Liverpool Banter Archive April 29 2016

29 Apr 2016 22:05:32
I have a feeling that we will score 4 against Villareal at Anfield. 4-0 to Liverpool. YNWA!

30 Apr 2016 03:09:35
I hope so, backed them to win by 3 goals or more.

29 Apr 2016 19:10:12
We need to score minimum 2 and keep a clean sheet, with our defense and goalkeeper it is hard to be optimistic. I love klopp, best think to happen to us in a long time, but boy o boy did he get it wrong and if we don't go through it will be all his fault.

Again I love the guy but he must learn quick. This is not the time for trial and error.

29 Apr 2016 19:40:11
Yeah! Let's get Kloop sacked if we don't beat Villareal! We gave 3 seasons and a bit more to Bodgers, and 300 million quick, but let's get ride of the German if we don win the Europa League. Also if he doesn't learn QUICK enough the world football will stop competing, and civilisation will cease as we know it. Surely like the world stop rolling since we haven't managed the league. Oh my.
Seriously, the PILE OF RUBISH that I've been reading over here since yesterday is astonishing. If it were for you lot surely this site would stop breathing and die. Thanks God we have the Eds, because the supporters bit sometimes is absolutely pathetic.

29 Apr 2016 19:56:12
Need to chill out, it's only half time.

29 Apr 2016 20:44:20
'If we don't go through it will be all his fault". when God was giving out rational was you in another queue? So the fact that Joe Allen missed a chance Stevie Wonder would have put away and given the tie a completely different perspective doesent matter? Or the fact that the normally reliable Firminho stunk the stadium out or the fact that Moreno and Kolo were culpable for their goal. Or maybe even Clyne's final ball is so lousy that he squandered every great position we found ourselves in on the right hand side. Kloppomatic go and reassess the game. We didn't lose because we played Ibe and not sturridge we lost because we were collectively not very good and that's not Klopps fault. I fully expect us to go on and win this competition and it's only half time a lot can happen in the next 90 mins. Let's hold of on the obituaries and conduct post mortem until we get officially get knocked out hey!

29 Apr 2016 22:10:58
Let's settle for Stevie Gerrard.

29 Apr 2016 23:52:58
Stevie Gerrard would've ripped the F*****g Net off.

30 Apr 2016 09:58:19
Allen, firmino, moreno all had fantastic chances that had one of them scored, we'd be talking about this as a tactical masterclass. We lot the game. We don't need to get knee-deep in analysing tactics.

30 Apr 2016 16:30:56
Kloppto whatever your name is, you need to take the prefix off your username because you do a great dishonor to his name with the drivel you just posted.

29 Apr 2016 16:24:46
Talking of Shanks, my fav quote was him speaking to Alex Lindsey on his debut. "When you get the ball I want you to beat a few men and smash the ball into the net, like you use to do at Bury. " Bemused Lindsey said, " But boss that wasn't me it was Bobby Kerr. "
Bill turned to Paisley and said, "Christ Bob, we've signed the wrong player.
What a f***ing legend.

29 Apr 2016 13:50:01
Eds. With the Ings fee now being set.
Is that to be a one off payment or can we agree instalments over the allowed 3 year period?

Has the fee been (some of if it not all) set aside or is it to come out of the summer budget?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - It has to be paid now not in the summer so it is accounted for in the 2015/16 accounts in full.}

29 Apr 2016 18:33:43
did we spend to a level this year in that this extra expenditure will effect the summer plans, will we have to move a few players on before next seasons accounts begin?

{Ed002's Note - This summer is in a different financial year. Liverpool consistently spend more that they can afford and that is why there is so much debt. The club will have much more money coming in next season.}

29 Apr 2016 19:55:26
I would hope after messing burnley around for this long already we would just pay up and get it done.

30 Apr 2016 02:34:42
We did not mess Burnley around. When we sign a player like Ings, we have the right to negotiate a fair price for him. They have a right to accept or decline knowing that it goes to tribunal. Its all business. I think they were happy to take it to tribunal and they did well out of it.

{Ed001's Note - if you are stupid enough to believe that tripe, then you need help to dress yourself. Some of you lot are so blinkered it is embarrassing. We DID mess Burnley about, as we also did Bolton and Spearing. Our club is being run extremely badly and needs an overhaul on the business side. We have a commercial dept that is even more embarrassing than your comment and an inablity to seal deals due to our woeful mishandling of club to club relations, such as in this instance.}

30 Apr 2016 16:32:53
Yikes, Ed just chewed icon red up and spit him out.

30 Apr 2016 18:10:32
we are getting a unwelcome reputation in all things transfers it is not something we should be proud of in fact we need to sort this out, what we have done to burnley and Bolton is embarrassing especially when we cry about the actions of other clubs and there owners, we cannot have it both ways, we are going to either pay over the odds or miss out completely as we have done in recent years, we need to shed this image a. s. a. p.

29 Apr 2016 10:15:28
Just a few comments after reflecting on last night and calming down a bit.

1-0 isn't the end of the world. Not in the slightest. It's far from ideal but in reality we are more than capable of beating them 2-0 or more at home. To be totally honest, if we can't beat a side like that, at Anfield, in a European semi-final, with our crowd, our passion, our history, then we don't deserve it.

It's pointless talking about tactics, who shoulda played, who was at fault, Klopp made mistakes etc etc. It's now done. All of our energy should be on building that game up to be the biggest one in our history. I'm not sure about anyone else, but this week has felt really flat for me anyway? Other events have overshadowed the build up and rightly so (Sakho aside) . It's been a strange week to be an LFC fan, a real mix of emotions and I can't say I was overly up for the game yesterday and I think that seemed to be reflected in the players also. I'm not sure how everyone else felt? Just didn't have the excitement or the buzz for yesterday's game.

The bottom line is, next thursday has to be rocking. The build up has to be intense. We need to get put all our energy into making it a momentous occasion, even better than the Dortmund game. We have to let this team know why Anfield is THE worst place in the world for any away team to visit. We can and will do this, but the negativity (although fairly IMO from last night) has to stop now and we move on to creating such a buzz for the game that Thursday can't come quick enough.

29 Apr 2016 12:39:45
J H

Couldn't say it better myself.

Allen should have put us 1-0 after 5mins but never mind.

Villareal didn't show that much to make me believe that we can't do the business in the 2nd leg.

29 Apr 2016 12:57:09
JH, you are spot on. no use rewriting history. What`s done is done. Villareal are a good team BUT defo NOT great nor better than BVB. They have not faced a crowd like ours and the passion that bleeds through the stands and the Kop onto the field. They could not finish us off and they we very flat which was mainly due to our game plan of giving them nothing apart from the soft goal we gave up. We have overturned bigger deficits vs better teams than this (BVB aside) hence, we should be promising them hell for 90mins because after the BVB game, that is what they will get.

29 Apr 2016 13:14:45
We kept a side that had won every game at home in the Europa league and most of their league games relatively quiet and had it finished 0-0 I think it would have been job done and everyone fairly happy! As it stands there's very little difference in the mentality for next week I would say only that they will start more defensive I would guess but either way we still have to beat them and I would have us still as favourite's to go through.

29 Apr 2016 16:26:57
i was a bit dissapointed last night. Mainly with how defensively we set up would have been nice to be a bit more attacking but i guess the thinking was get a 0-0 then win it at anfield. Far from over but a bit more of a difficult task especially if they get a away goal.

29 Apr 2016 09:15:47
We are always likely to leak goals on the counter because we have very little structure to our game. I love our mids but how often do ya see lallana, milner, allen, lucas, coutinho, van, hendo all sprint up to the man in possession only to be taken completely out of play by one touch or one pass!? It is how we play so I suppose we have to live with it for now! But we did get punished on this occassion. Moreno seems to be getting a bit of stick, but it's never fair pinpointing one player. Ed001 said it best about
our midfield.

29 Apr 2016 11:18:34
We have lots of structure, our players running up to the man in possession is called pressing and it's one of Klopp's defining tactics. Yes it can be overcome but the thought is that it works more often than not and helps us win games.

As for Moreno, Klopp has given him responsibility to provide our attacking width on the left. This is a contributing factor to why he's often caught up field (not the only one mind) . It's another trade off between attacking intent and defence.

29 Apr 2016 11:21:27
It's def not fair blaming Moreno. he is being asked to constantly play far to attacking and high up the field because Klopp knows his ace will often get him back. but if he was just told to choose his moments a little more carefully and told to stay back when he clearly should have been at the end of games we would be more solid.

29 Apr 2016 09:28:05
By the time season ends majority on this page would get a clear idea of our actual problem that lies in the midfield. We had the ball most of the evening without troubling the yellow wall. We constantly passed sideways in search of an opening. If you don't have an intelligent CM you lack the cutting edge to split a defense. Villareal Is one among the many teams who sit back and happily allow us having the ball. We will never break such team unless you don't bring quality CM.

29 Apr 2016 11:47:51
Coutinho, firmino and sturridge need to be at their creative best next week!

Ye but ya don't havt to sprint up toa go and give yourself no chance torecover when, inevitably theh jink past ya! Dortmund carved us up time and time again (until the tidal wave came. ) . Hoping for the best next week! Of course we can do it!

29 Apr 2016 12:24:38
DGX is correct about our centre mid being a problem. They don't score, don't create enough and are too easily penetrated IMO. Sometimes they just seem to be someone for the defenders to pass to.

29 Apr 2016 12:35:20
agree with original post.

Pressing does not involve 3 or 4 men all going to the man with the ball - that's called naivety and something I wouldn't really enjoy from my under 12s side.

Pressing is nearest defender presses the ball, and everyone else gets touch-tight so there is no easy out ball.

Watched highlights again just and their goal, whilst Moreno quite clearly out of position, sees one touch take out 4 LFC players near half-way.

1 presses x 3 keep shape = clean sheet.

29 Apr 2016 13:06:25
Disagree Ron and the OP. There was structure to our game and I thought Lucas, Milner and Allen had a very good game. That was as good a well-drilled LFC team has played in 4 years, IMO. We`re not perfect yet but I thought we were very well-organized with Lucas and Allen and Milner in midfield. Allen should defo have scored on the first chance he got but won`t slate him for that. We outplayed them in midfield and stifled them. we didn`t press them as much as that could leave us open to the counter which is the bread and butter of Villareal. Remember, we didn`t have Can and Hendo, two players made for the high press so we had to adapt and I thought we did well there. We may not have been a threat going forward that much but neither were they. the goal happened, so be it. At 0-0 or 0-1 to us (we would never have scored 2 with the way they park the bus), nothing would have changed as the second leg would have been a re-do anyway. Support the club next week like you did vs BVB which was a more daunting task than this and let`s see what happens.

29 Apr 2016 13:24:37
Outplaying an opposition doesn't always mean attacking after attacking. It simply means to beat an opposition with your preferred style of play or tactics.

Villareal never attack any team and have been playing the sit back and counter through out the season and they did exactly that yesterday. They were happy with Liverpool having the ball and we did motion great with the ball did we?

Lucas was poor in the first half while the game just passed on by the side of Allen and Milner was usual whipping the balls into the 6 yard box when you don't have a striker inside.

Villareal will come to Anfield with only one mindset, defend through out the 90 minutes.

Redohio, you are comparing every team style with City / Arsenal / Dortmund.

Go back 2 years ago and check how Chelsea beat us Anfield in our game sitting back and hitting on the counter.

29 Apr 2016 15:28:34
What an odd argument Harry. Yes Chelsea beat us that season by sitting back and hitting on the counter. But we blew most teams aside that season with that style and finished significantly higher than Chelsea.

Also 'outplaying' an opposition is not just winning with your preferred style. It's excuting your gameplan in such a way that it does not leave the opposition any way to reply or execute theirs. It's much more than you're suggesting. And Villareal by no definition outplayed us yesterday - in fact, their goalkeeper was in the EL team of the week statistically.

29 Apr 2016 15:34:10
DGX
agree. there style of play is to sit back and counter.

They are 4th in La Liga and have only scored 42 goals and have a goal difference of +11 - that tells me they sit back and win tight games.

29 Apr 2016 15:51:01
I'll always support the team Ohio, that's a given, but our midfield has got problems. I think Klopp is going to make some big changes in there.

29 Apr 2016 18:04:31
Our midfield does have big problems. injuries!

29 Apr 2016 08:53:37
Thought that Bailly lad Waa excellent last night. Only 22 according to the commentator as well.

Not saying we should buy him off the back of seeing him play once, but from what I saw, he has a great future.

29 Apr 2016 13:08:21
He is very good. Word on the street that Barcelona is tracking him.

29 Apr 2016 17:11:38
The word on my street is all about water pipe replacements ;)

29 Apr 2016 17:21:46
Thanks Huggy.

29 Apr 2016 08:13:21
Funny - quite a few posts being ridiculously critical of last night. But only three names I've ever seen before.

One thing Klopp does need to understand from this though, and the reaction from this, is that Liverpool expect to play to win and that getting the result is non-optional if you decide not to. Between the Chelsea/ Real games of 2015, BR showed that he started to understand the concept but lacked the ability to execute it. Klopp last night had the same issue - we just looked like we were scared of a team with little worth being scared of, without the personnel to perform a shut out (if he had Sakho/ Matip, Hendo and Can then fine but he didnt) . Not a problem and if anything it's a good thing that it happened in a game that we actually do get a second chance at, but it's something that LFC fans will hope to see him take on board. He's been great at making sure our big games have been exciting until now, that's not an expectation that our fans are willing to let go of anytime soon.

Chin up lads!

29 Apr 2016 10:03:56
I didn't see it that way. If origi is fit he starts. Tells its own story really regardless what you think of the benched strikers? Joe allens shot goes in you all be saying masterclass.

29 Apr 2016 10:35:42
Come on john, you can't honestly tell me that you think that was the most dangerous team he could put out there - especially when he had an enforced change in Coutinho and went for Ibe not Sturridge. Yes the moaners would sit back down but in Europe, game management in the away leg is a common tactic and it's what Klopp tried.

29 Apr 2016 13:17:02
Hijkle, I disagree. This has nothing to do with any "LFC is expected to win" BS, something that no longer holds water right now. If that was the case, why did Rafa and Houllier always park the bus on the road in Europe while attempting to nick a goal or not concede? If you all think Klopp goes into a game plan with that "LFC pedigree" nonsense, you`re fooling yourselves. Coaches plan for the game in front of them and he put a team out to make sure that we have a chance in the second leg and despite the pathetic knee jerk reactions from some on here, the tie is till in the balance. I thought we were well-organized and did not press them as much because that is what they were expecting in order to counter us. We took the crowd out of the game and maybe could have been 1 nil up had JA took his chance. Even at 0-0 or 0-1 to us, NOTHING would have changed as the tie would still be in the balance so everyone needs to calm down ad build the second leg up as the biggest game in our history right now. Villareal will never face a more daunting atmosphere thn the one we will unleash on them next week and unlike last night, Benteke, Studge and Couts (who limped off, causing our lack of creativity) will play. Support the team and the manager who has made us relevant again in Europe because they need us now more than ever.

29 Apr 2016 15:36:48
Ohio you do this all the time mate, try and read what's actually been written - 'expect to play to win'. That's not 'expected to win' and I have no idea what your talking about with 'LFC pedigree', I've never even heard that term. It's about playing in such a way that gives us a chance to - our team yesterday at the start was fine but the way we actually played, and the lack of any action to change that, made it obvious we were not trying to win that.

And I don't know how old you are or how well you remember mate but Rafa's tactics especially on the road were actually very unpopular, even most liverpool fans hated watching us and eventually his negativity actually cost us a title we should have cruised to. The love of Rafa is largely down to the CL win and the clear love he had for us and Liverpool, it's 100% not down to the love of the football he had us playing which was absolutely horrible 90% of the time and a real downer when it was the centrepoint of your weekend.

I do support the manager. I have no problem forgiving clear tactical gambles that didn't pay off but don't pretend they didn't happen. And Coutinho didn't limp off. He walked off fine - he was ill, not injured.

29 Apr 2016 07:42:30
I can't believe people are whinging, yes the result wasn't great but it was fine margins that went against us. If robertos shot went in rather than hitting the post or lallana wasn't ruled offside we could of easily got the away goal. So rather than the tactics maybe we were just a bit unlucky, which you have to accept sometimes. It's hard but it's part of the game. Here's to a 3-1 win next week.

29 Apr 2016 07:52:29
It was tactics. Playing with no striker limited the amount of opportunities we had. You can't say we were unlucky because we missed a few shots. Teams miss good chances virtually every game, it's about creating enough chances in order to offset the ones you missed.

I love Klopp and he's barely put a foot wrong in his time here so far, but he stuffed up badly against Villareal. I get why you need to be cagey in European away legs, but he took that too far and fielded a depressingly negative team. I was like he didn't want to score an away goal! There's no reason why Sturridge should have been on the bench for the entire match, the game was calling out for him. I don't even agree with starting with a false 9 and leaving your top quality striker on the bench. You need to figure out tactics that accommodate him. Against BvB was different because at least Origi is a genuine striker himself, and at least he was in good form. Klopp was just trying to be too clever, and came unstuck the same way Guardiola did against Atletico.

29 Apr 2016 08:06:42
Not unlucky art all, maybe lallanas offside but do you really see him running through and scoring. We had three shots of meaning, Moreno on a counter, allens and firmino. We didn't deserve a goal.
If we held out for a 0-0 it's not an ideal result, if we played a striker, we could have still defended the same, they offered little going forward. But the away goal is crucial and that is that.
We should beat them at anfield, but we will play into their hands, it's going to be if we can break them down, and stop them countering.

29 Apr 2016 08:49:23
When these tactics worked against city you were all lauding a masterstrike. Seriously some f yous are unbelievable.

29 Apr 2016 08:59:46
He played that system so we had people back defending as good as studge us defending is not his game. just a thought what about playing both studge and benteke for the 2nd leg benteke never had a striker to play with as he like to drop back in the box where tudge like to be poaching.

29 Apr 2016 09:00:04
Hem, Sturridge wasn't fit and available against City. It was the best option we had.

29 Apr 2016 09:11:47
Nick your being an idiot, it was one game that could of easily swung the other way and then you would be top
Of the page lauding klopp for a wonderful away performance. Get a grip, 1 nil down against a crap team that don't travel well.

29 Apr 2016 09:26:46
I can't answer to that because your reply is barely comprehendible.

29 Apr 2016 10:18:45
Idiot was the correct term then.

29 Apr 2016 10:26:42
We got done by our mistake good teams punish you and that's what Villarreal are, it's a semi final. Have to disagree on creating chances though it's about being clinical, and either one of those goes in Klopp would of been a genius.

Basically all I'm saying is I don't think it was tactics if we don't make the mistake in the 90th min it goes down as a good result in the context of the tie.

29 Apr 2016 13:54:15
No Hem, you just don't structure sentences properly. If you're really comparing playing a false 9 at Etihad against City because we had no Sturridge, to playing a false 9 against Villareal when we did have Sturridge, then you're the idiot.

They were two different games. City left themselves a lot more open than Villareal did. Quit being petty.

29 Apr 2016 03:30:33
Is it more frustrating for you guys that we keep getting done in by individual lapses?

Every player will make mistakes but when it's the same 1 or 2 players all the time, it's just hsir-pullingly so.

How many goals and results have Migs and Moreno cost us this season?

I admire Klopp's patience. But it's frustrating.

The tie is still wide open though. Still positive. :)

29 Apr 2016 05:11:04
From Klopp's post-match comments, I suspect that he will be having a "chat" with Moreno about his positional awareness and his need to hustle back when under attack.
Not sure I would blame Migs for the goal.

29 Apr 2016 06:12:31
Wasn't blaming Migs for this one.

Just saying the 2 of them have been the usual suspects all season.

This one is clearly Moreno's baby .

29 Apr 2016 07:55:01
It's like Moreno actually forgets that he's a friggin' defender. Disappearing from your defensive line like that in injury time, I mean come on Alberto! Wake up!

The guy is in positional purgatory. He doesn't have enough defensive discipline to be a good fullback, but he doesn't have enough skill to be a winger.

29 Apr 2016 07:58:28
You say it's Moreno's but it's also another demonstration of Mings weaknesses - Moreno should have been there but wasn't. At which point Mings needs to be screaming at Kolo that there is a man behind him which Kolo looked shocked to discover - why won't they communicate?!

That being said, take nothing away from that first touch - brilliant.

29 Apr 2016 09:18:35
Moreno's fault that 4 other players in red got themselves taken out of the game by one pass? And I'm not talking about the diagonal to D. Suarez.

29 Apr 2016 06:39:05
I don't think we had any intention to score one either. Klopp must be stupid if he think we would not conced one. Our strength lies in going forward and not keeping it tight at the back.

29 Apr 2016 13:29:24
Kova, stop with the name calling because Klopp is far from stupid. was he stupid when he outcoached the Dortmund coach in two legs or did you think tactics and system changes during the game didn`t contribute to the comeback? if you think so then you`re the one who is not making any sense. Klopp did what he thought wwas right and had Allen taken that early chance, you wouldn`t be saying what you are saying now. There is a lot of blame to go around (Mingo is not to blame so stop with that nonsense, Hijkle) but at 0-0 or 0-1 to us, the tie would have still been in the balance so right now, we focus our ergy on giving them hell in the second leg as Anfield will be rocking.

29 Apr 2016 15:38:11
He had us lasting 91 minutes without conceeding, can't be that stupid if he was 1% of the game away from being dead right.

29 Apr 2016 01:41:47
Am I missing something? People talking like the tie is done, and we only down a goal heading home. They are a counter attacking team, and caught Moreno asleep in dying minutes and nipped a goal. We didn't even unleash Sturridge, who will be ready to prove himself at home. I don't think we have a clean sheet in us, so let's home we can bang in three goals at home and take the tie 3 - 2.

29 Apr 2016 05:29:31
3-2 we are out my friend.

29 Apr 2016 06:53:17
Salim, I believe coop was referring to 3-2 as the scoreline for the tie, 3-1 for the night.

29 Apr 2016 13:35:21
Coop, that is what some fickle fans have subjected this forum with after losing a European semi final first leg away tie to a team that will be there for the taking next week. Didn`t hear them whinge vs BVB, did we?