Liverpool Banter Archive September 27 2015

 

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27 Sep 2015 20:38:50
Just a question about pundits, are they warned not to be too harsh on managers?I can't believe some of Rodgers purchases, team selections and interviews are not given more grief.Some of his excuses and stats border on delusional!

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{Ed039's Note - On certain shows and certain broadcasters the pundits will be given notice of certain subjects that they can not discuss)

27 Sep 2015 21:53:26
Thats right of free speach for you. So disheartening to hear stuff like that

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{Ed007's Note - I've known the press up here handing their questions to a the chairman and manager to be vetted before it was decided what questions were ok and which weren't, they would then hand them back along with a list of questions he wanted to be asked if they weren't included. If you stepped out of line or printed anything you shouldn't have you were banned from covering their club but if you toed the line you got unlimited access to players, VIP treatment on matchdays then flew to the owners Jersey home for lavish meals where you were fed 'the most succulent lamb and the finest red' along with the owners fantasies about £350m casinos/hotels & floating pitches - not to mention the plans to sign players like Robbie Fowler and Batistuta.
To this day it is known in Scotland as 'Succulent Lamb Journalism and it's still as rancid as it ever was.}

27 Sep 2015 19:23:54
I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe bogdan would be better in goal than mignolet. Lot of posters don't like mignolet and I'm not convinced either, but I know nothing of Bogdan other than what we saw the other night in the cup.

Linked with Valdez in the papers. Surely we can attract a better keeper than that.

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27 Sep 2015 20:07:54
Valdes is a pretty good keeper, bro. Be positive :)

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27 Sep 2015 21:40:51
Valdes is a woeful keeper who got lucky at Barcelona. He flaps at anything that come across his penalty area, he has no idea how to parry a shot out of danger, his only pluses are that he can kick the ball better than Mignolet can.

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27 Sep 2015 22:22:14
When has Valdes been a very good keeper, Dwarf?

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27 Sep 2015 19:07:48
Ed 002. I respect your opinion and your insight on football but I can't agree that all supporters spew hate overs owners, manager, players etc.

I have always supported LFC through good and bad times. However, you can't blame fans for losing faith when they've waited so long for success.

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{Ed002's Note - I didn't say "all". Try finding someone to explain the words to you before whining.}

28 Sep 2015 06:53:02
We got three points and great to see Sturridge back with a bang , onwards and upwards lads .

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27 Sep 2015 17:57:26
Great site eds and love the podcast! Just had a quick question with all the talk about a new manager just curious on how you assess the squad as a wholes capability?

Personally think we have a lot of really talented players, but despite being talented seem to have a lot of players that I can't see working together.

Know we need depth and a but provided we have a fully fit squad are certain players who'd expect to start and can't see how it would work? Eg: (firminho third most expensive signing in lfc history, benteke second most expensive signing in lfc history, Henderson captain, Milner highest paid player/vice captain, coutinho probably pest player, and sturridge IMO our best striker).

I just wondered if you see a way it could work, cause I can't? Always support the team but last few years seem to but good players just not where needed. for example missed the last few games but from what I heard looks like sturridge and ings work well together, but can't see benteke being benched due to the price tag

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28 Sep 2015 08:31:47
Good Post Ronald-Dinho,

I personally think that's where the problem has been where BR has tried to fit them all into a team and its failed - There is nothing wrong with having a squad that competes for positions - Football has been that way for decades - For instance I think were at our best when we play the diamond BUT i would also drop benteke for Ings at the moment - Not that he's done anything wrong but has been unfortunate with an injury and Ings has come in and done a good job so it would now be on Benteke to get that place back, Firmino - Let him compete with Coutinho to get into the 10 role he wants to play, Of course you then have lallana and Ibe to think about but that now allows us to have a different formation - albeit it hasn't clicked or worked just yet but an option nevertheless. Lucas at the bottom of diamond, Henderson and Milner either side with Coutinho in front and Ings and Sturridge up top

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27 Sep 2015 14:18:45
Hi eds
Do you know if the owners have thought about replacing the transfer committee that clearly ain't working?

Martlfc

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{Ed002's Note - Changes were made last year. The fact that a number of Liverpool supporters can't stand the Liverpool players is simply the Liverpool way.}

27 Sep 2015 16:11:22
Absolute beef eds! Transfers have been liverpools biggest issue in recent history. Loosing fantastic players and replacing them with weaker ones. Alonso, mascherano, Suarez the list is ridiculous.

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{Ed002's Note - In your twisted view you mean - we know the Liverpool players are hated by large numbers of fans. Week after week all we see is Liverpool fans spewing hate over the owners, the management, past and future players whilst they stroke themselves thinking about Suarez who did more harm to the club than any other individual.}

27 Sep 2015 17:50:04
Ed2 is spot on.

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27 Sep 2015 20:01:27
Ed02 is in many ways right, i won't argue with that, but i am not so sure that our supporters are that different from any other team supporters, especially ones who have a beautiful history and were use to winning many trophies. i think we are a little bitter about it not being the same now and we need someone to blame on an instant.
I am not moaning at supporters here but i think this may have something to do with it.

ED01. Ed02 one quick question if okay? speaking hypothetically, if Klopp has said he will gladly take but only if owners get rid of transfer committee etc, do you think the owners would fail to budge?

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{Ed002's Note - I really can't answer questions like that sensibly.}

27 Sep 2015 20:15:05
Yes ed some people take it too far but that's football support for you. And you can't say its not justified in some cases when liverpool have consistently ballsed up in one form or another since souness was manager.

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27 Sep 2015 20:28:53
Your comments .............

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27 Sep 2015 21:16:45
Ed002
Take you point about supporting the players, but at what point do you accept (as a fan) that a number of the players are just not good enough. Do you just watch in blind faith with some players that the manager has made very poor decisions over (and it's not the players fault that the manger has made the misjudgement) ?

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{Ed002's Note - It is pretty much every player - even before they join the club. Benteke is a good example now. Ings another.}

28 Sep 2015 02:01:02
In general I agree with you Ed02,but it's a club running low on trust. That and the keyboard warrior culture, it's a tsunami of cynicism. The bulk of the vitriol will subside once the fans sense a measure of a game plan is in place. We don't knock the main stand development? It was planned and executed. With BR, the talk has overtaken the walk, so anything and everything is questioned. Even players who haven't played unfortunately.

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28 Sep 2015 08:34:56
As supporters you support the club and the players regardless of how they play, how good they are etc - that's what a true supporter is, Just think by bashing them what good does it actually do in all seriousness?? But IF as fans we were to get behind a player as soon as they got on the ball that would instantly give them confidence, Understand that football is frustrating of course it is but we are still supporters and there to support

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27 Sep 2015 14:19:11
Hi eds, you seem very sure that we are not even considering Klopp.
Can you say who IS being considered?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Macca said that the club has spoken to Ancelotti.}

27 Sep 2015 15:25:36
When Kenny Dalglish was sacked, Klopp was linked with us and openly but respectfully told us via the media that he wouldn't be interested. He was at the time employed by Dortmund though, so that may have changed now.

The thing is though, there are people with genuine knowledge on this website who have stated on numerous occasions that Klopp is not a target and we have not made contact, or words to that effect.

Ancelotti is the big name we've seemingly spoken too. Macca has supplied the information and Ed002 has stated that there is no reason to question it.

Take it as it is and please stop trying to be clever by asking the same question over and over again with different wording.

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27 Sep 2015 15:35:30
Ed002, if I could, what is your opinion on them approaching him? Assuming the rumor is correct that is. Is it poor form to approach a manager while one is already employed, or is this something we see often in football?

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{Ed002's Note - I have previously answered this TJ.}

27 Sep 2015 15:03:45
Long time since I have posted . what we have got to remember here is IF we can get Ancelotti or Klopp they will attract the right type of quality players ( not quantity ) as is the present transfer policy. Secondly, even if we won the next four games, the CV of the two targets is far superior than Rodgers' will ever be . you simplify replace average with class.Let's be blunt about it . if Sturridge wasn't playing yesterday, it is likely we would have lost . you don't win anything with a poor goalie and average defence.

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27 Sep 2015 15:34:28
Obviously assuming that Ancelotti will have 'Full Say' on transfers? Because it's plainly obvious that BR doesn't. Comparing Ancelotti and BR is like night and day but, if the Committee is also a prerequisite for our next manager then I think we'll struggle to get who we want.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to go backj and read everything I have said about Ancelotti.}

27 Sep 2015 15:42:46
Willie mate I had to log in, so that I can totally agree with your post.
My only concern is that FSG don't want to buy experience, and pay the high wages that go with such players.
This isn't me having a dig at FSG. It just might not be the way they want to go.

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27 Sep 2015 16:20:31
Phooey, thanks for the agree.The problem we have is FSG want buy young and cheap and sell high.You need experience and replace with experience . all the good teams do this.We only buy cheap experience Milner Traore etc and our experienced players aren't our best players which some of them should be . perhaps Mr Ancelotti may change their mind

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27 Sep 2015 16:37:30
300 mil isn't cheap. Not much wrong with the players other than we have too many for the wrong positions and not enough quality where we need it ( keeper, CB) The issue is compounded by a manager that has absolutely no idea have to use them. A couple of tweaks from a new manager who's know how to manage a football team and we will be genuine top 4 contenders every year.

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27 Sep 2015 16:43:54
i think both klopp and ancelotti will be fine without having the final say for transfers, as they have done in the past.

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27 Sep 2015 20:07:09
I'll be very surprised if we got Either. It's dark times for Liverpool ATM and well, we can only hope

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27 Sep 2015 13:46:37
can i just state we have always been the same in buying players. yes, buying good, mediocre, talented players then we make them into world class players, hence barcelona, real madrid and chelsea taking our world class players.

what we made them to be it's just since the yanks took over us. we started going more and more down hill, even more with fsg, taking medicore managers, hence we've gone down hill since rafa went.

so until we get a world class manager or proven manager, we're just going to be what we are, that's a fact

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27 Sep 2015 20:19:57
Our players always seem to leave because the club let them down, as far back as fowler. Usually management is to blame but in some cases it can be to things like contracts or financial situation.

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28 Sep 2015 07:17:59
So how did the club let Torres or Mascherano or Suarez or Owen down?
I don't agree with that. Players leave for a variety of reasons and we should not look back, just accept it.

As for buying players, Suarez was a world class player before we bought him IMO. He hadn't had the same exposure and he had disciplinary issues in Holland. But his record in Holland was world class and he had all the ability when he joined.
Torres was always highly regarded, he had just had a quiet spell in Madrid before we signed him.

I disagree that we've always signed mediocre players. We've signed a few but we've also signed some true world class players. Some haven't worked out - like Litmanen - but still world class players

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27 Sep 2015 13:00:20
Hi ed01 would like to pick your brains on a few things. One of the most worrying things for me now about rodgers is that due to the pressure he's under, he has stumbled upon a team, formation which has produced a few goals and looked better. What he will do now is stick with this team until we hit another rocky patch. The problem he has now is this will not include 60 million pounds worth of bent eke and firminio. He has no idea how to integrate them into the side and risks isolating new players like he did last season. The team will not be changed due to fear and ibe lallana will sit it out. Don't get too excited though the run won't last as he still insists on playing 3 at the back with can who got found out there last year and is still making mistakes. The good thing for supporters is the longer now he stays in the job the higher up the table we go, bad results return and he will be gone. My only wish is that when he does go we are still with a chance of top four and still with a chance in the cups. I can't get my head around his conspiracy theories either. Can a reporter not mention his failure last season and a mediocre start to this. The fact that everyone else is so poor this season is helping him. If we only had a decent coach we actually could have won the league this season. Thoughts ed

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{Ed001's Note - My worry is his comments are getting increasingly asinine, with him quoting ridiculous stats about how many shots on goal we have had, while neglecting to mention the vast majority of them came from over 40 yards vs a League Two side. His constant denigration of the playing staff, past and present, in order to claim that his own failure was not actually due to him. I am sick of the constant buck passing he does. I support Liverpool FC and what is best for the club, he is not even close to being good for the club, let alone what is best for it. He has no tactical insight whatsoever, repeatedly fails to analysis the opposition or his own team effectively and still keeps spouting the same crap in press conferences lauding mediocrity.

He is the worst Liverpool manager of my lifetime, which included Souness and Hodgson, so it takes some doing to take that title. I am in full agreement with Souness on this being an idiotic appointment of a no mark manager (to paraphrase his recent comments on TV) that should never have happened.}

27 Sep 2015 13:26:29
But he nearly won the league, haha.
Can you imagine Shanks or Paisley saying that as a positive?
For me, the club doesn't look to have a plan or direction.
We continually buy players and then don't know where to play them. We continually change the team, formation and tactics more in hope than expectation.
And the captain of this rudderless ship is a bumbling idiot.
That NEARLY won the league, hahaha.

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27 Sep 2015 13:31:44
I agree with Ed001.

A while back, some posters here argued that what Rodgers says (most of which is absolute BS) has no impact. But because of his constant BS, nobody now trusts him and the fans all see him as a disingenuous personality and that will have played a part in the supporters losing his trust.

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27 Sep 2015 13:40:36
Couldn't have put it better myself Redheaven!

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27 Sep 2015 14:13:19
Spot on, Ed! Don't know if he's the worst LFC manager in my lifetime but I will say he's the most disrespectful, dishonest and irresponsible manager in my lifetime. At least Roy had some honour and respect for the club and never said a bad word about us when he was unceremoniously but deservedly ousted. BR is a true piece of work. He would throw his own mum under the bus just save his image. Disgusting attitude!

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27 Sep 2015 15:03:06
I don't think he is worse than Hodgson but he certainly runs him close.

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27 Sep 2015 15:12:45
Hodgson is the only Liverpool manager ever that was genuinely scraping about in the bargain basement. His tactics were awful, no doubt about it but no one can argue with the lack of investment when he was in charge.

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27 Sep 2015 16:19:21
Yeah I think in hindsight Irish Rover, you're probably right. Had Hodgson actually had a bit of money to play with, we have seen better signings instead of the likes of Konchesky, Poulsen and Jovanovic. Although I think I'm right in saying that Jovanovic was signed by Rafa on a free transfer before he was sacked? I remember being excited by that signing as I thought it was the guy who destroyed us in the champions league that season, Jovetic.

I still don't think that Hodgson was the right appointment though, he was never going to be a long term solution at Liverpool.

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27 Sep 2015 16:28:03
Hi eds0001, did souness really say that about Rodgers? I remember him saying something about square pegs and round holes when talking about Rodgers use of players and their position.
Is Rodgers statement about the "conspiracy" include what souness said?

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{Ed001's Note - I was paraphrasing, he was very scathing of FSG's decision to appoint a manager who had won nothing, especially to replace the greatest legend in the club's history.}

27 Sep 2015 20:18:11
Hodgson was never a Liverpool type manager but he is not a bad manager IMO. Remember he had no money to play with and awful owners who did more to ruin club than any manager including BR.

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27 Sep 2015 22:15:47
Hodgson was an absolutely rubbish manager for LFC.

If you need proof, look at the season he was in charge.

First half of the season, 20-odd points, then Kenny came in and had the second best record in the league.

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28 Sep 2015 01:22:12
You do realize ron that Rodgers has got less points than hodgson in their last 17 or 18 games i think with 200 timew the investment

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28 Sep 2015 07:23:39
Reet, it's not the point I was making.
We've had people re-writing history saying Hodgson wasn't that bad and he had no money.
He was rubbish and the proof is there for all to see. You can only really compare like for like. Kenny had virtually the same squad he just changed Suarez and Carroll for Torres and Babel.

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27 Sep 2015 12:53:34
hahahahaha still can't stop laughing at a quote I saw yesterday that I've put in a previous post
'oh dear he's gone full Hodgson, you never go full Hodgson' hahahaha

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27 Sep 2015 14:13:40
He's worse than Roy.

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28 Sep 2015 07:23:56
Roy was a lot worse.

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27 Sep 2015 12:16:39
Just a few points. We are LIVERPOOL! So I don't get why people are saying that certain managers won't come to us. We spent on transfers, we have history, and we do have a fairly good squad.
With the right manager, we should be back in Champions League.
I'd also like to know how good Klopp really is? He did well with Dortmund, but then a season or 2 later and they struggled. Now saying that he lost a lot of key players is not the answer, if we can't say the same for Rogers losing key players as well.
Anceloti seems like the best bet now.

Watching games last night, it made me realise, that the BPL does not have the super stars of the past. We have the 30 - 50 million players, but we lack the 50-90 million players that other leagues have. Now I know that these players are few and far appart, but other than Aguero, I can't think of a player that's realistically a 50+ million player. And the 30 - 50 million players that are in the BPL, are a few million pounds higher than what they would be sold for to other leagues.
Which 1 of the top 6 in the BPL do you feel would realistically challenge for the Champions Leauge title?

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27 Sep 2015 12:34:19
Chelsea. They have the manager, the squad and the experience.

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27 Sep 2015 13:14:24
Klopp had one difficult year with BVB in 7 years. That is a blip and nothing else. He won trophies, challenged Bayern and beat them to the title twice and reached the CL final. You really cannot be questioning his credentials in any seriousness IMO.

This "we are Liverpool" mantra only works for Liverpool fans. Others might feel differently and I wouldn't use that so arrogantly to put forward any case. I agree however that we have responsible (but error-strewn) owners who will make money available and will do things the right way and the main area of LFC that is lagging behind is the sporting side.

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27 Sep 2015 13:20:02
We are Liverpool - a team that many moons ago won many trophies, paid top wages, recruited the best players (well, sort of) and had fans that would sing and stand behind their team.

At one time, we had a stadia that competed with the best, had talent that graced the turf of the top grounds in Europe and had the 'Liverpool way' of dealing with the press, transfer targets and other clubs.

Laugh at this all you want, but the new Fifa matches our team to other teams with similar ability and stature, and you would be suprised at the outcome. A true awakening yet harsh reality.

We are Liverpool, a wonderful club but with the arrogance of expectations which far exceed our abilities. The sooner we all realise this, then the sooner we WILL climb back up the rankings.

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27 Sep 2015 13:36:00
Nonsense. I would argue that this arrogance and this holding on to the past is part of the reason why LFC are stagnant. I don't need to explain this because it is pretty obvious.

The sooner people who work at LFC realize that they need to re-build some of this lost reputation, the better.

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27 Sep 2015 14:16:20
There is nothing to be gained by holding on to the past and LFC have shown that. Stop this self entitlement attitude that has got us nowhere fast. Our reputation is in the tank and the manager's disrespectful and dishonest comments and conduct in the public eye and within the club is not helping matters

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27 Sep 2015 16:31:53
Going to the point the OP makes about player quality in this league and giving price ranges as a sign of quality.

There are plenty of players that I would consider high value currently and many more that could be in a couple of years. We've already seen a couple of players move to or with in the Premier League for £50 million or more(at least reported in the media to be), such as De Bruyne and Sterling, also isn't Martial apparently up to £56 million or something with the add ons? So I don't really see what your point is personally.

Just because Messi, Suarez and Ronaldo are all in La Liga doesn't mean we don't have super stars here. Many of the players here would quite easily get into the top teams squads around the world.

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27 Sep 2015 20:00:57
My point about the value of players, is that once a player reaches just over the 50 million range, there's a good chance he will be moving to real madrid or barcelona. Which means the bpl doesn't have the buying(or staying) power they should have. Even our bigger players are generally "rejects" from other leagues. I'm not saying thet are not good players, but as soon as they reach the next level, both in playing ability or in marketability, they move on.
And for the "we are liverpool" part of my post, it was to imply we still the best club in the world. It was to imply we not the worst! We still should be able to compete. A manager or player saying he wouldn't come to a side that's not in champions league is rather silly, because realistically, that's why we want them, to take us to the champions league.
Its not arrogence, its a fact. We still capable of putting together a squad capable of top 4. We've spent on a squad, and we will do what it takes to get there. So a manager or player should realise that by trying to get a better manager, or better players, its for us to get back competing with the best. So why not come and do the job?

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28 Sep 2015 09:13:26
"We are Liverpool"??

The club will always be special to fans, of course.

But in reality, the club is going downhill. It has been going downhill for a long time. We have such a large legacy fanbase from the 70's, 80's and 90's that the decline has been somewhat obscured.

But things seem to have accelerated recently.

Our transfer dealings involving other clubs, our handling of players, our youth development, our PR, our inexperienced owners and their mysterious "advisors", and our disingenuous and inept "pass the buck" manager - none of this has helped.

Particularly painful for those of us who remember when we were the best club in England, with the best players, the best coaching setup, the most trophies, and the best reputation.

It could be worse, of course. Look at Forest or Leeds.

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27 Sep 2015 10:17:17
Our next 4 games are very testing

Everton (a)
Spurs (a)
Southampton (h)
Chelsea (a)

Eds, if we only take a couple or 3 points from these games do you think Rodgers will be gone? Just your opinions please.

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{Ed001's Note - no, though it really depends on how badly we lose in that respect, but it is highly unlikely 4 games will change anything.}

27 Sep 2015 11:28:12
You mean change anything in the sense that he's already gone or that it will not influence FSG decision either way. I mean 4 wins would persuade the naive FSG into giving him much more time I feel. 4 losses should do it, even by their standards. So yeah, that's got to change something. Otherwise why wasnt he sacked in the summer if a few games couldn't change it for him, or on the flip side why haven't the owners come out and backed him. It actually does seem like they are calling it on a game by game basis.

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27 Sep 2015 12:16:10
Maybe they wanted Carlo but he was unavailable until December?

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27 Sep 2015 10:01:40
The arrogance of the man is outstanding to quote him,
He mentions that with Danny back we had the quality needed to score goals yet with 300 million quid to spend he's had the funds that we needed to make sure we were never light when it came to quality and replacing a man when he's injured,
He's had a pop at both the fans and anyone in the media who has turned on him quoting some 'conspiracy' how much of that had he discussed bringing up in public with Motson before he decided it was something that needed saying?
we can all do conspiracies they're easy to concoct but we're all better off dealing with facts.
Under Rodgers we've never had a back four or a keeper worth its salt,
Under Rodgers we've had one good season where he HAD to accommodate Suarez and Sturridge and go AGAINST his principles and system,
Under Rodgers we've had nothing but nonsense talk in the media, almost as if he's trying to be the next Bill Shankly with all his deluded talk and spin,
Under Rodgers regardless of some peoples spin on net spend we've pretty much blown 300 million on a squad that is only really capable of challenging for place number four at best, is it better off than Everton? Tottenham? even West Ham now have a number of players I'd take over ours and this from the very same man who thought he'd ridicule Spurs by saying with 100 million spent they should be challenging for the league, well we've done 300 million so what should we be winning? the champions league?
The absolute cheek and arrogance of the man to now after ONE yes ONE win against a team in the doldrums and a team who are probably going to be in and around the bottom 8, to start crowing on about what's wrong here and how one player gave us quality after conceding two goals to inferior opposition again is nothing short of unforgivable,
Ive got to be honest here I have wondered for a while if for some reason he'd be happy with his pay off to sort all his personal nonsense out because unless the man is the ridiculous mouth on legs we understand him to be then I don't really see what else it could be,
I read somewhere on a forum yesterday after the post game press conference a fan put 'Oh no! he's gone full Hodgson!, You never go full Hodgson!'
Correct, the toys have left the pram and the dummies been spat out, let the face rubbing commence!

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27 Sep 2015 10:17:57
Excellent post my friend. I wake up every Morning wishing and praying that today's the day the charlatan leaves our club. Yet we have to bear with his egotistical comments weak after week. I don't know how much more one can bear.

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27 Sep 2015 10:28:54
Spot on mate!

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27 Sep 2015 11:19:41
Top post, I reckon the vast majority of Liverpool fans would agree.

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27 Sep 2015 11:50:35
Any manager that has sold players or been without players for one reason or another would of found it tough, with the likes of Suarez sold, Sterling sold, Sturridge injured, Gerrard end of career. That is a lot of quality gone.

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27 Sep 2015 12:04:56
300m spent you should be challenging for the league, not scraping wins against Villa or getting thrashed by West Ham. How can you support this guy ahead of the club?

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27 Sep 2015 12:12:52
Full Hodgson, you never go full Hodgson ha ha

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27 Sep 2015 12:17:09
But mighty he has not lost them without funds to replace them, are you serously saying a manager cannot replace any of those players having spent 300m. My 5yr old probably could mate. I just don't get your point!

I understand you want to buck the trend and support mediority but please don't insult us while trying to do so.

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27 Sep 2015 12:18:58
What it proves is that you can't replace quality with quantity.
It also proves that it takes time to build a team and you can't just sign players and slot them in.

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27 Sep 2015 12:25:25
Yes mighty a lot of quality gone and replaced with ? Easy to sum up the whole bodgers fiasco. Liverpool 's captain is a a player BR didn't want / tried to swap/ sell! Our vice capt is a free transfer who been at the club 12 weeks? So he doesn't believe in any of the squad really does he? He needs to go pronto before he cause any more damage. Conspiracy? The mans deluded. Turning melwood into a prison camp

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27 Sep 2015 12:39:14
But our recruitment as been wrong for the last twenty odd years, so it's not just Rodgers its the whole recruitment process.

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27 Sep 2015 12:51:12
But that makes no sense mighty, did we not recruit sterling, suarez, gerrard and co, your argument is flawed. Which rafa was in charge we recruited torres, mascherano, alonso, reina et al some of the best players in the world at one time or another. I just don't get what you are trying to say.

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27 Sep 2015 12:56:38
Don't know how you can say that mighty? So the reason we are crap is because Roy Evans failed with his transfers 20 yrs ago. Can you put that in writing for BR to use instead of the usual we lost Suarez crap

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27 Sep 2015 13:02:36
Roy Evans actually used our academy players too 😆

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27 Sep 2015 13:12:24
Ron you might want to tell that to West Ham and Billic. He seems to have signed players and they've hit the ground running. More pathetic excuses for your mate the Fraud.

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27 Sep 2015 13:26:12
I'm not making excuses. I'm not saying who was/wasn't responsible for recruiting quantity to replace quality.
I'm merely making the point, you can't replace quality players with a stack of mediocre players.

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27 Sep 2015 13:32:37
Ron I totally agree whoever our manager is the recruitment process needs to get better, but no doubt we are not allowed opinion on these pages.

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27 Sep 2015 13:38:16
I understand the point you are trying to make, but you cannot simply just see everything so abstractly. At this level, things are connected.

You cannot replace quality with quantity but that shouldn't be looked in isolation. The man charged with replacing that quality (and building a team) is Rodgers and he screwed up, and is still blaming others for it.

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27 Sep 2015 13:46:23
I think everyone knew that Ron apart from Rodgers, for the last 2 years we 've all been saying on here that 3 top quality players will make all the difference but every year we blow another 100 mil on 9 or ten players so we can send them out on loan. If we had bought 6 top players in those 2 years we would be challenging (with a decent manager )

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27 Sep 2015 14:28:54
You can have an opinion mighty but its flawed and people are merely pointing it out. Its up to you to rebutt their arguments, don't whine about it.

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27 Sep 2015 14:38:20
Time was no matter what we payed for them when they moved on it was always downwards.cant really say that with regards BR. All the players he let's go seem to flourish? Bar agger

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27 Sep 2015 15:18:44
If our recruitment was spot on then we would of won plenty of trophies over the last twenty years, argument won I know.

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27 Sep 2015 15:52:13
In the last 20 years we have won 4 league cups, 2 Fa cups, 1 uefa cup and 1 champions league. I can't see us winning a scooby with the Fraud in charge however

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27 Sep 2015 17:51:59
Essexred equals mystic meg.

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27 Sep 2015 19:14:21
21 agrees and not a single disagree. Seems as if no one is bothered too defend hi anymore. And he still believes it is a small sect plotting a conspiracy 😂

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27 Sep 2015 19:42:13
The OP makes an excellent post. As for Mighty and Ron, you are of the same ilk who keep making excuses for BR to the point of desperation. The OP made great points and described BR's tenure to a tee but since you can't rebutt his points, you now post senseless comments that cannot be taken in a vacuum without connecting it with the full picture of his tenure. The last two summers, he said he needed top players yet each time he's been given 100m to get said top players, he's bought 9 and 8 players with no top player nor our GK issues being addressed. I guess your boy will blame little old me for his failure to get the top players he is craving for like he's known to do. Quality players sometimes cannot be replaced. Sometimes you have to reinvent the team and work around the loss of say, a Suarez which needs astute coaching acumen which BR is bereft of. Did Fergie try to replace CR like for like? No, he didn't because he knew he couldn't. What he did was reinvent the team and the system which still got them being competitive and won PL's as well. So Ron and Mighty, I just debunked your senseless post of difficulty in replacing quality.

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27 Sep 2015 09:47:27
Like him or loath him, the one undeniable fact about Brendan Rodgers is his poor utilisation of players. Why, oh why does he insist on playing players out of the position they've played-in all of their footballing lives!?
Can is not a defender. Gomez isn't a left back (and in fact would make a great centre back if played there). He played Ings on the left side of midfield a couple weeks back. Markovic at wingback?! What's that about??? There are countless examples. Perhaps it's me? Could someone please shed light on why he repeatedly does this?

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27 Sep 2015 10:29:23
It happens a lot with all managers and usually it's a sign of desperation. Rafa did the same too. It's one of the signs they are about to lose their job in my observations.

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27 Sep 2015 12:39:04
But Rodgers has been doing it for years and is still here Ron.

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27 Sep 2015 13:18:11
That's the thing no one understands. Why not spend 300 mil on players to fill the positions we needed?? He has no excuse for not having one of the best squads in Europe let alone the epl, he just doesn't know what to do with it. Our team when he first started would probably beat our team of today.

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27 Sep 2015 13:21:33
If Rodgers sticks with this 3-5-2 formation, and if he stays beyond November, we will have a serious problem on our hand. Moreno and Clyne are naturally a good fit for this wing back roles, but if either of them gets injured, who steps in? Enrique will not play for LFC again and I think Flanagan will not be fit for a while yet. I won't be surprised if he goes and plays players out of position in case of an injury to one of the full backs.

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27 Sep 2015 13:28:39
Has he really been doing it for years?

He did it about 10 months ago when he started playing Markovic/Ibe out of position and it was an open secret that FSG were evaluating their options, Rodgers admitted he feared the sack then. Other than that I don't really see it.

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27 Sep 2015 13:49:16
Ron how about the countless games he played Lucas out on the left to accommodate gerrard? I'm a big fan of Lucas but he's mediocre at best in that role. Why put our best DM on the left? All it did was make us a static team It defies belief. Why doesn't he see this?

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27 Sep 2015 14:00:22
What about Sahin ron? Didn't he leave because of that? Or trying to shoehorn Gerrard in dm while we had a class one in lucas in thw wings or Sterling as a striker when it was clear he could only finish once in twenty.

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27 Sep 2015 17:06:31
It depends whether you class playing a midfielder who is attacking in a defensive role as being playing players out of position.

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27 Sep 2015 19:47:56
Ron, can you simply prove what these posters are saying wrong with your own valid arguments instead of deflecting with placing labels on mids. The bottom line is that BR has been playing players out of position since he got here. He played Hendo at CM, WG, RM, DM since he got here and he continues to do that. Those are the facts. Can you debunk that or will you again offer senseless gibberish?

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27 Sep 2015 09:19:28
Good day Eds and fellow Reds, quick question. I recall Rodgers blaming the Anfield turf (amongst many things) last season for not assisting his game. Do you know if it was re-laid during the break, as it looks in pristine condition to me this season.

Pardon my ignorance!

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{Ed001's Note - I had to check, as I was pretty sure it was not relaid in the summer due to the work on the stands, and yes, it was not relaid in the summer, but is set to be relaid next summer.}

27 Sep 2015 09:49:13
I think Rodgers has been smoking the turf!

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27 Sep 2015 10:00:56
Thanks Ed001. Sorry to put you through the trouble!

Guess the grass does look greener after 3 points.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries mate, it was a good point, I am sure we are only a defeat away from a whine about the pitch.}

27 Sep 2015 09:26:23
With Gerrards book out and Rogers under pressure are we starting to hear bits of what they actually thought of each other? We all know Gerrard wasn't a fan of Rogers no matter what was said in public.
Also who do we reckon Rogers is talking about when he mentions people conspiring against him? I think ex players have too much to say sometimes but I can't really see it having any influence at board level.

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27 Sep 2015 10:52:01
With ex players it's all about Liverpool and how they progress, it's not personal. It just happens to be that there is no tangible roadmap after three years and countless millions spent, hence why they make the comments

With BR it's all about BR not liverpool. .

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27 Sep 2015 11:10:28
guess it depends on the ex players - Carragher and Gerrard lived Liverpool their entire playing career, they are desperate for the club to succeed so aren't going to just be talking about personal issues.

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27 Sep 2015 19:51:26
When you are so weak and have been found out like every politician, you start blaming the media and "conspiracy theories" which have nothing to do with your coaching abilities or in this case, lack thereof.

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27 Sep 2015 09:17:52
Yesterday confirmed everything we all know already

- BR reverts to 3 at the back when his favoured system is failing (see last few games)

- we need to play 2 up top (especially at home)

- Sturridge is our best striker by far

- Ings works his socks off even if though his finishing is not that good and is not a winger (see the new kuyt)

- Sakho is better than Lovren and good on the ball but shocking in the air (weak and 50p head)

- Can is not a defender, he naturally wants to push into midfield

- all out creativity comes through Coutinho but he is still so wasteful

- after 3 years our coaches still cannot teach Mignolet to catch the ball

- BR cannot coach how to defend and shut up shop

- Villa are terrible under Sherwood

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27 Sep 2015 10:11:35
We should always play 4 at the back with Lucas holding midfield and start Bogdan to motivate Mignolet. Coutinho needs to shoot less and Sturridge should play with a strike partner. 41212 or 4222 are our best options as we have no out and out wingers.

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27 Sep 2015 11:21:38
Scouse_Pride, Migs does not need motivation. He needs replacing. None of our keepers are good distributors or leaders, which are essential for GKs of all top teams. U cannot expect Migs or Bogdan to improve at this stage. They have developed fully and this is how it will be for the rest of their careers. Personally, i would sell Bogdan, keep Migs as 2nd choice till Ward is ready, and sign a top notch GK to be first choice.

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27 Sep 2015 11:32:23
Yeah, that's spot on.

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27 Sep 2015 13:52:38
How much of our keeper problem is their coaching, as didn't Reina mention something about it when he was going through his slump?

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27 Sep 2015 08:46:10
Hello everyone I've got a quick question regarding Brendan Rogers. Has the decision been made to replace him or could a run of wins save his job? Also if Brendan Rodgers does end up getting the boot, who do you think is most likely to end up the Liverpool manager. Thank you in advance

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

27 Sep 2015 08:05:03
Rodgers deserves the chance to at least finish the season with this team. He has had one good full season and one poor full season so why can't the fans just get behind him up until May and see what he can deliver?

Let's be honest Klopp and Ancelotti are pipe dreams and will have far more attractive propositions that suit their stature offered to them, heck Guardiola may as well be linked with the Liverpool job as gullible supporters will eat it up. There isn't many top managers out there at the moment (especially foreign managers) who will drop down from a worldwide renowned club to a more regional club.

Get behind Rodgers he may just suprise some of you!

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{Ed001's Note - one good, two poor full seasons.}

27 Sep 2015 08:22:53
As much as you dislike rodgers ed1 I think he's stayin till end of season mate.

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27 Sep 2015 08:23:24
His first season was more of a bedding in period Ed001.

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27 Sep 2015 08:28:48
Comes from the man who criticizes Van Gaal on the smallest of topics 😂😂😂

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27 Sep 2015 08:32:14
That year was down to Suarez and Sturridge

I remember the Norwich game, Norwich were playing really well and looking the most likely when Suarez smashes the ball in from 35 yards then proceeds to score 3 more.

Rodgers got lucky with Suarez and then to have Sturridge as well to a certain extent as well Sterlings pace in behind those 2, team couldn't live with it.

I hate everyone saying that year was down to bodge because it just wasn't.

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27 Sep 2015 08:52:28
OG wasn't Sturridge a Rodgers signing though?

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27 Sep 2015 08:58:14
I don't understand the term 'deserves', he is not a soldier that a commiittee should decide if he deserves an award. He didn't make us any favour that he deserves anything. it is us the fans who deserves something, we deserve better. He is already the seond longest serving manager in the PL. Managers in the PL earn reidiculus amount of money and they keep their job if they do an amazing work with their teams justifiying the money they get. If not, they go pretty quick and someone else get a chance. BR is the first LFC manager to not bring a trophy for three years and we will nt win one with him evenif he stays for 20 years. for three years he wasn't able to stable our defence and us going forward also look rubbish more often than not. We always break down in big games and very often against poor teams either.He spent as much money as the top 4 and more than some but he is one of the worst buyer of players ever to make transfer decisions in any team in the PL. Players can't find their form under him and then tehy go to other teams and start to score. He is not inspiring in anyway. Under him mroe starts will leave if they have a chance to play elsewhere.As an LFC supporter watching the team became unberable every 9 out of 10 games.

Re Klopp and Ancheelotti, don't talk for them. There were many indications that klopp is willing to come and same with the Itallian. But if not anyone is better than BR.

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27 Sep 2015 08:59:46
What evidence have you seen over the last three seasons and a bit that he has learned anything and will improve as you say. One win against an exceptionally poor villa side does not wipe away the abysmal end of last season and utterly uninspired start to this.

How long can he live on the excuse of suarez, so far he has blamed the players for not having enough quality who he spent 300m on and has now rounded on the fans. Whos next to blame, the melwood chef for not serving his favorite fishfingers at teatime.

This so called regional club has won the champions league 5 times, a top manager wiĺl come if approached correctly. I think he will stay for a season but not because he deserves it but because the owners gaffed and will have to live with him until a suitable replacement can be found.

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27 Sep 2015 09:05:55
A bedding in year? I would have seen a reasonable argument if he still wasn't trying to bed-in, in his 4th season in charge. All of these are just very vague arguments to condone the mistakes of the failure that is Rodgers IMO.

Over the course of these 4 seasons, I have had ample time to judge what he is all about, and I cannot trust see him turning LFC into a regular CL team. He has been afforded more time and given more money than most mangers in world football can only dream off at a club like Liver pool, and he spends his time criticizing everything from the players, to agendas, the Anfield pitch and even now, Luis Saurez's exit.

I no longer have the confidence in Rodgers nor do I believe a word of what he says.

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27 Sep 2015 09:07:17
OG So when Man U won the league with RVP scoring for fun was that lucky. And Man C when they won it with Aguero scoring at will, was that also lucky. The way you are putting it managers are lucky if they good players. Don't make sense to me

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27 Sep 2015 09:14:01
No red, by Fergie proved it year in year out without RVP.

You missed the point mate or what?

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27 Sep 2015 09:16:24
I heard Sturridge wasn't a BR singing mighty, club signing I'm afraid.

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27 Sep 2015 09:17:22
Red 64 well yes they were lucky to have players in form and scoring, the difference between them and rodgers is they knew how to organise a defence too and they actually WON something.

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27 Sep 2015 09:24:30
At the end of the day for Suarez and Sturridge to play that well the manager got the best out them and utilised their ability. Rodgers is the man for Liverpool at the moment and like I said above I honestly don't think a top manager would be willing to come to a club like Liverpool with its transfer committee ruling the roost and the supporters living off expectations of League wins from decades past yonder.

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{Ed001's Note - only a Man Utd fan could possibly think that the clueless blame passing buffoon was the right man for Liverpool, and, just to be clear, that is what you are. So I will ignore this nonsense as just a blatant wind up, as it must be.}

27 Sep 2015 09:29:29
Ultimately every manager's time runs out, some just last longer than others. Rodgers isn't improving and there is only so much you can blame on Suarez being sold. A good manager will adapt to what he has not just try to keep recreating. Also he never learned from that season or from the likes of Keegan trying it that trying to score 1 more than the opposition by just putting everything into attack is how you finish second. You win by having a defence for the days when the goals don't flow. That was 2 years ago and we haven't improved the defence and one of the main liabilities, Skrtel is still an automatic first choice.

He has gone as far as he can BUT more importantly at the moment we have a squad that can achieve. If we leave it another season outside the CL then the chances of getting a manager who can phone up the likes of Hummels and Reus and be listened to by them are gone. Equally the likes of Coutinho will be on their way. A big name manager with the ability to produce with a good squad (which is what we have) can get better names to come in January and produce the culture/reputation we need. Another season of relying on someone in the top 4 winning a cup to get into Europe and you can kiss goodbye to a top manager, top players coming and our best players staying. We will become a selling club for real.

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27 Sep 2015 09:53:31
Red I'd generally agree with that principle but it was amazing how quickly Rogers went back to his 4-3-3 and target CF approach with Balo, Lambert and now Benteke all recruits post Suarez departure indicating he never really liked that system or tried to replicate the style of play.

Even now it's obvious to most that 2 mobile forwards makes the most of Coutinho and Hendo/milner in midfield, but even though we've seemed to have figured that out at last I always get the sense we're just a game away from Rogers trying something stupid again due to his ego or mental gymnastics.

I'll never begrudge Rogers since that 13/14 season was extraordinary and you can't completely discount his role in that, but I think it's clear that the 13/14 year is not his preferred approach, and also that he's been out strategised multiple times since Suare left by the likes of the hammers, crystal palace, Villa, let alone Chelsea man Utd. And he doesn't have an style of play that's actually been proven to work for us long term. I think it's time for someone else to have a go.

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27 Sep 2015 10:36:14
I'd be surprised if he lasts until January.
Reports say Carlo won't be available until December but we have some tough matches before then and a relatively easy December.
IF he lasts until January he must have had some good results. He will need to sign a world class keeper in January in order to sustain any upturn in fortunes.

I really can't see it happening, but we live in hope that LFC keep winning.

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{Ed001's Note - wow Ron, you have really changed your tune of late. Can I ask why?}

27 Sep 2015 11:03:41
Last 2 weeks or so. It's not that I want him to go, I'm ambivalent about that. I do want Liverpool to win every game and that means the manager is successful.

2 things have happened to make me think the end is nigh. One of the player's uncles comes to the matches with us. He doesn't give out info or anything like that, I don't think he nephew really knows much at all (about anything 😄). But it was at the West Ham game. We were all mouthing off after the game and he just blurted it out that the players know Rodgers is off. I was sceptical because to my mind that was our first bad result of the season, so I wrote a long rambling post on here basically criticising all the squad for their attitude and application.
However, I've seen it for myself and taking in ALL the performances this season, I just have a gut feeling that the players know.
Add Macca's info into the mix and it all adds up

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27 Sep 2015 11:12:52
Surprised people are rushing to say we need to sign a keeper - we've got 2 premiership level keepers. We know the first choice is at best a mid table keeper, would be useful to see where the other stands first.

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27 Sep 2015 11:41:52
That actually sounds believes and certainly feasible. I think it just shows the state of the matters when Rodgers biggest supporter realizes his timw is up

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27 Sep 2015 12:20:40
Ron why are you ambivalent, are you happy with mediocrity then?

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27 Sep 2015 12:23:07
Haha maze top banter mate, i always wondered why you didn't give moyes another year in charge but instead just sacked him after a 'bedding' in year. and not even a whole year. mighty disrespectful if you ask me. that man deserved so much more for what he did for utd

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27 Sep 2015 12:40:20
JB - I'm ambivalent because I don't really care who manages the club. I'm not into personalities, I just want the team to win and entertain if possible. So if Rodgers stays until the end of the season or goes at the end of November, I'm not too fussed.

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27 Sep 2015 15:46:14
You say you want the team to win but you're 'ambivalent' whether a man who had won 17 points from the last 16 games stays . doesn't make much sense but then you're a Rodgers apologist so you're not likely to make sense!

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27 Sep 2015 19:56:41
Ron, if you don't care who manages us then why have you been on a one man crusade since the spring and summer blatantly defending his indefensible failures by making up every single excuse on earth?

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27 Sep 2015 23:12:17
I think things are adding up too, Ron! We only played well against Villa, because they were a poor side and it was two defensive errors (again) that allowed them back in it! We should really have won that match by a cricket score, not nervy (in the end) 3-2!

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27 Sep 2015 04:22:19
Hi Eds,

I would like to not alter the winning combo or atleast striker combo as it first time we scored more than one goal.

It is most likely that Benteke gets in. But ings play style look very much like suarez with his runs, hard work, first touch and improved link up play with sturridge, although he is way behind his quality.

I have to mention that he took no 10 shirt at burnley.

When both of them played upfront, there was always goal threat. I think only goals can reduce the loss percentage in current liverpool situation.

Do you still think Benteke will get the node. ?

Thank you.

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{Ed001's Note - yes I do. When fit I expect him to return to the line up.}

27 Sep 2015 03:50:23
With his job on the line BR went back to a pressing game we have all been hoping for. Haven't seen it since the Spurs game early last season.
Still has to go.
I have to say that both the Dannys look good together. And I have to admit that at the time of signing both, I didn't think they were right for the club. How wrong I was!

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27 Sep 2015 09:08:39
So Rogers was right on some things then

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27 Sep 2015 03:23:37
According to Sunday Express, Liverpool hierarchy is split on whether to keep Rodgers, hence Ancelloti and Klopp were contacted.
Carlo has said that he is not available till December. Klopp though can be immediately picked up should he agree to manage Liverpool.
Also, BR claims there is a conspiracy " out there " to get him fired :), guess somebody told him about this website.
So people beware the plot has been discovered.
Long live the revolution!!

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27 Sep 2015 07:51:12
Not sure if the vast majority of Liverpool supporters constitute a 'conspiracy'. This site is one of many where fans are venting their frustrations.

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27 Sep 2015 08:22:20
Om the conspiracy note really i haven't seen a bigger idiot than br. He looked nervous as hell before the match one victory by one goal margin over a poor team and suddenly there's a conspiracy. Just proves that tgis man needs to go asap. Sadly it won't happen aa soom as we'd want

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27 Sep 2015 08:55:27
He's back to his old tricks of speaking without thinking. Using the stats of City & Chelsea to somehow make out we are doing ok so far this season, as they have lost more games than us? Jaysus

Also, only 5 points off the top of the table? He's a spoofer, I'm no football expert, but even I can see the endless mistakes he continuing to do. Can is not a CB, 3 in defence is just not working, even if we won yesterday or not.

I agree Reet, he has to go, he lashed Spurs for spending £100m and not challenging, he's tripled that, and we are nowhere near challenging

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27 Sep 2015 09:18:44
He didn't use the stats at Chelsea and City to say we were doing ok. He used them to say that the managers of those 2 clubs were not being criticised as much as him. You on this occasion are twisting the facts to suit your post

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27 Sep 2015 09:37:59
The managers of chelsea and city have both won league titles cups and a few ucl(mourinho)!! Bodgers is a chancer that is out of his depth

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27 Sep 2015 20:01:21
Red64, why is he using the plight of other coaches who are more successful than him, to make his pathetic case? You only do that as a smokescreen to divert attention away from his dreadful record. There no conspiracy theory. He is poor and is being called out on his BS, end of.

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27 Sep 2015 01:41:24
Wouldn't you agree Ed anytime managers start talking about conspiracies and agendas, your time is coming to an end? He sounds so much like Hodgson did towards the end of his tenure, paranoid and deluded.

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{Ed001's Note - I hope so.}

26 Sep 2015 22:04:28
Hi ed001

I used to like mignolet but after going to a few games have done a complete u-turn and I just don't see how he is good enough to play for us, what do you make of him these days & who would you go for to replace him?

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{Ed001's Note - I never have rated him, even at his best he is not good enough for us. His positioning is poor and he is so indecisive, dithering over crosses he could easily catch that then turn into difficult flaps. Also he very rarely tries to catch, which annoys me about the modern day keeper. English keepers used to be the best because they always looked to catch while we would laugh at the foreign keepers tendency to punch and put their team in danger. For some reason nowadays English keepers are copying that bad habit.

As for replacing him, we should have signed Begovic or Trapp a while back. Now I am not sure who I would go for, maybe Zieler.}

27 Sep 2015 05:43:16
It seems like every time he punches (more flaps really) a ball it goes pretty well right to the penalty spot. Would be nice if he could at least punch it anywhere else.

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{Ed001's Note - I just wish he would catch the ball.}

27 Sep 2015 07:52:49
Regardless of the manager situation, I think Mignolet and Skrtel are two players LFC need to replace as soon as possible with better players.

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27 Sep 2015 08:44:46
We need a stronger spine in this team.

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27 Sep 2015 08:52:05
It's his distribution as well. Almost every time he plays the ball it ends up with the opposition putting our defense back under pressure. Decent shot stopper but his all round game isn't 'top 4' standard. We need an upgrade.

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27 Sep 2015 02:44:01
Positive result today, I thought Ings looked bright, his movement allows both sturridge and Coutinho to express themselves. Coutinho looked much better with the variation of runs off the ball, without those runs he tends to be a bit wasteful with long range shots. Today proved that we have the players but we've been lacking a manger that can get the best out of the players available. A change is needed that's for sure.

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27 Sep 2015 01:18:24
Don't see why if Rodgers wants to play 3 at the back (which i don't like) why not play Gomez? He's quick comfortable on the ball and he's a defender which sometimes helps when playing as a defender

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27 Sep 2015 04:03:39
Brendan and common sense do not exactly go hand in hand. Expect Can to play at CB while Brendan is around. Hopefully the new manager does not make the same mistake Brendan has been making.

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