Coates we were all correct in being excited and optimistic about the future.
As one (almost) we invested our hearts in KK's vision for the future.
In fact, most of the negative posts concerned a little Uruguayan streetfighter we were being linked to whose disciplinary-record was a tad dubious.
Concerns about Suarez were somewhat justified but he's our most talented and most saleable asset.
The point I'm trying for is that most of Kenny's signings were justifiable (if you ignore the massive transfer-fees) and were largely welcomed by the supporters;
ADAM------I think we were mostly behind this one provided we didn't give in to Blackpool's huge over-valuation. Was never going to be top-dog for us but was potentially a very useful squad-player who has struggled in his first full season. (4 out of 10).
HENDERSON------A young lad who loves to play football, is a big player in the England U-21 set-up and has a promising future. Has been over-played this season and largely out of position to cover our weakness on the right. Given a more central-role next year he'll start to win the fans over, I'm sure of it. (6 out of 10)
ENRIQUE-------Mostly a success and not too expensive. He will play a big part in the building process. (7 out of 10)
COATES-------We stole this lad from under the noses of some top clubs and he's shown glimpses of why he's so highly regarded. Limited chances but a fantastic signing for the future. (7 out of 10)
SUAREZ--------If he stays, and with the right supporting-cast, he'll be a legend. Already he's proven to be such a hit he's being targeted by opposition players and managers alike. But he's exactly the sort of creative player we were crying out for and is our best hope of attracting other class-acts. (8.5 out of 10)
DOWNING------I don't think he was our first-choice and we ended up over-paying Villa for him. After a largely disappointing start he's started to play well and could be integral in the future. (6.5 out of 10)
CARROLL-------Was in blistering form for Toon before he got injured. Was still injured when we bought him and, at £35m, was under enormous pressure to turn it on as soon as he was fit. But he never really got fit in my opinion and the gamble (so far) has back-fired. This will be the transfer which could haunt Kenny, I'm afraid. (3 out of 10).
If we keep all of the above for the start of 2012/13 then Kenny has to look at putting ADAM on the bench more (he's not a 90-minute player!) but he'll be a great Cup player! Henderson will improve in confidence if he's used properly and the weight of his price-tag will become lighter around his neck!
Enrique has the potential to become our best left-back since Alan Kennedy (who didn't make the best of starts for Liverpool.......Bob Paisley told him "They shot the wrong bloody Kennedy!").
Luis Suarez has been a successful signing (albeit a controversial one) and I would love him to stay and become a massive part of our future. However, I don't see him and Andy Carroll ever working together in the present format!......Carroll needs to get right whatever's wrong with him. For a front-man his positional-sense and body-shape is all wrong. This is where the coaching needs to take responsibility!
I still think he's got the potential to be a great buy and I just know that if we sell him he'll end up being fantastic for someone else!
So, there it is...my view on Kenny's recruits.
I think it's a bit too convenient for the "Kenny Out" mob to dismiss all of his buys as failures. In fact, I'd argue they've been largely a success.
Next season we'll be defending the FA Cup and the Carling Cup, we'll be starting the season joint top with everyone else and we'll have 248 European games to look forward to ! Come on you mighty Reds!
ANFIELDPETE
Good to see that you have brightened up a bit after the QPR defeat there AnfieldPete! I have to say I like your posts - honest, and with a sense of optimism. Nick.
We can't have another season of Carroll?
It's not the Andy Carroll show! Can't ever see the lad being the prolific goalscorer we need.
If you read between the lines you will realise his days with us are numbered. He will not be here next season mark my words.
kidmillions
What are you rating these players on? Performances or potential? Because Coates and Henderson have great potential but youre being hugely generous if those are performance ratings you're giving them
Red Ollie
False optimism and hopes! Wake up. The defeats to QPR and Wigan show we are digressing and heading towards mid table. I am worried when I hear Kenny gives all sort of excuses for the team's performance particularly the one on Fatigue.He WAS a great manager once but not any more with the players he bought. It has become infectious these days to hear from so called fans that we are making progress.We are falling behind Manchester City,Tottenham and now even Newcastle! Certainly we are far behind the top three teams. Sunderland is now looking over our horizon,a team once struggling until Martin O'Neill took over. Please don't fool ourselves by saying that things are going to get better under Kenny because it is not going to happen this season and certainly not the coming seasons. If we can't get the likes of Mourihno, then perhaps we should fall back on Rafa. He didn't win us the title during his six years' reign but at least we got us the respect in Europe. Yes his last year was not impressive but even Shankly, Fergie took more than five years to get things right. Had we been more patient with him for another year instead of bringing in Hodgson we could have progress steadily with more consistent performances. Rafa was unfortunate to have come in during Hicks-Gillette time. Give him another chance to put things right.
27 Mar 2012 01:57:34
People are saying that Adam Morgan isn't having a good season this year. Well, I say you are wrong! He has 17 goals so far this season.
BthekingB
I think that you'll find that at least eleven of those goals have been scored for the Academy side.
Dutchmal
He can have far greater goals! He lad is class when he is in form! Just the finnisher we need later on.
27 Mar 2012 01:51:24
Most Dribbles & Runs Victor Moses (Wigan) 201
Tackle Rate Figueroa Wigan 84 73%
could be some bargins signings at Wigan, when they go down.
27 Mar 2012 01:24:45
25. Reina vs GK David de Gea (we have better keeper
1. Jones vs GK Anders Lindegaard
32. Doni vs GK Ben Amos
2. Johnson vs FBK Rafael
34. Kelly vs FBK Chris Smalling
38. Flanagan vs FBK Fábio (fbks that may make it, may not, defensively weak)
3. Enrique vs FBK Patrice Evra (vice-captain)(evra world class fbk)
6. Aurelio
(on paper our fullback seem capable) Man utd Edge it with Evera and Jones/Rafael/Valencia ability to play fullback)
23. Carragher vs CBK Rio Ferdinand rio played carra hasn't
37. Skrtel vs CBK Nemanja Vidić (captain) *skrel played vidic injured)
5. Agger vs CBk Jonny Evans *50/50
16. Coates vs CBK Phil Jones (Jones has been better than coates)
Man utd Edge it with Summer signing Phil Jones making such an impact on back line. Better than Coates signing.
21. Lucas vs MF Darren Fletcher (both injured)
20. Spearing vs MF Michael Carrick (spearing under performed)
Man utd Edge it, Carrick is a better midfielder and more experience than spearing. Concidering both teams suffered DM injuries.
26. Adam vs MF Paul Scholes (heart of midfield)
Very Similar players, but man utd team plays to scholes tempo. New signing Adams needs to develop a understanding. Both players are defensive liabilies, but scholes mentally edges it. Been their done that and won the trophy.
30. Suso vs MF Tom Cleverley (future heart of midfield)
Suso hasn't played, Tom Cleverly is likely to be a world class player. Man Utd edge it in Youth delevelopment
8. Gerrard vs MF Nani (magical players Nani been better than Gerrard all season. Gerrards been injured)
Nani has been great for man utd, helping them stay in race for premiership. Gerrard has been injured and not playing. Nani offered more bang for wages paid.
33. Shelvey vs MF Anderson (anderson is a better player, shelvey hasn't started enough games)
Shelvey hasn't played enough this season, but has the passing ability to play at this level. Anderson too can pass a ball, but anderson has been injured.
19. Downing vs MF Ashley Young (both performed well, Young been more magical in front of goal by scoring some wonder goals. Downing has created alot of chances this season 50/50)
14. Henderson vs MF Antonio Valencia (Valencia is a better winger than henderson. Henderson doesn't look like a winger to me. Henderson may be a Wingback or member of 3 man centre, but not a traditional pacy winger. Valencia wins, been better when playing, with more crosses into the box.
11. Maxi vs MF Ryan Giggs (giggs experience and class has helped man utd all season, maxi has been very forgettable)
31. Sterling vs MF Park Ji-Sung (sterling hasn't played this season, park is always a willing runner with lots of energry)
7. Suarez vs FW Dimitar Berbatov (Suarez best player for liverpool, Berbatov hasnt played for man utd, but always score goals when he does play. Berbatov off field sit affected starts) Suarez Star Rating
9. Carroll vs FW Wayne Rooney (Carrol is not in the same class as Rooney. No way is he a £35million pound striker. Big disapointment since signing Carroll from Newcastle. Rooney continues to score worldclass goals this season. Where has continued running and commitment to win gone from Carrolls performances) Rooney Wins, (LIVERPOOL Seriously need Carroll to become World Class very soon)
18. Kuyt vs FW Javier Hernández (Kuyt has been unused this season, always a willing runner, 100% guy with nose for goals from set plays. Javier is perfert box striker and knows how to score goals. Man utd have a perfect goal scorer.
39. Bellamy vs FW Michael Owen (bellamy pacy, opinionated hasn't scored enough goals or made enough starts, michael Owen is collection his pension at man utd)
FW Danny Welbeck (great young player who has contributed goals this season and some good creative play)
Man Utd youngsters + summer signings + continued attitude of champions Scholes + Giggs, has kept them in the premiership chase. Champions league football has shown just how weak their squad has become. They are in a similar boat as Liverpool. Man Utd win out on attitude. Expectation of winning, something that Liverpool have long lost.
Managers > Kenny Dalglish vs Alex Ferguson
Alex Ferguson wins the mental battle. alex ferguson gave kenny enough rope to hang himself over luis suerez affair. Ferguson came out victories as lfc season was cut short due to 12 match ban.
Two very strong managers, both very sucessful in their own right. Kenny was knocked off his perch this season, but will have learned from it. We as supporters have total faith in Kenny Dalglish
This summer we can easily see Man Utd spending £30million on a world class midfielder. Liverpool lack quality on the wings and upfront. Requring a better striking options and midfield options.
Agger vs Jonny Evans 50/50!? WOW. Have you a) watched Agger play and b) watched Evans play?
DP
Well there's 10 minutes i'll never get back...
Red7.
I stopped reading when I saw "Agger Vs Johnny Evans 50/50" loooooooool
What is the point of this.
w
Agger vs evans 50/50, you're having a laugh, right?
What are you on about?
You guys have completely lost the plot. Not Liverpool the team, Liverpool the fans. People on here now claiming Andy Carroll should start every game because stats say you win more when he does, claiming you are going to sign Cavani, Martinez, Hazard. That Mourinho might be brought in as manager. That your team is only marginally weaker than Utd's.
I usually have a real respect for Liverpool supporters, because you always support your team, and give it as good as you get when it comes to opposition fans, but you guys are starting to lapse into the delusional stage. Kenny may well be a legend of the club, but he was given the chance of managing your club back to the top 4 and said he could do it this year. He was given 100m and accepted the expectations. How you can stay loyal and blindly support him when you see what he bought with that money, impresses and confuses me, although it doe confuse me alot more to hear you want Rafa back to be honest.
Not having a crack, as some of your supporters actually are talking sense and realise the situation your in. I'm not going to pretend your current league position doesn't bring a smile to my face, it does, as I'm sure Chelsea's does yours.
Just the Chelsea page goes quiet every now and again and some of your rants are beginning to lack the entertainment value they brought me few weeks back. Lift your game or talk sense.
Melbourne CFC
What is the point of this? And how is agger vs evans 50/50?
Square tomato
Agger and Jonny Evans 50/50??
Agger is one of the best centre halfs in the league, we have suffered when he has not played! Evans could not lace agger's boots
Mark
How dare you Melbourne CFC
Lyndon
Worst post ever and melbourne cfc go back to the chelsea site and worry about ur team finishing 5th with no silverwear u clown.
mrbrown
Melbourne CFC -With the money Chelsea have spent how can you regulary visit this site & try & take the p*ss. Just about eveything CFC do ends in disaster...
Howdy Lyndon, visit my nephew recently? Let him know Torres is due a couple today. Im sure the nurses will let him stay up to watch it.
Mrbrown theres not much doing on the Chelsea page, I think everyone is preparing for our European game tonight, aghh the stresses of Europe. That and your charm just keep drawing me back to the circus that is this banter page.
Melbourne CFC
Not sure he'll score today.
Unless.... Are they Playing a championship side!! If so he's on a hot streak against them Melbourne!!
Lyndon
Lyndon you silly duck we are playing Benfica, in the Champions League. I can't say I'm too confident of him scoring either, but you guys have given me reason to be positive with strikers.
Melbourne CFC
Can't say the word "Confidence" is wide spread on here at the mo!!
Lyndon
Can't imagine the word 'striker' is used all the much either. I know 'Champions League' is an ancient term.
Melbourne CFC
Melb CFC who really gives a flying F$% what you think!
Have you got some type of inferiority complex that you get a kick out of coming to another teams banter page and letting go the insulting remarks and put downs?
HOw old are you ?
My 5 year old nephew could do better pal.
Stop making a complete fool out of yourself and stick to your own pathetic team and their own page.
Let us true LFC supporters banter each other with our own problems!
Well you certainly made a well constructed arguement there pal. I merely enjoy the fact that some of your fans can get involved in some friendly banter. Nothing i say is meant as abuse mate, and you should probably take your tampon out and learn to take it with a pinch of salt. I am 23 though just for the record which would put my birth around the time you last won the league.
I would love for your nephew to come on the page as maybe he is a little more adapt at taking the p*ss and not taking the sport too seriously. You are free to ignore my posts, as Im sure a whole lot of the LFC guys do. But thanks for taking the bait this time, it does make my job a little easier.
With love
Melbourne CFC
The clues in The Name
"Banter Pages"
Imagine if everyone came on and agreed with everyone it would be like a Ghost town and a tad Boring
Lyndon
Bit like The Chelsea page!!!
Oh Lyndon... zing!
Atleast there is some fight left in some of the boys. I realise you guys are having a tough time atm mate, but really, are you the only one who gets a lift from abit of banter? Really I should be praised for lifting spirits!
The Chelsea page is far from boring mate. Sometimes we get together for scrabble, it really does 'go off'.
Also what do you think the chances are if Chelsea lose tonight a few people might wanna come and talk to me? Me thinks ill be pretty popular with you lot then.
Melbourne CFC
If you lose tonight.
You'll be the Most posted man tonight!!
I guess just after 21.30
I would say good luck but there'd be a Risk of me being Struck by Lightning Matey!!
Lyndon
27 Mar 2012 00:47:55
@OptaLiverpool49 - No player in europes
Top 5 leagues has created more goal scoring chances that stewart downing without a single assist. Unlucky
Just shows build up play is not the problem, we could continue to argue that a striker is the issue, but i feel the biggest "problem" is communication, once these lads build an understanding of each other we'll be ok. Add a sprinkling of flair on the right and we'll be fine
He got the assist for kuyts goal vs qpr. rebounded it perfectly off the keeper for a tap in
NZL_red
Unlucky or your strikers suck
Dowing had a dreadful season bar 2-3 games, hopefully he can leave it behind him for next season
27 Mar 2012 00:23:48
Ed Joe Cole rumoured to have interest from PSG. Do you think he could move there and is he really on around £130k a week? {Ed002's Note - I thin it unlikely.}
Is joe cole able to speak french now or do the french still spit in his food?
27 Mar 2012 00:05:48
Hey Ed . Sorry to ask you such a stupid question but i am curious . How valuable is Manager's reputation for the team , in terms of Ref's(including linesman and Fourth official decision) or F.A's decision ? Again Excuse me for such a question ,but i really want to know .
AJI {Ed001's Note - you would have to ask a referee for the answer to that.}
So that is an unanswered question. I respect your work and keeping the site running , but in your opinion (being any club's fun ) what is your judgement . As you can see from my IP Address i am very far from it .
AJI {Ed001's Note - in my opinion? My answer to that would be that the refs we have are utterly useless, whether they are affected by managers makes little difference. They will continually get things wrong because they are imbeciles who have no idea what they are looking at. They can't even get simple cut and dry decisions correct, ones that anyone looking at the match can see easily. As for the FA, they are corrupt, they have been corrupt for a long long time, nothing has changed in that regard. They have allowed blatant flaunting of their own laws, unless it suits them to do something about it.}
Thats a very strong opinion. Why ex footballers become referees. referees can't judge fouls properly because 'they've never played the game. You trend to find better refs coming from teaching/policing backgrounds. case of people dealing with people. {Ed001's Note - it would be better if they could just get their calls right, then it wouldn't matter if they were people friendly or not.}