Liverpool Banter Archive October 27 2016

 

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27 Oct 2016 18:06:39
I'm more worried about the Palace game than the Utd one.
Palace are totally our bogey team.
I just know Benteke is going to bite us in the arse.
Hopefully we can shut down his service from the wings.
Anyway, Klopp continues to prove me wrong so hopefully he will do so again.

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27 Oct 2016 18:25:46
Yeah it's one of them games it's pretty worrying but going on this season we should do them. should.


27 Oct 2016 19:27:26
I'm actually confident, we've shown we can handle a bit of Pulisball.


27 Oct 2016 21:21:04
Palace have some quality players especially on the flanks and have 2 decent striker upfront and a decent midfielder unlike Westbrom. I don't know y people think this would be a walk in the park.


27 Oct 2016 22:40:27
We are a lot better this year.

Also Palace sold Dwight Gayle to Raffa at Newcastle.

For me he caused us big problems.
Raffa has a gooden there.

Cant understand why a prem club didn't sign him?


27 Oct 2016 23:20:57
I feel like that's been the case for the last couple of games to be honest, united are our bogey team out of the so called top teams, west brom are another bogey team and so are crystal palace of late, so its back to back bogey teams. I feel like, we are almost due a bad result if the united result isn't deemed a bad one, I won't say we will lose because I don't think palace have enough to score 2 goals against us and I think we will get a goal but I see a draw written all over this. The weird thing is i'm confident, and usually when I start getting confident about results, predicting wins and the way we are playing we start deteriorating.


27 Oct 2016 23:40:49
I have complete faith in Klopp's ability to prepare the team, why set yourself up for failure? Why are you even considering it?


28 Oct 2016 04:56:26
we have Matip, let's believe :-) BOOM!


28 Oct 2016 08:28:55
Why worry? We can outscore anyone.
They will be more worried about us.


28 Oct 2016 09:48:29
Fornax

No team sets up for a failure. Most of the managers presist with the winning side. Palace are physical and has pace on the flanks. We play throguh the middle and has never been good aagainst team who uses the width in the past.

Either we will smash them off the park with Padrew deciding to sit back and allow us the ball or we are getting bullied by their pace and long ball.


28 Oct 2016 15:06:39
A team is a bogey team if you let them. It is the inability of previous managers to adequately prepare and come up with a plan to neutralize the game plans of the lesser teams that have allowed for poor results against the WB`s and CP`s and the like. Klopp is trying to rectify this by preparing adequately for them. CP may have won at Anfield last season but Klopp got his revenge and won at CP with a goal and a man down n outplaying them to the hilt. That is a mental block that is being erased and we now know we can beat them. Same for WB, we should have put 5 past them with Klopp because he had prepared for them and they were soundly beaten (tho the scoreline doesn`t show that) . Klopp is gradually exorcising our demons and after a while, there will be no bogey teams. There will only be teams that we need to beat at a specific time.


27 Oct 2016 14:47:26
When Benteke left a lot of us made jokes about how we hoped he'd he be gentle with us when we played Palace, that day has come. Theoretically we are very vulnerable to the Palace system, genuine wingers can exploit the space behind our full backs and we know how much trouble crosses cause us. Therefore, and especially as we're away, do we make changes to counter this threat or do we play our standard set up with the expectation that we will score more than we concede?

My gut is keep it the same but if we do drop points hindsight will call us naive.

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27 Oct 2016 15:19:55
Cabaye to Puncheon or Zaha and then lump it to Benteke.
Palace is a decent team with some decent players. This one game is not easy by any stretch, I hope they sit back and allow us all the possession. If they press us, We will concede one goal.


27 Oct 2016 15:34:16
Just make sure matip keeps a close eye on benteke, we all know he's not going to do anything but stand around in the box anyway.


27 Oct 2016 15:50:52
I don't see us changing at all tbh. We'll play the same way we've been playing all season. I don't think it suits us to be more defensive, because instead of the crosses into the box being on the counter, they'll be crossing when we're static, and let's be honest, corners highlight our effectiveness on static crosses into the box.

I think the fact they play with width will suit us. They can definitely hurt us, but I don't see Zaha or Townsend as having the defensive nous or concentration to stop us causing damage out wide, with Clyne and Milner doubling up on the fullbacks.

We need to win that midfield battle because they'll be all over us like a rash early on. It's never an easy ground to play at, but can put a few past these for sure.


27 Oct 2016 17:12:54
Palace need to worry about how we play. I say keep the ethos that has led us to the top of, albeit fledgling, league table.


27 Oct 2016 17:53:03
Harry, why do you think if they press us we will concede? CP don`t play the press system and they are more of a counter attacking team with pace on the flanks, even at home vs a big team like us. Last year when we played them at their place, we went a goal down and a man down. Pardew instead of taking risks and winning the game, he played conservative and we not only came back, we won and we were the better team with 10 men. What does that say about Pardew? He`s incompetent, that`s what. CP will play counter attacking football and launch it forward at every opportunity to CB or Zaha and Townsend on the flanks. As for those who said Benteke always scored against us. be mindful that he always scored vs a team managed by, you guessed it, BR, a manager who who couldn`t be arsed about defensive football (still getting thumped at Celtic in the CL by the way and conceding for fun) . Now we have Klopp who is improving our defensive standing slowly but surely (as we barly concede free kicks) and Matip has dealt with every single aerial threat he`s been presented with. We`ll be fine, IMO.


27 Oct 2016 19:37:57
Hamilton

Jose never play pressing game and UTD pressed us while first half. A good manager identifies the weakness in the opposition team. Palace being at home in front of their crowd wouldn't sit back and allow us to dominate the ball.


27 Oct 2016 19:30:06
Matip has impressed me loads, he looks a real talent. He's handled everything so far and looks unflappable, he's a calming influence on the side and a bit like Hyypia.


27 Oct 2016 22:47:05
I think the idea is that if we play to our strengths then palace will have too much to deal with and our gegen press style should stop any counter attack well away from our goal.
Palace may play long and hope to score from a corner or a free.


27 Oct 2016 23:36:12
I have to agree, united game almost resembles the different struggles we face against certain defensive teams. Fist half, they where solid and resolute and pressed us in the middle of the park not allowing us to get any rhythem and if they used the width more and showed more ambition going forward they would have had more chances, possibly even a goal. that's how you expect a crystal palace team to set up. Second half, you effectively saw 10 men behind the ball parking the bus being very stubborn in defence and limiting us to relying on a piece of magic or luck which was saved, even though we had all of the ball.

Basically, palace will set up to try win the game, whereas west brom set up to get a point. So this game is more dangerous but it could go either way, they could overwhelm us and get a goal or two on the counter or a set piece early on and see out the game from there, or they could end up leaving themselves exposed, opening up the pitch for us to exploite them and score back to back goals. It depends on how sharp we are at the beginning of the match, if we play like we have just woken up, it could be a bad result.


28 Oct 2016 05:33:46
You're all making it very complicated. :-)
We win by keeping the ball. don't give them the ball, don't let them have the ball.
Harry them whenever they"ve got it. Pass and move when we've got it.
Finally score more than they do.
:-)


28 Oct 2016 07:44:16
Exactly redted. Essentially, You've got to hold and give, but do it at the right time. You can be slow or fast, but you must get to the line.
They'll always hit you and hurt you, defend and attack. There's only one way to beat them. Get round the back.


28 Oct 2016 15:10:00
We shall see, Harry.


28 Oct 2016 18:06:58
Pass and move its the Liverpool groove.


28 Oct 2016 18:35:31
Amen, Kate.


28 Oct 2016 23:56:37
Palace will 'exploit all our weaknesses' and we'll win 3-0 😄.


27 Oct 2016 14:49:15
What do LFC fans think of Mignolet's comment that he hopes the competition between him and Karius is a fair one. Is he insinuating that Klopp will favour Karius just because he is German?

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27 Oct 2016 15:03:54
My Thoughts are that although Karius might do well in the future we need a strong goal keeper for now.

Vorm didn't do half bad against us, second keeper for Spurs.


27 Oct 2016 15:20:25
No. He thinks Kaius is just as good as him.


27 Oct 2016 18:03:36
Nothing to do with being German! He quite clearly stated he hopes it's based on form and performance. Nothing to see here guys.


27 Oct 2016 20:16:10
Perhaps its because he knows certain fans have already made their mind up about him, and no matter how well he plays these fans will still want Karius in goal instead.


27 Oct 2016 20:29:35
Right simple way to look at mignolet.

If after 3 years he was rhw solid goalkeeper we need then he wouldn't be getting replaced in the team would he.


27 Oct 2016 22:56:59
Maybe this is Klopps way of giving Migs a kick up the arse.
From what I saw during the week it's working as I think Migs had his best game for us that I can remember.
If he wins this challenge with Karius and keeps on his toes we may have a top keeper.
It's all down to competition in the squad. No player now is un dropable.
And its working as our start to the season has been great.


28 Oct 2016 11:48:46
Our best keeper is at Huddersfield.


28 Oct 2016 12:38:25
Migs was still hopeless with any ball above head height during the week. Amazing how when players get dropped all their past mistakes get conveniently forgotten.
Migs has had every opportunity to prove himself. Karius hasn't. So until Karius has had that opportunity then Migs needs to keep his counsel and work hard in training.


28 Oct 2016 23:03:14
I agree 100% but in all that time Migs had no competition for his place.
The arrival of Karius and him being chosen as No.1 has hit Migs like a bolt out of the blue.
I hope he steps up to the challenge.
It can be only beneficial to the team.


27 Oct 2016 12:32:59
Is it rude that city are after clyne.

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27 Oct 2016 15:22:25
I was about to post it on the rumor page. Its shockingly funny He is the best defender in the league according to them and they would offer insane money for him. City don't have full backs and they would be in search for atleast 2.

On another note, Their flanks cost £100 mill in Sane and Sterling.


27 Oct 2016 15:37:21
Depends on what they want to do to him.


27 Oct 2016 18:18:08
Maybe we can take Aguero in part ex?

Suspect Jurgen may have a fullback replacement in mind already. and we might not need to look too far.


27 Oct 2016 18:25:16
that same clyne who has completely nothing in his locker? the only good thing i can say about clyne is he knows his limitations and always tries to give the ball to a better player.


27 Oct 2016 21:19:26
@wiseryan what a load of rubbish

Even when we're top of the league, the player bashing continues.

And yes, it is bashing. Nothing constructive just slagging off the lads.


27 Oct 2016 21:19:29
Be easy on clyne he's been playin damn well.


28 Oct 2016 01:58:51
Im happy with clyne, he's just a very limited player when it comes to actually attacking. I would prefer a right back that had atleast some creative spark. another player like milner would do to be honest. if city want to pay silly money for clyne, then take the money and run.


28 Oct 2016 13:34:36
Think the team as a whole are playing well and winning and everything is hunkey Dorey at the minute. However no one is safe from a bashing on here. Especially after a defeat. Sad really.


27 Oct 2016 10:30:12
i have to say one of my favourite developments this season is seeing Llanna turn into a really important player for us. having not been bothered if he were to go at the start of the season i feel the team really needs him. i think in years to come he and his Liverpool career will be looked upon with a fond and positive light.

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27 Oct 2016 11:06:17
I couldn't agree more, to be honest I was hoping we would've offloaded him in the summer because he did nothing for us, now it's a different story, Klopps made him a vital team member, fair play to the lad, he's really stepped up his game and is up there with mane, firmino, coutinho etc. top player and will probably only improve.


27 Oct 2016 11:16:21
I think we've got players who play well together and bring out the best in each other. I think Wijnaldum has helped.
Credit to Klopp for achieving this. Lallana has always had great technique.


27 Oct 2016 11:42:36
Yes Ron I must admit I like wijnaldum. He's turning into a top player for us, started slow but definately getting there.


27 Oct 2016 11:49:40
You could say he cruyff turned his career around. :/ at least I try.


27 Oct 2016 12:25:34
Agreed. there is a mix happening with each player complimenting the other with out there being an 11 of world class stars. feels like we have a team again. and again i was unsure about the acquisition of wiji, but again he is proving to be a vital component.


27 Oct 2016 14:16:34
I have a sneaky suspicion Can is about to replace Wiji in the first 11.


27 Oct 2016 16:06:17
Wijnaldum has not been a top player for us. Coutinho Mane and Firminho have and he's been nowhere near their standard.
Cans In ahead of him for me and I expect Klopp to keep the same starting 11 he started with at West brom that didn't include wijnaldum.


27 Oct 2016 17:03:39
I don't know if it's because of the number of games that they've played together or just a chemistry, but we are capable of beating any team that is in front of us, with that five of Firmino, Coutinho, Mane, Lallana and Wijnaldum. The movement and intercorossing of positions works seamlessly. Just the way I see it. Somehow it doesn't work as well when Can is in for either Lallana or Wijnaldum. And it certainly doesn't work as well when Sturridge is in for any of them. I'm not commenting on Can's and Sturridge's talent - that is very apparent and unquestioned. It's just how those 5 seem to play with each other.

In the end only the results matter. If Rodgers had played 5 attack minded players in midfield with no defensive midfielder, we would all have screamed murder. Klopp is doing it and most of us are screaming not to "change a winning team". Funny.


27 Oct 2016 17:42:00
^Klopp played a fit again can against West brom. We played well. Henderson had far more support. We were a lot more balanced. Wijnaldum is a passenger so the arguments for him are entertaining. No substance. Just wijnaldum looks a top player. Not one comment as usual outlining what he does.


27 Oct 2016 18:45:24
For me, I'm appreciating Wijnaldum more and more. He's nice and tidy with possession, moves the ball well, has a good engine, works hard and he's getting into positions to score. I thought against Spurs he was a real example to the young lads and stood out for a lot of things he was doing without the ball. I'm glad we have him.


27 Oct 2016 19:22:49
Wijnaldum and Lallana have been a great combination this season. I didn't think we were as threatening against WBA.
Wijnaldum has been a great signing so far and will only improve. Can't wait for him to get his first goal, the floodgates will open 😎.


27 Oct 2016 19:41:18
Wijnaldum is an offensive midfielder hardly supports his partner Henderson. Can is also in the same mould. Both doesn't have that defensive capabilities.


27 Oct 2016 07:44:32
Liverpool have started the process of combining the academy and melwood into one, I posted 6 months ago saying this would happen my company did the microclimate testing in all the training pitches and main building, funny that everybody who commented said it would never happen.

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27 Oct 2016 11:45:38
Got to ask Kloppers - what the hell is 'microclimate testing' in this instance?


27 Oct 2016 13:02:38
Microclimate Testing is usually done on skyscrapers or football stadiums to make sure its safe for people to walk around on ground level, I. E not uncomfortable due the shape or design of the building, some buildings when they are Hit with high speed wind force the wind down into a spiral that could seriously injure people on ground level, a lot of the reason buildings have canopies or random trees in front of there buildings is because this will buffet the wind and make it less stressful on what ever pedestrian is on the ground.


27 Oct 2016 18:44:37
Well you learn something new everyday. Cheers Kloppers.


27 Oct 2016 19:07:49
Nick, you should have asked, I would have told you that but given you a bit more detail!


28 Oct 2016 05:41:06
How many floors does the Academy/ Melwood have again?
What does Microclimate testing give me on a one or two storey building?
(Genuinely interested to know) .


27 Oct 2016 06:55:08
Liverpool vs Leeds will bring two of the best fan base in the country. Special Special occasion for Robbie Fowler. I ll miss some great names, Viduka, Kewell, Bowyer.

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27 Oct 2016 09:36:50
Bowyer - great name?


27 Oct 2016 11:02:35
Yeah Bobby him and Stephen McPhail lol.

Don't forget "you got Pinochio we got Dom Matteo". I remember when we sold Matteo ando brought in Thompson to work with Houllier as a kid, that chant made me giggle.


27 Oct 2016 14:52:04
Big game for Milner too.


27 Oct 2016 04:09:52
Yo ed001

It seems like as of now that Sturridge will be reduced to a bench role going forward. That leaves us to relying on goals mainly from Coutinho, Mane and Firmino, none of which are real strikers.

Do you believe that Liverpool can ill- afford to try and go the whole season relying on goals from advanced midfielders? Or has Klopp, I don't know, perhaps revolutionised the way you can score goals? Because this has been my only worry about the attack, it's virtually unheard of for a team to sustain prolific attack without the use of a recognised striker.

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{Ed001's Note - nothing revolutionary about it, a lot of teams across Europe have done this for years now.}

27 Oct 2016 06:33:51
I. e. succeed with false nines? Which teams? I think Barcelona did for a bit without Suarez or Zlatan, but that's as far as my knowledge extends.


{Ed001's Note - until recently, when the old fashioned centre forward came back into fashion, numerous clubs did so. Dortmund under Klopp played it regularly after the sale of Lewandowski to Bayern. Bayern themselves often used it with Muller playing as the false 9. If I could be bothered to look it up, I am sure I could come up with hundreds of examples, as it was extremely fashionable to play like that for a while.}

27 Oct 2016 06:46:57
City seem to be doing it right now with Aguero left out in the cold and Sterling or De Bruyne being used up front in certain games. Though that may be more down to Pep's stupidity than any meaningful tactics.
Aubameyang was no CF till Lewandowski moved to Bayern, and it seems to have worked out well for BVB.
Son at Spurs has excelled in the NO.9 role in spite of being a wide player. Sanchez at Arsenal also doing much better without Giroud.
Does not look going forward for out and out strikers, especially at the top clubs.


27 Oct 2016 08:32:12
Probably the best example I can remember is Luciano Spaletti playing Totti as a false nine in 2006/ 2007.


27 Oct 2016 08:42:13
Spain did it for a while too.


27 Oct 2016 09:45:08
Arguably Firmino and Mane are as clinical as many 'true' strikers, and with Coutinho, Wiji, Llalana all capable of 10 goals a season behind them I'm very comfortable with Firmino upfront.

I've always thought Sturridge does better with two upfront and seemed to be the case against Tottenham. I think our plan B should be Sturridge/ Origi upfront as a strike pair, particularly if struggling to score late in games and need a bit more height in the box.


27 Oct 2016 09:58:04
We won't have the leagues top goal scorer in the squad this year but I fancy us and arsenal to have the most players with 10+. Firmino, coutinho, lallana, mane. Milner already has 4 then we have Sturridge and origi ready to chip in.


27 Oct 2016 10:36:28
In fairness, you can't beat a good striker that bags you 20+ a season. Normally the title winning side has that - think with the exception of Citeh a few years back where Yaya bagged 20 (think Aguero still got 17 though), most title winning teams have that player.

Let's hope we get both - midfielders getting 10+ and strikers hitting 20+!


27 Oct 2016 10:38:45
Absolutely den and zimbo

I'm not really interested in having a league top goal scorer, we had that before and rely too much on 1-2 players, we're in a good position when we have the players we have banging them in left right and center. I'd rather have multiple players able to score then just the one. Our attack at the min is dangerous to every single defence in the league, i certainly can't complain with the tactics been used this season!


27 Oct 2016 13:12:56
Title winners typically score at least 75 goals. If Sturridge is going to permanently be a bench player, then we're asking each of Coutinho, Firmino and Mane to score at least 20 goals each. That's 60 goals all up. The rest will need to be pitched in by Sturridge when he can off the bench, Origi when he can off the bench, our centre midfielders, and a few from defence. I'm just a bit uncertain because we've never seen either Firmino, Coutinho or Mane score at least 20 goals in a single season. They're our most advanced players, therefore they're the players we are relying on the most for our goals.


27 Oct 2016 14:35:34
Sorry what?

Same logic would be applied if Sturridge WAS in the starting line up. If we needed 75 goals and could only expect 15 total from midfielders, defenders and substitutes. Then we would still need 60 goals from Coutinho, Sturridge and Mane.

Realistically, where the goals come from makes absolutely no difference. All that matters is that the team is scoring more than the other team, if that is happening the most when Sturridge is not in the starting 11 then so be it.

BTW I think Sturridge is a fantastic player, and still think he'll be massive for us this season. He is great at getting through on the keeper and putting chances away. But this approach struggles against teams who sit deep, and consequently we as a team have struggled against these. Now we have two approaches, and his is still really effective against the right teams, as he showed on Tuesday.


27 Oct 2016 14:53:56
Well put joe.


27 Oct 2016 15:08:05
As much as i love firmino he is not as clinical as Sturridge.

Sturridge would have scored from one of the 3-4 chances firmino had against west brom.

Firmino however give you all out action tackles pressing so its a difficult one.


27 Oct 2016 19:46:37
I believe we will rue not having a 20+ goal a season striker.


{Ed002's Note - Welcome back Chris. I love it when you speak French to me.}

27 Oct 2016 20:23:13
I like words Ed, in any language. I like to think of myself as a fairly cunning linguist.


{Ed002's Note - lächelndes Gesicht.}

28 Oct 2016 01:10:20
Forgive me, maths is not my strong point, always been a much better writer.

So on the other hand, we'd have a regular goal-scoring striker in Sturridge, and he nets us 25 goals. That leaves 50 for the rest of them to make up. 10 from Coutinho, 10 from Firmino, 10 from Mane. That's 55 goals now. The remaining 20 can be easily scored by Origi, central midfielders, and defenders, bringing them to 75 goals.

But instead, much more of the goal-scoring burden is being placed on the front 3 attacking midfielders, players whom we've never seen score 20 goals before.

Don't get me wrong, I have confidence at the moment in them achieving that, considering how many opportunities they create for eachother, but I'm also just a little bit uncertain, that's all.


 
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