Liverpool Banter Archive May 27 2012

 

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27 May 2012 22:48:28
The Telegraph reports that Liverpool are soon to speak to Brendan Rodgers. Shows Macca was right all along, he refused our approach first time, but the club are still extremely interested in him.

The article also reports that Ian Ayre has already met Van Gaal regarding the position of sporting director, or whatever you call it nowadays.

The future looks good fellow reds. Let's keep the faith in FSG, and let's hope this summer we will see more new players and new stadium plans.


I would rather Martinez than Rodgers but would absolutely love klopp


 

 

27 May 2012 22:45:17
Good authority martinez has agreed terms ,he is currently in the process of meeting the new DOF tomorrow news will break through tuesday morning, club also to announce extension of anfield with sponsor for ground name sharing with coca cola. New DOF van gaal. From the captains mouth friends with my socialite sister!


 

 

27 May 2012 22:40:48
Ok so what's the point in having a rumour site if as soon as somebody puts a rumour they've heard it's instantly greeted with cries of "Liar"??

According to most of the people on here not only do you need photographic evidence for every rumour you also need signed proof from John Henry before your even considered to be telling the truth!

It a RUMOUR site!! So let people post their rumours without getting crucified.


 

 

27 May 2012 22:38:23
Hello to all you Liverpool fans, I work in the Communications Dept. at Wigan and thought I'd share a little news that's being whispered around the club.
Roberto Martinez will announce at a press conference on Tuesday at the DW Stadium of his future plans. At this moment in time, the press conference is arranged for 4pm but this is scheduled to change. Roberto is due home from his holiday on Monday and will meet Whelan on Tuesday morning. He will do all he can to convince Roberto to stay but we all believe he is off, but Dave is a very convincing man and I would still not be too surprised to see him stay here but very much doubt it. This is a strange press conference scenario but it's similar to the press conference Torres held at Atletico the same day he signed for Liverpool. The feeling amongst Wigan personnel is that he will leave to join Liverpool. Martinez has apparently been told he will have the final say over transfers and is willing to work under a Sporting Director, a position Liverpool are keen to fill. The Liverpool owners are very keen on Martinez and have not seriously considered any other candidates thus far in the hope Martinez will join, and it's our understanding at Wigan as that he will. Steve Bruce has already been approached by Dave Whelan to succeed Martinez. Steve Clarke has been persuaded to stay on at Liverpool and will remain in his position at Liverpool. Martinez wants to take some of his staff with him from Wigan but apparently, Henry won't pay anymore compensation out after having to spend £2.6m to buy Martinez out of his contract without releasing current Liverpool coaches and paying them a severance package. I would be surprised to see any of our back room staff to join him other than Graeme Jones who has been Roberto's assistant since his Swansea days.
I know some of you Liverpool fans are a but unsure of Roberto and quite rightly so, he is unproven at the level Liverpool are at but I can assure you you'll be getting an absolute gem of a manager. His footballing knowledge is incredible and his philosophy is magical. He has worked wonders at Wigan. Yes we have been fighting relegation for the past few years but we do not have the finances compared to Liverpool and cannot attract big name players. Roberto's style of play would suit Liverpool's players down to the ground. Apart from Andy Carroll, I think most other players would prefer to play the ball into feet, pass the ball and retain possession? You know more about Liverpool than me. Good luck in the next season to you Reds, I think Liverpool is a great club and I hope if it's not Martinez, you get the right man and get back to where you belong. Thanks Reds,

Tom-Comm


Cheer's Tom-Comm for all that.If It's Martinez or whoever then i will back them 100%.That's what ALL Liverpool fan's should be doing no matter who we get as manger.So come on THE MIGHTY RED'S&let's get behind our new boss no matter who he is....YNWA!!


 

 

27 May 2012 22:37:25
Rodgers is the new head coach, with Van Gaal coming in as the sporting director. Segura has been promoted to technical director...

If Rodgers doesnt get it we will turn our attention to Klopp... i dont think Martinez will get it personally.

No one has put in any transfer requests as of yet. But that could change very quickly depending on certain factors.


 

 

27 May 2012 22:22:49
Why are all us fans suggesting players coming to our club when we no manager to buy them? no point in being interested in them if we wont be buying them !


Or is there??


 

 

27 May 2012 22:10:03
Rumors in Spain that Michael Laudrop been interviewed and impressed jwh in Boston yesterday.


Fingers Crossed. Laudrup under Tixi or Van Gaal would be brilliant.

AK


 

 

27 May 2012 21:55:47
Moose from Talksport and others on Twitter saying new manager to be Klopp,, announcement tomorrow? Would be happy with that if true.


Who is this moose an how would he know? Klopp has ruled himself out of the running.


Over the moon
derryred


Moose is a reporter on Talksport.


 

 

27 May 2012 22:01:03
Hello Macca....

Your always good for information and am always waiting to see your opinion on latest news at the club... so i had one question for you....

Through all your notes... you havent mentioned AVB yet? Do you feel the club have even looked at him as a manager?

He would see to tick the theoretical boxes that the club would be looking at and what he done before Chelsea shows he does have ability.

Cheers

DJet


There is no interest in AVB


 

 

27 May 2012 21:58:15
Hi all, My source from the Dutch media has informed me of the following....
###LIVERPOOL Restructure###
Vice Chairman- David Dean
Sporting Director- Luis Van Gaal
Manager- Klopp Assistant-Didi Hamman
Football Consultant- Laudraup.
Van Gaal wants to bring a Coach, Doctor and Scout with him they were part of his staff at Munich and Ajax.-focus on total football and young players..
Martinez presser will announce he will stay and apologise.
Expect news next week on all pressing matters. I hope they pull it off. YNWA.


Would love this to be true just seems abit unbelievable to me?
Skurks


Looks good mate but if Martinez dosn't get the job. He could and probably will go to Villa.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Huge wages for the stuff and no money left for better players


If these rumors keep up, we're going to have the largest and most experienced management team ever. Unfortunately we have no players as they've all requested transfers.

I really can't wait until all of this silliness is over....

RDL


Skurks mate,
The new coach will be Ironman, the doctor will be The Time Lord, and the scout is Xavier. Co's they're about as likely as that proposed line-up. Lol.
The Real KB


Did your source from the Dutch media sell you some magic beans too ...
Red Derry


Lol I know KB it's getting a bit ridiculous now it's like a dream managerial team game. Can't wait for Tuesday so things can be more clear.
Skurks


If Liverpool could get Klopp that alone would be very positive. He's done very well at Dortmund and has an eye for young talented players how could move up a level.

David Dein might have some gas in the tank, he'll ensure representation within the F.A, not sure what that means, or how it will help us.

Michael Laudrup, i'd have preferred it if he would have shown this much interest in Liverpool back when he was a great player myself. He obviously knows the game, not sure about his managerial capacity though and i would worry about his ambition for the manager's job, especially if he has the ear of the Owner.

Louis Van Gaal, he's won nearly every where he's gone, but most of the relationships at the clubs he has managed has ended up turning quite sour, much like the Benitez era ended at Liverpool.

Can't argue with his C.V and track record as a manager. This technical role (DoF) however does give cause for concern with any potential manager.

Personally i don't think Klopp will move, if he does then great news, but i can't see it.

Van Gaal would take the managers job, or DoF job if offered to him. Not sure how it would work out, but if he signed a few class acts and didn't rip the dressing room apart we should count ourselves lucky. The style of football he has implemented elsewhere has been very good.


I hope it's the Christopher Eccleston Time Lord. I know he only lasted one season, but he really set the ball rolling for seven years of success.

Cork Red Boi


Is the new coach really going to be Ironman or are you just joking? Only I think he could do a solid job. I think that the Time Lord is a bit unlikely though as we are trying to move forward not back

cozinoz


Cozinoz- think that's the first time I've ever actually LOLed at a post. Good stuff (although I have to admit not knowing who Time Lord is).

RDL


*cough, splutter* in amamzement.
The Time Lord is Doctor Who. Where you've been for the past 50 odd years ?
And it would have to be Tom Baker for me, cos his haircut was a bit like Phil Boersma's.
The Real KB


 

 

27 May 2012 21:48:34
The entire first team squad has handed in a written transfer request which has been rejected because it was written in Chinese.


Post of the day


I wrote a resignation letter on the back of a brown paper chinese prawn cracker bag fro Dundee Students Union. Heard a few months later that it actually was placed on record after I left.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

27 May 2012 21:45:00
The reason kenny is manager at soccer aid tonight is because is scouting for us!!
Expect bids to go in for johnny wilks, aston merrygold and serge pizzorno.
With bradley walsh comimg in as D.O.F
You heard here first!


We could of done with pizzorno with finishing like that lol
Skurks


I did notice his team hit the bloody post again must be taking his liverpool luck with him good to see him their thought he might have pulled out it was funny to see dermot o dreary and robbie savage mention that he was no longer with liverpool i think they said he left shame he wont be in our dug out next year


 

 

27 May 2012 21:26:08
Hi eds

I hear were after Sergio pizzorno, can you shed any light on this.

Sam adzii jft96 {Ed001's Note - who?}


I take it you didnt watch soccer aid Ed001... Beaut of a goal mate!

Sam adzii jft96 {Ed001's Note - nope, why would I watch that rubbish? Bunch of no marks kicking a ball about? If I wanted to watch that I would watch the SPL!!! ;o)}


The boy who scored on soccor aid
derryred


I've been told he signing as player/manager...FSG love the way he transformed Leicester U13's and by that quality finis he can play a little.

GuvTOB


Lol ed?


Cos it was for charity and a bloody good one you miserable git
G.baker


 

 

27 May 2012 21:25:28
Jurgen Klopp still in contention for the liverpool job, martinez hasnt been offered the job.


 

 

27 May 2012 21:21:32
Is Martinez good enough?

Post why


Thats a wee bit of a silly question.

I'm no clairvoyant.

Kenny Dalglish (shoving past a reporter)


Great motivator, tactically sound, plays the right kind of football even with a terrible team like Wigan he will not change his philosophy, he knows how to find bargains in transfer market with f*ck all money, and finally he has kept Wigan up 2 seasons now when the team is barely hood enough for championship, he basically promoted swansea too as he built the groundwork for them.


 

 

27 May 2012 21:21:25
Hey eds, is it just me or do you think Martinez is planning to turn Liverpool down? I mean, why would he and Wigan plan a news conference to tell the world he's leaving to go to Liverpool? Wouldn't Wigan just release a statement and then Liverpool would have the press conference to unveil him as the new manager? Your thoughts would be much appreciated cheers {Ed001's Note - impossible to say, the whole process has been such a shambolic one, anything could be happening!}


 

 

27 May 2012 21:21:12
So who thinks Martinez will be LFC manager by Tuesday?

Agree - yes
Disagree - no


Not sure anymore, with all of the differing bits of news I don't think anyone really knows anymore.


 

 

27 May 2012 21:21:09
Other fans are coming on here stirring s it,that all our best players want a move


 

 

27 May 2012 21:21:07
I would be over the moon with Klopp & either Van Gaal / Txiki & it Would show some real intent by FSG. But if I'm honest, it's probably going to be Rodgers / Martinez and a few other guys I've never heard of. Not that it's a bad thing, just not the best in my opinion.
Ultra red


 

 

27 May 2012 21:20:07
This weekend's round-up right across Europe's media shows that they are now down to three runners- Martinez, Rodgers and the outsider Laudrup as manager, with van Gaa; as Director of Football. Many of the continent's papers are suggesting June 1st as being a significant date. RED LENIN


That's exactly what it is - media speculation. LFC have still not said anything to the press.


 

 

27 May 2012 21:17:59
Not overly happy with names remaining.But have to say theres something steely and determined about Rodgers that reminds me dare i say it of a certain sluring knight of realm.Couldnt see players underperforming for him.Dunno what it is but think he may work with van Gaal-uncomprimising


 

 

27 May 2012 21:10:43
serge pizzorno gona sign for lfc just what we need clinical finisher and great crosser certainally better than downing


Anyone else waiting for John terry to run on to lift the socceraid trophy ?


 

 

27 May 2012 21:07:49
Not so much of a rumour as a statement, love this site and have never had anything printed.

Chavski seem to be dragging their heels offering Di Matteo and Eddie Newton the jobs they deserve so why don't we nip in before them ? can't say they haven't proven themselves so far Di Matteo didn't do bad at MK Dons or WBA and he's turned the Chavs around so surely worth a punt.

Also let's stop worrying about who might leave until someone actually does. The guys who have been mentioned as "requesting a transfer" don't seem the type to do that when we have no manager.


Hmmm I think your first post has dive-bombed

cozinoz


 

 

27 May 2012 21:03:26
Can't understand why people are getting so carried away about Reina leaving? There hasn't been a shred of evidence posted?
If, and it's a MASSIVE if, Pep wants to leave, so be it... Liverpool will be compensated handsomely?... He is ons of our few bankable players?

Also, if (another if) Martinez comes and Reina goes, I would support Al-Habsi coming in if he were available.

Eddie


NO Al-Habsi is carp? sick of every one mentioning average Wigan players coming to us because Martinez has had talks with the owners.


 

 

27 May 2012 21:00:52
Would it be such a bad thing if martinez is are new manager? I for one wouldnt mind him as are manager got crap players playing good football second half of last season lets see what he can do with really good/great players.

ACHILLES. {Ed001's Note - he never had crap players! Wigan were a mid table side when he took over, now they are relegation scrappers. I wish people would stop insulting Wigan when they clearly have no idea other than the complete lies fed them by the media!}


FENWAYs master plan is coming together well. All they have to do next, is get lfc near relegation place. Next season lfc will be in the bottom three.


We've gone from a 4th spot, to 6ths, to 9th. with marti we could aim for 14th but i would like to see him do it within one season. so lets hope for 20th


Thanks ED1, people seem to forget that.

Jewell had them 10th and Bruce had them 11th. Maybe we should get one of them instead, yeah?

- Something Red -


Im from wigan ive watched wigan play this season at the DW n they do have crap players ed001.

ACHILLES.


Because they no longer play like Stoke ed! {Ed001's Note - they never did play like Stoke. And Achilles, you are wrong, quite simply wrong. That is why all their players have been linked with moves to bigger clubs for years, because they are decent players. I don't care where you live, you clearly have no idea about their players.}


Ok Ed they played attractive flowing football under Steve Bruce!

I know you've got issues with the owners at the moment but Come on!!


Never new alcaraz n caldwell are being linked to bigger clubs crusat on arsenal radar aswell ED001?

ACHILLES.


No ACHILLES, but ill list the ones who have.
Figueroa
Al-Habsi
McCarthy
McArthur
Rodallega
Diame
Thats only to name a few..

Sam Adzii jft96


Hence why i mentioned crap players ive named a few right there.

ACHILLES. {Ed001's Note - you tried to make out it was a team full of crap, Chelsea won the league with Kalou and he is dog muck. Wigan have a decent set of players, stop being so arrogant. I do not have issues with the owners, by the way, I have never said that, I have issues with how they are handling things right now, yes, but not with the owners themselves.}


 

 

27 May 2012 20:59:52
Why are some fans so gloomy if Martinez gets the job. I've got a feeling that if he does accept the position, he could be the kick up the proverbial Liverpool need especially if he plays 4 3 3 as he did in the latter part of last season. Lets get behind him if he does accept the position and stop moaning. {Ed001's Note - he didn't play 4-3-3 at the end of the season, he played a back 3, not 4.}


 

 

27 May 2012 20:56:26
Whats Kenny at playing Crespo at centre half? No wonder he got sacked


Is that his twin playing up front then?


Its for charity thats why


 

 

27 May 2012 20:52:44
Hi,is it possible Martinez will be announced by Liverpool tomorrow and the press conference on Tuesday at Wigan is to say goodbye and thank you to Wigan who have been good for Martinez as Martinez has been good for them.


It would be extremely bad mannered to do that. Liverpool cannot employ him until Wigan release him.


 

 

27 May 2012 20:52:07
Interesting to see who Chelsea, Barcelona targets are for there vaccent management post..

Then compare to Liverpools and Villa's {Ed002's Note - Barcelona do not have a vacancy.}


Barcelonas manager was an assistant and Not bet well known... So what's your point ?

G BOX


Tito Valentino
AnfieldUSA


Valentino i thought his name was vilanova
giblet


It is. My spell check changed it.
AnfieldUSA


 

 

27 may 2012 20:42:18
hi ed, just i thought according to sky martinez will give a statement on tuesday regarding his future. i find it a strange that if you have accepted a job (lets just say he has) would you not just have a press conference at the club your joining and then thank your previous employers, is this normal or do you possible think he might stay with wigan, due to all paper talking regarding villa. would just like peoples view. thanks great site.


 

 

27 May 2012 20:43:47
I remember when Rafa's last year and all those on here wanted him out ( yes even those Rafa brigade started wanting him out too), then guess what!, we got Hodgson ( solely on a Uefa cup run.

Then you shouted for Dalglish because Hodgson wasn't up to it.

Dalglish gets the job and then you wanted him out only to be replaced by ? ( maybe Martinez, AVB, Rodgers etc).

Let's see how long it is before you want the new manager out too.

Some dissillusioned fans only call for sacking in the anticipation that Guardiola or Mourinho really want the Liverpool job. Has recent history not shown us that these top managers DON'T want the job?.
I Highly even doubt we can afford the £10/14 million a year contracts.
Don't get me wrong.. I think the Liverpool job is the best in the business but we don't have the appeal of champions league, world stars, man city or chelsea's purse and and uncapped wage structure.
Surely you must by now realise that we need to stick by our manager whoever it is.

SL76


rafa go home


Never wanted Rafa out, but I was in the minority on that.

Never wanted Hodgson in, and I thought his tactics were poor and he'd never make it work because of that. So I did want him out, I'll give you that.

Didn't want Kenny out.

But your point is well taken. If that's what we collectively gave Kenny, an LFC legend really only surpassed by Shankly and possibly Sir Bob in the fans affections, for not bringing overnight success, Martinez or Rodgers will need to hit the ground running in a big way.

My attitude will be to stick with them for at least a couple of years unless they're absolutely awful, and whilst I'd rather have stuck with Kenny, or go get Rafa back instead, I don't think either of them will be absolutely awful. So we should get behind them and stay behind them.

I hope the majority of the fans see it that way.

- Something Red -


I think a lot of the discontent has to do with the awful football we played under Rafa and Hodgson, and the awful results under Kenny.

Who can get used to the defensive formations we are by now used to seeing when we play the likes of Fulham and WBA? One up top?

Let's face it much of our football for the last three or four years has been awful. Promoted teams play better football than we do.


 

 

27 May 2012 20:39:56
Liverpool to put in a bid towards Kasabian winger Sergio Pizzorno after his wonder goal in SoccerAid ;) haha what do you think ed's would give us some much beeded creativity and end product? :P
Willster :)


MOTD Fever.

Alex


Mike Myers to return to his parent's birthplace (Liverpool) as new Director of Soccer at LFC ;)


 

 

27 May 2012 20:36:58
Hi if FSG dont want Rafa as manager (and I dont)what abouit him as DOF and Martinez or Rodgers as manager? if its already mentioned then apoligies


Rafa would be the worst DOF ever.
Good coach but he should never be in charge of someone's transfer budget.

MIKEY


 

 

27 May 2012 20:35:15
Any truth that we have bid 50m for serge pizzorno?


No harm couldnt do much worse than downing anyway


No.... we've bid £60m


 

 

27 May 2012 20:27:47
All talk about player transfer, but where's our manager Ed's?
Is there somebody who actually really close to the deal?
Martinez? AVB? Guardiola?


 

 

27 May 2012 20:30:59
Anyone know why Old Trafford's louder than usual?

Lol...

TIZER RED


The first trophy seen there this season !


 

 

27 May 2012 20:24:52
blair it wont b martinez as i said earlier it wil defenitley be brendan rodgers n dats a guarantee

THE HAWK


Ok HAWK mate, I'll take your word for it. I don't want Rodgers either but he will have my 100% support.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


 

 

27 May 2012 20:21:50
Well I don't envy whoever gets the reins as manager. It appears many fans on here will disagree a moan about whoever they appoint.
Then of course, they will negitively post at every game.

Arnt supporters meant to support?..

Maybe those wanting Benitez back and those angry at the Dalglish sacking should come together and support whoever is lucky enough to get the great job.

Personally I will support the next man whoever it is.

Physic red


 

 

27 May 2012 20:16:11
No one has handed in a transfer request

Also ED's surely all this talk of Boudebouz to Liverpool is bulls**t

matt wollacott.


 

 

27 May 2012 20:10:59
I think we should really push for the likes of olly murs aston merrygold and maybe an outside chance of Sergio pizzorno.

Square tomato


I like the look of that Merrygold.. would he be cheaper than Downing? or would we have to pay JLS a load in compo?

Phooey


We got no chance after that goal. I expect Real or Barca to snap him up very quickly.


True that ! There's two pop singers showing us natural width!

G BOX


We need to get pizzorno coaching downing. Or maybe a straight swap with kasabian, I know the eds say swaps are rare but I hear downing is taking guitar lessons.
Maybe it's another smokescreen who knows ;)

MIKEY


Would be a big fee for him but he was quoted as saying "I'm very happy where I am but an offer from Liverpool would be impossible to turn down"

Square tomato


 

 

27 May 2012 20:07:20
Ed002. Sorry,i agree with Mikey! RDM galvanised the club,much like Kenny did when he came back,but lets not pretend that all Chelsea have done have been leading up to this,or that it was Romans plan all along. Credit where its due,certainly! They were huge underdogs and came out fighting! Bearing in mind the teams they had to play,they certainly deserve their name on the cup,but lets not pretend that they've done it the right way! I think they have unrealistic aims,and no manager can live up to those expectations! RDM has done brilliantly,but its a honeymoon period. He will need a huge budget this summer(iif he stays?) To rebuild that squad! As i say,credit where its due,but lets not pretend Chelsea are an example of how to run a football club! Not trying to cause an argument or anything. Just riles me,the players deserve the credit for pulling themselves out of the mess AVB left them in! Anyway,if RDM doesn't get the job,its a travesty,and they'll be looking for yet another manager in 12 months time. Anyway,rant over!.. WelshBoyDave


Thanks welshboy.
I know roman loves Chelsea but he is still a terrible owner IMO.
A good owner builds the club like a real business man.
Roman just throws money at it.
Chelsea have enjoyed success recently but how much did the European cup cost? 1bn?
Much more than our 5 put together ;)

MIKEY


 

 

27 May 2012 20:00:04
Question for ed001: Who do you think will be our new manager/Coach? Thanks, TomRedI {Ed001's Note - to be honest, I really have no idea, I am disillusioned with it at the moment. I find it uncomfortable to watch the club fumbling around like rank amateurs like this, it is painful, so I am trying to avoid any kind of involvement.}


Thought I was the only one who thinks this situation was a joke ed001.
They should never have got rid of kenny without a proper replacement lined up.

MIKEY


Ed001,
I remember your funny, but slightly un-nerving psycho-analysis on that abusive poster a few months ago.
If you were to analyse your own mind state now, how would you sum it up ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - disillusioned. This whole thing has been so badly handled from start to finish. The jetting over and removing huge swathes of the important staff from the club, yet having no idea who to replace them with, was a shambles. Even the people brought in are not ones to fill me with confidence. And still we have no management structure in place for the football side, months after DC's summary dismissal. It is so amateurish and, frankly, embarrassing. If they just want someone to play good football, then promote Borrell. But clearly they just want a media friendly face in charge, which is why Martinez is being wooed.}


Ed001 seriously dude, you need to chill out a bit my friend, it sounds like your bordering on suicide today mate. As oddball said, stop with all the negative waves!

Ian the red {Ed001's Note - nowhere near suicide mate, I am enjoying spending less time bothering with footie and more time in the sun!}


Haha, Kelly's Heroes. Righteous and beautiful man.
The Real KB


They don't know about football so unfortunately i don't think Borrell would even be considered. If John Henry does conduct these interviews what would they be like...he doesn't know the sport?

GuvTOB


 

 

27 May 2012 19:59:48
If Martinez is calling a press conference on Tuesday. I think he's got the job. You don't call a press-conference at a club like Wigan to say that you're staying, do you?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. No disrespect to Wigan.


If martinez was going to lfc
would'nt lfc be having the press
conference at anfield......this seems a strange one, but then again this whole saga has been
strange...........


Agreed, Blair. I don't know for sure obviously, but I think the same. Why call a press conference to say the status quo remains? That would just seem off to me, but then again the whole situation has been a tad bizarre if I'm being honest.

RDL


None taken.

Davey Whelan


If the press conference is at the JW, then I would assume he is staying put

alan50


Blair mate actually someone speaking sense and someone who as not had too much sun.

I couldn't agree more
Mighty reds


Surely it would be disrespectful to liverpool fans to announce you are taking the liverpool job at your own clubs press conference, does not make sense, he will get ample time to say sorry to his own fans after a press conference arranged by liverpool, if he was offered the job.

More likely saying he is turning the offer down!!

Evered


So he is calling a press conference at Wigan to say he is leaving


I'm thinking the same.
If he was staying I think he would just leak it to the press or let wheelan leak it.
Just say I was interested but I wanted total control etc.
I imagine he would want to avoid the awkward questions if he was staying and had a press conference.
He's got to be saying goodbye.
At least we will know soon. It's felt like ages since the king lost his throne.

MIKEY


Hi Blair mate,
I would like to think that fsg would want to tell us therselves if they had hired him. rather than us to hear it from martinez himself.

Phooey


Well, they certainly couldn't say he was going to have a press conference at Anfield and leave it ambiguous could they? Again, not saying it's going to happen, but a) they can't call one at Anfield as that would be pretty obvious and b) why have a press conference to say you're keeping the job you have?

I'll repeat that I could well be wrong though as trying to read the twists and turns in this one is enough to make anyone dizzy...

RDL


He would not have a press conference at Wigan 1st to say he is leaving, that would make a Liverpool one redundant, if he signs then it would be at anfield, so as such if there is one at the DW, he is staying at Wigan


Roberto is calling a press conference at Wigan because he isn't taking the job, as said he wants total control but Liverpool won't let that happen. Louis van Gaal to be appointed Sporting Director this week, manager shortly afterwards, most likely Rodgers


Maybe he is resigning ?


In this case, I think Martinez is calling a press conference to say he's staying at Wigan.

If he was coming here, then surely it'd be a case of Liverpool having a press conference on the subject of their new manager instead of Martinez having one on his future, right?

As for why? Well I'd certainly hold a press conference to say I'm staying at my current club if my chairman was pathologically unable to shut up about me leaving. Which reminds me, Dave Whelan is not behaving very professionally. Actually, I hope this whole thing somehow blows up in his face, with Martinez not going to us, but feeling unsettled and leaving Wigan anyway.

- Something Red -


My head is spinning too RDL mate. Just trying to make sence of it all and Dave Whelan hasn't done us any favours, in this saga.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Wigan feel the need for a pc as DW has handled the whole episode very badly. He had RM annointed LFC Mgr right from the off. He now feels the needs to allow him the opportunity to return home claiming a moral victory, not accepting our 'offer' to work with a dominant DOF.


Have to say, Blair, if it turns out that the press conference is to declare his intention of keeping a job he already has, then I'll be laughing my fool head off. Who does that? I can see the statement already- 'I, Roberto Martinez, am the Wigan manager' followed quickly by the sound of vacuum as the press vacate the premises...

Either way looks like the upcoming week is destined to be entertaining!

RDL


That makes sence too, unnamed poster. After watching Whelans antics during this, you could be spot on.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


It might be spot on , it might not be Blair, all guess work at this stage. Although, it would be interesting to hear what Wigan fans make of the whole saga. I feel they are a bit forgotten in this and the pc might actually be for their benefit - confirmation that their mgr is staying after a very public flirtation with LFC job ?
Red Derry


 

 

27 May 2012 19:54:45
Kenny Dalglish! What a legend. Manager of Rest of the World (Soccer Aid). Others might have pulled out after what happened last week.

Long live the King!

Zabwala


Lol the guy was boring his team to pieces no wonder you lot struggled, also who tucks their ties in their trousers? care in the community for that drunk


 

 

27 May 2012 19:54:27
Well the new kits out soon and iv the owners dont hurry up and geta new manger well i cont see many new kits gettn sold am defo not buyn my kids new kits and get names on the back then they get sold plus i can see some liverpool fans not likeing the owners once they a point the wrong manger and ill put my money on it that the owners ask gerrard and carra to come out and have press confrence to back the manger they apoint becouse carra or gerrard dont wont rafa back there just as worse as the owners to try blag us fans to ger behind a manger the fans dont wont and all that to sell shirts . i can see there being a YONKS OUT AGAIN THIS YEAR . YNWA 96


Loads of kits have already sold. It's called pre-order


 

 

27 May 2012 19:50:58
Drinking do impact memory but if I am right martinez was priviously manager of swansea and some say it was him that got swansea installed with playing philosphy that is so famous now.
So as a personal choice I will love martinez over rodgers.
Also looking at how much we have paid for sacking last 3 managers it makes sense to get a expiranced DOF and combine with a young manager and then spent some money on players.I am hoping this theory actually is true.

Red indian


 

 

27 May 2012 19:47:11
Suddenly I am hearing a deal for Breden Rodgers is being done in d US.my source (a bbc reporter)says her info is from a solid source.#LFC


Mozay


Suddenly you need a night's sleep.

Mighty reds


I Hope so he is a class act

Evered


 

 

27 May 2012 19:43:25
Van Gaal director of football

Van Gaal's style also makes him an attractive option for Liverpool and supporters, his style mirrors that of the famous Total Football archetype of the Ajax and Dutch national teams of the 1970s.

Roberto Martinez appears poised to take over as puppet (manager)

Would they be a good combination together?

Why sack kenny, if they wanted a figure head, the biggest in liverpools history would be kenny. Why sack him too

Martinez wants full control of the team and transfers. He likes to play with Wigan a very attractive 3-4-3,

Martinez lacks any European experience, its a jump too far in his career. Where are his midtable teams, he turned down the opportunity to manage aston villa last season.

If kenny could bring instant sucess, martinez is little to send liverpool into relegation next season.
Martinez success has been build on season after season. Yet his successes have been meadica at best. Steve bruce has a better record than him.

Why wouldn't Van Gaal want to be manager too.
You can't really begrudge van Gaal for making public his desire to be Liverpool manager too, the Dutchman is a world-class manager.

Why hire the two?

The situation sounds an awful lot like the hiring of Roy Hodgson two years ago. Kenny Dalglish was a part of the managerial hiring committee, but he made known that he had his eyes on the job himself.

From that moment on, you could argue that Hodgson was a dead man walking.


After all, the biggest criticism in the eyes of Liverpool supporters about Martinez is he's never managed a big club.


 

 

27 May 2012 19:42:01
Evening Eds and fellow reds .with the new manager do you think the owners will remove him from his position next season if we don't qualify for champs league ,or will they not want to lose face and stick with him .and would you expect him to have a large budget this summer ,say £50 million.cheers psv {Ed002's Note - Dalglish was not moved aside just because of on field performances. As for budget, I am sure the owners will be supportive, within reason.}


 

 

27 May 2012 19:39:46
Just want to congratulate Crewe Alexandra for their promotion win. They are a terrific club and always had a good relationship with lfc.

Cheers,

Neilp


Hope, we can make it even stronger by luring Nick Powell to Anfield. This lad looks class. YNWA Trustme


 

 

27 May 2012 19:33:37
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Jamie carragher as at the very least first team coach or assistant manager,if we are going to appoint Martinez we might as well give carragher the job outright because there is not much difference in age,and at least he knows the club inside out and has bags of passion.just a thought.


Knows the club? Bags of passion? How often's the same garbage been churned out. What does it have to do with anything? Yes, in the future, Carragher may well turn out to be an excellent manager.His knowledge of the game and players is supposed to be encyclopeadic, but he would be first to admit, he's no where near ready yet...Rome 77


That's the point we know he isn't ready for manager but I can't really see the difference between Martinez and carragher his passion and club knowledge and his European experience trumps Martinez for me I don't think he should get the job but I think he should get a position at least I don't think Martinez should get the job either,I am a season ticket holder who watched a team playing exactly the same way all season last year and that's why dalglish was sacked.it was the same football with mostly the same outcome all season.pep is the perfect choice but we know that's not going to happen.


You want to hinge the future of the club on a lottery ticket... better have a lot of money because it take a lot of lottery tickets to win....
Suffolk'n Red


 

 

27 May 2012 19:26:37
Ins:
Manager: Jurgen Klopp
Assistant Coach: Andries Jonker
Sporting Director: Louis Van Gaal
Technical Director: Pep Segura
Director of Football: Txiki Begeristain
Goalkeeping Coach: Frans Hoek
CAM: Gaston Ramirez
RW: Ryad Boudebouz
CM: Rasmus Elm
SS: Luuk de Jong

Outs:
Maxi Rodriguez
Dirk Kuyt
Charlie Adam
Alberto Aqualani
Joe Cole
Daniel Pacheco
Christian Poulsen
Fabio Aurelio


And you are aware that Klopp said he's not leaving Dortmund, yes?


That would be my dream.... oh if only.:o)


Someone has been playing championship manager this afternoon, lolol

redphil


 

 

27 May 2012 18:52:10
We already new this but this article puts some flesh on the bones of why the whole affair is so protracted.

Liverpool have made the first steps towards appointing Louis van Gaal as sporting director after meeting with him in Portugal last week.

There are, though, complications as to whether the Dutchman's methods match the way the Fenway Sports Group are seeking to restructure the club.

Van Gaal has been spending the summer at his house near Albufeira in the Algarve and it is understood that Ian Ayre, Liverpool's managing director, flew out to meet him last week.

There are very few available candidates that possess Van Gaal's pedigree. He has been out of work since falling into dispute with Ajax and Johan Cruyff.

While Van Gaal wants to be a head coach or manager, and has had plenty of offers, he recognises that Liverpool is a unique opportunity for him, even if it means working in a different role.

He has won titles in the Netherlands, Spain and Germany with Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich respectively and wants to test himself in English football.

The difficulties lie in Van Gaal being able to adapt to how Liverpool want their new structure to work. The first issue will be how comfortable the new manager would be working with Van Gaal, especially if it is a young manager like Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martínez.

Rodgers and Martinez are the leading contenders to succeed Kenny Dalglish. Martinez met John W Henry, the principal owner, in Miami last week while Rodgers is thought to be back in serious contention after intially declining a meeting with Liverpool.

Such is FSG's admiration for Martínez that, after sacking Damien Comolli in April, they considered approaching him for the role of director of football. At Wigan he has had a lot of control about the way the club works and he will be reluctant to cede too much influence to a sporting director at Liverpool.

Van Gaal has a reputation for setting the highest standards and being forthright to the point of arrogance. When he was technical director of Ajax in 2004, his demands caused him to fall out with head coach Ronald Koeman. Van Gaal ended up resigning.

Another issue is that, in all his previous jobs, Van Gaal has taken a substantial staff with him, made up of coaches and analysts. It is understood that he would want to bring key people with him to help infuse his football philosophy.

Andries Jonker, his former assistant at Bayern, has announced that he will be leaving Munich this summer, giving rise to speculation that he will be joining up with Van Gaal again. Van Gaal would also want to bring Frans Hoek with him, the innovative goalkeeping coach who Pepe Reina credits with developing his distinctive style at Barcelona.

Liverpool, though, have apparently refused to accept Steve Clarke's resignation as first team coach, and only appointed Kevin Keen as a coach last summer, so may seek some continuity in this area. Then, of course, any new manager is surely going to want to bring some trusted coaching staff along with him.

To add to this complicated picture, FSG are also contemplating appointing a technical director as well as a sporting director. They felt that Comolli was taking on too much as director of football and want to divide the responsibilities into two jobs. Pep Segura, the technical manager of the Liverpool academy, is the favourite for the technical director role.

The next step for the owners is to decide whether to meet Van Gaal personally and find a way to resolve the issues that his appointment would bring, or whether to look for a candidate who, while not having Van Gaal's track record, would prove a more straightforward fit for the way they want to run the club.


I fully respect Van Gaal, but if he has a track record for pissing people off and resigning, I can only wonder how long he will last at Liverpool if he is appointed in any capacity - I'd be worried if he is appointed to be honest!

Scouse179


 

 

27 May 2012 19:04:53
What exactly does Martinez or Rodgers have that so many people believe that they are ideal managers for Liverpool. Their current profile would not warrant their appointment to Chelsea, Arsenal or United. So why should Liverpool have to settle for them.

JD


I don't know that anyone is saying they're 'ideal', but they're realistic. I think most would agree that the likes of Klopp, Bielsa, etc. might be more 'ideal', but it turns out they're not available for various reasons and the 2 you mentioned likely are and check many of the boxes.

RDL


They're young (this is some enormous boon, it seems) and have done okay recently. That appears to be it.

I have nothing against Martinez & Rodgers and I'll get behind either of them as manager, but I don't get the hype around them, either. That said, with Klopp and de Boer ruling themselves out, van Gaal seemingly after the DoF / Sporting Director job, and very few other names popping up, it's looking a Marintez/Rodgers style appointment, or Rafa.

Now personally I'd prefer Rafa, but I could understand both the club and some of the fans not agreeing with me on that.

- Something Red -


Cos they are young, hungry for success and play good attractive football


Arsenal or united have not been after a manager for a long while now so take them out of the equation.
Chelsea have employed loads of high profile managers over the last decade and have also sacked them all, so that way of doing things is obviously not working.
We need to find the "right" man for the job. If that happens to be pep guardiola then fine or if that happens to be an unknown manager from the third tier of the german league then that's fine also.
As long as they are well vetted and the owners are sure then I am happy.
Look at where all the great managers came from, look at where ferguson and wenger came from.

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - I would rather suggest that what Chelsea are doing has worked rather well.}


Ed002, I personally think that both Martinez and Rodgers are better managers than Di Matteo. If we don't get either Martinez or Rodgers and Matteo got the Chelsea job, i'd still think that Martinez and Rodgers are better.

Would you agree? Thanks

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - I don't know how you have measured "better" Blair, but if I had the choice to decide who would be the best managers for each of the clubs I honestly would doubt any of the three would make the top five for either club moving forward. But that is where we are.}


Agreed, ED002, that this particular strategy may work for Chelsea but I don't think it's one LFC can continue to afford to pursue. {Ed002's Note - Agreed, I don't think Liverpool are chasing the dream with this approach, just looks that way right now. Once it all settles it'll be fine no doubt - as long as whoever gets the job gets the fans giving their support.}


Chelsea are looking to appoint a new manager. I haven't heard of Martinez or Rodgers names been linked.


An if the United or Arsenal jobs were vacant right now? Do you think Martinez or Rodgers would get a sniff? Not a chance!! And they will not get a sniff at the vacant Chelsea job either! But LFC are been advised to chase after these guys. If its David Dein advising FSG. Would he advise Arsenal to go after these candidates? I don't think so. He would want more for his beloved Arsenal.

Also Wegner wasn't an unknown, he had won the French league and cup with Monaco before Arsenal.

Ferguson had won Scottish titles and the Cup Winner's Cup with Aberdeen before United.

Rafa had won Spanish titles and a European trophy with Valencia before Liverpool.

Mourniho and AVB won the Portuguese league, and European trophies with Porto before they got their chance at Chelsea

And citing Guardiola, well he is the coach at Barcelona, Johann Cryuff, Tixi Bergistein, and their footballing academy have been huge factors in Barcelona's success's over the last 5 years, a conveyor belt that has produced some the finest players seen this decade! And Guardiola's replacement will be another Barcelona B team manager who is well versed in the finely tuned Barcelona way.

Kloop will move to a bigger club eventually, do you know why, its because he was a successful first with Dortmund (and yes Dortmund is a relatively small club).

I just can't understand people's belief that Liverpool will soon be unveiling the next great young manager. On what basis have people reached these conclusions. At least the guys above had proven their ability at a smaller club before taking on the responsibility of a much bigger club.

Another thing that grates me. Does anyone actually believe that Liverpool are laying the foundations for a dynasty and that Martinez or Rodgers will be here in 10 years overseeing it, well for a start, that's naive, because FSG will not be here in 10 years to oversee that said dynasty.



And Ed002 your right, Chelsea have done very well indeed.


JD {Ed001's Note - hahaha at your ludicrous and frankly offensive statement about Dortmund. You clearly lack any kind of knowledge about German football. They are far from small, only Bayern Munchen are bigger in Germany.}


Ed 002; why? if RDM doesn't get the job why would any manager want to work at Chelsea? {Ed002's Note - If RDM is not offered or does not accept any deal there will be others who will. The owner and the board want what is best for the club.}


Yeah but Chelsea have spent £100,000,000,000,000 thats why they did well


Ed001, fair point you consider Dortmund a bigger club than I do. I consider them to be in the same bracket as Porto i.e. not one of the giants of European football and that's why I used the term "relatively".

JD


 

 

27 May 2012 18:56:51
If we hire Rogers or Martinez, I will know our club is headed in the right direction, with owners who are forward looking and courageous.

If we hire some retirement age retread from the 1980's with "titles" under his belt, I will view our owners as clueless and simply looking for a "name" that will appease the fans - especially the "Kenny-should-have-got-another year" shouters.


Thats all we need.. Another expert posting rubbish yet again!..

Angry fan


So if our courageous, forward looking new manager finishes 8th will he be given more time to rebuild? Or will his head be called for?

We talk about looking forward and rebuilding, and the youth of Martinez and Rodgers is frequently trotted out as a great asset to such a rebuild. But at the same time, we weren't prepared to give Kenny more than a season as permanent manager at it. That's what gets me about this whole thing.

- Something Red -


Out of curiosity is Ferguson not like 102 and yet he's the most successful manager the premier leagues had..

I hate UTD with a passion but your ageist post has made you look rediculaus.

If your goodenough then your goodenough regardless of age.

Stupid post I must say


If a forward looking manager finishes 8th, his fate will probably depend on whether, at the annual review, he gives the owners a "back me or fire " ultimatum. If he does, he will have talked himself out of a job

If, on the other hand, he can offer a reasonable explanation for why we finished 8th, and present a plan for why we will not finish 8th the next season, he will have a good chance of keeping his job.

Staying employed is partly about how you manage your bosses' expectations, and whether or not you have the social skills not to p#ss them off.


Fergusion was 45 when he got the job


I'm sure Gerard Houllier sat down and offered reasons why he had stagnated when he was fired in that very reasonable and polite tone of his and he got fired anyway. And he didn't even finish 8th.

And I'm not talking about the club's hierarchy anyway, I'm talking about the fans calling for his sacking. Will Martinez's date of birth make him immune to that?

- Something Red -


 

 

27 May 2012 18:40:55
moses not to be bought for more than 10m


 

 

27 May 2012 18:32:35
Louis Van Gaal to be new DOF as you have all probably guessed. The new manager will be either Martinez or Rogers. There is 0% chance of Pep, sorry, i wish there was. As i understand it, Rogers is FSGs preferred choice.

Chunk


 

 

27 May 2012 18:20:33
Swansea just announced a deal for sugurdson(spelling), I really doubt that he would have agreed the move if rogers wasn't stayin, looks like Martinez is most likely, don't see wat all the moaning is about, I think given a chance he'll do well. Keaner LFC


 

 

27 May 2012 18:15:11
MARTINEZ will be the manager, bringing diame and possibly two more wigan players with him

The Outsider


It could be worse at least these guys all know how a relegation scrap works!


Hopefully mc aurther n mc carthy he brings ith hm , sweeten the deal with henderson n adam go the other way
5 gold stars


Are you for real 5 Gold Stars? How can you all want mid table players to come to us we'll never get back to what we was?


 

 

27 May 2012 17:54:23
Oh sorry I must of missed typed in google, i thought I was one Liverpool rumours not Liverpool moaners.. My mistake hey.


But your moaning about everybody moaning?

Mighty reds


 

 

27 May 2012 17:48:14
Mark my words Martinez or Rodgers will show zero improvement in terms of signings and sucess if they are appointed manager. We need a bigger name im affraid.

RDR


Yep cos bigger names always do well


No we dont ... wenger was a unknown and look at what he has achieved we need some 1 on a long term contract with good ideas i would be be more then happy with martinez he is young and has very good football mind he has done wonders with wigan on a limited budget and i believe if the fans get behind him he could be great


And what would you do if either of those managers did well for us?. No doubt you would come on this page and say i told you so. IE 2 faced plastic supporters. Guess what? We dont need supporters like you.

Andy kopheaed


Wenger wasn't unknown. He did very well at Monaco.

BthekingB


Jose Mourinho started off as a translator, now look at him.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Sorry mate you're on the wrong site, you want Chelsea, its spelt C-H-E-L-S-E-A.

Neither have even be employed and people like you are slagging them off.

I for one would be happy with either Martinez or Rodgers, personally though I would like Martinez.

The owners want to build a dynasty at LFC starting with a young manager who is going to be here 5-10 years, you get a big name manager they will be around what 2 years if that, then be on to the next project.

Do me a favor and think before you make statements like that.
SA


"We need a bigger name . . . "

Yawn.

Somebody obviously forgot to tell Barcelona. I have never heard of the guy they just appointed manager. And he succeeded someone who coached the B team.

And thank God Dortmund didn't need a "bigger name" when they hired Klopp from the second division.


Consider why haven't Chelsea been sniffing around Martinez or Rodgers. I wonder why not?


People here saying we need someone long term with good ideas!.
Well if you don't make the top 4 your out! Regardless of what trophies you win.

That appears to be the message sent from FSG.
So unless he hits top 4 next season then I can't see the next manager being LONG term.
SL76


 

 

27 May 2012 17:47:19
Just wanted to post my feelings on the club going forward into the new season, where we need to strengthen and players who's time could be up.
GOALKEEPERS
I dont believe all this Pepe going talk. It's rubbish, he loves the club and when he does leave, it'll be to Atletico Madrid. Think we should allow Doni and Jones to leave and bring Gulacsi up as our no. 2
DEFENDERS
I wouldn't buy a replacement for Aurelio as we have Robinson as back-up for Enrique. In the centre we have an excellent choice of Coates, Agger, Carragher, Skrtel, Wilson and Wisdom, even Coady if you throw him in that position. One player I would like to see go is Johnson. He is our worst full-back defensively and we have Kelly and Flanagan who are both better in that area and are good enough IMO.
MIDFIELDERS
I would like to see us stick with a 4-4-2 next season, rather than continuously changing it around. Although I don't think Downing is good enough, he will have to stay. It looks very likely that Kuyt and Maxi are going meaning that Downing is our only winger, so unless Henderson plays RM next season, we need 2 new wingers. In the centre we have Gerrard, Adam, Shelvey, Lucas, Spearing, Cole and Aquilani. The latter is very likely to go, while I see Spearing leaving as well. I would love to see Joe Cole stay on and be a success, but the truth is he is also very likely to be moved on. I think Suso and Sterling will make big steps next season.
STRIKERS
We have Carroll, Suarez and Bellamy, with Eccleston and Morgan on the cusps. I don't think Eccleston is good enough and will likely be moved on, while I would be very surprised to see Morgan play at all next season. Bellamy is aging but is all we have in terms of backup while I'm sure Suarez and Carroll will both stay. Have heard rumours of Jackson Martinez, but that was a long time ago.

In summary, we need a LM, RM and a ST next season. Just 3 positions and we will be a much better side but of course the appointments made in the next few weeks are going to be some of the biggest in the clubs history.

Sean The Red


We need a new left back. Enrique has been poor.
AnfieldUSA


 

 

27 May 2012 17:44:17
I've heard liverpool are going to bring jack butland in from Birmingham for £5m as pepe reina replacement , butland has been getting rave reviews from Joe hart and wenger and the Birmingham manager


 

 

27 May 2012 17:42:20
is rafa ruled in or out


Shake it all about. Come on people join in.

Mighty reds


Do the hokey dokey dokey...

Phooey


Oh the hokey kokey
giblet


And what is this all about?

StrabaneRed

PS: That cheered me right up Mighty Reds, cheers!


 

 

27 May 2012 17:40:50
does any1 know why Del Pierro is in the north west


Soccer aid


 

 

27 May 2012 17:21:23
hi eds....is van gaal our new dof??


 

 

27 May 2012 17:19:48
I'd like to give my take on what I think is likely to occur. I don't have any sources to cite, but this is what i've picked up from different rumours:

Manager: Jurgen Klopp
Assistant Coach: Andries Jonker (Former Assistant Coach to Louis Van Gaal)

Sporting Director: Louis Van Gaal
Director of Football: Txiki Begeristain

Goalkeeping Coaches: Frans Hoek and Xavi Valero (Former coaches of Pepe Reina)

Lee Wickham JFT96 YNWA {Ed002's Note -


Tap your feet together and say there's no place like home...


What is so unrealtistic about the recruitment of any of these individuals? Van Gaal is definetly interested in having an input into the project FSG have in mind. He will likely want to have his footballing methodology instilled into the manager, so he will bring Andries Jonker with him. Txiki Begeristain has been approached regarding the Director of Football position. Jurgen Klopp has had very successful season in the Bundesliga; however he is still an ambitious, but attainable target.

Lee Wickham JFT96 YNWA


Ok if it true, i will where red ruby encrusted high heel shoes at the first home game... no disrespect to your your post, I would love it to be true. But Martinez is holding a press conference on Tuesday the chances are he saying goodbye and thanks...


 

 

27 May 2012 17:15:29
Does anybody know when the martinez conference actually is? I've heard various days mentioned?

Gezzaared


Tuesday I think.

Burnsy


Tuesday

Hans


 

 

27 May 2012 17:13:15
Looking through a number of these posts it is apparent that some people consider Rodgers to be a better potential manager than Martinez. I wonder why? What has Rodgers achieved that Martinez hasn't? Promotion and one season in the Premier League? Phil Brown managed that with Hull City.

I expect Martinez to announce next week that he will not be coming to Liverpool. He knows the pressure he would be under from the Liverpool fans who laughingly expected someone like Guardiola. But working under the shadow of a DoF, not being able to build his own team, would make it even harder to win the fans over. Martinez will stay at Wigan until the right job comes up.


 

 

27 May 2012 16:58:38
Congratulations to Crewe Alexandra on promotion. Fantastic youth system.

Square tomato


Yep.... And also my second team
TIZER RED


Yep well done to my local team.
Clayton to the Reds!

Jack the Groove


 

 

27 May 2012 16:48:35
My source has informed me of the following. He is friends with a player so it might not be 100%

He reckons that rogers has been approached and will be interviewed this week at anfield. He is the preferred choice and martinez will be holding a press
Conference this week to say he is staying at Wigan and will say that he didn't see eye to eye with the set up etc.

Even though we had a big short list martinez was the only guy who was the most keen but there were other managers interviewed as much as him it's just that whelan has been feeding the media with info hence why people think he is favourite.

Avb and others have been interviewed but it's rogers who is favourite and my source thinks he will accept the job.

He expects all to be confirmed before the 1st June.

I may be wrong but it seems that Macca was right when he said about rogers being favourite


Here's hoping your very wrong. Rodgers or Martinez shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Liverpool

Jid


All evidence indicates they are two of the brightest young managers in the game.

If they are not considered for Liverpool - shame on us.

Thank God we did not have internet forums and radio call-in shows when Liverpool board decided to hire Shankly.


When skanks came we had nothing to lose as we were a second division team , now we have the status we have built up over the years to lose . red mick tag


Stop banging on about Shanks different age


 

 

27 May 2012 16:43:04
What i think will happen

DOF ~ Van Gaal
Manager~ Martinez

Out
Maxi, Reina, Suarez, Skertl, Johnson, Kuyt

In
Roger Johnson, Hoillett, Moses, Diame, Del Pierro


Roger Johnson 2 relegation's in 2 seasons


I agree that Suarez, Skertl, Maxi and Kuyt will more than likely go, I think Johnson will stay and Pepe might stay for 1 more season.

Id take Johnson, Hoilett, Moses and Diame but i doubt we'll get Del Pierro... Paul D


Why don't you put a bet on it. You might just beat the bookies on this one.

Mighty reds


Thanks for your opinion but Suarez, Skrtel (spelt correctly) and Reina will not leave! 1 may but I also doubt that!

Please please be a bit more positive..

YNWA jns


Hate to say it but i cant see Suarez and skertl here next season, Kuyt and maxi can go aswell


Del piero wont come and if we replace Skertel, Suarez, Maxi and Kyut with that other lot we will for sure need Martinez's experience of relegation fighting


That plan = Relegation
Replace quality Suarez and Skrtel with Moses and Johnson.

E.H LFC


I can see Sketrle and Suarez leaving, Not bothered if Reina leaves, Hes been brutal for the last 3 seasons, Not bothered about maxi or kuyt leaving either


Skrtle reina and suarez wont stay if martinez or rodgers comes in as manager


Let me get this right replace Reina, Suarez, Skrtel, Johnson, Maxi and Kyut with Hoilett, Diame, Moses and Roger Johnson, and exclude Del Piero (we wont be getting him).

We will be in serious trouble next season if this comes to pass!

JD


Del Piero is about 52, he's been at Juventus for about 40 years. that'll really propel us up the table. Get a grip.

Sooty


 

 

27 May 2012 16:42:57
Its nice to see that some of the hostility towards Roberto Martinez has died down on here toady, some of the things written about the man were embarrassing and i'm sure the ed's had to delete a lot worse. While i do agree Martinez probably isn't the man for the job that does mean we shouldn't support whoever the owners appoint.

The Louis Van Gaal rumour is an interesting one however it would be a risky appointment, weather he is the manager or the DOF it would have to be made perfectly clear to him that he doesn't have total control of the club, and he does have a reputation of falling out with people. The plus side of that is player power at Liverpool probably needs to be addressed and i'm sure Van Gaal would have none of it.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens in the coming days or maybe weeks, whoever is the next manager is going to need everyone's full support so less moaning is a must.

One thing though, if and its a big if, the owners get the right people in and come to a decision regarding the stadium (hopefully expand Anfield) success will surely not be far behind. It seems FSG are here for the long haul so lets get behind them.

always a red


So you basically disagree with everything FSG are doing then, yet your still prepared to go along with any appointments they make! What a tool. Shut your eyes and hope for the best eh!

Waro


I wouldn't say thinking Martinez isn't the man for the job disagreeing with everything FSG are doing, they're sorting the club out from top to bottom, reversing years of mismanagement from previous owners and most of all (P)Rick Parry the man who has left us maybe a decade behind United.

always a red


Rick Parry along with David Dein (an Arsenal fanatic) are part of the team that is currently advising FSG.


I agree with your post. I think too much player power and big egos have stopped us from maybe winning league titles in that 20 year period. A fresh face might rectify that problem.

Andy kophead


Who are you calling toady?

Puzzled


God help us if parry is advising them even hicks saw him for what he is.after all he was the person that advised moores to sell the club to him.parry is a prime example of why you shouldnt appoint a administrator/accountant as ceo of a football club


 

 

27 May 2012 16:30:04
Comeon no one knows who has handed in the transfer request or who will be the manager so stop lying and just say it is a rumour or that it is what you would want.
getting on my nerves


 

 

27 May 2012 16:26:49
Eds could you answer the following - Why do we need a - "Director of Football"?

In theory I can see why the owners think it might work as they work off an American workprint, but is there any actual evidence or precedents to suggest that a person in this position works within English Football whereby we operate with managers who invariably want "total control" as opposed to coaches who simply coach the team?

Do you think the owners are slightly misguided in their thinking assuming that a DOF and a manger will and can work in tandom?
{Ed002's Note - A DoF is not some "American" idea, many clubs use them. Chelsea have a DoF and have won the EPL three times in recent years plus a bunch of other trophies.}


Wasn't avram grant the d.o.f before he became intrim manager for chelsea
huddz red {Ed002's Note - Grant, Arnesen, Emenalo at Chelsea. Lest we forget - Comolli at Liverpool.}


Any other English clubs ed002?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Spurs, Newcastle in the past, Stoke, Reading, Peterborough, numerous lower tier teams.}


Mourinho & Arnesen did not get on. Redknapp ditched the DoF at Spurs, as did Newcastle (remember Wise !) and Stoke.
Not a good track record in the Prem ed.
But it's all in the choice of personnel - there has to be a good working relationship.
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Made no difference at Chelsea - they have won plenty of trophies so the argument is rather flawed.}


I think that what we have on our side is that we are looking to recruit both, so hopefully the owners will get 2 people who have previously, or would, like to work together.

Phooey


With the money Chelsea were spending they should have been winning trophies.

GuvTOB


Its hardly flawed Ed! You picked the one team that has done well with a Dof. If the debate is flawed then why dont the rest of the Pl teams follow the same model if its such a winner? Ps I always thought Roman was the Dof at Chelsea!

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Due to existing Premier League rules only one team can win each year.}


Ed002 you a smart a## aren't you.lol good one.

Finesse - Seychelles


 

 

27 May 2012 16:26:48
I'm just passing on a message I was tild this afternoon so don't shoot the messenger. My friend has a friend who is close to Chris Kamara. On Friday CK told my friend that Brendon Rogers is a cert for the Liverpool Managers Job. Price was 12/1. My mate has backed big money on this being true. As the Weekend had progressed the odds are now as short as 2/1. Maybe there are some legs in this?


When people put large money on bets the odds tend to shorten.


Let's hope the legs don't get burnt in this weather.

Mighty reds


 

 

27 May 2012 16:14:22
There are, though, complications as to whether the Dutchman's methods match the way the Fenway Sports Group are seeking to restructure the club.
Van Gaal has been spending the summer at his house near Albufeira in the Algarve and it is understood that Ian Ayre, Liverpool's managing director, flew out to meet him last week.
There are very few available candidates that possess Van Gaal's pedigree. He has been out of work since falling into dispute with Ajax and Johan Cruyff.
While Van Gaal wants to be a head coach or manager, and has had plenty of offers, he recognises that Liverpool is a unique opportunity for him, even if it means working in a different role.
He has won titles in the Netherlands, Spain and Germany with Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich respectively and wants to test himself in English football.
The difficulties lie in Van Gaal being able to adapt to how Liverpool want their new structure to work. The first issue will be how comfortable the new manager would be working with Van Gaal, especially if it is a young manager like Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martínez.
Rodgers and Martinez are the leading contenders to succeed Kenny Dalglish. Martinez met John W Henry, the principal owner, in Miami last week while Rodgers is thought to be back in serious contention after intially declining a meeting with Liverpool.
Such is FSG's admiration for Martínez that, after sacking Damien Comolli in April, they considered approaching him for the role of director of football. At Wigan he has had a lot of control about the way the club works and he will be reluctant to cede too much influence to a sporting director at Liverpool.
Van Gaal has a reputation for setting the highest standards and being forthright to the point of arrogance. When he was technical director of Ajax in 2004, his demands caused him to fall out with head coach Ronald Koeman. Van Gaal ended up resigning.
Another issue is that, in all his previous jobs, Van Gaal has taken a substantial staff with him, made up of coaches and analysts. It is understood that he would want to bring key people with him to help infuse his football philosophy.
Andries Jonker, his former assistant at Bayern, has announced that he will be leaving Munich this summer, giving rise to speculation that he will be joining up with Van Gaal again. Van Gaal would also want to bring Frans Hoek with him, the innovative goalkeeping coach who Pepe Reina credits with developing his distinctive style at Barcelona.
Liverpool, though, have apparently refused to accept Steve Clarke's resignation as first team coach, and only appointed Kevin Keen as a coach last summer, so may seek some continuity in this area. Then, of course, any new manager is surely going to want to bring some trusted coaching staff along with him.
To add to this complicated picture, FSG are also contemplating appointing a technical director as well as a sporting director. They felt that Comolli was taking on too much as director of football and want to divide the responsibilities into two jobs. Pep Segura, the technical manager of the Liverpool academy, is the favourite for the technical director role.
The next step for the owners is to decide whether to meet Van Gaal personally and find a way to resolve the issues that his appointment would bring, or whether to look for a candidate who, while not having Van Gaal's track record, would prove a more straightforward fit for the way they want to run the club.

Ed's if this is true would it be worth just giving him the managers job as the new manager may not want the staff that Van Gaal wants to bring with him and it's already going to cause a bit of tension between him and the new manager

Mark the Red


Good post. Cheers.

BJH YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 16:11:13
liverpool will appoint rogers as coach and van gaal as dof
ynwa


 

 

27 May 2012 16:08:46
Eds is there any chance of a 'confirmed rumours' page one that the eds can either confirm a rumour that's posted that isn't just made up, I love reading the site but someday you come on and it's ridiculous!
Cheers

Lfcmatt {Ed002's Note - There are more than enough pages already.}


How can you have confirmed rumours????


Maybe there not really confirmed?

Mighty reds


A 'confirmed' rumours page would be a news page

Puzzled


 

 

27 May 2012 15:34:51
Ed's, macca,

Any news on our manager?

I for one would love rodgers at our club, with van gaal as DoF. Swansea played superb football, and with the lfc squad rodgers should be able to do better. With van gaal being a 'big' name in the world of football, getting our transfer targets should also be a bit easier..

JanBorman


 

 

27 May 2012 15:29:50
The new manager coming in will have no or very little say on the transfer front and will be responsible only to coach the players who'll be at his disposal and to select the team for each match..Most managers don't work this way and that's why the most suitable candidate right now is Pep..and he's most likely to join us as he looks on us as a new challenge for himself..but who the DOF will be can change all that..And the owners know that if Pep is convinced, many big name players will be ready to join the club..As of now, the player who wants to quit LFC is definitely Pepe Reina because he doesn't see the speculated arrival of Martinez as the right step forward..This will no more be the case if Pep is appointed...as always, things do change drastically in football and mostly when the owners are FSG and Americans (not the ultra-rich Sheikhs)..
Au revoir et à bientot.


And your source/ info is???

I'm sick of people taking sinpits of information and adding in a load of bulls**t assumptions and then writing statements I the vain if truth and insight!

This post is symtamatic of fans today, and the reaso. We know it's rubbish is the poster has decided they are far too important to sign the post.

Opinions are welcome of stated as such!

NS


 

 

27 May 2012 15:29:03
wat is looking more likely ed a staying at anfield or a new staduim {Ed002's Note - I have explained the options at some length, but to get away from the tedium of teh manager situation:

Putting aside a shared stadium, with a feeling of deja vu, there are five options as I see it: (1) New build to an existing “approved” design commissioned by the previous owners. This has the benefit of being the quickest and most economic way forward as far as a new build goes and I recall the fans being impressed with the designs. (2) New build to the design of an existing stadium (e.g. the Allianz Arena). This would save considerably on architects fees but may prove problematic in other areas – but may be more viable than folks realise. (3) New build to a completely new design. It will cost considerably more and take much longer to go down this route. This has to be a high-risk option. (4) Redevelopment of Anfield to add 12-15k seats that FSG would like to see. Economically this would seem to be the option that would give the best return on investment, but this is the option that is hampered by local planning regulations. My feeling is that this is seemingly the option that most fans would prefer. (5) A phased improvement and redevelopment of Anfield to bring the stadium up to code and to perhaps add some additional seating. This would provide a medium term solution that only moves the real issue to the right, but it would possibly facilitate the inclusion of the full quota of additional seating at a later date. My assumption was always that any naming right deal would be for a new build and not for a redeveloped Anfield although that position has moved somewhat. I suspect that FSG are actively trying to find a way to overcome planning regulation restrictions that would allow them to eventually add the additional seating at Anfield that they desire. Building a new stadium is going to mean a very large loan being taken on and even though sponsorship will cover much of the cost year on year, it can possibly be seen as an albatross that FSG may not want hanging around their neck. So options (4) and (5) remain the most likely in my view.}


Ed in the longer run woeuld it not be better to build a new stadium?a redevelopd anfield wont bring in as much revenue as arsenals satadium but a new stadium might?

majestic69 {Ed001's Note - but a new stadium creates a huge debt to hold the club back, as Arsenal have shown.}


So ed1 which option would you go for out if those 5 optiions?

majestic69 {Ed001's Note - redevelopment of Anfield, over time the issues blocking it from going much bigger could hopefully be resolved. If not, the extra money from the bigger stadium would be helpful in paying for a new one.}


3 options,1 new stadium, 2 redevel.
3 shared stadium,we should of
took option 3 years ago we've been
going round in circles for the
last 12years, in that time chelsea
have overtaken us and city have,
while we've fiddled rome has burnt, somewhere along the line
we need to bite the bullet,but
somehow i don't see with fsg
onboard we need a sheikh or
oligarch..................


 

 

27 May 2012 14:59:15
brendan rodgers has not been approached since he rejected interview.if he is offered the job he will take it but theres no developements as of yet.dont put your cash on him just yet because he quite simply hasnt been offered it YET


THE HAWK


 

 

27 May 2012 14:48:40
With regards to Van Gaal, I believe that he is open to the idea of having a DoF, etc. because that is how most european clubs are run. Van Gaal himself was technical director at Ajax not too long ago if I remember rightly. However, I think he wants the managers job (if he's even interested) with his own choice of DoF. This would make more sense than appointing a manager and then somebody they don't want to work with.

Joe


 

 

27 May 2012 15:24:57
Would people stop jumping to conclusions, where would pepe go? All the bigger teams than us have good goalkeepers, it makes no sense to leave, I think it is more realistic that if any player has handed in a transfer request it would be, kuyt, maxi, cole or aqua


 

 

27 May 2012 15:20:23
Now I see why Nick Powell is special....I don't care who is in charge sign him now!!

GuvTOB


I believe he has already agreed to join Man U, even though he is a City supporter. Arsene Wenger is also rumoured to have been in regular telephone contact with him over the past few months!

The shoe shine Boy


 

 

27 May 2012 15:18:28
Nick powell just scored a cracker! Really hope we get him

Square tomato


 

 

27 May 2012 14:31:02
I'm not going to lie...I'm very disappointed.

There has been hardly any talk of 'smokescreens' so far :'( That was the second reason I come to this site (The opinions of the Eds and Macca being first).

Don't tell me everyone has given up on their conspiracy theories about how a scout at a Rochdale game is actually a disguise for a £50 million transfer of Ibrahimovic!

It might seem like I'm taking the piss, but in all seriousness can we have some of the more wacky rumours back please, all this moping and managerial maneuvering is making me too serious.


According to my dog, who just ate a rabbit, who got told by a caterpillar, Messi will come to LFC on a play as you play contract, as he isnt rated by the only staff left at the club. (The tea lady). Hope it comes off, I heard he's a decent back up.

Burnsy


I'm pretty sure your post bemoaning the lack of smokescreens is in itself a smokescreen...

I'll finish with some MOTD fever/ Nick Powell to LFC ;-)


According to my sauces (ketchup, BBQ and the like - but don't trust mayonnaise, he'll only lie) martinez rejecting the club is just a smokescreen for his appointment, but he will pretend to be the manager and chose the team sheets while still pretending to be managing Wigan.

Exciting times.

Jolly Red


I heard the same as Jolly Red from Hollondaise!
Bazzaa


Ok well heres for you mate... my itk sources have informed me that Fsgs shortlist process is indeed a smokescreen for pep guardiola who is indeed a smokescreen for a new manager to be in place by Monday morning

Ive been told that FSG really like what steve keane has done at Blackburn and this has led them to belive that he could do a similar job at LFC. So there you have it! JF LFC


The only reason the tea lady dont rate Mesi is that he takes 2 sugars in his tea!
You heard it her first....


The lack of smokescreens is a smokescreen to cover the fact that everything that is seen to be happening is a smokescreen for what is actually happening


Is what's actually happening the coming of the Lord? Aliens coming? Return of Elvis?
Bazzaa


I met david moyes outside Melwood yesterday so I asked him to give me a footie up over the wall so I could see what was going on. After a lot of mumbling incomprehensible words under his breath, continual grunting and struggling, huffing and puffing, moyes finally manged to raise me up to have a good look at what was going on over the wall with the hope of seeing what new faces (managerial or otherwise) had arrived at LFC... and guess what - there was nobody there. So yep, I can't tell you anything either.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

27 May 2012 14:23:33
ed002, anything finalized on louis van gaal yet?
if martinez is going to have a press conference on tuesday seems like he isnt coming ..does that mean LVG has got what he wants, to be the manager and not a DOF? though doesnt look like FSG is going to give up with their plans of a proper hierarchy and appoint LVG with total control? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know where the club is in this process and who will be involved.}


 

 

27 May 2012 14:18:42
Why does everyone assume that Martinez has to announce where he's going tomorrow? Yes there is a press conference at the DW scheduled but why does everyone assume its to say he's staying or taking the Liverpool job? Why can he not just hold a press conference to tell the media and Wigan fans he is leaving? Not necessarily to Liverpool as Aston Villa also want him. But before he takes a job doesn't he owe the Wigan fans a goodbye first? Because if he is to take the Liverpool job and he only held a press conference with J.W Henry to say he's taking it I would be disappointed in him.
Just a thought.
KiwiRed


That's exactly what I thought. This press conference could be to say thankyou and goodbye to the Wigan fans. Surely if he was staying, he wouldn't need to hold a press conference? The bottom line is, nobody knows what's going on, and we probably won't until there is some kind of official announcement

Stell


For me, the whole press conference thing makes it more likely that he's getting the job, not less. A thank you to the Wigan supporters, the chairman, etc. whilst announcing his intention to move on with a simultaneous press release from Anfield seems more likely to me than calling a press conference to say that I'm not going anywhere. Guess we'll see though...

RDL


 

 

27 May 2012 13:58:33
I hope that Luis Suarez stays with us for along period of time to help us get back in to the CL and win some more trophies. Luis Suarez has served his ban so the matter is closed as far as I am concerned. We are LFC and a world renowned brand, would Real Madrid get rid of Ronaldo or Man Utd get rid of Rooney, Barcelona get rid of Messi in in similar situation. The answer is no. We are a football team and Suarez is an exceptional football player, the owners should stand by him and not just sacrifice him to appease the press and the poison that that they continually print regarding our club. Yes he does make mistakes but who doesn't his handball for Uruguay (I wish Rob Jones had done the same thing for us in the 96 F.A. cup final), Evra-gate (cultural differences, as agreed by F.A.) & gesturing to histile fans he should have let his play do the talking). I cannot fathom the biting an opponent situation though.
His talents are obvious and they say that there is a fine line between genius and insanity.
Scouse_Pride


Good point.
Skurks


Couldn't agree more Scouse Pride..

Lee YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 13:56:06
to begin with, lets talk about our next manager ? right now its looking likely that it is gonna be roberto martinez, do u guys think he can bring liverpool back to the champions league ? he will be under a lot of pressure to deliver a champions league spot . but personally i think rafa should come back,he knows all about champions league and i think hes the man to lift liverpool and bring them back to their feet


 

 

27 May 2012 13:53:22
Pepe Reina owes us a massive season next year, not a transfer request (albeit unconfirmed). Last season he was easily one of the worst keepers in the league based on form. The amount of times he was beaten by weak efforts at his near post or let it go through his legs was a disgrace, as is his current penalty saving.

The same applies for Skrtel (yet again transfer request unconfirmed). He owes us a couple more seasons of good service as if you exclude some performances during Hodgson's reign and his great form last season we had to put up with some distinctly average, and dare I say it cowardly performances from him, especially in his first two seasons.


Why do they owe us? Apart from being employed by the club what are there emotional ties to the club? If it was a self professed Liverpool fan who when he signed made it clear this was his dream come true to play for Liverpool then a season later said he wanted to leave because of no champions league etc etc......then yes there loyalty could be questioned, I can't say I blame them for wanting out with the total mess that is going on within the club! The owners showing little ambition with regards a top manager and the reported £30million transfer budget, if I was at a club who I had no emotional ties with and it was being run the way we are at the minute, I would be looking for a club that could give me the chance of winners medals end of story!!

Waro


Waro

Pepe is one of the highest earners at the football club, and vice vice captain if we want to get technical. The minute any player signs a contract for a club they should be promising their loyalty, hard work and honesty in my humble opinion. I for one love Pepe but the fact many fans are not too fussed about him going shows something drastically wrong.
We should have, we bought, one of the best keepers in the world however last season and arguably the season before he was a shadow of himself.

Carlos Tevez is going to be my example here.. complete prat as we all know but every time he steps on that field he gives his all regardless of whether he wishes to play for that team or not, same should go for Pepe, i cannot think of one reason (even the change in keeper coach is not a good enough excuse for me) as to why his performances have dropped so drastically. People may talk about the team but i firmly believe we have one of the best league cb pairings in Agger & Skrtel, our defence was not the downfall of last season but blame for near post shots going in too easily and weak commanding of the box can firmly be placed at the feet of Pepe.

If any player wishes to leave then fine, but don't disrespect the fans and the contract that you have signed by putting in half hearted performances while still collecting your 5 figure wage each week.

SideShowBob


Whilst I agree with the post above by SSBob, I also believe they "owe us" for putting up with their rubbish performances as fans.


Were in my post did I say he should not give his all and that I don't blame him for not giving his all? That's right I didn't, while he is at the club he should try to play to the maximum of his ability and work his socks off just like every other player. For what it's worth I rate Reina as one of the top keppers in the world, yes he hasn't played to well this season but not having decent back up kepper pushing you for your place makes you complaicent that's human nature! A top young kepper who can push him back to his best is what is required!!

Waro


Waro

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant, my point was that regardless of the reasons Pepe may or may not want to go, his performances have been substandard for the past two seasons.. his loyalty to the club should be him performing to the best of his ability on the pitch, anything he thinks or wants off field is irrelevent. The idea of Pepe leaving is sad, I've already stated my affection for him.. I'm not one of these fans who just likes to slate our players but you talk about not blaming him for wanting to leave and question what exactly he owes us.. He's owed us his best performances for the club everytime he's put our shirt on but he hasn't given them. How has he gone from one of the best penalty stoppers, best distributers and powerful commander of his box to the performances we've seen of late?
Quite frankly if Pepe and many other players had given their all and earned there wages instead of the s**te we've seen we wouldn't be in this position. What's the world coming to when our players no longer show passion in their play for the King. If Pepe is no longer happy someone else can happily take his 90k wages off our hands and we'll get someone who looks like they actually want to play for us.

Nuff said :)
SideShowBob


Also your talking about a top young keeper to push him back to his best but we tried that with Kirkland and Dudek and quite frankly it failed.. every club should have a number one keeper who plays week in week out, a number 2 should be there as cover only and if Doni is considered to be not good enough (although i've heard rumours he's back off to Brazil) then he should be replaced but GK's should not be for chopping and changing each week based on form, who the hell wants to see Reina sat on the bench?

SideShowBob


Pepe didn't suddenly become a useless keeper and carra didn't suddenly become slow (he always was). The problem was the lack of protection in front of the back four. Whether this is because of Lucas' injury or Kennys tactics (or both) is for you to decide.

redkenyan


 

 

27 May 2012 13:53:08
Hi EDs/fans

This what I've might not be necessarily true but I thought I'd share it with you guys..

1. Martinez will be staying at Wigan - hence why his doing a press conference at Wigan & not anfield..
He wants full control of footballing matters/ transfers - J W Henry doesn't want that..

2. We have tried a sneaky approach for guardiola & tixi bergistain but doesn't look likely..

3. Louis van gaal dof - Martinez (unlikely ATM but u never know) or Brenden Rogers..

4. The player who has handed in a transfer request is & I don't really blame him - maxi Rodrigues

Cheeriooo dudes/dudets! =)
LFC AZA YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 13:52:21
Afternoon eds and fellow reds .WHAT GONE ON ? Posted this morning about Martinez ,gone to work just come home and pep and skirtel leaving Rodgers going to be new boss van Gaul dof .HELP please clarifiy cheers psv


Go back to work pal more might happen then.

Mighty reds


 

 

27 May 2012 13:50:58
Likely move Joe Cole -> West Ham. Came up from there and they'll be looking for senior prem players. Think Liverpool would get much selling him?


 

 

27 May 2012 13:48:04
Is Liverpool a Poisoned Challice?


Reading these forums today a few people have asked why managers keep turning down the vacant position at such a prestigious club?

i thought about this a bit, in small part is a little bit of dellusional thinking from us, see we still live in 2005 (or even worse some still live in 1988) and we still believe its the same calibre of job that it was 10 years ago.

The truth is it is not the same calibre of job, here's why...

Expectation
------------
We Liverpool fans are a lot like england fans. Every year we expect to win the biggest trophies and compete with the best teams even though in 20 years we have only been competetive twice (for the league title anyway). Its unrealistic and our perception most definitely needs adjustment, slowly this is changing these last few years have knocked us down a bit and made us realise that we are not the force we were.

However though...even with all the issues and bad management (both pitch and board level) come start of the season we still ride a massive red wave of optimism that jesus would think is unrealistic.

Thats just the fans!

Looking at what we offer a prospective manager you would think we offer

1. A club with prestige
2. Great Fans
3. Great Players
4. Chance to win trophies

Really what we offer is

1. A club which not one single manager in 20 years has managed to take to the top.
2. Fans which are short tempered and impatient, with both players managers and owners.
3. A team which lacks motivation and cohesion
4. We struggle to beat even the smallest teams at anfield.

In addition to this any manager will have his hands tied financially due to our operating at a loss and lack of competetive revenue, could be undermined by player power, will get about half a season before fans will become disgruntled.

Maybe its just me but that does not look like an attractive job to me, it looks like an impossible one. We expect because we feel entitled, we believe because we are misguided. What manager could do this job when even a club legend couldnt put humpty dumpty back together with the full backing of the fans and players to begin with?

It would take a manager with seriously thick skin and massive balls to take this job, I even think Jose would turn it down. It explains why even hard nosed managers like Cappello are not interested, and for a young and up and coming manager with potential this could be the best job they ever had...or the last job they ever had. If it doesnt work out, liverpool will carry on, for the manager it could end their career.

So regardless of how you feel about whichever manager comes in, give them a chance because they are taking a much bigger risk than we are and if they take it they are braver than most will give credit for.

Thanks for reading, comments appreciated as always.

Nevada


I also feel the same way......


Good managers will turn down LFC for 1 reason......DOF
Bobbinred


Look Mate it aint that bad!

Yes if you read this forum all the time some of the fans here would give you the impression that what you say is true but its not so.

Kenny would have got the team firing again had he been given another year or two and more cash to spend, what we need is quad with more depth and a striker or two.

Now we are going into the unknown which is always daunting for anyone, fans included.

However with the right manager and a 30-40M spend this summer we can challenge for top 4. Lets hope we get it.

Most agree the club has deteriorated over the last twenty years Kenny was on the right Track but Henry for some reason did'nt want him to continue.

If we get an experienced Manager we can still go forward the only real dark cloud on the horizon is that Henry will Choke the club with over zealous Management structures.

The Anfield Cat Psychic

Please instead of just diagreeing or name calling state your opinion in a constructiuve way. When you name call or condescend you just look stupid to intelligent life.


Every european club operates with a DOF or Technical Director Bobbinred, that wont put off managers at all.

I dont know why everyon hates the idea so much, Madrid are the most successful club in european history and operate with one, Barca have one, Milan have one, Bayern have one. It's just england where we dont.

In response to anfield cat psychic, I dont think that JWH has got to be a billionaire by being over zealous with management structures, I wasnt being negative just exploring the reason why so many have turned us down.

It was intended mainly to help cut some slack to which ever manager ends up being in charge and to enlighten people as to just how tough a job this will be.

Thanks for comments all.

Nevada {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have a DoF.}


Anfield Cat - your constant references to Kenny just proves Nevada's point.

As soon as the new manager loses 2 in a row the Kenny brigade will be on his back. Then after they have shouted themselves hoarse, the Rafa brigade will take over.

So predictable it is almost depressing.


I'll follow liverpool through this storm, and as many other storms that may come... YNWA understand what it means.

Phooey


 

 

27 May 2012 13:40:51
Hi eds, think liverpool should appoint a new manager asap! Martinez and AVB seem most realistic.. Futures of reina skrtl johnsen and suarez should be sorted as soon as new manager and DOF arrives! Think krul and lovren can replace reina and skrtl respectivly but would be difficult to replace johnsen or suarez with players who are just as good or better! Would also like to see avellay,sturridge and a good CM to play with lucas and gerrard in a 4-3-3 formation! Thanx.

YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 13:18:32
On a break in work and have just read Dave Kidd's column in the People, could not have put it better myself! Absolutly bang on the money! Would urge fellow reds too check it out if you get the chance.

Waro


 

 

27 May 2012 13:11:41
I think things are starting to fall into place in my mind
Louis Van Gaal was Mourinho's mentor at Barca.
Brendan Rodgers was under Mourinho's wing at Chelsea.
Could it be that Van Gaal is already onboard, has been doing his homework on potential candidates, maybe sounding out his old mate Jose (who apparently raves about Rodgers abilities), and feels he and Rodgers would be a good fit?
It's just a hunch, but I think we've got our men and I like the sound of it.

Mick D


Exactly what I think
Bean


I couldn't give a bean what you think.

Mighty reds


 

 

27 May 2012 13:08:51
Brendan Rodgers - manager
Louis van gaal - dof
Wouldn't surprise me
Bean


Sensible hunch, Van Gaal seems to be in talks, LFC talking to experts - Fits.
Rodgers "declined" interview, however the process chosen by FSG is interviews, so if he failed but had gone public, the supporters of Swansea would not be happy. So he keeps it hush hush and a sneaky move to LFC - Fits.
NOT saying it WILL happen, just possible.
Bazzaa


 

 

27 May 2012 13:04:22
press conference on Tuesday where Roberto Martinez announces his plans

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2150545/Roberto-Martinez-favourite-Liverpool-job-reveal-future-Tuesday-Wigan-press-conference.html

If this happens as reported, and given it's to be at Wigan...does this not indicate that Martinez will stay at Wigan?

I don't believe Martinez has had an offer...I suspect he was 'sounded out' and apprised of the proposed structure alone. Given there was no offer he will now 'manage' this from his Wigan perspective - saving face in front of the Wigan fans.

Sid


 

 

27 May 2012 13:01:30
Alright guys, with this press conference thing, does it say RM to hold one from the DW, or does it say Wigan ? Sorry cant check I'm out, cheers guys

G BOX


Dw but seems a bit weird if he announces he is our manager at Wigans stadium doesnt it?
Think we will announce someone today,tomorrow or before Martinez' presser on tues


What's Martinez presser? Sounds a bit kinky.

Mighty reds


 

 

27 May 2012 12:48:42
any idea why soldado is not in the spanish squad?

Kaizer


He played yesterday? Maybe got injured if he ain't in squad.
skurks


It would have nothing to do with him coming to liverpool
AnfieldUSA


 

 

27 May 2012 12:37:12
if the rumours are true about
1. martinez getting the managers job
2. Reina wanting to leave
would martinez bring al habsi. past couple seasons he has been main reason keeping wigan up, and do you think he would be an adequate replacement?
Aggerdo


 

 

27 May 2012 12:41:36
Can anyone substantiate the Van Gaal rumours with quotes or legitimate sources besides mere speculation? I can't find anything that says he will be here in some capacity next season...
Also if Reina were to leave (I doubt he would and his form has only been off since Achteburg replaced Valero as GK coach) we should perhaps go for Igor Akinfeev of CSKA, although that is of course dependent on too many factors to put into a post

NextGenRed


 

 

27 May 2012 12:25:41
Breaking news @ van gal will be our new manager. Fsg agreed to appoint him as manager... Martinez will b joining Villa for sure then. Wondering why don't we go for Rafa rather then van gal.. I really don't like him.. He is old fashions manager same as king Kenny..


Where do u get ur info from daydreamer?

ACHILLES.


 

 

27 May 2012 12:24:01
Hi eds, think liverpool should appoint a new manager asap! Martinez and AVB seem most realistic.. Futures of reina skrtl johnsen and suarez should be sorted as soon as new manager and DOF arrives! Think krul and lovren can replace reina and skrtl respectivly but would be difficult to replace johnsen or suarez with players who are just as good or better! Would also like to see avellay,sturridge and a good CM to play with lucas and gerrard in a 4-3-3 formation! Thanx.

YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 11:55:41
Bless their little socks, the incessant Rafa brigade, They are just like a bunch of termites, nibbling away hoping for all resistance to crumble.

Don't you just love the way all their posts try to pretend to analyse the current situation at the club until low and behold they give the game away, "which brings me to", "leaving only one man", "there is someone available who loves the club", "for me there is only one logical choice", "the best man for the job", please no i just can't take it anymore.


Your been just as silly


Rafa is a world class manager and we would be VERY lucky to get him

Tel 1949


Just like Inter were lucky to get him?


Haha great OP


 

 

27 May 2012 12:19:17
Hi eds, think liverpool should appoint a new manager asap! Martinez and AVB seem most realistic.. Futures of reina skrtl johnsen and suarez should be new boss 1ste task! Think krul and lovren can replace reina and skrtl respectivly but would be difficult to replace johnsen or suarez with players who are just as good or better! Would also like to see avellay,sturridge and a good CM to play with lucas and gerrard in a 4-3-3 formation! Thanx. YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 12:07:41
Surely if Martinez was too accept the job Liverpool would be doing the press conference not Wigan, says to me he will turn it down, what eds think??
Fowlerisgod


Im thinking exactly the same as you. If the owners are keeping this whole process completely under wraps the last thing they will want is for news to get out begore making an announcement to our fans.


 

 

27 May 2012 11:54:32
Although I think FSG may have a surprise up their sleeve, the more I think about it the more Martinez could be a fantastic addition to Liverpool.

All the point, for and against have already been raised on the site but if the fans get behind him an show the true spirit of Liverpool we can all look forward as appose to backward constantly.

Although I think FSG could have handled the situation with Kenny a whole lot differently it was always going to be difficult to manage. I do however think the criticism the are getting for the management of finding his replacement is unfair. One of the "past" trends we do wish to retain is doing our business behind closed doors.


Finally DW is obviously entitled to his opinion, after all his fans will want updating on the situation but given the public support he has given RM you would think that he would ease up on the "mind games" he is employing against RM.
Lee


 

 

27 May 2012 11:52:05
Ed, do you think van Gael has a chance to be our next manager? And what kind of football does his teams play?
Thanks podge {Ed002's Note - I am steering clear of the subject, sorry.}


 

 

27 May 2012 11:34:06
Have I been banned, you don't have to post this if I have, you can just email me. Could you explain why because I love the site and I really wanna know what I've done wrong
{Ed002's Note - We have no idea who you are. You seemingly don't sign your posts.}


Ooooooohhhh now that is really embarrassing , not only had they not fallen out with you they had no idea who you were oooopsie


 

 

27 May 2012 11:31:48
Where's that Daniel Hanwell bloke he is pretty useless with his info or is it actually Geri Halliwell?

Also I have not seen the spearo report for ages. God I miss them days.

Mighty red


The spearing report! Ha! That was brill, I can't wait for them, please give us one ASAP!

G BOX


Yeah where is Walter Mitty, I mean Daniel?

Chris in Tamworth


Do you know who I miss? **e***** who would provide us with great information.

Jolly Red


 

 

27 May 2012 11:28:55
eds. do you no when the new away and 3rd kits will be released mate cheers. {Ed002's Note - No idea, try the club website or possibly Warrior website.}


I think the away kit is released next week

GuvTOB


 

 

27 May 2012 11:16:23
If this about the Transfer Request is true then we move on as we have done so many times before, if it's Skrtel then we take the £20m or so we're rumoured to value him at and go out and buy Benedikt Höwedes of Schalke and we'll probs have some of that left over too. If it's Reina then I'd sell, been dodgy for two years now and a young keeper like Tim Krul would be perfect.


Howedes is linked with Bayern,,,


So newcastle can hold us to ransom again they will want 20 million which we will pay they weill spend the money wisely and be even stronger next year im sure their is loads of good keepers abroad for less


Vorm is better than Krul.
Skurks


 

 

27 May 2012 10:58:07
manager- louis van gaal
assistant- rodolfo borrel
director of football-txiri bergristain
simple as, they can all be persuaded
plus all barcelona fans love liverpool fans.
trust me


Please please please let this be true have you heard this or just a hunch


 

 

27 May 2012 10:58:00
Ed seriously how can people keep, linking us up with so many players and all when we don't even have a manager or sporting director... Surely when someone will get appointed it will be his choice to bring whoever he wants to the club... Soo I reckon people should stop fantasizing on stupid players and get real, have a look at who's gonna be our new manager and then talk about what player they want to see at the club.. Anyway eds u do a great job, keep it up, love the website apart from the geeks who thinks they know everything.lol cheers.

Adrien...


Adrien iv heard we will be signing messi apperently the tea lady is doing the negotiations he wasn,t sure but as soon as he tried one of her earl grays that won him over


 

 

27 May 2012 10:56:09
Heard a rumour today:
Van Gaal - DoF
Rijkaard - Manager.

The Quaggar


I also heard a rumour, cost of living due to rise.
robbie


 

 

27 May 2012 10:49:57
From Wigan Athletic Facebook page:

***BREAKING NEWS*** ROBERTO MARTINEZ WILL BE HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE ON TUESDAY - HE INTENDS TOO CLARIFY HIS POSITION AND INFORM THE FOOTBALLING WORLD WHETHER HE IS STAYING AT WIGAN OR LEAVING TO MANAGE LIVERPOOL - THE LIVERPOOL OWNERS HAVE TABLED AN OFFER


 

 

27 May 2012 10:47:38
Okay if reina decides to leave its not the end of the world, look at manchester united; they brought a young keeper who in time will become great. In my opinion we need to do the same and theres only one person that ticks all the boxes "Marc-André ter Stegen" whats your 2 pence on this eds. {Ed001's Note - never seen him play.}


Fantasic keaper I mentioned him a while back but I don't think reina will leave (unless he wants to)he just needs a new coach.

Square tomato


 

 

27 May 2012 10:45:56
Bremdan rodgers is now favourite for the liverpool after mega money gas been put on him hes went from 20/1 friday noght to now 4/6 u dont see money like that for nothing strange...


 

 

27 May 2012 10:41:01
Vibes coming from wigan are martinez will turn down the offer from Liverpool.he won't get the full control he wants.whether things change in the next few days remain to be seen. Andy mac


 

 

27 May 2012 10:40:10
Hey EDS im sure I read somewhere hulk has agreed personal terms with Chelsea but they have not yet agreed a fee. I thought u could only discuss personal terms when a fee was agreed ? Thanks

Mcooke99 {Ed001's Note - no, you can only agree personal terms when the team gives you permission to talk to the player. It doesn't have to be after a fee is agreed.}


 

 

27 May 2012 10:40:00
The Star is reporting that AVB believes there has been a revolt by the supporters against his appointment. He doesn't believe he will get the job.
He should have read these pages. Lots of negative comments about Martinez and Rodgers.


I dont know where the revolt come from reading various site more people were for avb than martinez


 

 

27 May 2012 10:37:16
Eds, do you think Jordan Rhodes could cut it in the premiership and if so, do you think he could be a great addition the Anfield squad? {Ed001's Note - not yet and no, not even close to good enough right now.}


Never had the guts to take one of the first five pens yesterday. took the sixth . not good enough


Jesus we want to hang the owners for approaching a manager in the lower part of the league, what would happen if we went to league 1/championship !

G BOX


Ian rush never liked to take penalties, did that make him a bad player?
robbie


Ricky Lambert anyone?


 

 

27 May 2012 10:32:35
Jurgen Klopp will be named as Liverpool Manager tomorrow.


Wishfull thinking that is mate.but i agree would be really good.


Jurgen Klopp would be fantastic!


I wish
AnfieldUSA


 

 

27 May 2012 10:05:28
Hey Macca,

You said , They really wanted Klopp if he can be persuaded...does this mean Klopp is open to the idea in some shape or form?

Thanks

Thatracoonstolemybacon


Klopp will be Dortmund manager next year according to the club.

They are currently persuading Kagawa to stick there instead of going to united and their selling point to him is that Klopp will still be manager next year.

Nevada


 

 

27 May 2012 10:02:27
with newspaper reports saying martinez is gonna hold a press conference at wigan on tuesday, surely it means he's staying. eds, anyone feel maybe van gaal may be offered the managers job?


Exactly what I was thinking, why would he hold a press conference at the DW and not at Anfield or let the owners break the news first?
RikintWirral


Could it be that he's resigning from Wigan? Wouldn't you like to think that an outgoing manager might like to thank his present club and fans, before it was announced that he's taking over at another club? Just a thought, but its by far a foregone conclusion that he's staying at Wigan
YWNA


 

 

27 May 2012 09:55:37
hi ed' if the club like liverpool is going to appoint someone the likes off martinez or rogders this not a bright future for a club like liverpool , i agree with john barnes this could be a worst then more & more years to come not winning something i mean the premier league and how about to bring some word class .these americans are the same that liverpool had before or they gona bring in a world class maneger then after some world class players or liverpool club be like wigan fight from 10 place to relegation zone i'm sure off this is beter they sell the club to a someone from the far east the likes of (DIC) like moores had to do so even parry it was in this mess these two i thing that who support this club never forget what these two done give the club to the americans .YNWA. {Ed002's Note - DIC is from the Middle East and effectively went bust with about £2B in debts which they are still restructuring.}


Barnes is a playing legend, but tbh, how far did his wide ranging knowledge of football get him when he got the chance to manage?

Red4Ever


 

 

27 May 2012 09:44:37
Hi ed's/macca

Obviously atm no one can get any info other than from Dave Whelan but realistically in your opinion who do you think will get it, great work as always

Cheers

Greg.


 

 

27 May 2012 09:43:19
Ed

Any further news on the DOF position. Bergistien seemed to have gone quiet.

Jonesred {Ed002's Note - Nothing right now.}


 

 

27 May 2012 09:42:24
The reason I'm afraid of martinez being manager because it makes me feel like Roy Hodgson is in charge! England were AWFUL yesterday yet Roy managed to praise the team! Its was possibly thenmost boring game, in skilful match I have ever witnessed, and quite frankly Norway deserved something from that game! A manager needs to discipline his players accordingly and play football and not try to takes positives from every game when every single fan thought and know england were amazingly bad!


That's a ridiculous thing to say to be quite honest, Hodgeson and Martinez play completely different styles of football.. you would have only needed to have watched 1 game from each of their teams last season to know that...

Also Martinez is a young unproven manager who we can only applaud for the jobs he has done at swansea and wigan (regardless of our concerns about whether or not he is a 'big enough name). Roy Hodgeson on the other hand is a much older experienced manager who can i just add has manager Inter Milan before, as well as many other European and National sides. Please do not tar two completely different managers with the same brush simply because they've managed clubs in the bottom half of the table.

SideShowBob


Under Hodgson, we would go to Fulham or Sunderland hoping for a draw.

Under Martinez, Wigan would go to Old Trafford or Anfield hoping to win.

Totally different mentality.


 

 

27 May 2012 09:37:20
martinez will not be the manager due to not having full controll of the club thats exactly wot he will announce on tuesday van gaal will be d,o,f .
i do think there will b a big suprise about the new manager (not pep) but some one right off the radar who always work with a d,o,f......


May be the new manager will not come in untill the season tickets are sold? hope it is not a usa coach.


 

 

27 May 2012 09:33:24
Martinez expected to announce on Tuesday he is staying at Wigan. Rodgers will also confirm he is staying at Swansea. If these managers are turning down Liverpool it shows something is seriously wrong with the selection process & structure we aim to employ


Who say's that they have been actually offered the job?

Dav001


I think martinez would be a great Liverpool manager. Let's hope he takes it.

Mighty reds


Wigan Athletic FC are holding the press conference. Not Roberto Martinez on his own.


If these managers are turning down the job doesn't that mean something is wrong with the club?


 

 

27 May 2012 09:24:19
Do Liverpool, have any interest in signing di matteo has manager ?


Thanks


 

 

27 May 2012 09:19:54
Hi eds or macca

I take it you have seen the latest on sky sports, that Martinez, is going to hold a press conference on Tuesday, to tell everyone if he is going to Liverpool or not...that being said, I thought we hadnt offered him anything and we was still talking to other candidates?

Can you shed any more light onto this?

Cheers

Ray


 

 

27 May 2012 09:14:41
hi eds,come on are lfc sort it out,we need too get a gaffa in the hot seat as asap.so then we can start too move player's in and out,and give the new gaffa time.cos if we leave it too late it will be like roy all over again,an just like roy got,he the new gaffa will get no time too change it and have too go with what with got,so come on lfc let's get it done,walk on,jay essex red for life red till dead.....................


 

 

27 May 2012 09:05:46
Reina has not put in a transfer request as far as I am aware.

Of course he had a bad season and is now in his 30's if we can receive a good offer FSG would be more than willingly to sell out & buy a good young replacement. The same goes for Skrtel, a defender in his prime who could fetch good money.

On LVG, great manager and achieved lots of honors but he has this bad side of him which have been his downfall over the years. People say Rafa has his political side of him believe me this guy is no match for Rafa. Even if appointed as manager or DOF/Sporting Director I don't expect him to remain long. For me he is not the man.

Armando


I disagree Armando. What has been a major issue over the last few years at LFC. Noted by ed001, myself and a couple of others...player power.

I can tell you now that as long as JWH is in Van Gaals corner there will be no player power under his watch, I suspect that may be the reason why he is being considered for a role. LVG has a very fearsome reputation for discipline and control and I dont think that would be bad for us right now.

Nevada


Reins is 29!

Sjb76


Gerrard is not that Star anymore, Pep lost his touch, Carra is on his last year may be. so LVG is right choice we no need player power we need a team togather.


You need to look at why gerrard, reina and skrtel did not play v swansea.


Gerrard was injured for that game (back problem) no conspiracy theory needed


Good call Nevada. Trouble is we let certain players get too big for their boots after Istanbul. Rafa tried to do something about the problem but feared a backlash from the fans. Now we pay one more twice the money to warm the bench then we do our player of the year. Its wrong mate and we wont move on while certain players have to be consulted about everything the club does and every appointment approved. Pepe takes no sh*t in the dressing room and doesn't really rate one of these legends as a much of a footballer, so don't expect him to be here too long and this will just roll on
Harry Cat


 

 

27 May 2012 08:59:43
A Few Points To Make....

Over the last day or so we have seen a lot of conjecture about a lot of things at the club, I thought I'd post about a couple of them.

Managerial Contracts
--------------------
Over the last couple of days I started thinking about managerial contracts and how much money they cost clubs. Think about AVB for chelsea, money to break him out of his porto contract, then money to break him out of his chelsea contract. Rafa's big payday when he was fired. These are just two examples. When you really consider what a long managerial contract offers, it gives most to the manager since they are the only ones who benefit from a sacking.

Yes I know that its there to protect a team from manager poaching and give compensation when they do, but lets be honest when weighed up against the benefit for the manager when firing its not significant enough to warrant it. Look at the two most successful managers (throw Di Matteo in too if you want) of the last 5-7 years. Mourinho and Guardiola, both had rolling contracts (guardiola with Barca, Mourinho with Inter then Madrid). Why would two managers with a proven track record of success request such a thing? Here's why. They can leave when they want and they have no fear of being fired. Long contracts are for managers with a fear that they may be fired, they claim it gives them job security. Mourinho and Pep dont need it because they know that they will be offered a contract because they will be successful.

If a manager is truly as good as he believes he is, he will have no issue with a one year rolling contract. This is beneficial for both parties, team gets to re-evaluate the manager every year without having to worry about sacking compensation, and the manager gets to re-negotiate his wages every year. If he is successful then he has nothing to worry about. I've never been a fan of long contracts myself just looking at our club the times when a manager has been at the end of his contract have been excellent seasons and then once they are given their long contract they bomb, Rafa finished second in the year when his contract was up and then had a major meltdown once he had been given his 5 year contract. Rolling contracts - the way forward.

Recent Information
------------------

I've had been talking to some of my friends in various corners trying to get some information, I'll share what I got. It's not really that positive I'm afriad.

1. Kagawa and Klopp - My friend in the japanese media, who is very close to a number of the national squad, has said again that Kagawa is only going to do one of two things 1. Stay at Dortmund and re-negotiate his contract. Or 2. Go to Utd. I said this during the last transfer window when everyone was sure he would leave dortmund and was proven right and I'm sure I will be again.
As for Klopp he is going to stay at Dortmund, this info actually came from Kagawa who was told that Klopp would be staying when the notion of contract re-negotiation came up.

2. Fiorentina - I know the eds may disagree with me here, but I was told around march time by someone in the Fiorentina hiearchy that they would not be doing business with LFC for the foreseeable future over a broken promise about Aqua. My friend there still thinks this is the case so I would hold your breath over transfer to or from Fiorentina at the moment.

3. Suarez - I have no sources at Palermo and never get much from Juve these days but I can tell you that Juve are not as optimistic about signing Suarez as they were 4 months ago. The feeling is that Suarez will only leave LFC if forced out. As such they will be looking at Dzeko instead. I dont think they will be going for Ramirez anymore either as Conte is insistent he doesnt need him.

4. Reina - I dont know if he wants to leave or not, but I do know that Milan are interested. They will not pay a penny over 10m for him though and will cite poor recent performance as reasons for this. The real reason though is that Berlusconi is being tight with money these days (as I said when I predicted Tevez would not be joining) and has even refused to re-negotiate the contracts of some of the clubs best players.

5. Carroll - Some of you may remember that I posted the opinion of a very well respected former Italy international regarding Carroll not too long ago. I thought it would be a nice positive thing to end on by saying that the same person recently said to me

"I'm very happy to be correct about him (Carroll) and more people are starting to notice."

for those that didnt see the original post it was praise for Carroll from none other than Roberto Baggio.

Thats all I got today, thanks for reading and comments appreciated as always.

Nevada


Forgot to say in my bit about Milan that they are saying poor training and weight issues are the reason for not buying aqua but the real reason is that he was always meant to be a stop gap for Montolivo, who I did say when rumoured with arsenal would sign with Milan when his contract is up.

Nevada


An excellent point about contracts but i suspect managers see it differently. In case things go wrong out of their control. Its also an easy way to make a few million if you dont succeed. Sad really- i think there should be a performance clause and if they dont do the job they were brought in to do (live up to expextations) then they should recieve far less compensation when sacked. Never gonna happen tho.
Jason


Nice one Nevada hope we get things sorted soon!

Square tomato


Thanks or the comments everyone. Always appreciated.

Nevada


 

 

27 May 2012 08:31:17
Apparently Martinez to hold press conference on Tuesday to reveal his future. I think it's all been a bit strange and I wouldn't think he would hold a Wigan press conference to tell them all he's leaving. Also I think Whelan has been over exaggerating how much of a front runner Martinez is. What do you think Eds? Also what's with Rogers odds almost same as Martinez?


 

 

27 May 2012 08:20:07
My feeling is that if Martinez is unilaterally holding a press conference at Wigan on Tuesday, as is being reported, it can only be to announce he won't be taking the Liverpool job.
Surely the owners would want to make the announcement if it were to be that he'd got the job

Chris in Tamworth


Agree with you there Chris. If it were an announcement of appointment then I'm sure the PR conscious FSG would not let someone else announce it.

V.Gaal has recently said he will definitely be at the LFC in some capacity next year but not stated what yet so perhaps he may the manager? Hope its not Rodgers I think martinez is a better manager and rodgers is getting all the credit for a swansea team which were already playing that style of football before he got there...instilled by Martinez.

Nevada


Also, why would he hold a PC at wigan if he were to take the liverpool job, just doesnt make sense


Where does it say there's a press-conference tomorrow?
Not being funny but didn't Whelan say he wanted a decision by June 5th and now he's saying Tuesday?
Seems to me that the Mighty Wigan's chairman's milking the situation for all it's worth.
ANFIELDPETE


Nevada can you tell me where van Gaal said that mate?

Square tomato


 

 

27 May 2012 08:02:12
Hey Ed'sis there a chance of van gaal getting the managers job ? the man wants to be the manager and he's a brilliant coach , he demands success , martinez is a good coach but he could fail like hodgson.


 

 

27 May 2012 07:59:19
Judging by Gerrards words yesterday it looks like Martinez folks. I don't understand the choice due to lack of experience at any big clubs. Still, things could change. Rafa would be better. Bielsa and klopp would be great too

Gazman


Looks like he is taking a baby step to LFC before moving to a big club. Makes sense for both parties


Gazman, Gerrard simply gave the answer he would give no matter who the reporter suggested would get the job.
Reporter : what do you make of reports that Gazman will be your manager at LFC next season ?
SG : If that's the case then he will have my full support. He's a highly regarded coach.
Input any name in place of Martinez, Gazman, Klopp, Rodgers etc and you would get the same answer from any player.


 

 

27 May 2012 07:58:29
Morning eds Martinez to do Peres conference on Tuesday .so 48 hours we will know. Cheers psv


Peres conference? Is that a Spanish thing?

Sjb76


 

 

27 May 2012 07:19:35
Chennai super kings Vs Kolkatta knight riders.. IPL Final today !! Whom are yu supporting !!


.. CSK( chennai super kings) all the way!
balaji raman


K K R all the way.


 

 

27 May 2012 07:06:04
Hav liverpool offered d role of football director to Louis van gaal and has he accepted it ?


He has said he will be here next year, but not said in what capacity yet.


 

 

27 May 2012 07:03:46
Roberto Martinez is holding a press conference tomorrow at Wigan! Surly that means he's stayin!!

Thank god


 

 

27 May 2012 06:08:09
The Sunday Papers (Mail, Mirror and Star) are all reporting that Martinez will give his decision on Tuesday.....It's apparently a straight fight between us and Villa.
Dave Whelan seems to have a lot to say for himself, including the fact that Martinez has been offered a contract at Liverpool (something we are denying).
One of the papers also says we are still keen on Brendan Rogers and at least two still have us linked with Van Gaal as DoF.
Basically, the rags know nothing more than we already knew (or were LED to believe) and I wouldn't be surprised if another name emerged onto the scene for the manager's post.
Martinez, apparently, wants Benitez-style total control so I can't see him working with Van Gaal !
Anyway, that's a quick summary of what the papers are saying.........have a nice day Red-Men.
ANFIELDPETE


Cheers pete i never buy a paper but if i did that would have saved me the money and in a lot less time than it would have took me to read them then wonder why i wasted my time lol
giblet


 

 

27 May 2012 04:36:37
We should accept that some players may want to leave, and to be fair who could blame them for wanting to move.
There is a lot of uncertainty around the club, still no manager appointed.
The stadium issue just goes on and on, with no conclusion in sight.
We are not likely to play in the Champs league for some time yet.
The long term strategy of LFC has not been made clear by FSG.
Certain players are fast approaching their final 4/5/6 years in foootball.
The crisis at the club continues.

Now, if this was 'you' and LFC was the company that employed you, and given all that has happened/is happening, and you had a chance to move, I am sure you would consider it.

I am reminded of a saying "If you want loyalty, buy a dog, but I work for money!".

Nuff said.


No mention of these players having a look at themselves and there shocking attitude and performance over the last three years.


 

 

27 May 2012 03:34:02
has anyone else noticed this obsession with going back to the past that some people have on this site , bring back rafa , torres , dalglish, riise etc, this in my opinion is why we are as a club lagging behind others in the league we have to move on and make history not wallow in what we achieved in the 60s , 70s and 80s , its holding us back because we have not been at the top off the game for like 22 years barring the odd good season like 96-97 , 01-02 and 08-09 that's 3 years out off 22 that liverpool have challenged for the league simply not good enough and we have to be honest with that fact , so we need to start again and build a new history so i would back the owners in whatever they decide is best for the club to take us forward because we have been going backwards for over two decades , so let them bring in people with no connections to the club because they will have no preconcieved ideas about the club as they are coming in from outside , lets be honest for a club like liverpool not to have won the league in over 20 years is quiet frankly a disgrace , can you imagine real, barca , juve, ac or inter not winning the league for that length of time , yet we compare ourselves to them as "fellow big clubs" , its time for a fresh start from top to bottom in the club because it is the only way we are going to move forward and that is what FSG are doing , so i wish them well in their plan and will support them in doing it as its what we need because we have been miss managed from top to bottom for to long now so time for change !!!!


It's cos manutd brought back scholes:((
Drives me round the bend all this bringing every dude!!
kidmillions


Although i dont think their would be any complaints if we brought back alonso


 

 

27 May 2012 03:13:36
Does anyone actually care if Pepe leaves, woefull last season.


Wouldn't been surprised if he is getting sold..


 

 

27 May 2012 03:13:29
guys not some much a rumour but just an observarion based on my own opions as a fan, i believe the club is very much at a crossroads atm, given the departure of KK,{ personally i believe he should have been given 1 more season} and the current debate around how should take over the reigns. i have to confess that i feel martinez neither qualified or poscessing the standing in the game to be able to move us foward or attract the quality we need to make a impact on the top 4, { Pep would be the obvious choice here, but the reality is that it won't happen} which brings me to Rafa, here is a manager with experince of winning leagues {Valencia} and winning European competion {Valencia and LFC}. This in its self should strenthen both the clubs postion to attrach players but also are chances of a higher league finish next season { acumilated the same points tally as this seasons winners when we finished 2nd} i know he isn't everyones cup of tea but given the FACTS and what or other options appear to be surely he would be our best choice?

philly


What about Louis Van Gaal?? We can't keep dipping into the past, it doesn't do anyone any good. The club needs to move forward.


Rafa's had his chance! there's no going back.
Pep would want a massive budget and some of our good players might develop an inferiority complex playing under him..So no thanks.
kidmillions


 

 

27 May 2012 03:04:28
So guys,

If the owners really wanted Martinez they would have finalised the deal long ago, but they haven't for some reason.

They really want someone who previously rejected us and try to persuade him now.
That's why the process is taking that long.

Cheers

Phil


 

 

27 May 2012 02:30:45
tell me eds why does everyone rate matinez as a manager........wigan got 15th and there squad isnt to bad i think we would do better under the ruling of AVB
YNWA


 

 

27 May 2012 01:57:27
Macca, do you have any information regarding Louis Van Gaal for the DOF job?


 

 

27 May 2012 01:04:34
I dont understand why some ppl calling for benitez, bring bk owen on free try bringing bk riise, its ridiculous the old isnt workin for us wer gettin new manager wit new ideas an we will get fresh faces join our magnificent club lets not dwell on the old but relish the new. We are liverpool fc one of the greatest an most respected clubs in world we shouldnt take backward steps we shud thrive on challenge of making this club as great as it was.


At last someone talking sense!


So you wouldnt want alonso back then


 

 

27 May 2012 00:28:41
Van Gaal please.

Also supposedly Louis Van Gaal met with Ian Ayre in Portugal on Thursday and wants to install Frans Hoek (Reina's GK coach when he was at Barca)

Bear in mind this is off someone on Twitter so obviously needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, but anything like this gives me hope haha.

JP


 

 

27 May 2012 00:21:45
The worst thing we could.do is apppint van gaal as dof with martinez or avb as manager. It will be woy and kk all over again, a string of bad results will cause fans to be calling for van gaal to be manager. Either give him the manager job or nothing at all. Jayo


 

 

27 May 2012 00:12:26
If martinez is the manager give him some time we have tried short term improvements it dosent work give the new manager time and money and let him get on with it... rome wasnt built in a day!


 

 

27 May 2012 00:04:32
Bobbinred / Utd make huge profits after the interest has already been paid out. Without debt the club would make over 100 million in pretax profits every year. Besides if someone/consortium was to buy Utd outright, there wouldn't be a debt, therefore no interest to pay out. Man Utd are still making profits, paying down debt and improving their squad whilst paying 40 million a year in interest. We could never get close to being where Utd are.


 

 

27 May 2012 00:00:21
I think whats happening is that AVB was approach by LFC owners early and asked for time to think about the job as he had an offer from Roma already :

'I'm in no rush and currently choosing the right project'

I still think he is in contention however the owners are interviewing all other candidates first



barnes jnr 777


 

 

 
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