Liverpool Banter Archive August 28 2014

28 Aug 2014 21:29:47
When is lalana fit to play?

In a week or so, unless he is brendaned.

28 Aug 2014 21:07:43
Jack Robinson gone to QPR. Best of luck lad.

Is that a loan or sale

{Ed002's Note - He's been "Brendaned" and sold.}

This Brendaned thing is getting out of hand now. Any idea why Sterling and Flanno weren't Brendaned? Wouldn't happen to be because they were good enough by any chance?
Jack Robinson was a decent player but sometimes it's best for both parties. I believe Ibe will get his chance after his loan.

28 Aug 2014 23:06:36
No manager is perfect and all of them make many mistakes but there's not many could have done a better job than Brendan has done at Liverpool during his time here. Awesome manager. The next step is to start adding silverware but one step at a time. He's young, getting better all the time and he has been very significant in giving us a team we can be really proud of again.

Every manager struggles to give youth a chance when the pressure to get results is so high. Brendan has done better than most in giving youth a chance also.

28 Aug 2014 23:13:06
Robinson just isn't a champions league player right now and the coaches and manager obviously thought he won't reach that level and so have made the decision to let him leave.

It's a good move for the lad and will mean he gets game time. Wish him all the best personally.

Brendan Rodgers is the best manager we have had since Dalglish the first time round. It's astonishing how you can let the Ed wind you up so easily. Ed 2's main hobby is scouser teasing! Isn't this common knowledge? When did life get so serious? Come on guys

28 Aug 2014 20:46:01
Delighted with that draw, basel will be no walk in the park and really looking forward to the madrid games. Tbh do not know anything about the last team in the group and assume they will be well organised and technically good so again no walk over.

Disappointed we have not bought an accomplished defensive midfielder as its clear its why we are struggling defensively. It does not take much for teams to walk it straight through the middle and we will be terribly exposed in the cl if our coaching team does not sort this out asap. Hopefully Can will step up to the play assuming Rodgers shows some cahones and drops gerrard or moves him further forward if he cannot bring himself to do it or alternatively let lucas play in his best position!

Ludogerets have a CB who can save penalties quite well (when a few yards of his line). That is what yesterday taught me.

28 Aug 2014 19:39:42
Was just looking at the potential for a European hangover in the games after the CL ones (based on the fixture list so far). There are a few tough ones in there:
Ludo Home 16th Sep next game 20 Sep West Ham United away
Basel Away 1 Oct next game 4th Oct WBA Home
Madrid Home 22 Oct next game 25 Oct Hull away
Madrid Away 4 Nov next game 8 Nov Chelsea home
Ludo Away 26 Nov next game 29th Nov Stoke Home
Basel Home 9 Dec next game 13th Dec Man U away

We should be able to rest the main players against Basel though as we will have qualification wrapped up by then, then we can give united another good hiding.

Lets just hit the ground running and if we can get a draw against Madrid at home we could have 7 pts and you normally need 9/10 to qualify .so hopefully if result go our way out of last 3 games 1 win could be enough

To be honest MIKEY, we can rest them for the United game too!

29 Aug 2014 05:14:26
If your honest you would say they fall fairly well. Only Chelsea and United we should really worry about, but Stoke and Hull are better sides recently.

28 Aug 2014 18:43:47
Hi everyone,

Was just wondering about the Champion's League draw - any idea why we couldn't be drawn in group FSG when pot three was announced? There were no english teams in that group.
Only A, B and C were in the pot.

Obviously not complaining, just wondering

thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The algorithm will no doubt be available on the UEFA web site.}

Clubs from the same association are split into half. Either A, B, C, D or E, F, G, H for tv coverage. Hence, two English clubs in ABCD and another two in EFGH or one French club each.

28 Aug 2014 18:30:30
When are the fixtures announced
Wanna fulfil a lifetime ambition and watch a game at the Bernabeau

{Ed002's Note - They will have been sorting them out immediately after the draw. The club will put them on the web site soon.}

28 Aug 2014 18:19:03
Evening all, I hope you're all as happy as me with that group. The biggest team in the world, a great chance to qualify and Real are there too ; ).
Anyway forget trivial things like the Champions League Draw I have a far more important issue to resolve. The Mario Balotelli tune. to the the tune of D-I-S-C-O by Ottowan

Super Mario
Super Mario
Super Mario
Super Mario

He is M, magical
He is A, animal
He is R, remarkable
He is I, incredible
He is O, oh, oh, oh. .Super Mario

I think its got potential.
There is also a less flaterring version should his antics continue but that's another post!

Were not cheer learders

28 Aug 2014 21:33:49
Ha ha,quite like that

29 Aug 2014 02:41:26
Dezyboy some of us may in fact be cheerleaders, and if not we may just like to practice!. . darn, where did I put my Pom poms.

A cheer leader is simply someone who inspires others with chants and support. How are we not cheer leaders?

28 Aug 2014 17:49:41
Pleased with that draw! Could have been worse. Looking forward to see how we do against madrid

28 Aug 2014 17:42:11
Very good draw in my opinion, nice to get real madrid as it is a good test for us and will be nice to have a big European night at Anfield again! Other two are probably the best we could have hoped for which is good and at least there are no big mid week trips to russia or ukraine!

28 Aug 2014 17:40:44
CL Group:

Real
Basel
Ludogorets Razgrad

Good draw. Gives us a good chance of qualifying and an 'proper' European night against Real before we leave the group stage.

28 Aug 2014 17:38:58
Think that was the perfect draw for Liverpool. It gives as good an opportunity as was possible to go through but we also get the big game of Real Madrid. Really looking forward to the Tuesday/Wednesday nights.

YNWA!

28 Aug 2014 17:16:46
hey eds maybe a stupid question what do you mean by players getting "brendaned" any examples?

{Ed002's Note - Search engine or #WonderDogSparky on Twitter.}

29 Aug 2014 04:44:54
I think she uses "brendaned" in reference to players (younger ones mostly) who have had their chances of playing limited due to new transfers.

It's just Ed002 having a joke.

{Ed002's Note - Or a kick in the balls. I am pretty sure Ed002 is a serious (and particularly good looking) guy.

29 Aug 2014 05:04:40
So Ed002 really is wds

{Ed002's Note - That is obviously not true is it. WDS appears on Twitter. I appear in real life. It is like the difference between Top Cat and Bob Dylan.}

28 Aug 2014 17:05:27
I don't want no EASY draw I want what ever this competion can throw at us and that's that! Nobody wil fancy playin us at home on a wet cold Tuesday Wednesday nite!
C'mon the pool!

28 Aug 2014 15:52:01
Hi Ed 1 if your about, I know this is the hot topic just now about all the buys and the youngsters but do you think this is all down to brendan rogers not giving the youngsters a chance and instead buying ready made players, or is it a collective thing within Liverpool FC to have done this, I completely agree with what you have said about youth getting their chance etc, but I can't see FSG spending like this again surely? Do you think they may have panicked with being in Champions league this season and in their eyes not having the depth to compete in all the cups and league? and I guess if this all backfires brendo will be gone then were is that going to leave lfc?!

{Ed001's Note - it is a collective thing, but Rodgers did want players so he would not need to rely on the youth players.}

28 Aug 2014 15:28:38
With most of the players in now, can we assume that we are done bringing players this window or are we expecting any surprises?

28 Aug 2014 16:37:31
Surely if you're expecting it, it's not a suprise?

28 Aug 2014 17:58:27
I once expected to be surprised. No surprise was forthcoming, which surprised me because I expected a surprise. Therefore I was satisfied because I received a surprise. Which meant I was not satisfied because I was not surprised. And thus I entered an infinite loop and became one with the universe.

28 Aug 2014 14:37:54
Have to laugh at united getting linked with blind, 63 million on 3 left backs ^^

Rojo is primarily a CB and blind a CM/CDM, get your facts correct.

How much have we spent on midfielders?!

Rojo played centre back for Sporting, although a useful left back. And Blind is deployed as a DM at Ajax I believe. But again can be useful at left back. Although hugely overpriced for them three players, all good additions for them.

They got bent over for di maria, paid double what he is worth imo but they will improve under van gaal who I rate as a coach. they are lucky to have money to spend because they really needed to get in players, felllani and mata were both overpriced imo and both were players they did not need

Good buys or not, I don't care about their signings, but I think only shaw is a natural LB

28 Aug 2014 14:19:45
Rodgers should try Can in place of Gerrard. I'm not criticizing Gerrard, but I think our most solid midfield wouldn't include him, at least not in DM. We played our best football last season with Lucas, Allen and Henderson. Of course we missed the iconic 'Hollywood' passes, but their ball retention and pressing was up there with the very best (watch the game against Cardiff).

Emre Can needs to gets used to the league first, then improve his positioning.

We played our best football with lucas allen and hendo?how many games did they play together for you to make this up

3 games (Tottenham and City away, Cardiff at home). Not enough tosay we played our best football for a long while.

28 Aug 2014 18:47:43
I don't think the issue is playing Gerrard as a defensive midfielder. I think it's doing it for every game! It's fine to play him there in games where we'll dominate possession, but games where we need a better screen in front of the back 4, he's not the answer as he's often found wanting positionally.

28 Aug 2014 14:00:05
I quite like it, but perhaps Super Danny rather than Supper Danny? Surely he doesn't eat that much?
RDL

Haha yep I totally agree. Sometimes I can come across as anorexic, I get my B's and D's mixed up to Lol. No seriously I noticed that as I read it also. I have no idea what I was thinking at the time. That was a mistake I used to make at primary school. You'd of thought I would of learned by now.

28 Aug 2014 13:52:43
News coming from various media sites that Liverpool have 'been given the green light' to sign Eder Balanta? Any truth to this

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what that means.}

28 Aug 2014 14:28:36
lols. Is Ayre in the middle of a road?

28 Aug 2014 13:41:35
Danny Sturridge song, trust me, get 45,000 doing this after he scores would be a sight to behold. . . .

Let's all have some courage,
and dance like Danny Sturridge,
Na, na, na, nah,
Na, na, na, hah.

28 Aug 2014 12:54:10
Sick of all this talk of youngsters not getting a chance, rubbish! Rodgers has given plenty of youngsters a chance, more than most premier league managers, some impress, some fail! It is up to them to impress the manager when given the chance and grab it with both hands, as gerrard, owen, carragher etc, did all them years ago, as sterling is doing now, flanno too at times! Peterson couldn't cut it, suso, teixera and ibe will get their chance at some point, as will others and it will be down to them and nobody else! Simple!

{Ed001's Note - yes your post is rubbish. Utter and complete nonsense. Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Teixeira impressed, then got dropped back down to the stiffs, how is that giving youth players a chance? Smith was given a run out, completely out of position and again got dropped straight back down to the stiffs. That is paying lip service to the cause of youth, not actually giving them a chance. By the way, Carra did not impress when first given his chance in defence, most fans were on his back until after he was shifted to centre back. Flanno has only impressed since being given a long run in the side while we were short of cover. Now we have gone and signed that cover, will the next lad get a chance?}

28 Aug 2014 14:20:01
Yes and all the title winning sides do that ed (sarcasm). maybe 10-15 years ago but we have the ambitions to go one further than midtable. I know it's hard to swallow but the youth system in England has fallen behind and money has made it impossible to get back to what it used to be. So giving youth a chance, isn't in the best interest of the owners because schooling people does not win you the title anymore. It might have done back in the day. If you want to give youth a chance just take a look at united at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - rubbish. Utter and complete lack of any knowledge of the game. We can't compete with City. End of. Not on a level playing field. The only chance we have is to improve the youth development and allow us to have a long term capability of matching them. People like you, with their short sighted wanting to win tomorrow will destroy the club. We can't afford to spend like we did this summer. We have already borrowed lunatic amounts of money from FSG to finance the club up until now. It can't continue. We have to look to youth to build a long term future. Idiotic saying that the youth system has fallen behind while talking up exactly the reasons why it has fallen behind.}

It is very hard to give youngsters a chance Chelsea have a good system the way they loan them out but they rearly bring them true Chelsea have a good way of signing young players to improve them and sell at a better prices

IMO Texeira was simply not given a fair shot. After the fulham game, the lad should have at least been given 25-30 mins in the FA cup tie against the Gooners, think BR missed an opportunity there to see how he would perform against high quality opposition.

I don't see Suso getting a chance. He's not made the bench even last 2 games and I don't see that changing given Balotelli and Lallana will be in the squad shortly. Probably best for the lad to leave, if I'm being honest.

The unfortunate reality is that BR is under a lot of pressure to get CL again and neither supporters nor owners are particularly patient these days and willing for a youth player to have a handful of not so great games before they start to show their talent. The days of kids coming up through the ranks into Liverpool are mostly over, I think, bar the rare obviously exceptional talent.

That would be BR's man management skills Ed001. he comes up with strange things like that. Remember Skrtel, Enrique, Downing, Henderson, Sterling etc going through the same.

As for Suso, I am in complete agreement that there will be little to no chances for youngsters this year. This is why I was hoping for a a new deal and loan for Suso and a loan for Ibe while people wanted him to stay as "cover".

Chelsea do not have a good system they had 20+ players out on loan last season I'm sure they'll all be in the first team this season or have they all been Chelsead? Which btw is a ridiculous phrase

28 Aug 2014 12:48:40
Transformed, re-born and totally face lifted. Liverpool now can no longer look to excuses that the owners aren't financially supportive enough, our manager has been trusted with seven digit figures in order to take us to that next level & has executed some big signings in order to achieve this. We are now, as a club a very attractive proposition. Our style of football is outlandish and flamboyant with a young squad comparable to a sixth form economics class, for any young players wanting a opportunity then Liverpool will be under huge consideration. The idea of bringing in Reus, Hazard, Falcao and Messi is somewhat ambitious and out of reach for the policy LFC stand by. Instead, we have to work clever in the market and look to players with the potential and snap them up before they perform to a level that would gauge the interest of Europe's financial heavyweights. Also, Brendan's 'Brat Camp' which includes Danny Sturridge & most recently Mario Balotelli is gaining much acknowledgment and his 'last chance saloon' motto seems to have opened up the potential of Studge and hopefully will do the same for Mario.

Malleability is the key though and having a group of players that can play in one another's position but most importantly, play for eachother and put everything on the line. Its clever, probably the reason we were unplayable at times last season. Most defences can't cope when the front diamond is rotating along with the midfielders dropping into the frame of attack, it makes our style complex, versatile and a absolute nightmare for the opposition. It wipes out he tactic of man marking for the other team as they will be marking a different player in each separate phase, not many teams can cope with that. Filling the whole of Suarez with a personality like Balotelli provides a different style of player, it represents nucleus up top. I think I different style may be adopted in order to accommodate Mario but his style of play will firstly be altered to accommodate the team. He has the ability to be a outright success at the club the question is, will Brendan's Brat Camp sort his bi-polar attitude? YES

I will leave this debate open, be interested to see how you feel about the current team, this seasons window and how going forward you see the season going.

3rd place, A Champions league Quarter Final and a FA Cup is my prediction.

28 Aug 2014 14:20:36
Anything less than that would be a failure.
But I am convinced some here would be ok with less than this. Since We OVERACHEIEVD IT LAST TERM. AND WE ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO WIN.

28 Aug 2014 12:05:08
Ems and many posters and.hopefully edd001 has a read
Emre can do can criticize rodgers when it concerns rodgrs all he wants, it wasnt abusive or ""shocking" . You and others criticise some players hard including myself. He has a very valid point.
Before we bought any.player this summer we were all excited about our young players me specifically stating kelly, suso, texeira, smith, llori and ibe. Not one of those players have or will remain with.Liverpool this season. That is an unquestionable fac t. Flannagan and sterling have been mentioned. Wernt they given there chance last year? When the squad was light and soo too the purse strings? We are talking about this season. BR has done a great.job thus far we play great football and have excellent midfielders and forwards. However as edd002 has also pointed out BR has spent poorly previously and we still lack a top class GK which he has been aware.of since last season.
If some of the players can be questioned, why can.BR? Everyone has the right to voice their opinion on this page.

28 Aug 2014 11:31:12
Hello, really excited about draw today.

I was wondering, since Maribor (Slovenian football team, I do live in that town) got into Champions League and there is an option that we get into the same group, is there any way that me and fans from over here get tickets from club to get to the away sector when (and of course if) the match is played in the Slovenia? If that matters, this year we were approved as official Liverpool supporters club.

Cheers.

28 Aug 2014 11:17:05
I wonder if we might get another we player apart from a keeper. Just hate the window closing on us without a we buzz again.

Kono would be good.

28 Aug 2014 11:57:06
Kono would be excellent.

It would be pointless and borderline stupidity.

Buying Kono would also most likely end any chance for Ibe next year.

28 Aug 2014 14:26:11
Kaizer?

How mate?.:What if Kono comes and scores 15 goals?. You wouldn't take it?
Its always good to have competition for places. If Ibe scores a handful of goals in the loan spell. He would be right in the starting eleven next year.

So You mean to say, Hazzard and Willian are hindering Chelsea's youth development?

28 Aug 2014 19:01:57
no but we have Markovic and Sterling here now, if either one gets injured we can swap to a different formation, or even play lallana on the wings.

id take Kono if we didn't purchase Markovic. the signing of Kono now, is what Ed002 would be calling having the key to the candy store. yes you need competition, but what's the point in buying so much? we've already bought 9 players, and up to this stage, there's only 6 confirmed extra games.

I agree that Kono is a good player, but that doesn't mean we should buy him, considering what we've already spent, and the size of he squad now already.

28 Aug 2014 10:06:33
Bobatron, I saw you replied to my post about goalkeepers the other day and you say I copied Ed001 and yet I've not seen a single post from Ed001 assessing Mingolet. If my post was anything like his, or came close to being word for word regarding reflex saves (which I posted about probably back in May, maybe before) then perhaps great minds just think alike ;)

I apologise if you think I stole somebody else's views, but I did not. It has been my opinion since the second half of last season where Mingolet was repeatedly exposed. I was all up for giving him a chance after his MOTM performance against Southampton, but he was absolutely shocking against City and needs either a better goal keeper coach, better competition, or to be back up until he's learned the trade a bit better. His lack of experience is costing us in the big games. People keep banging on about City's defense but it wasn't the difference. The difference was Joe Hart made 2 world class saves and came out to collect dangerous crosses whereas Mingolet conceded 2 soft goals and didn't command his area at all.

Just because two people spot the same things doesn't mean they copy eachother. If we want to be title contenders, Mingolet isn't good enough YET. Simple as that.

28 Aug 2014 10:31:33
ADAM

Agreed mate. We need a top class GK and that should have been our primary target. I go with Ed01 on this.
How could we excuse, Migs need to improve. Needs to Improve. Needs to improve.
He has shown no improvment in the areas He was struggling whole last season and this season.
He is a good shot stopper, But that's just one of the many attributed a GK should Possess.

{Ed001's Note - I was thinking about this after typing up my reply, I am coming to the conclusion that he has been overcoached. He tries to use his hands for everything, like it has been constantly forced into him and he has simply not been coached on using his feet. That is my best guess from what I have seen of him. So it may be possible to fix it, but it could also be too late for him to change. Only time will tell, just don't see that we have time to wait for that if we want to win trophies.}
He wrote that in february.I've never seen any post from you with regards to his over coaching until then. No 1 even mentioned it till ed001 pointed it out

If you thought Mignolet was shocking against city You have no idea about goalkeeping. Or are just trying to exaggerrate your view

Not being funny like but to Mignolet was not at fault for any of the goals we conceded against City. I know you said the first one he should have used his feet but to be honest when casual defending gives a player like Jovetic a chance from 6 yards out I think if very harsh to criticise the goalkeeper at all. You might have valid points on Mignolet's ability but it just smacks of an agenda when you're blaming him for something that was clearly another players fault.

To be fair Bob some of us have been mentioning this for a long gime. Mignolet isn't the best all round keeper by any srtetch of the imagination.he is just a good shot stopper. That's it.

And btw, He only copied eds opinion on Messi ;P

Red Rum

28 Aug 2014 12:01:41
Bobarton

I am still not convinced him mate, He is poor in dsitribution. Everytime We concede a corner, I have my finger in my throat.

I am afraid Seano and Bobatron you are both wrong about Mignolet. On the few posts I make it is usually picking up on his problems. He is a good shot stopper, nothing more nothing less. When he has time to think he creates problems for himself as he is not comfortable. He is not strong and does not attack the ball on crosses like the best keepers. Monday night proved that as he is all at sea when any physicality shown against him. We need a better keeper, somebody who can communicate and be strong and commanding. Bergovic is the best at this who could be available as most of the best keepers are now at top clubs. He is an accident waiting to happen and has cost us in big games. He should be a back up keeper but not 1st team.

I never said anything about over coaching and I literally don't remember ever seeing that post. Anybody with a remote understanding of football could watch Mingolet and tell you he can't use his feet to make saves. He tries to throw himself to the ground to get his hands to it. I first noticed it in the 3-1 win over Sunderland lat season. I don't know why you can't get your head around two people noticing the same flaw. Just because you lack the understanding to notice it, does not mean everybody does and therefore must've copied the opinion.

Mingolet was awful against City. He should've saved their first, and he should've stayed on his line for their third. He also could've postioned himself better for their second although Johnson was in his way.

You've only got to watch him to spot his flaws. I was literally the only person who defended you after your little tax/profit embarassment and yet you are needlessly attacking MY opinion because Ed001 happened to have already mentioned it half a year ago!

Seano, Mingolet was not the sole reason for conceding the first, there were a string of errors that led to the goal from Gerrard, then Lovren, and then Moreno. However he was 100% at fault for the 3rd. Lovren reacted to the through ball and forced Aguero out wide but Mingolet completely sold himself and was caught in no mans land. I certianly do not have an agenda against Mingolet though. I was literally the only person on here give him the credit for the southampton result whilst everyone else was banging on about Sterling being MOTM.

I'm just viewing his performance without bias. It was terrible. Jovetic may well of been 6 yards out but he scuffed his shot straight at Mingolet and even I would've saved it. Re-watch it. It went straight through him.

That's it Red-Rum. Heads are going to start rolling ;)

The only goal he was responsible for was the 3rd goal. The other goals were from individual (MorenO) and team errors. We defended too deep on the second goal and got punished because GJ and Skrtl have NO positional sense at all. Until they are both sold or benched and we have a well-drilled defence that communicates effectivel like City`s and Chelsea`s, we will struggle MIGHTILY.

28 Aug 2014 09:39:22
First attempt! Go easy!

To the tune of yellow submarine (some of you might know it)

In the town where I was born
Plays a lad called Mario
And he wears a shirt that's red
It's the Ballotelli show

We all love him, super Mario
Super Mario, Super Mario
We all love him, super Mario
Super Mario, Super Mario

I actually quite like that. Got a good ring to it.

Thanks Scallywag!

28 Aug 2014 08:59:23
Shame to see Peterson leave. Looked good in preseason and scored a couple.
Another youngster given false hope after much praise and taken on US tour.
Young and hungry player Rodgered, sorry, Brendened

Good luck Kristofer, next young player to get Rodgered, sorry Brendened will be Suso then Ibe

If a player isn't good enough then it's in his and our clubs best interest if they leave. Your sniping post is quite frankly atrocious and I'm shocked the Eds let it through.

I suppose Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson, Flanagan and Coutinho were also 'Brendened'. Rodgers is great with young players. If you're not good enough, then you'll be sold. Simples.

{Ed001's Note - is he though? Why did Teixeir get one game, where he shone, then never get another chance? That is not good, let alone great management of a young player.}

Unfair criticism. The club have aplenty of youngsters coming through who they feel have a better chance to get into the first team than Peterson. That coupled with an opportunity to play regular first team football in a strong league and it is a very good move for the young man, made possible only because he did well for the Youth teams at LFC.

Poor post.

I'm not sure he would have got a regular place in the team mate so it's a good move for him.

Even though I do agree that he looked a decent player and I myself wanted him to be given a chance this year, i'm sure the moment he partnered / replaced sturridge for a match and didn't perform to our expectations, you would be the first one again to turn to Brendaned Rodgered and complain he didn't get a 'world class' striker in after suarez left. the grass is always greener

Sterling flanno I am happy with Rogers

28 Aug 2014 10:35:25
We cannot field all the youngsters in the team and then take on against Chelsea or City. We would be thrashed up and down.
And what's this fuss on Youngsters, They would always get chances with the club.
And TBH, We have loaned some very good youngsters for first team action.Ibe and Texiera would come back much better next season.
How many have actually broken into first team at Chelsea, City or UTD. Aboslutely none.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care about the rest, we should be giving ours more chances, not talking about other clubs who have unlimited pots of money to spend so don't need them. We have bought players we don't need, only a fool would think that sending players out on loan to lower levels benefits them more than chances with our first team. Sending them out on loan still leaves the same question marks over whether they are good enough or not, the only way to find out is to play them, not farm them out.}

Honestly, Ibe would get his chance ahead of Peterson, I think it is the best for both parties.

Also, it does show that our youth system is going well, just because they don't make it here, it doesn't mean our youth system is bad. its also important that youth players here develop and if not gain their chances here, then go to a different club and have a good career.

yes, lately it does seem that youth players are less likely to get their chance, but graduating from Liverpools youth system and gaining first team opportunities in a different club is also a positive thing.

if I was a young player, where do the clubs youth graduates end up (if not at the club itself) would also be a very important factor. I want to end up somewhere if not here, and good youth systems provide that, just like universities. getting your chance at FC Utrecht (spelling), a reasonably good league at the age of 19 sounds like a sweet deal for the young man.

just my opinion.

Well I guees we'll find out when Smith, Teixeira and Ibe come home next season Ed. Peterson was never going to make it though. A tap in from 2 yards and a deflected goal doesn't make a stellar pre-season in my mind. He is a good young player, but wasn't at the required level. Ibe at three years his junior looked three times the player.

{Ed001's Note - Smith should be tried now, not farmed out. Why on earth did we have Johnson playing left back against Southampton??? Dreadful decision.}

Peterson was never going to make it at Liverpool that's why he's gone to fc utrecht not gone to a club anywhere near our level he's taken a massive drop in the HOPE not guarantee of 1st team football. Texiera just isn't that good he loses the ball a lot & his work rate rivals suso's. Sinclair, ibe, sterling, smith, wisdom, suso, texiera, coady, Peterson, rossiter, Robinson, flanno, & Jones, have all played a part in the first team squad since Rodgers came in although not all of them made debuts under him. All players from the academy. Add to that the ages of coutinho, ilori, alberto, yesil, morgan, Allen, hendo, can, markovic & next year origi. Rodgers is very good with the youth that are good enough. Fact. The ones that aren't have to be ruthlesly cast aside.

To be honest I didn't think Peterson quite had it. Texeira and Suso on the other hand look very good and you'd hope he keeps them.

These 2 defo need a chance to prove themselves along with a few others.

I do agree with ed001's reply to EMS, Smith should have been tried this season.

How many academy youngsters has rodgers given a debut to and stuck by exactly?

I wouldn't count Henderson, coutinho and sturridge as successes for youth.They were already 1st team or bench players. let's keep this to academy players. As it stands Sterling is the only player to nail down a place, I rathert think it wouldn't have happened as well had we not have had a ditinct lack of players in 2012-13.

Texiera just isn't that good he loses the ball a lot & his work rate rivals suso's. Really Harry! Texiera see more than most, plays more probing balls than most, and certainly as fantastic ability. This kid should be back here pushing Coutinho and wearing red. He is in short quality. By the way Morgan is well gone.

{Ed001's Note - I am with you on this one, Teixeira has shown he is a quality player and needs to be playing in the Prem now.}

28 Aug 2014 12:05:07
ED01. Johnson playing at LB is still a mystry sorrounding his contract. I don't think anyone in the world would want johnson in the starting line up.
What about Gerrard starting then Ed01?
Another dreadful decision?

{Ed001's Note - for me I don't think he looks ready yet. I think he is in need of a break after a dreadful World Cup. He would be on the bench to come on and change a game if needed against stronger opposition, starting against the weaker teams only. Once he gets over that World Cup hangover, then see if he is up to the task of playing that holding role more often.}

How long has BR been here for?

Do you expect BR to have fielded 10 or 15 youngsters?

I agree Ed001. I said to everybody before Moreno came he was no better than Smith. Nobody would have it though. They are both as good as each other. But Moreno won on the old experience card apparently. You need experience to play of course. Never mind that you need to play to get experience.

All summer I was saying just keep Smith as first choice left back though. I don't see Manquillo as being any better than McLaughlin either tbh.

I suppose Rodgers isn't doing well enough at bringing through academy players, but to suggest he ruins young players is ridiculous. He just buys them in rather than utilising those we have. Which I do disagree with. Markovic, Moreno and Manquillo are all good players. But so are Ibe, Smith and McLaughlin.

I agree with the ed, he's a fantastic player who could learn from the 1st team

I think there needs to be a balance btw using young players in the senior squad and getting them experienceon loan. I think if we have a young player who should be given a chance, we should not buy another young player to take his place in the first team hence, limiting his opportunities. That is madness. We can buy young players and develop them BUT to the detriment of our own. That is what seems to anger me about this. It seems that we have no plan for the young guys and we seem to be making it up as we go on. Boys like Texeira, Rossiter, Smith, Suso, Ibe and the like need either to be playing now or loaned out w/ a firm view of giving them experience and integrating them in the squad the following year. Will be GUTTED if these boys and many like them who are talented and determined to make a name for themselves are not given their opps in the first team.

P/S: Texeira, Ibe, Rossiter, Lloyd Jones, Smith (especially Tex) should be in the first team next year. They will be awesome just like Flanno and Raheem).

28 Aug 2014 07:25:35
9&. 2nd attempt.again to the tune of oh pretty baby.

Oh Danny Sturridge Chelsea let you go
Oh Danny sturridge now your a red hero
Oh Danny Sturridge do that dance when you score
(Repeat)

Better?

28 Aug 2014 09:23:02
I like to keep it nice and simples - chant 'Sturridge' and clap hands in the same way we do for Dalglish and Fowler.

27 Aug 2014 23:45:12
I was just wondering if any of the eds do similar things like this site for other teams? Did Chelsea fans call for lampard a head? Did united fans slag off vidic last season saying he was past it? Or is it just us? Seems to remember last season everyone was calling for gerrard to be dropped and now 2 games in were at it again! He's our leader, and a hero. Yeah he might be losing his legs, but at least wait 5 or so Games, see if he ups his fitness and controls games more! Amazing how short a football fans memory is! I'm not saying he's as good as he was, but he still is a key member of the squad! Doesn't mean he should be 1st name if the team sheet every week, but he offers more than given credit for!

28 Aug 2014 07:33:38
List of other Eds sites, if you're genuinely interested

http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/club-rumours.php

Your being emotional and sentimental because it's Gerrard. Let me ask you if it was Lucas or Allen or another player in similar form would you be to quick to defend them? Anybody watching games can see that he has slowed a lot, isn't disciplined enough without the ball to play the holding midfield role and also observe that he is unable to be effective for 90 minutes. Its not backstabbing or disloyal or anything its just observations of the team - Gerrard cannot keep going forever and we, as a club, cannot afford to keep starting him every game when his contributions to the team are becoming less and less. I know its hard to take, but Gerrard is a shadow of the player he was 5 years ago - our team seclection should reflect that: currently it isn't.