Liverpool Banter Archive November 27 2015

27 Nov 2015 20:34:44
I am not sure I understand what is the point of Klopp's comment that Sturridge has to know when a pain is serious. Sounds a bit humiliating to me. If he thought this is the case and Sturridge has some psychological issues or low pain threshold he should have told it to him personally. what is the point in doing it in public? Must be hard time to Sturridge anyway, not sure how would that help. If BR would say something like that he would get a lot of stick here.

27 Nov 2015 21:25:35
You're nit picking. Klopp was saying that his training is more intense than under the previous manager and that players need to learn how they should feel after those sessions. Our other players have had several weeks now to adjust whereas Sturridge has not, and it's particularly important that Sturridge does so given his history.

27 Nov 2015 22:02:14
Serious pain as in - don't train/play on because this will cause serious problems

and

not serious pain - as in you've had a hard training session and your body is aching but there are no long term consequences.

Simple.

27 Nov 2015 21:36:32
I still think he should have said it to him personally.

27 Nov 2015 22:50:55
How do you know Klopp didn't tell him?

27 Nov 2015 23:05:12
Yeah I agree he should have kept it in house but the press were firing questions at him about sturridge, fishing for a headline.

27 Nov 2015 23:34:41
Wow abit of the famous "foot in mouth" syndrome. To quote the eds.

27 Nov 2015 23:47:23
Yeah I think it was meant as in, he maybe thought he was in pain because of the harder sessions but it was intact an injury and he didn't stop until it worsened.

28 Nov 2015 05:17:32
Klopp is a stand up guy with dignity and respect for his fellow man and loves his players. Don't know if his comments were made as a direct pop at Studge or maybe he was explaining the situation as he saw it. I would trust him and choose the latter scenario.

28 Nov 2015 05:30:22
I think he was just being honest, I read it as him saying Sturridge is perhaps paranoid about being injured again (fair enough with his history) and so stops at every bit of soreness. Perhaps he does really need to relearn what is 'normal' discomfort and what needs time out worsening a real problem.

28 Nov 2015 05:52:50
What he said makes sense in the context in which it was said. It wasn't a sly dig at him. Personally I can't see it getting better ft Sturridge. He's playing progressively less year after year. His missed half the potential games. But the end of the season it will be closer to two thirds of potential games. Feel sorry for the lad but very few recover in the long term from these problems.

28 Nov 2015 06:52:45
So fanobip is sharpening his knife already. How pathetic to pounce on something as minor as this comment, which is true by the way.

Maybe he did say it to him, then he got a little bruise on his little foot, another month out. Sturridge should grow a pair, Klopp should let us know what's happening and how he feels about it, if he wants to. We pay good money for Studge each week, for him to play for England and do nothing for us for 6 months+

Go find something else to moan about.

28 Nov 2015 06:54:57
Sturridge needs to grow a pair i'm my opinion. i'm sick of hearin about this blokes injuries if I am honest. Great player when fit but that's his problem he never is i'm sure he prefers sitting in the stand thinking he looks good.

28 Nov 2015 07:20:43
Take it easy Max Renn, I am not sharpening any knife. I like Klopp and what he is doing in the club as much as anyone else, just didn't like that one comment.

28 Nov 2015 08:21:53
Seriously have u actually heard or read the entire statement, swish is spot on, and it's been taken completely out of context, now it's the headline, out of all he said the papers are doing what papers do and picking the line that will grab the most attention. Other posters have to an extent explained what Klopp was saying, not only is he coming back from major injuries he will also fear that any pain or discomfort is going to be another lengthy layoff and it will take time for him to adjust to the new training methods and intensity but also to have the confidence in his body so that he knows a little niggle or pain etc is not going to be serious, he is re learning what his body is feeling and how to interpret that in his head then understand its normal. that can take a long time to happen as has been stated many times by Eds and posters alike, physically he may be very close to being 100% fit but after the injury run he has had it will be while before he is mentally fit and confident.

28 Nov 2015 13:31:27
Klopp told it like it is and Studge as well as those moaning on here need to get over themselves because he won't pander to Studge like BR did and he will cut bait with him when and if that time comes. Klopp owes him nothing so Studge had better grow a backbone and overcome whatever mental block he has.

28 Nov 2015 15:42:14
One must really question Sturridge's commitment?

28 Nov 2015 16:33:44
I think someone should teach klopp the word called merlingering.

28 Nov 2015 19:36:02
Glad I'm not the only one who saw the media quotes and couldn't see/hear them in what he actually said. It has been taken very much out of context by lazy journos looking for something to say to stir things up.

27 Nov 2015 19:01:59
Adding to the sturridge debate I think there are two main points.

He's a person like the rest of which means if it is a mentally problem as should be showing support. He's had genuine injury problems and he may convince himself it could worsen if he plays, but at the end of the day that could happen to any player. In time he will hopefully get over it and I definitely put my faith in Klopp to get him over that.

What if he gets sold? If he premier league bought him can you imagine the goals he would get for them if he in time got over the injury problems. We are lucky to have him because hopefully soon he's going to have a good run with us.

27 Nov 2015 19:35:09
The first of the brace he got at home to Villa was a world class finish. That, coming after his first game back from injury. Did it against West Ham last season too. I reckon he's worth the wait. Benteke is more than capable of filling in.

27 Nov 2015 20:29:15
Well said RedTwist.

27 Nov 2015 20:52:05
Heard a few ex players comment on Danny's injury situation but JK words are the best I've heard.

I'm sorry mate but he's right if you want to play you will go through the pain barrier.

28 Nov 2015 05:20:24
If you don't wanna get injured, don't play. End of.

27 Nov 2015 16:12:59
the whole daniel sturridge debate has been a massive topic for debate for a while now, I don't think many lfc fans or other teams fans would debate that he has got great ability and can be devastating with his pace, skill and finishing. then the flip side I believe in his near 3 year stint at lfc he has played 70 games but MISSED 73 through one injury or another. in that time his ratio is also among the best to goal to game ratio lfc has had, but surely the amount of games missed out weighs the goal to game ratio? I don't want to speculate on how much players are on so on so forth but I would be very surprised if he wasn't in top 3 earners at us. I have read loads of comments saying why sell him he the best we got when fit so on so forth but that's my biggest issue injuries are part of the game and I feel for the likes of ings and gomez who have suffered acl pretty much together and will miss most if not all of the season this I see as part of the game injuries but with sturridge some one just needs to look at him and it seems it's a 6 week lay off. even then there another set back in between he comes back again. I know a lot of lfc fans would disagree with what I'm saying and hey I seen what rvp done when he left arsenal for United and won them the league so I understand the reasoning behind trying to keep some one as good as sturridge but in my eyes I think this has become to much of an issue with so many false dawns that he all fixed and better now ready to go when he just breaks down again. I would love to hear the eds oppinions on this matter but I think it might be best for all parties to part ways.

27 Nov 2015 17:21:00
DS is easily one of the best finishers in the league.
It pains me to even consider selling such a player.
However, Klopp wants his squad playing AND training at ultra high intensity. DS will not be able to do that IMO so the only outcome is to sell him. It's a sad state of affairs.
I don't know who would buy him or for what price, I suppose we'd be hoping to break even.

Replacements I believe are not currently a priority, we have Ings, Origi and Firmino.

27 Nov 2015 18:44:19
First, Aguero is a better finisher. Second, I don't see what we gain from selling him other than his salary and if the injuries continue, we will have to to move to some arrangement of pay as you play. The money we may get for him if we sell him will not be worth it no one will pay much for a player who is always injured. He should be another option we have for about third of our games. a bonus. What is there to lose?

27 Nov 2015 19:10:26
Fano- I said "one of the best finishers". I stand by that. His wages are over £5m a year. Pay as you play is pie in the sky, ask ed002. Klopp expects the whole squad to train together at the same intensity which helps build team spirit. He won't indulge individuals to the detriment of the team.

28 Nov 2015 05:02:59
Well said, Ron.

28 Nov 2015 05:30:01
Spot on, Ron. The days of when managers in England pander to players are over. Klopp will not tolerate any of that. If you can't train, you won't play and if Studge can't be sorted out, he will be let go and we will all get over it.

27 Nov 2015 14:57:14
As much as Studge injuries bug me, some fans seem to forget the season of the SAS. if there were half a chance we could resolve his problems and pull a season like that out of him, the club should continue to be patient!

27 Nov 2015 16:31:42
Read Klopp`s comments about this subject in the Daily Mail and you`ll have a full picture of what he thinks about Studge and his fitness issues.

27 Nov 2015 16:40:57
Part of it is how much does Sturridge want it?

27 Nov 2015 19:36:41
could someone please give me an idea as to what was printed in thedaily fail. I will not read the daily hate mail.

28 Nov 2015 12:56:27
BR also got us to second in the league in the management capacity. So what's your point?

If your not playing half the time and will never be glued together let's just cut our losses on him. Excellent player, and I feel bad for him not being able to overcome his injuries and perform like a proper athlete but he has problems with his body that are costing a lot of money.

27 Nov 2015 14:02:31
Hi Ed002

Do you no if Sakho Hendo and Coutinho are fit for weekend please mate?

{Ed002's Note - Coutinho is fit but as I explained the club slipped Henderson by a week and Sakho remains a few weeks away.}

27 Nov 2015 15:08:28
Ok mate i thought Hendos extra week was this week just passed.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

27 Nov 2015 13:33:21
People saying Sell sturridge and buy a replacement are mad. Ings benteke and firmino are all capable there, and for every game we've played one up top. 3 for one position is enough, with origi too and sturridge around.

27 Nov 2015 14:26:37
Sturridge around doing what exactly? he can't even do a light training without getting injured. People are turning against him as such just thinking what's best for the club and the targets of us the fans, the players and the club. If we have to buy a striker then we have to buy a striker.

Ings is out until the end of the season maybe a month before depending on how he progresses. Origi hasn't shown he is up to leading the line so far, Benteke dosent have the best track records of staying injury free and firmino i think prefers the number 10 role. So saying to buy a new striker in the winter dosent sound that bad if you put it that way does it?

27 Nov 2015 20:37:57
We won't be buying any strikers in January, that would be a waste of money. Benteke has scored 5 goals in 9 starts and is doing very well, when he is out injured, Firmino can fill there. we have Danny Ings also who started very well and will suit Klopp and his pressing system.

Getting Sturridge fit is the only option for now, maybe in the summer if the club decides to move him on and also sell Yesil, Sinclair and Origi then we will need a ST but until that a striker and a number 10 is the last positions we need to fill.

28 Nov 2015 20:53:13
People have been saying that Firmino 'favours' the no. 10 role, but I'm not sure we have any evidence of this.

He's played both no. 10 and false 9 for Hoff as well as for Brazil, and done well in both. I think he favors a central attacking role, which both positions fit.

I think Firmino would enjoy, and also excel, in either position for us, so long as he is playing with likewise fluid attackers. He links up with Coutinho and Lallana very well. Less no with Benteke, and this is not surprising. Over time, that will improve too, as Firmino matures.

The other thing I'll say about Firmino, is people give him a lot of guff for missing chances. This is true, but I just counsel patience. Suarez used to miss a tonne of chances in his first and second season with us (remember Suarez's ugly penalty miss against Sunderland in 2011? Against Brighton in 2012?).

The most important point, was that Suarez was getting the chances through creative movement, darting runs, pace, skill and guile in the final third. Eventually, Suarez honed his finishing and the goals cam in droves. Firmino, too, is creating similar kinds of chances for himself through similar movement/creativity/skill. I think the goals will also come, once he works on his final product.

27 Nov 2015 12:34:23
I fear Mignolet's days are numbered at Liverpool. That was a catastrophic mistake of the highest order last night. Although Klopp didn't show it I would imagine he was fuming inside. A new keeper in January a priority for Klopp after that debacle.

{Ed002's Note - It is far from easy to buy first choice goalkeepers in January.}

27 Nov 2015 13:52:27
Can any of the Ed`s help me with some info? I saw in the media that Klopp may be interested in Timo Horn from Cologne. Is this true and what do you think of him as a GK, in general?

{Ed002's Note - Horn is well thought of - Cologne will not be looking to sell him in January.}

27 Nov 2015 14:55:13
Give Bogdan a go for now.

27 Nov 2015 16:36:28
In the summer then, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not declared any interest in him at this time.}

27 Nov 2015 11:57:11
Great to get the win and I really think Benteke is a great striker but he didn't quite have the movement or tricky interplay that we saw from LFC (Llalana, Coutinho, Firmino) against City, but then we shouldn't expect that from him. I would love to see him with Markovic back n the side.

Regarding Firmino, I feel he would perhaps have been more effective with someone alongside him who he could link with and feed off their movement/vision. Ibe and Milner aren't that, they're more traditional wide forwards IMO, and neither are Lucas or Allen in midfield (although even Allen almost looked Brazilian at one point juggling into the box on his chest! ) . Firmino didn't seem to quite have chemistry with anyone in particular on the night, but then maybe just an off night after a barnstorming City game.

I was pleased with how Allen performed. Still don't think he's what we need long term in our style of play (more of a possess specialist) but but well done lad and Lovren even played a couple of cracking cross field passes.

27 Nov 2015 14:18:37
I was pleased with Allen as well and I one of his biggest critics. As for the game, it was not perfect but in a period where games are coming thick and fast, things won`t be perfect. I think we showed brilliance in flashes and remained compact and solid globally BUT we gave the ball away too easily along with making needless fouls. All in all, not great BUT job done. On to Swansea.

27 Nov 2015 14:35:33
I felt Allen was very average. Don't want to be too negative but feel Lucas and Allen both shouldn't play. Game becomes a little slow. don't want to be harsh though, maybe he can recapture his fast, crisp passes which lead to attacks.

27 Nov 2015 16:41:12
Youre right, pankaj. Lucas and Allen in midfield has NEVER worked because they are both one paced even if Lucase is the better player. This is why our mid is more effective with lucas holding and a high energy guy like Can or Hendo ahead or alongside him.

27 Nov 2015 19:33:54
What gave you the impression, or have given the impression that Lucas hasn't been up your expectations? I surely haven't seen what you believe to the effort not being there.

The last two PL games, he has played really well.

28 Nov 2015 02:56:02
I think the point was more about balance and Allen and Lucas shouldn't play together. I actually agree slightly as Lucas, Allen and Milner isn't exactly a dynamic midfield.

I would prefer a DM, A box to box and an attacking together for balance eg. Lucas/Milner/Llalana would have been more effective IMO and then could have played Ibe and Origi as wingers for Benteke, resting Firmino and Couts for Swansea but to be fair, debating semantics when we've won and gone through is a bit of a luxury!

27 Nov 2015 09:07:35
The Referees a wan*er chant summed it up for me last night. i'm still undecided if the migonlet incident should of happened, will he do that again most probably. Benteke was good last night and should of had two goals for me as the second one wasn't a foul at all.

Allen had a decent game, and i didn't see the need for Can to come on as he needed a rest.

What is going on with Sturridge people! so frustrating for us but it must be even more for him. Do we look at another striker in Jan in the possibility of shipping DS out in the summer or do we take the risk of trying to kepp benteke fit and hope that origi will improve. Thoughts on the sturridge comment is welcome! YNWA.

27 Nov 2015 09:45:09
Can't see what the ref did wrong really.
Migs was completely at fault for that goal, first of all for holding into the ball for so long and secondly for his positioning for the resulting free kick.

27 Nov 2015 09:59:41
I don't recall there being any such chants directed at the ref when he awarded that extremely soft penalty in our favour.

27 Nov 2015 10:15:42
like i said migonlet was at fault and shouldn't of kept the ball for 20 seconds but at the time i was like what is going on! the ref blew the whistle two times in that decision one given it to them and then changed his mind and gave it to us then gave it back to them! The referee was poor, Allen made two great challenges and the ref blew when the ball was clearly won. regarding the chant this was made half way through the second half as the decisions was completely going Bordeaux way and for nothing. The penalty was a penalty you don't put your arms around a playes head and throat when you know it can cause a penalty, so that comment was pointless irishkopite.

27 Nov 2015 11:36:48
First half apart from the penalty which from my angle in the Anfield Road looked like a slip/incidental contact you see all the time (Ref seemed to look at the touchline official for clarification) I thought the officiating was rather good. I've been complaining about keepers holding the ball too long and often count them, for example vs Palace there was an incident of 23 seconds which wasnt punished. Mignolet in the second half held the ball over 6 seconds again by my reckoning. The ref also punished a foul throw which is something that we see week in week out in the Prem and its atrocious. He did however miss a couple other poor throws but then the game would have been stopped even more.

Benteke scored and played well for the other 'goals' but faded and should have been taken off. As for Joe Allen you need to see him off the ball, he nearly gifted them early on with a pass when he wasnt looking. I like Joe but he's just not suited to this new system he requires too much time on the ball and is often out of position, which is the worry for the weekend.

The chanting was just about the only thing the rest of the ground did last night apart from a strong YNWA at the end. The Kop tried to get the atmosphere going but far too many people at the game who don't sing or even know the words and again even winning there was the standard exodus from the ground before the final whistle. Klopp mentioned it in his manager notes that it is for the players to make us stay but what does it show him when we leave when we are winning.

I agree the decisions seemed to be all in their favour in the second half but I saw a lot of silly fouls due to fatigue from out team, no doubt one of the reasons Can came on. Still a win is a win.

27 Nov 2015 12:32:18
I have to agree with JK67.

27 Nov 2015 09:23:59
You cannot sell a player who has been injured for more than an year. The club will give him time to ease back into the team. We made a mistake in buying Origi, as we should have bought one experienced back up.

27 Nov 2015 12:48:06
EG we brought in Ings this year and purchased Lambert as experience as well as the myth 2 summers ago.

27 Nov 2015 14:29:54
JK57 is on the money. Ally, the rule is the rule and because it is not always enforced doesn`t mean it is no longer a rule. Holding the ball for 21 seconds is literally making a fool of the refree and Mingo got what he deserved and trust me, Klopp is taking notes of all his blunders especially the two he made in the same play. First, he stupidly gives away the free kick. Then, he stupidly stands behind the wall on the free kick instead of stand on the other side of the wall where the player placed the ball and scored. If I can figure that out, you better believe that Klopp saw these howlers as well.

27 Nov 2015 13:07:34
I did not mean any player over 32 as experienced players mate. Someone who has been playing around for a while. Else it should have been either Ings or Origi.
Lets assume everyone is fit at some point in the future. The club would still be unbalanced with 4 strikers excluding Firmino.

27 Nov 2015 21:26:35
red ohio, just for the recor,d watch cech in the champions league, I've literally watched him hold the ball for 40+ seconds, that's not an exaggeration that's a fact. Yes migs could have released it, but at the same time, the inconsistency is appalling.

28 Nov 2015 05:36:03
Cech is just as wrong as Mingo and the rule is still the rule so not too bothered if one ref enforced it and the other did not.

27 Nov 2015 06:39:34
Eds. I've seeen the post about Studge being injured and out for 12weeks!? This is not right is it. We are awaiting news right?

{Ed001's Note - yes, still awaiting news.}

27 Nov 2015 07:19:45
Would be interested in hearing your take on this Eds. I'm beginning to think some of this is in Sturridge's head. Some players would play on with a limb missing whereas others feel every little knock. I'm not for a second saying he's faking it but i do get the impression there's a psychological factor at play here with him.

{Ed001's Note - there will always be a part of any injury in the head, but the club want to be careful with him as well. He has come through a long term injury and is way behind on fitness, that is always a dangerous time for the body. Before his injury, the training was a much lower intensity and so he was nowhere near the fitness levels required by Klopp. Trying to build up to that level is always going to run the risk of picking up these kind of issues. It just takes time to build up to full fitness.}

27 Nov 2015 08:27:13
Got to agree with Ed001 here. Nothing like the same level of fitness as a pro footballer of course but as at July 2014 I was at 48mins for 10k. I had surgery on my knee in Jan 2015 and even though I was walking in 2 weeks getting back up to anything like the same running speed has been a nightmare, mainly because I'm overcompensating for the left leg and putting more pressure on my right leg causing lots of leg/back niggles. Sturridge probably has similar issues, magnified many times over my issues!

27 Nov 2015 08:28:35
But this was happening before klopp so it might be something to do with his diet/health or the lactic acid in his muscles. I've never seen such an injury prone player.

27 Nov 2015 08:43:57
Sturridge will eventually come good but the team has other problems. Lucas is continuing to bleed yellow cards and we all know that blood is red and that is the next step and Mignolet still thinks that he is playing Rugby Union with his perfect kicks into touch. In that sport failing to release the ball is also an offence. I was disappointed to see Allen in the team yesterday as I still believe that he is not good enough especially as the team is now going in the right direction.

27 Nov 2015 10:54:23
Sturridge has to go.
A replacement has to be found.
Sick note has been doing this far too long.

Mignolet, whilst can make good saves, needs to be No. 2.

27 Nov 2015 08:57:15
Could someone tell me what wrong Allen did yesterday? I must have watched a different match for sure. Milner yet again offered nothing down the flanks as not a single cross went good.

27 Nov 2015 12:52:45
ED001 do you think it's time to start altering his training sessions? From what I've read and seen in interviews Spurs and United did this regarding King and Ferdinand, where they almost reduced the training to nothing with regards to football, relying heavily on the players class and knowledge being retained and focused mainly on keeping them fit and healthy?
Spurs players have said in the tv show fantasy football with merson, that King often just did functional excercises and cardio upkeep, and maybe trained with the first team 10/20 times a year.

{Ed001's Note - yes, I think that needs to be looked at.}

27 Nov 2015 12:55:42
With regard to allen, I have no idea what that backpass was to mignolet when he had to do that poor header, he panicked. I saw him give the ball away cheaply several times especially in dangerous areas, and shoot from 25 when Ibe sat at the edge of the D unmarked with several yards of space. That was mainly just the first half. Allen was NOT good yesterday. Lucas was certainly one of our better players on the field, and had a stormer covering for Joe, and made a lot of necessary fouls when Joe was no where near his man.

27 Nov 2015 14:02:49
You could certainly bring up all those minute details, BOB. Allen did well for me yesterday, He broke up the play well and charged forward when needed. He has the vote of confidence of Klopp and I am damn happy.

27 Nov 2015 21:28:01
For me he didn't break up any real danger, and actually gave the ball away in danger, these were not ''minute'' details, they could have cost the match, How do you feel he has the vote in confidence may I ask?

27 Nov 2015 04:58:26
Was feeling happy, relieved and bit frustrated at the end of the game yesterday. However, after a good night's sleep all frustration is gone and only positive emotions remain.

I guess this is what being a United fan feels like these days:

Play crap and boring footy for 90 min, have few good moments, win the game. Feel frustrated and happy. Wake up next day remember only the win and say we are good. Next week Repeat.