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27 May 2014 22:58:12
What's happening with Mendez? Free in the summer.
And while we are looking for another keeper have we looked at pontillimon? Another free agent
{Ed002's Note - The last I heard was Inter and Lecce are actively trying to figure something out for Mendez - but certainly not free.
Liverpool has shown no interest in Pantilimon.}
27 May 2014 22:29:29
Eds has Liverpool and Bayern Munich discussed the transfer of Shaqiri or have we only expressed an interest in the player but not yet acted on this interest?
cheers
{Ed002's Note - See an earlier answer.}
27 May 2014 22:02:45
Eds, has a bid been made for emre can or is it just interest
{Ed002's Note - See an earlier answer please.}
27 May 2014 22:09:16
Guardian reporting of course that spurs now want lallana as there no1 target, I'd like him but I'd never pay 30m, what has he done to command a fee like that? He's had one good season, I think it's been proven buying any English players for high fees is a waist of time.
I'd never get in a bidding war with spurs over him really not worth it.
{Ed001's Note - Lallana has been excellent for years mate, far from having just one good season.}
I think he would be a great player In our formation playing on the left of the diamond, that would suit him to a tee.
But you would be happy with us spending 30m?
27 May 2014 23:11:46
The question is this a position that spurs r weak in imo they need a few defenders a couple of strikers midfield isn't too bad, but then all new managers want their own players they trust with them.
There were shouts for us to sign him about 3 years ago from people on this site. At the time I wrote it off as the "the grass is always greener over there" crew but he really is a good player.
He ain`t worth 30m tho. If we have 30m to spend on a player, might as well try to get Sanchez who is just as versatile, far better and more experienced in the CL and the WC than Lallana is. Better bang for your buck IMO.
Wouldn't he want guaranteed champs league if he was to leave his beloved Southampton? I know he likes pochettinho but he's only known him 18 months, if he's going to leave you would think an 18 month friendship wouldn't be that important as spurs are very much a sideways step for him.
He ain`t worth 30m tho. If we have 30m to spend on a player, might as well try to get Sanchez who is just as versatile, far better and more experienced in the CL and the WC than Lallana is. Better bang for your buck IMO.
Wouldn't he want guaranteed champs league if he was to leave his beloved Southampton? I know he likes pochettinho but he's only known him 18 months, if he's going to leave you would think an 18 month friendship wouldn't be that important as spurs are very much a sideways step for him.
27 May 2014 22:03:30
I think that should lallana arrive that he will take coutinho's place in the team. Coutinho is very inconsistant & has a very poor work rate take palace's second goal to understand what i'm talking about & goes missing in the big games. Lallana has everything in his game to replace coutinho + his work ethic is excellent. Lallana + good left back & centre back wpuld help us move forward next year even if we don't get a wide forward or replace lucas & mingolet imo
Actually coutinho is great in big games . Everton arsenal city he was brilliant . 20 years old . He works hard . he's only mistake at palace was not to take a yellow for the team . Plus rogers made the mistakes at palace . He should have seen the game out . I would not be toi critical of a 20 yr old . He will be a brilliant player, he's getting there . Consistency he needs .
Coutinho will most likely be sold for a very handsome profit once he reaches his full potential. Hopefully he will have picked up a few medals before he leaves, but it will be a great move for us. I am tipping him for a 40m fee min. when he is 25.
Coutinho isn`t going anyhere. Kid`s only been here 18 months and some already want him gone. Pathetic, really. He`s 22 for God`s sake and still learning just like Sterling and Hendo and is already an integral part of what we do. And if there`s anything to be learnt about him, he never hides in the big games. In fact, he is a big game player.
Coutinho isn`t going anyhere. Kid`s only been here 18 months and some already want him gone. Pathetic, really. He`s 22 for God`s sake and still learning just like Sterling and Hendo and is already an integral part of what we do. And if there`s anything to be learnt about him, he never hides in the big games. In fact, he is a big game player.
I am amazed people here don't think Coutinho isn't good enough.
27 May 2014 20:27:23
Edd001, seen much of shaquiri? Do you rate him? I seen him play a few times for basel and his pace and.control were excellent. The only thing I would note is that he's very small.
{Ed001's Note - he looked good back then, but I have not seen him play since. Not really impressed with his end product though, he always seemed to be very hit and miss back then. I would only want us to sign him if he has improved that part of his game massively.}
His stats are about 1 goal per 4 matches.
Can't say I have scouted him or whatever but seen him play a handful of times and he's always looked quite decent. He would slot into our team quite well I think.
27 May 2014 21:32:33
Eds fellow reds, so spuds have there man, how many Southampton players will he take with him . Lallana, lovern defo as spuds always take the player we are after, the only thing is they always turn out rubbish for spuds .
{Ed002's Note - You want the Southampton or Spurs page for this.}
27 May 2014 20:56:48
Sakho is currently captaining France against Norway. Not bad for someone who many on here think isn't good enough.
Thought he had a great game too as well as the rest of the side, despite Norway clearly not being the best of opposition. Apparently Lloris is going to captain them at the WC though.
If the French and Deschamps are good at one thing, it is how to build a team with a well-drilled defence and Sakho is a big part of that because he and the coach have and understanding. A far cry from playing w/ defenders who seem to not care how to defend. playing with Varane or Koscielny w/ Pogba and Matuidi holding in midfield looks really good, I must say.
27 May 2014 20:54:50
Is it true Adam Lallana is having a medical?
{Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}
No Ed. I read some report (Cannot remember the site) that there was a medical booked for him in the England camp.
I did not bother with it because it just appeared to be a lot of bullshe*p.
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.
27 May 2014 19:41:55
hi eds
with us not being interested in kono since january do you think we don't want him because of the way the owner put a block on his move in january, I think that's why we have not gone in for him again, its just a guess
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}
I think I'd agree with you to be honest. It is strange how for someone we really wanted with ayres trip over there on dead line, to not even enquiring this summer. Probably had a fall out. Never mind.
Perhaps with us getting Champions League or the the form of Sterling has made us want to reassess our options for the wide role. Besides I take it the club knows the price Dnipro want and know the personal terms he wants (God I hope so) etc.
The Ukrainians had their chance and they blew it by messing us about in Jan. It was their loss and the owner has nobody else to blame but himself which is why he has been begging Liverpool to come back in for him in order to start a bidding war. IMO, the Kono ship has sailed.
{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with a bidding war, it is because the lad himself wants to join Liverpool.}
27 May 2014 19:37:51
hi eds
withthe saints manager going to spurs, the owners still remain so I don't think anything will change regarding transfers and the value of the players will stay the same, i'm not going to bother you about lallana and loveren because nothing has changed, maybe spurs will come into the transfer part of the players we want as they usually do, I hope this answers many fans questions on the players we want from southampton
thanks for all your hard work you do on this site
{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}
I wonder if there's a clause similar to BR when he joined us, stating he can't poach any Southampton players for 12 months unless they put in a transfer request.
That would be the sensible thing to have done!
Alonzo14, I'd find that unlucky because Poch officially resigned this morning. That way Spurs didn't have to pay any compensation to Saints (I guess) as MoPo was effectively a free agent. Sound plausible, eds?
28 May 2014 08:08:42
Ed002 your welcome mate, it was common sense really but when I logged on I just could not believe the questions you was being asked, oh well silly transfer rumours our on us because of the opening of the transfer window, good luck mate
27 May 2014 19:21:45
can anyone tell me how much we earned this season, including the champs league qualification? thank you!
{Ed002's Note - You won't know for some time yet - but there was £0 from Champions League qualification.}
27 May 2014 18:35:01
Apparently Pochettino is leaving Southampton for Tottenham is this good news or bad news for us you decide just passing on the message.
{Ed002's Note - The only clubs impacted are Spurs and Southampton. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Liverpool.}
Depends n how you look at it Ed
{Ed002's Note - You can look at it any way you wish, but it has nothing to do with Liverpool.}
I think his main job will be to sort out the spurs squad and get the most out of them big money signings.
I can't see him going there and trying to take half of the Southampton team with him.
So I think the chances of Lallana leaving are higher now, I think he's more likely to join us rather than follow the manager. (Champs league)
Just a hunch though.
Well in a hypothetical sense Pochetino may have been more willing to let player A go than player B (obviously this is dependant on which player also).
Nevertheless still, ought impact on say the Llalana transfer happening or another Southampton player to another club say.
{Ed002's Note - It is to do with the club setting a value for a sale - it was nothing to do with Pochettino - hypothetical or in the real world.}
Of course it has to do with Liverpool! they play both teams twice a season that's 4 games a year. it matters who takes control of which club
27 May 2014 18:30:13
Would the chances of getting Lallana be increased or decreased now that Pochettino has left Southampton?
{Ed002's Note - Why would it make a difference? Paying the price being asked will increase the chances of the transfer going through.}
27 May 2014 18:23:12
Congatulations to Mauricio Pochetinno on securing a 12 month on 4 year off rolling contract with Spurs.
I wonder if levy has already decided on which manager he will bring in, in January.
LoL, Levy going for 10 managers in 14 years. :)
He is a very good manager spurs will be a threat this season coming season
It will take more than the summer for him to sort that team out dezy.
Good manager but I can't see them challenging top 4 next year.
Spurs have had several good managers over the Daniel Levy period and he has sacked them all.
A threat to the Europa league places. Spurs will always be a mid table team.
Let's hope he gets a good run of wins in pre-season or else he's gone haha
27 May 2014 18:09:55
Banter please.
Ed2 has said 5 or 6 in
So let's have a guess
GK no idea!
LB Rojo or Bertrand
CB lovren
MID lallana & can
Attacker shiqiri
Based on who we've been linked with that's the best guess imo, though I'd like a great signing like javi Martinez or Pedro but its not realistic.
{Ed002's Note - A couple of updates. Rojo is attracting a lot of interest from elsewhere now. Bertrand also has another club looking at him. Liverpool have had a verbal offer for Lovren rejected and will need to significantly increase it and act quickly as there is a real push from another club now. Liverpool know what they need to do in respect of Lallana but seem to be sitting on the fence a little right now - one wonders if the club do not see him worth what Southampton want? Emre Can might well happen but it needs Bayer Leverkusen to sort out the situation with Bayern Munich. Liverpool have made there interest in Shaqiri known to Bayern Munich.}
Ed2 who else holds interest in Rojo?
{Ed002's Note - Barcelona and Roma.}
Sitting on the fence until someone offers the asking price the we match it but too late by then.we don't learn to we
In Liverpools defence lallana is not worth 25/30m they may be looking at other players who are actually worth that money.
Rojo & Bertrand a no go for now, who would Liverpool target? There's very few good LBs, coentrao an Marcelo get rotated alot! One of them may be open? I'd love Felipe Luis
{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't hold your breath.}
Regarding left back ed any idea what is likely to happen to Jose Enrique this summer?
{Ed002's Note - No, sorry.}
So ed Shaqiri and can are looking the most likely now?
{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer "most likely" questions. The transfer window isn't even open yet.}
Who else is interested in Lovern
{Ed002's Note - It would not be out of the question for Lovren to move on this summer and with Southampton showing an interest in Caulker the club are likely expecting offers. Interest is there from Roma and Liverpool and even Barcelona may be keeping a watching brief. Sopurs are looking for two centre backs and may, with their new manager, look to Lovren.}
Lallan ain`t worth that money and people need to realize it. Off of one good season? No way in hell. IMO. If they want 30m for hime, then we should move on to other targets like Shaquiri or whoever. If Lallana is so keen to come to us, he`d better make the deal happen because we`re not paying 30m for him IMO, period. As for Lovren and having watched him a lot at Lyon, he`s very overrated and Lyon were glad to see him go so don`t really know about him. Whatever happens, lfc shouldn`t overpay or the Carroll - Downing fiasco will be upon us. As for Rojo, if he`s who we want and the price is not too high or regards a small effort, then go get him. Bertrand? No comment.
28 May 2014 08:01:46
Good evening Ed002,
How did Bayern react to our interest? As in did they inform us of a suitable fee that we would need to bid to speak to the player? Secondly, has he been made aware of our interest by his club or agent? If so, was there any indication that he may interested in a move to us?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool would have been told an acceptable price by his agent and the terms that the player would be looking for. He has made it clear that he want to move to a club in the Champions League which will give Liverpool an edge over other interested sides. Liverpool cannot speak to the player just yet.}
27 May 2014 17:31:35
Hy Eds2
I want to know is pedro shaqiri are realistic targets. Which positions lfc want to sign players this window. I hope lfc will sign 2 wingers 2 CB 1LB and 1 quality forward to compete both domestically as well as in european stage.what your viewson that.
Thanxxx.
ur response will be appreciated
{Ed002's Note - Shaqiri is certainly of interest and realistic. Pedro perhaps if someone were to leave, but there is no interest from Liverpool right now. One wide forward is being looked at, certainly a left back and a centre back and a couple of midfield players. There seems to be strong feeling for another goalkeeper.}
That's a lot of positions ed
doubt we will have that much money
and I don't see a gk coming unless mignolet leaves
{Ed002's Note - It is five or six and one or two may be youngsters. Players will be sold to raise money and I am sure the owners will continue to be supportive.
Thats good. You can't ask for more than that.
Also my gut feeling is that Pedro would not be as effective in the Premier League but I think Sanchez would do quite well. Its only what I think! I try not to pretend I know what's best for Liverpool and who to play. Unlike somewho like to play football managers! ;-)
Ed, do you think assurances on spending will have been given in regard to Brendan's new contract?
{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't think so. Spending will be constrained by Liverpool needing to pay of debt and meet the FFP rules.}
Thanks Ed, thought it would be odd and understand, just curious.
{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool can sustain a top four place and CL football money will soon cease to be a major issue for the club.}
Ed makes my point for me. Cemnting our place within the top 4 is crucial going forward. The title? if it`s there, go for it.
28 May 2014 07:59:30
Excellent Ed002. Made my day.
27 May 2014 17:06:18
Something's than not been mentioned as much as last year. The new kits. Can I just say I absolutely love them both, and for the first time in years I'll be buying the home kit!
27 May 2014 14:01:06
Hi eds, can't seem to connect to Liverpool transfer banter for last 2 days, I can do poll of the day but not posts or reading posts and I have tried on 2 different devices, all my other sites connerct ok, thoughts please
{Ed033's Note - Please use the contact form for tech problems. It's possible that as the banter page is so busy, your devices can't handle the amount of data in the Summer busy period. It's possible your device can handle the mobile version of the banter page at:
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27 May 2014 13:41:04
Hey eds and reds, banter please.
Earlier we had a poll about Henderson being vital to our challenge. Whilst I agree that he was important, I was wondering what your thoughts were on his replaceablity. I admire the guys work ethic, and willingness to never quit, but I have to say if lallana or Sanchez or the likes came in I can't see him starting over them. So I guess the real question is, who can you take out of our starting 11 for these "major" signings. Henderson, or sterling? For me, sterling is the irreplaceable one, on current form.
It would become a diamond
Gerrard/Henderson-Lallana/Sterling/Suarez-Sturridge
Henderson provides the legs that Gerrard has lost: Stevie can't play at his maximum capability w/o Henderson because it leaves us slow in midfield and susceptible to counter attacks and midfield runners. Henderson's sending off versus City ultimately lost us the league mate.
{Ed002's Note - That is a triangle.}
I mean the midfield 4 would become a diamond, with Sterling at the tip. 4-1-2-1-2
Why so dismissive of Coutinho the guy is quality and as he gets more experience is only going to get better. Next year I think Coutinho will be our outstanding player.
I'm not dismissing coutinho at all. If anyone needed a break at the end of the season it was Sturridge.
27 May 2014 13:23:18
Hi eds, thanks In advance.
If the replacements are available could we realistically see Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Enrique, Reina, Lucas, Alberto, Aspas and Assaidi all move on?
From what I can gather from the eds it seems are interest is now focused on these players?
CB Lovren
LB Bertrand
CM Can
AM Lallana
RW Shaqiri
One final question, one of the eds I can't remember who, said that Begovic was our first choice last summer and that he wasn't interested in the move. Was this because we were without champions league football or was he just not interested full stop?
{Ed002's Note - (1) No. (2) Begovic was too expensive.}
27 May 2014 13:15:39
hi everyone,
just playing devils advocate but not entirely sure why people are wanting to bring alexis sanchez in. I am not for one second doubting he is a quality player however given that we have to be frugal with our spend would splurging that sort of money be wise when we already have raheem sterling? I know we need depth but someone of sanchez's quality and his transfer fee would inevitably mean sterling playing a lot less games. I would much rather us spend that kind of cash on a position we actually need to improve on in our starting 11.
thoughts?
27 May 2014 14:36:20
Raheem sterling is a 19 year old boy, You cannot expect him to play all the 40 games, He would need some rest and also competition, If his form dips.
I would welcome an aditional winger / wide forward to take out the goal scoring burden from the front three.
Xherdan Shaqiri can do that job for lesser money Harry
Hi Harry,
I appreciate he is only 19 and I'm not suggesting he plays every game. I'm just saying someone of sanchezs quality will likely only see him play 10-15 games which would really halt his development
I think its has to be a squad game these days. You have to have players to rely on if some get injured or loss of form. Its only natural.
27 May 2014 18:37:25
87Red
Kool.
If you need an indicator just look at every top club in the champions league. We only needed a loss of form or suspension injury etc and we have to cover both premiership and champions league fixtures.
It makes perfect sense to go all out and get Sanchez especially that he's available.
Sanchez is easily as good as Costa and certainly better than both Mkhitaryan and Willan.
Not sure I agree mate. How many games in a season do you think Ribery, robben, Ronaldo, bale, hazard etc miss due to being rotated? Not a lot is the answer. I'm not saying sterling is of that calibre yet but he would barely get a game if we signed Sanchez which would be a great shame on not a massive transfer fee sensibly spent
27 May 2014 13:14:48
Just polled on the Lucas debate.
Personally I wouldn't and I'll tell you why. Next year we're going to have more games and we need options. Lucas gives us that. Yes Gerrard has been great at CDM with his passing and Lucas won't give you that but he can play the role well and all the top teams have players who can offer something different.
I'm sure he'd like to stay, he's not on mega-bucks and he's a genuine guy.
I'd really like Can to join, but not to replace Lucas, hopefully we'll have both come September.
I say as long as he knows he's back up he's fine to stay unless we get an offer of £10million or so by which point you say this could be used on players who will improve the first team
I think experience wise as well he's worth more to us to keep him. Give him next season to see can he return to even 90% of his pre-injury capabilities and we'd be flying it with him again then.
27 May 2014 13:05:37
Liverpool are willing to listen to offers for Reina, Agger, Lucas, Aspas, Coates, Assaidi and Toure while Alberto, Ilori and Robinson are likely to leave on loan. Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren, Ashley Cole, Antione Griezmann, Emre Can and Shay Given are all on Rodgers hitlist this summer while Liverpool.
27 May 2014 13:20:06
Shay Given???????
27 May 2014 13:26:39
How many are left?
You should have started this with the caveat IMO.
"Hitlist"? What is Rodgers planning?!
...............cut..........
{Ed002's Note - I was cool with it but others won't be Marshy.}
27 May 2014 13:02:32
hi edds with all the talk of all these players Brendan wants who is seen as realistic? would someone like fabregas be a decent signing?
seen talk of lallana which seems a good buy, any news other possible transfers?
{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}
27 May 2014 12:32:26
Hi Ed
Do you think Shaqiri would be a good addition and a better option than Tello, Konop etc?
Do you no why he has not been given much playing time at Bayern?
And is he attainable?
{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to try to compare players.}
I think Shaqiri will be a better addition than Tello, and would offer something different as he is left footed.
With his build, and him having played at a higher level in the Bundesliga, I think he would be a better addition that Konoplyanka.
He is direct physical and scores goals. Shaqiri can also play good through balls and I think potentially he can be a world beater.
The only reason I can think of why Pep doesn't like him is because of that direct approach.
27 May 2014 13:01:46
Shaqiri is a very good player. Attainable is totally different question.
Ok Ed fair enough.
Is it because Bayern have better options than him that he s not in the team and often not on subs bench?
Has our interest been within the last few months or older?
{Ed002's Note - Players are transient employees of the club. The interest is now.}
I know you were addressing the ed but personally I think Shaqiri's build would be great for the PL and he's quick too. Konoplyanka is a tall lad too and would suit. Tello, I'm not sure. He would definitely be the cheapest option though, maybe BR could work on him like Sterling.
That's just my opinion.
AG, I watched the games when he played for Basel against United. Ripped them apart. Me and my mate, a united fan, were just talking about him in the morning
27 May 2014 12:30:47
Memphis Depay is the player we need to get in before the world cup, he will be the dutch surprise, better priced that than lallana and a much better player.
depay is the real deal and still affordable.
players in the uk are over priced, 25mil for lallana is just crazy.
we have ibe knocking on the door and borini returning.
we should be covered upfront with depay.
we need to spend our budget on 2 cb and a left defender that's where our problems are not up field.
i see no problem spending big at the back, with 2 better defenders we would have won the league this year.
the future is bright
Malta
I don't agree with him being a better player than Lallana, as they play different positions and have different strength.
He is a good player, similar to Ibe, minus the pace and better finishing.
27 May 2014 12:24:58
Would you be happy with Ashley Cole as our 1st choice left back next season on a 2 or 3 year contract as he has vast amount of experience and it would allow us to bring through Brad Smith and give Jon Flanagan competition if he is not moved to right back?
No. The cons outweigh the pros.
27 May 2014 13:02:45
He would cost us big in wages and Singing on fees, And let's Buy a solid LB for atleast 5 years, rather than buying for every 2 years.
If money was no issue, maybe. But it is, so not for me.
If we couldn't get any of our targets who would be a clear improvement on our current LBs then yes but only then and only with reasonable wages and a reasonable signing on fee. I don't see him reducing his costs to a reasonable level though so I couldn't see this happening.
Firstly I just wanted to see the views of other fans regarding a move for A.Cole, I understand that his signing on fee and high wages would be a stumbling block as his age goes against him but I stil think if we can't get our 1st choice target than maybe we should consider him for the short term.
I would like to see A.Moreno as our new left back but I don't think we will pay the £18M or so that Seville would want, and I don't see Flanagan at left back as I think he might be used as 1st choice right back as Johnson looks to be off either in the summer or next season.
27 May 2014 11:58:39
Hi eds
apart from the bid for lallana and the verbal offer for lovren have we made any other bids or are we in discussions with any other club?
and do we have an alternative to lallana?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained where there is interest in players.}
27 May 2014 11:25:16
Hi eds
Has anyone shown an interest in Blaszczykowski or Aubameyang? I expect that Dortmund would very much against selling them (especially considering Aubameyang only signed last summer) but perhaps another exodus of star players (ie Lewandowski and Reus) might make them think twice about their future at Dortmund.
Thanks
{Ed002's Note - Yes there has been interest, but not from Liverpool.}
Interest in which one? And do you know from who?
Thanks again
{Ed002's Note - Yes, but this is not something for the Liverpool page - try the Dortmund page.}
27 May 2014 11:04:59
Eds, if our interest in Marcos Rojo comes to fruition, will he be bought as a centre half or a left back? From what I've seen of the lad he looks like he could be a top player; but I can't help wondering that coming from Portugal, being South American and of course not being a centre back by trade he may struggle thrown in there in the heat of the Premier League? Thanks
{Ed002's Note - It would be as a left back.}
I think he could handle it, he looks a big tough guy tbh.
27 May 2014 09:19:19
I'm at a loose end for a few hours, so a question for ed001, if we were to suffer a hangover from not winning the title and were well off the pace by christmas and a top 4 place was looking unlikely, do you think the managers job would be under scrutiny? I hope that this obviously isn't a scenario that comes about, but I do have a niggle in the back of my mind that it may happen. I really really hope that i'm wrong on that one, as I say, just a hypothetical question ed001, and I would be interested in your opinion, cheers.
{Ed001's Note - that is a really good question. I have to say I would think it would depend on how we were playing, but I think it would be under scrutiny, yes. What about you? Do you think he would be under scrutiny? And do you think he would deserve to be under scrutiny as it could be questioned whether Rodgers just had a lucky season last time out after all?}
27 May 2014 10:43:36
Waro that's exactly what utd and Everton fans r saying is going to happen and it could happen if we suffer injuries to key players after a world cup summer, that is quite possible that's why I think this is r most important transfer window in a long time but all I see is conflicting theorys on how much we will spend with a new redevelopment to pay for and ffpr being implemented I'm thinking we have to be frugal with r money.if you look at last summer the signings that came in didn't add much to the team which makes the effort the management and players made to genuinely push for a league all the More astonishing.I think when Brendan seen what he got in the 6-10m he realized the players that he got weren't good enough to step in and do a job for him which makes being frugal all the harder.
Hello Ed01, Waro, do you think a manager can have a "lucky season"? I think maybe a lucky run but I don't think luck can be attributed to a full season,
Its a long old season and coming off the back end of the season before it would have been a lucky season and a half wouldn't it.
I guess having the least games of all the challenging teams was an important factor, is that luck? certainly favourable circumstances.
27 May 2014 11:01:44
Tommy
I agree to your post completly. We were poor last summer, But None here would have accepted and they started comparing them with sturridge and Countinho. But I am optimistic this time around, As the players we are linked are off some quality.
Lets Hope BR wouldn't gamble much and bring the right quality.
I think its a fair question
But the amount of convincing wins we had home and away suggests it wasnt just luck
If anything I think we can build on it. I can't imagine as many defensive errors, but I suspect we might not win by as many big scores
Man city said they were the best team they played, and it seemed genuine, so i'd expect us to be in the mix
Alright Waro, anything is possible, however, the players can't play with the fear of what happened last season, otherwise it'll cause problems. They can acknowledge it and move on so that they know and understand what it is they need to do next season. Either they play with fear which will cause issues or with clear heads, minds and hearts and bring the Title back to Anfield. That's how I see it anyways.
Cheers for the reply Ed001, it's a hard one to answer isn't it, would he deserve to be under scrutiny? Based on this season I would have to say possibly no, as I believe you can over perform and have certain scenarios of luck throughout a season but we played some outstanding football so it wasn't just over performance and fortune.
Equally you can have a season fragmented with suspension and injury( miss-fortune )and under performance ( which could happen next season ) so it's a fine line between forgiving him a bad season because of what happened this year or living in the now and questioning his performance if it's poor next year because it's a results industry.
So in summary after all that, I'm not sure ha, no I think he would warrant our backing if he has an average season next year because sides can plateau before fulfilling there potential. Let's hope I'm totally wrong and we piss the league next year, but right now I'd take top 4 again in a heart beat if you offered me it right now.
Good question Waro. My one slight concern about next season is our fairly consistent questionable 2nd half displays and the ability of other teams to tactically (for instance the Chelsea game) thwart us in the 1st half either by pressing (like Southampton) or parking the bus. Our bigger results largely came from blowing teams away early in the match and Managers will be much more aware now of Brendan’s philosophy and how Liverpool set up and will no doubt use this as a means to try and stop us. I do think however that with this years’ experience for the younger players and some summer additions we'll be up there at the end of next. I also think that again our 2nd half of the season performance will be more successful than our 1st half and wouldn’t be surprised to see us 5th/6thcome Christmas, but regardless with the obvious progress Liverpool have made so far under Brendan FSG will give him time.
Hi guys,
interesting debate. I think the othe thing that needs to be taken into account is our great form in BR's first year in charge (january onwards). I don't beleive we could be lucky for 18months straight. i'm not convined we will challenge for the title next year given the extra games we will have to play. I think within reason we have to give him the benefit of the doub if tihngs aren't going xmas as brining in someone else could take us right back to square one and the dreaded transition period"!
I think the answer to your q lies within the question itself.
Man Utd and Everton fans are fearful that this is the resurgence of a mighty force in football and they are frightened to death, so the best they can do is convince their sorry selves that it is just a one season achievemnet on our part.
I am very confident that we will be there again next year and the year after that.
For his part BR is working hard to attract quality to provide cover in the areas he has identified as well as back up for those players who may be tired after the world cup. after the world cup.
I'd happily take top 4 again next season with the extra games stretching our squad. That would still be progress in my mind.
BruceLee makes a great point about the 1st half/2nd difference - something we can surely build on and look to improve our 2nd half performances. Maybe with a squad with more quality the players would be under a bit more pressure to perform well after half time too hopefully!
With the amount of defensive mistakes we made this season we could hopefully improve there too. If we even improve the defensive mistakes and our 2nd half performances then surely we'll be in the mix again!
I agree that there are so many small details that can change a season all too easily. I think much will depend on the players we buy this season. I would also take a top 4 spot. Maybe with a trophy of any sort would be nice.
I imagine he would be given a full season, or at least most of it to turn it around. He has had better runs in the second half of both seasons.
Dropping out of the top 4 will obviously hurt his job prospects, but I don't think it would cost him his job as such. It might depend on a few things. For example if we lost Suarez this summer, key players got long term injuries but we still had a good champions league run, then I think he would keep his job.
Depends what managers would be available as well.
I can see Rodgers having a good season anyway should we have a decent window.
Good Question that Waro.
I think all LFC fans are hoping that this season is not just a flash in the pan.
The thing that makes me positive about our situation is that the improvement in the team under BR has been steady for the past 18 months.
He took 6 months to settle in and during this period we were not at our best, however the last 18 months of his reign has brought champions league qualification and a near title winning points tally.
It has to be more than a flash in the pan due to the continued, sustained standard of our football. HOPEFULLY!
P.S I did not mean to sound like ed001 then as well " good question Waro"
Best thread of the day, so apologies for posting late.
I see this question linked more to how opposing teams line up again us. If there's to be a lot more bus parking (and the indications at this end of last season suggests there will be), its all down to Rodgers calls - summer signings, promotion of kids, a more versatile approach to certain games maybe, his performance in CL for the first time. All very interesting factors.
But lads, we've got a young manager, still learning the ropes really, of course he should get a free year.
Then review the Summer of 2015.
As you mentioned Ed, I do think it will depend on the way we played. It will also depend on where we stand in CL. He'd definitely be under pressure but I feel he'd been given a few more weeks after the January window just in case we could work out a miracle. That said I hope nothing of the sort happens and we finish the season with improvement.
27 May 2014 10:03:46
Adam lallana is making all possible noise for a move away from southampton. This would go down to the wire. Interesting Summer ahead.
The most important thing that should be said in this thread is that next season going to be million times harder than this one just finished . Pending how we do in transfers but will do well to finish top 4.
I'm hoping Lallana leaves at the same time the manager does. Would be an excellent signing for us.
27 May 2014 09:26:19
Thomas Ince to Milan Eds
What are they thinking?
Not even good enough to start at Palace so why on earth old they want a player like that
{Ed002's Note - Why not wait until he fails there and you can celebrate like you do when all Liverpool and ex-Liverpool players fail?}
27 May 2014 09:57:55
Good luck to him only a young lad what has he done wrong.
Tommy, on this one the son carries the fathers sins from a lot of peoples POV
{Ed002's Note - They would be cretins then.}
27 May 2014 11:33:36
I have missed something all I seen Paul once do was give a 100 per cent for us as a player, maybe he wasn't short on confidence but is that a bad thing.
{Ed002's Note - What you missed is the fact he was a Liverpool player and therefore will be trashed by the supporters - standard practice for past, current and potential Liverpool players.}
Paul Ince did a good job as a player and although he didn't leave in the best of ways he deserves respect. Every Liverpool and former Liverpool player deserve respect as they all try their best in the shirt. Good luck to Thomas Ince wherever he goes.
27 May 2014 12:40:15
Ed that's a bit harsh on us do you not think but then you get to see the posts we don't.
Who has LFC fans wanted to fail besides Torres and Owen?
{Ed002's Note - Aside from Suarez, every single current player has been trashed. Every player who has left the club has been trashed. Every prospective player gets trashed. Try reading the "Other" page following any game that Liverpool fail to win.}
Not to mention the disgusting abuse Kenny Dalglish received on these pages during his second spell in charge of the club.
And Steven Gerrard in December.
27 may 2014 13:59:00
ed002. i slightly disagree, i don't think we have thrashed allmost all liverpool players. no other clubs or supporters would have stood with torres or suarez such as we did.
being human, we too would like the very best player with the club and criticism are natural. all those who work for a living would be thrashed by their boss or customer, if the targets aren't achieved. and that's the scale with which we could analyse one another.
apart from us none of the clubs would have given hendo /allen / mignolet and many more such time to develop and settle.
eds. i am also quiet often to other page, and tbf, its the same scene everywhere. (human beings are similar, it doenst change with chelsea, liverpool city or utd).
thrashing have been a regular site with utd (just had one bad seaosn in 20 years), so as chelsea and arsnenal.
examples.
lord bendtner
valnecia
nani
anderson
welbeck
wlshere
ramirez
luiz
even oscar.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool supporters are light years worse. Try reading the other page after any game the team has lost.}
Come on ed, Suarez has got to have the record for most trashed player on here. I know a lot of cretins defended him but he still got a ton of abuse and deservedly so.
Ah Mikey you should have left it at just your first sentence, no need to drag up all that Suarez stuff again. Suppose you were devastated at him helping us to 2nd and himself to player of the season.
Never doubted his ability Sean. I will leave it at that.
27 May 2014 09:26:01
Hi Eds,
I was thinking about the lallana situation and bournemouths 25% sell on fee.
There's been a lot of talk about double bids. Do you think (as well as the fact that Liverpool have an interest in multiple Southampton payers) that this could also be a ploy to lower the 25% sell on fee so Southampton could make greater profit enticing them more to sell.
IE. we pay 35M for Lovren and Lallana.
34M for Lovren (who doesn't have a sell on fee as far as I know) and 1M for Lallana.
Obviously not the most ethical but is there a rule against it?
I'm sure if Liverpool/Southampton did go down such a route it would be far less dramatic so as to be less obvious but it could be interesting the double bid. This is why I think Lallana + Lovren has a good shout of happening.
Please ingore the 35M figure. That is not my point here.
Thoughts fellow reds?
{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that. Yes there are rules against it, and Liverpool & Southampton would both be charged by the FA. Why are you so keen for Liverpool to try and cheat?}
Fair enough.
27 May 2014 10:19:46
Need to bring in Real AG, The only one who could calm the Eds. But Ed002. You replies are just brilliant.
27 May 2014 10:20:04
Ed002, I remember a similar arrangement between Porto and Monaco for the transfers of Moutinho and James Rodriguez. Were any penalties imposed on either or both of the clubs?
Or is such a practice permissible in the Portuguese league? Would appreciate your views on that one.
On another note, Liverpool should NOT pay anything exceeding £25m for Lallana. Though I'd absolutely love Lallana, better can be found in mainland Europe at better prices. I'd hope we swiftly walk away if Southampton remain adamant on £25m+.
The last thing we need is another Salah/Konoplyanka/Mkhitaryan scenario.
Need to be decisive.
Also, Caulker, Bertrand and Clyne aren't what we need if we are to improve on this season and make an impact in the CL. Not due to any other reason than the fact that they are not good enough.
Vorm, Lovren, Erkin, Can, Lallana (under £25m) and Sanchez/Konoplyanka, coupled with keeping Suarez, would be a perfect summer.
{Ed002's Note - I am not sure who you think was was getting part of the sell on fee for Moutinho at €25.4M or Rodriguez at €45.7M or what you are referring to. There were obviously no charges nor any question about the transfers.
I truly don't understand the rational for supporting the idea that Liverpool should cheat and that Liverpool should look to rip off some lower division team who would welcome the money they are entitled to. It is a really despicable thing in my view, but somehow not a surprise.}
27 May 2014 11:28:42
You've won me over on this ED. You're right that it is cheating and I don't think Liverpool or Southhampton will be a party to this.
It just had me thinking when hearing all the talk of double bids.
{Ed002's Note - Good guy.}
27 May 2014 07:38:47
I watched Will Hughes in the play off final and he didn't look anything special. Suso looks to be a much better player.
Thorough scouting my friend!
27 May 2014 09:10:53
Are they two completly different players?
Suso plays deep for spain U21
27 May 2014 01:49:11
Suarez to consider move to Barca after world cup with Fabregas used as a sweetner in the deal possibly another player as well, but as I said nothing will be discussed or happen until after Brazil.
Eds what would you think personally of such a move as regards the club a step forward or a step back?
{Ed001's Note - what on earth would we want Fabregas for? The only player he could possibly replace would be Coutinho and we have a backlog of younger, better players pushing for his spot anyway.}
Ed001, do you not rate Fabregas? May I ask why?
{Ed001's Note - because he has no positional sense or idea of responsibility defensively. So that limits his options in our system to playing the point behind the strikers, as he lacks pace to make up for errors in positioning. He hasn't the skill to glide past players such as Coutinho, Suso and Teixeira. His passing is no better than the latter of those two, it is limited in range and his vision is lacking. There is every reason for the Barca crowd turning on him, they simply see a player who is nowhere near good enough filling a spot in the team. He looked great at Arsenal, where the whole thing was built around him, where he had no responsibility and could just do what he wanted, with lots of forward movement around him and always within a few yards to allow him to pick a pass easily. If that is all we wanted from a player, we could stick any of the younger attacking mids, from Alberto to Suso to Teixeira to Dunn etc there and they could do that. Why waste a lot of money on a player that simply is not that good and is highly over rated? At least the kids will show a willingness to listen to the coaches and show some responsibility.}
Fabregas is overrated mate. There is a reason why Barca and Spain both stick him up front rather than have him play as the pivot because they know he would disturb the whole dynamics of their midfield. Also he is injury prone and not even worth half of what Barca want for him. Simply don't understand what the mancs and the gooners see in him.
27 May 2014 07:50:48
I agree to one very important point. He has no pace.
27 May 2014 07:51:43
Suarez won't go to Barca, As it would start a war between him and Messi.
If he moves, It has to be Real.
Fabregas is better than all our cms except gerrard.how can you say he is overrated?he is a quality player and was one of the best in the league before he joined barca
As a midfielder Fabregas is certainly overrated. Ed001 is absolutely spot on in his assessment.
Pinkman, Adebayor, Pires and countless others looked good playing for the Gunners because they have grown within the Wenger system for years. When they go to other teams like those players above, they struggle mightily. Even Henry was a semi-flop at Barca and Cesc is well on his way to being a huge flop there. Our mids are better than the Cesc of today because we play a system that he is not suited for and they are. Ed is RIGHT.
27 May 2014 00:56:23
Hi Ed, if we do manage to get the deal for lallana done at the reported 25m, do u see there being room for another bid in the same region for a Sanchez or Pedro type player?
{Ed001's Note - that comes down to whether the club value those players at that sort of money.}
Not a chance mate. 25 million on Lallana means we probably won't be spending more than 15 million on any other player considering the club is still making losses and FFP around the corner.
27 May 2014 07:54:03
Lallana (If the value we pay is above 20 mill), Then its stuppid. There is no denying his quality. But That sort of money should be sepnd on player like Sanchez.
As someone the other day mentioned. A front 3 of
Sanchez Sturridge Suarez would be lethal.
But Sturridge, Suarez & Sterling isn't? Sterling will overtake Sanchez within 12 months and will be 6 years younger. I like Sanchez but why spend the money it would take to get him when we have Sterling? Shaqiri makes more sense because he plays in more positions.
27 May 2014 14:32:05
i am fairly certain that Sanchez plays across the front three and can do a job in the CAM and CM if needed. saying shaquri** is more versatile is false.
27 May 2014 00:32:41
Eds and reds,
So rumours are flying that Liverpool are looking for a striker to replace Aspas, compete with Borini and cover the SAS.
Suarez, Sturridge and Borini this season have proven most successful when they are using their pace and running off of the last defender.
Do you think the player we could get will match these traits or offer an alternative style?
Like a Benteke, Dzeko type player. Someone who uses more power than pace.
I think it better we just spend the money on a wide player.
We don't need a target man. I am more than happy with Suarez, Sturridge and Borini as our strike force. Why not just bring in a wide forward like Sanchez or Pedro than spend stupid money on a striker we do not need? Looking for an alternative style would mean BR has no faith in PLAN A. Just stick with the tried and tested than try to fix something which is not broken.
27 May 2014 07:56:01
Aspas would give us 5 mill. And I don't think we could get Benteke or Dzeko with that amount.
Y would Dzeko compete with Borini?
Remy or Tello?
Home fan read the bleeding post before you mouth off he said a type of player who uses more power than pace and gave dzeko and benteke as examples. never mentioned them being 4th choice for us. so seriously mate please stop having a go at posters eds and players!
Also there is more in footballers than just pace 90% of your posts dismiss players due to a lack of pace!
Just have a bit of common sense and respect please instead of trying to put yourself above others by putting them down.
27 May 2014 10:24:48
Shanek
Mate, How on earth did you say, I had a go at Players, Eds and other posters?. Show me.
Mocking and Sarcasm are just a part of this Site. It has nothing to do with any kinda Disrespect.
FYI, We won't be buying any Strikers, We might bring a Wide forward.
I'm not going to troll through the site to copy and past posts. but I understand you have your views on players and that's fair but you don't seem to accept that other people can have different views on the same player and it you can come across with these views strongly enough that they can be taken as disrespectful to the player and whoever doesn't share your view.
Not having a go mate as I said peoples opinions will differ which can lead to a debate and banter which is what this site is about but just keep an open mind and accept other views more!
Take it to the 'other' page please.
26 May 2014 23:54:31
Yannick Bolasie being linked tonight.
Good replacement for moses
Only one year left on contract so should be cheap
There is no link, it is Lazy Journalism at its finest.