Liverpool Banter Archive May 27 2016

27 May 2016 23:09:44
Thanks for your reply Eds read your posts daily keep up the good work and let us know if anything concrete comes in :)

28 May 2016 01:26:55
Like a readymix lorry.

27 May 2016 21:22:01
See brad smiths been learning off Moreno and being in the other half when the goals going in.

28 May 2016 00:34:02
Maybe that's why klopp see's no reason to play him over moreno? Would explain a lot.

28 May 2016 07:19:12
Y did we hand him a Contract AW? I haven't seen anything in him to be impressed off.

27 May 2016 20:57:42
I want to make a cheeky bet on England to win the Euros. Can anyone help me pls? Need info on bookies, odds, etc.

{Ed023's Note - I just had a convo with Ed003 about this funnily enough.. If you like, before the Euro's I will be doing a write up on our exclusive bets page http://www.footballrumoursbets.co.uk/ -- keep an eye for it bud - I will answer any bets questions on there}

27 May 2016 22:22:58
Walk into a bookies mate and ask.

28 May 2016 07:46:39
Portugal for some reason I fancy and at 20/ 1 is a great price. Skybet or bet365 or your best options you get sign up bonuses when depositing a certain amount and both these usually give the best odds.

28 May 2016 08:35:04
African expert if you can place a bet at William hill they are giving you a £5 free bet every time England win a game if you plave £10 on them to win the tournament.

Personally I can't see past Germany.

28 May 2016 09:03:08
Thanks everyone. My eyes will be glued on that one Ed023.

{Ed023's Note - Cheers buddy, it will be in the next week}

28 May 2016 10:57:22
Looking forward to that Ed.

I think I'm going to be backing France in their own country, with Poland as my outsider tip.

{Ed023's Note - I've a feeling for England at the moment but I have't really had a proper look at it yet in terms of squads etc and who I think could carry a nation far in the competition.. I've two bets in mind but things could change in the next few days.}

27 May 2016 20:32:53
Do Nivea make boots?

Lallana moving like he's got a pair on.

27 May 2016 20:43:14
Lallana is a number 10 he has to play wide for us but he's been great this 1st half. Now u can see why Klopp loves him . He is everywhere.

27 May 2016 20:05:47
So I might be missing something but sturridge's injury was initially reported as a calf strain by Roy. However I've just seen it is now being reported on sky sports as a thigh injury. Is it a double injury or are England just hopeless when it comes to diagnosing injuries? The calf and thigh are pretty hard to mix up after all!

{Ed023's Note - He said calf (baby cow) in reference to Rooney...}

27 May 2016 19:14:00
Hi eds, I've tried the search function and scrolled as far down as I can but I think you said something about coutinho and Sturridge asking to leave. Is this true or am I just imagining things

Many thanks

Henlow red.

{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it.}

27 May 2016 19:51:15
I saw someone say Coutinho had asked to leave but the club were trying to convince him to stay. Maybe it was Ed1 but I'm not 100% sure.

27 May 2016 20:16:47
I think it's true that he has asked because there's no European football. Unless we can bring in some top quality signings to encourage him to stay, then he will be off. I'd imagine that Drinkwater, Chilwell, Long and Mane would be enough to see Coutinho go.

27 May 2016 20:21:05
It will all depend if clubs are willing to pay the price Liverpool wants.

27 May 2016 20:42:19
ED002 had indicated last summer that Coutinho would probably leave if there was no European football the next year (through some mumbo jumbo quotes with his Brazil team mates) . ED001 indicated a couple of days ago that Coutinho has asked to leave, but the club is trying to convince him to stay. Just to clarify.

27 May 2016 22:37:50
Long and Mane? Saints players again? Might as well outsource our scouting to them as clearly we have no clue?

27 May 2016 17:09:17
Any word on what's happening with Zielinski? his agent says the deal is close to collapsing. Not a great few days for Liverpool in the market with Niklas Sule confirming he will be staying at Hoffenheim and Raphael Geuirero on the verge of joining Dortmund. Mario Gotze wants to stay at Bayern but they are clearly trying to push him out the door so there's still hope, his contract is up next year and Bayern don't want to risk losing him on a free so we'll see what happens. Any other central midfield targets we are looking at other than Zielinski? I heard we were interested in Dahoud but Gladbach have already lost Xhaka and Nordveit in centre mid so I can't really see them selling. I am fairly sure Ben Chigwell will join but anyone else who knows, Zielinski looked a done deal not long ago.

{Ed002's Note - Right now it is a case of Liverpool's tapping up of Zielinski screwing everything up when they won't pay the asking price. There remains the interest from elsewhere. I have explained about all of the others as well.}

27 May 2016 18:35:12
I have to be honest Ed002, in a way it's a good thing that we ballsed it up as he's not what we actually need and given that we're not flush with cash, we can't afford to make signings who won't work out.

{Ed002's Note - I explained from day one it was not someone Liverpool should look to but Klopp wants him.}

27 May 2016 17:25:50
He isn't coming mate. Looks like heading elsewhere. Expect us to return to Southampton for our annual purchase.

27 May 2016 19:23:21
Why don't we need him?

We have noone who transitions from. defence to attack like him in the middle.

Klipp needs him for his system ie gundogan

Can and zielinski can both Marshall a midfield but zielinskis attack skill and pace will be a major major addition

Definatly need someone of that ilk. Dahoud, coric or zielinski will provide same job.

27 May 2016 20:18:48
We need someone who can actually tackle in midfield. Don't know if you saw that massive hole that Seville kept running through? Ed is spot on with this one.

27 May 2016 21:14:06
That hole has been prevalent all season.

27 May 2016 21:41:19
And Zeilinski isn't the player to fill it. Neither is Dahoud. Neither is Kovacic. Neither is Drinkwater.

27 May 2016 15:38:00
Hi eds,

Do we have any interest in any out and out attakers such as morata, icardi etc. I know other positions maybe the priorty but we lacked goals in our side. Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - There is no interest in Morata or Icardi from Liverpool.}

27 May 2016 17:01:57
Icardi would be perfect.

27 May 2016 16:24:46
Premier League signing of the 2016/ 2017 season will be Jose. Hated by most but delivers trophies.

27 May 2016 16:34:17
Past his sell by date, the sign of a good manager is to turn bad times into good times which he failed to do at Chelsea under pressure, I will give him six months probably at the most.

27 May 2016 16:38:10
Desperation from United. Took premier league champions into a relegation battle in a year and there's the whole question of his chauvanistic attitude to women. The press will be sharpening their knives for his first bad result and you'll see him melt down again,

27 May 2016 16:52:37
Awful appointment in my opinion.

Van Gaal got his best results playing the kids. Jose won't do that so he has a massive rebuild on his hands. They should've gone for Koeman.

Rashford, Martial and Lingaard are an exciting young front 3 and Jose will just break it up with some past it mercenary like Zlatan.

27 May 2016 18:56:08
Mourinho can't do any worse the van gaal, and he will have plenty of cash to spend so he will be happy.

What I question though is he stats in winning leagues.

Porto a 2 horse race with Benfica.

Chelsea open cheque book.

Inter and real are hardly a surprise in winning the league also.

27 May 2016 12:47:30
Do any of the eds know anything about are reported move for Antonio Rudiger?

Thanks.

{Ed091's Note - RTP please

27 May 2016 14:14:24
I did and used the search engine I could not see any responses.

{Ed033's Note - type Rudiger in the search field and click submit and you see posts about Rudiger

27 May 2016 14:58:09
Roma has the option to buy him and sell him. Chelsea have looked at him and could end up there.

27 May 2016 16:40:17
Sorry I meant I couldn't see any responses from any of the eds.

27 May 2016 10:01:49
One for Ed001 if you're not too busy mate.

I know you've said that you don't really like the loan system and would prefer to keep players at the club to develop them.

But are there any players that you would consider loaning out for next season?

Personally I would give Ward, Brannagan and Chirivella loans to Championship clubs, as I think they are all capable of making the step up to playing every week.

And I would probably let Ibe have a loan to a Premiership club (Southampton please! ) as I think he is a great talent but needs to come out of the pressure cooker a bit and start enjoying playing regularly again.

One final thing, are there any clubs in your opinion who use the loan system well? And are there any success stories from the loan system? (I an only really think of Coutois)

Thanks in advance mate, all the best.

{Ed001's Note - Ward is the only one for me. No clubs use the loan system well as it is so inconsistent.}

27 May 2016 11:49:55
Hi eds

Have you managed to find out yet if we do indeed have an interest in Mane? Or is it more fabrication.

{Ed091's Note - don't hold your breath

27 May 2016 12:03:15
Ok mate. I take that as no we are not then.

27 May 2016 16:03:27
Whether he is good or not i am kinda sick of cherry picking from the southampton tree and paying way over the odds for the privilege.

Its a big wide world and there are plenty of pacy tricky wingers we can buy for a reasonable price that can do an equivalent if not better job than mane.

I am not entirely convinced we were ever in for goetze but that gueirro chap seems to possess the qualities that mane has. And if as suspected we are in for chilwell then that will sort out our left flank with ojo/ lallana/ ibe and clyne/ flanno on the right.

It all smacks of agents looking for a summer bonus and drumming up business for their clients to inflate their already inflated bank accounts.

27 May 2016 17:32:49
So am I.

27 May 2016 11:20:15
If Coutinho goes (and it's still an if I know, even if we let him go we won't let him go on the cheap and might not get offers up to standard) would people be willing to give Luis Alberto a try? 6 goals and 7 assists in 25 games is a good return, especially for Deportivo, and he's a lot stronger than he was last time we saw him. With a smaller pecking order so more game-time on offer, would he be worth trying out to see if he can make something of it and add something different. Not to mention that Klopp seems willing to at least give him an assessment and Alberto does seem to want to come back.

Personally I would be inclined to give the extra gametime shared with him leading and Ibe and Ojo competing for it behind him, meaning we can save Coutinho money for a point when we can attract someone better or just use it in areas of the squad where we don't have the options/ quality and need a bigger boost (we all have our own opinions on where that is) . What do other people think?

27 May 2016 12:01:11
That will be like when we sold Suarez and got lambert and balotelli, just moving backwards every time.

27 May 2016 12:18:00
Except we bought Lambert and Balotelli. We already own Alberto, Ibe and Ojo, and already have Firmino and Lallana in those positions for the first team. Meaning we can spend the money better elsewhere e. g. if Sturridge took another long injury and we decided we needed to replace him, we'd need a cash injection because we wouldn't get much for him due to injuries. I'm not saying that we should just bank a pile of money, I'm just saying that we have options in that position - do we need to buy another direct replacement for him, especially when anyone we've been looking at is lower quality anyway?

27 May 2016 12:56:13
No but we would have to replace his quality as neither firmino and certainly not Milner or lallana are as good as him. He has the biggest potential to be a truly world class player, he is still very young and will become more and more consistent. It doesn't matter if we own the players or not, they are not good enough to replace arguably our best player. If they where, Luis Alberto wouldn't have been loaned out and ojo and ibe would be playing for the first team regularly. None of them would fill his shoes at the moment. And I don't mean his position, I mean him as one of our main players. If we where to sell coutinho we would need to get a forward that is as good if not better than him, otherwise we are just going backwards. Why keep selling our best players when we can't sufficiently replace them.

27 May 2016 13:41:42
Its pretty simple, keep your best players and build on those. Alberto should be looked at as he has some talent but he's way off couts level.

27 May 2016 13:20:45
There is no player patently at the club who would come close to Coutonho. Sturridge and Coutinho should be the face of the club going forward. Sell him and we'll be no better than West ham or Southampton. Our midfield is dead with 0 creativity and flair and our attackers needed to be feeded. Who do you think that links the Midfield to Origi and Sturridge?
We will never truly replace given we couldn't pull a 19 year old who is ending up at Spurs.
Without coutinho we looked toothless and flat last season.

27 May 2016 14:42:03
For the record - I'm with you on not wanting to sell him and as I said on the rumours page, I think it would be a disaster. This was more of a 'what next' if it happened anyway.

27 May 2016 15:58:44
I'd be up for giving Alberto a chance in pre-season, he wouldn't be a replacement for Coutinho in my mind though.

27 May 2016 16:08:55
Needed to be feeded, sounds like a song, who is this 19yr old we were never in for that ended up at spurs then?

27 May 2016 10:28:07
Apparently Spurs are now favourites for ante coric and are pretty much nailed on to sign him. Not sure if it's true or not but wouldn't be suprised. Looks a quality player.

27 May 2016 09:57:20
Vicktor Fischer to Borro for £3.8m from ajax seems a strange move? I thought he was very highly thought of and a kid with a great future? If we are looking at wingers I thought he would have been one?

27 May 2016 14:08:17
He's been poor the last two seasons so teams left him alone.

27 May 2016 08:54:07
Italian news outlet CalcioMercatoWeb claim Liverpool are in advanced talks to sign the 23-year-old Rudiger, who would cost around £15million.

27 May 2016 09:27:50
That would be awesome, are we even interested in him though? Or is this just yet another link?

Out of our reported interests in centre backs Jonathan tah looks the best but if we are actually in for rudiger then he would be my pick. Saw tah play twice and he was pretty impressive, but I saw rudiger in mostly champions league games and he was always one of romas better players.

27 May 2016 09:02:45
Hope this is true, anything to back this up Eds? Was going to post a question myself before seeing this.

How do you rate him? Seems like a composed Sakho, a wall of a man.

27 May 2016 05:25:22
Hi Ed

I think, we are long time no see any information from Macca.
Do you know where he is?
In case you can contact him, please let him know I miss him very much.

We are waiting any update from him.

Thank you and best regards,

Federal.

{Ed001's Note - I will try and remember to message him later, he is a very busy man, and pass on your message.}

27 May 2016 07:58:40
Thanks Federal I was thinking the same thing.

27 May 2016 08:35:56
A transfer window without Macca is no fun.

27 May 2016 11:03:10
How is Macca Ed hope he is keeping fit and well? As has been said its not the same without him at transfer window time.

{Ed001's Note - last I heard he was. I will check though when I can be bothered to get up and get my phone.}

26 May 2016 22:01:50
Hi, question for ed001.

How do you see Leicester doing next season, with champions league to deal with aswell?

Another quick question, don't want to talk money. If coutinho was sold (for a price you personally would be happy for the club to get) who would you replace him with if it was your decision and why that player?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on if they keep Kante or not. They will certainly be in the top half and challenging for European places either way.

I am not sure. Guerrero would be a decent replacement, as he can cover left back. Then we give Ojo more time there.}

27 May 2016 09:37:58
Truthfully, I think they're worth a bet on relegation as a long shot. I don't want them to go down but everything went their way this year, very limited injuries, Huth could have had about 3 reds. Kante was an unbelievable player last year, defo deserved to win the league. In the same way they were worth a ridiculous bet to win it, I think they're worth a punt to drop.

27 May 2016 01:07:15
Paul Joyce reporting that the committee are preparing a player (Ibe) + money bid for Sadio Mané who is seen as an alternative to Götze.

Personally I don't think we shod be aiming for him. Mane would command a fee around 25-30 and is very inconsistent. Seems like we should look abroad for cheaper better quality players.

27 May 2016 02:47:55
When we look abroad for cheaper player, the owners get the blame for not spending the money.

27 May 2016 03:52:02
Really? Another Saints player and an inconsistent and indisciplined one at that? Heaven help us with that blasted TC of ours.

27 May 2016 10:24:25
I'd take mane all day long. As a striker though.

27 May 2016 02:46:15
Yes and besides Mane is a striker, not a AM like Goetze.

26 May 2016 19:57:34
Quick question Ed1 or 2 if about.

Just regarding Klopp's poor last season at Dortmund. Did I read correctly that he tried to use a different on field strategy which did not work, thus reverting back to his usual tactics wiry the team then moving back up the table?

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you have read Nicky.}

27 May 2016 08:04:22
He lost 2/ 3rds of his first team to injury and dropped into the relegation zone. He got a few of them back and started climbing - he then got the rest back and ended up in cup finals.

27 May 2016 10:28:11
They also Just could not score. They would out shoot most opponents but could not put the ball in the net.