Liverpool Banter Archive December 29 2013

 

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29 Dec 2013 23:04:57
Why did rogers buy Alberto and sell shelvey I no shelvey may have wanted to leave and Alberto is for the future but our squad is small assaidi borini and suso all out on loan have as much quality as others if not more than others in the squad but were still in the mix must win game against hull MUST WIN I believe in rogers sooner the better players get back fit come on boys

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No offense assaidi and borini weren't impressive the few times they played for Liverpool.they both needed to go out on loan to improve.
The likes of suso and wisdom can only get better, keeping them on the bench isn't good for their development

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I no its the right thing to do but doesn't help with injuries leaving us so short just unlucky easy sitting here saying shoulda woulda coulda

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29 Dec 2013 22:56:11
. We need

A hustling type monster midfielder to hassle and hound and be that defensive rock in front of the back four but someone is is athletic so he can cover the ground quicker because I like Lucas but he's very slow

And the rest just attacking players who can score and create

So I know we need forwards and more Front three type players on the wings
But for me a solid defensive midfielder is needed so on away games ATLEAST we can change it up and tactically be more solid because our midfield three even with Gerard is not solid enough

By a tiote or medel type player. because defensively we are crap as a team we can't keep a lead

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29 Dec 2013 22:50:20
I hate saying this lads but 'told you so'!

Title contenders my a**e. Phil over rated. Where's his final ball? Fancy touches and that's all he offers. Beats a man then loses possession 80% of time. First goal down to him losing possession.

Hendo, Allen and Lucas. Just not good enough as a unit. Not mobile enough against technical players and not strong enough against physical players. Conclusion:- not good enough.

Mignolet, a shot stopper petrified of coming off his line. Consequently we naturally sit deep giving up our midfield. Rodgers thinks Skrtle, Sakho and co can play the ball out from the back. Dream on Brendon. We create our own problems at the back with this arrangement.

Johnsons a disgrace. Playing with a face because he's been told no to a renewed contract on same income as FSG no they can bring in a 23 year old full back on quarter of his wage to plug the Suarez increase.

Now onto Rodgers and his transfer/ managerial skills. Ilori, Alberto, Borini, Aspas, Assiadi, Cissoko £40 mill and wages and he brings Brad Smith on, a 19 year old from the academy when losing 2-1 against Chelsea! Don't hit me with 'what about Sturridge, Phil, Sakho and Mig. Do you think we would've signed mig or Sakho if Arsenal, Chelsea, City or the likes were in for a keeper/ centre half? No. Sturridge was a
gamble, Phils over rated, the rest are crap and we'll find that out in the second half of the season when they're relied upon through injuries.

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29 Dec 2013 23:29:53
Ozone stop being a little girl! rodgers had done a fantastic job since he's been at Liverpool and I hope he continues to progress as a manager with us. But if uve come to that conclusion just after game today then your a bigger fool than I originally thought! howard webb was well u all know!

But we was top a weeks ago, dropped out of 4th place but one point behind everton. Take a chill pill panacing over a lil bit of misfortune. We will be back on track In the new year.

And finally ozone seen as your so knowlegable about football go an do your coaching badges and stop wasting time posting tripe on here.

ACHILLES.

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Keep up the good work with the blind faith Achilles. We beat a poor Manchester United early doors. Couldn't beat a 10 man Newcastle, got thumped at Hull, caught Spurs out under an inept coach. Got beat by City, Arsenal and Chelsea. We've took 5 points out of a possible 18 away from 6 out of top 7 clubs. That's not top 4 material nd that's not progress, specifically bearing in mind the wasted transfer pot.

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In fact why is Rodgers harping on about a thin squad? He has Aspas, Ilori, Alberto and Cissoko on the bench. Borini and Assiadi out on loan. All his signings. So what does he mean by a shallow squad. Has he know faith in his own signings?

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So, just to clarify Ozone. The only way is down then from here on in?

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Achilles, try the search button son, I said months ago we wouldn't be in top four come the new year. My opinion isn't knee jerk post today. I don't like Rodgers, he's a youth coach, that's it.

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30 Dec 2013 00:50:19
Ozone mate no doubt Rodgers has done some mistakes as you mentioned some of his signings but you can't deny the progress we have made under him, we are closer to top then we were under previous mangers, his playing some youngsters with clear philosophy, very few managers can do that & still be fighting for champions league/title! Mate his a very good manager with attacking style of footy, in few years will be ruling EPL, just have some patience!

Kopforever

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Ozone, you only show you're face after a loss, where was you after the Spurs game? you're pathetic.

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Dear Mr/Mrs/Mst/Ms Ozone,
Now I see, you either dislike Rodgers or not a fan of Liverpool FC. That's why you happy when we lost and never appear when we win and play well.
What have Rodgers done to you?
Rodgers make mistakes surely but we can, or at least I, can see improvement under his reign. You continue slating players when we lost and never praise them when they deserve make me doubt that you support Liverpool. I agree with Johnson part though.
If you think that our players all not good enough what do you suggest? Buy Ronaldo, Messi, Hazard, Mata and Hummels? Hendo, Allen, Lucas is what we have right now and Rodgers bring the best out of them and that shows his managerial skill. Targetting Mkhitaryan and Diego Costa and also Buying Sturridge, Coutinho and Mignolet shows Rodgers has eyes for good players. With our financial power right now who would you buy for goalkeeper and playmaker? You play too much football manager and I think your judgement is clouded with your hatred toward Rodgers or Liverpool FC.

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You don't like Rodgers, johnsons poor displays are FSGs fault, everyone is crap except Coutinho who is overrated, and we only managed to sign mingnolet and Sakho because no one else was after a goalkeeper or CB? Also, beating Man U and Spurs was down to their performances not ours.
Fantastic post Ozone, reasoned, objective and well thought out. The only area you've not covered is FSG. Surely they should shoulder some of the blame? After all they are only in this for their own hedge fund profiteering ends. Or have you given up on that particular conspiracy theory for now?
Good to have you back Ozone, there's been far too much support for what's taking shape at our club on these pages, and not enough reasoned criticism for the dire path BR and FSG are leading us down.
Keep up the good work mate.

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You are right about some of his signings not being the best but slating the team after two tough away losses is just being ignorant
Our target has always been top4, which we would definitely make if we continue winning those games we are expected to win
Stop whining and support the team

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30 Dec 2013 07:42:09
"You don't like rodgers and he's only a youth coach"! Typical small minded comment I expected from you I suppose ozone the way i'm looking at it is we havnt been challenging that top 4 for a least 3-4 years. which we are doing this season. We are playing more attractive/intelligent football and we are a lot more stable not to mention we are in a position where we are able to give youth a chance in the first team(PROB DOWN TO INJURIES) that's mainly down to rodgers not to mention jordan henderson and john flanagan to come on leaps and bounds under what other manager have we had so many youth given a chance?

And to say we beat a "poor united early doors" have you forgot that they are the champions of england? We can only beat what's put in front of us if there poor its not our problem we should take credit for taking advantage of there situation but just remember we are in a league where anyone can beat anyone. So losing to lower teams like the hull games like that will happen they've happened to everyone and will continue to happen but the last two games we played we should of had a points from either game but the decisions went against us if they came off we would still b in top 4 going into the new year but SH*EP HAPPENS.

ACHILLES.

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Well said Plymouth Red! there hasn't been a whimper from Ozone while we were top of table and now when we are in fifth who appears again. OZONE!

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No Plymouth Red, I just don't engage in the Rodgers/ FSG worshiping with you lot after a win.

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30 Dec 2013 09:45:52
Think its funny that 8 other poster are all more or less on the same page about rodgers and Liverpool we won't hear from ozone for a while now.

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What's taking shape Bigbadben. Take Suarez and his goals out the mix and what have we got from Rodgers signings? 70% can't get in them team. Rodgers resorts to sort just as he did from the outset. Brings in Allen, Sahin, Assiadi and co then come Jan went back to Downing and Lucas. Doing the same now with Cissoko, Alberto and Aspas whilst Borini and Assiadi sit on respective benches elsewhere and Illori becomes the scarlet pimpenal. He's a clown with new teeth.

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I also see the trend emerging, indonisianred, American Bigbadben, Plymouth red, Irish rover. How much do you lot spend a year in travel and gate fees? Keep up the blind faith in Rodgers from your armchairs lads.

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30 Dec 2013 11:45:55
Ye sit back in your armchairs lads because next we will be on ITV lol

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I don't have the luxury to fly across the sea every week just to see the matches. but just because I dont, and u do, it don't make u a better fan than I am. I am surprised people of your thinking still exist these days. I dream of going to anfield and watch us every week be it in a lost or a win. if that's how u think of the supporters, go and support everton. not many from outside would argue with u then. such narrow thinking. while u may have some point on some of your arguement, u are narrow minded. way behind globalisation lad. coming from a person who lives in a developing country. shame on you.

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I'm all for a global support Kaizer. I'd just like to see the foreign comrades participate in contributing to a decent atmosphere instead of standing silent. This very issue was discussed on the way home after both Man City and Chelsea.

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Id scream my lungs out if I was there, just like I did when Liverpool came to malaysia, my country. I understand where your coming from, but that reply doesn't fit what u said above. i'm not the one to hate you (well your famously hated amongst some other here), as I do believe sometimes u speak the truth that fans don't want to admit, but that one was abit rude I felt. sorry if I was harsh.

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OZONE, totally agree with what you
saying, when RODGERS bought
ASPES, ALBERTO, he was talking them up as world beaters then
proceeds to not play them even in
games when were 4 - 0 up, that says
a lot about the manager, the man
talks BULL.

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Also I haven't got a problem with
a manager talking his signings up
all managers do that, but if your not
playing YOUR signings even when
your team are beating cannon-fodder
then there is something fundamentally wrong.

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Apologies if I offended Kaiser. As I said, I personally welcome the global aspect of LFC. I enjoy swapping views with the chaps from other country's at the games and I appreciate how difficult it is for you guys to get to games. I only throw the armchair statement in the mix as a winde up for certain posters who I have long term running disputes with. Unfortunately, these guys actually think Rodgers walks on water.

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29 Dec 2013 22:35:27
Would it not be viable for Liverpool to build an underground car park, so they can maximise space. This would allow to build outwards and upwards. Also will the club not consider expanding the kop stand and make it a 20,000 seater. Imagine the roar from that. We need to make the most of the area we have. 60,000 is probably common ground but realistically we need 70-75,000 seater

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{Ed002's Note - I don't think the club can afford to go above 60k.}

29 Dec 2013 22:21:05
Midfield

I love our midfield 3 of Lucas, Allen and Henderson but we cannot play all 3 of them together for an extended period of time.
Hendo has scored 13 league goals in his career, Allen has 8 and Lucas has 1
Added to coutinho's 14 we basically have Gerrard as the only midfield player who maybe will add in a decent amount of goals

My worry is that if we lose Suarez there aren't enough goals in the rest of the side to get us into the top 4 and it looks like we may be fighting United and Spurs for 4th place.

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29 Dec 2013 21:30:25
The squad needs a few additions to help the players that are working so hard of late.We are really playing some great entertaining stuff at times.I love watching us play these days Brendan's done a marvellous job, I am so glad he doesn't play the defensive game of his mentor.Grinding out results. Chelsea played exciting football to get into the lead in the first half and then shut up shop.We are running ourselves into the ground at the minute, but the style we are playing keeps you watching till the end, I know a lot of neutrals who switched off when Chelsea played United or Arsenal and City, But they all stay to the end when we play at the moment.Keep it going Brendan, you are doing a top job.

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29 Dec 2013 21:52:59
Keep your chin's up lads.
You have just had 2 very very hard games. Ok you lost them both, but to be fair, you could have won them both with a little rub of the green and some better refereeing decisions.
You are only 6 points off top and can claw that back within a week and you have played the main contenders away from home, so plenty of Anfield games to come.
We are top but trust me, there's nothing between Arsenal and Liverpool, indeed, there's nothing between the top 5/6 teams.

Keep up that famous "Kop" spirit, you will be in the mix come May.

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I've read your replies/posts a few times mate and it's refreshing not to have supporters from other clubs come on her to wind people up hope you had a good Xmas and have a happy new year mate.

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Reusch,
Pleasure mate. All the best to you and your family for the new year.

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Arsenal are flying, I don't think you ll quite last the pace though

a question for you dag. how do you rate ozil so far? he s a good player but seems to go missing in games esp big games

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If that post don't ease the pain don't no what will nice to hear just wondering did a ed create you to clam down us Liverpool fans

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Dagenham Gunner, a voice of reason.

A neutral who can see that we had the two ******* hardest games against the money teams and two of the worst refereeing performances you will see this side of graham poll in the Germany V Croatia match.

Have a good new year DG. Top lad.

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Hi Tom,

Good question. I think the signing of Ozil divides opinion, even amongst Gooners.

I believe he is a very good player.
World class? No. Ronaldo is world class because he can win you games, time after time, even if he only touches the ball a dozen times, 2 of those touches will probably result in goals, and 3 points. Messi is the same.

Ozil was a fantastic buy, a statement buy and one that will further attract other big players. The Benzemas and Gundagon's and Marco Reuss's of this world will be thinking " I would love to play with Ozil, maybe I should join Arsenal.

I personally think he should be judged next season, once he has settled in and got use to the Prem League.
He is a terrific player but does have a tendency to go "walkabout" but his goal assists is second to none, not just England but in world football.

Has scored 4 goals and I think there's more to come and he links up very well with our other mids and forwards line.

Great signing I believe, and there's a lot more to come from him.
I think your very own Luis Suarez would love to see him behind him in a Liverpool shirt (smiles)

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Hi Dezy,

Bless you. Nah mate, I love Arsenal to bits, have done for 40 years, but I also have an appreciation for clubs who do things the correct way.

Arsenal is in my blood but respect Liverpool and their supporters.

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{Ed002's Note - And I will say that DG is right up there with Blair Mayne over decent "banter".}

Speaking of Blair mayne, where did he go to? Has he changed his name without me realising? Do you know ed?
Cheers

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Thank you Mark E Smith and a happy new year to you and your family.

Thank you Ed002, pleasure as always.

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29 Dec 2013 20:42:42
ed apparently the betting on salah joining lfc has been suspended? Also rumours on twitter has it that lfc in for seamus coleman; apparently he has a £16m release clause in his contract so if that's matched EFC won't be able to interfere. anything on this?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to any Twitter rumours.}

So what are you going to do ngo? Bid 16m and £1 in the hope that EFC will accept? You've not got a cat in hell's chance of signing Seamus and another thing why would he consider joining a team outside of the top 4 when he will be playing CL with Everton next season?

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30 Dec 2013 17:57:54
Nah Davey 16m and a shiny penny should do

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29 Dec 2013 20:53:05
Rossiter was on the bench? I reckon Brendan Rodgers wants him in his Fifa team in the next updates!

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29 Dec 2013 20:45:33
Didn't get to catch the match but have spoken with mates about it, apparently we didn't play well but were unlucky with decisions from ref. but need to look at the positives, still in contention for the title which is miles ahead of what we were expecting and fourth looks a possibility. Been unlucky in big games ( Everton, City & apparently Chelsea) and have had a full strength squad for majority of the season. Missed key players (Suarez, Sturridge, Stevie and Enrique) for large parts of the season. This effects are squad massively because we don't have the quality of depth of the top teams in the BPL.

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Srz hit send early. but to continue don't think we are far off a top team and if we can add quality signings plus get some key players back feel very positive about the season. As good as sterling is would like to see him as much more of an impact player and if we can add a quality winger/forward and a quality midfield would have competition for places. More importantly would leave us with players on the bench who can change a game or make a bigger impact which we lack. Think our starting XI when fit is able to compete with anyone's but don't have many options from the bench. But linked with good players to improve a quality side. plus compare the team and it's progress to the team at the start of the season and our position this time round and can't help but feel we're going in the right direction

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29 Dec 2013 20:41:22
Hi Eds and all the posters.
Seeing as we have goal line technology now is there any chance we could have officials technology also.
2 games on the trot now we have been done by bad decisions from officials.
Clear foul on Suarez by Eto'o with the ref only 10 yards away and he shouldn't have even been on the pitch after his lunge at Henderson.
First half they wanted it more and we was 2nd to the ball and not winning the 2nd balls either.
2nd half was a much more even game where anything could have happened.
We just haven't got the squad at the moment and need some reinforcements asap.
Once we start to get players back and hopefully some new ones in January we will be in the mix at the end of the season.
Hope you all had a great Christmas and have a wonderful new year.

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I would love to know what fellow reds and other fans think of football employing a similar system to what they use in cricket? Exclusive of using goal line technology, why not use a referrals system whereby each team gets two referrals each for what they think could prove to be a major decision, such as a penalty or possible red card decision that may have been missed or missed judged by a referee. Once used the referee refers to an official watching on a monitor who reports back with the correct decision. Once you have had your two referrals that's it, the referees decision there after stands . Surely this kind of system would stop the constant analysis we have week in week out over a referees performance and would go someway to preventing the possible loss of points which through the course of a season could prove to be crucial i.e. the Chelsea penalty against west brom.

What do you guys think?

Ian the red

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And how many penalties would skrtle give away every game?

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Top teams have good home records for a reason - just look at the volume of dodgy decisions afforded Chelsea at Stamford Bridge this year alone. Eto'o "challenge" a clear penalty, ref 5 yards away and nothing. If that is not corruption what is it?

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Quite agree MIKEY Skrtyl should be conceding at least 3 or 4 goals per game. And I thought most players only wanted to swap shirts at the end of each game?

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29 Dec 2013 20:33:18
I felt we were second best today
The draw would of been fair. Heads up!
Bring on hull

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29 Dec 2013 20:45:36
if we were 2nd best why would a draw be a fair result, chelsea played very well in parts of the game but we had r moments of good play and a few decisions that went against us a bit, a draw imo would have been a very fair result.

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Did you honestly watch the match? How can you say Lucas is slow? He was one our best players and I'm glad to see he has a very hard side to him when he grabbed and told Oscar off!
Great player, Brazil regular.

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29 Dec 2013 19:57:33
Johnson needs to be dropped, he thinks his undoubted ability will get him by but it will only up to a point. Against the big teams he also needs to put in the effort and I don't think he has that work ethic in him.

Also think we missed Flanagan, throughout the game we missed an outlet on the left, everything was going down the right.

Lucas is far too slow, we need a faster defensive mid.

Allen does not offer enough of an attacking threat. Hopefully Gerrard will be back next game.

Sterling played well, improving every game. Suarez worked his socks off as usual but lacked any service.

Can't wait to see Salah and another midfielder to give us the depth we need to challenge the big sides

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I thought Lucas was brilliant. Did the work of 2 men! Him and Allen!

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Mate Lucas was fantastic today.

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Lucas played well mate

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Completely agree 'redmist' with regards to Johnson, well apart from the 'undoubted ability' bit.I very much doubt his ability and have done for some time.It's a situation akin to the one we were in with Stewart Downing, just not good enough but continues to play.How long will it continue, not to much longer me thinks!

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Lucas got over ran.

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Johnson was pitiful - his blase attitude cannot go on, don't care if we throw in a 14 year old in his place he undermines the whole team, consistently our worse performer by miles.

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29 Dec 2013 19:28:27
Following on from my post where I was worried we looked leggy toward the end at city I think again we were very tired today. As soon as we went behind we struggled to press as intensely as we have done in the games we've won. That being said we are still in a strong position especially to fight for top 4, title may be a push now.

I only hope we can win the next couple games in quick succession and then try and regroup throughout January.

Finally is ibe injured? Thought he would have given us something in that second half ahead of Smith anyway who I felt sorry for coming on in that game at that time?

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29 Dec 2013 19:30:41
Salah, Rakitic and a striker needed. Btw I thought Cissokho played decent against city why was he not played today

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Cissoko was at fault for first goal against City, daydreaming. He doesn't track back. Useless.

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The first goal against City was from a corner that Kompany scored. Skrtel was man marking Kompany, so how was Cissohko at fault?

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I thought cissokho played well too

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Apologies, 2nd goal.

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29 Dec 2013 19:28:27
Following on from my post where I was worried we looked leggy toward the end at city I think again we were very tired today. As soon as we went behind we struggled to press as intensely as we have done in the games we've won. That being said we are still in a strong position especially to fight for top 4, title may be a push now.

I only hope we can win the next couple games in quick succession and then try and regroup throughout January.

Finally is ibe injured? Thought he would have given us something in that second half ahead of Smith anyway who I felt sorry for coming on in that game at that time?

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29 Dec 2013 19:27:25
BR should have had Ibe and Teixeira on the bench. Them coming on would have made more sense than Aspas and Smith. and also that's why Agger is a centre back.

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Ibe is injured, teixeira would have been bullied easily today isn't ready yet

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29 Dec 2013 20:58:20
Brad smith or texiera playing left attackin position I kno i'd pik texiera desrved to b der

Abbas lfc

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So you think Teixiera, an attacking midfielder who is 20 (and has been on loan I would imagine to toughen him up) and is a Portugal Under 21 international would get bullied but a 19 year old left back in brad smith wouldn't? Doesn't make sense. BR must not rate him.

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29 Dec 2013 19:23:52
earth to macca

where are you macca?

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29 Dec 2013 19:20:40
well a little disappointed with the result obviously but I don't think anyone is particularly at fault. I thought Webb was decent enough, although many fouls throughout the game I think the bookings should have started a little earlier than they did. We played a good game today and beyond that this game showed the depth of our squad, which is not good. We have unfortunately lost key players to injury which could have helped today. I think Johnson either needs a break or something because he has looked out of sorts lately. I saw we tried to play fast and give fast passes but when Johnson got the ball he just took too long to decide on what to do. I think skrtl had a decent game, any opinions on whether he should stay or go? I think we definitely need a left back in the transfer window as agger obviously doesn't have the pace to defend or to run for a pass. I don't think mignolet was at fault for the second goal, it was very close range and perhaps the defense should have done a better job of keeping the ball away. I think we need another CM, either with more speed, creaitivty and defense minded. Honestly let's just get it out, we were beat by the better team. if anything we deserved the draw but not the win. Sakho's header was just unlucky not to go in but what I have seen is the team never gives up and keeps battling and battling forward trying to get something. Chelsea's players are just too fast especially willan and hazard. I feel this was a good game and the team should not lose hope of not being in the top 4 for the new year. let's not forget this season everything is different than its ever been. we can't write off and say that we won't get back in because around 2 months ago after dropping from the top spot many said we would never see it again, which we did over the Christmas period. Manchester city have lost to Cardiff, Chelsea have lost to stoke, and everton have lost to sunderland. i'm sure more matches like this will occur and many teams will on the occasion drop no points no matter what. All that's important is for us to keep playing our game and taking as many points as possible. on the plus side gerrard should be back against hull and sturridge perhaps in another 2 weeks so mostly by the time we head to stoke city. So basic needs I think for transfer window are, an attacking player maybe salah and maybe cristian tello if he is still a possibility, a cm like perhaps rakitic or m'villa. also we may have to look for a left back and even a right back as Johnson just isn't producing. Perhaps Montoya from Barcelona. Eds any updates on players that are available and we can most likely be able to sign? let's keep it up team and we as supporters have the obligation to stand by our team and let them know that they have not failed us and that we can continue on to accomplish our goals together! YNWA!

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new on players that I can think of. I will be heading off tomorrow for a few days and will be with some folks who may have some news - and I will post it if anything comes up.}

I thought Webb was decent enough

I couldn't read after hearing that. Webb made two disgraceful decisions which cost us points.

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I thought the constant award of free kicks to Chelsea when their players (Hazard and Oscar with special mentions here) threw themselves to ground every time they felt a breath on their neck was especially galling. How can we as a team press players when the ref awards a foul everytime one of their men hits the deck after a spurious challenge? Embarrassing tactics by Chelsea but they got the decisions as they always do and we suffered as a result.

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Eto was a red card imo . webb has always been a poor ref but he bottled it today, could have ended hendersons season today and if that had been other way round we would have been down to ten men . at anfield we do get some decisions but in the last two games we have had a few go against us, hopefully it evens out .

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29 Dec 2013 19:15:29
Ed I see both Allen and Sakho went off injured today, do you know at this stage how bad they are or was it just fatigue?

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{Ed002's Note - It is traditionally a couple of days before injuries can be assessed (swelling going down, scans etc.). It certainly won't be fatigue.}

Allens done his aducter, usually 3 weeks out and Sakho his hamstring, anything from 4-8 weeks.

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29 Dec 2013 19:11:18
I know we've done well in 2013 and we've started this season very well I guess compared to the last two, but look at the table at the half way point, we've conceded more goals than the whole of the top 6 and that includes utd. We've lost 5 games in the first half if the season, and not trying to be to negative but we've not won in any of the big games we've had, we beat utd when they were poor and had no trust in there new manager. But apart from that any remotely hard games we've had we've lost or drawn. Swansea away Newcastle away Everton away arsenal at home Southampton at home city away Chelsea away. That's not good enough in my eyes. Plus utd and Tottenham are only two points behind us!
I'm not trying to put a damper on 2013 but if we keep going like this were gunna loose 10 games this season and that is not good enough to finish top four.
We need help big time in January Alonso not signing a new contract at Madrid, if a player of his ability is available then get him! Hopefully sturridge can stay fit for the rest of the season because you can't win big games without your big players simple!

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The calendar year we have improved a lot. Don't forget the we have all top sides at home second half of the season. We are doing fine.

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Spot on LFC for life.

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29 Dec 2013 19:01:26
Think some people are making a little too much of the last two games. City was tight and in my opinion we deserved to win and were very unlucky and although the same can't be said today, we were still unlucky and still could have drawn or won the game without playing well. All this without our best two full backs this season when they have played in Enrique and Flanagan, without gerrard, without sturridge and also without bench players like Moses.
And even with the results the way they are we are fifth, one point off top four and four off third and all of our big games for second half of the season are at home except man united and Southampton as we have city, Chelsea, arsenal, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, hull, Swansea all at anfield.
All of this with some bad luck with injuries and suspensions like Luis, sturridge. Gerrard, Enrique, countinho all missing more than six games in a row
I for one am feeling very positive
Well done boys

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29 Dec 2013 19:00:31
Think that over the last two games we've had a good go but just fallen short. Not had the rub of the green from the refs. I do think though, although I like him as a player, that the quality of Coutinho's passing is really poor. All too often he seems to miss the pass, too heavy or too inaccurate. For someone who's game is all about what you do with the ball is be wanting more from his excellent technical game

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29 Dec 2013 18:57:28
a full strength chelsea with full strength bench vs Liverpool with at least 3 main players injured & weak bench. considering the gap in quality, we played pretty well. obviously disappointed to be out of top 4 but it can actually be a blessing in disguise. it shows we need to spend, wisely and for both the present and the future. being 1st at this point could have been deceiving for us. but being in the mix for top 4 is what our squad is capable of at the moment.
its been a good year for us, a bid disappointing end though. hopefully we can make 2014 better. come on you reds YNWA!

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{Ed001's Note - they were missing a few players, such as Ramires, who was banned.}

But Edd, bringing Cole off the bench showed the difference about the depth of squad.
That said if we had Stevie and Studge on the bench to come on? Then who knows how it might of ended?

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29 Dec 2013 18:54:56
Hi eds and reds

To add to my earlier post. I think there's a time and place to bring on a rookie like young smith. but in such a big game I think was a poor call for such a young lad. don't get me wrong. I like to see the new gen coming through, but this was not the time. I think Alberto should have been the choice. but what do I know

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I agree, think it was a bad decision to bring on Smith when you have Alberto.

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Couldnt agree more, the poor lad was way out of his depth. even kolo out of position would have been a better choice

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29 Dec 2013 19:20:24
maybe brendan wanted someone with more pace than alberto to push chelsea back a bit, young smith seemed to settle as the game went on and at 19 the same age as sterling who gets lots of stick when he has a bad 1, I would not criticize the manager we all like to say how great the young lads r coming through. well the way injuries r going we r going to need some to stand up and be counted age is no excuse if it is then they should be on r bench.

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I think the theory is that featuring young Jordan Rossiter on the bench and giving a debut to a 19 year old in such a big game is a hint to suggest that the squad is very thin to the owners and that signings are vital if we are to press on in the 2nd half of the season.

I understand this logic however do not condone the substitution of Smith in a game like today and think it was a slightly foolish move as he did look out of place, as would any 19 year old debutant in such a difficult game.

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I love to see youth getting a chance and understand that it takes time become a 1st team player but I really felt sorry for smith today. couldn't have had a worse 30 minutes if he tried. I hate managers that play players out of position especially youth players

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29 Dec 2013 18:46:45
Two very good performances and you were very unlucky to come out of them with no points.
We are top but not playing at our best and struggling to get going again after hitting the wall, while you have gone from top to 5th playing extremely well, Jimmy Greave's was right it really is a funny old game.

One thing is for sure of us both we are heading back to being a top team in the world toughest league once again.

Happy new year Liverpool, I'm very sure it will be

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29 Dec 2013 19:03:22
You My Friend, the Best Gunner I have ever met here.
Congraatzz for being the No.1, We would come back. we have been and we strongly believe in ourslef.

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29 Dec 2013 19:25:31
if Liverpool don't win the league arsenal winning it wouldn't be too bad like how many players have jumped ship and still they r up there sicken the likes of van persie nasri adebayor cole.

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A sign of a great team is a team that doesn't play well and wins!

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29 Dec 2013 18:38:26
I am still ecstatic. Again we didn't get the rub today but Chelsea did play well. Moreover i'm ecstatic about sitting where we are having played all the top 8 away except for Utd. My opinion you would need to be an absolute clown to not appreciate what Rodgers has done. He needs to keep it up tho. No point in blowing it in the second half and finishing 6th or 7th. He has us playing well and we compete now with anyone. A few less injuries would be a great help. Keep it up boys.

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Well said Irish.

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Good post. You have to appreciate that it takes time to build a title winning team. Brenden Rogers has done a brilliant job, and probably is, in his own eyes, ahead of schedule. I am sure his intention is to add two or three players each year, see how it goes with the intention of improving each year. He himself is still learning as he goes, and will make mistakes on the way, and come up against more experienced managers. However, be patient he will succeed. Liverpool will soon be back where they belong and challenging for all the main prizes, including the champions league. We all blame the refs and the opposing players for cheating or bad decisions when we lose, but sometimes have to accept that maybe our team is not quite the "best" team in the country yet. I am a Chelsea supporter, having had to suffer years of losing to Liverpool in the shankly/paisley era ( having posted before about my suffering), but Liverpool will always be the " big" team in England. It will take a decade or a generation of youngsters growing up to chelsea success before we can be compared to team like Liverpool. Just remember be patient, accept defeats on the long road to the summit, you will soon be back to the top where your club and wonderful supporters belong.

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Good post. You have to appreciate that it takes time to build a title winning team. Brenden Rogers has done a brilliant job, and probably is, in his own eyes, ahead of schedule. I am sure his intention is to add two or three players each year, see how it goes with the intention of improving each year. He himself is still learning as he goes, and will make mistakes on the way, and come up against more experienced managers. However, be patient he will succeed. Liverpool will soon be back where they belong and challenging for all the main prizes, including the champions league. We all blame the refs and the opposing players for cheating or bad decisions when we lose, but sometimes have to accept that maybe our team is not quite the "best" team in the country yet. I am a Chelsea supporter, having had to suffer years of losing to Liverpool in the shankly/paisley era ( having posted before about my suffering), but Liverpool will always be the " big" team in England. It will take a decade or a generation of youngsters growing up to chelsea success before we can be compared to team like Liverpool. Just remember be patient, accept defeats on the long road to the summit, you will soon be back to the top where your club and wonderful supporters belong.

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29 Dec 2013 18:37:50
Our midfield is just not good enough compared to the likes of chelsea, arsenal, man city nor our wings.we seriously need to get 2-3 players when the transfer widow opens.Even though lfc didn't get nothing from the last two game, there is still half a season to play.Hope br learns from his mistake and start to win big games like this.
YNWA

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I think our midfield is top class. Allen hendo and Lucas work well together. We've got no width aside from sterling. Coutinho always drifts centre and with agger behind him he had no overlapping help. We need some wingers in jan, a goals scoring CM and someone to replace the crappy GJ and well be ok.

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Midfield was tired today our squad is to small we are unlucky with injures 3 main players especially when smith came on offered nothing Alberto was one the bench Why not???

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I agree with dezy

our midfield looked tired

and what does alberto have to do to get some mins on the field
he was the obvious choice today to come on for allen

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With the injuries we picked up we probably need 3-4

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Allen and hendo played with injuries for most of the game.lucas just isn't good enough he is so immobile

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With the injuries we picked up we probably need 3-4

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29 Dec 2013 18:37:21
I thought we played well for the most part throughout the game, both Chelsea's goals came off half chances which couldn't be stopped. I though mignolet let us down again on the etoo goal but he made some fantastic saves throughout. Sterling is really stepping up his game lately and turned in another brilliant performance. Also credit to smith who did well coming on in a charged environment and doing well. For me I think glen Johnson was our stand out stinker again. He looks uninterested, slow to react, And for someone who tries to beat people on the dribble he's showing some poor technique. I think an extended spell on the bench is needed to maybe pull him down from the clouds. Agger showed all of those claiming he can play LB or CDM that he should stick to CB. Not to knock our captain but he doesn't have the isolation skills needed to play a modern Fullback position. I think after smiths showing he should get a chance. Here's hoping for some reinforcements in January because I think we have one of the best first 11's in the pl but our bench leaves a lot to be desired. Chelsea had some 100 million sitting in the sidelines+ a full first class 11 out on loan. We've had a 16 yr old a 19 yr old as 2 out of the 7. Heads up it's not over yet. The big boys still need to visit fortress anfield!

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2 goals that couldn't be stopped? Are you for real!

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Sorry - sterling brilliant? Do me a favour lightweight, runs up blind alleys, gives away possession, no end product and worst of all in front of goal got no composure, I know I know he's only 19 but he's had quite a good run in the team now however he's not improving in all the areas mentioned, him and Johnson the weak links today and how we need Enrique and Sturridge back quickly, if aspas had had the opportunity sterling's had over the last few weeks we'd have scored more goals certain of it!

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Stevieh
You don't call 3 goals in 6 games improving?

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Only caught the second half and felt smith should never have been imtroduced. we had no threat down the left and should have given aspas a run before. don't want to knock smith but I felt he was way out of his depth and I really felt sorry for him. barely managed to control the ball let alone imfluence the game.wheres ibe? coutinho was non exsitent also

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First goal the ball bounced off sahko a shins and fell directly in hazards path and he hit a worldly into the top corner. No chance there.

The etoo goal sure it shouldn't have happened because he should have been off for the hendo challenge but again it was a very lucky break.

Sterling had a fine game in my eyes, iam sorry that I keep positive and stand by my team win or lose. I don't slate all or players and say this guys crap cause he missed a sitter or this guys crap cause he let in a soft goal. These are learning experiences and if every game miggy let in a howler yea maybe I'd sharpen the axe. I love the banter on the site but I am ashamed of some of the so called supporters on the page. I love Liverpool win loss or draw yea I get dissappinted at times but as long as you wear the reds YOULL NEVER WALK ALONE!

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29 Dec 2013 18:30:30
Eds do you know how Sturridge's injury is coming along?

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{Ed002's Note - Give him 10 days and he should be fine.}

29 Dec 2013 18:51:28
warning to all managers if u slate one of the f.a dinosaurs beloved police I mean ref's u get webb the week later with instructions to give u nothing, to be honest I always thought webb would turn into a good ref but since he bottled it in the world cup final he has gone as bad as the rest, so glad I turned my back to him once when he went to speak to me

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Is Gerrard back on Wednesday eds?

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{Ed001's Note - should be fit to play, yes.}

29 Dec 2013 18:17:39
Well it's a disappointing end to 2013, but let's be fair, we've had a great 12 months in the premier league. (The FA cup didn't happen).
Credit to the manager his methods have improved the team as well as individuals. For the first time in a long time I feel confident in saying our manager gets the best out of his resources. He also gets the players to play entertaining football too.
FSG have supported their manager admirably in the transfer market, without the crazy inflated spending of King Kenny's reign. Getting shot of Comolli was brave but absolutely necessary. I believe they have come on a long way. They are there to sign the cheques and keep quiet and that is what they are doing.
The players have done well too. There has been the Suarez incidents, but apart from that they have shown a commitment to the manager and kept out of trouble. We are still a tiny bit short of quality. It's a shame we missed out on Mkhitaryan. He would have improved us.


If 2014 is as good as 2013, we will make the top 4. 2 recent defeats should not mean we take our eyes off the target. Top 4 is the aim for this season, anything else is a bonus.

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{Ed002's Note - Post of the day Ken. Actually you get post of the month for this one. The team and the staff have pulled together throughout 2013 and Rodgers has the team playing pretty much how he wants. A little tweaking each window as we move forward will likely become the norm. The club know that they need to make their Champions League target and will be absolutely clear that if sanctions on spending are imposed that they are in a very poor position. But there is continued improvement.}

29 Dec 2013 18:35:06
Brilliant. We would. I believe.and we will. make it to top 4. We play for the Liverbird on the chest.
common BR. Common Reds.

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Couldn't agree more. Rodgers has turned the likes of Henderson, Enrique and Flanagan from deadwood into first team/matchday squad regulars. He's not afraid to give the youth an opportunity and as he said himself, they'll run through a brick wall for you if they had to! Fair enough we had 2 bad results on the bounce, but on another day we could have won those games. He has shown he has an eye for talent, and can really get the best out of his players. To be honest, even if we don't finish top 4 this season, I think he should 100% be Liverpool manager next season. He is a great up and coming manager and things can only get better! He will grow as a manager while the players grow as a team. Lovely thing to think about! We have great potential, and Brendan knows the youth system inside out. I can't think of another manager that could possibly do better. We play great football, we have great talent coming through the academy all the time, and Rodgers is the man to take us forward, top 4 or not. The staff and players have done brilliantly this year, Anfield has become somewhat of a fortress again, and we have scored more goals than any other team in the Premier League this year, with 84 goals. 84 GOALS! We are improving all the time, and it is mostly down to Rodgers and his staff. Hopefully this continues on into 2014!
Cheers,
ROI.

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Spot on Ken short but sweet read.

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29 Dec 2013 18:08:53
Hi eds and reds

It's really hard to beat a good side. it's even harder with a poor ref. that's two games on the trot that's happened now. it's now a must we beat the likes of Citeh, Chelski, Arsenal and the likes at home

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29 Dec 2013 18:06:39
Good to see Howard Webb keeping up his form(and that of the last cretin to officiate a Liverpool game).

1) Should have sent Eto'o off. That challenge on Henderson was a shocker, knee high, caught the player and no intention of playing the ball.
2) Penalty claim number 1, Terry barged Suarez to the ground all day long a penalty.
3) Penalty claim number 2, Eto'o kicking Suarez off of the ball again all day long it's a penalty.
4) Oscar's foul on Lucas was a red all, wild lunge no control and a potential injury making foul.

Yes, Mignolet was at fault for the second goal but if Webb is doing his job properly then Eto'o isn't on the pitch to score that goal.

Also must comment on the diving of the Chelsea players in particular Hazard and Oscar, how dare Mourinho make comments about opposition players diving when his players make the royal Shakespeare Society look like amateurs.

Hopefully we'll do some business and improve our squad to challenge for the rest of the season, we knew that city and chavs away were likely to be draws at best and that's our toughest games over with now. City, Chelsea, Arsenal
and Man U all have euro games from February onwards.

Personally I'm not fussed about a cup run as bad as that sounds, so an early FA cup exit won't be an issue for me if it meant we were able to concentrate on the big prize.

PS Torres, you sir are a retromingent gilfnard of the highest order, look forward to giving you dogs abuse at Anfield.

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29 Dec 2013 18:16:24
1) Most refs would've booked Eto'o. Like it or not, that early, you'd have to be far more blatantly over the top to get sent off. That said, Webb successfully managed to do nothing other than give the freekick. Poor decision.
2) He may not have seen it, and we can hardly complain about bad luck on argy-bargy in the box of late. I'd wouldn't go crucifying him over that one, although the decision was incorrect.
3) Given that he was within 10 yards and looking right at it, this is an absolute shocker and he should be demoted for this alone.
4) Oscar's challenge was poor, but not red card territory. He got that one right.

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{Ed002's Note - Referees being demoted comes in to the same category as "buy out" clauses and unicorns.}

29 Dec 2013 18:30:28
It's 25 years since Hillsborough so I am really fussed about a Cup run. This is one season that a real effort MUST be made!
DM2013

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Talk about bias dribble.

Hazards penalty didn't get a mention? Nor the fact, the bloke you all praise as the messiah, you know the one who can't get a look in for Brazil, grappled oscars face.

2-1 is a fair reflection of a game where you hardly bothered us. Henderson cries like a girl cause he can't get the ball even though he covers 8 times more of the pitch than any other player.

Looks like your other messiah Coutinho is back to his Inter best.

What goes up, must come down, and I have a feeling you boys will be hitting mid table with a thump.

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1) You never see a red that early in the game.

2) If that's a penalty then skrtel should give away 3 per game.

3) Yes it's a penalty but i'm afraid suarezs reputation has stopped you getting a penalty, and he deserves that.

4) 94 minute in the game, woudnt have changed the result. Pathetic excuse for diving.

Considering what happened last year, I don't know what your complaining about

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29 Dec 2013 18:41:53
ED02. how is cheslea posting here?.are they worried or botherd??

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{Ed002's Note - Not quite a sentence Harry - I have no idea what you mean.}

"You never see a red that early in a game"

I would contend differently, a certain Mr Vincent Jones may still hold that record, unless I am wrong.

Just poor refereeing from a well known Man U supporting ref, soft free kicks to Chelsea for diving, nothing when there is serious foul play or an actual penalty.

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Melbourne
Hazzards penalty did get a mention. By 3 pundits in the studio, one an ex Chelsea player and they all claimed no penalty. They also said Suarez was a penalty. All unbiased opinions. Oscars tackle was awful to put it mildly.

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Hey Melbourne, it wouldn't be Xmas without The Great Escape being on telly.
And Eto has just obliged me.
How he never got two yellows and a penalty given against him, beats me.
He'll be taking a motorbike to get back home, and jump the hedge of his garden.

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I'm sure many more mentioned it too Irish, however Mark, did not. Just pointing out the red specs of some fans. I, for one, saw it as fairly blatant, a tackle from the side/behind that got no ball, and whether or not hazard walked into him, I've seen far less given.

Terry on Suarez wasn't a penalty, especially if Hazards wasn't, although I can happily say Suarez's with Eto was definitely a penalty, only wasn't given. Thankfully. And maybe evens us out from last years debacle, no?

Happy NY pool fans, feel free to pop over to the Chelsea page anytime. When you leave though, carry Basics back with you, please.

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{Ed001's Note - it was not a pen, it was a dive and you are blind and blatantly biased if you believe it was a pen. Or you have never played the game, because it was clear that Hazard threw himself at the outstretched leg to initiate contact. The only thing blatant was the dive, which should have been a booking.

I agree on Terry on Suarez, to a degree, it was a pen, but they are never given, which is lucky for us as Skrtel does the same thing repeatedly in matches.

I do wonder how you can connect the Suarez and the Hazard incidents together, when they are completely different. Seems like a bit of straw clutching going on there.}

29 Dec 2013 19:21:51
"3) Yes it's a penalty but i'm afraid suarezs reputation has stopped you getting a penalty, and he deserves that."

Nonsense Jordan.

I could understand Suarez' rep playing a part if Webb's sight had been partly blocked, or if he was 40 yards behind the play. But he was looking right at the incident from about 10 yards, and Azpilcueta was not blocking his line of sight to it. Suarez's rep is irrelevant. Webb saw a clear foul and for some reason didn't give a pen for it.

It's an inexcusable blunder regardless of who has been fouled.

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29 Dec 2013 19:26:47
ED01, Is it possible to Ban other posters in our Site?. I don't understand what's chelsea fans are doing here?. they actually won a HOME GAME BY 5-0 MARGIN?.
mohammed salah. daniel sturridge. steven gerrard. enrique. suarez. ivan ractic (possible). all would be waiting with open arms at anfeild when you travel there.
we would not scrap through. we would beat you handsome.

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 cannot answer this because he is rolling about the floor laughing. I give you an easy time with the banter (which since Blair Mayne was locked up Liverpool are bottom of the pile at dealing with). If it makes you feel better, Manchester United are next worse. We won't be banning anyone for simple banter and I am astonished the bottom lip is quivering so easily Harry.}

Plenty of straw clutching ed001, but for me, Lucas stuck his leg in, didn't get near the ball, and was stupid in doing what he did. Yeh, Hazard was looking for contact, but Lucas obliged him, and I've seen worse penalty calls over the years.

Completely different, yes, but both are similar in that they have been given in the past, and both players are looking for contact. Terry only barged into Suarez because Suarez was backing into him, looking for contact so he could hit the deck. My main point was simply, Marks review of the game was utterly bias and not a true reflection of how things went. It wasn't all one way bad decisions.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less now mate. Games over and we have the points which is what we were after.

On a lighter note, hope you enjoyed your Xmas with your daughter, and hope you're in good health. Would love to get your thoughts on the leg break yesterday, but that's a post for a different page.

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29 Dec 2013 19:40:30
all I can say about eto`o tackle on henderson that a players career can be ended in the first r the 90th min so if webb could forget about his obvious bias against Liverpool for a min and take appropriate action at least a yellow card for that and and a yellow and pen for his jealous assault on a better player as glenn hoddle put it on sky, even gary neville said it was a stone wall pen, although jose says suarez went down easy and he dosent like players that do this.carra put the record straight and reminded us all of the drogba robbens the porto team against celtic 2003 were a disgrace to football he had no problem with them.

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Plenty of straw clutching ed001, but for me, Lucas stuck his leg in, didn't get near the ball, and was stupid in doing what he did. Yeh, Hazard was looking for contact, but Lucas obliged him, and I've seen worse penalty calls over the years.

Completely different, yes, but both are similar in that they have been given in the past, and both players are looking for contact. Terry only barged into Suarez because Suarez was backing into him, looking for contact so he could hit the deck. My main point was simply, Marks review of the game was utterly bias and not a true reflection of how things went. It wasn't all one way bad decisions.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less now mate. Games over and we have the points which is what we were after.

On a lighter note, hope you enjoyed your Xmas with your daughter, and hope you're in good health. Would love to get your thoughts on the leg break yesterday, but that's a post for a different page.

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Sorry Melbourne but I have to disagree mate. The Hazard incident was never a pen. So many people called for Ashley Young's head last year when he threw his leg into Clark last year against Villa. This was no different. I agree to an extent on the first penalty claim for Suarez. Although I think it was a penalty as Terry was all over him, they're just not given. The second claim for a penalty I think we both agree was silly on Etoo's behalf and it should have been a pen. Eto'o most definitely should have been off. I mean the ball never left the ground and he catches his knee. It was reckless and could have caused Henderson serious damage. The whole Lucas-Oscar thing was just silly from both players. Oscar could have been sent off for the challenge and Lucas could have been sent off for the reaction. Yellow card was a fair result. Overall I think we deserved something from the game, although I do think Chelsea were the better team. Time to forget about it now, though I do think the FA need to look into frequent bad decisions by referees in all games not just Liverpool games.
Cheers,
ROI.

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Eto'o shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the goal. Howard Webb is a. well you can fill in the blanks.

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I could replace Eto with Suarez, and go back to the last time we played you at the bridge in the prem. But it's far easier to move on.

Refs don't win matches, players do. If you can't beat a team, being 1-0 up after 3 minutes, you don't deserve to win games. It's simple. You can whinge about decisions til you're red in the face, or in the eyes in your case Mark, but truth be told you can't rely on refs to get decisions right 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some, unless of course you still score more goals than the opposition, even when you don't get the decisions.

We outplayed you for large parts of the game, and evidently put the ball in the back of the net more times then you. It's a simple game really

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29 Dec 2013 17:48:13
We look knackered

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29 Dec 2013 17:29:14
A tale of two benches! Come on smith.

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Wasn't the right game to bring him on and out of position at that. Ibe should have been there. and why Teixeira isn't on the bench? he is by far the superior midfielder in the u21, the next is Pelosi.

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29 Dec 2013 17:13:32
Mignolet`s mistakes might prove to be very costly at the end of the season. I know he`s had some fine matches and saves but he`s not having a good run lately.

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29 Dec 2013 18:19:12
I wouldn't really blame Mignolet for the 2nd goal.

His options are dive or fall on his arse and try to kick it away with his right leg. And I hate keepers who habitually do the latter, because for every goal they stop (and I don't think he'd have reached Eto'o's shot anyway) by doing that, they concede two that they would've saved by diving.

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Hm? he did what he could do, and I didn't think that many GK can save that one

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29 Dec 2013 17:10:24
im sorry to be the bearer of bad news but. Liverpools problem is their defence. you just can't defend. as a team. or you have the wrong players at the back.

until that changes I can't see Liverpool doing much. its a shame really because chelsea can't score goals yet they have had a couple against your team. so i'm not hating here just facts.

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Be more concerned about you're own team mate, you can't defend or create.

You're manager wasted 27M on a donkey, and you're getting smacked at home by almost every team you face.

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He's 100% right. Glen Johnson must know something we don't. Skyrtel is not good enough. At least we are back to underdogs. Coutinho needs a good kick up the arse as well. Best team won today

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Don't worry lobster
We only concede 1 more goal than you
At least we scores goals
Now go back and play with Spongebob and Patrick

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We need Abate at RB he is out of contract in the summer and Milan aren't doing so well. We also need to replace Skrtel, his best quality is his recovery tackles but seems to be coming off second best at everything else plus when in possession of the ball he waits far too long to release and 90% gets put under unnecessary pressure.

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29 Dec 2013 17:08:40
First Half Assessment
Well to be quite honest we've been poor. Chelsea pressing us hard in midfield, and for some reason the players that were so good up front against City look lightweight in this game. Eto'o to be honest shouldn't be on the pitch for that second goal. His tackle on Henderson was horrendous. Yes he pulled out of it slightly but his foot should never be that high in the first place, and the ball wasn't even off the ground! McManaman was being hounded for his challenge last season on Haidara, and people were asking for a 7 game ban. The rules have changed in relation to suspensions because of that incident. Whether its the first minute or the last minute, its a red card. I don't blame Mignolet for the second goal. From a certain angle you see he gets enough on it to turn it around the post and the spin just brings it into the back of the net. Unlucky for him in an otherwise stellar first half performance by him. Yes so things need to improve in the second half if we are to get back into this game.
Cheers,
ROI.

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29 Dec 2013 17:04:12
David Luiz has successfully negated both Henderson and Coutinho.

Allen looks tired.

Suarez isolated from the rest of the team.

A switch to 3 - 5 - 2 is needed, with Aspas pairing up front with Suarez. Johnson off and 3 centre backs to remain.

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Johnson just has to go, too inconsistent.

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{Ed001's Note - I disagree, he is very consistently poor.}

Johnson just doesn't look bothered at all. what's happened to him?
kept stalling and getting dispossessed

we need a LB and a RB, oh and a striker, and an attacking midfielder, and maybe a physical defensive midfielder. that should do it. but maybe a right winger would be good aswell. and erm a left winger.

only joking chaps. (slightly) . whilst I agree with the players we offloaded and the ones we kept, it seems we didn't do enough to attract in reinforcements.

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29 Dec 2013 17:03:26
Looking ominous again today with more desperate keystone kop defending - dangerous lunges and rash challenges and hanging out legs to clear the ball, lack of men (real men in the team) Suarez isolated and glen Johnson "oh my god" he is finished what an awful player he has become! Always out of position poor offensively, wasteful in possession and pedestrian on the ball! I am hoping for a draw now after another positive start but once again we are so vulnerable once we have scored that it is almost like we want to help the opposition get back into the game! So much promise and pace in attack but we rarely have the ball in the Chelsea half to make anything from it! Two more soft goals given away and I felt Mignolet should have done better again for the Chelsea goal against Eto' like the Negredo shot he seems to be trying to make Hollywood saves and push the ball over or wide but on both occasion he was not strong enough - Come on LFC don't make it look like we had a nosebleed again because we were top at xmas- this happened the last time we were competing for the league under benitez a few years back! I will keep the faith but if we lose again today that is bound to affect the teams confidence! Finally we still need to buy some proven strong players that will lead on the pitch and give some calm - Snyder, Alonso anyone that will help us push for the top four even as a loan deal! YNWA

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29 Dec 2013 17:02:29
The quietest game Suarez has had so far. The Chelsea back 4 are doing well to keep him quiet. Maybe he should drop deep and play Sterling thru the middle. Or take of Allen and play Aspas up front.

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29 Dec 2013 16:57:35
Glen Johnson looks like the a player who does not want to be playing for us. Would rather play Kolo there at least he displays some passion and wants to get stuck in. I have lost count of the number of times GJ has given the ball away in that first half.

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29 Dec 2013 16:57:20
we flatter to deceive, Johnson is garbage for the umpteenth game, skrtel got a goal yes but a massive liability defensively and at fault fro second goal again, Agger is way off the pace and shouldn't be playing, Allen is so lightweight and contributes nothing its a joke.
When o when is BR going to address the same problems that have been so evident from day one.
He needs to man up and rid the club of the very average at best players we have.
I saw an ed say Johnson is supposedly good in training, shame he doesn't play the games like that then.
Hopefully this will be printed as i'm sure most agree, I've been saying it for a long long time, I see it you see it why don't the powers that be see it?
Scouse red

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29 Dec 2013 16:55:37
Coward Webb should of booked/sent off Etoo for the tackle on Henderson, but we are making chelski look good, fat frank, terry, luiz. Point made about Suarez, his goals have been against lower reams, not the top ones. He badly needs support, we don't have the bench strength. WTF is this swapping rubbishs at half time.

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29 Dec 2013 16:51:52
Hi Eds and Reds

Typical. another team having a wonder game against us

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29 Dec 2013 16:43:03
Every single aspect about glen Johnson's is woeful. You all go on about needed a winger and cm! No way. Rb is a must in January. Main priority. Fact

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29 Dec 2013 16:41:49
What's that. Skrtel caught out of position. AGAIN

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Must have been nobody around to hang onto .!

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29 Dec 2013 16:38:07
Got a bad feeling about this game.

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Sinking feeling?

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29 Dec 2013 16:37:42
Eds fellow reds, think the wheels have come off absolute rubbish. Defence and midfield aren't even at Stamford bridge .

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29 Dec 2013 16:36:34
so not happy with this defensive line up
what was he thinking?

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29 Dec 2013 16:36:30
Watching the Chelsea game and we're defending way too deep! It's creating far too much space in midfield.

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29 Dec 2013 16:06:35
Hello eds and reds, long time reader, first time reader. First of all thanks to eds for all the hard work and secondly does anyone have a link for a stream for the game?

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29 Dec 2013 15:46:17
so a draw and ozone goes streaking naked through merseyside.

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Doesn't look like its happening and worst of all there goes top four

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29 Dec 2013 15:28:15
Not many results if any at all have gone our way this festive season! We need to wallop the chavski more than ever now!

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29 Dec 2013 15:26:26
Bet ozone was touching cloth when ramirez qualised for southampton.
We'll have to wait til after the chelsea game to see if he'll have to do his streak or not.

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29 Dec 2013 15:18:18
Why has BR put a cb at left back when Cissoko (spelling) is on bench. He had a ok game at City after first 10 mins.

we will get over run at left back now and have nil attacking down left hand side.

I don't understand why he has done that.

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What attacking threat did cissokho give us. None. He is average at best.

Have faith in Brendan.

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There is always someone who is left disappointed

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What is we are playing 3 - 2 - 3 - 2 with Allen playing a little deeper on the left side to cover that wing.

Rodgers outthought Pellegerini by using Suarez to pull defenders out of position so that Coutinho and Sterling could run through. He will have figured it out.

In Rodgers We Trust

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You lot are clueless. We are getting run raggid today, both goals coming from left hand side.

Im a massive BR fan but he messed up putting agger at lb.

But to be fair, we are poor all over the pitch!

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29 Dec 2013 15:16:20
Good to see Jordan Rossiter on the bench, Ed001, is the thinking that he will make it? I've heard he's highly rated. Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, he is seen as the brightest light in the academy.}

29 Dec 2013 15:14:25
wow. rodgers has decided to cut his own throat with playing a centre back in a full back position again.

how long has he been manager again?

anyway good luck to your reds. but as I said. december will see you slip down the table. and I think today is another step too far

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Bit like Valencia right back or Rooney centre mid, not to mention Phil jones

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29 Dec 2013 15:13:49
Very interesting choice to
Play 3 cbs against Southampton that didn't work very well. What do you make off it ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - I wonder if he is going with that or just playing a more defensive left back to try and nullify Chelsea's threat. Sakho is perfectly capable of playing left back, he has done it for club and country in the past. He might not add much attacking threat, but against Chelsea, maybe it is more important to stop them first and foremost.}

29 Dec 2013 15:08:16
All them centre backs, I would have started cissokho again myself.

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29 Dec 2013 15:07:50
So how does everyone think that line up will work? Centre back for left back, will agger or sakho go out wide, or skrtel right and Johnson left or does it mean a return to five at the back with either Henderson or sterling playing wing back

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29 Dec 2013 15:05:43
Song for today ( when we go 2 up)

We've had more rest than you
We've had more rest than you

We've had more rest than you
We've had more rest than you

Great comeback on Jose's comments and to his own song.

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29 Dec 2013 15:03:33
Hi Ed001,

For me, we will be much better if we have great full backs such as Coleman and Baines. How do you rate them? How they compare with our full backs (Enrique and Johnson)?

If we can get great LB and RB for our team, we'll be a great force. Our attack and defence will be awesome.

Would love your opinion Ed001. Thanks in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair, Coleman and Baines are better than Johnson and Enrique, especially going forward. Coleman has made such huge strides forward in his game recently, he looks even better now he is being allowed to play football away from Moyes' constraints. They are probably the best full back pair in the Prem, unfortunately! Though I have to say I think Everton have a left back just as good, though a quite different type of player, in Oviedo. Everton's are much better at maintaining the width than Johnson, who wanders inside far too often, closing down the space available to the team. Enrique is much better at holding width, but he is poor at crossing, which lessens his effectiveness massively. It means the opposition can just worry about stopping him from cutting inside and allow him to cross, knowing that any cross will be a waste.}

29 Dec 2013 14:02:25
Hi eds, is there any chance of us getting Cabaye in January? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

29 Dec 2013 13:39:31
I was wondering if any of the eds (or posters) could tell me about the progress of one of the academy players, Daniel Cleary, he's a friend of a friend so I said I'd try find out, if anybody knows anything about how he's getting on that would be much appreciated

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29 Dec 2013 13:18:58
Anyone read the interview on sakho? It was a brilliant read seems like he's a had a really tough life and has a lot of respect for Liverpool. Recommend reading it

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29 Dec 2013 10:59:17
Hi Ed001 (if you're about),

Do you know if Borini has a future at LFC after his loan expires? Is he in a similar situation to Suso?

Take care

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{Ed001's Note - yes, he is just getting the chance of first team football away from the boo boys, who had already decided he wasn't good enough. He still potentially has a future with us though, it is up to him to impress while on loan.}

I for one hope the lad stays while he may not score at the same rate Suarez does not many in the world can. If he can chip in with 10 goals a season I see no reason why he's not good enough. While he was on the pitch yesterday he was a step above most of his team mates, so good luck to him and i'm sure all reds wish him a speedy recovery. I know for a fact living up here there are plenty of Geordies that know all too well his ability to score goals. You never know Kuyt wasn't prolific but very few Liverpool fans have a bad word to say about him.

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Borini has a potential future, although the concern would be how many games he could get. and would it be enough for him, so far he just seems too eager to impress when he did get an opportunity. He seems far more relaxed when playing for Italy. In all honesty if we qualify for CL I would expect another forward, with possibly only 1 up in some games. that would mean competing for a place in the wide areas, is he what is required? Maybe.

As for Kuyt, he scored important goals as well as a reasonable goals/games for a wide player, plus he was our workhorse (sorry Dirk) which allowed Rafa to have the balance he wanted.

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29 Dec 2013 10:09:43
Hi eds
You say about skirted always bein out of position and lucky not to concede penalties etc.
Do you think Rogers and the rest of the staff have noticed it & are working on it?
Because he's keeping his place and his ways

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{Ed001's Note - I am sure Rodgers does see it, but he feels the good outweighs the bad and will just continue to work with him to improve the weaknesses in his game.}

I'm quite surprised he doesn't play kolo next to sakho kolo would cure our set pieces curse in my opinion and is as good as skirtle

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29 Dec 2013 11:43:53
I think this is Liverpool's biggest test of the season, Arsenal were unplayable at the time, City are the best team in the country, but Chelsea will test Liverpool's character, they bullied Arsenal off the pitch and the ref let them do it. Coutinho and Sterling are going to need eyes in the back of their head with player like Ivanovic and Mikel sent out to get them, this is Mourinho football the fans at Real hated it and in time so did their press but for some reason he is hailed as a tactical genius over here.

Now enough of the moaning, the team is playing fantastic so well in fact it might prove an interesting headache to get Gerrard and Sturridge back in the team. If the story is true about Salah being a possible signing then I think he would prove to be a significant upgrade on young Sterling, then if in the summer two full backs can be brought in the future will look very bright.

Finally, if Skrtel insists on cuddling men can he please do it in his own time and not during set pieces!

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29 Dec 2013 10:42:17
Chelsea game:
I think Chelsea will cause us most problems from set pieces today than in actual play. We have looked suspect trying to defend set pieces all season. I have a horrible feeling Terry or Ivanovic might have a field day today.
On a positive note, I am elated with our current form. Especially the midfield trio who have been immense, and the front 3 where Sterling has been in top form. My only concern at the minute comes at left back. Cissokho is a very poor player. We miss Enrique or Flanagan. If I were boss I'd play Johnson at left back and put Kelly at right back today.

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29 Dec 2013 11:38:53
Kelly is not good enough as RB, he has struggled and isn't getting a chance ahead of Johnson.
But I agree, Cissokho is a very poor player.

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Cissoko had a pretty good game against City IMO. Certainly worth another game to see how he gets on.

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Complete rubbish Harry. Before Kelly's injury he was brilliant at right back, good enough to get an England call up. He obviously has some fitness issues still but not ability. Have you only started watching Liverpool?

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{Ed002's Note - It is no more than the standard spewing of hate toward all Liverpool players. And all it does is piss off all of the posters.}

Harry before his injury Kelly was quality and he will obviously take a while to get over something so serious. You need to start saying the good about players (except your one true love suarez) instead of the bad. You keep getting banned for constantly slating our players yet do the same thing over and over?!

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I have to agree with Irish Rover, lay off the kid. He was excellent prior to injury and has only recently recovered. At least he provides some height and can defend. which unfortunately Cissokho seems to have forgotten how to do.

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29 Dec 2013 13:30:06
I'm a massive Martin Kelly fan. I also imagine the club are, given they have him a new contract whilst he was injured!

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But ed002, are we destined to endure this spewing of hate towards our players on this site all the time, or is it about time the eds do something about it?

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{Ed002's Note - We do make an effort to minimise it.}

I try not to jump on bandwagons but Kelly was superb before his injury, out of sight out of mind for some people

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Think Its time to make the punishments harsher, as people are consistantly offending now.

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29 Dec 2013 10:29:09
Quick point about Skrtel,,,, firstly I think he's been really good this season, but his downfall is what it's always been, he's weaker than an 11 year old girl. Why aren't they bulking him up in the gym? Every red on this site, in Anfield, around the f*****g world knows how weak he is defending crosses ect and gets bullied by strikers so why aren't they strengthening him up?! 3 seasons now and he's still loosing out on every corner! He could be great for Liverpool,, he's comfortable on the ball and everything BR could want in a CB, even Sterling looks stronger this season it doesn't take much a bit of work over the summer but I swear skirts is getting thinner!

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29 Dec 2013 10:16:58
Would love to see Brendon really go for Luke Shaw in the summer, won't be cheap 20-25 mill and chelski are sniffing about, but if we make CL why not? This kid is going to be a top player, still really young, wicked left foot, could sort out LB for the next 10 years. Would welcome any thoughts.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea were quoted a price much higher than that.}

Out of interest ed, as a Southampton local, what was the price they were quoted?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant, talking specifics about money does nothing but confuse the posters.}

If its a lot more than £25 million then its irrelevant. Southampton don't want to sell. Simple.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no question that Southampton want to keep him and they are aware of strong interest from a couple of clubs - particularly Chelsea.}

I wouldn't rule out both Manchester clubs. no chance.

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29 Dec 2013 08:34:31
What would LFC fans think of making an offer for Ravel Morrison?
West Ham are reported to be open to allow the former Manchester United player leave in the transfer window as they would be forced to up his pay to £60 000 (Currently on £15 000) a week if they receive an offer of £10mill.
They are in need of cash to be able to bolster there squad for the second half of the season.
A proven player in the EPL, one of only a few who have shone in there side this season, was quoted by old whiskey nose as "A brilliant footballer, Brilliant ability, Top class ability, Needs to get away from Manchester and start a new life" when sold to West Ham.
Would he be good enough for LFC? Could Rodgers and the staff take him to the next level? Would supporters take to him because of his links to the old enemy?
Worth a risk? What's your thoughts?
It's looking more likely Alonso will sign a new contract at RM so that door is going to be closed. Could he do a job for us here at LFC?
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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Ermm, not one of your better ideas if i'm honest. He has hardly pulled up trees since he went to West Ham. Not to mention his "baggage" that makes Suarez look like a pussy cat. He would be better finding a new team in Some far away country.

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Yes he has "baggage" Some of his antics in the past have been nothing short of woeful.
But he was (and still is) young. If someone like Jack Wilshire (only an example and I know he has been in no where near as much trouble as Morrion) became available would we just stay clear?
BR has proved he can deal with players who have "issues". I was just putting out there because the guy is young and has the ability, if given the right opportunity, to improve.
As Maureen says "everyone makes mistakes".
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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Even putting aside his baggage. Morrison hasn't done a great deal at West Ham. It would make you wonder why they would sell or why isn't Morrison playing week in week out for such a poor team. Where asWilshire has played for a top 4 team and plenty of Cl experience. Chalk and cheese if you ask me.

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To be fair he has played most games and from what I have seen has an abundance of talent, not that Fat Sam could make use of that. My concern would be that we are creating a close team spirit, would he disrupt that? He is a game changer and his running past the forwards is exceptional. (when Fat Sam plays with 1. )

FYI, he is "potentially" available due to a clause in his contract regarding a substantial wage increase if a bid comes in for him of circa £10m.

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{Ed002's Note - Again the concept of "clauses" are confusing people. It is simply not like that.}

Maybe i'm a bit harsh on him (after looking at his stats). Still a nut case tho. :-)

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Going to have to disagree with Irish rover, how closely have you watched him? My gf is a west ham season ticket holder so I have seen quite a bit of him and the lad has bags of quality and potential for his age. His attitude has definitely let him down thus far but it has markedly improved and with the right management could be immense. The fact he doesn't play week in week out isn't a reflection on his ability, he is 19 and needs nurturing. I don't think he would be a necessary buy as we have suso to come back. Just saying don't write him off on limited knowledge

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29 Dec 2013 06:03:33
Little late to post but here are my two bits. Although the ManC game looked quite close, it could have been easily 1-4, had we had more luck with the offside, Sterling's 6 yard miss, Coutinho/Hendo's miss and Negredo's luck with a mediocre strike. On the negative side, I think we gave them too much respect in the first half, even after going a goal up. Secondly, I get chills when opposition gets a corner, I don't understand how Skertel is getting away with the blatant shirt pulling. Is BR not watching this and tellin him to quit it? I can bet my lifesavings that the Moaner will have a word with the ref before the game and tell him to keep an eye out for Skertel.

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29 Dec 2013 02:32:41
Saw the squad for the chelsea game on my train back to london today. All looked very focussed. Managed to get on the wrong train at crewe by mistake and went to what I thought was my carriage (got a cheap 1st class booked in advance) and was stunned when I entered and I look up to see Kolo Toure looking at me in bemusement! Got ushered out the carriage pretty quick LOL! Got my photo with raheem when we got off the train, what a lovely young lad - I wished him good luck (so no need for the pants tomorrow Ken!). Also froze when Cissokho, Rossiter, Skrtel, Sakho, Aspas, Tiago, Hendo all walked past me when we got off. Jesus, Sakho is MASSIVE. Would've killed to have got my photo with Luis, but he slipped out and onto the coach pretty quick. Didn't see Brendan with them, doing some transfer business perhaps.?
Anyway, just thought I'd share the slightly funny story of me thinking I was going to get to sit with the lads for my journey. If only i'd had my lfc tracksuit on.
Good Luck tomorrow lads. YNWA.

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29 Dec 2013 00:40:12
Glad to hear everything is ok with borini. Ynwa

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Poyet said it is a virus and he will be fine and I'm glad he is going to fine also.

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Yeah it is. Honestly was a bit concerned when I heard
the commentator report that "he collapsed at half-time and neded to be rushed to the hospital". Hope he heals up quickly from it. YNWA

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29 Dec 2013 00:39:04
Having read the posts tonight the consensus seems to be that Glen Johnson is a liability at right back and should be replaced, I completely agree. Combine this situation with the increasing unpredictability of Skrtel at right sided center-back and we have a big problem.In the Spurs game Chadli caused us a few problems in that corner, a fact that will not have gone unnoticed by Mourinho so god only knows what Hazard will do.It's the weakest area of an otherwise strong Liverpool team and an area BR would do well to take a look at!Suggestions?

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For me, Skrtel is a very good defender and has been excellent all season. He throws himself in front of danger and has saved us from conceding on many occasions, but he does need to be less hands on when defending set pieces.

Red Rum

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29 Dec 2013 10:03:41
Withour Ramirez they look pretty weak in the Middle. Luiz won't start, means Lampard and Mikel would start. We would easily win in the midfield.
Take out Hazzard. and we win the match.

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Skrtel does that because he's usually out of position and not tight enough.

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Yes Harry, because it is just THAT easy. It doesn't matter what eleven go to the pitch, Chelsea away is going to be a tough match.

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Ramires is IMHO there most important player, virtually everything they do goes through him. It does help us a great deal that they have an immobile centre midfield. We just have to make sure we defend set pieces properly.

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28 Dec 2013 23:57:30
Am I the only one that thought Liverpool looked tired in the last 15 minutes v citeh I know we put a lot of effort in to it but I'm just slightly worried we may become tired if we pressure a lot and don't go ahead early on. So I really think we need an early goal and be leading by at least one at half time if we are to win the match!

Not meant to be a negative post by any means just to confirm!

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29 Dec 2013 11:02:05
It was a really tough game. If they were tired 75 minutes in, away from home and chasing the game, I can see that!

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