Liverpool Banter Archive March 28 2016

28 Mar 2016 23:05:43
As a fan I like all our players, I have my favourites, I have my starting 11 and I'll stick up for poor performances with fans of other teams cause I'm protective.

I have to say Klopp has me wrapped round his finger, I truely believe we have one of the best and most exciting managers/ coaches and can see him turning us back into regular contenders and will win trophies, once he has his own squad and time.

As much as I'd hate to see any player leave who is either regular, like Henderson or Coutinho. Or the next big thing prospect like Ilori or Ibe, none of which I expect to leave btw, I trust both the owners and Klopp that what they do this summer is the start of what is required. I think the owners are good ones who will invest in Klopp and reinvest player sales. Also think Klopp has to have more then one window and more then just next season to get us to where we would wish to be.

Reason to say all this is basically as much as you might not want players like Ilori or Sturridge sold, Milner and Mignolet to stay, if that is what happens then I'm going to get behind them and look at the bigger picture.

28 Mar 2016 23:46:08
That sounds like common sense, it has no place on this site! just kidding max, i'm just not used to such a level headed attitude on these pages, i'm looking forward to seeing what happens myself, in the meantime we still have big fixtures to play and the chance for certain players to change klopps mind regarding there futures, having said that if klopp keeps skrtel for whatever the reason that would test my temperament to its limit.

28 Mar 2016 23:51:47
I get your point but i was told to pipe down and look at the bigger picture when we sold agger and kept skrtel and johnson, or made pointless signings like lallana and benteke for loads of money, or even kept brendan rodgers longer than 3 months into 14/ 15 season when it was clear his tenure was imploded, or let players like suso leave without them having a chance to even contribute.

I trust klopp but i will be sticking to my guns as always if i think the club are making stupid decisions, they have made enough so nothing surprises me.

29 Mar 2016 04:57:15
It still surprises me to see Ilori's name cropping up on here in regard to the next big thing. I would have loved to have seen him take his chance/ s, but surely we need to face it that he's not seen as good enough within the club? Or am I missing something? And it's not just Liverpool. His loan spells have been a waist and even those clubs couldn't have rated him.
I hope I'm wrong and he has a huge preseason and puts himself to the fore, but I'd be surprised to still see him on the books after the summer.

29 Mar 2016 07:14:56
He never got a chance BB, I bet if he could turn back the clock he would have stayed in portugual, he needs to leave and get his career back on track, we got exicited because he came with a good reputation, his pace etc, and also remember Brendan Rodgers quote when he bought him and sakho at the same time "we have secured the future of our defence with these deals" we later found out he did not trust or want either player, its one of the strangest transfers of recent times, at least he actually played for the 1st team, which was something I thought he would never do. All we ever wanted was for him to be given a chance, like you I expect klopp to put him out of his misery and allow him to leave.

29 Mar 2016 08:40:48
We have up to 14 VITAL games left this season so I agree we get behind all the lads 100% from now until the end.

However, we all know there has to be sales in the summer regardless of any signings. The squad is already bloated, there are already 2 new signings coming in.
I don't think there is any harm in speculating who will go as we know quite a few will be going.

28 Mar 2016 18:32:19
Saw a link to jesse or real madrid haven't watched him much but seem decent thoughts?

28 Mar 2016 20:11:46
I rate him, he is a very good forward/ striker. Can't see RM letting him go though - unless a loan.

28 Mar 2016 22:02:14
Ed002 has said and I'm paraphrasing that Jese is unhappy with his playing time (he barely starts) and isn't sure Madrid will agree to his demands so he maybe forced to leave with interest from elsewhere. However, it is unlikely Liverpool would go in unless Sturridge were to leave.

28 Mar 2016 17:09:15
Hi ed002

Ive read the posts most and understand what youve explained with regards to Zielinski but has there been any more progress/ advances on him? Or is everyone getting hooked on his interview (including me) lol.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about any interview - I have explained the situation.}

28 Mar 2016 15:01:03
Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher returning to Anfield to manage the club fills me with dread for all sorts of reasons. They would make Harry Redknapp look like a choir boy. Aren't they the ones that wanted The Owl as manager after Rafa? Enough said.

28 Mar 2016 15:07:24
Whoever the future managers are they should not be considered or ruled out by anything other than merit.
If they're the best available then I wouldn't rule them out.

28 Mar 2016 15:37:38
Hey we've got a cracking manager now and hopefully for a very very long time let's not right him off already chaps.

28 Mar 2016 16:05:14
Not writing Kloppo off reush on the contarary mate. I wouldn't want anyone else in world football managing us. For me this guy is going to build a monumental legacy and is the nearest thing to Bill Shankley you can get. I know he has his detractors but for me he's making his mistakes early so next season will be fully equipped with the skills to take on what will possibly be the most formidable line up of managers ever assembled. Next year the Premiership will be near enough impossible to win and if anyone can Kloppo can. Gerrard and Carragher have manipulated the club for so long I would hate for them to come back in any coaching/ managerial capacity. I don't care what their merits are.

28 Mar 2016 16:06:32
they should challenge themselves by getting the proper qualications (badges etc. ) and then start at the lower leagues, where there is less pressure with more emphasis on using the players that you have rather than just buying as there won't be much money down there.

then come up by merit and not because who they were in the past.

28 Mar 2016 16:19:12
Gerrard can be the coach for the under 21s and can pass his experience on to the others.

28 Mar 2016 16:27:01
To be fair Dalglish didn't do any badges or work in the lower leagues and get experience he didn't do to badly as a manager. Still don't want Gerard or Carragher I don't care how qualified they are.

28 Mar 2016 16:49:24
Gerrard couldn't even understand the tactical side of his own position how on earth would he set a team up?

Carragher takes so long to explain anything that the game would be over by the time he's finished telling the players what he wants.

I think klopp is safe for now.

28 Mar 2016 17:02:29
Kenny took over a team that had just played in a European cup final, with a backroom staff of Moran and Evans and a certain Sir Bob Paisley who had come out of retirement as an advisor.

28 Mar 2016 17:07:22
Yeah i really don't want either of them back in any capacity, maybe carragher because of his passion and exceptional defensive knowledge, but needs to prove it as a coach first. I don't know what the point in bringing stevie back would be.

28 Mar 2016 17:31:51
But didn't KK have Sir Bob by his side at the beginning and that was a massive help.

28 Mar 2016 18:48:12
So Paisley, Evans and Moran won the title for Dalglish when he managed Blackburn then did they?

28 Mar 2016 19:27:04
I don't get all the dis respect towards Carra and Gerrard, both gave 100 percent at the club, show them some respect.

28 Mar 2016 19:33:32
How many other Clubs and their fans would love to have
Jurgen Klopp as their manager.
We're so lucky that he always had an affinity with LFC and decided to come here. Sometimes I still can't believe it.
He is our future. and a breath of fresh air.
Let's never take a step backwards by bringing Gerrard and Carragher back to this great Club!

28 Mar 2016 19:47:39
They gave 100%? Carragher yes, gerrard was vain and moody and is up his own arse to this day. The guy held us to ransom and conned everyone into thinking he had a right to a level of respect like nobody in the clubs history, not to mention robbing carra of the captaincy.

However in terms of bullying the rest of the team, you can ask ed001 about his tales of the 'scouse mafia'

28 Mar 2016 19:54:51
By the time Kenny won the title at Blackburn he had the experience. read your original post Brenda. Kenny got the Management experience working with the best, he didn't need badges.

28 Mar 2016 20:22:01
Great players but neither stepped up and spoke out against Hicks and Gillet. Carragher got a bumper contract out of them and Gerrard admits in his new book he didn't feel it was his up to him to question his bosses. They both left Rafa to get thrown to the wolves. As players I believe they both give their all. As people? No I think they got their wages and kept quiet.

28 Mar 2016 20:50:13
Woolback say what you want without Gerrard and Carra there would of been no fifth European cup, also remember the Gerrard Fa Cup final? Show them respect they were great players.

29 Mar 2016 00:07:04
Yes i respect them highly for their endeavours on the pitch and they had great times with us, sadly it is also about legacy and how you leave that will be remembered. I'll remind you djbril cisse was present for both of those finals so i guess that means he should be worshipped as a god as well. Michael owen won a treble with us, i clearly should give him the same respect as say dalglish should i?

They were both great players but i feel that especially gerrard is wayyyy overtalked as some kind of legend and pillar of the club. He happened to stay with us for ages because it filled his vanity crisis, he manipulated the situation to the point where he moulded his own legend rather than created it because of the demands he was granted and the power he was afforded, he was untouchable and that is not right. However some fans for some reason have come to view that in some sado-masochistic, christian grey type way, that gerrard being some kind of irremoveable figure in the club was a charming and good thing?

He was an excellent attacking midfielder for us, world class, and a true legend for playing ability. However this was prevalent for about 4/ 5 seasons and in my opinion was not as great a captain as carragher would have been. He overstayed his welcome when he was past his best for no other reason than 'come on, its stevie G'. He wasn't willing to stave off moves to chelsea and madrid because he loved us, he staved them off because he loved the hero status and security, both in wages and playing time, the deluded liverpool fanbase thought was acceptable. The mentality that he simply had to be in the team for years when he was way past his best, passing the ball to him loads to force a goal out of him (especially in his final season) and the way he mentally and tactically on the pitch held the squad back for years was unforgivable.

Sorry for the enourmous rant, don't like having to talk about past players like that, but some people really do need some perspective on the guy and his sharade.

29 Mar 2016 14:34:33
@ Woolback

I guess Gerrard should have gone when we lost Alonso, Masch etc.

At least you guys would have like him better then.

And Gerrard didn't manipulate anyone, we all loved him for the player he was on the pitch. I admit I do not have inside track on the club, but on the other hand it shouldn't matter, when on the field he was great and rescued us from many a sticky situations.

Its not Gerrard's fault that our recruitment policy has not been great for quite sometime, we relied on him because he had the ability.

I know he didn't step aside with grace but ultimately age catches up with us all. I am not saying that he should have stayed longer or that he should comeback to manager us.

If he was not so great as I believe, he was also not so bad as you make him out to be.

28 Mar 2016 10:28:15
To me player who is going out as per fans view is skrtel.

As per coach it would be benteke, tex, not sure any others went out of favour. Joe allen might not be needed to sit on the bench, when u can cash on him.

Even toure is favoured over skrtel these days.

Markovic might not get chance again.

We will buy a keeper for sure, with bogdan also ruled out.

28 Mar 2016 11:56:02
Like the eds have said, players coming in depends on players leaving. With majority of the squad available for transfer if a reasonable offer comes in.

28 Mar 2016 12:25:46
May be except a few the whole squad is available for the right money.

28 Mar 2016 13:59:04
How does the process of 'offering' players to other clubs work?

Pro-active clubs like chelsea, who are great in the transfer department, always manage to ship out their players no problem.

I mean i know david luiz sounds more exotic than joe allen but could we not just, for example, contact clubs who had shown previous interest or have history with the player and make them an offer? Instead of just being sat on our arses?

28 Mar 2016 14:28:55
Woolpack, it would also come down to the agents being told to the player is free to look for another club and then they would rustle up interest for their client.
Chelsea have bought better than us for the most part over the last few years so them selling there players on is more appealing to buying clubs.