Liverpool Banter Archive January 29 2017

 

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29 Jan 2017 21:35:48
Things got a bit silly on the live chat yesterday and for my part I apologise to the other fans that use this site, I was only giving my opinion to be fair but it gets a bit over dramatic on there when things are going wrong.
Right, where to start, these are only my own opinions so agree or not its all cool.
I for one would sort the nonsense out with Sakho and get him back in alongside Matip, everyone deserves a chance and I personally think he's a loss, many don't agree and that's fine but I think we are cutting our nose off to spite our very out of form face.
Lallana needs to be in central midfield with freedom, freedom for tracking and attacking, he can't be effective on the wing in the same way and that's that.
We need another winger and one with some guile so Couthino can play in the middle too, he too is wasted out wide.
The youngsters aside from Trent do not look ready, not in my book.
Firmino is a much bigger threat up front but boy does he disappear when the chips are down but Im sure its down to a lack of real service and I do rate the lad.
We need to stop playing crab football, its like watching the last few weeks of Rodgers just lately and for me Can and Henderson is a massive no no, we are having far too many touches and allowing teams to get back, at that we also missed Mane for his pace.
Im firmly in the camp of if we are not making any window signings then play Moreno on the wing and see if the boy can do a job, he's rapid at least and poor tackler or not has the pace to track back, I also think Ojo might need a better look in as at least he tries to beat a man, something we've forgotten how to do.
For the first time in ages im not worried about keeper troubles.
There that's where Im at with it all, I think Klopps the right man but he needs some changes and as much as I moan constantly that I want us challenging, Rome wasnt built in the proverbial day.
Bring on Chelsea and let's see what gives.
YNWA

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29 Jan 2017 23:21:15
Nice one RichieT 🙂.
Glad I missed the chat yesterday, sounds like it was a bit wild.
I don't agree about Sakho, I don't think Kloppo made the call lightly. He loved "Mama" last season, but the events from April to July must have built up. For the same reason, I wouldn't have Ballotelli back, he doesn't take his profession seriously enough to be a winner.
Mane coming back will help with Lallana and the crab football. He will also help Firmino.
Moreno should be sold for whatever we can get, the lad comes across as a saboteur. He tracked back yesterday for the second goal and then just went sliding on his back nowhere near the ball - complete liability. I would never pick him for LFC again.
Where am I with it all? I'm positive, 10 points is nothing with 16 games to go.
Where do we need to improve :
Defence - we need a composed leader to play centre back with Matip. We need to develop TAA and Juanma as fullbacks.
Midfield - still a big problem against bus-parkers. We need a midfielder who can take the ball forward and beat a man or two. Like a Gascoigne. We need to commit these buses, we need to disrupt them. The 3 ways to do it are pace on the wings, quick movement of the ball and dribbling at teams making them tackle you. I don't think Can has got the technical skill to do it and Wijnaldum hasn't shown enough in this respect.
Attack - I think Coutinho, Firmino and Mane are fine as first choice.
I'm saddened that Grujic is injured, I thought he could develop into the strong midfielder who can carry the ball forward and commit defenders.
As a crazy suggestion I'd like to see Ojo in there. I know he's played on the wing so far but I see him like Barnes when he played more centrally. Strong on the ball, moves like a panther, good dribbler and good vision and lethal shot.

There's much to play for, there's a lot more to come from Klopp and his squad and I'm very positive about it.


30 Jan 2017 06:28:58
It is a no brainer playing Lallana and Couthino through the middle, but even with Mane. back we still need a pacey attacker on the other wing, someone to stretch the opponents defense.
And i can't agree more about a composed dribbler (which i am sure Couthino and Lallana are once playing through the middle)

LB: Milner (for now) RB: Replace Clyne with someone who can cross and is not just a workhorse.
Defenders: Get a partnership that works and keep them fit
DM: We still need a DM, especially for the counter-attacks (where we are so exposed now.
Midfielders are okay with the lot we have (if Lallana and Couthino)
Attack is still need a pacey Left winger (maybe Ojo) to complete Mane, Firmino
Depending on the team we are up against we can play either Sturridge or Origi instead of Firmino upfront or better still as a substitutes.


30 Jan 2017 10:35:33
I loved Sakho and really do think he'd be a great partner for Matip, but if Klopp gave in now it would just undermine him and send out the wrong message to the rest of the players or any future signings. I would say from the sounds of it Mama has been given a second chance maybe even a third or fourth as he said he's paid his fines, the only person to blame is Sakho himself for not taking his job seriously enough and not noticing that he was putting his career at jeopardy by his repeated failure to act professionally.

Mane will undoubtedly improve things by giving us some much needed pace up front but let's not pin all our hopes on him, there is a chance he is going to be coming back distraught and maybe lacking a bit of confidence after what happened on Saturday.

Losing Mane hasn't helped but I don't think he is the reason for this alarming drop in performance level, I do think the chopping and changing has disrupted the flow of the team but I think the defence is the main problem. I personally think the reason for the crab football is everyone is petrified of trying something different and giving the ball away so choose the easy sideways or backwards option because they so scared that if we give the opposition the ball they will score. Apart from the Utd game we have virtually conceded from every chance the opposition have had against us in the last few games.


30 Jan 2017 16:29:17
Spot on Ron. The OP is not being fair on the Sahko situation. He is the architect of his own downfall so what should Klopp sort out exactly? Klopp didn`t freeze him out cos of his football ability as we know he can play. He did this cos the guy is very, undisciplined, cares only about himself and is severely unprofessional. After being given several chances to redeem himself, he was still being a problem in the DR.

For someone who got himself into the drug testing scandal, a PR nightmare for the club, you would think that he would keep his head down, work on his game and try to win Klopp`s trust back, right? No. What does he do? He keeps screwing up and had the nerve to film Klopp giving a presser in preseason. What in the world do you want Klopp to do? Give up his Team first ethos or give up his values for the sake of an an unrepentant player just cos we need a CB?


29 Jan 2017 19:12:33
5 new players I'd go for in the summer if I was klopp
Benzema
Carvalho
Pulsic
Van dijk
Inalki Williams
Alex Sandro
Joe hart


That would be a successfully window in my eyes, and sell the likes of, Sturridge, Sakho, Lucas, Moreno, can

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29 Jan 2017 19:38:30
Just for one, may I ask why Joe Hart? personally I think he's far from good enough for us.


29 Jan 2017 19:46:13
The 2 I would go for are
Titus Bramble
Emile Heskey
Lee Cattermole
Karl Henry
Joleon Lescott
Harry Kewell

That is 2 players, right?


29 Jan 2017 19:59:31
That's over 200 mil topoftheKOP I like Williams and carvalho but looks doubtful to me.


29 Jan 2017 19:59:47
About £ 200 million worth of talent in that selection Topofthekop. I take it you mean over 3 transfer windows and not all at once.


29 Jan 2017 20:16:57
Also around 60-70m on the players from sales, and I should of said 7 not 5 my mistake


29 Jan 2017 21:38:33
Sure there's 7 in that list not 5 😂


29 Jan 2017 22:02:37
The 10 new players I would go for is David Silva and Eden Hazard


29 Jan 2017 22:45:56
I would buy four new players - Lionel Messi


29 Jan 2017 23:15:15
To be fair messi is 4 players 😂


29 Jan 2017 23:26:42
I think only 5 of the names in the list are players 😄


30 Jan 2017 07:19:35
with being a hair dresser,60 -70m for who ever can guess that player is.


30 Jan 2017 08:51:27
Hilarious, i just love this site, but i digress, i agree with the op, sakho would have been a welcome addition during january. I agree you have to take your profession seriously ron, but who decides how serious you must be, is there some sort of seriousometer? Fact is he is a good footballer and has done the business when called upon. He has also publicly stated this weekend that he takes responsibility for his actions.

I understand what ed01 has said about him but i don't think his antics are a deal breaker especially when compared to the runt for example. I have sympathy for him but accept that it is over for him now and we must move on.


30 Jan 2017 16:16:09
Topofthekop, I highly doubt any of what you post will happen BUT one can only hope.


29 Jan 2017 15:54:23
Edo1 think its clear now we won't sign anyone in jan mistake in my book should of happened in the first week but we move on to summer now.

so my question is wat u think we need position wise and if u don't mind wat achievable players for the positions u think we need?

Think we need 5 cb lb cm winger striker and all need to be quality the reason I said not doing in jan is a mistake is because bedding to many players at once can be destructive klopp has had three windows only used one think that's is a mistake thanks

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{Ed001's Note - we don't need a lb, we need to be bedding in Juanma now. We do need a centre back, anything else is really secondary and that should be the sum total of our efforts until we have one. As for achievable, it is January, far too easy to pick who will be available in the summer.}

29 Jan 2017 17:36:25
Happy New Year Ed001 and ed002 thank you for all the hard work. How is Juanma doing and do you think he's been ready for first team next season?


{Ed002's Note - I suspect that he will still be with the U23s next season Bravesun and that Liverpool will look to bring a new left back in.}

29 Jan 2017 17:58:50
Has no one seen yarmelenko downing a vodka or two in city bars?


29 Jan 2017 18:05:25
The problem is we bought too many players who like to sit in behind the striker. Lallana and coutinho are wasted when they are stuck outwide.

Mike you are probably rite we do need all them players but we need to start adding real quality instead of paying over the odds for average players.

We have missed mane but imo we started playing poorly when lallana first went out injured.

Hopefully when European football starts up again and with us being out of all cups that will give us enough advantage to stay in the top 4. (Although god help us next year when we are playing twice a week) .

Priority has got to be a CB then a pacey winger. Sell sturridge and play firminho up top next season. I'd rather spend the budget on 2 quality players than 5 average.

On the can debate is rather he be given more time and if need be sell wijnaldum.


29 Jan 2017 18:25:15
Lavers that's my point klopp had 3 windows and not really any spend with out goings we need top quality in everyone of those positions I mentioned then sell studge can lucas klavan moreno and any other fringe first team players and then use youth aswell then love stewart still think he should be at the base with lallana and hendo either side plus u have gruic so I would prioritise cb then winger striker lb cm in that order cm no so much cheers


29 Jan 2017 18:35:37
I agree mike he did mess up in the summer transfer market.

Priority should have been a CB a alongside matip, klaven was never going to be good enough. Now we find ourselves with another player we can't get rid off or one who leaves for peanuts.


{Ed002's Note - It was Klopp's choice. Like Karius and Grujic were his choice.}

29 Jan 2017 19:12:54
That's what I mean ed, he's had the money and spent it wrongly again.


29 Jan 2017 19:18:10
Wat i've seen grujic preseason and sore od bit from were we got him from looks a good player but needs a run in the first team when he is free from injury karius I think could turn out to be a quality keeper klavan was a mistake i've liked gini but for the money its 50/ 50 matip been excellent mane the same so 3and half out of 5 is pretty good but in the orher transfer windows we could of done more to get the positions i've mentioned sorted and also the sale of players that are no longer needed or contributing enough to match there wages.
As for klopp he has made mistakes like the 2cups team selctions not using ojo/ wilson massive errors even to see wat the can do plus we have been dead in the warter with out width and speed.
But in general I think he suits liverpool to a t but hopefully he can learn from this let's face it he has only been here just over a year and most fans would of took top four this year but who nos beat chelsea and it makes it interesting but who nos cheers


29 Jan 2017 20:12:12
Klavan was bought to replace kolo. Sakho was supposed to be matips partner but unfortunately he burnt his bridges


29 Jan 2017 20:23:04
Thanks for the update ED01


29 Jan 2017 20:53:19
Id rather we kept kolo at least he had played most of his career in the prem and knew what it was about.


29 Jan 2017 22:49:29
Noone was suggesting at Christmas that Klopp messed up in the transfer market. In fact, all his purchases were being heralded with the exception of Karius.


{Ed002's Note - Herman's Hermits.}

30 Jan 2017 05:09:54
Completely lost me there, Ed002


{Ed002's Note - You are too young the AF.}

30 Jan 2017 08:48:50
No Milk Today?


{Ed002's Note - Right.}

30 Jan 2017 16:22:23
Spot on, Lavers. We have been paying over the odds for average players at best and adding them to the squad in high numbers over the years from previous regimes hence, Klopp found a bloated squad with majority average players hence, him trying to clean up a mess he did not create, globally. Now while all this was happening, our rivals spent their time adding good players to their squads cos well, they`ve had CL footie or EL footie all the time hence, their squads are better suited to handle the perils of the Jan footie schedule as CL and EL don`t start till Feb. This is the bigger problem.

He has trimmed down the squad a whole lot BUT the squad is at it`s bare bones at the moment. We need quality players to come into the first 11 and first team next season then, use the youngsters who are ready or thereabouts, to complete the 25 man squad. Thoughts?


30 Jan 2017 16:54:38
Klavan was bought for backup and was not expected to play week in and out as he`s doing now. Who knew that Matip`s injury would flair up again and keep him out that long or the Cameroon cockup would happen? It is really easy to do the whole hindsight genius thing but the coulda/ shoulda/ woulda nonsense in a bid to rewrite history or blame people, should stop. We make decisions based on info we have and what we can forecast and if mistakes are made, you learn from them and move on and plan better, period. The hindsight 20/ 20 thing and what could/ should have been done, is irrelevant cos it changes nothing.


30 Jan 2017 17:27:00
Klavan has not been a mistake. A squad player, with vast experience, for little money in today's market, who has done ok in most games but has had to play more than expected due to injury (Matip, Gomez) and foolishness (Sakho) .


29 Jan 2017 16:17:27
Obviously not the best of times at the moment but just wanted to say I've been impressed by the reaction of Karius in the last few games despite U. S. Losing.

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29 Jan 2017 16:23:24
He seems to be very good at getting off his line quickly and spreading himself to block. To the point where I was actually expecting him to keep Weimann out in the last match and was surprised he didn't.

I expect him back in the team for league matches soon on the basis that he's actually made saves in the past month whereas Migs hasn't. The only thing is he hasn't been really tested off crosses in the past few matches and we know that's his weak point.


29 Jan 2017 16:24:45
He was at fault for both goals yesterday though


29 Jan 2017 17:02:39
How was he at fault for the second goal, Randall and Moreno were caught out and Weimann got in one on one. No way the second goal was Karius's fault.


29 Jan 2017 18:02:51
He wasn't at fault for either, first one was bad defending and you can't blame him for the second, it would have taken a great save or a bad finish for that to have stayed out.
He's been quick off his line, made a couple of great saves from close range by spreading himself well and his disrubution has been good too. Fair play to the lad.


29 Jan 2017 19:39:58
Of course he was at fault for the first. it was headed in from 3 yards!


30 Jan 2017 16:26:08
Benny, Karius is proving you wrong on current form. Deal with it and stop posting falsehoods. Karius is the reason we were still within a shout of an EFL final due to his MOTM perfs in both legs BUT I know you prolly missed that too.

He was at fault for none of the goals. The first one saw two Wolves players including Stearman offside and was hung out to dry by our defence being all over the shop after losing the ball.


29 Jan 2017 15:07:13
As an aside from the misery of the last week, it was great to see Conner Coady yesterday. He has obviously come on leaps and bounds as a player and it was great to see one of our youth players really enjoying their football - good for the lad!

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29 Jan 2017 19:28:45
Agreed. Really hard working lad who deserves success. Unlike Sinclair who looked like a lazy, petulant child today against Milwall. Making it pro is 5% inspiration and 95% perspiration! Coady is a good lad.


29 Jan 2017 13:48:18
Never posted here before but I love reading the comments. Was a bit disheartened after the wolves game so i looked back at the previous seasons and although we are out of the cup the league form this season is way better. Same point last season we were sitting 9th and previous season 8th considering our injuries this season and with mane being away 4th isn't a bad position all things considered its a work in progress. As long as Kloop can get the league form back and we finish top 4 I'd say this season is a stepping stone to better things.

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29 Jan 2017 14:16:58
Yes irish love the positivity :) . Q


29 Jan 2017 12:59:55
It's very amusing watching the 'build them up, knock them down' behaviour from in particular the gutter press. Astonishing success to deepest despair. We have been missing Hendo, Mane and Lallana in recent matches and it shows. So we 'concentrate on the league' - isn't that how it goes? So let's see the real Liverpool back against chelski and get our push back on track.

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29 Jan 2017 13:41:14
That's the spirit!


29 Jan 2017 14:18:17
Yes nd allways stay positive never stop believing! :)


30 Jan 2017 16:32:53
Spot on, . They always need someone to build up and then tear down. They built up Pep as the revolutionary and for a long time, always hesitated to critique him cos well, they bring down who they want to. Same with Conte. After their losses to us and Arsenal, Conte was being hammered and put under pressure.

As for Klopp, they built him up and then now that he`s struggling, they tear him down and even when we turn it around, they`ll still not stop the veiled jibes at him. Mou has Utd in 6th literally the whole season BUT they still crowing about some unbeaten run that has no impact cos their stuck in neutral. Had that been Klopp stuck in neutral like that, we wouldn`t hear the last of it. The media will always do what they do so we move on.


29 Jan 2017 12:58:38
An awful lot of people are delighted that Mane is back, do they really believe that we are going to click straight into the form we were in before Christmas because he is back ? If we do we will we know that Lallana, Henderson, Clyne etc etc are spineless and don't have the backbone to win anything. I personly think we have deeper lying problems.
It is not all down to Mane not playing

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29 Jan 2017 13:15:40
Mane coming back:

Gives us more space in the centre
Adds pace to the attack
Gives us confidence
Makes the opposition less likely to throw men forward in case of the counter

It will take a while to hit peak form but there is no doubt his return will boost us and limit opponents.


29 Jan 2017 13:28:57
So Ron we are a one man team?


29 Jan 2017 13:44:41
No we are not a "one man team".
We are a team that functions better when our best players are available.
It's quite common in team sports


29 Jan 2017 15:43:09
So we shouldn't be delighted when one of our best players returns danray? Would that make you happier?


29 Jan 2017 16:14:10
What i am saying is it doesn't bode well if our team performing depends on one player. It is not good enough that other player's can't get results when Mane is not playing. Off course i want to see him back but depending on one player is a recipe for disaster.


29 Jan 2017 18:09:01
Dan ray, you've misunderstood Ron.

We have been missing Coutinho, Matip Lallana and Mane.

Whilst Mane has been missing, Lallana has been moved to the wing and we have lost the midfield shape, not helped by Can not having the best run.

Mane and Matip now returning means players can return to the positions they played in when we were in the midst of our run.

Personally, I wish we had kept our shape and had players that Klopp felt could slot on like for like - Ojo for Mane for example, or Wilson for Coutinho. I don't know why Ojo hasn't been played when he's been fit, other than Klopp does not feel he is ready yet.


30 Jan 2017 16:42:00
Danray, you are missing Ron`s point. Mane is a key cog in Klopp`s system hence, he paid whatever Saints asked for to get him and we now see why that is so. The key word here is "system". Klopp`s ethos is all about the whole team working together and that can only happen if all the parts are working at optimum capacity. Mane like Lallana, Hendo, Matip, Couts and Firmino, are key cogs and we have seen how them being missing can at diff times, can affect the output of the team. Any team losing half it`s key players will struggle, period. This doesn`t mean we are a one or two-man team.


30 Jan 2017 17:34:48
I think Danray has a point, though I wouldn't have expressed it like that. Mane isn't going to sort out our defensive problems is he?
I don't think we need to call players for being spineless tho'. The midfield has never functioned as well without Lallana


29 Jan 2017 11:41:28
The only sighting at Lennon Airport I care about would be Sadio Mane 😊

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29 Jan 2017 11:01:49
Instead of chucking names at the ed's I'll just ask, are we actually looking to make any buys in what remains of this transfer window?

First time poster, so go easy on me!

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{Ed002's Note - See numerous previous answers.}

29 Jan 2017 13:45:38
ed002 went easy on you 😁


29 Jan 2017 09:59:46
So is there a chance that Mane will play on tuesday?

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{Ed002's Note - I haven't decided yet, but I will check him out when he gets back and then likely put him on the bench - probably brining him on after 68 minutes.}

29 Jan 2017 10:34:34
Mahrez was on the bench for the foxes on Friday night but not sure when he returned from the African nations. Possible Mane could be be on the bench Tuesday but more than likely he will be back for the Hull game


29 Jan 2017 10:38:06
Aw go on ed, give him a run out, please 🙏


29 Jan 2017 11:42:40
Have u decided if griezman, joey barton and neuer will be signed today so they can take on chelsea?


29 Jan 2017 20:45:42
Im assuming you are signing Joey barton so he can stand on the sideline and take on any of the Chelsea support staff who give him cheek?


29 Jan 2017 03:46:47
Ed002 or Ed01,
Very long time reader, but don't really post? Thanks for your time and effort guys over the years. Anyhow would like to get your opinions, views on one or two things please.
Ed002, you say the owners have been throwing money at winning the title? But the summer just gone as fans we only see the club making a profit on sales, and incoming players? And I know you say there's agent fees and so on? but that happened the year before with sterling and the year before with Suarez, now I get there are fees involed but it's not like they are spending 40m and no player sales each summer.
Now as fans we can see weakness in the team from the centre halfs to the midfield needing a holding player to push Henderson on a bit, and if Adam is going to play furthest of 3 midfielders, even another modric type player looks needed to add to that, plus that's without another wide player, forward.

Now if I can see these problems and most of the fans can! Surely the management, board can at Liverpool, its like over the last few weeks teams only have to pack the middle to stop us playing! as the fullbacks are poor at hugging the line or taking the other fullback on (clyne) is very poor on delivery and commiting there fullback, and that's without mentioning how poor we are at set pieces. Also we have this problem of very slow one touch side passing at the minute without the ball going forward, now I know patenice is required but you still have to move it forward at pace because it just makes it easy for the defending team to keep there shape.

Now my final point is on giving young players and youth players game time? Now I am all for that if they are good enough, but I think a few should be sent on loan more rather than playing a few cup games, look at the situation now that we are out both cups! We won't see them kids now till next season more than likely? So to me playing week in, week out in a lower league makes sense.

This is for edd01 which brings me onto emre can, a poster made a point the other week saying he didn't rate him, and your reply was that fans have no patience now and that given time he will come good! Now I don't rate him myself and never will and can't see what he brings to the team at all? Now it's all very good and well saying have patience give it a year or two and he'll come good but it the mean time your losing your best players because there getting fed up waiting for these players to develop?

Thanks eds, would like to hear your views on my comments above, hope you don't give me grieve as I am just looking for input.
Thanks again
Peter

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{Ed001's Note - I never said he will develop into a great player or anything that you are implying. My point was that he is going through a bad patch and deserves support as it takes time to gain consistency. Can has plenty of good points, he is big and strong and can change a game by breaking from midfield with the ball at his feet. There is a player there that could be developed in time.
He has plenty of things he needs to work on. Notably his concentration and positioning, which look to be connected to me. His heading is atrocious. Also the timing of his runs without the ball is not there yet and he lacks the intelligence to do anything if he is there too early. Instead he just adds another static body into the mix in the front line. As soon as the ball is not delivered to his run he should be looking to drift out to one of the flanks or drop deep again, anything to give the defence something to think about rather than standing there waiting.
I am told Can works hard in training and all his weaknesses are ones that coaches can work on, so there is a lot of hope he can become a useful player for us, given time. He needs to make fhese mistakes to learn from, as you only really learn during the bad patches.

By the way, you will really need to make separate posts for each editor if you want their opinion, as only one editor deals with a post.}

29 Jan 2017 12:03:33
Great evaluation on Can, Ed. My sentiments exactly. However, patience is no longer a virtue with English football as a whole, not just with some of our own fanbase. His deliberate scapegoating recently is disgraceful, as if him being dropped or sold would suddenly make us stop making mistakes in defence or make Studge or Origi or Klavan play better.

Can has great attributes and we have seen some of what his strong points as you describe, are this season as he can definitely score goals and make assists. he was brilliant at OT nullifying Pogba and created a good chance for Wij to score. He needs to just learn and develop and put it all together cos there is a very good player in him.


29 Jan 2017 03:26:52
My take on liverpool atm.

Bad points;
1, how is this the same team that looked unstoppable in the first half of the season. We were playing so well we were classed as title contenders.

2. I have watched our forwards a lot over this period and my point of view is sturridge does not offer enough movement for tge way we want to play. Origi you could say is a work in progress but none of them have been doing a good enough job, how many times have we had the ball in the opponents last 3rd and both strikers ate just staric on the edge of the area.

3. Thefans in general but i think this is a small percentage but the way some of them have acted is beyond didgusting. We are supposed to be a family. I garuntee you no one will be hurting more than them players stop the negativity and SUPPORT tge pkayers as we and past generations should and could.

Good point;

1. we were thart good in the first half of the season, we must be able to replucate them sort of performances. let's get behind the team and show them that we are in this together.

2. Klopp if you listen to the media you maybe guilty of thinking he has no clue. Just liok were we were when he took over i know it may feel like we are back at that stage but every team goes througb a bad patch but if this run hapoened two years ago how many of you would be confident we can turn it around i know i am.

3. Youth, so many people have demanded youth be given a chance and klopp has done that. Skme of yhem might not of performed the way you expect, but look at it like this an apprentice mechanic does not look at hez first engine and instantly know what to do, it takes time and experience. Some will be excellent some will be good and some will be average either way we should encorage them.

There is plenty more but it feels like an esay tak care redmen YNWA.

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29 Jan 2017 04:21:31
My take:
Teams are allowing us space on the wing because we have Clyne and Milner/ Moreno out there.
Clyne can't cross a ball. He comes from the Djibril Cisse school of precision football i. e. Close your eyes and smash it as hard as possible. Very easy to defend
Milner is more skilful than Clyne but is too slow and has to come on to his right foot thereby turning into trouble.
Moreno is just an awful footballer who should be playing in the Kazak Sunday league.
So teams just pack the middle of the pitch basically sandwiching all our decent players and denying them space.
When Mane comes back, the threat on the right changes from Clyne - headless, to Mane - quality. Therefore teams either give Mane space or Firmino/ Coutinho space.


{Ed001's Note - why do we keep hearing in the media that Clyne is a great right back? Do they actually watch games? He is a serious weak link in the team and we really need TAA to step up as Randall offers nothing at the moment and seems to be making zero progress. In fact he seems to be regressing.}

29 Jan 2017 06:10:53
Spot on ron, which is why we needed to play ojo yesterday rather than condence play through the middle. He might not be in the best of form but it would have been light years ahead of randall on the right.

TAA is already ahead of clyne for me ed, struggles just as much as clyne defensively but he is already streets ahead of him offensively despite his tender years. Some of his crosses in the southampton game were spot on but our floundering strikers could not capitalise. I was surprised randall played ahead of him despite playing midweek, he is young and could have coped i think.


{Ed001's Note - Klopp was just being careful with TAA. Though I disagree on Ojo, it is Wilson that should have got a shot - on the left where we particularly lack width. Moreno would be much better if he was overlapping a winger, rather than being the sole provider of width. Then he would be forced to wait, rather than just run forward brainlessly the moment we got the ball.}

29 Jan 2017 09:01:43
Moreno isn't disciplined enough to keep the width. Gets goal hungry and tries to play as old fashioned inside left. Too many times against wolves when the cross was too deep or there was a clearance and we needed someone hanging out wide, he was in the box! Headless!
We need a 20 goal a season striker! Too often this season we have dominated possession and territory but we haven't had the cutting edge in the penalty box.


{Ed001's Note - that is why he needs a winger ahead of him, so he doesn't have to provide the width and can be more disciplined.}

29 Jan 2017 09:09:30
Ha ha ha people actually have positives from one win in 8 games. Give me a break the whole thing is unravelling in front if us. Stevie Wonder could see this passing through the middle is not working, yet we have not changed. Pass, Pass, Pass, Pass, lose the ball, get caught on the break (panic in defence) and repeat. The season that promised so much is over because our manager wouldn't or couldn't change things.


29 Jan 2017 11:10:33
Dan i understand your turmoil, we are all suffering atm including the players and the manager. I can't say that we will suddenly turn it around but pulling our hair out and getting into a tizz over it only puts your blood pressure up. I can say that they will work hard to turn it around, the football we played before the turn of the yr was the best in the league if not europe, i refuse to believe we won't rediscover some of that swagger.


29 Jan 2017 12:16:54
Danray, have you become part of the doom and gloom brigade, all of a sudden? "The season is over". Says who? You? Calm down bro. You say Klopp couldn`t change things. Where have you been? Klopp has tried diff. formations, tactics, personnel, the whole lot YET some of the players (Origi, Studge, Klava etc) have all failed him as they have not stepped up to the challenge. Not saying he shouldn`t get somme of the blame BUT players have to take their own brunt of the blame too. Studge in particular, has shown me nothing to suggest he`s worth a paycheck at LFC. Many were saying he should be starting ahead of Firmino at the start of the season. We now know why he will NEVER start ahead of him. Mane left ad many on here wwere confident that Origi and Studge could fill in. They have disappointed and betrayed Klopp`s faith in them. Still Klopp gave them chances and Studge especially, provides no movement, doesn`t press and fluffs the chances he does get. Is that Klopp`s fault as well?

As for TAA vs Clyne, it`s no longer a competition. TAA is better than him in every dept but is too young to be playing three games a week as an 18 yr old. We just need to show more belief and bravery by making forward runs and let our attackers take on players. After all, it is this same team that has amassed the most points tally in LFC PL history at this stage so this bad patch should not define them. Keep the faith, lads!


29 Jan 2017 12:47:01
I was on board until yesterday's shambles Noah, there is only so much you can take 1 win in 8 is not good enough no matter what competition it is in. Maybe Klopp picked the team yesterday because he wants to concentrate on a top 4 place. I don't know if that is the case only Klopp knows that. I agree with you that the player's have to take some of the blame, they simply are not good enough. I also don't take to this over whelming believe that Mane is the saviour. If the player's can't step up when he is not playing the future doesn't look good going forward.


30 Jan 2017 16:44:37
I respect your opinion, Dan and you`re right, Mane is not the savior even tho, he will greatly help us in our quest for success.


30 Jan 2017 17:52:09
I've said before, we need to be glad that we have a first 11 that is capable of challenging for the title. This is real progress and down to Klopp. He and we are now finding out what's behind that first 11, and it needs either strengthening or developing. Some players will be moved on, some will be brought through. This is going to take time and fortitude.


29 Jan 2017 01:36:57
The past few games have been somewhat hard to watch from a fans point of view because of the end result. That said we have to as fans take in to account what we have watched and what we have been asked to play against. We have suffered results that we don't like, now, we could sit there and deny such results happened as per moron mourinho did in the Efl semi, but our manager has more dignity than that. We have lost games, we have played slowly and predictably, we have dropped points. We have also had a tough run of games, we have had injuries, we have had absentees. These are all poor excuses I guess if you are a fan from another team looking in, but we don't have Utd, Chelsea, arsenal and city money for two squads. We are Liverpool, we try to play on the style of our manager, with an honesty, a hard working ethic, with a realism that we are not the finished article, with a frank sense of not ever being able to buy the title (even though we could in the 80's) . We are a work in progress, a work in progress that was to achieve top 4 this year, a target that is still achievable despite being valued lower in squad price. Keep the faith and enjoy the ride fellow reds, the Chelsea game is not a defining moment, our aim is top 4 and so far we are on track. Well done klopp and well done the squad, however, the squad needs improving and klopp needs to adapt to the Orem life, but we are doing ok boys and girls so be happy 😊

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{Ed002's Note - The target is to win the Premier League - there is no "work in progress", there is no transition.}

29 Jan 2017 01:49:27
The target was top 4 this year, the squad was never good enough to win Ed 02. Klopp is moving towards that goal, I know you have reservations about the manager which is fair enough especially after recent results where he has persisted with youth over results. I do feel he will get it right though, I also feel he never expected to win the league this year, this is a project, and before you mock us saying this year is out year etc. Livepool has been mid managed since party, we are not in the elite of finances, we are still royalty though in terms of results. Give klopp
A couple of years and give these young kids time, let klopp bring a few more players in such as name and Maria. We could then just challenge for the title, as long as the others don't just blow us out of the water financially and make premier league another Barcelona Madrid affair!


{Ed002's Note - No, the owners have had the clear target of winning the league and they have thrown vast amounts of money at the team to do it. And that is why Klopp arrived at the club. Thiese repeated pleading to give Klopp a few more years and the players much more time are really and truly hopeless. If Klopp isn't up to the job then they need to look to find someone who is.}

29 Jan 2017 02:03:40
So you want klopp out then? For me that is not the answer. He is not a bad manager, I am sure he will get results at Liverpool, it just doesn't happen overnight. Conte has a great squad with experience, mourinho is at Utd and bought in winners, pocc has been great at Tottenham, wemger is consistent. For klopp to break those clubs strangle hold will take more than one and a half seasons, let's not fall into the sky trap of accusing good managers of not being capable after a short period ed 02. Let the guy have 4-5 years and then judge, after all we as Liverpool fans would not feel robbed, he deserves a chance, no more manager sackings every year!


29 Jan 2017 06:27:40
Crikey if I had a quid for every time I heard an LFC fan say give the manager time, Rome wasn't built in a day or we're in transition I'd be a millionaire.
It's been like this since the 90's, always looking for players just under the radar who will maybe work out or maybe wont, we've spent cash upon cash and had the money to compete but its been frittered away on players not up to the job of winning the league.
We've had everything from the comedic stint of the former owners to Roy Hodgson and it seems somewhere we just don't tick along correctly, like a classic car not running on all cylinders, now and then we rear our heads and show that we are still capable but ultimately when it comes to accelerating past everyone we just can't quite do it.
I know FSG have tried to right a few wrongs and get us back on track but they must be pulling their hair out sometimes, surely they didn't expect the premier league to be such a moneypit (EDS? )
My own personal expectation is that I want us to try and win the league every year, I think the reality is that we are not perceived by the top echelon of players to be one of the elite clubs anymore so therefore struggle to attract who we really need to win things and stay among the top clubs.
We'll be out of this bad run soon enough but we must try and kick on for that top four spot as it could make all the difference to our summer transfer targets, the worry is we just don't show any signs of getting back to early season form and the manager looks a bit lost with it all to me.


29 Jan 2017 09:21:28
Still in with a chance with 5 games to go every season is all I want


29 Jan 2017 11:44:19
In my opinion Liverpool have not thrown vast amounts of money at trying to win the league. When you compare what Chelsea or City have spent on previous crusades to win that elusive first premier league trophy then Liverpools is a drop in the ocean. Maybe Fsg have used what they can afford but it certainly doesn't stand up to the owners of the 2 other clubs mentioned.


{Ed002's Note - Chelsea's main spending came years ago. The Liverpool owners have provided a lot of money to the various managers - like it or not.}

29 Jan 2017 11:44:19
In my opinion Liverpool have not thrown vast amounts of money at trying to win the league. When you compare what Chelsea or City have spent on previous crusades to win that elusive first premier league trophy then Liverpools is a drop in the ocean. Maybe Fsg have used what they can afford but it certainly doesn't stand up to the owners of the 2 other clubs mentioned.


29 Jan 2017 12:32:42
I agree ed002, right before they won their first premier league back in 05? Which is my point. Chelsea spent in the previous 2 seasons to that circa £200+ million, taking into consideration this was 12 years ago. Like i have said to suggest Fsg have thrown money at winning the league is clearly wrong compared to other teams in a similar situation of not having won the premier league.


{Ed002's Note - FSG has spent a great deal of money on players - what they have screwed up with is not having a manager good enough to make anything happen. They rarely make the top four nowadays - and have spent a lot more than some of those who do.}

29 Jan 2017 12:39:28
Ed02 is right that the owners want the PL as soon as possible and that cannot be denied. The whole "in transition" thing is nonsense and just an excuse so that mindset needs to be discarded. However, there`s a diff between what you want and what you can actually get. Right now, we can see that this squad is definitely good enough for top 4 this season BUT the title is a stretch too far as current results show so that is the reality. Our rivals who have been in the CL for years, already have big squads, assembled over time they are not stretched to the bare bones during Jan like us is hence, they are able to cope as there is no CL in Jan.

On the contrary over the years, we have spent loads of cash amassing average players ended up with a big squad mainly made up of well, average players. Klopp has coming in trimmed it significantly but since we had no Europe, throwing money at very good players to get a big squad is stupid as we would be playing one game a week potentially.

This is why we are struggling squad-wise, cos our squad has been unbalanced and mismanaged over time. We still have a chance at having a successful season and all is definitely not lost cos everything is tight at the top and things can change quickly with a run of 3/ 4 straight wins. Here`s to hoping we get top 4 is season (or better? ) and then we can build a squad that can cope on all fronts next season.


29 Jan 2017 12:41:36
I agree with that statement ed002


30 Jan 2017 17:59:34
Klopp has had an immediate impact; we have been challenging for the title, and when we bed in our returning 1st choice players I'm confident we'll return to form.
Beyond that we need to develop the squad. This will take time, period. We seem to bring more things right now than wrong; let me list several of Klopp's decisions that many on this forum disagreed with that have worked well:
Buying Mane
Playing Lallana centre mid
Playing Hendo at the base of our midfield
Milner at Left back
What has gone before is history. The costs in terms of transfers etc are sunk.
Also this utter tosh about Klopp having had 3 windows: the winter window, of which we have had two, is hard to do good business in. The one summer window we have had he brought in Mane and Matip, possibly 2 of the first names on the team sheet, and forged a 1st 11 capable of a title challenge.


29 Jan 2017 00:33:08
Podcast update from Ed002 on the outgoing Manchester City players.


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29 Jan 2017 00:57:41
Nothing to do with Liverpool. However, I for one certainly appreciate all you do ed2.


{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}

28 Jan 2017 23:18:32
Thanks to all those who agreed with my opinion. Sorry for it being so long and for the poor spelling and grammar. Rushed.

Anyway, hopefully Mane will play some part on Tuesday.
Message to Jurgen - if you're reading! - Move the ball quicker, get to the by-line and
TURN THEIR DEFENDERS.

Great site and informative from the Ed's - particularly Ed1&2. Also to everyone who posts - great contributions but remember every player on our team gives their best. We have a team. Not individuals like some. That's all you can ask for.
It's a blip. We'll be back on Tuesday praising them. Wait and see.


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29 Jan 2017 00:25:05
Spot on, Paddy. That is the secret to unlocking parked buses. Move the ball quick, make forward runs behind the defence to make them commit. We are doing none of these and it has nothing to do with Mane. it is down to a lack of courage and belief form our players to take the risks and make those runs. On to Chelsea.


29 Jan 2017 02:37:35
Agreed but also it takes more than one runner. at he moment the runner is being tracked but we don't have others making use of the space or pulling defenders the other way or running in for the one-touch. We aren't fluid and it seems as if our front 5's movement isn't connected at all.

One of our best scoring chances the other night was Firmino dropping to receive, but at the same time Hendo making the run in behind out wide. The fullback tracked Firmino and Hendo was suddenly in behind with a clever flick pass. He delivered a killer cross to Sturridge who had made the run into the box (just put it over the bar) .

Last night we had one runner at a time and no-one trying to capitalise on the Defence being asked the question and running into the resulting space.


29 Jan 2017 12:41:17
Spot on, Zim. Great observation. I noticed that as well, in the Saints game.


 
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