Liverpool Banter Archive August 28 2016

 

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28 Aug 2016 23:02:16
I bloody hate the international breaks. seems pointless to me to have one so early into the season. looks like we might hav a few away with there international teams let's hope all come back fit and heal. does anybody know if it jus European players away on this break or hav south American and African players gone away for internationals too?

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29 Aug 2016 01:18:22
it is frustrating KJ but look at it this way, when we return we will finally be playing at home against the champions plus the Manchester derby will have taken place which should be interesting, and karius will be getting closer and closer to making his return from injury, migs's reign of terror will soon be coming to a end, also we don't need international breaks to get players injured we manage that perfectly well on our own, players get injured we as fans have to accept that and clubs have to deal with it hence the fact we all have big squads nowadays. The fat sam era has arrived as England manager are you not looking forward to it?


28 Aug 2016 20:57:17
To any of the eds. I know he's a player that might not suit klopps system and he probably would want champions league football and crazy wages. But do you think fabregas would add to our first 11. It's great watching our quick style of play especially with mane. But if coutinho isn't in form we lack a player that can make that killer pass. better than lallana surely and wjinaldum (even though he's just signed) I know we can't buy everyone but sometimes if quality players become available it's worth trying no?

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{Ed018's Note - Fabregas only contributes in certain types of matches anymore. You need to have the majority of possession and he needs no defensive responsibility. If you play him deeper you will watch midfielders run by him with ease and he won't even try to put a boot in. Personally I don't see him playing much this season at Chelsea so if you want him he's yours but yea I would be willing to bet Liverpool is not an option if he were to leave}

29 Aug 2016 01:21:47
why can't we give brannagan the chance to make the killer pass? fabregas has no chance of playing in a klopp team, looks like conte does not rate him either.


{Ed001's Note - Branagan is a better player, Fabregas is awful unless given time and space and no responsibility. If people think teams run through our midfield now, then they should see what it would be like with that lazy get in there.}

29 Aug 2016 08:02:55
arsenal replaced him with a better player, Barcelona replaced him with a better player, and now chelsea have dropped him and in kante let's say have replaced him with a better player. see a trend.


28 Aug 2016 22:03:32
Late reflection in the game.

A point at Tottenham is a good thing these days, though it felt like a loss due to spurned opportunities. You really have to love our attacking nous, though I think we will rue the lack of LB (unless More I is rehabilitated) and a dominant central midfielder in the long run. I hope klopp is workkng woth Moreno to make him the player we need. Don't forget at one point when he was in good form people were worried that Real Madrid wanted him. As for central midfield, maybe Klopp sees Grujic as that guy, or a healthy Can. Hendo just doesn't have what it takes as main man in center of the park. hate to reminisce, but can you remember when we had Gerrard/ Alonso/ Mascherano?

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29 Aug 2016 01:22:52
When was he ever in good form and when did we ever worry that RM would com for Moreno because I don't recall any of that? Also, I think you're a bit harsh on Hendo because it seems you are comparing him with Mashe, Xavbi or SG. That is not fair to him as those players are more experienced than he is and they have different skill sets. Hendo was integral in seasons' 14 and 15 due to his abilities and skill sets. Remember his goal vs City at Anfield where he outplayed Yaya Toure? To me, he has great athleticism, great passing ability and positional awareness. He also has goals in him. It's also ironic that you didn't mention Lallana and Wijnaldum who offer next to nothing in midfield, which leaves Hendo exposed.


29 Aug 2016 07:05:10
I remember the RM rumour.


28 Aug 2016 19:17:16
Ed1, ince transfer window is closing and i'm getting bored of the negatuvity - change of topic here.

2 LFC signings that really got me excited in the past were Jari Litmanen and Fernando Morientes. I was just gobsmacked when they signed. They were like Championship Manager moments coming true in real life.

What are your thoughts why they didn't quite make it here?

Limanen especially - wanted so much for him to work out; him being a Pool fan and all .

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28 Aug 2016 19:38:38
Jari Litmanen was a classy player in his day. I wish Liverpool would have signed him years before they did though.


28 Aug 2016 19:41:30
They might not have fully settled due to culture change, also the change of pace football is played here would have hit them hard.


{Ed001's Note - Litmanen settled but Ged didn't like his desire to have input in tactics etc. Houllier just wouldn't give him time on the pitch because of it. That was also why he decided not to complete the permanent signing of Nic Anelka.

Morientes never settled in, he was too slow and he thought he was better than he was. He wanted everything about him, to just be focused on him and that was never going to happen.}

28 Aug 2016 22:45:36
Some of the best performances iv ever seen at anfield have cane from Litmanen.


28 Aug 2016 23:12:54
Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up Ed, shame about litmanen, the morientes ego thing must have been influenced by him joining from Real Madrid.


28 Aug 2016 18:35:53
What is with all the negativity?

We have collect four points on our travels from three matches. Two of those teams will be fighting it out for a place in the top four. Both Arsenal and Spurs have Europe to conteend with. LFC don't.

The Burnley result was disappointing, get over it.

West Ham finished ahead of us last season yet they ain't looking too good this time round are they.

Southampton have not had a good start, another team who finished ahead of us last season.

Next up we face Leicester and all we can do is take it one match at a time.

Klopp is here to try and improve our situation. I would like to know what solution those have who constantly have nothing good too say. Sack Klopp and appoint whom? Awaiting what should be simple answers.

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28 Aug 2016 20:14:19
Leicester and chelsea next, the way the team is playing we could be amongst the relegation teams on the log come the 6th game of the season. That is why fans are negative.


28 Aug 2016 22:22:32
No fans are negative because they are negative, delusional and set unrealistic expectations on the team.


28 Aug 2016 22:24:22
Or we could be top of the league after 5 games. Or Ed001's auntie might not have had a beard etc etc.


28 Aug 2016 23:32:46
dbnlfc, "amongst the relegation teams the way we are playing"? We've played 2 top four teams from last season and have come away with 4 points from them, away from home. We're about to play another 2 top four hopefuls. For whatever reason, we perform well against quality opposition under Klopp. How can you be so negative? Forget Burnley, they'll take points off of plenty of good teams this year.


29 Aug 2016 00:31:01
The delusional fans are the ones who think we can compete at the top.


29 Aug 2016 04:01:46
We can beat almost any team on our day Frankly, the delusional fans are those that think we can replace our coach and the entire team and then still compete.

We don't have a bottomless pit of money, so we need to recognise that without going out and buying the pogbas of this world it'll take time for the team to mature and gain consistency, and that it requires good coaching (what we now have), talent (we're mostly there), training and hard work and time.

Have patience, it'll come. I reckon this season we'll be top 4 and challenging next.


29 Aug 2016 07:12:37
Well said zimbo, always be careful of what you wish for.


28 Aug 2016 16:41:08
Anyone watching this city game just show you what money can buy you world class players . that's why times have change.

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{Ed001's Note - is it that or is it just that Bilic is a clueless tactician and set up West Ham completely open to the way Citeh play? His obsession with playing Antonio as a full/wing back is going to lead to him being sacked.}

28 Aug 2016 16:55:47
City have gone up anther level though class. Title winners place your bets.


28 Aug 2016 16:57:06
Slag him off ed but he had the better of Klopp multiple times last season with far worse players.


{Ed001's Note - if you say so. Klopp has won things, Bilic has failed everywhere he has gone. One good season does not make a good manager, he will not last long there. As for you, just please give it a rest. There is no reason for your complete crap on every post whining like a little bitch after a draw. You are a spoilt child who needs to grow up.}

28 Aug 2016 17:17:27
Billic experimented with a back three in the 1st half against City that is why they looked so good. Gone back to four at the back now, i bet City won't look as good in second half. By the way Eds what is it with some peoples obsession with what other teams are doing? I personally only care about what Liverpool are doing.


{Ed001's Note - I care only in that I love football, but I don't constantly compare them to us as they are operating in completely different circumstances. You are right, Bilic got it totally wrong with the back 3, it was a stupid mistake.}

28 Aug 2016 17:21:49
And then Antonio scores hahaha couldn't make it up.


28 Aug 2016 17:55:18
man city started last season like a house on fire and finished 4th, far to early to be putting light blue ribbons on the premier league trophy imo, as for people kissing bilic's arse what about that Europa league result? west ham to struggle for me this year, not helped by moving into a soulless stadium.


28 Aug 2016 18:01:42
Man City was always going to win this game, way too much class in their side, they look a banker for top four .


28 Aug 2016 19:10:25
Mataldinho, what is your point exactly? Are you saying that Bilic got his tactics right or that Antonio is a good full or wing back? On the first question, you are wrong because WH got hammered. On the second point, you are also wrong because Antonio has said repeatedly that he hates playing the full back position, which is supported by the fact that he scored as a winger when your messiah Bilic switched to a back four. So which is it?


28 Aug 2016 21:41:02
Antonio move for in the 2rd half . West Ham played a back 5 in the 2rd half btw . The young lad from Leeds come on and play rb.


28 Aug 2016 19:49:20
City are on another level and what a player is Silva and his new deeper role. Just fantastic. The only team who doesn't play with a DM in fact they never need one courtesy of such blistering attacking option.


29 Aug 2016 00:34:11
Man City don't play with a defensive midfielder? Fernandinho not familiar to you? He's a DM all day long and allows the others to get on with it.


29 Aug 2016 01:13:27
Fernandinho drops in though to let the fullbacks go up!


29 Aug 2016 02:04:44
Hi ed001, its not if he say so. The results last season show Bilic had better of klopp.


{Ed001's Note - no they didn't, they showed Bilic did better against Rodgers' leftovers as Klopp got to grips with the Prem, while Bilic already knew it. You really need to get some insight into the game, because right now your posts are just crap. You have no context or understanding and it makes what you post just embarrassing.}

29 Aug 2016 03:37:08
City have come out of the blocks flying for the last 5 years. Its not always a good gauge for how they finish in the league. West Ham were shocking for 30 mins and it cost them. If we continue to play our game the results will come, at our best we have looked unstoppable this season ( against top opposition) City out playing a very poor west ham side doesn't say much.


28 Aug 2016 16:14:57
I have read a lot of negativity here and would just like to say that everyone needs to get behind Klopp and the team. Rome wasn't built overnight and patience is needed.

Matip was superb against Spurs and had correct decisions been made by officals and we had taken our clear chances Spurs would have been beaten convincingly at home. Do not forget that they have been building for longer and went close last year. We are all ambitious for our club, but we all also need to be realistic and patient.

This was the first game for Matip, Karius is to come back and Grujic is yet to play. There are lots of positives for Liverpool and Klopp is a proven quality coach who will get it right.

Believe and enjoy the ride.

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28 Aug 2016 16:25:46
Well said, it's early days yet plus our Defence will also strengthen with Karius, and our midfield with Can back.

A close draw (and it deserved a win bar a few missed opportunities) away against a side that came second last year is a good result in the course of a season. Yes Burnley was a shock, but 80% possession on any other day and we'd win more than we lose and we'll learn from that experience.


28 Aug 2016 16:39:39
We get behind Klopp but is Klopp getting behind the fans? 5 pts adrift of our old rivals in only 3 games is simply not acceptable. The title would be out of sight by christmas.


{Ed001's Note - that makes no sense.}

28 Aug 2016 16:58:30
Which part make no sense? In every season the title contenders make good start to season and build from that good start.


{Ed001's Note - you didn't say that at all and that is utter bollox. Man Utd never used to make good starts under Fergie. You really do not have a clue about the world at all do you? It comes to something when someone can make less sense than Harry.}

28 Aug 2016 16:59:15
100% behind Klopp and the team. Even happy for Milner to continue at LB as he was not that bad. It'll take time. Got all the time they need from me.

Would love a proper lb to be signed but trust in the squad had and Klopps management team. Looking forward to the next match .


28 Aug 2016 17:02:26
So you're writing the season off and judging Klopp after three games, ridiculous.


28 Aug 2016 17:03:25
Arsenal came 2nd last season Zim.


28 Aug 2016 17:05:49
Lee I wish you'd stop getting behind the keyboard sometimes mate!


{Ed001's Note - sometimes?}

28 Aug 2016 17:21:05
Didn't want to be overly harsh Ed haha!


28 Aug 2016 18:44:04
Who on earth could disagree that Arsenal came 2nd last year? 🤔.


28 Aug 2016 18:57:23
U guys may think 3 games only. But this season the competition is phenomenal unlike previous years. We have conte mourinho pep wenger pochettino ranieri klopp and fast improving chasing pack, all vying for title. 5 pts adrift of the 3 early pace setters manU chelsea mancity could very well be insurmountable lead to overcome.


28 Aug 2016 19:16:07
I agree that it's still early and we have players to come back in so not too worried, globally. We'll see what happens and IMO, we are all fully behind the team and the manager as we can see that we are much better than we were last season especially going forward. We just need to have the midfield and defence get up to speed. Keep the faith, lads! And Ed is right, Leek. Utd rarely started off seasons fast. In fact, they often had average starts and would pick up speed after Christmas.


28 Aug 2016 20:24:11
How can 5 points behind City, Utd and Chelsea be insurmountable after three games? We still get to play them home and away, 3 points each opportunity and they play each other twice as well.


28 Aug 2016 21:01:58
Lee, results can only be comparable when Man Utd have played Arsenal, Tottenham and Burnley away, and we've played Hull and Bournemouth away and Southampton at home. There's nothing to say Man Utd would get more than 4 points out of our 3 games, and nothing to say we couldn't get 9 points from their 3 games.

I think some people need to chill out. The clear benefit of not being in Europe (fixture wise) has yet to be realised for us against the other big hitters, and due to this, we'll see the other clubs drop points sooner rather than later. I'd be a lot more concerned about Chelsea (who I didn't expect to perform as well as they have so far) as the season goes on, I wouldn't be surprised if they're leading the pack by Xmas.


28 Aug 2016 22:57:04
Get the joke migs outta goal and see difference. Lfc lfc lfc . Drunken post btw.


28 Aug 2016 21:34:01
Well said ed, tickled me that.


29 Aug 2016 04:08:21
Wow, 5 points insurmountable with 35 games to go? I'm just speechless.

We beat Arsenal, draw against Tottenham away. both respectable results so the above comment is made purely on the back of a poor Burnley game (where we had 80% of possession, we just failed to add any attacking threat - a rarity this calendar year) . Yes he others had won 3 games on the trot, but those three games weren't all away and not all against top sides.

Amazing how quick people are to write of the team they supposedly support these days.


29 Aug 2016 04:24:40
Stop drinking if i were you redphil. Migs has been better than normal the past couple of matches including a top class save at Spurs. He might not be the answer but calling him a joke is inappropriate.


28 Aug 2016 15:45:15
We have played well in two of our three games and yet dropped 5 points. United are playing there usual rubbish but getting the results. Difference is they defend a lot better. milner at left back I'm not too worried about. He's done okay. One mistake but it wasn't the worst. Clyne I hope continues to work hard and klopp helps him out. The boy has improve a lot more. We have no cover or replacement. Matip I'm excited by. both defensively and offering a threat at set pieces. He may actually bring lovrens game up. Mignolet will be between the sticks for another month before hopefully our new keeper is back iN. Midfield will look different aswell. In the short term our team will see a few changes and really positive ones because we have a lot of quailty in our squad.

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28 Aug 2016 16:25:36
We have a huge problem of being wastefull and not taking our chances. Part of it is Sturridge and Origi on the bench but I don't want to go ob about it, enogh said and also Sturridge did play against Burnley. Couts missed some really good chances yesterday and against Burnley. Again this is a problem we have three years running, not sure why and how to solve it.


28 Aug 2016 19:07:52
Al, we scored four goals away at Arsenal, united got a late goal against Hull, scoring just the one goal, we will keep on improving, and start racking up the points, just give Klopp some time to work his magic, and players back .


28 Aug 2016 19:22:21
Couts needs to improve and be more consistent on this front. He went from destroying Arsenal in one game to letting Spurs off the hook. This is why many think he needs to b more consistent in his all round game. I'm not worried about him, regardless. We need to have a secured CB pair and if it's Matip and Lovren then, so be it. Changes need to be made in midfield because Lallana and Wijnaldum in CM is not working.


28 Aug 2016 23:18:06
I have been thinking much the same Red, if Couts was to improve his game, and I think he will, and we sort out our midfield, we will have some team . reckon we have sorted our centre backs, Matip looks really good, could do with a bit more muscle, but that will come .


28 Aug 2016 14:42:36
Just came across this and wholeheartedly agree.


This is spot on by Paul Tomkins:

'I think that when fans of a certain disposition craved Klopp – when they hounded John Henry with every tweet – they were actually just wanting his Dortmund team, and his Dortmund success. They didn’t want the process where his Dortmund side went from average to outstanding over two-to-three years, probably because they didn’t even notice it – unless they were keen Bundesliga aficionados. They just saw the exciting team Dortmund had become and thought “want that”. Sure, but how did Klopp make it? '

You wanted Klopp, we've got Klopp. Stop the moan and enjoy the ride.

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28 Aug 2016 14:54:04
Couldn't agree more. You can't just click your fingers and expect success, even Man City with their millions took a few seasons, as did Chelsea post Abramovic.

Patience is what we need right now.


28 Aug 2016 15:20:02
Just been watching the West Brom v Middlesboro game. and wondered what people's opinions are of Danny Ayala, and does anyone think he would have broke into the First team at Liverpool, had he stayed.


{Ed001's Note - I loved Danny, he was a really nice lad and had real ability on the ball. Injuries cost him a chance sadly.}

28 Aug 2016 15:24:30
You are looking at owners Zeddicus in which case Fsg have had plenty of time. Mourinho won immediately (on both times at Chelsea), even Di Matteo won the Champions League, Hiddink in his short spell ( Fa Cup) Rafa in his short spell (Europa Cup) Mancini only needed his first full season to win the league at City.


28 Aug 2016 15:29:23
Savvy 👏👏👏👏👏.


28 Aug 2016 15:43:40
Suso is another one who I felt could have made it if given a proper chance Liver La, looked better than Sterling in the u21s.


28 Aug 2016 15:48:16
Some fans have been brain washed . 😂😂😂.


28 Aug 2016 15:49:51
Tbh i don't think our start to the season has been too bad. It could have been better, or it could have been worse.

Win against arsenal was hard to watch by the end i didn't know what was going to happen. But when we were at it, we were good but again let ourselves get cut apart.

We played poor against Burnley they sat back and we couldn't break them down. This highlights again we have trouble breaking down teams who sit back and defend. Hopefully Klopp is already working with the boys to try and make us more deadly!

Draw to spurs away was okay i thought. I only saw us on match of the day as was driving up to Scotland yesterday but looked like on a different day we would have taken the win. Not sure if Dier was slightly offside. One thing i will say which was interesting was the commentator said the refs had gone round and said shirt pulling in the box is a pen, Was given at City so how vertongen got away with it i don't know, could have been carded then sent off for the second challenge but as we know this is how footy works. Again i didn't see the full game to spurs but it looked like we should have really won it with what chances came out way.

Wish we could have made it 6 points but spurs/ arsenal away getting 4 points is decent, if we could have done better at Burnley we might have had 7 and people wouldn't be moaning about us having a shitty start then.

It takes time to really get home what Klopp wants the players to do, some look like they are taking to it quickly Mane for example is on fire but others look a little lost GW, Hendos had a slower start but that's okay we should improve.


{Ed001's Note - he wouldn't have got a card as they have decided a penalty is enough punishment now.}

28 Aug 2016 15:55:19
Rover,

Both instances you give are extremely different cases in point. Mourinho when he joined the first time round saw a BPL where every game wasn't closely contested, the big 4 was the big 4 and nobody else challenged even close. He also threw crazy amounts of money at it instantly. Roberto carvalho, paulo ferrer, essien, cech, robben, drogba - that would have cost somewhere in the region of 120mil and we're talking like 10-12 years ago which was astronomical back then.

Mancini joined a city side that had already had a good 3-4 years of ridiculous spending and unlimited funds to buy whoever he wanted an no need to sell anyone to compensate for that.

Klopp without a penny spent got us to two finals with a squad that was utterly hopeless before he took over. If people want instant success, I suggest they go and support someone else.

If next season we don't go toe to toe with the big boys then questions can start to be asked.


{Ed001's Note - Jose also took over a team that were challenging for the title prior to his arrival.}

28 Aug 2016 16:29:03
87red. Read Zeddicus post please and why should we not go toe to toe this season? We have only the league to really play for and 2 lesser trophies. No Champions League or even Europa to distract us. Even Rodgers got us to second in the same circumstances. In my opinion there should be no excuses. that's what i want to see.


28 Aug 2016 18:38:05
Rover, you're conveniently dodging my rebuttle to your points at mourinho and mancini. What are you insinuating about Rodgers? For starters, he had suarez, a fully fit sturidge, in fact a lack of injuries in general. Secondly, he is the reason we've hired klopp to get us out of this mess.


28 Aug 2016 19:02:30
He already answered your question Rover, because success isn't instant and other team such as Chelsea in 04, United and City now have the advantage of spending vast amounts in wages and transfer fees in comparison to us, which is why we'll have to be more clever with our approach and it will take longer to achieve success.


28 Aug 2016 19:05:23
Correction Rover, Suarez and Sturridge + Bielsa's tactics got us to second, Rodgers showed his true colours when Suarez left and he got to use his preferred slow, boring possession system.


28 Aug 2016 23:19:57
87red. I am not dodging anything. Zeddicus stated that you can't click your fingers and demand instant success. Mourinho did as well as Mancini not to mention the other managers i mentioned. Now there may well be mitgating circumstances but they still got instant success. As i said read Zeddicus post, see if it sinks in.

As for Rodgers, yes he was rubbish but he still got second, we still have Sturridge you know and a better manager, why should i not expect a real push? It seems that everyone will blow smoke up Klopps ass and still make excuses as to why he might not succeed. No excuses, Klopp says this is his team now. let's see the results.


29 Aug 2016 01:17:03
Ah fair enough Ed01 i didn't know that! Am i just being stupid or has it been like that for a while now come to think of it.


{Ed001's Note - it is a new refereeing directive for the season.}

29 Aug 2016 08:05:27
Sigh,

Do you even understand what mitigating circumstances are? You're not even able to make a decent argument back. You basically don't care about any sort of logic or reason and just "expect" success. That's the problem with a lot of fans today and the fact you're bring BR into the equation shows your total lack of understanding.


30 Aug 2016 05:18:39
He expects it 87red, so it must be achievable. he's probably a fan of The Donald as well.


28 Aug 2016 14:37:18
Just saw a headline on BBC Sport "Inter buy Mario for £38.4m" - almost fell off my chair, lol! A great bit of business by Liverpool 😉😂.

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28 Aug 2016 15:44:28
If we actually get that I propose knighthoods for all involved in the sale.


28 Aug 2016 17:14:56
Id take the .4 for balotelli tbh.


28 Aug 2016 13:01:18
I don't mind this formation at the moment, I like the idea of a narrow three and 2 'free' midfielders.
I'd like to see coutinho go into lallana's position, and origi or Sturridge go up front, with firmino dropping off a little. I think we are in need of an actual striker. Also, I'd like to see can or grujic come in for wijnaldum, coutinho is better deeper for me, and the presence of can say would increase the physicality. Hendo sitting allow can a little more freedom too.

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28 Aug 2016 14:18:27
If that stays our preferred system, Lallana and Winjaldum have to come out of that midfield i think. i would like Emre Henderson Coutinho in there. Firmino and Mane either side of the striker.


28 Aug 2016 14:22:27
Sturridge has got to start games.

Maybe this is Klopps way of kicking him up the arse.


28 Aug 2016 14:46:29
Why does he needs kick in the arse? He came late against Burton and scored 2. Klopp is kicking our chances to score many goals and it will only push Sturridge out which will be a shame.


28 Aug 2016 15:01:47
Sturridge needs to understand that he is not a sure thing anymore. He has competition for his place in the team. Its the only way if Liverpool are to be a success. He needs to understand that and show how much he wants it.


28 Aug 2016 18:08:26
Perhaps Coutinho is not good enough tactically when it comes to defending to play in the centre. Klopp never plays him in a 3 man central midfield and with the large number of midfielders we have in the squad, I don't expect him start doing that anytime soon.

I agree with Irish Rover on Sturridge; he needs to adapt like this team adapted in his absence, and fight his way back.


28 Aug 2016 18:19:32
I think Klopp is sending out a strong message, that his team have to work hard to get into his side, and they have to stay strong, and be one, he is much more tougher this season, and I like it, if your not in, you don't play, the more the players buy into his way, the more points on the board .


28 Aug 2016 19:34:13
Irish Rover is spot on. Studge needs to know that he's no longer a sure thing and Klopp doesn't care who he is and whatever he may have achieved in the past. He better think of working harder on the pitch and talking less because Firmino is outstanding in our system and we put four past Arsenal without him in the team.


28 Aug 2016 12:07:57
it is a lot of negativity here and i just want to say things are not at all black. When you watch our team now and year ago you can see a lot of positive changes. We are better in possesion, more creative, we look like we now what we are doing even our defence was really good. matip and lovren will be very good partnership. matip brings air dominace and set pieces goal while lovren is growing stronger every game. lb is still our weak spot but klopp will find a solution for that. our only problem is flexibility towards "smaller" muscular teams and i'm sure klopp is working on it. when we hit the ground running we will smash teams. we miss so little you will all see. some details that make defirence beetween top team and top team only on his day. in klopp i trust. Leiscter our crucial game if we win that we are up with the big boys. YNWA.

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28 Aug 2016 11:51:54
What a top notch goal by our old boy Suso playing for Milan. Such a shame he never got more game time for us to see if he could cut in the EPL. Thought he always looked assured when he did.

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28 Aug 2016 13:34:27
All he needed was trust and patience by our then manager ironic he put that faith and trust in sterling, and where is he now? hope suso and texiera both go on to have the careers there talents deserve.


28 Aug 2016 17:53:26
Agreed op, Suso was my favourite player in the u21s, he had a wand of a left foot and even shone for the Spain u21s at the euros, not giving him enough of a chance will go down as one of Rodgers' bigger mistakes.


28 Aug 2016 19:35:17
Suso is the one that got away, IMO.


28 Aug 2016 11:51:40
croatian media outlet 24sata reporting ante coric transfer to liverpool is done in next 48 hours. similar guarantees about playing time as for grujic. fee is belived to be in region of 12mill euros plus add ons. it seems to me they just copied article from daily star so don't know how reliable this is but kid is pure talent.

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28 Aug 2016 12:34:58
Ed has said it's not true.


28 Aug 2016 12:49:56
HR. Where has Eds said its not true?


28 Aug 2016 13:00:23
Sorry, let me clarify. On the Rumours page, Ed02 said that Coric has rejected several top sides because they won't guarantee first team football. Nowhere was Liverpool mentioned in his comments hence, not true.


28 Aug 2016 13:15:05
Hence open to interpretation.


28 Aug 2016 13:37:00
how trustworthy is this croation news oulet? I don't expect it to happen myself but the way Liverpool conduct transfers these days I would not be surprised if it did happen either.


28 Aug 2016 14:30:22
I have read ED02 comment on this matter and you are correct Hamilton red about Liverpool not being mentioned in said comment however there is nowhere that it is said not to be true by ed02 either so what you have said is not true.


28 Aug 2016 18:21:39
Thats true .


28 Aug 2016 19:39:18
If we were interested, why would Ed02 not mention that his/ her comment?


28 Aug 2016 06:39:14
Just read an interesting post further down. "It took years to screw this club up, it will not be fixed overnight"
Brilliant!
We have hovered in the top 3 or 2 for years, without wining the leauge. That was in the past. Prior to that, we have won the league many times.
But, of late, we have been around the 5th - 7th, and even 8th position.
Many, including our fans say that we are a mid table team.
How does a mid table team go up the log?
Not over night, not in just 1 season. Yes, it has happened with some teams, but 1 hit wonders.
For us to get back to the top, we have to progress to that.
We'll have to work towards it, and be patient.
And it will happen.

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28 Aug 2016 13:10:30
It took years to screw this club even when we splashed the cash.


28 Aug 2016 03:30:21
Hey eds n reds. i think there were a lot of positives last nights game. nearly every player had some great moments. Mignolet had a good game and made a defining save. Matip looks an all round quality CB. looked as if he was already doing a bit of organising of the defense which is awsome. i'm not sure if there was any relation to Matip but Lovren made some great tackles and 1 very important interception that i can remember which he nearly turned into a scoring opportunity. Milner was a bit better defensively at left back. not the answer but will probly get used to it and be ok for now. what a bloke tho. just puts his head down and does his job no matter where he's thrown. Henderson looked a lot better defensively as a pretty much midfield 1. he will just keep improving. lallana and winjaldum were ok but i don't really like that set up in midfield. i think once Firmino went wide left he seemed to offer a lot more then coutinho and made much better decisions with the ball from the wide areas. i don't really like the 433 with firmino at ST but that might change as they get used to each other and gel a bit more. but for now i would prefer 4231 and would swap Firmino and coutinho from wide left and AM. now its just a matter of the players getting used to each other, finding the best system and starting 11 for us and then growing as a team. its nice to look at a quality bench with a variety if option as well. overall a lot to be positive about. hope all is well.

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28 Aug 2016 10:42:27
I think there were loads of positives yesterday so good post Smurf.

There wasn't a load more we could have done really when you are up against such poor refereeing decisions. Should have been 3 nil by the time they scored on them alone.

Very early days in the season and I generally like where we are heading.


28 Aug 2016 13:07:34
Good posts Alfie and Smurf. The Wiji and Lallana setup in midfield does not work and I can't see why Klopp still persists with it. We get overrun when we loose the ball because both offer nothing offensively and defensively hence, Hendo and the defence is left unprotected. He needs to change that. The positives are there and we are great going forward but to me, we have individuals who keep committing the same errors that is costing us goals. You can easily point to an individual mistake for every goal we have conceded this season. Clyne is the main culprit here. That is what is killing us and we need to be fixed.


27 Aug 2016 19:24:31
Question for ed 001
Do you think klopp is protecting sturridge form himself and easing him back in gently or is this klopp gradually easing us away from sturridge as our out and out number one striker?

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{Ed001's Note - that really depends on Studger as to which it is. The former is what Klopp wants, but Studger has to fight for it or it will become the latter.}

28 Aug 2016 13:09:06
Studdge needs to work and fight harder and talk less.


28 Aug 2016 13:44:10
surely it has become clear by now that jurgen klopp is in charge, he picks the team, he picks the formations, sturridge needs to get back on the pitch and let his skills do the talking, I also hope that origi gets back to his best soon as well, at the moment his sharpness and movement is sadly lacking, firmino played well yesterday but I would like to see him shoot more, he can dribble past players effortlessly, when the chance to shoot arises he is passing up the chance, he needs to be more ruthless in that department.


27 Aug 2016 17:49:39
Ed1 what's the story with sturridge being left on bench of late is he destined for the door? Or is it just precautionary with his injuries etc? Also what's the thoughts so far on the 3 games? Arsenal we were slow to get going but once we did were great same today let's forget burnley but feel a bit worried about the lb position costing us i think had karius not got injured though we would have at least 6 points from 9 which when you think all our games have been away from home to aresnal burnley and tottenham ain't that bad. Disappointed we didn't win today clearly the better team!

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{Ed001's Note - he is not playing well, plus Klopp prefers the system we started with. Nothing more than that.}

28 Aug 2016 10:54:46
Wish Firmino was more of a goal threat. Because he's top draw at chasing down defenders.


28 Aug 2016 11:12:17
Thw whole team is set up to press that's why I gate people slagging of lallana because he works very hard.


{Ed001's Note - it is not slagging him off to point out that he is destroying fast break after fast break and wasting chance by taking 45 touches when 1 would do. He is simply not suited to the way we play on the ball, for all his hard work off it.}

28 Aug 2016 12:51:15
Spot on, Ed. Anyone can run around and press the opposition all game long but football involves a lot more than that. If he's being picked because he Suns around a lot while offering nothing more then Klopp needs to give his head a wobble because Lallana is a liability offensively and defensively hence' should not be playing. Reus, how many times did Lallana ruin fast break opportunities due to his pathetic dithering and Cruyff turning on the ball while the pass was on? Did you see how he chickened out on the Alderweireld tackle instead of getting sticking for the team and try to win a penalty or win the ball and shoot? Had ain't been another player, we would be slamming him but for some reason, Lallana gets a pass. He needs to be benched, end of.


27 Aug 2016 17:31:48
Ed001 your review of the game?

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{Ed001's Note - have to be a quick one, I have got the dreaded man flu, so need to type it out quick in case I don't make it through the day....

Basically we looked the better side, outplayed them for probably 80 minutes of the 90 and should have won by a clear margin but didn't because of individual defensive mistakes. It happens, we played mostly well, so it is good to see the performance improve. It is still early days but we needed that performance to boost confidence after the Burnley disaster.

One quick thing, the ref was bloody awful, how was that not a pen in the first half when Matip was dragged down? And that set the tone for a performance that just left me shaking my head at the number of decisions he got wrong. At least he wasn't favouring either side, just truly awful.

Mane was the clear standout for 60min, then he faded out of the game. Lallana really needs a kick up the backside, Cruyff turns just outside our box into an opponent are not clever. 14 touches when we are on a fast break is stopping us getting chances we should. He was the weakest link for us yesterday. Still nice to see Migs actually managed to complete some passes and Milner, apart from the really poor error for the goal, looked much better at left back than Moreno.}

28 Aug 2016 09:46:51
I thought most players played very well, another decision that went against us was the disallowed goal. was it really offside, very debatable.


28 Aug 2016 10:56:04
With the offside goal. My view on it is.
He was offside from the angle we had (Marginally), but the view from the other side where the referee assistance was. He couldn't of called that. He was two three yards behind play, and from his view point he couldn't of been completely 100% that it was offside.


28 Aug 2016 11:15:06
And if people are saying 50/ 50 it goes to the attacking team.


28 Aug 2016 13:18:26
Agree Ed. The performance was much better and Spurs were ripe for a good hiding but it is what it is. Rues is also correct. That was not offside. And if it's tight, the attacker gets the advantage. I just think the assistant just had a bad angle at it but I also should say that Mane was lucky to remain on the pitch because with another ref, he would have been off. On the non penalty on Matip, could it have been that the ref didn't give it because the ball wasn't in play yet? Your thoughts.


{Ed001's Note - the ball was in play, he just made a mistake.}

28 Aug 2016 19:41:39
Thanks, Ed.


28 Aug 2016 19:25:01
Lallana infuriated me! For one example, we were on the attack with Spurs' back four back-peddling, Lallana had the ball while Clyne was making a run into huge space on the right into Spurs' box, Clyne then halted his run because Lallana was taking so many touches on the ball and not looking likely to pass it. and then he passes it to Clyne after Clyne stops his run, leading to a ruined attack! It's stuff like that which really grinds my gears with Lallana.

Overall, our performance was level was just a rung below 'superb'. I think that despite the goal, we defended Tottenham very well. I don't know if conceding a goal and dropping points despite a good performance is yet indicative of a major problem with closing out games, sometimes it just happens - especially away from home against very good teams like Spurs. On any other day, it could have easily ended 1-0 or 2-0.

I thought Mane was fantastic, the powerful dimension he adds to our attack is there for all to see. No, pace is not everything, but god can it help!

I thought Henderson did pretty well in the midfield. I don't understand some of the criticism towards Gigi, this was his best game for us thus far. He may not defend well, but he knows how to be an effective cog in an attacking unit.

Coutinho. was good, but would have been great if he scored that sitter. How he missed that, I have no idea! He seems to have a problem with converting easy chances. He basically missed an open goal against United in the Anfield leg, and he missed another wonderful chance in the OT leg after dribbling through their whole team. He said he wants to increase his goal tally, but he needs to pad his goal tally up with simple goals, he's not going to score many if he only does it the spectacular way.

Matip was very, very solid.

Mignolet should have saved that Rose goal. How on earth does he let a goal in from that angle after closing Rose down?


29 Aug 2016 01:38:56
I saw that too with Lallana, Nick. I was screaming at the TV and was so infuriated with him.


28 Aug 2016 01:13:04
So anyway, moving on from the match, I don't get some of these transfer links. First Pulisic who is playing first team games for Dortmund and now we're linked again with Coric. Coric has turned down Man City after they agreed a £15m price because he wants to play and doesn't want to be stockpiled.

Where are these players going to play? We don't have that many games this season. All I can think is that someone must be leaving, either Lallana or Coutinho. Otherwise these links don't make sense. What does everyone else think? Coric or Pulisic and who's leaving?

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28 Aug 2016 07:50:02
The stockpiling of players is one thing that really frustrates me at the moment. As the latest links are for younger players I'm hoping we buy them and leave them with their current clubs for this season so that they get game time and continue to develop - if we don't then there is a danger that they will stagnate if they end up in our reserve and under-21 teams.


28 Aug 2016 07:57:58
It wouldn't surprise me if both left. Couts never looks happy and Lallana is one Cruyff turn away from going back in time. Really frustrating footballer to watch because he has the skills but no end product. Although Klopp loves him because he runs for 90mins. They seem to be the type of player he favours. As I've never seen Coric or Pulisic play then I couldn't in all fairness give an opinion on either.

To me there's a different feeling about the team. Last season we were flying from the "Klopp effect", now he's trying to put his own team together I feels very unsure in my mind. I know you can't play everyone all the time but Grujic looked the part in pre season to me, whys he not getting a game? Wijnaldum ghosts through games, don't know if that's because he's not making any mistakes and is solid or he's just not in the game at all. Mané looks every inch worth his fee. And Studger is clearly 3rd choice behind Origi and Firmino.
We just have to trust Klopp will do the bizz. We are a team in "transition" a word I hate but it's true. I guess we just wait and see.


28 Aug 2016 08:27:31
Nobody as to leave, it's called competition for places. Yesterday was a prime example that certain players Mane Lallana Coutinho put a hell of a lot of work in and physically tired after the 65 min mark. Having similar creative players on the bench would be perfect, like for like and we can continue to dominate the game for the full 90 minutes.
We had Lucas and Stewart on the bench yesterday when we only needed one of them. We had no one on the bench who could do the things Coutinho and Mane can do. Coric and pulisic are young players that can make things happen, make the other team worry about leaving space between the lines.
The ideal situation is to have players who are giving everything just to stay in the team and players on the bench who can come on and the team isn'weakend by the substitution. Just my opinion.


28 Aug 2016 08:47:01
I doubt we will see any more incoming players Ron so no risk of stock-piling. The press have days left to sell papers off the back of transfer talk - Pulisic yesterday, Coric today, someone else will be linked tomorrow and never arrive. My bet is that tomorrow we will be linked with a foreign attacking midfielder that looks above average on youtube and played at one of Klopps previous clubs.


28 Aug 2016 01:00:16
A lot of negativity on the page, for me, 4 points from north London is a very good return.

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28 Aug 2016 02:45:28
With better managerial decisions is could have been 6.


{Ed001's Note - with worse it could have been 0. What a stupid comment. If my aunt had a beard etc.}

28 Aug 2016 08:07:35
I thought you said your aunt DOES have a beard?!


{Ed001's Note - well she is an Evertonian, so it is entirely possible.}

28 Aug 2016 00:58:50
If you'd have offered me a draw before the game I'd have taken it. We absolutely blew Spurs away for that majority of the match, with the majestic Mane and very hard-working Firmino leading the charge, but for a questionable finish from coutinho early on we would have had an early lead. After Milner's penalty, Mane's offside goal would have sealed the game. Mane was excellent throughout and showed good game intelligence throughout. Milner was solid throughout bar his error in the build up to their goal and showed that perhaps he can adapt to playing left back, he does share the blame with Clyne who got drawn to the ball. All in all I'd say we were very unlucky to draw and the quality of our performance was excellent, just the couple of mistakes which let us down/ lack of clinical finishing. If you'd offered me 4 points from Spurs and Arsenal away at the start of the season I'd have bit your arm off.

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28 Aug 2016 01:40:40
Totally agree magician. I really don't see why all the negativity. Yes I'm disappointed we didn't win but we were by far the superior team and soon that will start converting to more wins. Of all the teams I've seen this season what we did against Arsenal and snippets of this game shows me we have the capacity to be the best team in this league. It's just consistency which is stifling us. No other team has reached anywhere the levels that we produced against Arsenal. Karius to come back, Milner and GW still learning their roles I think there is a lot to be optimistic about.


28 Aug 2016 02:01:17
Sorry that's supposed to say Matip was excellent and showed good game intelligence throughout the match.


27 Aug 2016 23:50:07
RIP to the Everton fan who sadly passed away today watching his team. God bless fella. (Some things are bigger than football) .

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28 Aug 2016 00:29:06
Well said. RIP.


28 Aug 2016 01:24:11
My very sincere condolences.


 
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