Liverpool Banter Archive October 27 2015

27 Oct 2015 23:24:53
Greetings Eds and friends.

So it looks like Benteke is out again.
This time with knee ligament damage.

So Origi is going to keep getting game time.
Hope he can get one past Bournemouth.
I think that would do wonders for his (and perhaps the team's) confidence.

What are your thoughts (when fit) to give Firmino a look up front?
Worth a shot?
He has played in a lone striker role for Hoffenheim and Brazil, correct?

Wish Benteke a speedy recovery and hopefully not too serious.

28 Oct 2015 00:21:04
Yes. He should be played up front over Origi. Big difference in quality. Seems Klopp realizes this.

28 Oct 2015 05:20:34
Benetke's is not a serious injury and LFC hope he is back for the Chelsea game.

28 Oct 2015 05:48:01
Well that's good to hear.
Thanks AG!

On the other side of the ball, sounds like Stoke knocked Costa around a bit, might be out for the match Saturday.

28 Oct 2015 06:29:29
Crying shame about costa. Couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Good to see Walters finally score against someone other than ourselves!

28 Oct 2015 08:42:01
Not surprised at all about Bentekes injury, he's another sicknote unfortunately which we all knew pre forking out 30 odd million quid.
As awful as Origi is/has been, I think it's important for him to play Tonight for his confidence and development. Ibe and Firminio should start also without question and play for a starting place come Saturday, not being negative but apart from 3/4 players you might argue most positions are up for grabs at the moment.
Time to shine me thinks.

28 Oct 2015 14:07:58
Excellent point Welshkop.

If Origi is going to keep getting game time he needs to raise the confidence level a bit and perhaps he can scrap a few in for us.

Curious who Klopp will give the armband to on Saturday.
Because Milner can play today and not Sat, correct?

Personal choice would def have to Lucas (or Sakho? )

27 Oct 2015 19:01:19
Sturridge?

Would/Are any clubs interested due to his constant injuries. I know we were, but at that time he wasn't always injured like now.

28 Oct 2015 00:02:06
With him a knock that might not even sideline a player like Suarez (who rarely ever plays at 90%) would have Daniel out for 2-3weeks. He definitely lacks a mental hunger when it comes to knocks and niggling injuries.

But we don't have to sell him he just can't be the player we all pin our hopes on being injury prone as it makes us really weak when he isn't available.

28 Oct 2015 00:27:37
I've constantly defended Sturridge, but now I'm done. Far, far, far too unreliable. Sell him for whatever we can get. What is the point of having a player on the payroll who will play 1/18th of games in a year?

28 Oct 2015 06:35:29
Starting to fear losing sturridge may be the way even just for the payroll saving. He had an entire summer of treatment and recovery. Been injured twice since he was declared fit. Every time he's fighting to get fit he over compensates elsewhere and does something else. Feel sorry for the lad but can only see him getting worse as conditions worsen in the season and everyone is at a higher level of fitness than him.

28 Oct 2015 07:59:41
Studge recently signed a new contract putting him around 7m a year, not many clubs can afford that, at the moment not clubs would want him at the price we would expect. If sold him at a reduced fee we would still need to offset some of his wages. So I think we stuck with Sturridge for real foreseeable future.

28 Oct 2015 13:26:21
With Klopp, I have no fear about losing Sturridge. The guy is wholly unreliable anyways, but I'm confident Klopp could attract a world class striker to LFC-- an Aubameyang or someone in that mold-- so we don't have to rely on Sturridge so much from here on.

27 Oct 2015 17:29:23
Hi eds, could you please state tge players that you would go for, like you did in the summer with Matuidi, Balanta etc. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Much will depend on who Klipperty decides should move on. Perhaps a tiny bit of business in January but I suspect the summer will see a few changes.}

27 Oct 2015 19:16:16
Ed002
Has there been any early suggestions as to who klipperty has not taken a liking too? Apart from obviously the English FA.

{Ed002's Note - No Reet.}

27 Oct 2015 23:55:38
I suspect Liverpool FC will see a lot of changes. And I suspect that in order to get shot of the surplus, the club will be prepared to take a serious reduced valuation.

27 Oct 2015 14:39:48
Hey Waro.
Keep looking over your shoulders mate, everyone agreeing with your posts would make me worried.

27 Oct 2015 16:27:38
Don't worry lad, I'm sure I'll p someone off soon, then normal service will be resumed.

27 Oct 2015 20:35:43
The annoying part is how you're so proud of it.

27 Oct 2015 17:07:44
Waro is a legend.

28 Oct 2015 03:29:39
You missed out the space between the g and the e. The only legend Waro is, is in his head, and possibly his lunchtime.

27 Oct 2015 13:10:25
You know what's grinding my gears? The plaudits Moreno got for that tackle on Sadio Mane. Yeah, great tackle, but it was just cleaning up his own mess because of this huge space he left open.

Applauding him for that tackle is like applauding someone for cleaning up glass that they dropped on the floor before someone barefooted could step on it.

27 Oct 2015 13:31:01
Completely disagree. Moreno has clearly been instructed to get forward and provide width. The ball got in behind because Sakho didn't do enough to intercept it and because the midfield didn't put enough pressure on the ball. Moreno tracked back into the space and showed excellent pace and timing to get back and make the tackle. You can't have your cake and eat it. He either never goes forward and we complain about him not offering enough of a threat going forward, or he goes forward and we moan about gaps out wide. Klopp likes attacking football so there will be gaps. Which is why we need to work on getting his pressing tactics spot on so the opposition can't get out qucikly enough to exploit those gaps.

I was very critical of Moreno last season and when he signed. However he has arguably been our best player since he came back into the side. Both goals conceded under Klopp were actually Nathaniel Clyne and James Milners fault for leaving their man at the back post.

27 Oct 2015 13:36:03
So he made mistake and fixed it himself, what should we do? He could have given up or brought him down but he sprinted half the field to rectify a mistake, calm yourself.

27 Oct 2015 13:43:20
The end of the day he was cleaning up his own mess, but at least he did it.

The amount of players in our team that wouldn't have been able to catch up to him. Shows it mattered.

Good tackle, good energy, yeah left the gap himself but he will hopfully learn and get better.

I have high hopes for him.

27 Oct 2015 14:08:29
No problem with players clearing up their own mess. It's when they don't clean up there is a problem, and let's be honest it was a lovely tackle.

27 Oct 2015 14:10:41
I guess in the OP`s world, you are no longer allowed to atone for your mistakes.

27 Oct 2015 15:00:12
Morenos been poor. His delivery has been poor going forward, he has been decent defensively. Best player has been Lucas or even sakho.

27 Oct 2015 15:41:45
I thought Moreno has been brilliant the last few games.

27 Oct 2015 16:42:41
it was a sensational tackle. Going forward Moreno was typical for a lot of our other players going forward, Can, Clyne, Ibe, very happy to take the ball and run half a pitch, but then always poor final ball or getting into one too many defenders or occasionaly poor shots to the high skies. Zero end product.

27 Oct 2015 18:29:43
The situation doesn't matter - it was still a great chase down and a great tackle at the end.

27 Oct 2015 20:41:57
He was right to be pushing up in attack, and leaving the space behind is a by-product of asking him to provide width going forward, not negligence. The defensive midfield is supposed to be there to cover the counter and support the CBs against the break.

Far bigger problem was how often Can, Milner and Coutinho ran into defenders without releasing the ball and gave possession away.

I'm just glad he's got the pace and balls to make that tackle. well done lad.

27 Oct 2015 17:51:34
Its got applauded because it was such a fine tackle. Like the only way it could of been done without giving a pen away, 1 second either way and its was a pen.

27 Oct 2015 20:56:09
Interesting to see if Skrtel gets as much leeway when he makes a mistake then atones for it as we are for ever reading about why his last ditch tackles are because of his poor positioning. Great tackle by Moreno by the way.

27 Oct 2015 23:40:21
The situation does matter, he was way out of position. I'm not denying that the tackle itself was great and was great defending. But we criticise Skrtel enough for atoning his own mistakes, so I don't know why Moreno gets so much more leeway here.

27 Oct 2015 23:50:27
Making that tackle at that speed requires split second timing
He was brave to take it on and it looked spectacular but it could have quite easily have gone wrong and been a red card / penalty

But the desire to defend was promising.

28 Oct 2015 02:11:30
the lad can't win, if he does not go up and attack he will get stick, and if he did not get back to make the tackle he would have got stick, for not getting back, what do you want him to do, i'm sure if he attacks other players have instructions to cover his position it a pity we don't know who it is plus i think he was the only one in the team with the pace to chase the player, catch up with him and make the tackle,

28 Oct 2015 03:57:28
It's all about choosing the best times to attack rather than bombing forward all the time. If you push forward then you have a responsibility to immediately track back and close that gap up. You can't always rely on him making last ditch tackles in our own penalty box that have virtually no room for error.

27 Oct 2015 12:39:02
Not having a go at a poster just a question, I think it was waro who posted it. What was the surprise inclusion in the team for Saints?

27 Oct 2015 13:44:34
It obviously didn't happen mate, which was why I didn't post it, it was a very surprising selection which was why I questioned it and was reluctant to post until I received more concrete confirmation.

27 Oct 2015 14:37:37
Waro I saw an article about Klopp leaking a fake starting 11 to identify a leak and that he may have identified it which might account for your info/source being unusual?

27 Oct 2015 16:24:20
So what was it?

27 Oct 2015 18:16:31
I also saw a similar article.
While I doubt the correlation between leaked teams and games lost is relevant, In this day and age leaked teams probably shouldn't happen.
Having said that, I'm never sorry to read one.

27 Oct 2015 18:42:11
Sorry if I misunderstood, you said it didn't happen then it was a very surprising selection? The one you got told wa surprising or the one that was actually picked?

{Ed002's Note - Let it go - move on.}

27 Oct 2015 18:52:45
Really? That's interesting, when I received the team, something wasn't sitting right with me so until I'd gotten something more concrete ( which obviously I didn't) I didn't want to post it.

27 Oct 2015 21:24:44
Can't you lot just leave him alone? He's given us some solid info about sturridge being injured, he was ridiculed, turned out 100% true.
And know one thing he posts doesn't come true- ridiculed.
Everybody gets it wrong sometimes.
You lot will just shoot yourself in the foot, making another source question why he posts on here.

27 Oct 2015 09:31:18
I can't believe the moaning and questioning going on here at the minute! Klopp has been here a fortnight ffs, there's milk in my fridge I've had longer and people are hinting and intimating there not happy with what there seeing. Did you really think he'd walk in and wave a magic wand and we'd start winning every game?

He's taken over just as two promising young players go out with long term injurys, the captain is out long term, two £30+ million players are feeling there way back after injury, his best striker is a walking sicknote and he's trying to implement his style of football which the players can't just switch on to overnight, it takes time and patience so I suggest some of you don't watch us until after Xmas because it could get worse before it gets better, people saying he'll get grief if we don't do win are next two games, what absolute garbage, he can lose both games and any right thinking supporter will still think his appointment was the best thing these owners have done in years.

So in summary, stop wanting everything yesterday and man up and get behind the manager and team. " you can't always get what you want, you get what you need".

27 Oct 2015 10:36:17
have and agree waro ^^^^.

27 Oct 2015 10:50:03
Excellent post Waro but please mate, that milk is gone - get rid.

27 Oct 2015 11:01:02
I watched the Southampton match at home. Just as we kicked off I clapped my hands with a bang, the brother jumped, the dog barked. It is exciting to watch Liverpool once again. The disappointment with the draw is nothing compared to the buzz, the excitement, the passion of Klopp, the passion of the players for the jersey. It may get worse before it gets better. But I am looking forward to Bournemouth and come kick off I will be nervous, like I have always been and should be. We were off course, now we are back on track, and if Klopp has to take us the long way round to success, so be it.

27 Oct 2015 11:04:34
When WARO makes a post that makes 100% sense then it is nothing short of being the word of God itself.

27 Oct 2015 11:29:28
100% agree with Waro. Can't believe how much self pity and chip on the shoulder supporters now follow this club.
Yes, we have an illustrious history, but LFC is more than a football club, it is a creed for fans that have faith despite adversity. We must take pride in our past achievements but not live in the past. Let's not live in denial and blame, let's grow as a team that will achieve with the right Manager and eventually the right players but respect it ain't going to happen over night. Also. If you can't make some noise and support the team on the pitch then maybe it's time to relinquish the season ticket.

27 Oct 2015 11:32:29
I can't agree more with you Waro!

27 Oct 2015 12:13:25
Totally agree Waro, Klopp has a big job on but I am convinced he is the right man. I can't wait to see who his first signing is.

27 Oct 2015 12:28:46
Couldn't agree more Waro.
Klopp asked for patience himself in his first interview, he knows it's going to take a while, although I don't think top 4 is out of reach for this squad with a bit of luck, but won't hold him to it.

27 Oct 2015 13:08:06
Well said Waro. Those words of wisdom worthy enough doing team talks before our matches to the players mate. Oh by the way. The fridge needs re-stacking and bottles need washing for the next couple of months the amount of moaning going lol.
People need to bloody chill and let Klopp work his magic jeez.

27 Oct 2015 13:12:27
Agree with you Waro.
I wonder if some of the posters are fans from other teams who are trolling our page and posting stuff as a wind up, because surely our some of our fans can't be that fickle. ? Never mind.

27 Oct 2015 13:43:40
I agree of course, but everybody is saying this and I've seen very few people being inpatient and angry with Klopp but I still see these posts?

27 Oct 2015 14:13:34
Those who are bout to give Klopp grief for anything had better think twice because they will get what they deserve if they ever tried to do that on this forum.

27 Oct 2015 16:03:34
Well Said!

Fickle doesn't even come into it with some people.

27 Oct 2015 16:26:40
There definitely were a few posts earlier. They all expected an immediate improvement, and when that didn't come, they made comments.

27 Oct 2015 17:33:25
Agree give klopp time.

27 Oct 2015 18:09:15
As annoying as it may be, we will always get this. But if you look at the arguments supporting these comments then you can generally see that they come from those who are unable to understand the situation that is being played out.
Results are everything in football, but they don't always portray the true picture.

27 Oct 2015 08:32:02
Ed. What way would you line up tomorrow night? Go with youth because chelsea at the weekend? Mix youth and experience? or would you go with your strongest 11 to get that much needed 1st win?
Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - mix of youth and experience.}

27 Oct 2015 08:55:23
Cheers for the reply. And what formation would you go for? Wouldgo for the 4231 myself with ibe jct and origi behind benteke.

{Ed001's Note - I would stick with the same system as we have been using. Pointless changing it for one match.}

27 Oct 2015 09:12:55
ED01 you used to be 'stronger team on every game' guy, what happened to that? we are playing a PL side, Klopp would appreciate a first win, it is a potential trophy even if not a great one, I say let the best team play other than maybe the keeper.

{Ed001's Note - because I think we have players like Lallana that could be replaced by better players from the youth team.}

27 Oct 2015 09:49:20
Do we mix youth with experience against Bournemouth? Or do we keep on playing experience until they eventually find a groove and rhytm, and then tinker with youth here and there as part of a gradual process?

27 Oct 2015 10:02:39
I would like to see teixera given a run out and players of his talent fromthe youth team, but it is also important to have a strong bench as well just in case. I would maybe start benteke and if we are 2 or 3 goals up take him off because of Chelsea, firmino needs to start i think we all need to see what the lad can do and he has only had around 40 50 minutes of play so far so again first half and take him off.

27 Oct 2015 10:38:08
I would mix it with youth and experience but I also think a win would do us a world of good confidence wise.

27 Oct 2015 10:52:44
Texiera played against Bournemouth twice last season and produced two good performances, including an assist, in a poor Brighton side. Definitely get him on, if he's ready for any match this year he's ready for this one.

27 Oct 2015 12:42:43
I think coutinho should be rested. Ibe definitely should start. If he wants firmino to start against Chelsea then leave him out and play lallana. Milner Allen and teixera in the middle and rest can and Lucas. Can't really change the back four much, apart from toure, but I'd rather they just play together again and try and keep it settled.

27 Oct 2015 14:15:05
Lallana needs to up his game ASAP because all he does is run and offers no end product and can`t shoot nor pass the ball in rhythm to save his life.

27 Oct 2015 07:36:59
Question: will the club start looking at Sturridge's poor injury record and possibly put him on a "Pay as you Play" contract?

27 Oct 2015 08:21:38
Why would Sturridge accept such a deal?

27 Oct 2015 10:04:21
i can see him getting replaced never mind pay as you pay. but who will take such an injury prone player? wasn't his dad exactly the same and had to retire from football early on in his career?

27 Oct 2015 10:34:29
I'm not suggesting Sturridge accept such a deal but surely the club is trying to look after their finances. Either sell such an injury-prone player or alternatively put him on a Pay as you Play contract.

{Ed002's Note - You cannot simply change a contract.}

27 Oct 2015 06:25:29
Hey ed001

Sorry if you already answered this, but how well do you rate Brannagan? I saw his youtube highlights and he looks like a player. Would you class him as a no.8 or no.10?

{Ed001's Note - no 8 or no 10? What on earth does that even mean? I like Brannagan a lot, he is a real talent, but he is also a real talent that plays mainly as an attacking midfielder. It is going to be a real struggle for him to break through and I think that is the issue.}

27 Oct 2015 06:45:30
Well, a no. 10 is an advanced attacking midfielder just behind the striker, a no. 8 more of a deeper central midfielder who makes runs towards the box, e. g. Lampard.

He will only get game time if Klopp plays him in cup games as one of 3 CAMS in 4-2-3-1.

Speaking of 4-2-3-1, it's only made even clearer how much over abundance we have of CAMs. If we want to be successful with that formation, IMO we need genuine wide players on either side of that row of 3 behind the striker, yet the only options we have for those two flank positions, apart from Ibe, are all central-type players like Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana, whereas Milner is simply ineffective. We need at least Lallana to be sold. Don't understand recent hype for him being essentially ineffective.

{Ed001's Note - no they are not, that was never what the numbers signified. A no 10 was a forward and a no 8 was a central midfielder. Nowadays they mean absolutely nothing and are pointless as players have squad numbers. As for a 4-2-3-1, it really depends upon the variation, as you can play it in a number of different ways, not all involving attacking midfielders.}

27 Oct 2015 08:10:08
Fair enough.

I think this team needs wingers, for sure, especially with Benteke. Split the flank work between the wingers and the wing backs. Adds another dimension to your game. And preferably fast wingers too. I know you don't see as much importance in pace as most others, but I think it's very useful when you have players chasing for a waited ball, or dribbling through empty space. Pace gives defenders to things to worry about: technical skill, and also pace itself.

{Ed001's Note - pace is useful, but I would far rather see us move the ball around quicker than rely on it like teams such as Palace do.}

27 Oct 2015 08:24:10
If the players have better movement off the ball, that invites the player with the ball to pass quicker instead of taking 3-4 touches to pass, and pace is really something that does not have be an absolute must.

27 Oct 2015 09:38:08
It's not absolute must, but like I said, useful.

27 Oct 2015 12:45:20
Nowadays a number ten is ''in the hole'

27 Oct 2015 23:55:56
It is funny listening to Aloysius Paulus when he talks about the different roles in a team. Yes he can play as a nr.10 and a number 8. But he can also play as a number 4 or number 6 :) makes me laugh everytime. I though the numbers were there to recognize players, not what position they played.

26 Oct 2015 22:59:28
Hi eds,

It's common knowledge that we need to offload some players to try and balance the books. Would I be right to assume that Klopp knows we have to sell some players?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed007's Note - No, they're trying to keep it a secret from the manager and hope he doesn't notice players going missing from the training pitches in the coming months. Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag by the way... BIGMOOTH!!!}

27 Oct 2015 05:54:01
Best response ever Ed.

27 Oct 2015 10:00:42
Brilliant response. I did a proper belly laugh.