Liverpool Banter Archive October 28 2014

 

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28 Oct 2014 23:06:42
Hope you enjoyed that DaRedMan! What a first game to go to. We're making a habit of these late comebacks recently.

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Thanks EMS!
It was a great game and I feel like a true red now I've visited Anfield!
I'm sure many people have some great stories about when they visited Anfield for the first time!?

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28 Oct 2014 22:31:08
I was so ready to rip into them tonight, and i'm so relieved we fought back, but our shooting was terrible, Courtinho pointing at players telling them where to be instead of putting the ball where they are! the worst iv'e seen him play(sorry), Borrini looked like he had a point to prove and i thought he played very well and deserves a shot playing alongside Balo or Lambert next game, we were not too bad tonight but our shooting is woeful.

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I think coutinho played very well actually. Each to their own though.

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Worst you've seen Coutinho play, seriously? He was the best player on the pitch. Nothing wrong with telling a player where he should be moving to to receive the ball, hopefully the next time they'll be where they should.

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It's never good starting with "I was so ready to rip into them tonight" just shows that you're not exactly optimistic to begin with.

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28 Oct 2014 22:25:50
Excellent turnaround at the end of today's game. And in this game i was most impressed by. wait for it. GLEN JOHNSON. He was unbeatable in his side, and had some excellent tackles. His side was rock solid.

Also all of the attackers deserve good words. Lambert was good as a target man, obtaining the ball and distributing. Borini was excellent and worked hard on both attack and defense. He also earned 2 yellow cards for opposition. He was on the limit of the fair play, but i guess that's because of trying so hard to prove himself. And Balotelli, well he did his job, what more can we expect in 15 minutes.
Midfielders: Coutinho looked like Messi of the both teams. However, i must admit sometimes his decisions were hardly understandable. Markovic had a couple of nice episodes, but mostly was hard to notice on the field.Its a pitty he missed his chance in the first half. It will be even harder for him now. Lallana was in too short to be noticed i guess. Henderson worked hard in defense, but did not contribute much in attack. Looked a bit tired. Lucas did his job as a DM.
Defense seems to still be an issue. Well Manquillo added a lot to attack, so right defense was a bit weaker, but that is probably expected. However, central defense was a way bigger issue, and this had nothing to do with CD splitting, as the ball was disposessed long time before the goal. The goal happened as Lovren completely lost his man. I can't blame him though, he fixed his mistake by scoring a winner. Toure has issues with his speed. A lot of times central defenders were saved by Johnson or Lucas, when they were outplayed in the centre.
Brad Jones had a good game, i would say. He showed his class when he saved Jonjo's free kick. During the goal he covered his angle and could not do anything else.
Overall, a nice display with (FINALLY) posession on our side. We were better side and deserved to win. There's still much to improve in all areas though.

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I was getting frustrated with Johnson continously passing backwards in the first 30 minutes, but he played well overall. I was furious with Lovren's lack of effort for their goal, but he took his goal well and the team defended well for the most part.

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I didn't want to say it after the Madrid game, and I didn't watch the game tonight, but I though Johnson has hit a better run of form. Maybe his best in the last 3 seasons. Just my opinion though.

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I agree about Johnson
He was solid at left back.
Seemed to be under orders not to venture too far forward and leave us exposed as he is prone to do.
I thought Manquillo showed great energy getting forward and is a good defender in tight situations but does get caught out of position at times.
Overall a good result which breeds confidence.

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GJ is much beter at LB because he actually focuses on DEFENDING which he did very well last night. Manquillo had a good game as well and is very smart because he doesn`t dive in and make rash tackles. He is solid and tidy on the ball globally. He does need to improve on his finall ball and on crosses.

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28 Oct 2014 22:07:41
A win's a win, but we do need to play better. It wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't great either.

Coutinho was again our best player. Borini had flashes, but he really needs to be more consistent. Balotelli took his goal well, but still had too much self-indulgence for my liking. That's part of who he is, I suppose. Hopefully this won't be a false start like Ludogorets and he'll score more regularly. Lucas had a good first half but was a bit quiet in the second. He still displayed why I want him in the team with a couple of neat forward passes which, whilst not defence splitting or overtly spectacular, our other midfielders just don't seem to spot. Hendo grafted well but he seemed to lack a bit of his usual quality on the ball. Lambert did well enough in the first half, but struggled to get involved in the second. Lovren was decent on the whole, but again there was an error, he seemed a bit a slow to react to Emnes run for the goal.

Markovic definitely has skill, but he seems overawed and nervous. He only used his pace to get at people once or twice and more often than not took the safe option. I'm worried about him, not because I think he's not got the ability, but I think he'll be a delicate player to handle in terms of game time over the next few months. As he's not really playing well atm, too much will probably erode his confidence, and likewise so will being dropped out of the first team completely.

Manquillo was just poor. He ran up and down the flank, but his delivery wasn't good enough and he was weak defensively. Flanno should easily displace him when he's fit again.

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You're saying a player who has had hardly any starts and very few sub appearances is lacking consistency? I wonder why that is.

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29 Oct 2014 17:26:54
I meant he needs to be consistent over the 90 minutes. Apart from the last 5 minutes of the first half and the cross for the goal, he was peripheral.

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Disagree, Something! IMO, Borini had his best game in a red shirt which is not saying so much because he`s barely played. But overall, he was combative, ran all day and provided a couple of shots at goal that went either wide or produced a save and of course the cross for Balo`s goal was inch perfect. He needs games to prove his worth and make his name. He is fearless and courageous as shown last season where he was perfect from the spot for Sunderland under severe pressure v Chelsea, Newcastle, Utd and a good goal v City (cup final) and the home game v Newcastle where he scored the winner w/ a devastating strike off the bench. Sunderland DON`T stay up w/o him. He needs a chance.

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28 Oct 2014 22:02:27
Today we weren't very good, in the end a goalkeeping howler gave us the game.

However, we weren't as bad as we have been recently, with lucas sheltering the back four we looked solid, although our backline is missing a leader, someone to communicate.

I thought Markovich was incredibly poor yet again, although there was a few glances of his pace evident.

PipCo was impressive, very lively, good dribbling but just dreadful shooting. Was on a different wavelength to everyone else in a red shirt unfortunately and it told as his frustration in his team mates was evident.

Borini did what borini does, run all over the place and be a nuisance to the oppositions back four, was unlucky with a few snapshots and put in a wonderful cross for balo's goal

Lambert was also poor, just doesn't look like a LFC player as much as i want it to go well for him, he just doesn't seem to have it.

I would start Balo, Borini, PipCo at the weekend

All in all, a decent result after going 1 down, not lighting any fires but an improvement on recent weeks.

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28 Oct 2014 21:56:07
Lovern Balotelli and Borini oh boy how nice it is to see 3 players who needed to give something to the fans deliver well done lads now let's kick of

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28 Oct 2014 21:45:58
Really happy for Mario, he's come under an unfair amount of criticism, yes he has been out of form, but he is working hard for us and it was actually a really good finish for his goal

Terrific cross by borini

Would like to see them both start on the weekend

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28 Oct 2014 21:49:57
And he proceeds to fire three shots into orbit afterwards though.

Oh Mario, why always you?

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28 Oct 2014 21:57:15
Glad to see Lovren and Balo get a goal, they both could use some confidence and if nothing else some people to get off their backs.

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Agreed . He needs someone playing up along side him as he drops back far too deep . If he played off the shoulder of the defenders he would do well . The antics again with shelvey he has,to learn to just walk away

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28 Oct 2014 22:05:16
"come under an unfair amount of criticism"

Thanks for proving me right in just one step, he scored the goal that sparked our come back, no player has a 100% error proof game

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29 Oct 2014 00:03:10
@ JLP you're going too far the opposite way though in saying that my criticism is unjustified.

If he only did it tonight, I wouldn't have said anything, but he routinely takes on shots from silly positions, which frequently threaten low flying aircraft. So I don't think it at all unreasonable to remark on it.

Anyway, as I said in my main post up the board, hopefully this won't be a false start like his goal against Ludogorets.

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28 Oct 2014 21:34:06
Whats up with Jones? i see a few moans, I reckon he's been solid

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It's his distribution of the ball, he has an uncanny knack of finding an opposition player every time he kicks the ball out

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Agree Guv. Not many keepers would have got that goal if any!!

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You mean the ball the ball that was hit tamely about 12 yards away, that went right under his left arm?

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Hit Tamely!! You having a laugh. Just because you have your opinion on Jones. It does not make you right.

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Boba, I reckon you`ve never played footie because if you did, you would know that the pace of the game is faster in real life than on TV hence, Emnes` shot was in NO way tame.

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Ok red ohio go on thinking that

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I don`t think so. I KNOW SO.

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28 Oct 2014 21:25:30
And people wanted to ''take a punt on jones''

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28 Oct 2014 21:35:44
When people were clamoring for him to get a chance a few weeks ago, i spoke out about how poor he is and received so much stick

A player who is happy making 5 appearances a season maximum is not good enough to be playing

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Give the guy a break, he's loyal to the club for sticking around with minimal appearances, has been through a lot and seems like a top bloke. One of those players who is great for team morale/spirit.

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Christ he plays 1 game and you still give him stick fickle comes to mind.

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I give people stick for actually thinking Jones is in any way shape of form ''worth a punt on'' putting in the net

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So Pepe must no longer be good enough because he`ll b playing 5 games a season at Bayern.

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You've compared brad jones to pepe reina?

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NO. I made the comparison to highlight the clueless point u`re making.

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Pepe is clearly not good enough at the moment, if he isn't wanted by Liverpool and is sitting on the Bayern bench. I'm guessing not much itnerest was shown in him, if hewent for £2 million to Bayern.

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28 Oct 2014 20:55:08
lucas, borini, lambert impressing

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28 Oct 2014 21:07:54
Borini had two good shots in a 3 minute spell and was completely ineffective for the other 42 minutes. Lucas and Lambert have played fairly well, though.

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Will BR change things around?

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28 Oct 2014 21:43:26
And Borini sets up an equaliser.

Hmmm, let's try something:

Borini's been really, really, terrible, he's definitely not going to contribute anything else.

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28 Oct 2014 20:17:20
I know it's only 15 minutes in but it winds me up so much that Rodgers has decided to change our winning quick exciting football to slow boring football that clearly doesn't work.

It's not even like we're tiring Swansea were just passing really slowly while not actually moving. It's so frustrating to watch I miss last season.

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Good performance so far . Great to see the moaners out in force again . Very impressed with borini . If only he could play in his natural position . And marcovic the lad looks like he could be a very special player just needs to get more confidence in himself which will come in time

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28 Oct 2014 22:31:27
What the hell was you watching?

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I was watching a good team performance against a good Swansea side . How about you learn to support your team and not criticise them after 10 min of the game . Is really embarrassing for us fans to have people like you constantly slating the team even when they are doing well

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Supporting a club come what may is becoming extinct, John.

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28 Oct 2014 20:07:15
Cannae believe Hendo didn't give Lambert that free kick. selfish haha

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Seriously?

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28 Oct 2014 20:05:35
Has anyone noticed that Markovic looks like Alberto Aquilani?

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So true but IMO Aquilani was better, Markovic is totally useless.

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Markovic seems completely lost. I am sure confidence is huge issue, but he really looks clueless and lacking skill.

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28 Oct 2014 21:56:38
He's 20. New league. Give him a break.

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Best he has played for us, at least he is facing the goal!

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I think he's more of a young Roger Federer.

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'Totally useless' lovely way to treat a 20year old lad, who's won 3 titles and had been in England for all of 10 weeks and has played about 3 games. Great supporter.

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Y2k3, I suggest you stop trashing the players because you will have NO credibility to stand on when you actually have something sensible to say which based on your pathetic comment about a 20yr old boy who`s still learning with LFC, is an event that is not ready to happen anytime soon.

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28 Oct 2014 19:56:12
You know you use this site too much when your out driving and see a number plate with EMS in and think about one of east midlands scousers posts. Lol

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! This is classic. I don't know who first coined the term 'EMS' but it seems to be my nickname on here lol.

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Better than some of Harry's nicknames mate haha

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28 Oct 2014 19:35:32
I'm really pleased with the team selection tonight and I think we will win comfortably. I've been saying we need to play Jones, Toure, Lucas and Lambert and I think they will be the difference tonight. I just hope Borini and Markovic will take their chance and show how good they can be.

Red Rum

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28 Oct 2014 19:16:50
BR stuck between a rock and a hard place his first team not playing well and his squad players don't seem to be able to raise their game when they get a chance.

Swansea are hungrey and will beat Liverpool at a stroll tonight, I fear for BR but do feel he's been found out by other managers

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28 Oct 2014 19:10:59
I take it that given Rodgers reputation we have probably seen the last off sakho in a Liverpool shirt?

And Johnson playing. He couldn't skin my granny. I can't remember the last time i seen him beat someone

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28 Oct 2014 19:22:48
Sakho is injured.

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I didn't know whether to believe that or not. Seems like he hasn't had a looking since he walked out the ground

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{Ed002's Note - He has been in France recovering.}

28 Oct 2014 21:28:54
Jonno's been so defensive today that I actually wonder had BR intended the team to be a 352 / 532. He looks like he's playing left centre back.

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28 Oct 2014 22:24:29
To be honest. I'm not a fan, but I thought that's the best Johnson's played in a long time.

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28 Oct 2014 18:11:31
Is the game on the box tonight?

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28 Oct 2014 17:59:22
Majority here seem to think L'pool won't beat Swansea. Who do u see them beating?

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28 Oct 2014 17:38:31
Saido Berahino. Please tell me we are not being linked with players like this. We need world class footballers. Not average ones that have had a few good performances for their club. If this is the type of calibre of players we are recruiting then god help us.

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Were Sturridge, Suarez, Hendo world class when signed ?

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Suarez was world class when we signed him.

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28 Oct 2014 19:25:42
Suarez was a good player; he was by no means world class. Sturridge and Hendo are still not "world class" but in regards to the modern use of the word, anyone who has a good season is world class.

Now, Berahino is very well thought of in England from what I read, and even was before this season. I think he is quite an impressive talent, and a strike force of Sturridge, Origi, and Berahino actually wouldn't be too bad now would it?

That's assuming that Borini has no future and Lambert stays as a backup.

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BR made LS what he is today. If he was world class, we would NEVER have gotten him for 23m which is chump change for the player BR turned him into.

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28 Oct 2014 17:13:55
Lots of good common sense posts and comments on here today,
Lets look at this closely,
Transition, why?, why are we in transition again?, we run the champions close last year with a real good on the eye brand of football that surely only needed one or two replacements for outgoing players, in particular Suarez who is certainly in the worlds best 5 players, he said the squad was shy when to be honest if you look at the signings he's made that have barely had a chance or kicked a ball in anger that statement is actually a load of old tosh,
Weve signed players again this season that are in no way better then we already had to call on, for e.g is Markovic really any better than Ibe or Assaidi?, Is Lovren an improvement on Skrtel, Illori or Sakho?, Is Mignolet really an improvement on Reina?, what about Manquillo? Is he really any better than Wisdom?, Is Can any better than Shelvey?, yeah for sure we can all bleat on about these players perceived reputations as future world stars but you can say that about any player and not really be sure that they are going to make the grade, is Suso or Teixera a level below what we have now?, I don't know as they havnt really been given the chance have they?
Our system of play now features in the main one up front but then the manager constantly says we need more men in the box when attacking,
After 3 years and that much money its unreal why isn't the back four any better off?, lots of fans on here keep going on about the transfer committee and players who have signed that BR didn't want but who knows that for sure? surely he must take responsibility for the very little amount of success stories in his long back catalogue of transfers/failures?
To be fair its all very confusing, if you analyse last season as a whole we could have actually walked the league with some to spare if the manager hadnt been so gung ho at times when we needed calm and a cool head, some of the non action in games where we needed change and some of the late season naivety when trying to batter Chelsea when a 0-0 would have done are things that make you wonder if the man will ever change his stubborn streak and see the errors in his many strange decisions,
A never settled back four, players signed for ridiculous money and sent immediately on loan, a constant fall back of transition and rebuild, a refusal to acknowledge that we've actually been poor when everyone else can see it and the blindness to the fact that our fans are indeed knowledgeable and not prone to be spoonfed bull after the very disappointing end to all of Souness, Houllier, Rafa and Hodgson.
I for one would much rather a man hold his hands up and admit when we are poor and recognise that we need to try something new because dossiers, mystery envelopes and media classic sidesteps are NOT going to fool the faithful hordes,
Stop bleating on Brendan and show us last year wasnt a fluke as In agreement with one or two EDS on here I think the mans walking a tightrope with these owners given their track record in the states.
Heres hoping for at least a 150% performance tonight and a good result
P.S I've followed us since 1977 and have seen lots of things good and bad at our club, i'm now 41 and feel i'm more than invested in this club to have an opinion on its upkeep and the way it is run ;) you don't have to agree and a lot won't but that's my opinion for what its worth.
YNWA

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28 Oct 2014 16:56:02
hi does anyone know the best place to find a decent streaming of the match tonight ? when I have tried to do this in the past it has been an awful experience !!

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Try football streaming info or wiziwig mate plenty of links on there. heres hoping for a win tonight to!

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Search coolsport on google. Then pirlotv

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28 Oct 2014 15:43:31
Note that when both Chelsea and Man City splashed the cash they won trophies
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This is true since the start of the PL, United position themselves well at the start of the 90s by buying experienced players that helped the progress of their golden generation. And did n't stop, in most seasons through out the Fergie 25 years, they were top spenders.

Blackburn, their first challenger, brought in an experienced manager and had to spend very big to get the pl title. Newcastle and Leeds spent big just to maintain a challenge and top 4, Arsene in his first couple of seasons spent big (for the time), and then we all know about Chelsea and City. And yes we were always up there in terms of spending.

Arsenal only stopped challenging for the title when they could n't compete financially with the likes of United/Chelsea and now city.
I know the our current owners spent what seems like a lot of money, but in comparison to the title contenders, its not enough. Ed002 tells me they expect title or challenge for it. Well If I was their advisor I'll ask them to look at the business they in and look at its history and learn from it. It clearly is not for them and my genuine good advise to them, is to sell, cut loses and go.

And before anyone mention last season, just take a minute to think about the circumstances and the factors involved, most of us with half a brain expected us to finish top 4 before the season even started.We got to second because Suarez had the form of his life and United shot themselves in the foot, Spurs and Chelsea massively under achieved.

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Agree with you Roy but all the same big money has been spent eg Carrol Lallana Henderson

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Agree with you Roy but big money has been spent eg Carrol 35 Henderson 20 Lovren 20 Lallana 25 when the likes of Rakitic and good players like him went for the same money at the same time

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I'm sure tactically those teams had better managers, and also didn't spend as foolishly.

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28 Oct 2014 16:10:47
"most of us with half a brain expected us to finish top 4 before the season even started"

Did we really?

I'm not sure about that mate.

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28 Oct 2014 16:53:23
Matas, Yes , I did say we were there amongst the big spenders Unfortunately ,
1- not enough , for title challenge its not enough, for our one 35m+ , look how many 30+ did Chelsea , City and United buy over the years. We are lucky and probably better equipped that we can turn 20m+ players like Torres and Suarez into world starts 50m+
2- Some of it is bad purchases. and for me this is the sticking point and again history tells me that its the owners who have more to learn than the manager, the money wasted on Carroll, Downing etc were not under Brendan's watch. then combine that with the money wasted on Aspas , Alberto, Borini etc , then this transfer window fiasco , tells me there is more than just blaming BR

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28 Oct 2014 17:06:48
I did say those of us with half a brain Davey. I remember getting abuse for posting in August about considering the changes to most clubs around us (all clubs in the top 7 changed managers except for us and Arsenal) its our best chance to get top 4, else questions should be asked of the manager and those involved.

Ed33 , will be nice if we can search for our posts over a time period , if at all possible.

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{Ed033's Note - ok Roy, i'll see what i can do

28 Oct 2014 15:32:54
If another club had lost the best strike force in the world last season through transfer and injury, would it's 'fans' be calling for the manager to be sacked so soon like so many on here are ?

Last season after we lost to Man City and Chelsea I was delighted. Of course I was sad over the result but in those performances I could see we had nothing to fear and could compete at that level, our game had raised to levels I hadn't seen in 20+ years. I looked at the fixture list, saw how we had played most of our difficult away games and I knew then that we would challenge for the title. I just wish I had posted my thoughts here.

Well, here is my prediction for this season. We will get better and better, we will get out of the group stages of the Champions league and we will finish in the top 3, pushing all the way and maybe even win it.

A lot on here will laugh at this. Why do I say it. because I expected the start to the season to be slow with the new arrivals, I expected Europe to be a learning curve and I expect the coaching team & players to respond, I also expected the re-education of Mario to take more than a handful of games. He's the wildcard, but if BR gets it right then what a card to play. If I'm right then this next month will show the performance lift.

YNWA

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28 Oct 2014 15:55:33
Lets say City sell Aguero and lose Dzeko to injury, or Utd sell Rooney and RVP to injury, or Chelsea sell Costa and Hazard to injury at the end of this season?

They then proceed to struggle in all competitions in 2015/16

You don't think fans of the respective clubs would be calling for their manager to be sacked?

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Spot on mate.

They all want blood on here.

Don't agree with the Mario bit though, but we're entitled to opinions.

And before people start, the league is too inconsistent. Chelsea will have a blip eventually - you'll see.

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28 Oct 2014 16:52:15
DaveyBootle

When you start to hope for rivals to slip up is when you've lost hope in your own team

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28 Oct 2014 15:15:51
Judge a managers approach to giving young players a chance over a 3 to 5 year period. Not quarter of a season. Last season Flanagan and sterling were established in the first team by Rodgers, was he a coach not giving youth it's chance then ?. Flanagan when fit will be back in the starting 11 at right back soon. That will be 3 players from the academy in the first team. How does that compare with the other top 4 teams?

There will also be other young academy players coming in later in this season and next (next season Ibe, Teixeria etc), there has already been 2 debutants this season. All those using the term Brendaned etc. calm down. There is some serious panic going on on this site.

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Could he have given the likes of Ibe and Teixeira a chance this season though? I certainly think so.

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So why has Ted bought Markovic, Lallana, Can and Manquilla?

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28 Oct 2014 15:34:55
Flanno was only "given a chance" because nobody wanted him on loan at the start of the season and we didn't have much cover at full back

Playing them in the odd capital cup game and FA cup early rounds is not "giving youth a chance"

Being chucked into one game every two months doesn't allow the youngster to prove their worth, even a good showing in a cup game won't constitute to any more first team chances due to it almost always being against weaker opposition

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28 Oct 2014 15:37:34
Also we bought Sterling from QPR

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Emre Can played a German U21 game recently and bossed it. He was the outstanding player on the pitch by a mile. For the first team here he is a young talent that is finding his feet and hopefully will do very well for us.

The point is, for all those who think we have this amazing group of young players being held back, you can't possibly know that. The step up to first team is huge and some but not many will make it.

BR and LFC can't afford to just throw them all in and then after a season say, oops, most didn't make the level, we finished mid table, aw well. The great ones get in the team, the very good ones get experience on loan and may make the team in the future if they show they can be great, the good ones play for Everton.

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{Ed001's Note - the great ones? The great ones like Teixeira, who comes in as a sub, plays really well, then is never seen of again near the first team picture? Or do you consider a few runs out in cups counting as getting in the team? Because that is all Rossiter has to look forward to. None will make it without being given a chance in the first place, which is what is happening now.}

JLPred.
Your point above is based only on what you see. What you don't see is the young players getting a chance every day on the training ground, and then yes in the cup games. They are at LFC playing in front of the manager 4 or 5 days a week. I hope they are more positive and up for it than most fans on here or they'll never force they're way into the team. yes I said force, anyone who's played team sports knows that you have to force the manager to pick you, leave him no choice, you do it every day.

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I think we have lost our way a little bit with bringing young players through.
I do understand that its hard to give every young player with promise a chance in the first team, that is why I think using the loan system does have its benefits.
I just do not agree with some of the decisions concerning our loan players this season.
For a business model which is trying to streamline the club and cut unnecessary costs and increase revenue then some of the decisions made so far have been questionable.
We have a right back on loan at West Brom who is no worse than Manquillo in Andre Wisdom.
It makes no sense to bring a player in over a young player who is already here and is ready for first team football, not even to mention the wages which are a waste of money.
Again we have another player, Jordan Ibe, on loan at Derby.
Now Markovic may well turn out to be brilliant, and I hope this is the case but it makes no sense to spend 20 million on a position where we already have promising young players.
Suso is another player who has never done anything wrong when playing for us. i'd say he is actually a fans favourite and I think he has lots of talent but instead of trying him out we brought in Alberto, promoted Texaira (spelling) and farmed him out on loan! Wasting money again.
He scored in the league cup, played well and has not been seen since. Why?
Then there are the centre halves!
We look as though we have spent 40 million on 2 centre halves who both happen to want to play on the left side of the two (Sahko and Lovren)!
That is bad scouting and another waste of money.
The decision to bring in about 10 players this season was wrong.
We needed to evaluate the young players who had a chance of coming through this season, That would be Ibe, Suso, Wisdom and Llori for me this year.
4 good young players, and in 3 of their positions we have signed players! WHY? More Waste.
We should be concentrating on having the best youth system in the country, producing our own talent, selling for big money and then as soon as we sell a player we should turn to the reserves and say "your next".
How hard is that to achieve?

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Perhaps BR is trying to protect our young stars from the abuse the likes of Lucas and Henderson received from our own supporters when at 20 years old they didn't live up to their expectations? I don't see the problem with loaning out our young players so that they get regular football to aid their development. The puzzling bit is why we buy other young players with "potential" as their replacements rather than proven experienced players who would offer an instant improvement to our 1st team.

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Ed001, BR said last season that that the youngsters (from the academy) would get their chance/opportunity to play in the first team this season. It's not happening, and yet BR brought other youngsters from abroad, who don't have EPL experience and putting them in the first team such as Markovich, Can etc. what's happened behind closed doors that has made BR go against what he said? It's demoralising to see the youngsters not being given that chance. I thought we were building for the future! now, I really don't know what BR is building at the moment.

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{Ed001's Note - nothing has happened, he just doesn't have the balls to give them a chance.}

28 Oct 2014 14:25:25
Ed2 I know we are being investigated for FFP but why would you spend that money in the first place? Surely that's not just Rodgers fault but the money men who spend that money? Sorry in advance if I am wrong.

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{Ed002's Note - The bottom line is Rodgers is the manager and has a large say in transfers.}

Fair enough cheers.

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28 Oct 2014 13:51:35
Just a quick one. Any streets (non permit ones), car parks, tescos car parks sort of places within walking distance of the ground? First game of the season, up from oxfordshire, 2 and a half hour drive up, don't really want to spend time finding somewhere to park, without having to get shafted paying £20 and being stuck in a car park by the ground. Cheers in advance.

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Hiya mate.

I always park at the Asda on Utting Avenue, it's a good 20 mins walk but there's a decent chippy on the way!

Enjoy.

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28 Oct 2014 14:43:04
The streets off the south side of Westminster Road are largely non permit and about a 15 minute walk to the ground

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Just by the power league on whittle street, there's a gavel/grass area that fits about 150 cars the council doesn't seem to care, no payment necessary

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Last time I went we parked under a traffic light on the main road into the ground and got away with it already 10mins late to the game after heavy snows made a 2 hour journey 4 hour

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28 Oct 2014 14:02:02
Eds reds i'm reading a lot of posts regarding the spending during the summer. I agree the squad needed thicken up, but the money spent could and should have done more. It may be a bit old hat, but to strentghen the core of your team should be the prioraty. Look at chelsea, couthuoi off loan, matic(january) fabregas and costa. The core is so strong. We should, in all the months we knew it was going to happen, had a suitable replacement for suarez, you can't find someone as good as him but someone who suits out style of play and the best availale. A strong, top midfielder, top keeper and with a left back added we wouldve been there. In my opinion, and its only an opinion, moreno is more than good enough but the rest, with the exception of lallana, don't compare, and did we reallyneed him? i'm sure we couldve spent more on the'core' and less on the squad players, or even kept some of the players we shipped out, kelly, wisdom etc. I just hope this season can follow last season and the second half is far better than the first. We are going tonight heres hoping!!, .

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28 Oct 2014 11:57:16
Good Day fellow Eds and Reds,

Just to break the monotony of the current BR debate;

Ed001; how did your meeting with the infamous "man with a thousand aliases" Harry go?

Cheers in advance

Peace Out

YNWA
JFT96

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{Ed001's Note - hasn't happened yet.}

November 2nd seems to be the date

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I thought it would be Halloween. for Ed anyway! ;o)

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28 Oct 2014 12:09:46
Hi guys. I was just thinking. In 2011 or 2012, Chelsea looked like they were running away with the league during the first 15 games. Then they suddenly capitulated and dropped all the way down to 5th and stayed there.

Not saying this will happen again, but it just shows that Football results aren't always set in stone. I believe they had Carlo Ancelotti as manager then when it happened.

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28 Oct 2014 12:45:58
No quite hsf, I think this is the AVB season, they did n't start well , I think they were 5th by October and finished 6th. But you can argue that they won the FA and CL in that same season. As soon as they sacked their manager, their season turned for the better .

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28 Oct 2014 11:46:34
For me we have to play Lambert and Balotelli in order to develop an understanding and build confidence because in front of goal they look pretty blunt right now.

I'd love to see Markovic take Sterling's position at the top of the diamond, instead of out wide. Get him on the ball more and use his pace for those driving runs at the defence. Think it'll help him being able to go either way instead of predictably cutting in from the flanks.

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Balotelli does not want to put in the effort - something many were worried about when he signed. Who he plays with is not going to make much difference because he doesn't have the will power to change his style of play or his attitude. Lambert is the opposite - a fantastic attitude but, in terms of ability (and particularly our style of play) not up to par. We've bought badly and the lack of a world class forward line is demonstrating this. The best we can do is get rid of Balotelli, cut our losses, and either sign someone in January or promote some youth players who might at least put in a shift.

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28 Oct 2014 14:01:36
Another fan who clearly doesn't watch balotelli play and just sees his name on the shirt. Balotellis work rate has actually impressed me since he came, at least defensively. He could do some things better in terms of making runs. But just because he has struggled to score it doesn't mean he isn't trying hard.

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28 Oct 2014 14:06:43
I'm desperate for Yesil to get another chance, now he's fully fit after Cruciate ligament injuries I don't see why not.

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28 Oct 2014 11:45:18
I really really don't want brendan rodgers to get sacked, but at the moment i honeslty think that's where we are heading.

I know he is a talented manager but his shortcomings are being visciously exposed and he seems absolutely defiant he is right and is refusing to take responsibility for what is happening.

I can only assume there has been something going on in his personal life or his ego has just plainly gone to his head, but how can anyone not see that what he is doing needs to change and improvements must be made.

Firstly, the 433 is not working, never has worked for us under him and never will. We play with two up front, whenever we do we play much better, as shown by the last 25 minutes at the weekend. Why would you change the system that has seen us destroy teams for 18 months, to the system that couldn't get us out of the bottom half of the table for his first 6 months? And why would you not change it when ten games in we have been below par in every single game we have played? This insistence hs is right when he clearly isn't will get him sacked and cost us results.

Secondly, the defending. Our defending hasn't improved for a year, and as manager its his job to improve that. Yet every game we defend poorly and still nothing changes week in week
In week out. Its a disgrace he cannot get these players to at least have some cohesion on the pitch. What on earth do they do all week?! It doesn't just stop at the defence either, because the shortcomings of players like balotelli and markovic are repeated every game, when he can easily improve them on the training field as he has done with so many members of our squad.

This leads on to my third point, that being the balotelli situation. He is woefully out of form and whether rodgers bought him or the board did its his job to use him effectively and take him out the team if needs be. He is breaking up all of our play and genuinly seems useless in every department, which like i said should be dealt with on the training field. This nonsense about it being his style of play and him being unlucky is absurd, if he had half the sharpness or desire as sturridge to latch on to passes we would be up there with chelsea right now. That said, it is either brendans choice to coach him to be better, which he doesn't seem to be doing, play another striker with him, which he refuses to do, or play either borini or lambert instead, which he doesn't do and is a disgrace to the hard working nature of those players. He continues putting him up front on his own every game and uses him as a scapegoat. Which leads me on to my next point.

Fourth, the excuses. If i hear the terms 'transition', 'unlucky', 'we showed great character' etc used again, i will flip. He uses the same terms again and again to try and justify him not improving our performances. He continues to criticise the defending yet does nothing about it, continues to blight our forward play yet doesn't change it. You are the manager brendan and it is your job to change these things.

Finally, the transfers and handling of players. The treatment of lambert, the refusal to drop balotelli, the over reliance on sterling, the refusal to play suso or any other hard working players, the pointless buys such as assaidi, the brendaning of academy players and even his own signings, it needs to stop. Cohesion must be developed between the board and rodgers and rodgers needss to stop treating these players like crap when they clearly have talent and are comitted.

Rant over, but basically that is a list of reasons which i believed brendan rodgers could possibly be sacked, or things he is doing wrong. I wouldn't mind if he was trying to improve, but i don't see that. I see a man with an ego who believes he is right and cannot be bothered to fix the faults in his methods. For that reason, i don't expect anything to get better until he accepts defeat and learns humility and responsibility for our mess at the moment.

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Absolutely spot on

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I could not put it better! i have pointed out most of the points you make and i am in total agreement, well said, the only problem is Rodgers does not read this helpful information, if he did things might improve, i don't want to see him go but unless he changes he will be sacked.

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ANONYMOUS WOOLBACK, you are spot- on, this attacking PHILOSOPHY which BR has instilled is floored because there's no defensive strategy to it, as you say he keeps having a go at the defence but does nothing about it, the rut were in at the moment you would think if we're struggling for goals then why doesn't he make the defence compact and tight and get a few draws instead of leaving them wide open.

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28 Oct 2014 11:28:24
My main problem with Brendan at the moment is that he's managing to alienate so many of our players and making them feel unwanted including many if our youth players whose prospects have no doubt dropped after this summer's signing spree. Many good players like Suso, Sakho, Ilori and so on will no doubt soon want to take their talents else where. Also I understand that we needed players in the summer but why not sign experienced players at their peak who are mentally capable of handling pressure rather than promising youth. We are over flowing with promising youth from our academy so why not sign experienced players who can contribute right away and not block the emergance of our own youth players. A perfect example is Markovic'. Fir the money we got him for we could easily have signed a Lavezzi our maybe even Pedro who'll have immediate impact and arty the same time not block the path if players like Ibe and Wilson. No doubt Markovic is an outstanding talent who may become one if the best in the world but he wasn't what we needed. Haven't even mentioned the defence yet BTW

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28 Oct 2014 11:50:27
Suso, Sakho, Ilori, Wisdom, Borini, Yesil, Lucas, Balotelli, maybe even Lambert, not to mention all the youngsters will all leave by the end of summer 2015

Which means even next season there will be another transitional period with a new squad.

For me (I've never been impressed with BR and even last season problems were evident) the outcome i'd like to see is BR gone, Klopp to come in and the slate wiped clean for every player in the squad.

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Enrique, Johnson, Toure, Suso, Assaidi, and Coates are all out of contract in the summer and will leave as none of them are wanted by the manager (except Suso who has decided not be bullied).

Wisdom, Borini, Ilori, Alberto, Aspas, Lucas and maybe Sakho will all likely leave as well as the managers doesn't rate them.

Right now, Balotelli and Mignolet are under intense scrutiny and if they don't adjust and improve, there has to be a chance that they will be sold too. Manquilio's situation is unclear; Atletico can take him back by paying LFC a small fee in the summer. There has to be a good chance of that as Juanfran is finally looking a little spend and Manquilio has had decent chance of game time at LFC.

I understand a lot of the above is based on current situation now, but if they were to happen, that would leave a squad of:

Jones, Flanagan, Moreno, Lovren, Skrtel, Gerrard (who is also out of contract, but should be offered one), Henderson, Allen, Can, maybe Teixeira, Coutinho, Markovic, Lallana, Sterling, Lambert, Origi.

A squad of 17. We had a bigger squad in 2013-14 season when we finished 2nd, a season in which the manager was adamant we had a small squad. If things don't change, it is very likely that another host of players will need to be bought in. Transition again?

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28 Oct 2014 12:44:18
i even forgot the likes of Assaidi, Aspas, Alberto and Teixera all to be dumped

Another 10 players to leave in Summer 2015

Which means another 10 players to come in Summer 2015

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AG, Enrique, Coates and Assaidi all have contracts with LFC that run until midnight on 30 June 2016 . so you were half right .

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I think there a lot of nonsense being spoken about players wanting to leave, or being 'forced out'. The loans system is being used by the top clubs to get young players experience and game time more and more or to give players a chance to impress when things haven't gone well for them at the club and they can't be given game time, or to remove or share the cost of high wage players that the club/manager can't afford / no longer want.

Most of the young players on loan are being given the chance to get experience before coming back into the squad, especially the defenders

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Ritter, thanks for the spot. But you have to say, Coates and Assaidi definitely won't be part of the first team squad next season. If Enrique stays, it will be as a squad player I would think.

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Ilori, Wisdom, Rafa Paez and Coates are the players out on loan.

Coates doesn't have any sort of future at LFC, that much is very clear. Ilori wiould have had enough by now, after being shunted out on loan fro 2 years and not even getting a minute of football in the short time he was at LFC. Paez will not be making it at LFC (being pragmatic), and Wisdom, like Ilori will leave in the summer as LFC have decided Flanagan, Johnson and Manquilio are all better than him. Kelly when he was at LFC, was also preferred over Wisdom.

LFC have McLaughlin Randall coming through the youth ranks and certainly, McLaughlin is as ready as he ever will be for first team football, now. So, clearly, Wisdom too is on the periphery and not wanted. So, no nonsense at all. Also, when was the last time LFC had players out on loan coming back into the squad and being given a go?

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Totally agree the real AG. Every window we get the players going out on loan to get experience but none of these seem to every be given a chance and big money is spent to replace them with equally unproven "prospects" or "talents"

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28 Oct 2014 18:47:50
JLPRed,

Can I ask why you want Klopp to come in? More to the point why you think he'll be so much better than Rodgers?

Dortmund have been very very poor so far this season and have lost 5 games already and are in the relegation zone.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE KLOPP A BAD MANAGER.

The point I'm trying to make is condemning Rodgers for a poor start to the season seems unfair when you don't do the same to Klopp. The same applies to the questionable signings both Rodgers and Klopp made this summer.

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I think Klopp has taken the club as far as he can and won`t b surprised if he left.

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28 Oct 2014 10:17:30
BR stressed the reason he speard the 125 milllion across 9 players was because we needed squad depth.

Today's match is the perfect opportunity to test that squad depth and it will be interesting to see if he starts the many squad players (Lambert, Markovic etc) and if we manage to get a win

I would definitely expect Sterling, balotelli and Gerrard to not be involved and lambert borini, suso, lucas, markovic and couthino to start,

Although if we are in a good position maybe we can bring on balotelli to see if he can get a goal and some confidence

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I want Borini and Lambert to start together, with Balotelli coming on later on if we need to change things up.

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28 Oct 2014 11:27:05
I'd stick with Balo, it'd do him a world of good to get a goal, but i would put Borini with him

suso is injured until new year.

But other than that yes i expect all the new signings to play

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Guys we're playing Swansea, I don't see us winning this one too easily if at all so not sure of some of your comments.
Don't get me wrong I'd like to see us use this game to change tactics and players and see if we can find a way of playing that will bring us better results in League and UCL. If it means dropping some heroes then so be it, we need to change quickly and I would sacrifice this game to try and find that new formation, team etc because what BR is currently doing in the league and UCL sure as he'll isn't working.
Just my thoughts.

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I guess u must have been disappointed when u found out we won. I will never quit on my club NO MATTER WHAT. Tactics? BS! We needed a win regardless of how we go it because our confidence is shot and we got it. Thinking we would lose is just pathetic.

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28 Oct 2014 09:21:59
BR came into the club and took half a season to get the players playing the way he wanted them to play. Last season with a small squad they pushed all the way for the title and Exceeded the targets set at the start of the season by not only finishing in the top 4 but by challenging.

We all knew that with Champions League this season the squad would have to grow substantially and quickly to compete on 4 fronts. We also all agreed that the new players would need a bedding in period and the manager would be learning in his first season of managing a title challenge and Europe. So I don't understand all this calling for the Managers head, it's the wrong attitude.

I don't agree with Ed01 that Rodgers is running out of time. FSG are not stupid, they are looking at this as a season to finish in the top 4, get out of the group stages of the Champions League and BR to get the squad humming again by mid season. It is a big step up this season and right now we are struggling but BR is one of the best coaches on the training ground and I believe he will get it right. FSG know we are still competing with clubs that can sign players that still won't come to Liverpool if given the option eg: Sanchez, Costa, Willian (don't get me started on people posting we should have signed Alonso or Fabregas, ya right, as if it was an option). These clubs don't lose their star players, they simply add to them.

It's not easy but keep the faith. The last half hour against Hull started to show a bit of last seasons approach.

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{Ed002's Note - You have an extremely naïve, and wrong, view of what the owners expect.}

Small squad last season? Not really.

Kelly, Agger, Cissokho, Coates, Ilori, Moses, Teixeira, Aspas, Suarez, Ibe all out

Manquilio, Lovren, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Suso, Balotelli, Borini, Lambert and Markovic in.

So, really, it was not a small squad as BR bleats about continuously. It is also worth mentioning that he could have chose to kept Suso and Borini last season if he wanted too, but decided not to last season.

A lot of the players he bought in 2 summers ago were his signings and all of them were signed after BR gave the go-ahead as the final decision rests with him.

So, the small squad excuse is just a poor one.

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I don't think Fitzy's view is wrong or naive if he says the expectations for this season is in the following order of priority:
1. top four
2. Knock out round cl
3. A trophy

Do the onwners expect a title this season with Suarez gone? he haven't spent 125 to keep it in context we've spent 40-50 million net

Agreed BR may have gotten some transfers wrong but let's give the players who now wear the Liverpool shirt a chance

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{Ed002's Note - The owners have put enormous amounts of money in to the club and have taken on significant debt. There have been here for a number of years and the expectations are success. Why do you find this so difficult to understand?}

To the owners continuous cl campaigns is the first measure of success, its a business ed and if you think differently then perhaps you are naive

Obviously trophies are also something they want but cl is priority. Havent you heard John Henry praising Arsenal during the first year of his takeover? how many trophies and titles for arsenal in the past then?

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{Ed002's Note - You have zero idea about this and what has it to do with Arsenal - a club far more financially successful that is worth way more than Liverpool?}

Fitzy, you talk a lot of sense mate. You've got to hope that FSG realise that the best way of getting a return on what they have invested is by giving time to Rodgers, who I believe will have us challenging again pretty soon.

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Why do you keep saying i have zero knowledge? i'm simply saying that the priority target is top four which brings money and which will be considered success by the owners

The owners like arsenals model and would like us to do the same i.e cl each year but not bothered about 1 trophy in ten years.

What am i not getting? what are the owners expectations then?

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{Ed002's Note - Everything you are saying is complete bollocks. Is that clearer for you.}

28 Oct 2014 12:14:26
Ed002's Note - The owners have put enormous amounts of money in to the club and have taken on significant debt. There have been here for a number of years and the expectations are success. Why do you find this so difficult to understand
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Ed002, this is a question, not an argument, Do you know what the owners expectations for this season (I know they won't the club to win every competition), but do you know their realistic targets and what do they consider as a minimum ? I assumed the suggested 1. top four
2. Knock out round cl
3. A trophy

is ambitious but achievable, you seem to suggest they want much more ? And please I am a simple person with many issues that makes it hard for me to understand and absorb information easily, so can you please please explain it to me as if I was a 4 year old

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{Ed002's Note - They want success and have been promised either winning the league or making a significant challenge and a challenge for the Champions League. They will have no interest in all of this childish targets of top four etc.. That would be the absolute minimum. They have spent vast sums on transfers in recent years and have repeatedly flaunted the FFP regulations. This year they are under investigation already for the FFP regulations in respect of wages and other spending - enough to certainly have the winnings from the group stage withheld. The owners are looking to sell individual stand naming rights now - and will continue to look to sell the stadium naming rights. You and the previous poster are the reason we try to avoid discussion of money - not because of your age but because you are simply not bright enough to take any of it in.}

Haha ok ed, i think i get it now

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28 Oct 2014 12:47:10
PakRed

The owners expect us to be winning the PL and challenging the CL.

Quite rightly too after spending over £100m on a team that just finished 2nd and should have came 1st

We only lost one first team player in Suarez and we didn't get even close to replacing him

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Do you guys not remember what the city owners paid and still pay for players in wages and transfer fee and how chelsea went about ten years ago?
BR has not nearly spent those sort of amounts so i would think it would be unreasonable to ask any manager to win the league with the sort of cash splashing

I will remind you again this season a net 50 was spent by liverpool and 70 odd by city in a season considered where they haven't spent much

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28 Oct 2014 13:34:35
Thank you very muchy Ed002, I am one of your average audience on this site (and I mean fans and eds combined) and very humbly understood . You certainly have explained it to me very clearly just like my nursery teacher do.

I can only say whoever promised the owners "winning the league" will soon be sitting on the naughty step for a very long time.

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Well if that's what the owners expect after listening to Teds spin and subsequently releasing circa £35 mill net on predominantly gilt edged punts who offer nothing more than what we had/ have in the youth system (Markovic/ Ibe, Lallana/ Suso/ Texiera, Manquilla/ Wisdom/ Kelly, Lovren/ Agger/ wisdom/ Ilori, Can/ Shelvey), then they deserve everything they get.

The sooner they release that LFC's not a stock, footballs not Wall Street and Teds not the 'wolf of wall street' the better, spin gets you nowhere in football, it might generate an artificial price on the stock exchange but it yields zero in football.

Unfortunately for them they've come from a world founded on 'bulls. t' and Ted delivered at interview pressing all the buttons with his ridiculous dossier. I have no sympathy for venture capitalists endeavouring to exploit sport, in fact I have no sympathy for venture capitalists period. If they choose to invest in something they know nothing of then that's their lookout but to expect ultimate success by paying comparably poor salaries on perceived potential with resale value so as to effectively hedge their investment whilst being fully aware of the type of salary a top top footballer commands (Suarez revised contract when they had to sacrifice paying him top money to change the buyout clause, an extra £50k a week for 5 months in order to effectively double the buyout clause and secure an extra £35 mill) is nothing more than an out and out cheek.

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{Ed002's Note - Suarez' new contract payments did not kick in to September 1 so he was gone by then.

However, the thing is that football at the highest level is big business like it or not. We have been through this before and I appreciate you don't like it, but that is how it will be. Perhaps in 2017 circumstances will be such that the owners will make a decision about the way forward - stick or sell.}

28 Oct 2014 14:14:41
PakRed

Note that when both Chelsea and Man City splashed the cash they won trophies

We have splashed a hell of a lot of cash and are much further away from winning anything than we were before we did

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Rodgers is daft for promising such things but then again we all know that he talks bull. We have been told often enough, but what is Fsg's excuse. We are miles away from a title push. We sold our one and only world class player. Despite his baggage!

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28 Oct 2014 15:41:39
No Ed002, i think you're wrong on this. To sack BR before the end of the season would be a stupid business decision. Top 4 and he's safe. John Henry doesn't do stupid.

I guess the great thing on this one is over the season we will see who is right.

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{Ed002's Note - Where did I say sack BR before the end of the season or anywhere else for that matter. So putting aside your first stupid and erroneous statement - why not share your knowledge of Mr Henry and how he has dealt with failure? Look to the Red Sox - or look to Liverpool. You clearly are unable to read and have no knowledge about the owner of the club. Again, all rather embarrassing.}

28 Oct 2014 15:41:58
Ed002, that makes the Suarez debacle even cuter from the owners perspective. They new he was gone in December. A. Paperwork shuffle with an empty promise and hey presto another £35 mill in the coffers.

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{Ed002's Note - They knew he was gone. The new deal could not have come in place before his exit was confirmed.}

And they only had from December till end of August to get that Suarez rep lament, well done transfer committee and BR.

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28 Oct 2014 08:47:08
For anyone to call for the managers head is simply blertish.

You're a disgrace, the lot of you.

You'll all be patting backs in a few weeks when things start going our way.

The manager has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so, but he'll learn, and he'll learn at our club.

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I did not realize we are all sheep in yours eyes. maybe as we all feel part of the club we have the right to voice our views on the good and the bad. ps. i am not calling for BR 's head. just certain issues do need addressing

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I am not calling for the manager's head too, not yet anyway.

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Well Said Davey, the lack of support by some posters recently on here is shocking. Calling for the managers head at this stage of the season is a joke, and I feel nowhere near representative of the majority of true fans.

Certain posters have had their issues with Rodgers and FSG since day one, fair enough, I disagree, but at least they're consistent. The rest just seem to be spitting their dummies out.

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28 Oct 2014 12:23:43
The manager has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so, but he'll learn, and he'll learn at our club.
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This is a bit worrying Davey, do you think our club can afford to carry a manager that will continue to make mistakes , for how long ?? What is most important to you, blind loyalty to the manager or LFC ??
By the way , I do think calling for the managers sacking is premature, but I will have no sympathy for him if come end of season and we are outside top 4. Then I think he needs to go.

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Liverpool should bring in a defensive coach Caragher would be ideal and a respected coach and a new defensive midfielder and you would have a great squad

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28 Oct 2014 08:45:29
Hey Eds, I wanted to discuss and get your views on Andre Wisdom. I haven't seen much of him to be honest a couple of games this year and when he played for us couple of seasons ago.

However i really like him from what i have seen so far. Do you think with his ability and potential that he can be a regular or atleast part of the squad next year? it is to be noted that johnson will be gone but we'll still have flanno and manquilo

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect that under BR he has no Liverpool future unfortunately.}

I would assume BR has some plan for him as he has been loaned out and not sold, but i get what you are saying.

Do you rate him though? he's currently cutting it in the premier league

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{Ed002's Note - I don't "rate" players.}

IMO, he will leave next summer.

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Which is a pity. He is one of the few i believe could do a decent job as a back up.

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28 Oct 2014 07:21:31
I note the uk met office has unveiled a new 'super computer' apparently the fastest in the world to aid in predicting weather changes and trends.

I Wonder if it's powerful enough to monitor and track the mood swings and arguments of the average Liverpool fan on here? I doubt it. .

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28 Oct 2014 08:08:02
Like any super computer is that powerful

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28 Oct 2014 02:41:39
Hi eds,

If BR got sacked at the end of the season, what's the chance of getting Simeone, Koemann or De Beor?

I think they would be managers that would somewhat suit our philosophy well.

What do you think Eds? Also, who out of these has the best coaching team (staffs)

Cheers,

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{Ed001's Note - unlikely to get Simeone or Koeman as things stand. De Boer has turned down the chance to be interviewed for the job once already, so it is probably unlikely. As for the coaching staff question that is impossible to answer.}

So ed001 thinks BR should go judging by recent posts. What about the other eds? We only hear from 001 and occasionally 002, let's have the views. Personally I'm disappointed by ed001's views and feel this site is very negative at the moment

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 was answering a question about who might be manager if Rodgers were to leave. He doesn't write the questions. And I rather think people hear from me rather more often than "occasionally". The other Editors will likely have no opinion on the subject.}

28 Oct 2014 06:25:03
Apologies Ed002 I meant in relation to this question. Reading back you do seem to comment on the managers position regular as well but it is interesting that both you and ed001 are putting forward (all be it as responses to questions) potential replacements for BR. Do u both honestly feel he should be replaced ?

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{Ed001's Note - I am of the opinion that he is running out of time.}

Ed001 didn't De Boer say sometime in last December that he is 'ready' to take over if liverpool or Tottenham offered him the job? (I'm sorry I don't remember the exact words)

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Ed001 didn't De Boer say sometime in last December that he is 'ready' to take over if liverpool or Tottenham offered him the job? (I'm sorry I don't remember the exact words)

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{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}

Ed001 you know I don't agree with your view on replacing BR, but do value your opinion. I personally think we need to not lower our expectations but jut allow more time for out manager to build a team to compete for the long term. I say this as the managers job at Liverpool is fast becoming a poison chalice, one which very few decent managers will entertain. FSG have backed BR financially all be it mainly through sales but as a club we cannot compete financially with Chelsea, City, Utd or Arsenal yet some on here think we have a God given right, because we are Liverpool, to compete with and beat our main rivals on the pitch. I agree that we have started poorly and BR is making mistakes, surely we must play 2 up front, but I think we need to look long term and build slowly if we are ever going to again compete at the very top on a regular basis.

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{Ed001's Note - but he is not building anything. He is not using the young players we should be building on, they are either being sold or farmed out on loan, while he brings in equally inexperienced youngsters to take their place. He has no clue about building a team, he just wants to buy buy buy his way to success. Like you say, we can't afford to do that.}

De Boer is rated in Holland, but sacking BR is not the answer let's wait for sturridge to return we will have another outlook.
And maybe add a top cb in january would help.
If BR would get the sack his staff will follow, any new coach will want to bring in his trusties.

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This is so unfair Ed001! When you say someting 'controversial', people "value/accept/consider" your opinion, yet when me and many others express our concerns regarding what the hell Brendan is doing, we're fickle/rubbish fans/knee jerks!

I personally really hope Rodgers accepts some help because I think he has potential. I just don't think he is ready yet and his stubborness is destroying our team. Like you say, he is farming out youngsters from our accademy and replacing them with more youngsters who in my opinion, are not always better than what we sold!

I personally just think Rodgers needs to focus more on the job he is blessed with and put down his dolly bird for 5 seconds. Up till the early morning thinking about tactics? What tactics were those then Brendan? Can you tell me the positions you considered? What implications they would have on stamina? How deep did you go? Did you consider ways to get in behind?

You're a bloke in his 40's managing one of the best clubs in England, and yet you're more focused on how tight your missus is than how tight our defence is!

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{Ed001's Note - bit harsh on him for having a love life that mate! Different when he was having an affair behind his bird's back as that takes up time, time that he shouldn't have spare when managing a club the size of Liverpool. But having a love life is hardly something to castigate him for.}

We have more defenders than you can shake a stick at. you want another cb? let's give BR more money to spend

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Yeah bit harsh EMS but loved the post all the same haha

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It was a bit of a joke Ed haha. I suppose I can let him have a bit of a personal life. 25 minutes a day seems fair, would you agree?

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{Ed001's Note - only if it is the last 25min just before he sleeps. And not every day. As some days they have to be away, so he will have to miss out those days.}

27 Oct 2014 23:09:21
I hope suso starts tomorrow, either in a number 10 in a narrow diamond behind Lambert and borini or as part of s midfield 3, with Lucas/can holding and lallana possibly. If this is the case then I hope markovic gets a run out, it's about time he showed us something! In suso, it's clear he has class, and he is going to get very limited chances, let's hope he takes one!

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Suso is injured and will be out till January.

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